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Dogman Encounters Radio. Appreciate you listening. Tonight's guest wish is
to remain anonymous, and with that in mind, we're just
gonna call me Anthony on tonight's show. Anthony, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going, Vick.
Speaker 1: Well, it's going. How about your way?
Speaker 2: Can't complain?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't do any good anyway? Would it?
Speaker 2: Definitely not?
Speaker 1: Normally doesn't Anthony, Please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 2: So, I'm thirty seven years old. I grew up in
southern California area, been here my entire life. And I
grew up in a small little town about thirty miles
east of Los Angeles. I have three siblings, two brothers
and a sister. And yeah, I'm just a you know,
a regular guy, normal guy that you know, likes just
you know, do outdoor things. I'm into sports things like that,
and and I just wanted to share my story because
I you know, I'm a regular listener of yours.
Speaker 1: Well, you know I appreciate you listening, I really do.
I'm wondering, Anthony, your encounter happened over twenty years ago
when you were a kid. Have you noticed any long
lasting effects that have persisted all the way into you
being an adult that you can point directly at that
encounter for being responsible for.
Speaker 2: I will say it was a traumatic experience, and the
story I will tell actually happened with my brother. And
I have a brother that's two years older than me,
and we have the same experience, and yeah, it's one
of those things where it will change you. It changes
your outlook going forward. You'll never pretty much, you'll never
look at things the same way. I guess you interpreted
them before knowing, you know, kind of some of the
things that I've witnessed with my brother that's definitely impacted me.
I wouldn't say, as I'm older now, I'm closer to
my forties, I wouldn't say I'm scared of it. But
you know, it's one of those things where I definitely
don't want to see again.
Speaker 1: Well, I can understand why. I definitely can and this
next question to some people might sound like a dumb question,
but yeah, there's depth to it. You had your encounter
when you were in your own home back then as
a kid with your brother. Do you think that just
added to the intensity of the whole experience. I mean,
if you have an encounter when you're out and about,
that's one thing. But when you're in the safety of
your own home and have an encounter that just really
ramps it up. In most occasions, how much more intense
would you say having it in your own home made
that experience without revealing any of the details of the encounter.
Speaker 2: Itself, Yes, I certainly would say when something like that
happens in your home, or like how it happened in
our back in our backyard, it definitely takes the security
veal away from an individual. It makes you, you know,
on you know, on alert, you're on edge. And I
would say that having witnessed that with my brother makes
me realize that it wasn't just a figment of my imagination.
There was something that we actually did witness and I
know that, hey, you know, it wasn't just my you know, imagination.
Maybe I just watched a movie or something, or maybe
I was, you know, dreaming, lucid dreaming, and I thought
I seen this. Now, me and my brother witnessed this,
and we can testify to it, you know, with accuracy,
even twenty years after the event. And it's interesting because
all you know, every once in a while we'll talk
about and I'll just ask him what it is that
he saw, and it lines up exactly with what what
I saw, and a lot of the other testimonies I've
heard out there on you know, your your channel, your
radio sounds very similar to what I experienced. So I
will say that, Yeah, it definitely has an impact when
it's in your backyard per se as you know, being
in you know, the forest or miles away, because this
entity or creature knows where you live and knows where
you lay your head down at night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely does add to the tension, doesn't it. Normally,
two years of each difference doesn't really add up to
all that much, but when you're at the age that
you were when you have that encounter, it does. Did
your brother, your big brother, was he a rock in
a way that you could lean on to try to
get through that experience, or was he as traumatized by
it as you were in you both were equally as
affected as the other through this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Most certainly, yeah, we we we relied on each other.
We would, you know, after that event, we would tend
to kind of we had. We slept in bump beds
together growing up, and after that event. I know, me
per se, I didn't like, you know, looking outside a
lot of times, especially you know, towards the week hours
or the late hours. I like to keep my blinds
closed a lot of times, like to keep some sort
of light or noise on, just because knowing that that
creature is right could be right outside at any time.
It definitely put fear into us. But yes, we did
have to rely on each other because telling somebody this,
especially when you're you know, nine ten years old, people
tend to, you know, not believe the credibility of it.
They're going to sit here and tell you that, oh, well,
you know, it's you have just a wild imagine nation.
And that's why I you know, I could say, you know,
to me, it's a lot more authentic having seen this
with somebody else. And like I said, you could take
us in two separate rooms today and we would be
able to tell you a very similar story as to
what happened and encounter with the encounter. But yeah, we
did rely on each other. Yeah, because you really, it's
not one of those things you can go around and
you know, tell your teacher or go and tell you know,
the local law enforcement that what you witness, they are
just going to, you know, maybe look at you a
little strangely. And yeah, so we did rely on each
other in our formative years and our youth growing older.
Speaker 1: You know, we have neither a lot of things about
your experience that we can play the glad game about.
I'm not going to get into those things that we
can point to and play the glad game about, but
there are several aspects that could have gone a lot
worse than they did actually broken your favor, and thank
goodness for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, take any advantages we can get when it
comes to an encounter like that, considering the fact that
encounter happens so long ago, though infanty, how strongly are
you affected by at present day?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I would say, I'm not fearful. I
have a you know, a strong faith, and I'm you know,
I have a better understanding of these these creatures and
that hey, you know, they're real. I've always been under
the impression, especially as I've gotten older, that what, you know,
the energy you put out is what the energy that
will come back. So I try not to permeate fear
or allow myself to be a victim. I like to
kind of take more of a driver's seat approach or
front seat approach and be in charge of my own
destiny and not allow something that to captivate me or
stop me from living my life. I don't want to
ever see this creature again, but I refuse to, you know,
live my life and fear or allow this to you know,
dictate what I do. But yeah, it's one of those
things where, like I said, it will be with me
for the rest of my life. And you know, I'm
sure others that have experienced something similar they could probably
say the same thing.
Speaker 1: Well, they definitely can. Yeah, you can get to the
point where you can deal with an encounter well in
a healthy way, But as far as getting to the
point where it's just totally out of mind you never
think about it. I just don't see that ever happening.
It's such a profound experience that you just can't do that.
But in your case, I'm just so glad you're able
to deal with it so well. So definitely thank goodness
for that. Well, Anthony, please tell us about that encounter. Now,
give us all the details you can.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll start off just kind of quick explanation
of the city. The city that you know I'm referring
to is located at San Dimas. Like I said, it's
about it's about thirty five thousand people, give or take.
So it's a small little town about thirty miles east
of Los Angeles. It's nestled in the foothills by the
San Gabriel Mountains and its straddles San Gabriel and Pomona Valleys.
The community originally started in the eighteen hundreds and it
was known for its like mud springs, had swampy terrain.
Other explorers and settlers basically went in there, and cattle
ranchers eventually trickled into the area, and then the Santa
Fe Railroad was completed and it basically started to evolve
into an agriculture community. It was known for its orange
and citrus crops. They would ship these throughout the you know,
the world. I remember growing up. I would see them,
you know, all around the town. Uh and you know
when I we actually still own the property now to
this day where this experience happened. I don't live there,
but I have relatives that do. And you know, when
we first lived there, you I mean, there was a
lot of different nurseries. There were strawberry nurses, citrus nurseries.
There were still you know, roads and stop signs, and
there wasn't many street lights. And now it's pretty much changed.
It's became more of a commuter city and it's definitely
a lot more popular now. It has an old Western
feel to it. It still keeps its roots to that,
which is it's a nice, quaint town and it's a
very popular town. But it is nestled in between the
mountains and there are there's a lot there's a National
Forest around the area and just a lot of wildlife
and you know, different wildlife such as you know, mountain lions, bears, deer,
things like that, just the typical you know, southern California
animals that you would see were common commonplace. But yeah, no,
it's a small little town and basically as we were
getting older, I remember living at my house thinking hey,
you know, this place is a little off. There's just
something weird. I always felt as if something was watching me,
and I would be sitting in my room thinking, hey,
you know, I feel like I'm not alone, and so,
you know, time would go on, and time would go on,
and I would just always you know, kind of you know,
watch my back, and the place just had this ambiance
to it. It just felt, you know, like a heavy
place in the area that I lived in. And basically
what happened is, you know, one day I had walked
outside and I had noticed a cat's head on the
front of my yard, and I thought this was very strange.
The law enforcement ended up coming out to investigate this mutilation,
and it was strange because the cat's body was completely
ripped off, but the head was the only thing left there.
And I remember thinking, as a child, that's strange because why,
you know, why would they have this many law enforcement
officers investigating a cat that supposedly just got eaten by
you know, a coyote or something, you know that. And
I remember thinking that this something's not adding up. And
I ended up finding out that the cops believed it
had something to do as a cult and I thought
that was strange because I've never you know, witnessed anything
a coult around there. And as time would go on,
more and more animals started turning up dead just like that.
I remember one of my neighbors had a big, big
Saint Bernard and its head was also cut off and
left in the front of the yard and the body
was missing. We'd had various animals. I remember I had
a cat that went missing when they never found it.
So there definitely were some strange things going on around
that time, and I just I couldn't really wrap my
finger around it or put my head around it. But
these mutilations were just, you know, they were papping happening,
you know, very often within this I would say a
year frame, maybe six months to a year timeframe. And
I remember one night, you know, like I said, my
brother and I had this experience together. But we were
staying up late that night and we were in our
bottom floor of our house and we were just watching
TV and something I don't know if it was him
or I, because like I said, this was a long
time ago, but I remember something drew us to our
sliding glass door, which is adjacent to our backyard. Okay,
And the sliding glass door had curtains on it, and
it was you know, completely closed, so you can really
see through it or hear out of it, just you
know within you could just see within the blinds, you
know kind of and you can kind of move the
blinds to see what's outside, things like that. And it
was dark in the back It was later on in
the evening, probably around ten ten thirty, and yeah, I
remember that we were both for some reason, something caught
our attention in the backyard and I remember looking with him.
We looked into the corner and we seen this black
It was a black creature, and we really couldn't make
it out at first. We were thinking, that's weird, is
this somebody, you know, breaking into our yard, because it
was climbing a wall, a cement block wall that was
I would say about twelve maybe twelve feet maybe even
a little higher, and it sat on the east end
of the property and this creature or thing was seen
at the top of the wall and it was it
basically transcended down and I remember thinking it didn't look normal,
just the way it was moving. It was almost instead
of like jumping, it was almost like you know, it
had a good foundation even to the wall. Like it
was walking down. It wasn't. It was controlled, it was methodical,
and I remember me and my brother looked at each
other and we were thinking. We were saying, what's what
is this? You know, we couldn't wrapprehend around it. And
once we started seeing it walk on all fours, so
it came down the wall and started, you know, transcending
the back of the yard, still on all fours, we were,
you know, we were starting to get a little curious, like, hey,
you know, this doesn't look normal. I've never seen something
like this. I didn't think wolves lived in the southern
California area. And we were trying to hide in between
the curtains. We darkened everything up, We turned the TVs off,
turned the lights, made sure there was no lights on,
and we were trying to be as still and quiet
as possible and so we can observe this thing. And
it started walking on all fours across the backyard. And
then it got about it got parallel with us, you know,
about halfway through the yard, and for some reason it
just stopped and I remember the creature then out of nowhere,
it stood on its hind legs, and it stared at us.
It knew we were, you know, observing it, and it
was aware of us as well. And this creature had
intelligence to it. I'll never forget. It had these amber eyes,
eyes that lit up, and to me, it shows that
this creature, this wolf wolf man type creature, had the
ability to see at night. And it looked at me
and gave me this feeling I was able to I
felt like telepathety was communicating somehow with me, and it
basically said, if I wanted to right now, I could go,
you know, inside your house and basically do what I
want with you. I could kill you if I wanted.
You know, me and my brother were kind of just
stuck in shock at that point. We weren't talking. We
were almost just like a frozen with fear. And it
was looking at us, said looked at us for about
ten to fifteen seconds after it stood up about I
would say, about fifteen twenty feet away from us in
the backyard, and then it went back down to all
fours and continued walking. And I got the impression that
this creature was hunting, you know, similar to what I
was seeing before with the mutilations and the animals and
the heads that would be showing up around, you know,
the area being mutilated. I got the impression that this
thing was very capable of doing that, and you know,
maybe this was what was causing all these mutilations. And
the impression it gave me is that this creature was hunting,
like I said, And where my backyard kind of sits,
it sits it's adjacent to like a ravine area that
kind of goes down to the forest, and this would
be a you know, an ideal area for this type
of creature to you know, to use as a corridor,
to be able to walk up and down and just
get easy prey, you know, and just have its picking
as far as what it wanted to eat. But I
just remember that this creature, it had some details that
were you know, long lasting, that were very you know,
they stuck with me, you know, And like I said,
the eyes, the eyes were very unique looking compared to
other animals. And the height on which it was able
to stand. I would guesstimate that this this creature was
probably about six six to seven feet maybe you know,
a little you know, maybe a little bit taller, and
it weighed a good four hundred pounds. I mean, this
thing looked like I mean, it looked bigger than any
bodybuilder or I mean athletic football player. You can imagine.
It had muscles that were so defined, and it was
so physically you know, a menacing looking that. I mean
you could see the delts, you could see the shoulder development,
the arms, the you know, pretty much everything. And the
fur wasn't very long. It was long enough to cover
the body, but still not that long to where you
couldn't see the muscle scullar structure of this thing. And it,
like I said, it looked like something that could just
tear apart. Uh you know, a bear, or you know,
even a lion or a tiger for that matter. This
thing just looked like a freak, a freak of nature.
And I remember hearing stories of you know, looking back
at this and trying to do research on it. I would,
you know, look up or you know, read about it
and hit look up stories and hear stories about people
saying that this creature was almost it looked awkward when
it stood up, and when I from what I remember it,
it actually looked very natural. The creature was able to
stand up with ease. It felt very normal to it
from what I can from from what I can tell,
and I just thought it was interesting, how you know,
once it was on its high legs, how tall it was,
and it had I would say it had about ears
that were about three four inches and they were kind
of cropped up. It looked almost like a German shepherd
type animal. But it was dark, like it was very dark.
I looked at I remember it didn't have pause per se.
It had these hands and it had menacing, menacing teeth.
I remember the teeth stuck out and they were I
mean they were. It was definitely showing its teeth to
us to instill fear. But the impression I got was
weird is that it wasn't after us. I don't know why,
but it basically it almost like it took a snapshot
of my brother and I basically knowing like, hey, yeah,
I know you're there, I know you're watching, but you're
not who I'm after. And after it looked at us
like that, it continued walking away and it just, you know,
got to the other side of the yard and it
just jumped over the fence on the opposite side, towards
the west end, and it walked you know away, and
we never saw it after that. The creature reminded me
of the you know you see in like ancient Egyptian text.
You see them, you know, refer to this dog man
creature as like Anubis, and to me it looked similar
to that, but it was just you know, of course muscular.
I mean, it was very menacing. It was you know,
Hollywood couldn't replicate this type of realism and what it
looked like. I mean, it was one of those things where,
like I said, you don't want to see it again.
It's not something I would go and search for or
look for or want to encounter. I know some people
say that they you know, they like looking for these
types of things, and me personally, I don't think i'd
ever want to see it, you know, and I would
never definitely go looking for it again. But this creature,
you know, you won't forget. You never forget some of
the you know, the things that it had, as far
as like with its its claws, it's it's altment, it's back,
it's glutes, it's arms, all that stuff. And then the teeth.
The teeth were very large and pronounced. I mean they
look like they can just tear right through these creatures,
and I remember thinking like at that time when I
seen it, I said, you know, this is this has
to be what has been killing these animals and just
ripping them apart, because you know, realistically, people, I mean,
when when you see an animal carcass like that, they're
usually the animal that that you know is doing the
hunting takes the animal, you know, and it's entirety, not
just parts of it. And it was just weird how
these you know, these heads were almost like clearly just
cut off, like it almost looked like a you know,
surgical incision. And you know, I and you know, like
I said, I've talked to my brother about this and
he can, you know, draw back on it, and he
could refer to it to this day, you know, in
great detail, just like I can. And I always tell people,
you know, this owner was so real that you know,
you could give you know, either one of us the
light detector tests and we were both pass because this
was a very real event and you know, this creature
was very real. And it helps that I thought with
him though, because it would be very hard for me
to comprehend it, you know, if I was just by
myself I wouldn't want you it almost I would try
to almost like, you know, trick myself into believing that
it wasn't real, that's how scary it was. But seeing
it with him, I know that this entity was in
fact there. I'm not sure if it, you know, lives
in a different dimension, or if it's able to you know, crossover,
or if it's just able to be you know, a
depth at hunting and not being you know, caught. But
it's I definitely believe that this creature hunts at night
and it comes out at night, and yeah, you know,
and I was looking out for it after that, and
we were you know, I would try to keep an
eye out and I never had another encounter after that,
which I'm glad for. But it's just one of those
things where, yeah, you know it's there, and you know
it was real, and you see some of these things
that were happening, and you know, you always, you know,
look over your back.
Speaker 1: You know, how can you not look over your back
over your shoulder after an experience like that, Yeah, that's
a given. It definitely is, Anthony. When you first saw
it climbing down that wall, how far was it from you?
Speaker 2: Well, when I first seen it climbing down, I would
say it's about fifty maybe sixty five feet away, and
I just like I said, I remember, the best way
to describe it was, you know, imagine it seemed like
a large tranta climbing down the wall. That's what I
recall it looking like. It was much bigger, of course
than a trancha, but it had that same ability to
be able to to you know, grasp the wall and
the ground in a way that looked very unnatural. It
looked natural for that, but looked unnatural, and respect to
other animals that I've seen, it didn't look normal, which
I remember, you know, that's what initially had caught her eye.
But it was probably about i'd say sixty feet away
when we first noticed it climbed that climb over that wall,
and it I mean it even it got eventually it
got i'd say, about you know, fifteen feet away from
us when it stood up. So I mean we had
a pretty clear sight of it, and it was actually,
you know, very close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's way too close for comfort. It must have
been awfully freaky to see it coming down that wall
that way, which brings me to the next question, which
is what was that wall made of.
Speaker 2: It was made of cement, cement blocks. It was you know,
they were these are like track homes. So they built
these homes with these laws large walls to kind of
give you some privacy between your next neighbor. But from
where this was climbing from, you know, over these walls,
it was to me told me that this animal was
just going in the backyards of people and trying to
just you know, take take easy pickings as far as
with its prey. And that's where it all kind of
came together. Like I said, when I see this, I
kind of it kind of clicked. I'm saying. I remember thinking,
was this why the law law enforcement had you know,
such a you know, large presence, I mean, had so
many people investigating these mutilations. Did they think that there
is something abnormal to what was going on? And it
just kind of clicked. I said, you know, this is
this could very well be the creature that's been, you know,
responsible for a lot of these mutilations that have been
going on in the neighborhood. Yeah, I mean it just
like I said, it was a freak. I mean, it's
a freak of nature. It doesn't and it was very
athletic looking. It didn't look you know, it didn't look
you know, like any other creature. I can imagine. It
was very tall and very very developed. They could tell
that this thing had no problem tracking its prey and
being able to, you know, do what I want with it. So, yeah,
it was definitely menacing looking.
Speaker 1: It must have been a freak of nature to come
down that cinder block wall like that. Do you think
the fact that it was able to do that point
soundly towards it being supernatural in origin?
Speaker 2: You know. I tend to believe that humans we like
to be able to you know, put you know, an
understanding around everything. We want to be able to control
and understand the narrative and think we know everything. But
I'm under the impression that we, you know, we are
still you know, infant in our level of understanding. We
have a lot to learn, and I don't think we
have all the answers to what is going on in
the U universe, how it works with energy, how you know,
even these entities can you know, live amongst us and
maybe go undetected. It's hard for me to say if
it was supernatural or not. All I can say is
that it wasn't natural. It was unnatural. I don't know
if it was able to, like I said, change, you know,
and change dimensions, and they had the ability to cloak
itself at certain times. But I just know that, you know,
the mutilations and the creature we saw, my brother and
I it was very real. I mean it wasn't you know,
something that wasn't real. I mean it was very real,
and it had these features that were very you know,
just stink. Like I said, I mean, it's one of
those things where you can't really you can't really compare
it to anything out there. I mean there's really no
animal that I know if that can be even compared
to that, especially within you know, our you know that
southern California area. I mean, this thing looks like it
could take a bear out with ease. I mean it
was ridiculous. But yeah, the fact it was able to
transcend that backyard the wall and move the way it
did kind of led me to the thing that I
was watching a creature that was not known or wasn't
you know, people weren't aware of it. But I will
say that, like I said, the other stories that I've
heard match up with what I saw, So I know
that this creature is out there and it is a reality.
People are seeing it. Some people may consider it spiritual entity.
Some people may, you know, say, hey, this is a
real you know entity that's you know, that bleeds just
like us, it acts just like us. And I can't
say for sure, I don't know, but I just know
that what we did witness was real and it was there.
And I always tell people, you know, you pay for
the light detector tests to I'll take it. I have
no problem proving to people that this is this was
a real phenomenon, you know. And I know, you know,
like I said, going back and talking to my brother
about it, we don't you could tell that we don't.
He doesn't like talking about too much. I think it
may have affected him, you know, in ways that I
you know, he hasn't really disclosed me, but every time
we have talked about it, it's it's strange the parallels
that we were able to draw and how we literally,
I mean, we witnessed the same creature that night.
Speaker 1: Well that's what you would expect. You two had that experience.
There's not a hint of deception in your voice. I
definitely believe he had that encounters, so it's only fitting
that it would be that way between and your brother.
And like I said, I'm so glad that you can
bounce things off of him and he can do the
same with you. Thank goodness or that what was on
the other side of that wall though, Anthony, the.
Speaker 2: Other side of that wall, it was actually a street.
The street it wasn't if I mean, the street had
some cars that would go up and down it. But
on the other side of that street basically light that
little ravine area where it was basically like a grassy
area kind of like with some wild you know, outgrow
and some trees. And to me it looked like a
perfect channel, like a corridor that this creature probably would
would be using because it was secluded there, you know,
like I said, it was right. It ran perpendicular and
parallel with a lot of those those homes. The best
way to describe, you know, what it looks like is
almost imagine like you have a you know, a natural
flowing river or you know stream, and how it kind
of you know, makes a channel. That's kind of what
it looks like, just without the water. So it has
there is this little corridor that I believe it was
using and that's where I suspect it was going. We
didn't go afterwards. I didn't run outside to go see.
I was so petrified that I didn't want to go investigate.
I didn't want to go outside and see and look.
I I was just praying that this thing wasn't going
to come back and you know, pull us right out
of our in our pajamas. And Yeah, but if I
had to guess, I would say that it was most
likely it would probably would have went there just to
avoid detection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a great way for it to
move around without being seen, that is, unless it wanted
to be seen. Would you ever notice people and any
numbers back on the other side of that.
Speaker 2: Wall, as you know, I would, I didn't notice there wasn't.
I mean, it was at a time where there wouldn't
have been anybody there. And this creature, the way it
was moving and kind of the way it looked, you
could tell that it was I mean, it was a
depth at hunting, and it looks like it had the
ability to be able to you know, move around with
you know, you know, not being detected. I mean, it
was dark. This creature was a dark colored creature. The
fur I would say, it's about three four inches long.
I remember the hands it had, these these hands, it
didn't have pauls like a regular dog, but the hind
legs looked similar to hell. You know, they had almost
that ninety degree or that l shape to them. But
this thing was, you know, freakishly tall and freakishly just athletic.
I mean it's not it wasn't fat, it wasn't large.
It was just rip I mean, like I said, it
makes it. You could take your biggest NFL football player
and your most ripped athletic football player, and this thing
would you know, trumpet in in its overall sheer athleticism.
It just was a freak I mean, that's one thing
I remember. And when it looked at us, like I said,
it gave me the impression that it was communicating, but
it was doing it in a way telepathically, because I
got this, I got this, you know, this message basically
stating that hey, I'm not after you. If I wanted
to right now, I can kill you, but you're not
who I'm after. And and once it looked at us
and almost it was, like I said, it was almost
like it just took a picture of us, like a
screenshot image of us, and once it stared at at
my brother and I for about five five to ten seconds,
it turned turned back which was going westbound, and it
continued transcending on all fours and walking through the yard.
So but yeah, no, there was no people on the
other side. Like I said, it was just a street
and then it kind of goes into an amankment and
a little area that's lushed with you know, outgrow and
you know and trees and things like that. So I,
like I said, I think it was using that corridor
to do the hunting.
Speaker 1: Well, that definitely be a great place for it to
do that. Yeah, sounds like it would have had all
the time it wanted to room and do things back
there without ever being seen. What was the lighting like
though in your backyard that night?
Speaker 2: The lighting I we have we had some floodlights that
would come on from time to time, and it was
it wasn't completely dark, but it wasn't you know, there
was a little bit of you know, light flowing from
that floodlight that was on the side of the house
enough to see it, like I said, to be able
to make out the details of it as far as
with its you know, its hands, with its its mouth,
with its snout, muzzle it had, like I said, it
wasn't like a It didn't have that muzzle that was
like a pudgy muzzle. It had almost like that elongated
snout like you would see on a German shepherd. And
the ears, like I said, they cropped up so they
pointed upwards about three four inches. And I mean, you
can definitely tell, you know, I don't remember if it
had to tell I don't. I don't recall if it
did or not. I just remember it, you know, you know,
the basic movements it made, and you know that look
it gave us where it almost like it looks it
looked into your soul. You know, That's kind of the
way I felt like it was basically, you know, just
you know, like get it almost it knew we were
there for sure, and it was almost like just sending
a message. You know. I've heard a you know stories
where you know, afterwards, I would do the research, and
I've heard the stories about people that would challenge this creature,
and I, like I said, I didn't challenge it. I'm not.
I had that mindset where I'm just trying to, you know,
goond go on with my my evening and not you know,
act like I'm not even there. And the last thing
I thought it was going out chasing after it. But
I have, you know, came across stories about people that
did do that, and I'll never forget. There was a
guy that seemed one of these creatures, and I believe
his testimony because it sounded, you know, very similar to
what I saw. But he decided to challenge it and
chase after it, and it threw him in the air
and he ended up hitting back on the ground and
it just basically took almost took life out of him.
He was almost like sucker punch. But that was because
I think he challenged it, whereas me, I recognized that
I knew it was there, but I'm not trying to
challenge something like that, like I you know, I think
that's the wrong approach you can do with something like this.
You know, you don't want to, you know, go after
it per se, you know, just like you wouldn't go
after any any sort of you know, wild animal. It
just to me that wouldn't bode well for you, you know,
and and especially me, judging by what I saw I
don't you know, want to take a chance of my life.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you better than to try to do that. Yeah,
there's no future at all in trying to challenge one
of these things. That's what that one guy found out
the hard way. Unfortunately, did it seem to have any
aversion to being in the light that that flood light
put off?
Speaker 2: You know it did? And like I said, the light,
the light that you know was shiny. It wasn't you know,
super strong, but you could tell this thing like to
operate in the dark. And kind of what you know
cues me in on that was that its eyes were
you know, you see some of these animals like a
you know, a large you know cats or you know
even like an alp or say, they hunt at night
and their light their their eyes that became you know,
used to being able to see in that you know,
infrared or that you know, those dark perspectives, and this
creature had a similar you know look in that eye.
And so that told me, you know that this thing
was you know, able to see with you know, the
great ability at night. And so that's why I believe
it would hunt at night. And also it would you
know probably do it to go undetected so it wouldn't
be seen by people. But yeah, judging by what I could,
I could see it wasn't the light wasn't too bright
on it because it was on the side of the house,
but it was still bright enough you could see the
creature like. It wasn't incomplete black like a cloak. It
wasn't like a shadow. Now, it was very detailed. It
had all these different features that I'm explaining, you know about,
And it's hair, like I said, it wasn't like you know,
it's for it was almost like not like mangy, but
its hair was almost like you know, thin, but it
was about three four inches. It wasn't super long. It
didn't have such a thick, thick coat to it. I
mean because if I if I was able to see
the body like I was able to the muscular structure
of it, and I don't think the fur. I think
the fur would have hampered that if it would have
a big, you know, code to it. And so I
remember that the hair wasn't you know, it wasn't super thick,
so it was kind of you know, more like piny
pinty type of hair and thin, thin strands, but it
you know, you could definitely, you know, make out some
of it's it's pronounced features in the teeth. I'll never
forget those teeth as well. Those teeth look like I mean,
it almost looked like like you were watching a saber
too tire. And you know, in modern day with how
large it's, it's you know, canines were it was. It
was a freakish you know. And and you hear people
call this creature dog man. That's a common phrase for it,
and that isn't accurate saying it does envision like it
does give you that impression that it is like a
werewolf dog man creature. But even then, it's like, you know,
it still doesn't do a justice to what this creature
looks like that just you know, those those mod is,
because this thing looked like a killing it like a machine.
I mean, it looked like something you know that you
you know, like a hell hound you would never want
to come across. And it's just one of those things
where you know, I'm even explaining it now doesn't serve
it justice because of what just how menacing this creature
was and just how you know, strong and unnatural it
looked you know, as far as with what I'm used
to seeing in the wild or even in my you know,
around my.
Speaker 1: Area, you'd never expect to see anything like that. That's
a given. Could either of your neighbors have seen it
if they would have been looking, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I thought about that. I thought about that, and
I've wondered if some of the neighbors did see that.
I remember I was talking about the deputies going out
there and doing the investigating. As and as I got older,
I wanted to, you know, try to just do my
own research on it and find out, hey, you know,
is there you know, is there somebody that did witness this,
because I believed there had to have been. I mean,
there had to have been. There was these mutilations, and
where where it was traveling. I mean, I don't know.
I guess I may have gotten we may have gotten
lucky seeing it at the time we did, and just
knowing that it was, you know, there, because like I said,
I mean, I don't even know, to be honest with you,
I don't, like I said, I don't even remember how
we picked it up on that wall, but we did,
and I believe that somebody else did witness I remember
years later, as I got older, I would ask my parents,
I said, hey, did you ever encounter anything? Was there
ever anything going on? And they remember, you know, they
would tell us about the mutilations and the occult type
stuff that they glow enforcems investigating. But I remember telling
them about this creature and they kind of shrugged it off.
But I know, my brother, you know, as we were older,
we're growing now, we would we would sit, you know,
repeat this same sentiment, and you could tell after a
while that they started to kind of believe that there
was something to it, like maybe it did in fact happen,
because our stories never change. You know, both of us
are you know, normal, sound minded individuals. We don't have
any sort of mental issues, and you know, I was
just curious, but I do. If I had to put
my you know, guests to it, I would say that
I think somebody else did witness it in that area.
And like I said, just because it's you know, where
we sit. We were sitting, we sit next to you know,
houses and you know, on the side of us in
the back and it was using that you know, that
corridor to do the hunting. So it was literally just
going in the backyards just trying to pick up its prey.
And uh, I mean at the time, me and my
brother and my family, we had two large dogs. We
had a bull mastive and an American bulldog. And these
dogs were what I mean, there's one hundred and fifty
hundred and sixty pounds the bull mastive. So it wasn't
like we were not used to seeing large, you know,
animals around us. We knew, you know, we had a
good idea of what you know, an animal cowagh and
you know, being around them, we felt comfortable. But this
this creature looked like it could you know, it just
it looked like something that you couldn't even you know,
I mean a movie wouldn't even do a justice in
like a you know, a Hollywood couldn't even make this
thing look as scary as it did.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't doubt that at all. Can you
think of anything at all, Anthony, that was in your
backyard that night that might have drawn it?
Speaker 2: Well, we do, like I said, we did have animals,
you know, and at night what we would do is
we would take these animals inside, you know, just because
after that occult, you know, issued that that stuff, and
after you started finding these creatures being mutilated, we decided
that we would start bringing our animals inside, and so
we would you know, put them upstairs with us, and
you know, they'd sleep in either in a cage or
they'd be you know, just roaming the inside of the house.
But our animals, you know, would be inside. So I
don't know if it may have sense or smelt. Animals
maybe had picked up on their you know, on their vowels,
maybe had picked up on their food, their scent. But
I think maybe the animals could have drawn it in.
Speaker 1: That we have, Yeah, that would make sense. That just
might be. You gave us a good description of the
musculature of its back, But was there anything unusual about
it's here the heir on its back. Was it three
to four inches the same way it was and the
rest of its body or was it different?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was you know, about three four inches, but
you know, all around its body. Uh, it's it didn't
have hair on its face, and it didn't have hair
around its hands. But it had a kind of a
uniformed you know look to it. But like I said,
the hair wasn't very thick. It was you know, almost
like I guess similar to like how you would see
a you know, a coyote or you know one of these,
you know types of animals that you know have more
of that thin hair. But yeah, no, it wasn't. It
didn't have like a bear's fur or even you know,
like a huskies type of fur. It wasn't very thick coat,
so that is one thing ended, But it was pretty uniform.
I remember that it wouldn't have like patches or anything
like that. It was still clear enough that you could see.
I remember seeing its muscular structure and like its back
and its slats and it's delts, and it had that
you know that look, you know where you could really
see through it. So that tells me that it's coke.
Its fur was not very thick. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear you mentioned any any hint of a
maine or anything like that. So that's what that question
was all about.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you say it, because I've been
wanting to kind of, you know, say that, I'm thinking
like maybe it could have been like there could have
been maybe something similar to that, but it didn't. I
didn't notice any patches, so that's why I didn't want
to say for sure it is mange. But it did
have that type of look where you see an animal
that has means, Like you can see a little bit
of hair, but you still can see underneath it's skeletal structured,
you know, I mean, it's muscular structure underneath the fur.
So I don't it's hard to say if it had means,
but I just from what I would call it didn't
have patches, but it was it's it's it's skin and
its muscles had the ability to be seen like you know,
if you were to look at a bear in your backyard,
because I've seen a lot of bears going, you know,
hiking and camping out in like Yosemite and up in
the you know, big and things like that, And when
you see these bears, I mean, it just looks like,
you know, a solid brown object, but you don't really
I mean, you know, you see the math, but you
don't really see the details of the muscular prowess. And
this creature I remember seeing it had very detailed anatomy
to it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry interrupt you please continue.
Speaker 2: Well, no, not just what I was, you know, you
know I was referring to it did have you know
that you know, that look to it where you were
able to see it. You know, it's coat and it's
it's muscle through the first So that tells me it
wasn't very very thick.
Speaker 1: I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't asking about means
with that particular question. I was asking if it had
a mean, But it sounds like it didn't have one.
Speaker 2: You described it. Oh no, it didn't have a mean.
Speaker 1: No, No, I see. I listened to you describe the
muscular turren it's back, and I didn't hear any hint
of it having a hump on its back. Is that
accurate or was there a hump?
Speaker 2: No, there was no hump it. When it stood up,
it stood up in a way that was pretty erect.
The back was pretty straight, and so was the head.
I mean, it looked it looked similar to like the
way a human would stand up. But the only thing
that was different was its hind legs that, like I said,
it had that pivot to it, that l shape where
you look at a back a dog's hind leg. It
can't get the full, you know, full fluctuation of a
joint muscle, and it kind of had a little, you know,
a little arch to the back hind leg, but the
rest of the body stood stood very tall and very straight.
It wasn't hunched over, it didn't you know. When it
stood up, it stood up, you know, to kind of
almost let itself you know, be seen like known that. Hey,
you know you don't want to you know, you don't
want to try try anything stupid right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't have been a good move to do that,
to try anything stupid. But it sounds like you were
way too smart to try anything like that. Anyway, That's
always a good thing. It obviously was frightening to look at.
But did it look evil in your opinion.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it did. It most certainly did this creature
judging from its teeth and it's look it definitely looked
look evil like. It looked like something you know that
just was you know, it was menacing, and it looked
like it was could be very easily at the top
of our food chain. And like I said, there's so
much historical information that kind of tells the stories of
these these dogmen or these wolfmen, and this creature just
I mean it looked very I mean it almost looked
like old, like it had like it's been around for
generations like it didn't. And to me it seems like
it's you know, it's it probably has been roaming in
this earth for a long time. Judging by my analysis
of it, you know, looked very looked, didn't look awkward
at all in its environment. It looked very adept at
hunting and its movements. And yeah, but when it stood up,
it stood up anywhere, you know, to about seven feet tall,
and it looked very unnatural and very menacing, like you know,
with the teeth and everything. I mean it and I
want to say, I don't know if its teeth were
just like that naturally, but I mean it was definitely
showing its canines like it was showing its teeth, and
I mean it looks like it could just, you know,
I mean, tear through flesh without a problem. The teeth
had to have been you know, I mean a good
inch or longer. I mean, they were huge from what
I recall, and they stuck out of its snout. You know,
it had that kind of like I said, that German
shepherd snout. But the teeth were very menacing and they
were very large and pronounced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part for the course when it comes to
these things. Do you remember any strange things happening when
you lay in bed at night back then, like tapping
on your windows for example.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, there were a lot of strange occurrences
that that would take place, you know, tapping on the windows.
Like I said, I felt almost like I was being
watched outside my window. And it's funny because my window
where I sit on the top of the floor sits,
you know, directly where that that creature would have you know,
climbed that wall. So I mean you could literally look
out and you would see that area where that creature
would have been, and there would be little, you know,
strange things that happened at that house. You know that
you really it's hard to explain. You would hear noises
or you would hear you know, tapping sounds. You would
hear you know, things getting you know, knocked around or
you know, pushed over, and you know, and there's just
there wasn't really an explanation for it. But I just
remember that I would always be fearful growing up, and
especially after that encounter. I remember even going to the bathroom,
I would be nervous, you know, I was just on edge.
You just felt like you know, something was there watching
you outside, you know, and and I you know, I
don't know even you know, years now. I don't know
if we've had any experiences recently, but that that that place,
that area gives a certain you know, energy, a vibe
to it that is definitely to me a little a
little a little off, you know. I don't feel that
at every every location. And so, yeah, there were strange
things that would happen, you know, lights would go on
and off, things like that. So I don't, you know,
I don't know if it's just you know, just the
you know, common common place where we you know, seeing
these things, or if it was something that was supernatural
being caused. But I don't know. But yeah, no, it
was definitely a unique place. You know.
Speaker 1: Sure sounds like it. And it's bad enough you had
to deal with seeing the thing, but you have to
go through all that tapping on the windows and all
that stuff at nighttime when you're in bed. That's just
too much, that really is.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Did your brother tell your parents about what had happened
that night, what you saw, and if so, how long
did you wait to tell them?
Speaker 2: Well, my brother and I I know, I we both
told them. We didn't tell them initially, just because, like
you said, you don't really think people are going to
hear you. They're not going to really listen to you.
I don't even remember, to be honest with you, telling
the friends of mine. I remember just you know, confiding
in my brother. And as we got older, we you know,
we disclosed this and we spoke with my parents about it,
and my mom, you know, she I could still tell
that she really didn't believe, you know, in our experience.
But I know, I think my dad eventually, you know,
started coming to the belief that, hey, you know, maybe
they did see something. But we we waited till we
were adults, you know, because I just don't think anybody
would have listened to us back then. And I kept
it in, you know, we would talk about it with
each other, but we kept this in for years and
and never really telling anybody. And even now to this day,
I don't really share the information or what I've witnessed
too many people, you know. I like, you know, channels
like these where you can you know, get an understanding
of what other people have experience and you can kind of,
you know, compare them to what you've experienced and it
lets you know that, hey, yeah there is something to this,
and there are other people out there that have dealt
with this, but I don't think they would have been
recepted my parents if we were to tell them when
we were young. So we kind of just kept that
bottled in for years until we became adults. And that's when,
you know, we you know, we confided with them and
told them, and it took us a few times, you know,
to kind of get it through, especially, you know, my
dad wasn't believing me at first, and then I told
you know, my brother told him, and we told him
numerous times, and he would keep saying, now, now you
didn't see that. I'm like, yes, yes, yes, we did.
It was real. I was there, and eventually you could
tell that he started to kind of believe that, hey,
you know, this could be very real. And he's I mean,
he's he's had that house blessed. Afterwards, he's tried to
you know, put you know, certain things around it, just
to kind of keep the house pure. But yeah, no,
I mean, it was, you know, one of those things
where you don't really trust people with telling, you know,
because I mean, not too many people are talking about
dog man or werewolf. When you go to your you know,
your school, or when you're talking with your friends, Nobody really,
you know, can relate to that for the most part,
unless they've actually had an eyewitness encounter. And I've always
told people, you know, you may laugh or you may say, yeah,
this is you know, far fetched, but when it happens
to you or you know, if it ever does happen
to you, hopefully it doesn't, it does, it will change
your life. It will change the way you go about
life and you interpret life because you'll realize that, hey,
you know, what we're really you know, insignificant in the
scheme of things like we're you know, we have a
lot to learn as far as the universe, how energy works,
how the environment works, how you know, there's capabilities of
things that we could not fathom are real, that are
in fact real. And I generally like to refer back
to you know, historical you know, texts and things of
that nature, because a lot of times, you know, these
stories you hear about these types of creatures, whether they're
biblical or whether they're in you know, scriptures or Egyptian
you know, higher glyphs. They tend to tell a story
that you know, a lot of times people can just
you know, dismiss, but a lot of times these stories
have are based in a little bit of truth. And
I think that this creature has been around for you know,
thousands of years, and I don't think it's something that
you know, is you know. I think it's you know,
very accustomed to this plane. And I think people have
been experienced it for thousands of years, and I think
people will continue to experience it. But yeah, it's it's
one of those things. When you see it, it will
change your life and you'll will become a believer. I mean,
it forces you to. You know, as much as I'd
like to act like it didn't happen and imagine it
didn't happen, it was definitely a real event. And like
I said, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Speaker 1: Sure would have been nice if it didn't happen, but
you can't fool yourself, you know it did. Fortunately, how
close is your present home to where you lived back then?
Speaker 2: Well, I live I'm in I live some distance away.
I would say I live about an hour and a
half away now, but my my family still lives in
that property. And they still you know, they still live there,
and you know, I'll go by there every once in
a while, but it's rarely at night. It's usually during
the day, and you know, I'll just go to kind
of you know, say hi to my family and you know,
say hi to my father, things like that. But I
live about an hour and a half away. I'm living
in the Palm Springs area now, so it's a good
good amount of way a distance from there. But my
relatives and family still do live there at that same
property that we have the experience out.
Speaker 1: Does it bring me any solace knowing that you're so
far away from where this experience happened, or when you
go out late at night to take the trash out
or maybe to get the do you still have that
concern that it might be out there or a different dog,
it might be out there.
Speaker 2: You know it It does, But I feel like, you know,
this creature or one of it, you know, say, one
of its family members, I mean, if they if they
wanted to, I don't know. It does bring solace knowing
that there's some space in between. But to think that
this is just the only one and there's not more
out there, I think that would be, you know, I don't.
I don't think that's based in reality. I think there's
you know, more of them there. I think they're all
around Probably they're around us more than we think. And
I think some people, you know, get a glimpse and
they're able to see them, and others they don't. I've
done research on it. I've tried to look up other
people that have had encounters in that area, and I'll
even look up in my area now just to see,
you know, if I need to be worried about anything.
And yeah, I mean, these things are they affect a
lot of people, you know, I mean, and it doesn't matter.
I mean you could see it in places from the
mid Midwest to the south, to the Appellation, to the
to the north, the Pacific wet Northwest. I mean, these things,
I feel like they transcend all areas and they're able
to move in all corridors. Because like I said, there's really,
in my opinion, there's no creature that can really, you know,
take this creature on. I mean, it looks like it
would be the top of the food chain. So I
don't know, outside of maybe humans being its biggest threat,
I don't know who also be what other type of
animal would even be able to, you know, stand a
chance against this type of creature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're definitely in a lot more places. What would
be convenient? That's a given right there. Unfortunately, I still
don't know the answer to this question the Anthony. Who
was more strongly affected by that encounter? You or your brother?
Speaker 2: That's hard to say. I think I would probably say
I was affected by it more, and just because I
felt like it was communicating to me, just like it
was you know, I felt like it was trying to
convey a message. But yeah, it's I think it's affected
me more, you know, because he hasn't he at least
he you know, with him, how he deals with it.
He tends to keep it more quiet. He doesn't you know,
he doesn't tell people about it too often. He will
confide in me, but I would imagine he hasn't told
too many people also outside of me and maybe my parents.
But uh, I think probably it affected me a little
bit more because I was younger. I was two years
younger than him. He was two years older. And yeah,
so I would probably say it affected me a little
bit more.
Speaker 1: Well, that's understandable. Like I said, you were two years younger.
In most cases, two years difference isn't going to add
up to that much, but when you're that age, it
definitely does. So it's understandable it'd be more affected than
he was. It really is. Well, it's about time for
us to get out, if you're Anthony, but before we do,
give any clothes and comments you'd like to put out
there for us.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I really appreciate what you do, Vic,
and I love you your channel and your radio station,
your show. I'm a regular listener, and I like the
way you know, you approach things and how you give
people the ability to speak about these encounters because, like
I said, twenty five years twenty twenty five years ago,
we didn't have this ability, we didn't have this capability
to be able to you know, tell people or even
talk about it. So having this sort of a channel, uh,
to relate to and educate yourself with it is very welcoming.
It's much appreciated, and you your your ability to be
able to connect with your audience and your your interviewees
is uh. You know, it's definitely a skill and I
recognize that. That's why I, you know, even came on
here to share my story because I'm not very you know,
keen on just letting everyone and their mother know about
my encounter. I'm more of a private person. I like
to tend to keep things to myself. But it is
much appreciated what you do, and I just want you
to keep up the good work. And you know, I'll
be definitely tuning in every night like I do and
just trying to grow and understand more about what it
is this creature is and what I encounter that day.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for the good words, and yeah, of course,
I'll do the best I can to keep doing what
I do and to try to help the eyewitnesses. Wouldn't
have it any other way. But having said that, Anthony,
thanks again so much for coming on and share the
details of that experience with us. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: My pleasure, and you know, definitely has been an honor
to be on your show. And like I said, I
appreciate it and thank you very much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're welcome, The honor is allmine. Have a good
night you too. Well, that's another one in the books. Everyone,
thanks again so much for listening. As always, I really
do appreciate it and if you happen to be a
dog mean eyewitness, if you'd like to speak with me
about your encounter because you're traumatized and need help, or
if you like to come on the show and share
your experience with the listeners, please go to dogmyandecounters dot
com and submit a report. If you do that, then
I'll be more than happy to contact you and schedule
a phone consultation with you so we can have a
good talk about your experience or experiences. This sometimes happens.
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening
and have a great night.