Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Deb Bowie.
Speaker 2: And I'm Samantha Fay.
Speaker 1: We're so excited that you are with us this week
Speaker 1: as we offer to you one of our very your
Speaker 1: very favorite episodes. It's Ours two, our question and answer episode,
Speaker 1: and you guys have sent us some great questions and
Speaker 1: stories and here we go. Samantha, you want to get
Speaker 1: us started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I just want to say Deb
Speaker 2: and I had the great pleasure of going to one
Speaker 2: of our local book festivals and we got to meet
Speaker 2: some of our listeners, which was such a huge, huge treat,
Speaker 2: and a couple of them had said, been listening to
Speaker 2: you forever. I think one lady said she just discovered
Speaker 2: us this semester. Listen to me this fall, and she said,
Speaker 2: and they all expressed that this is their favorite episode,
Speaker 2: is listening to the Q and A. So just wanted
Speaker 2: to give a shout out to all our lovely friends
Speaker 2: and listeners who came to see us and shared that.
Speaker 2: And what did we say. We said, we agree those
Speaker 2: are our favorite episodes too.
Speaker 1: Wait, Tip, and I have to tell you all it
Speaker 1: was a little embarrassing. Yeah. One woman walked up and
Speaker 1: she said, oh my god, you're Samantha and Damn and
Speaker 1: we went, yeah, we all heard, and don't misunderstand that
Speaker 1: folks were honored, but it was so little, like whoa
Speaker 1: where did that come from? But it was really lovely.
Speaker 1: Quite a great time we had. We really enjoyed our
Speaker 1: time meeting new folks and seeing so many of you
Speaker 1: who know us and through the podcast, So thank you
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: Okay, our first question says, I'm a psychic medium. I've
Speaker 2: had experiences for as long as I can remember, but
Speaker 2: for the first time this past February, I saw my
Speaker 2: wife's aura with my own eyes. She was having a
Speaker 2: rough time and suddenly I saw it flash around her.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say anything because she was sharing
Speaker 2: something emotional, but later that night I asked her. All
Speaker 2: travel to the spirit plane and was learning how to
Speaker 2: see people's auras because it was easier to see us spirit.
Speaker 2: They were so beautiful and complex, like layers of colors
Speaker 2: with three bright balls of energy extending over people's heads.
Speaker 2: I came back and saw my wife's aura. My body
Speaker 2: didn't have one at that moment. I saw my dog's aura,
Speaker 2: and then I flew up and saw our apartment even
Speaker 2: had an aura. It was green. I went back to
Speaker 2: the spirit plane and was practicing more. I think I
Speaker 2: got a download of information or something, because suddenly I
Speaker 2: had this intense fear of a mass extinction event on
Speaker 2: the Earth. I was just filled with dread. Now I
Speaker 2: grew up atheist. I don't know anything about angels and
Speaker 2: wouldn't really think to call for them, but I did.
Speaker 2: I called for help from an angel, and one appeared immediately.
Speaker 2: He came to me as a sort of ball of
Speaker 2: light with something spinning around it, and then appeared as
Speaker 2: a classical depiction of an angel in a robe. He
Speaker 2: was so large, like twenty feet tall, and something about
Speaker 2: him was golden, but nothing was gold And he introduced
Speaker 2: himself as Gabriel, which I looked up later and that
Speaker 2: is apparently an archangel. So I said, I was deeply
Speaker 2: afraid for some event to cause this unimaginable extinction, and
Speaker 2: he just wordlessly filled me with this indescribable reassurance. Then
Speaker 2: he put me into a potential future lifetime of mind
Speaker 2: where this event could happen. I'll spare you a account
Speaker 2: of it, because it's just a long description of a
Speaker 2: lot of people's from my current life as different people
Speaker 2: and some new but very loved people in this very
Speaker 2: mundane setting. But it was filled with so much emotion.
Speaker 2: But what was important was after I was pulled out
Speaker 2: of the possible future lifetime and standing near the angel again,
Speaker 2: I had my answer. All of this wisdom was just
Speaker 2: shared to me at the deepest level. He said, no
Speaker 2: matter what happens big or small now or lifetimes from now,
Speaker 2: we will all be with our loved ones, safe in
Speaker 2: their arms, whether we're right here with them physically or
Speaker 2: in spirit, none of us will be alone. And above all,
Speaker 2: we are all deeply beloved, every one of us, and
Speaker 2: nothing will truly happen to us because we are spirit
Speaker 2: and so deeply loved. The experience was also a personal
Speaker 2: lesson to trust my gifts. The reason why I was
Speaker 2: physically able to end that lifetime literally hugging every loved
Speaker 2: one in my life was because I was psychic then
Speaker 2: and listened and trusted my gifts. But that wasn't the
Speaker 2: only thing he showed me. Immediately after, he gave me
Speaker 2: a lesson about what I perceive as failure. I was
Speaker 2: placed in this coffee shop and there was a box
Speaker 2: of straws near the edge of the counter. I knew
Speaker 2: it was going to fall, but I didn't do anything
Speaker 2: to prevent it, and a woman came by and knocked
Speaker 2: them down, and she broke down crying. I knelt down
Speaker 2: to help her, and she explained that her baby had
Speaker 2: just died, and while she cried, we connected and she
Speaker 2: was able to heal a little from just the kindness
Speaker 2: of a stranger. And then the scene reset. This time
Speaker 2: I saw the box of straws and knew they were
Speaker 2: going to fall, so I moved them from the edge
Speaker 2: because I didn't want anyone to somehow get hurt. The
Speaker 2: woman walked by and didn't knock them over. Instead, she
Speaker 2: was just sad and angry and grabbed her coffee and left.
Speaker 2: And we never shared that moment. We just stayed isolated.
Speaker 2: The lesson was about the beauty that comes from mistakes.
Speaker 2: What I view as a mistake or failure was actually
Speaker 2: a profound moment of connection and vulnerability. Wow, that image
Speaker 2: that the angel showed this listener, that's really profound. I
Speaker 2: hope that helps all of us who struggle and grapple
Speaker 2: with perceived views of personal failure, because that is such
Speaker 2: a great lesson.
Speaker 1: It really is. They're a lot to unpack in this email,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole askal for rejection, Aura seeing thing
Speaker 1: and the straws. I certainly hope that this listener is
Speaker 1: keeping records and make writing down dates, because clearly there's
Speaker 1: a lot of work for this person to be doing
Speaker 1: in a wonderful way.
Speaker 2: I never thought of a home or an apartment as
Speaker 2: having a collective aura, but it makes such perfect sense.
Speaker 1: You've never seen your cars, Aura.
Speaker 2: No, I've never seen my cars, Aura.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Be a nerd around it, but not an aura.
Speaker 1: Do you name your cars.
Speaker 2: SyES, I do name all of my cars.
Speaker 1: Well, if you give them a name, they have a
Speaker 1: vibration that you've created that might help you connect to them.
Speaker 2: I know it makes perfect sense, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: But an apartment building is different because that's the collective
Speaker 2: energy of everyone living there.
Speaker 1: Well, that's true. But if you were to zoom in
Speaker 1: and kind of telescope in on your windows, you might
Speaker 1: see something specific to you. True, just something to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to think about in that email.
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that with us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay. Our next one says, I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of your show and wanted to share a synchronicity with you.
Speaker 1: About a week ago, Oh no, I have to pronounce
Speaker 1: these words. About a week ago, I purchased a copy
Speaker 1: of the non Hamadi text Perfect thank you. I have
Speaker 1: been a practicing pagan for many years just received crafting
Speaker 1: the Wheel of the Year in the Male Dead love it,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. But I have recently
Speaker 1: felt called to tune into the teachings of Jesus, and
Speaker 1: I thought this would be an interesting thread to follow.
Speaker 1: The next day, a friend of mine sent a video
Speaker 1: that references these documents, and I commented to her that
Speaker 1: this was such a lovely coincidence. Within a couple of
Speaker 1: days later, you posted your episode on gnosticism, and my
Speaker 1: mind was truly blown. Clearly, there is a power beyond
Speaker 1: that is compelling me, and I had so many others
Speaker 1: to gain awareness of these teachings. All that said, please
Speaker 1: continue to unravel this for us, and we're happy to
Speaker 1: do that. And I think this email must have been
Speaker 1: written before we aired the episode that was a follow
Speaker 1: up to the Gnosticism episode about the Couthers. I want
Speaker 1: to address a couple of things that this listener says
Speaker 1: in this email, because they're just great. You offerd me
Speaker 1: talk probably your rolling your eyes now a zillion times
Speaker 1: about connection and about how there's more common ground in
Speaker 1: our world than there are differences when we look for them,
Speaker 1: and this is one example of that. And I love
Speaker 1: knowing that that this person was aware of the synchronicities,
Speaker 1: realized that there was a message in this for him
Speaker 1: or her, and that there's always something new to uncover.
Speaker 1: I think of life as an onion, y'all. I think
Speaker 1: of to Row that way particularly, but I think of
Speaker 1: life as an onion. We just keep feeling layers and
Speaker 1: learning and seeing connections and growing. And I love the
Speaker 1: idea that there's not mutual exclusivity among belief systems and teachers,
Speaker 1: but in fact common ground to be found and to
Speaker 1: be embraced and to be honored. So thank you so
Speaker 1: very much for this email.
Speaker 2: Yes, well said, and another reminder that there is no
Speaker 2: such thing as coincidence, that when we follow the synchronicities,
Speaker 2: we can really see the language of the universe and
Speaker 2: how our team is trying to talk to us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Our next one says a couple of weeks ago, I
Speaker 2: was needing a little love from my spiritual team. In
Speaker 2: regard to my work, I'm an actor and this career
Speaker 2: comes with serious highs, lows, and periods of self doubt.
Speaker 2: I asked for a feather because feathers remind me of
Speaker 2: my angels, but I stipulated that it had to be
Speaker 2: a special feather so I wouldn't question it. I live
Speaker 2: in New York City, so I see pigeon feathers everywhere.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to suggest that pigeons aren't special. In fact,
Speaker 2: I don't think pigeons get the love and respect they
Speaker 2: deserve from most humans, just that it would be easy
Speaker 2: for me to dismiss seeing a pigeon feather on the
Speaker 2: ground as not meant for me. I gave a time
Speaker 2: frame and tried to forget about it, which is always
Speaker 2: the hardest part for me. I did see many pigeon
Speaker 2: feathers over the next few days. On the last day
Speaker 2: of the time frame I had asked for, my partner
Speaker 2: suggested we put on an episode of my favorite TV
Speaker 2: show to lift my spirits. He likes this show but
Speaker 2: was definitely turning it on for me. I've seen this
Speaker 2: episode before multiple times, but this time I happen to
Speaker 2: notice that in one scene, a character and his puppet
Speaker 2: are wearing hats with you guessed it, red feathers in
Speaker 2: the brim. This hilarious show is one that I often
Speaker 2: point to as the kind of project I would want
Speaker 2: to be involved in if I had my druthers. So
Speaker 2: it was perfect. The show is Arrested Development. If you're curious. Oh,
Speaker 2: I was curious, and I love that show. My team
Speaker 2: knows me well, I will keep my hope alive.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: That is such a great example of how you're kind
Speaker 2: of just needing a little pick me up and you
Speaker 2: want to know, should I keep on acting? Should I
Speaker 2: keep on with these auditions? Show me a red feather?
Speaker 1: And sure?
Speaker 2: Could her spiritual team have dropped a red feather in
Speaker 2: her path from someone walking in front of her coming
Speaker 2: out of another audition with a red feather? Boa, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they could have probably made that happen, But no, they
Speaker 2: had this listener see it on her favorite TV show
Speaker 2: that she would like to be in, that she would
Speaker 2: like to embie the work that she wants to put
Speaker 2: out in the world. It just shows how much our
Speaker 2: team gets us, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Well, it really does. And you know she didn't ask
Speaker 1: for a red feather. She just asks for any feather
Speaker 1: other than a pigeon. But the universe and her guides
Speaker 1: gave her a bright red feather that she really couldn't
Speaker 1: miss in a way she couldn't miss it, And I
Speaker 1: just love that, and I love that. Another important lesson
Speaker 1: here is that when we let go as this person did, well,
Speaker 1: we let go of our expectations and our own parameters
Speaker 1: about a request, lots of cool things can happen, and
Speaker 1: that we should not discount the fact that the answer
Speaker 1: shows up on a TV show, which is really pretty
Speaker 1: cool actually, if you think about it all right. Our
Speaker 1: next one says, I am relatively new to my spiritual journey,
Speaker 1: although like many I've had experiences since I was little.
Speaker 1: The emphasis of meditation on your podcast test has inspired
Speaker 1: me to do it more regularly since then. I've noticed
Speaker 1: that in the moments before I fully wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning, images will appear to what I believe is
Speaker 1: my third eye. Am still figuring it out. They are
Speaker 1: usually faces. Most recently, I saw the face of an
Speaker 1: older woman with dark eyes like black holes, and white hair.
Speaker 1: She had on a garden hat with netting over her face.
Speaker 1: In the moment, my half dreamed state told me she
Speaker 1: was a bee keeper. As I woke up, I heard
Speaker 1: a bee buzzing in my room. It didn't last very long,
Speaker 1: but it was long enough for me to notice. I
Speaker 1: had already been trying to make sense of the morning
Speaker 1: when something else happened. On my way to work that day,
Speaker 1: I was striving and had my sun roof open. At
Speaker 1: a stoplight, a bee came buzzing into my car. It
Speaker 1: found its place on the window and was fairly calm.
Speaker 1: I let it stay for a few second, but then
Speaker 1: realized it would be a bad idea to risk getting
Speaker 1: stung while driving and let it out by window. I
Speaker 1: feel like this experience holds significance, but I have no
Speaker 1: idea what it means. I originally was scared because of
Speaker 1: the dark eyes of the face, but I think that
Speaker 1: was just my anxiety. Could it be a spirit guide
Speaker 1: or someone else? What could the bee keeper and the
Speaker 1: bee be a symbol of I'd love your thoughts. I
Speaker 1: am grateful to have a place to ask this question.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so Samantha, I could do a whole episode
Speaker 1: on the answer to this question. I know.
Speaker 2: That's why I put it in your Little inbox because
Speaker 2: I knew you know a lot about this.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of stuff that is going through my head.
Speaker 1: The scientific name for bees generically is melissa, and it
Speaker 1: comes from a Greek legend. So I would recommend that
Speaker 1: the listener go dig through the notion of the melissa
Speaker 1: plural melissa in Greek mythology. I would also invite you
Speaker 1: to think about what bees do. Without the bees, there
Speaker 1: is no us. I'm done. That's the end, that is
Speaker 1: all there is to it. If we don't have bees,
Speaker 1: we don't have a planet. So they are a huge,
Speaker 1: hugely important manipulator basically of the planet. We need them desperately.
Speaker 1: They do all sorts of wonderful things. They teach us
Speaker 1: also about relationship and family, and about space and parameters
Speaker 1: and guidelines in our lives. Bees work within certain geographic
Speaker 1: locations to do their work, and obviously they work very
Speaker 1: very hard. It takes I don't even know the right numbers.
Speaker 1: I can't even tear. But it's thousands of bees and
Speaker 1: time to create a tea spoon of honey. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a whole big thing. So take a look at
Speaker 1: bees in the scientific and just the logical ways in
Speaker 1: which bees work. They also are deeply loyal to each other,
Speaker 1: to their queen, to the person that the bee, person
Speaker 1: that they most respect. There is this wonderful tradition called
Speaker 1: telling the bees. And if you're not familiar with the
Speaker 1: story behind that sentence, it's an absolutely beautiful one. It's
Speaker 1: the notion that when we suffer loss, when someone dies,
Speaker 1: when the queen of the hive herself dies, everybody needs
Speaker 1: to have that information, and everybody needs an opportunity to
Speaker 1: feel whatever they're feeling about the situation. So we tell
Speaker 1: the bees. And one of the things I'm most recommend
Speaker 1: you do out of all this stuff I'm rattling off
Speaker 1: here is I invite you to read. The movie is great,
Speaker 1: but read the book The Secret Life of Bees by
Speaker 1: Sue monk Kid. Sue writes about a family of beekeepers
Speaker 1: and the gifts that this family of women do to
Speaker 1: take care of their community, their neighborhood, and basically an
Speaker 1: orphaned little girl, and they are all deeply dedicated to
Speaker 1: the Black Madonna, and she too has all these connections
Speaker 1: to the bees. But I hope what I've just done
Speaker 1: is given you enough to give you a starting point
Speaker 1: to look at bees from a lot of different perspectives
Speaker 1: to see what they mean to you. As I was
Speaker 1: reading this email from you, the minute you said she
Speaker 1: had netting over her face, I knew before I kept reading,
Speaker 1: I knew I was seeing a beekeeper, and so I
Speaker 1: would absolutely agree with you that is who the wise
Speaker 1: old woman was. She was a beekeeper. But bees do
Speaker 1: all sorts of interesting things when they're in closed spaces,
Speaker 1: and I think you can have a relationship with bees.
Speaker 1: I understand the fear of, oh golly, I've got this
Speaker 1: bee in my car, Am I going to get stung
Speaker 1: while I'm trying to drive down the highway and get
Speaker 1: that my beds. You wouldn't have been the bee came
Speaker 1: to give you a really important message. So when we
Speaker 1: get this kind of significant nudge from universal energy, from nature,
Speaker 1: from our dream state, from our meditation state, it's important
Speaker 1: to pay attention to that information and to do a
Speaker 1: lot of research from really reputable sources to see which
Speaker 1: pieces of that material and information from that symbol brings
Speaker 1: to us right now in this moment, knowing that the
Speaker 1: time may come when there will be more and more
Speaker 1: and more layers to that information to unfold.
Speaker 2: Well, said dev All I can add to that is
Speaker 2: there is a crystal that our listener might want to
Speaker 2: check out called Bumblebee Jasper.
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, that's a great thought. Good thought, talk.
Speaker 2: About layers of an onion. I mean, you know, like,
Speaker 2: is her guide's name Melissa or a bee keeper or both.
Speaker 2: There's so many fun rabbit holes she can go down
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: Yep. So you may be right about that, But I'm
Speaker 1: thinking in term of the right the Yeah, the meaning
Speaker 1: of the word melissa from mythology and from the scientific
Speaker 1: name for bees. Oh thanks, sed all came off the
Speaker 1: top of my head. I hope it was all right.
Speaker 2: It was more than all right. Okay, our next but
Speaker 2: it's going to take us in a different direction, it says.
Speaker 2: The reason for my email is that it was just
Speaker 2: reminded of a man named Bob Lazar that shared some
Speaker 2: very interesting information in the eighties regarding extraterrestrial transportation and beings.
Speaker 2: If you look into his story, it seems he was
Speaker 2: silenced and possibly even threatened to keep his mouth shut.
Speaker 2: I believed him then, and I believe him now. I'm
Speaker 2: currently watching an interview with him by Joe Rogan on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I stopped to email this to you when he mentioned
Speaker 2: gravity and how it may be manipulated to make time
Speaker 2: travel and more possible. I've thought of mister Lazarre off
Speaker 2: and on throughout my life. I've never wavered in my
Speaker 2: belief in his experience, the same way I never doubted
Speaker 2: the Memphis Three were innocent. After seeing the documentary on
Speaker 2: HBO all those years ago, I just knew I could
Speaker 2: feel it. What reignited my thoughts on mister Lazar is
Speaker 2: that there's now a new documentary coming out November twenty
Speaker 2: one regarding the scene topic. I'm very excited for this step.
Speaker 2: It's called the Age of Disclosure, and you can render
Speaker 2: by it, I believe, on Prime Video starting November twenty. First,
Speaker 2: before I continue with the email, if anyone out there
Speaker 2: is listening on the treadmiller or driving to work and
Speaker 2: they're like, what the heck are they talking to? Bob Blazar.
Speaker 2: Biblezar came to George Knapp's attention in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: George Napp interviewed him. He talked about his work on
Speaker 2: a military base where he was working with a crashed
Speaker 2: UFO and he was supposed to deconstruct this crest ship
Speaker 2: so that they could figure out how it worked. He
Speaker 2: actually would tell a lot of people. He told his wife,
Speaker 2: he told his friends, and he said, oh yeah, like,
Speaker 2: we're actually test flying our creation. After we figured out
Speaker 2: how to disassemble and put together the crashed spaceship, they
Speaker 2: made their own and we test fly it every night
Speaker 2: at this time, and he took all his friends and
Speaker 2: his wife out to go watch it. And of course
Speaker 2: he was caught and fired. And when on George Knapp's show,
Speaker 2: his TV news show Out of Las Vegas, and George
Speaker 2: Knapp did his due diligence as a journalist, bible Czar
Speaker 2: had been wiped from history. He said he went to
Speaker 2: these schools, no evidence that he went to these schools,
Speaker 2: Like it was crazy, and so people just did not
Speaker 2: believe him for decades now. He did say that one
Speaker 2: of the things they were working on was a new
Speaker 2: chemical thing that they had learned about from these off
Speaker 2: planet beings, and he named the component, and no one
Speaker 2: believed him. And then lo and behold them. We discovered
Speaker 2: that in I think the early two thousands, and people
Speaker 2: started going, wait a minute, bible Czar was talking about
Speaker 2: this in the eighties, Maybe he wasn't actually lying. So
Speaker 2: that's just a very, very brief overview of his story.
Speaker 2: Our email listener continues, Please understand that I am a regular,
Speaker 2: average person. I do not have lofty ideas about aliens,
Speaker 2: nor have I chased lights in the sky or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But I have always believed that there is
Speaker 2: something else besides us out there. I've never been a
Speaker 2: particularly religious person, and not a big fan of organized religion,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, I've always had an open
Speaker 2: mind that there are other worldly things that we do
Speaker 2: not know about or understand. I've always joked that I
Speaker 2: hope we are not the most intelligent beings in the universe.
Speaker 2: If so, that's a very sad sentiment and even rather disheartening.
Speaker 2: Humans have a lot of room for improvement. I've always
Speaker 2: been open to the idea of ghost, angels and other
Speaker 2: things that may be out there. I think it's hard
Speaker 2: to rule anything out if you don't know it. For
Speaker 2: a fact, I understand faith and respect it. I feel
Speaker 2: like all of this stuff is interrelated. Trying hard to
Speaker 2: be the light. Some days are easier than others. Well,
Speaker 2: thank you for that email. I really really appreciate all
Speaker 2: of that. I will check out his interview on Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan's show, because I don't remember him talking about time travel,
Speaker 2: so that's gonna be fun for me to research. And
Speaker 2: I am really excited about that documentary that's coming out again.
Speaker 2: It's called The Age of Disclosure.
Speaker 1: Wow, this will be fascinating. I'm sure we will be
Speaker 1: doing some kind of a show about that coming up eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so.
Speaker 1: And let me just come out on this person's last sentence,
Speaker 1: trying hard to be the light. Some days are easier
Speaker 1: than others. Amen. That is so true, and that's called
Speaker 1: being human. And it's okay that some days are harder
Speaker 1: than others as long as we keep trying. I just
Speaker 1: need to say.
Speaker 2: That, exactly. And it's like anything with light or a
Speaker 2: candle metaphor, some days your candle's not gonna shine so bright,
Speaker 2: and that's okay. That's when you reach out and connect
Speaker 2: with others so that we can all help light each
Speaker 2: other up.
Speaker 1: And there are times you just lose the damn matches,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, exactly, I know, but you keep trying
Speaker 1: and you find some more, so you're okay, So thank
Speaker 1: you for that. Okay. Our next one says a few
Speaker 1: years ago I was having trouble sleeping, so I went
Speaker 1: into the guest room so as not to disturb my husband.
Speaker 1: I fell asleep, but woke up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night seeing a woman standing or floating in the
Speaker 1: corner of the room. Without thinking, I said my cousin's name.
Speaker 1: What was weird is I couldn't see the woman's face,
Speaker 1: it was black or non visible, but I could see
Speaker 1: her clothes. They were distinctly eighties, a color blocked sweater
Speaker 1: vest and pegged khaki pants. Still, I knew, somehow, even
Speaker 1: though I said my cousin's name, that this was my aunt,
Speaker 1: who passed before I was born. When she was alive,
Speaker 1: she looked a lot like my cousin. Then about a
Speaker 1: month ago, something similar happened. I woke up from a
Speaker 1: dream to see an overweight man standing by my bed.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see his face, but assumed in my half
Speaker 1: of sleep state that it was my husband. When I
Speaker 1: fully woke up, I realized it couldn't have been my husband,
Speaker 1: who is very lean, and realized it must have been
Speaker 1: my uncle, saying hi, he's the only person whose body
Speaker 1: fits the description and passed about a year ago. Now
Speaker 1: and again because I wasn't alarmed by the visit and
Speaker 1: recognized the person somehow. I guess my question is, why
Speaker 1: can't I see their faces even though I instinctually recognized
Speaker 1: who is coming to say hi? It's a great question.
Speaker 1: Here's what I would say about that. If you can
Speaker 1: accept the premise that everything is energy, and that acts
Speaker 1: of any sort take energy. Lifting the coffee cup sitting
Speaker 1: next to me takes energy. So everything takes energy, and
Speaker 1: we don't always think about how much unless we're I
Speaker 1: don't know, you're about to run a marathon, then you
Speaker 1: know you need some extra energy. But we don't give
Speaker 1: that the physicality or the science of that a whole
Speaker 1: lot of thought. But think about the notion that energy
Speaker 1: transcends the earth plane, and that it exists beyond in
Speaker 1: ways that we cannot even imagine. And of course there
Speaker 1: are many theorists who believe, and I am one of
Speaker 1: these people who believe that when we are across the veil,
Speaker 1: in those other planes other than the earthplane, we are
Speaker 1: pure energy. So think about how much energy it must
Speaker 1: take to put on the mantle of physicality and come
Speaker 1: back across the veil to present ourselves to someone we
Speaker 1: love which has happened to you in both of theseus
Speaker 1: And probably the seeing the face and you're not seeing
Speaker 1: the face is one possibility that is running through my
Speaker 1: head is you know, that's not really important anymore to
Speaker 1: them from the other side. They don't think about the
Speaker 1: need to look like they look when you knew them.
Speaker 1: So that's one possibility. They're giving you enough information with
Speaker 1: the clothing and the connections for you to figure out
Speaker 1: who they are and the face doesn't much matter. And
Speaker 1: another thing is that you may need to see them
Speaker 1: without a face, so that your guides help you to
Speaker 1: begin to trust what you're getting when these things happen,
Speaker 1: other than what you need to physically see.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, too, is just focusing on
Speaker 2: the intuitive feeling you get of who that is that's
Speaker 2: rather than the physicality of it. Yes, I remember when
Speaker 2: I would get up early in the morning and pack
Speaker 2: lunches in the kitchen. I could tell which of my
Speaker 2: daughters was a week by how they walked great. You know,
Speaker 2: if you know someone really well, you just know without
Speaker 2: having to see them. And I think they're trying to
Speaker 2: get this listener to trust that instinctual, intuitive feeling I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, let's take a really quick break and we'll
Speaker 2: be waight back to dive into more of these great questions.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Okay. Our next question says my mom and
Speaker 2: I had traveled with some of my friends to stay
Speaker 2: with my during my spring break. I was excited for
Speaker 2: the visit. One night, my mom and aunt went out
Speaker 2: for the evening and left us kids at the house.
Speaker 2: I fell asleep breathing. Suddenly I awoke. I had fallen
Speaker 2: asleep with the light on, and the light going off
Speaker 2: had startled me awake. I sat up and shouted to
Speaker 2: my friend in the room next door, and she came in.
Speaker 2: I asked if she'd turned my light off, and she
Speaker 2: said yes, because I was asleep. She left the room
Speaker 2: and I laid back down. But a few minutes later,
Speaker 2: I felt the air in the room shift, like an
Speaker 2: electric feeling. My body was on edge, as if in
Speaker 2: slow motion. I turned and looked toward the bedroom door.
Speaker 2: To my disbelief, the bedroom door had moved from the
Speaker 2: wall and there was someone behind the door made of shadow.
Speaker 2: It looked like a girl my age, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: see the details. She blended in with the shadow of
Speaker 2: the dresser on the wall beside the door. Very quickly,
Speaker 2: she raised her arms up to the door, and the
Speaker 2: door swung forward and closed almost completely. I panicked, throwing
Speaker 2: the covers over my head and thinking, please, God, make
Speaker 2: them go away. When I felt brave enough to look again,
Speaker 2: she was gone, but the door was still shut. I
Speaker 2: screamed out for my friend next door again, and when
Speaker 2: she pushed the door open and walked in, I asked
Speaker 2: if she shut the door. She said no, and that
Speaker 2: she was trying to get ready for bed herself, clearly
Speaker 2: irritated with my outburst. In a rush, I told her
Speaker 2: what I had seen, and she bolted from the room,
Speaker 2: saying I was freaking her out. Looking back, I don't
Speaker 2: know how I fell asleep in there after that. I
Speaker 2: never once doubted that it happened, because if I had
Speaker 2: imagined her, how did the door move and nearly close? Well,
Speaker 2: I don't think you did imagine her. I think you
Speaker 2: are either seeing a ghost or a shadow being, which
Speaker 2: often does happen when we're in that twilight in between
Speaker 2: worlds of sleep and awake. And I think you did
Speaker 2: actually see that, don't you agree?
Speaker 1: I do? And you know shadow people, that's what they
Speaker 1: hang outs in doorways and in the house I used
Speaker 1: to live in, and at a very stressful time in
Speaker 1: my life, I have shadow people show up. And there
Speaker 1: they were, out of the corner of my eye, in
Speaker 1: the corner of the doorframes, in the doorways. And I
Speaker 1: may have been you who taught me this, Samantha, that
Speaker 1: if you say to them you gotta go, they gotta go.
Speaker 1: So I would say to the shadow people, you are
Speaker 1: not welcome here, you must leave, and they would go
Speaker 1: away and be gone for some time, and then eventually
Speaker 1: later they somebody would come back, but they would leave
Speaker 1: because I had said they had to. So I agreed
Speaker 1: that she either potentially saw a ghost or she saw
Speaker 1: some kind of energy that may have been in some
Speaker 1: way connected, perhaps even to the house and not to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, is connected more towards
Speaker 2: the house. Yeah, Oh, I think we can validate that
Speaker 2: you definitely saw what she saw.
Speaker 1: We no doubt you. Nope. Okay, here's the next one. Oh, dear, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try not to cry with this one.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you all about my Iggy Ziggy
Speaker 1: Stardust cat deb It made me think of you and
Speaker 1: your beloved Merlin Iggy had been my baby since I
Speaker 1: got her right out of college. She even endured a
Speaker 1: stroke when they spayed her because she was not given
Speaker 1: enough oxygen during surgery. At the time, she was in
Speaker 1: a vegetative state. But with my parents' help, we rehabilitated her,
Speaker 1: taught her to walk, eat, and use a litter box again.
Speaker 1: She swept on my pillow by my head every night
Speaker 1: until I moved in with my husband. Needless to say,
Speaker 1: when he took her spot in the bed, he wasn't
Speaker 1: ever her favorite person. I bet not. She made six
Speaker 1: moves with me, loved our daughters and even a rambunctious
Speaker 1: golden retriever when he entered our lives three years ago.
Speaker 1: She ruled our home and she was amazing. She captured
Speaker 1: the hearts of every one who met her, even if
Speaker 1: they didn't like cats. She was the sweetest and always
Speaker 1: will be my first baby. Now on to recent events.
Speaker 1: My husband and I have been on a roller coaster
Speaker 1: of moving from one city to another over the last
Speaker 1: two years. Projects get pushed and it has been incredibly
Speaker 1: stressful living in Limbo. Recently, a project came to fruition
Speaker 1: and we were told to go find a new home.
Speaker 1: The market for what we needed has been very tough.
Speaker 1: Our move date is during the first week of December,
Speaker 1: and we were getting anxious about finding the home we
Speaker 1: needed for our family. Two weeks before, we were supposed
Speaker 1: to go to the new city to look at houses
Speaker 1: with only a few mediocre options set to view. While
Speaker 1: we were there, a home came up on the market
Speaker 1: that looked perfect and checked out every box we needed.
Speaker 1: Upon a second look at the listing, we realized they
Speaker 1: would not allow cats in the home we are renting
Speaker 1: for the time being, and we had my dear sweet
Speaker 1: seventeen year old Iggy. The next Monday, I came downstairs
Speaker 1: and Iggy was lying in front of her food and
Speaker 1: water bowl, unable to get up. She has arthritis and
Speaker 1: we had just started her on a new medication, so
Speaker 1: I thought she was having a bad reaction to that.
Speaker 1: I kept her by my side all day hoping she
Speaker 1: would improve. That afternoon, I called the vet as she
Speaker 1: was not improving. She had been eating, drinking, and using
Speaker 1: the bathroom with my help, so I figured the arthritis
Speaker 1: was going to be the issue. I took her in
Speaker 1: and it wasn't the arthritis. I was devastated as the
Speaker 1: VET shared with me how irreversibly ill she was and
Speaker 1: how well she had hidden it from me. I hadn't
Speaker 1: planned on not coming home with her. She was suffering,
Speaker 1: and I was advised not to let her go another
Speaker 1: day in this manner. Knowing the suffering she had at
Speaker 1: the beginning of her life with her stroke, I promised
Speaker 1: her I'd never let her know that suffering again. That
Speaker 1: day I kept my word, and she went to sleep
Speaker 1: forever in my arms. Oh, I hate reading this, you're
Speaker 1: doing gry. The next day I told my husband to
Speaker 1: call the management property of the group listing the home
Speaker 1: that did not allow cats and see about scheduling of
Speaker 1: viewing for the upcoming weekend if it was still available.
Speaker 1: The home was going to be very hard for us
Speaker 1: to get for a variety of reasons, but it was
Speaker 1: exactly what we needed, so we had to try something.
Speaker 1: In my mind told me Iggy was looking out for us, because,
Speaker 1: against all odds and there were a lot, we got
Speaker 1: the house. A week after that, I received a very
Speaker 1: beautiful card from the VET with all the employees having
Speaker 1: written a very kind word about Iggy. I sat on
Speaker 1: our back deck and sobbed and I said aloud, I
Speaker 1: need a sign. I need a butterfly to know Iggy
Speaker 1: is okay. As I looked up, a butterfly flew across
Speaker 1: the yard. I know she was with me and this
Speaker 1: was all her doing. First of all, I am so
Speaker 1: very very sorry about Iggy's death. Believe me, Samantha and
Speaker 1: I both know how hard it is to lose a
Speaker 1: four legged family member with whom you are deeply, deeply connected.
Speaker 1: We get that, and we're sorry for you for this.
Speaker 1: I also believe that animals give us gifts in ways
Speaker 1: that we would never expect. You talk about being selfless.
Speaker 1: I believe that this was Iggy's gift to you of
Speaker 1: saying to you, I'll get out of the way so
Speaker 1: you guys can get on with things. I'm old and
Speaker 1: it's time for me to go. And I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly what Eggy did for you. And I know that's hard,
Speaker 1: and I know that's not what you would have wanted
Speaker 1: Iggy to do, but I believe that that is absolutely true,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a wonderful gift that you got.
Speaker 1: I also remind you that the seventeen or plus years
Speaker 1: that you lived with Iggy are beyond a blessing. My
Speaker 1: Merlin was eighteen and a half when I lost him,
Speaker 1: and as I am recording this podcast episode with you
Speaker 1: this morning, I have a portrait of him hanging on
Speaker 1: the wall next to me. So I understand the gift
Speaker 1: of that time. Don't discount the wonders of that time,
Speaker 1: Iggy's ability to have survived that stroke. You've had many blessings.
Speaker 2: And the gift that she gave to Iggy by taking
Speaker 2: care of her all those years.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so now, as hard as this is, now
Speaker 1: it's time to say, Okay, we don't ever for get,
Speaker 1: we don't ever stop grieving. We don't, but we also
Speaker 1: say there are pieces of our lives that must be
Speaker 1: moved on into and now you may not be ready
Speaker 1: for that yet. So in your new home you might
Speaker 1: want to create just a little space on a table
Speaker 1: somewhere that has like the card from the vat or
Speaker 1: perhaps Iggy's collar, just a little cluster of stuff photographs
Speaker 1: that say this is our memorial for Iggy at this
Speaker 1: point in time, and you may change it, take it
Speaker 1: down at some point, but it might be comforting to
Speaker 1: you right now.
Speaker 2: I love that suggestion okay. Our next one says, I've
Speaker 2: been listening to your podcast for several months now in
Speaker 2: an attempt to help understand some of the things that
Speaker 2: I have experienced. Thank you for all your insight. Let
Speaker 2: me start by saying that I have been a Christian
Speaker 2: since I was about twelve years old, so Samantha's balance
Speaker 2: of Catholic beliefs in the spiritual world are a comfort
Speaker 2: to me. Most of my family and friends believe that
Speaker 2: I'm playing with fire, but I can't help but feel
Speaker 2: that God is bigger and more loving than that. After
Speaker 2: my grandmother died a few years ago, I began to
Speaker 2: feel like she was sending me signs. I had never
Speaker 2: thought about, much less believed in signs before this. The
Speaker 2: first sign I received took my breath away. I was
Speaker 2: the executor of her will and had come in from
Speaker 2: out of town to take care of everything. I borrowed
Speaker 2: my mom's car to clear out the house. Finally, alone,
Speaker 2: I broke into tears and without thinking, spoke aloud to
Speaker 2: my nana, where are you? As a Christian? I knew
Speaker 2: where she should be, but I could not wrap my
Speaker 2: head around the fact that I had hung up the
Speaker 2: phone with an I love you, and suddenly and unexpectedly,
Speaker 2: she was gone the same evening. As soon as I
Speaker 2: asked the question, a song I had never heard came
Speaker 2: on called look Up Child by Lauren Dagill. It literally said,
Speaker 2: where are you now? When my world is crumbling down?
Speaker 2: Look Up Child, as if to say, I am with God,
Speaker 2: I am okay. These kinds of signs continued for years,
Speaker 2: paired with very realistic dreams of my grandmother, and then
Speaker 2: they drastically decreased. Years later, I told my mom I
Speaker 2: believe Nana had crossed over, and that the last sign
Speaker 2: I had was a dream where we were in a
Speaker 2: COVID type lockdown and we had formed a sort of
Speaker 2: isolation pod. My nan walked up and hugged me. I
Speaker 2: was so happy she'd be staying with us, But then
Speaker 2: she smiled and walked away from me with another older woman,
Speaker 2: and I assumed it was her sister. I told my
Speaker 2: mom maybe the dream was her coming to tell me
Speaker 2: she was crossing over or wouldn't be visiting as often,
Speaker 2: because these things dropped off. After that, my mom pointed
Speaker 2: out that her sister is alive, so it didn't make sense.
Speaker 2: I said, well, maybe it was her mom. My mom
Speaker 2: started to argue that point when my then two year
Speaker 2: old sat up from her coloring and suddenly said, Nanny Pooh.
Speaker 2: Nanny Pooh was my other grandmother. My grandmothers were in
Speaker 2: a way like sisters because they had known each other
Speaker 2: as children, gone through life in the same circles, Their
Speaker 2: children had married, and they shared grandchildren. When all her
Speaker 2: friends abandoned Nanny Pooh after her strokes, it was Nana
Speaker 2: who came to visit and brought dinner. We don't often
Speaker 2: talk about Nanny Pooh with the kids, but I speak
Speaker 2: of my Nana very often. I was shocked that my
Speaker 2: child had said this name. I asked her again what
Speaker 2: she had said, and she repeated it. I got chills.
Speaker 2: It made so much sense that if Nana crossed, my
Speaker 2: other graymother would accompany her. After telling me goodbye, My
Speaker 2: intuition has really begun to open up again, often with
Speaker 2: more dream visits than even a dream in which I
Speaker 2: learned my husband's family member would soon pass completely unexpectedly.
Speaker 2: A week later, his uncle did pass. I have seen
Speaker 2: a medium, bought some tourou cards and acquired some crystals.
Speaker 2: The other night, I got the feeling someone had come
Speaker 2: into my room with three small kids. This happens often,
Speaker 2: but I suppose this felt slightly different. I sat straight
Speaker 2: up at the same time, saying hello. Before I had
Speaker 2: finished the words, I saw a man in a gray
Speaker 2: blue scalish color, about six feet tall, slender and young.
Speaker 2: I did not recognize him. He was looking into the
Speaker 2: mirror across my room. Upon hearing my voice, he immediately
Speaker 2: turned to me, looked utterly, startled, and turned to run,
Speaker 2: but after only a few feet of movement, he vanished
Speaker 2: into thin air before my eyes. My heart was pounding
Speaker 2: because waking to an unknown, ghostly man in my room
Speaker 2: no thank you, But oddly I did not feel threatened.
Speaker 2: I've had many waking dreams throughout my life, though this
Speaker 2: was the first, so I choked it up to a
Speaker 2: dream and went back to sleep. It wasn't till the
Speaker 2: next day that I wondered, what if it was more
Speaker 2: than a dream? But if that wasn't a dream, what
Speaker 2: terrifies me is that would mean some of my past
Speaker 2: waking dreams were not in fact waking dreams, and some
Speaker 2: of those were threatening. To avoid another long story, during
Speaker 2: a period of my life, I woke to see shadow
Speaker 2: people often, and not the kind justin the periphery. I
Speaker 2: saw them head on, and they moved toward me or
Speaker 2: hovered over me. They were menacing. It was not merely dreaming,
Speaker 2: because I would get up and run once, ending up
Speaker 2: outside my apartment before it disappeared. I always put them
Speaker 2: down as a manifestation of my anxiety, my mind asleep
Speaker 2: while my body was awake. But now I wonder I
Speaker 2: have told my guides and angels, no thank you to
Speaker 2: any of these nightly visitors, unless it's a loved one
Speaker 2: or angel. I guess my fears that traditional Christian belief
Speaker 2: holds that any visits from the dead are not our
Speaker 2: loved ones but demons in disguise. So I share my
Speaker 2: story in case you want to share, but also to
Speaker 2: hear what you make of it, and specifically, how do
Speaker 2: I reconcile all of this with my Christian beliefs and
Speaker 2: the ideas in the Bible that mediumship and divination tools
Speaker 2: are evil. Wow. Great, there's a lot there deb right right.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: First, I would say that I love her stories of
Speaker 2: her grandmother reaching out to her through dreams, through signs,
Speaker 2: through song. I appreciate the fact that her daughter also wrecked,
Speaker 2: recognized who the other woman was, and the last dream
Speaker 2: of visitation. All of that is so significant for our
Speaker 2: loved ones in heaven to be able to communicate with
Speaker 2: us in those ways so that they can let us
Speaker 2: know they're okay. And typically those types of signs and
Speaker 2: dream experiences do dissipate the longer they are on the
Speaker 2: other side, and I think that's because they're allowed to
Speaker 2: come to us in that way really just to help
Speaker 2: us with our grief. And once they know that we're
Speaker 2: okay with the grief, like you said before, deb it
Speaker 2: never goes away. We just learn to carry it better.
Speaker 2: And once our loved ones have figured out that we're
Speaker 2: carrying the grief and we're going to be okay, I
Speaker 2: don't feel that they're allowed to keep coming back and
Speaker 2: giving us signs like that because it might inhibit the
Speaker 2: progress of our grief. So to me, that's often why
Speaker 2: you'll have a bunch of signs or dream visitations from
Speaker 2: loved ones and their early years after they pass, and
Speaker 2: then it'll taper off. Now onto her nightly visitor, I
Speaker 2: think it's fascinating that she saw him in her room
Speaker 2: and he was just as startled by her as she
Speaker 2: was by him. I had that experience once in my
Speaker 2: life when I was in middle school, and I never
Speaker 2: forgot it. So I understand that sometimes that can be
Speaker 2: a visitor. Sometimes I wonder if it's just different time
Speaker 2: dimensions bumping into each other. I mean, we don't know
Speaker 2: our view and understanding of quantum physics is just being scratched.
Speaker 2: We're still learning so much about how time and dimension
Speaker 2: and travel between those times works. But it could be
Speaker 2: that the shadow people part of her story. I think
Speaker 2: that's twofold. I think, yes, a lot of shadow people
Speaker 2: that we see are manifestations of our anxiety, but it
Speaker 2: sounds like what she experienced was a lot more intense.
Speaker 2: And I remember in the early years of the show,
Speaker 2: dev I used to always say to people, when you
Speaker 2: start to wake up to your intuition, the negative side
Speaker 2: will try to scare you back into the normal day
Speaker 2: to day of life so that you don't keep exploring
Speaker 2: the true gifts and miracles that await inside your heart
Speaker 2: with your intuition. And so I think what was happening
Speaker 2: here is clearly this listener is a gifted medium and intuitive,
Speaker 2: and I think when she was seeing those shadow people.
Speaker 2: It was at a time when they were trying to
Speaker 2: use her faith and belief system to scare her back
Speaker 2: almost into submission, you know, like just sit down in
Speaker 2: your house and get up and go to work and
Speaker 2: come home and take care of the kids, and don't
Speaker 2: look for any deeper meaning that's going to give your
Speaker 2: life shape and purpose and deeper depth. So I think
Speaker 2: that's what that is. In terms of reconciling this with
Speaker 2: Christian beliefs. I mean, I could do I don't know
Speaker 2: five shows on this because it's so nuanced and involved,
Speaker 2: but I do think it's important. If we're going to
Speaker 2: cherry pick certain things from the Bible, then we have
Speaker 2: to cherry pick all things from the Bible, right, which
Speaker 2: means we'd have to go back to stoning adulterers, we'd
Speaker 2: have to go back to slavery, we would have to
Speaker 2: go back to not crossing wool fibers on our clothes.
Speaker 2: We'd have to go back to making men have a beard.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the rules as they
Speaker 2: are outlined in the Bible, there's a lot more rules
Speaker 2: about our day to day living, our crime and punishment
Speaker 2: than just mediumship and divination. Tools are evil, So what
Speaker 2: are you going to cherry pick? And who gets to say?
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that deb You know.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Samantha. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: own a televisions, so I never watched The West Wing
Speaker 1: when it was on television, but I've become kind of
Speaker 1: addicted to episodes of it on YouTube, and I love
Speaker 1: the one where the President has a conversation with someone
Speaker 1: who has come to the White House where he starts
Speaker 1: rattling off the verses that you've just mentioned, and he
Speaker 1: does it in a very sarcastic way. You know, my
Speaker 1: mother is planting two different crops next to each other
Speaker 1: in her backyard. Should eye stoner to death? Or can
Speaker 1: I call the police to do that? And that's exactly
Speaker 1: what I really invite folks to do, is to figure
Speaker 1: out and this listener in particular with this situation is
Speaker 1: yes there are and in fact, the Bible, from the
Speaker 1: Protestant Bible and the Catholic Bible have some differences on
Speaker 1: some of this, right, So the different ways the Bible
Speaker 1: does this, I would ask that And this has worked
Speaker 1: for me, I think, is that I have my relationship
Speaker 1: to the divine in a loving and wonderful way, and
Speaker 1: rather than saying, oh, this verse says this, But this
Speaker 1: verse says that, I don't go there with that cherry
Speaker 1: picking as you're describing.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. It doesn't make sense, does it.
Speaker 1: No, it does. One of the things you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to eat shellfish. Now can you imagine Dad with that shellfish?
Speaker 2: No? No, I can't either. And there's so many rules
Speaker 2: in there, it's almost a mind boggling if you see
Speaker 2: them list it all out. And why do we just
Speaker 2: pick the one or two to trash on people, you know,
Speaker 2: and on ourselves and on ourselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so don't do that to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you enjoy reading the Bible, I think you
Speaker 2: have to take it as a whole, and as in
Speaker 2: some of the stories as allegory. And you know, as
Speaker 2: a historian, we always have to read whatever primary source
Speaker 2: we're looking at. We have to read it through our
Speaker 2: twenty first century goggles. But then we have to take
Speaker 2: those glasses off and look at it in terms of
Speaker 2: the time in which it was written. And so that's
Speaker 2: what I mean by it being very very nuanced.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I don't remember Leviticus, Stereonomy, Exodus. It says
Speaker 1: you can't eat beef and drink milk at the same time.
Speaker 1: That's not okay, Well, then that's still true in some
Speaker 1: sects of Judaism. But the reason for that that it
Speaker 1: was done back then was that there was a dietary
Speaker 1: danger to doing that with the food and the milk,
Speaker 1: So there was some common sense reason to it four
Speaker 1: thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And how many accounts in the Bible are
Speaker 2: there of divination and dream interpretation. I mean, where would
Speaker 2: we be without Joseph or David exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's even in the Book of Exodus. There's a
Speaker 2: section in there where Moses says to his brother Aaron
Speaker 2: to cast lots.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that Aaron ward in a breastplate and
Speaker 2: he had these stones. I think Moses said to Aaron,
Speaker 2: so that they'll always be over your heart and that
Speaker 2: you will bear the means of making decisions for the
Speaker 2: Israelites with these stones casting of stones. So there's so
Speaker 2: many examples of people using divination tools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are in the Bible.
Speaker 2: So I hope that answers your question a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, probably more than she wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, let's move on. Let's take our last
Speaker 2: quick break and we'll be right back. Welcome back, deb
Speaker 2: Do you want to share our next one with us?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? This person writes, my grandfather was like a father
Speaker 1: to be. I lived with he and my nan for
Speaker 1: four years after I was born. They loved my sons
Speaker 1: and my husband. Shortly after my pop died, I had
Speaker 1: a dream where there was a large crowd of family
Speaker 1: members in their living room. Pop was there, wearing the
Speaker 1: suit he was buried in with his Royal Navy medals.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see him, but no one else
Speaker 1: knew he was there. He told me to tell everyone
Speaker 1: not to worry that he was okay. About a week later,
Speaker 1: I went to pick up my grandmother to take her
Speaker 1: for groceries. As I was walking under the car port,
Speaker 1: I heard a voice. It said, Nissi, Nissi. This was
Speaker 1: his nickname for me. I stopped dead in my tracks
Speaker 1: and looked around. There was no one in sight. I
Speaker 1: walked to his little hobby shed where he liked to
Speaker 1: picket things. I couldn't see anyone, but I felt his presence.
Speaker 1: I like to think he was visiting me. My nan
Speaker 1: has since passed, and they both come to my dreams.
Speaker 1: It brings me peace. What a gift that your grandparents
Speaker 1: have given you. That is just lovely. Don't discount the
Speaker 1: voice coming to you calling your name. And as Samantha
Speaker 1: said earlier, that may not last forever, because I know
Speaker 1: we have perspectives on that, Samantha, but they get busy
Speaker 1: over there. They have jobs to do, they're busy, They're
Speaker 1: just not sitting around playing harps. So I think it's
Speaker 1: lovely that your grandparents came to say that your grandfather
Speaker 1: came to say hello, and that you were able to
Speaker 1: realize that that was him.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's another reminder that they're missing us as
Speaker 2: much as we're missing them, and they want to reach
Speaker 2: out to us as much as we want to reach
Speaker 2: out to them. And so another to piggyback on your
Speaker 2: comment of don't discount it, think about it. She's going
Speaker 2: to her grandmother's house to take her grocery shopping and
Speaker 2: she hears her grandfather's voice saying, Nissi, NISSI. I think
Speaker 2: that was him reaching out to her to say thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for looking after my love. And
Speaker 2: absolutely I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I do too.
Speaker 2: Okay, our next one says, I have a question regarding ladybugs.
Speaker 2: My fiance and I liked wilderness hike, where we go
Speaker 2: into the woods with just our backpacks for three to
Speaker 2: five days at a time. We hadn't hiked for over
Speaker 2: two years and decided to do it this past weekend.
Speaker 2: Three days before the hike, I had a ladybug either
Speaker 2: land on me or my car each day. One of
Speaker 2: those days, the ladybug wouldn't leave the car, even with
Speaker 2: the open windows, no matter what I did. One time,
Speaker 2: as I was driving, I looked at it and said,
Speaker 2: I see you. You're my sign, and it immediately fluttered away.
Speaker 2: After we completed the hike, which was the hardest but
Speaker 2: also the most rewarding thing we've done in our lives.
Speaker 2: As we came back to our car, it was covered
Speaker 2: with hundreds of ladybugs. I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 2: They were everywhere, windshields, inside of trims. We brought a
Speaker 2: lot back with us to our town, which is two
Speaker 2: hours away. The ladybugs got inside the car and would
Speaker 2: not leave the day after the hike, I cried tears
Speaker 2: of deep joy and gratitude all day inside my car.
Speaker 2: That hike touched something inside me on a soul level.
Speaker 2: During a stoplight, I thought to myself, maybe my soul
Speaker 2: belongs in the woods, after which about ten ladybugs took
Speaker 2: flight at the same time from somewhere under the car.
Speaker 2: I took that as another sign. It's now the second
Speaker 2: day after our hike, and there are no ladybugs to
Speaker 2: be seen anywhere. They are gone. What could all of
Speaker 2: this mean? Well, first of all, ladybugs mean a lot
Speaker 2: of different things. In general, they mean luck that something
Speaker 2: good and positive is heading your way. But I always
Speaker 2: associate ladybugs with Mother Mary because the whole story of
Speaker 2: why they're called ladybugs is a town I believe it
Speaker 2: was in Italy. Their crops were infested with a parasite
Speaker 2: that was ruining their crops, and they were looking at
Speaker 2: a winter of starvation, and so the whole town came
Speaker 2: together and prayed to Mother Mary for help. And as
Speaker 2: the story goes, the next day their crops were covered
Speaker 2: with hundreds of these red and black bugs that ate
Speaker 2: the parasites and then saved the crops and saved the
Speaker 2: town from hunger that winter. And so after that they
Speaker 2: started calling these bugs ladybugs because their lady Mother Mary
Speaker 2: had answered their prayer by sending the ladybugs. I also
Speaker 2: think it's interesting that when she would say to the ladybug, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I see you, you're my sign, the ladybug would fly away.
Speaker 2: And then when she got the message in her soul
Speaker 2: that she belongs in the woods, that that's where her
Speaker 2: happy place is, ten ladybugs flew away. And then when
Speaker 2: she got home and was fully digesting all of the
Speaker 2: lessons she learned on this treacherous and beautiful and wonderful
Speaker 2: and hard hike, the ladybugs went away. I think sometimes
Speaker 2: when we get a sign, it will kind of stay
Speaker 2: around us or keep coming again and again until we
Speaker 2: get the message that that sign is trying to bring us.
Speaker 2: And it looks like you received the sign, which is
Speaker 2: a great.
Speaker 1: Thing, Absolutely it does. I don't think I really have
Speaker 1: anything to add to that, Samantha, other than a suggestion
Speaker 1: to other listeners to pay attention to consistency and repetition
Speaker 1: in signs rather than just you know, I saw a
Speaker 1: blue jayfly by, Well, did you see a blue jay
Speaker 1: fly by doing something weird? Did you see ten blue jays?
Speaker 1: You know? So the same is true with this so
Speaker 1: great a great story. Thank you for sharing that yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. Okay, When I was around seven, I
Speaker 1: was in a church rehearsing a play for a summer camp.
Speaker 1: The church has two hallways to span either sides of
Speaker 1: the pews, and the hallways are lined with thin wooden
Speaker 1: slats instead of walls. I was waiting alone in a
Speaker 1: hallway for my queue to go on stage, which is
Speaker 1: where the altar was. Everyone else in the church was
Speaker 1: either on stage or sitting in the pews at that moment.
Speaker 1: As I stood there, I looked across the church towards
Speaker 1: the other hallway. Through the slats, I saw a tall,
Speaker 1: cloaked figure. It was completely black, with a white oval
Speaker 1: where a face should be and no facial features, but
Speaker 1: I could feel it staring intently at me. I was
Speaker 1: horrified and frozen in place as I watched it slowly
Speaker 1: turned in the direction of the altar, and then got
Speaker 1: on its knee and bowed three times. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what happened next, but I do know that I
Speaker 1: refused to re enter the church after the incident. The
Speaker 1: summer camp even had to arrange for the priest to
Speaker 1: give me a tour of the church to assure me
Speaker 1: that no ghost resided there, it didn't do much to
Speaker 1: alleviate my fears. I forgot about the incident until I
Speaker 1: was an adult. When I revisited this church. Those hallways
Speaker 1: have a very unsettling energy that still bothers me. I
Speaker 1: recently told the story to some one and they were
Speaker 1: convinced that the figure was a d word, as deb says,
Speaker 1: and the three bowls towards the altar were meant as mockery.
Speaker 1: I do know that I felt absolutely no loving energy
Speaker 1: from the figure, and it filled me with intense dread.
Speaker 1: I still worry sometimes that I may see it again.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a figure like this with
Speaker 1: no face? Is it possible that something unholy or so
Speaker 1: negative could reside in a holy place? Do you recommend
Speaker 1: any cleansing or psychic protection. I'd love to hear your thoughts,
Speaker 1: as I have been intrigued about this for so long.
Speaker 1: Were hearing on with another no face thing, Samantha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, it really.
Speaker 1: Is, And again I think it's because we don't always
Speaker 1: necessarily need a face. I have been in Azilian churches
Speaker 1: in my life, and some of them did not feel
Speaker 1: like home to me. Some of them were not comfortable,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that I've ever been in a
Speaker 1: church as she's describing, and particularly as a seven year
Speaker 1: old child, where I felt evil. I cannot imagine that
Speaker 1: there would be a D word, as she says, in
Speaker 1: this space. But I do think that often when we
Speaker 1: are stressed, and if I'm remembering this correctly, you were
Speaker 1: rehearsing for a play, so you were getting ready to
Speaker 1: go on stage here in a little bit. So our
Speaker 1: minds to really peculiar things to us to help us
Speaker 1: get through stressful situations. I'm not denying that you didn't
Speaker 1: see the figure, but I'm wondering if the figure that
Speaker 1: your anxiety took that form. I guess it's the best
Speaker 1: way for me to know how to say it is
Speaker 1: your anxiety took that form through the mystery of looking
Speaker 1: through those slats, and that's what frightened you. I don't
Speaker 1: have any vision or sense that this was in any
Speaker 1: way some kind of D word who was mocking anything
Speaker 1: and bowing on the altar. I just didn't feel right
Speaker 1: to me. And that's the best I can do with
Speaker 1: my intuition to tell you that.
Speaker 2: Isn't the symbol of theater to white masks.
Speaker 1: A black mask and a white mask.
Speaker 2: A black mask and a white mask. I wonder if
Speaker 2: it was almost like a hope for being saying you're
Speaker 2: going to do fine in this play.
Speaker 1: That's a very good possibility. I mean, that might have
Speaker 1: been the case, and certainly a seven year old child
Speaker 1: might not have recognized that symbology.
Speaker 2: Right, and I would have been terrified too.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree. I'm not saying I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: scared about whatever I was seeing there. But of course,
Speaker 1: having done a Zilian plays in my life, I'm always
Speaker 1: a lot more worried about learning my lines and saying
Speaker 1: them right than I am anything going on backstage. And
Speaker 1: I have worked in a haunted theater for years, but
Speaker 1: I never felt threatened in any way in the theater,
Speaker 1: or certainly never in any church. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: But the church needs any cleansing for this reason. I
Speaker 1: don't know that you do either now, all these years later,
Speaker 1: because the way you describe it, it sounds like it was
Speaker 1: a one time event when you were a child, and
Speaker 1: those events are important. They color how we go through
Speaker 1: the rest of our lives thinking about the metaphysical world.
Speaker 1: I would suggest to you, and you're not let it
Speaker 1: have that power.
Speaker 2: Well said, And you know, this reminds me of I've
Speaker 2: talked about. One of my favorite TV shows is called Evil.
Speaker 2: Can check it out on Netflix or Paramount.
Speaker 1: I won't do that, but go on.
Speaker 2: It's oh good dab. But anyway, there's a scene from
Speaker 2: one of the last episodes and one of the cathedrals
Speaker 2: has to be sold, and so the priest has to
Speaker 2: go in and de sanctify it. And one of the
Speaker 2: characters is a nun who can see the d words stuff. Right,
Speaker 2: She's one of the only people on the show who
Speaker 2: can see it, because it prefers to remain invisible and
Speaker 2: behind the scenes and doing its dastardly work unknowingly. But
Speaker 2: she can see them. And as she's walking behind the
Speaker 2: priest as he's desanctifying this church so that it can
Speaker 2: be sold and destroyed and rebuilt and high rise apartments
Speaker 2: and whatnot, she sees all these dark shadow things come
Speaker 2: flying and whooping into the church because the priest has
Speaker 2: taken away the blessing. And it's such a powerful visualization
Speaker 2: of what we can do when we do choose to
Speaker 2: pray for a blessing for protection, for the shield of light,
Speaker 2: and so if anything, I would suggest to this reader
Speaker 2: that you can just visualize that church if you still
Speaker 2: feel that there's something evil in there, and just ask
Speaker 2: that it be protected and blessed and and shielded in light.
Speaker 2: But also do that with your own self and with
Speaker 2: this memory, so that, as Dev said, it doesn't have
Speaker 2: that hold of fear over you.
Speaker 1: Right, don't give it that power. You hold on to
Speaker 1: your own power.
Speaker 2: That's right, Amn, deb Can I get an amen?
Speaker 1: Amen? Less Aid?
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