Speaker 1: Hellllo, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the six hundred and
thirty IF episode of the Geek First podcast on the
Clown Prince of Romulus Trust Now, and I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By Nobody cares about Remis kirkln Patzer.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm the face Hugger, Dylan Muss.
Speaker 4: I'm the ND, Taylor Field the ND.
Speaker 1: Well. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you can imagine what we're
talking about because we've been leading up to this, maybe
for a long time, but it definitely leads for the
past few months because we start our alien retrospective. So
if you end up listening to the non spoils, which
that's what we do here, we'll do a non spoils
portion for about fifteen twenty, give us our likes dislikes
a recommendation, and we'll warn you before we get into spoilers.
But if you listen to that or the spoilers, it's like, hey,
I really like what these guys think about Aliens. Well,
we did everything we did the original four. We did AVP,
we did Prometheus and Covernment Government Covenant, Taylor and Dylan
did Isolation, so we covered a bunch of it. And
if you like the Predaer stuff too. There's Preda retros
up there. So we've this whole type of Gammic on
film as far as the space sci fi Fox now
twenty century era, and here we are to cover the
newest one, directed by the great Fealvarez, who did a
twenty thirteen year old Dead and Don't Breathe twenty sixteen.
So I think there was lots of excitement for this,
and especially I remember when we sat when I sat down,
I remember years ago when Fox got bought by Disney
and I told Taya, which I'm so glad I'm wrong,
because we got praying this. I was like, oh, I
think because we were coming off the Predator and we're
coming off of Covenant, I was like, oh, those are good,
Like I think Disney's gonna not really touch these for
a while. And even then that's still like, what when
was Covenant twenty seventeen? I think we talked about. Yes,
I guess it's still like seven years and the Predator
is that twenty sixteen? Twenty seventeen, does anyone know? Okay,
so yeah, since sixties, but still even sooner than I thought.
But here we are, So I'm gonna let the man
mister Alien Sulf. I would end with him. I'm gonna
start with him, mister taylor Field, what did you think
of Alien Romulus?
Speaker 4: I think the first and second acts were awesome. I
was so into this movie. I was loving it, and
visually this movie is outstanding. Oh my god, It's just
a beautiful, a beautiful set. And I think that the
people on the team that will work on this film
probably had so much freaking fun designing everything. Oh the
energy was probably just so livid. There just this the
culture just livid, livid, the nostalgia just creating everything for
this film.
Speaker 5: I would just love to just be a part of that.
Speaker 4: When we get to the back end of this film,
I felt like it was not working for me, and
I feel like there were some callbacks to specific moments
in specific Alien films that I did not like a lot,
And ultimately I feel like it a part of me
just felt like this just is like a chapter out
of an Evil Dead, like something.
Speaker 5: An Evil Dead.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm not really jiving with this. I feel
like it's not necessarily like.
Speaker 1: Can you define that a bit more chapter of Evil Dead? Like,
what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5: I can't say it without spoilers.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, we'll circle back here.
Speaker 3: We gotta circle back to that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we're starting in spoilers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, though, I think that this has definitely raised the
bar after like Alien Covenant. Uh, so hopefully we get
to keep going and put more alien movies out there.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that it introduced a lot of
really cool things and introduced some things that I.
Speaker 5: Wasn't really like a fan of.
Speaker 4: But I yeah, I'm not sure how fast I'm gonna
be rushing to rewatch this.
Speaker 1: I feel like I still really even with you loving
the first acts, that the first two acts.
Speaker 4: That much, Yeah, because I feel like some of the
stuff we got in the first acts, like the first
and second act, is stuff like that I like in
other alien movies that I could get watching those ones
without having to go through and get to the third
act of this film. And maybe I'm being just too
negative on it, but it's just that really pulled me
out of it, and I really didn't like it.
Speaker 1: So but to reach his own there you go, teach
his own. And also just to uh, I just had it.
I closed the tab, I looked up the definition of
livid just because I just didn't sound completely right when
Day said they were living on set or I'll find
it after I had it. It was like at the
specific one here, but.
Speaker 2: It was I feel like, I'm angry, thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it wasn't coming up. I think
because now my Google did an all search of English
livid definitions. I don't know, but yeah, they were furioucely
angry on set, Taylor sets pissed. Yeah. I do want
behind the scenes because there was a lot of it
that I was trying to see what was set built
and what was cgi. There's some stuff that's obvious, but
this set is like the area is so big that
clearly they didn't build out this whole thing. But I
also we don't get much behind the scenes nowadays, but
I hope we get some of that because there's a
there's a lot of stuff. If it wasn't sets, it
looked real good. You know. So, Dylan, were you Dylan?
Were you livid about this movie?
Speaker 3: I was the opposite of living. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That might be a furiously.
Speaker 3: Happy, angry, furiously happy No for me, Vee. He does it.
He does it again in the way that evil dead
was a homage and not really love letter, but it
just it shows that there's a lot of love for
that original material, but just taking that and modernizing it,
I feel like that is I mean, that's kind of
what I was hoping for and expecting here with Alien,
and I feel like that really is the case. There's
a lot here that falls into like those same Alien
tropes that appear in every Alien movie pretty much, but
I think all of it is very tastefully done. None
of this really feels like nostalgia bait for me. There's
a couple of things that I am curious to break
down because I don't know if I understand. There's one
thing in particular that maybe confuses me a lot, but
maybe I'm overthinking it, so I'm excited to break that down.
But overall, I think this is just a really great movie,
a really great time. I think the acting from like
the two main actors here is just fantastic and like
some of my favorite characters now in this whole series,
the visuals, with one exception, are really really great. So
I don't know, Taylor, you said the visuals are great,
I'm curious if you felt the same way about this
one particular thing that we'll bring up later. But yeah,
I had a really great time with this. I don't
think I had any issues with the third act in particular.
And yeah, I just I love the space aspects of
this movie. I love the world building that like what
this adds to the universe of Alien. I feel like
it is adding a decent amount here a lot to
Chewan and you know what, I think the thing I'm
most happy about is just to have another alien horror movie.
We talked about that going to the retro that the
first one that is a horror movie, and then after
that they kind of become more action movies with like
a a little bit of suspense, are a little bit
of thriller elements here or there. There's certain sequences that
are very scary and horror stuff, but they never really
feel like another horror movie. But this truly does, because
that's of course what is great great at So yeah,
I had a really great time with this movie. But yeah,
there are a couple things that hold it back from
being top notch, so to speak. So I'm yeah excited
to get into those into those details.
Speaker 1: Two things you mentioned there, well one thing you didn't mention,
but It just spawned the thought one. I don't know
if it's this weekend, but this this movie want me
to made me want to fire up some Starfield. Like
some of the scopes and shots Alien Isolation.
Speaker 3: We don want to go to Starfield.
Speaker 1: No, because that idea of docking and unknown ship, that's
what I like in starfields for for Starfield Well, and
there there's even a couple we talked on the review.
There's a couple of missions that I've already done that
are very alien. Yeah, so that's why I like go
with the Starfield's like, oh, there's a ship out there
I could land at. What's in there? You know? Is
that as an AI? Do you ever get to the
AI guy? We'll talk well inside quest and then don't
talk about like certain movies. Next week we will be
doing if there's any news, we'll cover it. But most importantly,
we'll be doing an Alien rankings where we'll rank all
the films. We'll do I yeah, we got I think
we've got enough for top ten characters right between like
eight nine movies.
Speaker 3: We could top five.
Speaker 1: We could find a way honorable mentions and then some
best scenes. So we will do whether it's rankings or
rankings and news. But either way, we'll close off the
retro and the Alien Ramus reviews with some rankings. But
mister Pats or where where are you today?
Speaker 2: Is what's going on?
Speaker 1: Colors going on? I like your colors color the blue
and pink, I.
Speaker 2: Think is what it is?
Speaker 1: Magenta like it.
Speaker 2: We'll circle back to that now. I I had very
very high expectations for this film, and I feel like
most of my expectations were like on the scariness factor,
what this is going to be? Like I kept telling people,
I'm like, I'm expecting to be like terrified in this movie,
and honestly, I fell short on that expectation. It wasn't
as terrifying as I as I really was expecting to be.
But that kind of got tossed out the window. Per
like maybe First twenty misses this film because I'm like,
holy fuck, like they managed to capture the element of
what really, like really what is that first Alien movie?
For me? I think just minor spoiler but like a
lot of a ship tech too is like it looks
this movie feels like it's from the eighties with like
a total remaster on it, like it just it like
eye candy for me, Like I fucking loved I truly
love this movie. I'm just gonna say that right now.
I had such a great time with this. I just
thought they were able to capture, yeah, like all the
space stuff that Dylan was already mentioning. That really was
surprised to me. I think, like the scale of what
this movie was, I thought it was gonna be a
lot more contained. So that was a bit of a surprise,
but honestly a pleasant surprise because we just had even
more world building on. Like we've had what is this,
like the seventh alien movie now not including AVPs, Yes,
so like we've had a lot of movies to like
expand upon this universe, but this movie in particular, I
felt like I got so much more than like pretty
much every other movie of like just seeing different aspects
of how this world kind of works, or just things
beyond just a terrifying ship with an alien like like
that was a bit of a surprise to me, and
honestly it was completely welcomed. It's not a perfect movie
by any means, which, like, of course I wanted my
perfect alien movie, but I think this was a really, really,
really well made movie and yeah, huge Crety to huge Kredy,
Huge Kredy to Feddie. For this one, I I don't know,
I feel like I just kind of want to talk
about certain story things, but no, I thought they were
able to really just cap sure like the fear element
of what the first movie was for me, and uh
like that's one of my top five favorite movies of
all time, the first Alien And in hindsight, like liliar
messing like like this really was a horror movie. I agree, definitely,
but it's like I think I was just expecting like
an evil dead level of like frightening and like the
fear levels of what this movie is. In comparison to
what the first one is, it's actually pretty similar. This
one might actually be like a tad scarier because of
just some of the the imagery and like things that
you see to just kind of leave you feel unsettled.
But uh so, like in comparison to that, it's like, Okay,
this is just like a perfect level of horror that
I want personally from an alien movie. So yeah, in
you know, like coming into it, I'm like I'm expecting
to be having nightmares tonight. But it's like now that
I think about It's like, that's actually not really the
alien movie that I truly wanted. So I ended up
getting the movie that I wanted more so than what
I was hoping to get. That's a weird way to
say that you.
Speaker 1: Can always get us what you want, but sometimes you
get what you need exactly.
Speaker 2: That's kind of where I'm at right now. So really
really enjoyed it. Oh and just I guess last thing
I'll say, I really love the lead of this kid.
Did you draft her? I remember her name being mentioned? Right, Okay, Dn,
there you go, think she spent You haven't seen Civil
War yet? I haven't seen Civil Warry to see that
before the end of the year.
Speaker 3: For sure. Well yeah, kay, Spain for sure.
Speaker 1: And even though it was the back half of last year.
Priscilla another good one. If you're an Elvis fan. That
was like her big breakout. She's fantastic in that movie.
So yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice. She's older than I was expecting her to be.
I feel like, especially in this movie, they portrayed her
as like it would seemed to be like a minor
because she's like, never mind, I'm already talking about the movie,
but she's twenty or twenty six. Or something like that.
I don't know me, so she seems very young to me. Yeah, yeah,
that's a sign you're getting old when these people just
look like babies.
Speaker 1: But anytime I just hear the number twenty, it's like
a not great you know years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's over for me. Yeah no. I I kind
of agree with a bunch of a mix in here
where I agree with Kirkhan where it wasn't as scary
as I was hoping. But I don't think that's a
negative con. I still had a great time and loved
it over all. I'd say it's, I think, for sure,
my top five for this year. So that's where I'm
with Dylan, and then I'm with Taylor on the third act.
I might have less problems. I don't know with the
third act. Will wait and see. I credit Fetti for
taking some swings. For sure, it's odd he takes some swings,
but then he also what is it called and uh
in baseball it's like you take a walk right like
I feel like he does that, and I think unfortunately
the first two acts are like I won't say perfect,
but pretty much perfect, have the right amount where I
feel the third act the Big Swing aside, I feel
like there's a lot of call too many callbacks, like
too many line drops, too many exact situations where I go, Okay,
it does follow. Aliens has a certain tropes that happens
in every move where that'll happened to happen. But the
thing is where they're kind of almost it feels not exact,
but similar to when we talked about like Halloween twenty
eighteen a long time. Now. It's not as bad as that,
but there's three to four moments that are just identical
to other movies, and one in particular that I really
really did not like. The theater laughed and had a
good time with it, so I feel like I was
in the minority, but I was like that was a
step that was a step two line of like too
far over the line when like South Park talks about
member Barris and all that stuff, like that's what the
third act to me felt a little bit. And then
they do another thing that it's like, Okay, that's a
big thing, which I'm I'll need some time to sit
on that. I can see why people would love that,
I could see why people hate that. I think I'm
more in the liking it side because I'm always down
for people to take a swing. Especially in the third
act it was being kind of just a lot of repetition.
But overall, yeah, Katie spaining, Man, I'd seen Priscilla in
January between that, so warn this that girl's gonna win
to Oscar and Day. I promise you, kid, did not
unless you wants to just keep doing more of the
genre stuff. But from all three roles, just the versatility
is great. And then I gotta shout out this guy
never heard of him before. I think I had not
seen anything. David Johnson, who played Andy Man that guy,
Holy geez, he like Kaylee.
Speaker 2: Was great, David, there you go.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, exactly like Kaylee was great. But David
almost or he did steal the movie from everybody else
for a while. I think some stuff in the middle
happens where that doesn't happen as much. But man, this
is a guy that right away, in my case, I
want to see him in a bunch of stuff. Look
at other things he's done in the past. So and
all Castle all around was great. There's one character in
particular I did not like because it felt way too trophy.
So I think I'm like everyone else here where. For me,
it was great Top five. I think the visuals are
just stunning. This is a movie that I was so
happy I got to see in the theater because I
remember one point this was supposed to go to Disney
Plus and Hulu and there's just certain space stuff that
I was like, Man, if I couldn't see this for
the first time on a big screen, I would have
just been sitting there just peoed the whole time. So
it's a stunning, stunning movie. Like for me, this is
like we'll see but like it's like probably a lock
for me Golden Geeks to come visual times because it's
just like there's so many different environments in just this
one little area and not within the ship, just even outside.
Cinatography is great. I enjoy the score as well too.
I'm a big Benjamin Waalfish fans, So yeah, overall, it's
mostly all aces. I think that they did do a
great job of tension. Fetie does a good job of that.
I think there is some similar Prometheism Covenant characters acting
a little dumb when you go okay, it's just like
almost like other than alien one. It's like an alien
thing where everyone's smart and then this pivotal moment happens
to go, well maybe I'll do this when you're thinking
no one's right mind you go I don't know if
you would, if you would want to do that, But yeah,
I really liked a lot of the choices, and this
is one, said Tay, I cannot wait to rewatch this one.
I'll watch this one, I think quite a bit in
the future. So I think Vetti, Yeah, he delivered again.
He's uh, just this don't breathe Evel dead. I'm always
saying to see what he does next. But yeah, I think, uh,
just one of the best guys out there as far
as a genred director and just uh overall, just a great,
great time. And I'd say, like met expectations, so maybe
he didn't exceed them, but expectations were high, so that's
a good thing. So very nice. Anything else non spoilers
that we want to talk about, Okay, well then we're
gonna get into it. So if you've not seen the movie,
I think I think we all recommend it before we
get there. Do you still recommend it even if you're okay.
Speaker 3: You're an alien fan, for you're a horror fan. Or
if you're a fan, go check it out as well.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're a VP fan, if I
check this out, yeah, I would say that too. I
actually think there's enough in here that it's not like
you have. There is Easter eggs and allusions to other stuff,
but it's not like you have to see this to know.
Like it feels similar to Prometheus that way, where you
could jump in and just go. You don't need to
know who Ripley is and the zoomorphs and everything.
Speaker 2: So it's nice too because it's like it's one of
those where if I gonna recommend any movie, it's like,
we'll just watch the first one and like that's really
all you need for Yeah, I mean you don't even
need yet, but I'm just saying, like, if you want to.
Speaker 1: Tackle, this follows the first one, right, it's a direct
sequel in a sense. Again, Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 2: Watch Prometheus, you gotta watch Covinis, you have to watch
for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's that's the tip of the
iceberg right there. That's the beginning of it, you know.
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let's let's circle back. We're gonna say you wanted to
start there, so yeah, let's start there. We're gonna start
the beginning or the end is the beginning of the end.
We're gonna go You said the third act was very
evil deady do you are you? I'm now I think
I've I understand because I think I speak Taylor Field.
Are you just are you saying that the abomination was
maybe too similar to like.
Speaker 4: A evil dead demon that was just coming.
Speaker 1: Out of the guy from Smile.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's exactly what it felt like.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I can I can see that
they're going for this play here that's like an alien resurrection.
And even they executed the creature the same way because oh,
acid on the wall sucks.
Speaker 5: The creature out.
Speaker 4: Kind of a thing there just did not do it
for me with this thing, and I get it there.
It's the black Goop, and we know that the Black
Gup can be very unpredictable and lead to a whole
array of different things that we've seen.
Speaker 1: With goop as well, Toodified Goopy Brocus being like David
over there, he got this stuff, this DN and he's
just doing experiments on it.
Speaker 4: So I was apprehensive with the reintroduction of.
Speaker 5: The Goop, but I was I was.
Speaker 4: Open to it because I felt like, Okay, this is
doing something. It's gonna do something new, it's gonna be
do something different. But the end of the day, the
reason why I love the first and second acts of
this movie is because it really just tries to be
its own thing and feels like it's its own thing.
Speaker 5: And when you get into.
Speaker 4: That back half of that third act, I felt like, man,
it's trying to be its own thing.
Speaker 5: But I also feel like.
Speaker 4: They're really trying to be that bridge now between everything.
It's like, I don't need that bridge. I just wanted
a unique, standalone alien story, which again, you could argue
that this is exactly what that is, but to me,
it feels like it was blown up even bigger than
that because we got them trying to connect the dots
and be like, oh, yeah, this is you know. Oh
like I said, pro Whaylan died went missing for trying
to find the Prometheus whatever.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah that bought me. I was like, yes, for.
Speaker 5: Me, I don't mind that.
Speaker 4: I thought, Okay, it's a fun mention there. But then
when they were showing everything tying in at the end.
It's just it was too too much. I just like, like,
just give me classic xenomorph. By the time that thing
shows up at the end, I felt like, man, even
the face huggers didn't feel as scary in this movie.
The Aliens didn't feel as scary anymore in this movie,
and it was just kind of like they were tense
moments with the face huggers at the start, but once
you get through them and you get to the end
and you're dealing with this abomination thing, I look back
at it thought, man, I I love how the again
the first and second acts of this movie were, but
I don't feel like it necessarily has that scary factor.
I feel like, Okay, the Aliens zenos have been turned
into the action packed villains of like the Aliens movie
that we got, and like even like in all these
different projects, I always felt like the face huggers were
for me the most terrifying thing because they can just
they're there and they can get you. While they were
always present in the background here, it definitely this movie
conquered my fear, I guess of them because of how
it progressed on how they were dealing with them. But
the most part is I just didn't like them introducing
this abomination thing at the end, evil deady felt like
came out of an economic go on.
Speaker 3: I am so surprised to hear you say this because
you are just a diehard hybrid fan, so I thought
you would love this weird abomination. So you didn't find
you didn't find the abomination. Do we have a name
for this thing? By the way, in my notes, like
called it the baby morph, But I know the can
I know the canon fans.
Speaker 2: They're not offspring? Is what his cast Robert is his
name seven foot seven, gentlemen, the offspring.
Speaker 1: I'd give it a couple more months and you'll get
an official alien wiki name. I think that. I think
they'll be like a full on put on there, like alien.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Taylor, you weren't. You weren't terrified by offspring?
Speaker 4: No, not really like for me, like when you say hybrids,
like I like if the face hugger is jumping on
a different species and like you got the zeno mixed
with that it's host.
Speaker 1: But this like this is a sceno mix with a
horse though, right, because it's like that's what Brooks saying
is like he wants to evolve. He wants humans to evolve,
So there's sometimes he has a little bit like a
a different of a David complex, but like the way
to evolve is getting is becoming almost this like new
type of species. Right, So it is to me it's
the closest you've seen human in an alien because I
like the thing is like the face hugger attacks a
human and then it comes out of it. Though, is
like it never looks like a human.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's five percent human. Yeah, whatever that So this.
Speaker 1: Is the first time we saw like a more closer
to that, right, because it is something different, it's something unique,
which and I will say the face which again I
other than AVP, I do feel like the team Andnfetti
really represented everything in this franchise, and I do think
he is a Prometheus fan. That thing looked like a
fucking engineer if I ever saw on the head. He
had the black eyes, he had the same bone structure.
So I liked that as a call back because the
we in this connuity, we are spawns of the engineers, right,
So it's a kind of like full circle moment where
we're spawning a new type of engineer per se.
Speaker 3: You know that that poses a lot of questions for
me as well, Like I don't know if it's supposed
to be that in hindsight, I didn't really think about
this before, but like our engineers supposed to kind of
look baby like, because you know, I think babies like
when they're first born, like their eyes don't have all
the color in them, right, and like they're bald obviously. Yeah,
So I don't know if like that's the ideas that, okay,
since this like our primal ancestor they kind of have
like that more baby like fetus like aesthetic and I
never really thought about it that way. But if not,
like if this is like, this makes me wonder if, okay,
are the engineers actually an offshoot from humanity? And it
makes me rethink things from Prometheus and maybe the order
of events is is truly different because it just looks
so similar to an engineer. And once again, you know
that DNA, that ancient DNA is in humankind obviously discussed
in those movies. So I don't know, it's kind of
like the chicken and egg situation for me is maybe
getting a bit confusing here, But I also it could
just be because in this case, the I guess the
goop embodied like this actual fetus rather than like I
guess the chest bursas normally just pop out of random
organs and get I don't even know where exactly they
embody from the body. But since it's an actually human
baby fetus that was already kind of half developing.
Speaker 1: Like what would have happened if there's no fetus in there?
Speaker 2: Right, But that's what I's confused about, Like I assume
that she actually got a fit hugger, right, Like she
was in the exact same situation that everyone else was
in when they found her, Like she was like stuck
up on the wall like everyone that just gets abducted
by an alien, you know, they get thrown on that wall,
and then a face hugger comes and just slurps them up.
And then later on when's because and he's like oh,
or Rain is like, oh, she's losing a lot of blood.
It's like that's probably why she hasn't like basically popped
the chest yet, and then like we don't get any
of that, and then later on she shoots herself in
the next So I assumed that it was gonna come
out like a hybrid, you know, alien resurrection looking thing,
and then the goop just like turned it into something
like I saying, that's.
Speaker 4: There's no face hugger carcass below her.
Speaker 2: Okay, I missed that one.
Speaker 1: Then maybe he was playing.
Speaker 2: So she was just she got fucked up by the
alien and then he was what just saving her for
the goop. That's what I'm confused on.
Speaker 3: I never know, do you mean like the alien saving
her or keep.
Speaker 2: Well, the alien stabbed her like like yeah, you know
with up in the wall, takes her up and then
strings her up on the tail. Why would he not
have like face hugger or it's just like oh, lucky,
lucky the face hugger and.
Speaker 1: The other people first before he does.
Speaker 2: That's a bit of a like okay, yeah lucky that happened,
but not really, I guess because the coop.
Speaker 3: He was playing with its food just in general, like
even I was almost surprised when when there was all
the xenomorphs there and they didn't just charge Rain instantly
even though she had the gun, and they kind of
explained it. They're like, oh, they're scared of the guns.
That's why they're not gonna Yeah, I didn't buy that,
and I was like, I don't know if the alien
like the six movies I've seen prior.
Speaker 1: To this, we saw aliens, there's like a swat Commando.
Speaker 3: They're always like, these are different aliens, of course differently
and you know their their their DNA structure is going
to be a little bit different. So you can explain
away a little bit of it there. But uh, yeah,
Kirkland Travis, did you like I was fucking terrified of
Office Oh man, I was cringing through that whole thing.
I could barely look at the screen. I just felt
like sick to my stomach and disgusted. I thought the
visual of it and like just the size, the creepy
when like the tail is starting to burst through, like
little bones are getting added to it. I found that
like ten out of ten peak scary and like cringe
and creepy. It was like all in one. So that's
where I guess for me, the third I really lands
because I was fucking more scared than I had been
the whole movie and probably in all of the alien movies.
Maybe like that that was horrifying for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I think that was probably my peak
frightness moment of the of the film, just because it's
funny too. How much like I was such a hater
of Resurrection and the whole hybrid situation in that movie.
I fucking hated the design. I just was not a
fan of that at all. So I'm like total opposite
here where I just I like the uncertainty as well.
When rain cakes like the the egg thing, like the
just the womb like whatever the hello was in the
cocoon and then drops it and then it's about to
like ice it, and then you just see like a
baby's face and it's like, holy fuck, like this is
actually a child, and then you know, slurps down into
the into the cargo area and you just hear it
like like basically exiting the egg, and like you just
hear some noises and I'm just like, what the fuck
is this thing going to look like? Like, holy shit,
this is so terrifying, especially just it kind of was
a callback I actually to the first alien when it
pops out of the chest fucks off and you're like,
what is this thing even gonna look like the next
time we see it? Like that to capture that magic,
I thought that was a really special moment and then yeah,
when you see it in the hallway and it's just
so much bigger than what I was expecting, and yeah,
like just having like the engineer like head but it's
like a really long neck and it was it was disturbing.
So I was a big fan of the hybrid this
time around. But yeah, so that all that really really
worked for me. Actually, I thought the ending was gonna
be like basically the exact same as a resurrection, where
it just like just spaghettifies like into space. You know,
it's like trying to get through that tiny little hole
and then it just ends up like blowing up. But uh, yeah,
I liked I. I was a fan of it. I
felt like it was fitting and it was able to
just like have me and that uncertainty of like I
don't even know what we're gonna see now, Like I
know it's not gonna be like a regular xenomorph, but
it's gonna be freaky, and it definitely was.
Speaker 1: I think I'm most like positive on it. I really
like the engineer choice. I think it's something where of
course all the aliens are CGI, but when you get
closer to human skin, it stands like a bit more so,
it's it's like kind of that Uncanny Valley thing where
sometimes it looks real and sometimes it's just a very
shiny prop thing that I'm I'm. I think it's the
issue for me is at times I lose the oh
i'm And this is a movie where I think with
the Aliens, when they're done correctly, it's okay, I'm I'm
in the alien world. But it's like, okay, I'm watching
a cgi giant baby right now. That's like Alien five.
So I'm mostly positive. I think I'm like a seventy
thirty on it. I think I need another watch. I
think as far as like how people are gonna feel
about it, I think it's gonna be, like Taylor, I
think it's gonna be the most mixed thing about this
because I can see a lot of people not enjoying that,
because I think if you don't like Prometheus or Covenant,
it kind of leans on that a bit, and I
think it's just again it's I agree with to Taylor.
There is a sense of evil dead, more supernatural because
it is a more humanoid thing, and that is kind
of some of Fetti's I don't know, not callbacks, but
just some of his strength. So yeah, I need another
watch up. But I think the execution of how the
events go are really good. I think when and I
really liked her too, Isabelle Ohmer said, like, I really
liked her in this movie, especially hear the back happ
She's knocked out a bit when she's having to react
these scenes. Not an easy actress thing to do, where Okay,
you gotta act as things come out of you and
you don't know what it is. But like just seeing
the different egg where it came out and it was
like a it was more of an egg coming out
and then it had like layers to it, and I
loved it. About to go to bed, not a great
time for them to try and put Annie to sleep
or reboot. That was my one thing, Like I get
that he's tired, but I feel like, uh, maybe wait
a couple a couple hours before he sits down, because
right away things go to crap and that ship's crashing
and they just shoot Anne and he's just like passed
out there.
Speaker 2: So maybe made me wait a little go right, Like
that was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: No, Andy the robot, they put him to sleep, right,
and I just think like.
Speaker 2: You're saying, like him put himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just because like and I was just surprised
too when the ship was starting to crash, he didn't
automatically wake up. It took like a couple of minutes
and he woke up. But again, it's just one of
those Okay, for the plot, he needs to not be
because like we've seen that before, where like David or
other people there around for the humans right to there,
that's their job is to watch. I know that's the point.
He's not supposed to be a robot, but like in
this situation where it's all gonna shit, and also because
she's injured too, write the other girl K like, I
feel like that's like okay, not that they should know
that a chest burst was basicly gonna happen, but she
is injured. They literally said, if we don't get you appad,
you're probably gonna die. So I feel like, maybe just
watch your vitals for a little bit. But throwing that
stuff aside, I love the escalation of the things beeping
at saying it's vital. They pull her out, it's fallen
through the crates. I loved that little like docking they
had the sand I thought that was a good kind
of set piece there so, and I love all the
build up to you know, hit crawls and you see
a little bit of it. I loved the Engineer look
and like when the comments are putting in there as
far as like, I don't know what it was trying
to do with k if it was trying to feed
on her, because it didn't have the same situation in
Resurrection where it sees Sigorney and it's like just it
gives up. Yeah right, it's just very just obedient to
Signore where this was not. And again I don't know
if it was threatening or I don't know if it
was trying to get some sort of life source from
or anything like that. But so yeah, I gotta think
about the look and everything a bit more. I was
trying to look at the entire body. Had an interesting
situation going on. The pelvis region.
Speaker 2: It looked like like a little mouth. I thought that
was gonna be as second mouth for a second, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it reminds me of those uh whatever took
over the Engineer and Prometheus. They have those like little
ye like sucker things there. So again I like the design.
I think it's one of these things where it's in
the universe. Especially, it's not like someone else did Ridley
Scott did that. He's the guy that did Alien, so
it's like that's to me, it all makes sense. Yeah,
I'm mostly positive on it, but I appreciate them doing
something different. It was like what we said is the
fourth time an Alien movie where they defeat the alien,
they get on the ship and then something happens. I
did like this was the cause because she decided to
take some medicine, but it was that trope again and
just other stuff of I get it to space. But
I felt like the build up to Kaylee putting on
the suit was pretty much identical to what Sigournia did.
Hate it, absolutely hate it. The get away from her
bitch line I that to me was just way just
too much. And Predator I'm kind of fine that because
Predator sometimes is more comedic and it's like a winking.
This movie was so serious that just like, well, I
would say, even the Bitch like that. So the third
act for me, that was more my problems, not so much.
Even the Abomination was just I thought they're getting really
into the like, eh, you've seen Alien, right, you remember this?
And I was like, okay, Act one and two, I
thought that the right amounts.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's a tricky thing when when we
compare this to Evil Dead, which is weird, it's like,
is that a remake or is it like a sequel,
Like we don't really have like a definitive answer, but
I think since it does feel more remaking, it's okay
to repeat some of those kinds of things more. But
since this is a sequel, it's weird for characters to
have like identical dialogue to someone else. And some of
those other things do make sense, and I wasn't really
bothered by them. I think, yeah, maybe the dialogue was
like slightly over the top in terms of the callback stuff,
but for the most part, I think it was pretty tasteful.
And I don't know I even going to this. I'm like, guy,
I know that they're gonna get away on the ship
and there's gonna be something on board, like it just
always happens in these movies. I've kind of just accepted
it at this point, so.
Speaker 1: Which like the third activity is great of like when
they're doing the whole shooting the aliens, the gravity, the acid,
I'm like, oh, you can end the movie after this,
like this is something we haven't seen in Aliens before,
and that's like a raret. He says, like, oh, this
is top runch. You don't got to do anything else,
and they wanted to. But I love that whole gravity sequence.
That was very well done. Just that acid coming at
you because we'd seen the trailers, but I'd never put
two and two together. That was the Aliens blood acid
in the air. I was like, man, that would be horrifying.
You take one wrong bump and your just face. It's
just like we saw what happen to the guy earlier,
you know.
Speaker 2: The guy earlier. Yeah, whatever it it's funny because like
I really did Jorn.
Speaker 1: Someone might say I don't recall them saying his name
at all in this movie. I'm sure they did, but
I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: I felt like in the early portion of the movie too,
I don't know if I'm just going to death, but
I'm like, I can't fucking understand anything they're saying. I
know Bjorn had like a heavy accent too, but I'm like,
I am so relying on subtitles these days. That's like
my one downfall when we go to movies.
Speaker 1: But that's just getting close to thirty.
Speaker 2: That's just yeah exactly. I think I was just crunching
popcorn too loud. The little people who don't have so
embarrassing Yeah you should. It's a twenty eight year old man,
I'm asking for the fucking caption device. But no. Yeah,
Like as much as I like the Offspring, I still
just felt like it's like, man, like I'm still missing
my xenomorphs here, Like, like there was a couple in
this movie. I think they had some decent moments. By
no means, is it like peak alien though, or like
in the sense of like xenomorphs really popping off. In
my mind, they had a little bit of a different
design to them. It seemed like sometimes they had like
almost like electricity going like off in their head. I
don't know if you guys notice that, or if it
was just like maybe a reflection off the head, like
it just it just shined.
Speaker 1: For to act that. You know, it's just like Palpatine
just like shooting lightning, it.
Speaker 4: Killing in the elevator shaft, the close one of yeah,
you know the Zeno skull was cracked and yeah there's
electricity sparking.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh, but I get what you're saying, Creer. It's tough.
It's like it's like they're reinventing the wheel you can.
For me, you can just never top the like the
Perdalien has like some sentimental because like, Okay, that's fun,
put the presser in the alien together. I get it.
But other than that, I feel like, and I'm fine
with them taking a swing and doing a more for hybrid,
but it's like it's always tough to talk that original design,
and that's where it's just like, like, what can you do.
It's like, well, we'll make like a human engineer alien type,
but you always still go, oh, like I still like
that Zeno. But then it's been done before, right, so
you're not You're stuck.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm totally with you, Kirk. And I think
that to me, the Zeno more this is not their
best showing in terms of scary factor or a cool moments factor,
or even like personality, because sometimes some of these aliens
do have like a little bit more personality than others,
and sometimes they're just like binary killing machines pretty much.
But I think on the opposite side of it, I mean,
one the as I already mentioned, the offspring I think
is fantastic, but also I think this is the best
face huggers have ever been in alien. I thought they
I think the visuals of it, like you know, when
we go back to those some of those first ones,
like especially like the first aliens, like the CG or
the effects that they use for that not CG does
not hold up for me, Like it looks awful, looks cheap,
it looks really goofy. And then I think we've kind
of had been hit or miss with the CGI of
them over the years. But I think the the creepiness
of them, like the little movements. They were very spider
like in this, and they were also like a lot
there's a lot more of them than usual, and you
have characters like smacking them away with baseball bats, and
I think which I think is funny because I think
it gets a bit tiring if like face huggers out
hundredercent accuracy rate and they always instantly hit the face
and always get that kill instantly. So I thought they
were really really fun in this. I feel like they're
bigger too than they normally are, which gave that extra
scare factor. But like that sequence we had when they
had to sneak through that one hallway by turning the
temperature ups and they had to kind of go through
there and not you know, try not to make any
reactions whatsoever. The creepiness that really worked for me. It
felt like a sequence out of Don't Breathe or something
fun enough. But I really liked that in just in general,
I thought that their their movements and like their numbers
were really effective and really scary.
Speaker 2: In this reminded me of like Last of Us when
you're going through like a clicker area and it's just
like you're like trying to be quiet. I yeah, I
I don't know if it's like my favorite version of it,
just because I don't know, like it's interest Like I
feel like this is the movie where they're probably the
least accurate, Like like like I was so I was
so expecting both of those gentlemen to just get the
face huggers, like right away in that area. I think
they're in like the cryo chamber room and they're getting
the fuel. I'm just so used to Like as soon
as we get face hugger in the water, it's like, Okay,
they're getting whoever's there, and they both managed to make
it out. You know, one of them got some face
hugger limb in the mouth, but they managed to get
it off and out of there, which I'm just so
used to them being that accurate. So yeah, I don't know.
I think I need to think about her, maybe like rewatch,
to really see how I feel on her overall, because
I just really love like the original when we like
see it, it's just the one and it's like, what
the fuck even is this thing and they're dissecting it
and just trying to figure out what it is, Whereas
this version felt a lot more like the flood from Halo.
I think, like just how fast and yeah, not the
show by any means, but the rest and peace of
that show, but in the games, just how fast and
like overwhelming the flood can feel because they have a
similar creature, right, even like Half Life has a similar creature.
I'm sure they're all inspired by it by these these
you know, really Scott's version, But yeah, I don't know.
I'm I'm just kind of in the middle. I'm undecided,
But I did think that they're really freaky, especially when
it goes to the sequences of them just like all
going in like the events and you just see like
it what seems to be like over twenty of them
in that moment. I'm like, oh my gosh. When they're
just like thawing in the early stages, I'm like, they're fucked.
There's no way anyone's making out of this movie. You
I'm just seeing that many thoughts out like no, there's
no way.
Speaker 1: I'll say I'm perfectly satisfied with both the face hugger
and the Zeno. I don't know if it's like they're
best showing for either of them, but I'm like both.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: I guess double thumbs up. What sounds like that showing,
but just that's what it is. It's two thumbsd like
z you know, I really like the entrance of the
first one. I think they do a good I think
they do a good build up. We think about it. Also,
we got some of them Incovenant, but getting like a
proper Zino. You haven't really seen that since, you know,
I guess AVP two. So I like that there is
an escalation, it's not face hugger guy gets it and
then boom the things out there. It's like you see Okay,
you see the one break out of the one lady
and then it goes off, and then you get that
big egg and it breaks out there and you see
like the like the wrists cracking and you actually see
it growing. Like I think that's what I appreciated. Where
in the originals, I'll see Alien one and two they
have these great animatronics and these great machines, but you
can't show this type of stuff where it's like moving
and growing, right, because like they just couldn't do that.
So that's where I thought, that's the perfect when CGI
exists for a reason. That's why it is as a showcase.
Alien come out of the egg and you can see
literally take its form. So I think that's where maybe
if I think near the end they get little aliens,
which I don't like where it' says Okay, Kyler spinning
is a gun and she's just taking these things out
very easily, right, a couple of shots and they're dead.
But that aside, that's just something that happens post Alien
where yeah, I need that in Starfill too, you know,
like helping out a lot. Yeah, it's pretty much just
that was that thing Vat's from follow But that's that's
where it's just like, Okay, I'm not a fan of
how the aliens have become squishy later on in the franchise,
but the fact that they are so for me. I
and I actually really loved the moment of when they
got oh God who was the semi male love interest
but didn't end up happening til yeah, when he gets
brought up. Yeah not yeah, not that one. He's still survived.
But when they bring him up and he's just hooked
and you think it's already bad enough that it's won.
First he gets the the mouth socket to the eye,
so that's terrible, and then when he looks over, he
just sees like five more full grown xenomorphs climbing and
they they have this great shot too where I think
they see Giddend later but they look up at the
well and this blood's coming down. I do think I
know why they probably didn't do it, but I thought
they missed an opportunity. I thought we were gonna get
a shot like a nope with the house when it's
like the blood's fall, I thought that was casewing is
gonna walk under and all that dude's blood was gonna
be falling on So I think they they missed a
really cool shot there, but that's a moment for me.
I really liked there, and even the anticipation of the
door again it's it's xenomorph adjacent but with him or so,
with them or the one her, whatever that zeno is.
I don't know what gender it's gonna be. And then
Andy like that great build up of it's watching even
and he says like, oh, no, they want the door
to open, and it's just it's perched there for a
little bit, because we know that about aliens they can
be like sometimes a bit more savvy. So it's just
sitting there literally just watching like like a predator, like
waiting to see what they're gonna do. And then when
it realized, oh they're not open the door, I'm just
gonna skew her. So I had and you guys already
mention all the face hugger moments and stuff and the
event stuff in the water. I had standouts for kind
of all them. So I was happy with the usage
of them all here, and I thought they all looked good.
I know they used a mix of practical and CGI
and I think this is probably I could say, the
best looking maybe because in the original Aliens sometimes you
still have you're limited by a suit and an alien covenant.
They went overboard on the CGI, like we talked about
right where it's okay, there's too much so this to
be like a perfect blend of live action and CG
Aliens going on. For me, right on, what about you, TA,
because you said you had some issues with the face huggers,
you said the non spoilers, I felt like.
Speaker 5: They were just not as scary by the end of it.
Speaker 4: I think it started off scary when they were in
that room, they're locked up with it and they're swimming around.
Speaker 5: Going into the events.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe for me it was when they panned to the
door and you see all the fucking face hugger fingers
in the crack at the door, like flipping out of
that man.
Speaker 5: That freaked me out. That was creepy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I just I liked that they were reoccurring
throughout the hallway scene. That was really fun. I liked
that they were able to kind of conquer that. But
again they're they're conquering of them, and they're upping of
the defeating of the face huggers. For me, as a viewer,
it was like, okay, like it. It didn't create that
fear factor. It created that conquering factor of these things
like okay, especially when the guy was being a jerk
the cousin, and he's just like baseball batting every single
one and he made even without like it just blew
my mind because he was just like landing every hit,
hit hit, hit hit. I was like, man, Okay, he's
really doing a good job here, which is kind of
blowing my mind because he seems kind of like an
idiot later on with some of his decisions.
Speaker 1: But I guess the only thing I'll try to defend
is at least the other times. Most times the face
huggers get someone they don't They might not have a prep.
It's just like what's that? Then they get hit. At
least this is they already know something in the water
and he almost gets attacked by face huggers, so they
are on the attack. Do I think you should have
like maybe been home running them all? Maybe not. That
is the fear you have when you have like twenty
face huggers around, So I can I can see that critique,
But at least it is like they're more on the attack, right.
Speaker 5: So that's fair.
Speaker 4: I would have loved to have just gotten a little
bit more of these Zeno morphs, though, because I feel
like they kind of got not a lot of just
visual screen time. I feel like we got quick cuts
of different angles of different xenomorphs, and I feel like
by the time the scene.
Speaker 5: Was over was like, Oh, that's that's it. Like, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: I would have really like, especially because we've gone to
the Hive to get longer shots. There's one shot that
was just beautiful, and I feel like it was so short.
Was when they were down the hall and you see
the hive and you see the one Zeno standing up
and the face huggers crawling on the walls and on
the ground around it, and you had the blue floor
lights too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, awesome.
Speaker 4: But the shot ended so quick, and I hate that,
and I wish that it was just extended a little
bit more.
Speaker 1: Just like they're trying to be like the original to
I think they're trying even though they have the budgets.
I think they're trying to do the like don't show
it too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. I can respect that, But at the
same time, if you like or what do you what
is your goal? Are you going for it to still
be scary, because I'm not scared of the Zeno's at
this point anymore. On this movie, I think it's it's uncomfortable.
But like by the time we get to the point
where she which is an awesome scene where she goes
zero G and the blood acid blood is just floating
in little cloud pockets. But when we get to this
scene and she's just letting them up, they're definitely again
not scary, not scary at all. It felt like it
was a lot scarier having one. And that moment when
they were gonna take the black oop and go into
the hallway and Rain's like stop, do you see it?
And you look at the camera and you can just
see it like moving kind of to the side in
the hallway.
Speaker 5: That was scary, And I wish that we got more
of that. And that's why at the end of.
Speaker 4: The day, I wish that it was just a small
isolated event in the Alien verse. You know, keep all
the face huggers in there, but just keep it like
one alien just running around with these guys hunting them.
Speaker 1: But then do you not just then you just get
alien again?
Speaker 4: You do, but then you're having all these aliens you get,
you get aliens, and then you.
Speaker 1: Do yeah you do. But as one that's where it's
like they I think they tried to do. It is
tough because I think there's a calm where you got alien,
you got aliens, you do have alien resurrection in there,
and then just a calm of every they're trying to
make it a weapon, right, because that's the plot. We
learned that. Okay, they they found somehow they found the
corpse which was rumored that up being true. They found
the corpse of the one that Ripley kicked off the ship. Yeah,
and also that one got killed, but they had enough
to get DNA and stuff in there.
Speaker 4: Sound like it was alive, like yeah, like it went
into a stasis and then they captured it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't need air, didn't need food, killed it right, yeah, exactly,
and then the crew that could get out of there
got out of there. So it is tough, but I
think it's almost similar. I think we talked about that
either on Covenant or whatnot. It's like, what is there
left to do with aliens? Right, Like that's the thing
where it's just you went the Prometheus route, and a
lot of people don't like that of I don't want
this stuff answer, So then it's just more adventures and
I think that's why.
Speaker 4: That's that's where they could win. Though I feel like
because this, to me, this movie feels like like a
sequel or like a third part or something like that.
I think it's been so long since we had that
original alien, so long since Aliens, and even that it's
been a good amount of time since Covenant and Prometheus.
I feel like, Okay, they could have just kept it simple,
back to basics. Uh.
Speaker 1: I still think they did the first part, but.
Speaker 4: Like for me again, the first act and the second
act where it was just still that one alien and
ok wrong, I like seeing the other Aliens, but it
was just the one alien and you get the face
huggers like it was really engaging and it felt like.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is this is cool.
Speaker 4: It's simple, and it's terrifying, and it has a lot
of the right elements for just that that alien movie
that we've been craving and kind of wanting. It's bringing
all those good things back, and then it just yeah.
Speaker 1: The So how would you have felt that the movie
ended if they didn't. Let's say they do the acid
gravity thing, happy ending, it just ends. How do you
feel at the movie?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 4: Well that's exactly what we have here, right, Like no,
like no, I meant no happy ending.
Speaker 1: I meant like no, like the Isbell whatever her name is?
Speaker 4: Kay?
Speaker 1: Was it okay? The pregnant one? Like, none of the
abomination stuff happens? Are you fine satisfied with the movie?
Speaker 4: More?
Speaker 1: If it just ends with the gravity scene, they get
on that ship and they get out of.
Speaker 4: There, I would have changed it a little bit because
you still had Rook kind of looming around.
Speaker 1: But he was gonna explod in the ship though, right
he was a gone that.
Speaker 4: He was still able to call the shots from where
he was though, And I feel like, okay, he could
have he could have done some things. I mean, he
didn't obviously want these people to get away. He was
kind of being an ass about it. But he could
have directed the alien towards them. He could open up doors.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to do that. The alien would
have just destroyed the science project, right, So that was
that was a non non grata. What do we think
about that we got? You know, I feel like we've
had it all between happened years ago with Rogue one
when we got grand Math, when I'm uh turm off
tark and I think there's been other characters that we've
covered over the years. Oh this actors passed away and
here it goes. And I thought it was going to
be an actor of note, but I did not think
it was gonna be like a recreation of Ian Holme,
who did pass away four years ago. So I imagine
as a state said yes to all this and everything,
but it's not his voicees, not him acting. So it
is like the Tarken thing where they probably if somebody
doing it. So I was still I was caught off
guard by it. I think I still like it. I
guess it's not like I think it's something I need
to sit on more, because you easily could have got
another established actors, like, oh, this is a new whatever,
but they're trying to paint it in the realm of
close to alien, right, So but surprising nonetheless, because that
the theater pot for that one too. There's quite a
few people. And then they showed his face like, oh
Stern in the show. Oh, you know, there's some excitement there, So.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. I that was in my nonspoilers what
I mentioned. I just think the CGI looked atrocious. Set
times looked so bad to me. And that's the only
like I in theory. I like everything about it. It
makes sense that these synthetics are made in kind of
batches based off the same likeness, so we should be
seeing more of the similar ones. And we have seen
some of that before, particularly with David and the Walt
is the is the new one there? But Rook, I
guess is like the name of this model, I guess
is what we're calling it. Yeah, but obviously not the
same one as Ash. So I in theory, I really
like all that, and I feel like for me too,
it's like, okay, the mechanics of how this synthetic works,
it feels very similar to what Ash was like in
the original one in terms of simple directives, just like
whaling Utani, just like trying to keep that the tech alive,
trying to keep the alien alive, get that information back
to whaling Utani, similar goals in that way, and just
trying to like do it in like as conniving ways
as possible, and going into this it's we kind of
know how alien one goes and how evil that character is.
I feel like they don't really need to mess around
with like, oh, this is a friendly android for a bit,
Like I feel like they're kind of just from the
get go our characters don't really trust them, don't really
want to work with them. And then it's only through
Andy do things get kind of change when the when
he gets his prime directive change. So for me, all
that really worked, with the exception of of the just
atrocious CGI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they could have kept him shadowed a
bit more. They like they like made sure like the
fucking just like light them up. It's like this ship
is like ranside, like have them near like that computer station.
Have it be somewhat dark, like you don't need to
like or even.
Speaker 2: The screw through like a lot of different angles camera
angles for him too, And I'm like, this one looks
good right now. And then we zoom in like really close,
and it's like, oh no, like why are we doing this?
Speaker 1: And then it goes on the monitor. It's fine because
it's like, oh well, it's a monitor, so it's like,
you know, it's distorted.
Speaker 2: You know, I just really wanted to get close and
it just it looked like one of those like weird
like AI like just phone app things were just like
face swaps with like a celebrity, and yeah, it's like,
do we need to be doing this? I don't know,
Like I I do like that. It is like I
like seeing Ian Holmes face on there, especially just thinking
back to what's his character even ash Ashy Yeah, okay, uh,
just going back to that original So it was fun
to have him here with a different well obviously it's
not the same character, but just like same sort of
same goals exactly. And I really liked the whole dynamic
that he had with Andy and how it just totally
switched his psyche and I didn't really mention it, but yeah,
I fucking loved Andy in this like what like a
like a hidden gem that was I don't know, like
I remember sort of like one of the trailers, but
like I was trying to go into this as black
as possible. I assumed we're gonna get an android, but
like I didn't really and they don't hide him right
like right early on in the movie they showcase that
he is a synthetic and I just I don't know,
I think this was This was probably one of my
favorite actually like if if we had to do a
rankings of like our synthetics. I don't know if we're
doing that in the Aliens, but like definitely would be
up there for just for just kind of like the
levels that he has. Like he's not like he's super
what's the way to say, Like, I love the dynamic
that him and Rain had and it just kind of
feels us in about like somewhat of a family dynamic
that she had like with her dad, that like he
kind of set this thing up like for her and
how his main directive is just to make her happy.
Like that was just a really nice, like heartwarming touch
without even having to like have Rain like see like
a hologram of her dad. You know, it's like, hello, Rain,
I left everything to you, just like Indy, and like
we didn't need that because we just got that through
their dialogue and I thought that was really really well done.
And then to switch that when they're on the ship
and it's like, oh, fuck, now we have a synthetic
that's like, you know, the direct company for the company,
and yeah, I really really like that switch. I liked
even his behavior. It's not like he was straight evil
like when he gets the chip, like he's like, yeah, okay,
we got to get out of here, like before the
alien gets in this room, we got to get out
of here. Right now. He's super cold and like, you know,
it's for the mission that is the company's, but like
he's still like, okay, guys, let's go. You know. It's
not like David where he's like, oh yeah, we're going
down here and then he's like doing some fucking like
buttons on the ship and then he's going down the corridor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, David, Dave was no for no company. He
was for himself for some reason, you know, that bad programming.
Speaker 2: So but Andy was fantastic. Love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that dynamic is fun because you
can kind of see the calculus going on in his
head of Okay, how do I accomplish this goal the
best way, and like for the most parts, like, oh yeah,
it does make sense to keep them alive. That will
make this mission easier. So even if the directive is
no longer to keep her or them safe, then it's
it's just the best thing to do. But yeah, I
think to me it really worked like one the acting.
Of course, he's kind of playing multiple characters here, where
he's doing the like twitches really well and like he
also has the creepiness factor when he's like glitching out
of rebooting and his eyes back from that.
Speaker 1: Track, I can't take a punch. My god, he just
gets bumped and he's downs.
Speaker 2: Was probably confused, like.
Speaker 1: The things are usually stronger.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's like it's funny because he
has almost has like an arc in this, but it's
a very artificial arc because it's just literally the programming
changing him. But he is an artificial character, so it
works for me. It's like they wanted to give him
an arc in the most like straightforward, buy the book
sort of way, and to me it actually totally works.
It's not like he has some big character moment that
changes him back to you know, working in good faith
and trying to protect Rain. It's just that she took
the chip out of his head again. But to me,
that totally works and makes sense because it doesn't. It
wouldn't really make sense for me if he came to
some realization on his own and.
Speaker 1: Changed Yah he is, because it's.
Speaker 3: Just not how these synthetics have shown to be. And
I think it was once again, like we've talked about
this going through the retro is they always try and
do something a little bit different with the synthetics, whether
it's like ash and hiding that's synthetic until the end
of the movie, or like you find out early on
and all these different dynamics, And I think this is
another way that they did it in a fresh, cool way.
And it was fun to see like an old defunct
synthetic aversion that is kind of discarded and has just
thrown down to this random ass like this random mining planet.
I don't really care about them. It's like, I guess
that's the best we can do with this resource that
we have here. But then just kind of getting that
upgrade through that added module from the later models. It
was just all really cool and fun, like from the
lower perspective, and I think they just did a good
job of like shaking up what can you do new
with a synth And I think we did a good.
Speaker 1: Job of that here, which is funny because I feel
like other than really Alien three, i'd have to like
get back in my mind. And when I talk about
these movies, I'm not referring to a VP as well,
So just the alien movies, like the androids and stuff.
They always have quite a big role to play one
whether it's for against our heroes, right like Ash w
no A Ryder, Andy David. They're all very and it's
funny too because people, it's not a true thing about
people always try to connect Alien to Blade Runner because
they got the Oh god, what am I forgetting what
they're called? Oh not a not roode A Kins applicants.
Oh my god, it's something. It's on the tip of
my I'll get back to in a second. But yeah, Andy,
I got no notes, all perfect. Like he said, Dylan,
I was really worried when she was trying to it's replicans,
that's what it is, replicants. As they were trying she
was trying to get the chip out of him. I
was really not wanting him to have like a character
art moment where it's like I see through, like you
are you know this person she got she like tricked
him of, like, well, if you die, that wouldn't be
good for the company, and like, well, yeah, it's a
good way. So it's like he you know the bit
the wayland Andy knows Okay, she's winning here, but at
the same time, you can't go against that programming, so
no no notes. I think I particularly loved him in
the first act where he's just he kind of has
in like he kind of he's playing it in a
way where he's a smart individual, but he's also maybe
as like a child state or someone that's almost closer
to the spectrum. And that's what I really liked about.
This is something we haven't seen with an android, either
in hiding or they're very official not why No writers,
because I don't like they just choose just why No.
One as like a and she's a robot, right, They
didn't really do anything special there at that one, but
I think most of them have these personalities that are
very unique. And heat is again, but this is some
we had not seen before almost a it is. It's
fitting because yeah, he got thrown away because it's like
kind of a broken out of date model, and he
played it that way. Even says to get his new program,
he's like, oh, my joints are healing a bit better,
which I think that was a lie because he just
you know, like I said, it would take a hit
and he'd be down. But yeah, but that was it
was top tiers. Just if I was very invested. I
love that cold line about when they had to do this,
when he had to do the sacrifice because he was
right to not to open the door. If he opened
the door, they would be screwed. And she says like, oh,
why could you do that? He's like, what do you
mean leave someone behind? And that realization that's where he
gets the artificial arc. But his art kind of makes
it that Rain gets her real arc right of it
doesn't matter if he's a robot, android, synth, whatever. I'm
connected to him, and in the future, I'm not going
to leave him behind. And that's why I like the
last direct of now it's what's best for us, not
what's best for me. And she gets that arc through him, so.
Speaker 3: And it even kind of reinforces And I think this
is what really terrifies Rain is I think that Navarro
says earlier talking about Biorn's parents or mother, forget who
was who got killed because an android decided to save
twelve people and at the expense of four people dying,
and so that Andy in that same moment like, Okay,
I'm going to sacrifice this one person to save you too.
It wasn't really that exact scenario, but in her head.
It's close enough, like establishes that and like, shit, Andy,
this guy that I trust is my brother, I call
my brother is like acting this exact same way. It
is a very terrifying thought and puts you on edge
that like one simple thing can totally change this this
person to her because he really is more than just
a just a robot to her.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, and it's tougher Andy because he has like
sound the programming of the old Andy, but most of
it's being overridden by the Whalen stuff. So it's all though,
was just interesting, great stuff. I think they knocked at
the park there, so uh, sticking to that out of
break and then we'll be right back and we're back
Kirklantaven and Andy, we're going somewhere else.
Speaker 5: I really really liked this character.
Speaker 4: I liked how things kind of went sideways after he
got his upgrade.
Speaker 5: And I liked how.
Speaker 4: When they put that chip into him in the face
hugger room, his hands just go like out and he
just flips his head back.
Speaker 1: He's doing the GV big sign. That's what he was doing.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2: He was on the corridor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just they gotta wheel him around the whole
like on a on a trolley a cart, just like
he's gonna wake up any minute now. You know.
Speaker 4: I really liked when the face hugger is crawling on
the ceiling and gonna jump down the guy snock. You
don't want to be knocked out in that kind of
a room, But Andy just grabs the tail of the
thing and throws it and gets electrocuted in the ceiling.
Speaker 5: That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And then what's the character's name? Oh yeah, Navarro. They
did the same thing in Covenant where shit's hit the
fan and she just refuses to help Rain out at
the door and everything. So I was gonna I was
gonna major flashbacks to Covenant, like, oh no, we got
this character. It's gonna do something stupid, and she didn't
really end up she's gonna froze. But yeah, some some
allusions to that great movie. Anything else Andy or even
on Rain to talk about.
Speaker 3: One last Andy thing is that I liked his stupid
jokes that he would do for the movie. It was
just a little moment of levity, and I think it
was also easy, an easy thing for Bijorn to pick
on and to drive that kind of wedge between the mind.
I don't love that character necessarily, but you know, for
what it is, I think that was pretty purposeful. But
then for it to kind of come back in the
end and lead to that moment where he makes the
joke about anti gravity and that leads to her having
that idea, I think it was a really cool moment
and it really worked for me. So yeah, it was
just a little little element of personality. I love that
she knows of the punchlines to all these jokes because
she's probably heard them a million times too, so once
again just establishes their their love for each other. So
that's andy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I like the joke portion and yeah,
it's almost like what you said you're talking about in
the spoilers Kirk them with Rain, I was surprised at
how much earth stuff we go out. We saw a bit,
which we always know these companies are shady, but man,
what terrible mood or move You've worked up your hours,
you're ready to go transport thing. Oh no, today it's
moving up and they just go from seventeen twenty four thousand.
It's just like she says, you'll be there for like
five to six more years. It's just like imagine that thing.
You're finally out and then you know you're gonna go
buy a house, and then you go to buy and
the guy's like, no, actually it's a it's a triple
that amount now, so we'll come back again. And but yeah,
it was it was nice to I'd love to see
what they base the environments on the outside, because we
don't spend many time on planets and aliens, right like
in the movies, there are always ships and stuff, So
I'd love to see k where did they pull Just
there's like these big like yellow or the big like buildings,
but they're just like a big light pretty much like
the phone in the lighthouse. They're just like multiples of that.
So I enjoyed that and I think it was like
I liked the arc of we are talk about any
but just she lost her parents, she wants to gets
my thing. I think it went really fast to you
meet Rain, you meet her friends. They give this pitch
and she's gone, not even like a moment to like
think about oh could this script it. She's just like
she gets mad for a second. Then they say, oh,
well no it's gonna work, and like, okay, it's gonna work,
So I don't know if I would need more, but
it just felt like a little quick in the moment,
But I like the majority of all the stuff we
got with Rain as well and acting aside was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably a little quick, but it's hard to
blame anyone for wanting to get out of that situation
at all costs. Yeah, if they die in the sequence
to do it, but no, I totally agree. I think
that was to me a very fun world building thing
to get seeing this kind of mining colony and where
they are. Whether it's I couldn't tell if it was
because of the rotation of this planet and like the
where this mining colony is is just on like the
dark side of this planet, it never rotates, or if
it's just because like the thick atmosphere, but whatever reason,
I love that little It wasn't even the character line
saying it, but it was just like the description of
the planet. It was like, you know, seventy one light
years from Earth daylight per year zero. Yeah, not even
per day, just per year zero. I thought that was
like a great moment, just seeing that the harsh conditions
here they're talking about how like new diseases get invented
here every year pretty much because people are getting more
and more just fucked up. And even like that one
guy walks by with a little a canary and she's
just like, I think that's to her big motivator, just
being like, that's pretty much what I am. I no
better than just like a little tiny bird that they
throw in here just see if it's gonna die or not.
So yeah, all that stuff really worked for me. And
even though it was short glimpses of what a street
looks like, I'm excited to like go pause those scenes
and look in the background and see what kind of
buildings and I don't know he's there, like a cafe
or something. I doubt it, but maybe there's the background.
I really liked all that stuff there. It really it
was really cool world building stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no I mentioned in the spoiler free section. I
really love just seeing more of what's going on in
this world and just the effects of you know, we've
seen Wayland himself multiple times, but to just like see
way A like way farther down of like what his
influences of just his company, and I like just like
they have like a wailing utawny like because it's just
they own basically everything, and there's just like spray paint
just like fuck that or like like you know, it's
just like the psyche around the company is just like
they are basically the Empire, Like they're just like this
evil corporation and everything that we've seen them do, it's
basically that, like like you know, they're trying to get
this fucking zeno more if they're obsessed with it. So yeah,
I really, like I really just was I think surprised
about the amount of world building that we got from
from this. And it was a pleasure. It was a pleasure.
It was a I don't even know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You just do a pleasure, pleasure work for you.
Speaker 2: It sounded too short to say that. But and then yeah,
like when they get on the ship and fly up, Travis,
you mentioned like Starfield. I never played Starfield, but it
totally just like made me think of like a fun
like space adventures to get on.
Speaker 1: It was I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go buy an Xbox i can play my story.
But just like, yeah, this ragtag group of friends that
are just like going off on this adventure the way
they like dock the station when those doors first open,
and it's just like the event. I always just think
of alien isolation, like those events that are just fucking
sphincters essentially, And when it opens up, and it's just like.
Speaker 3: Even like the little crank shit dude, like the emergency
power you have to do it in the game all
the time, like hit it down three times for to
power up.
Speaker 2: So all of like as soon as they open the
door and it's just like you hear like an echo
and it's just like, noeled.
Speaker 3: By how narrow that corridor was that they've crawled through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I love the first act of this movie.
I again, like even just like the opening credits, how
they had like a similar font of what the first
movie had. It just they did such a great job
with yeah, just capturing that magic of what the first
movie had my opinion. So that was just a great like, Okay,
we're here, we're starting this movie. Let's do this.
Speaker 4: I just really appreciate the like I said earlier, the
attention to detail. Hearing all the different sounds too, Like
in the first I even say, like probably you know
the second or the third act, just when the pulse
rifles are firing off and just the doors and everything going,
like it's just so nice to hear the equality of
those sounds again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think that they did a really really
good job.
Speaker 4: It's so visually appealing and there's so many different things
in the background you're trying to like look at and.
Speaker 5: Just take in, like, oh, this is just so cool and.
Speaker 4: Like it's a mystery, right the story, and so you're
trying to see if you can spot things.
Speaker 5: And there's one, well, no, two shots that.
Speaker 4: I could remember where you kind of use your perpheral
vision something moves in the background, which I would have
loved that. There's a little bit more, but that's that's fine.
I enjoyed the ones that I got.
Speaker 1: Yes, not care for Bijorn at all before I forget,
I know, I like that they tried to do the
whole Yeah, like the synth, you know, chose these twelve
people over his parents. I just wish I don't know
if it was writing, directing, or the acting or Coumbo
ball three. I just thought they made him too generic.
I would have liked him to be a bit more
subtle and he could still like make it known that
he does not like robots. He's not like a like
a Mando thing, right where eventually they dropped that, but
like he does not like droids for X, Y and Z, right,
But eventually, to me, it was always a bit more
subtle in that show to begin with, and they transitioned.
I wish this movie had that where just every interaction
has with a human too. He's just like an asshole.
It's just like I don't usually other than if you
introduce to hear some bad people just get killed off.
I want to not want to see these people die.
And now that I'm rooting for him to die, but
it's like I don't care, and I'm almost like in
my mind, I'm like, I hope he's the first to go.
So his character's not around for a little bit. Fun
little revealed that he was the father of the child.
I guess, so he is the father of abomination. So
there you go. You got that going on. But I don't, well,
I so I don't think it's it's not said. But
when uh kay, when she gets down like uh Navarro,
she's dead, right, and then they've both somehow fall. They
both fall because the ship is moving, they both fall.
I think it's the way that she's walking back and
he grabs her mouth and like, oh, you know, she's
not a calm her down, but he doesn't just let go.
When he lets go, he like moves up and caresses
her face, and they have like this look to me
that and especially when uh, what's her name? Rain asks
like who's the fathers? Like, oh, just just some guy,
Like I think that they were, yeah, and that would
fit right, So I think they were having an affair
on the side, and that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Isn't that Tyler's sister and that isn't pure and his cousin.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's all fair in life.
Speaker 3: On the colony.
Speaker 5: What was the girl's name?
Speaker 1: Navarro?
Speaker 5: So she and I thought the cousin.
Speaker 2: I thought they had a relationship because yes, they're checking.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're just saying I guess I could be
wrong because they are cousin. Then if it is, then
that scene they played it off like romantically the way
they like, he like had her in close, and then
I guess they just have a close relationship as cousins,
unless it's.
Speaker 2: Close friends probably, or they're just terrified and they're touching
other's face, or.
Speaker 1: Is it like a cousin thing. That is it by
blood cousin or is it like like I have an
anti Donna but she's no way related to me. Yeah,
Like so I don't know. I'll wait and see more
in that. That's that's the vibe I was getting, especially
because like just certain things. But yeah, the Vigoran character,
I wish they just just ran a little more subtly.
That felt like an eighties throwback in a bad way
of all. This is just very in your face. This
is the asshole character. And you know, like the moment
where he did and I guess that's how that Demoor
got the electricity right when he did the hazering to it.
But I liked that scene, and I liked his death
of just rubbing acid further and it's just making it
worse and just a terrible way to go again. Might
be kind of done that. It's weird that he does that.
He sees the acid fall and they give him a
beat to acknowledge that, and then he's still just like
just yeah, so again, And it's like like, I wish
they just didn't make him see the acid then, right,
just make it that that's the first time he experienced.
Is it that oh shit, this is not just blood,
but yeah, all the rest of the characters I liked
to really liked him was one that I did not
enjoy at all, and that did bring the movie down
for me a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and then I also Navarro was a weird one,
just because the most recent trailer, which I hadn't seen
until I think the second time I went to see
Deadpool Wolverine and the I got the freaking trailer and
then it shows Navarro getting chest bursted in that, and
I was like, Okay, well, going into this movie, I
know this character is not gonna make it, so I
feel like I was immediately less invested.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also can't think of like a really standout moment
from that actor or character, and probably is like the
screen time out of anyone as well, So I don't
I don't think I have much to say about her. Unfortunately, Yeah,
she's just you know.
Speaker 2: Something that I thought was like, I don't want to
say waste of potential, but I feel like lost opportunity
was the the X ray light thing that they had
really underutilized. I thought like, like they show it off
in the trailer, I think you can like see it
in her chest and it's like a big moment where
like she shows on her arm and it's never used
again in the movie, and I'm like, I feel like
that could have been an interesting thing to just have
as a tool where, especially like later on with Key
if they're like, like, you know, just to check out
what is going on in her in her stomach, if
if they see that it is a baby and they
don't think anything of it, but it's got like a
tail or something you know, like like just like some
sort of thing, uh, to play on that device, because
it's something that I don't think it's been in the
universe up until this point, and it really is just yeah,
she just has it to see herself before like the
chest burs happened. So I feel like even when they
did use it, it wasn't like the best moment to
use it, Like it could have been used in a
more interesting way. I think it's just a cool gadget
that unfortunately it was underutilized.
Speaker 3: My mind, Yeah, I feel like that's an important part
of these movies, is just interesting, fun, weird tech. But yeah,
you're right, it feels like one of those things that
like they clearly foreshadow it when she's playing around with
it first, shit, oh cool. Yeah, and Rain is like, ah,
I don't touch anything. You don't know what any of
this stuff does. And then it feels weird for something
like that to be foreshadowed that early on but then
also be resolved or like the inciting event with it
is like very early on in the movie as well.
I wonder if there was something else that they had
in there and that either got cut or didn't really
make sense. She was the only character that was like
using them, I guess, so it wouldn't really make sense
forone else to use one. But yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 2: M Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: One other thing that you kind of mentioned there, Travis, Yeah,
I didn't think about the because I didn't notice the
alien that had the electric thing in his head, But
it makes sense that would be the one that got
hit by the baton. That human help in the chat
mentioned that too. I have we seen a pod like
that before that an alien is because we've always talked
about this, how the aliens that go from chest burster
to full zeno more pretty freaking fast. I never really
see like what exactly. Sometimes we see them feeding on someone,
where we see a corpse, and we can assume that,
but I can't recall seeing like a crystalis like coon
thing like this before. And obviously they went full like
Vagina visual with oh yeah, gaping hole on it. But yeah,
like has that appeared at all before?
Speaker 4: Not that I recall.
Speaker 3: I like it. I think it's a good addition. It's creepy,
it's weird, and obviously led into that good death scene
with Bjorn there, But yeah, I like that addition.
Speaker 5: I liked it.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 1: It's like a catapillar into a butterfly. You need another
stage to get to that big moment, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are we too?
Speaker 5: I guess?
Speaker 3: Are we assume that they always do this then in
every other movie when they go off screen and then
they come back as even something like going from that
baby to offspring like full offspring. Pretty quick transformation or
pretty quick growth. Considering that there was no cocoon quite
like that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess you'd have to assume because they just face
hugged like random humans. Right, it'd be different if this
was the one that was the abomination. You go, oh,
that's why this has this big different cocoon thing, because
it's a new breed, but it's just a face hugger
on a human, so I guess I imagine they do that.
I think it's I think the science with all these
movies of when the face hugger comes out, or the
levels of how quickly it changes, it's always different. So
I've just thrown it away because I just feel like
sometimes the people the face huggers just burst out right away,
or sometimes they go and get some dinner and they're
hanging out out where Navarro didn't really last that long,
even though I also did like that seat where they
were gonna they're trying to take it off. It's wrapping
it around the throat, and you know, Andy gives the
whole exposition of its matching the breathing. So that's at
least something good for now. But yeah, no, I like
the cuckoo thing enough. I liked the exit of it
as well, so m anything else in particular, I thought
I had something now, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple a couple of things we kind of
mentioned it. I did really like the zero gravity shoot
out into that sequence of having a stealth through all
that toxic goo. I don't know if there's much more
to say on that, but I enjoyed that question. Was
Kay jettisoned at the end, Like was she she wasn't
in the cargo thing. I'm just wondering, like, I don't
think it really matters, but I'm wondering if her body
is on board the ship at the end.
Speaker 1: I think it is very big. Her dead body is
hanging out there, but yeah, I think it's there. She
was and the loading bay there or whatever that bay
was down the below.
Speaker 3: So yeah, because presumably, yeah, if the if the room
with the pods is still around, then then so would she.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, they probably they probably threw off board.
You know, it's got to stink up the joints.
Speaker 3: It kind of thing I was wondering was with the
with thee with offspring, like I think now I think
offspring was just like feeding off her like a baby
does to a mother. But I wondered in that moment
if it was like impregnating her.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought too, And I'm like, this is
gonna be really messed up.
Speaker 3: Okay, the baby's still on board. We're gonna get a
whole nother thirty minutes of this movie going on here.
But that obviously didn't happen. But I guess it's possible
they could do that if.
Speaker 1: The offspring, and the offspring is gonna look really something as.
Speaker 4: Like she she was like feeling her her chest and
like pulled back, like you know when a woman has
a baby, they start to produce, and this case.
Speaker 1: It just say lacked eate. It's like it's just like
you made it worse by saying produced.
Speaker 5: It was just like uzzy slime. When she was like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that tar right, Yeah, that's where I.
Speaker 4: Was thinking, like, okay, then yeah, maybe it is coming
to feed off her. Maybe her skin is turning into like.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I thought that was just like
fucking the juices that came over.
Speaker 1: I was worried she was having like the alien acid
coming through her boobs and I was like, oh man,
it's gonna like that would be the milk is Yeah,
that's what I thought at first, because she was like
in pain. But that was just something. But overall, she
just had a terrible fate. All her friends die, Uh,
she gets stabbed. She's putting a cocoon thing for a
little bit, she gives birth, this thing, this thing kills
or eats her like tear like, I think she easily
had it the worst out of all them. Okay, easily
what she goes through one night, I'd rather much just
be fucking.
Speaker 3: That thing and still being alive. Most people the chest
burst and then you're dead, so it's like, yeah, that
was awful, but at least I'm dead now. But that's
like to see that is just terrifying.
Speaker 1: And also that egg was much bigger than most children
would be, so even her body would be in lots
of pain.
Speaker 3: We saw the bag was filled with the toxic fluid,
so I'm sure some of it got out and just
singed her on the way out.
Speaker 1: Not good.
Speaker 4: I just think it was like, obviously Rain really really
missed Andy and wanted to go save him, but I
think that she should not have just sent this half
injured woman on a ship with Zeno's like, oh, go
back up to the ship, take this goop. Which another
thing I didn't like was when they were trying to
escape from the hive and Andy was down and then
Rain takes key and they're moving and she's still holding
the black goop Like that was never her objective or
her mission, So I don't know why she cares.
Speaker 2: I'm completely with you too. This is something that bugs
because like why, like she wasn't even really conscious, She
wasn't really conscious conscious of what was going on when
they were like talking about the needle too write, Like
they just kind of get her up and she just
is carrying device like she's got rook on an ear
piece telling her what to do. Like it just seems
so bizarre that she was the one that was just
like carrying this and then eventually just grabs it like
I'm just gonna fucking stab myself in the neck. I'm like,
did she they her this conversation?
Speaker 1: Her brother did say this would help her write. And
then that's when Andy's like, well, we share twenty five
percent DNA, so there's a chance. So yes, but I
agree with you. Is it a little faulty. Yeah, But
if you were in a moment of like I I
could take this and live or I'm just gonna die,
what's it gonna be? And she did it in the
right motivations because she's doing it to help her friends, right,
she could have just win in the pod, hit the
because that's what she was told, So she could have
hit the pod, went to sleep gone. That's what what
was it Rain told her to do. But that was
her trying to go the extra mile to help the
people she cared about. Well, well I'm gonna take this thing,
you know.
Speaker 2: But I think it was just her being like the
flag bear. It just didn't make sense to me to
carry this heavy. It didn't look light. The thing of
like the objects when she's already on death story seemed weird.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like the timeline of exactly
when the chip was taken out of Andy, because maybe
that's the idea of bringing it with you, is so
that Andy will still work with you and try and
keep you alive.
Speaker 5: Well, Andy was knocked up on the ground.
Speaker 1: Here, right, he's shaking. Yeah, still kept but.
Speaker 3: You didn't think he was down and out. He figured
that he would still be around, presumably.
Speaker 1: I was also just surprised in general that they kept it.
I actually thought the end, Casey Spiney was gonna dump
it in front of Rook like it's like a fuck you, Like,
oh you worked on this and throw it. But we
never I don't know if we got like a full answer.
It's like Kay's body, It's just it's just somewhere on
the ship, right, the stuff. So, like I said, I
imagine it might be sequel bait which human help bass.
Would you like a sequel to this movie? I don't know.
I wouldn't mind if they said Fetti was coming back.
And I feel like the way they have the speech
at the end of like, I don't know why you'd
be like, we're going on this adventure and who knows
what's out there? But it's like, well, I feel like,
hopefully after you've fought these aliens, nothing else is out there,
Like it's not a world where you're always It's not
Star Wars. We were bumping in the things all the time.
So I felt like between her little speech there and
them having that stuff and Andy being alive, you know,
that could be the case. But who knows. Maybe the
sequel picks up and she's in a cave she'd be
experimented on for years and like, oh, that's the end
of Rain's story and you know we've been there before.
But I I don't know. I'm in a weird spot
because it's kind of like the do you just I
think it gets too close to Ripley again, you know,
I like it as a one off, it's like the
same thing as like if people know this franchise, like
die Hard, the first one is John McClain. He's just
a regular call that happens to bump into a terrorist situation.
Then there's four other movies where he just happens to
keep bumping into terrorst situations and they're eventually okay, how
many times can this cop do this? And I feel
like they'd be the same way with Rain if for
some reason she has brought back in Aliens, It's like, well,
that's literally just Ripley again. So I would like more
Alien stuff, even if it was Fetti doing it. But
I don't know if I would need a continuation of
these characters per se. I'm happy for them just to
get a semi happy ending. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, considering how much not a fanom of Aliens three
or Resurrected makes me worried that if we're kind of
going down, like considering this the remake, even though it's
a sequel, still a remake, and like following that those
foots up, like yes, I do want I like Hyry Spainey.
I'd love for her to stick around do more, but
like I kind of want her go to other stuff.
And I think want Fedi to go do something else
as well, rather than another alien thing. Even if we
did get a sequel, I think i'd want someone else
on it, just because I want him to go do.
Speaker 1: When we're his Marvel's after him. That's the hot rumor
right now. So yeah, cool, get Foggy saw this and
is it though, No, I don't know if I want that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'll take it, but I don't want
him to get locked.
Speaker 1: Unless they just, yeah, unless they just saun down said, hey,
you're gonna make Midnight Suns and we're just gonna let
you rip.
Speaker 3: We're really not getting doctor Strange three.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Blade even just let him do the like
For me with FEddi, it has to be like, uh,
you kind of gotta let him do his stuff. I
don't want like it's a studio movie, but I don't
want like director mandated Fetti Alvarez, you know, and I
just don't like Yeah, honestly, like people might not like
to hear this, but like, I think if he had
to pick a combook route, DC would be better because
I feel like Gun would get his like weirdisms more
than a fig he would, right, Like, I just don't
I don't look at Fetti. I get why they might
want him, right, because this movie's getting good critical reviews.
He's had lots of good movies. But I don't look
at this don't breathe and eel dem be like, oh,
that's an MCU director, Like I don't think that at all.
I think he'd be too chained up. But they never know.
Speaker 5: What else.
Speaker 3: One thing we kind of mentioned but not really is
I just loved the space elements of this, because we
talked about that through the retro that some of these
you kind of forget they even take place in space
at times, or even in the early ones, just with
budget or just special effects limitations, you'll get like very
limited shots of a spaceship flying around. But I really
liked what we got here, like when we exit the planet,
just into space there seeing the rings for the time
it was in the trailer, but it was still to
see on the big screen. I thought looked really really cool.
I liked all this the stuff of like the spaceship
kind of having to dock and undock again and again,
and just seeing these shots from the exterior of the
Romulus Remiss ship here and then just the concept of
this meteor ring around this being like an inherent timer
of how long they have on this mission before it
just crashes into this ring. I think it's a really fun,
like space sci fi idea that I can't think I've
can't think of another time I've seen that before. And
for me, that really worked. And once like the ship
gets hit and then it like takes that timer from
whatever it was seventy two hours down like forty minutes
is just it's just amazing. And then well we're actually
getting that superence at the end where the romulus is
crashing into it and just slowly burning away, and that's
when Rook gets destroyed there and then the our ship,
our people's ship is starting to fall back into it.
All that stuff. I think it looked really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, officially looked good too, Like I feel like we've
seen sequences like that before and we're like, oh, like
to the budget got stretched way too thin here, but
it all looked good. Like there's maybe a few moments
where case spinning, like in the outfit you can see
a little bit, but like, no, it like was stunning stuff.
So yeah, well let's take our final ad break and
we'll probably get some final notes, final thoughts, and ratings
will be right back, and we're back. I think I
have used up all my notes. Her biggest talking points
for myself.
Speaker 5: I got one more con for me.
Speaker 1: Well, radicons, you get two.
Speaker 5: Was climbing up the ladder shaft.
Speaker 4: She was chasing after Andy, and then the gravity shuts
off and she falls Andy. And when she falls as
Zeno morph catches her, this is the one with the
electrical skull, which.
Speaker 1: Would just break her back entirely. Yeah, she she would
be paralyzed in real life, but of course it's a.
Speaker 2: Movie, right. It was like perfect, perfect.
Speaker 1: The rate she's falling in that tail. No, man's like
the whiplash.
Speaker 4: Sure, the scene went just too long for the sense
like I couldn't tell what the intentions of the xenomorph
were because there were other ones that were racing up
down below, but this one like put her and set
her down, And I started to think, like, man did
key like turn into this alien from the Black goop
and it was like on their side now, Like.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: It was such a long scene that I really wasn't
able to figure out what was going on.
Speaker 5: And I think at the end of it.
Speaker 4: They were trying to set up the fact that, okay,
the Zeno even when the elevator shot down and then
the z know, like pops its head back and it's like, okay,
still just the two of them. Zeno wanted to keep
her so that the face Hugger could jump onto her
and impregnator, I guess, But it was just done in
a weird way. Like the alien felt just like the
hero in this sense. I feel like I would have
loved it if the alien like didn't put her down
with the tail, but like grabbed her and was holding
her against the wall and like then like looking at
the face Hugger, at the face hugger crawling over.
Speaker 5: It just felt too friendly.
Speaker 4: It felt like good guys, you know, which is just
really really was weird.
Speaker 3: So I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't think it was friendly. I just
didn't love it. I wish there was a different way.
Just throw a net there, I thought that, I thought.
And he was gonna make the sacrifice, play there and
do something where he was gonna somehow propel her to
the side, and then he fell and you know, he
still got up there. So yeah, I don't know there
was just it's like they won this cool set piece
of her falling down the shaft, but they didn't know that, Well,
what if the alien catches her? You know, it's like
all right then I feel like if it catches her, though,
it should be like a catch automatically, then catch attack,
a catch face hugger, not like a put it down.
Maybe that's something like like what we were talking about earlier,
Like some other personalities, I guess this one was, yeah,
a little bit, I want to see what's going on,
but yeah, it's just a little a little awkward.
Speaker 2: I think I didn't mind it. I I took in
the sense of like she's fall into her doom and
she gets catched by something. But it's like, fuck, I
wish I was falling, you know, like I wish I
just died from the impact of the fall. Let alone,
he caught caught by a xenomorph and then his buddy
face hugger magoo over here is gonna come in here
and finish me off. I I don't know. That's kind
of how I took it. And it wasn't that long
of a sequence in what I'm thinking back on it,
but maybe it was. I don't know, it didn't play that.
Speaker 1: Bad anything else, specifically Kirkling.
Speaker 3: You got anymore.
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised overall how many xenimorse we had,
like because we only really see I mean, we don't
get a lot of like body shots with the xenomorphs
overall in the movie, but it's mostly just like the
one we see. And then when I think it's the
sequence when Tyler gets propelled up in the air by
the the one and then he looks over and there's
just like three running at him, it's like, holy fuck,
like their numbers just like multiplied up at Ying Yang.
And it was weird because there was some moments that
made me think of like aliens when I guess specifically
when Rain is raining pain on the on the xenomorphs
when she hits the gravity and that's when you get
the nice zero gravity acid pirouet she's doing dodging that.
But like, other than that, there's not a lot of
like moments I think with multiple xenomorphs in the movie.
So it felt like I felt like there was a
lack of xenomorphs, even though I know there was quite
a few in there. In some weird ways, so I
don't know if it's really a con. It's just like
an observation I have, and definitely on a next another viewing,
I think I'll just have a bitter idea of how
a feeling on that. It was just surprising, I think,
to see that many part of me when we do
see them and then yeah, they just kind of just
float away with bullets to their brains. I guess, yeah,
not the way you want to float. We gun though,
I will shout that up. Kind of already talked about
it with the auto and everything, but just cool, cool,
little like gear up moment too. I liked how like
Tyler's like, yeah, you do this, get on your shoulder,
you got auto aim, and then Andy's like, yeah, you're
not gonna want to use that like at all. Yeah again,
like kind of similar to it was Aliens right when
they're like, we gotta take all your guns away, can't
shoot in there. So I kind of agree with what
you said, Travis, how it felt like this movie was
able to capture a lot of like elements out of
pretty much all of the alien movies, like specifically the
alien movies, which I do appreciate, especially that we're you know,
went through the retro so they're fresh in our minds
mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple other things like that one from the
first Alien then these appear all over Alien Isolation is
like that little bird water dipper thing. I don't know,
Oh yeah, call that, but it was at the beginning
when when Rain and Andy were just having a meal is
at their table there, So that was that was a
funny little little thing there. And then we kind of
talked about this, but not really a lot. It's just
the score, which I thought was really fantastic in this movie.
Of course, it gets all the suspense, intense, horror scary
stuff straight, gets it straight. I don't know if that's
the right word for it, gets it right. But then
I also feel like some of the stuff, particularly the
space sequences, really kind of hard back to that Goldsmith
type of tone that he has that really just is
so unique and interesting. I can't even describe it. It's
just something totally unique for a movie like this, and
so I kind of liked that it felt like a
callback but still like tasteful and new at the same time. So, yeah,
score was very good, very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's done a lot. I can't remember if he
was on play Runner. But my favorite score of his
he did the it with machete. Then I really like
his it stuff, so.
Speaker 3: It was all my else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor. Final thoughts and raining over there.
Speaker 3: A final thoughts.
Speaker 4: I went in with expectations just being a little bit higher,
and I think maybe that's my own my own fault,
because I was thinking, like, oh, it's it's Fede and
we got evil dead yeah, and don't breathe and there's
so there's a certain expectation going into this that I
was looking forward to. And while I will stand by
that first and second act, like, visually, everything in this
movie is fantastic. The story beats in those first two
acts are fantastic.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: And it just is nice to get a little bit
more of a new light on just the world building
vibe that this movie presents and in this universe with
Wil and Utani and just more of like the civilian
life on this colonized planet and.
Speaker 5: A lot of those little things.
Speaker 4: Uh and yeah, just the attention to detail and just
getting to see the practical effects of the zenos was cool.
But the third act just does pull me out a bit.
And maybe it's just because I'm not a big fan
of just the it felt like Resurrection. It felt like
a comb and the stuff that I'm not really big
on from the Prometheus and coming to movies with Resurrection
and the whole that whole thing, I just wasn't really
speaking to me. That being said, I think I'm gonna probably.
Speaker 1: Go, oh, I M.
Speaker 5: This is tricky.
Speaker 2: It's tricky while riding on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if the cast, if you don't have the
right number.
Speaker 4: I think I might go seven point seven five out
of ten.
Speaker 1: Seven point seven five. All right, there you go, mister Muss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I this is a fun discussion. I feel like
I got some questions answered, and you know, came away
a little more negative on some things and pausedive other
things I hadn't noticed. Overall those is a really really
fun movie. I'm excited to rewatch it when it hits
uh Disney Plus sometime down the road. I think I'm
gonna give it a eight point seven, not.
Speaker 1: The same five I eight. M There you go, mister Patzer.
Speaker 2: Mister me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think through our discussion, similar to what Dylan said,
I was, I like became more positive and then also
more negative in different areas of the film. But for
the most part, No, this was this was a fantastic
film for me. And yeah, as I confusingly said it earlier,
it's like it was disappointing in the like the scary level,
but like also the opposite of of whatever that would
be is it was a nice, pleasant surprise on like
how much of the alienism So I was able to
hold from this one.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe a surprise gem in that way. I don't
know how else you would label this movie. It's just
like a confusing conglomeration of of a good time for me.
So I definitely think, Yeah, I just can't wait to
rewatch this movie, I think, and just jump back into
this universe. And yeah, I think a lot writing on this.
As we just said, I think I'll do nine point
three on this one. I don't know if I've ever
given that rating before, but it's a confusing rating because
I kind of feel confused on how I feel overall
on this one. But no, great time, really really good job.
And I didn't really answer the question, but like what
I want to sequel of this, No, I don't think.
So it's a great containing story in and of itself.
I just I don't want this to be my last
alien movie by any means. Like seeing this, it's like, okay,
they can they can do it, Like they can totally
do a modern version of an older movie. Like even
just I didn't mention this earlier, but just even comparing
like the tech to something like Prometheus or having it
like that's why, Like it feels really far away from
those movies in some weird way, even those you know
they're older movies, but this one's based right after the
first well actually Promethea's Coming is based before the first Alien,
so it's kind of weird the difference in the like.
Speaker 3: That's really high tech like holograms and stuff, and Prometheus
then maybe don't Yeah, shouldn't be there honestly in mindsight.
Speaker 2: No, definitely. Yeah, it's it's funny to compare those, but
uh yeah, no, great film. I had a fun time
with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a solid I think just I think just nine.
For me, I'll go like you guys, I'll go a
nine point two five because I was never at a ten.
But for when we started this reviewing the whole time, Okay,
it's a nine point five, nine point five, And then
I think when we start talking about like, oh, there's this,
there's that, little things here and there. So that's where
I feel like i'd need one more rewatch the slid
of Fly. Okay, is it nine point five or nine?
But that's where right now I'll go for a nine
point five. It'd be like a five. I'd say it'd
be like a four point five and a five on
the letterbox. So no, like I said, my expectations were met,
it's still I would still put like the twenty thirteen
Evel Dead above this for like what I love Fetti
for the most. But this is a great addition. This
is gonna rank I won't say wherevery I think will
rank pretty high when we get to the Alien rankings.
And this to me is like a I consider it
like a win. It's like a big win. So yeah,
I'm very happy with this and see what happens after this,
but I'm I'm excited to rewatch it again in the
future and add this to collection. I feel, as I
said before, that I don't watch all the alien movies.
There's certain ones I select to watch, and this will
be one that I will go out of my way
to select to watch in the future. So well, lay Jen,
we have done it. Like we said. Next week we'll
be back with some rankings to close off the Alien
Red Show and we'll see where the chips lie. Where
does this rank among the other ones? Goon to find out.
Thank to everyone that listened. Hope you enjoyed the review,
the movie, Alli good Jazz, and when you're here for
us next it'll I'll be boring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peace,