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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty six, originally published

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on July twenty second, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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Speaker 3: What you really have to have is a relationship with

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the target, not the target itself. If you try to

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point perfectly towards something, your arm in your hand will shake.

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If you try to hold a cup of coffee perfectly still,

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you'll spill it. But if you just calmly find a relationship,

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it's like looking through a window, and where your hands

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end up is kind of like where the window is sitting,

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and you're trying to get your hands in a relationship

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with that target, not reach toward that target. Just like

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firing a gun. You see the target and you're pointing

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a gun in relationship to that target, but you're not

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actually trying to get to the target. I think that's

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another mistake people do is they try to guide things

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toward a target. You have no control over that golf ball,

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literally zero. So what you've got to do is control

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what's within you. And the only thing that's within you

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is this balance that comes to finish in relationship to

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that target.

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Speaker 1: See it, feel it, do it. As told by Jimmy

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Demura to Evan denn This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back

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to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Evan, Hi, Fred, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I am so well. I've already got the Texas accent. Wow,

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I've talked to you for ten minutes and I am

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so well. You're contagious, my friend.

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Speaker 3: You haven't heard the real Texas accent. Go to West Texas.

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Speaker 1: Oh well. You know, if I ever spend like a

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week in Atlanta, which I used to do a lot,

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I would have to go down. I would come home

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with all y'all. Yes, I love all y'all, and even

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I go to New Orleans. It just takes a couple

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of days and all of a sudden, I've picked up accents.

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It's nuts. Yes, it's been a long time since we've spoken,

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but we've continued to promote your power Field Golf DVD

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and training booklet on the Golf Smarter website at our

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golfers Maart and we have been getting reaction to it.

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People find it and they purchase it. We really appreciate

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you selling it here.

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Speaker 3: All I appreciate you carrying it too.

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Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, and it's been what two thousand and nine,

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episode two hundred and eleven was the last time you

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were on, so there are people who will remember you. Yeah,

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though people remember you, but there are a lot of

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people who have not heard about power Field Golf, and

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I thought it would be great to reintroduce them to

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that and talk about what's going on in your teaching

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and your method of teaching because I found it very effective.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say the biggest thing Fred that's gone

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on since we last talked is my goal is always

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to make it simpler because I feel the simpler you

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can make the game, the more fun it is. And

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you know, get people to understand how to use their

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inate abilities rather than trying to imitate or copy somebody else.

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And you know, like I was always told, when you

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try to paint by numbers, which is what majority of

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instruction is, and they try to tell you what positions

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to be in that doesn't fit your body. Everybody's different.

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We've got five hundred and something paired muscles and we

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have to learn how to use them the way that

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works best for us, not the way that looks good

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with Rory McElroy or Adam Scott or somebody else, because

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we're just not going to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yet we can find our best game if

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we know where to look.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one of the complaints are the major complaints

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of golf is it's too hard, it takes too long,

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it's too expensive. So when you're saying make it simpler,

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are you talking about making the game simpler or making

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instruction simpler?

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Speaker 3: Well, really both, but instruction and the way you go

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about practicing simpler.

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Speaker 1: That's huge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. If you think about if you change the way

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you see something, what you see changes. And most people

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just see golf in the wrong way. They see that

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they're supposed to hit a ball with a golf club

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and make it go somewhere, so they're trying to control

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the end of the club rather than understanding how that

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really happens. It's just like if you tried to focus

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on the end of a fork while you're eating or

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the end of a fly swatter. While you're swatting a fly,

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you'll be very unsuccessful. Go on.

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Speaker 1: I am enthralled.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, what I found over all the years, and

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it really goes back to what I learned from Jackie Burke,

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Jimmy to Merritt, and Ben Hogan and a few others

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like Julius Boris, who I was fortunate enough to be

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around because they were all good friends with my dad.

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And actually Jackie Burke and Jimmy to Merritt, I lived

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five hundred yards from the club they owned down in

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Houston called Champions Golf Club, and so they were my teachers.

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I started playing when I was nine, and as soon

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as they saw that I was going to be pretty good,

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they started helping me. Well what they started telling me

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was and unfortunately I kind of steered away from after

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I thought I was really good. I wanted to know

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too much. They taught me how simple the game really

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could be. But then once I got into probably my

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junior year of high school, I started listening to all

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these guys. They were talking swing theories and everything else,

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and rather than getting better, I got worse like most

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people do, and so I went through college doing that,

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played college golf major college golf, and then I played

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a little bit of professional golf. But I never felt

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like I had the same game that I did when

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I was fourteen or fifteen years old, because I felt

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like I had lost the ability to just feel the game.

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And one of the things you and I were talking

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to prior to the show we were talking to personally

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about was where see it feel it, and a lot

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of people call it trust it came from. Was when

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I was about fifteen years old, I was playing golf

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with Jimmy Demerit and he rarely played. He played like

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once a year, and he was in his late fifties

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back then, and he asked me to go play one morning,

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and so we went out to the golf course. He

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didn't warm up or anything. His clubs had dust all

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over them, which is in my book, and so we

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get out there and he just smokes it right down

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the tenth tee. We played the tournament course to a

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cypress creek course, and he continued to do that the

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whole nine holes, and on the eighth hole I was

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even par. He was like five under already, and I

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looked at him, I said, mister de merit, I don't understand.

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You never touch a club, you don't practice, you don't

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do anything. You come out here and you make it

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look like it's a walk in the park and there's

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no effort to your golf swing. He said, Evan, you

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see that green up there. He said, all I do

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is I see it, I feel it, and I just

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do it. And he said, I don't think about it.

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He said, I know what it feels like, and i

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know how to control the shot from my hands, and

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I'm not thinking. He said, I'm not thinking about where

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the clubhead is, or my foot position or anything like that.

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So and that's the way he grew up. He rarely

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made to feel the game.

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Speaker 1: When you rarely make mistakes, you don't have to second

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guess yourself. For many of us who picked up the

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game later in life and don't play competitively, just love

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to play the game, but are always struggling. Every golfer

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is struggling to improve. That's all across the board. But

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for those of us weekend hacks, you know, we're working

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all week, don't get a lot of time to practice.

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Would love to practice more, you know, inch out every

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hour that we can in the backyard or at a

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range or something like that, wherever we can. I don't

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see it as being so simple like that. What am

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I missing?

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Speaker 3: Well, what you're missing is where you focus your energies.

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Like I started to say earlier, where most people focus

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their energy is on hitting the golf ball and trying

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to steer it to a target, so they reach toward

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the golf ball rather than swinging toward the target. And

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one of the things Jackie Burke told me when I

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was probably twelve or thirteen years old was Evan, the

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golf ball goes wherever your hands go, good or bad.

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So if you understand how to get your hands to

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go there, and you have control of the club, then

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you have control of the shot. Now it's happening at

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a fast pace, you know, the usually you're swinging at

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about eighty to one hundred miles an hour. The clubhead

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is but your hands really aren't moving that fast. So

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it's the clubhead that's moving that fast. But your hands

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you can slow them down if you want, to speed

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them up if you want to. But the main thing

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is once you learn how to control the tool in

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your hands properly and direct that energy toward the target

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instead of toward the ball. You change everything.

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Speaker 1: I like that idea, So let's figure out how to

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make it simpler for all of us. What are the

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elements that we have to focus on and what do

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we have to stop beating ourselves up with that's going

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to make well the process simpler.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's first get rid of the things you don't need.

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You don't need to know how to put your feet

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at a certain width. You don't need to know where

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to put the club in your stands. You don't need

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to know how to bend your knees. You don't need

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to know how to keep your head down. That's one

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of the worst ones, is keeping your head down because

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that actually gets in your own way of your golf swing.

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So think about that. You What you're really trying to

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do is have as clear and as clean a path

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for your hands to work on as possible. Well, that

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starts with balance. Balance is a feeling. It's a feeling

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of having a tool in your hands balanced that you

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can swing back and forth, not up and down, which

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most people swing up, down and out, and that's why

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most people slice it. But if you can swing back

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and forth with your hands balanced, then the body will

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support that action and it will give the illusion of

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an eye shoulder turn, a nice hip turn. It'll give

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the illusion that your head stayed down when in reality,

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your eyes are clearing the way for your hands on

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the follow through. So you know, if you really watch

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the players on tour, you won't see their eyes stuck

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on the golf ball. You'll see them gently guiding toward

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the target in front of the hands. So it's like

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it's like throwing a baseball. You don't look at the

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baseball while you're throwing it. You look toward the target

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and you kind of clear the way mentally and visually

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for your hand to come through toward that target. Well,

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the same thing happens in golf, but you can't do

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that until you put your energies, your mental especially that

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third eye. If you understand what I'm talking about, toward

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the target. In other words, if you look at something

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ahead of you in pre shot before you swing, and

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you bury that image in your head, then that's where

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your hands want to go. So then you hold that

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image in your head and you kind of do a

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blank stare toward the golf ball, which keeps you from

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focusing on the ball. It kind of takes it out

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of focus, if you want to say it that way.

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So what we're really trying to accomplish is this clear

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space for the hands to work in until they finish

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their work.

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Speaker 1: Why do you use the word illusion?

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Speaker 3: The illusion of the golf ball is. What you're really

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trying to do is get your mind. You know how

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when you stare through somebody, you're kind of daydreaming about something. Yeah,

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and you can look right at someone, but you don't

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really see them they're right in front of you because

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you're daydreaming. That's the I call that.

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Speaker 1: I actually call that peeing in the ocean. That look

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you get on your face when you're peeing in the

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ocean's like exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's what you should have on your face when you're

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standing over a golf shot and swinging, because that way,

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your mind, your mental energy is toward the target, not

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at the golf ball. Most people stare at a golf

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ball the way if I was looking at you, I'd

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be staring at your nose. It does very little good,

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doesn't do anything for me. You've got to be thinking ahead,

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not right in front of you. And that's why most

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people hit at the golf ball because that's where all

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their energy, mental and physical is directed toward.

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Speaker 1: This is a complete coincidence, but two of the last

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three episodes of Golf Smarter we're on target oriented golf.

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We even had JB. Holmes, caddy talking about the work

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that he's done with Colin Cromac who's in the UK,

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and Colin was on talking about his whole program of

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target oriented golf. You sound like you're a believer.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, that's a small part of it again, just

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like process is a small part of the picture. A

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process is extremely important. Target oriented is very important. But

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if you don't have good balance of the tool in

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your hands, if you don't have the idea that you're

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clearing space for those hands to work in, if you

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don't have the idea that you know that your vision

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is toward that target, then it doesn't matter if your

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target oriented. If you don't understand the whole process. Just

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like if you have a process but you don't understand

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that all that energy has to be directed toward the target,

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then neither one work. They have to go together. You

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have to have both process and target to go along

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with understanding what gives you the best opportunity to get there.

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So it's not just one or the other. It's actually

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a combination of things. But the one the phrases I

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like to use is it's balance, control, and vision if

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you don't have good balance. And when I mean balance, I.

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Speaker 1: Was going to ask you about that because my biggest

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issue is with the driver. It's the only club that

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I like. Fall out after I swing my driver because

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I'm probably swinging it too hard, but no other club, No,

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keep going.

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Speaker 3: It's typically not because you swing it too harsh because

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you swing out of balance. You fall because you're out

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of balance.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: And when I say out of balance, balance is not

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at the feet. The feet are there to be soft

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and to allow the hands to work freely. The balance

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is in the hands. To imagine you had a medicine

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ball in your hands, a ten pound medicine ball with

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a couple of handles on it. You know, you see

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those ones with the handles on it, and you're swinging

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that medicine ball back and forth, just like you would

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a golf swing, kind of underneath you, and you're trying

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to throw it into a wall. Okay, if you throw

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it out away from you. You're going to fall over

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toward out away from you. If you just use it

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along your body and you find a place that's easy

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to release it in front of you, that's where your

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best golf swing is. In other words, what you're doing

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is you're reaching down the target line or the ball

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line rather than actually, let me put it a different

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way so you can kind of get the visual. If

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you had two lines. You had a line from the

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ball to the target, and then you had another line

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from your hands to the target. The ball to the target,

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your hands have to reach out to go down that line.

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The line from the hands to the target is a direct,

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easy to balance line. If you swing that line, the

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golf club works properly. If you swing down the ball line,

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everything's messed up, everything's off balance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is making so much sense to me, especially

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thank you for telling me I'm not swinging too hard

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because it like, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Can swing as hard as you want to if you're

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in balance, if you're efficient. Another good word is efficient.

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If your hands are working efficiently in front of your body,

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then that club is working efficiently too, and you can

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swing with as much effort as you want to as

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long as you don't swing out of balance and out

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of balance. If you were to put your hands the

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left hand to the left of you, right hand of

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the right of you, where you feel like if you

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were holding two five pound medicine balls up in your hands,

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that's as far as you can swing in balance straight.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying I'm trying to do this? Am I

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putting my arm that straight?

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Speaker 3: Without straightening your arms where you're relaxed and comfortable, hands

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are in a like at a handshake distance. Okay. You

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never extend your arm fully out to shake someone's hand.

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You extend it with a slight bend in your elbow

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and a relax in your shoulder. And so if you

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think of handshake distance on the left side of you

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or right side of you, or in front of you,

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as long as you swing within that, you are in balance.

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In other words, your hands work at a certain distance

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from your body most efficiently. Once you try to reach out,

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If you take your hand right hand or left hand

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and you reach out away from you, you'll feel your

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body go the opposite direction to keep you from falling over. Okay,

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And that's what you experience when you swing the golf

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club that's out of balance in your hands. When your

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hands are out of balance, so is the golf club.

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And not only that, it slows the golf club down

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because your body has to shut down in order to

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keep you from falling again. It can't work faster, it

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actually works slower. So your best golf swing, your most

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efficient golf swing, actually feels slower even though it's actually

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working faster.

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Speaker 1: And is that the control part of balance control, vision, well.

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Speaker 3: Control is actually how you hold it in your hands.

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You put pressure from your palms out, then you're not

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controlling the club the right way. So think about it

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like your your fingers or your hands become a vice

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on the club and you find where that vice is

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and you hold it up, not pushing out, So you're

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using your finger muscles more in toward toward the sky,

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and you're balancing that club just like you would balance

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a plate or something out in front of you.

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Speaker 1: And you lost me, what do you mean pushing up?

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Speaker 3: Okay, pushing and not pushing up, holding up, holding up.

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So like you if you had a platter and you're

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holding a platter right in front of you that's full

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of food, say, or wine glasses or something you're not

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going to push out with your palms because the whole

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thing's gonna tip over.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, I got the visual.

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Speaker 3: Going hold up with your fingers. You grab the two

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sides and you hold it up with your fingers. If

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you imagine that's the way you hold a golf club,

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then now you have control of that tool. And the

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way Hogan showed me that one was he shook my

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hand and he showed me in a handshake. And I'll

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never forget that feeling because you could feel how firm

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his fingers were yet how soft his arms were.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome that you can say.

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Speaker 3: And actually that brings up a great point because everybody says, well,

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Hogan said hold the club lightly. That's absolutely false what

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he said. And because I asked him that question when

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I was about sixteen years old, I said, I can't

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hold the club like that, and he said you shouldn't, Son,

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and he used a few expletives to go along with it.

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And after he got through berating me about it, he said,

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here's how you hold it. You hold it like you

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mean it so no one can take it away from you.

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But you don't squeeze it with your palms. You use

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your fingers to control it, not your palms. And he

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said that means that all your pressure will stay constant

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throughout the golf swing, because now you've got a control

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that you can use. Rather than if you're pushing with

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your palms, your fingers come loose. Try to hold anything,

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push out with your palms and try to tighten your fingers.

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You cannot do it.

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Speaker 1: Right. Why is it that everybody wants to quote Hogan?

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Was he a teacher or was he just an amazing player?

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Speaker 3: Actually, Jimmy Demarrett was his teacher. He was an amazing player,

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but he had a major flaw in his golf swing

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that cost him early in his career and he had

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to do a lot of strength training over in order

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to overcome it. And that was that he swung out

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toward the ball a little bit. And so that's why

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his swing looks flat because it was an end to

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out swing and when it wasn't working quite right, it

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turned into a snap hook. And if you talked to

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him who knew him later in life, he could not

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keep from hitting that snap hook because of that. As

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he got weaker, and the best swing in any if

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you had talked to Sam sneid Ben Hogan, Byron Nelson,

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any of the greats of that era who had the

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absolute best off swing of that era, or maybe ever.

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They would all tell you. Jimmy de Merritt that swing

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was so simple and so strong it was unbelievable. Why Well,

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because he was very efficient in the use of his hands,

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and he had great balance of the tool in his hands,

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and he had great vision toward the target. And that's

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where I use vision. Vision is really where your mind's

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eye is. When your mind's eye is only on hitting

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a ball, guess what, that's what you're going to focus on,

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and that's where everything ends. And that's why you can't

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control the direction. But when you have your vision toward

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the target and you're feeling it just like it's part

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of you, that shot, the shape of that shot with

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your hands, like it's part of you. Now you've got

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complete control of it as long as you have good

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balance and good control of the tool.

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Speaker 1: This brings me back to and the reason I asked you,

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was Hogan a teacher, because you said earlier, we don't

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want to try to have Rory McElroy swing. We don't

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want to have Adam Scott swing. But then you were saying,

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we want ben Hogan's swing.

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Speaker 3: No, I said, we do not want ben hogan swing,

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want his control. Ah ah, we want his control, we

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want his balance. But that's only going to be what's

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personal to us. If and I'll put it in a

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way that might simplify it. There's a reason some people

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will never be good golfers and others will be great golfers.

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It's actually the way their hands work. Some people have

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a natural balancing and control ability in their hands that

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others don't, and a lot of it's in training. If

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you start out young and you do something, let's say

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like volleyball or basketball, and you're using your hand a

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completely different way than you would for golf, you're not

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going to be as good a golfer. You rarely see

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a good basketball player that's a good golfer, and the

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reason is is they're pushing instead of pulling. Even though

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they're using their fingers, they're still pushing and whereas in

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golf you're really pulling with your fingers. The other thing

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that everybody loses sight of is that, you know, we're

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all built differently, Like my flexibility is not nearly what

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it was forty years ago because I've got some arthritis

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issues in my back, so my limits of range of

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motion have decreased quite a bit. So now I have

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to be careful that I stay within my balance. My

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current balance, not what I could do when I was

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fourteen fifteen years old. And that's what a lot of

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people try to swing imitating making shoulder turns hip turns, which,

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by the way, when you try to make a shoulder

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turn or hip turn deliberately, you're now your body is

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out of sequence. If your hands don't lead it, then

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you have lost the sequence of the motion. It'd be

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like trying to turn your hips while you're walking and

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trying to lead with your hips instead of your feet.

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If you've ever done that, you know it's awkward.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I definitely know it's awkward because I was like, oh, shoot,

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I've not been I've been not been turning my hips

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on my back swing, and then I try to remember

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it in the back swing, and all of a sudden,

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everything is now nothing's worth well.

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Speaker 3: It gets you totally off focus of what's really important.

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If you narrowed everything down to the ability of your

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hand to do the work, then you can find your

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best off swing instruction is not really that important. The

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only thing you need someone is someone who can guide

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you to help you find that right balance and that

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right motion the first time that fits you. And once

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you've done that, you're pretty much on your own. You

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can self teach from that point on.

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Speaker 1: And that should be a goal.

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Speaker 3: That should be very much a goal what a lot

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of teachers do. And it's not their fault. It happened

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many many years ago, back in the forties and fifties,

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when the club pros back then weren't making any money

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and they thought the best way to have an extra

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income was to keep people on the hook for lessons,

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and so they were baffling them with bs and they

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were telling them all these things that now have become

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the godlike that. You're supposed to turn your supposed to

481
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,039
turn your shoulders, You're supposed to do this, You're supposed

482
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to do that, supposed to bend your knees, supposed to

483
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,960
stick your butt out, supposed to keep your spine straight.

484
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None of those are comfortable. If they're not comfortable, they're

485
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not right.

486
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Speaker 1: So that takes us to right kind of right back

487
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,799
to where we were starting, is about teaching being too

488
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complex to the status of teaching today. And now you

489
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,599
can find teachers on the web, I mean any you

490
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,400
can get personalized instruction on the web. Is this a

491
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good thing?

492
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Speaker 3: No, because you know the way I related, It's like

493
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,400
trying to find a good contractor to come work in

494
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,200
your house. You got about a one in five or

495
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,359
one in ten chance of doing it. And same thing

496
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,400
with teachers. And again it's not a slam on them.

497
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It's just that they have not been educated. And if

498
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they're not educated properly, then they're not doing you any good.

499
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:06,880
You're better off to just go with what you know,

500
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then go to somebody who you know. The typical thing

501
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,480
you hear is well I got worse. You'll hear that

502
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,519
eight out of ten times. And actually that was a

503
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,000
study done by the PHA of America about fifteen twenty

504
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,279
years ago, and they found that fifty percent of the

505
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,440
people got worse, thirty percent stayed the same, and only

506
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,799
ten to twenty percent improved from lessons. That's not a

507
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very good stat and of course they didn't want to

508
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,359
publish it because they knew how bad it was. That's

509
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,799
why they're always trying to find a better way. But

510
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:46,160
they don't know where to go. Because what we said

511
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,119
in the very beginning is when you see something a

512
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certain way, then it's the old adage of you know,

513
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if you try to do the same thing over and

514
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,119
over again, you're you know, you're still going to end

515
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,119
up with the same outcome.

516
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:03,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing is insanity, right.

517
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,839
Speaker 3: Definition of insanity. And so unless people start seeing the

518
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,400
game differently, they're not going to improve. They're just going

519
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,599
to be out there hacking balls, trying all these gimmicks

520
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,240
that don't work. They just will never work because they

521
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:23,640
don't fit you personally. You have to understand how your hands,

522
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,200
your hand eye coordination works and how to focus on

523
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,880
that target, which I again I love target oriented, but

524
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,119
it doesn't do any good if you don't understand what

525
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,000
it is you're orienting toward the target. If you're orienting

526
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,039
the golf ball toward the target, that's like trying to

527
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:40,799
tell the golf ball where to go, and it's got

528
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,200
no brain. When you find a golf ball with a brain,

529
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:47,519
let me know, then I'll believe the golf ball you tell.

530
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,799
Then you got to use what the sense of eye,

531
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hand coordination you have.

532
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Speaker 1: So it's best to find a teacher that you can

533
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,920
work one on one with and he can help you

534
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,359
with your hand, he can touch, he can be there

535
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,720
with you. Then trying to find someone who's just looking

536
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,880
at your videos of your swing, right, and.

537
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: Again, what you want is, which is rare. You're going

538
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
to have to find someone who understands feel and eye

539
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,160
hand coordination, not someone who's teaching you ball position, club

540
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,119
head position, backswing, the backswing. If the backswing were important,

541
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,480
you wouldn't have players like Jim Furick on the tour.

542
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,599
You wouldn't have like Craig Stadler on the when he

543
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,720
played and played great. You wouldn't have even had Jack

544
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:39,480
Nicholas if it was about backswing, or Arnold Palmer. What

545
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,759
separated them from the rest was their ability to focus

546
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on where they were going, not what they were hitting.

547
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Speaker 1: Should we be looking at down the line at the

548
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:53,599
target when we swing the club, No, you.

549
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,359
Speaker 3: Have to it has to be a mental picture of

550
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,839
the target, and it has to be what you really

551
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,279
have to have as a relay relationship with the target,

552
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,000
not the target itself. So imagine that if you put,

553
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,000
if you pointed at something, if you try to point

554
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,480
perfectly towards something, your arm in your hand will shake.

555
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,559
If you try to hold a cup of coffee perfectly still,

556
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,960
you'll spill it. But if you just calmly find a relationship,

557
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,160
like it's like looking through a window, and where your

558
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,359
hands end up is kind of like where the window

559
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,519
is sitting, and you're trying to get your hands in

560
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,079
a relationship with that target, not reach toward that target.

561
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,160
So in other words, you see it in the background,

562
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,359
just like firing a gun, you see the target. You're

563
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,759
pulling a trigger in relationship to that target, pointing a

564
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:47,079
gun in relationship to that target, but you're not actually

565
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,000
trying to get to the target. I think that's another

566
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:53,759
mistake people do, is they try to guide things toward

567
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,839
a target. You have no control over that golf ball,

568
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,200
literally zero. So what you've got to do is control

569
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,279
what's within you. And the only thing that's within you

570
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,240
is this balance that comes to a finish in relationship

571
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:08,960
to that target.

572
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Speaker 1: I think the name of this episode, and I want

573
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to pursue this even more, is go with what you know.

574
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Speaker 3: Exactly and learn to understand how your body functions balance

575
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,759
and control and vision in relationship to balance and control

576
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:34,160
and vision in relationship to that tool and focus from

577
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,759
the hands to the target, not the club to the target,

578
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,240
not the ball to the target. Okay, So once you

579
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,599
build the relationship between your hands, your eyes and that target,

580
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,359
the club just becomes a tool in your hands, like

581
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,559
a hammer, a shovel or anything else. It's just a

582
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:53,079
tool you're holding on to. We understand the tools. We

583
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,599
have this inate ability to understand where things are. It's

584
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,480
just like if you ever watch anybody that it does fencing,

585
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,400
sword fighting, you'll see they don't focus on the end

586
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,559
of the sword. They focus on their target, and they're

587
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:12,240
always and so they're just feeling it in their hands,

588
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,000
how to get the end of that to the target,

589
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,359
and they never see the sword itself.

590
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Speaker 1: One of your things that we talked about before and

591
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,680
i'd love to talk about again in the power field

592
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,559
golf is all the stress that's put on your body

593
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,319
in the golf swing, and how your program is designed

594
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:40,640
to help remove or eliminate or even reduce the stress

595
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,359
on your body.

596
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: And okay, well let's let's talk about it. And everybody

597
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:48,599
remembers Michael Johnson the runner.

598
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: Right sure, Okay, so does everybody here. Oh it's just me.

599
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,720
I'm sorry.

600
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So most people remember Michael Johnson the runner.

601
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,680
Why was he so good at what he did? He

602
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,920
was very efficient in his motion, so there was very

603
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,719
little stress on his body. That's why he never got injured.

604
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,519
And then you watch other runners who put out a

605
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:16,719
lot of effort, probably had more ability than Michael Johnson did,

606
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,480
but he was so efficient he could beat them. They

607
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,360
were so inefficient that they injured themselves. It's the same

608
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,519
thing with a golf swing. If you're efficient with the

609
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,840
use of your hands and you allow your body to

610
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,920
simply react to their use, you're using minimum amount of

611
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,840
effort to create maximum amount of power and control.

612
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Speaker 1: It's it's starting to make sense to me here and

613
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,440
I'm and I'm going over you know, as you're talking,

614
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:51,639
I'm starting to realize how much, way, too much thought

615
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,400
that's going into every swing that I'm taking, and I'm

616
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,800
overdoing everything and not getting the results that I know

617
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,199
I can.

618
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I hear from most people is they're

619
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,679
just trying too hard to control something they have no

620
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,840
control over. You know, there's another old saying, give up

621
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,039
control to gain control. Give up control of all those

622
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,079
things that you have no control over and then gain

623
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:18,960
control of the things that you can control and go

624
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,880
back to the word process. Well, if we understand balance,

625
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,000
control and vision as that being the total that we

626
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,599
need to play our best golf. We just have to

627
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:33,599
have our best balance, our best control, our best vision,

628
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:37,280
which is totally different than somebody else's, then we have

629
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,760
now gotten our best process too to go with it.

630
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: So now that we're feeling stronger, we're feeling better, we're

631
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,960
feeling balanced, we you know, and we're not thinking as much. Right,

632
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:54,440
there's still a lot left to better scoring, is there not?

633
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,199
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, there is. Now you can focus on your

634
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:03,000
imagination and that's the one. Once you've got balance, control

635
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:07,320
and vision, vision is just simply understanding the relationship to

636
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:13,159
the target. Now, imagination is how you shape your hands work,

637
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,119
how you shape that vision in relationship to the target.

638
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:18,800
So if you want to hit a high fade, a

639
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,119
low draw, if you want to hit a flop shot,

640
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,559
all you have to do is imagine how you're going

641
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,360
to do it with your hands first, and everything else

642
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,559
will fall into place. Then it's up to you to

643
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:36,880
really expand your imagination to see where your limits are

644
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,159
on the shots you can create.

645
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: Expand on the idea of imagination with your hands first,

646
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,320
that really hit me.

647
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,559
Speaker 3: Well, think about it, like if you've ever watched you

648
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,679
ever been to a sushi place or a what do

649
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,199
they call it, well, like Kobe steakhouse or whatever it's called,

650
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,880
where they sit there and they do all kinds of tricks.

651
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: With the not Benny Hannah, Benny Hannah.

652
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: Okay, what yeah, exactly, But what they what they're doing.

653
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,400
What they're doing is they're using their imagination to create

654
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:17,360
all these illusions with the tools by simply using their

655
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,119
hands differently. So imagine he's slicing the left and then

656
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,840
he's doing with his left hand and on his right

657
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,440
hand he's coming over the top with the right. Well,

658
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:28,920
that's a fade and a draw, you know, that's all

659
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:35,679
that is. And so it's your Your imagination is your

660
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,280
limitation really and other than physical. Once you get past

661
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,679
the physical. If you have physical ability to control a

662
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,239
golf club, then your imagination is what separates the best

663
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:47,920
from the rest.

664
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Speaker 1: Do you find golf as a creative sport?

665
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: Oh very much, so, very very much. So. That's why

666
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:58,760
Tiger at his peak was so good, because he was

667
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,440
more creative than anybody else, and he trusted his creativity.

668
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,400
You see guys that look great swing in the golf club,

669
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,239
but they have no creativity. They never win. You can

670
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,039
go back to Gene Lttler, didn't win much, had a

671
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,280
beautiful golf swing. I could name dozens of them if

672
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,440
I could remember their names, but you know, over the years.

673
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,519
I mean Tom Weiscoff is a great example, one of

674
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:26,119
the best golf swings of all time. Had no imagination

675
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,639
or very little. So you know, he didn't win. He

676
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,039
won one British Open in a few tournaments. He was

677
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:36,159
not considered a great player. He was considered great potential.

678
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: Someone mentioned on the show that you know, we're talking

679
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,599
about creativity and you mentioned Tiger is that but Tiger

680
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,320
never took a shot that he didn't practice a thousand

681
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,519
times in his mind, and so you're saying that it's

682
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,840
going to be that he didn't take every one of those,

683
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,360
like the two hundred yard shot from the bunker over

684
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,639
the water, around the tree, landing softly.

685
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: On the green, not a thousand times. Yeah, he probably

686
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,239
did that for the first time that day and he

687
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,400
just felt it. He felt it was right and he

688
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,320
felt he could do it.

689
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,199
Speaker 1: So there's confidence obviously.

690
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: Yes. I don't know if you remember there was a

691
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,079
shot Jack Nicholas hit at Firestone back in the probably

692
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,000
late sixties early seventies where he took a like an

693
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,480
eight iron up over a tree right in front of him.

694
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:34,559
It looked impossible out of the rough and landed it

695
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,400
softly on the green at that sixteenth I think it is,

696
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,199
at par five, and ended up winning the tournament because

697
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:44,360
of that shot, And it was just his imagination. He

698
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,519
knew he could do it where no one else probably

699
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,119
would have even attempted it. They would have been chipping out.

700
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Speaker 1: And most of us weekend bums. We're playing out of fear.

701
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. You're playing to your weaknesses rather than

702
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,840
to your strengths. You're trying to stay away from trouble

703
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,320
rather than embracing your abilities. Hmm.

704
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: I like that. So how do we change our mindset

705
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:13,800
on that?

706
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,639
Speaker 3: Well, it all starts with changing your whole perception of things.

707
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If you start seeing things from your hands, you can

708
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:26,679
start understanding your limitations. Until you understand your limitations, As

709
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,719
long as the golf ball controls you, you don't control

710
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:40,119
it really, So it's all about again imagination balance, control,

711
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,480
and vision. And if you can bury that in your brain,

712
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,880
that balance, control and vision are the keys to your

713
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,199
best golf, then all you've got to do is find

714
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,199
your best balance, your best control, your best vision, and

715
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,840
you know where your limitations are. So if you're not

716
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,039
capable of hitting a shot two hundred and fifty yards

717
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,280
over a cree, then you lay up to that creek.

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If it's just out of your realm of possibility, you

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play to your straints rather than trying to hit the

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hero shot. But you understand when you have the ability

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to do something and you don't have to back down

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from it. So if you can hit it two fifty

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over a creek and it's no big deal, then you

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can go for that shot. That's the way Tiger played.

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He played to his straints and knew when he could

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go for something. He never was afraid of it. Today

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he looks almost like he's afraid of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what would your assessment? I mean, he can't It

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seems like he can't put together two good rounds in

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a weekend.

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Speaker 3: Well, the reason is that he's changed his golf swing

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too many times, trying to find the perfect swing, which

733
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is fool's gold. I mean, you just can't. Like I

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was telling you earlier, when I was young and I

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got away from what Hogan, Burke and de Merit taught me,

736
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I started trying to improve my golf swing. It got worse,

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get better. I tried to change my grip. It was

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the worst decision I ever made. And it took me

739
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a year to get over that one. And so you know,

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all I can tell people is find your best, tweak

741
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:16,840
it a little bit, to try to get better balance,

742
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,000
better control, and use your vision better. But don't try

743
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to change the world in your golf swing. And understand

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,480
your limitations. Because I don't think Tiger understands his limitations.

745
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He thinks he can do all these things. And again

746
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he's It's like something that if you go back to

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00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:42,800
the era of Nelson of Rockefeller, the guy that was

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worth a billion dollars, like in the thirties or forties,

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someone asked him said when are you going to be

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00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,960
rich enough? And he said never. Well, it's like asking

751
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,239
the golfer when are they going to be good enough? Never?

752
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,719
So we're always after this illusion of improvement, and that's

753
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,719
when we destroy ourselves. When we learn to be comfortable

754
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,440
with who we are and our abilities, then we can

755
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play a lot better.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm getting your saying is that Tiger, we've

757
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seen the best of Tiger.

758
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Speaker 3: Probably unless he goes back to finding his best balance,

759
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,719
his best control, and his best vision. Right now, he's

760
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,440
trying to make golf swings. He's not playing golf shots.

761
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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. And the boy they golf needs him, Oh

762
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,920
oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean he can still win with what he has.

764
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He can't dominate with what he has because he is

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so talented. I mean, it's just you can't replace that talent,

766
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,719
that it, that it factor. You just can't replace it.

767
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,320
He's destroyed it himself. No one else has.

768
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Speaker 1: And you think he's just tweaking. He's overtweaked himself. He's

769
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:52,960
just tried too many things.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, he didn't have to have a perfect golf swing.

771
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:00,000
If I go back and look at at quotes from

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00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,840
Nicholas over the years, he never changed his golf swing.

773
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Even though everybody said, well you got to fry flying

774
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,360
right elbow, you got this, you got that. He said,

775
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,280
I don't care. I beat y'all, don't.

776
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: I That's what I say to my friends, and like,

777
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,320
come on, let's play the fronties days. No, I'm not

778
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,199
playing the fronties. That's for girls. That's the lady like, yeah,

779
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,239
you're gonna shoot part there? No, yeah, then shut up,

780
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,039
let's go. And it's gonna be more fun because you're

781
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:29,280
gonna score lower because you can you can hit your

782
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,239
wedge and the green as opposed to hitting a hybrid,

783
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,960
and you're gonna have much more fun.

784
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Speaker 3: Come on, Yeah, that's true. And that's the other thing too.

785
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People have to learn how to how to play the

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golf course where they can enjoy it. A lot of

787
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:44,760
a lot of guys just go right to the back

788
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,079
tee and don't think about it, and they think, well,

789
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:48,840
I got to keep up with Joe because he's a

790
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,800
good player. You don't. You don't play it from where

791
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,119
you're comfortable, not from where he's comfortable.

792
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'll play with you there, but

793
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,159
I don't have to. I mean, do you really have to?

794
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,000
Are you that good? If you're that good, then you

795
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,400
know then and you feel like you it's a discussion

796
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,119
I have it seems like almost every round and they

797
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:12,000
think I'm a whimp. It's like, okay, I'm a whim.

798
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:12,719
I don't care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right, as long as you enjoy the experience.

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I mean, when you get right down to it, you've

801
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,960
got to learn to enjoy the experience. You cannot enjoy

802
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,760
the experience when you're thinking about every golf swing and

803
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,760
details of it.

804
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Speaker 1: You know, and.

805
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Speaker 3: Information overload is a great term for today's instruction. It's

806
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,679
all information overload if you simplify. That's why I said

807
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,760
in the beginning my goalhole goal has been year after

808
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,280
years to get it simpler, not more difficult. I'm trying

809
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,960
to find ways to get it down to the lowest

810
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,000
common denominator for my students and anybody I talk to,

811
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so that way they can really enjoy the experience if

812
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,840
it's lowest common denominator and all they need to know

813
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,320
is how to hold that club properly, how to keep

814
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,760
it balanced as good as possible during the golf swing,

815
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,400
and how to keep their vision on where they're going

816
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,719
and be as efficient toward that target as they can.

817
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:11,079
Then they're going to enjoy the game and they're not

818
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:12,519
going to have to think very much.

819
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Speaker 1: Let's start wrapping this up by talking about your power

820
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:22,480
field golf DVD, training, grip and booklet. Why should the

821
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,440
golf Smarter community. What's the value for them? What are

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00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,840
they going to learn? What are they going to take

823
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,320
away from Well, I think.

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Speaker 3: What they're going to learn is simplicity, and they're going

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to learn how to see it differently, see the game differently.

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They're also going to get to see some really cool

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stuff as far as shot making. They're going to get

828
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some good stories about some of the people I learned

829
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,119
from growing up, like the Merit and Burke and Hogan.

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They're just going to get a better understanding how to

831
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find their best game. And it's not perfect because you

832
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,320
can't put everything in a book in a video. It's

833
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,719
really hard, but it at least sets them on the

834
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right path so that they can start thinking in a

835
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,880
lot simpler fashion rather than being buried with all these

836
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,280
thoughts of is my left elbow straight? Is my wrist

837
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,679
at this position? Is the club head or the club

838
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,199
between my feet and the right spot or my feet right?

839
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You know, all those things that are holding them back.

840
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,719
They can just get rid of those. And what I

841
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,199
tell people is, don't add to what you're doing, take

842
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,440
away from what you're doing, and replace it with something simpler.

843
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Speaker 1: So who should buy this? Who should have this of course.

844
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Speaker 3: Literally everybody all the way to Tiger Woods, because Tiger

845
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,599
needs it as much as anybody to the beginning golfer.

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Because the more you can simplify, the more you can

847
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,840
enjoy the experience.

848
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Speaker 1: That's huge. Just simplify and enjoy.

849
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Speaker 3: Yeah, process of elimination rather than a tion.

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Speaker 1: M interesting. Hey, Eban, it's been great to talk to you,

851
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,400
reconnect with you. It's been a long time. I'm so

852
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,559
glad that you had the time and agreed to come

853
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:11,440
back on golf Smarter. Thanks so much.

854
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Speaker 3: Well. I enjoyed it too. It's always good. I love

855
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talking it because I just want to see people get

856
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better and enjoy the game. I don't need to teach them.

857
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,199
If people want to come see me, great, but that's

858
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not my idea. My idea is to allow them to

859
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:33,199
go experience it for themselves and self teach. They really

860
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don't need the teachers as much as they think they do.

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Speaker 1: And it said powerfield golf dot com, right, that's it.

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You can tin more about you and if they want

863
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to book some book some lessons with you, talk to

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you more. Powerfield golf dot.

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Speaker 3: Com right, yep ebin at powerfield golf dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's your email address, that's my email address. Eban is

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e b e n.

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Speaker 3: E b e n. That's correct, all right, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you again. Really enjoyed. I continue.

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Speaker 3: It's been my pleasure and I hope a lot of

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people get something good out of this.

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Speaker 1: M