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Speaker 1: Sup put the stup's up. Fellow sac goes, I am

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fly coming at you with the one he on me

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certified his co host, mister Grant. Yet me, Draft Lottery,

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We're gonna talk about the fallout, some of our biggest questions,

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storylines coming out. They go through each team, mostly very

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quickly to talked about all Julie, he said at nifel

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or what do we expecting to do with the pick?

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Before we get started? Though, now that we're a couple

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of days removed from everything, Grant, why was the Nico

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Harrison getting the.

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Speaker 2: Number one pick?

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Speaker 1: Anti Karma? Can you explain that to me?

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Speaker 2: I think it was all part of a grand plan. Uh,

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he deserves it, the maps deserve it. I can't imagine

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why anyone would have an issue with this. Were you, like,

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what was your reaction to the conspiracy chatter? Do you

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if you have one?

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Speaker 1: I'm just annoyed by it, but I just don't. I

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don't think that they're rigging this. What would be the

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benefit of having like the MAVs get the number one

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just so Luca could be on the Lakers was kind

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of the Hey, guess what they lost in the first

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round was that scripted, Like, if it was scripted, why

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are they losing in the first round? Why are we

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if this was scripted, Let's be honest about the league office.

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You and I don't care, well, we would love this series,

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Like there's a possibility that there's just like an Indiana

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Minnesota NBA finals, right, And I don't think that the

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NBA would love that.

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Speaker 2: I would say, if you were reading things, you'd probably

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start with maximizing ratings for your playoff games for the

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next TV deal. Yeah. No, I asked just because I

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was like, I don't know. My reaction is always just, oh,

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you're not a serious person. So you know, like if

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Speaker 1: Very did my own research eye?

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's a great that's a great way to

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put it. Yeah, Okay, having dispense with that, what part?

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, can we I have to actually have

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to ask a question first? Oh, great, look at who won?

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If you're watching on YouTube, it's up on the screen.

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The MAVs, the Spurs and the seventy six or is

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the top three picks the Hawks won it last year?

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When you're when they had on what was it a

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one point eight or one point two percent chance or whatever?

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It was. When you're looking at the new lottery system, grant,

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do you think that it's broken or not having the

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impact it's intended, or do you like the chaos of Oh,

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the Jazz and the Wizards slept through this season and

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they both end up with like the five and six

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pick rather than a top three pick.

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Speaker 2: So I've come across a lot of oh, it's this

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is just confirmation that the flat and lottery odds are

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a failure. Like this, you know, look a look at

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the poor Jazz and the Wizards who tanked all year

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and this is the result they get that. I guess

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that's a separate issue, like whether that's fair to them.

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What I all I would say with like total conviction

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is this is achieving the desired result of lottery reform,

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which is to discourage full season tanking for the absolute

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worst records in the league. Because the teams that basically

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did that, I mean, Charlotte, I guess came out the

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best and it's got They've got the fourth pick. And

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it's not like the Hornets necessarily went into this, like

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like mission accomplished, whether that mission was like the right

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one is. I just think like the reaction to the

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process sixers created this this system, and this system is

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discouraging more process like sixers tanking. Uh, it's had unintended consequences,

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I guess. And you can feel bad for the small

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market teams like Utah that maybe need the number one

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pick more than others because they can't get talent through

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the other channels. But I would just say, like, I

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don't know, man, like look at look at who are

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the five best players in the league this year. How

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many of them were the number one pick. So it's like,

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it's not you don't just need the number one picks,

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you know, picking fifth, they're six. I know the odds

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are slightly worse, you're getting your cornerstone there, but they're

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not zero. And so I think I have almost no

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problem whatsoever with these results. I'm fine with it. I

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think it's good that it discourages full season tanking, and

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question between a some might say, well, if we could

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like make the playoffs versus be like Dallas and barely

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and go in the play in and get smoked and

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we get the number one. It's like, Okay, you can

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organize your whole organizational philosophy around having a one point

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eight percent chance at the top pick if you want to.

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with me that? Like this is working And it's just

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a question of if you want it to work this way? Right?

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Speaker 1: And I think it is working. And the reason I

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don't largely I'd be open to other ideas, and like

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keep Parish of the Fast Break Breakfast podcast has an

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idea where it's when against certain teams, like it counts

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as a point after the after the in season tournament,

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and so those points help influence your lottery odds. I

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still don't know that the outcome wouldn't be similar to

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when you're looking at the team, like when you're looking

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at the order of the lottery, like which teams had

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the best odds or the not the not the best

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odds with the outcome if anything like wouldn't have been

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more likely if there was a point system based on

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wins after the n season tournament that Dallas or San

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Antonio or the Sixers, they wouldn't have like the Sixers

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as an example, would have played maybe not jellemb but

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there are other guys more and one more like they

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might have won more games than the Jazz with their

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current collection of players. With all that said, I'd be

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open to change, but there are other ways to build

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a winner than to just have the number one of

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the number two pick. You mentioned some of it. Look

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at some of the teams that are here. The Wizards

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have Alex Sar and Bala Kulaba League, so like, it's

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not like they're barren. The Jazz. Yeah, they don't have

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a cornerstone type player. They have a bunch of assets

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that they can go out and try to trade for one.

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sympathize with the fans that they don't want to see

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their team go all in and trade for a star

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because they don't think they're going to stay in a

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certain market. I think this forces front office is to

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become more creative with rebuilding. Now Karmakley speaking like, I

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have preferred to have seen one of these teams get it,

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or the Nets or the even the Pelicans, but like

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this was the whole point and so maybe it kind

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of as you mentioned, like could it cox teams into

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making like shorter sighted decisions now where it's all these

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lotteries don't matter as much. There is that unintended danger,

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but this is more chaotic and the chaos was reinforced

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where I don't know if you were watching the lottery live,

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but the ESPN announcer said that the Sixers lost their

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pick right because like there was just so many and

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that like it's hard to keep track of. So I

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appreciate it, but I do if you're a Jazz fan,

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like I get it, but like none of these teams,

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like I guess the Nets and the Jazz come closest

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and then the Jazz like they have just a ton

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of assets, a ton of flexibility, and and some good players.

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if you're worried about keeping them. So I'm not completely

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dumping on the idea that, like I would have liked,

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enough talent. But I don't necessarily think you should be

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rewarded for deliberately tanking, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Agree with that, And I think, like, if you want

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to Devil's advocate this a little bit, it seems like

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if what this is doing is discouraging like down to

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the studs, tear down, rebuild type things, you might be

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incentivizing teams to kind of hang out in the middle.

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I am of just like just ripping the bulls for

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being unambitious and wanting thirty seven to forty two wins

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and like, actually, maybe that's not a bad spot to

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the lottery, But again, the percentages are such that like

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you should like that's not a viable strategy to try

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to win thirty eight games and with a two percent

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chance vault from whatever eleven to one or something. But like,

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from a fan perspective, maybe you want your team to

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be competitive night tonight, and maybe this encourages teams to

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games we can win and just let the chips fall

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where they may, and that's fine. Like the other thing, too,

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one were fourteen percent, so like, well, welcome, welcome to math.

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you Wizards we're gonna get number one, like like your

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odds are tiny, right, Like, so I don't know you

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can really be that disappointed if you're any of these teams.

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far into well is that Sam hinky ing it? But

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it's they don't like, you can't live and die by

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every season because you're not guaranteed to get a top

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three a top four pick. And so now you could

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all of this again maybe, but like that also might say,

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like the Wizards, I think are a good example, like

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Keishaan George the top two of those guys, like that

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they might be good enough to be sort of your

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directional guy. Sure, And so I just maybe this force

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is more patient, like because the Jazz it was, Yeah,

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about windows opening and shutting so quickly, maybe this is

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kind of reminder that somethings take time, and rebuilding through

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the draft is one of them.

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Speaker 2: Right, Maybe you encourage continuity this way, like you give

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your young core a little longer to like, because it's

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not just like, wow, some of these guys are doing

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can I try now? Can we like play some you know,

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like because look what it got us and this season

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sucked and we were playing with a hand tide behind

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I'm still being Will Hardy, by the way, but also like,

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can I coach to win now? Would that be cool?

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you know, nobody could keep SGA down by being traded

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season chaos like that is part of NBA fandom generally speaking.

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You're looking at the teams that want some of the

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top picks. Might they move them? But now you're also

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getting the Jazz, the Wizards, the nets of it all.

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Are they going to be more aggressive and trying to

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make immediate upgrades because it didn't necessarily happen the way

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they wanted it in the draft. And so if you

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like offseason chaos, is promotes that. I don't think it's broken.

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I'd be open to alternatives, but I buy and large

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the MAVs winning the number one pick because I feel

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for MAVs fans, it's sort of like, I get it.

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That's the one that I'm just like Nico Harrison. Fire

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him at least I don't want him to get in

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control of Cooper flagg Er.

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Speaker 2: You don't deserve this.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of so the MAVs have the number one pick,

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what the early reports are and there's never any you know,

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disinformation grant that the Matters are going to keep this

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pick and draft Cooper Flag, which runs totally counterintuitive to

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what they were thinking when they prioritize Anthony Davis in

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the Lukadancis trade. One of the most hilarious outcome not

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from mass fans, but of all this be that they

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trade the number one pick for Kevin Durant citing long

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term aspirations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is going to force them to sort of

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They're gonna have to at least say some things that

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are pretty cognitively dissonant, Like they'll have to here's what

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will happen. They're gonna really sell the idea of Cooper

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Flag is ready right now. He's ready defensively to contribute

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to a winning organization and like that's not gonna be

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a lie, probably, but he's still a rookie. Yeah, they'll

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have to really kind of talk out of both sides

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of their mouths. They gotta take him right that you can't.

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Speaker 1: I think you just have to talk to draft somebody

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else doing hard.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I mean as opposed to trading it, I would agree,

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But as Brian Windhorse said.

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Speaker 1: Brian windh Horse reaction by the way, on NBA Countdown,

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they about it, and his first reason was, Bro, that's

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all like Brian Windhorse saying Bro was hysterical.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like every kid elementary score right now.

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Speaker 1: Bro that the MAVs have wanted Giannis for a while,

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and so now you have sort of the trade chip.

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And also it would cost more stuff than just the

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number one pick. I'm assuming I think one of the

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keys to it. I don't. I'm drafting Cooper Flag And

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in some ways the Kyrie Irving injury does it kind

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of help in a couple couple of different like areas

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because now you can test unique Cooper Flagg to be

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on the ball and playmates. Oh yeah, that's true, what

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that is? And then I guess the one problem is

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if you view him as a four, well, does that

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mean Anthony Davis is a five? Or because you're gonna

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put the ball in his hands, can he play with

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Anthony Davis and Derek Lively.

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Speaker 2: That is gonna be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think they take the pick and keep him, but

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I don't. I do think you have to ask yourself,

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if you're Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving's injured, they now have

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their you might have considered yourself the tenth poll of

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the short and long term future. Cooper Flag is now

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that I don't know. There's just they're being pulled in

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a bunch of different directions, and it is all by

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their own hands exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Like the look thinking of the roster, it like

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the very first thing I thought of was flags of four.

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As far as we can tell, I don't maybe he

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can play three on offense or whatever. But so then

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like Andy Davis doesn't want to play center, and now

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you also still have Derek Lively and Daniel Gafford and

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he a t right like what it is it is

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all their own fault, like for sure, And so I guess,

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does any part of you feel bad for Flag? Be

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like there are a lot of worst places he could

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have gone, I guess, but like this is not ideal.

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Speaker 1: No, And I don't know enough about him as the person.

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But his reaction reminded me of remember when Joelle embiide

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I think he ran behind, but during his work he

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just looked miserable when like the results of it where

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Now that's what Cooper Flag looked like in his interview. Yeah,

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and look, I just don't trust the organization nor should you.

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But I think Cooper flag fits this motif that I

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would argue Nico Harrison is two married too, which is

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defense championships when it's defense and offense, and the map

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don't have enough of the ladder, but they have plenty

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of size in the former, so they they are built

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touck up a ton of games. But I just feel

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like this is still sort of a pivot point to me,

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where just wouldn't shot Like, now, do you look at

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moving Anthony Davis if not over the offseason by the

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trade deadline? Or would it even shock you if they

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went out and traded for Giannis you're using the number

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one pick?

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Speaker 2: That would that would shock me? Well, I'd be more surprising.

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The Anthony Davis trade is one I would be looking

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at really hard. And it's just like you gotta fire

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Harrison first and then bring someone else in to do that,

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because it's just like, how is he gonna possibly make

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that happen? Also, I don't want him executing trades after

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the last one. But like that, the more I think

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about it, the more moving Davis and resetting your timeline.

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You know, even though we just talked about like how

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you don't want to bottom out, Like, I don't think

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you're bottoming out if you're built around Cooper Flag and

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you still got Derek Lively there, like Lively Flag, that's fun.

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Like that's a fun four or five for however long

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it can stay together. I would look really hard at

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trading Davis to balance out this roster, to get some offense,

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get playmaking. Whenever Kyrie's back, fine, you decide what to

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do with him contractually, then they'll pick up his player

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option and just not play. But like, that's the most

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intriguing path to me, is reorienting around a team that

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does not have Davis on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, But what do you think is

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more likely that they trade Anthony Davis or they trade

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Cooper Flag or this pick? Uh?

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Speaker 2: I think it is more likely that they will trade

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Anthony Davis because I don't think you can, like you

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just probably got the fans back, you know, like with

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the Flag hype and hope and possibility. If you then

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trade that for someone like you just next year can't

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be your concern. You don't have Kyrie Irving. That's there's

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that massive salary going nothing. I don't know that either

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of them are super likely, but like, you just cannot

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trade this pick.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's say they are going to trade Anthony davis

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Is salary plus the lakers twenty twenty seven first round

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pick enough to get the thing I thought about though,

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is because if you were getting in on the Yiannis

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sweepstakes and you would have him and Anthony Davis, if

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you were New Orleans and you know that Dallas wanted Joannis,

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would you accept Derek Lively and Dallas's twenty thirty one

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first round pick to then send out the Bucks' next

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two first round picks to Dallas or Milwaukee so that

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they're getting back control in twenty six twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Oh New Orleans. Yeah, New Orleans is in an interesting

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spot home that in.

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Speaker 1: Portland because Portland has twenty seven or excuse me, twenty eight,

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twenty nine and thirty. Yeah, Like, if you're a team

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that wants you honest, like Portland and New Orleans kind

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of have like secret skeleton keys.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think about that because when you're talking,

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I'm working on offseason like chaos rankings, and it's just

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like who can do the most crazy stuff. I think

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New Orleans needs to be higher because they've got they

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can be like, hey, you want these Bucks picks anybody?

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They're looking pretty good the next couple of years. Yeah,

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that's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: That enough? Is that too much? I can't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is if you're the Pelicans and you say, well,

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if they're gonna trade Gannis, they're gonna suck. We would

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want to keep those picks. But if the Bucks aren't

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getting their own picks back, I would assume they're prioritizing

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a return that keeps the relevant in the intern while

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then getting other teams as picks. So those picks are

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gonna be inherently less valuable than you think they are

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because the Bucks like they're more valuable to the Bucks

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than anybody. And if the Bucks don't have them, they're

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going to structure their future around not having them. So

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they're not going to go into this and just be

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the worst team in the league.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, And again we just spent time talking about

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how that's not a bankable strategy particularly anymore, Like you

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don't want to just I will bought them out, but

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at least we got our own picks. That's not it's

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not yielding results lately. Yeah, that's fascinating. I don't know.

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I actually think the number two pick is more likely,

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is extremely likely to be traded.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. But the last question I wanted

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to ask you, is there any like, if you're just

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in Dallas's position in knowing what they're trying to do,

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is there any player that you would think, like, is

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there a mega deal where it's like you're giving up

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the number one and other stuff and getting Devin Booker

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and Kevin Durant and maybe you're sending out Kyrie Irving

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in that or is it like or even if it

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was just Devin Booker, is there a player that would

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convince Because Giannis, in theory, is good enough to say, hey,

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you're trying to win now, this makes sense, but he

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also kind of doesn't check enough the boxes that the

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MAVs need without Kyrie Irving at.

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Speaker 2: Least, So if I'm in charge, I won't speak to

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what the people that are actually in charge would do.

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If I'm in charge of the guys that are realistically

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available that I think I could get, like, I don't

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even know that you could. I guess you probably could

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get Yannis with this number one pick. Would if they

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have the best offer, which is a stretch maybe to

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considering what else some of these other teams could offer.

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I think Giannis is someone that maybe I would look at.

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And I'm then trading Davis most likely in that hypothetical,

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in a separate deal and the number one, Yeah, in

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separate deals, just because I'm trying to like, we got you, honest,

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let's let's what can we do now?

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Speaker 1: But but I trade it for Devin Booker.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so about Jalen Brown. I would do

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it for Booker before I would do it for Brown

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because then you're just because then you have if you

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have Booker and Davis and two other guys that play

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center and no Kyrie for a year. I guess Booker

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and Davis is a core that could get you pretty far.

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But like, how long is Davis gonna hold up? I

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don't know. I just want the I just want Flag.

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I think it would take a lot, like it would

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take a ridiculous amount to get me to trade this pick.

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Speaker 1: The right decision is to take Flag, But I'm torn

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between do I trust the matters to make the right

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decision and is this the organization that I'm going to

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trust to maximize because if they're the way to maximize

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Flag is not necessarily trying to throw him into this

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immediate timeline, is to give him the time and space

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to develop, and maybe the Kyrie injury forces them to

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do that. But as long as Anthony Davis is on

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this team, and you're looking at what Nico Harrison said

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after that, so just one of the I think probably

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the most bizarre team that could have possibly won this lottery,

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right maybe Philly, well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I mean Philly, Philly would just

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be a it'd be simple. They needed a four forever,

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like they just they just throw them out there. He's great, like,

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that's yeah. Dallas is by far the weirdest.

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Speaker 1: So we move on to the Spurs, who get a

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look when when I saw they like jumped and then

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they weren't number four, I was just like, oh my god,

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they're gonna get Cooper flag, which is they didn't need it,

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and I wouldn't say they deserve, doesn't have anything to

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do with it, but that would have been something I

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would have loved, Oh, Cooper flag, whatever, Like from a

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basketball perspective, they get number two, and I think you

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were getting into this. It would be very Unspurs like

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to move this pick. But if you're like if Dylan

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Harper is the pick, you have the Aaron Fox there,

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you have to have castle this. The Spurs to me

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suddenly feel like the favorite to land Giannis because of

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having the number two pick.

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Speaker 2: And they're also my favorite landing spot for Giannis. So

475
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:07,359
I'm really like trying to speak that one into existence

476
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,480
because Flag would have been cooler, I think, just because

477
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,000
all Flag and Wimby for you know, ten years or whatever.

478
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,799
But Yiannis and Wimby is like I would very much

479
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,880
like to see that. And I don't know, I don't

480
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,200
know if they'll have the best offer, but I think

481
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,799
the Spurs can get real close, and especially if you

482
00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:27,880
assume Janis gets some say in it, like he's I

483
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,519
think if I'm him, I wanted I would prefer going

484
00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:34,440
to San Antonio over Houston. I just like people could disagree, but.

485
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: And I think they could have the best This is contingent,

486
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,000
I guess on a lot of teams, but like when

487
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,559
you look at Dallas might have enough. But like if

488
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,039
the Spurs wanted to go out and reacquire some of

489
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,799
Milwaukee's own picks, like they have this stuff, yeah, to

490
00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:47,359
go do it?

491
00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: Yep, and like they also like, I don't know, do

492
00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:54,039
you do the Bucks want to Aaron Fox because we

493
00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,319
could like I don't think. I guess, like, if you're

494
00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:58,200
trading this pick and you would have assumed it was

495
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,440
harper than Fox, you just do hang on to him.

496
00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:03,240
But like there's a lot of I mean, you could

497
00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:06,319
trade Castle. Would the Bucks be interested in Castle? Is like, hey,

498
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,480
there's this new guy who is the face of the franchise. Like,

499
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,160
I mean, there's definitely lots of different ways the Spurs

500
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,079
could make this happen.

501
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,079
Speaker 1: I think you need to prioritize keeping one of and

502
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,960
I'm assuming the number two pick goes out, so then

503
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,319
you need to prioritize keeping one of Castle or Fox

504
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,400
just to have that you could bring Chris Paul back

505
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,839
shirt trade Jones back, but you want someone else who,

506
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,119
in theory is working from a guard spot or a

507
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,640
wingspot that can handle the ball right. And if you

508
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,720
give up both Castle and Fox, like well, then I'm

509
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,640
hoping you're keeping the number two picks like they to

510
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,640
be fair, Like in theory, the Spurs could have had

511
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,000
a great offer, very honest without the number two picks.

512
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,240
So if that they decide you know what, Dylan Harper

513
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:46,279
is the guy will move Fox and Castle and other

514
00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,799
stuff and get Maybe they could, but I think you

515
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,920
need to prioritize keeping at least one of those three

516
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,920
sure assets.

517
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: If you had to choose between keeping Fox and whatever

518
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,200
he's going to extend for or Castle, what are you

519
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,640
which way you're gone?

520
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh, if Jannie is on the team, Nis is on

521
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,759
the team, I'm probably going with keeping Fox. I trust the.

522
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: Shooting for it. Yeah. And also then you're also wrestling

523
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,960
with the like, you know, because the Castle would be

524
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,440
the long term play, the like we're projecting improvement and

525
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,359
by twenty twenty seven he's gonna be really great, and

526
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,079
Fox will is already kind of on the decline maybe,

527
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,240
like but we just we've spent plenty of time talking about, like,

528
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:28,319
you can't mess around with these windows. If you have

529
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:31,119
Wemby and Giannis, like everyone else on the roster can

530
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,920
be thirty four years old, and it makes sense, like

531
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,240
that's that's that's probably the way you gotta go.

532
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: I do you think though, that the like the expense

533
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,119
of it all, because now all of a sudden you

534
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,640
have Giannis on his deal, Fox gonna be on his extension,

535
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200
then you all like Victor is eventually going to be

536
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,119
on his Supermax. Do you like is that in the

537
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,680
back of your mind at all to where well, maybe

538
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,640
it makes more sense to move to Aaron Fox because

539
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,240
Steph Castle is still cost controlled.

540
00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:56,839
Speaker 2: I think like, if you have Giannis and Wimby, you're

541
00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,559
trying to win the championship today, I think even starting

542
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,039
next year. So like if you could trade someone, if

543
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,279
you could trade Fox for someone that was slightly better

544
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:08,720
than him but older and more expensive, you probably should

545
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,519
do it, like just because you're trying to do it

546
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:14,039
right now, right Like, I think that's that's the mentality

547
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:14,839
the Spurs should have.

548
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: And I would say what happened in Boston with the

549
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,880
Jason Tatum injury is kind of just the reminders that

550
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,839
you go for it when you think you can get it. Yeah,

551
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960
is there can they have the best of all worlds

552
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,000
where it's do they look at what if they just

553
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:32,279
traded for Kevin Durant and like used this pick Because

554
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:34,200
you're not trading number two for Kevin Durant. I don't

555
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,200
think you're trading a bunch of other stuff, do you?

556
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,079
Because it's the Spurs and now Greg Popovich still the

557
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,359
team president, and I like how much say he's gonna

558
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,359
have the decision making. Trading the number two Fick pick

559
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,200
feels like the aren't Fox acquiring him even though it

560
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,319
was a modest cost that felt brash.

561
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: Right or the Spurs don't do that.

562
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: They have not historically, so I almost wonder like they

563
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,839
could get there with said they have Devin Bessell and

564
00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:58,200
Harrison Barnes and Kelvin Johnson a bunch of other picks.

565
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:01,480
They just decide, we're really gonna like blur the fuck

566
00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:04,640
out of all these timelines, and we're gonna have Castle

567
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,200
and Wemby and Fox and KD and the number T pick.

568
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: That's they have so many ways to go. So the

569
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:16,599
more we talk about this, they have to be the

570
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,359
honest team they like. I think they can win the

571
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,640
bidding war, I think, And I think they should be

572
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,759
the most motivated to do it. I'd like, and I

573
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:29,599
think the upside is highest because Yiannis on Houston, Well,

574
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,880
are we forgetting anybody else?

575
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Uh?

576
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: Besides that, Giannis might realistically go to the Knicks. Okay,

577
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,519
the Nick sure, I just kidding.

578
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,759
Speaker 1: I just think Thunder would be like if they end

579
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,039
up losing to the Nuggets. The Thunder would be a

580
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,799
team that, like, we're the teams that I think you

581
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,839
could look at and say, would have the assets to

582
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,680
just get it done and maybe get Milwalkee back some

583
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,599
of their own picks or give them enough assets and

584
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,200
like player equity to where the Bucks are okay shorting

585
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,880
everybody else is future and rebuilding that way. Houston to

586
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,519
okay See in San Antonio right.

587
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I think, I mean okay See is just

588
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,039
like its own species of team. I don't know what

589
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,480
to do with them. I just I even going to

590
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,799
the San Antonio. If I'm honest, I'm just I'm getting

591
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,279
on board. I'm trusting the Whimby thing is gonna be special.

592
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,160
I want, I think to someone like Giannis that's spent

593
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,160
all this time like being hyper loyal to one organization,

594
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,279
I think he might like the San Antonio, like I

595
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,359
don't know, legacy like that kind of thing might appeal

596
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,759
to him.

597
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: What would you think is so if you had to

598
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:36,799
rank the outcomes of them keeping the pick, them trading

599
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,279
it for Yannis, or them keeping the pick and then

600
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:42,559
trading like, let's flame it this way. Let's assume they're

601
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:45,759
doing something. Are they more likely to trade this pick

602
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,359
and go for Jannest or keep this pick and trade

603
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,119
for Kevin Durant.

604
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: I think they would be more likely to trade the

605
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,079
pick and go for Jannis because that like Durant's age,

606
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,839
the like I just we're talking win now, but like

607
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:07,079
Katie's at the point where it's like we're how much longer?

608
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,640
Really can he be that at that level? And like

609
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,000
the last couple of years in Phoenix, do not recommend

610
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,880
him well as like someone that Wemby, if he needs this,

611
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,839
can look to and be like that's who I'm modeling

612
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,799
my like approach after and my like mentality all that stuff.

613
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,759
Like Giannis is the guy where he'd be like just

614
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,480
watch him go lift with him and like see, you know,

615
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,599
approach things like he does that. That's that's another thing

616
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:31,839
I think dispershou value in you, honest.

617
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,519
Speaker 1: Just there are so many outs and options. You said, yeah,

618
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,000
next team up, number three, the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

619
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,720
Now Darryl Moury, who according to James Harden, has never

620
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,319
told a lie, said that they intend to keep the pick.

621
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,119
M hm, I don't. I don't like it's the Ace

622
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,799
Bailey or the Dylan Harper pick. It seems like I

623
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,279
don't what did the Sixers do here?

624
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,799
Speaker 2: So I would give them two options. One is you

625
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,720
keep the pick and you use it and you pick

626
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,680
the player available because you need a rookie scale deal

627
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,559
to offset your long term commitments. And like, I don't

628
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,799
think it's a part of a win now package for

629
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,599
another veteran or like, cause I I really don't like

630
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Ace Bailey and I don't know that he's gonna wind

631
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200
up being the third pick. But I might trade down

632
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:20,240
if anybody's interested in moving up, like I think. I

633
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,440
think if you could trade down a few spots and

634
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,799
pick up some other asset, that's what I would look at.

635
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,240
But I don't want to if I'm the Sixers use

636
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,599
this pick in a package unless it's like helping me

637
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
get off of embiads deal in like a broader reset,

638
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
I don't. I don't want to trade it away just

639
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,960
for like, oh, we got a seventh man or something,

640
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,160
you know what I mean? Like, I don't. I don't

641
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:41,920
like that approach.

642
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: The trading down is interesting or even just is there

643
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,559
a scenario where, I mean, like Brooklyn really wanted to

644
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,440
be in the top three I'm sure, and they have

645
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,319
Philly's pick in twenty twenty eight right as of now,

646
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:58,160
So do you trade, like is there a package there

647
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,000
where it's what is it number eight plus the Sixers

648
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,079
twenty twenty eight pick for this number three pick?

649
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:05,759
Speaker 2: Uh?

650
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,759
Speaker 1: The salaries gets complicated, but maybe can you shoehorn Cam

651
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:10,720
Johnson in there at all? Would be a really good.

652
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: Fit, that'sz Yeah, yeah, I I well of the options given, like,

653
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,359
don't you think it's most likely they keep the pick

654
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,319
and just use it? That feels like I know more

655
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,160
is not to be trusted, but like I feel like

656
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,880
that is that makes a lot of sense?

657
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,839
Speaker 1: Does it get more interesting? And for some reason, Dylan

658
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Harper is still on the board because that's okay, we

659
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,759
have Maxi and Grimes and McCain and Dylan Harper.

660
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I think I just because of the

661
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,039
positional glut, like that makes.

662
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,839
Speaker 1: It hard overlap.

663
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,119
Speaker 2: No, I would say, I know, yeah it is, but

664
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,519
do you how much do you care? And then like yeah,

665
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:48,680
I don't know. I feel like, uh, after I wonder

666
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,200
how I'm gonna feel about because I one and two

667
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,319
is like all right, it's just it's just flag and

668
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,440
Harper and then after that, I feel like I feel

669
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,279
like Bailey is going to be a very polar and

670
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:02,359
maybe already is like a really polari.

671
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,279
Speaker 1: Maybe would there be a structure Philly calls number three

672
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:08,319
and Joel Embiid for the number one pick plus salary

673
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:10,079
from Dallas. Dallas has to say no writer ors and

674
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,519
ne go like, oh Davis Embiid, like that might realize it.

675
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,759
Speaker 2: I mean, how good is Joel Embiid on defense?

676
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: Now?

677
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: Does is that all the matters?

678
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I just don't more even said this like the sixers

679
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,359
are such a wildcard because of Embiid's health specifically, I

680
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:26,720
think you almost have to keep this pick because you

681
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,480
want to give yourself the ability to if we need

682
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,799
to pivot into a future of just built around Tyrese MAXI.

683
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,400
Then plus who is it McCain, is it Grimes? Give yourself?

684
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,200
Is it gonna be you know, Ace Bailey or dealing

685
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:40,200
whoever they wind up with you? Just I think you

686
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,720
need to give yourself. It's not more bites at the Apple,

687
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,319
It's just more exit ramps based off.

688
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,599
Speaker 2: Embi Well, and like it's a little weird. Don't you

689
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,000
think that you know you've got major commitments financially to

690
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,839
EMBIID George and Maxie, and so you should value a

691
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960
guy who might actually contribute in a year or two

692
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,039
at a on a rookie scale deal. But like does

693
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:06,799
EMBIID have a year or two? Like like when when

694
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,440
is the good embed year? If ever gonna happen going forward?

695
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,319
Like they might be gone, but there might you know,

696
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:14,359
two years from now might be better than next year

697
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,039
if he stays healthier and doesn't have to have another surgery.

698
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,799
Like you do need production on the cheap and this

699
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,400
pick could get it for you. But like, I don't

700
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,880
know how many second year guys really can fulfill, Like

701
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,839
I don't know, like a starting role on a on

702
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960
a really good team. It's just it's a weird needle

703
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:31,359
to threat.

704
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:34,559
Speaker 1: Does Charlotte Hornets end up at number four? I don't

705
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:36,759
hate this spot for them, Like it could just be VJ.

706
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,160
Edge Comb or Ace Bailey. I feel like will be

707
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,799
the three or four, Like I kind of plus Brandon

708
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:43,799
Miller and LaMelo I love that setup.

709
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it too. It makes I mean, they're

710
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,680
pretty easy because unless it's like I guess, you know,

711
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,880
Harper won't be there. But someone that's like oh, he's

712
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,759
our primary ball handler. Assuming LaMelo is around, Like, you

713
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:57,640
don't drave that guy?

714
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: Probably right if you were to like they kind of

715
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,839
needed to end up in number two, if you were

716
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,480
hoping for their offseason chaos to be because the Cooper flag,

717
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,519
you just pair with LaMelo and Brandon Miller figured out.

718
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,960
But if it was Dan Harper, maybe that gave you

719
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,119
something like, oh, should we trade LaMelo? So they needed

720
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,200
to end up maybe in two or three. I feel

721
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,240
like to have made it, but this Cooper flag, this

722
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,079
would have been a fun destination him and LaMelo and

723
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,839
Brandon Miller would have been super fun for sure.

724
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,039
Speaker 2: Do you think I I do you think this pick?

725
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,720
And certainly you're right had it been too oh man,

726
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,839
this is our ticket. We can move LaMelo and like

727
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,200
just reorient around a new lead guard. Like at four,

728
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,400
it almost feels like if you're gonna trade LaMelo, this

729
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,200
doesn't having the number four pick doesn't like move it,

730
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,599
move the needle one way or the other. I feel

731
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,880
like they're either gonna do it because it's the right call,

732
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,599
or you're not. It's not gonna have anything to do

733
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,880
with this pick, correct.

734
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like none of the teams in front

735
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,599
of them for plus LaMelo Man four plus LaMelo for

736
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,079
number one, maybe include other stuff in there. I mean,

737
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,759
if if Dallas is all about the now, LaMelo's young,

738
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:01,839
I don't know what you're thinking about him and Kyrie

739
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,680
moving forward, but him and Davis are kind of an

740
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,359
intuitive fit.

741
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: I think you're getting an additional fan revolt if you

742
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,719
do that in DEU I'm assuming. I'm just let's let's

743
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,280
go for it.

744
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm just what's the Fox News line. I'm just asking questions, Brah,

745
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:14,679
just asking questions.

746
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,519
Speaker 2: Number five.

747
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: I think this is just when you're looking at like

748
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:22,800
what team needed a franchise centerpiece the most? Statistically they're

749
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,239
at five, Like that's not some huge outlier? Is this

750
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,119
the most painful result? Like for a fan base is

751
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,440
just Utah's now in Like they're not in Edgecomb or

752
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,199
Bailey or Harper let alone flag territory. It's oh Trey

753
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,639
Johnson or Jeremiah fears Konkanerpole.

754
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,639
Speaker 2: I don't like I was going to say, I've seen

755
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,599
Nipple mocked as high as four, and if the shoe

756
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,639
fits just you know, hopefully falls to five. He's not

757
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,400
going to go that high. But a lot of smart

758
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,000
people think he's going to be a really good pro

759
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,559
that works.

760
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,639
Speaker 1: Could you see if like the top four are off

761
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,519
the board, unless I don't have Trey Johnson, I don't

762
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:02,239
have strong thoughts on any of these guys aside from

763
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Cooper Flag yet, but begun my draft prep. Like, unless

764
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,159
you feel strongly about trade Johnson, do you think there's

765
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,880
a chance just Utah, Okay, they're heading into year four

766
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,559
of their rebuilds, still don't have a clear cut quarterstone.

767
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,039
Could they just be a team that's just like putting

768
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,320
this pick on the table, like seeing what's out, or

769
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,159
like making a trade to maybe accelerate their process a

770
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:21,639
little bit. Or No, you don't think that would be

771
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,159
Danny Ainge's style. They just they well will hardy the

772
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:25,840
whole nine.

773
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: It depends on how committed they are to whatever process

774
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,480
they're following, because you would have to look at these

775
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,920
last few years and say, like, all right, guys, we

776
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
got to start trying to win now, because this whole

777
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,079
like you know, one foot in, one foot out a

778
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,480
couple of years ago and actually trying to tank. We're

779
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,199
not getting the guys we need. Let's just trade for

780
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,480
one I mean, the best player they've acquired recently is marketing,

781
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,920
and that's someone that they traded for. So I think

782
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,039
I think I don't think you could rule that out

783
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:51,719
and say that's just not what the Jazz are doing

784
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,760
because they've been doing one thing for three years now

785
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,119
and it's not it's not getting you anywhere. What do

786
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,719
you think about them? Like, can you pack this pick

787
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
with marketing and like try to move up? Uh, you

788
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,760
probably can't get number one, but like you could if

789
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,280
I don't know, if you're not sure about.

790
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,639
Speaker 1: The Spurs, if you did that with the Spurs because

791
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,679
lowry marketing and Victor but Yama's well, we're gonna would

792
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:16,800
it fit than him? And you honest to be honest, yeah.

793
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: I like that fit.

794
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:17,639
Speaker 1: Well.

795
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, I mean just the shooting would

796
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,440
be scary. I don't know that there's there's a lot

797
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,639
of I mean maybe that's the other thing. The Spurs

798
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,960
could just get marketing without trading number on number two

799
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,960
or anything else, Like if they want them, they can

800
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,199
have them.

801
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: Would you trade number five for Lamelow if you were

802
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,880
in Utah?

803
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting? Uh yeah, I think so. Not not

804
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,559
knowing a ton about the you know, two through fifteen

805
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,159
of this draft, but yeah, I would.

806
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: Do you think this spot makes it more or less

807
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,360
likely that marketing trade is on the table for Utah

808
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,239
in the off season?

809
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know how. I don't know that it

810
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,559
affects it that much because I was like kind of

811
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,719
poking around. Is it a tool to move him? I

812
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,480
don't know if you need to attach like I don't

813
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,119
know if we've reached the point with marketing where you've

814
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,840
got to attach like super high level assets to trade

815
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,239
his to trade him. So I don't know that.

816
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't you might as well keep him since you're not.

817
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

818
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,519
Speaker 1: Our next team, the Wizards, coming in at a number six,

819
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,000
I mean this is they would have been. I mean

820
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,400
you have Kulabali Saar and Cooper Flagg would have been

821
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,159
a heck of a defense, heck of a defensive core.

822
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,119
I'ming sure this team I'm like low key fascinated by

823
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:33,960
for this offs where I wouldn't I'm not predicting they

824
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,480
would trade this pick, but it's okay, Like we've now

825
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,079
gone through three years of getting the high draft picks

826
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,519
here do they look at like like just something like,

827
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:45,800
are they trying to accelerate their process in any sort

828
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,519
of way to where I don't think their biggest need

829
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:52,679
to me feels like still a floor general and maybe

830
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,760
like I don't know, Jeremiah Fears should probably still be

831
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,039
on the board here, but I don't know if there's

832
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,920
enough of like, yeah, is Trey Johnson that guy's even

833
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,920
still on the board. I'm just curres. I just the

834
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
old Wizards. I would have expected to be like, oh,

835
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,639
they're gonna do something yea reckless or aggressive, But I

836
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,320
think that under Will Dawkins and Michael Winger, they're going

837
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,000
to continue to stay the course. They'll use this pick.

838
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,280
They will continue to and fiddle on the margins. Maybe

839
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,840
they'll take on some more bad money and they can

840
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,199
use like are they finding a taker from Marcus Smart's

841
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,480
expiring contract? Is does Chris Middleton pick up his player option?

842
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,320
But I think this is just sort of yeah, they

843
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,679
wanted a higher pick, but this I don't think is

844
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,800
going to materially change their plans in any way.

845
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:31,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

846
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: My first I will say sorry, I think it does

847
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,880
increase the importance of both Kolabali and Alex Aar And

848
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,880
then I agree.

849
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:41,079
Speaker 2: I think my my very first thought when they fell

850
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,000
was just like, well, this makes it simple. This is

851
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,840
just best player available, let's move let's move on. Like

852
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,920
that's you know. The Wizards have what feels to me

853
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,800
like a really long leash and and they can just

854
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,719
I don't think they need to accelerate anything or or

855
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,800
do anything a conventional rebuilder like would not do.

856
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: Next up at number seven, the New Orleans Pelicans, which

857
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:06,719
the most interesting thing about all this. Yeah, they fell

858
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,000
to seven quote unquote they fell. There was a three spots,

859
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,760
but well tip to where their record was Zion Williamson

860
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,800
being on the day, Like, what do you make of that?

861
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,199
That was?

862
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: I mean, the the the obvious takeaways. While they're not

863
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,960
trading that guy, they just put him front and center

864
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:26,519
right like I that that feels very strange, like very

865
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,239
like of like why even like do you think he

866
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,880
wanted to do that? Like it it seems like maybe

867
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,320
he did.

868
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,639
Speaker 1: Did he miss like his way in and he checked

869
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,440
in over and they're like, look, we're gonna overlook this

870
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,719
if you just go represent them.

871
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: I just don't understand. Uh So could it just be

872
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:48,039
that they're the Pelicans are projecting like this is our guy. Still,

873
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,639
Like what of course we sent him? Like why what?

874
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,199
This is the face of the franchise, no no issues here.

875
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,679
Speaker 1: Do you think it would be cruel if they sent

876
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,599
him and then just moved him? Yeah, yeah, would be Well,

877
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,320
I don't know cruels what I would describe it if

878
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,119
he asked for out, it's different. But by like all reporting,

879
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,800
it hasn't been. It hasn't come to that, right, And

880
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,599
I just I was not expecting I don't pay attention

881
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:12,639
to like the drama of everyone probably had these lists

882
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,599
already and knew I wasn't paying attention. I saw him

883
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,360
on there, I was like, oh shit, Like that is

884
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,400
not what I was expecting.

885
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,639
Speaker 2: You you just hired Joe Dumars, right, Like he's I'm

886
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,719
I'm sure I've seen Joe Dumars represent teams before, Like,

887
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,320
just send Joe Dumars. He's the he's the new face.

888
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,400
Like why I don't. One of the weirdest parts of

889
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,960
the whole whole lottery, for sure, is that Zion was there.

890
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,199
Speaker 1: Now how close. If you're keeping Zion, you're still just

891
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,719
keeping this pick, right, You're not Like in especially with

892
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,119
Jehan Deay Murray injured you're not under an angst to

893
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,320
move anybody. I was gonna ask, though, well, what I

894
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,159
guess you get answered my question? If Dallas came to

895
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:49,719
you and said, we'll give you our twenty thirty one

896
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,199
pick and Derek Lively for those two Bucks picks, the

897
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,920
swap and the like whatever to send those one, would

898
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,360
you do it as New Orleans?

899
00:40:56,519 --> 00:41:00,199
Speaker 2: I don't know. Those Bucks picks are pretty valuable. I

900
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,840
do like Lively. I think I'd probably hold onto the

901
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,880
Bucks picks honestly, fair, Now.

902
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: How close are we if they I don't know really

903
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,840
what their plan would be from here, but if how

904
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,079
close are you? You offer the Bucks their picks back?

905
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,159
And Zion Williams Injuriannis attend to Kupo like, how close

906
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,000
are you get? Like it's oh, you also have a

907
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,320
centerpiece and you get your next two draft picks back.

908
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,280
The centerpiece, of course, is injury prone.

909
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: But you've got those not those partial guarantee protections and

910
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,760
all the whatever the voiding clauses are on Zion. I

911
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,079
think that gets scuttled by Giannis saying like I don't

912
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,000
want to go to New Orleans. You gotta do better

913
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:39,360
than that.

914
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: Now, what if you're the Bucks and you don't care

915
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,920
because like if you're Portland and New Orleans comes to you

916
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,880
says how many of those like Bucks picks can we

917
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,920
get for Zion And all of a sudden you're turning

918
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,480
around and let's say you're giving the Bucks back to

919
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:51,960
their next four draft picks.

920
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: Well then, oh man, yeah that would be Well again,

921
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,760
we just spent time talking about like how much. Yeah,

922
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,840
it's nice to have control, but like you can never

923
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,400
guarantee that those picks are going to be gonna get

924
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,599
you the cornerstones. I wonder if that's going to be

925
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,039
like a thought in the back of a lot of

926
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:14,960
teams' minds. Four of your own first back again, Giannie

927
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,079
is going to have control, but like maybe you you

928
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,280
talk them into it. I don't know. Or there's a third.

929
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: Team when they use this pick, I hope they bring

930
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,840
in some shooting or I guess you could make the

931
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,639
case they need like another playmaker type, so Jeremiah for

932
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,920
years could fit. But I don't know, what do you

933
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,480
shoot like twenty eight percent at school?

934
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 2: So from Philly.

935
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was the most fascinating thing to come

936
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,199
out of this for me, was I on Williams and

937
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,360
being on the day like that was strange. Number Eight

938
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,679
the Brooklyn Nets, This is rough. I mean, they have

939
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,719
a two year window on which to tank. But what

940
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,159
I've been telling people when they ask me about it,

941
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,719
they owe their twenty twenty seven pick to Houston and

942
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,480
then it just they have all their own picks. So

943
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:50,880
it's just like kind of a you have to suck

944
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,159
it up for one year. But this is still not

945
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,199
what they set out to do. When you mentioned the

946
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,360
trade up with Philly, like this feels like that's what

947
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,920
I would be exploring it, Like the Net should be

948
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,840
open to anything. I don't know if you saw the

949
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,559
reporting though from Brian Lewis to the New York Post

950
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,519
that they're like ready to pounce on you. Honest, I

951
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:10,400
did see that they can trade thirteen first round picks

952
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,480
this summer, which is insane. But like, if none of

953
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,199
those are the Bucks's own picks, they need players, and

954
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,239
the Nets just don't have players that are gonna help

955
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,800
Milwaukee direct the next phase they're rebuild, and ultimately, for

956
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,360
the amount of picks you would have to give up

957
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,199
to either get the Bucks back their own picks or

958
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,400
just give a viable package that just feels no, don't

959
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,119
do that, Brokelyn, like, because you still need to put

960
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,480
so much in place after ay, honest trade.

961
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: That's the thing. And from Yanni's perspective, like big market,

962
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,960
that's cool, Like I think it seems like Jordi Fernandez

963
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,079
is well, you can never tell I to say it

964
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:45,880
seems like the right coach, but it's like it's very

965
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,320
different to coach a team that has no expectations. Yeah,

966
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:52,719
I don't know. I don't know that you have enough

967
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,159
as Brooklyn if you add Yannis to this group, like

968
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:59,079
you're still like you're still just looking for two or

969
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,880
three other high end players to put around.

970
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,079
Speaker 1: One of Claston or Cam Johnson's going out to Milwaukee

971
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:04,480
as well.

972
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,599
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's almost it's pretty close to like blank

973
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,079
slate territory if you add Giannis and then it's like, well,

974
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:11,559
how many picks did it cost to get him? And

975
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:14,320
then what do we have left to build a roster? Immediately,

976
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:16,519
I think it makes more sense. I keep just viewing

977
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,199
this from Yannis's perspective because I do think he's gonna

978
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,960
have an immense amount of agency over over this, or

979
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,480
at least I feel like the Bucks I feel like

980
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:25,679
the Bucks will grant.

981
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,519
Speaker 1: Him that if you were Brooklyn, would you do something

982
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:31,199
like that where it's giving up eight and that six

983
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,880
Ers twenty twenty eight first rounder to move up to

984
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,719
number three?

985
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,119
Speaker 2: That makes sense for them, doesn't it? Like I just

986
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,760
maybe you're getting the again. I don't love three if

987
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,800
it's Bailey, but maybe it's not, and then you get

988
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,840
something akin to a cornerstone. I think they are a

989
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,760
team that makes sense to move up. I don't know

990
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,559
if I feel that way about a lot of these

991
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,239
other like later lottery teams.

992
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:56,559
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. Number nine, the Toronto Raptors. I

993
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,320
don't really know what to make of the director they

994
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,800
have brandon ingram to manual quickly Hen Scottie Barnes and RJ.

995
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,199
Barrett Yakam pertole. Number nine feels like a vehicle through

996
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,159
which you can look at it and say they're gonna

997
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:11,639
get pretty expensive, so this is a cost controlled rotation

998
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,639
player hopefully, or you could frame it as they're kind

999
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,840
of under pressure to make a pretty big jump, and

1000
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:19,679
do they look at moving this pick and seeing if

1001
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,360
they can get what in here? Different type of five

1002
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,880
that maybe stretching the floor just more floor spacing in general,

1003
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,320
I don't know.

1004
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like they played significant or they gave

1005
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,440
significant minutes, like four different rookies last year between like

1006
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,719
Shed and Mobo and jameson Battle and Jacobe Walter didn't

1007
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,159
play quite that much, but down the stretch he was

1008
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,760
he was showing up a lot more. I'm sure, probably

1009
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,519
even forgetting somebody, so like you do have some cost control.

1010
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:46,840
I don't know if those any of those guys are

1011
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,199
gonna be good enough to like feature in like a

1012
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,199
rotation of a good version of the Raptors, but yeah,

1013
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,119
they they If you're gonna be built around Ingram Barnes

1014
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:58,920
quickly on those numbers, you kind of do need to

1015
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,480
just hope that number nine turns into somebody that's in

1016
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:07,119
the rotation. I guess this doesn't it feel like it's

1017
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,239
it's May, and it's already like the twenty five twenty

1018
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,320
six feeling on the Raptors is already like I don't

1019
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,039
have a sense of this team, right.

1020
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they like would you do

1021
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,719
number nine for Christops? Porzingis so be number nine? And

1022
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,519
salary is that too rich with Porzingis his injury history

1023
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:25,719
going in the final year of his deal.

1024
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: Probably too rich, I mean a little bit. You'd have

1025
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,320
to be pretty sure Porzingis was gonna hold up, which

1026
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,000
you I guess you can't be. But like, he makes

1027
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:35,519
a lot of sense on this team.

1028
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: Would this be a good Anthony Davis team if the

1029
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,599
MAVs decided to shop him.

1030
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:42,519
Speaker 2: If you keep yaka Purtle, then he gets to play

1031
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:43,719
power forward. I guess.

1032
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: Number ten they don't need it. They should trade this

1033
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,360
pick because I don't know how this we couldn't even

1034
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,920
get from Shepherd playing time. What do we do at

1035
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,239
number ten? The Rockets that would have been another while

1036
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,559
had they just won the lottery, by the way, with

1037
00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:59,039
the Sun's pick, would have just been hysterical. But then

1038
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,800
Cooper flag to this team would have just been stupid.

1039
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: God you should I'm not.

1040
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: We talked about go check out our Rockets offseason. Look

1041
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
at we were kind of if the right opportunity to

1042
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,199
go all and presents itself, do it, yep. But I'm

1043
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,880
not saying they need to use this pick to do that.

1044
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,719
But I'm absolutely looking at this pick forget about a star,

1045
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,320
but like, can we get some more offensive creativity shop

1046
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,960
making floor spacing, in here. What can you get with

1047
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,000
this pick? Is what I'm immediately asking myself if I'm Houston, I.

1048
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: Think that's the right way to approach it, just because

1049
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,480
of the glut of young players coming do for extensions,

1050
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,400
some of which have already signed them, and it's like,

1051
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,239
you're not You're already way over indexed on like youngish

1052
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,840
and very young guys that we are hoping develop into,

1053
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,679
you know, like bona fide playoff starters. Some of them

1054
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,039
have like you, and I don't know what you're getting

1055
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,119
at ten. Yeah, this needs to be part of a package,

1056
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,719
to a trade package, or you're trading a bunch of

1057
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,920
other guys, I guess, and like clearing the decks because

1058
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,079
you really like whoever you get at ten, But that

1059
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:55,840
seems unlikely.

1060
00:47:56,159 --> 00:48:01,119
Speaker 1: Would you do number ten in jail and Green for Desmond?

1061
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:06,559
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Doesman? Bain's value feels kind of towards It's low

1062
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:09,960
right now, doesn't it. But I guess you're I probably

1063
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,840
would say that about Jalen Green too. Uh. Yeah, I

1064
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,960
think I think I would. I mean, Bain is just

1065
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,480
so much. I mean, if you guys look less reliable

1066
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,599
as like a high end scorer than Green, right now.

1067
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:22,800
So I think you probably do that if you're the Rockets.

1068
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of like what would be

1069
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,039
like the not all in move for them that like,

1070
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:29,840
like who's another guy that sort of checks that box

1071
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:30,960
for them?

1072
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: Bain is right in the in the wheelhouse there, who

1073
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,480
else is in the Bane tier of players, like someone

1074
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:41,440
like well, even he doesn't really address like what you

1075
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,519
know what I mean. I mean, first of all, I

1076
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,320
guess we're just forgetting the read Shepherds going to run

1077
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,320
the show next year and they won't need a playmaker.

1078
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: I want them to trade so many however many players

1079
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,039
they usually open up playing time for reed Shepherds. Like

1080
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,559
that's my off season agenda for the Rockets.

1081
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: That's that's you know what. We all have our we

1082
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,000
all have our our interests.

1083
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:02,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're a team where it's like we're not

1084
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,360
playing necessarily keeper trade, but it's I have no interest

1085
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,639
in them adding. I mean they can also say though,

1086
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,000
like we need another cost control the guy because all

1087
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:11,599
these players are about to get paid.

1088
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I mean, I think we definitely are

1089
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,519
aligned on like they gotta just get somebody in that

1090
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:20,719
upgrades the offense and a tenth pick isn't going to

1091
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,079
do that.

1092
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, here's not the move, but here's about you, said

1093
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,920
Bain Tier, a player hat tip I forgot already. The

1094
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,039
YouTube commenter that said it it was before the lottery,

1095
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,159
said would you give up Jaalen Green plus the Sun's

1096
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:33,159
pick for Tyler Hero?

1097
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, imperfect guy, but like fits what

1098
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,960
they need for sure, and you could cover for him.

1099
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:41,840
Uh yeah, I think I might do.

1100
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: That interesting discussion. I feel like my guess would be

1101
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,159
Rockets fans say not to both of the things we proposed. Yeah,

1102
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:53,320
well number eleven, mister Hughes, the Trailblazers I just too big,

1103
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,400
too good on defense, and yet they're sort of This

1104
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,599
doesn't hurt because I still think I honestly, I'm gonna

1105
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,559
be brutal, honest now rather than a lie to you,

1106
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:02,800
grant you all the time.

1107
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,159
Speaker 2: There's really one of those times.

1108
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: Scoot Henderson is the only possible bite at the cornerstone

1109
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,639
apple they have. I don't see it from Shadon Sharp.

1110
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,840
I can't get there. If you think he's gonna be

1111
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,039
the best player on a contender, I think it would

1112
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,559
be I guess if you're playing the odds, you could

1113
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:20,079
say this team does not have the best player on

1114
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,400
a contender right now, so checking in eleven kind of sucks.

1115
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,039
At the same time, what have we said about them

1116
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:28,880
since the preseason? They just have so many dudes?

1117
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:29,519
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1118
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if they look at moving this

1119
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,960
pick to try and make more of an immediate jump

1120
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,599
based off how they finish the season, because they have

1121
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,199
the potential right now to be so good defensively, Like

1122
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,800
they're just so big, so versatile defensively. Does number eleven

1123
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,519
and what get you someone who comes in and really

1124
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:48,239
jazzes up the offense a little bit?

1125
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: Or can you use eleven to get off of some

1126
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,239
of the salary you don't want? Like, is Brooklyn you

1127
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,800
can't use number eleven to do that?

1128
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: Though?

1129
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,199
Speaker 2: Right? I don't know if it's it's like, hey, Brooklyn,

1130
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,199
you can have eleven and uh YEA was gonna like

1131
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,239
eleven and Jeremy Grant already Brooklyn's like, sorry about eleven.

1132
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: And Jeremy Grant for Camp Johnson. That's just not that's

1133
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,719
too much for Brooklyn to be like, yes, yeah, I.

1134
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: Don't think it's enough. Aiden's the next game on the list.

1135
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,880
Can you go eleven and eight into Brooklyn for like,

1136
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,159
you can't get eight back out of that, right, Like

1137
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,280
because Brooklyn is gonna say, like, we're doing you a favor.

1138
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,679
Speaker 1: Why are we? Why would Brooklyn move back just to

1139
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,000
get dere Aighton.

1140
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,119
Speaker 2: When they trying to get get an anchor in there

1141
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:34,679
that can't make can't dunk. Yeah, I don't know what

1142
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,880
you do with this. This is I guess it's disappointing,

1143
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,199
but I just I like Portland so much that it's

1144
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,400
like they've you know, they weren't gonna they weren't in

1145
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,440
position to get a cornerstone in this draft anyway.

1146
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, this is this may have been the most

1147
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,920
ethical team, like in terms of not just does their

1148
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,159
fan base deserve it, because you could make cases for

1149
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,079
Jazz Wizards, like this was a team that never threw

1150
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,440
in the towel until like the final final, they were

1151
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,159
around the plane for a while. This would have been

1152
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,679
the most ethical lottery winner, I think.

1153
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:06,559
Speaker 2: Right, and because they got to have it both ways,

1154
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,960
Like they played the young guys because the young guys

1155
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,599
were driving success and.

1156
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: The older guys were injured. You gotta take that's that's

1157
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,960
I think those clubs out of Chuncy Billbs' bag next

1158
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,920
season like that. I can't.

1159
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have been fine with winning the lottery.

1160
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,119
That would have been exciting. Although even like flag isn't well,

1161
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:25,440
we'll see, I don't know what he's gonna be off.

1162
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:27,679
Speaker 1: But you talk about their defense if they had flagged

1163
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:33,119
any AFDIA flag and clinging what's that flag number twelve?

1164
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,719
You're in the end here the Chicago Bulls speaking of

1165
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,199
inethical or unethical whatever whatever. I mean, I think this

1166
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,880
is just like kind of they're gonna pay Josh Giddy

1167
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,719
and try and be right back here again next year.

1168
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,039
I guess, like I don't know.

1169
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,519
Speaker 2: And just probably will Like that's just where we are.

1170
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,559
I don't have a lot to say about them. They're

1171
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,239
they're I don't know. Yeah, maybe you trying to think

1172
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,000
like who you package who.

1173
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,559
Speaker 1: He's more likely to trade their pick to try and

1174
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:04,119
make an upgrade Portland or Chicago.

1175
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Is Chicago getting like a

1176
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,159
little saner uh what?

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00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,119
Speaker 1: Based off what? Because they over valued their own picks

1178
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,440
in the zach Lavine trade? Yeah?

1179
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: Probably not because they did just that. The Patrick Williams

1180
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,199
and the not trading Booch. Uh, So I would say

1181
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,440
Chicago has to be more likely to trade this pick

1182
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:25,920
for win.

1183
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: Now it would be like, I just don't. I'm trying

1184
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,760
to look at like, where do they have? Jace Richardson

1185
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,480
has been a popular one for them, but he's like

1186
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:36,440
another shooting guard point guard, just with Kobe. If they

1187
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,440
go that, you have to go best player available. So

1188
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,840
if he's there and he's on your board, but like

1189
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,920
you're about to play Josh Giddy Kobe, why he's gonna

1190
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,119
be up for a new deal, sooning you have Iowa

1191
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:47,559
Summu and Lonzo Ball. I don't. Yeah, I'm I'm not happy.

1192
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,360
I like Bulls fans, so I'm not happy they didn't

1193
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,000
win the lottery. But this team did not deserve to

1194
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,079
win the lottery. They need an organization itself did not

1195
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,119
deserve to Would you rather the Bulls win the lottery

1196
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:59,119
or the Mavericks. The Bulls like the I'm sorry he

1197
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:04,039
now had for the Bulls, I trace it a lot better.

1198
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,119
While the ownership in Dallas sucks too, So never mind. Yeah,

1199
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,559
I think I'm more annoyed that Dallas did it because

1200
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:11,559
they just were sacro sank in the way that they

1201
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:12,400
handled the Luca.

1202
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,079
Speaker 2: Don just too Yeah, and it's also just not that

1203
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,679
interesting if the Bulls win it though, it's just like okay,

1204
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:19,119
we'll take Cooper flag and then what is this team still?

1205
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:19,480
You know?

1206
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: And also like the bull to the Bulls of defense,

1207
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,599
like they were ethical in the sense, like they are

1208
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,000
trying to be exactly here in number twelve in the

1209
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,119
lottery every single year, like the Mavericks traded Luca because

1210
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:30,920
it thought it gave them better title lots.

1211
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: That's just I don't know, We've said a thousand times,

1212
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,400
but that's just never gonna I'm never gonna just glide

1213
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,199
past that.

1214
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: That thinking the Hawks at number thirteen, they got the

1215
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,239
Kings pick here this team, it's really for me, it's

1216
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,000
just they're gonna keep this pick. It's just what's gonna

1217
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:50,800
happen with Tray Young. I don't think that changes what

1218
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,239
they do with the pick one way or the other.

1219
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,760
It's do they try it? Like could they try and

1220
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,039
move up and dangle Trey Young in number thirteen to

1221
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,719
I don't know what team would want Trey Young, Like

1222
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,119
Houston might make some ends for Trey Young, but you're

1223
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:03,679
not moving thirteen and Trey Young for number ten. You're

1224
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,039
even Tray Young for just number ten. But they're not

1225
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,760
draft because even if they keep Trey Young. My point being,

1226
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:10,840
you just keep this pick and you're trying to kind

1227
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,119
of build gradually, and if you're keeping Trey Young, it's

1228
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,559
you think he's young enough to lead the next iteration

1229
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:16,760
of a team that'll be really good.

1230
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's right. I mean it would have

1231
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:23,760
been the San Antonio angle, like can we get that? What?

1232
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,360
Do they have one other pick still, the twenty seven

1233
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:27,119
Hawks pick?

1234
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,639
Speaker 1: They have two still, they can swap in twenty six

1235
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:30,800
and they own twenty seven.

1236
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Young, and the thirteen doesn't get you too, I

1237
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,199
don't think, especially since two is gonna be well again,

1238
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,000
the Spurs could go get you, honest and then also

1239
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,360
use two in a separate trade. Yeah, not a lot here.

1240
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,360
I don't I don't think. I don't think thirteen is

1241
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,320
enough to be like, oh, this is the one that's

1242
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,480
gonna influence a Trey Young trade.

1243
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: Would you I think I've asked you this already. Would

1244
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,400
you if you could right now go to San Antonio

1245
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:56,519
Jalen Johnson for control over your next true draft picks,

1246
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,639
would you take it? Maybe they're even throwing you. The

1247
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,000
Spurs have number fourteen as well, maybe they're even throwing

1248
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:01,239
you that.

1249
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: So you're really your your three draft picks back is

1250
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,719
what you'd be getting Jalen Johnson. So I'm getting my

1251
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,960
twenty six swap and my twenty seven outright unprotected.

1252
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: Back as well as number fourteen in this draft, for

1253
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,800
whatever that's worth to you.

1254
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 2: Uh Man. I wish i'd seen like just another half

1255
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,559
season of Jalen Johnson staying healthy to have a better

1256
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:23,960
sense of this.

1257
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 1: Do the Spurs do that they should? I think, well,

1258
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,599
Johnson's say, you know, keep those Hawks picks, but if

1259
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,119
they were looking to straddle the line rather than go

1260
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:36,000
all in for Giannis, like, Jalen Johnson's a pretty good

1261
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:36,599
fit next to.

1262
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,079
Speaker 2: One, he is a good fit. I just wonder if, like,

1263
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,039
for the level of ambition the Spurs should have and

1264
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,320
trying to build a title winner, is Jalen Johnson making

1265
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,480
thirty million dollars a championship team player? Maybe? But I

1266
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:49,920
don't know, I don't love it.

1267
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,119
Speaker 1: It's like kind of a no from both sides type.

1268
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:53,039
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe.

1269
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: Finally, speaking of the Spurs, they're number fourteen again. Yeah,

1270
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,280
I don't know what you could talk me to anything.

1271
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,719
For the Spurs, it's just like a throw in as

1272
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,960
part of whatever megapackage they get it. Do they decide

1273
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,559
to trade this pick and keep number two? This doesn't

1274
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,360
change anything for them, But they have Wemby and de

1275
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,480
Aaron Fox and Steph Castle and Dev Misel and then

1276
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:13,280
two lottery picks and a bunch of other assets. They

1277
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,360
are absolutely a team to watch over the offseason.

1278
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: I bet you they trade this one just because it's like,

1279
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,000
I don't know, they got so many incoming, and do

1280
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,039
you what are you gonna get here? I don't know.

1281
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:25,840
The Spurs have historically drafted well late, but.

1282
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: And this more so than the number two pick. But

1283
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,960
with all these picks, maybe with the exception of Cooper Flag,

1284
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,519
there's a lot of driving the car off the lot

1285
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:36,440
value appreciation. And with number fourteen, for sure, just like,

1286
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,679
oh we traded we can get a lottery pick. So

1287
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,639
before that player takes the corridor is drafted, there's like

1288
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,960
weird mystique to it. But once he does, it's like

1289
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:45,960
it loses its luster.

1290
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's right. Fun lottery certainly

1291
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:51,280
plenty to talk about. It's it's one of the most

1292
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,840
intriguing ones we've had in a while. But I think

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00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,800
that's going to do it for us. Thanks everybody for listening,

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for watching, thank you for conspiring with us. And that's

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