1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:06,799 of there. 3 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: I was done. 4 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 3: I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,920 is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. 6 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:23,839 When I turned my head lights on, it turned and 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,039 looked at us. And one of the things I remember 8 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:28,760 the most, where the eyes were glowing red. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,399 Speaker 4: I see an orb of light. 10 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:37,039 Speaker 1: It is just circling these steps. 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: Like it is waiting for me. 12 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,359 Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about. 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,159 and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,359 nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye 17 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,359 contact with this thing, and don't like death. 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,079 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Tinfoil Teals. I'm your host Brandon Tonight 19 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:11,719 we're gonna be joined by my guest, Sergio. Thanks for 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,879 coming on here and talking to me. 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,079 Speaker 3: Would you like to let the audience know a little 23 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:18,640 bit about yourself before we get into it. 24 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:22,079 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like Brandon said, my name is Sergio. 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 5: Currently living in Florida, but a lot of my life 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,280 in Indianapolis, and I just kind of wanted to talk 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:35,280 about an experience I had with a shadow being in Indianapolis, 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,400 and that's really it. I'm an Army vet and love 29 00:01:42,439 --> 00:01:43,439 listening to the podcast. 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,879 Speaker 4: I appreciate that. And you're a fellow Hoosier. 31 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,079 Speaker 3: So even though you might not be here now, there's 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,120 still one originally. So I always appreciate when my fellow 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Indiana people reach out to me. But you said you 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,400 had an encounter with a shadow type of a person. 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,439 Do you want to get started whether you can just 36 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:10,800 kind of when did it happen and will from there. 37 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:15,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this was back several years back. 38 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 5: I think I was nineteen twenty years old. I'm in 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,639 my thirties now. This was in Indianapolis in Lawrence Township. 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,759 Actually went to high school in Lawrence North High School. 41 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,960 And I was just kind of hanging out with my 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,599 friends during the summer, a summer or two after I 43 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,639 had graduated high school and just before I left for 44 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:45,000 the for the Army, and we were just hanging out, 45 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:48,479 you know, late night, ten eleven o'clock. We were hanging 46 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:52,479 out in front of my friends garage, sitting on his 47 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,400 on his grandfather's the tailgate of his truck, and we 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,439 were talking for for a couple of hours. Time was 49 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:04,120 flying by, you know, We're just having fun talking guy stuff. 50 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:09,039 Speaker 2: And then it hits around like three three thirty am. 51 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 5: Like I said, we were out there for a while, 52 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:15,360 and then I hear this rustling in the in the 53 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,759 bushes on the house across the street from us. And 54 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,199 I'm sitting there on the tailgate with with two of 55 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,879 my friends. And for the sake of this interview, I'll 56 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,199 just call them T and D because I haven't asked 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,840 their permission, and T is sadly passed away in the interim, 58 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,000 Like I said, I heard some rustling in the bushes, 59 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:40,479 and I was like, you know, well, you know what's that. 60 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:41,919 You know, it's three o'clock in the morning, and it's 61 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,560 pretty loud, and I'm like, oh, maybe it's a raccoon 62 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,439 or something. And then we kind of continue continue talking, 63 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:51,280 even though it was it rustled the whole bush and 64 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:53,800 it was like a sizeable bush in front of the house. 65 00:03:55,479 --> 00:03:58,240 Talk for a couple more minutes, maybe five ten more 66 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:03,759 minutes pass, and then I hear the the metal of 67 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:07,759 the gutter on the house kind of go and I'm like, 68 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:13,199 what's what's that? And we're looking over and holding onto 69 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,240 the gutter. Uh, and kind of duck walking towards us. 70 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,439 Is Uh, this shadow creature with its head still above 71 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:25,399 the gutter, but the stew on a duck walk kind 72 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:30,720 of inch yeah, inching closer and closer. And then I 73 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:35,399 go to ask my buddy, hey, you see that, and uh, 74 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:37,279 And to my left that was Tee. 75 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:38,399 Speaker 2: He's gone. 76 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:42,319 Speaker 5: He's already ran off to his his house. He's nowhere 77 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:44,639 to be seen. And then I looked to my right 78 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:47,399 and these you know, terrified. He's like, he's like, dude, 79 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:49,600 I don't know what that is. I'm out of here. 80 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:53,839 And he runs off and then it's just me. And 81 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:57,800 by the time I look straight forward, this thing's in 82 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,800 the middle of the h of the street, of the 83 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,759 of the neighborhood street there, like from the house maybe 84 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:08,639 fifty feet away to the middle of the street. 85 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,399 Speaker 2: In the time it took me to move or look 86 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,319 left and right, to talk to my buddies. 87 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 5: And to kind of describe what this thing looked like, 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:26,480 it was like a solid person, a normal like proportioned head, 89 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:32,639 a longer neck, super long arms and legs, and the 90 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,680 hands were very long too, and it was very solid 91 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,079 black in the core and it's but it was almost 92 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,199 as if you were to draw somebody maybe excuse me, 93 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,360 on Photoshop and then kind of blur them on the 94 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:55,319 edges and then have smoke coming off of them. And 95 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,839 this is the within you know, fifteen thirty seconds of 96 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:00,360 seeing this thing, Like I said that it's in the 97 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:03,639 middle of the road, and at this point, I'm like, 98 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:10,800 I'm terrified. It feels as if it's telling me, like 99 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,439 not actually telling me that you're in like you are 100 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,920 in trouble and you know you're in danger. But that's 101 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,879 the feeling I'm getting off of it. I'm not hearing 102 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,600 anything in my head. It's just kind of a like 103 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,439 a terrifying feeling. Like I said, I decide to run 104 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,519 towards my house and my friend lived. 105 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: I would say a quarter mile from my. 106 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 5: House down down this long road of the of the neighborhood. 107 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,920 My house was the was right at the end of 108 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,959 the road. If you if you walk straight down the road, 109 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,519 and so I'm booking it, like running as as fast 110 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:51,439 as i can, and I'm looking back and this thing 111 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:55,680 is walking slowly, but it's keeping pace with me. 112 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:57,079 Speaker 2: Because it's so big. 113 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 5: I would say maybe eleven twelve feet tall at the least, 114 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,199 just because its head had been above the gutter, even 115 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,439 at a like a duck walk kind of bent at 116 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:14,160 the knees, like pretty significantly, maybe even thirteen feet. 117 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:15,399 Speaker 2: It was very very tall. 118 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 5: It's chasing me, it's and I'm I'm running, I'm running 119 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,720 and running, and then I finally get to my house 120 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:24,319 and I'm looking for the keys, you know, they where 121 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:27,519 I used to hide them, and they weren't there. 122 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,319 Speaker 2: And so I start. 123 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:31,439 Speaker 5: Banging on the door, banging on the door, you know, 124 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,759 begging for my mom to let me in. She comes 125 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,560 to the door angry at me, you know, nineteen year 126 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,519 old her at nineteen year old son's coming to the 127 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:42,800 door at you know, three forty five four in the morning, 128 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,279 banging on the door, and she's asking, you know, what's 129 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:47,519 going on, what's happening where? 130 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,879 Speaker 2: You know, where have you been? And I told her, hey, 131 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:52,000 you know, I'm being chased. You know, I'm just like. 132 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: Telling her, like, something's chasing me, something's after me. I think, 133 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,160 you know, it wants me. And you know, my mom says, 134 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,000 I don't know what you're talking about. Get in the house, 135 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:07,279 and you know, she slams the door, and she keeps 136 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:08,959 talking to me about it, and I'm like, there's something 137 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:09,240 out there. 138 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,279 Speaker 2: There's something out there. And then I look. 139 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 5: I go to look out the door because at the 140 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:21,839 top of the door there's these windows cut out, and 141 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,199 my mom can't see through them because she's fairly short, 142 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,399 but I'm six feet tall, so I can. I can 143 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:29,240 see through them fairly easily, and I see it's in 144 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,559 my driveway, but it's starting to kind of, for lack 145 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,919 of better terms, I get vacuumed into the sky. I 146 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,639 already see, like I can only see the torso and 147 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:48,679 it's just getting like black smoke vacuumed into the sky. 148 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,840 And then after that, I think, like about a month 149 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,960 or so, because this is an extended experience, I should 150 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,399 have I should have led with that. But a month 151 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:03,480 or so later, I'm just watching TV in my living room. 152 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,440 It's not too late, maybe eight nine o'clock at night, 153 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,039 and then my two dogs start like barking like crazy, 154 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,720 crazy barking at the backyard and they don't typically they 155 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,600 didn't typically do that, So I'm like, you know, what's 156 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:23,639 going on? And I go to the big glass door 157 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,440 and I move the curtains and standing right in the 158 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,120 middle of my backyard is this thing. And I feel 159 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,600 the same panic and the same terror that I felt 160 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:40,159 before this maybe and fifteen seconds passes as I'm looking 161 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,279 at it, and then I see the entire thing once 162 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,519 again get sucked back into the sky, but. 163 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: Starting from the head, so you. 164 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 5: Could see the head kind of disappear, then the torso, 165 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:56,240 then the legs and so on. 166 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: Very very weird experience, yeah, geez. 167 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,639 Speaker 5: And then I think, like three and a half months 168 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:15,919 something like that passes, and I'm walking home from a 169 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,679 friend's house that lives I lived in this giant neighborhood 170 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,120 complex with a bunch of different neighborhoods inside of it, 171 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:27,320 and my entrance was to the west, and where my 172 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,360 friend lived was all the way on the other side 173 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:35,080 to the east, I believe, And you know, we were 174 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,000 just hanging out at their house, having a little cookout. 175 00:10:38,759 --> 00:10:43,720 And then again I leave, maybe I don't know, no 176 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:46,600 later than nine ten o'clock at night to walk back home. 177 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,080 And then you know, I'm walking, and I'm walking, just 178 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,039 listening to music, and all of a sudden, I get 179 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:02,879 to this corridor of like fir trees that's maybe halfway there, 180 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:07,679 maybe a mile from my house. And then I start 181 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,440 to feel kind of weird, like kind of nervous, and now, 182 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:13,879 you know, I'm starting to look forward instead of looking. 183 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,399 Speaker 2: Down at my phone. 184 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 5: And then from the right side of the trees, this 185 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,279 thing takes one step. And this is a fairly wide 186 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:27,799 road where you know, you can drive two cars, you know, 187 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:30,799 going opposite directions and then have cars parked on side, 188 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,480 so it's fairly wide. But it takes one step from 189 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:38,240 where the trees were, which were maybe like six feet 190 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,759 from uh where the sidewalk ends to get onto the street. 191 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:46,639 Takes one step, and it's like almost in the middle 192 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,720 of the road, and it turns and just is looking 193 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:53,440 at me, and I start to feel the intense terror again. 194 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,559 At this time I'm thinking of them asself, this is it. 195 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,480 I'm done, like there's nothing I can do. And this time, 196 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:06,879 maybe five ten seconds, very quick, it just turns and 197 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:11,039 continues walking into the trees. And I don't see it, 198 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,720 you know, go up into the sky or anything. It 199 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,120 just walks into the trees. And that's when I say 200 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,279 to myself, this is it. This is your opportunity, and 201 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:22,080 I book it home and I look behind me. I 202 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,320 don't see it again. It's not chasing me, nothing like that. 203 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:29,559 And then I no longer feel the terror. As I'm 204 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,000 getting to my house. You know, I get into my house, 205 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,759 I'm freaked out. I don't sleep at all that night, 206 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,279 and maybe two three days later is the final time 207 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,159 I see this thing. But it wasn't the full apparition. 208 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,879 It was maybe dinner time, not dinner time, lunchtime, and 209 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,559 my mom had just finished cooking, and she called me 210 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,120 downstairs from my room. And as I'm exiting my room, 211 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,799 I get about halfway through the doorway of my room 212 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,720 and I see this black smoke coming into my room 213 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,960 from the right side, maybe six to eight feet away 214 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,919 from me, and it comes down right in front of 215 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:21,360 me and forms a solid ball maybe four to five 216 00:13:21,399 --> 00:13:24,639 inches in diameter right in front of me, has the 217 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,480 same solid shape with the smoke coming off, and I 218 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:31,679 feel the same exact feeling, but this time it is 219 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,120 very clearly saying you know, I've got you, this is it, 220 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,879 this is your time. It's like I hear these words, man. 221 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:49,080 And then the weirdest part of it all, it's probably 222 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,519 in front of me maybe five seconds and from the 223 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,559 right side. 224 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,039 Speaker 2: Of my room. I see two. 225 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 5: Like same diameter mercury looking balls that come one on 226 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,000 top and one on the other or one underneath the 227 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,679 black orb. 228 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: That is. 229 00:14:08,519 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 5: I'm convinced it was the same shadow creature because it 230 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,519 gave me the same feeling. And all of a sudden, 231 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:18,480 they just kind of like shut down, like closed in 232 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,759 on the black orb, and it does like a camera flash, 233 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:25,440 and then I'm just, uh, you know, I yell and 234 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,519 I let out, I let out some profanities, and then 235 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,120 I hear my mom say like, hey, what you know, 236 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,360 what's what's that? And because she doesn't like me me, 237 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,279 she didn't like me cursing at the time. And then 238 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,080 maybe two three seconds later, I hear her say the 239 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,519 same thing because uh, she had seen that. So she 240 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:52,240 comes around the stairs. She said, did you see that? 241 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,759 And I was like, yeah, this black orb and there 242 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,840 was this flash, and I'm telling her everything. 243 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:02,399 Speaker 2: He tells me, oh, no, I saw three mercury looking. 244 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,159 Speaker 5: Orbs, and she said, I told this story before, and 245 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:08,919 I always remember her saying they went through the window, 246 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,720 but I spoke with her the other day about it, 247 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:17,120 and she told me that they went down through the 248 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,519 floor and one went up through the ceiling and they 249 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:25,960 made a big camera flash. And the craziest part about 250 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,399 those orbs is the moment that that flash happened was 251 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,440 probably the most intense piece I've ever felt in my life, 252 00:15:34,039 --> 00:15:39,879 and all the terror went away, Like everything just was 253 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:44,679 like okay, I knew that everything was okay, and from 254 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,879 that point, I never I never saw this thing again. 255 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,600 But yeah, it was definitely one of the more visceral 256 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:56,840 experiences that I that I've had in my life. 257 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:02,919 Speaker 3: Do you have any idea what any of this could 258 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,080 have been? I know, it's like it's a it's a 259 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:08,399 question that's not going to have like a definitive answer, 260 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:10,720 but like do you feel this with like a shadow 261 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,440 spirit thing or do you think it was something kind 262 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,080 of trying to be physical or what do you think 263 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:14,480 it was? 264 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,559 Speaker 5: So in talking to other people about my experience and 265 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:22,159 my mom, you know, my dad, and. 266 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: Other friends. 267 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 5: When I would speak to the two friends that were 268 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,519 there during the first experience, you know, everybody had their 269 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:38,559 own ideas. A lot of times I'll hear that the 270 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,159 that it's it was a demon just uh, purely because 271 00:16:43,159 --> 00:16:47,600 of the last event happened, where a lot of people 272 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:50,440 tell me those were like angels or guardian angels stuff 273 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,159 like that that came in to save me. 274 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,639 Speaker 2: So that's kind of where I kind of lay with it. 275 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,519 Speaker 5: But every once in a while I think like, oh, 276 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:01,200 maybe it wasn't just because I'm not like super highly 277 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,759 spiritual person. I will tell you I've had other experiences 278 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:12,000 with other things before and after this, but I've never 279 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:13,960 been the kind of guy that's like super you know, 280 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,720 religious and stuff like that. But when I think about it, 281 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:20,400 when I talk to other people and they bring it up, 282 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,960 it just kind of like shadow like a demon, kind 283 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,839 of stands out the most just because of like the 284 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,200 abject horror and terror that I felt absolutely peace I 285 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,079 felt when the other two like silver. 286 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,799 Speaker 2: Mercury looking orbs came in and quote unquote save me. 287 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I was gonna say it sounds kind of demonic, 288 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:48,759 But the question for me is always what is an 289 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:53,200 actual demon? Because lately everyone considers all sorts of things demons, 290 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,640 and I try not to go that route with everything 291 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,119 being a demon. I know that's kind of like the 292 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,319 trinity thing. So yeah, but this sounds like you had 293 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,279 two friends that's seen it with you. It wasn't just 294 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,720 you that only saw and then your mom even seen it. 295 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,559 So there's four different people ye that have witnessed this. 296 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Did you ever just like, could you see any like 297 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:18,359 features to it? Anything definitive or it was just more 298 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:19,599 just the shape. 299 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 5: It was just the shape, no eyes, no, no facial features. 300 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,599 It had like a human shaped head, but it was 301 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,279 just it was so it was blacker than black, like 302 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:37,119 so black. You couldn't determine any kind of features other 303 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,519 than you know, just the shape of it. It had ears, 304 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:44,039 like a shape of the head, human shaped head, just 305 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,279 really dangly strange looking thing. 306 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,039 Speaker 3: First, tall, as you've said it was, that's I don't 307 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:54,319 know if anyone else I've talked, because it's reported seeing 308 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,960 anything that tall far as like a shadow type person. 309 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,160 So that's a new one for me. Is the the 310 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,680 height on it, that's pretty big. 311 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, Usually from what I see from shadow people reports 312 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,039 that typically, like at least from what I listened to 313 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,559 on on your podcast and other shows, it's typically like 314 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:15,799 fairly typical size people. 315 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're usually human sized. 316 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 3: I've never heard one being basically double the size of 317 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:20,799 a person. 318 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 4: Of course that's new. 319 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,039 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It was strange. 320 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: It does remind me of a couple of other things 321 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,440 I've had a couple of other guests talked about. But 322 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:34,160 what they saw was solid. They were gray. They weren't 323 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,799 shadow people, but they were really tall, slender humanoid shapes. 324 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,000 But they thought it looked like more like an alien. 325 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,680 But again there was no features on them either. So yeah, 326 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,759 with this and you, did it look smoky at all 327 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:50,640 or just shadowy? 328 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very like like I said that, it 329 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,400 had like smoke billowing off it, like it looked kind 330 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,559 of like a person but blowry on the edges and 331 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:04,680 then where it where the blur kind of ended. 332 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: It was coming off and billowing. 333 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 4: Off like a almost like a steamy. 334 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 5: Lighter color than the cool the actual body. But yeah, 335 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,119 it was coming off kind of like yeah, like steam 336 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,880 and like not like when you see smoke coming from 337 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,559 a barbecue, but kind of like when you see that 338 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,240 slow like like kind of like that like steam is 339 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:28,480 definitely definitely seems like the right right term. 340 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:31,519 Speaker 3: You know, how you see off in the distance when 341 00:20:31,519 --> 00:20:33,160 you're driving, almost was like a little bit of a 342 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,440 mirage on the road almost for yeah, kind of like that. 343 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, like when you see the road kind 344 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,920 of start bending and stuff that that definitely is kind 345 00:20:43,079 --> 00:20:44,599 of like an accurate representation. 346 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: That's I would say. 347 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,799 Speaker 3: That's actually interesting because I've heard other people talk about 348 00:20:50,839 --> 00:20:55,119 these things and they refer to those things as something 349 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,759 almost like it was cloaking, and they use that as 350 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:00,519 a description, like when you're seeing something off in the asphalt, 351 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,079 like the heat from the asphalt rising to steam up 352 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:05,079 from the asphalt, it makes them almost look like things 353 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,039 are starting to bend. 354 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is Uh. 355 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 3: The fact you've seen it three times and you've had 356 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,920 people that also seen it. That's also different for most 357 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,920 times because usually when people experience these things, they only 358 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,720 have their own account to. 359 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 4: Go off of it. 360 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,839 Speaker 3: And the fact that you had two friends and your mom, 361 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,759 but also it's seen everything. It's kind of interesting in 362 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:32,000 the sense that that never usually happens. 363 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:33,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 364 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel kind of fortunate, especially during the first 365 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,400 two experiences. Well the first one was the only one 366 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,160 that was fully shared with the full apparition. But I 367 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:50,519 felt fortunate because I at least I knew I wasn't 368 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:54,799 like hallucinating, so I was like, Okay, this isn't something 369 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:56,119 that I just made up in my mind. 370 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: Because it's three in the morning. 371 00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:01,279 Speaker 5: These other you know, my other friends saw this thing, 372 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,240 same thing, and I spoke to them sense about it, 373 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,880 so I know I wasn't crazy. So that I feel 374 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:14,240 even though the experience was terrifying, I do feel fortunate 375 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,480 that it wasn't just me, because then I probably would 376 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,319 have thought that I was just like losing my month. 377 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 3: Having someone there as will verify it does help at 378 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,440 least I would think it was just because you have 379 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,519 someone else that's seen it, so you know yourself, you 380 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:31,799 didn't just imagine it. 381 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, what when you. 382 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: Talk with him about it? And I said, the one 383 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:40,960 had passed away, but what did they think it was? 384 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: My friend he that that passed away. 385 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 5: He he was leaning more towards like the whole demon 386 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,720 type of you know, aspect of it, because he told 387 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,240 me he also felt that feeling of just like this 388 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,039 is not good. 389 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:01,039 Speaker 2: My other friend die. 390 00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:05,279 Speaker 5: He is one of those that if you bring it up, 391 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:08,519 like he'll say, yeah, I do remember, but that's as 392 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:09,400 far as I'm willing to go. 393 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: He won't talk about it. 394 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,759 Speaker 3: Some people are like that something happens and they just 395 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,400 don't ever want to bring it up again, or they 396 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,119 just want to deny it. 397 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 4: And say it never happened. 398 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't. I don't blame him. I don't blame him. 399 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,279 Speaker 3: Right now, I understand that I doubt out myself. But 400 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:34,440 with your mom, what did she think it? Like, because 401 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,480 she saw the orbs, she didn't do she just does 402 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:40,039 she see the actual figure, just the orb parts. 403 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 5: Now, she only saw the orbs leaving the house from 404 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:53,680 our our dining area. She never actually saw the fool apparition, 405 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,039 just the orbs. And like I said, I saw two 406 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,079 mercury and one shadow black smoky orb and she saw. 407 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,319 Speaker 2: Three mercury orbs. 408 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 5: But we both experienced like the bright flash. 409 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:12,759 Speaker 2: And this was kind of my mom's. 410 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 5: I would say awakening, because before, like if I would 411 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,759 tell her about experiences, she was kind of very skeptical 412 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,440 and like, you know, oh, you're just imagining stuff. But 413 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:27,359 ever since she's been open to any time I have 414 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,880 any kind of experience. But yeah, she never saw anything. 415 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,960 And then she said that she felt a piece when 416 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,480 the when the light flashed, but she didn't say it 417 00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:44,359 was like very intense. So I'm thinking maybe I was 418 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,359 just experiencing so much terror that the piece kind of 419 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,359 canceled it out and made me feel just at peace, 420 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:57,079 and the juxtaposition of the two feelings kind of made 421 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:57,880 me feel. 422 00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: It more. 423 00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: Smart. 424 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,279 Speaker 3: Come off as a strange question, but it's not meant 425 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:07,759 to be this way. But what why do you think 426 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:12,480 you saw it more than once? Because your other friends 427 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:14,599 had seen it, but that was the only time they 428 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,319 seen it. How come you saw it multiple times? 429 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 5: So I think that the only reason I saw it 430 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,000 more than once, And I could be wrong. 431 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:29,319 Speaker 2: I believe that it was it was looking for me. 432 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,079 Speaker 5: I don't understand why the one time it looked at 433 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,599 me and then just kept walking as opposed to chasing 434 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,079 me like it did the first time, and then standing 435 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,599 in the in the backyard as well. But I think 436 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,000 that it was something that was there for me. 437 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: Is there something that you'd have done that could have 438 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:53,440 made it want you? 439 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:54,079 Speaker 2: Well? 440 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,039 Speaker 3: The way I'm going with this is because usually I 441 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,279 find out when I talk to. 442 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,079 Speaker 4: People that they I say, f a fo a lot 443 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,519 around here. 444 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,559 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, screw around with Luigi board, they were trying 445 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,519 something now like it. I think stuff like that does 446 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:13,680 invite things in. Is that it's something you'd messed around 447 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,319 with beforehand, or anything I. 448 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:20,839 Speaker 5: Had not done that prior to I didn't do anything 449 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,400 like that before. I had a previous experience with something 450 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:28,359 when I was visiting family in Puerto Rico one time, 451 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,839 but other than that, I didn't really look into any 452 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,000 any like occult stuff. The closest I got was maybe 453 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,400 I was in high school, so maybe two three years 454 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,319 before that. I we drove to some like abandoned houses 455 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:53,319 around the the Greater Indianapolis area, kind of like where 456 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:56,319 you start getting out of Innapolis or you know, past 457 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,279 Carmel and stuff. 458 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:00,079 Speaker 2: It kind of. 459 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,839 Speaker 5: Looking like, oh, hey, this house is supposed to be 460 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,920 hand it and we kind of looked around and got 461 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,559 a little scared. But that's I've never done any kind 462 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:12,759 of oiji board or any kind of yeah, anything that 463 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,319 I think would invite something. 464 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 3: I'm not an expert on any of this stuff. I 465 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,720 don't know anything that I'm talking about, but from what 466 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:25,839 I've gathered from people and listening to other people, a 467 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,200 lot of it they claim you have to invite these things, 468 00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,640 And I don't know how people go about inviting them, 469 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,039 but that's the one thing that I've always was told 470 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,839 is like demonic forces or anything dark like that, it's 471 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,480 something that you usually have to invite yourself and sometimes 472 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:48,839 people do it unintentionally. They don't even know they're doing it. 473 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,240 It's just something that happens. That's a scary thought. If 474 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,279 you unintentionally invite something, they can Yeah, I want to 475 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,240 just pop in and still your soul or whatever it 476 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:02,200 was it wants to do with him. 477 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 478 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 5: I've heard of something like something called like the hitchhiker effect, 479 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,680 where something just kind of decides to hop on. 480 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,039 Speaker 2: And then try to. 481 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 5: Get you to And I think it it never came 482 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,559 into my house up until the last time, and maybe 483 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:27,480 at some point, you know, maybe in my head I 484 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,039 was like, oh, just you know, just end this already, 485 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,000 you know, kind of like I didn't want to experience 486 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200 it anymore. And then it maybe took that as an 487 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,400 invitation to come in, because like I said, it didn't 488 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,079 come in until that last time. So I really don't know. 489 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:49,400 It's definitely the most impactful experience that I would say, 490 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,079 or the most visceral one I've. 491 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,599 Speaker 3: Had ever since this happened. Has there been anything else 492 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,319 that you've noticed since then? Not so much with that, 493 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,920 but just little things that seem. 494 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:04,759 Speaker 5: Strange, not with not with relation to the kind of 495 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,319 uh to this kind of thing. I will say that 496 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,640 I've had other visitors. 497 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: Uh. They have come to my house. Uh. 498 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: And and I've lived in multiple countries since uh and 499 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:27,960 had these visitors three other times and uh, you know, 500 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,640 never in Indianapolis again. But you know, I lived in 501 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,720 South Korea for a bit, uh in Florida, and I've 502 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,240 had them come three different times since then. And I 503 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:43,160 have seen you know, lights in the sky and and orbs, 504 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,359 but nothing to the same effect of of this this 505 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,279 shadow thing. 506 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: I always kind of go back to anymore. And this 507 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,400 is new or for me because I used to be 508 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,720 against the idea of it. But I feel like once 509 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,000 you have those experiences, you start having more. Like you 510 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,319 mentioned your mom having the unawakening. That's kind of what 511 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:09,720 it feels like for me when you hear about people 512 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,960 that experience something, because then you also find out they've 513 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,960 experienced this, they've seen little lights, they've seen other things, 514 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,519 they've experienced more paranormal stuff. It's like that one thing 515 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,279 opens something up in your mind and it enables you 516 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,400 to see it. But now I've come to the mindset 517 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,599 of maybe the reason you experience things more people experience 518 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,880 these things or more is because your mind's open to it. 519 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,000 But because you notice them now they notice you. 520 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 5: So is that's a valid statement, just because ever since 521 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,480 I've had these experiences, I kind of have definitely a 522 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,279 lot more open. Sometimes I'll hear stuff on podcasts or 523 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,480 on your podcast as well, where I'm like, oh, that 524 00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,400 sounds like a little bit fishy, But at the same time, 525 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,240 I'm like, well, from what I've experienced, it could sound 526 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:04,359 the same way to somebody else. 527 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,079 Speaker 2: So I kind of. 528 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,759 Speaker 5: Kind of see things differently in that way where sometimes 529 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,559 I might question it because I still have kind of 530 00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,480 a skeptics viewpoint. I want to I'm not the guy 531 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,039 that's like, oh I saw this, Oh that was alien, 532 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,359 that was bigfoot, or that was this. 533 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,799 Speaker 2: I'm like, what could it have been? Other than first? 534 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,119 Speaker 5: That way, I can kind of, like, you know, look 535 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,920 at it in a more scientific lens. 536 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,839 Speaker 3: That's how I try to approach everything to I don't 537 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,319 try and improve or disprove people's claims, but a lot 538 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:33,960 of the time I'm trying to think in my head 539 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,680 of what could it have been? Just because for me 540 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,240 exactly that you have to have some sort of a base, 541 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:43,880 You have to have some sort of grounding to it, 542 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,240 because if you start believing every single thing that gets 543 00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:48,519 tossed out there. Then you go so farther down that 544 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,079 rabbit hole that it's hard to get out of. 545 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:51,759 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. 546 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 3: Well, is there anything else you would like to discuss? 547 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,279 Speaker 5: Not really, you know, I'd love to come on maybe 548 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:09,000 another time to kind of speak about my other experiences, but. 549 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: I really wanted to get. 550 00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:14,759 Speaker 5: This one kind of out there a little more just 551 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,720 to see if because I've heard, like my other kinds 552 00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:21,640 of experiences are more you know, towards the express real 553 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,799 and cryptid side, And I've heard hundreds and hundreds of stories, 554 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,319 and I've heard tons of shadow stories, but never one 555 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,640 like my own. And I just kind of wanted to 556 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640 get this out there to see if maybe there's somebody 557 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,200 else out there who's had this experience or this kind 558 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,400 of experience kind of share it, or maybe somehow I 559 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,559 can connect with somebody and kind of you know, talk 560 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:45,039 about it. 561 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want someone to reach out to you, 562 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,599 if they've experienced how would you want them to contact you? 563 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: Uh? Via email? 564 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: You have my email, so you can just kind of 565 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,519 share that if they you know, if they email and say, hey, 566 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,240 you know, I listened to this story and I had 567 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,960 a similar experience. You can feel free to share my 568 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720 email with them and then I'll connect with them that way. 569 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,599 Speaker 3: Okay, for anyone listening, if you've had any sort of 570 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,039 experiences similar to a Sergio went through, reach out to 571 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,279 me and I'll get you in contact with him. 572 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you. 573 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,079 Speaker 3: If you would like to share your other experiences, you 574 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,839 can now, unless you'd rather do that on a separate one. 575 00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 5: It kind of lengthy, so I don't want to take 576 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:38,720 too much time, but I definitely do want to talk 577 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,680 about them at some point. 578 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. 579 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,519 Speaker 3: We'll get back in touch then and we can get 580 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:47,440 it figured out and get something scheduled. But that's definitely 581 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,599 what you experienced with the shadow thing is unique to me. 582 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:56,720 I haven't heard anything from anyone similar to that, especially 583 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,720 seeing it three times and other people seeing it. That 584 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:03,799 is a lot different than what I normally hear. Yeah, 585 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:09,719 before we wrap this up, though, I was thinking that 586 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,960 now with the shadow the first thing you said was 587 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,639 walking across the road, I'm trying to remember where was 588 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,920 the first one at when you guys seen it with your. 589 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: Friends, So when we were are you able to hear me? 590 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 591 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 3: I can hear you kind of cut out, but you're 592 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,199 back now. 593 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 594 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 5: For some reason, my screen just went like crazy and 595 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:43,880 then re joined the call. But, like I was saying, 596 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,079 when we first saw it, it was across the street 597 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,079 from the house we were sitting at, holding onto the 598 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:58,960 gutter of the house directly directly across before walking into 599 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,760 the middle of the of the road there. 600 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 4: Do you know whose house that was? 601 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:09,599 Speaker 5: Yes, that was my other friend. His name is Jay, 602 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,039 I'll call him Jay. He didn't experience it. I asked 603 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,800 him if you know anything woke him up, But yeah, 604 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,800 it was one of our other friends. 605 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,519 Speaker 3: Okay, let's say if it was his property on his house. 606 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:24,920 I wonder if I had anything to do over there, 607 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,639 because you guys seen it and start to follow you guys. 608 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:29,079 Speaker 4: I don't know. 609 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, that could be 610 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:31,840 the case. 611 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 5: Maybe it was just you know, looking for somebody to 612 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:36,920 see it. 613 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 614 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. 615 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: I was just thinking about that, and I knew you 616 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,559 said you'd seen it come out and start to follow 617 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,519 you guys on It's like, where was it at originally? 618 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,079 Because I thought you said it was by a gutter, 619 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,920 so I had it been around someone's house. I was like, 620 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,760 I wonder whose house it was, because maybe they're the 621 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:58,960 reason it was there, but I don't know. Well again, 622 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,079 I look forward to talking with you here sometime soon 623 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:05,599 in the future. So running out there listening again, make 624 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,519 sure to reach out to me and I will put 625 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,360 you in contact with Sergio if you've had any sort 626 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,719 of experience like this, because again, he's looking for answers. 627 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,119 He's kind of in the same boat that I am. 628 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:18,360 I'm always looking for answers too. So for anyone out 629 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,679 there listening, just know you're appreciate it, and thanks to. 630 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:25,199 Speaker 4: Sergio, thank you. You have a good night. 631 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 3: If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, 632 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,079 remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales podcast at 633 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,719 gmail dot com or go to tenfoiltales dot com and 634 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,880 go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me 635 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,079 around on all the social media's and just remember truth 636 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,639 comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price? 637 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,679 Speaker 1: I've heard a story lay last night about something alert 638 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:56,440 along a woodline. You foot prints, strange lights in the sky. 639 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,440 They claim it's nothing, but I know they it sees 640 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,440 your laughing to laugh in my face. But something about 641 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,320 this makes me say, what if it's real? 642 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 4: What if they knew? 643 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,159 Speaker 1: What if The answers are coming from you, spending stores, 644 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,440 wasting mind time? Hearing Boy says. 645 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 6: Is it all in their minds? 646 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: They can call me crazy, but I just want some through. 647 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 4: What if it's true? 648 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 6: What if it's really? What if it's true? What if 649 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,800 the world is not what we knew? 650 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,199 Speaker 1: Jim for tell, lend me a story that starts where 651 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,239 the line. 652 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:50,639 Speaker 6: Is get what if it's real? What if it's true? 653 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: The answers are. 654 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 6: Waiting, They're waiting for you. 655 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: They see if the dog man walking, or maybe a 656 00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,559 offman flies. 657 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 6: I love the very giants hidden beneath the lies. They say, 658 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,360 it's just stories, it's. 659 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: All they believe. The fairy tale is for the things 660 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,239 we can't perceive. That won't keep us blindly, It won't 661 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,280 break our wheel. 662 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,119 Speaker 6: But I'm not buying it. 663 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm not swowing another pill forest fed poison. 664 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 6: The lies were made. 665 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 3: To What if the truth could set us free? 666 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:33,119 Speaker 1: The alien sus traveling through time, secret space programs, racing 667 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,599 their minds. They call them. 668 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 2: Crazy, but I just need some fruit. 669 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 4: What if it's true? 670 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,119 Speaker 6: What if it's real? What if it's true. What if 671 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:50,920 the worlds not what we knew? Tilly Boil tells Fulieve Me. 672 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,679 Speaker 1: In a story that starts where the logic is what 673 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,679 if it's real? 674 00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:02,519 Speaker 6: What if it's true? Ancers are waiting, but they're weighed 675 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:08,400 in for you. They lie. We all been diving. The 676 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,800 signs are there if you open your eyes. The aliens 677 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,679 cricked its demon's ghost. 678 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 2: They pull them two. 679 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 4: What if it's me? 680 00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 6: Or what if it's real? 681 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,039 Speaker 1: What if it's raid? 682 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 6: What if it's true? 683 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,519 Speaker 1: What if the world's not? 684 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 2: What way to do? 685 00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 6: Ten Foil tells fully Me a story that starts where 686 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,119 the logic can What. 687 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 3: If it's rain? 688 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 6: What if that's true? The answers are waiting, they're weighing 689 00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:44,199 for you. 690 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:45,159 Speaker 1: It's all in. 691 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 2: Our heads, it's all in our binders. 692 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,679 Speaker 6: These voices can be silenced. 693 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,079 Speaker 4: The truth must rise. 694 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,559 Speaker 2: Ten for tell it's pulling me through. 695 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 6: What if it's reading? What if it's true? 696 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:02,079 Speaker 2: The