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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen as expected,

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Xander Zaiez get it done and win the WBO Junior

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Middleway title. Also on the undercard of New York Bruce

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Shoeshoe Carrington because becomes the vacant WBC Interim featherweight champ.

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We're ready to recap those fights. Claressa Shields also successfully defended,

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but that was about as dramatic as the sun setting

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in the west and rising in the east. We'll talk

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some about that. I guess We've got a prominent Japanese

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the Flyway crowns on Wednesday. We're ready to go over

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all of that and more. It is the Fight Freaks

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the weekend and we're about to be in the month

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Speaker 2: My weekend was good. I watched all the boxing stuff,

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Top Rank Boxing on Sunday. On Saturday Night saw again

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Xander Zaiez win a twelve round easy lopsided decision over

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He wins the vacant WBO title. Let's get into that fight.

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Can't say it was surprising. Speaking of the bet Us show,

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you and I both thought he would win by decision.

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He did. You had the fight, what did you have?

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Ten to two? I think on the fight? All right,

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give me your thoughts. Hey, Zia gets the title we

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thought he would get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he thought. He thought a perfect fight. I mean,

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it's exactly the game plan that they employed. They knew

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they couldn't stand and trade with a big, rugged guy

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like Orget Garcia. They had their plan, use your feet

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hold strategically to put it nicely, let your hands go.

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a great job of keeping the distance exactly right, and

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a couple of solid body shots. But Xander's eyes was

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ready for this fight. He was in great shape. They

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had a great game plan. You know, he was very

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bullied by his crowd. A lot of the fans there,

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supporting Xander, who was born in Puerto Rico, lives in Florida.

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fight going away. I thought the eight to four scorecard

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from one of the judges one sixteen one to twelve

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was offlay generous, frankly in favor of Garcia. The one

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eighteen one ten and one nineteen one oh nine, that

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thought maybe you could give Garcia three rounds, I could

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have saw one seventeen to one eleven. I thought eighty

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the fight. We were watching a movie on Saturday night

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it or not, they were not into xanders eye as

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his attempt to win a world title. But I did

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see probably the back seven or eight rounds. I didn't

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think Garcia won any of those rounds unless he won

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longer had the steam on his punches that he that

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he had earlier. He was he'd never had the greatest

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technique in the world. He's kind of all over the

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places are real awkward, I would say awkward, but he

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like falls off balance, he falls in. His feet are terrible.

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Speaker 1: You describe it. You're describing awkward, Thank you.

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things like that. But however you want to describe it,

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team on the punches, that becomes even more of an

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uphill battle. And so while he did connect and he

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showed hard because he stayed in there and he tried,

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made the excellent point in his interview that they did

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after the fight, which was, it's all about the footwork.

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doesn't possesses the big one punch power. But he kept

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body shots and right hands, and it's a big win.

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school signs a pro contract with Top Break, one of

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the great promoters in the history of boxing. He knows

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he's not going to be turning pro until he's at

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least seventeen. In the United States. He can't turn pro

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until you're seventeen, and even then you usually have to

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so they signed the pro contract. They did some more

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preparation for the pros. He had his debut at age seventeen.

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from everybody involved, the top ranked team, matchmakers, Xander's team,

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his trainer, his parents, his manager Peter Kahan, all the

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team together. They've given him the right fights. They finally

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get him in the position they think he's going to

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be fighting Fondora. Fondora opts to go and fight the

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Tim Zoo fight instead, so he vacates the bo rather

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than fight the mandatory against against Xander. He ends up

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with hore Garcia, who a red hot fighter at that moment,

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had won eight fights in a row, coming off the

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biggest win of his career, a really good performance against

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undefeated Olympian Charles Conwell, who was a very highly ranked

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fighter in the one hundred and fifty four pound wake. Last,

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he gets the opportunity and this is now the amount

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of pressure with all of that in the storyline, and

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you're in your home arena essentially Madison Square Garden the

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Theater in particular, he's now fought there eight times, the

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last four and in the theater and everybody is all

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about you that night, it's the last ESPN card on

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you know, a top rank. I mean, there's just a

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lot of stuff going on right when he rose to

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the occasion, and on top of becoming the world champion

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of the WBO at one fifty four, which by the way,

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is a great weight class, and because of his his

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charisma and his backing and you know, his drawing ability,

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you know, he's not gonna want for bigger fights if

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he chooses and the team chooses to opt to go

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that way. But he, at age twenty two, just blows

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away the barrier of the youngest active heavyweight active world

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champion in boxing right now. He's twenty two. He broke

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the record of current guys anyway, of Brian Norman, Jinger's

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you know a little over twenty four. So by two years,

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he's the youngest active title holder in the sport. I mean,

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and he's a very mature person, and he thought a

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very discipline and a very mature fight. I thought it

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was a brilliant performance.

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let's just follow up. You said in the build up

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to this, you don't think the Fundora unification fight would

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be next. You can articulate on that. I've been thinking

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this because they kept bringing it up on the broadcast.

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Where is Bachrum? Who claber tim Zu back in October?

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I know you love it when I do co sell.

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I remember because I was there he clabered zoo Bro.

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That was back before Halloween. Where is Bachrum?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you? So?

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Speaker 1: All right, go ahead?

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Speaker 2: So uh fundor Fandora Xander and his trainer Javio Santano

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both said that they would like to fight Sowndora Xander said,

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I'll be back in December. He's gonna take a few

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months off. Obviously he'll be back before the end of

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I doubt that that will happen, but it seems like

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they're amenable and willing and interested, but probably won't happen,

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you know he u. Xander also did mention Martazalev. Now,

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Bakraum's in an interesting situation because his promoter, Main Events

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has no particular deal with anybody. They work a lot

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with PBC, but they're not tied to anybody contractually in

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to get the guy fights because A and not a

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lot of guys want to fight him. B. They don't

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really have the outlet on which to mount these types

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of events. That Bachrom fight you referenced against him Zu

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was on a PBC card, and on top of that,

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he just was ordered by the IBF to negotiate the

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mandatory against Eric san Lubin. Now, Eric san Lubin has

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been a contender for a long time, and so if

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that fight happens next, so be it, and that would

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probably be on a PBC card. Eric Sanlubin is associated

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with PBC is also involved with the people at Probox. However,

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in the IBF, if you opt to get a unification

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fight before a fight goes to a purspit, you could

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get an exception. So theoretically, and again I don't think

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the timing's going to work out. But theoretically, if there

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was a serious movement to try between the teams to

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make Bachraum against Xander's eyes, they probably could do it

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it's too soon to say. There's lots of good talent

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not going to be next. Bob Aaron did say that

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he's taken xanders Ayas for his first defense back to

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I'm sure they're not gonna fight a bum, I don't think.

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top top guy. They're gonna go have a beautiful homecoming,

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pack a big amount of people into an arena in

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Puerto Rico, make him a bigger star in Puerto Rico.

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And that's the name of the game. I'm not even

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that about that. I mean, there's I got no problem

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with that. The kids, I'm years old, go do what

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you gotta money and make your star power.

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Speaker 1: But let me back up, just a couple of moments here,

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and I love having fun going back and forth. Bakrum

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has not fought in nine months.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sass problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it is okay. I don't care. I'm

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not his promoter. When is the guy fighting again? If

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he hasn't fought in nine months, and you're talking to

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me about ericson lubin in PBC. Do they even have

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a show on the books that they would put that

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fight on in Well, they would have October November.

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Speaker 2: I mean, whatever their situation is if there's no unification

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fight and and the teams And I talked to Kathy Duva,

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who was boxing's promoter, and I wrote this on my

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substack the other day. They are talking, she said, and

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they have a good relationship with PBC, so they can

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they can make the match and it probably would wind

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up on a PBC card. However, Uh, until there's a

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deal and or a purse bid, you know who the

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heck knows, But uh, he'll fight.

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Speaker 1: But apparently he hasn't fought in nine months.

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Speaker 2: But for boxers to go a year without a fight

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as normal, unfortunately, So it's Tild's.

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Speaker 1: Play coming off of that knockout. He should have been

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fighting somebody and he would his dollars would go up. Interesting,

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but it hasn't happened.

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Speaker 2: A right, But they don't have the money and they

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don't have the outlets, so it's you can't get blood

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from a fucking stonach.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing is we're gonna get into

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it in a couple of minutes. Top rank doesn't have

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the outlet at the moment either. How much does that

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complicate things? Stay tuned, all right? The co feature fight

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Bruce Shoeshue Carrington did win Matteas Hata was the opponent

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from Namibia. We well documented that he had never fought

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outside of Africa. Carrington again was the better, more skilled fighter.

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There wasn't much to this and he wins the interim

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WBC Featherweight Championship. Right your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: It was like a man and a boy in my mind.

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I mean, the skill level was so wide between Carrington

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and Hata. I mean it's not like Haya was terrible

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or anything like that. He was a hard worker. He

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seemed pretty sturdy. He landed a couple of good shots.

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I could see him competing with some of the fighters

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that are a notch below, you know, the world class level.

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I do give him credit. Did fly all the way

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from the Mbia to New York to fight Carrington in

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his hometown. I'm sure he made his biggest perse ever.

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Trust me, when I tie, there ain't a lot of money.

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When you're fighting, you know, sup fights in Namibia, which

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is where he fought all of his fights other than

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one other fight in Africa until this fight, and he

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tried and whatever I mean. But Carrington was so leaps

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and bounds better technically, just did everything better. And while

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it wasn't the most dynamic performance in the world, there

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was no doubt who the better man was. The scores

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were appropriate. One twenty to one O eight one nineteen

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one oh nine one nineteen oh one oh nine. That

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was dead on that. We you know, we talked about the

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range of acceptable scores. It was either twelve zero or

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eleven rounds to one. You know, maybe you could find

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ten rounds to two, but that, you know, that was

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the deal there, and uh, you know, Carrington wins the

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fight going away. I didn't really like the fact this

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was Carrington's first twelve round scheduled fight and it did

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go to twelve rounds. I never liked when a fighter

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says in their post id interview, you know I wanted

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to go to the twelve rounds. No, no, no, nobody's

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paying for a ticket to watch it go twelve rounds.

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If you go twelve rounds, fine, that's the way life

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goes but don't tell me you wanted to go twelve rounds.

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We want to see knockouts. That's what people hate ticket

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money for. If you can't get it, no problem. But

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don't tell me your aim is to go twelve rounds

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because number one, I actually don't believe that, and number two, right,

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we want to see you.

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Speaker 1: Different way to phrase it is, I wanted to get

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some rounds in. And once you've gotten some rounds in,

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because you hear fighters say that, then get the knockout.

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If you can get the knockout.

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Speaker 2: But so he has the interim title, and you know, well,

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I'm a big Bruce Carrington fan. Shusha was a lot

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of fun to watch most of the time. He's got

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a great personality, comes from a hard scrabble background like

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lots of boxers do, and I give him credit for

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dragging himself up from the bootstraps and all the difficult

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things he's been through in his life. However, I am very,

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very nauseous and ill and disgusted with the constant narrative

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that a man who has only been a professional for

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a handful of years, who's only had fourteen fights going

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into that fight last night, has somehow been avoided and

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ducked in dodge and can't get the title shot. I mean,

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you think the guy's motherfucking Marvin Hagler. Okay, wed like

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fifty fucking fights before he fought for the title. I mean,

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give me a fucking break.

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting salty. Now we're getting salty on this.

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Speaker 2: I just but the narrative that was in this. I'm

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not even blaming Carrington. He's entitled to say I want

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the title shot. I don't even have a problem with that.

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And with all due respect to my former colleagues at ESPN,

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who I love dearly, my boy Bernardo and Joe and

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Kregel and Bradley, I love all of them. They're the best.

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But that the echo chamber narrative that he's somehow been

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aggrieved and has some of them to get the tunele

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shot is just so preposterous. It's just ridiculous. So, Okay,

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now he has an interim belt. He was calling out

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Raphael Espinoza, who was ringside. Uh, there's probably zero chance

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that that fight happens next. Unfortunately, that would be a

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very intriguing.

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Speaker 1: What reason, just while we're here for what reason? Because

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Espinosa is gonna fight somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Probably because they're making plans for somebody else for Espinoza,

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and I don't think Espinosa wants that smoke right now.

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He's got other things that are that are that she

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can make bigger money and bigger events, uh than fighting him.

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And my that's my opinion. And I know top rank.

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I talked to some of the folks there. They're not

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looking a rush to make that match. They're not worried

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about putting Carrington in there, but they don't want to

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lose a top attraction Mexican brawler who brings a crowd,

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and they don't need to put them in together right away.

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So we'll see. I mean, I hope it happens. It

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will be an excellent fight.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know Angelo lio is there, who knows what he's

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gonna do. He did just fight in the last couple

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of months, so you know he might be available at

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some point. Uh. But besides the the false narrative of

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Carrington's aggrieved situation of not getting a world title shot,

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he now does have a mandatory. It does give him

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some juice in terms of getting a title shot. He

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did mention Stephen Fulton the whole purpose why this in

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Durham title was available theoretically was because Fulton, who is

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the champion, was going to one thirty to challenge O'shaki

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Foster for the WBC belt on the undercart of Tank

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Davis and Lamont Roach in the remash that was supposed

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to be August sixteenth, and then if he won or lost,

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he would be able to decide if he's going to

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come back down and defend. If he did, he'd have

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to fight the winner of Carrington against Hada. If if

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he decided to stay up with the heavier weight than

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the chance than the in this case, Carrington would take

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over the title. However, the Roach and Tank fight ain't happening.

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I mean, it's totally messed up. It's definitely not happened

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in August, and I think it's totally off altogether at

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this point, and they're looking for other things because who knows,

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you know, Tank is doing Tank things and Roach is like,

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I'm not going to sit around and wait for the

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rest of the year to get the dude in the rings.

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So there's a very tenuous situation of whether Foster and

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and if Foster and Fulton will happen. If it doesn't happen.

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You know, I'm not sure what's gonna go on in

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terms of that title. But Carrington's in a good position.

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He fought a good fight and he you know, he

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didn't He's still I mean, in my opinion, and again

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I say this with all due respect, I love Carrington.

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He still hasn't fought anybody of any kind of consequence.

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I against sixteen Nobody's basically.

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Speaker 1: It's a hype. It's a hype train, and at this

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point we need to see more from him.

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Speaker 2: He does have the talent, Like I'm very convinced that

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if you did put him in with some of the

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other champions or top featherweights, he would compete with the

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Stephen Fulton's and the Espinosa's and Leo, you know, and

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Angelo Leo. I'm not saying he would lose all of

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them or anything like that. I'm just saying they yet

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haven't seen it. And the one time they put him

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in with a guy that was somewhat reputable in Sulaman Sagawa,

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he was life and death in a majority of decision

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to win.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, on the undercards, I'm just keeping

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it real, Hey, I'm gonna keep it real in a

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few minutes to stand by on the whole top ranked

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ESPN thing uh on the undercard as well. Emiliano Vargas

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speaking of the hype train, we can't we can't get

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enough of talking about him off of a one punch

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essentially KO of Alexander Espinosa with a big right hand

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early on in the first round of that fight. What

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are your thoughts and what about that hype TRAINK.

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Speaker 2: Forty two seconds the right hand and over and owt.

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Espinosa was a very experienced fighter compared to the other

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types of guys that Emiliano has faced. Look, Emiliano really

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does have legitimate superstar potential. He's fifteen and oh with

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thirteen knockouts. He talks well, he looks beautiful. He comes

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from a fighting family. His father was one of the

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most popular and decorated fighters of his time, in Fernando Vargas,

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who was you know, a huge fan favor and he

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checks every single box out there, I think, and I've

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maybe been guilty of this when he came along and

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I watched him early, you know, he was scoring the

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typical knockouts against the nobodies, and I'm like, I'm not

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so sure about this. I've seen a lot of you know,

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sons come along that weren't much and I'm like, okay,

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i'll get chance, let's see what happens. But I was

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not buying the hype. I was not on the bandwagon.

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I never put him in my prospect of the air list.

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I saw some holes there and this and that. I'm

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starting to come around on the kid, and I think

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some people might have like the reverse discrimination. They're like, well,

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you must not be any good just because you've got

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the famous name and the good looks and you're fighting

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a bunch of nobody's. But I feel like he's kind

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of turning the corner, like he's really handling you know,

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guys who are not stars, not elite fighters, but competent pros.

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And I would put Alexander Espinoza in that category. Yeah,

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he was older, obviously, but that's a really if you

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ask the people at top rank or anybody that's familiar

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with him, I think that, okay, fine, you think that

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Vargas is gonna win fair enough. I'm pretty sure that

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nobody was saying he's gonna stop him in forty two

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seconds on a clean knockout. You know this is a

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guy that had won a couple of fights in a row,

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not against top level guys, but he's been in the

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ring with some fine, you know, with some solid guys

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through the years, and I just was very impressed by

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the way he did it and the way he handles

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it and the way he talks. And I hope he

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becomes a superstar because boxing could use a handsome, exciting

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you know, with a with a pedigree like he has

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from the father like that. That's superstar made to order

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as long as he can fight. So it seems to

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me like he's on a great trajector. He's gonna probably

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fight at least, you know, once or twice more this year,

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and next year's gonna be a big one for him

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because at that point, you know, he'll be you know,

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eighteen and o ish something like that. He'll have rankings

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in the organizations and it'll be time to see what

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we can do.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes the descendants of the great fighters can put

472
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it together. I mean, you were saying the same thing

473
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,960
similarly on these pods. Because I do listen to you

474
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,920
and pay attention to you. The Connor Benn early on

475
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,119
in his career didn't look like anything special, didn't look

476
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,680
like he'd be a world class fighter, but he improved

477
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,480
as time went on. Now there's a dubious footnote that

478
00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:58,440
he was using pds, obviously potentially for a lot of it.

479
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,799
He got caught, but still, I mean, guys can improve

480
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,559
and can look better. Uh. And and we'll see, we'll

481
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,640
see what Emiliano Vargas well.

482
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: I surely hope that Emiliano doesn't get caught using things

483
00:22:13,319 --> 00:22:15,640
like his father did. Because as as outstanding and as

484
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,240
fun and exciting, as big a star as Fernando was,

485
00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:21,599
you know, he got busted for using performance enhancing drugs.

486
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:23,400
It didn't help because it was the fight where he

487
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,480
tested positive after it Oscar del hoy and knocked him out. Uh,

488
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,359
but you know that's the way it goes.

489
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Speaker 1: All Right, anything else or shall we move on to

490
00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:36,039
the goodbye from top rank and right? So I'll get

491
00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:39,160
your thoughts here in a second. But you know you're

492
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,440
already salty here. I'm just gonna I'm gonna keep it

493
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,559
real on the podcast. Pathetic. It was pathetic the way

494
00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,799
that that went out. I don't know if there's animus

495
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720
behind the scenes for them to say goodbye. They basically

496
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,559
really didn't even say goodbye on that State of Boxing show.

497
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They certainly didn't have any kind of a highlight montage

498
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,920
that we saw when showed Time said goodbye or HBO

499
00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:06,599
said goodbye again. I'm not privy to all of this,

500
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,440
but I do know behind the scenes at ESPN they

501
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,279
were done with this relationship earlier in the year because

502
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of how much money they've been spending. But I really

503
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,599
thought that there would be some kind of send off

504
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:21,839
that and maybe and maybe it's an indication that it's

505
00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:25,200
not really gonna be a full on divorce, and maybe

506
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,359
they're gonna come back with something on ESPN Plus, and

507
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,279
that's why they didn't do a full on goodbye. I'm

508
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:32,480
not privy to that. I don't know, but if that

509
00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:36,000
is it for goodbye on the on the short term

510
00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:39,359
of top rank boxing from the last seven or eight years,

511
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,240
how do you not have something ready to go that

512
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:47,200
shows Tyson Fury knocking out Deontay Wilder, that shows, you know,

513
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,759
the Manny Pacquiao upset like you referenced that began at

514
00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,240
all to Jeff Horn that you have some great moments,

515
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:54,640
big moments, big calls. They had none of it.

516
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Speaker 2: That was I wasn't surprised. It's just I'm not saying.

517
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying whether you were surprised or not. I'm

518
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,880
just gonna call it what it is. That was a

519
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,400
pathetic goodbye. That was just were going on there goodbye.

520
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: And they referenced it during State of Boxing, and they

521
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:10,680
referenced it I think before the main event they discussed

522
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,279
it for a minute. Here's the difference between an h

523
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:15,279
First of all, I thought the Showtime send off was

524
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pretty weak, also because they didn't do a very good

525
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,519
highlight package. But put that aside, HBO as a boxing

526
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:25,240
broadcaster was just part of the fabric of the sport

527
00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:30,759
for literally over forty years. Showtime not that far behind,

528
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:33,880
much much different. The level of fights they did, the

529
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,519
consistency that they did, did with they didn't only work

530
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,480
with one promoter, so they covered the entire facet of

531
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the sport. I mean, granted at different times they were

532
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,039
working with other promoters, maybe not with this promoter, but

533
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,039
in general terms, the biggest boxing matches in the world

534
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,720
between roughly nineteen, you know, in the late seventies through

535
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,880
two thousand and fifteen eighteen, they all happened pretty much

536
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,599
on HBO. Showtime with exceptions of course, you know, especially

537
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,079
during the in the mid eighties and all that. But

538
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:08,200
the ESPN Top Rank latest incarnation was only eight years

539
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,720
one promoter, lots of good fights, but I didn't I

540
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,400
wasn't surprised in any way. Maybe it's because I spent

541
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,440
a long time working at the ESPN and it's not

542
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,160
their way of doing it. They're not working on something

543
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,759
for ESPN. Plus, to my knowledge, it is goodbye for now.

544
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,279
That doesn't mean, at least in my opinion, that ESPN

545
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,440
will be totally divorced from the sport for the long term.

546
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,880
Remember when when the original Top Rank series left the

547
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,480
air in roughly nineteen ninety six thereabouts, it was only

548
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:37,839
a year and a half later or so that they

549
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,599
created what became Friday Night Fights, and it had various

550
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,240
incarnations of Tuesday Night Fights and this and that. So,

551
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,240
you know, I do think that somebody else may fill

552
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,119
that breach at some point. I'm not saying it's going

553
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,279
to be at the same level or the same amount

554
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,680
of money, or the same regularity and all that. But

555
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,200
you know, it's hard for me to see the so

556
00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,599
called worldwide leader in sports that has its hand in

557
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,480
every for you can conceive of not to do any

558
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,319
boxing at all. I just I feel like at some point,

559
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,000
again I'm not saying it's gonna be next week, but

560
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960
in the near future, there'll be something related to boxing

561
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,960
on their air. So the fact they didn't do like

562
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,000
a big blowout goodbye not a surprise in any way.

563
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,839
Speaker 1: And no way, I'm not saying that they should have

564
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,759
thrown a parade.

565
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,519
Speaker 2: But but if you listen to what everybody was saying,

566
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,039
what what the broadcaster said, they're appreciative. I saw some

567
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:27,559
tweets from members of the not that they weren't. I

568
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,400
talked to Bob Aeron about it a couple of days ago.

569
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,880
He said, there's no hard feelings anything, but we're grateful

570
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,759
for the time we had. We put on a lot

571
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,200
of great events with them. We had a great partnership.

572
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,880
And you know, it's not because they didn't want boxing.

573
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,240
It's because ESPN has cut massive budget for us. And

574
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,160
this is not including Major League Baseball for that.

575
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Correct, Major League Baseball is going to be gone F

576
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:49,160
one whatever, So.

577
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: You can get rid of F one at MLB. I mean,

578
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,319
boxing is like a pimple on the.

579
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,279
Speaker 1: S Yeah, and so I'm gonna do my ray Field.

580
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,359
So I've been in the media for thirty five years.

581
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,480
I've been in the national media for going on about

582
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,440
twenty two twenty three years, so I'm pretty astute at this.

583
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,799
I have a lot of different people that I talked

584
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:10,640
to all the time inside of big media organizations, including ESPN,

585
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,480
et cetera. Again, I'm going to say that was pathetic

586
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,319
television to end it. They should have done some kind

587
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,319
of highlight montage. You know, let's look back, even if

588
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,160
it's three or four minutes, let's look back on some

589
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,119
great moments that we've had doing this. They did none

590
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,480
of it announce.

591
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: Completely, and I usually liked those type of packages, like

592
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,880
I love the HBO one they did, but that was

593
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,960
different because of the things I mentioned in terms of

594
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,519
the historical nature of what they did in their forty

595
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:41,319
something years. So if you're upset about it at school,

596
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,359
I personally didn't move me one way or the other.

597
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,200
I couldn't hear less.

598
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,279
Speaker 1: And it basically epitomizes the end of the ESPN top

599
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,720
rank relationship that apparently it didn't move either one of

600
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,680
them one way or the other, and so they're done.

601
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,559
They're done. With that, all right, speaking of not moving,

602
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,440
we've run from my Hall of Fame segue. Speaking of

603
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,079
not moving this one way or the other. Claressa shields,

604
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,440
hey uh defends the women's don't laugh, Ray feel undisputed

605
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,599
heavyweight title against Lannie Daniels. Daniels from New Zealand, I

606
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:14,480
believe is also fun in Australia. I go ahead. I

607
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,680
didn't see it. I think I'm not alone in not

608
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:18,240
seeing it.

609
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: The fact that they call this heavyweight's irritates me because

610
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,640
it's it's one hundred and seventy five pound fight, which

611
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,519
in normal parlance is light heavyweight. And it's just like

612
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,000
boxing organizations to try to change things up and make

613
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,480
you confused. But I still can't stand that they use

614
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:35,119
super welterweight in junior middleweight and all that whatever. But

615
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,160
the regardless of all that, she won the fight as expected,

616
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,000
and Lanny Daniels was, you know, is nothing spectacular. She

617
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,799
has a title at light heavyweight. She was basically at

618
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,559
that weight, you know, almost at that weight for this

619
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:51,599
fight anyway. And Claressa it was the best fighter in

620
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,640
the world in terms of women's boxing. It has been

621
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,000
for years and as a Verst Ballot Hall of Famer

622
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and has all the accomplishments you could possibly conceive of.

623
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:03,240
Olympic gold medal, multi division world championships, multiple undisputed championships,

624
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,400
one loss ever in her life amateur or pro, avenged

625
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,119
against Savannah Marshall as a professional. I mean, I don't

626
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,480
know what else she can do. The problem is, as

627
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,039
I detailed you in the preview, if you take a

628
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,279
look at the organization rankings of the Big Four and

629
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,839
you add up the number of heavyweight women that they rank,

630
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,960
you're talking about literally eighteen women in the fucking planet,

631
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,920
and some of them overlap each other's rankings. So it's

632
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,319
not to put it on a comparable basis to some

633
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000
of the lower women's weight classes where there's many, many

634
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,119
more boxers involved, and then to put it on that

635
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,000
same level as the men's side of the sport, where

636
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
it's not even close, is kind of laughable. I just

637
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:46,720
feel bad because she's such an outstanding, skilled boxer, but

638
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,000
she just has nobody that is even I said to you,

639
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,359
it's going to be a shutout. I wasn't even interested

640
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,160
in watching it fight. I struggled through some of the rounds,

641
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,559
I Frankly, I kind of turned it off because I

642
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,680
already had known the result because I had watched the

643
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,160
ESPN Top Rank car live, so I knew the result

644
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,880
by the time I clicked on his own to check

645
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,119
out some of the fight with Claressa. And the bottom

646
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,400
line is, and I'm not want to tell her to

647
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,599
go lose twenty five pounds rything like this, but if

648
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,799
she wants to get fights where people will actually give

649
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,839
a damn besides us her small contingent in the Detroit

650
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:19,839
area and Flint where she's from, it she did draw

651
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440
a big crowd. She's gonna have to go down back

652
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,759
to the lower weights to find at least some semblance.

653
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: I said that, I said that last week. Yes, I

654
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,000
agree with you.

655
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,359
Speaker 2: There's just nobody there. I mean, the girls that she's

656
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,640
been fighting don't compete with her, forget about winning. There's

657
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,599
literally no combination. The cards last night one hundred and

658
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,279
ninety ninety nine, ninety one on the other two when

659
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,279
she won the fight prior to that, when she fought

660
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,200
Danielle Perkins, who was undefeated only five and zero. But

661
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,119
you know, having a good amateur car one hundred to

662
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,880
eighty nine ninety nine to ninety ninety seven ninety two.

663
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,319
In the fight before that, she scored a rare knockout

664
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:59,200
against the Vanessa Lapage Joanese, a woman that was very

665
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,759
incompetent in the with her. You go back before that

666
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,359
when she was down at middleweight, she's beating up on

667
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Marcella Carnejo. Shall I say one hundred ninety one hundred

668
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,759
ninety one hundred eighty nine, like she's not losing rounds,

669
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
the only one that even gave her competition and she

670
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,640
still won although it was competitive. Was she did win

671
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640
the fight I mentioned against Savannah Marshall. Savannah actually won

672
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,920
four rounds on one of the scorecards. That's like a

673
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,759
miracle because Larissa doesn't lose rounds. So you know, to

674
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,880
fight before that across the board, Emma Cosen undefeated, a good,

675
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,920
good fighter one hundred to ninety times three. There's no

676
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,599
competition for her to fight. It's that horrible, all right.

677
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,599
Speaker 1: So but you just said it, and we can just

678
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:40,400
wrap it up on this. It's an A plus B

679
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,680
equal C type thing. If you're not fighting anybody that

680
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,039
anybody cares about, then you're not gonna have enough audience.

681
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,960
And then therefore not get money out of this. It's

682
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440
gonna dry up, and I would think at this point

683
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,519
it has basically dried up in terms of who's watching this,

684
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,440
who cares.

685
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: So there hasn't been a Savannah since the Savannah Marshall fight,

686
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,519
which took place in October of twenty twenty two. Claressa

687
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,200
has had four boxing matches and not one of them

688
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,759
have I been even remotely interested, that's the going She

689
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,200
also competes in PFL MMA right, which she's been balancing

690
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920
between the two, so she sat a couple of MMA bounds.

691
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,759
Speaker 1: Part of the problem is she had one of those

692
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,279
bouts that she got beat, so it kind of derailed

693
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,640
some of what they were trying to do. So stay

694
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,440
tuned on what happens next. I I just know this,

695
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,680
It's not gonna get any better if you stay at

696
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,119
heavyweight in non competitive fights.

697
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,759
Speaker 2: No, I'm not trying to compare them, but in some way,

698
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,279
I think of the days when when Roy Jones was

699
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:47,440
fighting at super middleweight or even at light heavyweight, uh,

700
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,400
and there was just nobody could hang with him. Nobody

701
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,079
could win rounds off them. Right, for different reasons, they

702
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:56,039
could never make the Mikolchevsky fight, and they basically forced

703
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,000
them to go to heavyweight. The difference between going to

704
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,640
heavyweight as a man, there's a lot of guys that

705
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,759
you can fight who are way bigger and stronger, and

706
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,440
he ended up fighting Jean Ruiz. Of course, Essa, there

707
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,400
are no women up at the heavyweight division that matter

708
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,119
or mean anything.

709
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you get back down to the lesser weight

710
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,839
and its potentially a little more competitive. We'll see. We

711
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,200
just gave that about five minutes, which is probably five

712
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,519
minutes than more than it should have gotten. What that is? Okay?

713
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,960
On Wednesday, as we released this podcast Wednesday morning US time,

714
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Wednesday night in Japan, let's talk Ken, Shiro Taraji and

715
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:37,079
Ricardo Sandoval for the WBCWBA Flyweight unified titles. That's the

716
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,279
main event. A couple of interesting undercard fights as well.

717
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,319
So even though this is the fight freach and night

718
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,240
recap a little bit in the preview mode because before

719
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,720
we get back here, we got lessist in Japanese boxing.

720
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: Well, the good news here is that while this would

721
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,599
normally have been an ESPN Plus card, like a lot

722
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,200
of those Japanese cards that Teak and Promotions does because

723
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,640
of their relationship with Top Break. I actually thought they

724
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,359
might squeeze this one in under the wire because this

725
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:03,119
fight takes place on July thirtieth, but the Top Rank

726
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,119
contract with the ESPN actually expires on July thirty first,

727
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,280
But that's not happening. But the good news for those

728
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,400
of us here in the United States as well as

729
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,840
the folks in the UK, is that the Zone has

730
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,079
acquired the rights to this fight in those two territories.

731
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:16,719
So if you live in the United States and you

732
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,679
live in the UK, you can watch this fight on

733
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,840
his own. For the United States, they'll be the same

734
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,480
time as we see it normally when they were on

735
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,519
ESPN plus you know, on that five thirty kind of

736
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:31,079
time range. Taraji, for me, is the kind of guy

737
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,280
you wake up early to see if you can, because

738
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,559
he's super exciting. He's a lower part of the top

739
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,039
tenni ish pound for pound caliber fighter. He's won titles

740
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,920
in two divisions now he is a unified champion. In

741
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,039
his last fight that he won the WBA belt and

742
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:51,239
retained the WBC belt TJ. This fight was back in March.

743
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,400
This is a clear candidate for Fight of the Year

744
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,280
to me, right now it's only a two fight discussion.

745
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,760
It's either that fight or it's Connor Ben against Chris Ubay.

746
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,320
There's other fights that we're outstanding, also Angel Fierro against

747
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,400
Pitt boll Cruz and others. But in terms of the

748
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,719
fight that could actually win the award, as we you

749
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,039
know are halfway through the year, it's Taraji against Sego Akui.

750
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,199
Spectacular action fight. Taraji with the dramatic twelve round knockout,

751
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,840
come from behind knockout. We have detailed in the past

752
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,679
how rare it is for there to be a world

753
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,719
championship fight where a fighter scores where he's down on

754
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,400
the cards and comes back to score a knockout in

755
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,400
a world championship fight. Very very unusual and highly rare. Anyway,

756
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,400
he's coming off of that fight, So in terms of

757
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,480
matching himup with Ricardo Raphael Sandobal not on that same level.

758
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,519
They've not given him King Kong. They know how brutal

759
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:43,760
then tough of that fight that he just had. So

760
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,119
but Sandobal is a guy you may have seen on

761
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,000
some of the Golden Boys shows. He fights for Golden Boy.

762
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:50,639
He's at a rialto California. Good record twenty six and

763
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,159
two with eighteen he's won like six fights in a row.

764
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,599
But if you take a look at the types of

765
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:57,519
fighters he has faced, he is taking a gargantuan step

766
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:02,119
up in competition. So you know Taraji, who's not getting

767
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,199
any younger. He's thirty three, he sat some wars. Maybe

768
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,440
he's not what he was at his absolute best, but

769
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,480
he's still an outstanding fighter, super exciting and we'll see

770
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,800
if sander bal has got a great opportunity to win

771
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,280
a unified championship. See being give him some competition and

772
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,039
making a fun fight. But I know whether he wins.

773
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:21,239
In the rare time when he did lose, Taraji always

774
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,559
makes a good fight. And that's the headliner of this

775
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,280
show that takes place in Yokohama, Japan on Wednesday.

776
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,199
Speaker 1: Two other world title fights as well. Says something about

777
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,360
them for Wednesday.

778
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,119
Speaker 2: So you have Antonio Vargas who had been the interim

779
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,559
WBA Bandon White champion. He was recently elevated to the

780
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,679
new full status and he's kind of a guy that's

781
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,079
flown under the raidar. He signed with top rank after

782
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:46,960
having participate in the Olympics years ago, didn't work out,

783
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,679
kind of floated under the radar, got with pro box.

784
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,800
He's now nineteen and one with eleven knockouts. He's twenty eight.

785
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,880
He's not getting any younger. But he was an Olympian

786
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,639
all the way back in twenty sixteen based out of

787
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,679
Cassie Me, Florida. And you know, he's done. He's done

788
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:04,760
what he's supposed to do. So now he's he's making

789
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,639
his first defense of the full title since he got elevated,

790
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,480
and he's going to Japan to fight. In this card,

791
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,599
he's fighting Daego Higa, who is a former WBC flyweight

792
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,320
champion who's got a good record twenty one three until

793
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,639
he's coming off of a draw, but he's always been

794
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,119
in good fights. I've seen lots of the Daego Higa

795
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:24,320
fights on because of my Japanese fetish for championship level boxing.

796
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,079
But this is you know what I like about Antonio

797
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:28,559
Vargas is what he's been saying in the build up

798
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,320
to this fight is that he's embracing the trip overseas.

799
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,679
He's really looking forward to that to have people get

800
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,639
to know who he is outside of the United States

801
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,519
or maybe even out of outside of Florida, because unfortunately

802
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,360
he's not even that well known within the United States,

803
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,679
but the Japanese fans they love their smaller weight classes

804
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,039
and it's a great opportunity for him. So and he's

805
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,199
fighting within the Japanese boxing culture, a fighter who's got

806
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,480
a name and some recognition in Higa. So we'll see

807
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,920
what he can do. And then you know, down you

808
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,039
get to the small small weight class. The junior flyweight

809
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,760
title holder of the WBA, Eric Rosa, who's only eight

810
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,280
to oh south, buff from the Dominican very good young fighter.

811
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,840
He's defending against a fighter named Kayasuki Takari. Can't say

812
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,719
I'm really that familiar with him, but he is undefeated.

813
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,000
This is a typical kind of fight you've seen in

814
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,960
these weight classes where if there's a champion that comes

815
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,519
from this part of the world, they've got plenty of

816
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:21,039
prospects and up and comers over there. They match them

817
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,519
up with typically they make good fights, and so you know,

818
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,000
as your Japanese triple header goes, you know, I'm in

819
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,159
the tank for these types of shows.

820
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,559
Speaker 1: So they all right. At least we got some championship

821
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:33,079
fights midweek, there's not a whole lot. Again, the next

822
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:36,239
couple of weekends, So we'll obviously talk more about that

823
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,639
when we get on the preview pod for this weekend.

824
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,719
We'll talk in the recap mode about those fights some

825
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,440
news before we are done. Not surprisingly, we've been talking

826
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,960
about this now in the aftermath of the Busik win

827
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,320
over Daniel Dubwah. But the WBO has followed through and said,

828
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,880
you need to fight Joseph Parker next.

829
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And this is what they said when

830
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,639
they approved Busik to fight dubwa and to allow the

831
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,800
w belt to be at stake so it would still

832
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,039
be for undisputed. Parker was cool about it. Joe's a

833
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,719
good dude, He understands the business and he agreed to

834
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,559
step aside and not give anybody any problems. And this

835
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,280
is not a mandatory where we've seen many times where

836
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,400
it's a lesser opponent or a guy that maybe doesn't

837
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,280
really deserve it or has just been kind of sitting

838
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,079
on his ranking waiting around to get the shot. This

839
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,000
is the complete opposite. If there's a singular heavyweight in

840
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,880
the entire division, whatever organization we're talking about, who Lawrence

841
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,599
a shot at the undisputed Heavyweight Championship. It is Joseph Parker.

842
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,599
Now he is the WBO's interim title holder. He's a

843
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:39,679
former WBO full titlelder. He held that title from twenty

844
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,800
sixteen to twenty eighteen. He defeated Andy Ruiz and won

845
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,800
that vacant title. He ultimately lost it in a unification

846
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,679
fight against Anthony Joshua. He is no stranger to being

847
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,920
in big fights. He has won, you know, several fights

848
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,320
in a row, but he more particular his last three

849
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,000
fights since he got beat by Joe Joyce a few

850
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,679
years ago. You know, he's reeled off wins in a row,

851
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:06,079
but most notably Deontay Wilder, Zilly Jang and then a

852
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,559
devastating knockout of Martin Bucoley, you know, the supposed boogeyman.

853
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,360
People want to say, well Bacoley took the fight on

854
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,440
short notice. Well Joe Parker accepted them on short notice.

855
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,280
So I mean, it's it kind of is it kind

856
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,760
of evens things out. All I know is this the

857
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,199
w BO has done the right thing. And I saw

858
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,679
a post from from Turkey via the Ring where they

859
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,719
were making the point that read season and SELA, which

860
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,400
is the government group that handles, you know, the financing

861
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440
of these events and Turkey runs. We're not interested in

862
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,280
doing the fight, and that's their proact. I don't know

863
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,519
why they're not interested. It's a very good matchup. But

864
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,719
even if they're not interested, I got all all this

865
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,840
stuff on social media like, well, they're not interested in

866
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,480
the fight, what's gonna happen. They're entitled to that opinion,

867
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,000
but they're not the only people in this sport that

868
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,480
bank roll fights and put fights on. So they don't

869
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,719
have to they don't have to do the fight. I'm

870
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,760
not mad about that. If that's what they decide to do, fine,

871
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,800
But that doesn't mean that Frank Warren, who is Joseph

872
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,159
Parkers promoter who put on it was also Dubois Broter,

873
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,599
who sold ninety thousand seats in a Wembley stadium. He

874
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,880
can put the fight under some other entity that would

875
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,559
be out there willing to put on the fight. Not

876
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,559
every fight is a ninety thousand seats stadium fight. Not

877
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,519
every fight do you have to get paid seventy zillion dollars.

878
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:18,639
And may I add, by the way, the nonsense sets

879
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,000
out there on social media that that Alexander Usig made

880
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,800
one hundred and thirty two million dollars for the Dubai

881
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,519
fight is just blatantly fused. Well, I'm sorry, all over

882
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:28,519
it's all over the place.

883
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,199
Speaker 1: Wait wait a minute, somebody is saying he made one

884
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,800
hundred two million for the Dubois fight, or he's made

885
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,320
one hundred and thirty two million to this point in

886
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,199
his career on the run.

887
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,599
Speaker 2: No for the Dubois fight. What planet are we and

888
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:43,599
the Dubois had made like I forget what the number

889
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,559
what they were thrown after, like fifty million dollars that

890
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,239
is made up out of whole cloth. It is just

891
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,000
not accurate.

892
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: It's idiotic.

893
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,199
Speaker 2: It wound up in like the the Ai thing, and

894
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,960
like if you google it, it's plain absolutely ridiculous. My

895
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,639
point is you you in the real world, not the

896
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:04,960
world where they just give out money. And like the

897
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,559
Saudi right, most promotions over the course of history is

898
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,360
you put on an event and the people who are

899
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,800
managing the event and doing the promotion and doing the

900
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,559
financial aspects of it try to do an event where

901
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,840
they pay whatever they have to pay for the purses

902
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,280
and the expenses and the undercart and all the things

903
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,519
that go into an event and hope that they can

904
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:29,800
make money back based on what they sell, either broadcast

905
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,239
rights or pay per view, or sponsors or international television,

906
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,079
or ticket sales or t shirts or whatever. So you

907
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,960
fight for what's there when they did plenty of fights

908
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
like that, You fight for your peace, and whatever you

909
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,519
can generate, you generate. So I see no reason why Usik,

910
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,599
who's been a great fighter and will fight whoever, not

911
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,599
ducking anybody. Joseph Parker is very obvious on his career

912
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,800
that he's not looking at duck anybody. That's the fight

913
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,239
that should be made. They can sell a lot of

914
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,199
tickets for that fight if they put it in the UK.

915
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,480
Because Usik has become popular, Parker is well known. They

916
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,000
could put that fight back in Poland where he'll sell

917
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:06,199
out a stadium. I mean, that's the fight. This should happen.

918
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: And by the way, Frank Warren is savvy at this

919
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,679
and knows this. If you were to put it like

920
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,719
in the Wimbley Arena. Here we are playing matchmakers and promoters,

921
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,639
all right, and you pull a Moses to Tama, let's say,

922
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,960
on the undercard, and or you put another prominent British fight,

923
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,400
you'd sell that place out, probably just on the main event.

924
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,280
But you definitely sell it out with other fights, and

925
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,440
you'd increase the value of the tickets and the gate

926
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,280
if you made it smaller if you did that, and

927
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,400
there's nothing wrong with that.

928
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: I also think though that because of I mean, Dubois

929
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:38,440
is British and was a big reason why they drew

930
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,159
the ninety thousand. Obviously, Usik has become popular in the

931
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,679
UK also, he won his gold medal there in the Olympics.

932
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,480
He obviously fought Anthony Joshua there he beat him twice,

933
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,159
although once in Saudi Arabia. He's beat other fighters in

934
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:54,360
the UK, including Dubois, maybe not Wimbley. But could they

935
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,519
go to like where Connor Benning Ubank at the Tonhem Hotspur,

936
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,400
which is like sixty something thousand, and do aadium fight

937
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,400
for Usak and Parker. I don't think that's out of

938
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,119
the realm of possibility, or you could. He doesn't have

939
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,559
to be in a big state. You can't forget about

940
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:09,719
the the Wembley Arena. You can put that fight at

941
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,800
the O two Arena and sell twenty thousand tickets. I

942
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,239
have brought out of my mind so the mental gymnastics

943
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,880
that people are doing about why it shouldn't be Parker,

944
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,320
and I don't hear them say it should be somebody else.

945
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,360
I've heard some people suggested it should be a Tuma.

946
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:27,679
I mean, he's got a fight coming up. All due

947
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,280
respect to the young man, but that's that's he's proven

948
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,079
ready for that mandatory and.

949
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,599
Speaker 1: He's proven nothing on the championship level. Yet Let's see

950
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:37,519
Hi improve something on the championship level, and that's a

951
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,199
twenty twenty six fight if Usak's going to keep going.

952
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:44,599
Speaker 2: So my hope is very simple. Alexander Usik, the number

953
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,559
one fighter in the world pound for pound, the undisputed,

954
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,840
undefeated heavyweight champion, the Hall of Famer and waiting gives

955
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,280
the man that deserves the opportunity more than anybody in

956
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,320
the heavyweight division the opportunity. It is a mandatory. It

957
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,239
is Joseph Parker, a good guy and a good fighter.

958
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:01,639
He deserves and Usik has never been a guy to

959
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,280
duck guys that should one hundred percent be the fight.

960
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,760
It's not, in my opinion, there's no debate because there's

961
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,840
there's not even like a number two guy where you

962
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,679
can make the front of it. It's not like it's

963
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,760
close and it's like, well, maybe it should be. I

964
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,039
don't want to hear about a third Theory fight. I'm

965
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,480
gonna make the point I've made before. I'm not opposed

966
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:20,599
to a third usikin Theory fight at all. I'm opposed

967
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,840
to it being next new Blood. He's fought Joshua twice,

968
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,960
Duboa twice, Theory twice. Let's let's spread things out. Let's

969
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,519
give the guy that deserves the shot the shot.

970
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: And let's let Tyson Fury proove something against somebody else

971
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,960
before he goes and fights Alexander Usik and loses again.

972
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,039
I'm just putting that out there on on the recap pot.

973
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:45,000
All right, Bootsanas has re signed with Matchroom Boxing a

974
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:50,480
multi fight extension. Uh what does this mean in terms

975
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,199
of lucrative fight or two next? What are you hearing

976
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,119
about what might be next? I mean, obviously this is

977
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:56,840
one of the dominoes that he re ups with them.

978
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the contact was coming up. They've had

979
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,360
a good relationship. Gather Boots made the comments and his

980
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,599
his when they made the announcement that he likes, he

981
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,199
likes working with Eddie Herd and matrom Boxing and they

982
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,000
go to the you know, go to the mat to

983
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:10,519
try to make him a start. They've done a good

984
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,400
job in terms of putting him where it made sense.

985
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,039
They've had him fight two times in his hometown in Philadelphia,

986
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,719
in the major arena there, where they did a lot

987
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,920
of ticket sales. They brought him to the Boardwalk Call

988
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,400
in Atlantic City, which is only like a half an

989
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,679
hour away. They were able to get that fight done

990
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,280
with Amanta. Stanionis for him to unify the titles. So

991
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,239
those are the three fights he's had with Mattrim. He's

992
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,400
won all three. He looked pretty good in all three.

993
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:33,880
He's drawn big crowds for all three. He became a

994
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,280
unified champion, which was the goal that he had. Now

995
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,760
he's on to one hundred and fifty four pounds, and

996
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,519
and and Eddie made the point ed he heard made

997
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,960
the point that when they announced is that you know that, yeah,

998
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,400
he's fighting at home. But there's not a lot of

999
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,519
American boxers that you can say in their last three

1000
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:56,239
fights sold like an excess of thirty thousand tickets. I mean,

1001
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,239
there's maybe a few, but it's very it's a small

1002
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,400
small group. So from that perspective, Boots is doing his thing.

1003
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,079
But then you wonder who's gonna fight. There's been a

1004
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,400
lot of conversations about he's turned down, this guy turned down,

1005
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,960
that guy wants X number of tune up fights, whatever.

1006
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,840
But if he's willing to fight the guys, there are

1007
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,559
some outstanding matches in that division. Now there's Fandora. I

1008
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:17,599
don't think that's happening.

1009
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,079
Speaker 1: He ain't.

1010
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:19,559
Speaker 2: No one's gonna let you.

1011
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:23,199
Speaker 1: Want thirty minutes. You want me to say the name

1012
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,679
Bachram again? That could Could that happen? Is it realistic?

1013
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,159
Speaker 2: Even the realistic fight, the fight that I believe is

1014
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,400
the most doable, that makes a lot of sense for everybody.

1015
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,719
That would definitely draw a crowd in a multitude of

1016
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,280
places where you could put it. They've already had discussions

1017
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,679
about the fight in the past, and it is a good,

1018
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,960
good style matchup. I mean, honestly, if you were making

1019
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,079
a list of like your top ten or fifteen fights

1020
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:49,000
in boxing you'd want to see. I dare say a

1021
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,920
lot of people would put this on their list. And

1022
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,840
that's Boots and it's against Virgil ortiz j. That's a

1023
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,639
can't misfight. They've already been talking some ship with each other.

1024
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,239
They're both exciting fighters to watch. They both have different

1025
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,760
skill sets, they both have different things that they're They're

1026
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,559
good at everything, but they both have different things at

1027
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,039
they're best at. Like Boots is a really skillful boxer

1028
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,400
even though he does punch. Virgil is a good boxer

1029
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,920
but has got tremendous punching power. I just think that's

1030
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,920
a fantastic fight, and Junior midlewaight, it's a very good division.

1031
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:19,079
Speaker 1: Knowing realism meter, is that a six or a seven

1032
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,719
that it realistically could happen later this year, early next year.

1033
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean, well, Kurk Turkey's already offered to do the fight,

1034
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,840
so I think absolutely it's doable. To me, it's not

1035
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,719
even about Virgil Ortiz, It's about whether or not Boots

1036
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,760
Ennis will accept that fight without saying he needs to have,

1037
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,360
you know, fourteen tune up fights. I mean, if you've

1038
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,360
given up your world championship to go to the next

1039
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,079
weight division. By the way, I'm not opposed to having

1040
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,000
a tune up fight, right, but a tune up fight

1041
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:44,400
is in a time where you're not fighting once or

1042
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,800
twice a year. You want to fight three times a year, Fine,

1043
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,760
take a tun enough fight, get yourself used to your

1044
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,880
new weight division that's going on with it. I always

1045
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,840
think to myself, this is just one example. When Shane

1046
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,679
Mosley was lightweight champion and he decided to vacate the

1047
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:59,400
title and he was going to wealthy, he skipped over

1048
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,159
one hundred and four and in the longer term there

1049
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,320
was there. Everybody was sort of working towards making the

1050
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,480
fight with Oscar de Laya, who at the time, you know,

1051
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,840
was the superstar in the welterweight division. He took two

1052
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,320
fights against very credible opposition, he won them, and then

1053
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,800
they didn't mess around and they right away made after

1054
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,199
that second tune up fight or get used to the

1055
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:19,760
new weight class fight, whatever you want to call it,

1056
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,039
they made the Oscar fight. The Boots wants to have

1057
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:23,760
a tune up fight, so called tuna fight at one

1058
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,639
to fifty four, I have no problem with that. And

1059
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:28,039
then go into that fight saying we're doing this fight

1060
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,440
and we've got the Virgil Artist fight done for whatever

1061
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,079
the date is, uh, and you know this location as

1062
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:34,119
long as I win and I'm on.

1063
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: Making too much since again Rayphael.

1064
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: But but Boots, I'll say this, whoever he fights, Uh,

1065
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,440
he's gonna be a problem for a lot of guys

1066
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,400
at one hundred and fifty four because he's got the speed,

1067
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,239
he's got the experience, the league.

1068
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: He gets hit a lot. So stay tuned now at

1069
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,880
the bigger weight and in particular an Ortiz fight or

1070
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,119
a backroom fight that stay tuned.

1071
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: But keep in mind about Virgil Ortis. Virgil spent most

1072
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,519
of his career as a fifty, as a forty seven,

1073
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,960
and a forty pounder also, so he's not a you know,

1074
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,199
he's obviously put on the weight and he couldn't make

1075
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:06,679
those weight classes anymore, but he's also come up from

1076
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:07,679
the smaller weight classes.

1077
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Okay, one more thing before we're out of here,

1078
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,719
and that is an intriguing British fight rematch where Lewis

1079
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,480
Crocker and Patty Donovan will meet for the vacant IBF

1080
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:25,119
welterweight title. And this will be in September, and it

1081
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:30,920
was a controversial disqualification in the last fight, so elaborate

1082
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,360
on all of it, including the date and where so.

1083
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: They will fight. This fight will be on his own.

1084
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,360
It's a Mattrium card. It's September thirteenth. It's going to

1085
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,199
take place at what they called the Windsor Park in

1086
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:43,880
Belfast and outdoor soccer state of holds about eighteen to

1087
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,679
twenty thousand. You may remember from several years ago Carl

1088
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,159
Frampton fought fight there that was a big deal, Joe,

1089
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:56,280
big crowd. So in terms of Crocker and Donovan, both Irish,

1090
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,800
it's going to be the first ever all Irish world

1091
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,679
title fight, which is amazing when you think about it,

1092
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:02,159
when you think of all the Irish fighters and all

1093
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,559
the world title fights that have taken place among the

1094
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,440
Big four organizations. But disapparently is gonna be the first

1095
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,840
time two irishmen will meet for it. You always Ireland

1096
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,599
proper one is from Belfast and Northern Ireland, so you

1097
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,280
know the two Irish countries if you will.

1098
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: But this and this, by the way, is the belt

1099
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,599
that Boots in us vacated one of them to move up.

1100
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so I was going to get to that. So

1101
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,559
when they fought the first time, this was a fight

1102
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:28,280
that took place, you know, several months ago. That was

1103
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,880
the title eliminator to produce Boots Ennis's IBF mandatory challenger.

1104
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:36,119
And obviously Boots has decided to move up and wait,

1105
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,920
so we vacated the title, so before he vacated the

1106
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,800
title once that fight had taken place. So if you

1107
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,079
remember back what happened, they were trying to become the

1108
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:49,679
mandatory and Donovan had totally dominated the fight, was kicking crockers.

1109
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:53,239
We're in, had dropped them in the eighth round and

1110
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,519
and had heard them, and then later in the round

1111
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,920
landed a tremendous right hook. It landed like a split

1112
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:02,199
second after the belt ended the round. Marcus McDonald, who

1113
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:05,000
was the referee, was way out of position. Nobody the

1114
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,239
referee or the two boxers heard the bell because it

1115
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,599
was so loud in the arenas, and it wasn't a

1116
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:15,119
very loud bell, and it was an unfortunate situation, and

1117
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,679
clearly no one was trying to do anything on purpose.

1118
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:20,880
It was not a purposeful foul, but it did land

1119
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,280
like a split second after the bell, and Marcus McDonald

1120
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,119
disqualified Donovan. Donovan's team protested to the IBF at they

1121
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,599
weren't looking for a title shot necessary, They were just

1122
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,199
looking to have the IBF order an immediate rematch in

1123
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,840
the title eliminator. The IBF did that, and after that occurred,

1124
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,360
I believe I have my timing right. Boots decided I'm

1125
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,800
vacating moving up, so it only made sense. And if

1126
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,440
you're going to put these two men in the ring,

1127
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,559
Donovan and Crocker for the eliminator and the guy who's

1128
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:50,039
the champion vacates, okay, you know what, forget about the

1129
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:51,800
eliminator status. We're just going to make this for the

1130
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,119
vacant title. So that's what's that stake here. They fought

1131
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:57,239
the eliminator, now it's for the vacant title because Boots vacated.

1132
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:02,559
Donovan was totally dominating Crocker. But Crocker, you know, understandably,

1133
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:04,039
you know, he's like, hey, I did get hit after

1134
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,039
the bell. You never know what's actually gona happen, even

1135
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,119
though he was really hurt in that fight. And so

1136
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,400
here they go, they're gonna do this fight. Donovan is

1137
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,000
fourteen and one with eleven knockouts, but in my estimation,

1138
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,880
much better fighter than Crocker, who is undefeated at twenty

1139
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,679
one to zero. Look, Donovan is is is from like

1140
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,519
I said, he's from Ireland. Crocker is gonna be in

1141
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,239
his hometown. He is from Belfast, So that's gonna make

1142
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,360
it crazy. You know the Belfast fans if you've watched

1143
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,840
you know the Frampton fights are Michael Conlin fights, like

1144
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,199
they're very passionate. You gotta love it. And you know what,

1145
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,519
because of the stakes and now that it's for the title,

1146
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,719
because of the location, they're gonna have it in this

1147
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,159
Windsor Park, which is going to be quite the scene,

1148
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,719
all the stuff that happened in the first fight, with

1149
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,239
the with the wild ending, like I'm interested in to fight.

1150
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,679
Here's the only bad part. It's on the same day

1151
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:56,320
as Canelo Alvarez against Terrence Crawford, so I'll be probably

1152
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,280
watching that on a day or so delay put it

1153
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:58,800
you like that.

1154
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,639
Speaker 1: It'll be earlier in the day though, and you intend

1155
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,440
to be out in vade me. I know you will be,

1156
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:06,280
but let's just see what happens. But right, it'll be

1157
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,800
a big deal if and when that happens. We're September,

1158
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,559
but the.

1159
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: But it'll create a crowd, and you know what, this

1160
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,079
is the type of drug.

1161
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: We say this all the time. This is you were

1162
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,320
talking about Japanese boxing earlier in the pod. We say

1163
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,280
this all the time. The sport is worldwide. We love

1164
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,280
the fact that it's worldwide. This is a big deal

1165
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,960
in the UK and in Ireland in particular, so we're

1166
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,440
going to be on that. We love it. Whether we're

1167
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,360
talking about Australia, South America, you and I live in

1168
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,639
the United States. We obviously primarily lean towards that. There's

1169
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:41,079
fifty seven other shows that lean towards England, Europe and

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the UK, so we get that this will be a

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big deal in the UK, that is for sure.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: With that, we have been here a little while. I

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think we are good to come off the weekend and

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to head into the month of August. Are we not

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including the Japanese fight card that will wrap up July

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midweek before you and I are back?

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Speaker 2: Correct sir, I.

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Speaker 1: Think we are there. We go. He's merely Dan Rayfield.

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Fightfreaks Unite is his substacking newsletter. Go find it there.

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I am nearly TJ Reeves. Thank you for being with

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us here on the podfat podfeed. Go find us as

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well on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. Great original

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content there interviews Dan and I going back and forth,

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preview mode, recap mode, nostalgia, Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

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Subscribe and like us there and help us out. If

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you enjoy the content and again follow, subscribe and like

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we're good off the weekend on the Fight Preaks Unite

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