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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sickos on Dampa Valley coming at

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you with my co host Grant Hughes, It's time for

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another round of We're just asking questions hashtag.

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Speaker 2: As Grant said, W Jacks wja Q.

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Speaker 1: You could find those on YouTube as we continue to

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build out the series.

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Speaker 2: Grant, what's our question this week?

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Speaker 3: So the overarching question is should the Memphis Grizzlies be

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done with John Morant? We're just asking questions, just asking

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questions within this though, I have several sub questions. Would

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you like me to dive into those after a short

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introduction of why we're asking this question?

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Speaker 4: To be in with yes, can you.

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Speaker 1: Take us through why we're asking this question in the

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first Yes.

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Speaker 3: If you have been under a rock, if you're listening

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to this podcast and are wondering why we're asked just

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asking this question, you've missed a few things. It's kind

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of all anybody's been talking about the quick and dirty synopsis.

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John Morant kind of quiet quit in the second half

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of a game against the Lakers this past week, and

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head coach Twama Sisilo challenged Moran's leadership after the loss.

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That's per Shampstrania and also per Sham's, Moran responded in

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an inappropriate manner and was suspended for one game by

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the Memphis Grizzlies. This has been kept mostly in house,

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short of, at least on the Grizzly side, short of

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Morant having a couple of postgame interviews where he basically

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referred all questions back to the coaching staff, asked them,

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ask them, asked if he had his usual joy when

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playing basketball, he said no. Uh so that's where we are.

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Have I missed anything major from the quick synopsis there,

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That's why we're asking.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I'll add is that if you look

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at the Pistons game like the I feel like there's

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been more quiet quitting than just the game that everyone's focus.

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Speaker 4: Sure that there have been.

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Speaker 3: There have been some intimations that made maybe this wasn't

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something that just happened at halftime of the Lakers game,

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where he that second half was very conspicuous. Everybody picked

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up on it before the comments. But yeah, so maybe

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maybe there's also some other evidence that the the let's see,

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what would you call it if if if the second

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half was quiet quitting, he was even more quietly quitting

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it before that. There was some quitting going on, but

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it was a whisper level.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And so it's coming back.

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Speaker 1: He's not been setting the world on fire.

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Speaker 3: No, has not set the world on fire. Has not

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looked good, hasn't looked good all season. And that's that's

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something to get into here, because one of the questions

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we need to ask before we answer, not that this

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is really about answers should the Grizzlies be done with him?

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Is how good is joa Moran right, because that affects

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your as a franchise tolerance for this kind of thing

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that you know, your willingness to think about extensions, which

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the Memphis Grizzlies were not willing to think very hard

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about this past offseason for him. They gave Jaron Jackson one.

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So the answer to how good is John Morant so

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far very bad this season. That's that's a pretty straightforward one.

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Thirty eight percent from the field, fourteen percent from three.

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If you were doing All Star voting right now, he

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would not be even a fringe consideration. That's independent of

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what I think is fair to say is some crises

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of leadership.

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Speaker 4: If you care about that type of thing.

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Speaker 3: Has not been a great leader for the Grizzlies to

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this point, Just to rewind it a touch, we're measuring

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this against like, his best year was twenty one twenty two, Right,

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that's the twenty seven points, almost seven assists, forty nine

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percent from the field, seventh and MVP voting one most

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Improved Player that year. That's his only All NBA nod,

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the only year he posted above average true shooting. Had

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a career high fifty eight dunks that year. That's relevant

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because his average shot distance tied to that was ten

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point one feet. That has trended up steadily. He's up

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to a career high distance of thirteen point six feet

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per shot this season. So athleticism diminishing shooting was never there,

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it's much worse now. It is fair Dan to say

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that he is not what he was in that career

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best season and hasn't really been that close to it since. Right, Like, So,

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then the sub question to the sub question is, like,

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is the All NBA jaw coming back? And maybe that's

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where I'll throw it to you, Like, what do you

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make of the decline? Is it a permanent downward trajectory?

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the discussion of should we trade him, should we move

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on somehow because you can't do better? Or is he

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in a level where it's like, well, I don't know.

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as him on the floor, where do you sit with

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where he's at and what that means for this bigger

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Speaker 1: This feels like almost a perma decline to where this

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was someone who was and still can be super athletic.

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but specifically looking at offense, the shooting is a major concern.

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his credit, like the Grizzlies have a top seven offense

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over the past half decade when he's.

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Speaker 2: On the court. So this is a clear difference maker.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at this season, look

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at who he's playing around, like, what are the skilled

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big men that he's supposed to be throwing the ball?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Like is it Jock Landale?

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Speaker 1: So does Zach Edy coming back eventually help him? Does

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Brandon Clark coming back event eventually help him? And so

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Morant look like with this team sort of at full strength,

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Speaker 2: If you want bigs who.

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Speaker 1: Could catch the ball or catch lobs, that's not what

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and they've all to be fair, they've already made like

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their choice on this is you trade at Desmond bayin

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you renegotiated and extended Jaron Jackson Junior. We didn't even

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hear a whisper. This is the thing that stands out

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to me. Nikola Jokic doesn't sign an extension with the

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Denver Nuggets this past offseason. The chatter around the Nuggets

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was they offered it, He's not gonna sign it because

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he's gonna sign a longer deal next summer. You didn't

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even hear whispers of the Grizzlies offering the extension for

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which John Morant was eligible, or trying to negotiate with him,

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or the talk of well, we're just gonna get him

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next year when he can sign a longer deal. That's

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a red flag in itself, and I don't necessarily blame

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them for reaching this point because it comes back to

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your initial question, which is how good is John Moran.

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the league, and I think that I think at best,

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what you could say is he needs to string together

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an entire season of looking closer to the player that

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off the court. I think sometimes people sensationalize the idea

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that they want to just believe he's a scumbag, which

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is just sure, I'm not here for that. But like

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when he got suspended, that was the first time he

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was going to play in seven consecutive games for how

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that stat and like, you couldn't even get to that

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milestone at that time without some sort of dramatics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think and that aspect of it I agree.

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Speaker 4: Like the the.

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Speaker 3: Quickness with which some people want to just write him

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off as like a bad actor. I think what you

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can say definitively is he's made some really stupid decisions,

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which does tie to the leadership aspect of it, which

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does tie to how good is he. That's all baked

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in because if availability matters, the tone setting you're doing

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for the franchise matters. And again it's not like you're

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a bad person. It's like if you're making stupid choices,

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that's setting a bad tone as a leader for the team.

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to the next question I want to ask, which is

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what we need to give him some benefit of the doubt, which, so,

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go ahead, you're gonna say something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is gonna step out that

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to what you're gonna say. But if you were the

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Grizzlies and you've decided that you want to move forward

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with John Morant, is the entire idea that Jared, we're

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trying to find a player now, we need to be

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better than Jahn Moran or is that while you're already

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Jaron Jackson Junior who this year, by the way, and

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compared to last year. If you were paint touches like

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fewer self creation touches. I wouldn't call it necessarily a

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d emphasis, but just the byproduct of putting the ball

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in John Morant's hands more. And so if you are

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going to run that type of an offense and you're

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the Grizzlies, do you need a player who is better

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than John Moran and grizz and can John Moran play

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next to a player sorry, play next to a player

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who's better than John Moran?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: That that's this is another I wish I had thought of.

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what does that mean for your team construction going forward?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: If depending on where the Grizzlies are with Jaw, I

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want to get back to that. What I want I

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want to make sure we do to be fair is hit.

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Speaker 4: Like all that stuff?

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Speaker 3: Is John Moran justified and being frustrated because he hasn't

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really given us a lot to go on, Right, we're

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speculating there's been some reporting, So let's put it. Let's

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kind of put things on his side and look at

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what possible sources he might have for being frustrated with

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what the coaching staff is doing, how he's being used,

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maybe like to you, I think, if anything, he should

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be frustrated by, like, look at the team that's around

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me at the moment, because we've got so many key

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injuries and you traded away Desmond Bane.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about role.

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Speaker 3: Notably, he bristled at the total change in how the

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offense ran last year. This is all like role touches,

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playing time, This is all going to be kind of

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a piece. First five years of his career, he was

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a super high usage pick and roll guy. Last year

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career low. The Grizzly stop setting ball screens back to

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career high levels this year in terms of like, he's

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gotten what he's wanted in terms of like as far

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as like what he is doing offensively tons of pick

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and rolls. Ky Cunningham and Trey Young the only guys

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getting more pick set for them than Jaw so far

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this year per possession touches basically way back up to

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have changed too tons of dribbles back to where he

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was prior to the offensive change last year. Playing time

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minutes are down, but he's never averaged thirty four minutes

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a game, so to be around thirty isn't like a

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crazy change. And you cided the durability issues, and I

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wanted to bring up this comment from Twamas Islo, the

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Grizzlies head coach, which goes to this point, and maybe

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this is where Jaws is like, this is unsalvagable because

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it does seem like the Grizzlies under Islo have a

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very specific philosophy about how guys should be played. He

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says basketball is evolving and the demands on the intensity

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are higher and higher, and we're looking to also adapt

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to the times. I think what's often forgotten is the

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actual sub pattern. It's to optimize results in the short,

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medium and long term. Now, he acknowledges that maybe what

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you're sacrificing is chemistry. By shuttling guys in and out

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reps together your sacrifice. Maybe there's some other variables you're

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not getting back. So it's a very measured but direct

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not a response to Marant because this quote came from

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from earlier, but it is a justification for how the

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Grizzlies are playing. Everybody, not just Jaw, Like, minutes are

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kind of down, so is I don't know, maybe maybe

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that's frustrating to him. I want to talk about the like,

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does Jaw not have enough clout, Like does he not

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feel like he's being listened to?

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Speaker 1: Could we start with the minutes thing that really quickly?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you go hit that.

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Speaker 1: If you're John Rant and you mentioned the durability issues,

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do you think that that's an actual core belief of

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what the Grizzlies are doing right now or is it

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more reaction to the person that look at who can't

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stay healthy to or can't stay available. Joss had issues

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Jaron Jackson Junior, where I didn't think he was gonna

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be ready to start the season this year. So I

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just wonder how they looked at their players and actively decided.

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Speaker 2: No, we have to be run this way.

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Speaker 3: Maybe to me that that quote and some of the

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other things you hear and read about Memphis and Eilo's

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philosophy is that I think my guess is they would

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have adopted this regardless of personnel. Like, I think they've

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decided that we just got to play guys less, well,

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we will expect them to play harder and and you know,

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whether that means more full court pressure, a faster pace,

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just generally going harder for shorter spurts. I think they've

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decided is the way to optimize the game. Maybe that's

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going to be right, maybe that's wrong, But I do

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think that's just kind of a philosophy that they have.

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It does so happen that like because of their guys,

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their key guys durability, Maybe it makes more sense. But

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maybe what will be a longer discussion at some point

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in the future, is the going way harder for shorter

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stints actually a better way to preserve player health or

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having them play larger, longer stints and maybe not go

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like one hundred and ten percent all the time?

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Speaker 4: Is that actually the way we don't We don't know.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so we're trying to find like we're trying

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to I guess what I'm trying to do is find

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justifications from rants frustration, and so what I'm kind of

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pointing to is and to talk about Clout, to talk

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about his contract. Definitely, the contract might be the lack

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of extension might be like the blinking red light, like

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you said, of like that's why he's pissed off. But

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because he was unhappy with the offense last year, they

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fired the assistant coach that brought it in, and they

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fired the head coach that that implemented it. So he

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still got Clout. The playing time, sure, but be durable

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and maybe you play more. He can't complain about the touches,

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can't complain about the style of offense. I guess he

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could be upset by the lack of like healthy personnel

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around him. But that's kind of irrational because like, well

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that's just you know, that's not a choice that the

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team is making. Guys are hurt, what are you going

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to do? So I don't know it. You could definitely

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find reasons for him to be justified in being frustrated.

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I don't know if those rise to the level of

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like you're the team's best player in theory and leader

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and like face I guess for lack of a better term,

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and you quit more or less like in an actual

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game on the floor where everybody saw it, and you're

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not really taking accountability for it. Bad luck, even if

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you want to be charitable and say he's got reasons

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to be upset. So then the question is trading him

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really an option? Next sub questions. That's thorny, right, because

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you've got a lot of like non basketball things to

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Speaker 1: Right and with Memphis, I think people it's easy for

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armchair gms like ourselves to just sit here and start

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throwing out teams and packages. But I think there are

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two things to really focus on here, and that is

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one Jah Morant means more to Memphis than just a

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basketball player.

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Speaker 2: Like he is someone.

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Speaker 1: This was someone if we were doing League Pass rankings

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for individual players, how many years would he have finished

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in the top five for us, even with the injury risk?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, he's gonna put.

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Speaker 2: Butts in seats.

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Speaker 1: He's the name around which it feels like this error

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was built, but it also kind of feels like they might.

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Speaker 2: Be signaling they're going to move away from it.

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Speaker 1: You also have to ask, does it make sense though,

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to move him now when he's at the nadir of

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his value. There was the report like I think it's

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telltale in the reports from Sam Amic, from Jake Fisher.

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There was even the ESPN roundtable either the hypothetical packages

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being thrown out there. I think what ESPN said is

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they can hope to get something like the Nets did

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for Kyrie Irving, which really came out to be a

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first round pick, and then whatever they turned Dorian Finney

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Smith into, which was not he They didn't get first

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round picks for Dorrian Finney Smith when they trade him

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to the Lakers, and then the team names that are,

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it feels like it's all speculation. It's not tam X

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is interested in John ran. It's like, well, the Kings

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are stupid enough to throw a bunch of stuff at Memphis.

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But that feels like the level of analysis and if

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you're the Grizzlies, So my definitive answer would be I'm

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not trading John Morant because he is at or close

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to Then the idea of his value when you look

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at oh if if you can't trust him to be

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a leader in the locker room or respond to coaching

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criticism the right way, and then just to play on

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the court. I mean, when you look at players who

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have this season a twenty five usage rate or higher,

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only Shad and Sharp, Jeremiah Fears and Trey Mann have

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a lower points per shot attempt than John Morant. That's

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not we could talk about. Well, think about what he

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is at his peak? How long ago was John Moran's peak,

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And I think that eventually opens up what we'll have

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to touch upon is how much of this is actually

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the Grizzlies' fault for maybe not reading the room and

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understanding we needed to go harder, faster around this.

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Speaker 2: Guy because of the type of style he plays.

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Speaker 1: But if if you're the Grizzlies, are you even you

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have to let me be clear, you have to entertain

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it if a team comes and offers you a real package.

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Speaker 2: But if you're the Grizzlies, you're not.

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Speaker 1: You can't take the initiative and just put Even if

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John Rant says he wants out, which does he have

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the clout in your mind to even force his way out.

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Speaker 2: But also you.

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Speaker 1: Can't you're not operating from any position of strength here

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at the moment.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree, So there's a lot to unpack here.

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One issue is, even if you believe from memphisis perspective,

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and I don't know that it is, because like you said,

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his value is certainly not at its peak. It's it's

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much closer to it's to having bottomed out. But let's

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say you're the Grizzlies and you believe that the best

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move for the franchise is to trade him now, even

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if just you're not gonna get much more than the

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Kyrie package, which I pushed back on a little bit,

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because Kyrie was gonna be a free agent. Jaw's got

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two extra years on top of that on his dealshback.

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Speaker 2: Right, is that cut?

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Speaker 1: But also at the time, even though Kyrie did everything

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within his power off the court to submarine the NETS's

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title win, so there was a proof of concept on

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the court for longer than.

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Speaker 2: Ja Morant has delivered it. And so in a.

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Speaker 3: Very different type of like, Kyrie Irving is above all

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skilled and Ja Morant is above all athletic, and so like,

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if you're trying to project what kind of player type

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is going to age better. It was always Kyrie, right, Like,

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that's that's got to be mentioned. But what so I

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keep getting I keep going on tangents of my own making.

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The issue is for Memphis, if you believe that the

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best possible move is to trade Ja Morant, you might

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still not be able to make that move because there

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have been whispers that like relocation is in the ether

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for the NBA, and New Orleans and Memphis are the

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top two names on that list. Memphis lease on the

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FedEx forum goes through twenty seven to twenty eight hasn't

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been renewed. So if you're the Grizzlies, you have to

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think about, is Ja Morant so important to the fan

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base here and our whole operation that trading him means

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were x percent more likely to not have an NBA

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team here anymore? Like that's that's a factor. Now that's

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more of like a Memphis concern than ownership or whatever,

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because like you still get to be in charge of

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the team, you're just maybe in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: That's another thing. Maybe you do this to submarine the

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operation so you get relocated.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's a that's a variable that

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didn't exist for Brooklyn when they're trying to trade Kyrie,

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didn't exist for the Heat when Jimmy Butler's making ways

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like this is that's a that's a big thing to

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have to think about. Is like there's potential for a

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Ja Morant trade because of all we talk about and

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when we talk to Keith Perris, it's just like Moran

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is the most popular Memphis athlete, Like in however many

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years you trade that guy, You're twenty sixth in attendance

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with him, what's it look like without him?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: It sucks that that has to be a consideration, but

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it does. I want to ask you, though, like do

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you buy into this idea because I just said twenty

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six in a that's terrible. And the Grizzlies have mostly

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been pretty good with Morant, right, Like, They've had some

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deep playoff runs, some fifty win seasons.

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Speaker 1: And the home court is notoriously feels like one of

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the better home court It's like it's.

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Speaker 4: Not slightly live in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a raucous environment, but apparently that's just like

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a lot of people doing extra work because there's nobody there.

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I don't know, it never feels that way My take

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on that is if you trade Jah Morant, sure like

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that could hurt attendance, that could make you a less

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notable franchise. I would say, though, that what matters way

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more than that is just how good the team is,

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you know, in the next one to two to three years,

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and if you're back to winning fifty games with somebody

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other than Jaw, I don't think your attendance is going

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to be worse than twenty six. I think fans will

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show up if your team is good, like it's it's

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kind of like, I don't know where the early two

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thousands Detroit Pistons like a ton of fun to watch

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when they're just grinding games out, Like their attendance was great,

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like the it doesn't matter what's causing the wins. If

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the wins are coming, I think fans show up and

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they'll embrace whatever this new identity post Jaw is if

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it's successful. If you trade Jaw and you're bad, then yeah,

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like obviously things will be worse for you as a franchise.

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But I'm not This is all a roundabout way of saying, yes,

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it's a concern that, like you might get relocated if

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if you trade jaw, but ultimately you're gonna do fine

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if the team is good, whether you have Jaw or not.

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Like that's that's what I come back to. I think

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fans are fickle that way. It's not like, yeah, he's

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iconic and you can't imagine the franchise without him until

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you don't have him in as long as it's good,

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you don't care. That's that's kind of where I land

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on it.

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Speaker 1: I would agree I would make the decision independent of

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the relocation thing.

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Speaker 2: And I also think.

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Speaker 1: That the Ja Morant factor is overblown when it comes

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to that discussion. Are we going jamrant is in his

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age twenty six season? Do you think that relocation is

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gonna be based off whether he's on the roster for

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his age was that twenty eight twenty nine season, especially

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when he's playing the way he is.

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't buy that, And so you could, so then

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we're you're And also you mentioned at the top that's

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more of an ownership concern to where it's like, are

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they they're looking at it from the perspective of like,

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well could we get if they're gonna sell the team,

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what could they get for it? Or if they're gonna

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move the team, what do they stand to make? I

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think that's a decision that gets made independent of John

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Morant being there. Should be What you said, I think

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is more salient is just what does it look like

476
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,759
after John Morant? Because it's gonna be bad for a while,

477
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:37,440
so you need to have the stomach for Maybe they'll

478
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,279
be a drop in attendance or interest, but if you

479
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:42,279
can build it back up soon enough, the Grizzlies fans

480
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:46,319
will always be there. Yeah, how do you ensure, like,

481
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,200
how do you ensure you can get to that point?

482
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,480
Because you can't trade John Morant? For there'd be two

483
00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,480
variables here that you just get the godfather offer and you're.

484
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: Able to it's easy.

485
00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:58,599
Speaker 1: You have all these rebuilding tools, You're able to make trades,

486
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,279
you're able just to draft and develop.

487
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 2: Or do you actually just believe that.

488
00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: Trading Moran doesn't as long as you're not actively taking

489
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,680
back to like terrible contracts, you're not actually hurting your

490
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,480
future as much because you've already put in motion. Well,

491
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,079
we're trying to not rebuild, but at least reorient ourselves

492
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,559
somewhat independent of him. When you look at what happened

493
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,640
with the Desmond Bine trade. I never once believed I

494
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,920
did believe that the Desman May trade was about flexibility,

495
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,039
but I never viewed it as a vote of confidence

496
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,599
of the organ like the organization putting in Ja Moran.

497
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,079
Speaker 2: It was never once that.

498
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I think.

499
00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:41,759
Speaker 3: I think you also have to consider the idea that like, well,

500
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:47,000
if John Morant's gonna never play seven straight games again,

501
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,519
you know, and or when he's on the court, he's

502
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,480
this diminished version of himself, like what are we even doing?

503
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,920
You know, he can be as beloved as you want,

504
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,839
but it's just like addition by subtraction is too harsh.

505
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,799
Like if you just erase from the team and have

506
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,720
that open salary slot or whatever, I don't know, like

507
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,079
odds are you'll you'll use that on someone that's more durable,

508
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,400
but the highs won't be as high because underlying all

509
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,000
this is like when he's been healthy, which has been

510
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,480
or available, which has been rare, the Grizzlies are.

511
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: Just good Like that just that is what happens.

512
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: So it's it's hard to maybe we should just kind

513
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,920
of get into like potential packages or landing spots, which is.

514
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: Like I ask one more question before please.

515
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: Because that's the stuff I'm worse at.

516
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: So so I think it's the stuff that people enjoy

517
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,200
hearing about the most, even if they want to. It's

518
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,279
rage bait, I suppose, but it's a fascinating exercise because

519
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:40,640
of how tough it is. But I wanted to ask

520
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,160
how much of this is on Jamrant bears a ton

521
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,480
of culpability here, But isn't this level of the Grizzlies

522
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:53,039
misreading the room on how they how aggressive they needed

523
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,720
to be when Jah Morant was what we thought was

524
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:56,640
an ascending star.

525
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: It's I don't think you ever want.

526
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: To operate as if, oh, this player could be gone

527
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,200
or out of his prime tomorrow at the same time

528
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,799
when you're dealing with someone who's just like this physiological anomaly. Yeah,

529
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:10,839
it's the same thing with the Pelicans and Zion, where

530
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,400
they spend so much time either trying to not even wait,

531
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,079
but like Taylor themselves to be as good as possible

532
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,880
even when he wasn't playing. It's if you have someone

533
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,240
like Jaw with his athleticism and you can't guarantee that

534
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:25,839
he's going to successfully adapt his and he's look, I

535
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,680
think what favors him is that he is a really

536
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,240
good passer, and so like there's as his athleticism continues

537
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,599
to decline, he will still have utility. But if you're

538
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,759
the Grizzlies we made fun of like their wing choices,

539
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,880
but the idea that like Zaire Williams at one point

540
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,720
was supposed to be like this big deal for them,

541
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:43,559
And yeah, I missed on Zaire Williams too. I want

542
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:47,480
to be clear, them never really going full bore and

543
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,319
like paying Jaron Jackson Junior, John Rant, Desmond Baine for

544
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,799
a little bit isn't full bore. That's not what full

545
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,119
boor is. And so they, I think bear a ton

546
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,079
of blame here too. To one, you also set the

547
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:01,559
precedent that John Morant can mope the way that he does,

548
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,599
or thinks that he has the level of agency in

549
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,400
clout within the organization. That was clearly a mistake. I've

550
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,319
seen a lot of kind of the defenses of what

551
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,279
he said, like, oh, like the tone of his comments

552
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,799
are like this is kind of always the same.

553
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: That's a problem. That's not a defense, and.

554
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: So he does this all the time. That's not that

555
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,640
you're not making a good argument.

556
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: You've enabled this to an extent, and I'd be saying

557
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,000
the same thing if John Morant was considered a top

558
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,880
ten player in the NBA right now. Is I think

559
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,920
that's where our front office is supposed to come into play,

560
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Is that you are supposed to figure out a way

561
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,359
to integrate these superstars. Yeah, they're gonna get special treatment,

562
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,720
but you can't let it run a muck to the

563
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,519
point where this type of these types of comments or

564
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,559
these suspensions are just they always looms. That's not an

565
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,680
okay status quo. So no, I just don't think the

566
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,920
Grizzlies are being blamed enough for and forget forget about

567
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,519
the off court stuff for a moment.

568
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,839
Speaker 2: The on court stuff of was it?

569
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: I love Cedric Cowhard is amazing, and we talked about

570
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:57,519
him in our Piece of Paddock segment.

571
00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:58,599
Speaker 2: Everybody go check it out.

572
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: But like, what what was that Desmond Baying trade actually signaling?

573
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:06,920
If we were to compliment them, it's or they recognized

574
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,880
that they weren't good enough as currently constructed.

575
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,519
Speaker 3: Which we did, Like I think we made that point.

576
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,759
That was an acknowledgement that this Big three is not

577
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:14,319
good enough?

578
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,319
Speaker 1: Right, But why was like it was the well we're

579
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,480
gonna parlay this into like a very future focused package,

580
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,960
rather than you didn't go out and try and find.

581
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: A way to upgrade the Big Three.

582
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: What you did was, I don't even know what the

583
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,119
Grizzlies are on in Fury, one of the most if

584
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,640
you leave the roster as is, they're on one of

585
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,960
the most confusing timelines in the entire league.

586
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

587
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,039
Speaker 3: No, I think it's fair to blame management, ownership, whatever

588
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:39,920
for for all the reasons you said. I do think

589
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,519
though it's easy for us, it's easy for us, and

590
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,480
I'll just say me to leave you out of it.

591
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:49,119
But like to look at a player like Morant and say,

592
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,319
who gonna be a short prime? Like guys like this

593
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,079
that depend on athleticism, they don't last long, especially if

594
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,240
you can't shoot, which he never really has. Even that

595
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:02,319
all NBA season was like thirty four percent from three on, Like, eh, volume,

596
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,400
so easy to easy from outside. I think if you're

597
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,960
close to the situation and like say you drafted Ja

598
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,200
Moran or say whatever, you it's way harder to be

599
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:13,960
like we got to go for it now because this

600
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,720
guy's gonna fall apart tomorrow like that, Like it's just like.

601
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,119
Speaker 4: Cause you don't you won. You don't want to believe that.

602
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,519
Speaker 3: You want to think we got our guy, he's gonna

603
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:24,799
be good for ten years, he'll improve, And it's just

604
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,880
easier too to be like, well, I hope what I

605
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,759
want and what I hope for are like the same things,

606
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,599
which is to say Josh stays this good or continues

607
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,160
to get better all the way through his twenties were set,

608
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,119
which is kind of how everybody was talking about the

609
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,640
Grizzlies for a good chunk of time there of like well,

610
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,640
if you're got you're talking young cores, and like who's

611
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,079
got the best five year time horizon? There was a

612
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:48,279
minute there where Memphis was very much at the top

613
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,440
of that discussion, And it's because we all thought in

614
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,480
the same way that I think management tends to do

615
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,720
more often, which is like, we're not gonna forecast or

616
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,039
plan for the worst possible thing, which is Jahn Morant's

617
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:02,920
not going to be very good for much longer. Like

618
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,160
you just like, that's so hard to do, I think

619
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,599
from a close up like skin in the game stance,

620
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:12,400
and it's very easy for us far away to be like, yeah,

621
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,680
this guy's falling off.

622
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: But isn't. There's also smaller gestures they could have made,

623
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:20,480
like not needing to use picks to dump salary to lower.

624
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,599
Speaker 3: The They fucked up a million like the transaction tree.

625
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,079
Speaker 4: We've talked about for years.

626
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: Of just like you turned X into Y, and it's

627
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,680
just like it always how is X all of a sudden?

628
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,599
Speaker 1: It always felt like half or three quarter measures is

629
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,279
what I mean, Like the right the Marcus Smart trade

630
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:38,279
is probably the perfect example. It's where it's like, that's

631
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,480
kind of interesting, but the idea that he was what

632
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,559
they need, that's your big swing, and so like they

633
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,359
I just you're you're right, you probably and you shouldn't

634
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,920
have to forecast that John Morant would end up here

635
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,640
at the same time, even if you didn't think he

636
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,440
would does don't Fern offices just need to operate.

637
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: With more urgency.

638
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: In general, now we've had seven straight different NBA champions

639
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,759
and even windows that we thought were gonna be open

640
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:06,240
for a really long time. I mean, the Celtics are

641
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,559
an anomaly, and even Theirs kind of came crashing to

642
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,400
a point that no one was expecting with the Jason

643
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Tatum injury. Look at the Pacers without look what happened

644
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,759
to the nets?

645
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Where's okay?

646
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,559
Speaker 1: Those stars were older, but didn't they You thought there

647
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:18,960
was gonna be two to three years of inevitability. They

648
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,079
didn't even get to two. So getting two trades? Are

649
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:25,920
there any I think we need to blow through the

650
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,160
cliche teams are the ones that are most mentioned. The

651
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,519
Atlanta John Morant Trey youngst we're just thrown out structures.

652
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,160
We're not gonna get into nitty gritty. The Trey Young

653
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640
for John moranch alenge trade does absolutely nothing for me.

654
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,839
And if I'm if I had to pick a side

655
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:41,480
that should be less likely to do it, I think

656
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,119
it's Atlanta.

657
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.

658
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't know that this is I mean, at the moment,

659
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Trey Young, well, one he's injured, but two I think

660
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,359
I think he's still just the better player. So from

661
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,759
Atlanta's perspective, I don't. I don't know why, like John

662
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:03,519
and Daniels, is a rough combo. You need so much

663
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:07,359
shooting around those two, which maybe Atlanta has in theory.

664
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I don't. I don't.

665
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,599
Speaker 3: I don't love it for either side. I guess, like

666
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,759
I guess, maybe you you'd have to like it. More

667
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,039
from memphisis side. But then you just like, well, what

668
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,400
are we gonna pay Trey Young? He can just leave anyway,

669
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:21,720
you know, So that that makes that one complicated. But

670
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,640
kudos to you because that's not one that's not one

671
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,920
of the usual suspects that's got tossed out right.

672
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: Away in the Moran speculation.

673
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: The other two usual suspects. Let's get one out of

674
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,160
the way really quickly. I despise the idea, and this

675
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,720
is nothing to do with John Moran as a person,

676
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:39,319
but like Jah Moran and Houston makes absolutely no sense

677
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,960
and I cannot stress that enough as a playmaker. Sure,

678
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,599
but that team is even if they get away from dual,

679
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,880
When they get away from dual, big lineups, excuse me,

680
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,839
they're hard up for spacing John Moran aman Thompson outprints.

681
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,839
Like that's just no, that's that doesn't do it for me.

682
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: The spacing and then the specific impact on Thompson, which

683
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,799
is like very different players obviously, but like if you're

684
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,359
getting more, if Marant's on the team, he's on the

685
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:09,759
ball a lot because he has zero off ball value,

686
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,319
at least especially lately. And what does that mean for

687
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,519
You're diminishing who we think, and Shan Gun's great, but

688
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:17,960
like Thompson's still the guy right, like if he if

689
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,759
he becomes the best version of himself.

690
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,839
Speaker 4: Me, Shanegun's been really good, but you.

691
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: See what I'm getting A yeah, you're you're compromising Thompson's growth,

692
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,680
I think definitively because he's just off the ball a

693
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:29,200
lot more.

694
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:30,039
Speaker 4: Don't like it.

695
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,519
Speaker 1: I find it funny that the Kings continue to be mentioned, like, well,

696
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,440
maybe they would do something stupid. They just have they

697
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,839
have too many guards to think that. I know none

698
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,119
of them are actual point guards at this point. I

699
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,680
would say, if I'm Memphis, I don't hate the idea

700
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,039
of a Ja Morant like Sabonis trade structure, SA Bonus

701
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,119
and Jaron Jackson Junior together. I know you have Zach

702
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,519
Edy there already, but like.

703
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: Playing around Zach Edy, you're not like making it right?

704
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: What do you think?

705
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,519
Speaker 1: I think? I think when Sack was mentioned, it's they

706
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,200
want a pair jaw with Sibonis, and I just would

707
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,359
view that as almost looking at the point where job

708
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,679
Moran is at in his clear it seems like a

709
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,519
lower end it, or at least a riskier version of

710
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,320
Let's play darn Fox and the bonus together, and like

711
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,199
we have more evidence that Fox was doing more stuff

712
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,559
off the ball better than John Moran, and like the

713
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,320
defense would be worse, that's for sure.

714
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And just like I mean what it's it is,

715
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,679
you do have to mention the Kings because like, if

716
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,480
you're in the Russell Westbrook business, you're by definition in

717
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:31,480
the anything business.

718
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, this is an aside.

719
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,559
Speaker 1: Did you hear Russell Westbrook say that he opted out

720
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,559
of his contract because the Nuggets told him to they

721
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,920
didn't want him. I wonder why the Lakers didn't just

722
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,239
try that rather than having to trade him, trade him to.

723
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 4: Utah that's all it takes. Yeah, by that money? Yeah,

724
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:48,719
pretty good?

725
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

726
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,079
Speaker 3: I do like Sibonis and Jackson because Jackson does cover

727
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,800
up for the two core deficiencies, which are rim protection

728
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,960
and spacing. And you could play them together because Jackson

729
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:00,679
is fine out in space.

730
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and contrary to how you feel about it, both

731
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,960
of them do space the floor technically.

732
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: I know you're iffy on.

733
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: The contrary to how I feel about facts.

734
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Now, but you know what the problem is there is

735
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,880
if you're the Grizzlies or you the team that is

736
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,199
having to give up picks in that situation, or do

737
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,440
you think the King's viewed from a proposition of well,

738
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,440
Ja Moran's peak might be higher and his contract is

739
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,639
technically shorter, so it gives them an out from a

740
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:24,159
mega salary sooner.

741
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Sibonis is pretty beloved in ways similar

742
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,079
to Jah. I think I'm trying to decide which fan

743
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,440
base would be more upset by that if you just

744
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,519
called it a challenge trade, like a straight up one

745
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,039
for one. I don't even know if the money works,

746
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:44,239
but it's actually probably pretty close. I mean, the Kings

747
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,599
already don't have anyone that's not a guard, so just

748
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:50,119
like from a like I don't know what that roster is,

749
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,960
like Max Renoud starting at center all of a sudden

750
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,840
and Jaw is out there with like Levigne and DeRozan

751
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,239
and Russ and that, Like, I just don't know what

752
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,239
you're doing there.

753
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, it doesn't.

754
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,639
Speaker 1: I would say it makes less sense for the Kings,

755
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,480
but oh yeah, I just.

756
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: You could though, like Devil's Advocate, if you're the Kings,

757
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,199
you can be like, we look at this, we got

758
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,480
we got the most exciting player in the league. Just wait,

759
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:18,280
now that he's happy, he's gonna be You thought All

760
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,679
NBA Third Team or whatever it was was something five

761
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,280
years ago, get ready like you could, you could definitely

762
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,599
brand yourself around him. Whether and that's whether that would

763
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,360
actually amount to anything like team success wise is an

764
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,320
open question, but that that's the case for it. But

765
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,079
you're also giving up a player that's like every Sabonis

766
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:43,079
is every King's fans favorite guy probably still.

767
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: So I think the Kings fans would react. I don't know,

768
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,000
that's a let us know in the comments which fan

769
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,360
base would hate that trade more. I'm assuming neither of

770
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,519
them will like it. No, what about Minnesota has been mentioned?

771
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,119
They don't have a first round pick to trade, and

772
00:36:57,159 --> 00:36:59,719
so if you're Memphis, who are I'm assuming I guess

773
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,519
you do? You want Rob Dillingham?

774
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: Like, what do you want for Minnesota to ask part

775
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,199
of that deal?

776
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,599
Speaker 3: Well, you've got to, I mean, Minnesota is gonna have

777
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:10,519
to peel off some good players to make that work.

778
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:12,679
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

779
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: It's like what os and what I mean? You throw

780
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,199
Aryn Shaddon junior there, he doesn't have the cleanest start.

781
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 4: Does that get get you? That gets you close? Maybe?

782
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,119
Speaker 1: Like I mean it's McDaniels in the trade.

783
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,519
Speaker 3: Like, if you get a McDaniels, I think just like

784
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:29,320
you've really fundamentally changed your team as the Wolves, and

785
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,679
I don't.

786
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean at this.

787
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,679
Speaker 1: Point too, it's so then Anthony Edwards is just gonna

788
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,079
guard the best player every single night, is what's gonna

789
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,000
He's been doing more of that, but yeah, you don't

790
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,039
want him to do all of that?

791
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,119
Speaker 3: What and just the Jaw Edwards pairing, like what what's

792
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,920
that look like? Certainly the ball is out of Edwards's

793
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,840
hands quite a bit more, which, like I think one

794
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,320
of the things we've thought was wrong with the Wolves

795
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,800
is like Edwards has way too much playmaking responsibility. Can

796
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,920
you get a point guard? So if just from that perspective,

797
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,119
it's like, well we checked that box.

798
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 4: But somehow I don't love the and I'm not sure why.

799
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,039
Speaker 1: And I think this is more of a fit thing

800
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:05,239
than about jos talent just looking at the Rudy Gobert

801
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,400
of it. And also what does it mean for juliet

802
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,920
a defense of John Moran and Julius Randall?

803
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: What is that?

804
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,639
Speaker 1: And the Wolves have struggled enough on defense. I think

805
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,960
my hot take would be that Minnesota would be worse

806
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:18,079
if you did something like nas Read and Dante DiVincenzo

807
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,880
for John Morant.

808
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: You'd love to know what version of Morant you're getting,

809
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,960
But we spent a lot of time here talking about

810
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,400
how like that all NBA version ain't coming back, So yeah,

811
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,199
I think I think you might be right on that front.

812
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,320
It's just like getting All Star John Moran.

813
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: And is that even a package Memphis could even if

814
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,519
you're getting Rob Dillingham or a first round pick swap,

815
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:43,599
is that a package that you can sell to ownership,

816
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,000
to the fan base. It's because I'd be very curious

817
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,440
what because we went what they got for Desmond Bane.

818
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,519
You remember you and I talked about what's really awkward

819
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,239
is that if the Hawks put Trey Young on the market,

820
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,280
would they get as much for him as the Grizzly

821
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,760
It only takes one suitor. Would they get as much

822
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,239
for him as Desmond Baane? Couldn't you aren't we kind

823
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,159
of at the point where you could ask the same

824
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,440
question about John Morant. Of all the teams we've mentioned,

825
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,719
some of them don't have the assets, But I'll name

826
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,760
some other teams here too that could get in on it.

827
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,280
A lot of people have sided in Miami. Khalil Ware

828
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,920
and Jaron Jackson Junior could be interesting. They have some

829
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,559
contracts to maybe you're getting Kaimy hawkas out of that

830
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,119
to make it. We're like, is Miami with the I

831
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,760
think they have two tradeable first round picks or whatever, like,

832
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,079
are they coming in with two first round picks and

833
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:32,480
khalil Ware and salary for John Morant?

834
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,679
Speaker 3: I mean, well, if they if Miami wasn't running the

835
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,719
Noel Laroche offense that John Morant hated so much, that's

836
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,159
a really good to entertain that option. But well, some

837
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:50,159
of the packages we're throwing out are like, that's worse

838
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,000
than the Kyrie return, And we kind of got got

839
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,440
to the idea of like, well it's kind of different

840
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,880
because of the athleticism decline and all that kind of stuff.

841
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: But if well, you we didn't really put So, if

842
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,800
you're Memphis and you're trading Ja Moran, are you you

843
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,079
want more of a picks and prospects prospects package or

844
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,440
is it like a Nase read Dante's evencenz. I'm not

845
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,039
saying that's all it needs to be, but your team

846
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,519
probably liked I don't know who's running your offense. You're

847
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:15,840
hoping Scottie Pippen is is healthy. You do have Cam

848
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Spencer is having a pretty good year tied to Rome

849
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,639
once he's healthy.

850
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: But what are you what are you prioritizing?

851
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: I sort of think if you're trading John Moran, it's

852
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:29,719
the second step in the Maybe it won't be a

853
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,920
three step process because step three would be trading Jackson.

854
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,440
I think you could just hold on to him because

855
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,800
he'll fit in like most constructions you want to pursue.

856
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,960
I think it needs to be more of a picks

857
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,119
and prospects thing, because if you're trading Moran, you're acknowledging. Okay,

858
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,719
we tried it with this group.

859
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,039
Speaker 4: We moved Baine.

860
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 3: Let's move him like we're are they a playing team

861
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,159
at the moment? Like who are you swapping in there?

862
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,239
That elevates you to like the top four in the West,

863
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,599
which should probably be the goal if you're going for

864
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,960
like let's get someone into hell now. So I think

865
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,880
it is a picks and prospects move, which would be

866
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,800
in keeping with the Bain trade. Like that's what you

867
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,159
did with the Bain trade. You got optionality, flexibility, cost, control,

868
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,639
young players, all that stuff. Why would you It would

869
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,320
feel kind of disjointed if you prioritized, let's get someone

870
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,760
in that's we think is better than John Morant today

871
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,920
to build the team.

872
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know how that works.

873
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: Well, there's a twofold question here is one. I don't

874
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,639
love the fit, but like, if you could just get

875
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,400
him for the twenty thirty two first round pick and salary,

876
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,920
eventually we're able to get there. Does Milwaukee have any

877
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,440
interest in bringing in John Morant to or is it

878
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:37,639
just Ryan Rollins is better?

879
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. I'm kidding, all right, probably, but.

880
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,079
Speaker 4: I hate the honest jaw fit.

881
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,639
Speaker 1: Don't you don't love it? Like, but here's the other

882
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:51,159
side of that. You're talking about, how hard would it

883
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,599
be to upgrade from Ja Morant if you're the Grizzlies.

884
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,000
What if this offseason or maybe it's by the trade deadline.

885
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,679
But Giannis's bald, he probably would MVP.

886
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: I think if he said today.

887
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: He wants out of Milwaukee, Milwaukee doesn't control. It's the

888
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,159
first round pick again until twenty twenty, twenty thirty two,

889
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,599
whatever it is, and you do Jaw Morant, all these

890
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:17,400
picks and like anyone who's not Cedric Coward and Jared

891
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,119
Jackson JUNR.

892
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,079
Speaker 2: Is that like a move or is that too.

893
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:26,679
Speaker 3: You need every possible if you're like if I guess

894
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,719
at that point, Moran's like matching salary right like that.

895
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,679
Speaker 4: At that point, it.

896
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Is Milwaukee viewing him as well, yeah, we'll take a

897
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,679
flyer on someone who will put butts in seats since

898
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,760
we don't have her and we're entering this Postona's phase.

899
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: Maybe as yeah, like this will tide us over for

900
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,800
a year or two, and what we really wanted was

901
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,559
the picks so we can properly rebuild. But this might

902
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,119
be okay for a minute, like sure, and and the

903
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,320
Jaw Turner fit is fine, Like that's that's pretty close

904
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,159
to the jawj Aaron Jackson fit that was effective. I guess,

905
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,360
I just it's this is really hard, Like this is

906
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,599
why he's probably not getting traded, because there's just like

907
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,159
I don't I don't see the destination. He's like one

908
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:09,400
the team that needs him desperately and was one.

909
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: Of gill that he could play off Kyrie, but that's

910
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,599
just right now, he's like you almost need Kyrie for

911
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:17,559
John Moran to make sense on Dallas, and at that

912
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:18,960
point it defeats the purpose.

913
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,679
Speaker 3: There was probably a time where we would have mentioned Orlando,

914
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,920
and I just don't think that's remotely realistic now.

915
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: John Desmond bathing it worked.

916
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:30,599
Speaker 4: Do you have any other teams before we put a

917
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:31,280
ball on this, some.

918
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: People mentioned Toronto.

919
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: I hate that fit, like Barrett and Quickly or something.

920
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: They have the money, Yeah, and it's just with him.

921
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,559
With Scottie Barnes, I don't love, and I don't think

922
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,159
you could also look at are there organizations that might

923
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,360
buy medium on him and think they could reboot his

924
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,039
value or a team that's not good now but things

925
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:51,119
it might like I might make the leap soon. Washington's

926
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,440
not going to go after John Moran. I don't think Brooklyn,

927
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,920
even with its next year's first round pick going to Houston.

928
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,599
I don't think they would be in on John Morant.

929
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,719
And that's what I think is tough and why we're

930
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,840
at this point where we agree that I don't trust

931
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,559
Memphis's vision right like they just seem there's a duality

932
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,199
to what they're trying to do that I don't think

933
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,280
is gonna work. But I don't believe that trading John

934
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,880
Morant unless you believe that he is so much of

935
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,599
a malcontent behind the scenes that he is torpedoing development,

936
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:24,000
the locker room, all of this. I just don't know

937
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000
why you would move him now. At the same time,

938
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,039
I recognize that there is an awkwardness because to me,

939
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,559
this is just me reading between the lines. You made

940
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,679
it very clear over the offseason that he is not

941
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,400
necessarily priority number one. I don't think that even if

942
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,679
they were trying to restructure themselves, like to say, oh,

943
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,199
we're not trying to blow it up, We're just trying

944
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to reorient or recalibrate our timeline, it felt more like

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an investment in Jaron Jackson Junior is a mainstay than

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John Morant is a mainstay.

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Speaker 3: I think the last thing I'd say is what you're

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talking about is a little bit of a chicken or

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egg thing. Is like, is John Morant playing this way

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and acting this way because he did not get a

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commitment in form of an extension or did the Grizzlies

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not offer an extension because they had a pretty good

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idea that John Morant was going to play this way

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and act this way, you know, so like I We're

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just we're juggling the blame. But like I do think

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from the Grizzlies perspective, I wouldn't have extended him either,

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That's right, Like so I don't know, like who's actually.

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Speaker 1: It's is it even that question? Because I'm with you

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that I wouldn't have extended him. But if you were

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actually invested in John Morant, the only reason to actually

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not offer or talk about the extension again to me

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is because you're afraid he's going to sign it, Because

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isn't isn't that the whole It's like you, it's kind

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of a formality, but you do it anyway. And the

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fact that they didn't leads me to believe that they

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were afraid had they offered it to him, that he

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would have put pen to paper on this.

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Speaker 3: And and and we're saying that's the right decision. They

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were right to be afraid, right, Like, so, I don't

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know what you have.

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Speaker 1: To mean that this is over. Maybe maybe this situation

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resolves itself. But my closing thought on this would be,

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we do kind of know how this is gonna end.

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I would be fairly shocked if this is like John

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Moran is in Memphis for another two seasons. I don't

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know what's gonna become of this season, but we've just

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we've seen this movie before. A lot of this does

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feel like it's out of the team and Superstar depart

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typical script.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I also just I don't see how that ending comes

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about though.

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Speaker 3: Right well, we're just asking questions, tessing questions, didn't provide

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any answers.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to take us out of here?

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Speaker 3: You just asked me a question. Good way to keep

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with the theme. Thanks everybody for watching, for listening. Let

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us know what you think this is.

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Speaker 4: If any if ever there was.

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Speaker 3: A time to comment and and get in on the discussion,

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it's when we just ask questions, because you can provide

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us with answers. H do that on discord link for

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that in YouTube and podcast description.

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Speaker 4: Do that here in the comments on YouTube. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Write us of a snail mail letter if you want.

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Speaker 4: You don't have an address for that, Just just.

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Speaker 3: And owl post whichever you want to use however you

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want to shouts Franklin Lookino followed this jar and Allen

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