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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Fellasiko's I'm Damn Valley coming at you with my co

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host Grant Hughes, and we're on to another twenty twenty

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five twenty twenty six NBA season look ahead. The Memphis

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Grizzlies are up, which means we have the distinct pleasure

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of being of talking to excuse me, Keith Parrish. He

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hosts the Grits and Grinds podcast. It's a Memphis Grizzlies podcast.

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It's its own thing. He does a fantastic job over there.

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He's also the host of the world renowned Fast Break

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Breakfast podcast. Follow him on the Socials at Fast Break

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break spelled exactly as it sounds. Keith, You're back for

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another year of being harassed by Grant and myself.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: I am always happy to talk about the Grizzlies with

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you guys.

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Speaker 3: It's a fun summer tradition.

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Speaker 1: Grant, we don't really care. But how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I'm just happy to be here, Dan, thank thanks for

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having me on the pod.

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Speaker 1: So I think we need to start here, Keith.

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Speaker 2: What we don't need to rehash every off season move,

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But what do you just make of all they did

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this offseason, because it seems like they're sending a few.

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Speaker 1: Mixed messages with some of the moves that they've made.

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Speaker 4: It's a hard question to answer because when I talk

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about the Grizzlies, which I do constantly on my Grizzlies podcast,

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I come from it with the perspective of someone who's

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been a Grizzlies fan for twenty five years, and also like,

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at the very least, I've watched the last five years,

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and I remember the enthusiasm of the last five years.

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And when people are like, man, the Desert Bande trade

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was great, we got all these picks, like we can

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go draft people, I'm like, am I supposed to be

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more excited than I was when the entire NBA thought

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we were like the one franchise you wanted to take over,

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when we were like number one in ESPN's Future Power Pole,

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when the Grizzlies were talked about as a contender, Like,

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am I I'm supposed to be more excited now because like,

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the Grizzlies have not won a playoff series in a while,

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and to come from the fifty six win twenty one

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twenty two season where you give the Warriors essentially all

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they can handle in the second round. And oh, by

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the way, going into that offseason, they had the same

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number of extra future picks as they have right now.

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Speaker 3: So now people are like, oh, we got we got

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Speaker 4: I'm like, guys, we were a contender to the on

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the Waterfront. But now it's like, so, like, I'm supposed

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to be excited, And unfortunately this bleeds over in my

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podcast performance. The listeners won from their highly localized team shows.

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They basically want enthusiasm, and so it's like, maybe I'm

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too old to do this now, Like how am I

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supposed to be as I was four years ago or

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three years ago? Where it's like, oh yeah, no one's

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picking the Grizzlies to be like a clear cut playoff team.

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Speaker 3: The Grizzlies title odds, which of course do not matter.

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Speaker 4: The title odds are basically the same as they were

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in Jamarant's second year, and it's like, what, we're one

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hundred and fifty to one to win the title.

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Speaker 3: It's like.

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Speaker 4: A couple of first round pickstel made me that excited

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in the future, because like, I saw what we do

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with the last ones, and so now it's like, I

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don't know, but you say it's mixed. But so like

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here's what, here's the excitement level. I think the front

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office would would sell you one, like, like I understand

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the vision to a degree. They're like, Okay, we can't

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win the title the way we were going Like that,

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that's their contention. I think most people agree with that.

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As a Grizzlies podcaster who lives in his own psychosis

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and the psychosists of Grizzlies fans, I'm like all of

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us thought we were contenders two years ago, you know,

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like what changed, Like Okay, John Ran got hurt a lot,

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and like, is that what we're saying. But like, it

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wasn't that long ago where it's like, oh, Jaren and

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Desmond and Jaren together or.

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Speaker 3: Jar Jar and John Desmond Bine together.

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Speaker 4: That was a team that always finished second in the West,

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and it's like they just got a couple more pieces

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they could contend and so yeah, but I think they're

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saying a better way to compete. If this group wasn't

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good enough, now you you get this massive offer from

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the Magic So now you just take picks and hopefully

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the picks work out. It's given you a different avenue

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to raise your ceiling overall as a team. Did you

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guys do you guys talk on the podcast or do

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you want them to keep going?

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Speaker 3: How much I how much time do we have I

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could listen to you?

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Speaker 5: I have like fourteen thoughts. It's the latest one that

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you you sparked was a question of of like do

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you if we are if I think we're in a girl,

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to trade Bain is at least the front office saying

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not good enough? And maybe maybe it's not two different things.

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But if you had to parse the justification for that,

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is it, we aren't good enough because the finances are

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gonna get too tricky with three guys making this much

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and Bain making this much, we need flexibility to fill

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out a roster good enough supporting cast. Or is it

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these three guys together are not good enough on the

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floor for us to be a you know what I mean?

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Like you can't really separate the finance from the on

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court stuff, but like, do you have do you have

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an opinion on which side of that is the bigger

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part of the justification for how the front office operated

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with Baine specifically in that trade.

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Speaker 4: I think in this league that we all enjoy and

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cover finances are such a huge part of it, which

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feels slightly.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous to me as a consumer.

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Speaker 4: Where it's like in a world where the Celtics are

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tearing down and they would have probably torn down maybe

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even if Jason Tatum didn't get injured, in a world

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where like the good teams are being like, man, we

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gotta cut costs, I think, yeah, I think that's a

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big part of it. I think you look at the

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Grizzlies quote unquote Big three when it was John Morant

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and desmon Band and Jaron Jackson Junior once upon a time,

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then the four through nine guys, it was like Dylan

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and like everybody was good. It was similar to what

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the Pacers just did this last year in the postseason,

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where it's like, oh they're one through nine, everybody can hoop.

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Speaker 3: And we've heard a lot about the no weak link

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theory going on. Now. The Grizzlies were on that a

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couple of years ago. They're no longer on that.

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Speaker 4: So I do think grant, yes, there is a financial

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component to this, where if Desmond Bane was making twenty

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million per year as opposed to thirty five, they'd say,

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all right, yes, of course we can keep them. I

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think the difficulty, I think from my particular vantage point

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as a fan, was like, well, you still could have

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built around these guys. Again you look at I'd look

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at the pacers again, where it's like if you get

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a nim Hard on a decent contract in nar Nissmith

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on a decent contract, you know, TJ McConnell, Obi Topp,

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and if you still sign those supporters as opposed to

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missing on a couple of moves or having a lot

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bunch of young guys not ready to contribute, you can

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still compete. So I think in the current landscape that

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every team seems to be dealing with that every front

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office has accepted, hey, these are the rules. Now we

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essentially have a hard cap, and I'm assuming ownership's like great,

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love it, you know. So like in this landscape, the

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Grissies are saying, our best way to compete in a

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world where we're not going to pay luxury tax and

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we're certainly never going to be like our first inprint

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or second effort team, Our best way to compete is

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to cash out Desmond Bane. I mean, arguably they got

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a bigger return for him than they could have gotten

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in like a fanciful Jah Morant trade, Like name a

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franchise is going to trade four first round picks, you know,

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John Morant. Like, so they said, listen this with this return,

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this cash out, this helps us pivot better into building

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it's all related for every NBA team Now it's because

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of the finances to some degree.

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Speaker 2: The other way I kind of looked at what they

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did over the off season was they decided to keep

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Jaron Jackson Junior over Desmond Bane. And I wonder when

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you get into the finances of it all, that's it

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becomes a triggy situation. But can you also read it

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as they trust that what we've seen from Jaron Jackson

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Junior on offense, specifically the past couple seasons, that he

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can scale up to basically a number two Because if

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offensive guy when everyone's healthy, I don't necessarily know who

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it is. Are you just banking on that to be

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like I don't know Ty Jerome at this point, So

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what are what's kind of your read on that, And

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how do you feel about Jaron Jackson Junior as like

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your second option now moving forward?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think Jaren has always been He's always been

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the second option. I mean, he's always in a more

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does the blowby for the layup or he does the

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pump fake relocate for the three pointer. So I've always

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pick one. Also, there's the financial element. Jaren's on his

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last deal. You couldn't trade them because the team acquiring

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them would then I think he would have to go

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into unrestricted free agency. So it's like it's all like

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they could do the renegotiate and extend this offseason to

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keep him from going into under free agency. So like

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they actually wouldn't have gotten I don't think the same

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return despite Jaren being viewed as a better player league wide,

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Speaker 3: But I don't think they wanted to.

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Speaker 4: I think they still they still want to compete, They

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course a huge priority for that. When the Bane trade,

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haven't seen any reporting. I don't think they were necessarily

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shopping Baine. I just think they became willing to listen,

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and the Magic are like, oh, we want to we

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want to contend, we want to play, we want to

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win a playoff series.

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Speaker 3: You know. Like that's yeah, yeah, it sucks that.

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Speaker 5: It sucks that, Like from a fans perspective, we just

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traded Desmond Bane. I like Desmond Bane. He's a good player.

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with the financial realities creep in. Yeah, it's so weird

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because like you're not wrong, if you're if you're a

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basketball analyst, and you're like, that's a home run trade

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for the Grizzlies because of all you've got.

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Speaker 3: You're not wrong. I hear your argument.

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Speaker 4: If you're a Grizzlies fan, Oh yeah, and you're saying

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that's a great return. I'm also I'm not going to

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argue with you, although we have I do like to

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combine everything that happened on Draft Night because it's no

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longer they traded Bane for four first round picks in

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a swap, and Cole Anthony and CACP. It's they traded

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Desimbane for KCP, the draft Rice to Centric Coward and

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now two first round picks in a swap. It's still

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a lot. Like, it's still a lot. And if you

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think that's an awesome return, I can't argue with you.

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My thing is a fan. It's like, well, you can't

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say no to that. I'm like, I can because I

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want to win a first round playoff series, Like the

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Magic wanted to win a first round playoff series so bad.

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They did this trade because they've fallen short the past

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couple of years. They feel like the East is open

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for the Grizzlies. You're like, we haven't won a first

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round playoff series in three years. I want that while

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Jah and Jaren are still in their prime. So it's

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tricky and like the thing that I console myself with

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that I think is a very convincing argument.

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Speaker 3: If the Grizzlies in the.

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Speaker 4: Current financial situation specifically to them and also in the league,

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if they're like, yeah, we want to keep Desibane and

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we want to try to get another player in and

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we still think we're gonna be like maybe if we're

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lucky of seed or a sixth seed in the West,

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we could also be a fifth, six, seventh, eighth seed

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in the West and have four more first round picks.

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Speaker 3: Let's do that. And that's like, yeah, no, you got me.

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I can't. I can't argue with that logic. That logic

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makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: But it's also sad where it's like I'm no longer

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going into the season being like, look out for my Grizzlies,

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They're awesome.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it could be a fun, plucky squad

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and it's like.

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Speaker 4: Coming from where we were, Yeah, that's the that's it.

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It's hard to get excited or hard you don't get excited, Yeah,

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you don't want to feel like you're rooting for shrewd

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financial decisions, right, That's like, that's not that's not as

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fun as rooting for Desmond Bane to go for forty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of the Tumaslo, whether it's the

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hiring process or it seems like it was a little

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fada complete, like by the end of last year. Anyway,

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do you have any expectations for what stylistically in those

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types of changes that we're going to see with such

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a small sample size last year we saw some, but

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what are you kind of expecting to see him implement

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into next season?

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Speaker 3: Well, I answer the first part of your question.

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Speaker 4: I've decided as a podcaster, I'm gonna be the person

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who has no opinion on the hiring process of coaches.

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I don't love it, Like they didn't interview anyone. I'm like,

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I don't know what experience do I have. I have like,

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I have no impressive career experience, so like, fine, all right,

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hire whoever you want.

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Speaker 3: I did have a little bit of fun.

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Speaker 4: I think at the press conference they were like based

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on I think Zach Climent said something like, you know,

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like based on how well he did when he took over.

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I was like, I'm sorry based on what he was, Like,

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I'm not blaming him for anything that happened when he

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when he was given like the steering wheell, but like

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nothing went well after he took over.

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Speaker 3: Like they did not finish the season on a good note.

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Speaker 4: They did escape the play in so they ignored they

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avoided that awful fate, although I guess there's an argument

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they would have kept a draft pick if they had

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done that. But like they they then got swept. Uh

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it was not pretty, but like they said, they saw.

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Speaker 3: Enough, and I'm like, okay, fine, who am I to argue?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: What am I expecting this year?

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna veer away from what they did

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at the beginning of last year, the highly touted circle

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offense thing without the ball screens, where they were like

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they set the fewest screens of anybody, and it was

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a bunch of back cuts and when the ball comes

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to your side, you run away, and you know, like they're.

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Speaker 3: Moving away from that and wanted to get more.

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Speaker 4: I think with just like guard, big lot of spam

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and pick and rolls, a lot of big men as

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screeners and finishers, and they also I think based on

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just things that have been said out loud at press

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conferences and the way it the way the team played

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in Summer League, I think they want to really make

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a focus on full court, full court pressure. I think

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we're gonna see a lot more of that kind of

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Indiana Pacers slightly inspired. They did a little bit of

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it last year, but I think we're gonna see more

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and more of that, and you know, then they're gonn

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a push pace like they've always done under Taylor Jenkins.

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Speaker 3: But beyond that, it is a mystery.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's like just a tiny bit of conjecture

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because we only have a handful of games where Isla

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was the head coach, and of course he inherited, you know,

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a team that wasn't set up to do exactly what

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he wants to do. So when they, you know, roll

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it out in preseason, we'll see, all right, what's what

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exactly is going to be different here?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 5: Why do you think so? I mean, bottom line, the

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offense overall was very good last year, and a lot

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of that success happened with this I was like just

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fascinated by how they were playing offense. I brought it

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up all the time I'm sure Dan got tired of

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me talking about it, just because, like, you do this

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long enough in anything that feels kind of like, oh

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that's different really gets your attention. Do you think the

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reason they're going if they are going away from that

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and getting slightly more conventional, but maybe copycat in a

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good way, because the Pacers do have a lot of

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sort of similarities. Do you think that's just because somebody

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else is in charge now, or because they decided now

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it's not a sustainable way to play, or like we

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because the results were good, Like I you know what

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I mean, Like I don't. I would be curious what

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you think they're justification for kind of I don't know,

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Oh that was fun for a year. Maybe let's not

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stick with it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know all of the different fractures

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and fissures that happened inside the team that led to

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Taylor Jenkins's dismissal. Like there are, of course, lots of

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numbers that are really good for the Grizzlies. Last year,

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they were you know, they spent I feel like maybe

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the majority, if not the majority, most of this, you know,

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it felt like most of the season as the two

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seed in the West.

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Speaker 3: They had great offensive and defensive numbers.

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Speaker 4: The one thing you could poke a hole in is

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they were awful against good teams. They blew the doors

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off every awful team they played, and they finished with

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I can't remember it now, but it's like they had

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an unbelievable winning percentage against non playoff teams. So I

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think there was some thought that, like, hey, we're we're

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a bit of a fraud, Like maybe they recognized that.

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I think that was a question people following the Grizzlies

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were asking, like, are we actually good?

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Speaker 3: You know, but I don't really know.

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Speaker 4: And also the Grizzlies, weirdly, you know, for the entire

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essential stretch of Jo Morant doesn't band in jam Jackson Junior.

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When they're all healthy, they have incredible offensive numbers. But

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the issue was always going to be, yeah, but just

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this version of basketball working the postseason, what about our

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half court offensive numbers? You can't win on turnovers and

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offensive rebounding, at least you couldn't until the Thunder. But

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it's like, you know, like they were like, oh, you know,

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like maybe it's a regular season thing.

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Speaker 3: We have to fix it for the postseason.

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Speaker 4: And so every postseason for the last or offseason for

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the last three four years, they're like, all right, how

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can we fix the half court offense? And they keep

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trying stuff, and then they tried this new thing and

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again it looked like it worked. But then maybe also

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beyond that, and I think maybe a big part of

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it I could have led with.

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Speaker 3: There was some talk that Ja Morant didn't love it.

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Speaker 4: John Morant's like, I'm not scoring twenty five a game anymore,

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and that's you understand that. So where it's like, if

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you're an NBA player who's a customer to scoring twenty

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five a game and being talked about as an All

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Star in All NBA, guy, you know, yeah, winning's nice,

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but it's like you were also winning when Jab was

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scoring twenty.

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Speaker 3: Five a game, So who's to tell him?

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Speaker 4: He's like, guys, we won all the time when I

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was scoring twenty five a game, So like, what's the deal.

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So I think there were some that maybe John Moran

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didn't love the way they were playing, and so then

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they switched over to get Jab the ball more. It

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did happen to directly coincide with the team not playing

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very well.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a one to one correlation.

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Speaker 4: It's funny too, because like Grizzlies fans like, oh yeah,

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we're gonna have it, like Elev's gonna give us this

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new system where we're like, we're like joh and eighty

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are real involved, and you're like, yeah, you mean the

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one where we lost games and Jared Jackson Junior didn't

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play very well?

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Speaker 3: Like I get, I don't. I'm not a signing blame.

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I try to.

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Speaker 4: I always try to escape myself from the blame. Listen,

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I'm just pointing things out. I'm making observations.

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Speaker 5: We just like to ask questions.

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Speaker 3: We just ask a question, just asking questions. Is it

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really that effective?

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Speaker 2: I've seen everything they've done, like from the coach the

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transactions framed as sort of a hedge on the uncertainty

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of John Morant.

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Speaker 1: But do you view it more.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, no, they've kind of doubled down on

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Ja Moran, especially when you look at the coaching situation

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if he wasn't happy with the way the offense was

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being run. But then you get back to that and

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it's well, how much, say, did Taylor Jenkins happen that

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to begin with? I find the whole Ja Morant discourse

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just absolutely fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't have the insight. I can't tell you exactly

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what's going on. I mean there's a lot of stuff

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last year where like, you know, they replaced all Taylor

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Jigens assistant coaches, and it was like kind.

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Speaker 3: Of pitched as you know they they work together to

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do that. But it's like come on.

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Speaker 4: Now, you know, like you replaced this coaches. You gotta

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tell them given all his assistance. Uh, and then yeah,

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how much is it playing to jos strengths and how much?

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Just like the off season now where like you said,

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it's like maybe they're hedging some stuff. I mean like

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the Baine trade where you're like, and this is we

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weren't gonna make it to the summit of the mountain

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going this path.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a couple of steps back and pick a

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new path.

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Speaker 4: We think that's a better way to get where we

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want to go to win a championship. And yeah, I

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don't know how to combine all the moves to make

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them make total sense. It's like a lot of it

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is like the tide rum signing where you're like the

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tie drums signing, in a vacuum seems incredible getting in

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for the room exception, Like, that's incredible value. And I

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totally understand that that's the best value you could get

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for the room exception. I can't imagine getting a better

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player for that money. Well, it makes sense, but also

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you have Scottie Pippen Junior and John Morant, so like, well,

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how are they all gonna work together? And like maybe

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it's just again the best player available situation and we'll

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figure out as we go. So yeah, I'm not really sure. Well,

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I'm not sure if I answered your question. Even like

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it does feel like that they're they're hedging their bets

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somewhat while also saying like this is Jo Rant's team.

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Let's just focus more on just getting jababall and let's

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see how far he can take us. I think last

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year when we talked, you said something that I that

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I spent I thought about several times all year, which

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was that Jah Morant in terms of popularity in Memphis

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is about his hot. He's just like he was he

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was the guy full stop, like and just in terms

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of like the number of jerseys that kids are wearing

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or whatever, like he's just at the apex of that.

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Can you evaluate how he's viewed if it's different at

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all now a year later, because like that was coming

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off a nine game season. Now he played fifty last

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year with varying levels of success there. You know, we've

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talked about a little bit of the you know, some

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of the some of the changes that the offense kind

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of visited on him.

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Speaker 3: Do do you.

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Speaker 5: Think he still occupies that same space, because it sounds

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like we're asking about, oh, where does he sit in

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the franchise's eyes, Like are they built around him in

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terms of just like Q score or clout or whatever

473
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,920
is is everybody still all in on this is the

474
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,039
guy we are building around. Just we're not even going

475
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:53,920
to have that conversation.

476
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,839
Speaker 3: It's so that's so.

477
00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:59,039
Speaker 4: Hard to answer, because yes, speak for all Memphis fans

478
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,319
please right now, it's just like, you know, I live

479
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,400
in my bubble and there's a lot of people living

480
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,200
in there a bubble.

481
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:04,839
Speaker 3: I know.

482
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 4: Of course, his Q score is still it's huge, Like

483
00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:13,279
the jaw, the sneakers, like they're huge. He's a huge

484
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:19,200
Nike signature athlete and he has worldwide appeal and he

485
00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:22,519
still has one of the top selling jerseys in the world.

486
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,599
And you know, he is easily the most popular and

487
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,839
well known Grizzlies player. So then if I'm trying to

488
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,440
figure out how much of the fan base is still like,

489
00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,599
you know, I can't imagine moving on from him.

490
00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:38,839
Speaker 3: He is the team.

491
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,519
Speaker 4: That's hard to say, I do think, And this comes

492
00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:44,720
back to how basketball is an entertainment and a money

493
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,480
driven thing, even though Nico Harrison didn't understand that, like,

494
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,480
you're never gonna You're not gonna trade Ja Morant because

495
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:55,240
he's too important to getting your team on television, to

496
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,480
getting people to share social media clips, to to get

497
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,279
people just to buy tickets, like you know.

498
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: So so I think that I think the city is

499
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,640
still behind him.

500
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,279
Speaker 4: But again, I don't have personal Yeah, I don't have

501
00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:07,319
any personal interaction.

502
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: No one said to me, no stranger on the street.

503
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,079
It happens every now and then.

504
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 4: I live in Nashville and people I'm on a Grizzly

505
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,839
shirt and you know, they come up and we talk

506
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,079
or whatever. No one's been like, hey man, when an't

507
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,000
we trading Ja Moran? No, no, no, no one says that. No,

508
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,279
Everyone's like, yeah, they actually, you know, the most common

509
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,279
question from a stranger.

510
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: When's Zach Edy gonna learn how to catch a pass?

511
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 5: Like?

512
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: I just met you, sir, look.

513
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:34,319
Speaker 2: At you like, yeah, what a from you? I wanted

514
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,440
to ask you about Zach Edy. I we want to

515
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,599
know your year one impressions of him, for sure, but

516
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,519
also how worried are we about like the ankle injury,

517
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,319
and then how integrating him into what should be kind

518
00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,240
of a new system when he just might not even be.

519
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: Ready to start the season.

520
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,599
Speaker 4: Man, they they told me he didn't miss a game

521
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,599
at Purdue something like he was like this, like the

522
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,039
sturdiest guy. No, but poor guy had ankle surgery. He's

523
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,720
gonna miss the start of the year. To answer your question,

524
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:06,559
what are my takeaways from year one? I that they

525
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:10,039
were mixed. I mean, he obviously has an impact when

526
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:13,279
he's out there. Uh, there are certain you could there's

527
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,160
stats you can pull where you could be like he

528
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,279
was one of the most you know, impactful guys on

529
00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:18,839
the whole team in a positive way.

530
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 3: Uh, he's a great screener, great rebounder. I was.

531
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 4: I was, on the one hand, a little disappointed that

532
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,319
he was so raw offensively. I kind of thought all

533
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,920
that college schooling he would have learned a couple of

534
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,599
post moves or something, but it really was like it's

535
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,279
just like like he's the you know, I want an

536
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:43,160
amber turner from Zulander and not not so much yet,

537
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:46,759
just like like only one hand, only one shoulder turn.

538
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:51,160
And again the the the lack of touch, the lack

539
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,440
of you know, catching passes where it's like, you know,

540
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:58,519
do you need that, you need to do that. So

541
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,839
this is the argument because I again, a lot of people,

542
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:04,240
a lot of people, you know, like he was, uh,

543
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:07,519
first team all rookie, and like I said, the impact

544
00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:10,359
matrics were very, very very good. Even is Slow defended

545
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,079
him a couple of times where he's like, you know,

546
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,480
we're when the coach pulls out the net rating, he's

547
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,000
like plus twenty points per under possessions was Zach Overcord

548
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,079
like all right, fair enough. Uh it's like, sir, I

549
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:24,759
thought that was a podcaster trick. But the uh yeah,

550
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:26,960
so like a lot of promising stuff, and again he's

551
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,839
a rookie. He was a rookie thrust into a starting

552
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,759
role on a playoff team, which like you assume you're

553
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:32,960
gonna struggle, so I think you're two. The thought was

554
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,880
all right, man, if you can take that step forward

555
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,480
to be great, but now this big injury is set back.

556
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,279
You know, it has concerns and like Grant said, and

557
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,519
like I've joked about, like can you teach hands?

558
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,559
Speaker 3: Like I don't like.

559
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 4: His hands, And maybe I'm too hung up on this,

560
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,960
but it's like it's like, man, he's like bis mack

561
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,480
Biambo out there, like he just doesn't know the pass

562
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:55,359
is coming and it's like he doesn't get it. And

563
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,599
so yeah, I hope he can make a big step

564
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,519
forward there and there should be a bigger role for

565
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,720
him when he's healthy. Like I think everything Uslo's doing

566
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,559
like they want to get him involved in the game,

567
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:08,079
and if he could play like twenty six twenty seven

568
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,680
minutes a game, you know, he could put us some

569
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,839
big numbers. Is of course he's going to inhale a

570
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,640
ton of rebounds and block some shots. So like beyond that,

571
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,319
I'm not sure exactly what his ceiling you know, is,

572
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,799
or even who the player cop is. You're saying this

573
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,000
is you know, hopefully your two year three he could

574
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,680
turn into that guy.

575
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,759
Speaker 5: What about Jalen Well is kind of similar, I mean,

576
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,759
very dissimilar in the sense of like pre draft billing

577
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,599
relative to what he ended up producing in the role

578
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,160
he filled from afar, It's pretty easy to fall into

579
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,400
the idea of like, he is a very limited role player.

580
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,839
That was awesome for a rookie at the limited role

581
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,559
he was asked to play. And if that's it, great,

582
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,440
I don't see a whole lot more. Is that is

583
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,279
that misguided? Is there is there more that you can

584
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,839
you imagine he'll be able to do beyond the sort

585
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,880
of three and D mostly defense. By the end of

586
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,920
the year, the three ball kind of tailed off. But like,

587
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,079
and I guess the second part of that question is

588
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:05,279
are the Grizzlies built like for him to do more

589
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,519
than he did last year?

590
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:07,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

591
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 4: I mean Jalen Wells was a delight. I mean whatever

592
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:11,559
should have been the Rookie of the year. I think

593
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,440
in a strong argument that he could have been the

594
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,839
Rookie of the year. I think the tail off that

595
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:20,680
the Grizzlies had after the All Star break, after the

596
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,440
trade deadline, I think I heard him a lot. It's

597
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,440
still it was a hard Rookie of the Year campaigned

598
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,200
for him because he didn't put together a bunch of

599
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:31,599
highlight package type things. It was just like, this guy's

600
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,119
starting for a very good team and he's guarding the

601
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,759
best player for the opponent every night. Like that's unbelievably

602
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,519
more valuable than like, I don't know, kalel Ware coming

603
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,799
out and having a few big games, or like Stephan

604
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:45,759
Castle putting.

605
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,279
Speaker 3: Up numbers on a horrible Spurs team.

606
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:50,519
Speaker 4: It's like Jalen Wells is playing important minutes every single night.

607
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,759
But like, yeah, Jalen was was awesome. He's he's just

608
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,559
unbelievably good defender. It's funny too, Like I don't follow

609
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,400
college basketball, and so when they drafted the Jailer, I'm

610
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,519
watching all these scouting videos and it mainly was just

611
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,279
talking about his shooting, Like none of them were like

612
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,759
this guy's a lockdown defender. But he was so good

613
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,160
on defense last year it was a delight. Like you said,

614
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,480
his shooting did tail off. I think the big question

615
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,440
for him, beyond whether maybe he could handle a little

616
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,799
bit more of an offensive load, is just can't he

617
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,039
be a thirty seven percent three point shooter thirty eight

618
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:23,240
percent three point shooter?

619
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,519
Speaker 3: Or is he a thirty five percent three point shooter?

620
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,319
Speaker 4: And I think that's a big difference, But I do

621
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,519
think the offense is set up not.

622
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: Necessarily for him to take a step forward, but it

623
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,200
is set up where.

624
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,599
Speaker 4: You where you can imagine the vision in a post

625
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,559
designband world, where like John and Jaron and Zach are

626
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,599
your scorers, we surround them with Jalen Wells and Contavious

627
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,519
called well, Pope, that's a good basketball team, like you

628
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:48,160
got again. I'm Assumingna's cable. Pope bounces back to a

629
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,160
couple of years ago for him, But it's like, that's

630
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,119
a good basketball team. You got defenders, you got floor spacers,

631
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,960
and Jalen Wells can be that. So I actually I'm like,

632
00:28:57,839 --> 00:28:59,720
while I hear that, and I understand the whole thing

633
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,720
about like is it a limited ceiling for Jalen Wells?

634
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,079
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, but also like, why can't he get better?

635
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,319
Speaker 4: We see NBA players all the time and a guy,

636
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,640
this guy, an unheralded second round draft pick who stepped

637
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,240
in and was an immediate contributor, started seventy something games.

638
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he could. Why can't he get a

639
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,480
lot better? Yeah?

640
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,039
Speaker 5: Well, and then it's a question of like how greedy

641
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,519
are we going to get if the ceiling is last year,

642
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,599
it was starter on a really good team.

643
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: Like what else do you want from? Yeah, I hear you.

644
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,160
I do have a thing about Jalen Wells.

645
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,839
Speaker 4: This is said a lot like oh, like Zach Cleman's like,

646
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,079
we we didn't intend to get younger last year, but

647
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,240
Jalen Wells came out in training camp and won the

648
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:40,880
starting job.

649
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: No he didn't.

650
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: Marcus Smart started until he was hurt. Like yeah, we're

651
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,920
we're ret conning these things. Marcus Smart played seven eight games,

652
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,960
got hurt. Jenlen Wells. You could argue Jalen Wells didn't

653
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,559
give it back like he sees it once he got

654
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:55,440
it in the regular season.

655
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

656
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 4: No, Janel Wills was great and he I mean he's

657
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,880
like there are reasons to be excited going back to

658
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,880
I like just dystopian opening to the show, Like, I mean,

659
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Zachy the year two and then Jen le Well's year two.

660
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:09,279
Whatever Centric Coward has to bring, Like, those are really

661
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:13,960
good players. Scotty Pittman Junior was unbelievable last year, Tied

662
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,119
Drum coming in like could be a very very good

663
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,200
team with a lot of exciting young pieces.

664
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: Complimenting John Jared.

665
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: One of the moves they made that I think set

666
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,839
mixed messages was consolidating those two first round picks into

667
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,079
Centric Cowhard. We didn't see him in Summer League because

668
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,759
of that left shoulder injury. Do you have any early

669
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,400
impressions of him or what are your expectations even for

670
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,359
how are they going to bring this guy along on

671
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,839
a team that still feels like it has these immediate expectations,

672
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,960
but is also clearly they're trying to straddle two timelines

673
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,599
at this point like so many other teams. It's become

674
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,720
a cliche to say, but that's what it feels like

675
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:48,200
they're doing.

676
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny because I do think they are sort

677
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,559
of straddling two timelines.

678
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: And as NBA fans, when we lose.

679
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,279
Speaker 4: One of the franchise's best players, which is what Desmond

680
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,079
Bane won, you actually part of you, I think turns

681
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,599
into the well, let's see what we got, like, I

682
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,319
don't think anyone would be angry if Cedric Coward started

683
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:11,880
Game one over like Contavio's Carble Pope like part of

684
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,440
It's the mystery too, where it's like, all right, you

685
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,400
guys obviously loved this guy. You traded two of the

686
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,400
picks you got for dezen Bane plus extra.

687
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: I can't.

688
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: I think it was a second round pick.

689
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a second round pick and the first runner

690
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,319
to move up five spots, Like that's a lot, and

691
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,279
the Pelicans think, so yeah, Pelicans like that's a great price.

692
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,359
The the excitement I think on him, it's just like, oh, okay,

693
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,559
well let's see this guy, like this wing with size.

694
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,359
Speaker 3: I mean he is.

695
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,599
Speaker 4: In the few interviews he's done, he seems delightful, like

696
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880
he's he's saying a lot of fun things, but like

697
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,279
the big problem being, uh, no one's seen him play

698
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,519
basketball and he only played a handful of games at

699
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,839
D one level, at the D one level, and so

700
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,160
it's like, I don't know. So I do think, like

701
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:04,319
I imagine people want to see him play and play a lot,

702
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,720
But then you look at the depth chart, it's a mystery.

703
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: Because they do have this glut of wings.

704
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:14,119
Speaker 4: Jalen Will's leading them, and then there's still Vince Williams

705
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400
Junior on the roster and Gigi Jackson on the roster,

706
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:18,000
and John Conchard is still here.

707
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,319
Speaker 3: I know by the way. They signed Cam Spencer to

708
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:21,759
like a three year deal.

709
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 4: So it's like, yeah, I'm not sure exactly who's gonna

710
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,720
earn those minutes in training camp and who we see

711
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,440
at the start of the year.

712
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,119
Speaker 5: I feel like if we flash forward to twenty thirty eight,

713
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,559
you'll still be saying John Conchard is still here. Just

714
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,680
it's never gonna go. I'm really upset. I can't ask

715
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,519
you about whether or not Zire Williams is gonna happen

716
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,880
this year. That's that's gonna be for a different podcast.

717
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: What was my answer last year?

718
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,559
Speaker 5: I think it was it was as it was like,

719
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,079
it was the polite it's the politest way you could

720
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,640
have said that he will never happen like that was

721
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,920
based years ago.

722
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm was that was I think it was on

723
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,440
your show.

724
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:03,759
Speaker 4: I said, I play in my flag and I said

725
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,680
he's an NBA player, and I think maybe you guys

726
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400
could have been two years and I said, he's going

727
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,759
to get a second contract. And then I said he's

728
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,519
going to get a second contract. Right, he got a second.

729
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: Contract, was nail. I don't think it's officially done yet.

730
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,640
They're still doing funny business.

731
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,119
Speaker 4: But he's a great to have a you know, a

732
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:22,359
second contract with the Nets.

733
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,759
Speaker 5: So since I can't ask you about him, Uh, Gigi

734
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,079
Jackson is next on the list of of it is

735
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:29,559
is player X going to happen?

736
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: Uh?

737
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 5: It kind of has had injury to understate it has

738
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,759
had injury issues. It hasn't really gotten a chance to

739
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,880
I don't know, to to really show what he's capable of.

740
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,559
What are your expectations for him? Do you do you

741
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:46,359
see him filling a significant role on this team if

742
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:47,799
he's healthy and what does that look like?

743
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,119
Speaker 4: My expectations are zero. Okay, that's only because I've been injured.

744
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:57,920
I've been hurt myself, heart was hurt. No. Yeah, it's

745
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,519
a he's a strange player in this sense that a

746
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,359
guy with unbelievable physical gifts who was his top high

747
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,280
school recruit, reclassified and then was bad in college, and

748
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,280
there's a lot of stuff said about him about being immature,

749
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,760
and then he falls into the second round of the

750
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,360
Grizzlies get him. And then in the Grizzlies year two

751
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,920
years ago when Josh started the year suspended and then

752
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,320
got hurt and they tanked out, Gezi played was one

753
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,079
of the I think. Yeah, he was the youngest player

754
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,599
in the NBA and he put together these thirty point

755
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,519
games and you're taking it with a grain of salt,

756
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:33,039
because you're like, this is March basketball, April basketball. They

757
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:34,519
none of this is real. They just have like a

758
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,079
forty point game. And you're like, if this guy was

759
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:41,360
back in the draft a couple of years ago, you're like, legitimately,

760
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,440
he'd be a top ten guy. Like everyone, like I

761
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,679
was asking actual well known draft experts. I'm like, just

762
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,679
for my Grizzlies listeners, like where would Gig Jackson go?

763
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,960
And you know, like he was a top ten type guy,

764
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,920
and I think they expected a lot from him last

765
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,880
year and he was hurt and then when he came

766
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,880
back and played, he was catastrophic.

767
00:34:59,039 --> 00:34:59,559
Speaker 3: I mean, and I.

768
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: Don't know, I feel like we see this more and more,

769
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,599
or maybe I just observe it more and more the

770
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,159
older I get. We see these We see players who

771
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,880
just are nicked up and they never totally get back

772
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,599
and they never catch up.

773
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,559
Speaker 3: They have sort of lost seasons where you're like, what

774
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:13,280
happened to that guy?

775
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: And it's like, oh, yeah, apparently he was hurt and

776
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,480
then could never get totally in shape and just struggled.

777
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: Lost his confidence.

778
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,639
Speaker 4: Maybe so Gigi was an unbelievably bad defender. Last year

779
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,920
he got demoted essentially like they went on a road

780
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,440
trip and told him to stay home, which is like,

781
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,679
that's like high school basketball stuff.

782
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: I mean, like, yeah, they legit.

783
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 4: They they sent him to the G League to play

784
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,760
with the hustle, and it wasn't like an injury rehab thing.

785
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: It was just like sorry, man, you know so I

786
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,360
don't know.

787
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 4: So because of that, it's like, all right, I've seen

788
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,440
what he can do and he had you know, we've

789
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,079
seen him have some really strong summer leagues where you're like,

790
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,400
this guy can dunk on anybody off the dribble, and

791
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,960
you see him flash these things where you're like, with

792
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,400
that size and the handle and the way he can

793
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,920
go by guy, guy, there's a role for him in

794
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,039
the NBA, And then we saw him do it in

795
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,559
actual games where you get so excited. But then he

796
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,559
was totally unavable to help in any meaningful way last year.

797
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:14,199
So the way I've coped with that, I have zero expectations.

798
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,920
But please surprise me gg Jackson, please fight your way

799
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,760
back into the rotation.

800
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,039
Speaker 5: Dan, If you close your eyes, do you just hear

801
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:25,159
me talking about Jonathan Kaminga when Keith is describing Ggi Jackson.

802
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,039
Speaker 2: Keith seems way lower on gg Jackson than you are

803
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:29,079
and Jonathan I've said.

804
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 5: I've said some irrational things.

805
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: Keith, what do you sort of make of just the whole?

806
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,119
Ty Jerome, Scottie Pippen Jr. Vince Williams is there. They

807
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,119
signed Cam Spencer, like you said, who I kind of

808
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:42,960
like which just viewed in the context of just all

809
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,159
this like perimeter jumble in that secondary part of the rotation,

810
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:48,760
like how do you see that shaking out? Are there

811
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,480
are one or two names that are you just like

812
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,559
putting in sharpie as right? These guys are important. Everybody

813
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,400
else is gonna kind of have to compete for minutes.

814
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think of the names you mentioned, Scotty Pippen Jr.

815
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
And Tidrome are gonna play. I mean, I think Scotty

816
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:06,000
Pippen Junior really seized hold of an important role last

817
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:09,400
year and he's not letting that go. An incredibly good

818
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,360
on ball defender. You're pretty good at getting buy his

819
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,559
guy too. He's been shooting the basketball very well, Like

820
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,599
he's been making three pointers. So like Skotty Pipper Junior,

821
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:19,880
because he's quite good as like a bench guard, I

822
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,840
don't you know so, and also Ti Jerume, you know,

823
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,440
like you didn't sign him to not play him.

824
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,119
Speaker 3: So those guys are for real.

825
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 4: I think the rest of the guys, it is just

826
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,159
it's been their policy, I think, to just try to

827
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,039
you know, a lot of teams do this, just like

828
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,239
the you look at the Thunders draft record and you're like,

829
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,960
all right, they got actually have a lot of misses,

830
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,599
but like when an Aaron Wiggins pops, it's all worth it,

831
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:42,119
you know, And so like that's the same thing, and

832
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:46,400
they just want some of these guys to win the spot. Vince,

833
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,960
much like Gigi, I think they were depending a lot

834
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,920
on Vince Williams Junior.

835
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: Last year. It was the exact same story.

836
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 4: Vince Williams Junior has said he never got better than

837
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,760
eighty percent with his ankle last year. So two years ago,

838
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,000
Vince was the guy like Jalen Well this past season.

839
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,280
Two years ago, it was Vince Williams Junior who was

840
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,000
guarding Kevin Durant one night, Luca DOCGs the next night,

841
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440
and Steph Curry the next night, and like he was

842
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,679
taking the number one assignment and also was making those

843
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:13,599
connective plays. I fell in love with them a couple

844
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:17,519
years ago because of like offensive rebounding and blocking shots,

845
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:19,400
and like he was a good passer, and you're like

846
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:20,440
this is the perfect like.

847
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,159
Speaker 1: Eight minutes on him last year.

848
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it made it made all of us look

849
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,719
stupid because he didn't do it. He disappointed us last year. So, like,

850
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,679
you know, maybe there's still a role for him, but

851
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,559
I don't know. I think he's one of the more

852
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:33,719
likely guys to even get traded because, like you like

853
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,519
Conchart is still there. You got Conchart, you got Gig Jackson,

854
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:39,119
you got Vince Williams Junior Cam Spencer, and then of

855
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,119
course Cedric Coward, and then you got CACP and Janleen Wells.

856
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,400
They're all fighting for minutes. You know, Jaylen Wells is

857
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,719
gonna play. I'm pretty sure CACP is gonna play. The

858
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920
rest of those guys are competing for maybe one spot,

859
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
you know, like santi All Dama's gonna play at the

860
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,320
big position.

861
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: On the wing.

862
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: They're all fighting to try to get in there, and

863
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,039
I don't I don't know what's gonna happen.

864
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 5: You're ready to hit the cookie cutter slash lighting round

865
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:10,400
portion here, Well, yes to start Questionody. Even before I

866
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,360
asked the question, I was like, should I address a

867
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,679
person before I before I put this just just kind

868
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,559
of top down, what do you view as this team's

869
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,679
biggest strength for this coming season, Like, what's the what's

870
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:26,239
the thing you're most confident they'll be very good at

871
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,719
and will be kind of like a car, like a

872
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,039
you'll you'll associate this characteristic with the Grizzlies when you're

873
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:32,679
talking about them in a positive way.

874
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: That's interesting is that as a team wide attribute. I

875
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,960
I'm not sure, but I would guess. I would guess

876
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,719
they're gonna be a good defensive team. Again, they've been,

877
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,199
they were. They fell for whatever reason. They were terrible

878
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,039
at defense at the end of the year last year

879
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,840
and that has been an aberration. And maybe with a

880
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,000
coaching change it'll be different. Like Taylor Jenkins always had

881
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:55,800
him as a very good defensive team. But I do

882
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,400
think with Jaren anchoring everything and they've proved and even

883
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,039
with John Morant playing, they're.

884
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,079
Speaker 3: They can be a very good defense.

885
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,639
Speaker 4: I think with Jaron, with Zach Eaty, with jay Len Wells,

886
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:07,639
with Coatavia is called a Pope, with Vince Williams Junior,

887
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,079
with Scotti, Pippen, Junr. They're gonna be good at defense,

888
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,960
and I jock Jack Landell in the house, that's that's right.

889
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: Maybe starts opening night, who knows. Yeah, I think I

890
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,440
think this team.

891
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,159
Speaker 4: Will still be a quite good defensive team and they're

892
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:23,360
gonna be able to depend on.

893
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,559
Speaker 5: That and then kind of flip that around. Maybe it's

894
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,159
not a weakness per se. But what do you think

895
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,719
as you're looking at the roster or at a potential deficiency,

896
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,519
like what does this team need that it doesn't have

897
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:37,800
right now? Is three point shooting important in the modern NBA?

898
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

899
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: I think the Thunder definitively proved you don't have to

900
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,639
make three pointers to win a title.

901
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

902
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,599
Speaker 1: I Yeah.

903
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,639
Speaker 4: The Grizzlies got rid of Desmond main of course, and

904
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,400
Luke Kennard. Uh they I think they got rid of

905
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,719
like four of their five best percentage wise three point

906
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,599
shooters from last year. And oh, by the way, they

907
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,679
weren't great at shooting three pointers last year, So oh yeah,

908
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,719
that's gonna be like, hey, Santi, we need this to

909
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,760
be consistently good.

910
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,079
Speaker 3: Jaren, can you get it the numbers high again? Jalen?

911
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: Can you maybe shoot thirty nine percent, not thirty five percent. Hey, KCP,

912
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,400
could you not shoot thirty one percent from the three

913
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:13,840
point one?

914
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:14,519
Speaker 3: Uh?

915
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:14,679
Speaker 5: Like?

916
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: They so like I think they need some three point shooting.

917
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,320
That's gonna be a big thing.

918
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,599
Speaker 4: Also, they they need they need front court health, like

919
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,360
with Edie missing for who knows how long. Maybe he's

920
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,679
backed by Christmas, maybe Thanksgiving. I don't know, but he's good.

921
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:28,960
I think he's gonna miss the first month of the

922
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,679
season is the expectation. Jaren hopefully is available at the

923
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,519
beginning of the year. Brandon Clark can't stay healthy as

924
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,800
it is, and even when he's healthy, he barely plays

925
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,920
twenty minutes a game, so like they need bigs like

926
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,880
Jack Landel might play way more minutes than Like. I

927
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,760
actually was so excited. Everyone's like, oh, this Jay Huff trade.

928
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,079
Why would you trade Jay Huff and bring in Jack Landale.

929
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,639
I'm like, man, like, we need a guy just to

930
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,400
grab rebounds and screen and that's not Jay Huff, and

931
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,800
like we just need someone to open the season doing that.

932
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,679
Speaker 3: So like, yeah, I was less.

933
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 4: That's I was like more happy about the Jayhuff trade,

934
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,000
where I'm like, what is Jay Huff? Gonna win us

935
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,320
a playoff game. No, no, no, go get your second

936
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,760
round picks, Grizzlies. That's fine, we'll find another Jay Huff.

937
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,880
It'll be it'll be okay.

938
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,199
Speaker 5: You've illustrated the difference between national coverage and local knowledge,

939
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,880
because I think that the very much the national position

940
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,400
was like, well, Jay Huff can shoot threes and he

941
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,000
blocks shots sometimes, Like how why doesn't he make fifty

942
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,440
million dollars a year? Like I know Dan and I

943
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,599
were definitely guilty of that. It's like, oh, look, you know,

944
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,280
look at this guy.

945
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,199
Speaker 1: You can do everything else.

946
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 4: There there's some things where it's like, you know, there's

947
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,440
every NBA team. When a guy is going into that

948
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,320
last year the deal, you have to ask yourself, are

949
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,000
we winning a playoff series this year because of this guy?

950
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,599
If not, if he's not coming back, let's trade. I mean,

951
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,599
I think Jay Huff was clearly We're like all right,

952
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,480
like I'm gonna be upset about trading Desmond Bane for

953
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,280
picks because Desmon Bain is the difference between I don't know,

954
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,760
forty wins and fifty wins and playoff series wins and such.

955
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,639
But like the Jay Huff man, if there's one thing

956
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,519
Zach Climate is great at. It's finding Jay Huffs. Yeah,

957
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,320
it's finding Scottie Pippen Jrs. It's finding John Conchars like that. No,

958
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,280
this Grizzlies front office can do this all day of

959
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,199
the week. If you want to give me a pick

960
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,559
for Jay Huff in a year that we're one hundred

961
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,320
and fifty to one to win the title.

962
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's give me a second round pick. I'll do

963
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:18,960
it again.

964
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:19,559
Speaker 1: Right.

965
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 5: So, I think the world in which you could get

966
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,679
an asset for Jay Huff has existed for a year

967
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:27,360
before that.

968
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:31,119
Speaker 4: It was possible, you like, like I talked about him

969
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:34,039
in Summer League last year or where I was like,

970
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,280
I wouldn't mind getting Jay Huff on a two way.

971
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: They went and did it and then turned.

972
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:39,639
Speaker 4: That into a second round pick, And I think there's

973
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,400
a second one, like a top like a like a

974
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:41,800
soft one.

975
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's that's good work. Man. If you

976
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:44,360
sign a.

977
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: Guy to a two way and trade him a year later,

978
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:47,000
you're that's good stuff.

979
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 5: I know.

980
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm all on board with that one.

981
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,119
Speaker 2: What's something about this team, good bad storyline whatever that's

982
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:54,199
flying under the radar.

983
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:02,599
Speaker 4: I think in a rules since because of how the

984
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:06,480
year ended and because of the desmon Baine trade, there's

985
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,639
just a weird perception that the Grizzlies aren't like quote

986
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,920
unquote good well the j trade, the j hough trade.

987
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:17,000
You're tearing it down to the stuts they sent out

988
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,599
Jay Hop Like this team in the in the East

989
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:23,079
would compete for home court advantage, Like I feel that,

990
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:27,039
And there's talk about like, oh, the Hawks are incredible.

991
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,159
I'm like, they're not better than the Grizzlies. I don't

992
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,920
think maybe they maybe I'm wrong, but there's this It's

993
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,519
so weird how Western Conference teams have like a different

994
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:39,400
set of circumstances to compete, like obviously to compete under,

995
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:42,760
but also just to be talked about like if the

996
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,679
Grizzlies were in the East, they probably don't trade Desmond

997
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:47,719
Bane because they're like, oh we could.

998
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,199
Speaker 3: We're really good, Like we're any one of the best

999
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:50,880
teams in the East.

1000
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: And so it is weird where like when you I

1001
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,199
get it, you trade your third best player for picks,

1002
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,800
and John Moran has had trouble play in more than

1003
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,159
fifty to fifty five games, Like I understand that, but

1004
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,039
still it's like things could break right, they could win

1005
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:09,280
fifty games again, like they could be in a playoff series,

1006
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,800
the competitive playoff series. You get the right breaks, maybe

1007
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,559
they could beat you know, a Timberwolves who are a

1008
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:16,440
Rockets in the first round. They're not gonna be picked

1009
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,280
two preseason, but they have enough good players and a

1010
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,400
track record of winning.

1011
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,079
Speaker 3: Jared and Jah win basketball games.

1012
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: So I think in a general sense, it's like that

1013
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,880
part feels like it's under the radar where it's like

1014
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,800
they're not terrible, they're pretty good.

1015
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,159
Speaker 3: And maybe it's.

1016
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:34,639
Speaker 4: Me joking too much about the things I'm disappointed about,

1017
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,960
but it's still like, end of the day, pretty solid

1018
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,719
basketball squad.

1019
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,679
Speaker 5: Well, I mean to that point, just looking at the

1020
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:44,679
depth chart, it's ten deep before you get to Coward

1021
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,239
or Spencer, and you could I mean that's assuming you

1022
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,840
get something from Jackson, some of them from Clark. I mean,

1023
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,760
it's really looking good that you know down through Jerome Aldama,

1024
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,840
Pippin off the bench. Do you see a way for

1025
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,360
Coward and Spenser to really probably more so Coward, but

1026
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,639
who knows to to kind of chip into that that

1027
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:04,400
doesn't involve injury and then just to throw multi part

1028
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,239
questions at you from that whole group, who do you

1029
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,079
like to close games? If if you can, uh just

1030
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,079
pretend there's not like a matchup dependent kind of dimension

1031
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:14,559
to that thing.

1032
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that part's fun. Wait what was the first

1033
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,559
part of the question before? Though?

1034
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,079
Speaker 5: Just like, is Coward or Spencer gonna be able to

1035
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,760
play just because there's ten good NBA players here?

1036
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 4: I would I would assume with the draft pick investment,

1037
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,400
if Coward shows enough of what they saw in him

1038
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,599
to take him or to trade up for him with

1039
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:36,239
that pricey package, I can imagine him being that one

1040
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,760
wing on the bench. I'm guessing the bench, like if

1041
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,559
we're assuming the starter is when Zachy he's back healthy,

1042
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,920
you know, if your bench is you've got a couple

1043
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,440
of smallest guards and tied dromes kind of Pippin junior,

1044
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,239
and then your your bigs are set with Brandon Clarkin's

1045
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,840
in Santio Dama like those are also like those are

1046
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,280
four very good bench players, So like that's that's a

1047
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,400
big upgrade I think on what they've they've been having.

1048
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480
And then there's like that one spot maybe there and

1049
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:01,760
it's a Vince Williams junior.

1050
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 3: Is it Cedric Coward.

1051
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,159
Speaker 4: I think it's a good chance Cedria Coward breaks through

1052
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:08,039
there if Vince Williams Junior isn't back up. You know,

1053
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,199
I don't know if Cam Spencer will break through. I mean,

1054
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,000
he might end up being one of the more consistent

1055
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:13,960
three point shooters, and so because of that reason, he

1056
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,320
gets on the court. As far as the closing, that's tough.

1057
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,559
I've always been for years just a Brandon Clark believer.

1058
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,440
If Brandon Clark's healthy, the Brandon Clark and Jared Jackson

1059
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,119
junior front court has always been tremendous for the Grizzlies.

1060
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,039
And then you pair that with John Morant, probably Jalen Wells,

1061
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:38,480
and then man, I'm I'm gonna have to see what

1062
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,159
everybody looks like. Is KCP? Does he have something left

1063
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:43,840
in the tank? Is said your coward?

1064
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: Any good?

1065
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: Is Vince Williams Junior back to where we want him?

1066
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,639
Like is Scotty Pipman Jr? Or Ty Jerome? Are they

1067
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,079
undeniable where you can't keep them off the court? Like

1068
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:57,719
Sooddy Pippan Jr. The lone bright spot in the humiliating

1069
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,320
sweep to the thunder So like, yeah, it's hard to

1070
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,599
say right now, like, who's gonna be for me that

1071
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,559
that fifth guy to go alongside? I mean maybe maybe

1072
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,320
Zach Edy has a huge year and I'm like, sorry,

1073
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,480
Brendan Clark, let's put all domit the three. I mean,

1074
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,159
Santiodama is a good player who we haven't really talked

1075
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:18,679
about at all. Like Santi has, you know, some defensive

1076
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,199
lapses that make you a little frustrated, and he's not

1077
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,239
the most consistent shooter, but like he's a skilled year

1078
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,679
seven footer who is I think an important part of

1079
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:30,760
what they do this year as well.

1080
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, they do have a lot of options.

1081
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 4: And yeah, I haven't nailed down who I think should

1082
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,840
close yet.

1083
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,559
Speaker 2: Is there a weirdo lineup you want to see Islo

1084
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,639
try this year?

1085
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: Yes, let's see. Let's let's get the one.

1086
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: Can you tell us it?

1087
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,639
Speaker 3: It has to have Bence Williams Junior because he's my guy.

1088
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,639
I need to be all back in on. Vince Williams Junior.

1089
00:48:51,960 --> 00:49:01,079
Speaker 4: Let's go, let's go Ty Jerome, Jalen Wells Williams Junior,

1090
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,360
Jaron and Brandon.

1091
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,039
Speaker 3: No wait, let's make it weirder.

1092
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: You had in there?

1093
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,039
Speaker 4: No, No, Ti, Jerome, Vince Williams Junior, Santi Aldama, Jared

1094
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:14,360
Jackson junior, Brandon Clark.

1095
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: That's my one through five.

1096
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: I want to go like the opposite direction, like let's

1097
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,000
get Eadie with a bunch of smalls. I'd have Vince

1098
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:26,000
Williams will do that, Cam Spencer, Cam Spencer.

1099
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:27,679
Speaker 4: Will play the four you're gonna get, You're gonna get

1100
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:31,239
a jaw, Scottie Pippen tied Jerome, Cam Spencer, Edie.

1101
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1102
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,559
Speaker 2: I'd rather get jobs out there and give me like

1103
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:36,840
John Wells or somebody in there. But Vince Williams and

1104
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,599
Cam Spencer need to be in there with you. That's

1105
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:41,039
what I've decided, Keith, before we.

1106
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,519
Speaker 1: Force you to make some predictions.

1107
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: Is there anything else we haven't touched upon with this

1108
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,320
team that you think needs to be discussed?

1109
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,639
Speaker 1: No, that's fun, it's really efficient.

1110
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 3: I feel like we hit it. I do feel like

1111
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:57,639
maybe I don't know.

1112
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 4: I talked a lot about how Scotty people Jr's quite

1113
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,800
good basketball player. Santi al Dama good, good chance for

1114
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,800
him to breakout. Uh No, I think we did it.

1115
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,039
Speaker 5: How excited are you for the potential City edition jerseys

1116
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:09,400
this year?

1117
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,199
Speaker 4: I am excited because I think their normal jerseys are

1118
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,840
kind of boring, but they've been crushing it.

1119
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: With the City edition jerseys.

1120
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: I believe it's going to the rumor is I think

1121
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,559
it's going to be a white City Edition jersey. It's

1122
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,320
going to be a remix of the Stacks jerseys that

1123
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,039
they did a couple of years ago that were awesome,

1124
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,000
and I think it's going to look amazing. I mean,

1125
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,800
they're they're they're wearing the black throwbacks from the first

1126
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,599
year they came to Memphis, so like, I love those,

1127
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:41,760
so I'm excited, like all the throwback jerseys, the city jerseys.

1128
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 3: Are going to be awesome.

1129
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 4: Now, I just need to redesign for the basic home

1130
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,199
in a way which I don't love that much.

1131
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 5: You know, given the boost to the wind total that

1132
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,440
those jerseys will provide. How where do you see this

1133
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,960
team finishing? Record wise?

1134
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: Forty eight wins last year?

1135
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 5: By the way, people like you to your point, forty

1136
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:02,119
eight wins, I lost money?

1137
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,519
Speaker 3: Well, what are they gonna do?

1138
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,119
Speaker 2: I'm I'm oh, I think is it six or seven?

1139
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

1140
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:08,079
Speaker 3: That's right.

1141
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: This is your team, Dan, I mean, this is your

1142
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:13,000
like bizarro team. I have never about thelies.

1143
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,639
Speaker 2: I have not successfully picked the Grizzlies over under, and

1144
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:17,039
I think it's six or seven years.

1145
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: It's at least six, it might be seven years.

1146
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1147
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,079
Speaker 4: You know what that tells me, you took them to

1148
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,800
take the under six in the last seven years because

1149
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,480
they've hit the over. They've hit the over in every

1150
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,039
one of Ja Morant's season except for the one where

1151
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:30,960
he played nine games.

1152
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was the one that I went. I

1153
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,360
remember that year saying I'm gonna go over because I'm

1154
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,159
always fucking wrong, and that's what happened.

1155
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:41,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, So actually I don't even know what the number is.

1156
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: I'm I think I think this is like a forty

1157
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,719
five win team. I think I think forty five wins

1158
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,239
seems totally reasonable. So yeah, I would I would peg

1159
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,679
him at forty five. Last year, I think I took

1160
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,199
him at like forty six. So maybe I should turn

1161
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:57,880
it back more.

1162
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: But I don't know. Maybe I've softened, so.

1163
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:01,639
Speaker 5: I think you need to go the other way. I

1164
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,159
think you should probably go for fifty.

1165
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: And just I've been trying, I've been trying to work

1166
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:13,000
up this take that the Desmond Baine trade is the

1167
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:16,840
new Rudy Gay trade. Back in the day, they traded

1168
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,360
Rudy Gay for Tayshawn Prince and Ed Davis, and everyone

1169
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,199
was like, why are we trading Rudy Gay, He's or

1170
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:29,320
whatever best player. But the shots redistributed among Mike Conley

1171
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,320
and Mark Gasol, and the team got really, really good

1172
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,639
after that. They had the best run in franchise history

1173
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,239
after that. I do not necessarily think that was because

1174
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,639
of Rudy Gay, but that's that's the generally accepted narrative.

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Getting rid of Rudy Gay actually gave Mark the ball Moore,

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gave Mike the ball Moore, and they all filled the

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roles much better, became a more cohesive team. What if

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getting rid of Desmond Baine giving those shots to Edie

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and Jaron and jaw letting, Cedric Coward and jay Lewells

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and a CP be the role players. What if that

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is actually additioned by subtraction. I don't believe it, but

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I'm trying to get.

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Speaker 5: You. Could you could sell it? I think, just workshop

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it a little more, Just be a little you know, more.

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Speaker 2: Disingenuous, turning into other players that are better than.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to cleaning the glass. I'm gonna find

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some lineup dating.

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Speaker 5: There's a way there.

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Speaker 3: I can do it.

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Speaker 2: Keith, Before we let you go, could we get another

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Grizzlies prediction from you for this season?

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Speaker 1: It can be whatever you want it to be.

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Speaker 4: John Conchar finally traded John Conchard finish the year on

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the Grizzlies.

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Speaker 2: Spiciest prediction we've had yet. I think we'll get this

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entire process. That'll be a that'll be a somber day

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in Memphis. If he gets traded like well they use

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to get off his contract, that what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: Let's they read up a player with picks and stretch

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a guy for the third straight year.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, how many first rounders do you think it would

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take to get Marcus Smart back?

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Speaker 3: Is my real question under that new contract. I don't know, man,

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I don't know's it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's not great when you send away a contract with

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the eighteenth pick to salary dump it and then the

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guy gives a buy out to the new team. The

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Wizards did witchcraft work with their cap management, and like

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the way they unloaded money and got picks for it,

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and then those players less. Incredible work by the Wizards. Again,

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it's easier to do that stuff when you're not trying

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to be good.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm glad we circled back to praising shrewd

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financial decisions.

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Speaker 3: It's say that's right.

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Speaker 5: This is really our brand around here, Keith.

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Speaker 2: Before we let you go, are you able just to

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tell our audience where they can find you and all

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the fantastic work that you put out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, general NBA fans, just make sure you to listen

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to the Fast Break Breakfast podcast and if you want

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to know anything about the Grizzlies, go subscribe to the

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Gritson Grinds Grizzlies podcast on YouTube.

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Speaker 5: And after you do that, rate review, subscribe for our

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stuff too, because we also make podcasts. Not a lot

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of NBA podcasts out there, so we like to just

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let people know. Thank you Keith, Thank you Dan. Looking

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forward to Dan being wrong about the Grizzlies for our

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fourteenth straight year. We'll do it again next year. Thanks

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a lot. Shout Spring, Milo Keen. Apologies, Jared Allen