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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on Demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a Monday morning, April fourteenth, and we started

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<v Speaker 2>another week.

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<v Speaker 1>A big story we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking at is on Friday, President Trump once again changed

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<v Speaker 2>his mind about the tariffs. If you remember, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty five percent tariffs on all Chinese goods coming

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<v Speaker 2>into the country, and then he went, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give you some exceptions, and that is some

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<v Speaker 2>electronic products for example, iPhones, iPads, certain chips for example.

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<v Speaker 2>The backlash was such that people were saying, we're we're

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<v Speaker 2>being told that iPhones were going to cost three times

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<v Speaker 2>as much and it is. So he's okay, we won't

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<v Speaker 2>do that, and he goes, but the tariff is still

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<v Speaker 2>in place. It's just in a different bucket, which means

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<v Speaker 2>all I'm doing is stop it or withholding it for

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. The markets are just no one knows what

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<v Speaker 2>to do with this stuff. It changes not day to day,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes hour by hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me tell you what's going on. In California.

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<v Speaker 2>We think of illegal aliens, illegal migrants coming over the

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<v Speaker 2>border as Hispanic Latinos Mexican primarily, but still you have

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<v Speaker 2>Central America and they make that long trek and it's

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<v Speaker 2>so difficult. Now it becomes impossible for them to cross

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<v Speaker 2>the border. I mean, the one of the things about

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is he has succeeded in effectively shutting down the border,

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<v Speaker 2>not only physically, but making it almost impossible for anybody

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<v Speaker 2>to claim asylum. There was an app that used to

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<v Speaker 2>be available for migrants asking for asylum, a program that's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>People coming over and making it across the border and

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<v Speaker 2>then immediately being arrested, wanting to get arrested asking for

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<v Speaker 2>asylum gone, and so this huge number of migrants coming over.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so much anymore. Here's the demographic change Asians.

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<v Speaker 2>For the last twenty years, more Asians have immigrated to

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<v Speaker 2>California than Latin Americanos. And we're just starting to understand

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<v Speaker 2>it and deal with it because it takes a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Why we have a hard time counting. Is because the

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<v Speaker 2>Asians come over and they are here on H one

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<v Speaker 2>B visas, here on student visas, so everybody knows, the

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<v Speaker 2>government knows who they are. Latinos who come in over

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<v Speaker 2>the border fly under the radar. They don't want the

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<v Speaker 2>government to know that they are here. You know, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>Silicon Valley, two percent of the residents are now immigrants,

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<v Speaker 2>where most coming from China and India.

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<v Speaker 1>La County we still have.

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<v Speaker 2>More immigrants from south of the border. So why Well,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the big reasons is the technology revolution. That

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<v Speaker 2>you have these companies who hire Indians from India dot Indians,

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<v Speaker 2>not feather Indians. And they are highly skilled people in

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<v Speaker 2>the technical world. And there aren't enough of those highly

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<v Speaker 2>skilled people out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what do you do. You bring in feurners.

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<v Speaker 2>You bring in people who have the skill level who

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<v Speaker 2>have a hard time getting jobs. Read China, read India, Taiwan,

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<v Speaker 2>various other countries coming in and particularly Asian countries.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're here.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump is saying no stopping student visas. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>most of the student visas that come over Latinos don't

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<v Speaker 2>come over and go to college from south of the border.

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<v Speaker 1>Asians coming over go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>The UC system has forty two thousand Asians in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the UC system loves foreign students

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<v Speaker 2>because they pay foreign student tuition, which is astronomical keeping

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<v Speaker 2>the school alive. So you've got student visas, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>h one b visus highly technical, technically skilled people that

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<v Speaker 2>the tech companies want.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where you've got companies.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Google and Apple and Meta are at odds with

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<v Speaker 2>the president because they want to keep Elon Musk is

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<v Speaker 2>very much at odds with the President when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to these kinds of visas and student visas. Why because

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<v Speaker 2>these companies need highly skilled people and there aren't enough

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<v Speaker 2>of them. On the other side of the coin is

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<v Speaker 2>you have agricultural workers who are primarily Latino and let's

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<v Speaker 2>not let them in, making it impossible for them to

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<v Speaker 2>come over. Which understand, we've got to protect our borders,

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<v Speaker 2>but what do you do with the great pickers and

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<v Speaker 2>people that pick strawberries? Americans just don't do that work.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe it's to the point where they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to pay strawberry pickers thirty five dollars an hour

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<v Speaker 2>because that's the only way you're going to get enough people. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the cost of strawberries? What is the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of anything? I mean, it's going to totally change everything.

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<v Speaker 2>When we talk about President Trump changing what we know

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<v Speaker 2>as modern America, I don't think any of the president

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<v Speaker 2>is going to come close to making these kinds of changes.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about a revolution the way this country goes. Boy,

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<v Speaker 2>that is certainly President Trump. And a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with a secondary issue, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>the immigration and what jobs are going to be filled.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep in mind, the whole point of all of this

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<v Speaker 2>is to bring back manufacturing jobs. By the way, manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>jobs are not the greatest jobs either. I mean think

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<v Speaker 2>about that. You know, you're in an assembly line. You're

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<v Speaker 2>doing the same thing over and over and over again

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<v Speaker 2>every day. I mean, that's fultifying. And why did anybody

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<v Speaker 2>bitch and moan when robotics came in? You still kept

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<v Speaker 2>American jobs at American assembly plants, but robotics just took

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<v Speaker 2>over eliminated what ninety percent of the jobs in car

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<v Speaker 2>assembly plants and other assembly manufacturing is going by way

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<v Speaker 2>of technology and you can't say no to that. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot more complicated. But the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 2>Asians okay, And you're gonna see Asians going and getting

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<v Speaker 2>those high tech jobs. Matter of fact, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the ads for jobs, look at the classified and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll you'll see right under for example engineering, Uh, you

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<v Speaker 2>have corporate administrators, then you have mo goo guide jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>which is right there on the classified Okay, coming up

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<v Speaker 2>the border patrol. Lame, pardon lame, of course, it's lame, lame,

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<v Speaker 2>but thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>What was my was my mi cod? Now have you

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<v Speaker 1>been to home depot lately?

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<v Speaker 2>And it used to be you go to home depot

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<v Speaker 2>and there were dozens of, let you know, men who

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<v Speaker 2>were looking for work and they would stand around. It

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<v Speaker 2>was casual labor and the vast majority, if not all

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<v Speaker 2>of them were illegal, and they people used to hire them.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't now why, because there aren't any The Border

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<v Speaker 2>Patrol in Kern County just swept a home depot. Cal

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<v Speaker 2>Matters investigated this, and the ACLU sued, saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that were picked up, the only reason they were

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<v Speaker 2>picked up is because they are brown.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the lawsuit goes on and it sued.

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<v Speaker 2>The ACLU sues saying that there was violation Fourth Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>protection against arbitrary arrests because agents targeted people solely for

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<v Speaker 2>looking Latino or like farm workers. And how does the

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<v Speaker 2>government respond, Well, the government came back and said, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>deny that it happened. By the way, didn't deny it's

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<v Speaker 2>coming in the Border Patrol swept these police these places

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<v Speaker 2>and arrested dozens of people, and the Department of Homeland

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<v Speaker 2>Security said, okay, we're going to retrain. We're retrained more

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<v Speaker 2>than nine hundred California based border patrol agents. Now they

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<v Speaker 2>know it did not have been anything wrongdoing. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do anything wrong. However, they're retraining agents, and the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of Border Patrols Centro sector said that the agents targeted

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<v Speaker 2>specific people with criminal and deportation histories. Now that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting. How do they know someone that at home

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<v Speaker 2>depot that is a criminal. Well, it turns out that

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<v Speaker 2>calum Matters went ahead and investigated. Seventy eight people were

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<v Speaker 2>arrested in what was called Operation Returned to Sender.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the great name. I mean, it's just I

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<v Speaker 1>love the names the government. Oh my god, isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>like an Elvis song?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, it's hilarious. So seventy eight people were arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy seven of the seventy eight had no criminal no

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<v Speaker 2>immigration issues at all, and the lawsuit says they were

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<v Speaker 2>picked up simply because they were brown, that is illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the same time that the government said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true, we picked up legitimately because we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>for criminals. The DHS is arguing in court against this

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit that the court doesn't have jurisdiction to review border

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<v Speaker 2>patrolled attentions, and that seems to be what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with the Trump administration, and that is any lawsuit that

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<v Speaker 2>is filed. In addition to fighting the lawsuit, the argument

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<v Speaker 2>is and the court doesn't have jurisdiction. The court has

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<v Speaker 2>no jurisdiction over the executive branch on any matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what it is here.

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<v Speaker 2>So in addition to saying we didn't do anything wrong

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<v Speaker 2>and the court doesn't have jurisdiction, Senior Border Patrol official

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<v Speaker 2>Sergio Guzman said, agents were issued updated legal guidance. The

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers for the FED said, accordingly to the lawsuit, remember

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<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong, We did everything right, and the courts don't

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<v Speaker 2>have jurisdiction. So also in the statement or in the response,

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<v Speaker 2>Border patrols prompt responsive and demonstrated commitment to forestalling similar

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<v Speaker 2>alleged violations in the future. Renders an injunction because the

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<v Speaker 2>ASLU asked for an injunction. An injunction right there until

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<v Speaker 2>this thing is heard. So the renders an injunction inappropriate

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<v Speaker 2>either as a matter of mootness, which means no one's

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested. That's you know, it's done. So that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When you bring something in front of the court, there

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<v Speaker 2>has to be an active case. If there is no case,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's no one being damaged, then there is no case.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's a matter of mootness or lack of

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<v Speaker 2>cognizable continued and future irrepara irrepairable injury. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>if nothing is happening, you can't argue injury because it's

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<v Speaker 2>never going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're training El Centro sector agents to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>they don't arrest people just because they are brown. But

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, we're not arresting people just because they're brown.

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<v Speaker 2>We're arresting people because they're violating the law and they're criminals. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven out of seventy eight we're not criminals. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing everything right, We've done nothing. But we will

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<v Speaker 2>retrain our agents. Oh, by the way, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the authority to tell us what to do, because the

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<v Speaker 2>courts don't have authority over this. I gotta tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when I first said and I'm going to repeat it.

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<v Speaker 1>Over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump gets re elected and we're in for a

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<v Speaker 2>roller coaster ride.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no guard rails now. First term, there were.

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<v Speaker 2>He sort of paid attention to what the norms and

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<v Speaker 2>the guard rails and the law was about. In terms

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<v Speaker 2>of presidential actions. This time around, not even close, not

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<v Speaker 2>even close. He has put his followers, He has put

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<v Speaker 2>to people that are one loyal to him above anything else,

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<v Speaker 2>and those are the people that are running the government now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what's happening. Okay. Now, marketing.

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<v Speaker 2>I always find marketing fascinating, particularly in the world of food.

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<v Speaker 1>And Twinkies is well, it's not as big as it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be. JM.

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<v Speaker 2>Smucker owns Twinkies, by the way, also ding Dongs and Doughnuts,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's trying to figure out how do we get

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<v Speaker 2>Twinkies back on the front burner. And so there's a

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<v Speaker 2>group of people out there. There's a demographic that they're

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<v Speaker 2>now reaching with the Munchi Mobile. The motors Mobile launches

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<v Speaker 2>April twentieth, oh Marijuana Day to promote to promote hostess

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<v Speaker 2>brands like the Twinkies and ding Dongs, and so clearly

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<v Speaker 2>who are they going after. They're going after the stoners,

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>A few weeks ago, I took a gummy thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what, you know what the munchies are like.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is the first time I ever heard of a

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<v Speaker 1>Did too?

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<v Speaker 3>Way that it was like, wasn't talk about I can't remember,

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<v Speaker 3>but someone did Fourth Meal late night, like basically saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Well they didn't say when you're smoking pot, no, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was inferred. This is a straight out

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<v Speaker 2>munchie mo deal mobile. When do you get tell me

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<v Speaker 2>when you get the munchies? And it isn't directly connected

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<v Speaker 1>It's the munchies and they're recognizing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a big enough market that they're saying, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going for it. And so it's not gonna be in California,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be in some of the eastern seaboard

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<v Speaker 2>states and it has to Smuckers bought this company and

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<v Speaker 2>paid four point six billion dollars for it, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, maybe maybe not such a good deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're scrambling and the company's Smuckers chief marketing officers said,

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<v Speaker 2>consumers don't do three meals.

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<v Speaker 1>A day anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>To your point, Neil and Amy, they're actually doing mini

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<v Speaker 2>meals throughout the day. So snacking has become something as

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Creating new products, mini version of Hostess snacks. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring back Susie cues, the steaks, I mean the cakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the steaks. I feel like you know Linda McMahon here,

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<v Speaker 1>do you?

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, Bill, Once they get purchased and bought

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<v Speaker 1>The cakes have been getting smaller.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways, how much smaller can they make them for snack

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're costing a whole lot more well, like everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>And the company is also scheduling digital ads to pop

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<v Speaker 2>up around snack times, around munchie times, like after lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>after dinner, that's straight out snack time, that's not particularly

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<v Speaker 2>stoner time, and using geo targeting technology, the ads to

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<v Speaker 1>The ad up at pops.

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<v Speaker 2>Smucker is also given hostess packaging, a sleeker designed and

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<v Speaker 2>there's now an advertising campaign called Speaky Snacky. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do well, isn't it? Who came up with that?

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<v Speaker 2>You fire someone who comes up with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's kind of stupid. Now here's what they're

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<v Speaker 2>The Munchimobile is going to drive around and this is

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<v Speaker 2>hot dog, and that became iconic. Now they still have wienermobiles,

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<v Speaker 2>Munchimobile is gonna do is you get a free hostess

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<v Speaker 2>snack if you recite designated phrases love I bet you

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to donuts, I have the munchiesh again, I would

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<v Speaker 2>fire whoever says that, But it's a phrase that pops

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<v Speaker 2>up on social media, and it is something that if

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<v Speaker 2>you repeat that phrase to someone in the Munchy Mobile,

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<v Speaker 2>you get a free ding dong or you get a cupcake.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I can't wait to see that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Used to be easier, Bill, when you could just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that twinkies were second most to What's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna or Who's Gonna survive? After a nuclear blast. Cockroaches

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<v Speaker 2>were number one, Twinkies were number two.

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<v Speaker 3>remember what the original Twinkie flavor was?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, custard was a banana, wasn't it nana?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>It was banana.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, Amy, you are gagging at this point. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Trial starts today and it is a big one. It's

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<v Speaker 2>that Meta illegally built a social networking monopoly through years

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<v Speaker 2>the judge rules against Meta, why not could be forced

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<v Speaker 2>all the other tech giants are looking and going, oh so,

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<v Speaker 2>who is pursuing this case? The Federal Trade Commission, which

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<v Speaker 2>has operated with historically remarkable independence. Well, those norms have

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<v Speaker 2>While this trial was basically being put together, Zuckerberg has

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<v Speaker 2>resolve the FTC case. Meta donated a million dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's inauguration. Now here's the interesting part. The case against

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<v Speaker 2>FTC commissioners appointed by Trump, Trump with nearly every state

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<v Speaker 2>attorney general's office, investigated Meta's past acquisitions of Instagram and

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<v Speaker 1>The suit was thrown six months.

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<v Speaker 2>Later Meta one, but the FTC, by then under Biden's appointees,

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<v Speaker 2>He is also presiding over the trial because there's no jury.

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<v Speaker 1>So where does Trump come in personally?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he has attacked the judge as a radical left

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<v Speaker 2>lunatic and called for his impeachment. Now, under normal circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>a president's personal relationships and opinions would have no bearing

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<v Speaker 2>on a federal trial. But these are not normal times, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He fired two Democrats on the FTC even though a

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty five Supreme Court ruling ruled that a president

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<v Speaker 2>cannot fire any FTC commissioner without cause.

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<v Speaker 1>They went ahead and did it. There was a sixty

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<v Speaker 2>Which Inspectors, General, Oversight, Committee on oversighte people on virtually

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<v Speaker 2>every single cabinet, every single agency. They are getting fired.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are the.

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<v Speaker 2>People that root out the fraud. They're the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>law is real clearer they cannot be fired without cause.

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<v Speaker 2>And a memo was shown, you are terminated, period, no cause.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there was a thank you for your service line

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<v Speaker 2>and that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so last.

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<v Speaker 2>Year Trump acues Zuckerberg of plotting against him in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and said if he does anything illegal this time,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as others who cheat in the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four presidential election.

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<v Speaker 1>This is in anticipation of the election.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to see what happens against While Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of kind of befriending Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg has been

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is still sitting back and at this point, the

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<v Speaker 2>FTC is going balls to the wall against Meta, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you never know what the president is going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has any idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he has any idea what he's

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, coming up the next election.

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<v Speaker 2>The next election is now being attacked, and I'll explain

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<v Speaker 2>why that is going on.

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<v Speaker 1>These are such strange days. It's like impossible to keep

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<v Speaker 1>up with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk about that, and then a story about grandparents

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<v Speaker 2>and a personal issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sort of, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Dealing with it with my daughter Barbara, who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>be a mom. Oh god, seriously, I know parents like

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<v Speaker 2>having grandparents, you know, with their kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm offering her a lot of money not to be

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<v Speaker 2>a mother, and that is going up and up and up.

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<v Speaker 2>She's negotiating and doing a great job. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>KFI am six. You've been listening to The Bill Handle Show.

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