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Speaker 2: D Well Pete. It's good to have you back, but
I do have a very important question for you.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: What's it like being in a first world country.
Speaker 1: I'll answer that after I say hello to Charles. Hey,
what's going on?
Speaker 3: Charles, Hey, Pete, Good to have you back, Nice to
see again. Yeah. Well, here's here's what I will say.
Speaker 1: I will say that I've come to the conclusion that
you know, if you well, I've come to the conclusion
that pretty much the only way that you're going to
have any kind of order like that.
Speaker 2: Here is.
Speaker 1: It would have to be widespread, but it would also
have to be extremely localized. I mean, you a national
police force here, you have six there's six point six million.
Speaker 3: People in El Salvador.
Speaker 1: There's what three hundred and fifty million here, I mean,
and we don't know how many illegals. So national police
force here is probably just going to become another frigging
USAID kind of bullshit program. So I think that one
thing that I was taught by going there is that
even though I think six million is still too many
for a for a polity, for a proper polity, it's
a lot easier to deal with than three hundred and
fifty million, And that it just basically tells me more
and more that you know, we need to split up
and we need to break this down into pieces, and
that if you are going to have order, and if
you're going to bring order out of what has been disorder,
then you're going to have to have a fuck around
and find out kind of attitude. And that's what I
saw there. The one thing that you see there is
you see that there's still poverty, and there's always going
to be poverty because you have a certain segment of
that popular in a large segment is very low IQ
and you know, there's not much you can do for
them except you know, no bless oblige and if they're
all else, if they're all Salvadorians, if they're all you know,
cousins related, something that's a lot easier to do. But
the thing I saw from the richest neighborhood to the
barrios that I drew that we drove through and back
and forth from the airport and taking ubers and things
like that, is that if you're going to clean up
and if you're not going to have an armed presence
on the street after that, and I'm talking about they
have a civil guard with shotguns. These are people who
these are normally probably more like native to the land
kind of people who are the civil guard. And then
you have the military, which the military to me seemed
more like European Spaniards and they're walking around at m.
Sixteen's fully strapped, ready to go. That's just the way
order is going to have to be done, especially coming
out of We're not coming out of the era of being,
you know, the murder capital of the world like they are.
But there are sections of this country that none of
us wants a visit. So as a going forward, if
you want to learn anything from El Salvador and what
bou Kelly's doing is I mean, there's there's numerous things,
but I can start with I'll talk about prisons if
you want to, because I've I've learned a lot about
the prison system down there, which isn't just you know,
a max where they put people forever they have. They
have another prison prison system there which is doing incredible
things and not just for the prisoners, but they're actually
making them work for the whole fucking country. But if
you're going to have order, if you're going to if
if if D's wife is going to be able to
walk to store, walk to the store at night without
worried about getting hassled. Then you're going to have we're
going to have to have a different, a different approach
to how we deal with things.
Speaker 3: Absolutely that this is yes, well, I'm going to warn
you guys ahead of time that I'm going to warn
you guys ahead of time that I'm I'm going to
try not to step on toes. But this is all
very much in my baliwick. So forgive me if I
keep jumping in very very frequently. But yes, I I
co sign everything you're saying, Pete. We have to the
entire view of both imprisonment and law enforcement in this
country has to be completely re evaluated, since most of
our ideas regard incarceration are about two hundred to two
hundred and fifty years old, and they just don't apply anymore.
They just don't apply anymore. It's that simple. Deep Please
go ahead. I don't want to stomp on you.
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's all right. You know far more about
this than I do. I just I'll just say that
in some sociology work I did many years ago in college, right,
you look into the history of prisons and it's this
like absolutely bad shit Quaker idea of like we'll just
make you sit in your room with no books and
like go to your room. I'm gonna take your game,
but take your take your Nintendo. Yeah, and I'm gonna
give you just copy the Bible and you'll think about
how bad a person you are, and you'll feel bad
and then you'll then you'll reform your life. It's like
not only your Quakers like theologically retarded in all kinds
of ways, right, Like they're they're the most smug, obnoxious,
sort of Northeastern Protestant out of everybody. But also like
that doesn't it barely court sort of kind of almost
worked in like rural New England or Pennsylvania. It really
doesn't work with populations of red Indians and Mestizos and
Blacks and you know, literally everything everyone from all across
the world in New York right, Like, I guarantee you
there's prisoners, violent criminals in New York City from at
least seventy countries in New York jails right now, at
least seventy.
Speaker 1: That's a safe that's a safe estimate. That Riker, that's
a safe estimate. Rikers Island is definitely a multi cult
liberal or progressives multicultural.
Speaker 2: Paradise, right, I mean because and so this this notion
that we can like, well, if someone doesn't have the IQ, right,
Like I forget what the threshold is, but it's in
the nineties right to honestly self reflect. So if someone's
if someone's some negro dude who's got an IQ of
eighty two, which is not unreasonable for that population, right,
it's literally not really capable of self assessment. Setting him
in a box, all that does is like endanger other
people that are around him and maybe keep the people
outside safe and endanger the guards, right.
Speaker 3: If yeah, yeah, if very much endangers absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you have to someone like that, like you
need to like throw them in jail for talking to
white women. And that's and and people will be like
that sounds like you know what, what's the Oh the
kid that got lynched, his dad was a rapist who
probably sexually assaulted uh and until met your efforts Emmett
Till right, Like you know that's the Emmett Till thing.
He was killed for whistling at a white woman. Yes, yeah,
because that's the kind of standard you have to have
to control these people of like Nope. The second you
loosen up and and he wasn't, you know, he wasn't.
He was killed because he like sexually assaulted that lady.
Speaker 4: Right, And.
Speaker 2: You know, we all know, we all know what the
difference is. But the cultural standard that worked in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia,
you know, Louisiana for one hundred years was boy, you
don't even talk to white women.
Speaker 3: Well again, like just to kind of yeah, just to
kind of go into some of your points to remember, like,
let's just wheel it back just a little bit. You
were talking about these principles didn't really work in New
England or barely functioned in New England, Pennsylvania, things like that,
the areas that are Pennsylvan you from from all those places,
like they barely functioned there, and you were one hundred
percent right, That's what I meant by these ideas are antiquated.
The goal was to put you in a cell by
yourself so you could think about what you did wrong. Okay,
that might might work with guys in this chat right
now and people listening to this program, and even then
I would argue that probably wouldn't work completely well because
obviously if somebody messes with either of your wives. You're
going to take you're going to throw hands, you're going
to do something, and there's nothing to think about. There's
nothing to regret. What are you going to regret? No,
I protected my family. This is my job. I'm a husband,
I'm a father, I'm a man. So okay, So first off,
we cut right through that. So if you might be
fully justified in why you're in prison, so that's fifty
percent off of your your self assessment anyway. And then
even if you aren't justified, okay, guy, guys with Riq
and the listeners, yeah you might, you might reflect and go, Okay,
I did something wrong and all that. But you don't
need prison to do that. You could just sit in
the back seat of a squad car and you'll go, man,
what I did was stupid. I can't believe I did that.
I shouldn't have drank so much, or I shouldn't let
him get to me. Whatever. You don't need prison. There's
an excellent book by a man named James Berry. He
was the last executioner. It's called My I Always Say
My Thoughts as an executioner or something. His name is
James Berry. If you look it up and it's it's excellent,
and he talks about how prison reform is absolutely and
the death penalty is absolutely necessary, but it needs to
be reworked because again you're you're not really applying it
in a way that's functioning properly. It's it's it's all
backwards and it's all outdated, and it doesn't it doesn't
align with how most people, to bring your point d it,
most people operate. It just doesn't align with the actual
operations of the world, the way we do things, aligned
with as you pointed out, you know Quakers are already
at all I'll be charitable. I won't say that they're
weirdos or lunatics. I'll just say they'll be charitable and
say they don't think like most other people. They're a
very unique subset of a subset of people, a subset
of a subset, So you can't apply their standards to
as you said, Pete, you know, seventy plus nationalities, ethnicities
would have you in Riker's Island. It's just not going
to work. It just doesn't work. And when we go
down to the IQ, I want to say, the average
Black in America is eighty five and the average mestizo
is eighty six if I'm correct, I mean somebody in
the chat. I'm sure and the audience could double check
my numbers. But when you're dealing with an item of the.
Speaker 2: Negroes and the the mestizas are like ninety one, I think, okay, okay,
ninety something like that, it's not high.
Speaker 3: It's not significantly higher. And when you add the fact
there's probably ten times then than there are blacks that
we're still in trouble. But moving forward to the point
of making here like these people, you can't let them
sit in a box and think about what they did,
because instead of thinking about what they did was wrong,
they'll think about how they can do it to get
away with it next time. They're not reflecting on their punishment.
They're reflecting on how how they got caught. So that's
why corporal punishment needs to come back again to kind
of address your point D about the whole Well, he
was beaten for whistling and a white woman, it's like, well,
because that's the only thing they understand. I can't sit
them in the back of the squad car and let
them think about it. It doesn't work again, not to
be flippant. But these are the people who answer the question,
but I had breakfast, but I did eat breakfast, So
how can you get them to reflect on their misdeeds?
It doesn't work. You have to corporally punish them. You
have to bring back the stocks.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, if they're incapable of reflecting on, like how
would they feel if they hadn't in breakfast? They're certainly
not capable of reflecting on, like how would my life
be different if I'd make better choices?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And and and you know, I'll I'll I'll cuck out
here and admit some leftist stuff is true, like there
are you know, structural problems that you know, the whole
individual's right wing libertarian nonsense of just like nah, man,
Like if you grow up in an environment where it's
normative that uncles drink and then molest their nieces like
on reservations, like, there's no way you're not coming up
messed up out of that, Like I'm sorry, yeah, you know,
you can't just like bootstrap your way into into like
being a functioning, healthy human being. I'm sorry, Like it's
just it's just not. Now. The question then becomes is,
like how do how does the wider society deal with
dysfunctional populations inside of it? You know, inside you're like,
do you like encapsulate it and then cut it out?
Do you? You're like, what do you do? Like there's
this this tumor in the body politic where you know,
it's normative to like get really high and hurt people
or or drive drunk or like you know, mestizos love
love child molestation. That's there. They're like that and driving
drunk those are their two favorite you know, So yeah,
what do you do with those people?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so like if that's the thing that
they do, right, just just like Jews and financial crime,
like like if those are things that they do, how
do you deal with that? And and Naibu Kelly God
bless him, the best president in the world right now,
he actually is dealing with reality in front of him.
I can't remember which king it is, but you know,
someone was like asking, I think the Australi Hungarian Emperor.
I'm probably wrong, you know, or or maybe the Serbians
is like, you know, why don't you act more like
the king of the Swedens, the Swedes? Who does this? This?
This is when my people are Swedes will act like
the King of the Swedes, right, Yeah, Now, you bickl
understands like he's the president of El Salvador and so
he needs to treat them like l Salvadorans, which is
to say, like, nah, bro, you got the fat the
face tattoo. Whether whether you're guilty or not, I'm gonna
treat you like you act, and you act like you
murder people for fun because you got the chear draft
tattoo on your face. Now, whether you did or not,
we'll leave that up to the courts to decide. But
in the meantime, go to jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to bring I want to raise
a point here to your I want to raise a
point here to your your quote about the when I'm
king of the Swedes, I'm king of the Swedes, or
I'll treat my people like their Swedes when I'm king
of the Swedes. Yeah. What I like to bring them
up in times like this is that often and frequently
misquoted passage from The Prince, where Machiavelli writes when in
the question of whether it is better to be loved
or feared, everybody immediately jumps to, oh, it's better to
be feared than loved. It's like, well, that's not actually
the real quote. Yeah, the real quote is in the
question of whether it is better to be loved or feared,
the answer is, of course, it is best to be both.
It is best to be both. So to go back
to the point that you were raising there like d
you're a father. I'm not doxing anything about that. You've
made that publicly known. If you really love your children,
you're going to treat them like who they are, like
who their father is, who their mother is, what they
are the product of. You're not going to raise them
like there's somebody else's kids. Why Because your kids have
specific needs, respond to specific things, desire certain things, and
need certain concessions that other children don't. And those other
children need the need different things than your children. It's
not a matter of a it's not a matter of hate.
If anything, it's a matter of love. You understand the
people that are in your charge, that are under your care,
and you address their needs, their behaviors, and you discipline
them in a way that will turn them into the
best possible citizens of your household. Does that make sense
to do? You see where I'm going with that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and not only that, but hey, guys, how's it going.
We're just talking about talking about Pete's trip to a
fresh world country. I'll sold, yes, yes, and in fact
this is.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, without getting too doxy, some of my children are
more talented than others at certain academic stuff. Okay, my
expectation for the child who's really good at, say, math,
is that they get an A in math, and that's
the expectation. And if they don't have that, then there's
consequences because they know they have the talent and if
they're not getting it, then they're just not working hard
and they're being lazy. And I might have another kid
who struggles with math, and if they get a B,
that's like good effort for them, right, yes, And if
you treat every child like they're like a naturally talented
athlete who's also very smart and good looking and sociable,
then you're you're harming those children because maybe they're not sociable,
maybe they're nerdy, maybe they don't like you know, you're
the responsible party. You have to act and treat each
child differently based on what their strengths and weakness are.
And if you treat them all the same, right, You're
you're going to retard the the talented ones and like
give the ones that aren't talented complexes because you're like, well,
why aren't you know, why aren't you running the hundred
and you know eleven seconds? Well, because I'm not good enough,
Like I'm not naturally a sprinter, So why why are
you holding you to this you know, high level sprinter standard.
It's and in a similar fashion, right if Nabu Kelly
was like in l Salvador, we're going to change the
economy so that everyone is a computer engineer and we
are going to make ourselves the tech hub of the
twenty first century, people be like, are you high? You're
dealing with El salvadorance man, Like, they're not good. They're
not going to do that right, right, and expecting them
to do that is stupid.
Speaker 1: Now, And one thing I will say is is that
it's it's more. You can talk about that easier down
there amongst as long as you're not near the the
academic class. Because yeah, I went to a museum and
I got to hear from some young young kid who
spoke perfect English. Work at the museum, YadA, YadA, would
explain exhibits to you and everything you know about oh
the the the poor, unfortunate, innocent souls they got, you know,
swept up in these I mean, it's no one is
your shit libs that we have here who would scream no, no.
Everyone can be an astronaut, everyone can be a rocket scientist,
everyone could be You're just he's not going to listen
to that. And the culture there is leaning towards Yeah,
we're not going to listen to that. We're not going
to get out of what we were and get to be,
you know, a country that people actually want to come to,
or businesses want to come to, whatever they want to do.
Hopefully they don't turn out like Ireland did. You're going
to have to You're gonna have to squash that shit
when people start saying it, because that's the kind of
shit they'll say here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and not only that, but like to talk
about something. You know, we all four of us participated
in the race Morn High School series? Right, how how
messed up as American education? Because we just can't admit
that not everyone is supposed to go to college?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: You know? In El Salvador, they'll be like, look, man,
you hate school, like, yes, I hate school. You love
working engines? Like, yes, I love working on engines. Okay?
Can you balance your checkbook?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I can. Can you can you do enough basic math
to like okay? The gear raise you is need to
for your for you know, messing around with engines? Yes
I can. Can you write a coherent sentence?
Speaker 1: Can you?
Speaker 2: Can you write, you know, write well enough to conduct
daily business?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: I can. All right, here's an apprenticeship for you know,
working on engines. Go work at the garage. They'll pay
you and you'll get you know, high school credits for that.
I don't know if they're doing that in a solvad or,
but that's the sort of thing that they should be doing.
Speaker 1: You know where they did that?
Speaker 2: Germany?
Speaker 1: Germany, Prussia. Yeah, and then they tried to export that
over here, And well why wasn't that going to work here?
Because you don't have a coherent culture where people are
going to be like, yeah, I want to work to
make the country better. No, I want We've been so
we've been so hyper brainwashed by individual No. I need
to be a scientist. I need to be rich. I
need to be a lawyer. I need to be a doctor. Well, no,
I mean that's what a lot adherent culture does. Well,
that's true. But also in the United States right the second,
I mean, we we tend to forget this, but you know,
in nineteen fifty seven, the United States actually cared what
the global because of the Cold War, the you know,
racial diversity in America was to stick to beat America
with and if if we'd actually done the pressure and
education thing and didn't be like, look, you know, ninety
five percent. I think you mentioned this on Jason Show, Charles.
Everyone should go check that out. Just our friend Jason
Marrinchick had had Charles on. It was a really good.
Speaker 2: Episode, like four percent or less of the black people
would be in medical school that are presently in medical
school or something like that. It's it's it's less than
ten percent, for sure.
Speaker 1: I heard I heard a number on on a podcast.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 1: Uh, it might have been Scott Adams was talking about
it where he was saying that if if it was
purely on merit point in zero it zero point five
percent of the medical school of people accepted to medical
school in this country would be black.
Speaker 2: Okay, that might have been someone something I heard from
you Pete.
Speaker 1: I sorry, excuse me, Okay, I mean it's it's an
insane number that you know. It's like you hear it
and you cringe. You're like, holy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's that's probably accurate.
Speaker 3: To step back to your Pete, your point, Pete about
the whole Well, I want to be a lawyer, I
want to be a scientist. I kind of I kind
of think you're actually even being charitable with that, because
as I talked, as I spoke with millennial woes for millennial,
I mentioned, I mentioned that America had devolved due to
it's probably due to its Moloch worshiping small segment of
population that just just got focused hyper They turned individualism
into just hyper greed, and it's just everybody wants to
be rich. I want to be an influencer. I want
to be wealthy. I want to be rich. Like I
would actually kind of prefer if they just wanted to
be lawyers or scientists, because hey, I want to I
want to help people, or hey I want to cure
the sick, or I want to I want to help
people from losing their homes against you know, the abuses
of imminent domain laws or corporate rapine corporate culture. But no,
it's not. It's just I want to be rich. I
want to be rich. I want to be rich. It's
all about me. It's it's going from the land of
the free, home of the brave, to the land of
the me, home of the slave. It's and it's just tiresome.
It's all tiresome. So yeah, I agree with your point.
I just wish it was even as altruistic as as
what you painted it as. I sadly think it's even
bleaker than that.
Speaker 1: Jose I was saying that. I started off talking about how,
you know, obviously in the poorer neighborhoods and the barrios,
which was really MS thirteen's stomping ground where they were
just shaking down businesses and things like that. You know,
now they have armed they have armed security, they have
civil guard, and they have military. But not just there,
it's everywhere. It's like I mean, it's a show of force.
It's a fuck around and find out Look what we
Look what we accomplished, Look what it took to accomplish this,
and we're not going to let this ever happen again.
So that's sort of how we got off on.
Speaker 7: This Yeah, I am fascinated by the case of El Salvador.
There was a show that if you actually have the
right type of leadership, you can make things happen, even
in a country that is as like demographically and historically
wretched as Alvador has been, that you can make a
concrete progress on that. I wanted to also double down
on one point that Charles made.
Speaker 8: I agree that now things have evolved in Western societies
where people's aspirations are just to become like social media
influencers and other people that just accumulate social media cloud
as opposed to providing productive goods and services for a society,
much less trying to make society prosperous and for current.
Speaker 7: And future generations. It's just pure service for mammon and
accumulating social media likes and dopamine hits.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Where was I going to go with that? Well, what
I was going to do is I wanted to transition
to talking about the you know, basically what society would
become in the in the absence of these people, to
what you do with these people, because you know, it's
not only the fact that bouch Kelly was you know,
just had the will to do all this, had the
will to defy the judges and had the will to
basically take the military into courts and be like, I'm
in charge, I'm sorry, you're we're doing this and there's
nothing you can do about it. It's also the fact
that he had to have someplace to put these people.
And you know, it goes beyond the prison that he
set up, the the Seacot prison, which is you know,
you're never going to see at the outside again. You know,
that's the maximum security where he put the absolute worst
of the worst. He's actually set up a prison system
outside of that with the people who aren't you know,
don't deserve life in prison or really what we know
what they really deserve where they have to they're rebuilding
the country, and they're not only rebuilding the country, he's
kind of forcing them to rebuild themselves because you know,
a lot of these people who are in there, not
all of them or gangsters and career criminals, a lot
of them are professionals who fell into some shit because
that happens. It happens in every society that has where
you know, there's organized crime and there's crime and there's
money to be made in a black market or whatever.
So yeah, I mean I think that's that's another conversation
we have to have because our prison systems are bullshit.
I mean it's Alabama and Mississippi have the worst. There's
half these people probably shouldn't even be in prison, and
the ones that are in there shouldn't be anywhere. You're
mixing people who don't belong together. And also you have
a fucking workforce that could be rebuilding certain things, not
just picking trash up off the frogging side of the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things in our catunity of
the American system. Yes, just in our criterion of the
American system. Right we we and because we because we
have this insane devotion to equality and a few other issues,
right we have. No, we can't be realistic about the
sociopathic crime problem we have where we have you know,
this dedicated you know, this small group of just animals
really that shouldn't even really be in prison. They should
they you know, they should have been you know, you
light it, you light a nun on fire. You shouldn't
be in jail for thirty years. You should just be
you know, given your last rights and yeah, from neck
till dead right, But we have that problem. And then
we have the guy who couldn't meet his child support
because there's no place in the economy for a guy
who's you know, fundamentally decent but kind of stupid, right,
And we have a lot of those people of all
different types. Now we have more of those people because
of the racial makeup of the United States of America.
But you know, like, what are you going to do.
We criminalize not being wealthy, right, you can't pay your taxes,
so we're just going to throw you in jail. And
you're in the same jail as you know, guy who
lit none on fire. And we can't make the distinction
between a guy who missed his child support payments because
there's no jobs available for a guy with a you know,
ninety three IQ with a drinking problem and a guy who.
Speaker 3: I would say that we can make the distinction. We
just don't want to, and we're not allowed to because
we're going to point out maybe certain demographic differences. We
don't want to point that out because that would be mean,
that would be mustache man. But to still move on
with your points, still go alongside your point. There One
of the things that drives me crazy about the understanding
of criminal justice is people think the death penalty is
for vengeance. It's not for vengeance, so that's at least
that's not what it should be for, and they forget
about really what its purpose is, and that is to
clean the gene pool. You're throwing chlorine in the gene
pool and to clear these people out. Like we all
have to remember that one of the reasons European society
became more peaceful is because we killed a whole bunch
of our own that were problems. Like you said, d
we hung them by the neck till dead. What did
they do in the earthquake and Lisbon in the sixteenth
century would they do to looters day? Would the king say?
He said, hang them all on the hillsides. You can
see everybody, so we can know what you're not allowed
to do. It's not really about vengeance. It's i would argue,
it's not even really about justice. It's about cleaning the
gene pools. So we don't have this problem any longer.
But you're not allowed to talk like that. That's eugenesis,
that's mustache man. So now we throw everybody in the
same rape cage, which by the way is an interesting
point of American criminal justice history. Do you know why
organizations like the Aryan Brotherhood and White nationalism became a
big thing in prison? Would you care, any of you
care to guess why that became a big thing in prison?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I know exactly why. Because it was the only way
for them not to get beaten to death. Yeah, it
was the only way for the white guys to get extorted,
beaten to death or sexually assaulted.
Speaker 3: To survive non penalty sentences. Yes, yes, because any sentence
was becoming in the sixties and seventies effectively a death sentence,
whether it was given by the courts or not, was irrelevant.
The other inmates of color were going to kill them,
so they're therein was found in the Aryan Brotherhood and
a lot of other the white nationalist prison gangs. So yeah,
we just throw these people in the same rape cage
and say, oh, okay. Oh. And also, while you're being raped,
think about what you did wrong. It's just it's pure insanity.
And by the way, the name of the book I
just remembered, It's My Experiences as an Executioner by James Barry. Also,
I highly recommend the book The Truth about Lynching in
the South. Both of those books are our public domain
and you can find them with an easy Internet search. Please, Jose,
it looked like you were going to jump in by
all means.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just add something real quick, Jose. And
not only the public is taught to joke about men
being raped by other men.
Speaker 3: It's a punchline, yeah, and I don't mean to minimize it.
I thank you Pete for saying that. I really don't
mean to diminish it.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 3: That was not meant to be a punchline for me.
And I appreciate you saying that, thank you, because it
was not at all meant to be a punchline. It
really wasn't. It was meant to say, look at how
awful this is, and we still expect you. Okay, yeah, okay,
but I do appreciate it. Yeah, like no this stay yeah, okay,
continue please, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I Oh.
Speaker 7: A few years ago, I used to watch some of
these prison channels on YouTube, and what I gathered from
a lot of that was that the whole prison system,
in many ways for was almost like kind of like
a now has like degenerated into like a reward for
a lot of these likesfunctional criminals because they can just
like go commit any type of like act of violence
and then go like straight into a prison where there's
already like a racial hierarchy where they'll just like thrive
in and then like take it out on like other
like white prisoners, and then like if they get released,
sometimes they get so used to the prison system that
they like instantly commit a crime just get back in
it kind of like doesn't serve a purpose. Like I
actually agree with Charles that the death penalty really is
a genetic cleansing mechanism that should be used a lot more.
And that's why I like I say, like more more
mass executions as opposed to mass incarceration. And also the
racial aspect of the prison system is very instructive because
it's the most extreme form to demonstrate like like the
dangers of like multi racialism. Like it just goes to
show like you have to like band together or you
will die. And unfortunately that reality of the prison system,
it's become an it's becoming increasingly the reality of the
open aires air prison that is multi racial USA these days.
Speaker 2: Let me let me do this, and I know that
this thing from the what just one thing the real
quickly show people are interested in this theoretical justifications for
the death penalty. I can highly recommend uh philosopher Professor
Edwards F. E. S. E. R. Edward Faser's book By
Bloodshall His Man Be Shed? It's a it's a comprehensive
view of the philosophical underpinnings of the death penalty. And
I can just say that it's not only is it
one hundred percent justified, it's I think obligatory.
Speaker 1: Let me let me share this and yeah, I'll I'm
gonna share screen. And I'll preface this by saying, yes,
this is this is a white kid who was allowed
to basically go into the El Salvadoran prisons and do
a do a quick documentary. And it could it could
look like a Potempkin village. It could look like propaganda,
which it probably is. But it also gives you an
idea of exactly that bu Kelly is not only about, Okay,
we need to clean up the streets. No, we need
to rebuild this country. And well what we have a
friggin workforce that's that's available to rebuild it. So let
me share this with you guys and I think that
you will. You know, we'll play it a little bit
and you can tell me to stop whenever. All right,
So wait one second here, all right, I'm gonna start
this and just you get the idea right off the shop.
Speaker 4: This waslav prison and this is one. Now, how does
a prison go from being gaged controlled now a prison
where the prisoners themselves are helping to rebuild the country
of El Salvador. Today, I'm you inside of the world's
most unconventional and most productive prison in the entire world.
Some of these prisoners you will meet inside of this video.
We'll become future engineers, construction workers, partners, farmers. These prisoners
are quite literally helping to build a better El Savor.
This is all because the President Naimi Kelly's plan called
plans also, which translates to plan of no leisure. But
prisoners are typically locked away inside of prison self serving
their time. The prisoners here in El Salva are working
twenty four to seven to help build a vetter else
salad or Elsal has gone through it.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I sped up the video just for anybody who's wondering.
Speaker 2: And actually he makes a great point that the president
has God go ahead, the good Charles Well, the president,
President Bouquela said in one of his addresses, like last year,
why should people who's the average El Salvador and whose
meals are tortillas and rice and beans, why should they
pay for prisoners to have meat? Yeah, and you know,
mercy to the guilty is injustice to the innocent. And
the idea that we should have this huge population of
people who are idle and consuming nothing or and doing
nothing but sitting in their prison cells is ridiculous, like
they should work.
Speaker 3: Well, also kind of goes back to your point earlier
regarding their you know, there are people in there that
are just in there because of you know, didn't pay
child support or whatever. Things like that. Now, maybe not
this specific prison per se, but I'm talking about the
overarching plan of no leisure to use his and also
to use Pete's point earlier, that some people you know
are in there because they just got caught up in
things and it's a very corrupt society that was getting
cleaned up and they got drawn in. But now you're
actually giving them something to do. Remember the idle Hands
or the Devil's workshop. So it's you're giving these people
something to do, and you're giving them something to work
towards if you just throw them and again I don't
say this flippantly, if you just throw them in a
rape cage, what are you giving them? What are you
giving them? What kind of hope are you giving them?
What goal are you giving them to progress towards? Now,
perhaps I maybe being a bit optimistic here. I'm not
sick claiming all of these men are going to turn
into engineers and world class scientists. But I don't see
I don't see it as an unreasonable expectation or a
or a pie in the sky hope that a lot
of these men just find meaning in life again and
just find meaning in work again, because again that's that's
man's curse, to toil, to work, and without it he
self destructs. So I think his idea of plan of
no leisure is great. And it's also and I'll close
with this and let it get back to the video
very briefly, it's if you're going to want, if you
want your population to work, then you can tell then
the best way to do it is what he's doing,
which is to say you can either get up on
your own, put your shoes on kiss your wife goodbye,
go to work, get paid, get benefits, come home, have dinner,
watch TV, and go to bed. Or you can stay
in a cage with everybody here and get up when
we tell you to get up, do what we tell
you to do, go to bed when we tell you
to go to bed, and watch TV. But either way
you're gonna be You're gonna be working. You can choose
how you want to work, or we're gonna choose. That's
your options, but you're not getting out of work either way.
Speaker 4: That's my piece dangerous country in the world to now
the safest country in the Western hemisphere. I'm gonna show
you guys a large reason why we'll be starting off
this video going inside of this prison here, and then
we go into another prison where nobody has ever actually
gone into before. I will be the first person to
ever receive access to go to where we're going today.
Make sure guys get this video like and subscribe the channel.
We're on a mission to get the five hundred thousand
describers as of right now. And now let's go inside
of the prison here we go. Let's say that we
entered into the first of the two prisons we will
be going inside for this video. Throughout the video, the
intensity and the production of the prisons will increase as
our phases to the prison systems here and be ready
for some things you would never expect to see inside
of a prison. Now it was time to go meet
the warden who'll be guiding us throughout the first prison,
La esperanza.
Speaker 9: And what's it like in herea isomra And.
Speaker 4: What's the difference between the prisoners here inside of this
prison versus the prisoners that are inside.
Speaker 9: Secu nemosy so inters not the name of panderocados.
Speaker 5: The is the central Pinal.
Speaker 4: If you do not know what second is. It is
a maximum security prison here in al Savare where the
most dangerous gamesters go to live the rest of their
lives without ever seeing the light of sun again. However,
in this prison it is completely different. And so what
kind of crime did someone have to commit to be
inside on one of these prisons?
Speaker 5: Amne so rovos estafa?
Speaker 4: And how long can somebody be in one of these prisons?
For propanda tempo is a maximo temp Everybody you're seeing
inside this video that are not police officers or have
a camera inside their hands are all prisoners that are
then being quit to work plans also literally means plan
of no leisure. These prisons are being quit to work
twenty for seven. If they're not eating or sleeping, they're
either studying or working here inside of savagor so their prisoners,
the sons.
Speaker 5: Being okay, saving somebody comes to pando and.
Speaker 4: How many people are here inside of this prison making
and because these prisoners are always occupied. We entered into
the first classroom where they were learning about medical procedures.
We have one classroom right here, and right next door
there's another classroom as well, and these guys are also learning.
So there's literally no leisure inside of the prison. No, no,
what's the youngest person and what's the oldest person in
side of who's the professor? Kinsok?
Speaker 5: Then for so many equal.
Speaker 4: Even the teachers that are teaching these classes are also
prisoners that were once somehow educated enough inside of the
field that they're currently teaching it to teach an entire classroom.
So this prison is becoming completely auto sufficient. And how
they teach, how they learn, and how they're able to
go about their business here with everything that they do
right here, they're doing a practice here you can see
they have a person on a stretcher. They're doing a practice.
So that way these people are learning how to become
medics is needed eventually, you know, yes, And right now
they're undergoing practice. For example, right now this is a
CPR backs they are doing and they have even gang
Man's out on the back right now, who know singo,
that's as right now they're doing a medical course and
so that was part of the practice of the CPR
test and I think everybody passed those here.
Speaker 5: It's a it's a low.
Speaker 4: And before you were here inside of this prison, were
you also in the medical.
Speaker 6: Field, americ course America and cargo program and how.
Speaker 4: Long have you been inside of this for those message
the temple say science and now inside of this classroom
they're learning about chemistry. Here inside of each classroom there's
biometric thing that scanned each person as they want into
the classroom to make sure they're authorized to come in.
And they're not making any passes. Even who comes to
pass here doesn't. There's absolutely no ditching here in sider
And what was it like here inside of Saba and
in the prison systems here in Alaba? Before night here became.
Speaker 5: President and it's this intro and it's the central panel.
Look moro here and graffiti.
Speaker 9: On the in traffic and crable they least the traffica
and rolla traffic and central preneur AVM bands can say
the putava in.
Speaker 5: Control las Banda for interior.
Speaker 2: Funding traffic. Is it true that is that the CIA
needed its funding? You know, so of course there were
drug smuggles, right, but no, it's something worth talking about
here just briefly, right, and in this there's a lot
to be disappointed with Trump piece, you know, but I
guarantee you, guarantee you that there were American ing os
imposing that sort of liberal quicker, you know, American prison
system type stuff on El Salvador. I guarantee it that
that there the the you know, Open Society Foundation or
whatever you want to say, like was helping make the
prisons in our self are the way they are and
or the way they were. And it's the rejection of
that that is leading to success.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the things that bou Kellay is doing is
getting rid of all the injos in his country. Well
you know who, you know, democracy advocates are the ones
who are like, well, your prisons are cruel. Well, maybe
maybe people who commit crimes don't deserve leisure. Maybe people
who are you know, murderers don't deserve like just chill
on the tax period him. So I I guarantee you
that the reason, part of the reason that the prisons
were so as functional prior to President bou Kella is
that American money, which is to say, Jews in America wanted,
let you know, wanted that place to be dysfunctional because
it's easier to exploit if it's dysfunctional.
Speaker 4: Once a prisoner has proven himself and passed various exams
and evaluations, they are then moved to the prison called
La Grandha, where they are then called a person of confidence.
Inside of this prison, the prison is able to work
without astid security, and they helped produce all the food
for the prison systems. Here in Al Salvador, they even
have farm like and this is home to the new
controversial fabric factory that I will be going into very
very soon. I met with the warden to get a
full tour. What's the difference between this prison in the
prison we were just that in Las Beranza. So essentially
this is where someone goes after they graduate from that
last prison, just that this is the best person you
could possibly be in before you are then sent in public.
Now we're heading into the industrial kitchen here where they
make over twenty thousand meals a day fill the prisoners
inside of Val Salvador before taking the food into the factory.
They harvest all and filled outside and then they then
take inside. And this is where they provide all the
food for all the prisons across Al Savado. So here
is one of the freshman meals here they have the beans,
rice and some tortillas in there. You're one of the
chefs here on a scale one in ten, how would
you rate the quality of the food here? It's that
event and how much longer do you have here? Inside
this show you find much chips, the carsa yours and
cry to you com pay people that live to the steadies.
And the precision these guys are even just cutting these
tomatoes with is actually insane. That guy where they got
it super super organized and these guys are just cutting
non stop tomatoes. I don't know how many hours they
do today, but they're going at it right now and
none of them are even stopping. Can't stop at brand wow,
and how many hours a day you guys sleep for dorman?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 4: Access, so I'll sell you on Facebook? Kind of different.
What do you do to have fun? Since the people
say me, Right here they're making the cookies and then
right here they're making the tortillas for the food. So
fascinating here because everything is so streamlined and done so quickly.
Speaker 8: Here.
Speaker 4: Everybody moves from one spot to the next, one spot
to the next, one spot to the next, and there's
no time for anything to be wasted, and everything that
does get put the waste is then put back into
the machines. There's no waist here inside this prison. Us.
What do you do to get here?
Speaker 2: For now?
Speaker 4: It was time to enter into the new massive mega
factory here inside of this prison. And this building's absolutely massive.
Just look at this. We are the first people ever
to receive access to where we are at right now.
This is a new building that have built here inside
of the prison, where you can see there are thousands
upon thousands of people that are working on fabrics here.
The same clothes are going to use for schools, for
the prisoner's outfits, any outfit for the government will be
made here inside of this room right here. How many
people are here working inside right now? And what are
they working on? You look all over the form cox
and appropri.
Speaker 5: Lasprendas that so colsing.
Speaker 4: Here will be used for the prisoners, but will also
be used for hospitals, schools and other projects as well.
Speaker 5: Maquila nacional format the minister.
Speaker 4: Institution here inside this prison. What are we seeing now?
Speaker 6: The casews viendo textil aquito agains the lugar, the.
Speaker 1: Those who are listening to this, It is literally thousands
of people. So I mean, I'm not am I exaggerating
by saying thousands.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, it looks like there's at
least fifteen hundred two thousand. Yeah, i'd say that's say.
It looks very much like that, about two thousand people.
It's massive. I just want to say something too, regarding
cit pause. Regarding the food. I think it's interesting that
they probably eat better than most Americans outside of prison
because everything's grown on the farm. It's not a bunch
of highly processed slop. It's not again not to try
and buy too heavily into the propaganda, but I mean,
like you can just look at it. Look at it.
You can see the farm animals. You can see the
you can see the vegetables. It's like it's all in house.
It's not just a bunch of carted in highly processed garbage.
So you wonder if that's you. You have to think
that that's going to have a positive impact on their
outlook and on their their hopefulness, their their progress, their
personal and mental, physical and spiritual progress, just because they're
eating better food. And also one thing I want to
point out in case the audience is unaware, like prisons
are tremendously profit generating for a lot of outside contractors,
and that's why they want people in them. That's why
they want to fill them, because they make tons of
money off of it. You ask somebody how much it
costs to mail a letter outside of prison, how much
they get charged for an envelope, how much they get
charged for paper. They don't want prisons, but making their
own stuff, making their own uniforms, making their own food
because they can. That's tons and tons of money to
contractors to sell very low quality goods at very high prices.
Speaker 2: YEP. And one of the biggest unions in the state
of California is the Correction Officers Union. So we have
that vector. But just to speak to the closed thing
real quick, in Michael Jonestock with this. Recently, every every
nation that industrialized did so by first making their own clothes,
because everyone needs clothes and they're relatively simple. So just
like NAFTA destroyed Central uh Wahawkan farmers right there, their
corn couldn't compete with iam acorn, a lot of these
South and Cistral American nations uh can't industrialize because they
can't complete with you know, the millions of T shirts
that were going to the you know, last year's Super
Bowl loser that you know they print up you know,
one hundred thousand you know chiefs versus one hundred thousand Eagles,
and you know, all the you know, chief super Bowl
champions of this past year T shirts get sold or
given to people in Africa and Central America. So not
only are is all these guys learning useful trade, but
they're actually helping industrialize their own country.
Speaker 1: You got anything, Jose.
Speaker 7: One point the raised about the NGOs reminded me as
well respect to I think Japan's prison system, which is
actually really similar to the solid Oran model, which is
heavily focused on work. In fact, apart from like the
time served. If I am not mistaken that you have
to serve in the Japanese prison system, you are expected
to pay off like a certain monetary debt, and to
do so you actually have to get a type of
skill in there. And a lot of these NGOs really
do hate the idea of like hard labor. They prefer
the status quo model, or at least like even something
that turns prison system into just like some leisurely lounge
to just encourage people almost to get in the prison,
and it creates the cycle of like rent seeking groups
that profit off of this, while the criminals that get
out there, they're allowed to just continue to recavic and
in effect create this society wide strategy of tension. And
it is, in my opinion, pretty insidious the way the
current system is designed. And that's why any type of country,
whether it's a Salvador, some East Asian disciplinarian like East
Asian country that tries to break free from the model,
it gets demonized because it is a threat to the
present system.
Speaker 1: All right, going to restart this and keep it going,
because there's some more really good stuff in here.
Speaker 4: The industrial into how many closes the day, are you
guys trying to make condo.
Speaker 5: The areas depended people?
Speaker 4: So you're saying essentially here, with all the workforce you
guys have here, you guys are compete with anybody outside
of is a la.
Speaker 5: Personas for.
Speaker 1: To be for people who are just listening, twenty one
hundred people working at the same time, working three eight
hour chefs a day. So basically they have sixty three
hundred people and working every day working working eight hour
shifts making clothes for the country. I mean, could could
you imagine that efficiency here?
Speaker 3: I can imagine it.
Speaker 4: You see. So every single day twenty four seven, there
are two thousand people that are working on close here
inside of this factory. Wow, So they're making the government
official shirts here inside here, like I saying, they can
compete with anybody from outside here. And this is helping
us out save thousands upon thousands, potentially millions of dollars
as these prisoners are being put to use versus them
just spending time inside of the prison zone. And how
much longer do you have in your sins? Yellow and
I here don't mind me asking what kind of crime
you guys commit to get inside of the prison and
the ESTAFA what you said, and just to show you
some of the profits that you guys have made here
inside of the factory. Here we have all the shirts
and these shirts they are the same shirts that these
you are also wearing as well. So by doing this
else helps cut down the cost of stuff they usually
have to export outside of the prison system, and said
they have brought it into the prison systems, making taxpayers
here in Elsaber not have to pay for the clothes
of the prisoners. And all of these prisoners every single
day they work here inside this factory, two days is
taken off of their sentence, so that means if they're
supposed to serve four years, they can tatually serve only
two years if they work inside this factory every single day,
helping reduce the time all of these fuel's sentences and
also helping build up the country as well. And so
right now there are two thousand people. However they have
three shifts of two thousand people, so twenty four to
seven this factory is running each every single day with
over six thousand prisoners working inside of this factory. Over
here they're making the clothes and then right here they're
building a different set of clothes as well, so they
can do hospital schools. The prison clothes themselves here inside
this factory, and it is absolutely massive here, over two
thousand people and each person is working hard. You do
not see any cell phones in here. In fact, the
cell service here is completely blocked, and these prisoners have
no access to the outside world as far as internet goes.
You feel are on a shift for eight hours and
then the next shift comes in twenty four to seven.
This place is operating. I have never seen an anything
like this, and it's actually pretty insane to think that
here in El Salvare they're now using the prisoners to
help rebuild the economy. Expert I think so this way
they don't have to be importing clothes from a country
like China or the United States, said, they can be
doing it right here in house in side. El Salvare
using the prisoners essentially for free labor here as they
are then getting two days off of their prison sentence.
What price would you put on your life for an
extra three two days of liberty. Imagine you're sending for
ten years. By working in here, you can then reduce
your sentence, so just five years to be with your
loved ones once again, and you learn a new skill
as well. We're going to another location here inside this prison,
to where they make all of the deaths for the
schools here, so.
Speaker 5: Carcilii or no semi implemental purpose?
Speaker 4: What are they building right here? And how long have
you been working here?
Speaker 5: For four years?
Speaker 4: What kind of crime did you commit to get sent here?
I have rubbery, simple rubbery? And how many years did
you get I have eight years. What do you hope
to do once you finish your time here inside this prison?
I wont Saudi and in the university. These are all
the death they're currently building for the schools here. Every
single day they build a thousand desks, and then these
are the finished products right here. They even have really
nice chairs as well. And then here is the finished
product of the school desk that they build for each
school here in El Salvador. They're building over a thousand
a day. Are you ever worried that you are gonna
make too many desk but you're not gonna have fast
room to fill them?
Speaker 7: With?
Speaker 4: You to sell a ski pikar for our rooms. After
spending time inside the factories, it was time to go
outside and understand why they call this place like na
the farm. I am honestly quite amazed at what I'm
seeing right now. They even have their own farms, even
with their own lake out here. Can pescaalaki home? You
contos pesses.
Speaker 5: Pass.
Speaker 4: Now he's gonna throw the net out. We're gonna catch
them fish least though almost boom, Let's catch them fish.
Here we go. Holy cow, we caught a lot of fish. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine ten. You just got ten fish here inside this
little lake, inside this little reservoir here. I am beyond
amazed at what I'm saying here in El Salvador, between
the factory they've just made to the fish here and
the reservoirs that they have created out here as well.
And then behind us we also have the field where
they have all the vegetables and all the other food. Now,
these are the bigger fish here they put inside of
these pools right here. Oh, oh my word, look at
these ones. Holy no, look at this fish that they're
grown here inside. This fish is ginormous.
Speaker 5: Old on migo.
Speaker 4: Okay, they goes to the naive here at this prison.
You guys have literally everything from people that know how
to bake peep that know how to sew, and people
that know how to fish here next to the rest
where they also have a cornfield. And what do you
guys use the corn for? We've now made it to
the farming section here in the prison, we got a
bunch of cows behind us back. How many cows you
just out here? That is mismos, it's correct.
Speaker 5: So are you in process?
Speaker 4: And were you a farmer before you got here? A
grand hero ante to kei? And how much more time
do you have? What runs now? Oh wait, look at
all these cows they have here in til this prison.
They're all just mentioned When you committed your crime and
you're taking a jail, did you ever expect you like
to be like this insider prison or k.
Speaker 10: SM different star and last different to put the prison
whatever for employers who sent to industrial aka I muchosa
and cambio anti purama is an appression conventional like.
Speaker 5: Plus camotes different and imprission.
Speaker 4: It's very impressive. Will do do you think other countries
across the world war starting to follow example the al
Sabare and now you become upset.
Speaker 10: Clara se estomplo para quel persona independent roc and committee.
Speaker 5: But then ready is.
Speaker 4: And what kind of crime did you committic come here to?
And you believe I was justified?
Speaker 5: Was pero?
Speaker 4: They're gonna shows how enough the cows here as well.
I'm not a cow for so we're gonna give a little.
There's no fat inmates as well, n you said, I
am achety just on the ground. We just fund at
on the ground, he says. They don't even worry because
there's someone strusting the inmates. And these are even numbered
to the inmates as well. Now I think I'm about
to ride a horse. Never ridden a horse in my
entire life. We're doing here with some inmates, your El
salvad Or.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Okay, first time not good, First time not good. We're
gonna do that again. Take pick too, Oh, here we go.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. The rest of this is him
just enjoying the animals. So yeah, go ahead discuss. I mean,
here's something I'll throw out there. I think Nabu Kelly
is a very intelligent man, and I think there are
a lot of very intelligent people in all salve it Or.
I also don't think that anyone just inside of L.
Salvad or is responsible for planning all of this. So
I'm wondering who who may have been in on this,
because I think they had help in their design. Maybe
I'm wrong. I think it's perfect.
Speaker 2: I don't know who we're good well, as we've seen, right,
there's there's a global left network that the USA d
stuff has just sort of sort of top surface talked about.
And in fact, you know, one of the things I've
complained about the most and on this show and others,
is the fact that we don't have such a network
but winners win and one of the things that somebody,
you know, Victor Werbon, is trying to set up this
sort of network. I think he's He's probably got some
of the wrong people, you know that the Danube Institute
or whatever, but they're they're at least trying. And I
think me bou Kelly is smart enough to know that
he's not the only one with good ideas, and that
he probably brought in other people with good ideas. You
know that that's not out of the realm of possibility.
He's obviously a very canny politician. Just this the story
of how he got elected mayor and then how he
was like the president proved that he's a smooth and
shrud political operator. Why why is it impossible to think
that he has a role at active people who aren't
you know, civilizationally hostile? Like of course he probably did.
No one can know everything, so why wouldn't he.
Speaker 1: Well, my I guess one of the things when I
see something like this I think is is that is
this a test for other places? Is it like, Okay,
how how is this going to work? And are we
going to see this multiply? And as well as this running?
Really the only thing that you can see holding it
back from happening in other countries and being adopted even
here by our individual states or counties or cities is
that entrenched bureaucracy and that entrenched corruption. And I mean,
I don't know if there's I'm assuming I have to
assume just because of human nature that somebody is profiting
from what's happening there. But also if things can run
like that there and some kind of graft is happening,
it's still a better model for than what most countries
are doing right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to kind of combine the two points,
I think you're both right. I think somebody has their
hand in it, Pete, and I also think Dee's right
in that naib has as a rolodex of guys that
know stuff. I would not be surprised, and obviously I
couldn't speak with any certainty, but I would not be
even slightly surprised to learn that Naive Bukelly and his
rolodex had a bunch of guys that have been trying
to push this plan for twenty five years, thirty years minimum,
fifteen years. It's too well thought out to be recent.
It's probably been been checked and rechecked and triple checked
and quadruple checked. So I have a feeling that this
is a model that some company, some organization somewhere has
been trying to has been shopping around in America and Europe,
been all over the world for more than a decade.
I'd be willing to bet I'd bet a kidney on
that in fact, and it just so happens that they
finally found a winner in Bukelly, who said, you know what,
I got to do something with these people, and your
plan's the best one I've seen so far. You get
the contract, and it just so happens that I guarantee
you because remember, just because I mean, I guarantee you
not fall into cynicism. Let's not fall into cynicism. People
can still make money and do good for humanity. You
can do both. You can make a doctor's salary and
actually care about your patients. So yeah, I absolutely believe
somebody's been shopping this around and hopes to make millions
of dollars on a government contract. Does that automatically make
them scammers or corrupt? No, not at all, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: No, you can.
Speaker 3: You can earn your paycheck, honestly, go ahead, de.
Speaker 2: Well, I guarantee you. Someone in Boukeli's government got him
a copy of France List guaranteed, Because what do you
do when you're a poor country. You do as much
autarchy as you can. You don't have the resources to
spend money outside. Like for a loile time, El Salvado's
biggest export was l salvadorance, and that's never You can't
get rich that way. You can't get prosperous that way.
You can't you can't build a decent, stable country when
you export all your young men. You know, there are
entire villages in Mexico that have moved to the United States,
Like how is that good for Mexico, you can say
cynically like they're exploring their their you know, their stupid
population or their surplus population or whatever. But but over
the long term, you know, that's not a to the
extent that they do anything good, They're going to be
doing it for somebody else in another country. So it's
not good for Mexico or anywhere else. So look at
all that odd tarchy, right instead of instead of having
to you know, go to a factory somewhere else and
import school desks from Mexico or the United States or
Argentina or wherever they're building them there. And now there's
people who have you know, skills and fabrication that they
can take to the outside world. And they have, you know,
the children of El salvad Or have functional schools with
the with the stuff that they need to study and improve.
So someone put some Frederick list in his hand, and
you know you've talked to Mike Maxwell before, Pete. Everyone
should go check on Imperium Press and pick up, you know,
several of their books because that that's where, you know,
all the real ideas are on our side of the fence,
all the good ideas and on our side of the fence,
and this proves it right. You know that there's been
a lot of criticism of Trump, justifiably, I think in
our sphere. And I'm not going to defend the guy
for not having you know, for for being stymied and
checkmated it every turn, or not pushing as hard on
things as you should have. But I think that's something
that does need to be said, is all of his
ideas and the things he says he wants to do
that the American people are saying that they want. They
want the mass deportations, they want the gangster in jail,
they want the government waste cut, they want you know,
the illegals off the welfare rules. They want you know,
the Department of Education shut down. Right, all of those things.
The ideas are fantastic. It's the execution where Trump, I think,
is falling down. And they're all, what are people? Our
people were the ones talking about these idiots five, ten,
fifteen years ago, and now they're mainstream. And I think
that's a very big deal.
Speaker 1: Jose, why don't you, why don't you jump in and
talk about how how are economic liberts? Harran pryors but
up so hard against.
Speaker 7: This Well, one thing I like about the El Salvadorian
case is that it kind of goes beyond like higher
discussions of reducing everything to whether if it's like humane
for the individual or just anything that's centered around the individual,
but rather like it it asks like a tough question
like how do what do we do with a bunch
of criminals and other malcontents in society and put them
to service to the state, Like, obviously they're not gonna
rehabilitate all of these people, but at least with these
programs in O Salvador, they will at least put put
them to work towards something bigger that the state and
broader society can benefit from. That's something that you'll just
never hear in the really like neoliberal dominated West, where
things are just centered around growing the GDP or satisfying
individual demand. There's no real discussion about whether it benefits
society and like posterity in the long term. Yeah, I
think like as well, this is a clear dunk on
bu Kelly, is a clear dunk also on libertarians and
especially the NGO space, because I actually have some experience
over a decade ago working with a good deal of
libertarians that were working in Latin America, and fast forward
to the present, I see a lot of these people,
same people, still libertarian and still trashing Bukelly because of
the simple fact that he is using top down state
action to affect positive societal change, and it completely goes
against many of these people's assumptions about how you can
make things happen. And to touch out on the point
about whether Kelly learned these ideas from other people, if
he was getting advice, I think it's highlights the importance
for people that are getting at the politics that it's
all about building not only like human human relations, but
even more complex networks to be able to affect political change.
Because no man is an island in this game, so
you have to not only be able to interact with people,
but build actual structures that go beyond election cycles that
you can pass on to future generations. Because and it's
why I also don't quit when it comes to writing content.
I tell other people who have like bold ideas for
fixing society to continue to do this because who knows
what that blog post that you made a few years
ago could serve as a a template for some reformer
down the line. And Latin America is actually, in many
ways a really good p tree dish for a lot
of these ideas, because unlike the West, which as very
well entrenched deep states and permanent bureaucracies, a lot of
Latin American countries are still very stuck in rudimentary phases
of their state development. So it sometimes no matter of
having the right person, with the right advisors and network
giving them support to implement drastic changes. So that's that's
one thing some people can learn from this example.
Speaker 1: Well, I think another thing is that if you talk
about how you know El Salvador is basically what their
main export has been for a long time is El Salvadorans,
and how the way they're setting up this economy is
helping to rebuild Well, I mean, what's been our main
import for the last twenty years? It's been people from
other countries? And what has been export America? That's been
our main import? Yeah, and what's been our main export?
Does anybody? Can anybody really answer that what our main
export has been in the last twenty years?
Speaker 2: Intellectual A.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The gay I mean this is not only a model
for a country a six point six million in the
middle of Central America, This is a model for the
way we have to approach this. We have to start
building our own things again. We have to We need
to start building our desks. We need to start building.
You know, if I look around, you know, at the
things in the room or on my desk in front
of me, you know, I question whether I know one
of these is made in Australia. I don't know where
the hell the computer was made and everything, but I
would I would assume half of the stuff here is
made in China, right And China has a place called
Sox City where they just make the socks for the world,
just make socks. What is stopping us from doing this?
And really think about this, what is stopping us from
if you want to start manufacturing these small little things
that everyone uses, that every school uses, that every office
building us, that every government building uses, that we have,
how many prisons do we have and how many prisoners
do we have right now?
Speaker 2: The largest population in the world, millions of people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you have a workforce right here. And
if you're if we're at the point where it's like
we may need to start arresting judges and shipping them
to El Salvador. Let's start doing things that are going
to piss off the same people who are pissed off
about You know, when we I heard one of these
fucking women on TV the other day who was like
who was basically said that Trump was not allowed to
do something because a circuit court judge. It had to
go through a circuit court judge. First, Are you fucking
kidding me?
Speaker 7: Tritarchy in action?
Speaker 1: I mean it is, basically, I mean, we're back to
the fucking longhouse. No, fuck you put these fucking prisoners
to work, make them build shit, build the fucking factories.
I know a lot of that was in Spanish, so
people who were just listening to this aren't here. But
what the what they said at one point was these
factories didn't exist where where all this stuff these prisoners
are doing. These buildings didn't exist before. Bukelly hen't even
built these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is one of those things like you
can just do things. A prison that holds h yes,
twenty five thousand people. Twenty five thousand people, was it?
That's a small town. He built a built a prison
the whole it's a small town. And all these factories
and all of these farms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, to jump to your point, Yeah, he says.
He says, it's not even a prison. His exact words are,
it's an industrial complex. And he's right. That speaks to
your point. That's that's its own little civilization, which is
what they're doing with these people. And I think that
can't be overlooked. They're civilizing most of these people. That's
the point. Again, I don't want to get mired in
the weeds where they're civilizing these people. That should be
the goal. Again. The goal is, yes, we should make things.
I'm not saying we shouldn't, but the goal is to
civilize people and to get them to be productive so
that they can make things, so they can as to
address your point earlier, Jose, they can do things for posterity.
They can build the strength for today and tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Godde can you imagine an American prison where there's just
a machete lying around and then someone who picks it
up doesn't immediately get shot. No, I mean this was
a full on like machete. It was probably twenty inches long,
steel like like you could dangerous weapon in any kind
of hands, like you know, and justifiably right like any
you know, if you don't think it's an incredibly dangerous weapon,
Like you've never seen what kind of reach like an
edge weapon can give somebody extremely dangerous in the wrong hands.
But they have said, like, now we're gonna make people better.
You know, people people were on drugs, people were robbing people.
You know, they take all the hard crore criminals and
send it to that one prison, But then they take
everyone else who's just you know, a person in a
bad situation, and they say, all right, well you got
a chance.
Speaker 1: Well, and if they make a mistake and they put
somebody who belongs in the hardcore prison forever, and they
put that person in the workers prison and they don't
work out, you take them out and you put them
in the hardcore prison. Basic Also, it's also a filtering mechanism. Okay,
so we watch these thousands.
Speaker 3: Of pay they even say in that they even say
in that context they say, this area of the complex
is our most trustworthy prisoners. Where they had the machete,
and I would wager the pete you're one hundred percent correct,
And they got there because they demonstrated their trustworthiness. Another
thing I want to bring up that I think is
crucial to point out is it goes.
Speaker 4: Back to it.
Speaker 3: It basically proves what I had said earlier in the program.
You're giving these people hope with this program, You're giving
them something to do. And I'll just raise two points
and I'll see the floor very quickly. The first is,
if you notice they said we're taking time off your sentence,
if you so, not only are they keeping busy, they
are actually helping themselves as well. There is a healthy
amount of self interest in there, which is good. Self
interest isn't inherently evil. So that's a positive right there.
And the other thing that I think is really important
to note is what were the crimes of most of
the people in the higher trust area. Robbery, drugs. It
wasn't rape, it wasn't murder, it wasn't even it wasn't
even a lot of the other things. It was, like
you said, like we talked about earlier, that segment of
the population where hey, I grew up in an incredibly
dysfunctional community, whether it be family or just the town,
and this is just what we did to survive. But
now that somebody has shown me there is another way
to survive that is pro social, I'll do it. And
now I'm reaping the benefits of it. So I'll see
the floor now that I just wanted to mention those
two points. Just I just have one point about the
dog that didn't bark. Do you guys notice one thing
that was totally absent? Women and the hundreds and hundreds
of prisoners we saw, well, women, women, first of all. Secondly,
you've seen lots of pictures of Elsavadore in prisons. What
was completely absent? I didn't see a single guy with
a face tattoo. Oh yeah, not one. Hundreds and hundreds
of people we saw in this video. Now might some
of them might have been repeats or whatever, but hundreds
of people and not a one with gang tattoos, not
a one.
Speaker 2: So that's you know. I mean, Charles has made this point,
and I've made this point the point before, but like
if in America that you know, Charles is always talking
about the preto principle. When I I firmly agree with him.
Like you could just take, like, go to Los Angeles,
any dude wearing red, any dude wearing blue in a
certain neighborhood, just grab them and throw them in prison.
Why because he's a member of the Bloods. He's remember
the crips. You know, if he's if he's wearing certain things, right,
he's if he's got the Latin King's tattoo of the
crown on his chest, just throw them in prison, you know,
you can just do things. And and one of the
things that Pete talked about this is this federal judge.
How many of these federal judges are actually Americans? I
think I think one of them was like a h
Asian lesbian immigrant or something, right, like you have Canadians,
you have, yeah, I mean Asians like I'm born here
right there, and so right, they they have ascended to
the highest place they can in the worst place they can. Right.
Why why were these people giving places in American law
schools to the point where they could become federal judges?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: You know, and I'm gonna steal Charles's line, you don't
have female judges because then you're literally entraining the opinion
of a woman into law. And as Amy Cony Barrett
has shown, it's just a bad idea. Right. I don't
regard I don't regard any any any decision by the
Supreme Court where Katanji Brown Jackson is in the majority
as valid because I don't think any of her decisions
are valid. I don't think any decisions where Sonya slimor
is a deciding vote are valid because I don't think
any of your disisants are valid. Like you can say
but with us the rules, like I don't, I reject
your premise entirely. I don't think that that Jews, or women,
or you know, like any of these people have any
right to tell me what the law is because their
interests in mine and the interests of a stable civilization
that works are completely at odds. And you know what,
whether you know there was shadowy in GEO funding to
make our salve Or a horrible place, or shadowy NGO
funding to make our salvad Or a functional place, it
doesn't really matter. What matters is that all across the
world right now, you know, we're we're tittering in the
brank of recession. Probably if you if you used you know,
shadow stats numbers were probably in one. There's a huge
government debts all over the place. Europe's bankrupt, doesn't really
doesn't really have a military. There's the wars in the
Middle East and the war and Armenia, and the war
in Ukraine and and you know, the the immigration problems here,
the government debt problems here.
Speaker 1: Like the world.
Speaker 2: Purpose of a system is what it does, and the
world system that we under right now is leading to
you know, mass bankruptcy all over the world and and
completely dysfunctional governments. So maybe we should change that so
that it works. I don't know, like call me crazy.
And and if the if Abraham Lincoln, who I'm no
fan of as as all three you guys know, right
like I come from the anti Lincoln school of libertarianism,
he is right about what if the Constitution isn't a
suicide pact, then these federal judges just have to go
like they just have to be told, be quiet, we
don't have the money. We can't just print the money. Yeah,
you know, India and China is half the world's population
put together. There's your Russia's got all the natural resources
in the world. Bricks. If they stop trading in dollars,
we're screwed. We can't just keep printing money. We have
to start actually living within our means in some sort
of meaningful way.
Speaker 3: When you talk about when when you talk about the
you can just do things. That's that's been both a
hopeful phrase and an infuriating phrase to me. But I
want to point I want to just touch on that
very very briefly, because to go back to your point
earlier Pete about mess around and find out, I gave
up swearing for Lentz, so so it's going to be
mess around and find out America asked to take more
of that attitude. And I agree with you, Pete, And
I just want to say to point that out, to
make that readily apparent to listeners. Remember what really stopped
the Summer of Love and the George Floyd riots? Remember
what really stopped it? Remember what really stopped that Soros
funded brick throwing machine. It was one guy with an
AR fifteen. That's what stopped it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: One guy because he shot two pet three Well what
two Petter asks? Three Petter asks and killed them, like
go killed two of them. I mean, that's really what
stopped it. One guy because people messed around.
Speaker 2: And I felt like one wife beater and two chikay
I think, yeah or something.
Speaker 3: But the point I'm making is to Pete's statement, we
have to we have to bring actual, actual consequences to Pete,
but legal consequences of course of self defense he was acquitted,
you know, or but law enforcement shootings things like that.
But they have to return, and if they do again,
I'll be my usual white pill pushing self. I think
you'll see a lot of things turn around if people
are allowed to start defending themselves again and and dishing
out consequences legally to people. I really think that things
will turn around much faster than you would expect.
Speaker 2: And and actually to your point in went that that Charles,
the thing that the thing that really needs to happen
is the people at the prosecutor and the Daniel Penny case.
They need to go to prison, yes, or abuse of power? Yeah,
oh absolutely, all those people need to be The courts
need to be clean. It needs to be wiped clean.
There's they cannot be. It can't be allowed to go
on like this. I mean, if the president has, if
all power is in the executive he has to be
able to clean that out. And even if and even
if everyone stands up and says no, you still have
to be able to stand up and clean that out.
Speaker 7: It just.
Speaker 1: We're I mean, it's a friggin we're going off the cliff.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Not only so.
Speaker 2: I saw some of the recently a bunch of people,
supposed conservatives talking about how you know the president can't
constrain money being spent by the other Like, don't tell
me you care about the constitution. Okay, it was recently,
you know, March, it's March twenty seconds. Soll last week
was the Eyes of March, March fifteenth, date of the
assassination of Julius Caesar. Well, you know, when I was
more conservative and less understanding the way power actually works,
I thought the Senate was like doing the right thing
by often this dangerous dictator Like no, actually, Julius Caesar
was trying to fix the dysfunctional system by cutting through
the Gordian knot. And whether that's Naive bu Kelly or
Victor orbon or whoever, or Donald Trump, what you need
is energy in the executive to actually solve the problems
in the UK. Right now, you have judges giving rapists
three year sentences who and then they'll give nationalists who
put up flyers five year sentences. Those judges need to
be tossed out on their ear and then put in
prison for abuse of power and destruction of their nation.
American judges who give no you know, light sentences to
criminals and then throw Americans in due legs for January sixth.
They need to go to prison. Non American judges who
are immigrants who come here, you know, who are sexual
perverts who are just against Donald Trump because he's a straight, heterosexual,
white American and they're not. They need to go to prison.
And this whole rule of law nonsense, Like, don't tell
me about the rule of law. I remember twenty twenty.
You want to be unemployed, you wanted to be out
of a job. You want to be out of my house.
You wanted my kids turned against me. You wanted to
force to be vaccinate my children. You wanted to outlaw homeschooling,
you wanted to outlaw private schools. And now you want
to talk about the rules. You want to talk about
the rules, Bro, You're the one who said jungle ball rules.
I'm just the one saying, Okay, that's the way you
wanted to play. Don't ever let a leftist tommy scum
tell you about well the rules. They're the ones who
let negroes burn down half of America's major cities. They're
the reason. They're the reason you can't go in downtown
of the American city and not step on human feces
and needles. Don't tell me about rules. Why are you
quoting laws to me? I have swords, But rules are
for games between people who agree to play a game.
Charles and I can sit down and have a game
of chess. There are rules in chess. I can't just
suck Charles in the mouth when he takes my queen
because it annoys me. Okay, but when you say, all right,
let's sit down to have a game of chess, and
then oh, every time I take one of your pawns,
I get to kill one of your kids. Oh, that's
not a game anymore. I get to impoverish you. Like, no,
that's not how this works. You don't get to destroy
my country because you're resentful, you know, small souled non American.
I'm sorry, you suck, and you're the place you come
from sucks, and your people have a low genetic capability
and mind. Don't sorry. I'm part Canadian, so I can't
help it. But like, that's not the way these things go.
You can't weaponize the law against people for years and
years and years at a time and then and then
be like ooh, the law is being violated. Charles can't swear, so,
but I can't go fuck yourself. Thank you, Oz, you
got anything?
Speaker 7: Well, one thing that stuck out to be that Charles
mentioned just how ridiculous the logic of forced integration has
permeated to every facet of Americans, like look at the
prison system. I like the fact that, in contrast to
the US model, the Saladorian model does make a difference
between having a separating the clear the clear cases of
people that cannot be reformed, like these gang bangers, and
from like the other common criminals who, Yeah, maybe some
of them won't be reformed, but at least you can
like put the rest that can be reformed to use
for state purposes, for civital purposes. Because the way I
see prime, it is ultimately a societal issue. It's a
sidal failure in many ways, not just like a question
of like an individual messing up, because this individual's fuck
ups is like a negative externality for the rest of society.
So the state does have to take it upon itself
defined ways, especially now, creative ways to solve this issue.
And I think there is a lack of political imagination
with a lot of people across the political aisle because
of the fact that their ideologies are informed by very
individualistic priors, and they don't really they don't really like
taking collective action because all these measures that El Salvador
is doing, even at the microcosmic level, they are forms
of like micro collectivism that eventually sadbag into a cohesive
national program. And I think with the case of Al Salvador,
it also shows that it's something that we can emulate
because as a as the maximum goes, big things sometimes
come in small packages, and in El Salvador's case, it
is a model to emulate.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you know, and I guess we'll wrap this
up because getting into a new topic I'll take us
into late into the night. But it all comes back
to you what's been said a couple of times here.
You can just do things, and people with power can
just do things. I mean, Boo Kelly showed that if
you read any accounts of how he had, what he
had to do to get elected, and then what he
had to do after he got elected just to be
able to clean the country up, it's literally you.
Speaker 2: Can just do things.
Speaker 1: Because what he did was well, i mean kind of
against their constitution.
Speaker 2: Or whatever.
Speaker 1: The kind of thing they have down there is but
desperate times, desperate measures, and I'm not so much of
And this isn't me saying, first of all, I don't
want people to think this is me saying Trump needs
to be unleashed. I don't think Trump's the answer. I
just don't. I think he's the path somewhere, and I
think it's going to be more local if you ask
me personally what I think. But yeah, the time for
oh what does the law say? We really need to
dig into these law books and figure out if this
is legal, and maybe we need to run it by
the courts. That time was gone thirty years ago. And
the only person who is the only person or persons
who is going to be able to reverse and nullify
everything that's happened is someone like bou Kelly who's just like,
I don't care what the law says. I don't care
if this council, how long this council has been in charge.
I'm bringing these I'm bringing these soldiers in here with me,
and we're going to do what we do, and we're
going to turn this around. Because people can look at
El Salvador and be like, well, they were the murder
capital of the world. Now it's safer than Baltimore. Yeah,
and now I literally felt safer walking around there. I
wasn't looking behind me like I would be if I
was in Baltimore or New York even Austin, Texas. I
wasn't looking behind me. I was like, Wow, this is incredible.
People are just going about their lives and they're not
worried about They're worried about one last thing getting killed,
getting roughed up, getting robbed. And if we're going to
clean up what's happening here and especially get rid of
the rot.
Speaker 2: Fuck the law.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I give up something else for lent. It wasn't
cursing fuck the law. I mean literally fuck the law.
I don't care, you know, and I know people can
you know, we we could go on a totally different
tangent about you know, Trump is you know, you know,
it's just another fake gay jewop and everything like that.
This isn't about him, This is about us, and it's
not going I'm sorry, unless we get someone like Bukelly,
it's not going to be changed on the national level.
And I don't even know that it can be changed
on the national level with as big as we are
and as multicultural as we are and multi racial as
we are, when you have three hundred and fifty closing
and I'm probably on four hundred million people now, So
it's got to be something else, and it's not going
to look like what you're you know what the typical
boomer con wants. I'm sorry, It's going to be something else.
Anybody can well, I'd love to for just a second.
So the average Mumorican is still caring about liberty and
liberty within what And there's been an interesting discussion I
don't want to take either side of between Joel Davis
and Keith Woods about a certain mustache man and then
the necessity of either embracing or rejecting that mustache man.
But I just I do want to bring something up
that I've talked about before, and that is that Nabu
Kelly is being called, you know, a national socialist except
on the pejoraty of term, and he's being called a dictator,
and he's being called a fascist, and in a very
real sense, you know what Thomas says is true. Right
after nineteen forty five, it became illegal to be effective,
or became legally right wing, and any kind of effective
governance at all, whether it's just like not paying people
who shouldn't be paid, or throwing criminals in jail, or
enforcing the border or anything, is going to be called fascism.
And you just have to step over that and say, yeah,
and so what, because there's there's no society today anywhere
in the world, especially white countries, where ethnic incoherence and
massive structural economic problems and crime isn't a problem or
or intipiately a problem. Like you can say, well, Poland
is safe, they don't have crime, like yeah, but how
quickly could a bunch of Muslims come from Germany into
Poland and just start wrecking stuff? Like pretty easily. There's
nowhere in the world where you can just be isolated
from major problems. You can't run away from it anymore.
You know, jet planes get can and people parasites will
go from a non functioning place to a functional place
and just show up anytime.
Speaker 2: You see it. You see it with all the people
coming to Germany, all the people coming to different countries
in Europe. You see it with people leaving leaving California,
right like there are people who just want to live
someplace nice, and it doesn't matter to them what their
choices are that that might have gotten them in the
place that that it is that way, they just want
to live someplace nice. You see it all over Montana,
you see it all over Idaho, you see it all
over Washington, you see it all over Tennessee. People coming
down from Michigan, people coming down from other states in
the northeast. So instead of arguing about how you're not
really a fascist because you disagree with you know this,
this point seven of Mussolini's doctor you know points or whatever, right,
we can have that discussion amongst ourselves about Moseley and
Franco and Mussolini and mustache Man Salas are whatever. Like
that's a discussion for serious people to have at a
later date, to like thrash out whatever differences we men
have between various different flavors of right wing authoritarian regimes.
It doesn't matter right now, this very second what the
people who are against Buchele or who are trying to
stop whatever measures Donald Trump is trying to do. You
just have to step over those people because they want
the system not to work. They want your children to
be broke, They want them to grow in a non
functioning society with no public schools. They want them to
not have parks and not have safe places to be.
They want your wife's actually harassed in her way in
and out of the grocery store. They want you to
have to pack heat everywhere you go just so you
can get in and out of your truck. And Okay,
if that's the way we have to play, I guess
I'll do it, but I don't I don't want. I
don't mind playing those by those rules, but there are
people who aren't cut out for it, and they shouldn't
have to.
Speaker 1: You want to say anything to close out, Charles, I
think we're we're at that stage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, just a couple of minor points, thank you,
Pete one. I want to just touch back on something
jose had said a while back in the in the broadcast,
when he had said earlier about how keep posting the
blog post or whatever, keep putting new ideas out there.
I want to dovetail that with with D's point about
our side. It is the only side that has anything
good and has had anything good for quite a while.
I won't say forever, because I do think the left
had some good ideas somewhere in the past, but for
now and for the recent past, it hasn't had anything
for quite some time. So always put your ideas out there.
You never know who's going to pick them up and
how far they're going to run with them. And although
he was not a political figure, the author HP Lovecraft
died so poor as to be reusing raise safety raizors
to shave. He died with a few sticks of furniture
and nothing to show for all of his efforts. If, however,
he was still alive today and had the copyrights to
all of his work, he'd be a billionaire. But you
never know what's going what you're going to put out
there in the world, and you never know how long
it's going to take other people to catch on to it,
and you never know how far it's going to be taken,
or how many people are going to grab hold of
it and love it and cherish it and value it.
So never ever stop doing something. And lastly, I'll close
with this, there was somebody that said to you, Pete
in a comment on Twitter, Oh, I didn't realize Charles
had said everything all the time. First always it was
kind of snarky, but I laughed it off, and I
got to say, like the reason I laughed and I
kind of appreciate it, And in a way I actually
took it as a backhanded compliment because I've been doing
stuff like this for thirty thirty five years. I'm in
person at college all all sorts of things. I've tried
everything from screenwriting to guitar playing to stand up comedy.
I've done a lot of stuff. So all this is
to say, not talk myself up, but it's just to
say this, guys, you can just do things. And the
reason that phrase maddens me is you always could. You
always could. If you want to do something, go do it.
Ask now not calling you to break the law to
hurt people, But what I am calling you to do
is someone that masculine bravery.
Speaker 2: Just do it.
Speaker 3: And you know what, somebody wants you to stop, make
them tell you. And I'll close with this last moment,
this last point. One factor has guided my life and
I have never regretted this, if only one thing, I've
never regretted living by this. It is better to beg
forgiveness than to ask permission. God bless everybody, and Pete
once again, thank you for having me on your program.
Speaker 1: Of course, Ose, I want to close out saying anything
and do plugs whatever.
Speaker 7: Yes, one thing I've stressed that we are in we
need to go and reconquista mode in the sense that
perhaps a good deal the changes that we envision for
society are not going to happen in our lifetime or
in honestly many lifetimes, possibly centuries from now. But it's
still worth fighting because I want to be on my
deathbed knowing that I put in one hundred percent of
my effort towards making the polity I live in a
better place, and knowing that the knowledge I accumulated and
the experiences I've accumulated as well have been passed on
the future generations to continue that same fight. And I
think people need to have that in mind, because our
society has programmed us to go for instant gratification and
instant results, and oftentimes that is a siren song for
all sorts of other problems. But yeah, if you want
to continue follow my content, I'm on substack hose Ninho
unfiltered at josbcf dot subseat dot com, and then I'm
also on on x Slash, Twitter, at Jose al Nino,
do you do your.
Speaker 1: Plugs and if you want to, if you had a
last comment or something like that.
Speaker 2: Not fundamental principle and substack and telegram. I just want
to say thanks to you Pete for having me on
UH Folks by Charles Books. Jose was kind enough to
have me on his show a couple of weeks back.
You know, go to premandly be on the wall. Slash
support if you're kind enough to, if you feel compelled,
you can done it to me on gum Road and
a few other places. But you know, support the people
that are doing this full time, like Jose, like Pete,
because you're not gonna hear a conversation like this anywhere else.
And I truly believe as small as this is, these
these efforts are building an avalanche all over the world
and it's an honor to be part of it. And
so thank you for having me Pete.
Speaker 1: Of course, and thank all of you. Thank all of
you for taking time to come and talk to me
basically about my vacation, which which I think before I
even before I even went on it, I think we
we said we would postpone any kind of episode until
after because we knew that it would be the kind
of conversation like we just had, and I'm glad we
did so. Thank you and till the next time, Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 8: H