WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:18.239 There are those right now that are questioning whether you're 2 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:19.519 gonna with stand the big Man. 3 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:22.559 Well, sure about those people, man, I don't care about 4 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:25.000 those people that aren't start craving the hulk of maniacs. 5 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:29.160 I could care less what they think. I'm fighting for life, brother, 6 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:33.159 I'm fighting for all those people that have remolded their lives. Man, 7 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:37.119 I'm not after haul Camania. Get their priority to an order. Man. 8 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:38.799 Walk around with a lot of pride. 9 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.240 As far as those people that are on Andre the 10 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.119 Giant's side, I wish he'd come on down to and 11 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:46.200 I to sap them around, just for a warm up. 12 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.520 But I've already gone through my transformation. Man, I'm ready 13 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:50.560 for Pontiac, Michigan. 14 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:52.880 I'm not the hawk anymore. I'm the hawk. 15 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.439 Come man, looking to my eyes. Man, I'm on that 16 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.920 mountaintop and I'm waiting for you Andre. Now, I'm guarding 17 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.079 that mountain in the halls to the garden. You've got 18 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.040 thirty two neck, I's sixty four as jet is the 19 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.079 largest armed in the world. 20 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:10.959 And I'm here to. 21 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:15.599 Speak in destroy, Speak in destroy the cancer a bandering 22 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.400 at the time, speak and destroy the weevil the empire 23 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.319 and what you gonna do Andre and Pontiac Michigan un 24 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.799 Hawk Commania destroys you. 25 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:32.120 And now for your hosts, Michael Gross and Sean Bush. 26 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.640 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Russell Magic. 27 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:37.840 That's a night. I've got my good friend Sean bush 28 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.079 Back who's just come into the studio, and we're talking 29 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:44.680 about really the impact of the death of hul Cogan. 30 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:46.760 And I know that's like very hard to say what 31 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:48.719 was the impact of the death. We have to also 32 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.280 look at the impact of the life. We're not here 33 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:54.280 to do a whole retrospective on everything he's done in 34 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:56.239 his career, but we are going to talk about highlights, 35 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.120 and unfortunately, we're gonna talk about low lights. And I 36 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:03.239 really want to actually start off by saying that, you know, 37 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.920 I love our producer Jimmy Street for everything he does. 38 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:07.480 And I also want to say that I love my 39 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.240 co host Sean Bush because Sean is amazing and he 40 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:12.360 has a great wrestling mind. And so it's great to 41 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.719 actually have this banter and go back and forth and 42 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:17.840 talk about what we felt was impactful and not really 43 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:22.879 so impactful and what really outright buried companies. So today 44 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.560 I want to welcome everybody to Sean Bush. 45 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:27.800 Sean, Hello, I love you too. 46 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:32.960 It's great to have you on this show. 47 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:34.879 Thank you very very nice words. 48 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.000 Well, you know, ever since Rocky took a sabbatical, you've 49 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:39.919 been like a good co host to me, And I 50 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:41.960 think that because we know each other so well, that 51 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.319 we can actually do everything in the studio and kind 52 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.840 of get out what we feel about things. So I 53 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:49.759 would like to ask you your first impressions growing up 54 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:50.919 about hul Cogan. 55 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.439 What art there? Good lord? 56 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.800 H Well, before I even really knew what wrestling was 57 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.719 as an art forum, I mean, was there. He's just 58 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.840 been in the cultural zeitgeist for my entire life. 59 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.120 I was born, Uh what was it. 60 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.280 I was born on twenty fourth, so it's of March 61 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:11.680 in eighty seven, so it's like a week before. It 62 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.080 was the tuesday before WrestleMania three. So that was literally 63 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:20.520 the first biggest like cultural event in my lifetime. 64 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:22.520 You know, I was, you know, four and five days 65 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.039 old whatever it was at that point. 66 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:28.639 Obviously I don't remember that, but I mean going back 67 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.719 to I mean movies, you know, I remember even seeing 68 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:33.120 them in one of three Ninja's movies. 69 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.319 At some Pointy which he had hair. He had hair 70 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.520 in that movie. Can you believe it spray on? Yeh. 71 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.080 But WrestleMania three, I mean, I it's one of those 72 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.520 things in life where you know, you've got great movies 73 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.879 that you love, or you know, records that you love, 74 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.639 and sort of you can never really go back and 75 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.639 listen to or watch those films again for the first 76 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:59.560 time like you did. And WrestleMania three against Andre is kind. 77 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:00.759 Of like that. As far as a. 78 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.599 Wrestling fan, I grew up to be a bit more 79 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:08.719 into the sort of technical style of wrestling myself, but 80 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.919 from the early days, I mean, watching that match, I 81 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.520 can still kind of remember, maybe not where I was, 82 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:20.279 but the feeling I felt, the epicness, the bigness of 83 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.319 the moment watching that match, you know, fifteen years later 84 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:25.720 or whatever it was, you know, or you know, probably 85 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:27.680 more like ten years later or something like that, when 86 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.279 I could find it years ago when I was a kid, 87 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:31.959 but it was surreal. 88 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.720 It was just one of those matches. It's one of 89 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.040 the biggest. 90 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.959 And probably most important matches in the history of pro wrestling, 91 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.480 and likewise, Hulk Cogan and Andre of course, but you know, 92 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.560 we're talking about the Hulkster today, and I don't think 93 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:48.360 anybody can really deny his you know, legacy, his impact. 94 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:50.920 I absolutely agree with you on that because, like I'm 95 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.199 not a Hogan fan. When I grew up, I'm obviously 96 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.120 a little bit older than you. And I watched the 97 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.439 NWA on Saturday night, so I saw Rick Flair, so 98 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.920 I saw wrestling versus sports entertainment, and it was very 99 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.759 interesting to see the two pit each other against each other. 100 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:09.639 It was so much fun, but it was crazy at 101 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:13.800 the time also to see Hogan going against these larger 102 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.959 than life opponents and let's list them off, Andre the 103 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:23.360 Walking Condominium, King Kong, Bundy, the Walking Egg. Yeah basically yeah, 104 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.240 that was his nickname. Though how did Bundy ever get pinned? 105 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.040 You know, I don't think his shoulders could ever touched 106 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:28.480 the mask. 107 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.319 You His whole gimmick was he had to pin somebody 108 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.839 for five seconds instead of three. I loved it, something 109 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.600 that I wish they should do with Bronze and Reed today. 110 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.560 But anyway, I digress, because this is about Hogan, so 111 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.920 big John stud it was everybody who was ginormous. And 112 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:47.600 then I remember. 113 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:52.879 I actually I hate Button, but somebody the other day. 114 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:54.600 You know, this is a couple of days after Hogan 115 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.120 passed away. I had listened already to a few different 116 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.720 you know, reactions, but somebody made a point that I 117 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.240 hadn't thought about before. You just named these guys and 118 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.399 other guys that they thought that were giants. 119 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:05.800 That were huge. 120 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.879 It was also huge six seven, three hundred you know whatever, 121 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.319 it was forty pounds or something, three thirty. 122 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:16.439 Ginormous baby face like he was at the time. I 123 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:17.399 mean he was. 124 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.360 It's rare that it's a baby is that, you know, 125 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.319 kind of as you know, they're to fight from them, 126 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:25.839 you know, underneath, to you know, to to be able 127 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.000 to fight from up, you know, off the that at 128 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.800 a at a villain, at a bad guy. 129 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.600 Which actually, you make a really good point because more 130 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.319 of today's modern wrestling is scientific. If you know chain 131 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.759 wrestling and you have a medium build, you can beat 132 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.120 a much larger person. But uh, this wasn't today's wrestling. 133 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:48.000 So Hogan, I just remember he always fought everybody. Kamala. 134 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:50.800 They brought Kamala up from Memphis to fight him, and 135 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:55.160 my boys. Oh I love Kamala, Sugar Bear Harris, Sugar 136 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:59.560 Bear Harris. But getting into What is really important about 137 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:01.519 the legacy see of what hul Cogan did is the 138 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:03.800 fact that he was one of the first wrestlers at 139 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.079 his size, which was a ginormous size at the time, 140 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.160 that they said, Okay, we could put him against Andre 141 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.120 and then we could put him against Lawler in Memphis, 142 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:16.920 and then we could ship him off to Portland and 143 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.399 he can learn some new things from Buddy Rose and 144 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:21.680 a few other people there. And believe it or not, 145 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:25.040 people playboy Buddy Rose was pretty amazing if you watched 146 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.519 what he could do as far as chain wrestling. So 147 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:32.000 he was a project person and he was discovered in Florida. 148 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.879 We both know this. And he was trained by Hiro Matsuda. 149 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.720 And the whole thing was he always said in his 150 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.560 interviews that his first day, Hiro Matsuda broke his leg. 151 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.160 Then there's other stories like, well he came back eight 152 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.759 weeks later. You're not coming back eight weeks later from 153 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:47.519 a broken leg. 154 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:53.519 Okay, maybe in nineteen eighty or whatever it was eighty one, mate. 155 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.759 Well, what did Chris Rock You say, pour the testinon it. 156 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:56.879 Just pour the testing on it. 157 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.160 So I buy that that happened. I know. 158 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.680 Hogan's like famous for his you know, degenerations that I 159 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.199 buy that Metsuita probably did actually break his way. 160 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:10.480 We will get to that. But yeah, so seriously, he 161 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.879 was They say that he had a broken leg. Now 162 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.519 historians and analysts say it was just sprained and he 163 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:18.839 could get back on it. Whatever. The point is, he 164 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.160 blew up, and he blew up huge, and so he 165 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:24.920 moved from Florida up to Memphis. And then you weren't 166 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:30.160 anybody back then because there was WWF was WWWF back then, 167 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.120 and it was way up. It was a territory, it 168 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.360 was it was different. And so you know, if you 169 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.399 worked Lawlor, that was like the biggest thing in the 170 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.519 world at that point. You worked Lawlor Fargo all the 171 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.759 people in Memphis because that was the capital of wrestling 172 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.080 at that time in the world. Now do you know 173 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.200 anything about his so called musical history. 174 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.360 I know a bit about his musical history. I know 175 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.279 the fact that he is a legitimate you know, as 176 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.120 far as I know. And I'm a musician myself, but 177 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.639 you know, a pretty decent musician, you know, pretty good 178 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.399 bass player for a number of years. 179 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.320 For what that's worth. A bass players get a lot 180 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.679 of flack. But yeah, from what I've seen, I think 181 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:10.960 he was. 182 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:14.120 I don't know much about his history, but from what 183 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.320 I can tell, you know, gleaning over the years, it 184 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.720 seems like he was a pretty competent musician. 185 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:23.360 Well, obviously in Memphis, that's when he met Jimmy Hart, 186 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.279 and that's when Jimmy Hart and the Gentries actually had 187 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:29.120 a number one hit. People don't know that, some people 188 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:30.759 do you know it? 189 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:31.799 Well? 190 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.240 Yeah, I mean if you're wrestling historian, you do. If 191 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.480 you're not, you don't. And so there was a little 192 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.960 bond there, and then of course it was time for 193 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.039 the Big Hulk to keep moving around. Now he went 194 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.519 by several different names. Do you have any of those 195 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:45.159 names on you? 196 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:49.639 Terry Boulder, that's the best one, Terry Bold. And then 197 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:53.840 his little brother right was a booty. 198 00:09:53.519 --> 00:10:00.440 Man, Dizzy Hogan. And let's not forget that he was 199 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.200 also Sterling Gold. And he would shave. He would shave 200 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.200 his chest hair into a tornado. 201 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:09.960 I've seen those pictures. 202 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.399 Oh, it's so funny. It's like who would do And 203 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:13.960 it's so like lopside. 204 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.279 That's just the thing being him with chest hair or 205 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.000 something like that. The visual itself, I mean, you're we're 206 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.919 so removed from that time period would be more so. 207 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.879 But you know, to see him looking like any other 208 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:32.159 way than he did, you know traditionally the red and 209 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:36.919 yellow and then later but it's so weird. It's such 210 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:39.360 a strange thing. You've used to wear blue. I guess 211 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.159 was it white even? I think, yeah, we're white trunks. 212 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:49.120 Maybe that was in Rocky Thunderlips. Yeah, yeah, another great name. 213 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.279 Why didn't they use that? Where was that gimmick? 214 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.360 That should be my new email? Like Thunderlips that, you know, 215 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.720 because someone probably has that and we don't want them 216 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.399 to get like fire bombed. But getting back to the 217 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.440 situation of Hogan is he he did a lot of 218 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.360 things as far as making the business better because Vince 219 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.399 McMahon saw something in him. He was stolen from vern Gania, 220 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.559 and that's because vern Gania had all the big men 221 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:17.200 and he was taking them one by one. That's Vince McMahon. 222 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:20.919 Excuse me pronounce pal. Vince was stealing all the big 223 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.879 men that Vern had, and so vern was left with 224 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:28.759 a lot of anemic, smallot characters. But Hogan was the 225 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:32.919 most impactful because I guess Vince saw him and said, okay, 226 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.200 I can do something with him. Now, Oh my gosh, 227 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.360 he was the only person at that size, that six seven, 228 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.679 three hundred that was taking care of himself. 229 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.679 Yeah, just like impressive. I mean the guy he must 230 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.879 have been. It must have been incredible seeing the guy in. 231 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.200 A room for the first time. Just the impressiveness of 232 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:53.039 his figure. 233 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:57.320 I can't fathom, Like if he walked into a room, 234 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.480 how big he is, Like does he duck going through 235 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:02.600 the doorway? And now what people do not know is 236 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:06.120 that Hogan wrestled as a heel for so many years 237 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.600 before he makes his big break in nineteen eighty four, 238 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.679 before Vince saw the dollar signs on him, he was 239 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:16.559 a heel everywhere and his number one opponent Andre. 240 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:19.879 Number I was going to say, I wasn't sure if 241 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.120 he wanted me to go on and answer to that. 242 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:26.240 But before the first time he slammed Andre, Oh. 243 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:29.879 Yeah, oh yeah, and uh, it was because he was 244 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:32.279 strong enough to do it even though he was smaller 245 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.000 than Andre. They're trying to create a story, and I 246 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.960 don't know if Vince McMahon was writing a story that 247 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.159 would later become wrestle Mania three. 248 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.039 You're giving him the triple H long term storytelling the credit. 249 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.080 That's like a fifteen year story run. 250 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:53.159 End up happening. 251 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.039 I mean, I will, you know, just for jump off 252 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:59.080 for one second, recently saying hang man page. 253 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:00.320 When the aw title back. 254 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.320 I couldn't have seen Tony Kahn writing that four years ago, 255 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.559 whatever it was when he wanted full gear the first time. 256 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.799 But you know, sometimes wrestling has a way of winding 257 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.120 itself back around, and you've got a character that kind 258 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.519 of rises back up to the top at the right time, 259 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.360 and it sort of completes that Art Koe Rhoades did something, 260 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:18.519 you know, quite similar. 261 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.559 But these things happen. Sometimes they're just it's a happy accident. 262 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.559 That's a great way of putting it. Sometimes if there's 263 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:27.759 a train wreck, you shouldn't look at it, but you 264 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:29.519 can't help but look, and all of a sudden you 265 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:32.440 get hooked at seeing what you're seeing. And that's what 266 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.919 Hogan's I don't want to say his legacy, but what 267 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.960 his career was. So I want to talk a little 268 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.679 bit more about some of Do you have any favorite 269 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:41.639 Hogan matches? 270 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.840 I mean, the favorite is Wrestlemanny three against andre I 271 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.480 know that's probably the cheapest answer anybody could give in 272 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.039 that category. But I just don't see how it's not. 273 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.879 It's it's so huge as a match, as a moment, 274 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:00.840 and I would say even somewhat just the sports sense, 275 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.799 like a real sports sense, at least in the United States. 276 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:07.240 But a lot of the rest of my favorites really 277 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.120 came sort of later on in his career when he 278 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.360 was in WCW. I remember the cage match between him 279 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.720 and Flaired Uncensored. I want to say ninety nine that 280 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.039 yours truly attended with some old friends, you know, when 281 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:21.759 we were about twelve years old. That was a good one, 282 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.080 probably amplified by the fact that we were there alive 283 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:29.039 and Freedom Hall for it. And then the Rocky match, 284 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.919 which I don't know if it gets the right amount 285 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.120 or not as enough credit. To be honest with you, 286 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.519 sometimes it seems one way, sometimes it seems to the other. 287 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:42.600 But too you know, I was never a same that 288 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.159 you said earlier. I was never really that big of 289 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.919 a Hogan fan growing up. I just liked the other 290 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.200 guys around him, and especially when he got to the nWo, 291 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.879 I wasn't an nWo guy. I wanted to see Sting 292 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:58.799 and DDP take him down and sort of similarly with Rocky, 293 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.120 you know, recognize how great he was, but he was 294 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:02.799 never one of my. 295 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:04.080 Favorite guys that I like to cheer for. 296 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.720 But to go back and and even we watched this match, 297 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:09.440 you know, live when we were kids, on pay per 298 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.080 view too, but you know, going back now, it's just 299 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:17.120 one of those matches that the crowd is completely into it. 300 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:21.120 You know, these guys are probably, if not top to 301 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:25.360 top three or four, you know pro wrestling stars that 302 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.039 you know, definitely the top two that turned into like cultural, 303 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.399 you know, more icons. I would still argue, exactly, it's 304 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.519 got that over Rocky. I know, Rockies massive these days, 305 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.720 and maybe it's you know, recency bias for a lot 306 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.600 of people, but I still don't think that he's managed 307 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.080 to kind of eclipse the shadow that sort of Hogan's 308 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.519 kind of big, wide cultural figure cast. 309 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:49.519 You know, what I think is really interesting is with 310 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:55.080 Vince McMahon's ability in the eighties to always trademark everything. 311 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.440 He could never trade mark Hulk Hogan because the word 312 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.000 hulk is owned by Marvel Studios. People don't know this. 313 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:04.200 That's why he could always be whole Kokan not be 314 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.279 Terry Blay again or Sterling golden again, Lord forbid and 315 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.399 not have Dizzy Hogan. Oh, dear Lord, we wouldn't. 316 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:14.960 We wouldn't have gotten one of my other favorite uh 317 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:21.960 Hogan moments. If Horace Beefcake you know, show back up 318 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.960 in w CW with them, we wouldn't have gotten that beautiful. 319 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.000 Booty booty booty booty moments. 320 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:31.039 Well, Hogan always had his stooges, Okay, And so folks, 321 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.559 everybody who's listening and putting their earballs on this, I 322 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.440 want you to realize that we're not trying to doubt him. 323 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:37.519 We're just we're having a little fun with this because 324 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.519 it's it is a morning moment for somebody who helped 325 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.120 innovate wrestling as we know it. 326 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.759 Yeah, and one of them is Jimmy Hart you mentioned earlier. 327 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.120 You know, I feel bad for a guy like Jimmy Hart, 328 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.840 who is obviously very close with whole you know, for 329 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:51.559 his you know, career. 330 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.960 That exactly, and put so much time and his own money, 331 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:58.360 his own at work ethic. 332 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:00.600 I mean, Jimmy Hart's one of the one of the 333 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.480 real good ones out there still, so I do I 334 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.039 do feel obviously for him and his Hogan's family. 335 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.599 You deserve a little bit of condolences there as well, 336 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.359 even though they're a little clown show. Let's say, you know, 337 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:14.880 from the old reality TV days. 338 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.039 He can't really escape that too much, but they do, 339 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:18.519 you know, deserve condolences. 340 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:20.799 So I will say a couple of matches that I 341 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:25.480 really enjoyed that Hull Cogin was part of was what 342 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:27.920 he lost the belt to the Undertaker the first time. 343 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:30.720 That was pretty awesome. 344 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.359 That was the time that he that Undertaker dropped him 345 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:35.319 on his head on. 346 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.440 A chair seven inches away. 347 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:38.920 Yeah. 348 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.119 So if you don't know this, yeah, if you don't 349 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.319 know this is a huge controversy with it, and there 350 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:46.759 was not necessarily a few because I'm not going to 351 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.720 speak for anybody else who can't be on the show. 352 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.000 But the Undertaker has said a lot of things on 353 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.440 his podcast about the fact that his head was nowhere 354 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.440 near it and then he claimed, well, you jarred my 355 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.880 body and they put the belt right back on Hogan, 356 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.480 which made no sense. And that point Undertaker was hot 357 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:04.119 and he was just taking off. And while I'm not 358 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.400 a big fan, a traditional fan of like this person 359 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.400 gets pushed to the moon in retrospect, looking at the 360 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:15.720 Undertaker's catalog of matches versus Hogan's it's you know, apples 361 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:16.279 and oranges. 362 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.039 So Thinker was still kind of always I don't think 363 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.160 McMahon really. I mean, it's amazing to be and maybe 364 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.680 one day we'll talk about Undertaker, hopefully a long time 365 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:29.359 from now, just saying yes, many many more years before that. 366 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.640 But you know, he's a guy that McMahon got. 367 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:35.319 A whole hell of a lot out of. But I 368 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:37.599 still feel like, man, he could have gotten so much more. 369 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.519 He never really had big, long rains. You know, his 370 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.000 rings were sort of shorter. 371 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:45.400 You know, oh exactly, but you know this is Hogan's moment, 372 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:46.480 so yeah, you know. 373 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.960 We're tacketting off. That's okay, Yeah, part of the Hogan verse. 374 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.640 Man, exactly the Hogan verse. He did have his own verse. 375 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.279 I mean, they would bring in people two times his 376 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.240 size that they would find like Earthquake. John Tenta was 377 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.160 an actual Yoko Zuna, which is a real Grand Master 378 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.720 Champion Suma wrestler, and they said that he might have 379 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.400 been as tough as Andre the Giant, but when Andre 380 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.680 was gone, they had him facing Hogan and it was 381 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.960 it just was so hokey and It's nothing against John Tenta, 382 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.519 It's just you didn't buy it because you built the 383 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:24.480 character in five months. Andre was around for forty years. Yeah, 384 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.079 it just didn't make sense at the time, and so 385 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.079 you couldn't buy into him like that. You couldn't buy 386 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.839 into when they put him in a tag team with 387 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.240 with Brutus Beefcake and they were going against what was 388 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:40.920 it a Rhythm and blues. You remember that Honckey talking 389 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.519 Greg the Hammer Valentine. I love Greg. 390 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.279 He did not look good as a brunant. Let's way. 391 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.160 Remember Gorilla Monsoon used to call him Bucks car Willie. 392 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:54.839 I loved it. I loved that. 393 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.519 Oh, I'll tell you what you bring up monson. One 394 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.680 guy that I wish for many reasons that he still around, 395 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.599 Bobby Heenan. But I can't say I wouldn't love to 396 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:06.000 have heard you know. You know, Bobby would have had 397 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.440 a great one liner after hearing the Hogan to day. 398 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.680 You would have had something really funny to say. 399 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.400 Well, that's That's the one thing that people never had 400 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.519 realized is the fact that Hogan never had a foil. 401 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.920