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want to welcome back to the program Stacy Matthews. You
can read her work at RedState dot com. She also
writes under the pseudonym and has for years since the
advent of blogging itself under the name of sister told
you Hello, Stacey, how are you, Hey, Pete.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm waiting for this news cycle to
slow down, so I take a vacation.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's never gonna stop again. Ever, if it does,
that means the Internet is broken. So all right, So
let's start with a couple of pieces. You got one
that I guess this was posted today about CBS, so
people may be aware. CBS's parent company, Paramount Global, settled
a lawsuit with President Donald Trump. The amount was I
think like sixteen million dollars, and it'll go to cover
legal fees, but also a nice chunk of change will
go to his presidential library, which I think is going
to be hilarious. If his presidential library is completely funded
by media, that would be that would be pretty apropos.
Speaker 3: I think ABC News is working that a little bit
on that front too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So yeah, I mean you could have this
whole shrine to Trump paid for by media, which is
it's apropos becaus Like without the media, he probably would
not have risen as he did back in twenty fifteen
with all of the coverage that he was getting.
Speaker 1: But I digress.
Speaker 2: The point here is that the settlement occurred, and it
it occurred because of the way Sixty Minutes edited an
interview with Vice President Kamala Harris during the twenty twenty
four presidential election, and I thought that was sort of
sort of the end of it. But I was surprised,
there's a New York Times interview that you are quoting here.
Speaker 1: So wait, do you have a New York Times subscription?
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, everything I thought I knew of you
is shattered.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Pete. I'm one of those people that
wait until like a week before the subscription goes out,
and then I'll threaten to cancel, and then they offer
it to me for like three or four dollars a month. Oh,
kind of like the Charlotte Observer does, except I think
there's a late ninety one cent. Now I'm not subscribed
to the Observer. I do have a line that I
draw on that.
Speaker 2: Well that's fair, okay, Well, all right, so I guess
I can't. Yeah, I have an Observer subscription.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, my opinion about.
Speaker 1: You, but not a New York Times subscription. All right.
Speaker 2: So in the New York Times, they did an interview
with the CBS Corporation CBS Corporation vice chair Sherry Redstone,
and what did she tell the Times.
Speaker 3: Well, she's she is not she is not the vice
chair anymore, but she was acting in a capacity of
non executive chair. She basically had stepped back from her
role there around the time that all this started happening
with the lawsuit, and she even though she had stepped
back from settlement discussions in January, according to her, she
revealed something in a pretty extensive interview with the New
York Times and this is what they wrote, they said
in part. One of the reasons why she she speculates
that the settlement occurred was that they were worried about
Trump's lawyers being able to get their hands on raw
footage of some past sixty minutes interviews that that CBS
News did. And one of the interviews Sherry Redstone talked
about was one with Joe Biden in October two, twenty
twenty three, when Scott Pelley interviewed Biden and the according
to what she said, the President had seemed drowsy and
had to be prodded to answer, and she said she
and some others CBS News worried that CBS might be
accused of editing the interviews to conceal mister Biden's failings.
And her quote was, this case was never as black
and white as people assumed. Other words, in other words,
you know that where there was where there was smoke,
there was fire here. You know, Trump made an allegation,
and you know, you read between the lines of this
and this is like hmm, and this was kind of predictable.
There were people that were saying, right after the news
of the settlement was announced that you know, these resistance
media organizations, they don't typically settle unless there is fire
to the smoke, and that's kind of what happened here,
I believe, with CBS sitting on this unaired footage of
Joe Biden allegedly needing to be prodded by his interview
or because he looked sleepy.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, And just looking at the timeline, this interview
with Biden occurred according to The Times in October twenty
twenty three. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but October
twenty twenty three, that would be before the debate performance
that ended his re election campaign.
Speaker 1: I believe that would be before.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because the debate happened in June of twenty
twenty four. And this something else, something else you have
to consider is that you know, there was a revelation
I think it was to a couple of months ago,
and I forgive me for not remembering the particulars, but
it was revealed that Biden had been his medical team
sometimes had him on sleeping aids right well, which which
for somebody of his age, and with some of the
issucy that had gone on, it could lead to the
types of problems that we sow from him, you know,
the forgetful and just looking out of it and lost
and kind of things like that. So this kind of
would lend credence to that as well.
Speaker 2: So interesting and yeah, so I agree with you. Your assessment
here is that they decided to settle because they were
sitting on something they feared would prove Trump right. And yeah,
when Trump had been hammering Biden, and you know, right
wing media has been hammering Biden for years that he
is in cognitive decline. And why isn't the media covering
this If they're sitting on a raw interview footage of
Biden appearing to prove that very accusation, then they don't
want that to get out either. It's also I think
this happened with the CNN settlement as well. There's a
lot of stuff in the internal communications that they don't
want to divulge because it would obviously lay bare the
lie that they are an impartial media operation when we
know they are not right.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you think about it too, be in
some of these lawsuits, you know, there could be this
thing where they don't necessarily feel like they would lose
the lawsuits in the court of law, but in a
court of public opinion. Sometimes things come out in lawsuits
that are far more damaging, you know that than a
potential loss or even a win. You know, let's say
they won the lawsuit and defeated Trump. You know, the
larger issue could have been, you know, what came out
from discovery, which you know that one Biden interview was
a case in point that could have damaged them so much,
so much more than anything that came out of.
Speaker 2: This lawsuit, right, and then they would have also shown
a pattern that CBS was engaged in. Because if they're
doing that for Biden and then they're doing it for Harris,
who else are they doing it for?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, I think that's a stute.
Speaker 2: Speaking of media, and I just saw this come across
Twitter formerly known as x NPR host Ari Shapiro is
leaving NPR at the end of September. Ari Shapiro is
the host of All Things Considered. You've also got a
piece posted to RedState dot Com about NPR And I
saw this story also at Legal Insurrection that apparently there's
some foundations that are going to step up and pour
millions and millions of dollars into NPR stations. I am
completely shocked. Couldn't see that coming right.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, and this this comes on the heels
of another report that we saw from I believe it
was the New York Times a couple of months ago,
where they talked about how donations to NPR PBS stations
quote unquote exploded, with donors across the country giving an
unprecedented number since Congress cut federal funding. And so you know,
you had donors, not necessarily wealthy donors, but just you know,
random average people donating and actually many of them when
they donated, they set themselves up to be recurring donors,
so they will be continuing to donate, you know, forever,
how long they choose. But this report that came out
from the Washington Post yesterday, it talked about how major
philanthropic organizations including night My Farther and Ford, announced they're
committing nearly thirty seven million in emergency funding to keep
public media stations afloat after Trump's Precisions package stripped away
federal funding. And the weeks of this peak is that
it's actually not even aimed directly at PBS and NPR,
but some other local stations. I think they numbered in
like a one hundred and fifteen radio and TV stations
across the country and rural airs that rural areas that
they say will be especially negatively impacted by the the fundings.
So this isn't even something that goes directly to PBS
and NPR, goes to I guess maybe sister stations to
them across the country, And it's not just a going
to be a band aid. According to the Washington Post report,
it that's a consultancy public media company said it launched
a quote bridge fund Monday today the most at risk
public TV and radio stations to stabilize the system and
the aftermath of federal funding loss and help public media
become more sustainable in the long run. So in other words,
you know, you've got this public media group that that's
actually involved in ongoing funding from rich people, right rich
you know, you know, the typical usual people to fund
over long periods of time to the same the networks
and absence of the funding. So it just kind of
proves a point that I know you've made. I've made
another Conservatives have made that hey, they didn't need our
money after all.
Speaker 2: No, and the list of the foundations are all the
usual suspects. The Night Foundation you mentioned, the MacArthur Foundation,
the Ford Foundation, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, the Schmidt
Family Foundation, Melinda Gates her Pivotal Ventures. If you listen
to any of the NPR programming, you will hear those names.
These are very wealthy foundation's rich donors and they've been
funding NPR for a very long time. And yeah, they
did not need our money. They did not need our
tax money in the first place. They can pay for
the content that they want to hear. And if they
want to hear about the mating rituals of the bumblebee,
then they can pay for that. We don't need, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think we can thank Cheryl Crow in part
for this, because I don't know if you remember this,
but back in February she made a very public showing
of selling her tesla. She posted it on Instagram. She
sold her tesla and she said the prostseeds of it
would go to NPR. So thanks Cheryl, yeah, for inspiring
your fellow leftists to put their money where their mouths are.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Stacy Matthews. You can read her work at
RedState dot com. Always a pleasure to chat with you, Stacey.
We won't hold it against you. Did you have a
Washington Post subscription too?
Speaker 3: I actually do the archives? Oh most of these. I
do the little archive thing. Yeah, yeah, the New York
Time that do get a subscription because we we write
about them a lot. But it's only five bucks a month.
So don't hold it against me.
Speaker 2: No, we won't hold it against you, and you won't
hold it against me about my observer subscriptions.
Speaker 3: I'll try not to.
Speaker 1: All right, Stacy, good to talk with you again.
Speaker 3: You two fee.
Speaker 1: Thank you, take care that.
Speaker 2: Stacy Matthews from RedState dot com. All Right, so you've
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Legal Insurrection with Stacey because some of her work does
appear over there as well on occasion, but predominantly she's
over at RedState dot com. So I didn't feel like
it was it was in you know, poor etiquette or
anything to mention another website when I had her on
just for the record, not that anybody really cares. Okay,
So Mary Chastain talking about this very same story from
the Washington Post about this organized called Public Media Company,
which established a bridge fund for the most at risk
public radio and TV stations across the country. Because, of course,
Trump signed the executive order ordering agencies to identify and
terminate to the maximum extent consistent with applicable law, any
director in direct funding of NPR and PBS. Of course,
PBSNPR in the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which hands out
the funds to the stations, who, then, by the way,
turn around and pay NPR and PBS.
Speaker 1: For the content.
Speaker 2: So that's how that works, okay, So it's not like
the stations get to keep all that money. They have
to pay for their national network programming. And I've gone
over this model. It's a different model than what we
operate under in the commercial space, which is we usually
get shows our national content, which I mean, we don't
really have a lot here at WBT because we are awesome.
You know, we're live and local from five am until
nine pm. But you know, when we have had and
we do use some of the national network shows, you
usually get those for free in exchange for advertising slots basically,
so that's why you'll hear some ads on the station
that are national spots, because that's part of that deal.
They get a certain amount of inventory or spots, and
we get a certain amount of inventory, and but we
get the content for free. Except for Rush Limbaugh, we
had to pay. He was the only one that could
charge and he was worth it. So that so that's
a different model than what NPR does. They charge all
of their affiliates boatloads of money for all the content,
and so yes, they're handing down the money, but then
they're also turning around and collecting it for the various
programs that they offer. And what's the other one, American
Public Radio I think it's called APR. They also provide
national syndicated programming as well. So of course the public
radio and PBS they sued Trump over this executive order,
but that challenge failed because Congress then went and codified
the cuts in the Recisions Act. Okay, so that's where
that stands. Now, there are local impacts to this. People
may remember a fella named Tommy Tomlinson. He used to
be a columnist at the Charlotte Observer. He then went
over to the local NPR affiliate here in town, WFAE.
Full disclosure, I worked there as well a long time ago,
not really on air except during a pledge drive or two.
I worked mailing people coffee mugs, doing the daily deposits,
booking the volunteers for the pledge drives, ordering the food
and picking it up from the various local restaurants that
would donate the food to the pledge drives to feed
the volunteers. And then I would also go out and
get the afternoon lunch run. So those were my duties.
Speaker 1: Right out of college.
Speaker 2: So Tommy Tomlinson is apparently out at the NPR affiliate.
He told the Charlotte Observer that he had been kind
of wanting to get back to full time writing anyway.
He's sixty one years old and he had seven years
on staff back in May, and he hosted the Southbound
podcast as well as a commentary segment called on My Mind.
He said, I really enjoyed doing the podcast and working
at the station. The people there were great. I had
a sense that maybe it had run its course for
me creatively, and so when they said they were going
to have to make some cuts, it did feel like
that was a signal for me if I wanted to
take a buy out, that this was a good time
to do it so. On a personal level, Tomlinson wasn't
unhappy to be among the half dozen staff members trimmed
last month amid workforce cutbacks by WFAE, and to officially
close out his time with the station earlier this month.
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Speaker 1: I got a peat.
Speaker 2: Mail from Jay who points out layoffs are prevalent across
all sectors except government. Yeah, every industry, All businesses go
through and do this. It's it's necessary. It is necessary
to be constantly re examining your personnel. Do we need
this many people to do the work? Has the work
changed right? What's the environment now? Technological advances have you know,
made certain things superfluous or duplicative. You don't need it anymore.
So good businesses are always doing this. They're always trying
to find ways to save money. That's how you turn
a profit and stay in business, to keep employing all
of the other people that remain on the payroll.
Speaker 1: So yes, except for government.
Speaker 2: When something isn't working in government, it's you know, we
need more money and we have to hire more people.
Charlotte Observer had this story about Tommy Tomlinson leaving WFE
to apparently took the buy out and in the piece,
I'm I'm really sure this connection that they attempted to make.
Here there's a piece by theod and James. He has
a section in here where he quotes Glenn Berkins, who
is the editor and publisher of Q city Metro, and
he says we're not in a very good place. And
Q city Metro is a website, right, it's a according
to the Observer, the hyper local news site aimed at
a black audience. Black is capitalized because of course, must
adopt the left wing narratives. It's aimed at a black audience.
And he used to be a deputy managing editor at
The Charlotte Observer two thousand and eight. Among Berkins' most
daunting challenges right now is one that he has always had, actually,
but one that he says is being exacerbated by broad
anti dei sentiment currently being fostered by the Trump administration. Because,
of course, we must view this through the prism of
Donald Trump, he says. Media organizations that serve communities of
color struggle all the time, but then you add this
current environment, it just puts us even further in the hole.
Speaker 1: He says.
Speaker 2: Q City Metro has lost some advertising contracts this year,
which has led to budget cuts that have put his
staff down a couple of people.
Speaker 1: He currently has five staffers.
Speaker 2: None of the companies that decline to renew contracts have
come right out and said we're responding to the Trump administration.
They say, we are reevaluating our marketing. Our budgets have
been cut. But it would be a very big coincidence
if that was not a factor at all.
Speaker 1: Is it a coincidence? Though?
Speaker 2: Look, I've been in this industry for probably close to
thirty years at this point. That's what they tell us too.
When companies pull their advertising they say we're reevaluating our marketing,
we're cutting our advertising budget, we're making a move over
into this other platform. They're always look if you're dealing
directly with the business or if you're dealing with an
ad agency, they're always looking for ROI return on investment,
and if you can't deliver them the leads, they're not
going to keep advertising. They don't owe you advertising dollars.
So it's not a matter of it being a very
big coincidence. It's a business decision. And by the way,
this is happening all over all over the media landscape.
Money is moving from TV to digital I mean, and
by the way, the highest ROI spoken word formats such
as this right, such as this WBT and podcast now,
which is basically radio. So it's I've said, I've told
this story before that when I launched my own podcast
back in what was it, twenty twenty, and I started
reading a bunch of these podcast industry websites and stuff,
and they were offering advice on you.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you want to start a podcast, here's how
you do it. Whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm reading through this stuff and it's like everything they're
describing is radio. These are the things that you learn
in radio, And I said, well, if the podcast doesn't work,
I could just go be a consultant and tell other
people how to do their podcasts right, because what's the
old joke those who can do, those who can't teach,
and those who can't teach consult. So that's where that's
where I thought I would probably make my mark. Now,
Tommy Tomlinson in this piece, it says that he's going
to do some more writing. He may go back into
the audio world someday, but he says if he doesn't,
he'll miss the intimacy that audio has that I think
no other medium really has, in that it really does
feel like a conversation you're having with one person, even
if it's going out to potentially thousands of people. That
is correct, and that is the power of the spoken
word format. That's why the ROI is so high, because
I am having a conversation with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't hear what you're telling me unless
you text.
Speaker 2: On the WBT text line driven my liberty view of GMCA,
or you know, you email me or you call or whatever,
then we have a conversation. But when I do the show,
and all good hosts know this, you don't talk to
all the people out there listening, because I'm just talking
to you. That's the intimacy of this format, of this medium.
He goes on to say, when you're in front of
the mic just speaking into it, it feels like you're
writing a letter to someone you care about and it's
just for them, and you just want them to hear
it and to respond to it. So yeah, as one
who has been a consumer of spoken word format since
I was a kid, listening to NPR like that, to
me has always been the power of it. I've been
on the other side of the speaker, so I know
what that connection feels like. And anybody who listened to
Limbaugh knows that too, and Tommy gets it to his credit.
All Right, if you're listening to this show, you know
I try to keep up with all sorts of current events,
and I know you do too. And you've probably heard
me say get your news from multiple sources.
Speaker 3: Why.
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more transparent. This is from Andy, Hey Pete, great show
as always, Thank you, sir. I'm a plumber. I ride
around all day listening to talk radio in between jobs.
I stopped listening to the NPR affiliate in town here
a while ago. They are good on the weekends with
some shows on Saturday morning. Otherwise it's so left leaning
that I can't justify the time. Tomlinson was pretty good
twenty years ago, but then he's been a shill for
the left Okay. I play a game sometimes where I
tune in to NPR. Usually within thirty seconds someone will
make a DEI related statement or an anti Trump, anti
wright statement. It both infuriates me and makes me laugh personally.
If that's the narrative they want to push, that's fine.
I just don't want my tax money going to it.
It speaks volumes that the day to day listener and
supporters aren't willing to finance it. What's all that fundraising for?
Sorry about the long text you sparked the thought I
wanted to share it.
Speaker 1: Love what you do.
Speaker 2: No, I'm glad you wrote it like that's that's the point.
You can produce whatever content you'all want over there. And
Andy is exactly right. I have listened to NPR long
enough to know that all their stories are filtered through
the exact same prism. And when you view yourself and
all things through this prism, through this oppressed oppressor narrative,
that is the tendency for interpersonal victimhood, that is TIV,
a personality trait or disorder. And once you start thinking
like that, as you think of yourself as the perpetual victim,
then you can never break free of that thinking it
is just a destructive way to go through life. Don't
be a victim. To quote the late Dan Starks. Jonathan Turley.
A couple of weeks ago, we had a piece about
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting that it finally accepted death
over balance. It announced that, with the withdrawal of federal funding,
it would cease operations on September thirtieth. Despite the extraordinary
efforts of millions of Americans who called, wrote, and petitioned
Congress to preserve federal funding for CPB, we now face
the difficult reality of closing our operations. But Turley says
the autopsy will put this cause of death as self inflicted.
For almost sixty Republican presidents and conservative politicians have complained
about the overwhelming liberal bias at the CPB and its
supported programs, particularly NPR. For most of those years, the
CPB could shrug off the complaints. The Democrats controlled one
or both houses, or at least the White House. With
the political left solidly behind them, The corporation refused to
carry out even modest reforms. It simply gave the stiff
arm to every conservative effort to bring its programming back
to the middle of the political spectrum. I thought it
could still be forced to reform itself, he said. I
opposed the continuation of funding for NPR as a state
subsidized media outlet. It was not the pronounced bias of
NPR that I felt justified its termination. The country should
preserve a wall of separation between the government and the media.
That's why Turley was against government funding of this. But
the CPB is different. It funded abroad water array of
programming and could easily have corrected its course. All the
CPB had to do was refocus on programming to appeal
to the greatest cross section of the population, and to
decline to fund media programs like NPR that became more
strident and partisan year after year. It seemed that the
CPB was trapped within its own echo chambered existence. For them,
he says, the choice was clear between neutrality and nonexistence.
They grabbed a hemlock filled NPR pledge mug and drank deeply,
choosing death over social dishonor.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: This announcement was met with a course of whales and
lamentations from the left, But these are the same people
who preferred this option to reforming the CPP to serve
the greatest number of Americans. They had the opportunity. They
could have added shows, They could have put shows on
their network, They could have made shows available that would
have been the what it would have been appealing to
a larger portion of the population. But they couldn't bring
themselves to do it.
Speaker 1: They made it.
Speaker 2: NPR made the same choice a few years ago. It
was given the opportunity to select a new CEO who
would represent a serious centrist leadership for the failing news organization. Instead,
the board doubled down on that very bias, and they
picked Catherine Marr, who had a long history of inflammatory
political attacks on conservatives and was the very embodiment of activism. CPB,
just a few months ago came forward, could have come
forward with real reforms. Instead, it threatened legal action if
Congress refused to fund them. The irony is NPR is
likely to survive in a reduced form, but CPB is
laying off its entire state in a righteous, indignant huff.
None of these people needed to lose their jobs. If
leadership served their organization by listening to views beyond their
own insular circle of enablers, all right, that'll do it
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