WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:32.799 Welcome to Breeders Sin again. 2 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:36.840 So we're pretty excited today. You know, we've been doing 3 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.759 a lot of early breeding talk, trying to source some 4 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:42.799 of the history of how we got to where we 5 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:46.759 are today. We've talked about breeding techniques, we talked about 6 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:50.840 a bunch of early eighties and nineties seed banks. We 7 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:53.560 focused on Neville quite a bit because he was one 8 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.399 of the largest seed banks in the eighties. And we're 9 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:02.039 pretty excited today because we have the other largest seed 10 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.799 bank of the eighties, the Super Sativa Seed Club, which 11 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.879 was next to Neville, the biggest seed bank in Holland 12 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.359 at the time, and lots and lots of famous strains 13 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:16.560 like William's Wonder and Beatrix Choice and things of that 14 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.239 nature came out of their seed bank. And we're lucky 15 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.359 in that the founder is still alive and well and 16 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.159 was excited to talk to us. So we want to 17 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.640 bring you a couple stage interview with Correll, who is 18 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.840 the owner and founder of the Super Sativa Seed Club, 19 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:36.280 and we're going to be asking him a lot of 20 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.079 questions about the eighties, the style they were doing things, 21 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.480 how he got certain strains, and really all the areas 22 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.000 of interest we can think of. So this is kind 23 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:50.400 of like the second big piece to eighty seed banks 24 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.159 and modern breeding, and we're pretty excited. So here it is. 25 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:55.000 Prepare you sou. 26 00:01:58.560 --> 00:01:59.560 Okay, let's go. 27 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:04.120 So you are Carl, it's pronounced. 28 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:05.719 Carl, Gottle, Gottle Carl. 29 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.560 Yeahl It's an absolute pleasure to meet you. You're You're 30 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:12.360 a legend in this business and a lot of us 31 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:15.560 would love, would love to have. 32 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.639 This opportunity to speak with you. So I it's an honor. 33 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.479 Okay, Okay, take it easy, man, I'm just a guy 34 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:24.199 of flesh and blue. 35 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:25.680 Yeah, same here. 36 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.000 But it's really cool to be able to have this 37 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.400 opportunity to ask you some questions about the history of SSSC. 38 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.199 So where would you like to start? 39 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.840 Yeah, maybe, Yeah, it's a long time ago already, of course. 40 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:45.759 And nineteen eighty five we started, yeah, and those days, yeah, 41 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:51.240 we were squalls and we were well like you are, man, really, yeah, 42 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:52.599 we were activists and. 43 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:55.360 Our idea was to. 44 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:58.960 Yeah because in those days and all of it was 45 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:03.599 not legal to grow, but it was like a little bit, 46 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.680 it was not it was not a big deal to 47 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.759 do it, and not not many people did it. And 48 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:15.439 so yeah, we started to grow. And actually we learned 49 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:20.960 about growing and their metal hell out lights from people 50 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.599 who went to the States and they saw it there. 51 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.479 Oh wow. Yeah. 52 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.000 I worked in those days in a coffee shop and 53 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.159 a friend of us he went to the States and 54 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:34.360 and and. 55 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:35.960 And he saw how how you guys did this? 56 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.240 And nobody in those days did this in Holand, And 57 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:43.800 so I thought, yeah, let's give it a try. And 58 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.960 I think we'd we were the first in Holland to 59 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:50.680 grow on the on the metal highlights. 60 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.840 In those days, it was that's amazing. 61 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:53.639 Yeah yeah. 62 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:56.800 And then so we were we are we're looking to 63 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:01.319 left close to the big horticulture centrum of Holland, the 64 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.400 west Land because the Holands it is really we are 65 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:05.159 the number one. 66 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:07.199 In the world horticulture things. 67 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:12.960 Yes, so I have we decided to start is the 68 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:14.520 only problem we had. 69 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.079 We didn't have any seats. 70 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.040 Oh so how do how do you start sourcing your 71 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.199 seats and your lines? What makes you choose what you do? 72 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:24.920 Yeah, because the thing is, in those days the cannabis 73 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:31.160 was only from the tropical countries and it was all 74 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.600 seeded with a lot of seeds. So if you tried 75 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:38.839 those seats and alland they didn't. They didn't didn't flowering 76 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.680 time because we are quite new. And then those the 77 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:47.480 certifty are from the ecuators and so we didn't have success, 78 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:52.120 really not. And but one of the guys he went 79 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:56.000 to the States, one of our friends, because we needed seeds, 80 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.920 and he went to New York and he had to 81 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:00.800 short and offense. 82 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.639 I better I don't call the name because it's yeah, yeah, 83 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.000 And then he said, now, man, we don't have seats. 84 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.560 But he said, yeah, but I come from Holland and I. 85 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.600 Came especially to you to to pick up some seats. 86 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:17.879 And after one week he said, okay, okay, okay, we 87 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.079 will give you some seats. 88 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:23.160 And those were the William Wonder seats. 89 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.600 So those came out of New York. Yes, that's fascinating, yes. 90 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:32.199 And so then we started to grow those seats and 91 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.959 then we will be had quite not a big success, 92 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.439 but a little bit success. And after a while, the 93 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:43.480 famous the screen man you've heard from, of course, and 94 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.879 he came to live in Holland and and he contatacted. 95 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:52.240 He contacted us because he thought, when I live in Holland, 96 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.839 I have to be in touch with the seed guys. 97 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:01.600 And those days, you had Neville seat bank and we 98 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.399 were the second one, so there were basically two seat 99 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:05.120 banks in the world. 100 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:06.839 Sam and Sam. 101 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:10.120 He came to we became in contact with him, and 102 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.000 he told us, yeah, and I come here to live 103 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.839 in Aland, but I don't have a place to grow 104 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.800 and maybe you can help me or whatever. And he said, 105 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.120 I have a nice collection of seats because he did 106 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.120 a lot of breathing already in the state. 107 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:31.759 And his number one thing was skunk number one. This 108 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:32.680 was really the. 109 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.240 Yeah, the first variety in the world that really somebody 110 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.000 took the effort to him bred it and to to 111 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.519 to to make a selection out of a big group 112 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:49.199 and basically so we were very happy with those seats. 113 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.639 And he had something from his private status as well, 114 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.759 and he said, this is my private thing, but there 115 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:03.720 are only twenty seats left. So yeah, he gave us 116 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.120 some seats and those were the hay seeds. 117 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.560 The hay seeds, so he told you some of the 118 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:09.519 original hay seeds. 119 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.519 Yes, yes, So he had twenty seeds and he gave 120 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.399 ten to us, and he gave ten to to Neville. 121 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:16.959 These were from the same batch. 122 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.560 You were from the same bags. And I said, there's 123 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:20.079 those seeds. 124 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:22.240 They were already like ten years old, and he said, 125 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:25.879 this is really we need to germinate them because because 126 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.240 and I gave it to you because you understand how 127 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.519 to do it, and so we can see the safety seeds. 128 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:38.079 And we were not really we tried to hate but 129 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:41.439 we did not like it because it took too long 130 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:43.720 to flower and it was very small birds. And at 131 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:45.839 the same time, we were very glad with the scream 132 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.680 number one seeds because we were used to the fluffy 133 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:58.360 sativas that were from South Africa, from Jamaica, from so 134 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.040 we were really happy to see the big buds of 135 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:02.040 the skirk number. 136 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:02.519 One and it was. 137 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.680 Really a lot of resin and a lot of smell, 138 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.000 and but we decided to make a cross between skunk 139 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:14.279 number one and the UH and one of the haze 140 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.720 the hages we had left, and from this cross we 141 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:23.279 made a big selection and it's then we were very 142 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:28.079 happy to find one with correct correct the smell and 143 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.120 the taste of the haze and and the butt structure 144 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.200 of the skirt number one. So that was really happy 145 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.720 that we could grow hazes with it. Yeah, and dig 146 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.200 thick fat birds. And the nice thing about this. I 147 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.120 still have this plant and it's now twenty five years 148 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.120 old and we we still have it, and it's it's 149 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:53.039 our flag ship thing, of course, and we have now 150 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:54.600 based a lot of our crosses on. 151 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:59.720 We made it with this old school hazes we call it, and. 152 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.360 It's smell else like cat bis and it's really a dark, 153 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:07.120 dirty taste, but it's it's a very uplifting high and 154 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.679 it's really uh yeah, it's a really nice plant. It's 155 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.120 very difficult to grow because if you make a mistake, 156 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.480 if your room gets too hot, it starts to flower again. 157 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:23.200 And it's really a matter of of yeah, it's it's 158 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:23.519 it's it's. 159 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:24.240 A difficult thing to do. 160 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:26.759 I can't believe that that's still around. 161 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.039 That's amazing, that's absolutely and you're still using it in 162 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:30.039 your current breeding program. 163 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:31.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 164 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:36.360 And uh we stopped with the super Sativa seat clip 165 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:40.200 after about five years because it was really too it 166 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:41.960 became a little bit too successful. 167 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:43.440 Yeah, I know what you mean. 168 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.919 And in those days it was really yeah, we were 169 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.000 a bit afraid of Ronald Reagan. The water and drugs 170 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.559 was going on really strong in those days. So basically 171 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.879 we quit the super Sativa seat club. But I I 172 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:07.360 captain growing and doing doing cannabis in all different ways. 173 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.000 And like three or four years ago my two sons, 174 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.360 I have two sons their growers as well. That I 175 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:15.600 let's do it again, man, Why don't you do it? 176 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:19.799 Because everybody knows you and some people think you are 177 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:20.360 the legend. 178 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:21.919 So do it again. 179 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:27.159 So we started again, and and yeah, there's now quite successful. 180 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:30.320 And now in Holland we are also getting a situation 181 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.879 of of legal growing because in Holland we have also 182 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:39.039 always been on the forefront of the of the growing. Sure, 183 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.240 but but yeah we lost a little bit because you 184 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.120 guys are doing it very good of course now in 185 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:50.840 the in the States and in the legal situation and 186 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.480 and a lot of and a lot of states. So 187 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:00.279 Holland caun't can't stay behind man, because we are the 188 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:06.440 ones who we spilled out to do the cannabis thing. Yeah, 189 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.159 and now we are lucky. We started a lobby in 190 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:17.960 Holland and we also try to to change the law. 191 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.519 We basically wrote a law together with the Dutch government 192 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.000 and now there is going to be a big like 193 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:33.720 a trial and the Dutch government has given out ten 194 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:36.519 permits to grow legal for the Dutch coffee shops. 195 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:37.519 Oh wow. 196 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.480 And we were glad, we were lucky to want one 197 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.879 of the pyramids, because one hundred and fifty people applied 198 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:50.080 for the pyramid and only ten pyermits. So and like 199 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.360 from one hundred and fifty people, one hundred didn't make 200 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.759 it because the plan was not good enough and they 201 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:01.120 were not because you need to do to to comply 202 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.000 with a lot of rules, because you need to know 203 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:06.360 about cannabis. You need to have the money you need 204 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.480 to have to grow and a big skill. You need 205 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:11.399 good contact with the coffee shops. 206 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:12.200 And we all have this. 207 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.600 So now we are very happy because then we can 208 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.720 do our breeding really because we have done the breeding 209 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:25.720 all always in the illegalea here. So you can imagine 210 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.720 that it's for us difficult because we like to see it. 211 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:31.919 But it's also a little bit difficult to see that 212 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:38.759 people like exotic mic exoter genetics is really they can 213 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.200 they can work in the legal situation now for over three, 214 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.440 four or five years and you can see the results. 215 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.600 And yeah, he has a lot of people making seat 216 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:49.320 for him everywhere all over. 217 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:53.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah and then and hold on 218 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.600 to we we still have the like the strains, difficult 219 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:58.879 strains to grow. 220 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:03.639 The special turb turb profiles, and. 221 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.600 Yeah, that's what we want to go for something different 222 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:10.120 because it's cookie. 223 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.639 It's cookie everywhere nowadays. 224 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.120 I surely hope you guys stick with some of the 225 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.840 base old stuff because that's what we need. Nobody wants 226 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.360 cookies anymore over here. Everybody's hired cookies. 227 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:23.080 Yeah really yeah, because over here it's still new. 228 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:25.559 Yeah, it's still new over there, right, Like it's. 229 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:32.360 And like a strange but also in a comic situation 230 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:37.399 in that we we we went to the States to 231 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.720 get the seats, then we grow, we did a lot 232 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.159 of breeding and things, then we sold it back to 233 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:52.799 the States, and now the States is doing very well 234 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.039 and now we have to go to the States again to. 235 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:02.279 So can help there in that situation because we have 236 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.639 everything over here and you don't have to fly out 237 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.960 to get it, you understand it. 238 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.440 So that's that's nice that it's going all over the world. 239 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.519 And the idea of of the Shuper Sativa seat clip 240 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:17.679 was because we were very politically involved with Our idea 241 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:22.759 was to to help the States. Is a little bit 242 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.240 strange to say, but we were in this position that 243 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.759 we could do the semi legal our things. 244 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.720 And in those days you had a lot of people 245 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:35.000 coming back from Vietnam. 246 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.720 Those were our clients, you know, because they they ordered 247 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.559 the seats from US, and they were the ones. 248 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.639 Who really did a lot of Garelia farming. 249 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.320 And in the California where it's still going in the 250 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:49.399 same place where it's. 251 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:53.039 Now all so our divas. 252 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:57.039 When we sell the seats to a lot of different 253 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.720 people in the US, there will be a lot of 254 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:08.120 different a lot of refrigerating refrigerators stocked with seeds. So 255 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:12.480 for the government, it's quite difficult to stop this, you know, 256 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:15.879 because it's spreading everywhere, and and in those days you 257 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.519 didn't have the Internet, and it's if you live in 258 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.600 a certain city, okay, you can spread the seeds, give 259 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.960 this to your friends, but it's a bit difficult when 260 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.960 you live in California to to to make sure that 261 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:35.159 also the people in tanks, US or Alaska. So we 262 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.720 we our idea was to to spread it everywhere with 263 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.960 the idea this is not going to stop anymore. 264 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:42.240 Then. 265 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:44.639 Yeah, that's it's a beautiful idea. 266 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.879 It's like Johnny apple Seed modern day Johnny apple seed. 267 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:48.360 Yeah. 268 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:50.480 And also we did we were not in for the money, 269 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.080 because we we we did we we we really were 270 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.600 in for the love of the plant and we still are. 271 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:00.240 And of course the money was nice, but because our 272 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:04.799 business model was a little bit strange, because people from 273 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.759 the States had to send people money to the to 274 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:14.440 Holland without knowing who who we are. 275 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.519 And and and and then they had to twisters that 276 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:16.159 we sent. 277 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:20.120 The seeds back to them. Absolutely, in the first few years, 278 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.559 people were a little bit reluctant to send us money 279 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.759 because yeah, maybe who are we? 280 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:27.720 Nobody knew. 281 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.759 And so at one point people from High Times they 282 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.360 came to came to interview ers because we weren and 283 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.879 and and High Times, and they thought, oh man. 284 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:44.159 This is really this is this is for real. Yes, 285 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:45.279 so they make it. 286 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.519 They made a nice cover story about us, and from 287 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:53.039 those days it's really it really exploded. 288 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:53.840 You yeah. 289 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.159 Yeah, and then we got we go be cat like. 290 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:02.440 People from all the from everywhere in the world ordering seats, 291 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.720 and we thought this is really getting too big, and 292 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:09.160 we quited this because it was getting a little bit 293 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:09.839 out of hands. 294 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.440 Yeah, yeah, it got a little hot. 295 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.839 Because and a lot of people from Japan from Australia, 296 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.480 from Canada, from everybody to start to order seats because 297 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.240 it was really the first We really were the first 298 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:27.000 ones to do this and it was a big, big success, 299 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:28.759 and we were. 300 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:31.720 Robert CoML Clark. 301 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:33.920 You know him as well, I think, oh yes, he 302 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.720 told also always the wisest thing you did is quick 303 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:38.039 with this. 304 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:39.039 Yeah. 305 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.640 We saw what happened with Neville. We saw what happened it. 306 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's really u and now now 307 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.720 now yeah, yeah, we're still going strong and we are 308 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:52.920 still loving the plants and we we are still very 309 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:58.039 happy to to make combinations with the new things from 310 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:02.079 the States with our old stuff, and a lot of 311 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:05.359 things turned out very well because we like to have 312 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.559 We like the layer taste, you know. Yeah, if we 313 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:16.319 do something with hayes, we can keep the haze taste, 314 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.119 but also we can. 315 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.200 Combine it with like Aurelia glue or whatever. 316 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:25.119 And it makes me really a thing that we like 317 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.279 that it's not one taste, but a lot of different 318 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:34.079 tastes in one variety. And yeah, and we are not 319 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:38.000 so afraid of doing things like twelve each of flowering, 320 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.079 because yeah, a lot of people are afraid to do 321 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:46.119 this any days. It's difficult, but it's really worth waiting 322 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:47.079 a few weeks extra. 323 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:52.759 Americans are finally being more receptive to long flowering strains. 324 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:53.920 As of the past. 325 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.480 Maybe two or three years, I've noticed hazes are finally 326 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.440 starting to pick up in the US, whereas they were 327 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.880 never a staple here in Santa Cruz in the you know, 328 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.400 late sixties, early seventies, mid seventies. But nowadays people want that, 329 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:09.160 they want a little bit of that that trippy Colombian 330 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:10.680 and yeah. 331 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.079 Yeah, yeah, because we also we work together with age 332 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:19.079 seeds as well, do you know, as oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 333 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.920 That's what these are our friends as well. 334 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:22.079 And they're really good company. 335 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:27.920 They have they really have like these super strong shativas 336 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:32.519 and and and and now like in in the legal 337 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.400 situation and in the US, I do not understand why 338 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.799 people are afraid to from a longer flowery time, because 339 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.359 if you have the space to do this, I can 340 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.440 imagine in the illegal situation, and you don't have much space, 341 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.599 it's a bit yeah, of course, and I can imagine 342 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:50.920 that you want to speed up things. 343 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:51.240 In a little bit. 344 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.960 But but what I have seen always is it takes 345 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:59.359 four weeks longer to finish, but they yield and. 346 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.519 Get there exactly more. 347 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.880 Yeah, so at the end of. 348 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.720 The day your results are exactly the same as when 349 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.920 you grow short flowering varieties. 350 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.599 Sure, because the big. 351 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.920 The what we and hold on to always say, the 352 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:21.359 modern Americans strange, they lack yield, they lack weight. 353 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:24.680 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 354 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:26.720 That's why we try to make crosses with the new 355 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.200 American strains to to. 356 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:33.559 Get to make plants with the bigger yields. Yes, because 357 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.119 it's a TVs. You know how they how they flower. 358 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:41.720 The birds are arm length and yes, and then the 359 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.039 cookies you have a bird make if you don't have 360 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:49.359 anything in another bird, it's nice, but it doesn't bring 361 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:50.160 weight in the scale. 362 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:54.119 Yeah, No, there's cookies is very low yielding. And yeah, 363 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.319 the high doesn't last too long either. So a good 364 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.960 haze hybrid with the cookies would be awesome, you know, 365 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.400 bring much better Hi, the cookies that isn't there? 366 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:01.839 Yeah. 367 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:06.440 So I asked the questions for you, Do you. 368 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.039 Have a lot of good a good memory for like 369 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.480 where you source certain things or the history of certain 370 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:12.279 strains that you put out. 371 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.839 Not sure not Not that that's a bit of a problem, 372 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.880 because did the old school has the clone. We still 373 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.480 have and I'm in touch with in Canadia a lot 374 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.599 of people they still have the free lamp Indiga. 375 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.960 Yes, yes, it was very famous. 376 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:33.240 Almost people told me that a lot of people from 377 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.720 fifty sixty years old now that they started, when they 378 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:40.519 started to smoke, they all started with Freeland Indiga. 379 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:45.279 It was over. There was a really big thing. Yeah. 380 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:50.279 Now today I talked with somebody from Canada and he 381 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:52.519 knows a guy in the. 382 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.720 US who still has the Beatrix Jewish and thirty three. 383 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:01.880 And the thing is and in so many years, a 384 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:04.519 lot of things happened, so to be honest, I lost 385 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:05.720 a little bit track of. 386 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:08.559 Where everything thing is now. 387 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:10.640 Yeah, and and and in. 388 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:15.920 Those days we'll be basically samk Man of us. 389 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:19.200 He provided us with seeds and a lot of seeds 390 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.880 we we we we just took from from the bags 391 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.480 of wet that we that we yeah, that we bought 392 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:29.680 in the coffee shops. And in those days, but we 393 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:32.279 were we had the coffige in Amsterdam. We had the 394 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.599 coffee shop. It was called Durban Poison, Yes, and the 395 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:41.319 only sold cannabis from South Africa. Yes, So we made 396 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.160 a lot of crosses with the Durban Poison because it's 397 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:48.720 just South African is also it's far to the southern 398 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.119 the world, so the flowering period is more or less 399 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:54.920 the same as we have in Aland yes, this was 400 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:59.200 very nice to make crosses between Skink number one Durban 401 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:02.480 Poison and then and then we gave it a nice 402 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:03.759 name and it was. 403 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:06.640 Like our variety and it was not the deal because 404 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:07.599 it was really. 405 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:12.440 We took the seats from the backs and we grew them, 406 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:17.240 and we we pollinated the one that we like best, 407 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.519 and we had a new variety because in those days 408 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:24.079 it was not really in breading. Yeah, we did not 409 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.960 really do that because, to be honest to the month 410 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.680 for our seats were so big that we even didn't 411 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.880 have time to do this, you know. 412 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.200 Oh yeah, I understand that. 413 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.680 Yeah. So yeah. 414 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:40.279 One thing that's been happening in the US the past 415 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.119 maybe fifteen years since I've been around, I've noticed there 416 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:48.640 is a and this is unfortunate, seriously unfortunate, but every 417 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.839 two or three years, someone will come up and pretend 418 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:54.039 to have a big collection of all the SSSC stuff, yeah, 419 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:55.480 and then sell it and it's all fake. 420 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:55.960 You know. 421 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:58.160 It just happened to be a trix choice. Someone just 422 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.000 popped up with fake be a trix choice. That's probably 423 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.960 what you're referring to. That's not anyone's collections over here. 424 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:05.000 You know who we at Trixation. 425 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.559 Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah we we We've studied your 426 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.799 strains for so many years. The Williams Wonder clone is 427 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.160 still out here, that that cloning is still available. Yeah, 428 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.799 there's still seeds. Every once in a while you'll find 429 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:22.400 Williams Wonder seeds that are pure Okay, thirty nine still 430 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.240 around Freeland, still around. 431 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.079 A famous one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 432 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.079 Because in Canada, I went to visit Canada and then 433 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:35.079 the guy he showed me the Freeland Indiga, and then 434 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:39.440 I was really like, there is of course a lot 435 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:44.839 of things happened in all those years and is becoming 436 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:45.759 better and better. 437 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:51.400 And I was not really very proud to see the 438 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:52.720 Freeland the Indiga. 439 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.839 I was, I thought, this is not really but we 440 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.279 like those days and these days, you know. But but 441 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.720 I think it's more especially are the hate things, because 442 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:09.759 the hate is really something something different, and it's also. 443 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.359 For me as the owner of the SUPERSTITIVI clip. 444 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:19.440 It's sometimes funny that people tell me things that I 445 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:23.599 myself even thought, know, you know, sure, yeah you. 446 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:28.599 Can imagine that because we had a lot of different varieties. 447 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:32.200 And yeah, for us, it's different than then for for 448 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:36.440 the collectors. You know, it's really but I really like 449 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.079 it to hear that a lot of people are still 450 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.400 trying to find the roots from cannabis, you know, because 451 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:51.400 it's basically it's basically even Neville of course a little 452 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.640 bit more than we did. And and because he was 453 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:58.319 really the first one and he we were the second ones, 454 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:04.039 and it's all heads for Neville. He's not anymore with 455 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:05.200 us any you know. 456 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:07.559 Yeah, I was friends with him. 457 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:12.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a pity. But the nice thing 458 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:15.519 is also that we we we we got some of 459 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.319 his last work in clone form. 460 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:19.880 Yeah, we have the Outback Hayes. 461 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.480 Okay, that's the one he made in Australia when he 462 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:24.480 lived in Australia. 463 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.400 Yeah, can get Ian made all those for him? 464 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:28.799 Oh yeah, I don't know. 465 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was one of my good friends. 466 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:31.880 We were all working together during that. 467 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.160 Time, okay, okay, yeah yeah. 468 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.839 And then we also go have the hate she um 469 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.680 hm oh nice, yeah, yeah, it's and we have also 470 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:47.640 the Annal five times had the real the clone that 471 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.720 he he selected him from a lot of plans. 472 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:52.599 I really don't know. 473 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.319 Oh so like that is, I think it's the A 474 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:55.599 five or five A. 475 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.759 Five No, no, no, no, no, what the A five 476 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.319 and five we all have? 477 00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but because the thing. 478 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.559 I'm from a London in the south of Hollander, there's 479 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.599 a group of people who still have all those things, 480 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:18.119 and they yeah, and and and in the hate world, 481 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.720 it's still a little bit nobody owns this. 482 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.839 You know, yeah, of course, yeah, people think they do. 483 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.839 This is like we are like. 484 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.119 Activists, you know, we we think. I I don't believe 485 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.720 in owning screens and. 486 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:40.559 Owning absolutely I agree. 487 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.680 Not everybody agrees with this, but no. 488 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:45.160 Not everybody does agree with that. 489 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:46.720 Of course. 490 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:50.599 And I of course when somebody puts a lot of 491 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:54.000 effort in him breathing a strain or working a strain 492 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:57.799 like many years, then he can then I consider it 493 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:58.839 that he owns it. 494 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.680 Yeah, correct if it if it's if it's long, bread 495 00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:03.920 and selected and a lot of working into it. 496 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.240 Right now, gorilla glue is going after everyone. 497 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.359 Yeah, and also at the point, but when somebody is 498 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:15.720 selling in a seat bank a regular seat. Yeah, then 499 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.039 I own it that well, if he sells it, I think. 500 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.759 Yeah, exactly if you're buying it, if you're buying the genetics. 501 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.920 Right, yeah, because if you don't want to sell the genetics, 502 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.319 you have to feminize it or whatever. 503 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.640 And even then, I mean, if someone feminizes your your feminize. 504 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.160 Seeds, then you're just ask it out of luck because 505 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:33.799 you've sold it. 506 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:34.440 Yeah. 507 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:39.000 Yeah, So so I'm not really busy in protecting the genetics. 508 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:44.480 And and then maybe because I also want to ask 509 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:49.559 you questions of course, yeah, because do you see do 510 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.200 you see things happening in the States like that people 511 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.720 are trying to protect strains or genetics. 512 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.799 Yeah, people are trying to patent feminization techniques that they 513 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.359 had nothing to do with creating. People are trying to 514 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.240 patent strains as quickly as they can, trademark strain names 515 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:08.599 like tochikush. 516 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.720 But but but names. It's different things because. 517 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.359 Yeah, but the plant varieties, we can't plant patent them yet. 518 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.880 But there are many people at the forefront of that 519 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.279 trying to get it the second that it happens, and 520 00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:22.039 it'll be a problem, it will definitely be. 521 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:27.160 How what are they trying to do then, because and 522 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:28.240 all on you have, like. 523 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.759 Because we have a lot of horticulture flowers and everything, 524 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.079 you can you can patent if you can, you can 525 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.720 own this train as long as as it is different 526 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.960 and a lot of expects than any other scrain. 527 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:43.759 Sure. 528 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:45.559 The second thing. 529 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:46.960 You have to do is you have to be able 530 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.640 to reproduce it, and that means if you have under 531 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.039 seats of this strain, all the plants. 532 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.839 Have to be the same uniforms, so ib L informed, 533 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.240 and also the next time you show them have to 534 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:01.160 be the same. Again. 535 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.480 Yeah, I don't think anyone in the US, except for 536 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:08.759 maybe CSI, Humble and a few others seven H seven 537 00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.240 seed Bank, there's only probably two or three people who 538 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.759 are capable of even producing seed lines like that let alone. 539 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:16.680 So I don't think many people are really going to 540 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.000 be getting the patents. There's some breeders up in BC 541 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:20.759 that have been doing it very seriously and big for 542 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:24.319 a long time that'll probably be looking for that in 543 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:24.960 their country. 544 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.319 Because to give you an example, if you like in 545 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.240 hold of we have a lot of big seat companies tomato. 546 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:31.759 Seats and everything. 547 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:35.400 Yeah, yeah, if you buy a kilo tomato seats you're 548 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.880 buying fifty thousand seats, and if you grow those fifty 549 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.920 thousand plants, they are all one hundred. 550 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:42.480 Percent the same. 551 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.319 Yeah, uniform UNI, and. 552 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.920 There's not one marijuana straight around that it's unit for. 553 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.960 Them, you know, No, it's and I don't know that 554 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:55.240 marijuana can be brought to uniformity because environment takes such 555 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.559 a big factor in expression. 556 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.440 Yeah, and also of course because of the multi multi, 557 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:08.079 multiple hybrids exactly. I mean, I know for sure that 558 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.440 in the cookies there is something from us. 559 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:12.119 Oh yeah, I guarantee it. 560 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.960 And for sure there is some Skirk number one in it, 561 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.319 except the screen ban always told me everything. 562 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.400 I think we know exactly what cookies is now. It's 563 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:28.319 very it's it's a simple, simple little thing. But to 564 00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:30.240 break it down to its base components, it's going to 565 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.160 be something like skunk one after any one. 566 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.920 Yeah, And I like it. I really like it. The 567 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:37.880 smell and the taste, and I really. 568 00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.000 Want to say, good work guys who did to the 569 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:42.799 guys who did it. 570 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:44.039 It was an accident. 571 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.440 But it is of course difficult to make this uniform 572 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.559 because in the cookies, let's say the cookies that are 573 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.079 maybe like twenty five different varieties. 574 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:55.759 Oh yeah, easy, easy, sure. 575 00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:59.359 And those like the skunk number one is all is 576 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:05.240 already those already have like five yeah right in it. 577 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:07.880 Yes, And then you bring in more parents with all 578 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.720 their backgrounds and grandparents, and. 579 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:16.880 Then it's the hybridization is like there are one million swings. 580 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.559 Yeah, I think exactly. 581 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:21.559 I try to keep it to the when in my work, 582 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.240 I like to keep it to a baseline like a 583 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.559 bass afghany or a base something. 584 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.160 Like that, you know, and cross it to it may 585 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.079 be a polyhybrid. 586 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.640 So it brings that down dramatically, you know, like it's 587 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.759 easier to breed and line breed from it into life. 588 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.759 And the super City seats, we are not really putting 589 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:43.519 putting a lot. 590 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:49.000 Of efforts in and in breeding and everything because sure, 591 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.440 what we like is when I buy seats, I like 592 00:32:53.480 --> 00:33:00.400 to do pheno hunting. Yeah, and pheno hunting. Yeah, that's 593 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.359 a nice thing. When we make a cross with our race, 594 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.000 then you will find a lot of different things and 595 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.519 one of the plants is really something special, you know. 596 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.440 Oh sure, and that's what that's what what I like. 597 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:19.079 And did the big LPs, Yeah, they want they tried 598 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.720 to sell to buy seas and then they think, then 599 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.720 we have a uniform group. But I always tell them 600 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.920 police man do pheno hunting and I look for a 601 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.400 nice mother and grew from there. 602 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:34.559 Yeah, because I have I have a quick question for you. 603 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.319 There's been some myths and stories over the years. One 604 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.519 of the stories that came up recently and someone made 605 00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.400 a seed company off of was UH saying that they 606 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.319 were breeding for you in Virginia to make your skunk one. 607 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:51.319 No, that's not true. 608 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.079 That's not true. I didn't think it was true, but 609 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:54.279 I had to ask because it's. 610 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.920 One of the thing that is Sam the skring Man. 611 00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.000 He made the screwing number one, and he made him 612 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.920 made it in California, and he was really the first 613 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.240 guy in the world to UH, to to grow in 614 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:11.159 a big greenhouse and to do real to do real breathing, 615 00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:15.119 you know. And and then basically the Scoot number one, 616 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.639 the original one is there are basically two phenotypes and 617 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.559 one with the with the pointed B and one with 618 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.840 the round. And the smell and the taste, they were 619 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:32.559 all really quite uniform. And that was his work. And 620 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:37.400 in all and in those days, all the breathing was 621 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.679 done with Skoot number. 622 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:39.719 One because. 623 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:47.039 Big but and it was really it's it's scoot number 624 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:51.079 one in the eighties and nineties was in every plant. 625 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:55.800 Can we ask you the history on Beatrice choice, because 626 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.519 again you brought it up earlier and it's one that 627 00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:59.639 people like, Is there a certain history on it? 628 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:00.239 No? 629 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.079 Not really. The only thing is a bit. But to 630 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:07.159 be honest, I really I even don't remember. There's been 631 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:11.400 a long time. The course that we made. We made. 632 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.000 The only thing is that we remember. 633 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.280 We why we put the name on it that that 634 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.440 that's what what I what was the name from? Yeah, 635 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.320 because Beatrix is the queen of Holland, and so we 636 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.039 thought in those days, like you like your tea shirt, man, 637 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.159 we were like this in those days. In those days, 638 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.960 and we had one Victor Barn Do you know Victor 639 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.320 b Yeah. Yeah, that's a nice story to tell because 640 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:41.559 in those days we had in Holland and Lockhat Affair 641 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:45.760 and the lock Hit that was like the company who 642 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.360 built airplanes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the lock Hit. 643 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:51.199 So our the. 644 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.079 Husband of our queen was Prince Bernard, and he was 645 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.239 he was like a naughty guy. He was doing he 646 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.360 had a lot of different wives and he was doing 647 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:07.199 a lot of different things, and he made he made 648 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.079 a deal with lock Heat and he said, I will 649 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.239 make sure that the Dutch government is going to buy 650 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:13.119 your airplanes. 651 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.000 You have to pay me ten million dollar for this 652 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:18.639 and lok. 653 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.719 He he did that, but he has this this Prince 654 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.760 Bernard had to use a fake name to open a 655 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.440 bank account to put the to let Lock. 656 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:31.280 He put this. 657 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.119 Ten million dollar on his bank account and he used 658 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:35.480 the fake name Victor Bard. 659 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:37.760 Oh that's funny. I didn't know that. 660 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.320 So that's was like a little bit like this with them. 661 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.079 You know, I love that you're telling you that we 662 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.159 can't go with Are you doing these kind of things? 663 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:54.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm very I'm I'm very politically active here. 664 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:59.599 Our government is very especially in California. Certain areas of California, 665 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.840 you're still very illegal. Like a lot of people don't 666 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.199 know that, Like they think California, they think legal state. 667 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.039 I'm in a part of California that's the Bible Belt. 668 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:11.000 So despite any laws, our county has overridden the laws. 669 00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:13.639 And if you get caught growing, you're fucked. You go 670 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.440 to fucking jail, you're done, you know. So we're still 671 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.800 very politically if you're trying to fight a lot of that. 672 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.719 Everything's still done very clandestine, black market in most of 673 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:23.840 the states. 674 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.639 Okay, yeah, I know, I know, I know. 675 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.039 I'm very good friends with the people for Hamble Seats. 676 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.440 Oh yeah, and they always tell me, Man, everybody thinks 677 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.480 it's legal, but it's still it's it's not legal at all. 678 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.079 Yeah, it's scary, scary in some places. 679 00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:41.679 Yeah. 680 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.559 So now for me, the circle is a little bit 681 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.559 wrong because I started this thing more or less, and 682 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:50.519 now I'm very happy that that I'm part of the 683 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:52.159 group that got to permit to grow. 684 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:53.119 Legal in Hollands. You know. 685 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.880 Yeah, for me, it's like, uh, the circle is wrong. 686 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.440 All right. So what you just saw there was you 687 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.039 saw the first part of our interview with Correl from 688 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.639 Super Sativa Seed Club. Matt I wasn't unable to make it, 689 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.320 and so Matt did the first one. We had a 690 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.440 series of follow up questions and ideas, and so Correll 691 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.000 was kind enough to come back and chat with us again. 692 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.000 It's possible this might be ongoing, but for now we 693 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.400 have a two part series. So the first was Matt, 694 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.239 the second will be primarily me, although Matt might be 695 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.679 in it for a minute, and after that we'll have 696 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.320 some commentary where we talk about what we learned and 697 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:55.840 what we were excited about hearing Matt and and a 698 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.920 lot of others. You know, we read, we read the catalogs, 699 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.000 We talk and talk about various things. But we're all 700 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:08.599 a little younger to have actually experienced like basically you 701 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:13.039 and the seed Bank kind of starting off like oh 702 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:17.320 that's one okay, kind of like you know, you, you 703 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:20.039 and Neville at the seed Bank, you two kind of 704 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.719 started off what we consider to be like the modern 705 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:30.000 seed era. Right like before you we were really curious 706 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:35.880 as to like certain questions. You know, for instance, you 707 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.199 know you you mentioned before when did you when did 708 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.280 you first start seeing like Americans come in and bringing 709 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.400 their seed lines like Skunk one and and the Durban 710 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.719 or afghany one or these different things. 711 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:55.559 Yes, we started in eighty five. 712 00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:02.360 And yeah, one year or so, this Sam, the Skreing Man, 713 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.960 he came to Holland to live in Holland. And yeah, 714 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:10.679 he wrote a letter because we were running an ad 715 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:15.800 an advertisement in High Times magazine and Neville and the 716 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.679 Seat Bank did it as well. So Sam told that 717 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.639 when I go to Holland, I let's who copied those 718 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:28.039 two guys, and let's talk about seats. And I told 719 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.280 met the last time in those bays, we didn't have 720 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:37.239 much seats. The only seats we had were from from 721 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.599 backs of cheats maybe that we bought at the coffee shops, 722 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.159 and it was all Sativa's. 723 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.039 And so basically, Sam the skreing Man. 724 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.920 Brought all the seats from the US to Amsterdam, and 725 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:56.079 of course the next one was Robert o' clark and 726 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.639 a friend of Sam screwing Man. 727 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.119 And after the a few more came. 728 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.280 And the nice thing about it is the seats came 729 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.280 from the US to Amsterdam. 730 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.960 Then we started to send it to the US again. 731 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.639 And now it's again that we u looking to the 732 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.079 US to buy seats again from from you guys. It's 733 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.199 we were first more liberal than you were, yah, and 734 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:32.400 eighty five that it never has been legal let go 735 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.480 in Holland. 736 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.840 But in eighty five in those. 737 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.880 In the beginning, no, there's not a lot of people 738 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:45.480 that knew about cannabis, and so basically we had we 739 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.920 could do what we want because nobody knew about it, 740 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.480 and nobody even. 741 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.960 The police didn't really take They let they let us 742 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:56.960 do what we wanted to do. You know, it's it's 743 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.079 an empterdam. There were a few more. We're not brining. 744 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.719 Of course he was really the first one with the 745 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:09.880 seed bank, but he didn't it's international. It was for 746 00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.840 Holland and he was really Yeah, he's older than me 747 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:20.079 as well. And he yeah, he also added the first 748 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.280 the coffee shop in the first gross shop is it 749 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.840 the posit products the positor, and then the coffee shop 750 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:34.199 is the mellow yellow. And he's still around. He invented 751 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.960 more or less not a Rick Simpson oil, but yeah, 752 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:44.119 I don't know. He calls it Madie weed Maddy wheat oil. 753 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.800 And yeah, he has a good He really does a 754 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:53.119 lot of good work because he basically introduced to the 755 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.800 Dutch patients how to make your own oil. 756 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.599 He wants to teach the people how to do it. 757 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.960 He wants that everybody is an independent and independent from pharmaceuticals. 758 00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.360 You need to make your own medicine. I don't fully 759 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:14.800 agree with it. Yes, really he's still around. 760 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.440 And come back to the question, Sam the screaming man, 761 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.719 he's nearly the man who brought everything to Amsterdam. 762 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:27.280 Really, did you have any interactions with keys hawker from 763 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:28.039 Loveland seeds. 764 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:34.159 No, no, no, he's how could he's older already? Yeah, no, no, 765 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:40.280 no no, because the thing is they they tried to 766 00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.480 push the as we call it. 767 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:47.519 The native basically growing your own backyard. And we were more. 768 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.159 We thought the church is called the brain into wet 769 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.639 and let's go indoors because we we we saw it. 770 00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.760 We saw it happening in the US, and we were 771 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.039 we were readers of High Times magazine. We were lucky 772 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:10.840 enough to having the American Bookstore in the so we 773 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.960 went there every month to buy the newest copy. So 774 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.199 we were sure what what in America was going on. 775 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:25.199 And that's more or less how we started for US. 776 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.480 Skunk one and Haze and those type of things are 777 00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.320 very very famous strains, and they kind of became like 778 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.400 the backbone of what you guys were doing over there. 779 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.159 For a while. He was a like to those things. 780 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:37.840 At first. 781 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.280 We were very happy, especially with with the scrinkl run, 782 00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.119 because we were not used to see these kind of 783 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:52.440 big bits and stable genetics because yeah, you can imagine 784 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:59.400 if you grow outdoors and all shativa strain from the Ecuador, Yeah, 785 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.480 it doesn't f it flowers in December, and in December 786 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.079 it's cold and rain and snow, so we didn't see 787 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:10.880 we never ever had seen even the buds, you know. Yeah, 788 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:14.480 so this was a big game change. And when he 789 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.840 came with his uh stuff and especially the skill number 790 00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.400 one and the Hayes, he gave us ten seats, the 791 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.960 last seat he saved from his favorite variety, and he 792 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.719 gave the other ten seats to Neville. And yeah, we 793 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.119 didn't pay too much attention to the Hayes because it 794 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:37.000 was long flowering and only very very small bitch, and 795 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.440 it was really we were so happy with the Skoo 796 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.880 number one that we almost forgot about the hate. Luckily enough, 797 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:48.519 we made crosses between the Skoot number one and Hayes, Yeah, 798 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:55.079 because we had ten plans and yeah two two times 799 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.239 we were vested by the police and they took all 800 00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.639 our hazes and we had only one left. 801 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.360 Even I don't know anymore. 802 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.199 If it was if it was a boy or a girl, 803 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:09.320 but you already made the seats with the screen number one, 804 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.280 and I still have a lot of seats that we 805 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.880 made between crosses between our ten hases. 806 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.599 I tried to germinate it, and it really doesn't work. Anymore. 807 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:29.360 The problem was I kept them outside the refrigerator for 808 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:33.440 ten years. I put them in a refrigerator and now 809 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.199 I still have them. 810 00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:40.119 So maybe it'd be some of your listeners culture. 811 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.000 Because in my opinion, the seat when there's only one 812 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.800 sell a live still. Basically you could reproduce it. But 813 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.559 if the government, I don't think they want to help 814 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:59.039 us with it. If they find in a seat of 815 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:04.360 a wheat in a pyramid in Egypt, yeah we'll make 816 00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:08.000 sure that this is going to work again. Yeah, but 817 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.679 with cannabis seeds, I still we still have to finds. 818 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.360 But who can help us? Because I think the even 819 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.800 you know what I mean, culture from alive somewhere in 820 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.880 those seeds still, and of course it would be nice 821 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.800 to germinate it. I gave it to a few people 822 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.239 who were called, well, we will manage because I know 823 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:29.800 how to do it. 824 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:35.519 But yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, but that's a pity 825 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.599 of course. And I have to come back to your 826 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:38.960 Urban poison. 827 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:40.440 Yeah. 828 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.760 In those days we had an Amsterdam coffee shop. 829 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:47.079 It was called the Urban Poison and the only thing 830 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.000 they sold was weat from South Africa. 831 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.039 I don't remember the names anymore, but the major thing. 832 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.800 They sold urban poison, and so I mean we had 833 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.079 quite a few crosses, you know, our first catalog with 834 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.760 Dirman Piss because we bought we bought eat from them 835 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:11.159 and we picked up seats. And together with skunk number one, 836 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.199 all the crosses, all the crosses with skunk number one 837 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:21.000 gave us more early flowering, bigger and a nice smell. 838 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:28.880 So it was basically uh winter combinations. Even the screw number. 839 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:32.079 One, well do you remember what any of the smell 840 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.679 profiles of the different number ones that you popped back 841 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:35.960 in the day were like, yeah. 842 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.519 The the the skirt number one was really like the 843 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.519 name tell the name taels at all it stinks. 844 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.840 So back then it actually smelled like scums like North America. 845 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.960 I really, to be honest, I never have smell smell 846 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:50.000 the spring any mill. 847 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:55.320 But it was more about that it was so strong. 848 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:56.599 It was really strong. You know. 849 00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:01.119 Yeah, in my hate that I have, you can still 850 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:06.639 smell in the back you smell the skunk, the strong 851 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.440 smell of the screw number one. And together with with 852 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.400 with the hazy to the like, there's a lot that 853 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.880 the old school haze is very freaky plant because if 854 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:20.800 you make an analysis of it, there is all. 855 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.760 There's only a proof sheme, that's the only urpin that's 856 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:25.199 in it. 857 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:26.760 Yeah, and not. 858 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:27.920 Too much as well. 859 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.400 But if you smoke it, it's really distructed smell and 860 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:32.920 taste that I. 861 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:34.159 Have ever seen in wheat. 862 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:40.280 Yeah, that's a big mister, and I'll know it about turpines. 863 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:42.880 How is it possible that the plant with only one 864 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.559 ur and not a lot of it can smell so 865 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.119 strong and taste so strong? 866 00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:50.559 Yeah? Do you know the answer? I don't know. 867 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:51.360 I don't know. 868 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.360 So basically, when you first got it, it was skunk 869 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.679 number one was an early finishing big bud, very pretty. 870 00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.480 It smelled like skunk. Did it smell like did it 871 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.360 smell like citrus too? It was there? 872 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.639 No, no, no, no not at all, No no, no, 873 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.880 it was more the dark side of the like the earth, the. 874 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:14.440 Woody. 875 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.360 Yes, yes it was not no, no no, no, not 876 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.760 any sweetness, no, not any any SATs in it. 877 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.719 Because what we're familiar with as as younger people is 878 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.440 skunk number one smells like floral. It smells sweet, it 879 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:34.119 smells So you're saying that what what Sam brought over 880 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.920 first is very different than what ended up being common 881 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:38.840 in Europe later. 882 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.159 Yes, the ideah because skret number one and there are 883 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:48.519 still a lot of seats bank around and they they 884 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:52.039 think or they they know. I don't know that they 885 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.480 that they still have scooted number one, but that there 886 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.320 is no scoo number one anymore. 887 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.480 Did the only scoot number one that is around. 888 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.679 It's very deluded, nothing to compare with with with the skunk. 889 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:06.719 Number one anywhere. 890 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:11.719 Maybe maybe when the screwing mena this is a he 891 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.559 tells that I'm wrong, but I have never seen it. 892 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.039 There is there is no scoon. There is no real 893 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.800 skook number one anymore around. 894 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:24.079 That's interesting because when he went there he gave seeds 895 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:27.039 to you, He gave some seeds to Neville. It sounds 896 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:31.159 like he gave some seeds to Bernard from Positronics Mellow Yellow. 897 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:35.239 What was the what was the little was the community 898 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:39.239 in Amsterdam? Then? Did everyone know each other? Yes? 899 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.039 The thing is we didn't live in Amsterdam. We still 900 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.039 don't be live in Amsterdam. And there wasn't The Ampsterdam 901 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:52.760 scene was more about outdoor growing and then and and 902 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.360 and and we we I think we were the first 903 00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.840 ones in Holland to grow indoors and and when Sam 904 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.199 teached a lot of people how to grow in a greenhouse. 905 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.519 And since Sam arrived and hold On, the people started 906 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:12.079 to grow in greenhouses because you could do it without 907 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:16.719 a lot of trouble, because nobody knew about how it 908 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.760 smells and how it looks. And basically the first five 909 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.480 years that Sam was around, a lot of greenhouse growing 910 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.119 was going on, and he basically teached everybody and all 911 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:29.960 how to do it. 912 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:33.320 And we didn't grow in a greenhouse because in. 913 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:37.000 Our opinion, we thought better to do it there was 914 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:38.519 nobody can see it than nowhere. 915 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:39.840 It's more safe to do it. 916 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.280 But because at the end of the day, all the 917 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.480 all the greenhouses were always always bursted. They could do 918 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:52.360 one club maybe second group was alround. Because hold On 919 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.960 is a small country and there is no countryside at all. 920 00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:00.519 The greenhouses are always close to a village, close to 921 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.559 a town with a lot of people around all a 922 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.039 lot of people living once mind. 923 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.119 Half the country. It seems like you reclaimed from the sea, 924 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:15.079 you know. 925 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:16.440 Uh So. 926 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.880 Besides Hayes and skunk, what else did you get from Sam? 927 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.199 Uh? You know? We we did not get anything else. 928 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.440 Neville he get he got like early. 929 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.880 Pearl, early Pearl from rob b. 930 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.320 Yeah, early Pearl and a few other ones. 931 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.039 But also we were not we were not too much 932 00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:45.960 in touch with Neville because the Neville's approach was different. 933 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:46.440 Than our approach. 934 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:53.199 We were underground people and we were not really too 935 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.719 fun to to receive a lot of people we don't 936 00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.760 know in our house. And then and in those days 937 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:04.000 and Devel had the the Canabis Castle, and everybody more 938 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.920 or less was welcome over that, and especially when you 939 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.000 came with a lot of money to buy seats. 940 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:11.079 Everybody was welcome. 941 00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:18.679 And we were always more like, let's let's try to 942 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:23.079 keep it underground, and let's let's try to do it 943 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.800 and in a more more or less safe way, because 944 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.880 we were we didn't want to get cold, and we 945 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.760 wanted to the one in this business for forever. 946 00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:33.679 You know. 947 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.400 And Neville was more of that devil than he was 948 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:41.840 like I don't know who came to his house anymore. 949 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:43.760 I I really don't know. 950 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.079 If he knew. 951 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.800 I think so, yeah, because a lot of Americans in 952 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.440 those days, they came to them, to them, and everybody 953 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:52.960 was welcome. 954 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:58.519 Never space we were more careful. 955 00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:03.239 To Besides am where were some other sources. And then 956 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.320 the previous conversation you had with Matt, you told that 957 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.360 a lot of stuff you got you were getting off 958 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.559 seeds from buds out of coffee shops. Were there any 959 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:16.639 other people or sources once you started making Super Sativa 960 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.440 Seed Club? Were people coming to find you? And trace. 961 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.639 They were? They were coming to but they couldn't find this? 962 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:29.239 Okay? 963 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.280 The only the only one who who could find this 964 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:40.119 was uh and George Vantis and and the the chief 965 00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:41.960 and that five times. 966 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.880 Steve step of course. 967 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And. 968 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.079 Those were the only three people who told us this 969 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.480 because we were really like we knew what we were, 970 00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.480 We understood what we were doing, you know. 971 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.960 So then that that leads me to another question. In 972 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.440 your catalog, you have something called Oakland, Indica. Yeah, and 973 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.360 I'm just curious as to where that where you got 974 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.000 that or where it came from. 975 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:14.000 You know, I. 976 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:18.119 Don't know it because a few times because we had 977 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:21.239 a lot of clients, of course, and we received a 978 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.360 lot of letters in those days, and a few times 979 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.800 people sent us seats, but not only a few times. 980 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:33.960 And I think because Oakland, that it was somebody from Oakland, 981 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.880 because in those days we got like a hundred letters 982 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.199 every day, you know, and it was really fun. 983 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:43.519 For us to read all those letters. And also we. 984 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:50.760 We asked people to help us to to distribute the 985 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:54.039 seats in the US, and we were just reading the 986 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.000 letters and we thought, oh, this guy is a nice 987 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.800 guy because he understands how it works. 988 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.639 And so there was a really. 989 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:04.960 Nice job for me to read all these letters and 990 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:08.960 to answer them as well, because maybe even nowadays, you 991 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:12.039 still get letters from people from from all days and 992 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:13.519 they said a nice to see. 993 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:17.000 You back, and do you remember that? We WoT isn't 994 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:22.199 that from you? Of course, that's really really funny. 995 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.440 And when we started again a few years ago, we 996 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:29.519 got a letter from somebody and he says, now, yeah, 997 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.199 nowadays mother nature is legal in the US. 998 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:34.519 And that we really thought. 999 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.719 A guy who writes a letter and says modern nature 1000 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:39.400 is legal. 1001 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:42.440 Now, you know, it used. 1002 00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.800 To be illegal, but now we are happy that it's legal, 1003 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.920 and that those were the letters that we really liked, 1004 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:49.840 the people who understood. 1005 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:53.199 How crazy it is to make mother nature illegal. 1006 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.119 Yeah it is wild. 1007 00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.800 Yeah, what you got about the Durban high flyer, Now 1008 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:02.920 that was one of your most famous lines. Uh, we 1009 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:04.719 still see it around the day. Do you have any 1010 00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:05.599 memories surrounding it. 1011 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:11.039 Yeah, that's this was a very satifa, pure satifa, of course. 1012 00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.800 And also because of Durban is so in the south 1013 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.199 of the world that is almost in the same latitude 1014 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:19.760 then Holland. 1015 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:19.880 This. 1016 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:24.159 But then so the flowering times they are more or 1017 00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:28.039 less the same than our flowering time because we our 1018 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:33.480 our harvest. Our autumn starts in September. Yeah, and then 1019 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:38.400 also the the winter, the harvest that's getting coold. So 1020 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.880 we were lucky to have the urban flowering so early. 1021 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.239 The Durban was a very was the is the one 1022 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.079 sativa that's sort of an early finisher. Yeah, so it 1023 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:50.639 worked well in Holland. 1024 00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.239 Yes, and and and and and the combination with. 1025 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.519 A bit of tie because the tie is a very 1026 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:56.519 very late flowering. 1027 00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:01.880 Yeah. And then then it's finished show like half October 1028 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:02.400 or something. 1029 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.760 And that's nice for us, of course because in October 1030 00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.440 sometimes when you're lucky, the weather is still good. 1031 00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:08.920 Yeah. 1032 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.400 But but o our main customers in the US, where 1033 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:17.760 were the people from California, The viet veterans, people that 1034 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:22.000 back from Vietnam. They started to do the really farming, 1035 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.920 and they really they made money with it as well. 1036 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.159 So they did. Did they send us a nice amount 1037 00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:32.559 of money? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. 1038 00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:37.599 Well, I mean from our perspective, you know, back then, 1039 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.679 especially Indicas and things like that were pretty rare. And 1040 00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:47.199 even though California and America there was there was you know, 1041 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:49.400 there was a lot of things going on. People didn't 1042 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.360 know each other. So really, like one of the most 1043 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:56.239 interesting things about what happened with you guys for us 1044 00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.159 is that, you know, like you are saying before, a 1045 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:03.079 bunch of stuff flowed from America over the amps over 1046 01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:08.079 to Holland. Yeah, and went everywhere in America. It went 1047 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.280 to the South, that went to the North, New York, 1048 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:10.760 it went to. 1049 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.559 The and that was our goal. That was our goal. 1050 01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:18.400 That's why we did this because we thought in those days, yeah, 1051 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:23.480 there's no internet, so your your your friends lived close 1052 01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.920 to you in the same town, so you can swap 1053 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:30.920 sweets with your friends, but it doesn't spread the whole country, 1054 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.920 you know. And then since we were starting, we got 1055 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:40.559 letters from everywhere Alaska, Texas, whatever. And then so we thought, 1056 01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:45.400 when all the refrigerators in the States are filled with seats, 1057 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.079 it's a difficult thing to stop it. 1058 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:49.519 And there's this movement. 1059 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.079 What about the what about your what about the creeper 1060 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:54.880 or the kyber Pass. 1061 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:58.039 Yeah, the the creeper, the creeper, we called it the 1062 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:03.119 creeper because it was really the plant was not upright, 1063 01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:04.960 but it was laying down more or less. 1064 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.440 Oh that's why I always assumed it was the high, 1065 01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:09.280 but it was. 1066 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.559 No, no, no, no, no, it was not. It was 1067 01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:12.400 not about the high. 1068 01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:17.280 It was really about the more logic aspects of the 1069 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.679 of the of the plant. Because normally a plant is 1070 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.159 like more or less like a Christmas treet, but this 1071 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.400 one was like bending over and laying down, you know. 1072 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:32.719 And I still like this kind of plant plants because 1073 01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:37.239 they gave you a big harvest, yea room for buds, 1074 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:42.039 you know, and h and then the the ki that 1075 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:47.920 was becrossed with in Afghani. I think because of Afghani 1076 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:53.000 and all that will be the Hush from Afghanistan was 1077 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:58.320 really very popular. And I don't know where because she's 1078 01:01:58.320 --> 01:01:58.599 from that. 1079 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.559 You guys ever grow flowers for coffee shops or did 1080 01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:03.880 you just focus on seeds? 1081 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.800 Yes, yes, yes, yeah yeah yeah because we did. We 1082 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:11.599 were growing for the coffee shops as well. Yeah yeah, 1083 01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:15.599 because they liked our indoor wheat because it was quite. 1084 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:21.880 It was new, and in those days, we we were 1085 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.440 worrying a little bit about the fact that our wheat 1086 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:30.400 was green because people they were used to to buy 1087 01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:35.519 marijuana was always brown, so half rotten wheat as we 1088 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:42.079 call it now, and our indoor marijuana was green. So 1089 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.719 we thought, oh, nobody's going to buy this because they 1090 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:49.280 don't because green. The only green marijuana we knew was 1091 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.559 that it was the native wheat and that was the 1092 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:55.519 wheat that we grew in our backyard and they didn't 1093 01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:57.840 have birds. It was only leaves and it was green. 1094 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:02.679 So we were afraid that people thought our wheat was 1095 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:04.400 neither beat. 1096 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:07.239 So we tried to make it. 1097 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:11.440 We tried to make it brown to to to be 1098 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:14.639 able to to to sell it. But after a few 1099 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.559 and I don't know, maybe after a year, everybody, no, no, no, 1100 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:21.360 the green ones is the best one is much better 1101 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:22.599 than than the brown. 1102 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.360 Man no mind, don't worry about the color. Will we 1103 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:26.880 buy it anyway? 1104 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:31.199 So yeah, that was really that was a really funny 1105 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.880 thing that he really peop were really worried about the 1106 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:34.440 green corp. 1107 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.480 It really worried because it was so because The part 1108 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.760 about that is that everything was so new. 1109 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:42.840 Yeah, yeah, that's what knew. It was new. 1110 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.480 And the first since the milion that I saw in 1111 01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:52.000 Holland that was somebody. And then one year we have 1112 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.480 we were lucky enough to have a good September in Holland. 1113 01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:59.400 Normally it's raining in September already, but in. 1114 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:01.760 This September there was a lot of sun. 1115 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:05.440 So in the coffee shop where I worked, somebody came 1116 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:10.400 with a garbage bag full of big birds and they 1117 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.800 were not primmed at all, and I thought, where does 1118 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.679 this come from? Because we really didn't. It was the 1119 01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.760 first time we saw a green tig bud plant. But 1120 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.960 this was also I think a durban poison or something 1121 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.079 that he was lucky to grow some urban poison seeds 1122 01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:32.119 in a year that we had a very good, nice September, 1123 01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:37.559 so the plant was to finish, and that was really 1124 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.679 the first time that I saw sin Sinzemdjia. 1125 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.159 That's because of that, it's been. 1126 01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.400 You got into weed was by working in a coffee shop. 1127 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.800 Yes, I worked in a coffee shop when I was 1128 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:52.000 like eighteen years and nineteen years old, and then one 1129 01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:55.440 of the our customers came to me and he said, 1130 01:04:55.480 --> 01:05:02.039 I I am I. I'm a reader of High Times magazine, 1131 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.679 and I saw how they grew, how they grow plants 1132 01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:08.760 already because at Rosendhal was one of the first to 1133 01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.000 start all days, I think in the US. And this 1134 01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:17.480 guy said, I bought a metal headlines lamp because we 1135 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.480 have a big horticulture center here in all of and 1136 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.280 in those days, the greenhouse grower they they used it 1137 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.880 to grow the metal airlines. And he went there to 1138 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:31.599 buy a lamp and he said, I want to grow 1139 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.519 and I want to start to use it. And I thought, 1140 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.480 I live in the spot house and let's do it. 1141 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:42.599 So that's how it started. Because this guy, he didn't 1142 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.039 he was a reader of High Times magazine. Saved in 1143 01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:49.400 High Times, so we knew. 1144 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:53.599 So most of most of Super Sativa Seed Club's work 1145 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.280 was all done indoors, whether you were growing buds for 1146 01:05:57.400 --> 01:05:59.800 coffee shops or whether you were making seed for. 1147 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:02.079 Your Yes, yeah we did. 1148 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.119 We did everything, kept it inside. 1149 01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:09.920 Yeah, And that was all because of Yeah we did. 1150 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:11.119 It was too cold. 1151 01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.480 It's too cold, and you know, and in a greenhouse 1152 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:15.960 it's the holand is too crowded to grow in a greenhouse, 1153 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.440 and it's no. 1154 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:21.239 Everybody got caught always in the greenhouse. 1155 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.559 And were growing is did you have garages? Were you 1156 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:28.800 growing in bedrooms? 1157 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:32.679 We had garages and we bought it. 1158 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:34.760 At one point we bought a house, especially with the 1159 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:38.960 lud and the no no, and I know those we 1160 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:44.679 were scuoters. You know what sculters are. Yes, And if 1161 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:46.159 you are a scoter, you always have a house. 1162 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:47.840 Yeah. 1163 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:51.199 So you you squatted in the house and then you 1164 01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:53.239 set up some lights, and you set up some rooms 1165 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:55.519 to do breeding and grow weed, and you sold the 1166 01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:58.880 weed to the coffee shops and you sold seeds catalog. 1167 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:00.280 Yeah. 1168 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:05.159 Yeah, And we were squat but we earned a lot 1169 01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:06.679 of money. 1170 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:09.320 That's very cool. 1171 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.360 Yeah, but you we're not in it for the money man, 1172 01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.280 because it was nice to have money to do that. 1173 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.119 A lot of money came to us, of course, but 1174 01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:21.639 it was not really the hour and the. 1175 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:23.960 Basic thing. 1176 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:31.280 The funny thing for us is that now you know, 1177 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.280 there's so many seed companies in America and there's a 1178 01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:36.840 lot of seed company in Europe and everything like that. 1179 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:40.880 But when when you guys started and when Neville started, 1180 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:45.880 there was really only you two. Yeah, that was easy, 1181 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.159 Like you said, if you went to positronics. If you 1182 01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:51.159 went to Holland and went directly to certain coffee shops, 1183 01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:54.719 maybe you could get some seed in order to order things. 1184 01:07:55.280 --> 01:08:00.360 There was only two Yeah really, so that your your 1185 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.840 company's stuff and Nevill's company stuff got spread so far 1186 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:04.440 and wide. 1187 01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:09.519 Yeah yeah, yeah. But but when NETL stopped, Sense she 1188 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:15.000 took over, took over, and they bought basically that's how 1189 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:16.199 Sense started. 1190 01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:20.520 They bought NETLL stopped and then they started in the 1191 01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:26.359 name Sensy Seats and Ben Drunk the one that's the 1192 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:30.560 guy who started. Is this is really a big, big 1193 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.199 thanks to Ben because he was really the guy with 1194 01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:35.319 the biggest balls. 1195 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:40.920 You know, he went on very where we started, where 1196 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:41.479 we stopped. 1197 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:47.039 So do you think that did Neville sell his company 1198 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:49.840 to Ben and Allen because of the trouble he got in? 1199 01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:52.039 I think so? Yeah. 1200 01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:56.039 Did you were in the community back then? Were you 1201 01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:59.720 ever we like, was it a small enough community that 1202 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:01.479 you were close to a lot of these people? 1203 01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:05.840 Yes? Yet, But the thing is I said before, we 1204 01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:08.880 were not really we were. 1205 01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:10.720 We had our own group of people, and we were 1206 01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.000 not we we didn't live in Amsterdam, you know. 1207 01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:17.760 So so you didn't live in Amsterdam, you lived in different. 1208 01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:21.760 Yeah, yeah, we lived in the Hague. That's good, that's 1209 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:22.680 close to Amsterdam. 1210 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:24.479 But so we. 1211 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.760 We we we we tryed to be to be honest, 1212 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:31.920 we tried to stay out of all those groups. 1213 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.760 Tried to keep your head and stay quiet. 1214 01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:39.479 And yeah, yes, that's right the idea really and we 1215 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.880 were not like behaving like work stores or something. We 1216 01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:48.399 were just we were just quoted running a cannabisy business. 1217 01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:53.439 So how did how did how did like Jorge Servantes 1218 01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:57.279 and Ed Rosenthal, how did they find you? Did they you? 1219 01:09:57.399 --> 01:09:59.399 Yeah? Yeah, they centered the letter? Yeah they right, because 1220 01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.840 in those days you wrote letters to people. 1221 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:07.119 Sure, yeah, you put. 1222 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:09.359 You put the stamp on the envelope and you put 1223 01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:10.279 it in the mailbox. 1224 01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:11.039 That was. 1225 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.479 Maybe it's a good idea that we go back to 1226 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.079 this kind of communication then. 1227 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:20.960 Because nobody can listen to it. 1228 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:25.239 Yeah did they did they? Did they bring seeds to 1229 01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:26.920 or did they want to just come. 1230 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.000 Out and did No? 1231 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:34.079 But I have a nice anecdote about George Savantis because 1232 01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:37.720 he came to visit us and he asked us to 1233 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:42.239 to show around, to show to show him the Dutch 1234 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.920 greenhouse because in those days, the Dutch greenhouse today they 1235 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:50.560 were growing under a metal on the HPS lights that 1236 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:54.560 we had greenhouses with ten thousand HPS lights in it. 1237 01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:57.840 And he never he didn't ever see this, and so 1238 01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.199 we gave him a tour and he came up. He 1239 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.039 showed up in the door with a nice T shirt 1240 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.720 Kanabis Usa, California. 1241 01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.840 No, no, no, no, that's not how it goes. You 1242 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:10.560 have to put. 1243 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.199 Put on some different teachers, man, because we've done to 1244 01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:17.279 the show you around in the greenhouse of riding. 1245 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:19.960 This T shirt and said, oh, why that is legal 1246 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:22.840 in Holand, isn't it. No, no, no, it's not legal 1247 01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:26.920 at all. Everybody thinks it legal, but it's it's not legal. 1248 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:30.720 So we had to teach a little bit how to 1249 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.680 behave in Holland. 1250 01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.039 We had the same We have the same issue in 1251 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:40.399 California where I live. When medical first happened twenty years ago, 1252 01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:43.760 a lot of people thought it was legal, but it 1253 01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:46.720 really legal. It was. It was kind of like Holland, 1254 01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:50.520 it was permitted. You still get in trouble anytime. 1255 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:52.720 Yeah. 1256 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:54.720 I know a lot of people from California and they 1257 01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:57.000 still they always tell me it's still illegal, man. 1258 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.880 Yeah, yeah, it's still illegal. It was still whether or not. 1259 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.319 The cop wanted to be nice to you. They could 1260 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:05.359 you any which way they wanted. And it was kind 1261 01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:09.079 of the same about Holland I'm sure too. It all 1262 01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:10.560 depended on the attitude. 1263 01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:13.159 Yeah, yeah, And that's that's why maybe try to keep 1264 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:16.560 a little bit under granted because of TB wanted to 1265 01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.600 go out and then I wanted to I'm I'm having 1266 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:22.880 a family and everything, and that's really. 1267 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:26.920 I'm not that type of guy who wants to be 1268 01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:29.920 in the pictures me either. 1269 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:35.399 I feel you on that. So after you started breeding 1270 01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:37.600 at Supersit TV Seed Club for a while and you 1271 01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.840 realize that you got popular, did you start keeping a 1272 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.880 lot of breeding males and breeding females Like. 1273 01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:49.119 Yeah, basically like a nice collection of males and females. 1274 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.520 And in those days, we did not do the feminized 1275 01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:56.399 breeding that didn't exist yet, so it was not so 1276 01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:58.279 very difficult to breeding that we did. 1277 01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:03.199 So we we sometimes did a little bit in breeding 1278 01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:05.479 and uh, but not too much. 1279 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:08.880 It was more we we we basically did pheno hunting 1280 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:12.680 and the best ones we liked we crossed with each 1281 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:16.920 other and and everybody. 1282 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:17.359 Was happy ready to see it. 1283 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:21.119 Because for for a lot of people our customers was 1284 01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:26.439 it's either nothing or or something from Amsterdam that really 1285 01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:30.800 gives one nice flowers, nice nice boots. And then the 1286 01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.760 people sent us photos and sent us letters and they 1287 01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.680 were really uh yeah, the photos. 1288 01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:39.199 They they were really. 1289 01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:42.319 Nice photos and everybody was happy. 1290 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:43.600 It was really nice. 1291 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:48.319 How many how many people were involved in your in 1292 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:49.039 your company? 1293 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:52.399 Yeah we have We were two people too, did and 1294 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:57.439 like four or five people helping us, like a little collective. 1295 01:13:58.039 --> 01:13:59.239 Yeah yeah. 1296 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:03.880 At the biggest part of it, how many houses did 1297 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.840 you have or how many how many different places were 1298 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.319 you grown, like five. 1299 01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.600 Six different places to grow. 1300 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.479 But we did not do that because in those days 1301 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:22.720 there were also people who are really five years or so. 1302 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:24.880 A lot of people that came into. 1303 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:29.800 The they rented big warehouses and put two hundred lamps 1304 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:30.680 in it. 1305 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:31.279 But we we. 1306 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:36.159 Did it on a smaller scale because we're all we 1307 01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:39.800 were not growing that much weed were more growing seeds 1308 01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.119 in those days. 1309 01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:44.319 I mean, there's a there's a lot of you know, 1310 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:48.359 you could call them American seed companies these days that 1311 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:52.720 exist just like that. It's some basement, it's a few 1312 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:53.800 bedroom house. 1313 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I can yeah, because I see 1314 01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:59.680 a lot of people they they have some ploans and 1315 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.760 they make russes and and a new sheet company is born. 1316 01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:08.119 Yeah, your skunk has yeah really old? 1317 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:09.840 Yeah? 1318 01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:11.279 How long does it flower? 1319 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:13.560 For twelve weeks? 1320 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:17.000 And then the better do one week of thirteen weeks 1321 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:18.119 to thirteen is well? 1322 01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:23.479 And how did it? I mean thirty five years old? 1323 01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:29.399 I'm always fascinated by how things survive because for us 1324 01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:33.680 in America, it seems like every five or ten years, Uh, 1325 01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:37.920 the weed, the seed game reinvents itself and you can't 1326 01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:40.560 get what you used to be able to get. So 1327 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.199 did it did it? Was it just so such a 1328 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:47.640 nice cut and there's such a nice plant that various 1329 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.479 people saved it and passed it around. 1330 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.319 Is it something that has been always in like two 1331 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:58.159 or three places? And like you said, it was more 1332 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:00.520 like a group of people you work with. 1333 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:04.399 And yeah, it's still. 1334 01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:07.840 Around and and and we all we will let them. 1335 01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:09.560 We have our mother plant. 1336 01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:13.159 When it's like three or four months old, we take 1337 01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.560 a new cut, we throw away the old plant, and 1338 01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:20.439 we start from a bit a little clone again. And 1339 01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:23.880 a few friends of me, of my they have it. 1340 01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:26.960 And then yeah, because you can you can imagine in 1341 01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:30.840 thirty five years there are lots of things happening. Really 1342 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:34.279 we are proud of We are proud of it to 1343 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:38.680 still have it, and we are now working on trying 1344 01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:45.920 to to to breed it. We are working with a 1345 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:50.800 few American varieties because we like from those days. We 1346 01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:55.079 like the big firm but with a lot of resin, 1347 01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:01.399 but sometimes it lacks a little bit of flavor, a 1348 01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:02.760 little bit of taste and smell. 1349 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:06.039 And now we are trying to put the smell. 1350 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:10.239 Of the girls to hate and the high preferable as well, 1351 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:14.439 and the taste into a new and into the American right. 1352 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:17.399 And that takes a while, but. 1353 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:23.039 It's really interesting to see a plant that grows like 1354 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.680 a cookie or something mm hmmm, American. 1355 01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:31.479 Style and then with the old school hate, taste and smelling. 1356 01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:35.079 That's that's the thing that we are working on. And 1357 01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:40.159 maybe people some people tell, ay, why do you do this? 1358 01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:43.760 You try to keep it like it is, But I 1359 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.560 want to because at the end of the day, a 1360 01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:50.840 lot of people are on commercial these days, and it's 1361 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:55.319 nice to have a big held of course, but also 1362 01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:01.119 the fluffy but is nowadays considered like the equality. A 1363 01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:03.960 lot of people don't understand that at the end of 1364 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:07.079 the day correctly, but you put it in a paper 1365 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.279 and you smoke it, so it doesn't it isn't really 1366 01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:10.920 a big deal. 1367 01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:12.119 How the bit lose. 1368 01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:16.720 I agree, the big deal and how it. 1369 01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:23.640 Works, but you agree, and I agree. But a lot 1370 01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:27.880 of people the I also want you know, yes. 1371 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:32.359 I mean, and the way that that social media works 1372 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:34.439 now a lot of times the only things that people 1373 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:36.039 see of different buds or pictures. 1374 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:37.119 Yeah, and so. 1375 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.720 Might look very ugly, even though it might work wonderfully 1376 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.239 and make you very happy and it might take great 1377 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:46.000 you can't tell that through the picture. 1378 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:46.840 Yeah. 1379 01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:50.359 Because because now if I if you have five, like 1380 01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:55.039 five different varieties, four of them are American things, and 1381 01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:56.760 one of them is. 1382 01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:02.159 Va thing, and everybody says the Sativa things. 1383 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.520 We don't we want to we don't want to have 1384 01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:07.720 it because it looks flints for us range. 1385 01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.239 And especially because I'm sick to. 1386 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:15.640 Three early years old already so long and normally I 1387 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:19.039 think it's normal that the younger people like all the things, 1388 01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:22.680 but we also want to show things from the past. 1389 01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:27.840 I mean it, I mean, for instance, you know, it's 1390 01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:32.079 really interesting because for us, skunk one, you know, to 1391 01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:35.439 bring it back again is very very very different from 1392 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:38.880 what you experienced. I don't think I experienced Skunk one 1393 01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:42.039 like you remember it time that we got a hold 1394 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:45.479 of it. What you remember was gone. Yeah, and that 1395 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:48.239 happens a lot where if you don't have old things, 1396 01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:50.840 or people aren't saving old cuttings, or you can't get 1397 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.159 old seeds to sprout, then the way will remember something. 1398 01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:59.840 It's just gone. How long ago you get excited again 1399 01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.359 about maybe you could restart Super Sativa Seed Club in 1400 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:04.439 a new form. 1401 01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:08.960 Yeah, yeah, we already started it, but we don't sell 1402 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:13.640 in the US anymore, because those are the wile days. 1403 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:13.920 Yeah. 1404 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.479 Nowadays it's uh, it's not a good idea to sell 1405 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:18.920 something in the US from homes. 1406 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:23.880 No, not yet. It could change. We're slowly in that direction, but. 1407 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:26.039 I don't know. 1408 01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:29.680 Have you ever heard of Ditch Passion, Yes, yeah, because 1409 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:32.560 we were together with Ditch Passion the digital friends, and 1410 01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.279 they are there is really a very successful seat company, 1411 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:39.439 but they don't sell one seat in the US. And 1412 01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:41.720 if you know that half of the visitors of the 1413 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:47.159 website comes from the US. Yeah, uh, we don't sell 1414 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:52.279 one seat today, you know it. Hopefully that will change 1415 01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:56.439 in the next or so years. It looks like America. 1416 01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.439 We're complicated in the US men that those federals and 1417 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.039 uh it's really not a good idea. 1418 01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:06.720 And but maybe one. 1419 01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:10.880 Day things change and then we can because because it's 1420 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:13.079 of course greaty that half of the visitors of a 1421 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:15.279 website it comes. 1422 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.399 From the US, comes from the US. Yeah, they want 1423 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:20.000 the vices, but we don't do it. 1424 01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:27.479 Understand when uh so is is? Uh so? Basically you're 1425 01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:29.279 making stuff for the Holland market. 1426 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:32.680 Now you're you're in market for European. 1427 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:36.600 You were talking in the in the previous interview you 1428 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.439 did with Matt you were talking about how you sort 1429 01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:47.520 of like recollected some other hazes besides yeah. 1430 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:48.560 Because now I'm in a good position of course too. 1431 01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:51.840 I know a lot of people, and I know all 1432 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:54.600 the hate hats from Europe. 1433 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:58.119 You know, No, I mean you're certainly of that generation 1434 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.680 that you know, we've known these people for decades. 1435 01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:04.479 Yes, yes, and and and and then we are happy 1436 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:07.680 that a lot that the Hayes people always are the 1437 01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:11.920 people who really understand how important it is to to 1438 01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:16.760 save things. And there's still a lot of stuff around, 1439 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:21.920 you know, because we have like I have five different 1440 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:26.720 loans still and then other people. We we have the 1441 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.359 old school hates. We have the annal five times haes 1442 01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:33.600 and they have the hate C and the hate A. 1443 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:36.800 And it's not the boy as everybody thinks. 1444 01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:40.720 But because we have the girls and we have the 1445 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:45.119 outback hage, that's the last thing never made. 1446 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:49.479 So he's has the famous boy. 1447 01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:52.279 Yeah, no, no, The thing is there is a lot 1448 01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:55.600 of confusion going on always about the hases, boys and girls. 1449 01:22:56.239 --> 01:22:59.479 But what we have is the haes A and A 1450 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:04.520 C and it's votabiles and it's really yeah. And and 1451 01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.000 of course you have the A five and C five. 1452 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:11.720 I personally don't have it, but my friends have it. 1453 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:13.800 Then it's really but when we want to use it 1454 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:15.439 to make a cross or something, we can have it. 1455 01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:19.520 But it's a group of people and everybody knows each other. 1456 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:21.079 It's from the South. 1457 01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:25.079 But when you when you're talking about the girls that 1458 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:28.199 are A and C, you're not talking about A five 1459 01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:31.479 or C five. You're talking about different there's different plans. 1460 01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:38.479 Yeah, yeah, and it's really the especially the ace, the 1461 01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:38.960 one I. 1462 01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:43.000 Like best is the outbreack, the outback here, Yeah, because the. 1463 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:47.039 Outback hege is really the incense smell and it has 1464 01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:52.640 the incense smell and it's it makes you high, totally high. 1465 01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:55.640 It's really when you smoke it. Then then you think 1466 01:23:56.479 --> 01:24:00.479 hm hmm, under stone at all? And a half an 1467 01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:05.399 hour later you think where was I? 1468 01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:07.840 I didn't know anything, but there was. 1469 01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:11.039 That's a female you got from friends? Or is that 1470 01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:13.600 a female seed we. 1471 01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:16.600 We got we've got to uh yeah, yeah, I don't 1472 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:17.279 think you know them. 1473 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:22.119 She's called Miska mis Miska is a famous activist here 1474 01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:22.680 in Europe. 1475 01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:25.800 She's from France. It's a it's a it's a. 1476 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.800 It's an older lady and she's really an activist and 1477 01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:31.520 she was the best friend of A Nevill and Neville 1478 01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:36.840 gave this to her and since she passed away, she 1479 01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:42.600 passed away. Yeah, she gives it to us also because 1480 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:47.199 he's old. He's quite old already. And then she it's like, 1481 01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:50.600 what's send it? You gave it to somebody who knows 1482 01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:53.680 who who can handle it, you know, who knows who 1483 01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:55.680 knows how to to save it. 1484 01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:59.760 Are you planning on doing some breeding with somebody doing breathing? 1485 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:05.199 Because we are now doing breeding, but that's feminized breeding 1486 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:09.399 because when you have two girls, there's no man there's 1487 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.560 no male, so you need you need to do feminize 1488 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:16.920 breeding and we have now we have two and still yeah, 1489 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:21.279 I think it's going to be a successful project because 1490 01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:24.039 we we we When you're breeding, you have to stablish 1491 01:25:24.039 --> 01:25:24.680 a few goals. 1492 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:28.399 Girls already not too much, but our goals are always 1493 01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:30.680 the high, the smell, and the taste. 1494 01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:32.880 Those are my top three. 1495 01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:36.760 Yeah, it's nice when there is a lot of resin 1496 01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:40.880 to be seen, but we don't go for a flowering 1497 01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:42.000 time or something. 1498 01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:44.319 No, no, because. 1499 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:47.840 Now we also can do someone breeding and legal situations, 1500 01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:51.039 so then we don't have to worry about flowering time. 1501 01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:56.680 Right because a lot of people DNA genetics you know 1502 01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.840 them of course, yes, bybe they are also friends of us, 1503 01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:03.520 and they said, yeah, it's nice what you're doing, but 1504 01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:07.760 it's going to be a problem to sell those seats 1505 01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:12.119 because in those nowadays, people don't want to spend twelve 1506 01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:15.560 or twelve weeks thirty weeks waiting for their office anymore. 1507 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:17.920 It's changing, I. 1508 01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:21.880 Think, I hope so, because when you're growing legal like 1509 01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:24.960 you guys can do this there, why why should you 1510 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:26.359 bother about the flowering time? 1511 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:31.000 Yes? No, For a long time they were right, people 1512 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:33.720 didn't want things that went longer than eight to ten weeks. 1513 01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:35.319 Yeah, because they have to run there. 1514 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:37.600 It's a bit of police and bit the police on 1515 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:41.960 their heels and to make sure that it comes in fast. 1516 01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:44.199 But there's a lot of people now that are willing 1517 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.359 to do twelve, thirteen, even fourteen week strains if they're 1518 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.399 nice enough. People are getting excited about it. 1519 01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:56.239 And also regarding Waight, the extra three weeks will give 1520 01:26:56.279 --> 01:27:00.560 you forty percent extra weight, right. The best, but the 1521 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:03.920 best yielding varieties are the steep varieties. I mean, they 1522 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:08.159 all laugh a little bit about there's something making a 1523 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:11.079 little bit different about the new American strange. 1524 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.960 You like that. But they don't yield. 1525 01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:17.680 No, No, there's a lot of them that don't yield. 1526 01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:25.600 That's very true, of course. Yeah, so they don't, you 1527 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:30.119 know they so your your skunk haze. The haze in 1528 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.760 it is from one of the ten seeds that Neviles 1529 01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:34.119 that Sam. 1530 01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:37.840 There is nothing closer to the real haze than the 1531 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:38.960 screen caze that I have. 1532 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:43.520 Because most people, it seems like most people in Holland 1533 01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:47.800 ended up using a lot of Nevill's hybrids of haze, 1534 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.439 and those would be a lot of the one the 1535 01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:54.039 cuts that got saved. Yes, but as a result of 1536 01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:56.560 that that that means that most haze is only from 1537 01:27:56.640 --> 01:28:00.760 one or two plants. Yes, So you third, you have 1538 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:04.159 you have Hayes that's not even his, which is pretty exciting. 1539 01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:08.720 Yeah, because the difference between our Hayes and Nevil's hases. 1540 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:13.920 Neville Nevill did all the his crosses with northern lights, 1541 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.239 and we did it at Skirn Gramer one m HM 1542 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:20.119 and northern lights that you can also see in like 1543 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:22.960 A five and C five and all those. It's all 1544 01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:27.279 Hayes with northern light in it. And northern light is 1545 01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:30.399 not really a plant with a nice taste. It's like 1546 01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:33.880 a metallic a metallic taste, and it's. 1547 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:34.359 Really not. 1548 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.000 There are not the turps in the and the and 1549 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:42.000 and the crosses that never made are not so nice 1550 01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:44.800 then the turps in the in the skring cases because 1551 01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:47.520 the screen was really turpan. 1552 01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:51.600 So we were ready that our line, our. 1553 01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:54.399 Line is with Skirn gnumber one and Nevil's lines are 1554 01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:57.800 with it with the northern northern. 1555 01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.439 Lights and northern lights came from the US. 1556 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:03.600 Are there are there coffee shops and stuff like that 1557 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:06.399 where people can still get your skunk case on any 1558 01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:07.239 kind of basis. 1559 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 1560 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:13.560 It's still available, like if people were to go to 1561 01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:14.880 you can find it. 1562 01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:19.279 Lucky, only a few people grow it because it's complicated 1563 01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:23.399 to grow, really need to have your climate under control. 1564 01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:27.600 And in an illegal situation, it's not so very easy 1565 01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:33.079 because then you need to work with airco units, you know, 1566 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:38.840 because the skunk case, when the temperature rises above twenty 1567 01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:43.199 eight the celsius, then they start to ruin the boots 1568 01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:47.600 and that means then it cuts were very fluffy, and 1569 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:51.960 sometimes you get like ten branches and then you start. 1570 01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:56.159 Yeah, and when this happens after eight weeks of flowering again, 1571 01:29:57.039 --> 01:29:59.840 twelve weeks of flowering starts and then we're talking about 1572 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.439 antibiques and that's too much. And that's what. 1573 01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:08.119 You really you really know, it's really a very difficult 1574 01:30:08.119 --> 01:30:11.800 plan to grow. If you have too much nutrients, they 1575 01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:14.159 start to right and to start to. 1576 01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:15.000 Do crazy things. 1577 01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:18.760 You do it the right way. It takes twelve or 1578 01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:20.039 thirteen weeks. 1579 01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:24.399 Yeah, and then the right is not one hour above 1580 01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:29.359 twenty eight degree celsis, not one day when you have 1581 01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:34.600 one day when your ARCO breaks down or something, it's gone. 1582 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:41.479 It's gone. So you what excites you about you your 1583 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:45.119 new your new venture with super Stativa Seed Club. Are 1584 01:30:45.119 --> 01:30:47.399 you working, are you working with your son? Are you 1585 01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:47.920 working with. 1586 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:50.960 I a little bit my son? Yeah, I have those 1587 01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:53.760 and and and also. 1588 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:59.119 We are we are we are very close to get 1589 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:04.760 the permits to growing holand legal. Yeah, because now the 1590 01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:07.760 the Ditch government issued ten permits to grow legal for 1591 01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:10.880 the coffee shoption on and we were lucky enough to 1592 01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:12.199 win the lottery. 1593 01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:14.680 It was a lottery. 1594 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.840 Hundred and fifty people applied for the license and only 1595 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:23.560 forty went through the first round. Because you need to 1596 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:25.800 be able to grow a lot of wheat, you need 1597 01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:28.039 to have money, you need to have the skills to 1598 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:29.760 do it, you need to have the conferents in the 1599 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:30.600 coffee shop. 1600 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:31.680 And we all have this. 1601 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:37.199 And then basically there were forty people left and then 1602 01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:40.920 they made a lottery and we were lucky enough to 1603 01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:43.119 win one of the ten pyramids. 1604 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:45.319 So when you win it, does that mean that at 1605 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:48.239 some point in the future, like Matt and I could 1606 01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:52.600 fly to Holland and we could buy Superstitiva seed Club 1607 01:31:53.239 --> 01:31:57.159 weed at coffee. Yes, and it would be branded and 1608 01:31:57.199 --> 01:31:59.359 we know it was from you, and you threw it 1609 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:02.159 legal foracility, and then you'd sell it to like Damn 1610 01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:04.119 Kring or somebody like that. 1611 01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:06.640 That's the idea. Yes, that's the idea. 1612 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:08.640 That's very exciting. 1613 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.520 Yeah, yeah, that's the idea. 1614 01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:16.880 It will take because now it's a government basement, so 1615 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:18.199 it takes a little bit longer. 1616 01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:19.840 You can imagine. 1617 01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:25.279 You're waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting one the one. Then a 1618 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:27.439 few weeks and a month we will get the permit. 1619 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:28.479 And then. 1620 01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:35.880 It's very funny we do it in a peaceful way because. 1621 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:39.479 That's that's it's a lifetime of waiting for that. Huh. 1622 01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:43.359 Yeah, because for me especially, it's very nice because then 1623 01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:44.600 the stiricle is round, you know. 1624 01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:47.600 Yeah. 1625 01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:47.439 Uh. 1626 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:52.159 California is the same way. It's just become legal. But 1627 01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:54.640 a lot of money, a lot of rules, a lot 1628 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:58.560 of regulations, a lot of government involved, a lot of permits. 1629 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:00.960 Yeah, but we were. 1630 01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:04.079 Lucky enough to have the example of Canada and the 1631 01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:06.840 US to tell our government. 1632 01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:09.079 If you want to make this. 1633 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.479 A success, they don't make the same mistakes as they 1634 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:15.640 did in Canada. So because in Canada, people from the 1635 01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:20.279 black market it can't be involved in this. But here 1636 01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:23.079 in Holland, we told the government without people from the 1637 01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:26.640 black market, this is not going to be successful. No, 1638 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:29.359 the people from the black market, they know how to 1639 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:34.159 do it. And basically where there's the government can get 1640 01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:37.600 information from, they can't. You can't read the information about 1641 01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:39.640 these kind of things in the paper, So you need 1642 01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:44.640 to talk with people from the black market. We basically 1643 01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:47.159 help the government to make this happen. 1644 01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:50.680 You did you work to suf government. 1645 01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:54.520 Is wise enough to understand that they don't can do 1646 01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:55.760 this without the black market. 1647 01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:00.720 So then when if they make get legal, will you 1648 01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.560 mostly be going in greenhouses like traditional. 1649 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:05.880 You'll do a cumbination of greenhouse and. 1650 01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:08.199 Indoor growing an indoor growing. 1651 01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:10.439 Again, it gave you it would be one hundred percent again again. 1652 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:13.760 Yeah, you call it bio over there. 1653 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:16.760 Now, that's bio here. Yeah, it's calling by bio. 1654 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:23.079 Yeah so yeah, yeah, yeah. 1655 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.239 So I mean, if if if you want to wrap 1656 01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:28.920 it up here that that that's wonderful. I thank you 1657 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.039 so much for your time. It was wonderful to hear 1658 01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:31.680 these stories. 1659 01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:32.680 Yeah, that's keeping. 1660 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:34.560 You're an amazing interview man. 1661 01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:35.520 You know your ship. 1662 01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:36.399 I love it. 1663 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:42.960 All right. 1664 01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:44.880 That concludes NASA's part of the interview. 1665 01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:47.640 So right now, we're going to go over some of 1666 01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:50.399 the highlights of the interview, things that we picked out 1667 01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:55.439 and thought were very, very unique and otherwise important to highlight. 1668 01:34:56.279 --> 01:34:58.039 So let's talk about some things. 1669 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:01.479 Well, probably in no particular order, but one of the 1670 01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:05.319 really interesting parts for me was hearing him talk about 1671 01:35:05.359 --> 01:35:10.880 the imported weed from South America, from South Africa and 1672 01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:13.399 Durban and that you know, you and I have talked 1673 01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:15.920 a bunch in the past about how we thought most 1674 01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:19.920 of the Durban in Amsterdam came from what Mel Frank 1675 01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:21.399 gave to Sam Skunkman. 1676 01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:24.159 Sure we thought that's what proliferated most of what was 1677 01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:24.840 being used. 1678 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:28.560 By right and so while certainly that that was proliferated 1679 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.000 over there and plenty of people sold it and bred 1680 01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:33.640 with it, Sure now we find out that there was 1681 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:37.600 literally a durbin poison coffee shop. Then Correll and others 1682 01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:42.960 were getting bag seeds from seated cannabis from Durban and 1683 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:47.000 using in their own work. So significantly widens the gene 1684 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:50.359 pool of what we thought, and it also could lead 1685 01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:54.920 to where you know, Mel talked extensively about how his 1686 01:35:56.159 --> 01:35:59.439 Durban was much more Annis, much more licorice in flavor 1687 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:02.319 and he's not sure why the Dutch breddit in the 1688 01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:05.239 way that they did, but with that tidbit of information, 1689 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:09.000 it's possible that his was Anis and so there's an 1690 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:11.640 Anis side to Durbin. But then there's also a more 1691 01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:16.640 terpenoline leaning Durbin that came from South Africa and was 1692 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:19.720 found in seeded weed. Yeah, and that could account for 1693 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:24.119 the vast differences between those two Durbin families. Yeah, because 1694 01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:26.720 it's all kind of gotten the same classification. But as 1695 01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.560 we know, just because it's from the same region doesn't 1696 01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:34.600 mean it's no not whatsoever. So that was that was 1697 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:38.920 pretty amazing information because we've us and others have assumed 1698 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:42.560 for a long time, yeah, that most people were selling 1699 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:43.800 the same Durbin poison. 1700 01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:45.479 Yeah, that was fascinating. 1701 01:36:46.039 --> 01:36:47.520 One of the one of the points that I thought 1702 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.239 was really interesting, and it's something that's been kind of 1703 01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:55.000 mythical ever since s SSC kind of you know, moved 1704 01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:57.079 away from the scene. In that you know, there was 1705 01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.760 a lot of rumors building up about why that happened. 1706 01:37:00.720 --> 01:37:02.640 There were people coming out and saying I worked for 1707 01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:07.039 SSSC and I was s SSC America or my uncle, 1708 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:12.560 you know, my uncle's bred certain lines for SSSC in 1709 01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:14.359 Virginia or somewhere in America. 1710 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:17.119 I thought that was fascinating to hear that there were no. 1711 01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:21.079 Americans involved in s s SC, because that's been a 1712 01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:23.760 rumor that's built up and many a few at least 1713 01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:25.039 companies have been started off that. 1714 01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:28.840 Yeah. I mean, certainly there's more than more than one 1715 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:32.159 person has had claims of that level. So it was 1716 01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:37.600 interesting to hear that while they did source stuff from America, 1717 01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:42.119 like apparently, as we heard, Williams. Wonder came from New York, 1718 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:44.720 which is pretty cool. I had never heard that part before. 1719 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:45.640 Yeah, I had neither. 1720 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:50.000 And obviously he talked about all skunk coming from California 1721 01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:54.880 and the Sam rob group you know, to them, but 1722 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.600 it does seem a little bit like Neville. They collected, 1723 01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:00.880 they collected some things, and he it was pretty cool 1724 01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:03.800 how he talked about people with straight write him letters. Yeah, 1725 01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:06.800 that's how he met made most of his American connections 1726 01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:10.119 was people like ed or whoever writing them letters and 1727 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:11.119 wanting to come see them. 1728 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:13.079 Can you imagine just being able to write in a 1729 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:15.319 letter being like, hey, I'd love to come visit, and 1730 01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:17.680 all of a sudden Bam, you're there, You're at the king. 1731 01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:21.560 Or people are sitting in seeds or buds. So America 1732 01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:25.279 certainly contributed to what they had to offer, but apparently, 1733 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.199 I mean, he said, you know, all their breeding was 1734 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:31.960 done in five or six homes, basically, you know that 1735 01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:34.920 type of thing. The other little tidbit that's not really 1736 01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:37.439 like seed specific, but makes a lot of sense, was 1737 01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:41.600 you know, when he talked about how easy it was 1738 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:45.520 to get busted in greenhouses because all of Holland is 1739 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:49.399 highly developed, and so a greenhouse is in a neighborhood. Yeah, 1740 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.840 living in Men, living in Mendocino County and anybody who 1741 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:56.600 lives in the western part of America, we're pretty spread out. Yeah, 1742 01:38:56.680 --> 01:38:59.800 there's lots of remote rural areas. There's lots of places 1743 01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:01.880 you can do things, you can buy property where you 1744 01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:04.560 can get away with it. And it was pretty It 1745 01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:07.199 was interesting when you think of a society that's so 1746 01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:10.840 much older than ours and they've just populated every good 1747 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:13.720 part of the land. Yeah, and so there's really nowhere 1748 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:16.319 to hide. So for them in order to not get busted, 1749 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:18.800 it was I mean, he basically said it was like 1750 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:21.119 you were one and done. At most of those places. 1751 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:23.960 One of my favorite parts was when you were interviewing 1752 01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:26.920 him and he was talking about maybe you can go 1753 01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:28.560 over it a little bit more because you were doing 1754 01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:30.560 the interview, but when he was talking about the green 1755 01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:33.119 bud and not being able to sell green bud because 1756 01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:34.079 it wasn't what they were used to. 1757 01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:36.720 Oh yeah, if you see my face on the video, 1758 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:39.079 I think my eyes are probably as big as saucers. 1759 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:42.600 Because one of the things that's interesting in talking to 1760 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:44.479 like the you know what we've talked about is like 1761 01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:49.159 the pioneer generation. Yeah, you know is you know, like 1762 01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:51.600 Rob Clark and some of these guys that were writing 1763 01:39:51.640 --> 01:39:54.840 the Bible for breeding, is just how new it all was. 1764 01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:58.520 And so to think that in the mid eighties, as 1765 01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:01.760 they first grew wed for themselves, that was the first 1766 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:05.399 time any of them had seen green bud. Yeah, because 1767 01:40:05.439 --> 01:40:08.479 brown and gold or red or various kinds of cure 1768 01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.800 or whatever that was the standard. There was no other 1769 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:14.600 comm have even known that it looked that way when 1770 01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:19.760 it was fresh. Yeah. So they grow homegrown and it 1771 01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:22.880 comes out the way homegrown does, and they're not even 1772 01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.520 sure they're going to be able to sell it because 1773 01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:26.479 no one's ever seen it. 1774 01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:28.319 I'm sure they didn't even know if it would get 1775 01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:30.039 them high when they first looked at it, if it 1776 01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:31.920 was so different, you know, I mean. 1777 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:33.800 So that just goes to speak to the level of 1778 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:36.359 pioneering that they were trying to have to figure all 1779 01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:39.880 this stuff out. The other part, that's just a little tidbit, 1780 01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:43.840 but I found like endlessly amusing, honestly, is that obviously 1781 01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:48.159 an American weed culture, we can kind of trace a 1782 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:51.840 lot of strains back. But then there's like a nickname, 1783 01:40:52.479 --> 01:40:55.199 you know, where NL five skunk one doesn't stay that way, 1784 01:40:55.239 --> 01:40:58.359 it gets nicknamed something else, sure something maybe this NL 1785 01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:01.920 five Hayes gets nicknamed dogs or electric Bugaloo or whatever. 1786 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:05.720 And so you know, we have this whole countercultural thing 1787 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:10.439 in America of relating our strains the various pop culture 1788 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:13.520 stuff that's current for us, right, And so to hear 1789 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:17.760 that whole story about Victor Barne and the way that 1790 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:20.800 and the way that they whose name it was, and 1791 01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:22.760 this hustle and how they had to have a name 1792 01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:28.560 to deposit all these millions obviously not knowing holland you know, 1793 01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:32.279 culture like that. I never had any idea that that 1794 01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.880 was related to anything like that, but it does tie 1795 01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:38.439 in to the fact that we people have always had 1796 01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:42.600 kind of a knack to pick funny, tongue in cheek 1797 01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:44.800 kind of names for week. 1798 01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:47.640 Yeah, like choice, he said that was kind of like 1799 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:50.520 a fuck you to the Queen of Holland exactly. 1800 01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:55.479 So yeah, I mean, so both those things, both those names. 1801 01:41:56.479 --> 01:42:00.279 That tradition has continued throughout the decades. People are always 1802 01:42:00.279 --> 01:42:03.720 coming up with clever plays on the culture that they're in. 1803 01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:07.720 And so while you know, Holland weed culture and American 1804 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:10.279 weed culture is obviously quite different, it was pretty neat 1805 01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:13.119 to hear that they should we share that sort of 1806 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.319 you know. And on top of that too, I'll just say, 1807 01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:20.119 as a general sense, everything he said about his attitude 1808 01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:23.800 towards weed and their approach towards things and all that, like, 1809 01:42:24.079 --> 01:42:26.000 I pretty much agree with. I mean, it was obvious 1810 01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:28.119 talking to him, his heart was in the right place. 1811 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:31.279 They were pretty countercultural people. They were trying to get 1812 01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:34.079 away with it, they were trying to overgrow or change things. 1813 01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:37.920 Yeah, and you know, my favorite part that endeared me 1814 01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:40.359 to him was his lachhemism nature. 1815 01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:43.800 You know, even for I mean, obviously there was a 1816 01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:46.680 financial component for him, him and people doing what they 1817 01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:50.439 were doing. But in a way it started a countercultural revolution. 1818 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.279 The reason why people are so interested in Super Sativa 1819 01:42:54.319 --> 01:42:57.920 Seed Club is because so many legends exist of weed 1820 01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:01.720 grown in Canada and America of those strains by people 1821 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:06.119 from them. So they played a pretty big role. Them 1822 01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:10.159 and Neville are really the two groups that started spreading 1823 01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:15.520 all this seed everywhere, and that that's pretty important because 1824 01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:18.720 they laid the foundation for what came after. I mean, 1825 01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:21.760 it's also it was also interesting because we've already you know, 1826 01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:25.600 we always wondered but hearing how when they saw what 1827 01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:28.560 happened to Neville and they saw green Merchant and they 1828 01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:32.399 saw the international police pressure, that that's what made them 1829 01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:36.920 decide to disband for a long time and not continue 1830 01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:39.319 because they saw, you know, the price that a lot 1831 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:42.760 of these pioneers paid had to do this kind of stuff, 1832 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.479 you know, was was pretty intense. 1833 01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:47.119 Yeah. 1834 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:50.720 Another thing I want to mention just before I forget, 1835 01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:53.680 and that this might be really pertinent because it's kind 1836 01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:59.159 of experiencing a resurgence. But you know when he was 1837 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:04.199 talking about his skunk Hayes, Oh yeah, yeah, So first 1838 01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:08.680 of all, that's another piece of evidence that you know, 1839 01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:11.560 there was at least three people that seemed to get 1840 01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:14.479 Hayes from Sam skunk Man when he came over to 1841 01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:15.560 Holland the first time. 1842 01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:21.760 Yeah, we have all in our yes and correct correct. 1843 01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:25.239 And and you know they all, you know, their stories 1844 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:29.279 all are all similar. It was interesting to hear that 1845 01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:32.680 that maybe there wasn't even that many Hayes seeds given out, 1846 01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:35.880 you know. Uh, maybe that leads to the fact that 1847 01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:38.319 he didn't bring over that that many. Yeah, and it 1848 01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:40.520 was kind of hesitant, you know, and only wanted to 1849 01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:42.800 give out so many before he could make his own 1850 01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:44.199 breeding and increase it again. 1851 01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:47.560 But if we were able to talk to him about it, it 1852 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:49.359 would it would actually answer a lot of questions. So 1853 01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:51.279 hopefully in the future he'd be into it. 1854 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:52.279 Yeah. 1855 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:54.880 And one thing that I think for all the modern 1856 01:44:54.920 --> 01:44:57.720 Hayes freaks out there, because with the A five and 1857 01:44:57.760 --> 01:44:59.920 C five sneaking out and a lot of people breed 1858 01:45:00.680 --> 01:45:03.279 Cuban black Haze and n L five Haze, I think 1859 01:45:03.359 --> 01:45:06.760 is having quite a bit of a resurgence as piff 1860 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:09.800 for church or different things like that. Is how we 1861 01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:12.439 talked about how the skunk cage that they've had for 1862 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:16.960 thirty five years. If you grew it under you know, 1863 01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:21.439 in American terms, eighty two degrees, you know, if you 1864 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:24.119 grew it cold, it only took about twelve twelve and 1865 01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:26.600 a half weeks to finish, and it formed nice buds. 1866 01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:29.560 But let it creep above eighty two for even an 1867 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:34.119 hour or two, and you've got a running long stativa 1868 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:38.800 twenty plus week. They would add another eight weeks a 1869 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:42.159 couple months, and so they you know, it was really 1870 01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:45.079 interesting to hear that because there's a lot of people 1871 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:48.600 playing with hazes right now. Sure, and if that holds true, 1872 01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:51.600 I wonder if people ran rooms in the low to 1873 01:45:51.680 --> 01:45:54.560 mid seventies and we're militant about keeping it that low. 1874 01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:57.039 There's a lot of people that run CO two in 1875 01:45:57.079 --> 01:45:59.399 their rooms. There's a lot of data out there where 1876 01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:01.920 you might run your room in the load mid eighties 1877 01:46:02.439 --> 01:46:06.800 to get VPD, know, or to get more use out 1878 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:09.880 of your CO two and try to rapid fire. Yeah, 1879 01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:14.079 and that might be the exact bad approach for running 1880 01:46:14.119 --> 01:46:15.199 some of these old hazes. 1881 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:15.840 Yea. 1882 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:19.439 So maybe if you know people are listening and interested 1883 01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:22.640 and you have hazes, try running them in the load 1884 01:46:22.640 --> 01:46:25.479 of mid seventies and see if they form a little 1885 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:28.000 different and see if they finish faster, because the difference 1886 01:46:28.039 --> 01:46:30.199 between twelve and twenty weeks. 1887 01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:30.720 Is a lot. 1888 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:31.960 Yeah, that's tremendous. 1889 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:36.960 That is tremendous, you know. So it's also interesting in that, 1890 01:46:37.760 --> 01:46:40.000 you know, maybe we can eventually get to work on 1891 01:46:40.039 --> 01:46:43.039 some of his stuff over here. But most people's haze 1892 01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:47.479 stuff comes from the plants that Neville found, and so 1893 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:50.039 it was crazy to hear that the skunk haze that 1894 01:46:50.079 --> 01:46:54.640 he has is a survivor from Hayes seed that he found. 1895 01:46:55.119 --> 01:46:56.880 Yeah, so it's not haze or hay C. 1896 01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:02.520 It's not haze or it's hay C. It's another haze 1897 01:47:02.720 --> 01:47:06.720 that is now trapped in genetics that maybe could be used. 1898 01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:09.199 And a lot of these issues with haze are inbreeding 1899 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:12.359 because there's only a parent or two. So when you 1900 01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:15.359 only have a couple parents being used and mostly c 1901 01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:20.159 A is still way more rare to even use third 1902 01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:22.680 parent adds a lot more genetics. 1903 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:26.119 Yeah, it sure does. That's a good direction and potential. 1904 01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:29.640 So it's pretty interesting. Maybe, you know he's been talking 1905 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:33.319 about during that interview they're starting up the company again 1906 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:36.520 and they've got some initial work coming out. So that 1907 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:40.279 made me quite a bit more excited about anything that 1908 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:45.119 uses that plant because the other thing too relative to 1909 01:47:45.159 --> 01:47:49.720 that plant is I thought his talk about how different 1910 01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:53.159 skunk one was in the mid eighties when it first 1911 01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:56.840 arrived than what it became later on, and a lot 1912 01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:59.000 of people have considered that skunk one has been this 1913 01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:04.199 consistent thing we're used to citrus or grapes or you know, 1914 01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:07.800 maybe some cheese or funk. Yeah, but he said it 1915 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:09.479 was kind of rank when it came over. 1916 01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:11.960 So that that does I wonder if that holds true 1917 01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:17.199 to to stuff that Sam Dave had said about breeding 1918 01:48:17.239 --> 01:48:22.279 out skunk, breeding out the actual skunk skunky smells, I should. 1919 01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:24.560 Say, I mean, there's not that many people we should 1920 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:27.680 talk to that were growing skunk in nineteen eighty five. 1921 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:30.520 But yeah, the other interesting part about that is that 1922 01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:34.359 obviously that skunk has that he talked about contains that 1923 01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:38.640 raw more raw skunk one. Yeah, it's in addition to 1924 01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:41.600 a double another haze. The other side of it is this, 1925 01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:46.479 you know, maybe before it was hard selected in that 1926 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:49.000 direction that we're also familiar with. 1927 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:51.239 Yeah, it could be like closer to something like an 1928 01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:53.479 Afghan haese that could be really ranked. 1929 01:48:53.880 --> 01:48:56.720 Yeah, Yeah, I mean it was. It was interesting tidbit 1930 01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:59.039 because you have so few people you can talk to 1931 01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:01.079 about what was mid eighties skunk. 1932 01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:03.880 One like, yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. 1933 01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:07.239 And he obviously bought it and bred it and sold 1934 01:49:07.239 --> 01:49:09.119 it and it was a big part of his catalog 1935 01:49:09.239 --> 01:49:12.680 and the years they were in operation. So hearing his 1936 01:49:12.760 --> 01:49:16.000 opinion about how mid and late eighties skunk was vastly 1937 01:49:16.039 --> 01:49:19.039 different than what came later was to me at least 1938 01:49:19.239 --> 01:49:24.079 confirmation you know that that you know the state that 1939 01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:24.720 things were in. 1940 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:26.079 I thought it was. 1941 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:28.760 It was pretty cool when I think we were talking 1942 01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:32.760 about Friezeland Friesland, Indica, where he was very honest and 1943 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:35.600 said he wasn't really stoked with where he's seen Freezeland 1944 01:49:36.199 --> 01:49:39.199 been taken now as it's been grown, in bred and 1945 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:43.159 FGM like, he wasn't really stoked with the current offering 1946 01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:44.239 of Friezeland out there. 1947 01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:49.760 I mean, you know, I understand from his perspective likestly. 1948 01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:53.800 One thing that's certainly true is with Instagram and other 1949 01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:57.520 forms going on these days, is that that's the way 1950 01:49:57.560 --> 01:49:59.960 that a lot of people interact with a lot of cannaid. 1951 01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:04.800 They never get to try so looks have become incredibly important. Yeah, 1952 01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:08.680 you know. Uh, and you know, so you you go 1953 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:11.000 to the looks of some of those eighties and nineties 1954 01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:12.960 strains pretty rough. 1955 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:14.399 Yeah, there's some of them a little rough. 1956 01:50:14.439 --> 01:50:16.840 You know, it's pretty pretty rough. They might not be 1957 01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:19.319 the most resonance, They might be kind of leafy, they 1958 01:50:19.399 --> 01:50:22.199 might look kind of fugly. Yeah. Put that next to like, 1959 01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:26.840 you know, some kind of very modern, very gorgeous looking plant. 1960 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:30.319 And by looks alone, it kind of looks like you're 1961 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:32.560 you know, you're drawn in squiggles or something. 1962 01:50:32.600 --> 01:50:35.479 You know, it's like, sure, you. 1963 01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:39.600 Know, but but it also reiterates that like you can't 1964 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:44.720 you can't look at effect with your eyes exactly. So 1965 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:46.560 it could be a super There's a lot of haze 1966 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:50.359 out there that's kind of ugly, but it works really good. 1967 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:53.800 I mean, there's a there's there's famous haze in New 1968 01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:58.079 York that gets sold brown Yeah, and in modern times 1969 01:50:58.119 --> 01:50:59.880 it's not very easy to sell brown weed. 1970 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:03.880 No, but that but that name. It also it tastes 1971 01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:05.720 great and it works, that's true. 1972 01:51:05.920 --> 01:51:08.079 So the smoke is great, you know the fact that 1973 01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:11.039 it I mean, even so you know, uh, you know, 1974 01:51:11.079 --> 01:51:13.000 we had this, we had this cut that. You know, 1975 01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:17.119 my friend helped make that the chocolate diesel, right, yeah, 1976 01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:21.680 and it and it was a combination of chocolate tie 1977 01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:26.560 across to the ninety one and then cross the sourities. Yeah. 1978 01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:29.399 It was crazy too, like he it was legitimate old 1979 01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:36.600 like eighties chocolate tie smoll than types. Right, And eventually 1980 01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:39.399 it got lost because it was super potent. It was 1981 01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:43.520 like top super thie super cam. It knocked you on 1982 01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:47.279 your ass, but it cured brown. Yeah, and people hated 1983 01:51:47.319 --> 01:51:52.560 it for that look. That look even Keem four Kim 1984 01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:56.399 four can sometimes cure to like a very light brownish. 1985 01:51:56.520 --> 01:51:58.399 It still looks the resin and all that, and the 1986 01:51:58.439 --> 01:52:02.119 butt itself looks amazing, but people don't like brown. 1987 01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:04.319 The old clockwork Orange Mom was the same. 1988 01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:06.760 We called it orange not because of the flavor, but 1989 01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:10.039 it was more because of the actual color of the 1990 01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:11.159 plant when it was done. 1991 01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:12.039 You know, it was more of. 1992 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:15.039 A golden orange brown look to it. It was unique 1993 01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:15.680 in that sense. 1994 01:52:16.479 --> 01:52:20.359 But really, I mean, you know, you talked his interview 1995 01:52:21.039 --> 01:52:23.319 is not that much different than what a lot of 1996 01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:26.960 us have who have bred in various houses in various 1997 01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:29.239 ways and tried to get away with it here and there. 1998 01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:33.199 You know, and they were just grabbing the best stuff 1999 01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:35.960 they could at the time. Some of them were straight strained, 2000 01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:38.199 some of them were bag seeds that they found out 2001 01:52:38.199 --> 01:52:41.279 a good weed and coffee shops. Yeah, is how a 2002 01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:44.560 lot of breeding in America happened too later on as well, 2003 01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:48.520 a bag seed has ruled the game for you know. 2004 01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:53.039 And so it's cool that things are opening up and 2005 01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:55.960 we can talk to people like that who have such 2006 01:52:55.960 --> 01:53:00.439 a vastly different experience of starting. Then yah know, maybe 2007 01:53:00.479 --> 01:53:02.640 we can get some more you know, if things open 2008 01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:04.640 up a little bit more in America and over there, 2009 01:53:04.680 --> 01:53:08.239 there could be some actual, like more closer collaborations. Yeah, 2010 01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:11.680 because obviously there's been a lot of illicit flow back 2011 01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:17.119 and forth between the Dutch and America and Canada. Yeah, 2012 01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:18.720 but it would be neat to be able to one 2013 01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:22.239 day to actually do it, Yeah, because we each have 2014 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:25.079 some pretty amazing things, and we have some different lines, 2015 01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:28.239 and we have some things that segregated from each other 2016 01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:31.880 over time. You know, you talk about him being able 2017 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.960 to go to Canada and there's there's some super sativa 2018 01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:38.359 seed club stuff that still exists, sure, and they might 2019 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:39.319 be able to get it back. 2020 01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:42.079 And then you know that brings me to another part though, 2021 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:43.720 was when I was talking to him, and this might 2022 01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:46.880 have been actually a private conversation, but it was. It 2023 01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:49.640 was talking to him about the people that have made 2024 01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:55.119 whole companies off of selling illicit not not illicit, but 2025 01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:59.800 like unreal reproductions of super Stativac Club, just to market 2026 01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:02.720 on the name and move seeds fast. And when he 2027 01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:05.760 was talking about resourcing genetics, that's going to be a problem, 2028 01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:08.560 that is an actual issue now that so many people 2029 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:12.720 have made different Super Sativa Seed Club repros. 2030 01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:13.920 And it's going to make sourcing a little harder for 2031 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:14.439 some of it. 2032 01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:18.720 Well, we've talked about this on previous podcasts in the 2033 01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:21.720 sense that it's really only the last maybe five or 2034 01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:24.640 six years that there's been a massive resurgence and trying 2035 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:28.479 to find ancient and original beans. Yea, there was a 2036 01:54:28.520 --> 01:54:32.800 big era where everybody wanted new, new yes, and the 2037 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:36.359 old stuff was most of the stories were pretty honest 2038 01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:37.359 because nobody cared. 2039 01:54:37.640 --> 01:54:39.359 Yeah exactly. 2040 01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:42.640 Now now that things have legalizes and things have opened 2041 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:45.199 up and lots of people have kind of the same things, 2042 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:50.039 there's been this massive explosion of I found these seeds 2043 01:54:50.039 --> 01:54:54.960 in my old connections dresser, my grandma's freezer, this my 2044 01:54:55.079 --> 01:54:59.359 that these have been faithfully reproduced, and not just SSSC, 2045 01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:03.880 but every old legendary line you can think of. There's 2046 01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:06.680 dates associated with them. Some of them are super early, 2047 01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:09.800 too early, and it makes it, Yeah, it makes it 2048 01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:14.199 really hard to sift through ye and find the real 2049 01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:19.000 because there's there. As people get more excited about weed 2050 01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:21.920 and people get more excited about the history and stuff, 2051 01:55:22.359 --> 01:55:24.800 they're gonna they're gonna want just like we do. They're 2052 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.479 gonna want to try some old pure lines. Yeah. I 2053 01:55:28.479 --> 01:55:31.279 would love to dig through everything from the seed bank 2054 01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:35.960 and SSSC now, being my age and knowing what I 2055 01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:38.239 know now, it would be amazing to dig through all 2056 01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:41.399 that and so and so people pray it's you know, 2057 01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:44.720 it's kind of like the roadkill skug thing, where there's 2058 01:55:44.760 --> 01:55:48.359 a there's a market demand for certain things now and 2059 01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:52.199 so there's a market demand for old So hopefully some 2060 01:55:52.279 --> 01:55:54.840 of his old stuff legitimately did exist. 2061 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:59.239 Yeah, but I know, I know a few reproductions are 2062 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:01.680 out there that are legitimate for some of them. But 2063 01:56:02.279 --> 01:56:06.239 it just goes to say that it's cool that that 2064 01:56:06.399 --> 01:56:10.399 people are getting so into researching cannabis to the point 2065 01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:13.960 of really getting into provenance and stuff like that. 2066 01:56:14.640 --> 01:56:17.079 So it combats that because. 2067 01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:19.119 If stuff like that doesn't sell, if these if these 2068 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:22.680 guys who are doing these reproductions that you're it's pretty obvious. 2069 01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:27.720 Usually when these guys are working invious. 2070 01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:28.640 It might be obvious to us, it might be less 2071 01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:32.600 obvious to others, depending on you know, how how in 2072 01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:36.119 tune your scam dar is or whatever. But that's true. 2073 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:39.159 I do think that for most people, you know, there's 2074 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:41.319 a lot of strains. I'll be frank, like, I went 2075 01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:43.640 to a lot of Amsterdam trips. I bought a lot 2076 01:56:43.640 --> 01:56:47.520 of seed. Most of it was not keepers. Yeah, I 2077 01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:51.000 did find some cool stuff, certainly, others found some elites 2078 01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:54.039 that have survived to this day off the same lines 2079 01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:56.119 that I bought. Yeah, but even back then it was 2080 01:56:56.119 --> 01:56:58.279 a total crapshoot and there was there was a lot 2081 01:56:58.319 --> 01:57:02.079 to not be impressed by. So, you know, him looking 2082 01:57:02.119 --> 01:57:04.640 and being honest and being like, oh, there it. 2083 01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:05.800 Wasn't it's not so nice. 2084 01:57:06.079 --> 01:57:09.960 Yeah, but still if it is real. The cool part 2085 01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:13.279 about it is is that opening up the gene pool 2086 01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:16.760 and adding genes that have been lost over time and 2087 01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:21.079 aren't being used. We have too much overuse too few 2088 01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:24.359 lines in cannabis right now, So a lot of eighties 2089 01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:27.720 and old things by themselves might not be all that great, 2090 01:57:27.800 --> 01:57:30.079 but they could widen the gene pool and you never 2091 01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:33.760 know what they might pop an out CROSSSS absolutely, you know, 2092 01:57:34.520 --> 01:57:38.039 you know, we just you know CSI. Who knows where 2093 01:57:38.079 --> 01:57:41.199 the ABC work will go. Yeah, that's still in its 2094 01:57:41.239 --> 01:57:44.600 infancy as you start hybridizing it with things and adding 2095 01:57:44.600 --> 01:57:48.399 those genes in and making polyhybrids with it. So to me, 2096 01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:50.560 some of the most valid if anything from the eighties 2097 01:57:50.640 --> 01:57:53.800 or early nineties survived, even if by itself it's not 2098 01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:57.279 that great, it might have traits or things that you 2099 01:57:57.319 --> 01:58:01.119 add into something really mbred you get something surprising. 2100 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:04.640 Yeah, you never know how terpenes will modify other terpenes 2101 01:58:04.720 --> 01:58:08.000 with diolic expressions, you never know. And with new and 2102 01:58:08.039 --> 01:58:11.039 novel expressions or maybe they weren't new in novel in 2103 01:58:11.039 --> 01:58:13.479 the eighties, but they're back to being new and novel 2104 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:15.680 now and that we never know how that'll change and 2105 01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:16.319 modify now. 2106 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:18.800 And you know, one of the things about breeding is 2107 01:58:18.840 --> 01:58:21.119 you tend to get good results when you cross things 2108 01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:25.600 that are very dissimilar to each other. And so taking 2109 01:58:25.640 --> 01:58:28.359 something that hasn't been really worked with much since the 2110 01:58:28.399 --> 01:58:30.560 eighties or early nineties, and isn't in a lot of 2111 01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:34.680 this cush skittles, cookies, whatever blends of things. It might 2112 01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:39.960 pop some new and cool things and that. So you know, 2113 01:58:40.039 --> 01:58:42.920 all in all, I thought he was a wealth of information, 2114 01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:47.159 absolutely super engaging and pleasant. He seemed like an older 2115 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:51.880 version of us, you know, he did. So that made 2116 01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:54.479 it like really fun and relaxing to chat with him 2117 01:58:54.520 --> 01:58:58.039 about everything. Sure, he seems willing to maybe do some 2118 01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:00.399 more and so there's I'm sure there's a lot of 2119 01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:05.880 history and experiences that he's seen that's right up our alley. 2120 01:59:06.560 --> 01:59:09.079 So you know, no promises, but we'll see what comes 2121 01:59:09.079 --> 01:59:11.640 of it. Yeah, And in closing it, I think I 2122 01:59:11.680 --> 01:59:13.399 think we learned a lot. I think there was a 2123 01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:16.479 lot of things that weren't very well publicly known that 2124 01:59:16.560 --> 01:59:20.000 he clarified and so not only from a historical perspective, 2125 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:23.840 but for the current Uh, I think it was it 2126 01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:25.640 was really it was really a good interview. 2127 01:59:27.199 --> 01:59:32.000 H Yeah. 2128 01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:34.479 I was really really stoked to be able to speak 2129 01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:34.840 with him. 2130 01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:35.399 It was. 2131 01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:37.439 It was it was one of those few times where 2132 01:59:37.479 --> 01:59:39.720 it's someone that you've always wanted to interview and speak to, 2133 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:41.840 and they weren't a complete disappointment. 2134 01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:43.159 It was absolutely an honors. 2135 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:46.000 Yeah, it was great. It was great. So I hope 2136 01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:50.119 everybody enjoyed listening to it. You know, it's a little 2137 01:59:50.119 --> 01:59:53.960 bit strange. It's two part uh and uh. We'll see 2138 01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:56.039 how things go, but we hope to be able to 2139 01:59:56.039 --> 01:59:58.960 bring you some more of some of the pioneers in 2140 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:01.760 cannabis and there view on things and how we got 2141 02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:05.560 to where we are. So, you know, thanks and peace everyone. 2142 02:00:06.079 --> 02:00:12.680 Thank you.