Speaker 1: I do not accept and do you guys that Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk lost his life because he really pissed off.
Speaker 2: The trans lobby.
Speaker 1: It terrifies me to think that on a day that
Speaker 1: Charlie died, I got multiple phone calls from people who
Speaker 1: said that me and me and Tucker should lay low
Speaker 1: because we're also on the list. And they never told
Speaker 1: us who specifically told them that. By the way, now
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why they never told us who specifically told
Speaker 1: him that.
Speaker 2: I called Tucker.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm hearing her, you're hearing something I'm hearing
Speaker 1: up there saying that we're next. And now I go,
Speaker 1: was that supposed to be a threat to me and
Speaker 1: Tucker to have us watch the public execution of a
Speaker 1: friend of ours and then to call us and to
Speaker 1: say you should lay low for a little bit because
Speaker 1: you guys were hearing that you guys are on a list?
Speaker 1: Was that just supposed to be a threat?
Speaker 3: As is now a bi weekly occurrence, Candice Owens has
Speaker 3: again dropped a bombshell, multiple bombshells. Actually, I'm going to
Speaker 3: start by talking about a very interesting tidbit that I
Speaker 3: don't think you should be focusing on I know that
Speaker 3: that sounds weird that I would start with that, but
Speaker 3: it'll make sense. So Cannis Owons had a basically document
Speaker 3: dump and proved out many of her claims that she
Speaker 3: made almost a full month ago. Now that people have
Speaker 3: been just constantly lambasting her, where's the receipts? You liar,
Speaker 3: you liar, you liar. Then she delivers the receipts, and
Speaker 3: now it's how could you possibly put out text messages
Speaker 3: that were supposed to be private about a man who died,
Speaker 3: and how dare you? It's like, oh, so you just
Speaker 3: whatever she says and whatever evidence she has to back
Speaker 3: up her claims, you're just going to blaster regardless. Essentially
Speaker 3: what you're saying is shut up. Candis owns. We're not
Speaker 3: interested in the truth of who took out Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: We are just interested in controlling the narrative and making
Speaker 3: sure that the guy who we currently have in custody
Speaker 3: is prosecuted and put to death, regardless of the facts.
Speaker 3: That's actually what you're in. Now we're on the same
Speaker 3: page here. I get exactly what you're doing, all right,
Speaker 3: So let's start with the story that is interesting but
Speaker 3: probably not something you should be totally focused on Josh Hammer. Now,
Speaker 3: Josh Hammer is a very important figure in this story,
Speaker 3: and I definitely want you to focus on him, But
Speaker 3: this aspect of the story I think could be a
Speaker 3: misdirect to a certain degree. Both prior and after Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk's assassination, Josh Hammer inexplicably tweets out public execution. The
Speaker 3: first one he actually does it with a quote tweet
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump from a dozen years ago, where Trump
Speaker 3: is talking about how there should be public executions because
Speaker 3: then it'll send a message and it'll stop this shit,
Speaker 3: and he just says, based Okay. At the time, I
Speaker 3: couldn't really remember the context of that day in that
Speaker 3: news cycle. I went back and I looked, and in fact,
Speaker 3: I was talking about Arena, the poor girl who had
Speaker 3: been killed on that train, and I think that's probably
Speaker 3: what he was referencing. It is in to note, though,
Speaker 3: and I think it's very important that people understand the
Speaker 3: context of this. In Josh Hammer's own admissions, that night,
Speaker 3: the very night that he sent that out, he was
Speaker 3: having a conversation on that zoom call, and I know
Speaker 3: it was with a rabbi and Charlie Kirk, he said others.
Speaker 3: So I think that there may have been one or
Speaker 3: two more people. I do not know who they were
Speaker 3: on that call, but they were having a conversation about
Speaker 3: how Charlie would address any critiques of Israel during his
Speaker 3: campus tour. Now that's how they frame it.
Speaker 4: So now we actually spoke literally the night before his
Speaker 4: tragic and untimely death. I was on a small zoom
Speaker 4: call with him in a couple others. We were literally
Speaker 4: talking through this topic. I was giving Charlie advice for
Speaker 4: how to message on this issue on his forthcoming campus tour.
Speaker 4: You know, he kind of jokingly mentioned me. He was like, Josh,
Speaker 4: I'm going to mention your book his Rule and Civilization,
Speaker 4: and it's so good. And that was literally our last conversation.
Speaker 4: It's just so tragic. This letter that he wrote to
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister Chris I read back in junior July
Speaker 4: or so, and there were so many people in the
Speaker 4: aftermath of his horrific assassination. Can the Zeblin's folks like
Speaker 4: that who were saying that, oh, Charlie was turning on
Speaker 4: the Israel. He was ready to sell them out and
Speaker 4: renounce his life's work of sincere and genuine friendship with
Speaker 4: the Jewish people in the Jewish State. But this letter
Speaker 4: that he wrote to beating Anto Yahoo, Chris literally begins
Speaker 4: the first sentence of the letter is I'm paraphrasing here,
Speaker 4: what's a close paraphrase as a Christian, one of my
Speaker 4: greatest joys in life is making friendships with the Jewish
Speaker 4: people and defending the state of Israel. That's literally the
Speaker 4: opening sentence of this letter.
Speaker 2: Filth.
Speaker 1: Okay, absolute filth. I don't understand it. I can't comprehend it.
Speaker 1: Whatever that is that lives in him does not live
Speaker 1: in me. There's no truth in him. Obviously, there is
Speaker 1: no truth in Josh Hammer. He could have said, well,
Speaker 1: Charlie was going through forty eight hours earlier. Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 2: He refused to that.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we will never know the truth of those conversations
Speaker 3: because I can't trust josh Hammer, and you should not
Speaker 3: trust Josh Hammer. And I'm going to prove to you
Speaker 3: that this man is a just overt liar, despicable liar.
Speaker 2: That's a fact. I'll show you.
Speaker 3: So that night he's having this zoom call with this
Speaker 3: is Charlie the Rabbi Josh Hammer, maybe one or two others,
Speaker 3: and they're having this conversation about how he's going to
Speaker 3: deal with these critiques of Israel. However, I'm I'm interested
Speaker 3: now because of the because of the receipts, because of
Speaker 3: the text message screenshots that were put out by Candice
Speaker 3: Owans and confirmed by Andrew Colvitt of TPUSA.
Speaker 5: Started this show to address some of the things that
Speaker 5: have been going around on public, namely about a text
Speaker 5: a group text chain that has been made known and
Speaker 5: released by Candae Owans. And I just want to dress
Speaker 5: it head on because you know, that was a text grab,
Speaker 5: a screen grab that I had shared with people, so
Speaker 5: it is authentic, and I want to go into it
Speaker 5: because I actually am really excited that the the truth
Speaker 5: is out there so.
Speaker 3: We know these are real. I want to be very
Speaker 3: clear about that, and it's that's the story. So we're
Speaker 3: going to get into that in a second. But I'm
Speaker 3: very interested to know given that just the night prior,
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk had said I have no choice but to
Speaker 3: abandon the pro Israel cause. Were they actually just giving
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk a coaching lesson on how to be a
Speaker 3: better defender of Israel? Or was this again, yet another
Speaker 3: potential intervention to try and bring him back onto the plantation.
Speaker 3: I think that's a question that we really need an
Speaker 3: answer to, and I'm not sure that we'll ever get it,
Speaker 3: but it would be very telling if that were the case.
Speaker 3: The reason I say this is because that's the big
Speaker 3: document dump from Candice is that in fact, everything she
Speaker 3: alleged about how Charlie was in fact openly discussing his
Speaker 3: intention to abandon the pro Israel pro zionis cause just
Speaker 3: forty eight hours before his life was taken, that is
Speaker 3: true that happened. Does that mean that Israel killed him? No,
Speaker 3: it doesn't. I want to be crystal clear about that.
Speaker 3: But the fact that that happened factually, and instead of
Speaker 3: the people that were on that text chain acknowledging that
Speaker 3: Cannice Owen's claims were true, all of them, all seven
Speaker 3: of them, stayed totally silent about it, and some of
Speaker 3: them actively and overtly lied intentionally to misrepresent Charlie's emotions, mindset,
Speaker 3: outlook and potential motives for why he might have been killed.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to believe that he had that dramatic switch,
Speaker 1: so he went from I'm done to like, hey, love you,
Speaker 1: how can I be of more service to you? And
Speaker 1: then in that exact same day, he was texting people
Speaker 1: saying they are going to kill me on the same
Speaker 1: day that he's on the zoom call. Is a fact
Speaker 1: that at the same time, that same day, he's texting
Speaker 1: people saying they are going.
Speaker 2: To kill me.
Speaker 1: And we are supposed to deduce from this that by they,
Speaker 1: what he really meant was Tyler Robinson. He meant they
Speaker 1: them duh, like a non binary person or a trans person.
Speaker 1: They were going to kill him. That was what he
Speaker 1: had a feeling about. And everything else is just completely irrelevant.
Speaker 3: Deeply disturbing, and something that needs if there is an
Speaker 3: actual investigation happening, which I'm not even sure there is
Speaker 3: at this point, but if there is, and if you're
Speaker 3: not interviewing these people, that's a big problem. So, as
Speaker 3: I said, the story that's kind of irrelevant in my
Speaker 3: opinion is that then after the attack happens again again,
Speaker 3: Josh Hammer posts public execution, no details, nothing else. And
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, Okay, so you've just seen you've just seen
Speaker 3: your buddy. I mean, this is allegedly I don't think
Speaker 3: he was, but you've just seen your buddy brutally publicly executed,
Speaker 3: and you're just randomly tweeting that out. Now, obviously the
Speaker 3: defenders of him are coming out and saying, well, he
Speaker 3: was talking about the guy who took out Charlie. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, maybe there was no context whatsoever. So
Speaker 3: just prior to the attack he's saying this, and right
Speaker 3: after the attack he's saying this, and he's giving no
Speaker 3: context whatsoever. And if you're familiar with the conspiracy theory world,
Speaker 3: you're already familiar with the term revelation of the method,
Speaker 3: where essentially like they have to tell you what they're
Speaker 3: going to do before they do it, and they leave
Speaker 3: these little breadcrumbs that aren't provable and it just causes
Speaker 3: people to spiral out. But it's some sort of obligatory thing.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's like Illuminati or whatever,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to go down that path because
Speaker 3: it is not provable. So if you want to look
Speaker 3: at those messages and come to the conclusion that yes,
Speaker 3: he was in on it, and he was doing this
Speaker 3: and he was notifying the world and he was sending
Speaker 3: a message.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but I'm not going there.
Speaker 3: What I want to focus on is that after one
Speaker 3: of his close confidences, there's seven people on that text chain.
Speaker 3: One of those guys was Josh Hammer, confirmed by Candae Owns.
Speaker 3: He then went on a media circuit where he's just
Speaker 3: talking about how it's totally false. Charlie has never been
Speaker 3: more in for Israel. He just loves Israel. Do that's it.
Speaker 3: There's no nuance. Candie Owens is a liar. She doesn't
Speaker 3: have any proof of this, and he just overtly lied.
Speaker 4: And it was really only over the past I don't know,
Speaker 4: a year and a half or so that I would
Speaker 4: say that we became closer and we started talking very frequently.
Speaker 4: He formed a small group chat there, probably seven or
Speaker 4: eight of us total in this group chat there. He
Speaker 4: called it his brain trust, his brain trust for thinking
Speaker 4: about Israel, for thinking about Jewish Christian relations. He was
Speaker 4: very concerned about rising anti Semitism, so we talked a
Speaker 4: little bit about that sort of stuff frankly, but above
Speaker 4: all we really strategized, but how to turn back the
Speaker 4: tide against rising anti Semitism and anti Israel sentiment on
Speaker 4: the American right in Republican Party circles among young gen
Speaker 4: Z conservative activists. Because of that, he did organize this
Speaker 4: zoom call the night before he tragically was murdered, So
Speaker 4: basically before he set foot the first event, he won
Speaker 4: a kind of an hour long kind of prep call.
Speaker 4: So it was me, a right wing rabbi friend of
Speaker 4: mine who lives in Jerusalem, pays off Willicky, a couple
Speaker 4: of his producers, and there was one Christian pastor and
Speaker 4: that was basically it. And Charlie had a list of questions.
Speaker 4: You know, how do I respond when the students asked
Speaker 4: me about starvation, famine, genocide, borders, two state solution, this,
Speaker 4: that there. But the mere fact that he was seeking
Speaker 4: our council, I mean, communicated on a virtually daily basis
Speaker 4: through this active group chat and one on one. The
Speaker 4: fact that we were doing that, along the fact that
Speaker 4: he had that particular zoom call with people like me
Speaker 4: the night before he was killed, I think really profoundly
Speaker 4: calls into question this narrative that he was getting ready
Speaker 4: to renounce his well established lifelong support for the Jewish people,
Speaker 4: for the state of Israel.
Speaker 3: I need you to think to yourself why that is
Speaker 3: now the obvious and seemingly or somewhat benign answer is that, well,
Speaker 3: he's just a propagandist. He's just a paid propagandist for Israel.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's that simple, but I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: I feel about it. I feel like that's really really suspicious.
Speaker 3: How could you not be suspicious of that? You have
Speaker 3: a guy who built his empire, the Tpusa Empire, over
Speaker 3: a dozen years or whatever it was, much of which
Speaker 3: was being done with Zionist donor money, be that Jewish
Speaker 3: Zionists or the Christian evangelicals that have a similar worldview
Speaker 3: when it comes to Israel. And Charlie Kirk in these
Speaker 3: messages is saying, just lost another major donor two million
Speaker 3: dollars out the door, and I'm not going to be bullied,
Speaker 3: and I have no choice but to abandon the pro
Speaker 3: Israel cause.
Speaker 1: So Charlie writes in this group chat, just lost another
Speaker 1: huge Jewish donor two million a year because we won't
Speaker 1: cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Somebody writes, oh,
Speaker 1: Charlie writes, Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes.
Speaker 1: I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving
Speaker 1: me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause.
Speaker 1: So again, this is forty eight hours before Charlie cobsasaity.
Speaker 1: He was very clear, and he was very explicit, and
Speaker 1: he did not back down out in that Hampton's meeting,
Speaker 1: which they're all lying about, nor in this text thread.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to reveal the names of the other seven. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, I disagree with myself four seconds ago.
Speaker 1: Let's just throw in Josh Hammer for fundzies.
Speaker 3: He's on this chat, okay, instead of just telling the
Speaker 3: truth about that, which is the obviously right thing to do.
Speaker 3: If you're actually interested in justice for your friend, well
Speaker 3: then say, yeah, Candace is right. He was having a
Speaker 3: hard time. Donors were pressuring him because of his platforming
Speaker 3: of Tucker carl and Dave Smith, et cetera, and his
Speaker 3: relationship with Candace, and they wanted him to part ways
Speaker 3: and he refused and they started to rip funding from him,
Speaker 3: and yeah he did. He talked about you know, they
Speaker 3: could have spun it. They could have said, well, he
Speaker 3: was just you know, venting, and he was thinking, maybe
Speaker 3: I gotta go a different direction because I gotta keep
Speaker 3: the doors open. But he still loved Israel, like they
Speaker 3: could have spun it.
Speaker 2: That way. They didn't. He just lied.
Speaker 3: He just lied overtly, over and over and over again
Speaker 3: during an active murder investigation. He lied about a glaring
Speaker 3: potential motive for him to be taken out. If you
Speaker 3: find that acceptable on any level, there's something deeply wrong
Speaker 3: with you. And I'm referring to James Lindsay and all
Speaker 3: these other pro Israel pundits that have absolutely lost their
Speaker 3: mind in any sense of or semblance of justice in
Speaker 3: their concern with this story, because that is a huge
Speaker 3: misdirect that in the early hours of an investigation, everything matters,
Speaker 3: All of the pertinent information about potential motives matters so much.
Speaker 3: And we're talking in just a few days after and
Speaker 3: all of these people stayed quieter. They lied, but not
Speaker 3: one of them did not stay totally quiet though, And
Speaker 3: this is an important thing for you guys to know.
Speaker 3: Andrew Colvitt came out. He was basically, you know, the
Speaker 3: pr rep for TPUSA and Charlie's kind of right hand man.
Speaker 3: He acknowledged on his show yesterday that these texts were real.
Speaker 3: That's how we know factually that they are.
Speaker 5: That was a text grab, a screen grab that I
Speaker 5: had shared with people. So it is authentic, and I
Speaker 5: want to go into it because I actually am really
Speaker 5: excited that the truth is out there.
Speaker 3: And basically what he says in it is that he
Speaker 3: had screenshotted those messages and sent them to a government official.
Speaker 5: I wanted to not betray my friend's trust in that way,
Speaker 5: but I did share it with some people in government
Speaker 5: because it happened really quick. It was you know, it
Speaker 5: took thirty three hours for authorities to get their suspect,
Speaker 5: and that in those first moments, we wanted no stone unturned,
Speaker 5: We wanted to leave nothing unturned. So I shared it
Speaker 5: with a few people. Don't know where it went from there, apparently.
Speaker 3: But here we are, so I don't know if that
Speaker 3: was FBI or what, but clearly he thought that they
Speaker 3: were pertinent. And I want you to really take a
Speaker 3: minute with that fact that Andrew Covid, Charlie's second in command,
Speaker 3: more or less, had these messages and he thought that
Speaker 3: they were meaningful enough that he screenshoted them and he
Speaker 3: and he sent them to law enforcement. So everybody coming
Speaker 3: out in the aftermath of Candice Owns dropping these receipts
Speaker 3: and saying this proves nothing. This is irrelevant. This doesn't
Speaker 3: tell you anything. One of his best and closest confidants
Speaker 3: screenshotted them and sent them to law enforcement right after
Speaker 3: Charlie was killed. Why would he do that if he
Speaker 3: thought it was irrelevant.
Speaker 2: He didn't.
Speaker 3: He thought it was relevant, thought it was a potential lead.
Speaker 3: That's not Candace Owens. That's not Dave Smith or Ian
Speaker 3: Carroll or Clint Russell. This is not anyone who's anti
Speaker 3: Israel by any stretch of the imagination, at least not
Speaker 3: that we know of publicly. Who thinks that the fact
Speaker 3: that he was having funds pulled from TPUSA by a
Speaker 3: pro Israel donor and that he had decided that he
Speaker 3: had no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause
Speaker 3: was an interesting tidbit that law enforcement needed to know
Speaker 3: about when it came to his murder, his public assassination.
Speaker 3: He thought that not me. So does that fact matter,
Speaker 3: You bet your fucking asst does. I don't know if
Speaker 3: there's anything that matters more. It may be the lead
Speaker 3: potentially that opens this case up. And Candace Owens had
Speaker 3: these screenshots in the week after I don't know how
Speaker 3: many days after Charlie Kirk was killed, and she was
Speaker 3: talking about it openly, and guess what she did. And
Speaker 3: this is so fucking brilliant. I'm left almost speechless about it.
Speaker 3: In hindsight, it is now obvious that Candis Owans had
Speaker 3: these screenshots of these messages when she first started talking
Speaker 3: about it, and she did not put that put those
Speaker 3: out because she wanted the seven people on that chain
Speaker 3: to go out and defend it and see how they acted. Now,
Speaker 3: Candis has been dragged through the mud mercilessly for kind
Speaker 3: of stringing this along and not putting it out rapidly.
Speaker 3: And I understand I was actually very frustrated she wasn't
Speaker 3: putting out proof sooner. But in hindsight you got to
Speaker 3: really respect what she was doing. Because Candas owns wants
Speaker 3: justice for Charlie Kirk. I believe that strongly. But she
Speaker 3: is not an investigator, she does not have subpoena power,
Speaker 3: she is not law enforcement, right, so what does she have?
Speaker 3: She has a bully pulpit, She has an enormous platform
Speaker 3: by which she can apply pressure.
Speaker 2: So what does she do?
Speaker 3: She puts out unverified claims about this text message chain,
Speaker 3: and unverified claims as to Charlie's mentality when it came
Speaker 3: to a multitude of issues when it largely regarding Israel,
Speaker 3: and she makes it clear that there are other people
Speaker 3: that know this factually, and she just continues to apply pressure, saying,
Speaker 3: I want them to publicly disavow me. Do it, and
Speaker 3: these pathological, lying sociopaths do because they have no self control.
Speaker 3: They come out just week after week blasting her for
Speaker 3: almost an entire month, just trying to destroy her reputation, career,
Speaker 3: everything else. And then once everyone has basically given up
Speaker 3: on her actually dropping these receipts, she goes, oh, here
Speaker 3: you go. Here they are. Now you get to see
Speaker 3: how full of shit some of these people that were
Speaker 3: in Charlie's inner circle are. Now we don't know who
Speaker 3: all seven of these people on the chain were. My
Speaker 3: understanding is that basically three or four of them we
Speaker 3: don't know it at this point, and she's promising that
Speaker 3: she's gonna release them day to day. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's true. I'm not sure it's really particularly relevant.
Speaker 3: But what we do know is that Andrew Covidd was
Speaker 3: on it because he acknowledged it. Josh Hammer was on
Speaker 3: it because he lied about it. Again, Yeah, he was
Speaker 3: on that chain. And then I think she also said
Speaker 3: that the pastor who came out and criticized Candace and said,
Speaker 3: I wish you would be the friend to him that
Speaker 3: Charlie was to you and not do this. So yeah,
Speaker 3: basically we've got one person behaving semi honorably because he
Speaker 3: at least turned it over to law enforcement, though he
Speaker 3: did not come out and defend Candice Owens, which I
Speaker 3: think is cowardly. And then we've got two overt liars.
Speaker 3: So you now know that his second in command, Andrew Covid,
Speaker 3: he believed that these messages were important enough that they
Speaker 3: could be a potential motive or at least of interest
Speaker 3: to the investigation. We know that for a fact. And
Speaker 3: we also know that Josh Hammer and that pastor believed
Speaker 3: that this was damning enough that they needed to go
Speaker 3: out and lie about it.
Speaker 6: As he was preparing for his campus tour, he decided
Speaker 6: that he wanted to have a meeting. Josh Hammer was
Speaker 6: on the call, you know, Josh and I was on
Speaker 6: the call and a couple of Charlie's staff to talk
Speaker 6: through Israel issues. He was really grappling with these issues.
Speaker 6: I know that he's also having meaningful conversations with people
Speaker 6: who are anti Israel, and that's and that's fine, and
Speaker 6: he's going to do that, and that's all part of
Speaker 6: who Charlie is. He's going to expose himself to every
Speaker 6: to everything.
Speaker 7: I remember right after October seventhough I was a little
Speaker 7: concerned about some of the things he was saying afterwards,
Speaker 7: and I wasn't so emotional. I realized Charlie was looking
Speaker 7: at a lot of the Israel America stuff through the
Speaker 7: America first lens. I was looking at it through my
Speaker 7: family's in Israel, my son's joining the IDEF. I was
Speaker 7: looking at it through that lens.
Speaker 6: And I was very and just your Jewish national identity.
Speaker 7: The fact that he was meeting with you to refine
Speaker 7: his talking points. I assumed there was a lot of pushback.
Speaker 6: When when you know that reporter asked me what the
Speaker 6: mood of the meeting was, and I said it was combative.
Speaker 6: He was he was really grappling with these issues. He
Speaker 6: was getting pulled in different directions. And I understand that
Speaker 6: there's also within him a very faithful Bible believing evangelical Christian.
Speaker 6: If that wasn't there anchoring him, but a positive orientation
Speaker 6: towards Israel, he undoubtedly would have been much further along
Speaker 6: into the anti Israel camp, with whom he shared a
Speaker 6: lot of opinions, and that's where he annoyed people in
Speaker 6: the Jewish community with some of the criticisms he had
Speaker 6: for Israel.
Speaker 3: So that's three people of the seven that are essentially
Speaker 3: telling you everything you need to know. Those messages, his mindset,
Speaker 3: his shift when it came to Israel was meaningful. It mattered.
Speaker 3: It was not a lie, it was true. They lied
Speaker 3: for a reason, and you need to find out why.
Speaker 3: We need to find out why. If we had an
Speaker 3: active federal law enforcement agency headed up by someone who
Speaker 3: didn't look like he was high out of his mind
Speaker 3: on cocaine, there might be a chance that we get
Speaker 3: those answers. But since Cash Mattel isn't interested in actually
Speaker 3: getting to justice on this or anything, apparently, I guess
Speaker 3: it's left to us.
Speaker 2: And are we going to be perfect? No, we're not,
Speaker 2: because we're not.
Speaker 3: Professionals at this stuff, but we're at least interested in
Speaker 3: the truth and we're driving towards it. So to that,
Speaker 3: I will say, Candice, I'd tip my hat. That was
Speaker 3: very impressive you don't have subpoena power. But what you
Speaker 3: basically just did was interrogated seven of his closest confidants,
Speaker 3: and they came up wanting and some of them came
Speaker 3: up overtly lying. And that matters a lot, because when
Speaker 3: someone is publicly assassinated, a political figure and a man
Speaker 3: who is actually at the head of a large, maybe
Speaker 3: the largest young political empire, when it came to influence,
Speaker 3: you should not and cannot ignore any potential motives when
Speaker 3: it came to who may have been responsible. And I
Speaker 3: regret to say this because I did not want to
Speaker 3: put any sort of shade or doubt or concerns about
Speaker 3: anyone in Charlie's inner circle unless I had proof of it,
Speaker 3: Because if I do that wrongly, then that means that
Speaker 3: I'm basically putting public pressure on people who are like
Speaker 3: genuinely innocent and in mourning. That's an evil thing to do.
Speaker 3: It's like the what happened with Ox Jones and Santio.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go down that path, especially like
Speaker 3: I've seen so many conspiracy theories when it comes to
Speaker 3: Charlie's wife.
Speaker 2: I haven't talked about it at all.
Speaker 3: I want you guys to note that, because if she's
Speaker 3: not involved, then you were attacking a widow like that
Speaker 3: is so so deeply fucked up. Now, I'm not saying this,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but if I don't have fucking ironclad proof,
Speaker 3: I am not gonna blast anyone that was close to
Speaker 3: Charlie because that's super wrong to do. But guess what,
Speaker 3: Josh Hammer, Now I know that you were a liar,
Speaker 3: and I already knew you were a liar because of
Speaker 3: Dave Smith telling that story about how you basically came
Speaker 3: in and glad handed and just talked shit with him
Speaker 3: and just having just a just a ton of fun.
Speaker 3: Right before you went on that TPUSA stage in Florida
Speaker 3: and debated Dave a couple months ago and said it
Speaker 3: was all gonna be above the belt, and then as
Speaker 3: soon as you walked on stage, you said, I'm disgusted
Speaker 3: to share the stage with this guy. Shouldn't even be
Speaker 3: up here. You're a fucking scumbag. And I already knew that,
Speaker 3: and actually I said it on an episode like a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I knew you were a bad guy.
Speaker 3: I didn't know you were this bad, but now I
Speaker 3: do now I know that you are a pathological liar,
Speaker 3: not just a propagandist. You're not just a probably paid propagandist.
Speaker 3: You are a dangerous misinformation agent. That's what you are.
Speaker 3: You were in Charlie's inner circle with seven of his
Speaker 3: closest confidants, and he was telling you how he felt
Speaker 3: about X, Y, and Z. He was doing these zoom calls,
Speaker 3: and you were coaching him up maybe or maybe you
Speaker 3: were pressuring him. Who knows, but regardless, in the aftermath
Speaker 3: of his murder, when we're trying to figure out who
Speaker 3: killed him, allegedly your friend, one of your close buddies, right,
Speaker 3: and you lied to the public. And as far as
Speaker 3: I'm concerned, if you lie about a friend who just
Speaker 3: got murdered and it's proven that you lied, you immediately
Speaker 3: become a suspect. I just think that's the rational way
Speaker 3: to look at it.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm not saying you pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I think that you may have had
Speaker 3: knowledge of this, And how could I not feel that way?
Speaker 3: After I now that know that you were in the
Speaker 3: inner circle being told these things and then immediately pivoting
Speaker 3: and lying about them overtly and aggressively for we I
Speaker 3: have to now suspect you as having knowledge, and I
Speaker 3: honestly think that's the only fair way to view it.
Speaker 3: And I'm not the only one fill in this way,
Speaker 3: because this is the first like real potential motive that
Speaker 3: had been intentionally covered up that we now know factually
Speaker 3: is true, so much so that even two guys are
Speaker 3: now reassessing, reopening the case, if you will, Nick flint
Speaker 3: Is and Dave Smith.
Speaker 8: I think that's where maybe it makes sense they killed
Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk because there's some recognition they are that desperate,
Speaker 8: Like it is, that is a desperate hour for them.
Speaker 8: When they're losing absolutely everybody isolated, they're not winning the debates,
Speaker 8: they can't win it with the soft power, censorship, suppression,
Speaker 8: the rest of it. Do they then resort to total
Speaker 8: chaos crisis? You know, these kinds of operations that you know,
Speaker 8: because it's sort of like the Emperor has no clothes.
Speaker 8: It's like you said, in our lifetimes, we've never seen
Speaker 8: something like this.
Speaker 2: Can they lose?
Speaker 8: Will they tolerate losing?
Speaker 2: What is that? Actually?
Speaker 8: And I think that's going to be resolved in the
Speaker 8: next like six months, So it's going to be kind
Speaker 8: of freaky.
Speaker 3: So, as I said in the week after the attack,
Speaker 3: I didn't have any proof, so I wasn't going to
Speaker 3: make any claims or even really assertions as to who
Speaker 3: was responsible or if any foreign intel or domestic intel
Speaker 3: was involved. But I said, if you think that there
Speaker 3: wasn't capacity, you're crazy. If you think that these, if
Speaker 3: these messages from Candice Owns are in fact verified, that
Speaker 3: there wouldn't be motive, you're crazy. Well, we now know
Speaker 3: that those messages are verified. So if you still think
Speaker 3: that it's impossible that a foreign intel agency or domestic
Speaker 3: would actually do this to Charlie Kirk, I'm going to
Speaker 3: call you crazy because it's possible. And I need to
Speaker 3: take a minute to criticize a whole hell of a
Speaker 3: lot of people, because in the aftermath of a tragedy
Speaker 3: like this, I respect anybody who wants to just mourn
Speaker 3: and stay quiet. What I really don't respect is coming
Speaker 3: out and talking loudly and basically running a smoke screen
Speaker 3: for the murder of someone who is supposed to be
Speaker 3: your friend. And right now I'm talking to Jack Posovic,
Speaker 3: I'm talking to all of the Magga Inc. People who
Speaker 3: have just said over and over again in this cult
Speaker 3: like Mantra, I saw a leftist murder Charlie Kirk, and
Speaker 3: I saw them celebrate it. He just keeps saying this
Speaker 3: over and over again, like once a week he's posting this,
Speaker 3: You didn't see a leftist murder Charlie Kirk. That may
Speaker 3: be what happened, but you didn't fucking see it, And
Speaker 3: you are lying when you say you have you did
Speaker 3: not see it. If you have footage that actually shows it,
Speaker 3: well then do the right thing and put it out
Speaker 3: because you haven't and I don't think you have, and
Speaker 3: you've never said you did, so you're just I don't
Speaker 3: know what you're doing. Are you trying to convince yourself.
Speaker 3: You're fucking low IQ following I don't know who who
Speaker 3: are you trying to convince with this Jack deeply, deeply concerning.
Speaker 3: And these guys did countless events with one another. I
Speaker 3: think they were on like the same show a ton
Speaker 3: of the time. So I don't I don't understand this,
Speaker 3: and I don't understand Benny Johnson, any of these guys
Speaker 3: that are just like basically throw the book at Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2: Case closed.
Speaker 3: It's over, it's I'm I am honestly suspicious of everybody
Speaker 3: at this point. I'm just being honest. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't get it. Maybe I'm just built different. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: the only person that actually functions in a way that
Speaker 3: I expect friends to function that Like, if I see
Speaker 3: my good friend brutally murdered in a public fashion, I
Speaker 3: am going to burn everything to the ground until I
Speaker 3: find out who did it. Why would I not? I mean,
Speaker 3: if you don't feel that way, are you their friend?
Speaker 3: So this is my honest opinion. And then simultaneously we
Speaker 3: have you know, biby Netnahu coming out and denying it
Speaker 3: over and over and over again, so many, so many
Speaker 3: weird things. But the report that just broke a week
Speaker 3: ago was that the influencers are getting you know, big
Speaker 3: for posts and defense of Israel.
Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking to myself, like, is that all
Speaker 2: this is? Like?
Speaker 3: Are was Charlie's inner circle just filled with boton paid
Speaker 3: for Shills's That's a distinct possibility, And honestly, that's like
Speaker 3: the most benign explanation. The alternative explanation is like they're
Speaker 3: not just boton paid for shills, they're actual operatives like
Speaker 3: we have to consider that if you think that there
Speaker 3: hasn't been intelligence agency infiltration into the independent media space,
Speaker 3: you're just not thinking. Of course there has been. Of
Speaker 3: course there is. There's no doubt in my mind. So
Speaker 3: maybe that's why. Maybe that's why you guys won't say
Speaker 3: a fucking word about all of the inconsistencies in the
Speaker 3: FBI narrative. Maybe that's why, I don't know. I would
Speaker 3: love for you to just do the honorable thing if
Speaker 3: this guy was your friend, to actually, I don't know,
Speaker 3: back up Candice owns assist her in this investigation, to
Speaker 3: make sure that you have the right guy. So it's
Speaker 3: it's three things, basically, bottom paid, four shills, actual assets themselves,
Speaker 3: or cowards. There is no good answer if you look
Speaker 3: at this case and you're just saying they got the
Speaker 3: right guy, one hundred percent, open and shut. I have
Speaker 3: no doubts about it. I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 3: you're looking at. I don't know what you're looking at.
Speaker 3: So my only assumption at that point is you're one
Speaker 3: of those two things, or the third one, which is
Speaker 3: you're just a pussy. You're just scared to death because
Speaker 3: you saw him get murdered. In brutal fashion, and that's
Speaker 3: very human to be a bitch about it. But I
Speaker 3: want to ask you this, do you intend to live
Speaker 3: the rest of your life on your knees? Are you
Speaker 3: just going to cower forever? Are you just going to
Speaker 3: let your friend die and have no justice? Just totally
Speaker 3: in vain? You're gonna bite your tongue forever? Are you
Speaker 3: just gonna turn a blind eye to obvious lies that
Speaker 3: are coming from the federal agencies when it comes to
Speaker 3: this investigation? Is that what you're going to do forever?
Speaker 3: Because if that's who you are, well, then who cares
Speaker 3: about living or dying? You've already kneeled, nelt whatever, and
Speaker 3: you're the resistance, your maga. You make America great again
Speaker 3: on your knees already. How do you expect to get
Speaker 3: this country off the mat if you can't even fucking
Speaker 3: stand up yourselves? And I think the answer is you won't.
Speaker 3: You have no intention of doing so. You're fucking cowards.
Speaker 3: You have no business having an audience or at least
Speaker 3: talking tough as it.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're fighting the deep state. You guys aren't doing shit.
Speaker 3: You're cashing checks, your cowards, and you're letting your friend
Speaker 3: die and get no justice because you're whatever, whatever the
Speaker 3: reason is disreputable and in an adjust world it would
Speaker 3: be career destroying, like your audience should abandon you. That's
Speaker 3: just the truth. Reminds me of Dan Bongino talking all
Speaker 3: that shit, talking so tough. Oh don't don't you dare.
Speaker 3: Let the FBI let this Epstein narrative go and they
Speaker 3: they know the truth, They know the truth. Then he
Speaker 3: gets to be deputy director of the FBI and he goes,
Speaker 3: there's no there, there such frauds. And let me just say,
Speaker 3: I'm not making this. You know, it's not even an allegation.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying the potentiality of some of these people
Speaker 3: being assets. I'm not just putting on the table for
Speaker 3: no reason. Pasovic, who does not know who killed Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk despite his assertions to the contrary, is up on
Speaker 3: Capitol Hill today and what's he talking about. He's saying,
Speaker 3: we got to use this moment to basically destroy.
Speaker 9: The left, and mister President, I think the situation is
Speaker 9: getting worse when you look at people like Luigi Maggioni
Speaker 9: in his twenties, Thomas Matthew Crooks of course, who took
Speaker 9: a shot at you, sir, the ice shooter in Dallas,
Speaker 9: and now this Tyler Robinson. We're starting to see a
Speaker 9: pattern of more and more murderous violence. And this same
Speaker 9: violence is not just random, it is targeted assassinations which
Speaker 9: are getting worse. And every single one of us in
Speaker 9: this room that goes out there, and obviously he was well, sir,
Speaker 9: and all the staff, we are now under that threat
Speaker 9: every single day. But mister President, we need to do
Speaker 9: something about this because I fear that.
Speaker 2: The next one.
Speaker 9: Who could be killed could be sitting at this table
Speaker 9: right now.
Speaker 3: It's like we don't know anything about antifa's involvement in
Speaker 3: the attack on Charlie Kirk. Sure, maybe it's possible, show
Speaker 3: me the fucking proof, or at least show me Tyler
Speaker 3: Robinson associating with them and then also holding the gun
Speaker 3: and then also firing the shot and anything. They don't
Speaker 3: even have the bullet matched up to the gun yet.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, But that doesn't stop him. He's up on
Speaker 3: Capitol Hill going any of us could be next and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So I just want to end with this.
Speaker 3: If you think that the incredible injustices and violations of
Speaker 3: our rights that happened after nine to eleven is the
Speaker 3: only time that the federal government has taken advantage of
Speaker 3: a crisis to base increase their power and to diminish
Speaker 3: your rights. You're wrong, And I know most of you
Speaker 3: are not stupid, and you know this. This is what
Speaker 3: they do over and over and over again. Every single
Speaker 3: crisis is used to diminish your rights and increase state power.
Speaker 3: If you think that's not what's happening after the Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk assassination, you're just not thinking. So I want you
Speaker 3: to think very deeply. Because I am not a fan
Speaker 3: of Antifa, obviously. I'm also not a fan of radical Islam, obviously,
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that I loved radical Islam because
Speaker 3: I opposed the Patriot Act. Right, we can all agree
Speaker 3: on that. I hope at this point the spying apparatus
Speaker 3: that basically diminished our privacy rights. Right, we can all
Speaker 3: agree on that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I want you to really think deeply
Speaker 3: before you greenlight the existing federal government, which appears to
Speaker 3: not be acting with any semblance of autonomy or respect
Speaker 3: for the American people, and just saying yeah, we go
Speaker 3: after Antifa, label them a terrorist organization, do whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, while we're at it, we're
Speaker 3: also going to be just hitting ships hell fire missiles
Speaker 3: coming from Venezuela. Are we going to provide any evidence
Speaker 3: that these people are actually drug traffickers?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Does it even matter? Not really, because it's like, if
Speaker 3: you're a drug trafficker, should you be extra judicially murdered?
Speaker 3: I would argue probably not. And if you think that
Speaker 3: they should be, I just want you to recognize that
Speaker 3: if you're going to greenlight that, don't be surprised when
Speaker 3: they start doing that to Americans, don't be surprised. And
Speaker 3: if you're going to allow them to label Antifa a
Speaker 3: domestic terrorist organization and just let them violate their rights
Speaker 3: and do whatever they want to them, well, doors open
Speaker 3: the barn. Door it do be open. We have a
Speaker 3: justice system already. We already have laws that say if
Speaker 3: you commit violent acts or do all sorts of things,
Speaker 3: all sorts of things that I'm sure Antifa is guilty of,
Speaker 3: big viol during protests and everything else, prosecute them.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 3: It's like these hate speech and hate crime you know,
Speaker 3: add ons to crimes. When it's like a murder, it's
Speaker 3: like you're going to prison forever. Anyways, why are we
Speaker 3: creating additional layers of legality and identitarian clarifications when it
Speaker 3: comes to the legal system. No, not American. You don't
Speaker 3: need to be labeling American citizens as terrorists because the
Speaker 3: terrorism labeled. Despite how you feel about Antifa, and as
Speaker 3: I said, don't like them, but the number one reason
Speaker 3: that the federal government calls anyone a terrorist, and that
Speaker 3: includes foreign and domestic, is because they intend to violate
Speaker 3: their rights egregiously. And once that door has been opened,
Speaker 3: you will not close it. If you guys enjoy this episode,
Speaker 3: please do hit the like button subscribe shared around. I'm
Speaker 3: so glad I did an episode without crime. It has
Speaker 3: been obviously very challenging, and I have cried every day.
Speaker 3: It's only been two days, multiple times per day, and
Speaker 3: I miss him terribly. But everything I said in that
Speaker 3: episode really got my point across, and it was one
Speaker 3: of the most beautiful, tragic events of my life. And
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the responses
Speaker 3: I got from it. I can't tell you how many calls, texts, dms,
Speaker 3: everything emails even I'm just being flooded, and I'm glad
Speaker 3: that it helps so many people, because that was the
Speaker 3: overwhelming sentiment I was getting from people, was other than
Speaker 3: you know, prayers and sympathy for what I was going through,
Speaker 3: that it really did help a lot of people with
Speaker 3: their loss, either future or past. It was super profound
Speaker 3: and beautiful and I really appreciated it. So it helped
Speaker 3: me a lot, and I'm glad I can help you,
Speaker 3: and it makes me feel better about putting that out
Speaker 3: where I'm just a blubbering lady boy. And I want
Speaker 3: to give a special thanks to Scott Horton, Brett Weinstein,
Speaker 3: Dave Smith, who are you know, my high profile friends
Speaker 3: if you will, that all did the same, you know,
Speaker 3: sent me text message and it was it was great.
Speaker 3: You know, that's when you I feel like, that's when
Speaker 3: you know this is real. These are real friends. These
Speaker 3: are not just people on the internet. So a lot
Speaker 3: of you guys, even though we've never met, you uplifted
Speaker 3: me in my time of need. And I hope that
Speaker 3: my uh exposing myself in that way assisted you as well,
Speaker 3: and it sounds like it did, so that's beautiful and
Speaker 3: I just want to give another special shout out to
Speaker 3: Dave Smith, who, as I said, had Nick funt Is
Speaker 3: on today. I just want to encourage you guys to
Speaker 3: watch it. It's you know, it's over three hours long. I
Speaker 3: watched the entire thing found it really fascinating personally. I
Speaker 3: didn't find any of it controversial or worthy of deplatforming,
Speaker 3: any of the nonsense that I'm sure people will be demanding.
Speaker 3: But I think it's like, that's the real fight. And
Speaker 3: actually Dave mentioned me at the end of the show
Speaker 3: because I talked to him at length. I'm sure most
Speaker 3: of you watched that episode. Whereas, like I was, I
Speaker 3: was really encouraging him. You know, I really wanted him.
Speaker 3: I wanted Scott. I would love myself to like, let's
Speaker 3: do this. This one does Greiper. Shit ain't going away,
Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen. It is clearly going to be a
Speaker 3: major player when it comes to what the America First
Speaker 3: Movement ends up ultimately being.
Speaker 2: And this is the divide.
Speaker 3: It's the Dave Smith, you know, Messssian Rothbarty and Libertarian camp,
Speaker 3: the Ron Paulians versus the Buchananites or whatever whatever politician
Speaker 3: everyone does would like to be represented by and I
Speaker 3: just think that it's a really interesting it's a really
Speaker 3: interesting opportunity to challenge ourselves, their audience, our audiences, and
Speaker 3: if we believe we're right. I ain't running, and I
Speaker 3: know Nick ain't and I know Dave ain't. So this
Speaker 3: is this is what needs to happen. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't even perceive these people as you know, my enemies
Speaker 3: or competition or anything like that. Like I want to
Speaker 3: improve this country, I want to improve the world, and
Speaker 3: I think the way we do that is not an invention.
Speaker 3: And it's just like, all right, well, is it not
Speaker 3: an invention with an identitarian bet or is it just
Speaker 3: not an invention with the libertarian bent? Let's hash it out.
Speaker 3: So again, I'll put out the offer I already emailed him,
Speaker 3: didn't hear back. I'm small time compared to Nick at
Speaker 3: this point, so if he ignores me continuously, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get but hurt about it like
Speaker 3: Nick does with other bigger shows. But whatever, he is
Speaker 3: welcome to come on, and I would I would obviously
Speaker 3: be respectful.
Speaker 2: I think he's a very interesting guy and I hope
Speaker 2: we can do that.
Speaker 3: But regardless I'm I hope you guys will watch the
Speaker 3: episode with Dave and Nick.
Speaker 2: Very interesting.
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