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thanks so much for joining us for another episode of

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Dogman Encounters Radio. Appreciate you listening. Tonight's guest wish is

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to remain anonymous, and with that in mind, we're just

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gonna call me Anthony on tonight's show. Anthony, Welcome to

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the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going, Vick.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's going. How about your way?

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Speaker 2: Can't complain?

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't do any good anyway? Would it?

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Speaker 2: Definitely not?

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Speaker 1: Normally doesn't Anthony, Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 2: So, I'm thirty seven years old. I grew up in

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southern California area, been here my entire life. And I

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grew up in a small little town about thirty miles

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east of Los Angeles. I have three siblings, two brothers

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and a sister. And yeah, I'm just a you know,

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a regular guy, normal guy that you know, likes just

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you know, do outdoor things. I'm into sports things like that,

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and and I just wanted to share my story because

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I you know, I'm a regular listener of yours.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know I appreciate you listening, I really do.

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I'm wondering, Anthony, your encounter happened over twenty years ago

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when you were a kid. Have you noticed any long

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lasting effects that have persisted all the way into you

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being an adult that you can point directly at that

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encounter for being responsible for.

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Speaker 2: I will say it was a traumatic experience, and the

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story I will tell actually happened with my brother. And

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I have a brother that's two years older than me,

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and we have the same experience, and yeah, it's one

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of those things where it will change you. It changes

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your outlook going forward. You'll never pretty much, you'll never

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look at things the same way. I guess you interpreted

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them before knowing, you know, kind of some of the

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things that I've witnessed with my brother that's definitely impacted me.

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I wouldn't say, as I'm older now, I'm closer to

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my forties, I wouldn't say I'm scared of it. But

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you know, it's one of those things where I definitely

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don't want to see again.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can understand why. I definitely can and this

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next question to some people might sound like a dumb question,

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but yeah, there's depth to it. You had your encounter

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when you were in your own home back then as

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a kid with your brother. Do you think that just

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added to the intensity of the whole experience. I mean,

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if you have an encounter when you're out and about,

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that's one thing. But when you're in the safety of

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your own home and have an encounter that just really

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ramps it up. In most occasions, how much more intense

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would you say having it in your own home made

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that experience without revealing any of the details of the encounter.

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Speaker 2: Itself, Yes, I certainly would say when something like that

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happens in your home, or like how it happened in

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our back in our backyard, it definitely takes the security

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veal away from an individual. It makes you, you know,

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on you know, on alert, you're on edge. And I

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would say that having witnessed that with my brother makes

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me realize that it wasn't just a figment of my imagination.

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There was something that we actually did witness and I

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know that, hey, you know, it wasn't just my you know, imagination.

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Maybe I just watched a movie or something, or maybe

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I was, you know, dreaming, lucid dreaming, and I thought

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I seen this. Now, me and my brother witnessed this,

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and we can testify to it, you know, with accuracy,

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even twenty years after the event. And it's interesting because

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all you know, every once in a while we'll talk

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about and I'll just ask him what it is that

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he saw, and it lines up exactly with what what

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I saw, and a lot of the other testimonies I've

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heard out there on you know, your your channel, your

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radio sounds very similar to what I experienced. So I

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will say that, Yeah, it definitely has an impact when

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it's in your backyard per se as you know, being

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in you know, the forest or miles away, because this

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entity or creature knows where you live and knows where

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you lay your head down at night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely does add to the tension, doesn't it. Normally,

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two years of each difference doesn't really add up to

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all that much, but when you're at the age that

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you were when you have that encounter, it does. Did

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your brother, your big brother, was he a rock in

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a way that you could lean on to try to

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get through that experience, or was he as traumatized by

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it as you were in you both were equally as

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affected as the other through this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Most certainly, yeah, we we we relied on each other.

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to kind of we had. We slept in bump beds

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together growing up, and after that event. I know, me

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per se, I didn't like, you know, looking outside a

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lot of times, especially you know, towards the week hours

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or the late hours. I like to keep my blinds

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closed a lot of times, like to keep some sort

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of light or noise on, just because knowing that that

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creature is right could be right outside at any time.

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have to rely on each other because telling somebody this,

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especially when you're you know, nine ten years old, people

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tend to, you know, not believe the credibility of it.

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you know, it's you have just a wild imagine nation.

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to me, it's a lot more authentic having seen this

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with somebody else. And like I said, you could take

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us in two separate rooms today and we would be

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able to tell you a very similar story as to

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what happened and encounter with the encounter. But yeah, we

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did rely on each other. Yeah, because you really, it's

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not one of those things you can go around and

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you know, tell your teacher or go and tell you know,

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the local law enforcement that what you witness, they are

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just going to, you know, maybe look at you a

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little strangely. And yeah, so we did rely on each

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other in our formative years and our youth growing older.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have neither a lot of things about

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your experience that we can play the glad game about.

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I'm not going to get into those things that we

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can point to and play the glad game about, but

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there are several aspects that could have gone a lot

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worse than they did actually broken your favor, and thank

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goodness for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, take any advantages we can get when it

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comes to an encounter like that, considering the fact that

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encounter happens so long ago, though infanty, how strongly are

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you affected by at present day?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm I would say, I'm not fearful. I

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have a you know, a strong faith, and I'm you know,

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I have a better understanding of these these creatures and

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that hey, you know, they're real. I've always been under

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the impression, especially as I've gotten older, that what, you know,

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the energy you put out is what the energy that

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will come back. So I try not to permeate fear

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or allow myself to be a victim. I like to

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kind of take more of a driver's seat approach or

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front seat approach and be in charge of my own

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destiny and not allow something that to captivate me or

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stop me from living my life. I don't want to

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ever see this creature again, but I refuse to, you know,

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live my life and fear or allow this to you know,

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dictate what I do. But yeah, it's one of those

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things where, like I said, it will be with me

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for the rest of my life. And you know, I'm

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sure others that have experienced something similar they could probably

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say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, they definitely can. Yeah, you can get to the

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point where you can deal with an encounter well in

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a healthy way, But as far as getting to the

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point where it's just totally out of mind you never

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think about it. I just don't see that ever happening.

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It's such a profound experience that you just can't do that.

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But in your case, I'm just so glad you're able

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to deal with it so well. So definitely thank goodness

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for that. Well, Anthony, please tell us about that encounter. Now,

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give us all the details you can.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll start off just kind of quick explanation

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of the city. The city that you know I'm referring

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to is located at San Dimas. Like I said, it's

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about it's about thirty five thousand people, give or take.

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So it's a small little town about thirty miles east

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of Los Angeles. It's nestled in the foothills by the

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San Gabriel Mountains and its straddles San Gabriel and Pomona Valleys.

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The community originally started in the eighteen hundreds and it

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was known for its like mud springs, had swampy terrain.

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ranchers eventually trickled into the area, and then the Santa

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Fe Railroad was completed and it basically started to evolve

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into an agriculture community. It was known for its orange

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and citrus crops. They would ship these throughout the you know,

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the world. I remember growing up. I would see them,

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you know, all around the town. Uh and you know

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when I we actually still own the property now to

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this day where this experience happened. I don't live there,

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lot of different nurseries. There were strawberry nurses, citrus nurseries.

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there wasn't many street lights. And now it's pretty much changed.

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a lot more popular now. It has an old Western

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feel to it. It still keeps its roots to that,

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which is it's a nice, quaint town and it's a

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very popular town. But it is nestled in between the

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mountains and there are there's a lot there's a National

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things like that, just the typical you know, southern California

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animals that you would see were common commonplace. But yeah, no,

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getting older, I remember living at my house thinking hey,

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you know, this place is a little off. There's just

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something weird. I always felt as if something was watching me,

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and I would be sitting in my room thinking, hey,

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you know, time would go on, and time would go on,

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and I would just always you know, kind of you know,

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watch my back, and the place just had this ambiance

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place in the area that I lived in. And basically

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what happened is, you know, one day I had walked

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outside and I had noticed a cat's head on the

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front of my yard, and I thought this was very strange.

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and it was strange because the cat's body was completely

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ripped off, but the head was the only thing left there.

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you know, why would they have this many law enforcement

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officers investigating a cat that supposedly just got eaten by

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you know, a coyote or something, you know that. And

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I remember thinking that this something's not adding up. And

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I ended up finding out that the cops believed it

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had something to do as a cult and I thought

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that was strange because I've never you know, witnessed anything

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a coult around there. And as time would go on,

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more and more animals started turning up dead just like that.

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Saint Bernard and its head was also cut off and

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left in the front of the yard and the body

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was missing. We'd had various animals. I remember I had

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a cat that went missing when they never found it.

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that time, and I just I couldn't really wrap my

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finger around it or put my head around it. But

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you know, very often within this I would say a

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brother and I had this experience together. But we were

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staying up late that night and we were in our

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bottom floor of our house and we were just watching

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TV and something I don't know if it was him

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or I, because like I said, this was a long

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sliding glass door, which is adjacent to our backyard. Okay,

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And the sliding glass door had curtains on it, and

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it was you know, completely closed, so you can really

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see through it or hear out of it, just you

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know within you could just see within the blinds, you

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know kind of and you can kind of move the

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blinds to see what's outside, things like that. And it

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was dark in the back It was later on in

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the evening, probably around ten ten thirty, and yeah, I

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remember that we were both for some reason, something caught

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our attention in the backyard and I remember looking with him.

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We looked into the corner and we seen this black

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It was a black creature, and we really couldn't make

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it out at first. We were thinking, that's weird, is

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this somebody, you know, breaking into our yard, because it

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was climbing a wall, a cement block wall that was

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I would say about twelve maybe twelve feet maybe even

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a little higher, and it sat on the east end

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of the property and this creature or thing was seen

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at the top of the wall and it was it

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basically transcended down and I remember thinking it didn't look normal,

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just the way it was moving. It was almost instead

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of like jumping, it was almost like you know, it

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had a good foundation even to the wall. Like it

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was walking down. It wasn't. It was controlled, it was methodical,

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and I remember me and my brother looked at each

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other and we were thinking. We were saying, what's what

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is this? You know, we couldn't wrapprehend around it. And

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once we started seeing it walk on all fours, so

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it came down the wall and started, you know, transcending

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the back of the yard, still on all fours, we were,

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you know, we were starting to get a little curious, like, hey,

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you know, this doesn't look normal. I've never seen something

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like this. I didn't think wolves lived in the southern

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California area. And we were trying to hide in between

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the curtains. We darkened everything up, We turned the TVs off,

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turned the lights, made sure there was no lights on,

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and we were trying to be as still and quiet

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as possible and so we can observe this thing. And

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it started walking on all fours across the backyard. And

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then it got about it got parallel with us, you know,

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about halfway through the yard, and for some reason it

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just stopped and I remember the creature then out of nowhere,

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it stood on its hind legs, and it stared at us.

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It knew we were, you know, observing it, and it

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was aware of us as well. And this creature had

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intelligence to it. I'll never forget. It had these amber eyes,

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eyes that lit up, and to me, it shows that

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this creature, this wolf wolf man type creature, had the

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ability to see at night. And it looked at me

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and gave me this feeling I was able to I

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felt like telepathety was communicating somehow with me, and it

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basically said, if I wanted to right now, I could go,

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you know, inside your house and basically do what I

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want with you. I could kill you if I wanted.

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You know, me and my brother were kind of just

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stuck in shock at that point. We weren't talking. We

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were almost just like a frozen with fear. And it

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was looking at us, said looked at us for about

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ten to fifteen seconds after it stood up about I

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would say, about fifteen twenty feet away from us in

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the backyard, and then it went back down to all

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fours and continued walking. And I got the impression that

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this creature was hunting, you know, similar to what I

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was seeing before with the mutilations and the animals and

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the heads that would be showing up around, you know,

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the area being mutilated. I got the impression that this

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thing was very capable of doing that, and you know,

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maybe this was what was causing all these mutilations. And

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the impression it gave me is that this creature was hunting,

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like I said, And where my backyard kind of sits,

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it sits it's adjacent to like a ravine area that

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kind of goes down to the forest, and this would

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be a you know, an ideal area for this type

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of creature to you know, to use as a corridor,

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to be able to walk up and down and just

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get easy prey, you know, and just have its picking

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as far as what it wanted to eat. But I

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just remember that this creature, it had some details that

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were you know, long lasting, that were very you know,

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they stuck with me, you know, And like I said,

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the eyes, the eyes were very unique looking compared to

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other animals. And the height on which it was able

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to stand. I would guesstimate that this this creature was

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probably about six six to seven feet maybe you know,

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a little you know, maybe a little bit taller, and

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it weighed a good four hundred pounds. I mean, this

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thing looked like I mean, it looked bigger than any

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bodybuilder or I mean athletic football player. You can imagine.

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It had muscles that were so defined, and it was

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so physically you know, a menacing looking that. I mean

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you could see the delts, you could see the shoulder development,

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the arms, the you know, pretty much everything. And the

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fur wasn't very long. It was long enough to cover

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the body, but still not that long to where you

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couldn't see the muscle scullar structure of this thing. And it,

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like I said, it looked like something that could just

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tear apart. Uh you know, a bear, or you know,

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even a lion or a tiger for that matter. This

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thing just looked like a freak, a freak of nature.

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And I remember hearing stories of you know, looking back

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at this and trying to do research on it. I would,

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you know, look up or you know, read about it

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and hit look up stories and hear stories about people

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saying that this creature was almost it looked awkward when

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it stood up, and when I from what I remember it,

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it actually looked very natural. The creature was able to

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stand up with ease. It felt very normal to it

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from what I can from from what I can tell,

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and I just thought it was interesting, how you know,

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once it was on its high legs, how tall it was,

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and it had I would say it had about ears

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that were about three four inches and they were kind

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of cropped up. It looked almost like a German shepherd

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type animal. But it was dark, like it was very dark.

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I looked at I remember it didn't have pause per se.

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It had these hands and it had menacing, menacing teeth.

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I remember the teeth stuck out and they were I

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mean they were. It was definitely showing its teeth to

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us to instill fear. But the impression I got was

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weird is that it wasn't after us. I don't know why,

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but it basically it almost like it took a snapshot

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of my brother and I basically knowing like, hey, yeah,

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I know you're there, I know you're watching, but you're

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not who I'm after. And after it looked at us

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like that, it continued walking away and it just, you know,

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got to the other side of the yard and it

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just jumped over the fence on the opposite side, towards

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the west end, and it walked you know away, and

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we never saw it after that. The creature reminded me

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of the you know you see in like ancient Egyptian text.

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You see them, you know, refer to this dog man

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creature as like Anubis, and to me it looked similar

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to that, but it was just you know, of course muscular.

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I mean, it was very menacing. It was you know,

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Hollywood couldn't replicate this type of realism and what it

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looked like. I mean, it was one of those things where,

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like I said, you don't want to see it again.

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It's not something I would go and search for or

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look for or want to encounter. I know some people

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say that they you know, they like looking for these

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types of things, and me personally, I don't think i'd

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ever want to see it, you know, and I would

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never definitely go looking for it again. But this creature,

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you know, you won't forget. You never forget some of

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the you know, the things that it had, as far

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as like with its its claws, it's it's altment, it's back,

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it's glutes, it's arms, all that stuff. And then the teeth.

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The teeth were very large and pronounced. I mean they

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look like they can just tear right through these creatures,

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and I remember thinking like at that time when I

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seen it, I said, you know, this is this has

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to be what has been killing these animals and just

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ripping them apart, because you know, realistically, people, I mean,

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when when you see an animal carcass like that, they're

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usually the animal that that you know is doing the

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hunting takes the animal, you know, and it's entirety, not

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just parts of it. And it was just weird how

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these you know, these heads were almost like clearly just

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cut off, like it almost looked like a you know,

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surgical incision. And you know, I and you know, like

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I said, I've talked to my brother about this and

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he can, you know, draw back on it, and he

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could refer to it to this day, you know, in

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great detail, just like I can. And I always tell people,

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you know, this owner was so real that you know,

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you could give you know, either one of us the

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light detector tests and we were both pass because this

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was a very real event and you know, this creature

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was very real. And it helps that I thought with

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him though, because it would be very hard for me

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to comprehend it, you know, if I was just by

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myself I wouldn't want you it almost I would try

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to almost like, you know, trick myself into believing that

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it wasn't real, that's how scary it was. But seeing

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it with him, I know that this entity was in

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fact there. I'm not sure if it, you know, lives

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in a different dimension, or if it's able to you know, crossover,

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or if it's just able to be you know, a

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depth at hunting and not being you know, caught. But

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it's I definitely believe that this creature hunts at night

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and it comes out at night, and yeah, you know,

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and I was looking out for it after that, and

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we were you know, I would try to keep an

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eye out and I never had another encounter after that,

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which I'm glad for. But it's just one of those

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things where, yeah, you know it's there, and you know

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it was real, and you see some of these things

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that were happening, and you know, you always, you know,

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look over your back.

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Speaker 1: You know, how can you not look over your back

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over your shoulder after an experience like that, Yeah, that's

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a given. It definitely is, Anthony. When you first saw

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it climbing down that wall, how far was it from you?

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Speaker 2: Well, when I first seen it climbing down, I would

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say it's about fifty maybe sixty five feet away, and

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I just like I said, I remember, the best way

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to describe it was, you know, imagine it seemed like

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a large tranta climbing down the wall. That's what I

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recall it looking like. It was much bigger, of course

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than a trancha, but it had that same ability to

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be able to to you know, grasp the wall and

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the ground in a way that looked very unnatural. It

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looked natural for that, but looked unnatural, and respect to

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other animals that I've seen, it didn't look normal, which

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I remember, you know, that's what initially had caught her eye.

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But it was probably about i'd say sixty feet away

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when we first noticed it climbed that climb over that wall,

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and it I mean it even it got eventually it

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got i'd say, about you know, fifteen feet away from

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us when it stood up. So I mean we had

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a pretty clear sight of it, and it was actually,

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you know, very close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's way too close for comfort. It must have

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been awfully freaky to see it coming down that wall

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that way, which brings me to the next question, which

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is what was that wall made of.

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Speaker 2: It was made of cement, cement blocks. It was you know,

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they were these are like track homes. So they built

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these homes with these laws large walls to kind of

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give you some privacy between your next neighbor. But from

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where this was climbing from, you know, over these walls,

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it was to me told me that this animal was

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just going in the backyards of people and trying to

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just you know, take take easy pickings as far as

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with its prey. And that's where it all kind of

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came together. Like I said, when I see this, I

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kind of it kind of clicked. I'm saying. I remember thinking,

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was this why the law law enforcement had you know,

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such a you know, large presence, I mean, had so

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many people investigating these mutilations. Did they think that there

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is something abnormal to what was going on? And it

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just kind of clicked. I said, you know, this is

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this could very well be the creature that's been, you know,

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responsible for a lot of these mutilations that have been

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going on in the neighborhood. Yeah, I mean it just

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like I said, it was a freak. I mean, it's

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a freak of nature. It doesn't and it was very

476
00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:01,079
athletic looking. It didn't look you know, it didn't look

477
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,680
you know, like any other creature. I can imagine. It

478
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,200
was very tall and very very developed. They could tell

479
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,880
that this thing had no problem tracking its prey and

480
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,160
being able to, you know, do what I want with it. So, yeah,

481
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,759
it was definitely menacing looking.

482
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: It must have been a freak of nature to come

483
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440
down that cinder block wall like that. Do you think

484
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,880
the fact that it was able to do that point

485
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,039
soundly towards it being supernatural in origin?

486
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:35,279
Speaker 2: You know. I tend to believe that humans we like

487
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,799
to be able to you know, put you know, an

488
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,759
understanding around everything. We want to be able to control

489
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,759
and understand the narrative and think we know everything. But

490
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:50,000
I'm under the impression that we, you know, we are

491
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:53,240
still you know, infant in our level of understanding. We

492
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,519
have a lot to learn, and I don't think we

493
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,640
have all the answers to what is going on in

494
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,279
the U universe, how it works with energy, how you know,

495
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,960
even these entities can you know, live amongst us and

496
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,319
maybe go undetected. It's hard for me to say if

497
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:13,640
it was supernatural or not. All I can say is

498
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,920
that it wasn't natural. It was unnatural. I don't know

499
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,960
if it was able to, like I said, change, you know,

500
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:25,200
and change dimensions, and they had the ability to cloak

501
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,240
itself at certain times. But I just know that, you know,

502
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:33,839
the mutilations and the creature we saw, my brother and

503
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,039
I it was very real. I mean it wasn't you know,

504
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,400
something that wasn't real. I mean it was very real,

505
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,119
and it had these features that were very you know,

506
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,319
just stink. Like I said, I mean, it's one of

507
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:50,240
those things where you can't really you can't really compare

508
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,240
it to anything out there. I mean there's really no

509
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,599
animal that I know if that can be even compared

510
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,319
to that, especially within you know, our you know that

511
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,559
southern California area. I mean, this thing looks like it

512
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,799
could take a bear out with ease. I mean it

513
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,160
was ridiculous. But yeah, the fact it was able to

514
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,680
transcend that backyard the wall and move the way it

515
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,599
did kind of led me to the thing that I

516
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,599
was watching a creature that was not known or wasn't

517
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,880
you know, people weren't aware of it. But I will

518
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,880
say that, like I said, the other stories that I've

519
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,279
heard match up with what I saw, So I know

520
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,799
that this creature is out there and it is a reality.

521
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:39,319
People are seeing it. Some people may consider it spiritual entity.

522
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,599
Some people may, you know, say, hey, this is a

523
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,279
real you know entity that's you know, that bleeds just

524
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,279
like us, it acts just like us. And I can't

525
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:49,400
say for sure, I don't know, but I just know

526
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,000
that what we did witness was real and it was there.

527
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,440
And I always tell people, you know, you pay for

528
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,880
the light detector tests to I'll take it. I have

529
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:02,680
no problem proving to people that this is this was

530
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,160
a real phenomenon, you know. And I know, you know,

531
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,640
like I said, going back and talking to my brother

532
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,839
about it, we don't you could tell that we don't.

533
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,640
He doesn't like talking about too much. I think it

534
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,119
may have affected him, you know, in ways that I

535
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,640
you know, he hasn't really disclosed me, but every time

536
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,880
we have talked about it, it's it's strange the parallels

537
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,759
that we were able to draw and how we literally,

538
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,279
I mean, we witnessed the same creature that night.

539
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Well that's what you would expect. You two had that experience.

540
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,799
There's not a hint of deception in your voice. I

541
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,160
definitely believe he had that encounters, so it's only fitting

542
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,680
that it would be that way between and your brother.

543
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,000
And like I said, I'm so glad that you can

544
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:48,279
bounce things off of him and he can do the

545
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:51,480
same with you. Thank goodness or that what was on

546
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,960
the other side of that wall though, Anthony, the.

547
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,319
Speaker 2: Other side of that wall, it was actually a street.

548
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,640
The street it wasn't if I mean, the street had

549
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,720
some cars that would go up and down it. But

550
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,440
on the other side of that street basically light that

551
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,559
little ravine area where it was basically like a grassy

552
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:16,239
area kind of like with some wild you know, outgrow

553
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,400
and some trees. And to me it looked like a

554
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,119
perfect channel, like a corridor that this creature probably would

555
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,599
would be using because it was secluded there, you know,

556
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,599
like I said, it was right. It ran perpendicular and

557
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,559
parallel with a lot of those those homes. The best

558
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,559
way to describe, you know, what it looks like is

559
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,679
almost imagine like you have a you know, a natural

560
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,159
flowing river or you know stream, and how it kind

561
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,719
of you know, makes a channel. That's kind of what

562
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,840
it looks like, just without the water. So it has

563
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,239
there is this little corridor that I believe it was

564
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,320
using and that's where I suspect it was going. We

565
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,119
didn't go afterwards. I didn't run outside to go see.

566
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:08,599
I was so petrified that I didn't want to go investigate.

567
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,800
I didn't want to go outside and see and look.

568
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,719
I I was just praying that this thing wasn't going

569
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,840
to come back and you know, pull us right out

570
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,719
of our in our pajamas. And Yeah, but if I

571
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,360
had to guess, I would say that it was most

572
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,519
likely it would probably would have went there just to

573
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:27,360
avoid detection.

574
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a great way for it to

575
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,679
move around without being seen, that is, unless it wanted

576
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,639
to be seen. Would you ever notice people and any

577
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,320
numbers back on the other side of that.

578
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:44,679
Speaker 2: Wall, as you know, I would, I didn't notice there wasn't.

579
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,320
I mean, it was at a time where there wouldn't

580
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:53,159
have been anybody there. And this creature, the way it

581
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,400
was moving and kind of the way it looked, you

582
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,400
could tell that it was I mean, it was a

583
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920
depth at hunting, and it looks like it had the

584
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,119
ability to be able to you know, move around with

585
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,880
you know, you know, not being detected. I mean, it

586
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,760
was dark. This creature was a dark colored creature. The

587
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,239
fur I would say, it's about three four inches long.

588
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,400
I remember the hands it had, these these hands, it

589
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,760
didn't have pauls like a regular dog, but the hind

590
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880
legs looked similar to hell. You know, they had almost

591
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,159
that ninety degree or that l shape to them. But

592
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,360
this thing was, you know, freakishly tall and freakishly just athletic.

593
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,280
I mean it's not it wasn't fat, it wasn't large.

594
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,039
It was just rip I mean, like I said, it

595
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,280
makes it. You could take your biggest NFL football player

596
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,800
and your most ripped athletic football player, and this thing

597
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,320
would you know, trumpet in in its overall sheer athleticism.

598
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,920
It just was a freak I mean, that's one thing

599
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,119
I remember. And when it looked at us, like I said,

600
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,960
it gave me the impression that it was communicating, but

601
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,239
it was doing it in a way telepathically, because I

602
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,440
got this, I got this, you know, this message basically

603
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,480
stating that hey, I'm not after you. If I wanted

604
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,519
to right now, I can kill you, but you're not

605
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:18,920
who I'm after. And and once it looked at us

606
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,480
and almost it was, like I said, it was almost

607
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,280
like it just took a picture of us, like a

608
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,320
screenshot image of us, and once it stared at at

609
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,760
my brother and I for about five five to ten seconds,

610
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,039
it turned turned back which was going westbound, and it

611
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:39,559
continued transcending on all fours and walking through the yard.

612
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,119
So but yeah, no, there was no people on the

613
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,920
other side. Like I said, it was just a street

614
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,719
and then it kind of goes into an amankment and

615
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,079
a little area that's lushed with you know, outgrow and

616
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,199
you know and trees and things like that. So I,

617
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,320
like I said, I think it was using that corridor

618
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,199
to do the hunting.

619
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,559
Speaker 1: Well, that definitely be a great place for it to

620
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:05,920
do that. Yeah, sounds like it would have had all

621
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,119
the time it wanted to room and do things back

622
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,400
there without ever being seen. What was the lighting like

623
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,079
though in your backyard that night?

624
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,199
Speaker 2: The lighting I we have we had some floodlights that

625
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,920
would come on from time to time, and it was

626
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,599
it wasn't completely dark, but it wasn't you know, there

627
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,000
was a little bit of you know, light flowing from

628
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,679
that floodlight that was on the side of the house

629
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,000
enough to see it, like I said, to be able

630
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:39,519
to make out the details of it as far as

631
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,119
with its you know, its hands, with its its mouth,

632
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,760
with its snout, muzzle it had, like I said, it

633
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,519
wasn't like a It didn't have that muzzle that was

634
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,559
like a pudgy muzzle. It had almost like that elongated

635
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,360
snout like you would see on a German shepherd. And

636
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,519
the ears, like I said, they cropped up so they

637
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:03,559
pointed upwards about three four inches. And I mean, you

638
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:06,639
can definitely tell, you know, I don't remember if it

639
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:10,039
had to tell I don't. I don't recall if it

640
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:14,320
did or not. I just remember it, you know, you know,

641
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,199
the basic movements it made, and you know that look

642
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:21,800
it gave us where it almost like it looks it

643
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,880
looked into your soul. You know, That's kind of the

644
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,960
way I felt like it was basically, you know, just

645
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,960
you know, like get it almost it knew we were

646
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,000
there for sure, and it was almost like just sending

647
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,280
a message. You know. I've heard a you know stories

648
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,440
where you know, afterwards, I would do the research, and

649
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,000
I've heard the stories about people that would challenge this creature,

650
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,079
and I, like I said, I didn't challenge it. I'm not.

651
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,480
I had that mindset where I'm just trying to, you know,

652
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,119
goond go on with my my evening and not you know,

653
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,840
act like I'm not even there. And the last thing

654
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,920
I thought it was going out chasing after it. But

655
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,079
I have, you know, came across stories about people that

656
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,920
did do that, and I'll never forget. There was a

657
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,840
guy that seemed one of these creatures, and I believe

658
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,360
his testimony because it sounded, you know, very similar to

659
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,079
what I saw. But he decided to challenge it and

660
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:20,199
chase after it, and it threw him in the air

661
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,920
and he ended up hitting back on the ground and

662
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,360
it just basically took almost took life out of him.

663
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,039
He was almost like sucker punch. But that was because

664
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,239
I think he challenged it, whereas me, I recognized that

665
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,119
I knew it was there, but I'm not trying to

666
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,920
challenge something like that, like I you know, I think

667
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,239
that's the wrong approach you can do with something like this.

668
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,320
You know, you don't want to, you know, go after

669
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,079
it per se, you know, just like you wouldn't go

670
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:50,199
after any any sort of you know, wild animal. It

671
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,559
just to me that wouldn't bode well for you, you know,

672
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,840
and and especially me, judging by what I saw I

673
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,840
don't you know, want to take a chance of my life.

674
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,159
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you better than to try to do that. Yeah,

675
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,719
there's no future at all in trying to challenge one

676
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,079
of these things. That's what that one guy found out

677
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:11,119
the hard way. Unfortunately, did it seem to have any

678
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,559
aversion to being in the light that that flood light

679
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:14,039
put off?

680
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: You know it did? And like I said, the light,

681
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:23,880
the light that you know was shiny. It wasn't you know,

682
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,119
super strong, but you could tell this thing like to

683
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:30,199
operate in the dark. And kind of what you know

684
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,440
cues me in on that was that its eyes were

685
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,440
you know, you see some of these animals like a

686
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,400
you know, a large you know cats or you know

687
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,719
even like an alp or say, they hunt at night

688
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,360
and their light their their eyes that became you know,

689
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,800
used to being able to see in that you know,

690
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,599
infrared or that you know, those dark perspectives, and this

691
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:57,320
creature had a similar you know look in that eye.

692
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,920
And so that told me, you know that this thing

693
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:04,320
was you know, able to see with you know, the

694
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,000
great ability at night. And so that's why I believe

695
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,119
it would hunt at night. And also it would you

696
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,159
know probably do it to go undetected so it wouldn't

697
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,360
be seen by people. But yeah, judging by what I could,

698
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:19,079
I could see it wasn't the light wasn't too bright

699
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:20,639
on it because it was on the side of the house,

700
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,800
but it was still bright enough you could see the

701
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,960
creature like. It wasn't incomplete black like a cloak. It

702
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,079
wasn't like a shadow. Now, it was very detailed. It

703
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,280
had all these different features that I'm explaining, you know about,

704
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,960
And it's hair, like I said, it wasn't like you know,

705
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,159
it's for it was almost like not like mangy, but

706
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,440
its hair was almost like you know, thin, but it

707
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,440
was about three four inches. It wasn't super long. It

708
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,039
didn't have such a thick, thick coat to it. I

709
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,360
mean because if I if I was able to see

710
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,199
the body like I was able to the muscular structure

711
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,159
of it, and I don't think the fur. I think

712
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:03,840
the fur would have hampered that if it would have

713
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,079
a big, you know, code to it. And so I

714
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:10,360
remember that the hair wasn't you know, it wasn't super thick,

715
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,199
so it was kind of you know, more like piny

716
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,880
pinty type of hair and thin, thin strands, but it

717
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920
you know, you could definitely, you know, make out some

718
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,039
of it's it's pronounced features in the teeth. I'll never

719
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:27,400
forget those teeth as well. Those teeth look like I mean,

720
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,079
it almost looked like like you were watching a saber

721
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,000
too tire. And you know, in modern day with how

722
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:36,559
large it's, it's you know, canines were it was. It

723
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:38,800
was a freakish you know. And and you hear people

724
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,960
call this creature dog man. That's a common phrase for it,

725
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,760
and that isn't accurate saying it does envision like it

726
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,440
does give you that impression that it is like a

727
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,320
werewolf dog man creature. But even then, it's like, you know,

728
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,159
it still doesn't do a justice to what this creature

729
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,440
looks like that just you know, those those mod is,

730
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,920
because this thing looked like a killing it like a machine.

731
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,679
I mean, it looked like something you know that you

732
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,719
you know, like a hell hound you would never want

733
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,840
to come across. And it's just one of those things

734
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,920
where you know, I'm even explaining it now doesn't serve

735
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,880
it justice because of what just how menacing this creature

736
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:24,719
was and just how you know, strong and unnatural it

737
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,400
looked you know, as far as with what I'm used

738
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,719
to seeing in the wild or even in my you know,

739
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,360
around my.

740
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,679
Speaker 1: Area, you'd never expect to see anything like that. That's

741
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:40,119
a given. Could either of your neighbors have seen it

742
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,679
if they would have been looking, you.

743
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:47,199
Speaker 2: Know, I thought about that. I thought about that, and

744
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,519
I've wondered if some of the neighbors did see that.

745
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:56,800
I remember I was talking about the deputies going out

746
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,800
there and doing the investigating. As and as I got older,

747
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,360
I wanted to, you know, try to just do my

748
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,559
own research on it and find out, hey, you know,

749
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,559
is there you know, is there somebody that did witness this,

750
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,800
because I believed there had to have been. I mean,

751
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,519
there had to have been. There was these mutilations, and

752
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:18,559
where where it was traveling. I mean, I don't know.

753
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:20,519
I guess I may have gotten we may have gotten

754
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:22,480
lucky seeing it at the time we did, and just

755
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:26,920
knowing that it was, you know, there, because like I said,

756
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,840
I mean, I don't even know, to be honest with you,

757
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,639
I don't, like I said, I don't even remember how

758
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,000
we picked it up on that wall, but we did,

759
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,320
and I believe that somebody else did witness I remember

760
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,079
years later, as I got older, I would ask my parents,

761
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,039
I said, hey, did you ever encounter anything? Was there

762
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,559
ever anything going on? And they remember, you know, they

763
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:51,960
would tell us about the mutilations and the occult type

764
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,320
stuff that they glow enforcems investigating. But I remember telling

765
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,559
them about this creature and they kind of shrugged it off.

766
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:02,079
But I know, my brother, you know, as we were older,

767
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:04,880
we're growing now, we would we would sit, you know,

768
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,360
repeat this same sentiment, and you could tell after a

769
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,360
while that they started to kind of believe that there

770
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,079
was something to it, like maybe it did in fact happen,

771
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,719
because our stories never change. You know, both of us

772
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,199
are you know, normal, sound minded individuals. We don't have

773
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,119
any sort of mental issues, and you know, I was

774
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,199
just curious, but I do. If I had to put

775
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,960
my you know, guests to it, I would say that

776
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:34,199
I think somebody else did witness it in that area.

777
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,360
And like I said, just because it's you know, where

778
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,920
we sit. We were sitting, we sit next to you know,

779
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,840
houses and you know, on the side of us in

780
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,079
the back and it was using that you know, that

781
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,519
corridor to do the hunting. So it was literally just

782
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,199
going in the backyards just trying to pick up its prey.

783
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,480
And uh, I mean at the time, me and my

784
00:46:56,599 --> 00:47:00,760
brother and my family, we had two large dogs. We

785
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,239
had a bull mastive and an American bulldog. And these

786
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,800
dogs were what I mean, there's one hundred and fifty

787
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,159
hundred and sixty pounds the bull mastive. So it wasn't

788
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,119
like we were not used to seeing large, you know,

789
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,519
animals around us. We knew, you know, we had a

790
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,519
good idea of what you know, an animal cowagh and

791
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,400
you know, being around them, we felt comfortable. But this

792
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,360
this creature looked like it could you know, it just

793
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,280
it looked like something that you couldn't even you know,

794
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,079
I mean a movie wouldn't even do a justice in

795
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:34,599
like a you know, a Hollywood couldn't even make this

796
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:35,880
thing look as scary as it did.

797
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,119
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't doubt that at all. Can you

798
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,440
think of anything at all, Anthony, that was in your

799
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,480
backyard that night that might have drawn it?

800
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: Well, we do, like I said, we did have animals,

801
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,079
you know, and at night what we would do is

802
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:57,119
we would take these animals inside, you know, just because

803
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,719
after that occult, you know, issued that that stuff, and

804
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,840
after you started finding these creatures being mutilated, we decided

805
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,599
that we would start bringing our animals inside, and so

806
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,119
we would you know, put them upstairs with us, and

807
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,000
you know, they'd sleep in either in a cage or

808
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,079
they'd be you know, just roaming the inside of the house.

809
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,880
But our animals, you know, would be inside. So I

810
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,320
don't know if it may have sense or smelt. Animals

811
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,880
maybe had picked up on their you know, on their vowels,

812
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,559
maybe had picked up on their food, their scent. But

813
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:33,039
I think maybe the animals could have drawn it in.

814
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: That we have, Yeah, that would make sense. That just

815
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,599
might be. You gave us a good description of the

816
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,679
musculature of its back, But was there anything unusual about

817
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,719
it's here the heir on its back. Was it three

818
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,519
to four inches the same way it was and the

819
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:53,800
rest of its body or was it different?

820
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was you know, about three four inches, but

821
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,480
you know, all around its body. Uh, it's it didn't

822
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:06,280
have hair on its face, and it didn't have hair

823
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,960
around its hands. But it had a kind of a

824
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,840
uniformed you know look to it. But like I said,

825
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,320
the hair wasn't very thick. It was you know, almost

826
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,039
like I guess similar to like how you would see

827
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:24,559
a you know, a coyote or you know one of these,

828
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,079
you know types of animals that you know have more

829
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,760
of that thin hair. But yeah, no, it wasn't. It

830
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,400
didn't have like a bear's fur or even you know,

831
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:37,360
like a huskies type of fur. It wasn't very thick coat,

832
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,559
so that is one thing ended, But it was pretty uniform.

833
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:42,880
I remember that it wouldn't have like patches or anything

834
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,239
like that. It was still clear enough that you could see.

835
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,400
I remember seeing its muscular structure and like its back

836
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,719
and its slats and it's delts, and it had that

837
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,400
you know that look, you know where you could really

838
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,599
see through it. So that tells me that it's coke.

839
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,400
Its fur was not very thick. It wasn't.

840
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,079
Speaker 1: I didn't hear you mentioned any any hint of a

841
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,159
maine or anything like that. So that's what that question

842
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:11,760
was all about.

843
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you say it, because I've been

844
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
wanting to kind of, you know, say that, I'm thinking

845
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,519
like maybe it could have been like there could have

846
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,159
been maybe something similar to that, but it didn't. I

847
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,440
didn't notice any patches, so that's why I didn't want

848
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,280
to say for sure it is mange. But it did

849
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,800
have that type of look where you see an animal

850
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,840
that has means, Like you can see a little bit

851
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,320
of hair, but you still can see underneath it's skeletal structured,

852
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,039
you know, I mean, it's muscular structure underneath the fur.

853
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:40,800
So I don't it's hard to say if it had means,

854
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,920
but I just from what I would call it didn't

855
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,159
have patches, but it was it's it's it's skin and

856
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:50,039
its muscles had the ability to be seen like you know,

857
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,840
if you were to look at a bear in your backyard,

858
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,599
because I've seen a lot of bears going, you know,

859
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,920
hiking and camping out in like Yosemite and up in

860
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,760
the you know, big and things like that, And when

861
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,239
you see these bears, I mean, it just looks like,

862
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,920
you know, a solid brown object, but you don't really

863
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:09,639
I mean, you know, you see the math, but you

864
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:14,239
don't really see the details of the muscular prowess. And

865
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,519
this creature I remember seeing it had very detailed anatomy

866
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:18,960
to it.

867
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,159
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry interrupt you please continue.

868
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: Well, no, not just what I was, you know, you

869
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,400
know I was referring to it did have you know

870
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:33,679
that you know, that look to it where you were

871
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,119
able to see it. You know, it's coat and it's

872
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,199
it's muscle through the first So that tells me it

873
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,480
wasn't very very thick.

874
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't asking about means

875
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,000
with that particular question. I was asking if it had

876
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,519
a mean, But it sounds like it didn't have one.

877
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: You described it. Oh no, it didn't have a mean.

878
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,039
Speaker 1: No, No, I see. I listened to you describe the

879
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,000
muscular turren it's back, and I didn't hear any hint

880
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,480
of it having a hump on its back. Is that

881
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,400
accurate or was there a hump?

882
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: No, there was no hump it. When it stood up,

883
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:14,559
it stood up in a way that was pretty erect.

884
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,400
The back was pretty straight, and so was the head.

885
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:21,559
I mean, it looked it looked similar to like the

886
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:23,840
way a human would stand up. But the only thing

887
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,039
that was different was its hind legs that, like I said,

888
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:30,079
it had that pivot to it, that l shape where

889
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,960
you look at a back a dog's hind leg. It

890
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:37,559
can't get the full, you know, full fluctuation of a

891
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,760
joint muscle, and it kind of had a little, you know,

892
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:44,599
a little arch to the back hind leg, but the

893
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,119
rest of the body stood stood very tall and very straight.

894
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,119
It wasn't hunched over, it didn't you know. When it

895
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:54,239
stood up, it stood up, you know, to kind of

896
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,960
almost let itself you know, be seen like known that. Hey,

897
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:00,280
you know you don't want to you know, you don't

898
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,239
want to try try anything stupid right now.

899
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't have been a good move to do that,

900
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:08,480
to try anything stupid. But it sounds like you were

901
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:12,280
way too smart to try anything like that. Anyway, That's

902
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,599
always a good thing. It obviously was frightening to look at.

903
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,920
But did it look evil in your opinion.

904
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,599
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it did. It most certainly did this creature

905
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,880
judging from its teeth and it's look it definitely looked

906
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,960
look evil like. It looked like something you know that

907
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:36,079
just was you know, it was menacing, and it looked

908
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,320
like it was could be very easily at the top

909
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,480
of our food chain. And like I said, there's so

910
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,360
much historical information that kind of tells the stories of

911
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:52,440
these these dogmen or these wolfmen, and this creature just

912
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,079
I mean it looked very I mean it almost looked

913
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,559
like old, like it had like it's been around for

914
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:02,079
generations like it didn't. And to me it seems like

915
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,920
it's you know, it's it probably has been roaming in

916
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,119
this earth for a long time. Judging by my analysis

917
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:12,199
of it, you know, looked very looked, didn't look awkward

918
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,679
at all in its environment. It looked very adept at

919
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,880
hunting and its movements. And yeah, but when it stood up,

920
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,519
it stood up anywhere, you know, to about seven feet tall,

921
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,239
and it looked very unnatural and very menacing, like you know,

922
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,440
with the teeth and everything. I mean it and I

923
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,400
want to say, I don't know if its teeth were

924
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,679
just like that naturally, but I mean it was definitely

925
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:39,079
showing its canines like it was showing its teeth, and

926
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:40,960
I mean it looks like it could just, you know,

927
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,119
I mean, tear through flesh without a problem. The teeth

928
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,519
had to have been you know, I mean a good

929
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:49,159
inch or longer. I mean, they were huge from what

930
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:52,599
I recall, and they stuck out of its snout. You know,

931
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:54,400
it had that kind of like I said, that German

932
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,400
shepherd snout. But the teeth were very menacing and they

933
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,920
were very large and pronounced.

934
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part for the course when it comes to

935
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,400
these things. Do you remember any strange things happening when

936
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,599
you lay in bed at night back then, like tapping

937
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:12,159
on your windows for example.

938
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: You know, yes, there were a lot of strange occurrences

939
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,880
that that would take place, you know, tapping on the windows.

940
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,320
Like I said, I felt almost like I was being

941
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,480
watched outside my window. And it's funny because my window

942
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,079
where I sit on the top of the floor sits,

943
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,159
you know, directly where that that creature would have you know,

944
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,519
climbed that wall. So I mean you could literally look

945
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:42,840
out and you would see that area where that creature

946
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,920
would have been, and there would be little, you know,

947
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,880
strange things that happened at that house. You know that

948
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,800
you really it's hard to explain. You would hear noises

949
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,239
or you would hear you know, tapping sounds. You would

950
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,480
hear you know, things getting you know, knocked around or

951
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,760
you know, pushed over, and you know, and there's just

952
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:06,800
there wasn't really an explanation for it. But I just

953
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,000
remember that I would always be fearful growing up, and

954
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,519
especially after that encounter. I remember even going to the bathroom,

955
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,079
I would be nervous, you know, I was just on edge.

956
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,119
You just felt like you know, something was there watching

957
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:25,880
you outside, you know, and and I you know, I

958
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,679
don't know even you know, years now. I don't know

959
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,559
if we've had any experiences recently, but that that that place,

960
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:37,039
that area gives a certain you know, energy, a vibe

961
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,840
to it that is definitely to me a little a

962
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,960
little a little off, you know. I don't feel that

963
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,920
at every every location. And so, yeah, there were strange

964
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,159
things that would happen, you know, lights would go on

965
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,880
and off, things like that. So I don't, you know,

966
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,079
I don't know if it's just you know, just the

967
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,199
you know, common common place where we you know, seeing

968
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,360
these things, or if it was something that was supernatural

969
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,039
being caused. But I don't know. But yeah, no, it

970
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:04,159
was definitely a unique place. You know.

971
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: Sure sounds like it. And it's bad enough you had

972
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,000
to deal with seeing the thing, but you have to

973
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,159
go through all that tapping on the windows and all

974
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:16,079
that stuff at nighttime when you're in bed. That's just

975
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:18,159
too much, that really is.

976
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: I agree.

977
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: Did your brother tell your parents about what had happened

978
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,639
that night, what you saw, and if so, how long

979
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:27,039
did you wait to tell them?

980
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: Well, my brother and I I know, I we both

981
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:38,960
told them. We didn't tell them initially, just because, like

982
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,920
you said, you don't really think people are going to

983
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,760
hear you. They're not going to really listen to you.

984
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,119
I don't even remember, to be honest with you, telling

985
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,760
the friends of mine. I remember just you know, confiding

986
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:54,079
in my brother. And as we got older, we you know,

987
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,840
we disclosed this and we spoke with my parents about it,

988
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,320
and my mom, you know, she I could still tell

989
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,400
that she really didn't believe, you know, in our experience.

990
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,199
But I know, I think my dad eventually, you know,

991
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,800
started coming to the belief that, hey, you know, maybe

992
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,840
they did see something. But we we waited till we

993
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,159
were adults, you know, because I just don't think anybody

994
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,199
would have listened to us back then. And I kept

995
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:22,840
it in, you know, we would talk about it with

996
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,119
each other, but we kept this in for years and

997
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:31,320
and never really telling anybody. And even now to this day,

998
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,239
I don't really share the information or what I've witnessed

999
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,320
too many people, you know. I like, you know, channels

1000
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,760
like these where you can you know, get an understanding

1001
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,039
of what other people have experience and you can kind of,

1002
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,400
you know, compare them to what you've experienced and it

1003
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,400
lets you know that, hey, yeah there is something to this,

1004
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:52,639
and there are other people out there that have dealt

1005
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:56,480
with this, but I don't think they would have been

1006
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:58,519
recepted my parents if we were to tell them when

1007
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:01,239
we were young. So we kind of just kept that

1008
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,199
bottled in for years until we became adults. And that's when,

1009
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,440
you know, we you know, we confided with them and

1010
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,039
told them, and it took us a few times, you know,

1011
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,119
to kind of get it through, especially, you know, my

1012
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:16,039
dad wasn't believing me at first, and then I told

1013
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:18,800
you know, my brother told him, and we told him

1014
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,199
numerous times, and he would keep saying, now, now you

1015
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,599
didn't see that. I'm like, yes, yes, yes, we did.

1016
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,039
It was real. I was there, and eventually you could

1017
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:29,039
tell that he started to kind of believe that, hey,

1018
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:32,320
you know, this could be very real. And he's I mean,

1019
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,000
he's he's had that house blessed. Afterwards, he's tried to

1020
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,880
you know, put you know, certain things around it, just

1021
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:44,199
to kind of keep the house pure. But yeah, no,

1022
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,039
I mean, it was, you know, one of those things

1023
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:48,039
where you don't really trust people with telling, you know,

1024
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:50,719
because I mean, not too many people are talking about

1025
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,840
dog man or werewolf. When you go to your you know,

1026
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,679
your school, or when you're talking with your friends, Nobody really,

1027
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:00,000
you know, can relate to that for the most part,

1028
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,440
unless they've actually had an eyewitness encounter. And I've always

1029
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,639
told people, you know, you may laugh or you may say, yeah,

1030
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,920
this is you know, far fetched, but when it happens

1031
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,039
to you or you know, if it ever does happen

1032
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,159
to you, hopefully it doesn't, it does, it will change

1033
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:20,599
your life. It will change the way you go about

1034
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,400
life and you interpret life because you'll realize that, hey,

1035
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,519
you know, what we're really you know, insignificant in the

1036
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,280
scheme of things like we're you know, we have a

1037
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,840
lot to learn as far as the universe, how energy works,

1038
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,679
how the environment works, how you know, there's capabilities of

1039
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,400
things that we could not fathom are real, that are

1040
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,719
in fact real. And I generally like to refer back

1041
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,000
to you know, historical you know, texts and things of

1042
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:51,800
that nature, because a lot of times, you know, these

1043
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,840
stories you hear about these types of creatures, whether they're

1044
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,360
biblical or whether they're in you know, scriptures or Egyptian

1045
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:04,800
you know, higher glyphs. They tend to tell a story

1046
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,480
that you know, a lot of times people can just

1047
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:09,679
you know, dismiss, but a lot of times these stories

1048
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,280
have are based in a little bit of truth. And

1049
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,079
I think that this creature has been around for you know,

1050
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:21,159
thousands of years, and I don't think it's something that

1051
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,559
you know, is you know. I think it's you know,

1052
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,440
very accustomed to this plane. And I think people have

1053
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:31,400
been experienced it for thousands of years, and I think

1054
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,039
people will continue to experience it. But yeah, it's it's

1055
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:36,519
one of those things. When you see it, it will

1056
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,760
change your life and you'll will become a believer. I mean,

1057
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,039
it forces you to. You know, as much as I'd

1058
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:46,239
like to act like it didn't happen and imagine it

1059
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:49,719
didn't happen, it was definitely a real event. And like

1060
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,400
I said, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

1061
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: Sure would have been nice if it didn't happen, but

1062
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,960
you can't fool yourself, you know it did. Fortunately, how

1063
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,719
close is your present home to where you lived back then?

1064
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: Well, I live I'm in I live some distance away.

1065
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,360
I would say I live about an hour and a

1066
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,960
half away now, but my my family still lives in

1067
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,360
that property. And they still you know, they still live there,

1068
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,400
and you know, I'll go by there every once in

1069
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,800
a while, but it's rarely at night. It's usually during

1070
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,400
the day, and you know, I'll just go to kind

1071
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,960
of you know, say hi to my family and you know,

1072
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,760
say hi to my father, things like that. But I

1073
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,599
live about an hour and a half away. I'm living

1074
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:41,119
in the Palm Springs area now, so it's a good

1075
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:44,679
good amount of way a distance from there. But my

1076
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,639
relatives and family still do live there at that same

1077
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,119
property that we have the experience out.

1078
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: Does it bring me any solace knowing that you're so

1079
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:56,920
far away from where this experience happened, or when you

1080
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,960
go out late at night to take the trash out

1081
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,639
or maybe to get the do you still have that

1082
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,000
concern that it might be out there or a different dog,

1083
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:06,000
it might be out there.

1084
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: You know it It does, But I feel like, you know,

1085
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,280
this creature or one of it, you know, say, one

1086
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,840
of its family members, I mean, if they if they

1087
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,800
wanted to, I don't know. It does bring solace knowing

1088
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,800
that there's some space in between. But to think that

1089
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,280
this is just the only one and there's not more

1090
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,519
out there, I think that would be, you know, I don't.

1091
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:34,800
I don't think that's based in reality. I think there's

1092
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,280
you know, more of them there. I think they're all

1093
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,519
around Probably they're around us more than we think. And

1094
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,559
I think some people, you know, get a glimpse and

1095
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:49,400
they're able to see them, and others they don't. I've

1096
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:53,519
done research on it. I've tried to look up other

1097
01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:56,079
people that have had encounters in that area, and I'll

1098
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,719
even look up in my area now just to see,

1099
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:01,199
you know, if I need to be worried about anything.

1100
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,159
And yeah, I mean, these things are they affect a

1101
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:06,519
lot of people, you know, I mean, and it doesn't matter.

1102
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,639
I mean you could see it in places from the

1103
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:14,320
mid Midwest to the south, to the Appellation, to the

1104
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:19,760
to the north, the Pacific wet Northwest. I mean, these things,

1105
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,719
I feel like they transcend all areas and they're able

1106
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,599
to move in all corridors. Because like I said, there's really,

1107
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,719
in my opinion, there's no creature that can really, you know,

1108
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:34,119
take this creature on. I mean, it looks like it

1109
01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:36,599
would be the top of the food chain. So I

1110
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:40,719
don't know, outside of maybe humans being its biggest threat,

1111
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,960
I don't know who also be what other type of

1112
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,440
animal would even be able to, you know, stand a

1113
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:47,800
chance against this type of creature.

1114
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're definitely in a lot more places. What would

1115
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:57,639
be convenient? That's a given right there. Unfortunately, I still

1116
01:04:57,639 --> 01:05:00,880
don't know the answer to this question the Anthony. Who

1117
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:04,440
was more strongly affected by that encounter? You or your brother?

1118
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: That's hard to say. I think I would probably say

1119
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,559
I was affected by it more, and just because I

1120
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:22,760
felt like it was communicating to me, just like it

1121
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,239
was you know, I felt like it was trying to

1122
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,840
convey a message. But yeah, it's I think it's affected

1123
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,039
me more, you know, because he hasn't he at least

1124
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,400
he you know, with him, how he deals with it.

1125
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,840
He tends to keep it more quiet. He doesn't you know,

1126
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:41,519
he doesn't tell people about it too often. He will

1127
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,639
confide in me, but I would imagine he hasn't told

1128
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,519
too many people also outside of me and maybe my parents.

1129
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,599
But uh, I think probably it affected me a little

1130
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:53,400
bit more because I was younger. I was two years

1131
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,360
younger than him. He was two years older. And yeah,

1132
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,559
so I would probably say it affected me a little

1133
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:01,000
bit more.

1134
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: Well, that's understandable. Like I said, you were two years younger.

1135
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:09,519
In most cases, two years difference isn't going to add

1136
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,960
up to that much, but when you're that age, it

1137
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:16,519
definitely does. So it's understandable it'd be more affected than

1138
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,199
he was. It really is. Well, it's about time for

1139
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,840
us to get out, if you're Anthony, but before we do,

1140
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,760
give any clothes and comments you'd like to put out

1141
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:25,719
there for us.

1142
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: I just you know, I really appreciate what you do, Vic,

1143
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,000
and I love you your channel and your radio station,

1144
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:38,599
your show. I'm a regular listener, and I like the

1145
01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:41,880
way you know, you approach things and how you give

1146
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,960
people the ability to speak about these encounters because, like

1147
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,840
I said, twenty five years twenty twenty five years ago,

1148
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,599
we didn't have this ability, we didn't have this capability

1149
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:58,400
to be able to you know, tell people or even

1150
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,599
talk about it. So having this sort of a channel, uh,

1151
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:07,280
to relate to and educate yourself with it is very welcoming.

1152
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:11,280
It's much appreciated, and you your your ability to be

1153
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:16,519
able to connect with your audience and your your interviewees

1154
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,679
is uh. You know, it's definitely a skill and I

1155
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:22,440
recognize that. That's why I, you know, even came on

1156
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:26,599
here to share my story because I'm not very you know,

1157
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,400
keen on just letting everyone and their mother know about

1158
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:33,559
my encounter. I'm more of a private person. I like

1159
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:37,280
to tend to keep things to myself. But it is

1160
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,760
much appreciated what you do, and I just want you

1161
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,599
to keep up the good work. And you know, I'll

1162
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:46,519
be definitely tuning in every night like I do and

1163
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:50,440
just trying to grow and understand more about what it

1164
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:53,320
is this creature is and what I encounter that day.

1165
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for the good words, and yeah, of course,

1166
01:07:57,519 --> 01:07:59,199
I'll do the best I can to keep doing what

1167
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,840
I do and to try to help the eyewitnesses. Wouldn't

1168
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,119
have it any other way. But having said that, Anthony,

1169
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:08,039
thanks again so much for coming on and share the

1170
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:14,559
details of that experience with us. I really appreciate it.

1171
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: My pleasure, and you know, definitely has been an honor

1172
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,520
to be on your show. And like I said, I

1173
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,319
appreciate it and thank you very much for taking the time.

1174
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,119
Speaker 1: Oh, you're welcome, The honor is allmine. Have a good

1175
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:30,520
night you too. Well, that's another one in the books. Everyone,

1176
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,199
thanks again so much for listening. As always, I really

1177
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:36,119
do appreciate it and if you happen to be a

1178
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dog mean eyewitness, if you'd like to speak with me

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about your encounter because you're traumatized and need help, or

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if you like to come on the show and share

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your experience with the listeners, please go to dogmyandecounters dot

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com and submit a report. If you do that, then

1183
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I'll be more than happy to contact you and schedule

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a phone consultation with you so we can have a

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good talk about your experience or experiences. This sometimes happens.

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But having said that, thanks again so much for listening

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and have a great night.