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<v Speaker 1>Seven oh six fifty five cars de talk station. Look

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<v Speaker 1>at the German music. It must be because we had

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<v Speaker 1>returned into fifty five carssee Morning show. I call them

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<v Speaker 1>our resident German expert and expert in all things German.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Heinrich, Toltzman, d Gate and Zee. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Gluten Morgan, Escape News Air Goacher.

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<v Speaker 1>Underba with you feeling Donk going well? Sir, appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>being on the program, and I actually I think I

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<v Speaker 1>anticipate where you are on this particular subject matter. The

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<v Speaker 1>first one we're going to talk about is FC Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>demolishing those historic beer beer tunnels for their three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar expansion project. Aren't this protected historic relics? They're

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<v Speaker 1>done well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I might protest my comments by saying, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've been talking recently together, we have a great brewing

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<v Speaker 2>heritage here and I've written a lot about German heritage

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<v Speaker 2>and a brewing heritage. Historically, were a major beer brewing

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<v Speaker 2>center along with Saint Louis and Milwaukee. And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>surprising that in the greater Cincinnati area we have about

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<v Speaker 2>fifty breweries that have come about and they're brewing all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of great october Fest beer, and I hope we

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<v Speaker 2>can get together at one of these festivals we have.

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<v Speaker 2>October Fest Cincinnati is coming up in a week, the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest one outside of Munich. And one thing that should

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<v Speaker 2>be noted with all these great breweries we had here,

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<v Speaker 2>especially before Prohibition, they built some wonderful and beautiful breweries.

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<v Speaker 2>They look like castles. Unfortunately they've all been demolished. The

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<v Speaker 2>moor Line Brewery and over the Rhine near Filly Market,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hawk Brewery in the West End, the wado Win

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<v Speaker 2>Brewery in Newport, they've all been demolished, whereas another you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in other cities in places. Fortunately some of these have

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<v Speaker 2>been repurposed, but we've lost some great ones here in

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<v Speaker 2>our area unfortunately, maybe landmarks. Uh. Now. Recently, as you referenced,

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<v Speaker 2>it was reported that FC Cincinnati would demolish the Lager

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<v Speaker 2>beer tunnels in what was the old Lion Brewery. It's

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<v Speaker 2>on the southwest corner of Central Parkway and Liberty Street.

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<v Speaker 2>And I should say when you talk about lager beer,

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<v Speaker 2>lager was a German is a German word for to

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<v Speaker 2>store and age, and when Germans came here, all they

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<v Speaker 2>found was a top fermented beer called ale it's called

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<v Speaker 2>the common beer. And they wanted a bottom fermented beer

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<v Speaker 2>that was stored and aged, usually for about a month.

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<v Speaker 2>And more so they had they had had lagger beer

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<v Speaker 2>sellers tunnels underground where they could store an age the beer. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lion Brewery was built in eighteen sixty six by

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<v Speaker 2>the vendors Milhauser Brewing Company. It was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>largest brewing companies in our area, second only to the

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<v Speaker 2>more Line Brewery. Later on, prohibition, of course, put a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these breweries out of business, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>re used, most recently by Burger Brewing, but then that

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<v Speaker 2>closed down and in nineteen ninety three the main brewery

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<v Speaker 2>building was demolishing. I'd like to say something about that

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<v Speaker 2>brewery because I'd written about it in some of my books.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a wonderful example of brewery architecture. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like a castle. It had round arches called Romanesque Revival architecture.

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<v Speaker 2>And right where Central Parkway is now it was the

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<v Speaker 2>Miami Erie Canal, so it was located right there along

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<v Speaker 2>the canal. People like to be on the canal because

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<v Speaker 2>you could ship and receive stuff. I mean, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that whole area was defined by the canal became known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Rhine, and a lot of breweries were of

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<v Speaker 2>course and over the Rhine, but many were also in

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<v Speaker 2>the West End, such as the Hawk Brewery, which unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>it's a beautiful building, was also torn down, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the Lion. It was called the Lion Brewery. And think

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<v Speaker 2>about this, the storage tunnels it could store their thirty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand barrels of beer. Whoa, but enough for many Logger

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<v Speaker 2>beer festivals, I would say. But these these Louder beer sellers,

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<v Speaker 2>there were rock lined vaults underground where they could store

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<v Speaker 2>the beer. Now, the reports which have been in the

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<v Speaker 2>media indicate that these Louder tunnels were planned to become

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<v Speaker 2>a restaurant or bar uh and there would be skylights

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<v Speaker 2>uh uh leading down to a stairway into space below

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<v Speaker 2>where there there's be a bar or restaurant. And the

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<v Speaker 2>reports that I read said this was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>a tribute to our brewing heritage. But now plans have

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<v Speaker 2>apparently changed, which ans to me like a bait and

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<v Speaker 2>switch game. Uh. Promise something and then change it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The new reports indicate that the location of these stone

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<v Speaker 2>vaults interfere with plans for a massive mixed use construction

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<v Speaker 2>near the new the stadium, the FC Cincinnati Stadium, and

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<v Speaker 2>the reports that they need to uh remove these vaults

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<v Speaker 2>for the construction there. And so I should also add

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<v Speaker 2>that FC Cincinnati was responsible for the demolition of a

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<v Speaker 2>church building nearby that recently housed the Revelation Baptist Church

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<v Speaker 2>and was originally a German Lutheran church. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there there are a lot of structures and buildings that

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<v Speaker 2>have been demolished in our area that are parts of

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<v Speaker 2>part of the cultural heritage of our area. I know

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<v Speaker 2>many people for example, they talk about the alb uh

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<v Speaker 2>Theater downtown and there's other buildings. But once you demolish something, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't And well, these historic battles have been waged, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>over time, and you know a lot of historic homes.

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<v Speaker 1>We should preserve that. And then while who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it? And that's usually what it comes down to, well,

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to pay for it? But this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that can exist on its own. It's there already. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what These vaults don't need maintenance and upkeeper anything,

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<v Speaker 1>do they They're just part of history in the right

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<v Speaker 1>there and just not being used. So out they go,

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<v Speaker 1>and then goes the new buildings and infrastructure. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go back to the point you made about

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<v Speaker 1>this is the bait and switch. They had promised to

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<v Speaker 1>keep these vaults. That the original plan involved maintaining and

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<v Speaker 1>and and upholding the brewing tradition of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what what I have read in the reports that

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<v Speaker 2>the reports were that the plans were to have a

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant and bar, that there red lighting and money was

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<v Speaker 2>described as monumental stairs leading down into that space. So

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<v Speaker 2>there apparently were those kinds of plans. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to them, but yeah, the recent plans looked

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<v Speaker 2>like they've been changed. Now. You know, the beautiful brewery

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<v Speaker 2>building itself was demolished in nineteen ninety three, and as

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, I wrote about that in the

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Inquire that time at the time about how buildings

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<v Speaker 2>were being torn down and demolished. So what is underground

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<v Speaker 2>is just like the last remnants of the of that brewery.

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<v Speaker 2>And surprised that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised you can't coexist and.

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<v Speaker 2>That you know, the demolition can be undone.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean said the case all the

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<v Speaker 1>time in terms of you know, in ninety early nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>when they when they knocked down the historic building, was

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<v Speaker 1>there a discussion about preserving it and transforming it into

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<v Speaker 1>something that people would use, like a restaurant or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fill in the blank anything. There were their efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>save it or was just like one day was there

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<v Speaker 1>and the next day they knocked it down and in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of building something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the parts of the building, the brewery building were

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<v Speaker 2>used that weren't torn down. Part of it was used

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<v Speaker 2>for the Cincinnati Ballet Company, so there were still some

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the building that were left, but the main

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<v Speaker 2>brew house was no longer there.

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<v Speaker 1>But were there any efforts to keep it at the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Was there any fight, because we have these historic building

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<v Speaker 1>fights all the time, like you know, some win and

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<v Speaker 1>some lose, some get knocked down, some are preserved. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what factors or criteria go into the decision making.

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<v Speaker 1>My question though, to you, Harry Toltzman, is at the

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<v Speaker 1>time before they knocked that building down, were there efforts

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<v Speaker 1>to preserve it, whether it was an argument made to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it, or was it just no, it's going and

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<v Speaker 1>it's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the decision was made at that time to

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<v Speaker 2>tear it down because of the it hadn't been used

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<v Speaker 2>as a brewery by that time for about twenty years,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, so the decision then was made to demolish

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<v Speaker 2>it rather than as far as I can recall, there

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<v Speaker 2>were no ideas or proposals to preserve the building. So

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of buildings were demolished. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>can understand that that if the plan changed now and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to come up with a new plan, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's understandable then it would be very costly and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to this other idea of having an

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<v Speaker 2>undernound restaurant and bar and so on. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, and I might want to mention too, the

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow I'm going to be talking at the house house

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<v Speaker 2>in the west End. I'm going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>John how west End bear on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Don I'll tell you what. I'll let you plug

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<v Speaker 1>that we come back because were out of time and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear a little bit more about what

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be speaking about in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>how KYU. So let's bring har Toltzman back for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more minutes at seven to seventeen right now for

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<v Speaker 1>We're less than two weeks so well, and he plods that.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next segment, the owner of a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>brewery talking about Don Tolten here on the fund since

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<v Speaker 1>I brew in tradition, alive and well, he mentioned about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty plus breweries right now in operation and Hearthbury is

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<v Speaker 1>the newest one, so we'll hear about that next. In

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, you mentioned you're going to be at the

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<v Speaker 1>John Hawk House tomorrow. He is one of the beer

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<v Speaker 1>barons you wrote about in your book Cincinnati Beer Barons

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<v Speaker 1>in the Golden Age Brewery.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of the great brewers in our area.

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<v Speaker 2>He brewed a beer that was called a premium beer

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<v Speaker 2>and had a magnificent brewery that was in the West End. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>that's now gone by The Hulk House is the residents

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<v Speaker 2>of the Hawk family is still there and it's maintained

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<v Speaker 2>and owned by the Cincinnati Preservation Association. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to be speaking there tomorrow at ten thirty. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about how and beer bearings, and also I

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<v Speaker 2>make reference to these buildings that have been demolished. And

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I might mention. I understand that with the

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<v Speaker 2>current plans in place, that they have to demolish what

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<v Speaker 2>is left, what is the remnants of a magnificent brewery,

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<v Speaker 2>wipes out part of the heritage, the brewing heritage. But

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<v Speaker 2>I would say this, Okay, I can understand the rationale,

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<v Speaker 2>but why not then make a contribution to amend for

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<v Speaker 2>the loss of this part of the brewing heritage. And

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, could FC Cincinnati, for example, make a

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<v Speaker 2>contribution to the how House that would in some way

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<v Speaker 2>compensate for the loss of all the brewery buildings that

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<v Speaker 2>we've lost here. People forget them, uh, And I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting new breweries, but we had a great tradition here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would I would say this, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>appeal to the conscience of SC Cincinnati, that is, if

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<v Speaker 2>it has one to make a contribution for all the

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<v Speaker 2>billings and the Lion Brewery in particular, that we have

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<v Speaker 2>lost in this church. I mentioned, uh that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they should be forgotten and just swept away and

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<v Speaker 2>the how John Howe was an important brewer. These brewers

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<v Speaker 2>gave back to the community. He for example, saved the

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Zoo from bankruptcy when it was just about going

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<v Speaker 2>to fold and close down. He introduced he owned the

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Reds. He introduced the beer being served at a

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<v Speaker 2>Reds baseball game. So think about that when you go

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<v Speaker 2>to a baseball and we say, for granted, you can

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<v Speaker 2>get a beer. Well, at one time beer was not

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<v Speaker 2>served at a baseball game. People were against it, part

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<v Speaker 2>of the Puritan Yeah, so he pioneered that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>mean what I'm talking about, what I've been trying to

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<v Speaker 2>record as well. Know we talked about many times there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of things in our heritage that should

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<v Speaker 2>of the Cincinnati area. They are important, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>why people come to our area because of our great beer.

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<v Speaker 2>We have here a great heritage, and things get lost

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<v Speaker 2>in the course of time. Some of them ought to

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<v Speaker 2>be remembered, and I think the Lion Brewery was an

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<v Speaker 2>important part of the architectural heritage of our area.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what time are you going to be at the

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<v Speaker 1>house house which is located for my listeners, it's eight

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<v Speaker 1>twelve Dayton Street, downtown Cincinnati, eight and it is a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful Italianate home, so absolutely gorgeous historic home that's being preserved.

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<v Speaker 1>What time are you going to be there?

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<v Speaker 2>Done? I'm going to be there at ten thirty. And

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<v Speaker 2>I should also mention we have some great brewing memorabilia

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<v Speaker 2>collectors and a good friend of mine, Carl Grows, will

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<v Speaker 2>be there and he'll have some interesting, beautiful pieces of

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<v Speaker 2>glassware and someone that was produced by the how Brewery.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to be on display there, so I hope

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<v Speaker 2>people interested in brewing heritage would come out. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to thank you too, Brian, for all you

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<v Speaker 2>do to help preserve interest and the heritage of our

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<v Speaker 2>area and all.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind it all surrounds fun. Anytime I'm hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out with the Germans or these festivals and doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>with the Germans, it seems to be a festive party

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<v Speaker 1>like atmosphere. And mentioning the word again Gamuti Kite, which

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<v Speaker 1>always comes up. Don Heinrich Toltzman, always a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 1>talk with, my friend. Good luck with that speech tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>again the Houke House. It's located at eight twelve Dayton Street.

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<v Speaker 1>Jos Jrek will put the link air on the blog

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<v Speaker 1>page fifty five care Sea dot com. We'll talk again soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope don have a great day.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much. Won't keep in touch.

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