WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:04.000 The show goes on, and we are joined now by 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:06.839 Max Chadwick from Pro Football Focus. 3 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:08.080 Of course, he is. 4 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:11.839 A college football analyst there. Max, Welcome to the show. 5 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.640 How you doing, what you guys doing? You know, we're 6 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:17.879 having a great day here. It's Friday. It's fun day, 7 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.000 it's fantastic day. It's football day. 8 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.879 Because every day for me is football day, and especially 9 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.920 on Fridays, Fridays or football days you're a football guy. 10 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:32.079 There's a I don't know, a story, a movement, a 11 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:35.759 suggestion that they expand the college football playoffs from twelve 12 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.640 to sixteen. Of course, this is coming probably from the 13 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.920 folks in the Big Ten and the SEC. Your thoughts 14 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:48.280 on the expansion of the college football playoffs, Yeah. 15 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.759 I'm not surprised, honestly, right, I mean it seems like 16 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.280 college football. I mean, listen, it's all about money, as 17 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:55.759 you guys know, and it's become that for It's been 18 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.000 that way for programs forever, and now it's really become 19 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.560 that way for players as well. And you know, ever 20 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.159 since they extended twelve teams, I never thought they would 21 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.319 stop there. So I know, the contract I believe runs 22 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.480 out after this upcoming season for a twelve team playoff, 23 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.840 so who knows how because maybe a sixteen team playoff 24 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:16.760 very very soon. So it's not surprising at all, honestly, 25 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.239 And I actually I really don't think it'll kill college 26 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:21.519 football like a lot of people think it would. You know, 27 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:24.280 pretty much every other level of college football has even 28 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:27.719 bigger playoffs than sixteen teams and they're doing just fine. 29 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:29.400 And I mean a lot of other leagues have way 30 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:31.719 bigger playoffs than twelve team as well, and they're doing 31 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:34.000 just fine too. So I really don't think a sixteen 32 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.439 team playoff would kill college football, with a lot of 33 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:37.159 people think it would. 34 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.480 The house first, the NCAA, they had some kind of pickups. 35 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:45.439 The judges said, hey, go back and add language. I've 36 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:48.920 got an issue with these players that are being cut 37 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:53.159 from teams that these roster limits are, in my opinion, 38 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:55.879 that they injure these players, even high school players who 39 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:58.400 had scholarships rescinded. 40 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.519 Where does this send up? Is this is this something 41 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:02.439 that there should. 42 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.840 Be a concern about right now, or or is it 43 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.799 just that they're just trying to get all the final 44 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.479 eyes dotted and teas crossed. 45 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.199 Yeah, it's interesting what happens in this case, right, it 46 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:16.439 could be a seminal case in college football. I think 47 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.280 it's been coming for a while, honestly, you know, I 48 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.000 think everyone's kind of seen that and IO and everything 49 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:22.919 have kind of changed college football and so for some 50 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.439 ways in the worst, right, So they got to figure 51 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.000 out ways to regulate it a little bit. So, Yeah, 52 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:30.759 it makes sense if this case is happening now, and 53 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.960 I think it'll hopefully bring some good changes to college football. 54 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.080 I wanted there's a couple of folks I want to 55 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.199 talk about here locally at the University of Utah. 56 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:42.159 One Cam Rising. 57 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:44.639 So Cam Rising was a great player at Utah and 58 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.240 took him to the couple of Rose Bulls and won 59 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.199 a couple of Pack twelve championship. He has announced his 60 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.680 essential retirement from football. Your thoughts on Cam and and 61 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.599 him not pursuing football at this time and kind of 62 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:00.680 what he's meant to the program here in Salt Lake. 63 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.879 Yeah, I'm not surprised by it, you know. Unfortunately, injuries 64 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.520 has kind of absolutely tanked his career over the last 65 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.120 few years. Honestly, right, I remember that that torn a 66 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:12.560 CEO and the Rolls Bowl, and then a bunch of 67 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.159 different aims that injuries has kind of you know, ended 68 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.599 a bunch of seasons for him, So not surprised by 69 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:19.759 it at all. I mean, obviously Utah has already moved on. 70 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:21.759 You know, the kind of writing was on the wall 71 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.759 for Cam Rising at Utah when they brought in Devin 72 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.520 dan Pierre from New Mexico is a very talented quarterback, 73 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.960 so they're clearly moving on from quarter at quarterback. I'm 74 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:32.840 sure Cam Rising didn't want to go through some more 75 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:34.599 injuries as well, and I just don't know where he 76 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.840 would have found a starting job in college football nowadays anyways, 77 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:40.520 So this is not a very surprising move. And you know, 78 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.680 he was a great quarterback for Utah, right, He brought 79 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:44.800 them to two Rolls Bowls, He won two Pack twelve 80 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:48.000 championships with Utah, So he should be looked out very 81 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.000 fondly by by Utah fans. Just unfortunate that injuries are 82 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:53.520 unfortunately a big part of his career. 83 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.680 Yeah, it's always tough when when a player, because his 84 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.400 Utah really felt like it had the quality teams the 85 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.879 last couple of years, and uh and and not having 86 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.560 a quarterback and really a solid guy to replace Cam 87 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:10.280 I think a lot of people. 88 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:11.800 You know, man, what could have been? 89 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.759 You know, you could have you talk, competed and won 90 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:16.959 the Big Twelve in their first year and gone to 91 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:18.160 the college football playoffs? 92 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:19.240 And what would that look like? 93 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:22.360 And also for Cam, you know, moving forward, it's like, 94 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:23.879 could he have been a program? 95 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.480 Do you think do you think Cam had an ability 96 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:28.519 to play at the next level? 97 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.920 I don't think so. He always screamed to me like 98 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:35.120 a college quarterback. You know, he's a guy who was 99 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:37.199 very good in college football, but didn't have a necessary 100 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:40.600 tool to be an elite NFL quarterback or even starting 101 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.439 NFL quarterback. So maybe if he never got hurt, maybe 102 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:45.879 he would have gotten a shot. He probably would have 103 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.120 gotten a shot in the NFL as like a late 104 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.639 round pick, as maybe a backup or something like that. 105 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.360 But I mean, he was never a starting caliber quarterback 106 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.600 in the NFL. He was always a very good college quarterback. 107 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.800 Okay, I'm gonna stay with that line of questioning for 108 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.240 just one moment. I hesitate to even ask this question, 109 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:07.439 but oh well, we've already opened a Pandora's box. Let's 110 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:12.639 do it, uh Shador Sanders. Of course, I'm fascinating. Here's 111 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:14.519 this guy, you know, drafted in the fifth round. And 112 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.680 sure there's sure a lot of of pub and and 113 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.519 uh kind of attention brought onto a rookie fifth round 114 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:26.360 draft pick quarterback that usually doesn't happen. Uh, what's your 115 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.639 what's your assessment of Shador where he went in the draft, 116 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.399 and uh kind of what his his potential options are 117 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:38.839 or or you know, how does he pan out moving forward. 118 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.040 Yeah, he's the most fascinating player in this year's draft, 119 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.040 I would say, I mean, I thought he should have been, 120 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.480 you know, a top ten pick in the draft. I 121 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.040 thought he was one of the top quarterbacks that you 122 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.120 can't even argue she should have been the top quarterback 123 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:52.680 in the draft. I don't think he's had far off. 124 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:54.439 So he was. He was very close to cam Ward. 125 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.000 I think a lot of it had to do with 126 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.160 just how he came off in interviews and just maybe 127 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.199 his dad and general on the team's not wanting to 128 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:03.639 deal with that. So him falling the fifth round was 129 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.600 not very much indicative of him as a prospect on 130 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.720 the field. It was probably more due to external factors 131 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.199 off the field. So, I mean, everyone, even even people 132 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.160 who didn't like Shudarg Sanders as a player that much, 133 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:15.959 they still would have told you, hey, he should be 134 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:17.800 a top fifty pick in the NFL draft, right, he 135 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:19.680 should be somewhere in the second round at least, right. 136 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.319 Nobody thought he would have been a fifth round pick. 137 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:24.959 So falling in the fifth round that has nothing really 138 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:26.920 to do with on the field stuff. That's a lot 139 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.439 to do with his off field antics, I would say, 140 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.759 and his father and who his father is too, So 141 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.079 it's unfortunate for him. He's obviously got a lot to 142 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.959 prove now in the NFL. But I mean, hey, Cleveland, 143 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.319 that's a wide open quarterback battle right now. Right, there's 144 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:42.560 not a clear answer at quarterback. I know the drafts 145 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:44.920 Dalan Gabriel ahead of him, But all I'm saying is 146 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:47.079 I'm a huge fan of his game. I would not 147 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.920 be shocked if Shoudre Sanders starts a lot of games 148 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.199 for Cleveland this upcoming year and maybe he thinks his 149 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.600 claim as the starting quarterback for the future for the Browns. 150 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:55.920 Yeah, it is. 151 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.279 It is a compelling dynamic that's gone on with all 152 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.639 of this, and uh, you know, and you hear so many, 153 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:06.759 so many stories and so many different opinions about you know, 154 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.759 some people, you know, like you say, you know, I 155 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.199 don't get it, and other people say, well, we never 156 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:13.319 had him that high. 157 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:15.199 Now I have had person. You know. 158 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.800 I'm the color analyst for Utah football, and so I've 159 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:20.879 watched a lot of Suret Schadeur over the last couple 160 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.879 of years, and I've always liked a lot of what 161 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:29.680 coach Prime has preached at at Colorado. I'm not put 162 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.839 off by his self confidence and his self promotion it 163 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.720 because I really think there's a lot of substance behind 164 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.759 who he is as a as a person, as a coach, 165 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.399 and uh, he just has a flashy way of of 166 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:43.040 of sharing it. 167 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:43.279 Uh. 168 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:48.079 I have I have interviewed Shador the PAC twelve Media Days, 169 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.519 and uh and I and I and I and quite frankly, 170 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:54.839 I kind of can see where people would get that 171 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:59.279 impression of him not very impressed with the interview I had. 172 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:01.759 And I just you know, I had me rolling my 173 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.560 ice quite a bit at a lot of a lot 174 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.680 of the statements and comments and just the whole interview 175 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:08.680 in general. And this this has been you know, several 176 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.480 years ago, and and I just you know, at the time, 177 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.600 I just kind of shook it off as Okay, well 178 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:17.240 that was really strange. Uh and then kind of hearing 179 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.319 some of this, you know, maybe maybe that's that's how 180 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:19.519 it is. 181 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:21.120 So it is, it's fascinating. 182 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:24.319 It's certainly a story that I think people are going 183 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:25.199 to continue to watch. 184 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.600 So I'm gonna say, yeah. The other thing I would 185 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:30.560 say too to that is like, Okay, they say, well, well, 186 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:32.679 Dion had that kind of attitude too, and Dion ended 187 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:34.039 up being, you know, one of the greatest players of 188 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.519 all time. Listen to the difference between Dion and your Door. 189 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:36.759 Though. 190 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:38.600 You could be that as a corner, right, you could 191 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:40.200 have the kind of attitude as a corner and be 192 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.279 that kind of guy. As a quarterback man, you're the 193 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.440 leader of the team, right, And I don't know shr 194 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.639 Door personally, so and I think I think he actually 195 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:49.440 I would take it him still in the first round, 196 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.120 even with knowing some stuff off the field, but I 197 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:53.840 think he can be a leader of a locker room. 198 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.440 But there's no doubt about it. I Mean, he definitely 199 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.399 didn't come off great in those team interviews and that's 200 00:08:58.399 --> 00:08:59.919 why he fell to the fifth round. And you know, 201 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.320 quarterbacks way different than any other position in football, where 202 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:04.840 you kind of have to be a leader of men. 203 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:06.480 And I think there's some teams out there. I'm not 204 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:08.559 saying I was, but there's some teams that they're probably 205 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:09.840 doubted whether or not he'd be a leader of a 206 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:13.360 locker room. 207 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:15.919 I want to go back to Utah here for a minute, 208 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:21.679 and Utah has two really good offensive tackles, Spencer Fano 209 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.399 and Caleb Laomu. 210 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:25.600 And I actually saw. 211 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:27.759 A thing I read it a way too early mock 212 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.480 draft of twenty twenty six, and they had both those 213 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.279 guys going in the first round. What's the perception of 214 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.600 these two tackles for Utah. 215 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.480 Yeah, a lot of people like both of them. I'm 216 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.039 a big fan of Spencer Fino in particular. He was 217 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:45.759 PFF's highest graded tackle in the country actually this past year. Now, 218 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.720 the thing with Spencer Fino that I would tell people 219 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.279 is I don't think he's a long term tackle in 220 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.240 the NFL. I don't think he has a length to 221 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:55.000 play tackle, and I don't think he's got the kick 222 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.600 slide that you need a tackle in pass detection. He's 223 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:59.519 a dominant run blocker. He could be a very very 224 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.320 good guard in the NFL. He by all accounts. He 225 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.080 could be the number one interior office line and I 226 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.279 think in next year's draft now, Lomu could play tackle 227 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.759 in the NFL. I think he's way more of a 228 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.720 project right now than Spencer fino Is. I'm a little 229 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:15.720 bit lower on Lowmu, but there's no doubt about it. 230 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.240 He's got he's got NFL tools, and he could become 231 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:20.840 a first round pick if he develops. But as of 232 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.480 right now, Spencer final is a way better player than 233 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:27.080 Caleb Lomu. But Lomu I think maybe could play tackle 234 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.519 in the NFL. Well, I think Final pretty much. I 235 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.480 would be pretty surprised if he played tackle the NFL. 236 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.000 I think he's probably gona play gard in the NFL. 237 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.200 It's fascinating, and I know there was a lot of 238 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.480 fighting to keep those guys that you know, there are 239 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.519 a lot of suitors that were paying a lot of 240 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.320 money or offering a lot of money to lure those 241 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.919 guys away, which which brings me to my next question. 242 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.399 It supposedly Texas thirty four thirty five to forty million 243 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.480 dollars they've spent on their football team this year. Texas 244 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:00.840 Tech spent a lot of money in the big twelve. 245 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:06.360 Do you see this trend continuing to happen? And I guess, really, 246 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.399 do you see it happening because it's the way to 247 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.320 success or maybe buyer beware a little bit. And it's 248 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.240 not not any guarantee that you're going to have a 249 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:15.679 great team. 250 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:18.679 I think it's the way it's just going to go. 251 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.399 I mean, you have to spend money to be able 252 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:23.559 to be a good team in college football nowadays. And 253 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:25.799 there's no salary cap in college football either, so I 254 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.200 know there's people saying, WHOA, this guy's not worth this, 255 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.120 this guy's not worth that. I mean, nobody knows why 256 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.240 anyone's worth because we don't have a salary cap, right 257 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.279 So this is really the market price is a market 258 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:36.600 price out right now. So when there is a salary 259 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.279 cap and I think eventually there might be one in 260 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.519 college footble the way things are going right now, then 261 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.279 we could say, Okay, this guy's worth this, this guy's 262 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.279 worth that. But as of right now, I mean, if 263 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:47.759 anyone's guess you know what you're worth it really what 264 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.320 you're worth is whatever your top offer is. So it's 265 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:53.559 the way teams are going about business now, and there's 266 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:55.080 no doubt about it that the teams that have the 267 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.840 most funds and the most money to spend on players 268 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.720 are getting the best rosters available right now. So I 269 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.399 think it's it's just kind of the way it is. 270 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.559 And if you don't have you know, significant anil resources, 271 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.600 you're gonna have pretty much fall behind in colls football. 272 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.960 Now, we we kind. 273 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:13.240 Of live in the Big twelve country out here in 274 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.039 uh In, Utah, And I'm really curious kind of now 275 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:21.080 that we've had a couple of these signing open periods, 276 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:25.960 we've had springball moving into the summer, it feels like 277 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.559 every year somebody out of the middle of nowhere rises 278 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.240 up in the Big twelve and wins it. Right, no 279 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.960 one picked Arizona on their bingo card Arizona State to 280 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:40.960 win it, you know, uh, they certainly weren't there, huge surprise, 281 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.120 And it kind of seems that that's that's a trend 282 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.279 in the conference. Do you see that happening again this year? 283 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.600 And kind of where do you see this conference shaking out? 284 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:48.960 Who? 285 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:50.480 Who are the who are the who are the real 286 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.399 contenders in the conference and the and the pretenders. 287 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:55.919 Yeah, I think it's gonna be really fun year again 288 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:57.240 in the Big Twelve. I don't think there's a clear 289 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:59.360 favorite in the Big Twelve right now. I think that's 290 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.240 the one conference once again that you can look at 291 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:02.679 out of the Power forward and say, yeah, I have 292 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:05.000 no idea who's gonna win that conference right now. I 293 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.320 think Arizona State is still absolutely gonna be up there. 294 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:08.960 You know, they brought back Sam Levity, who's one of 295 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:11.879 the best quarterbacks in America. Jordan Tyson's back from his injury. 296 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.919 He's one of the best receivers in the country. I 297 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.919 think Texas Tech is a really really interesting team this year. 298 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.600 They spent a lot of money in the transfer portables offseason. 299 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.320 They brought in a lot of really good transfers. I 300 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.360 think they could have a really, really good team. I 301 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:28.840 think Texas Tech's got to be a team to watch 302 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.320 out for. Kansas State's always going to be up there 303 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.679 with Avery Johnson there BYU brought back a lot of 304 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.639 their really good players from last year, including Jake Regsloff, 305 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:39.559 their quarterback, and they had a really really good year 306 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.200 last year as well. Baylor should be up there. Utah 307 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.440 should still be up there with Devin Dan Pierre decided 308 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.399 to watch what we could do this year two in 309 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.799 Utah is always a very well coached team. So again, 310 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.120 those are like five or six or seven schools I 311 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.559 just named right there that should be really good once 312 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.039 again in the Big Twelve. And yeah, once again it 313 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:00.240 is a wide open conference. There is no true were 314 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:01.639 favorite in the Big Twelve right now. 315 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:06.039 Uh, I'm fascinating to see what happens with some of 316 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.279 these big name NFL coaches that have come into college football? 317 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.919 What what what do you think happens with with Bill Belichick? 318 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.840 And there's a lot of kind of outside of football stuff, 319 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.960 certainly grabbing a lot of headlines with him. And then uh, 320 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.080 where is where is coach prime? After shador and and uh? 321 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.960 And really is his other kids? You know he's he's Uh, 322 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.159 I guess he's an empty nester as a coach now 323 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:30.679 And does that impact him? 324 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:32.720 Where? Where? Where do you see these names? 325 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.279 And is this a trend that maybe continues to happen 326 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:36.159 in college football? 327 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.360 Yeah, it'd be interesting. I think Bill Belichick's me a 328 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:42.639 really interesting case study. You know, he's the greatest coach 329 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.399 I would argue all time in football even and now 330 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.320 he's going to college football after winning so many Super 331 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.679 Bowls in the NFL, so it's gonna be fascinating to 332 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.600 see what he could do in college football. I know 333 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.759 a lot of the story around Hi has unfortunately been 334 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.320 some off the field stuff that's going on with with 335 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.240 Poast Belichick right now that there's no doubt that he 336 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:02.279 on the field, he is as brilliant as they come 337 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:03.559 as an exits and know his mine and one of 338 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.240 the greatest defensive minds we've ever seen in the sport. 339 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.120 So really interesting thing what he could do with North 340 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.360 Carolina next year. They do lose a lot of talent though, 341 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.679 so it could be a little bit of a rebuilding 342 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:17.159 year for them. As for Dion, I don't really know 343 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:21.600 what NFL team would be looking to hire him right now. 344 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.120 I think he's where he is, that Colorado is a 345 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.320 terrific spot for him. He's made Colorado relevant, which is 346 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.000 a very difficult thing to do before he got there. Honestly, 347 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.480 they were a dumpster fire before he got there. I 348 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.840 just don't know if you know, he would ever go 349 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.000 to the NFL or if he would work in the NFL, 350 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.200 you know, and that kind of environment. So maybe he 351 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:44.519 goes to a bigger job in college football. Now that 352 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:46.720 you know his sons are gone, both Shador and Shiloh, 353 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.960 and and Travis Hunter has gone too. Maybe he looks 354 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.080 for a bigger job, and maybe a bigger job looks 355 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:54.120 to him to help them rebuild their program. But I 356 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.519 don't know if really fits the NFL. I think he's 357 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:58.519 more of a college coach and he'll keep doing that 358 00:15:58.559 --> 00:15:59.519 as long as he wants. 359 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.639 To see I have a theory. I'd be curious what 360 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.720 you think about it. With these coaches and and you know, 361 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:08.720 why are they leaving the NFL and with A with 362 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.200 a as you said, there's no salary cap. If you 363 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.039 have the funding, you basically can go out and uh 364 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.320 buy your team. You know, like as long as and 365 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.159 and with a high profile coach, people are like, well 366 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.600 I want to go there because I want to go 367 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.799 to the pros. And the perception is these pro coaches 368 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:28.960 know what it takes to get you to the pros. 369 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:32.960 So uh, Whereas if you're if you're an an NFL coach, 370 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:34.960 you got to rely on the draft, you gotta rely 371 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.600 on free agency. You don't have as much control over 372 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.000 getting the players you want. Whereas you know, like if 373 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.360 you know, if you're Bill Belichick and you have an 374 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.600 open checkbook, you can probably go get about whoever you want, 375 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.200 and and and and I wonder if that's is that 376 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.879 part of the draw, Is that what these these coaches 377 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.559 are seeing, uh, that it's just kind of wide open. Uh, 378 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:59.720 you know there aren't There aren't the restrictions like there 379 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:00.480 are in the NFL. 380 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:05.839 No, I think you're onto something there. Honestly, there's really 381 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:08.279 no restrictions in college football right now. So you can, 382 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:09.799 if you have the funds, you could build the best 383 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.000 roster possible if you really want to. Right there's no 384 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.880 salary cap, like you said, so, I mean theoretically would 385 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.839 never happen, But theoretically you could grab the best players 386 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.279 in the air position in the country and build a 387 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.839 roster and you know, not have to worry about a 388 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:22.000 salary cap or and it's like that. 389 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:22.160 Now. 390 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:23.799 Of course, you probably wouldn't be able to afford that, 391 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.200 but there's no limits to what you could do in 392 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.559 college football nowadays, with the way ANIL is now. I 393 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.839 will say for some NFL coaches, there's it's way more 394 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:35.839 structured in the NFL. And I'm sure a lot of 395 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:39.880 coaches enjoy that structure, right were guys are under contracts, right, 396 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.200 you cannot leave your team unless your contract is finished 397 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.000 or unlearn unless the team cuts you or trades you. 398 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:44.200 Right. 399 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:46.359 So now there's no contracts in the end and then 400 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.359 nil and college football guys are transferring left and right 401 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.880