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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Deb Bowie.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Samantha Fay.

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<v Speaker 1>We're so excited that you are with us this week

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<v Speaker 1>as we offer to you one of our very your

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<v Speaker 1>very favorite episodes. It's Ours two, our question and answer episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys have sent us some great questions and

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<v Speaker 1>stories and here we go. Samantha, you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>us started.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, I just want to say Deb

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<v Speaker 2>and I had the great pleasure of going to one

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<v Speaker 2>of our local book festivals and we got to meet

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<v Speaker 2>some of our listeners, which was such a huge, huge treat,

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple of them had said, been listening to

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<v Speaker 2>you forever. I think one lady said she just discovered

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<v Speaker 2>us this semester. Listen to me this fall, and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>and they all expressed that this is their favorite episode,

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<v Speaker 2>is listening to the Q and A. So just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to give a shout out to all our lovely friends

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<v Speaker 2>and listeners who came to see us and shared that.

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<v Speaker 2>And what did we say. We said, we agree those

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<v Speaker 2>are our favorite episodes too.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, Tip, and I have to tell you all it

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<v Speaker 1>was a little embarrassing. Yeah. One woman walked up and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, oh my god, you're Samantha and Damn and

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<v Speaker 1>we went, yeah, we all heard, and don't misunderstand that

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<v Speaker 1>folks were honored, but it was so little, like whoa

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<v Speaker 1>where did that come from? But it was really lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite a great time we had. We really enjoyed our

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<v Speaker 1>time meeting new folks and seeing so many of you

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<v Speaker 1>who know us and through the podcast, So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, our first question says, I'm a psychic medium. I've

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<v Speaker 2>had experiences for as long as I can remember, but

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time this past February, I saw my

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<v Speaker 2>wife's aura with my own eyes. She was having a

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<v Speaker 2>rough time and suddenly I saw it flash around her.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to say anything because she was sharing

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<v Speaker 2>something emotional, but later that night I asked her. All

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<v Speaker 2>travel to the spirit plane and was learning how to

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<v Speaker 2>see people's auras because it was easier to see us spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>They were so beautiful and complex, like layers of colors

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<v Speaker 2>with three bright balls of energy extending over people's heads.

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<v Speaker 2>I came back and saw my wife's aura. My body

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have one at that moment. I saw my dog's aura,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I flew up and saw our apartment even

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<v Speaker 2>had an aura. It was green. I went back to

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit plane and was practicing more. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>got a download of information or something, because suddenly I

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<v Speaker 2>had this intense fear of a mass extinction event on

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<v Speaker 2>the Earth. I was just filled with dread. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up atheist. I don't know anything about angels and

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't really think to call for them, but I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I called for help from an angel, and one appeared immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>He came to me as a sort of ball of

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<v Speaker 2>light with something spinning around it, and then appeared as

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<v Speaker 2>a classical depiction of an angel in a robe. He

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<v Speaker 2>was so large, like twenty feet tall, and something about

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<v Speaker 2>him was golden, but nothing was gold And he introduced

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<v Speaker 2>himself as Gabriel, which I looked up later and that

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<v Speaker 2>is apparently an archangel. So I said, I was deeply

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<v Speaker 2>afraid for some event to cause this unimaginable extinction, and

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<v Speaker 2>he just wordlessly filled me with this indescribable reassurance. Then

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<v Speaker 2>he put me into a potential future lifetime of mind

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<v Speaker 2>where this event could happen. I'll spare you a account

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<v Speaker 2>of it, because it's just a long description of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people's from my current life as different people

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<v Speaker 2>and some new but very loved people in this very

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<v Speaker 2>mundane setting. But it was filled with so much emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>But what was important was after I was pulled out

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<v Speaker 2>of the possible future lifetime and standing near the angel again,

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<v Speaker 2>I had my answer. All of this wisdom was just

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<v Speaker 2>shared to me at the deepest level. He said, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what happens big or small now or lifetimes from now,

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<v Speaker 2>we will all be with our loved ones, safe in

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<v Speaker 2>their arms, whether we're right here with them physically or

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<v Speaker 2>in spirit, none of us will be alone. And above all,

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<v Speaker 2>we are all deeply beloved, every one of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing will truly happen to us because we are spirit

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<v Speaker 2>and so deeply loved. The experience was also a personal

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<v Speaker 2>lesson to trust my gifts. The reason why I was

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<v Speaker 2>physically able to end that lifetime literally hugging every loved

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<v Speaker 2>one in my life was because I was psychic then

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<v Speaker 2>and listened and trusted my gifts. But that wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing he showed me. Immediately after, he gave me

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<v Speaker 2>a lesson about what I perceive as failure. I was

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<v Speaker 2>placed in this coffee shop and there was a box

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<v Speaker 2>of straws near the edge of the counter. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to fall, but I didn't do anything

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<v Speaker 2>to prevent it, and a woman came by and knocked

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<v Speaker 2>them down, and she broke down crying. I knelt down

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<v Speaker 2>to help her, and she explained that her baby had

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<v Speaker 2>just died, and while she cried, we connected and she

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<v Speaker 2>was able to heal a little from just the kindness

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<v Speaker 2>of a stranger. And then the scene reset. This time

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the box of straws and knew they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to fall, so I moved them from the edge

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't want anyone to somehow get hurt. The

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<v Speaker 2>woman walked by and didn't knock them over. Instead, she

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<v Speaker 2>was just sad and angry and grabbed her coffee and left.

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<v Speaker 2>And we never shared that moment. We just stayed isolated.

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<v Speaker 2>The lesson was about the beauty that comes from mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>What I view as a mistake or failure was actually

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<v Speaker 2>a profound moment of connection and vulnerability. Wow, that image

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<v Speaker 2>that the angel showed this listener, that's really profound. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that helps all of us who struggle and grapple

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<v Speaker 2>with perceived views of personal failure, because that is such

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<v Speaker 2>a great lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. They're a lot to unpack in this email,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole askal for rejection, Aura seeing thing

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<v Speaker 1>and the straws. I certainly hope that this listener is

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<v Speaker 1>keeping records and make writing down dates, because clearly there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work for this person to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>in a wonderful way.

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought of a home or an apartment as

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<v Speaker 2>having a collective aura, but it makes such perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You've never seen your cars, Aura.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've never seen my cars, Aura.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a nerd around it, but not an aura.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you name your cars.

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<v Speaker 2>SyES, I do name all of my cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you give them a name, they have a

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<v Speaker 1>vibration that you've created that might help you connect to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it makes perfect sense, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>But an apartment building is different because that's the collective

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<v Speaker 2>energy of everyone living there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's true. But if you were to zoom in

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of telescope in on your windows, you might

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<v Speaker 1>see something specific to you. True, just something to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot to think about in that email.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for sharing that with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Okay. Our next one says, I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 1>of your show and wanted to share a synchronicity with you.

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<v Speaker 1>About a week ago, Oh no, I have to pronounce

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<v Speaker 1>these words. About a week ago, I purchased a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of the non Hamadi text Perfect thank you. I have

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<v Speaker 1>been a practicing pagan for many years just received crafting

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<v Speaker 1>the Wheel of the Year in the Male Dead love it,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you, thank you. But I have recently

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<v Speaker 1>felt called to tune into the teachings of Jesus, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this would be an interesting thread to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, a friend of mine sent a video

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<v Speaker 1>that references these documents, and I commented to her that

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<v Speaker 1>this was such a lovely coincidence. Within a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days later, you posted your episode on gnosticism, and my

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<v Speaker 1>mind was truly blown. Clearly, there is a power beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that is compelling me, and I had so many others

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<v Speaker 1>to gain awareness of these teachings. All that said, please

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<v Speaker 1>continue to unravel this for us, and we're happy to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. And I think this email must have been

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<v Speaker 1>written before we aired the episode that was a follow

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<v Speaker 1>up to the Gnosticism episode about the Couthers. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to address a couple of things that this listener says

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<v Speaker 1>in this email, because they're just great. You offerd me

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<v Speaker 1>talk probably your rolling your eyes now a zillion times

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<v Speaker 1>about connection and about how there's more common ground in

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<v Speaker 1>our world than there are differences when we look for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is one example of that. And I love

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that that this person was aware of the synchronicities,

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<v Speaker 1>realized that there was a message in this for him

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<v Speaker 1>or her, and that there's always something new to uncover.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of life as an onion, y'all. I think

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<v Speaker 1>of to Row that way particularly, but I think of

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<v Speaker 1>life as an onion. We just keep feeling layers and

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<v Speaker 1>learning and seeing connections and growing. And I love the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that there's not mutual exclusivity among belief systems and teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>but in fact common ground to be found and to

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<v Speaker 1>be embraced and to be honored. So thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>very much for this email.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well said, and another reminder that there is no

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<v Speaker 2>such thing as coincidence, that when we follow the synchronicities,

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<v Speaker 2>we can really see the language of the universe and

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<v Speaker 2>how our team is trying to talk to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Our next one says a couple of weeks ago, I

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<v Speaker 2>was needing a little love from my spiritual team. In

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<v Speaker 2>regard to my work, I'm an actor and this career

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<v Speaker 2>comes with serious highs, lows, and periods of self doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked for a feather because feathers remind me of

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<v Speaker 2>my angels, but I stipulated that it had to be

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<v Speaker 2>a special feather so I wouldn't question it. I live

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City, so I see pigeon feathers everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to suggest that pigeons aren't special. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think pigeons get the love and respect they

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<v Speaker 2>deserve from most humans, just that it would be easy

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<v Speaker 2>for me to dismiss seeing a pigeon feather on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground as not meant for me. I gave a time

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<v Speaker 2>frame and tried to forget about it, which is always

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest part for me. I did see many pigeon

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<v Speaker 2>feathers over the next few days. On the last day

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<v Speaker 2>of the time frame I had asked for, my partner

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<v Speaker 2>suggested we put on an episode of my favorite TV

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<v Speaker 2>show to lift my spirits. He likes this show but

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely turning it on for me. I've seen this

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<v Speaker 2>episode before multiple times, but this time I happen to

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<v Speaker 2>notice that in one scene, a character and his puppet

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<v Speaker 2>are wearing hats with you guessed it, red feathers in

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<v Speaker 2>the brim. This hilarious show is one that I often

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<v Speaker 2>point to as the kind of project I would want

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<v Speaker 2>to be involved in if I had my druthers. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was perfect. The show is Arrested Development. If you're curious. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I was curious, and I love that show. My team

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<v Speaker 2>knows me well, I will keep my hope alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a great example of how you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just needing a little pick me up and you

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<v Speaker 2>want to know, should I keep on acting? Should I

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<v Speaker 2>keep on with these auditions? Show me a red feather?

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<v Speaker 1>And sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Could her spiritual team have dropped a red feather in

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<v Speaker 2>her path from someone walking in front of her coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of another audition with a red feather? Boa, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they could have probably made that happen, But no, they

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it really does. And you know she didn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>other than a pigeon. But the universe and her guides

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<v Speaker 1>gave her a bright red feather that she really couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>cool actually, if you think about it all right. Our

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<v Speaker 1>although like many I've had experiences since I was little.

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<v Speaker 1>The emphasis of meditation on your podcast test has inspired

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<v Speaker 1>my third eye. Am still figuring it out. They are

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<v Speaker 1>usually faces. Most recently, I saw the face of an

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<v Speaker 1>In the moment, my half dreamed state told me she

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<v Speaker 1>was a bee keeper. As I woke up, I heard

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this experience holds significance, but I have no

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<v Speaker 1>the dark eyes of the face, but I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was just my anxiety. Could it be a spirit guide

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<v Speaker 1>or someone else? What could the bee keeper and the

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<v Speaker 1>bee be a symbol of I'd love your thoughts. I

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<v Speaker 1>am grateful to have a place to ask this question.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, so Samantha, I could do a whole episode

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I put it in your Little inbox because

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you know a lot about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, a lot of stuff that is going through my head.

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<v Speaker 1>The scientific name for bees generically is melissa, and it

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<v Speaker 1>comes from a Greek legend. So I would recommend that

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<v Speaker 1>the listener go dig through the notion of the melissa

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<v Speaker 1>plural melissa in Greek mythology. I would also invite you

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<v Speaker 1>to think about what bees do. Without the bees, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no us. I'm done. That's the end, that is

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<v Speaker 1>all there is to it. If we don't have bees,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have a planet. So they are a huge,

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<v Speaker 1>hugely important manipulator basically of the planet. We need them desperately.

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<v Speaker 1>They do all sorts of wonderful things. They teach us

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<v Speaker 1>also about relationship and family, and about space and parameters

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<v Speaker 1>and guidelines in our lives. Bees work within certain geographic

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<v Speaker 1>very hard. It takes I don't even know the right numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even tear. But it's thousands of bees and

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<v Speaker 1>time to create a tea spoon of honey. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a whole big thing. So take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>bees in the scientific and just the logical ways in

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<v Speaker 1>which bees work. They also are deeply loyal to each other,

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<v Speaker 1>to their queen, to the person that the bee, person

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<v Speaker 1>that they most respect. There is this wonderful tradition called

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<v Speaker 1>telling the bees. And if you're not familiar with the

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<v Speaker 1>story behind that sentence, it's an absolutely beautiful one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the notion that when we suffer loss, when someone dies,

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<v Speaker 1>when the queen of the hive herself dies, everybody needs

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<v Speaker 1>to have that information, and everybody needs an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>feel whatever they're feeling about the situation. So we tell

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<v Speaker 1>the bees. And one of the things I'm most recommend

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<v Speaker 1>you do out of all this stuff I'm rattling off

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<v Speaker 1>here is I invite you to read. The movie is great,

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<v Speaker 1>but read the book The Secret Life of Bees by

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<v Speaker 1>Sue monk Kid. Sue writes about a family of beekeepers

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<v Speaker 1>and the gifts that this family of women do to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of their community, their neighborhood, and basically an

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<v Speaker 1>orphaned little girl, and they are all deeply dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Madonna, and she too has all these connections

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<v Speaker 1>to the bees. But I hope what I've just done

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<v Speaker 1>is given you enough to give you a starting point

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<v Speaker 1>to look at bees from a lot of different perspectives

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<v Speaker 1>to see what they mean to you. As I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading this email from you, the minute you said she

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<v Speaker 1>had netting over her face, I knew before I kept reading,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew I was seeing a beekeeper, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>would absolutely agree with you that is who the wise

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<v Speaker 1>old woman was. She was a beekeeper. But bees do

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of interesting things when they're in closed spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you can have a relationship with bees.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand the fear of, oh golly, I've got this

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<v Speaker 1>while I'm trying to drive down the highway and get

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<v Speaker 1>that my beds. You wouldn't have been the bee came

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<v Speaker 1>to give you a really important message. So when we

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<v Speaker 1>get this kind of significant nudge from universal energy, from nature,

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<v Speaker 1>from our dream state, from our meditation state, it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to pay attention to that information and to do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of research from really reputable sources to see which

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of that material and information from that symbol brings

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<v Speaker 1>to us right now in this moment, knowing that the

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<v Speaker 1>time may come when there will be more and more

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<v Speaker 1>and more layers to that information to unfold.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, said dev All I can add to that is

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<v Speaker 2>there is a crystal that our listener might want to

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<v Speaker 2>check out called Bumblebee Jasper.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. Absolutely, that's a great thought. Good thought, talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About layers of an onion. I mean, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>is her guide's name Melissa or a bee keeper or both.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many fun rabbit holes she can go down

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. So you may be right about that, But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking in term of the right the Yeah, the meaning

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<v Speaker 1>of the word melissa from mythology and from the scientific

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<v Speaker 1>name for bees. Oh thanks, sed all came off the

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<v Speaker 1>top of my head. I hope it was all right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was more than all right. Okay, our next but

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to take us in a different direction, it says.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason for my email is that it was just

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<v Speaker 2>reminded of a man named Bob Lazar that shared some

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting information in the eighties regarding extraterrestrial transportation and beings.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look into his story, it seems he was

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<v Speaker 2>silenced and possibly even threatened to keep his mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 2>I believed him then, and I believe him now. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>currently watching an interview with him by Joe Rogan on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped to email this to you when he mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>gravity and how it may be manipulated to make time

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<v Speaker 2>travel and more possible. I've thought of mister Lazarre off

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<v Speaker 2>and on throughout my life. I've never wavered in my

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<v Speaker 2>belief in his experience, the same way I never doubted

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<v Speaker 2>the Memphis Three were innocent. After seeing the documentary on

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<v Speaker 2>HBO all those years ago, I just knew I could

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<v Speaker 2>feel it. What reignited my thoughts on mister Lazar is

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<v Speaker 2>that there's now a new documentary coming out November twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one regarding the scene topic. I'm very excited for this step.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Age of Disclosure, and you can render

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<v Speaker 2>by it, I believe, on Prime Video starting November twenty. First,

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<v Speaker 2>before I continue with the email, if anyone out there

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<v Speaker 2>is listening on the treadmiller or driving to work and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, what the heck are they talking to? Bob Blazar.

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<v Speaker 2>Biblezar came to George Knapp's attention in the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>George Napp interviewed him. He talked about his work on

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<v Speaker 2>a military base where he was working with a crashed

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<v Speaker 2>UFO and he was supposed to deconstruct this crest ship

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<v Speaker 2>so that they could figure out how it worked. He

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<v Speaker 2>actually would tell a lot of people. He told his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>he told his friends, and he said, oh yeah, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're actually test flying our creation. After we figured out

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<v Speaker 2>how to disassemble and put together the crashed spaceship, they

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<v Speaker 2>made their own and we test fly it every night

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<v Speaker 2>at this time, and he took all his friends and

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<v Speaker 2>his wife out to go watch it. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>he was caught and fired. And when on George Knapp's show,

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<v Speaker 2>his TV news show Out of Las Vegas, and George

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<v Speaker 2>Knapp did his due diligence as a journalist, bible Czar

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<v Speaker 2>had been wiped from history. He said he went to

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<v Speaker 2>these schools, no evidence that he went to these schools,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was crazy, and so people just did not

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<v Speaker 2>believe him for decades now. He did say that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things they were working on was a new

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<v Speaker 2>chemical thing that they had learned about from these off

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<v Speaker 2>planet beings, and he named the component, and no one

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<v Speaker 2>believed him. And then lo and behold them. We discovered

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<v Speaker 2>that in I think the early two thousands, and people

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<v Speaker 2>started going, wait a minute, bible Czar was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this in the eighties, Maybe he wasn't actually lying. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's just a very, very brief overview of his story.

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<v Speaker 2>Our email listener continues, Please understand that I am a regular,

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<v Speaker 2>average person. I do not have lofty ideas about aliens,

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<v Speaker 2>nor have I chased lights in the sky or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But I have always believed that there is

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<v Speaker 2>something else besides us out there. I've never been a

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<v Speaker 2>particularly religious person, and not a big fan of organized religion,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, I've always had an open

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<v Speaker 2>mind that there are other worldly things that we do

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<v Speaker 2>not know about or understand. I've always joked that I

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<v Speaker 2>hope we are not the most intelligent beings in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>If so, that's a very sad sentiment and even rather disheartening.

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<v Speaker 2>Humans have a lot of room for improvement. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>been open to the idea of ghost, angels and other

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<v Speaker 2>things that may be out there. I think it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to rule anything out if you don't know it. For

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<v Speaker 2>a fact, I understand faith and respect it. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like all of this stuff is interrelated. Trying hard to

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<v Speaker 2>be the light. Some days are easier than others. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for that email. I really really appreciate all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. I will check out his interview on Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Rogan's show, because I don't remember him talking about time travel,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's gonna be fun for me to research. And

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<v Speaker 2>I am really excited about that documentary that's coming out again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called The Age of Disclosure.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, this will be fascinating. I'm sure we will be

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<v Speaker 1>doing some kind of a show about that coming up eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope so.

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<v Speaker 1>And let me just come out on this person's last sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>trying hard to be the light. Some days are easier

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<v Speaker 1>than others. Amen. That is so true, and that's called

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<v Speaker 1>being human. And it's okay that some days are harder

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<v Speaker 1>than others as long as we keep trying. I just

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<v Speaker 1>need to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That, exactly. And it's like anything with light or a

424
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<v Speaker 2>candle metaphor, some days your candle's not gonna shine so bright,

425
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<v Speaker 2>and that's okay. That's when you reach out and connect

426
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<v Speaker 2>with others so that we can all help light each

427
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<v Speaker 2>other up.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are times you just lose the damn matches,

429
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<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, exactly, I know, but you keep trying

430
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<v Speaker 1>and you find some more, so you're okay, So thank

431
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<v Speaker 1>you for that. Okay. Our next one says a few

432
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<v Speaker 1>years ago I was having trouble sleeping, so I went

433
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<v Speaker 1>into the guest room so as not to disturb my husband.

434
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<v Speaker 1>I fell asleep, but woke up in the middle of

435
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<v Speaker 1>the night seeing a woman standing or floating in the

436
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<v Speaker 1>corner of the room. Without thinking, I said my cousin's name.

437
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<v Speaker 1>What was weird is I couldn't see the woman's face,

438
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<v Speaker 1>it was black or non visible, but I could see

439
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<v Speaker 1>her clothes. They were distinctly eighties, a color blocked sweater

440
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<v Speaker 1>vest and pegged khaki pants. Still, I knew, somehow, even

441
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<v Speaker 1>though I said my cousin's name, that this was my aunt,

442
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<v Speaker 1>who passed before I was born. When she was alive,

443
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<v Speaker 1>she looked a lot like my cousin. Then about a

444
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<v Speaker 1>month ago, something similar happened. I woke up from a

445
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<v Speaker 1>dream to see an overweight man standing by my bed.

446
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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see his face, but assumed in my half

447
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<v Speaker 1>of sleep state that it was my husband. When I

448
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<v Speaker 1>fully woke up, I realized it couldn't have been my husband,

449
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<v Speaker 1>who is very lean, and realized it must have been

450
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<v Speaker 1>my uncle, saying hi, he's the only person whose body

451
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<v Speaker 1>fits the description and passed about a year ago. Now

452
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<v Speaker 1>and again because I wasn't alarmed by the visit and

453
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<v Speaker 1>recognized the person somehow. I guess my question is, why

454
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<v Speaker 1>can't I see their faces even though I instinctually recognized

455
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<v Speaker 1>who is coming to say hi? It's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I would say about that. If you can

457
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<v Speaker 1>accept the premise that everything is energy, and that acts

458
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<v Speaker 1>of any sort take energy. Lifting the coffee cup sitting

459
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>next to me takes energy. So everything takes energy, and

460
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<v Speaker 1>we don't always think about how much unless we're I

461
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<v Speaker 1>don't know, you're about to run a marathon, then you

462
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<v Speaker 1>know you need some extra energy. But we don't give

463
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<v Speaker 1>that the physicality or the science of that a whole

464
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<v Speaker 1>lot of thought. But think about the notion that energy

465
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<v Speaker 1>transcends the earth plane, and that it exists beyond in

466
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<v Speaker 1>ways that we cannot even imagine. And of course there

467
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<v Speaker 1>are many theorists who believe, and I am one of

468
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<v Speaker 1>these people who believe that when we are across the veil,

469
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<v Speaker 1>in those other planes other than the earthplane, we are

470
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<v Speaker 1>pure energy. So think about how much energy it must

471
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<v Speaker 1>take to put on the mantle of physicality and come

472
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<v Speaker 1>back across the veil to present ourselves to someone we

473
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<v Speaker 1>love which has happened to you in both of theseus

474
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<v Speaker 1>And probably the seeing the face and you're not seeing

475
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<v Speaker 1>the face is one possibility that is running through my

476
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>head is you know, that's not really important anymore to

477
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<v Speaker 1>them from the other side. They don't think about the

478
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<v Speaker 1>need to look like they look when you knew them.

479
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<v Speaker 1>So that's one possibility. They're giving you enough information with

480
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<v Speaker 1>the clothing and the connections for you to figure out

481
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<v Speaker 1>who they are and the face doesn't much matter. And

482
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<v Speaker 1>another thing is that you may need to see them

483
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<v Speaker 1>without a face, so that your guides help you to

484
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<v Speaker 1>begin to trust what you're getting when these things happen,

485
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<v Speaker 1>other than what you need to physically see.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was thinking, too, is just focusing on

487
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<v Speaker 2>the intuitive feeling you get of who that is that's

488
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<v Speaker 2>rather than the physicality of it. Yes, I remember when

489
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<v Speaker 2>I would get up early in the morning and pack

490
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.160
<v Speaker 2>lunches in the kitchen. I could tell which of my

491
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<v Speaker 2>daughters was a week by how they walked great. You know,

492
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<v Speaker 2>if you know someone really well, you just know without

493
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<v Speaker 2>having to see them. And I think they're trying to

494
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<v Speaker 2>get this listener to trust that instinctual, intuitive feeling I agree. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, let's take a really quick break and we'll

496
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<v Speaker 2>be waight back to dive into more of these great questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, y'all, I'm so excited to offer so many opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>the Wheel of the Year at Yule Workshop. I'll discuss

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back. Okay. Our next question says my mom and

518
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<v Speaker 2>I had traveled with some of my friends to stay

519
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<v Speaker 2>with my during my spring break. I was excited for

520
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the visit. One night, my mom and aunt went out

521
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<v Speaker 2>for the evening and left us kids at the house.

522
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<v Speaker 2>I fell asleep breathing. Suddenly I awoke. I had fallen

523
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<v Speaker 2>asleep with the light on, and the light going off

524
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>had startled me awake. I sat up and shouted to

525
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<v Speaker 2>my friend in the room next door, and she came in.

526
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<v Speaker 2>I asked if she'd turned my light off, and she

527
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<v Speaker 2>said yes, because I was asleep. She left the room

528
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<v Speaker 2>and I laid back down. But a few minutes later,

529
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<v Speaker 2>I felt the air in the room shift, like an

530
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<v Speaker 2>electric feeling. My body was on edge, as if in

531
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<v Speaker 2>slow motion. I turned and looked toward the bedroom door.

532
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<v Speaker 2>To my disbelief, the bedroom door had moved from the

533
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<v Speaker 2>wall and there was someone behind the door made of shadow.

534
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<v Speaker 2>It looked like a girl my age, but I couldn't

535
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<v Speaker 2>see the details. She blended in with the shadow of

536
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<v Speaker 2>the dresser on the wall beside the door. Very quickly,

537
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.759
<v Speaker 2>she raised her arms up to the door, and the

538
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.839
<v Speaker 2>door swung forward and closed almost completely. I panicked, throwing

539
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<v Speaker 2>the covers over my head and thinking, please, God, make

540
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>them go away. When I felt brave enough to look again,

541
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<v Speaker 2>she was gone, but the door was still shut. I

542
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>screamed out for my friend next door again, and when

543
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>she pushed the door open and walked in, I asked

544
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<v Speaker 2>if she shut the door. She said no, and that

545
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<v Speaker 2>she was trying to get ready for bed herself, clearly

546
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<v Speaker 2>irritated with my outburst. In a rush, I told her

547
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<v Speaker 2>what I had seen, and she bolted from the room,

548
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.079
<v Speaker 2>saying I was freaking her out. Looking back, I don't

549
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<v Speaker 2>know how I fell asleep in there after that. I

550
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<v Speaker 2>never once doubted that it happened, because if I had

551
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<v Speaker 2>imagined her, how did the door move and nearly close? Well,

552
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you did imagine her. I think you

553
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<v Speaker 2>are either seeing a ghost or a shadow being, which

554
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<v Speaker 2>often does happen when we're in that twilight in between

555
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<v Speaker 2>worlds of sleep and awake. And I think you did

556
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<v Speaker 2>actually see that, don't you agree?

557
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<v Speaker 1>I do? And you know shadow people, that's what they

558
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 1>hang outs in doorways and in the house I used

559
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<v Speaker 1>to live in, and at a very stressful time in

560
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 1>my life, I have shadow people show up. And there

561
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<v Speaker 1>they were, out of the corner of my eye, in

562
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<v Speaker 1>the corner of the doorframes, in the doorways. And I

563
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<v Speaker 1>may have been you who taught me this, Samantha, that

564
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<v Speaker 1>if you say to them you gotta go, they gotta go.

565
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<v Speaker 1>So I would say to the shadow people, you are

566
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<v Speaker 1>not welcome here, you must leave, and they would go

567
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<v Speaker 1>away and be gone for some time, and then eventually

568
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:35.359
<v Speaker 1>later they somebody would come back, but they would leave

569
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<v Speaker 1>because I had said they had to. So I agreed

570
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<v Speaker 1>that she either potentially saw a ghost or she saw

571
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<v Speaker 1>some kind of energy that may have been in some

572
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<v Speaker 1>way connected, perhaps even to the house and not to her.

573
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I was thinking, is connected more towards

574
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<v Speaker 2>the house. Yeah, Oh, I think we can validate that

575
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<v Speaker 2>you definitely saw what she saw.

576
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<v Speaker 1>We no doubt you. Nope. Okay, here's the next one. Oh, dear, Okay,

577
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try not to cry with this one.

578
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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you all about my Iggy Ziggy

579
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<v Speaker 1>Stardust cat deb It made me think of you and

580
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<v Speaker 1>your beloved Merlin Iggy had been my baby since I

581
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<v Speaker 1>got her right out of college. She even endured a

582
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<v Speaker 1>stroke when they spayed her because she was not given

583
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<v Speaker 1>enough oxygen during surgery. At the time, she was in

584
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<v Speaker 1>a vegetative state. But with my parents' help, we rehabilitated her,

585
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<v Speaker 1>taught her to walk, eat, and use a litter box again.

586
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<v Speaker 1>She swept on my pillow by my head every night

587
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<v Speaker 1>until I moved in with my husband. Needless to say,

588
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<v Speaker 1>when he took her spot in the bed, he wasn't

589
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<v Speaker 1>ever her favorite person. I bet not. She made six

590
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<v Speaker 1>moves with me, loved our daughters and even a rambunctious

591
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<v Speaker 1>golden retriever when he entered our lives three years ago.

592
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<v Speaker 1>She ruled our home and she was amazing. She captured

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<v Speaker 1>the hearts of every one who met her, even if

594
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<v Speaker 1>they didn't like cats. She was the sweetest and always

595
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<v Speaker 1>will be my first baby. Now on to recent events.

596
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<v Speaker 1>My husband and I have been on a roller coaster

597
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<v Speaker 1>of moving from one city to another over the last

598
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<v Speaker 1>two years. Projects get pushed and it has been incredibly

599
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<v Speaker 1>stressful living in Limbo. Recently, a project came to fruition

600
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<v Speaker 1>and we were told to go find a new home.

601
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<v Speaker 1>The market for what we needed has been very tough.

602
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<v Speaker 1>Our move date is during the first week of December,

603
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<v Speaker 1>and we were getting anxious about finding the home we

604
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<v Speaker 1>needed for our family. Two weeks before, we were supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the new city to look at houses

606
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<v Speaker 1>with only a few mediocre options set to view. While

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<v Speaker 1>we were there, a home came up on the market

608
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<v Speaker 1>that looked perfect and checked out every box we needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon a second look at the listing, we realized they

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<v Speaker 1>would not allow cats in the home we are renting

611
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<v Speaker 1>for the time being, and we had my dear sweet

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old Iggy. The next Monday, I came downstairs

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<v Speaker 1>and Iggy was lying in front of her food and

614
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<v Speaker 1>water bowl, unable to get up. She has arthritis and

615
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<v Speaker 1>we had just started her on a new medication, so

616
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<v Speaker 1>I thought she was having a bad reaction to that.

617
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<v Speaker 1>I kept her by my side all day hoping she

618
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<v Speaker 1>would improve. That afternoon, I called the vet as she

619
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<v Speaker 1>was not improving. She had been eating, drinking, and using

620
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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom with my help, so I figured the arthritis

621
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<v Speaker 1>was going to be the issue. I took her in

622
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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't the arthritis. I was devastated as the

623
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<v Speaker 1>VET shared with me how irreversibly ill she was and

624
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<v Speaker 1>how well she had hidden it from me. I hadn't

625
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<v Speaker 1>planned on not coming home with her. She was suffering,

626
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<v Speaker 1>and I was advised not to let her go another

627
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<v Speaker 1>day in this manner. Knowing the suffering she had at

628
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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of her life with her stroke, I promised

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<v Speaker 1>her I'd never let her know that suffering again. That

630
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<v Speaker 1>day I kept my word, and she went to sleep

631
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>forever in my arms. Oh, I hate reading this, you're

632
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 1>doing gry. The next day I told my husband to

633
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>call the management property of the group listing the home

634
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>that did not allow cats and see about scheduling of

635
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>viewing for the upcoming weekend if it was still available.

636
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>The home was going to be very hard for us

637
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to get for a variety of reasons, but it was

638
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 1>exactly what we needed, so we had to try something.

639
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>In my mind told me Iggy was looking out for us, because,

640
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 1>against all odds and there were a lot, we got

641
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the house. A week after that, I received a very

642
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 1>beautiful card from the VET with all the employees having

643
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>written a very kind word about Iggy. I sat on

644
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>our back deck and sobbed and I said aloud, I

645
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 1>need a sign. I need a butterfly to know Iggy

646
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is okay. As I looked up, a butterfly flew across

647
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the yard. I know she was with me and this

648
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 1>was all her doing. First of all, I am so

649
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:24.719
<v Speaker 1>very very sorry about Iggy's death. Believe me, Samantha and

650
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 1>I both know how hard it is to lose a

651
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>four legged family member with whom you are deeply, deeply connected.

652
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>We get that, and we're sorry for you for this.

653
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I also believe that animals give us gifts in ways

654
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>that we would never expect. You talk about being selfless.

655
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 1>I believe that this was Iggy's gift to you of

656
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>saying to you, I'll get out of the way so

657
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 1>you guys can get on with things. I'm old and

658
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it's time for me to go. And I think that's

659
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>exactly what Eggy did for you. And I know that's hard,

660
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 1>and I know that's not what you would have wanted

661
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Iggy to do, but I believe that that is absolutely true,

662
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's a wonderful gift that you got.

663
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I also remind you that the seventeen or plus years

664
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 1>that you lived with Iggy are beyond a blessing. My

665
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Merlin was eighteen and a half when I lost him,

666
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and as I am recording this podcast episode with you

667
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>this morning, I have a portrait of him hanging on

668
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the wall next to me. So I understand the gift

669
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>of that time. Don't discount the wonders of that time,

670
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Iggy's ability to have survived that stroke. You've had many blessings.

671
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 2>And the gift that she gave to Iggy by taking

672
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 2>care of her all those years.

673
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and so now, as hard as this is, now

674
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 1>it's time to say, Okay, we don't ever for get,

675
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.199
<v Speaker 1>we don't ever stop grieving. We don't, but we also

676
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.239
<v Speaker 1>say there are pieces of our lives that must be

677
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>moved on into and now you may not be ready

678
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>for that yet. So in your new home you might

679
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 1>want to create just a little space on a table

680
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 1>somewhere that has like the card from the vat or

681
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:27.159
<v Speaker 1>perhaps Iggy's collar, just a little cluster of stuff photographs

682
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 1>that say this is our memorial for Iggy at this

683
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.159
<v Speaker 1>point in time, and you may change it, take it

684
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>down at some point, but it might be comforting to

685
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 1>you right now.

686
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I love that suggestion okay. Our next one says, I've

687
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.880
<v Speaker 2>been listening to your podcast for several months now in

688
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:48.360
<v Speaker 2>an attempt to help understand some of the things that

689
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I have experienced. Thank you for all your insight. Let

690
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>me start by saying that I have been a Christian

691
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.199
<v Speaker 2>since I was about twelve years old, so Samantha's balance

692
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of Catholic beliefs in the spiritual world are a comfort

693
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 2>to me. Most of my family and friends believe that

694
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm playing with fire, but I can't help but feel

695
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that God is bigger and more loving than that. After

696
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>my grandmother died a few years ago, I began to

697
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>feel like she was sending me signs. I had never

698
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>thought about, much less believed in signs before this. The

699
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 2>first sign I received took my breath away. I was

700
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the executor of her will and had come in from

701
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.119
<v Speaker 2>out of town to take care of everything. I borrowed

702
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 2>my mom's car to clear out the house. Finally, alone,

703
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I broke into tears and without thinking, spoke aloud to

704
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>my nana, where are you? As a Christian? I knew

705
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 2>where she should be, but I could not wrap my

706
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>head around the fact that I had hung up the

707
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 2>phone with an I love you, and suddenly and unexpectedly,

708
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.920
<v Speaker 2>she was gone the same evening. As soon as I

709
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 2>asked the question, a song I had never heard came

710
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 2>on called look Up Child by Lauren Dagill. It literally said,

711
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.840
<v Speaker 2>where are you now? When my world is crumbling down?

712
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Look Up Child, as if to say, I am with God,

713
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I am okay. These kinds of signs continued for years,

714
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>paired with very realistic dreams of my grandmother, and then

715
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.400
<v Speaker 2>they drastically decreased. Years later, I told my mom I

716
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.280
<v Speaker 2>believe Nana had crossed over, and that the last sign

717
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I had was a dream where we were in a

718
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 2>COVID type lockdown and we had formed a sort of

719
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>isolation pod. My nan walked up and hugged me. I

720
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 2>was so happy she'd be staying with us, But then

721
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.119
<v Speaker 2>she smiled and walked away from me with another older woman,

722
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and I assumed it was her sister. I told my

723
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>mom maybe the dream was her coming to tell me

724
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>she was crossing over or wouldn't be visiting as often,

725
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 2>because these things dropped off. After that, my mom pointed

726
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>out that her sister is alive, so it didn't make sense.

727
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, maybe it was her mom. My mom

728
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 2>started to argue that point when my then two year

729
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>old sat up from her coloring and suddenly said, Nanny Pooh.

730
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Nanny Pooh was my other grandmother. My grandmothers were in

731
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Speaker 2>a way like sisters because they had known each other

732
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.679
<v Speaker 2>as children, gone through life in the same circles, Their

733
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 2>children had married, and they shared grandchildren. When all her

734
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 2>friends abandoned Nanny Pooh after her strokes, it was Nana

735
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 2>who came to visit and brought dinner. We don't often

736
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>talk about Nanny Pooh with the kids, but I speak

737
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 2>of my Nana very often. I was shocked that my

738
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 2>child had said this name. I asked her again what

739
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.400
<v Speaker 2>she had said, and she repeated it. I got chills.

740
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 2>It made so much sense that if Nana crossed, my

741
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.280
<v Speaker 2>other graymother would accompany her. After telling me goodbye, My

742
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 2>intuition has really begun to open up again, often with

743
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>more dream visits than even a dream in which I

744
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 2>learned my husband's family member would soon pass completely unexpectedly.

745
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 2>A week later, his uncle did pass. I have seen

746
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a medium, bought some tourou cards and acquired some crystals.

747
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.760
<v Speaker 2>The other night, I got the feeling someone had come

748
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.760
<v Speaker 2>into my room with three small kids. This happens often,

749
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>but I suppose this felt slightly different. I sat straight

750
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 2>up at the same time, saying hello. Before I had

751
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 2>finished the words, I saw a man in a gray

752
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 2>blue scalish color, about six feet tall, slender and young.

753
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I did not recognize him. He was looking into the

754
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 2>mirror across my room. Upon hearing my voice, he immediately

755
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Speaker 2>turned to me, looked utterly, startled, and turned to run,

756
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.800
<v Speaker 2>but after only a few feet of movement, he vanished

757
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.400
<v Speaker 2>into thin air before my eyes. My heart was pounding

758
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>because waking to an unknown, ghostly man in my room

759
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 2>no thank you, But oddly I did not feel threatened.

760
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I've had many waking dreams throughout my life, though this

761
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 2>was the first, so I choked it up to a

762
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 2>dream and went back to sleep. It wasn't till the

763
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:43.960
<v Speaker 2>next day that I wondered, what if it was more

764
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>than a dream? But if that wasn't a dream, what

765
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>terrifies me is that would mean some of my past

766
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 2>waking dreams were not in fact waking dreams, and some

767
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 2>of those were threatening. To avoid another long story, during

768
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 2>a period of my life, I woke to see shadow

769
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 2>people often, and not the kind justin the periphery. I

770
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.400
<v Speaker 2>saw them head on, and they moved toward me or

771
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.559
<v Speaker 2>hovered over me. They were menacing. It was not merely dreaming,

772
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 2>because I would get up and run once, ending up

773
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 2>outside my apartment before it disappeared. I always put them

774
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.679
<v Speaker 2>down as a manifestation of my anxiety, my mind asleep

775
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.559
<v Speaker 2>while my body was awake. But now I wonder I

776
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>have told my guides and angels, no thank you to

777
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 2>any of these nightly visitors, unless it's a loved one

778
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.199
<v Speaker 2>or angel. I guess my fears that traditional Christian belief

779
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 2>holds that any visits from the dead are not our

780
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>loved ones but demons in disguise. So I share my

781
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.320
<v Speaker 2>story in case you want to share, but also to

782
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.840
<v Speaker 2>hear what you make of it, and specifically, how do

783
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I reconcile all of this with my Christian beliefs and

784
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the ideas in the Bible that mediumship and divination tools

785
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 2>are evil. Wow. Great, there's a lot there deb right right.

786
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Well.

787
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.800
<v Speaker 2>First, I would say that I love her stories of

788
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 2>her grandmother reaching out to her through dreams, through signs,

789
00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>through song. I appreciate the fact that her daughter also wrecked,

790
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>recognized who the other woman was, and the last dream

791
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 2>of visitation. All of that is so significant for our

792
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.280
<v Speaker 2>loved ones in heaven to be able to communicate with

793
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 2>us in those ways so that they can let us

794
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 2>know they're okay. And typically those types of signs and

795
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>dream experiences do dissipate the longer they are on the

796
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>other side, and I think that's because they're allowed to

797
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 2>come to us in that way really just to help

798
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.159
<v Speaker 2>us with our grief. And once they know that we're

799
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.800
<v Speaker 2>okay with the grief, like you said before, deb it

800
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 2>never goes away. We just learn to carry it better.

801
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 2>And once our loved ones have figured out that we're

802
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.599
<v Speaker 2>carrying the grief and we're going to be okay, I

803
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 2>don't feel that they're allowed to keep coming back and

804
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>giving us signs like that because it might inhibit the

805
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:55.519
<v Speaker 2>progress of our grief. So to me, that's often why

806
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 2>you'll have a bunch of signs or dream visitations from

807
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 2>loved ones and their early years after they pass, and

808
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:09.280
<v Speaker 2>then it'll taper off. Now onto her nightly visitor, I

809
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 2>think it's fascinating that she saw him in her room

810
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and he was just as startled by her as she

811
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 2>was by him. I had that experience once in my

812
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 2>life when I was in middle school, and I never

813
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 2>forgot it. So I understand that sometimes that can be

814
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 2>a visitor. Sometimes I wonder if it's just different time

815
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>dimensions bumping into each other. I mean, we don't know

816
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:36.800
<v Speaker 2>our view and understanding of quantum physics is just being scratched.

817
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>We're still learning so much about how time and dimension

818
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>and travel between those times works. But it could be

819
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that the shadow people part of her story. I think

820
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Speaker 2>that's twofold. I think, yes, a lot of shadow people

821
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that we see are manifestations of our anxiety, but it

822
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 2>sounds like what she experienced was a lot more intense.

823
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 2>And I remember in the early years of the show,

824
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.519
<v Speaker 2>dev I used to always say to people, when you

825
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 2>start to wake up to your intuition, the negative side

826
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.760
<v Speaker 2>will try to scare you back into the normal day

827
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.519
<v Speaker 2>to day of life so that you don't keep exploring

828
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the true gifts and miracles that await inside your heart

829
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.760
<v Speaker 2>with your intuition. And so I think what was happening

830
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>here is clearly this listener is a gifted medium and intuitive,

831
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and I think when she was seeing those shadow people.

832
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>It was at a time when they were trying to

833
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.360
<v Speaker 2>use her faith and belief system to scare her back

834
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 2>almost into submission, you know, like just sit down in

835
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>your house and get up and go to work and

836
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.320
<v Speaker 2>come home and take care of the kids, and don't

837
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 2>look for any deeper meaning that's going to give your

838
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.280
<v Speaker 2>life shape and purpose and deeper depth. So I think

839
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.599
<v Speaker 2>that's what that is. In terms of reconciling this with

840
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Christian beliefs. I mean, I could do I don't know

841
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.840
<v Speaker 2>five shows on this because it's so nuanced and involved,

842
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.159
<v Speaker 2>but I do think it's important. If we're going to

843
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:06.599
<v Speaker 2>cherry pick certain things from the Bible, then we have

844
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to cherry pick all things from the Bible, right, which

845
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>means we'd have to go back to stoning adulterers, we'd

846
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 2>have to go back to slavery, we would have to

847
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.800
<v Speaker 2>go back to not crossing wool fibers on our clothes.

848
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>We'd have to go back to making men have a beard.

849
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look at the rules as they

850
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.440
<v Speaker 2>are outlined in the Bible, there's a lot more rules

851
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 2>about our day to day living, our crime and punishment

852
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:39.079
<v Speaker 2>than just mediumship and divination. Tools are evil, So what

853
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 2>are you going to cherry pick? And who gets to say?

854
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Do you agree with that deb You know.

855
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you, Samantha. You know, I don't

856
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 1>own a televisions, so I never watched The West Wing

857
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 1>when it was on television, but I've become kind of

858
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 1>addicted to episodes of it on YouTube, and I love

859
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the one where the President has a conversation with someone

860
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 1>who has come to the White House where he starts

861
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>rattling off the verses that you've just mentioned, and he

862
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.159
<v Speaker 1>does it in a very sarcastic way. You know, my

863
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.880
<v Speaker 1>mother is planting two different crops next to each other

864
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.280
<v Speaker 1>in her backyard. Should eye stoner to death? Or can

865
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 1>I call the police to do that? And that's exactly

866
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 1>what I really invite folks to do, is to figure

867
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.079
<v Speaker 1>out and this listener in particular with this situation is

868
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.880
<v Speaker 1>yes there are and in fact, the Bible, from the

869
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Protestant Bible and the Catholic Bible have some differences on

870
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.400
<v Speaker 1>some of this, right, So the different ways the Bible

871
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:46.400
<v Speaker 1>does this, I would ask that And this has worked

872
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>for me, I think, is that I have my relationship

873
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to the divine in a loving and wonderful way, and

874
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than saying, oh, this verse says this, But this

875
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.639
<v Speaker 1>verse says that, I don't go there with that cherry

876
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 1>picking as you're describing.

877
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 2>No, it doesn't. It doesn't make sense, does it.

878
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.079
<v Speaker 1>No, it does. One of the things you're not supposed

879
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to eat shellfish. Now can you imagine Dad with that shellfish?

880
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:17.440
<v Speaker 2>No? No, I can't either. And there's so many rules

881
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.320
<v Speaker 2>in there, it's almost a mind boggling if you see

882
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.320
<v Speaker 2>them list it all out. And why do we just

883
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 2>pick the one or two to trash on people, you know,

884
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and on ourselves and on ourselves.

885
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so don't do that to yourself.

886
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you enjoy reading the Bible, I think you

887
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 2>have to take it as a whole, and as in

888
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.679
<v Speaker 2>some of the stories as allegory. And you know, as

889
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a historian, we always have to read whatever primary source

890
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 2>we're looking at. We have to read it through our

891
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty first century goggles. But then we have to take

892
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.599
<v Speaker 2>those glasses off and look at it in terms of

893
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>the time in which it was written. And so that's

894
00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 2>what I mean by it being very very nuanced.

895
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I don't remember Leviticus, Stereonomy, Exodus. It says

896
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 1>you can't eat beef and drink milk at the same time.

897
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>That's not okay, Well, then that's still true in some

898
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.280
<v Speaker 1>sects of Judaism. But the reason for that that it

899
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 1>was done back then was that there was a dietary

900
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 1>danger to doing that with the food and the milk,

901
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.920
<v Speaker 1>So there was some common sense reason to it four

902
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:29.760
<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago.

903
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And how many accounts in the Bible are

904
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:37.079
<v Speaker 2>there of divination and dream interpretation. I mean, where would

905
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 2>we be without Joseph or David exactly.

906
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

907
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.400
<v Speaker 2>And there's even in the Book of Exodus. There's a

908
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 2>section in there where Moses says to his brother Aaron

909
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:47.440
<v Speaker 2>to cast lots.

910
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

911
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that Aaron ward in a breastplate and

912
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.440
<v Speaker 2>he had these stones. I think Moses said to Aaron,

913
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>so that they'll always be over your heart and that

914
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 2>you will bear the means of making decisions for the

915
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Israelites with these stones casting of stones. So there's so

916
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:11.000
<v Speaker 2>many examples of people using divination tools.

917
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are in the Bible.

918
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.599
<v Speaker 2>So I hope that answers your question a little.

919
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Bit, probably more than she wanted.

920
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Well, let's move on. Let's take our last

921
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:29.679
<v Speaker 2>quick break and we'll be right back. Welcome back, deb

922
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to share our next one with us?

923
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? This person writes, my grandfather was like a father

924
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Speaker 1>to be. I lived with he and my nan for

925
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 1>four years after I was born. They loved my sons

926
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 1>and my husband. Shortly after my pop died, I had

927
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a dream where there was a large crowd of family

928
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>members in their living room. Pop was there, wearing the

929
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:59.119
<v Speaker 1>suit he was buried in with his Royal Navy medals.

930
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy to see him, but no one else

931
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 1>knew he was there. He told me to tell everyone

932
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.199
<v Speaker 1>not to worry that he was okay. About a week later,

933
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I went to pick up my grandmother to take her

934
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:14.679
<v Speaker 1>for groceries. As I was walking under the car port,

935
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I heard a voice. It said, Nissi, Nissi. This was

936
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 1>his nickname for me. I stopped dead in my tracks

937
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and looked around. There was no one in sight. I

938
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 1>walked to his little hobby shed where he liked to

939
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:33.840
<v Speaker 1>picket things. I couldn't see anyone, but I felt his presence.

940
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.760
<v Speaker 1>I like to think he was visiting me. My nan

941
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>has since passed, and they both come to my dreams.

942
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 1>It brings me peace. What a gift that your grandparents

943
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 1>have given you. That is just lovely. Don't discount the

944
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>voice coming to you calling your name. And as Samantha

945
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, that may not last forever, because I know

946
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 1>we have perspectives on that, Samantha, but they get busy

947
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 1>over there. They have jobs to do, they're busy, They're

948
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.079
<v Speaker 1>just not sitting around playing harps. So I think it's

949
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:12.320
<v Speaker 1>lovely that your grandparents came to say that your grandfather

950
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>came to say hello, and that you were able to

951
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 1>realize that that was him.

952
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's another reminder that they're missing us as

953
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.079
<v Speaker 2>much as we're missing them, and they want to reach

954
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.119
<v Speaker 2>out to us as much as we want to reach

955
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 2>out to them. And so another to piggyback on your

956
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.400
<v Speaker 2>comment of don't discount it, think about it. She's going

957
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to her grandmother's house to take her grocery shopping and

958
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.960
<v Speaker 2>she hears her grandfather's voice saying, Nissi, NISSI. I think

959
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.719
<v Speaker 2>that was him reaching out to her to say thank you,

960
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.119
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for looking after my love. And

961
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.039
<v Speaker 2>absolutely I think that's beautiful.

962
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I do too.

963
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, our next one says, I have a question regarding ladybugs.

964
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.440
<v Speaker 2>My fiance and I liked wilderness hike, where we go

965
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.559
<v Speaker 2>into the woods with just our backpacks for three to

966
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 2>five days at a time. We hadn't hiked for over

967
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:06.000
<v Speaker 2>two years and decided to do it this past weekend.

968
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Three days before the hike, I had a ladybug either

969
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.559
<v Speaker 2>land on me or my car each day. One of

970
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 2>those days, the ladybug wouldn't leave the car, even with

971
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the open windows, no matter what I did. One time,

972
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 2>as I was driving, I looked at it and said,

973
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 2>I see you. You're my sign, and it immediately fluttered away.

974
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>After we completed the hike, which was the hardest but

975
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.360
<v Speaker 2>also the most rewarding thing we've done in our lives.

976
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 2>As we came back to our car, it was covered

977
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>with hundreds of ladybugs. I've never seen anything like it.

978
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:41.440
<v Speaker 2>They were everywhere, windshields, inside of trims. We brought a

979
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 2>lot back with us to our town, which is two

980
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 2>hours away. The ladybugs got inside the car and would

981
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 2>not leave the day after the hike, I cried tears

982
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 2>of deep joy and gratitude all day inside my car.

983
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.280
<v Speaker 2>That hike touched something inside me on a soul level.

984
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:00.000
<v Speaker 2>During a stoplight, I thought to myself, maybe my soul

985
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:04.239
<v Speaker 2>belongs in the woods, after which about ten ladybugs took

986
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.960
<v Speaker 2>flight at the same time from somewhere under the car.

987
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I took that as another sign. It's now the second

988
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.480
<v Speaker 2>day after our hike, and there are no ladybugs to

989
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 2>be seen anywhere. They are gone. What could all of

990
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.800
<v Speaker 2>this mean? Well, first of all, ladybugs mean a lot

991
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.960
<v Speaker 2>of different things. In general, they mean luck that something

992
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 2>good and positive is heading your way. But I always

993
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 2>associate ladybugs with Mother Mary because the whole story of

994
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.960
<v Speaker 2>why they're called ladybugs is a town I believe it

995
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>was in Italy. Their crops were infested with a parasite

996
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>that was ruining their crops, and they were looking at

997
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>a winter of starvation, and so the whole town came

998
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 2>together and prayed to Mother Mary for help. And as

999
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the story goes, the next day their crops were covered

1000
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 2>with hundreds of these red and black bugs that ate

1001
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:00.159
<v Speaker 2>the parasites and then saved the crops and saved the

1002
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.639
<v Speaker 2>town from hunger that winter. And so after that they

1003
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.639
<v Speaker 2>started calling these bugs ladybugs because their lady Mother Mary

1004
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 2>had answered their prayer by sending the ladybugs. I also

1005
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.800
<v Speaker 2>think it's interesting that when she would say to the ladybug, like, oh,

1006
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.119
<v Speaker 2>I see you, you're my sign, the ladybug would fly away.

1007
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And then when she got the message in her soul

1008
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.239
<v Speaker 2>that she belongs in the woods, that that's where her

1009
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.480
<v Speaker 2>happy place is, ten ladybugs flew away. And then when

1010
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 2>she got home and was fully digesting all of the

1011
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.639
<v Speaker 2>lessons she learned on this treacherous and beautiful and wonderful

1012
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and hard hike, the ladybugs went away. I think sometimes

1013
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.280
<v Speaker 2>when we get a sign, it will kind of stay

1014
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.960
<v Speaker 2>around us or keep coming again and again until we

1015
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 2>get the message that that sign is trying to bring us.

1016
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.400
<v Speaker 2>And it looks like you received the sign, which is

1017
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:55.000
<v Speaker 2>a great.

1018
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Thing, Absolutely it does. I don't think I really have

1019
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:02.960
<v Speaker 1>anything to add to that, Samantha, other than a suggestion

1020
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:09.760
<v Speaker 1>to other listeners to pay attention to consistency and repetition

1021
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.679
<v Speaker 1>in signs rather than just you know, I saw a

1022
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.159
<v Speaker 1>blue jayfly by, Well, did you see a blue jay

1023
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 1>fly by doing something weird? Did you see ten blue jays?

1024
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:22.480
<v Speaker 1>You know? So the same is true with this so

1025
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>great a great story. Thank you for sharing that yeah,

1026
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 1>I do too. Okay, When I was around seven, I

1027
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:32.159
<v Speaker 1>was in a church rehearsing a play for a summer camp.

1028
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 1>The church has two hallways to span either sides of

1029
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 1>the pews, and the hallways are lined with thin wooden

1030
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>slats instead of walls. I was waiting alone in a

1031
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.880
<v Speaker 1>hallway for my queue to go on stage, which is

1032
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>where the altar was. Everyone else in the church was

1033
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 1>either on stage or sitting in the pews at that moment.

1034
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.079
<v Speaker 1>As I stood there, I looked across the church towards

1035
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the other hallway. Through the slats, I saw a tall,

1036
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 1>cloaked figure. It was completely black, with a white oval

1037
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:11.000
<v Speaker 1>where a face should be and no facial features, but

1038
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:14.239
<v Speaker 1>I could feel it staring intently at me. I was

1039
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:18.440
<v Speaker 1>horrified and frozen in place as I watched it slowly

1040
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.199
<v Speaker 1>turned in the direction of the altar, and then got

1041
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.840
<v Speaker 1>on its knee and bowed three times. I have no

1042
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.119
<v Speaker 1>idea what happened next, but I do know that I

1043
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>refused to re enter the church after the incident. The

1044
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:36.719
<v Speaker 1>summer camp even had to arrange for the priest to

1045
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.840
<v Speaker 1>give me a tour of the church to assure me

1046
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>that no ghost resided there, it didn't do much to

1047
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<v Speaker 1>alleviate my fears. I forgot about the incident until I

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<v Speaker 1>was an adult. When I revisited this church. Those hallways

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<v Speaker 1>have a very unsettling energy that still bothers me. I

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<v Speaker 1>recently told the story to some one and they were

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that the figure was a d word, as deb says,

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<v Speaker 1>and the three bowls towards the altar were meant as mockery.

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<v Speaker 1>I do know that I felt absolutely no loving energy

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<v Speaker 1>from the figure, and it filled me with intense dread.

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<v Speaker 1>I still worry sometimes that I may see it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of a figure like this with

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<v Speaker 1>no face? Is it possible that something unholy or so

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01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:32.280
<v Speaker 1>negative could reside in a holy place? Do you recommend

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<v Speaker 1>any cleansing or psychic protection. I'd love to hear your thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>as I have been intrigued about this for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Were hearing on with another no face thing, Samantha.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's interesting, it really.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, And again I think it's because we don't always

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily need a face. I have been in Azilian churches

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01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.960
<v Speaker 1>in my life, and some of them did not feel

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<v Speaker 1>like home to me. Some of them were not comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know that I've ever been in a

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<v Speaker 1>church as she's describing, and particularly as a seven year

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01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:10.800
<v Speaker 1>old child, where I felt evil. I cannot imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>there would be a D word, as she says, in

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<v Speaker 1>this space. But I do think that often when we

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<v Speaker 1>are stressed, and if I'm remembering this correctly, you were

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01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.719
<v Speaker 1>rehearsing for a play, so you were getting ready to

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<v Speaker 1>go on stage here in a little bit. So our

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<v Speaker 1>minds to really peculiar things to us to help us

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<v Speaker 1>get through stressful situations. I'm not denying that you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see the figure, but I'm wondering if the figure that

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<v Speaker 1>your anxiety took that form. I guess it's the best

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<v Speaker 1>way for me to know how to say it is

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<v Speaker 1>your anxiety took that form through the mystery of looking

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01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:56.480
<v Speaker 1>through those slats, and that's what frightened you. I don't

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01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:01.159
<v Speaker 1>have any vision or sense that this was in any

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<v Speaker 1>way some kind of D word who was mocking anything

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<v Speaker 1>and bowing on the altar. I just didn't feel right

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And that's the best I can do with

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<v Speaker 1>my intuition to tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't the symbol of theater to white masks.

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<v Speaker 1>A black mask and a white mask.

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<v Speaker 2>A black mask and a white mask. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost like a hope for being saying you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do fine in this play.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very good possibility. I mean, that might have

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<v Speaker 1>been the case, and certainly a seven year old child

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01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.360
<v Speaker 1>might not have recognized that symbology.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and I would have been terrified too.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree. I'm not saying I wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>scared about whatever I was seeing there. But of course,

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01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:44.239
<v Speaker 1>having done a Zilian plays in my life, I'm always

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01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot more worried about learning my lines and saying

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01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:50.159
<v Speaker 1>them right than I am anything going on backstage. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have worked in a haunted theater for years, but

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<v Speaker 1>I never felt threatened in any way in the theater,

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01:03:56.719 --> 01:04:00.119
<v Speaker 1>or certainly never in any church. I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the church needs any cleansing for this reason. I

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01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 1>don't know that you do either now, all these years later,

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<v Speaker 1>because the way you describe it, it sounds like it was

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<v Speaker 1>a one time event when you were a child, and

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01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:19.119
<v Speaker 1>those events are important. They color how we go through

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of our lives thinking about the metaphysical world.

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<v Speaker 1>I would suggest to you, and you're not let it

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<v Speaker 1>have that power.

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<v Speaker 2>Well said, And you know, this reminds me of I've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about. One of my favorite TV shows is called Evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Can check it out on Netflix or Paramount.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't do that, but go on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's oh good dab. But anyway, there's a scene from

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last episodes and one of the cathedrals

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<v Speaker 2>has to be sold, and so the priest has to

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<v Speaker 2>go in and de sanctify it. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>characters is a nun who can see the d words stuff. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>She's one of the only people on the show who

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01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:01.280
<v Speaker 2>can see it, because it prefers to remain invisible and

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01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:06.440
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes and doing its dastardly work unknowingly. But

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<v Speaker 2>she can see them. And as she's walking behind the

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<v Speaker 2>priest as he's desanctifying this church so that it can

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<v Speaker 2>be sold and destroyed and rebuilt and high rise apartments

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot, she sees all these dark shadow things come

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<v Speaker 2>flying and whooping into the church because the priest has

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<v Speaker 2>taken away the blessing. And it's such a powerful visualization

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<v Speaker 2>of what we can do when we do choose to

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<v Speaker 2>pray for a blessing for protection, for the shield of light,

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<v Speaker 2>and so if anything, I would suggest to this reader

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<v Speaker 2>that you can just visualize that church if you still

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<v Speaker 2>feel that there's something evil in there, and just ask

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<v Speaker 2>that it be protected and blessed and and shielded in light.

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<v Speaker 2>But also do that with your own self and with

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<v Speaker 2>this memory, so that, as Dev said, it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>that hold of fear over you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, don't give it that power. You hold on to

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<v Speaker 1>your own power.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Amn, deb Can I get an amen?

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<v Speaker 1>Amen? Less Aid?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you guys so much for sending in these

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating stories and wonderful, wonderful questions. Remember if you want

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<v Speaker 2>week filled with your own magic and miracles. Remember, as always,

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<v Speaker 2>to be the light for yourself and others.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care everyone.

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