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The News and Observer in Raleigh. Andrew, how are you today, sir?
Speaker 2: All?
Speaker 3: I'm doing all right good. I'm tired. I made it
to the fourteenth inning of the World Series game last
night and then I had to go to bed.
Speaker 1: Surely you are not a Toronto Blue Jayson fan.
Speaker 3: Oh no, No, can't root for a Canadian team.
Speaker 1: Okay? Are you a Dodger fan?
Speaker 3: No, I'm a baseball fan, though.
Speaker 1: I'll say, if you watched fourteen innings of two teams,
it was exciting. Yeah, no, it sounds like it was.
I actually grew up a Dodger fan in New York,
just mainly because my whole mom's side of the family
were Brooklyn Dodger fans from way back in the day.
But yeah, they were always Los Angeles Dodgers to me,
which stunk because I could never see the games unless
they played the Mets or otherwise I'd have to read
about it like two days later in the paper when
they published the scores.
Speaker 3: You know, right, of course. Yeah, grown up in North Carolina,
we're all Braves fans. You know. That was the Andrew
Jones Chicker Jones, Maddox, Glavint and Smolts era. It was
a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I remember it alrighty. So let's chat about
some of your work over the last few days. You
had a piece that was born from a Twitter discussion.
I think because I saw the Twitter discussion and I
think I'm being I think I'm being charitable calling it
a discussion from where it devolved into not between you,
but I think I may have actually contributed somewhat to that.
But you say that on these maps that the legislature
passed last week, that you don't think that the precedent,
and we've talked about this redistricting exercise, you don't think
the precedent was a good one. But you say the
map is not a quote unquote extreme gerrymander as was
advanced by Democrats and particularly this left wing organization Carolina Forward.
And I've encountered this argument over the last gosh what
fifteen years since the GOP won control and started drawing maps.
Which is, North Carolina is a fifty to fifty state,
so it should have fifty percent basically of the congressional
seats apportion to it. But you say that's the long
way to think about representation.
Speaker 3: How so right exactly, And we've talked about this before.
You know, I don't think it was a great idea
to go back and redraw congressional districts in the middle
of the decade. It might come back to bite Republicans
down the line. But I also am just so frustrated
hearing again and again from Democrats that you know, this
is an extreme, extreme gerrymander. You know, there was one
post from Carolina four the most extreme gerrymander in North
Carolina history. And you know, I just responded with one
of the maps from the nineties early two thousands. It
was just a ridiculous shaped districts that were carved to
give democrats an advantage. So the point I'm trying to
make is a gerrymander is a specific term that has
a meaning, and that meaning is not just a map
that democrats don't like. You know, if you wantize these maps,
then let's talk about how a district carves up distinct
communities and splits them apart. I mean, that is an
intellectually honest discussion that we can have. But just saying
because not enough Democrats are elected, that in and of
itself does not make a gerrymander.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you're drawing based on geography and you know,
communities of interest and county lines the rules. Basically, when
you're following that kind of blueprint, the Democrats are at
a geographically structural disadvantage because they cluster in a few urban.
Speaker 3: Areas, right exactly, So you know, Charlotte or Raleigh overwhelmingly Democrat,
but all in a very compact area. So yeah, they
get a district and it's probably an eighty twenty Democrat district,
and that's fine, but that leaves the whole rest of
the state that gets carved up, and so it's naturally
going to lean more Republican.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you say at the end of this piece, this
is at long leave, politics in a state that elects
people from place is lines that respect real places are
the standard. I think that's exactly right. And it has
been one of the frustrations over the last decade as
all of the litigation and you know, then there's the oh,
these are racist districts, and it's like, well, no, when
you're drawing based on partisan affiliation, if you draw heavy
Democrat district, chances are it's going to have a lot
of African American voters in it, simply because African American
voters are registered ninety percent plus for Democrats, and so
when carving up by party affiliation, it could look very
much like you're using race when you're not. And the
legislator said they did not, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's really any legal challenge
that has any chance of surviving here. So I probably
won't even follow it all that closely. I just don't
see it happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, just because there isn't a solid legal challenge,
does it mean there won't be any. In fact, there
already is. So this is where we are, right all right,
So real quick, there's not a lot of info on this,
but I saw this the other day too, that there's
a bunch of ads being pushed digital ads being pushed
out against Senate President pro Tem Phil Berger. He has
a primary challenge from the Rockingham County Sheriff Sam Page.
This was rumored to be the case also like two
years ago, and then Paige did not jump in, but
he did this time. And there's a whole bunch of
money now being pumped into this district. You took a
look to try to find who North Carolina Families for
Prosperity is and no, luck.
Speaker 3: Not exactly. I've got a couple hunches, but yeah, I
keep really close tabs on who's spending money on digital advertising,
and when I saw this name pop up, North Carolina
Families for Prosperity, I wanted to figure out who it was.
I can confirm it is not affiliated at all with
Americans for Prosperity, which it seems pretty clear that this
group is trying to make it sound like they're a
conservative group in that vein, but based on the messaging,
it really seems like it's a democratic group that is
trying to make itself look conservative and try to attack
Philberger here.
Speaker 1: So it's like it doesn't quite know the language of
the right. It's like a it's like a third grader
trying to use the cuss word that they heard their
older sibling use, but doesn't quite know how to say
the cuss word correctly exactly.
Speaker 3: And you know, my first thought when I saw that
the spending was, oh, maybe it's a Sam Page as
a group helping him out, but that does not seem
to be the case.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Well, if anybody knows anything about him, reach out
to Andrew dunnet long Leave Politics, because I'm sure you
would want to know. And finally, op ed over at
the Charlotte Observer, the No King's protests are a win
for conservatism. Explain yourself, Andrew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I'm sure you have talked on your show
about the No King's rallies around North Carolina. Over well,
I guess it's been almost two weeks now, and my
editor over at the Observer asked me to what my
take on it all was and to put it simply,
you know, if they mean what they say, and you know,
everyone out there was waving flags and quoting the founding fathers,
and if they really mean that, then I think that's
a great thing. It means that maybe normal people are
actually going to retake the left away from the far
left crazies and actually believe in patriotism again, which I
would be all for. I'm a little skeptical because, yeah,
not so much in North Carolina. Around the country, you
had plenty of folks who were passing out Communist manifestos
and stuff like that. So my guess is that probably
just your same old far left groups trying to dress
up as patriots. But you know, I'm trying to give
them the benefit of the doubt here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do say. The more cynical view is that
No Kings protests were simply interest groups united against President
Donald Trump, and that is Maybe it is cynical, but
that's my view on it. I don't I think it's
costplaying as you know, patriots, particularly when you see the
Gallop polling on this, you know, and people are asked
by are they proud to be American? And Republicans are
around ninety two percent, Independents are at around fifty three percent,
and Democrats are down around thirty six percent. So I mean,
that's pretty disturbing if two thirds of Democrats aren't even
proud to be American. So I don't know why you
would be waving American flags if you're not proud to
be American. But a lot of that is probably also
connected to Donald Trump. But that decline has been going
on for quite a while.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, and it's extremely disturbing, but I honestly think
it would be a much better thing for our country,
even if it makes it harder for Republicans to win,
if we had an opposition party that loved America and
shared some of our fundamental ideals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if they would apply this standard, which I
know that maybe asking a bit much to apply a
consistent standard in politics generally, but specifically with a lot
of these leftists, you know, to apply a consistent standard
that if you don't want any kings, then you can't
allow any kings, and that means if they are of
your own political persuasion as well. And I thought you
were completely right to bring up former Governor Roy Cooper
during the COVID nineteen experience, that everybody is just sort
of memory hold for some reason. And you know, the
behavior that he engaged in had people sounding a whole
lot like No King's protesters, But back then they were
on the right. So do you think that people will
apply a consistent standard here, No.
Speaker 3: Of course not. You know, I still call him King
Cooper around the house and people. I don't know how
people have forgotten that we had more than two years
of emergency powers and you know, all sorts of edicts
from on high. I mean, that's a king right there.
Speaker 1: You say, you don't know why people forgot? Do you
have any guesses?
Speaker 3: I mean I have to go back to the cynical view.
I mean people, especially people who are now waving the
flag and saying no Kings. I mean that was their guy,
that was on their side. So it's just partisan.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think also maybe terror fear high rates of
neuroticism that is prevalent mainly on the political left. You know,
this this bent towards catastrophism, you know, I think there
was a lot of that, and you know, people get
you know, when you get sent home and your business
closed by the government, and I think that it lends
support to the idea that we are all in imminent
you know, life threatening danger, and so if you are
already prone to neuroticism, you probably saw that as proof
that your neuroses were justified. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's right. And there was a time, you know,
especially at the very beginning when they're of COVID, that
there were so many unanswered questions, and I think everybody
kind of bought into what was it, two weeks to
slow the curve?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, whatever, But.
Speaker 3: Then two weeks turned into eight and eighty eight days.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, give or take all. Right. Andrew Dune
you can read his work at long Leaf Politics. That's
long leafpol dot com. Uh. He's also a contributing uh
what is it a contribute columnist there, you though, contributing
columnists at Charlotte Observe Andrew. Always a pleasure, Thank you, sir,
Thank you, Take care. All right, that's a Andrew Dunn. Say, Andrew,
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this piece that Andrew wrote on the No Kings, it's
at the Charlotte Observer. And by the way, if you
follow him on Twitter, he gifted access to this column
so you can read it there. He says, the overwhelming
tenor in North Carolina at these No Kings protests was
sober and patriotic, and I will engage it that way. So,
like he said there, he tried to give him the
benefit of the doubt. And you know, they're talking about
things that we've talked about. I've talked about for years,
which was this concept of the imperial presidency in twenty fifteen.
This is why during the primary I was a supporter
of Rand Paul because when he was running for president,
he was the only candidate that was talking about reigning
in the power of the chief executive. And he and
his father basically are the only candidates that ever talk
about that, because I believe the executive branch has grown
far too powerful. And now that there's somebody in there
that the left hates, now all of a sudden they're like, oh,
you know what, this isn't so great. We don't want
a king, we don't want the imperial presidency. But as
Andrew points out in his Peace, it did not appear overnight.
It wasn't invented by the Orange Hitler. He didn't say that.
I say that, No, it grew in fits and arts
across a century, right, and so it's going to take
it's going to take some effort and time to unwind that.
But it's also going to take a unified electorate and
a unified legislature to claw back those powers and give
them back to the legislative branch, but more importantly to
the people and to the states. He says, if No
Kings just becomes shorthand for no Trump, then we'll have
learned nothing. And I think that's what actually No Kings was.
It doesn't I don't think it will become no Trump.
I think that's exactly what it was. It's what it
was from the beginning. It's just a brand, you know,
it's marketing. But if it were too mature into some
renewed respect for process and restraint, then he says, something
important will have shifted. If the No King's crowd is
serious about putting the Constitution back in the driver's seat,
that's an overdue course correction, and I, along with Andrew,
I would welcome that. But again, when I look at
the polling and Gallup tells me that every time Trump
is in office, Democrats are not proud of America by
a two to one margin, whereas Republicans consistently are always
above eighty five percent. Going back to two thousand and one,
they've been above that. So like, so you can cosplay
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none of the no kings folks complained when Joe Biden
decided to just not enforce our immigration laws, laws made
by our elected officials. Indeed, our representatives made those laws.
That sounds a lot like something a king would do,
just ignore laws that he doesn't like. Now they're all
bent out of shape when the next president enforces those laws.
So in regards to immigration, who's acting more like a king?
Trump or Biden.
Speaker 1: Very good point, Mitch, fantastic point, and then got a
message from John with a screenshot of a piece that
was written by Dean Oberad Ah. Wow, I think that
is how he pronounces that it was a piece that
he had published at CNN dot com back on June eighth,
twenty twelve, headline, liberals want Obama to be a king,
not a president. And by the way, Dean obadallah he is.
He's of the left, he says, some liberals want a
ruler who would be unrestrained by Congress. Indeed, he had
a phone and a pend famously, right did Obama a
phone and a pen? And he would use them. That's
why I have him. That's my Obama impression. It's a
little rusty, you know, having had to bust it out
frequently over the last twelve years now, but there was
a time when it was quite mediocre. Yes, so yeah,
it's a fair point. When you have the Biden administration
that refuses to enforce law and essentially writes new law
without even actually writing it. They just reinterpret it into
a way that they want for their outcomes to be achieved.
And in this case, I'm thinking specifically of the blanket
asylum status that they granted and parole status that they
granted to you know, millions of people. They were supposed
to have gone through individual case assessments and they did not.
They were just given blanket approvals. That's against the law,
but that is what the Biden administration did, so, which
is a more king like activity, you know. All right,
So yesterday I mentioned the weekly updates that the Michael
Wattley campaign. Michael Wattley the former Republican State Party chairman
and then he went on to lead the Republican National Committee,
the RNC, and now he's running for US Senate against
Roy Well. He's in the GOP primary. He's got Don
Brown also in that primary, and I think there's a
third candidate on the Republican side. I'm not aware if
Roy Cooper really has any opponents at all. If he does,
it's some person that nobody's heard of. So Cooper is
expected to just coast and that's why he's not really
doing any campaign events. And he's recycling those old photos,
as we discussed yesterday with ap Dylon in case you
didn't catch that, Roy Cooper has been caught by National
Review recycling old photos as if to give the impression
that he is actually out campaigning around the state now.
But these photos are from like over a year ago,
so he's and as we talked about yesterday, he is
probably in the windowless basement making phone calls to donors,
because that's the Chuck Schumer playbook. That's what he told
Jeff Jackson, the former member of Congress who wanted to
run for the seat that was left open by Richard Burr.
But he wanted to do one hundred county tour and
Chuck Schumer told him, no, don't do that. We're going
to stick you in a windowless basement and have you
call and raise money. And Jackson said he didn't want
to do that, and so he dropped out of that race.
If he had ever actually even filed to run for it.
So he said he wasn't going to run for it.
He's now the attorney general. And that's what led to
cal cunning him entering the race, and then you know
he lost. Hm, oh no, I take that back, Yeah, yeah,
that was yeah, that was the cal Cunningham election anyway,
And that's how Ted budde no, Ted Bud won. He
beat Cherry Beasley, so this would have been six years ago.
Oh my gosh, I'm getting old. That's how long ago
that was. Holy smokes. I guess it was. Okay, so yeah,
so he yeah, cal Cunningham lost against Tillis. I guess
it was, so all right, So Michael Wattley running for
this nomination now, and yeah, and I think last week
they started on this campaign on Twitter and on social
media where they were doing a thing called mug Shot Monday,
where they would highlight some of the you know, the
worst offenders that are repeat repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,
repeat repeat. I mean, I think we need a seventy
strike law. I mean, I know Democrats don't want to
do like a three strike law, but surely we can
come up with a number like maybe fifty. If you
get arrested fifty times, then it's like that's it now,
it's you get like double this the sentencing or something
like that. Maybe that's who they highlighted today, a guy
with seventy priors or sorry, yesterday was mugshot Monday. Seventy
prior arrests. This guy had, yes, I can tell you
who he is. Kevin Williams arrested over seventy times. For assault, robbery,
indecent exposure, breaking into cars. He was repeatedly released from
jail under Roy Cooper's North Carolina Courts Commission appointee Lauren Freeman.
She is the DA in Wake County and Cooper apparently
appointed her to the North Carolina Courts Commission. She's a Democrat,
and so this was in her jurisdiction. So, yeah, this guy,
he's got mugshots. I mean, I can pull up all
of the I mean it's possession of drug paraphernalia, second
degree trespassing, common law robbery, second degree trespassing. I mean,
just his rap sheet goes back years, seventy arrests, right,
I don't I think this is restorative justice. If this
is restorative justice, it's definitely not working. The only thing
it does, apparently is restore the criminals to the streets.
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Chris in Charlotte on the text line says, face it,
the No King's crowd are the same knee jerk folks
as the Monday morons or the moral Monday Ers. Yeah,
they're just less likely to be following a moron wearing
a collar. Well, I mean, if somebody with a collar
were to get up and speak, I'm sure they would
like the left is so acutely aware of their detachment
from religion and how that plays to the normies. And
so anybody that stands up that claims to be of
clerical background, you know, they will elevate. That person's that's
Reverend Barber, you know, William Barber, leader of the Moral
Monday and all that. That's why they elevate, they gravitate
because it's like, oh, yes, he is our he's our representative. Like, look,
we love Jesus too, you know, we're we're good Christians.
You don't have a monopoly on on faith. Right wingers,
you loathe some deplorables. We are christ like, right, So look,
the right has their own, you know, their own avatars,
just for different things as well. But yeah, that's who
the that's who the no no King's crowd. And by
the way, if you doubt me on this, go look
up Zoron Mamdani as I just saw a song somebody
cut Mamdani the Kami. I love it. But they put
out some ridiculous rabbis for Zoron and this these four okay,
hang on, three female rabbis and a dude dressed as
a woman who seems he seemed on the spectrum. Let
me just say it that way, and he's he's trans
and has makeup that looks like it was applied by
a four year old, and it's just it's unsettling anyway,
these four people, Hello rabbi, Hello rabbi, Hello rabbi, Hello rabbi,
and these these four rabbis, and like where for zorim?
I'm donnie, you know that's what I mean, Like they
will elevate clergy on the left like this. Meanwhile, you know,
clamoring about separation of church and state and all that. Sorry,
So that was Chris on the text line. Uh, Steve said, hey,
we can't forget when Biden ignored the Supreme Court about
student loans as well. Yep, he did that. Remember also
the the rent forgiveness. Remember that during COVID got sued
over that had to stop doing that, that he was
going to ignore the US Supreme Court on that as well.
Very king like behavior. Indeed, Doug says Pete Trump should
keep up with the cost of securing the border and
the deportations and then send a bill to the Democrat
National Committee that would wipe them out financially. Yeah, I
mean it would make for a good pr move. Bill
wants to know why would New Yorkers vote for a communist?
Is the end near? Well, the end of New York
City might be near. This is like New York has
a history of doing this, right. It's why they've got
what I forget what it's called. It's like the Finance
Commission or something like that. They had to, like the
federal government had to bail out New York in like
the seventies because they had bankrupted the city. So they
just they do this. And honestly, I think it's because
when you put man and women, but when you put humans,
you pack them into a city. I think it's very
easy for people to lose connection to God and you
start thinking in terms of materialism and and just you
become a very human kind of focused person. Right, Like
all of my uh, all of my needs are being
met by humans, and I just interact at a very
human level. This is why it's important. You know, the
kids say, go out and touch grass, right, getting out
into nature, go and see you know, the sweeping vistas,
Go to the mountains, go to the beach, whatever, and
kind of reset, recharge. It puts you back in touch
with something bigger than yourself and bigger than just people
you know and anyway, so I think that that there
is something to that. You get a lot of people
packed into a city and they just start losing touch
with what I would submit is reality. And there's also
the crime. When you pack that many people, you get
a lot of crime, which is as I was going
over before the break Michael Wattley's campaign with their mugshot
Mondays and as I expected, Roy Cooper getting a lot
of coverage now from outside the state of North Carolina
because he is running for US Senate in a pivotal
swing state. The Republicans and Democrats both need this Senate seat,
and so now Cooper is being subjected to investigative stories
about his record, about what he has done in a
way that he has never had to grapple with. Yeah, okay,
and in a way he's never had to grapple with because
he has had sort of kid glove treatment in the
North Carolina political press corps his entire career. He is
a career politician. He has been in office like almost
my entire life, and he's pitching himself to voters as
a tough on crime governor who kept thousands of island
criminals behind bars and signed stricter bail laws when he
led North Carolina from twenty seventeen through twenty twenty five.
But a Washington Freebagon review has found that several of
Cooper's judicial appointees granted leniency to violent repeat criminals, some
of whom went on to kill North Carolinians after their
release from jail. And then they list a few. Octavius Wilson,
repeat repeat, repeat offender caught on surveillance footage in November
of twenty two repeatedly punching a twenty nine year old
Charlotte woman who had just got off a city bus.
He then forced her into a porta John against her
will and sexually assaulted her. Smears of blood and a
blood soaked tissue later discovered at the scene of the crime.
One month prior, he had been arrested for missing court
on a separate charge of attempted rape in which he
threatened another Charlotte woman with a pocket knife. Both of
his crimes occurred in the same area of the city.
He admitted to having sex with the woman in the
porta John. He was charged with second degree rape, first
degree kidnapping. A magistrate set the bond to two million dollars,
but that was reduced by Mecklenburg County Judge Tracy Hewitt,
a Cooper appointee who got involved in the case and said, quote,
we're gonna help you out, according to a court hearing,
and took his bond from two million down to fifty
thousand dollars.
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