Speaker 1: Sup put the stup's up. Fellow sac goes, I am
fly coming at you with the one he on me
certified his co host, mister Grant. Yet me, Draft Lottery,
We're gonna talk about the fallout, some of our biggest questions,
storylines coming out. They go through each team, mostly very
quickly to talked about all Julie, he said at nifel
or what do we expecting to do with the pick?
Before we get started? Though, now that we're a couple
of days removed from everything, Grant, why was the Nico
Harrison getting the.
Speaker 2: Number one pick?
Speaker 1: Anti Karma? Can you explain that to me?
Speaker 2: I think it was all part of a grand plan. Uh,
he deserves it, the maps deserve it. I can't imagine
why anyone would have an issue with this. Were you, like,
what was your reaction to the conspiracy chatter? Do you
if you have one?
Speaker 1: I'm just annoyed by it, but I just don't. I
don't think that they're rigging this. What would be the
benefit of having like the MAVs get the number one
just so Luca could be on the Lakers was kind
of the Hey, guess what they lost in the first
round was that scripted, Like, if it was scripted, why
are they losing in the first round? Why are we
if this was scripted, Let's be honest about the league office.
You and I don't care, well, we would love this series,
Like there's a possibility that there's just like an Indiana
Minnesota NBA finals, right, And I don't think that the
NBA would love that.
Speaker 2: I would say, if you were reading things, you'd probably
start with maximizing ratings for your playoff games for the
next TV deal. Yeah. No, I asked just because I
was like, I don't know. My reaction is always just, oh,
you're not a serious person. So you know, like if
that's your.
Speaker 1: Very did my own research eye?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's a great that's a great way to
put it. Yeah, Okay, having dispense with that, what part?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, can we I have to actually have
to ask a question first? Oh, great, look at who won?
If you're watching on YouTube, it's up on the screen.
The MAVs, the Spurs and the seventy six or is
the top three picks the Hawks won it last year?
When you're when they had on what was it a
one point eight or one point two percent chance or whatever?
It was. When you're looking at the new lottery system, grant,
do you think that it's broken or not having the
impact it's intended, or do you like the chaos of Oh,
the Jazz and the Wizards slept through this season and
they both end up with like the five and six
pick rather than a top three pick.
Speaker 2: So I've come across a lot of oh, it's this
is just confirmation that the flat and lottery odds are
a failure. Like this, you know, look a look at
the poor Jazz and the Wizards who tanked all year
and this is the result they get that. I guess
that's a separate issue, like whether that's fair to them.
What I all I would say with like total conviction
is this is achieving the desired result of lottery reform,
which is to discourage full season tanking for the absolute
worst records in the league. Because the teams that basically
did that, I mean, Charlotte, I guess came out the
best and it's got They've got the fourth pick. And
it's not like the Hornets necessarily went into this, like
I think Utah and and Washington were the more egregious,
Like of course they're tanking, right, So I would say,
like mission accomplished, whether that mission was like the right
one is. I just think like the reaction to the
process sixers created this this system, and this system is
discouraging more process like sixers tanking. Uh, it's had unintended consequences,
I guess. And you can feel bad for the small
market teams like Utah that maybe need the number one
pick more than others because they can't get talent through
the other channels. But I would just say, like, I
don't know, man, like look at look at who are
the five best players in the league this year. How
many of them were the number one pick. So it's like,
it's not you don't just need the number one picks,
you know, picking fifth, they're six. I know the odds
are slightly worse, you're getting your cornerstone there, but they're
not zero. And so I think I have almost no
problem whatsoever with these results. I'm fine with it. I
think it's good that it discourages full season tanking, and
I think teams just need to adjust now. I would
say lastly that it might make it so that the
question between a some might say, well, if we could
like make the playoffs versus be like Dallas and barely
and go in the play in and get smoked and
we get the number one. It's like, Okay, you can
organize your whole organizational philosophy around having a one point
eight percent chance at the top pick if you want to.
But I don't think that's going to pan out most times. Anyway.
Where are you on it? Like are you are you
with me that? Like this is working And it's just
a question of if you want it to work this way? Right?
Speaker 1: And I think it is working. And the reason I
don't largely I'd be open to other ideas, and like
keep Parish of the Fast Break Breakfast podcast has an
idea where it's when against certain teams, like it counts
as a point after the after the in season tournament,
and so those points help influence your lottery odds. I
still don't know that the outcome wouldn't be similar to
when you're looking at the team, like when you're looking
at the order of the lottery, like which teams had
the best odds or the not the not the best
odds with the outcome if anything like wouldn't have been
more likely if there was a point system based on
wins after the n season tournament that Dallas or San
Antonio or the Sixers, they wouldn't have like the Sixers
as an example, would have played maybe not jellemb but
there are other guys more and one more like they
might have won more games than the Jazz with their
current collection of players. With all that said, I'd be
open to change, but there are other ways to build
a winner than to just have the number one of
the number two pick. You mentioned some of it. Look
at some of the teams that are here. The Wizards
have Alex Sar and Bala Kulaba League, so like, it's
not like they're barren. The Jazz. Yeah, they don't have
a cornerstone type player. They have a bunch of assets
that they can go out and try to trade for one.
And so yes, it makes it harder. And I do
sympathize with the fans that they don't want to see
their team go all in and trade for a star
because they don't think they're going to stay in a
certain market. I think this forces front office is to
become more creative with rebuilding. Now Karmakley speaking like, I
wasn't in love with the top three, like I would
have preferred to have seen one of these teams get it,
or the Nets or the even the Pelicans, but like
this was the whole point and so maybe it kind
of as you mentioned, like could it cox teams into
making like shorter sighted decisions now where it's all these
lotteries don't matter as much. There is that unintended danger,
but this is more chaotic and the chaos was reinforced
where I don't know if you were watching the lottery live,
but the ESPN announcer said that the Sixers lost their
pick right because like there was just so many and
I kind of understood it. I saw that was like
I don't think that's right, but it's there's so much,
so many literal balls in the air at this point
that like it's hard to keep track of. So I
appreciate it, but I do if you're a Jazz fan,
if you're a Wizards fan, if you're a Nets fan, certainly,
like I get it, but like none of these teams,
like I guess the Nets and the Jazz come closest
to being barren, and they have Brooklyn's in New York.
They have a ton of cap space, a ton of assets,
and then the Jazz like they have just a ton
of assets, a ton of flexibility, and and some good players.
So if you want to go all in on somebody,
like make sure that they're under contract for a while
if you're worried about keeping them. So I'm not completely
dumping on the idea that, like I would have liked,
I want to see the bad teams like infused with
enough talent. But I don't necessarily think you should be
rewarded for deliberately tanking, right, I.
Speaker 2: Agree with that, And I think, like, if you want
to Devil's advocate this a little bit, it seems like
if what this is doing is discouraging like down to
the studs, tear down, rebuild type things, you might be
incentivizing teams to kind of hang out in the middle.
And all we ever do, we're very guilty of it.
I am of just like just ripping the bulls for
being unambitious and wanting thirty seven to forty two wins
and like, actually, maybe that's not a bad spot to
be if you can get up to the top of
the lottery, But again, the percentages are such that like
you should like that's not a viable strategy to try
to win thirty eight games and with a two percent
chance vault from whatever eleven to one or something. But like,
from a fan perspective, maybe you want your team to
be competitive night tonight, and maybe this encourages teams to
be like, you know what, let's try to win the
games we can win and just let the chips fall
where they may, and that's fine. Like the other thing, too,
is like the best odds anybody had to get number
one were fourteen percent, so like, well, welcome, welcome to math.
Like you, it was overwhelmingly unlikely that you Jazz or
you Wizards we're gonna get number one, like like your
odds are tiny, right, Like, so I don't know you
can really be that disappointed if you're any of these teams.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, could this and maybe diskews too
far into well is that Sam hinky ing it? But
could it force rebuilding teams to be more patient where
it's they don't like, you can't live and die by
every season because you're not guaranteed to get a top
three a top four pick. And so now you could
look at it two ways like, oh, well, now the
Jazz and the Wizards fans have to like labor through
all of this again maybe, but like that also might say,
like the Wizards, I think are a good example, like
they have Kolabali and Alex Are and bub Carrington and
Keishaan George the top two of those guys, like that
they might be good enough to be sort of your
directional guy. Sure, And so I just maybe this force
is more patient, like because the Jazz it was, Yeah,
this was their third year of kind of being here,
but like those first two, they had to kind of
blow up the team midseason because they were too competitive.
So if you want to go that route, I don't
think the NBA wants to see teams trying to lose
for a longer period of times. But when we're talking
about windows opening and shutting so quickly, maybe this is
kind of reminder that somethings take time, and rebuilding through
the draft is one of them.
Speaker 2: Right, Maybe you encourage continuity this way, like you give
your young core a little longer to like, because it's
not just like, wow, some of these guys are doing
for their second rookie deal or their rookie extensions or whatever,
and we're not good enough, so we're gonna just steer
back into the tank. Or like maybe it encourages patience.
I think it definitely encourages Like I feel like Will
Hardy has got to be like, all right, can we
can I try now? Can we like play some you know,
like because look what it got us and this season
sucked and we were playing with a hand tide behind
our back most of the year. Thanks for the extension.
I'm still being Will Hardy, by the way, but also like,
can I coach to win now? Would that be cool?
With the And I think like, if you're the Jazz,
I think that's the approach you have to take, is like,
let's do the let's put the best team on the floor,
and if the rookies developed great, If not, like okay,
then they weren't any good anyway, because if if we
got really great cornerstone pieces, they will emerge. It's not like,
you know, nobody could keep SGA down by being traded
and then by being on a bet like he figured
it out. So like, I just think I think there's
a possibility that this changes team behavior in a lot
of and a lot of like good ways. Maybe I
don't know, We'll still have tankers, but maybe maybe they
think harder about it and.
Speaker 1: If it's not good ways, it's certainly more chaotic ways,
because I think, look at this draft order, and we're
gonna get into that in a second. Anyone who's listening
to this podcast, don't pretend like you don't love off
season chaos like that is part of NBA fandom generally speaking.
You're looking at the teams that want some of the
top picks. Might they move them? But now you're also
getting the Jazz, the Wizards, the nets of it all.
Are they going to be more aggressive and trying to
make immediate upgrades because it didn't necessarily happen the way
they wanted it in the draft. And so if you
like offseason chaos, is promotes that. I don't think it's broken.
I'd be open to alternatives, but I buy and large
the MAVs winning the number one pick because I feel
for MAVs fans, it's sort of like, I get it.
That's the one that I'm just like Nico Harrison. Fire
him at least I don't want him to get in
control of Cooper flagg Er.
Speaker 2: You don't deserve this.
Speaker 1: Speaking of so the MAVs have the number one pick,
what the early reports are and there's never any you know,
disinformation grant that the Matters are going to keep this
pick and draft Cooper Flag, which runs totally counterintuitive to
what they were thinking when they prioritize Anthony Davis in
the Lukadancis trade. One of the most hilarious outcome not
from mass fans, but of all this be that they
trade the number one pick for Kevin Durant citing long
term aspirations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is going to force them to sort of
They're gonna have to at least say some things that
are pretty cognitively dissonant, Like they'll have to here's what
will happen. They're gonna really sell the idea of Cooper
Flag is ready right now. He's ready defensively to contribute
to a winning organization and like that's not gonna be
a lie, probably, but he's still a rookie. Yeah, they'll
have to really kind of talk out of both sides
of their mouths. They gotta take him right that you can't.
Speaker 1: I think you just have to talk to draft somebody
else doing hard.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean as opposed to trading it, I would agree,
But as Brian Windhorse said.
Speaker 1: Brian windh Horse reaction by the way, on NBA Countdown,
they about it, and his first reason was, Bro, that's
all like Brian Windhorse saying Bro was hysterical.
Speaker 2: Sounds like every kid elementary score right now.
Speaker 1: Bro that the MAVs have wanted Giannis for a while,
and so now you have sort of the trade chip.
And also it would cost more stuff than just the
number one pick. I'm assuming I think one of the
keys to it. I don't. I'm drafting Cooper Flag And
in some ways the Kyrie Irving injury does it kind
of help in a couple couple of different like areas
because now you can test unique Cooper Flagg to be
on the ball and playmates. Oh yeah, that's true, what
that is? And then I guess the one problem is
if you view him as a four, well, does that
mean Anthony Davis is a five? Or because you're gonna
put the ball in his hands, can he play with
Anthony Davis and Derek Lively.
Speaker 2: That is gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 1: I think they take the pick and keep him, but
I don't. I do think you have to ask yourself,
if you're Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving's injured, they now have
their you might have considered yourself the tenth poll of
the short and long term future. Cooper Flag is now
that I don't know. There's just they're being pulled in
a bunch of different directions, and it is all by
their own hands exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, Like the look thinking of the roster, it like
the very first thing I thought of was flags of four.
As far as we can tell, I don't maybe he
can play three on offense or whatever. But so then
like Andy Davis doesn't want to play center, and now
you also still have Derek Lively and Daniel Gafford and
he a t right like what it is it is
all their own fault, like for sure, And so I guess,
does any part of you feel bad for Flag? Be
like there are a lot of worst places he could
have gone, I guess, but like this is not ideal.
Speaker 1: No, And I don't know enough about him as the person.
But his reaction reminded me of remember when Joelle embiide
I think he ran behind, but during his work he
just looked miserable when like the results of it where
Now that's what Cooper Flag looked like in his interview. Yeah,
and look, I just don't trust the organization nor should you.
But I think Cooper flag fits this motif that I
would argue Nico Harrison is two married too, which is
defense championships when it's defense and offense, and the map
don't have enough of the ladder, but they have plenty
of size in the former, so they they are built
touck up a ton of games. But I just feel
like this is still sort of a pivot point to me,
where just wouldn't shot Like, now, do you look at
moving Anthony Davis if not over the offseason by the
trade deadline? Or would it even shock you if they
went out and traded for Giannis you're using the number
one pick?
Speaker 2: That would that would shock me? Well, I'd be more surprising.
The Anthony Davis trade is one I would be looking
at really hard. And it's just like you gotta fire
Harrison first and then bring someone else in to do that,
because it's just like, how is he gonna possibly make
that happen? Also, I don't want him executing trades after
the last one. But like that, the more I think
about it, the more moving Davis and resetting your timeline.
You know, even though we just talked about like how
you don't want to bottom out, Like, I don't think
you're bottoming out if you're built around Cooper Flag and
you still got Derek Lively there, like Lively Flag, that's fun.
Like that's a fun four or five for however long
it can stay together. I would look really hard at
trading Davis to balance out this roster, to get some offense,
get playmaking. Whenever Kyrie's back, fine, you decide what to
do with him contractually, then they'll pick up his player
option and just not play. But like, that's the most
intriguing path to me, is reorienting around a team that
does not have Davis on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, But what do you think is
more likely that they trade Anthony Davis or they trade
Cooper Flag or this pick? Uh?
Speaker 2: I think it is more likely that they will trade
Anthony Davis because I don't think you can, like you
just probably got the fans back, you know, like with
the Flag hype and hope and possibility. If you then
trade that for someone like you just next year can't
be your concern. You don't have Kyrie Irving. That's there's
that massive salary going nothing. I don't know that either
of them are super likely, but like, you just cannot
trade this pick.
Speaker 1: Now, let's say they are going to trade Anthony davis
Is salary plus the lakers twenty twenty seven first round
pick enough to get the thing I thought about though,
is because if you were getting in on the Yiannis
sweepstakes and you would have him and Anthony Davis, if
you were New Orleans and you know that Dallas wanted Joannis,
would you accept Derek Lively and Dallas's twenty thirty one
first round pick to then send out the Bucks' next
two first round picks to Dallas or Milwaukee so that
they're getting back control in twenty six twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Oh New Orleans. Yeah, New Orleans is in an interesting
spot home that in.
Speaker 1: Portland because Portland has twenty seven or excuse me, twenty eight,
twenty nine and thirty. Yeah, Like, if you're a team
that wants you honest, like Portland and New Orleans kind
of have like secret skeleton keys.
Speaker 2: I don't even think about that because when you're talking,
I'm working on offseason like chaos rankings, and it's just
like who can do the most crazy stuff. I think
New Orleans needs to be higher because they've got they
can be like, hey, you want these Bucks picks anybody?
They're looking pretty good the next couple of years. Yeah,
that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: That enough? Is that too much? I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is if you're the Pelicans and you say, well,
if they're gonna trade Gannis, they're gonna suck. We would
want to keep those picks. But if the Bucks aren't
getting their own picks back, I would assume they're prioritizing
a return that keeps the relevant in the intern while
then getting other teams as picks. So those picks are
gonna be inherently less valuable than you think they are
because the Bucks like they're more valuable to the Bucks
than anybody. And if the Bucks don't have them, they're
going to structure their future around not having them. So
they're not going to go into this and just be
the worst team in the league.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, And again we just spent time talking about
how that's not a bankable strategy particularly anymore, Like you
don't want to just I will bought them out, but
at least we got our own picks. That's not it's
not yielding results lately. Yeah, that's fascinating. I don't know.
I actually think the number two pick is more likely,
is extremely likely to be traded.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. But the last question I wanted
to ask you, is there any like, if you're just
in Dallas's position in knowing what they're trying to do,
is there any player that you would think, like, is
there a mega deal where it's like you're giving up
the number one and other stuff and getting Devin Booker
and Kevin Durant and maybe you're sending out Kyrie Irving
in that or is it like or even if it
was just Devin Booker, is there a player that would
convince Because Giannis, in theory, is good enough to say, hey,
you're trying to win now, this makes sense, but he
also kind of doesn't check enough the boxes that the
MAVs need without Kyrie Irving at.
Speaker 2: Least, So if I'm in charge, I won't speak to
what the people that are actually in charge would do.
If I'm in charge of the guys that are realistically
available that I think I could get, like, I don't
even know that you could. I guess you probably could
get Yannis with this number one pick. Would if they
have the best offer, which is a stretch maybe to
considering what else some of these other teams could offer.
I think Giannis is someone that maybe I would look at.
And I'm then trading Davis most likely in that hypothetical,
in a separate deal and the number one, Yeah, in
separate deals, just because I'm trying to like, we got you, honest,
let's let's what can we do now?
Speaker 1: But but I trade it for Devin Booker.
Speaker 2: I don't think so about Jalen Brown. I would do
it for Booker before I would do it for Brown
because then you're just because then you have if you
have Booker and Davis and two other guys that play
center and no Kyrie for a year. I guess Booker
and Davis is a core that could get you pretty far.
But like, how long is Davis gonna hold up? I
don't know. I just want the I just want Flag.
I think it would take a lot, like it would
take a ridiculous amount to get me to trade this pick.
Speaker 1: The right decision is to take Flag, But I'm torn
between do I trust the matters to make the right
decision and is this the organization that I'm going to
trust to maximize because if they're the way to maximize
Flag is not necessarily trying to throw him into this
immediate timeline, is to give him the time and space
to develop, and maybe the Kyrie injury forces them to
do that. But as long as Anthony Davis is on
this team, and you're looking at what Nico Harrison said
after that, so just one of the I think probably
the most bizarre team that could have possibly won this lottery,
right maybe Philly, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I mean Philly, Philly would just
be a it'd be simple. They needed a four forever,
like they just they just throw them out there. He's great, like,
that's yeah. Dallas is by far the weirdest.
Speaker 1: So we move on to the Spurs, who get a
look when when I saw they like jumped and then
they weren't number four, I was just like, oh my god,
they're gonna get Cooper flag, which is they didn't need it,
and I wouldn't say they deserve, doesn't have anything to
do with it, but that would have been something I
would have loved, Oh, Cooper flag, whatever, Like from a
basketball perspective, they get number two, and I think you
were getting into this. It would be very Unspurs like
to move this pick. But if you're like if Dylan
Harper is the pick, you have the Aaron Fox there,
you have to have castle this. The Spurs to me
suddenly feel like the favorite to land Giannis because of
having the number two pick.
Speaker 2: And they're also my favorite landing spot for Giannis. So
I'm really like trying to speak that one into existence
because Flag would have been cooler, I think, just because
all Flag and Wimby for you know, ten years or whatever.
But Yiannis and Wimby is like I would very much
like to see that. And I don't know, I don't
know if they'll have the best offer, but I think
the Spurs can get real close, and especially if you
assume Janis gets some say in it, like he's I
think if I'm him, I wanted I would prefer going
to San Antonio over Houston. I just like people could disagree, but.
Speaker 1: And I think they could have the best This is contingent,
I guess on a lot of teams, but like when
you look at Dallas might have enough. But like if
the Spurs wanted to go out and reacquire some of
Milwaukee's own picks, like they have this stuff, yeah, to
go do it?
Speaker 2: Yep, and like they also like, I don't know, do
you do the Bucks want to Aaron Fox because we
could like I don't think. I guess, like, if you're
trading this pick and you would have assumed it was
harper than Fox, you just do hang on to him.
But like there's a lot of I mean, you could
trade Castle. Would the Bucks be interested in Castle? Is like, hey,
there's this new guy who is the face of the franchise. Like,
I mean, there's definitely lots of different ways the Spurs
could make this happen.
Speaker 1: I think you need to prioritize keeping one of and
I'm assuming the number two pick goes out, so then
you need to prioritize keeping one of Castle or Fox
just to have that you could bring Chris Paul back
shirt trade Jones back, but you want someone else who,
in theory is working from a guard spot or a
wingspot that can handle the ball right. And if you
give up both Castle and Fox, like well, then I'm
hoping you're keeping the number two picks like they to
be fair, Like in theory, the Spurs could have had
a great offer, very honest without the number two picks.
So if that they decide you know what, Dylan Harper
is the guy will move Fox and Castle and other
stuff and get Maybe they could, but I think you
need to prioritize keeping at least one of those three
sure assets.
Speaker 2: If you had to choose between keeping Fox and whatever
he's going to extend for or Castle, what are you
which way you're gone?
Speaker 1: Oh, if Jannie is on the team, Nis is on
the team, I'm probably going with keeping Fox. I trust the.
Speaker 2: Shooting for it. Yeah. And also then you're also wrestling
with the like, you know, because the Castle would be
the long term play, the like we're projecting improvement and
by twenty twenty seven he's gonna be really great, and
Fox will is already kind of on the decline maybe,
like but we just we've spent plenty of time talking about, like,
you can't mess around with these windows. If you have
Wemby and Giannis, like everyone else on the roster can
be thirty four years old, and it makes sense, like
that's that's that's probably the way you gotta go.
Speaker 1: I do you think though, that the like the expense
of it all, because now all of a sudden you
have Giannis on his deal, Fox gonna be on his extension,
then you all like Victor is eventually going to be
on his Supermax. Do you like is that in the
back of your mind at all to where well, maybe
it makes more sense to move to Aaron Fox because
Steph Castle is still cost controlled.
Speaker 2: I think like, if you have Giannis and Wimby, you're
trying to win the championship today, I think even starting
next year. So like if you could trade someone, if
you could trade Fox for someone that was slightly better
than him but older and more expensive, you probably should
do it, like just because you're trying to do it
right now, right Like, I think that's that's the mentality
the Spurs should have.
Speaker 1: And I would say what happened in Boston with the
Jason Tatum injury is kind of just the reminders that
you go for it when you think you can get it. Yeah,
is there can they have the best of all worlds
where it's do they look at what if they just
traded for Kevin Durant and like used this pick Because
you're not trading number two for Kevin Durant. I don't
think you're trading a bunch of other stuff, do you?
Because it's the Spurs and now Greg Popovich still the
team president, and I like how much say he's gonna
have the decision making. Trading the number two Fick pick
feels like the aren't Fox acquiring him even though it
was a modest cost that felt brash.
Speaker 2: Right or the Spurs don't do that.
Speaker 1: They have not historically, so I almost wonder like they
could get there with said they have Devin Bessell and
Harrison Barnes and Kelvin Johnson a bunch of other picks.
They just decide, we're really gonna like blur the fuck
out of all these timelines, and we're gonna have Castle
and Wemby and Fox and KD and the number T pick.
Speaker 2: That's they have so many ways to go. So the
more we talk about this, they have to be the
honest team they like. I think they can win the
bidding war, I think, And I think they should be
the most motivated to do it. I'd like, and I
think the upside is highest because Yiannis on Houston, Well,
are we forgetting anybody else?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Besides that, Giannis might realistically go to the Knicks. Okay,
the Nick sure, I just kidding.
Speaker 1: I just think Thunder would be like if they end
up losing to the Nuggets. The Thunder would be a
team that, like, we're the teams that I think you
could look at and say, would have the assets to
just get it done and maybe get Milwalkee back some
of their own picks or give them enough assets and
like player equity to where the Bucks are okay shorting
everybody else is future and rebuilding that way. Houston to
okay See in San Antonio right.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I think, I mean okay See is just
like its own species of team. I don't know what
to do with them. I just I even going to
the San Antonio. If I'm honest, I'm just I'm getting
on board. I'm trusting the Whimby thing is gonna be special.
I want, I think to someone like Giannis that's spent
all this time like being hyper loyal to one organization,
I think he might like the San Antonio, like I
don't know, legacy like that kind of thing might appeal
to him.
Speaker 1: What would you think is so if you had to
rank the outcomes of them keeping the pick, them trading
it for Yannis, or them keeping the pick and then
trading like, let's flame it this way. Let's assume they're
doing something. Are they more likely to trade this pick
and go for Jannest or keep this pick and trade
for Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2: I think they would be more likely to trade the
pick and go for Jannis because that like Durant's age,
the like I just we're talking win now, but like
Katie's at the point where it's like we're how much longer?
Really can he be that at that level? And like
the last couple of years in Phoenix, do not recommend
him well as like someone that Wemby, if he needs this,
can look to and be like that's who I'm modeling
my like approach after and my like mentality all that stuff.
Like Giannis is the guy where he'd be like just
watch him go lift with him and like see, you know,
approach things like he does that. That's that's another thing
I think dispershou value in you, honest.
Speaker 1: Just there are so many outs and options. You said, yeah,
next team up, number three, the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
Now Darryl Moury, who according to James Harden, has never
told a lie, said that they intend to keep the pick.
M hm, I don't. I don't like it's the Ace
Bailey or the Dylan Harper pick. It seems like I
don't what did the Sixers do here?
Speaker 2: So I would give them two options. One is you
keep the pick and you use it and you pick
the player available because you need a rookie scale deal
to offset your long term commitments. And like, I don't
think it's a part of a win now package for
another veteran or like, cause I I really don't like
Ace Bailey and I don't know that he's gonna wind
up being the third pick. But I might trade down
if anybody's interested in moving up, like I think. I
think if you could trade down a few spots and
pick up some other asset, that's what I would look at.
But I don't want to if I'm the Sixers use
this pick in a package unless it's like helping me
get off of embiads deal in like a broader reset,
I don't. I don't want to trade it away just
for like, oh, we got a seventh man or something,
you know what I mean? Like, I don't. I don't
like that approach.
Speaker 1: The trading down is interesting or even just is there
a scenario where, I mean, like Brooklyn really wanted to
be in the top three I'm sure, and they have
Philly's pick in twenty twenty eight right as of now,
So do you trade, like is there a package there
where it's what is it number eight plus the Sixers
twenty twenty eight pick for this number three pick?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: The salaries gets complicated, but maybe can you shoehorn Cam
Johnson in there at all? Would be a really good.
Speaker 2: Fit, that'sz Yeah, yeah, I I well of the options given, like,
don't you think it's most likely they keep the pick
and just use it? That feels like I know more
is not to be trusted, but like I feel like
that is that makes a lot of sense?
Speaker 1: Does it get more interesting? And for some reason, Dylan
Harper is still on the board because that's okay, we
have Maxi and Grimes and McCain and Dylan Harper.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I think I just because of the
positional glut, like that makes.
Speaker 1: It hard overlap.
Speaker 2: No, I would say, I know, yeah it is, but
do you how much do you care? And then like yeah,
I don't know. I feel like, uh, after I wonder
how I'm gonna feel about because I one and two
is like all right, it's just it's just flag and
Harper and then after that, I feel like I feel
like Bailey is going to be a very polar and
maybe already is like a really polari.
Speaker 1: Maybe would there be a structure Philly calls number three
and Joel Embiid for the number one pick plus salary
from Dallas. Dallas has to say no writer ors and
ne go like, oh Davis Embiid, like that might realize it.
Speaker 2: I mean, how good is Joel Embiid on defense?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Does is that all the matters?
Speaker 1: I just don't more even said this like the sixers
are such a wildcard because of Embiid's health specifically, I
think you almost have to keep this pick because you
want to give yourself the ability to if we need
to pivot into a future of just built around Tyrese MAXI.
Then plus who is it McCain, is it Grimes? Give yourself?
Is it gonna be you know, Ace Bailey or dealing
whoever they wind up with you? Just I think you
need to give yourself. It's not more bites at the Apple,
It's just more exit ramps based off.
Speaker 2: Embi Well, and like it's a little weird. Don't you
think that you know you've got major commitments financially to
EMBIID George and Maxie, and so you should value a
guy who might actually contribute in a year or two
at a on a rookie scale deal. But like does
EMBIID have a year or two? Like like when when
is the good embed year? If ever gonna happen going forward?
Like they might be gone, but there might you know,
two years from now might be better than next year
if he stays healthier and doesn't have to have another surgery.
Like you do need production on the cheap and this
pick could get it for you. But like, I don't
know how many second year guys really can fulfill, Like
I don't know, like a starting role on a on
a really good team. It's just it's a weird needle
to threat.
Speaker 1: Does Charlotte Hornets end up at number four? I don't
hate this spot for them, Like it could just be VJ.
Edge Comb or Ace Bailey. I feel like will be
the three or four, Like I kind of plus Brandon
Miller and LaMelo I love that setup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it too. It makes I mean, they're
pretty easy because unless it's like I guess, you know,
Harper won't be there. But someone that's like oh, he's
our primary ball handler. Assuming LaMelo is around, Like, you
don't drave that guy?
Speaker 1: Probably right if you were to like they kind of
needed to end up in number two, if you were
hoping for their offseason chaos to be because the Cooper flag,
you just pair with LaMelo and Brandon Miller figured out.
But if it was Dan Harper, maybe that gave you
something like, oh, should we trade LaMelo? So they needed
to end up maybe in two or three. I feel
like to have made it, but this Cooper flag, this
would have been a fun destination him and LaMelo and
Brandon Miller would have been super fun for sure.
Speaker 2: Do you think I I do you think this pick?
And certainly you're right had it been too oh man,
this is our ticket. We can move LaMelo and like
just reorient around a new lead guard. Like at four,
it almost feels like if you're gonna trade LaMelo, this
doesn't having the number four pick doesn't like move it,
move the needle one way or the other. I feel
like they're either gonna do it because it's the right call,
or you're not. It's not gonna have anything to do
with this pick, correct.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like none of the teams in front
of them for plus LaMelo Man four plus LaMelo for
number one, maybe include other stuff in there. I mean,
if if Dallas is all about the now, LaMelo's young,
I don't know what you're thinking about him and Kyrie
moving forward, but him and Davis are kind of an
intuitive fit.
Speaker 2: I think you're getting an additional fan revolt if you
do that in DEU I'm assuming. I'm just let's let's
go for it.
Speaker 1: I'm just what's the Fox News line. I'm just asking questions, Brah,
just asking questions.
Speaker 2: Number five.
Speaker 1: I think this is just when you're looking at like
what team needed a franchise centerpiece the most? Statistically they're
at five, Like that's not some huge outlier? Is this
the most painful result? Like for a fan base is
just Utah's now in Like they're not in Edgecomb or
Bailey or Harper let alone flag territory. It's oh Trey
Johnson or Jeremiah fears Konkanerpole.
Speaker 2: I don't like I was going to say, I've seen
Nipple mocked as high as four, and if the shoe
fits just you know, hopefully falls to five. He's not
going to go that high. But a lot of smart
people think he's going to be a really good pro
that works.
Speaker 1: Could you see if like the top four are off
the board, unless I don't have Trey Johnson, I don't
have strong thoughts on any of these guys aside from
Cooper Flag yet, but begun my draft prep. Like, unless
you feel strongly about trade Johnson, do you think there's
a chance just Utah, Okay, they're heading into year four
of their rebuilds, still don't have a clear cut quarterstone.
Could they just be a team that's just like putting
this pick on the table, like seeing what's out, or
like making a trade to maybe accelerate their process a
little bit. Or No, you don't think that would be
Danny Ainge's style. They just they well will hardy the
whole nine.
Speaker 2: It depends on how committed they are to whatever process
they're following, because you would have to look at these
last few years and say, like, all right, guys, we
got to start trying to win now, because this whole
like you know, one foot in, one foot out a
couple of years ago and actually trying to tank. We're
not getting the guys we need. Let's just trade for
one I mean, the best player they've acquired recently is marketing,
and that's someone that they traded for. So I think
I think I don't think you could rule that out
and say that's just not what the Jazz are doing
because they've been doing one thing for three years now
and it's not it's not getting you anywhere. What do
you think about them? Like, can you pack this pick
with marketing and like try to move up? Uh, you
probably can't get number one, but like you could if
I don't know, if you're not sure about.
Speaker 1: The Spurs, if you did that with the Spurs because
lowry marketing and Victor but Yama's well, we're gonna would
it fit than him? And you honest to be honest, yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that fit.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, I mean just the shooting would
be scary. I don't know that there's there's a lot
of I mean maybe that's the other thing. The Spurs
could just get marketing without trading number on number two
or anything else, Like if they want them, they can
have them.
Speaker 1: Would you trade number five for Lamelow if you were
in Utah?
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting? Uh yeah, I think so. Not not
knowing a ton about the you know, two through fifteen
of this draft, but yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: Do you think this spot makes it more or less
likely that marketing trade is on the table for Utah
in the off season?
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know how. I don't know that it
affects it that much because I was like kind of
poking around. Is it a tool to move him? I
don't know if you need to attach like I don't
know if we've reached the point with marketing where you've
got to attach like super high level assets to trade
his to trade him. So I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't you might as well keep him since you're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: Our next team, the Wizards, coming in at a number six,
I mean this is they would have been. I mean
you have Kulabali Saar and Cooper Flagg would have been
a heck of a defense, heck of a defensive core.
I'ming sure this team I'm like low key fascinated by
for this offs where I wouldn't I'm not predicting they
would trade this pick, but it's okay, Like we've now
gone through three years of getting the high draft picks
here do they look at like like just something like,
are they trying to accelerate their process in any sort
of way to where I don't think their biggest need
to me feels like still a floor general and maybe
like I don't know, Jeremiah Fears should probably still be
on the board here, but I don't know if there's
enough of like, yeah, is Trey Johnson that guy's even
still on the board. I'm just curres. I just the
old Wizards. I would have expected to be like, oh,
they're gonna do something yea reckless or aggressive, But I
think that under Will Dawkins and Michael Winger, they're going
to continue to stay the course. They'll use this pick.
They will continue to and fiddle on the margins. Maybe
they'll take on some more bad money and they can
use like are they finding a taker from Marcus Smart's
expiring contract? Is does Chris Middleton pick up his player option?
But I think this is just sort of yeah, they
wanted a higher pick, but this I don't think is
going to materially change their plans in any way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My first I will say sorry, I think it does
increase the importance of both Kolabali and Alex Aar And
then I agree.
Speaker 2: I think my my very first thought when they fell
was just like, well, this makes it simple. This is
just best player available, let's move let's move on. Like
that's you know. The Wizards have what feels to me
like a really long leash and and they can just
I don't think they need to accelerate anything or or
do anything a conventional rebuilder like would not do.
Speaker 1: Next up at number seven, the New Orleans Pelicans, which
the most interesting thing about all this. Yeah, they fell
to seven quote unquote they fell. There was a three spots,
but well tip to where their record was Zion Williamson
being on the day, Like, what do you make of that?
That was?
Speaker 2: I mean, the the the obvious takeaways. While they're not
trading that guy, they just put him front and center
right like I that that feels very strange, like very
like of like why even like do you think he
wanted to do that? Like it it seems like maybe
he did.
Speaker 1: Did he miss like his way in and he checked
in over and they're like, look, we're gonna overlook this
if you just go represent them.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand. Uh So could it just be
that they're the Pelicans are projecting like this is our guy. Still,
Like what of course we sent him? Like why what?
This is the face of the franchise, no no issues here.
Speaker 1: Do you think it would be cruel if they sent
him and then just moved him? Yeah, yeah, would be Well,
I don't know cruels what I would describe it if
he asked for out, it's different. But by like all reporting,
it hasn't been. It hasn't come to that, right, And
I just I was not expecting I don't pay attention
to like the drama of everyone probably had these lists
already and knew I wasn't paying attention. I saw him
on there, I was like, oh shit, Like that is
not what I was expecting.
Speaker 2: You you just hired Joe Dumars, right, Like he's I'm
I'm sure I've seen Joe Dumars represent teams before, Like,
just send Joe Dumars. He's the he's the new face.
Like why I don't. One of the weirdest parts of
the whole whole lottery, for sure, is that Zion was there.
Speaker 1: Now how close. If you're keeping Zion, you're still just
keeping this pick, right, You're not Like in especially with
Jehan Deay Murray injured you're not under an angst to
move anybody. I was gonna ask, though, well, what I
guess you get answered my question? If Dallas came to
you and said, we'll give you our twenty thirty one
pick and Derek Lively for those two Bucks picks, the
swap and the like whatever to send those one, would
you do it as New Orleans?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Those Bucks picks are pretty valuable. I
do like Lively. I think I'd probably hold onto the
Bucks picks honestly, fair, Now.
Speaker 1: How close are we if they I don't know really
what their plan would be from here, but if how
close are you? You offer the Bucks their picks back?
And Zion Williams Injuriannis attend to Kupo like, how close
are you get? Like it's oh, you also have a
centerpiece and you get your next two draft picks back.
The centerpiece, of course, is injury prone.
Speaker 2: But you've got those not those partial guarantee protections and
all the whatever the voiding clauses are on Zion. I
think that gets scuttled by Giannis saying like I don't
want to go to New Orleans. You gotta do better
than that.
Speaker 1: Now, what if you're the Bucks and you don't care
because like if you're Portland and New Orleans comes to you
says how many of those like Bucks picks can we
get for Zion And all of a sudden you're turning
around and let's say you're giving the Bucks back to
their next four draft picks.
Speaker 2: Well then, oh man, yeah that would be Well again,
we just spent time talking about like how much. Yeah,
it's nice to have control, but like you can never
guarantee that those picks are going to be gonna get
you the cornerstones. I wonder if that's going to be
like a thought in the back of a lot of
teams' minds. Four of your own first back again, Giannie
is going to have control, but like maybe you you
talk them into it. I don't know. Or there's a third.
Speaker 1: Team when they use this pick, I hope they bring
in some shooting or I guess you could make the
case they need like another playmaker type, so Jeremiah for
years could fit. But I don't know, what do you
shoot like twenty eight percent at school?
Speaker 2: So from Philly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was the most fascinating thing to come
out of this for me, was I on Williams and
being on the day like that was strange. Number Eight
the Brooklyn Nets, This is rough. I mean, they have
a two year window on which to tank. But what
I've been telling people when they ask me about it,
they owe their twenty twenty seven pick to Houston and
then it just they have all their own picks. So
it's just like kind of a you have to suck
it up for one year. But this is still not
what they set out to do. When you mentioned the
trade up with Philly, like this feels like that's what
I would be exploring it, Like the Net should be
open to anything. I don't know if you saw the
reporting though from Brian Lewis to the New York Post
that they're like ready to pounce on you. Honest, I
did see that they can trade thirteen first round picks
this summer, which is insane. But like, if none of
those are the Bucks's own picks, they need players, and
the Nets just don't have players that are gonna help
Milwaukee direct the next phase they're rebuild, and ultimately, for
the amount of picks you would have to give up
to either get the Bucks back their own picks or
just give a viable package that just feels no, don't
do that, Brokelyn, like, because you still need to put
so much in place after ay, honest trade.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. And from Yanni's perspective, like big market,
that's cool, Like I think it seems like Jordi Fernandez
is well, you can never tell I to say it
seems like the right coach, but it's like it's very
different to coach a team that has no expectations. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know that you have enough
as Brooklyn if you add Yannis to this group, like
you're still like you're still just looking for two or
three other high end players to put around.
Speaker 1: One of Claston or Cam Johnson's going out to Milwaukee
as well.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's almost it's pretty close to like blank
slate territory if you add Giannis and then it's like, well,
how many picks did it cost to get him? And
then what do we have left to build a roster? Immediately,
I think it makes more sense. I keep just viewing
this from Yannis's perspective because I do think he's gonna
have an immense amount of agency over over this, or
at least I feel like the Bucks I feel like
the Bucks will grant.
Speaker 1: Him that if you were Brooklyn, would you do something
like that where it's giving up eight and that six
Ers twenty twenty eight first rounder to move up to
number three?
Speaker 2: That makes sense for them, doesn't it? Like I just
maybe you're getting the again. I don't love three if
it's Bailey, but maybe it's not, and then you get
something akin to a cornerstone. I think they are a
team that makes sense to move up. I don't know
if I feel that way about a lot of these
other like later lottery teams.
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. Number nine, the Toronto Raptors. I
don't really know what to make of the director they
have brandon ingram to manual quickly Hen Scottie Barnes and RJ.
Barrett Yakam pertole. Number nine feels like a vehicle through
which you can look at it and say they're gonna
get pretty expensive, so this is a cost controlled rotation
player hopefully, or you could frame it as they're kind
of under pressure to make a pretty big jump, and
do they look at moving this pick and seeing if
they can get what in here? Different type of five
that maybe stretching the floor just more floor spacing in general,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like they played significant or they gave
significant minutes, like four different rookies last year between like
Shed and Mobo and jameson Battle and Jacobe Walter didn't
play quite that much, but down the stretch he was
he was showing up a lot more. I'm sure, probably
even forgetting somebody, so like you do have some cost control.
I don't know if those any of those guys are
gonna be good enough to like feature in like a
rotation of a good version of the Raptors, but yeah,
they they If you're gonna be built around Ingram Barnes
quickly on those numbers, you kind of do need to
just hope that number nine turns into somebody that's in
the rotation. I guess this doesn't it feel like it's
it's May, and it's already like the twenty five twenty
six feeling on the Raptors is already like I don't
have a sense of this team, right.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they like would you do
number nine for Christops? Porzingis so be number nine? And
salary is that too rich with Porzingis his injury history
going in the final year of his deal.
Speaker 2: Probably too rich, I mean a little bit. You'd have
to be pretty sure Porzingis was gonna hold up, which
you I guess you can't be. But like, he makes
a lot of sense on this team.
Speaker 1: Would this be a good Anthony Davis team if the
MAVs decided to shop him.
Speaker 2: If you keep yaka Purtle, then he gets to play
power forward. I guess.
Speaker 1: Number ten they don't need it. They should trade this
pick because I don't know how this we couldn't even
get from Shepherd playing time. What do we do at
number ten? The Rockets that would have been another while
had they just won the lottery, by the way, with
the Sun's pick, would have just been hysterical. But then
Cooper flag to this team would have just been stupid.
Speaker 2: God you should I'm not.
Speaker 1: We talked about go check out our Rockets offseason. Look
at we were kind of if the right opportunity to
go all and presents itself, do it, yep. But I'm
not saying they need to use this pick to do that.
But I'm absolutely looking at this pick forget about a star,
but like, can we get some more offensive creativity shop
making floor spacing, in here. What can you get with
this pick? Is what I'm immediately asking myself if I'm Houston, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's the right way to approach it, just because
of the glut of young players coming do for extensions,
some of which have already signed them, and it's like,
you're not You're already way over indexed on like youngish
and very young guys that we are hoping develop into,
you know, like bona fide playoff starters. Some of them
have like you, and I don't know what you're getting
at ten. Yeah, this needs to be part of a package,
to a trade package, or you're trading a bunch of
other guys, I guess, and like clearing the decks because
you really like whoever you get at ten, But that
seems unlikely.
Speaker 1: Would you do number ten in jail and Green for Desmond?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Doesman? Bain's value feels kind of towards It's low
right now, doesn't it. But I guess you're I probably
would say that about Jalen Green too. Uh. Yeah, I
think I think I would. I mean, Bain is just
so much. I mean, if you guys look less reliable
as like a high end scorer than Green, right now.
So I think you probably do that if you're the Rockets.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of like what would be
like the not all in move for them that like,
like who's another guy that sort of checks that box
for them?
Speaker 2: Bain is right in the in the wheelhouse there, who
else is in the Bane tier of players, like someone
like well, even he doesn't really address like what you
know what I mean. I mean, first of all, I
guess we're just forgetting the read Shepherds going to run
the show next year and they won't need a playmaker.
Speaker 1: I want them to trade so many however many players
they usually open up playing time for reed Shepherds. Like
that's my off season agenda for the Rockets.
Speaker 2: That's that's you know what. We all have our we
all have our our interests.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're a team where it's like we're not
playing necessarily keeper trade, but it's I have no interest
in them adding. I mean they can also say though,
like we need another cost control the guy because all
these players are about to get paid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I mean, I think we definitely are
aligned on like they gotta just get somebody in that
upgrades the offense and a tenth pick isn't going to
do that.
Speaker 1: Well, here's not the move, but here's about you, said
Bain Tier, a player hat tip I forgot already. The
YouTube commenter that said it it was before the lottery,
said would you give up Jaalen Green plus the Sun's
pick for Tyler Hero?
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, imperfect guy, but like fits what
they need for sure, and you could cover for him.
Uh yeah, I think I might do.
Speaker 1: That interesting discussion. I feel like my guess would be
Rockets fans say not to both of the things we proposed. Yeah,
well number eleven, mister Hughes, the Trailblazers I just too big,
too good on defense, and yet they're sort of This
doesn't hurt because I still think I honestly, I'm gonna
be brutal, honest now rather than a lie to you,
grant you all the time.
Speaker 2: There's really one of those times.
Speaker 1: Scoot Henderson is the only possible bite at the cornerstone
apple they have. I don't see it from Shadon Sharp.
I can't get there. If you think he's gonna be
the best player on a contender, I think it would
be I guess if you're playing the odds, you could
say this team does not have the best player on
a contender right now, so checking in eleven kind of sucks.
At the same time, what have we said about them
since the preseason? They just have so many dudes?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if they look at moving this
pick to try and make more of an immediate jump
based off how they finish the season, because they have
the potential right now to be so good defensively, Like
they're just so big, so versatile defensively. Does number eleven
and what get you someone who comes in and really
jazzes up the offense a little bit?
Speaker 2: Or can you use eleven to get off of some
of the salary you don't want? Like, is Brooklyn you
can't use number eleven to do that?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: Right? I don't know if it's it's like, hey, Brooklyn,
you can have eleven and uh YEA was gonna like
eleven and Jeremy Grant already Brooklyn's like, sorry about eleven.
Speaker 1: And Jeremy Grant for Camp Johnson. That's just not that's
too much for Brooklyn to be like, yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think it's enough. Aiden's the next game on the list.
Can you go eleven and eight into Brooklyn for like,
you can't get eight back out of that, right, Like
because Brooklyn is gonna say, like, we're doing you a favor.
Speaker 1: Why are we? Why would Brooklyn move back just to
get dere Aighton.
Speaker 2: When they trying to get get an anchor in there
that can't make can't dunk. Yeah, I don't know what
you do with this. This is I guess it's disappointing,
but I just I like Portland so much that it's
like they've you know, they weren't gonna they weren't in
position to get a cornerstone in this draft anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, this is this may have been the most
ethical team, like in terms of not just does their
fan base deserve it, because you could make cases for
Jazz Wizards, like this was a team that never threw
in the towel until like the final final, they were
around the plane for a while. This would have been
the most ethical lottery winner, I think.
Speaker 2: Right, and because they got to have it both ways,
Like they played the young guys because the young guys
were driving success and.
Speaker 1: The older guys were injured. You gotta take that's that's
I think those clubs out of Chuncy Billbs' bag next
season like that. I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have been fine with winning the lottery.
That would have been exciting. Although even like flag isn't well,
we'll see, I don't know what he's gonna be off.
Speaker 1: But you talk about their defense if they had flagged
any AFDIA flag and clinging what's that flag number twelve?
You're in the end here the Chicago Bulls speaking of
inethical or unethical whatever whatever. I mean, I think this
is just like kind of they're gonna pay Josh Giddy
and try and be right back here again next year.
I guess, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: And just probably will Like that's just where we are.
I don't have a lot to say about them. They're
they're I don't know. Yeah, maybe you trying to think
like who you package who.
Speaker 1: He's more likely to trade their pick to try and
make an upgrade Portland or Chicago.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Is Chicago getting like a
little saner uh what?
Speaker 1: Based off what? Because they over valued their own picks
in the zach Lavine trade? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably not because they did just that. The Patrick Williams
and the not trading Booch. Uh, So I would say
Chicago has to be more likely to trade this pick
for win.
Speaker 1: Now it would be like, I just don't. I'm trying
to look at like, where do they have? Jace Richardson
has been a popular one for them, but he's like
another shooting guard point guard, just with Kobe. If they
go that, you have to go best player available. So
if he's there and he's on your board, but like
you're about to play Josh Giddy Kobe, why he's gonna
be up for a new deal, sooning you have Iowa
Summu and Lonzo Ball. I don't. Yeah, I'm I'm not happy.
I like Bulls fans, so I'm not happy they didn't
win the lottery. But this team did not deserve to
win the lottery. They need an organization itself did not
deserve to Would you rather the Bulls win the lottery
or the Mavericks. The Bulls like the I'm sorry he
now had for the Bulls, I trace it a lot better.
While the ownership in Dallas sucks too, So never mind. Yeah,
I think I'm more annoyed that Dallas did it because
they just were sacro sank in the way that they
handled the Luca.
Speaker 2: Don just too Yeah, and it's also just not that
interesting if the Bulls win it though, it's just like okay,
we'll take Cooper flag and then what is this team still?
You know?
Speaker 1: And also like the bull to the Bulls of defense,
like they were ethical in the sense, like they are
trying to be exactly here in number twelve in the
lottery every single year, like the Mavericks traded Luca because
it thought it gave them better title lots.
Speaker 2: That's just I don't know, We've said a thousand times,
but that's just never gonna I'm never gonna just glide
past that.
Speaker 1: That thinking the Hawks at number thirteen, they got the
Kings pick here this team, it's really for me, it's
just they're gonna keep this pick. It's just what's gonna
happen with Tray Young. I don't think that changes what
they do with the pick one way or the other.
It's do they try it? Like could they try and
move up and dangle Trey Young in number thirteen to
I don't know what team would want Trey Young, Like
Houston might make some ends for Trey Young, but you're
not moving thirteen and Trey Young for number ten. You're
even Tray Young for just number ten. But they're not
draft because even if they keep Trey Young. My point being,
you just keep this pick and you're trying to kind
of build gradually, and if you're keeping Trey Young, it's
you think he's young enough to lead the next iteration
of a team that'll be really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's right. I mean it would have
been the San Antonio angle, like can we get that? What?
Do they have one other pick still, the twenty seven
Hawks pick?
Speaker 1: They have two still, they can swap in twenty six
and they own twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, Young, and the thirteen doesn't get you too, I
don't think, especially since two is gonna be well again,
the Spurs could go get you, honest and then also
use two in a separate trade. Yeah, not a lot here.
I don't I don't think. I don't think thirteen is
enough to be like, oh, this is the one that's
gonna influence a Trey Young trade.
Speaker 1: Would you I think I've asked you this already. Would
you if you could right now go to San Antonio
Jalen Johnson for control over your next true draft picks,
would you take it? Maybe they're even throwing you. The
Spurs have number fourteen as well, maybe they're even throwing
you that.
Speaker 2: So you're really your your three draft picks back is
what you'd be getting Jalen Johnson. So I'm getting my
twenty six swap and my twenty seven outright unprotected.
Speaker 1: Back as well as number fourteen in this draft, for
whatever that's worth to you.
Speaker 2: Uh Man. I wish i'd seen like just another half
season of Jalen Johnson staying healthy to have a better
sense of this.
Speaker 1: Do the Spurs do that they should? I think, well,
Johnson's say, you know, keep those Hawks picks, but if
they were looking to straddle the line rather than go
all in for Giannis, like, Jalen Johnson's a pretty good
fit next to.
Speaker 2: One, he is a good fit. I just wonder if, like,
for the level of ambition the Spurs should have and
trying to build a title winner, is Jalen Johnson making
thirty million dollars a championship team player? Maybe? But I
don't know, I don't love it.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of a no from both sides type.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: Finally, speaking of the Spurs, they're number fourteen again. Yeah,
I don't know what you could talk me to anything.
For the Spurs, it's just like a throw in as
part of whatever megapackage they get it. Do they decide
to trade this pick and keep number two? This doesn't
change anything for them, But they have Wemby and de
Aaron Fox and Steph Castle and Dev Misel and then
two lottery picks and a bunch of other assets. They
are absolutely a team to watch over the offseason.
Speaker 2: I bet you they trade this one just because it's like,
I don't know, they got so many incoming, and do
you what are you gonna get here? I don't know.
The Spurs have historically drafted well late, but.
Speaker 1: And this more so than the number two pick. But
with all these picks, maybe with the exception of Cooper Flag,
there's a lot of driving the car off the lot
value appreciation. And with number fourteen, for sure, just like,
oh we traded we can get a lottery pick. So
before that player takes the corridor is drafted, there's like
weird mystique to it. But once he does, it's like
it loses its luster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's right. Fun lottery certainly
plenty to talk about. It's it's one of the most
intriguing ones we've had in a while. But I think
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