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Speaker 1: All right, let's get out to the hotline.
Speaker 3: Welcome in former BYU great former NFL quarterback, the quarterback
scientist of three DQB.
Speaker 1: We got John Beck on the line, Gine, how that
ca are you? Man?
Speaker 4: I'm doing good? Ben? How are you guys doing good?
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, this season, right has been one of glory. Right,
it has been a fantastic season, and you really have
to realize, like going into this last half of the season,
Aaron Roderick, the OC said, this is going to be
the toughest stretch of BYU football in BYU football history.
I'm like, you know what it's It arguably is and
BYU is five and one in that span.
Speaker 1: Pretty special, no doubt, absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean the way they're playing ball in all three
phases and to do so many of these things on
the road against teams that are traditionally been pretty tough
to play on the road. And I know that some
of these teams maybe you could say like haven't quite
been the same, like Iowa State's been so tough on
the road and they've been a little bit tougher in
years past, But you still have to do it in
the moment. You know. A lot of the times you're
finding out afterwards some times that oh, hey, you know,
these teams lose a couple in a row. But I
also think it's because they're playing BYU. I think it's
because of just how good of an all round team
BYU is and how physical, Like you look at how
physical the defense plays, how physical BYU is in the
run game. I think a lot of these teams when
it's you know, the day after and two days after,
I think there's a lot of guys on the teams
that they play that are just probably a bit beat
up as they head into that next week having another
opponent because they're playing BYU.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a difficult schedule.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt still the the SEC Big ten pundits
and analysts don't want to give the Big twelve as
much credit, but by you only can compete with the
schedule that's before it, and they've proven that they are
I think a top ten team. How do you see
BYU right now? Are they a top ten team in
college football?
Speaker 4: I think they should be. I can see just because
of the past and the way that some of these
decision makers view some teams that are fringe teams, I
can see why it feels like they want to say, well, oh,
you know, we can't guarantee them a spot. Here's here's
my take on it. I think that when you when
you get to hear the people that watch BYU football play,
meaning the guys that are commentating on the game, that
are a part of the crews that have seen BYU
multiple times, it seems like they're the ones that stand
up and say, oh, this is a really good BU
football team. This is a football team that has what
it takes to be in the playoffs. You look at
what they do, what they've accomplished, the teams they've beat,
how they beat them. I know outside people want to say, well,
if they beat Arizona, it should have been by more. Well,
Arizona's a pretyva good football team beating a lot of
people this year. And even though you can say it
would have looked better to beat them like a different way,
how about the fact that BYU is still beating those
teams every single time they play them, and they're doing
it in tough moments, like really good football teams have
to win tough moments. You look at the Utah game
right now. You know Utah is nipping on BYU's hills
like most people have them a spot behind YU. And
you look at the way that BYU won that game, Like,
to me, those are where the people that really truly
see BYU, they know what they're looking at, they know
how good of a team they are. What BYU has
to do now is just try to control their own destiny.
And I think that's why, Like, look, this thing's probably
going to end up being decided by the Big twelve
championship game. And I know we talked about it last week,
but what an awesome opportunity if it does come down
to that, to get to play the same Texas Tech
team you played a few weeks ago, and really everything
is on the table right everything you could hope for
as a team, as a player of go out win
that game. Now, there's no questions asked.
Speaker 3: John bear Bachmeier didn't have his best game fifteen to
twenty five, one hundred and twenty seven yards five point
one yards per attempt. He did run the ball thirteen
times forty six yards three point five yards per attempt
in one touchdown. RG three kept on saying, Hey, he's
a linear runner, not at north south runner, not an
east west runner.
Speaker 1: What did you see from Bear?
Speaker 3: What did you like and what does he need to
maybe improve a bond heading into the final stretch of
the season.
Speaker 4: Well, I think this is was a very gritty per
by Bear. I think that you could see at the
end of the game what he's playing through and how
he's battling like crazy. I know, from a statistics standpoint,
a passing standpoint, all of those things like it wasn't
a great night for him, but you know, look, every
young quarterback has those during his journey. Bear has started
every single football game. That's a huge accomplishment for how
much he's ran the football this year, for the way
that he's played, to be able to play every single
snap of the games that he's been in, to carry
the guys and the team the way that he has,
it's been super impressive. I think that like any young quarterback,
like I was saying, they are going to experience some
games where it's tough, your battling through something, and your
run game carries you and your defense carries you, and
that's okay. Any young quarterback that's gone on to be
a really really good quarterback looks back and has some
of those games that you go through and you just do.
And this is where the team around BYU, I mean sorry,
the team of BYU around Bear really stood up and
show just how good of a football team they are,
right like this is around Bear. This is an exceptional
football team. Look at LJ. Martin a load that he
carried to go and set his ring. You know, I
think it was most yards right that he's done, and
you get to hear some of the statistics in all
of the categories that he's leading the Big Twelve. If
we are sorry, if BYU wants to beat really good
football teams, it has to be because they are a
team that is well rounded that when it's a little
bit of a tough night on a young quarterback in
the passing game, that the run game steps up and
plays the way that they played. And I just hope,
you know, we got to get Bear healthy. We got
to get keep guys healthy, get Chase, you know healthy,
all of those things need to happen over the next
few weeks in preparation for what looks like can be
a big game for the championship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how deemed up Chase is, LJ is
Bear is right now? Do you think they all three
of those guys play versus uc after Do you think
some of these guys are held out in that UCF
game at home?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know what, that's that's kind of a tough
one to say, because the one thing you don't want
to do is you don't want to, you know, walk
into a game ever being like, hey, guys, look like
this is an easy one because I I've been a
part of one game like that when I was in college,
where like I was kept out of a game because
we were playing a team that hadn't won a single
game in like fourteen weeks or twelve weeks. Like, you know,
there are some situations where the coaching staff does approach
a player and say, hey, look, we know you want
to play, but in the best interest of what's going
to happen the week after and going forward, you know,
we really like we have to set you down because
this team we're playing against really is so bad I
don't know, I had to look at UCF on tape
or anything like that, Like I'm not sure what their
situation is like. But I do think, you know, you
have to be smart in what the signal sends to
the rest of the team, Like it has to be
an opponent that you really can and you're not concerned
in the slightest to make that happen. I think if
it's a game that that you know could be competitive,
if the other team absolutely shows up, then you got
to be smart about it. Then it might be something
where it's like, hey, if we get a lead by
x amount, we're shutting people down rather than just going
into a week saying, hey, we are going to not
play you this week. And so I think that's what
kind of matters is how the team views UCF. But
I do think doing things to get guys healthy. I
think in some cases there's nothing you can do, it's
just a part of this season, and then in other
guys cases, it can make a huge difference. I remember
in that game that happened to me, I remember feeling
very frustrated because it's like you don't like, you don't
even let that enter your mind that you might not
be playing in a game because you want to be
on the field, and you have to kind of like
swallow your pride a little bit, or you have to
look at the betterment of what's actually the best thing
for the football team, what's the best thing to win
a huge game the following week, and I will say,
like I remember that I did feel better, like the
injuries that I was trying to battle through, it did
make a significant difference to not play a game on him,
And so that that could be the case for those
guys at u AU.
Speaker 3: When you saw Bear take that hit to his throwing
shoulder and he was win singing pain as he trotted
off the football field, what was your reaction to it?
Speaker 4: I know what that feels like. You know he's he
When I'm trying to think of the right way to
say this without saying too much, here's the thing. It's
just part of the way that things are being played
right now, and what can happen to a quarterback playing
that style and yet what you have to do in
the passing game. It's not uncommon for quarterbacks to have
to push through a similar injury, but because of the
style that Bear plays, it's something that's kind of like
you just are crossing your fingers, like, let's hope that
he doesn't get hit in certain ways where then that
thing slares up even or everybody's pushing through things. But
as a quarterback, when you have things that you're dealing with,
you know, shoulders, lower half, ankles and knees, those type
of things. I have a number of quarterbacks that I'm
helping that, you know, ankle injuries. For a quarterback man,
because of the ground and the force production and delivering footballs,
ankles and shoulders, you can play through them. But man,
it is just tough because like a little hit here
or there, certain throws that you need certain juice on,
or you're accustomed to throwing a certain way. It's just
those can be tough. And I just think, you know,
we got to see a little bit on, you know,
in front of everybody, what playing that position and battling
through an injury looks like in a really tough kid.
I mean, Bear is a super tough kid, and you
could see like he goes to the side and it's
painful and he's battling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wonder if it'd be best to sit him
in the UCF game and maybe give McKay Hillstead or
tracing borgaish whoever is winning that QB two spot.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's where, like you're smart about it,
like what's the situation of that team, like what like
what level are they? You know? I think that it
could be something where you see BA you say, look,
we're gonna have everybody because it's young players, right, It's
not like it's not a veteran player, like they're still young.
He's only got what eleven stars under his bed will
consider a young player, you might have him played the
beginning and if BAU gets out to a good lead early,
then make a change, you know, just because every opportunity
that bear gets right now to face the opponents. But
sometimes when you're talking about more like juniors and seniors,
guys that just have so much experience already, they might
be the ones like a Chase, like an lj of
saying like hey, like we're going to be good, like
we got this. Let's completely give your body the rest
that it needs because we absolutely need you in a
huge way. And I remember that conversation, like the conference,
this next game can determine the conference, and we have
to think about how important that game is compared to
this one right here that I know you want to
be in, but we don't necessarily need you in.
Speaker 1: John LJ.
Speaker 3: Martin had one of the best rushing performances in BYU
football history when you take into account maybe location, opponent,
ramifications of conference championship and College Football Playoff berth. He
had thirty two carries two or twenty two yards six
point nine yards per carry, two touchdowns. He also had
three receptions forty four yards, and he was involved in
past pro as well, So a lot of reps, a
lot of productivity, a lot of just grit. There a
lot of physicality with him. I believe from a total
rushing standpoint total rushing yards, that's like number five or
number six in total rushing yards from an individual and
an individual performance at BYU.
Speaker 1: Where do you think you ranked.
Speaker 3: This rushing performance all time in BYU football history. We
saw Curtis do some magical things when we were there.
We saw Harvey as well right after you. Jamal Williams,
Tyler Algier has had some great games, and Luke Staley
had some phenomenal games.
Speaker 1: Where do you think that rings out?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know LJ has to be
up there with all of those guys. I love all
those guys so much. Had the opportunity to be around
Luke a little bit when I was a freshman and
just blown away by how somebody that big and muscular
could be that fast and that explosive. And I think,
you know, got to play with Curtis and Harvey, both
two unbelievable backs, and we've got to see you know,
aw jir there there's been a stretch of guys that
are just so so talented, and I've been so impressed
with LJ the entire time he's been at BYU. What
an impressive young man. I mean, how muscular and the
balance like he is such a physical runner that just
gets off so many tackles and has such great balance.
And I think you have to My guess is that
there are NFL teams, you know, watching him. They will
show up in pregame warm ups because they want to
see him. Why, they want to be upfront and personally
see what his body looks like. And they're taking that
in during pregame warm ups, and then they are watching
him in the game just shed off so many tacklers
and run through tackles and bounce off hits. I mean
that to take that hit that he took last night
and to stay on his feet and I'm sorry not
last night on a Saturday night and run forward. I mean,
I've just been so impressed with him, and I know
the physicality that he runs with. He is a guy
that his body. I mean, he is probably in ice
tubs doing tons of treatment. I mean I remember being
around like a guy like Willis mcgahey in the NFL
and Ricky Williams, very very physical runners. But you see
what they have to do every day for their body
so that they can continue to run that way throughout
the course of a season. And so you know, those
guys that run the way the LJ does are just
absolute warriors. And it's been so awesome as somebody that
loves BAU football and watched what he's done and how
that's helped this football team. That performance on Saturday night
was especially because of where this team is at vying
for I mean, arguably one of the biggest conference games
Yu's played, will play in all of their whack you know,
Mountain West, all of the conferences that they've been a
part of to help carry a team on the way
to what could be one of the biggest ever conference games.
You know that they've played in. I mean, it's just
so impressive. And we're lucky to have a back like
lj at Yu and to do what he's done. It's
been awesome.
Speaker 3: They're at the Cincinnati game. Something controversial happened, John. I
know you remember at the Church of Jesus Christ the
Latter day Saints. Another F the Mormons chant emerged at
the Cincinnati game. These are typically coming from the student sections, right,
And so I have a I have probably more grace
than some. But there has been violence that has occurred
amongst the Latter day Saints this past year, where there's
been attacks on churches and deaths and murders.
Speaker 1: Is it Is it a big deal? Is it not
a big deal?
Speaker 3: You know, I've I've always said, hey, you can say
F B YU, but just don't say F the Mormons.
Speaker 4: Right. I mean, look like like we've been players, right,
and so F B y U F the Mormons. I
mean you play at Wyoming their entire stadium. One site
says F the next side says the other site says
B YU. And you know, I mean, look I'll admit
I've had it so much you just kind of laugh
at it because it happens all the time. Yeah, like
the f the Mormons, like you know. I mean I
can remember in pregame warm ups student sections that are
there early, right, the student sections love those things, you know.
I mean, look, as a member of the church, something
that means a lot to me. I wish they would
choose something different they don't. I think it was absolutely
amazing what the church did and donating the gigantic donation
that they did to their like their food pantry for students.
You know. I think those are the types of things
that there are some people that they could care less. Right,
They're going to do their thing no matter what. I
think the hope would be that maybe there's a few
people afterwards that think about what they were saying and
maybe take into consideration like what the church stands for,
Like the Church stands for Christ. The Church stands for
goodness and love and compassion and forgiveness and caring for humanity.
And are you know the church went out and made
a gigantic donation for humans because a christ Like act
is caring and loving others. And I would hope that
maybe there's some people that in that student section maybe
pause to think about once they learned the full magnitude
of what was done for their university by the church,
and then what happened afterwards, and maybe just pause and say,
maybe that wasn't the best thing. Because all we can
hope for, right is change, change for the better, right,
Like everybody's going to make mistakes, Like everybody in their
lifetime is going to say things that they look back
and regret. And you know what student sections. I grew
up going to Arizona State football games, and so I
heard a lot of things yelled by student sections, and
you know, it's part of just what happens sometimes on
game day, and you know, things build, and you know,
you can get into the psychology of things of how
people follow others, you know, and I'm sure the alcohol
and everything. I mean, look, it is what it is. Like, yes,
it would be way better if it didn't happen, but
it did. And I think at the end of the day,
if there's some people that can pause and recognize, like,
let's think about what really we were yelling at, Like
we were saying f the people that were just doing
all these kind acts like and then we can just
hope that, you know, something changes and it's better. And
I'm sure there's going to be something that happens with
the university. I'm sure there's going to be something where
the university probably stock talks to their student body. There
may be some type of fine by the Big twelve.
I mean, ultimately, do I think the F BYU or
f the Mormon chance are going to go away because
of it? No, Like, it doesn't go away. It's been
happening forever. It's going to continue to happen. But I
would just hope it would be awesome if some people
could be influenced by the goodness and recognize, you know,
what the church is trying to do with the kind
things that they do.
Speaker 3: John Beck, Ladies and gentlemen, former b YU great former
quarterback talking some BYU football.
Speaker 1: John.
Speaker 3: For those that are tuning in right now, I know
we're getting into late November. Now, what does three DQB
provide to quarterbacks this time of the year.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we already have some people coming down
during the Thanksgiving break getting some work in. What I
have seen is a lot of people in their season ends. Well,
here's this I'll say, the best thing I think I
can do is you need to sit down and review
all of your tape. Go back through all of your tape,
because this is a way to extract all of the
information that can help you grow as a player. A
lot of kids and I suggest this, like go play basketball,
Go do another sport, Go and start working and build
your athleticism different ways. But finish the season by extracting
what you can extract, work and improve just a little
bit more. You don't have to still be playing games.
We have a lot of guys down here and down
throughout this week and throughout the weekends in December where
it's just before basketball hits, before baseball starts again at
the turn of the year, like all of these things,
like they're just trying to find ways to improve a
little bit more having gone through the season. And we
have guys that will say, hey, I'm going to pull
some clips. Can we get sit down and can we
go through some of my clips together so that I
can see what your I see, so that I can
improve going into this next offseason. Because what happens a
lot of time with multi sport athletes is they don't
get as much time in the winter spring, and so
they're trying to pull what they can right now, build
on a few things so then once they finish their sport,
they hit the ground running, know exactly what they want
to work on for the upcoming season.
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the mental game. To you guys, Delvin Day, it all
as it pertains to a quarterback play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know this, Like for example, today, today's a
big day for the collegiate quarterbacks to go through some
mental stuff where there's situational of you know, what they
were experiencing in situations in the game leading up to
the game during you know, the roller coaster ride that
a quarterback goes through during a game. You have to
have tools to handle those situations. This is why experience
matters so much. You know, you you gain so much
by going through the experience. But what I've seen is
if you can start the acquisition of the correct tools,
then as you go through those experiences, you're sharpening those tools,
rather than going through the experience and then wondering, oh,
my gosh, Like what tool did I need for that?
And then you're trying to acquire it during the season.
Use this the season as an opportunity to sharpen those tools.
And like I said, today's a big day of where
I get on the call with a bunch of collegiate
players that are, hey, here's what I experienced, here's what's
going through, here's my notes of the game and the
things I want to improve on from an oceal standpoint,
and mentally, you just want to be so sharp and
you have to be able to ride through the storms
like an experienced sailor. Right, You're not like I've been here,
I know what to do, you know, But like when
the crowd's yelling, when the communication is tough, when the
coaches are responding a certain way, when you've had certain outcomes,
maybe you've had an interception early, maybe you've taken a
few poor sacks. How do you not let those experiences
alter who you are as a football player. So you
can go out and you can play one play at
a time, and all that matters is you're at your
very best on that giving play.
Speaker 3: John Beck, ladies and gentlemen, John always a pleasure man
if BYU gets to the Big twelve Championship game and
they lose a close one versus Tech. I hope they
get into the College Fotball playoff and they get over
the hump. Do something that we weren't able to do, right,
just get over that hump. And I mean, it's just
a it's been a special season, but in the modern era,
it's it's been a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it eats at me that b YU.
Speaker 3: We since nineteen ninety six we have been able to
get over to hump, whereas Boise State and UCF and
Utah and TCU and just go down the list, Northern
Illinois even they all kind of got over the hump
when we could.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that there is I view those some
of those things as its multi year meaning when when
Boise State was able to do it, it wasn't And now, look,
a stattician might be able to go back and prove
me wrong. I'm just kind of going off the top
of my head, but you know, I think that it's
because the season before the great season, you know, needed
to be much better. A lot of the times you
need to have a ten eleven win season before you
have the season that gets you over the hump, like
going six and six, going seven and five, something like that,
like or you know, seven and six, like those type
of seasons, and then trying to follow it up with
a great season, like you need to start higher, You
need to be people be aware of you a little
bit more. You don't want to start the great season
with close losses in the beginning and then all of
a sudden it hit a stride where you're on fire
and you can go play with anybody. Like it helps
to finish the season with eleven wins, go into a
season with people saying like, man, this could be a
really good football team. You're on their radar, and then
when you start winning early, you start moving up faster
and sooner. Like I think some of those Boise years,
some of those TCU years, even some of those Utah years,
like look at the season before it. They had a
good season before it that helped put them on the map,
and then they started out hot and that's why they
were able to climb, and so you're viewed differently. I
believe when you've done it for a few years. That's
why I actually think like this one BYU, I think
has the best chance it's had because of last year's season,
because of how they started, how they've flown up early,
you know, and you only have a loss against arguably
you know, Texas Tech may end up top top four.
You know, they're top five right now, like they could
be one of the teams that ends up getting a buy.
We don't know what happens the rest of the year,
but I do think that at BYU, look, I want
to see him win, but if for some reason they don't,
and they can keep it super super close. Man, to
be a team that has won twenty something games in
two years and to do what they've done this year,
I think that people have to take a look at that,
they really really do, especially if Texas Tech and ends
up being a top four and you barely lose to
a top four team, and with what BYU's done, I
think it sets them up as good as it's been
for Byu.
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