Speaker 1: Seven oh six fifty five cars de talk station. Look
Speaker 1: at the German music. It must be because we had
Speaker 1: returned into fifty five carssee Morning show. I call them
Speaker 1: our resident German expert and expert in all things German.
Speaker 1: Don Heinrich, Toltzman, d Gate and Zee. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Morning Show.
Speaker 2: Gluten Morgan, Escape News Air Goacher.
Speaker 1: Underba with you feeling Donk going well? Sir, appreciate you
Speaker 1: being on the program, and I actually I think I
Speaker 1: anticipate where you are on this particular subject matter. The
Speaker 1: first one we're going to talk about is FC Cincinnati
Speaker 1: demolishing those historic beer beer tunnels for their three hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar expansion project. Aren't this protected historic relics? They're
Speaker 1: done well.
Speaker 2: You know, I might protest my comments by saying, and
Speaker 2: we've been talking recently together, we have a great brewing
Speaker 2: heritage here and I've written a lot about German heritage
Speaker 2: and a brewing heritage. Historically, were a major beer brewing
Speaker 2: center along with Saint Louis and Milwaukee. And it's not
Speaker 2: surprising that in the greater Cincinnati area we have about
Speaker 2: fifty breweries that have come about and they're brewing all
Speaker 2: kinds of great october Fest beer, and I hope we
Speaker 2: can get together at one of these festivals we have.
Speaker 2: October Fest Cincinnati is coming up in a week, the
Speaker 2: biggest one outside of Munich. And one thing that should
Speaker 2: be noted with all these great breweries we had here,
Speaker 2: especially before Prohibition, they built some wonderful and beautiful breweries.
Speaker 2: They look like castles. Unfortunately they've all been demolished. The
Speaker 2: moor Line Brewery and over the Rhine near Filly Market,
Speaker 2: the Hawk Brewery in the West End, the wado Win
Speaker 2: Brewery in Newport, they've all been demolished, whereas another you know,
Speaker 2: in other cities in places. Fortunately some of these have
Speaker 2: been repurposed, but we've lost some great ones here in
Speaker 2: our area unfortunately, maybe landmarks. Uh. Now. Recently, as you referenced,
Speaker 2: it was reported that FC Cincinnati would demolish the Lager
Speaker 2: beer tunnels in what was the old Lion Brewery. It's
Speaker 2: on the southwest corner of Central Parkway and Liberty Street.
Speaker 2: And I should say when you talk about lager beer,
Speaker 2: lager was a German is a German word for to
Speaker 2: store and age, and when Germans came here, all they
Speaker 2: found was a top fermented beer called ale it's called
Speaker 2: the common beer. And they wanted a bottom fermented beer
Speaker 2: that was stored and aged, usually for about a month.
Speaker 2: And more so they had they had had lagger beer
Speaker 2: sellers tunnels underground where they could store an age the beer. Now,
Speaker 2: the Lion Brewery was built in eighteen sixty six by
Speaker 2: the vendors Milhauser Brewing Company. It was one of the
Speaker 2: largest brewing companies in our area, second only to the
Speaker 2: more Line Brewery. Later on, prohibition, of course, put a
Speaker 2: lot of these breweries out of business, but it was
Speaker 2: re used, most recently by Burger Brewing, but then that
Speaker 2: closed down and in nineteen ninety three the main brewery
Speaker 2: building was demolishing. I'd like to say something about that
Speaker 2: brewery because I'd written about it in some of my books.
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful example of brewery architecture. It was
Speaker 2: like a castle. It had round arches called Romanesque Revival architecture.
Speaker 2: And right where Central Parkway is now it was the
Speaker 2: Miami Erie Canal, so it was located right there along
Speaker 2: the canal. People like to be on the canal because
Speaker 2: you could ship and receive stuff. I mean, you know
Speaker 2: that whole area was defined by the canal became known
Speaker 2: as the Rhine, and a lot of breweries were of
Speaker 2: course and over the Rhine, but many were also in
Speaker 2: the West End, such as the Hawk Brewery, which unfortunately
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful building, was also torn down, and so
Speaker 2: the Lion. It was called the Lion Brewery. And think
Speaker 2: about this, the storage tunnels it could store their thirty
Speaker 2: thousand barrels of beer. Whoa, but enough for many Logger
Speaker 2: beer festivals, I would say. But these these Louder beer sellers,
Speaker 2: there were rock lined vaults underground where they could store
Speaker 2: the beer. Now, the reports which have been in the
Speaker 2: media indicate that these Louder tunnels were planned to become
Speaker 2: a restaurant or bar uh and there would be skylights
Speaker 2: uh uh leading down to a stairway into space below
Speaker 2: where there there's be a bar or restaurant. And the
Speaker 2: reports that I read said this was supposed to be
Speaker 2: a tribute to our brewing heritage. But now plans have
Speaker 2: apparently changed, which ans to me like a bait and
Speaker 2: switch game. Uh. Promise something and then change it. Uh.
Speaker 2: The new reports indicate that the location of these stone
Speaker 2: vaults interfere with plans for a massive mixed use construction
Speaker 2: near the new the stadium, the FC Cincinnati Stadium, and
Speaker 2: the reports that they need to uh remove these vaults
Speaker 2: for the construction there. And so I should also add
Speaker 2: that FC Cincinnati was responsible for the demolition of a
Speaker 2: church building nearby that recently housed the Revelation Baptist Church
Speaker 2: and was originally a German Lutheran church. So you know,
Speaker 2: there there are a lot of structures and buildings that
Speaker 2: have been demolished in our area that are parts of
Speaker 2: part of the cultural heritage of our area. I know
Speaker 2: many people for example, they talk about the alb uh
Speaker 2: Theater downtown and there's other buildings. But once you demolish something, uh,
Speaker 2: it's gone.
Speaker 1: Can't And well, these historic battles have been waged, you know,
Speaker 1: over time, and you know a lot of historic homes.
Speaker 1: We should preserve that. And then while who's going to
Speaker 1: pay for it? And that's usually what it comes down to, well,
Speaker 1: who's going to pay for it? But this is something
Speaker 1: that can exist on its own. It's there already. I
Speaker 1: don't know what These vaults don't need maintenance and upkeeper anything,
Speaker 1: do they They're just part of history in the right
Speaker 1: there and just not being used. So out they go,
Speaker 1: and then goes the new buildings and infrastructure. But I
Speaker 1: want to go back to the point you made about
Speaker 1: this is the bait and switch. They had promised to
Speaker 1: keep these vaults. That the original plan involved maintaining and
Speaker 1: and and upholding the brewing tradition of the city.
Speaker 2: That's what what I have read in the reports that
Speaker 2: the reports were that the plans were to have a
Speaker 2: restaurant and bar, that there red lighting and money was
Speaker 2: described as monumental stairs leading down into that space. So
Speaker 2: there apparently were those kinds of plans. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened to them, but yeah, the recent plans looked
Speaker 2: like they've been changed. Now. You know, the beautiful brewery
Speaker 2: building itself was demolished in nineteen ninety three, and as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I wrote about that in the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Inquire that time at the time about how buildings
Speaker 2: were being torn down and demolished. So what is underground
Speaker 2: is just like the last remnants of the of that brewery.
Speaker 2: And surprised that.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you can't coexist and.
Speaker 2: That you know, the demolition can be undone.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean said the case all the
Speaker 1: time in terms of you know, in ninety early nineties,
Speaker 1: when they when they knocked down the historic building, was
Speaker 1: there a discussion about preserving it and transforming it into
Speaker 1: something that people would use, like a restaurant or you know,
Speaker 1: fill in the blank anything. There were their efforts to
Speaker 1: save it or was just like one day was there
Speaker 1: and the next day they knocked it down and in
Speaker 1: favor of building something else.
Speaker 2: Well, the parts of the building, the brewery building were
Speaker 2: used that weren't torn down. Part of it was used
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Ballet Company, so there were still some
Speaker 2: parts of the building that were left, but the main
Speaker 2: brew house was no longer there.
Speaker 1: But were there any efforts to keep it at the time?
Speaker 1: Was there any fight, because we have these historic building
Speaker 1: fights all the time, like you know, some win and
Speaker 1: some lose, some get knocked down, some are preserved. I
Speaker 1: don't know what factors or criteria go into the decision making.
Speaker 1: My question though, to you, Harry Toltzman, is at the
Speaker 1: time before they knocked that building down, were there efforts
Speaker 1: to preserve it, whether it was an argument made to
Speaker 1: keep it, or was it just no, it's going and
Speaker 1: it's gone.
Speaker 2: I think the decision was made at that time to
Speaker 2: tear it down because of the it hadn't been used
Speaker 2: as a brewery by that time for about twenty years,
Speaker 2: I think, so the decision then was made to demolish
Speaker 2: it rather than as far as I can recall, there
Speaker 2: were no ideas or proposals to preserve the building. So
Speaker 2: a lot of buildings were demolished. But you know, I
Speaker 2: can understand that that if the plan changed now and
Speaker 2: they want to come up with a new plan, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's understandable then it would be very costly and maybe
Speaker 2: to go back to this other idea of having an
Speaker 2: undernound restaurant and bar and so on. But what I
Speaker 2: would say, and I might want to mention too, the
Speaker 2: tomorrow I'm going to be talking at the house house
Speaker 2: in the west End. I'm going to be talking about
Speaker 2: John how west End bear on it?
Speaker 1: Well, Don I'll tell you what. I'll let you plug
Speaker 1: that we come back because were out of time and
Speaker 1: I want to hear a little bit more about what
Speaker 1: you're going to be speaking about in terms of the
Speaker 1: how KYU. So let's bring har Toltzman back for a
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Speaker 1: On the next segment, the owner of a brand new
Speaker 1: brewery talking about Don Tolten here on the fund since
Speaker 1: I brew in tradition, alive and well, he mentioned about
Speaker 1: fifty plus breweries right now in operation and Hearthbury is
Speaker 1: the newest one, so we'll hear about that next. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, you mentioned you're going to be at the
Speaker 1: John Hawk House tomorrow. He is one of the beer
Speaker 1: barons you wrote about in your book Cincinnati Beer Barons
Speaker 1: in the Golden Age Brewery.
Speaker 2: He was one of the great brewers in our area.
Speaker 2: He brewed a beer that was called a premium beer
Speaker 2: and had a magnificent brewery that was in the West End. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: that's now gone by The Hulk House is the residents
Speaker 2: of the Hawk family is still there and it's maintained
Speaker 2: and owned by the Cincinnati Preservation Association. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to be speaking there tomorrow at ten thirty. I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about how and beer bearings, and also I
Speaker 2: make reference to these buildings that have been demolished. And
Speaker 2: one thing I might mention. I understand that with the
Speaker 2: current plans in place, that they have to demolish what
Speaker 2: is left, what is the remnants of a magnificent brewery,
Speaker 2: wipes out part of the heritage, the brewing heritage. But
Speaker 2: I would say this, Okay, I can understand the rationale,
Speaker 2: but why not then make a contribution to amend for
Speaker 2: the loss of this part of the brewing heritage. And
Speaker 2: I would say, could FC Cincinnati, for example, make a
Speaker 2: contribution to the how House that would in some way
Speaker 2: compensate for the loss of all the brewery buildings that
Speaker 2: we've lost here. People forget them, uh, And I appreciate
Speaker 2: we're getting new breweries, but we had a great tradition here.
Speaker 2: So I would I would say this, and I would
Speaker 2: appeal to the conscience of SC Cincinnati, that is, if
Speaker 2: it has one to make a contribution for all the
Speaker 2: billings and the Lion Brewery in particular, that we have
Speaker 2: lost in this church. I mentioned, uh that I don't
Speaker 2: think they should be forgotten and just swept away and
Speaker 2: the how John Howe was an important brewer. These brewers
Speaker 2: gave back to the community. He for example, saved the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Zoo from bankruptcy when it was just about going
Speaker 2: to fold and close down. He introduced he owned the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds. He introduced the beer being served at a
Speaker 2: Reds baseball game. So think about that when you go
Speaker 2: to a baseball and we say, for granted, you can
Speaker 2: get a beer. Well, at one time beer was not
Speaker 2: served at a baseball game. People were against it, part
Speaker 2: of the Puritan Yeah, so he pioneered that. So I
Speaker 2: mean what I'm talking about, what I've been trying to
Speaker 2: record as well. Know we talked about many times there
Speaker 2: are a lot of things in our heritage that should
Speaker 2: of the Cincinnati area. They are important, and this is
Speaker 2: why people come to our area because of our great beer.
Speaker 2: We have here a great heritage, and things get lost
Speaker 2: in the course of time. Some of them ought to
Speaker 2: be remembered, and I think the Lion Brewery was an
Speaker 2: important part of the architectural heritage of our area.
Speaker 1: Well, what time are you going to be at the
Speaker 1: house house which is located for my listeners, it's eight
Speaker 1: twelve Dayton Street, downtown Cincinnati, eight and it is a
Speaker 1: beautiful Italianate home, so absolutely gorgeous historic home that's being preserved.
Speaker 1: What time are you going to be there?
Speaker 2: Done? I'm going to be there at ten thirty. And
Speaker 2: I should also mention we have some great brewing memorabilia
Speaker 2: collectors and a good friend of mine, Carl Grows, will
Speaker 2: be there and he'll have some interesting, beautiful pieces of
Speaker 2: glassware and someone that was produced by the how Brewery.
Speaker 2: They're going to be on display there, so I hope
Speaker 2: people interested in brewing heritage would come out. And I
Speaker 2: would like to thank you too, Brian, for all you
Speaker 2: do to help preserve interest and the heritage of our
Speaker 2: area and all.
Speaker 1: In my mind it all surrounds fun. Anytime I'm hanging
Speaker 1: out with the Germans or these festivals and doing anything
Speaker 1: with the Germans, it seems to be a festive party
Speaker 1: like atmosphere. And mentioning the word again Gamuti Kite, which
Speaker 1: always comes up. Don Heinrich Toltzman, always a pleasure to
Speaker 1: talk with, my friend. Good luck with that speech tomorrow
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Speaker 1: Jos Jrek will put the link air on the blog
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Speaker 1: I hope don have a great day.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Won't keep in touch.
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