1 00:00:04,839 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,599 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:16,679 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:19,199 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,559 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,120 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:31,960 your support. As we do on our Mondays, here at 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,920 two o'clock, we talk with ap Dylan. She is a 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,560 reporter for the North State Journal and you can read 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,840 her work over at the substack. More to the story 13 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:45,399 is the name of it. Ap. How are you today? 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:46,759 Speaker 2: I'm doing good. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,759 Speaker 1: I'm doing well as well. Survive the fire drill, so 16 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:56,600 I got that going for me, all righty. So, was 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,960 there ever a doubt in your mind that Governor Josh 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,959 Stein would sign Arena's Law into law? To sign the bill, 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,359 did you think that he was going to do that? No, 20 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:11,319 you thought he'd let it run out, just run out the. 21 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:13,799 Speaker 2: Clock the last day, or he was going to let 22 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:15,519 it go in the law without a signature. 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,799 Speaker 1: So this was a surprise. I thought, yeah, I thought 24 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:21,400 he was going to veto it. That's what I thought 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,079 he was going to do. But then the longer it took, 26 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:25,640 then I started thinking, well, maybe he just like does 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,519 the pocket approval. I did not expect him to sign it, 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,079 but he did, right, and he did so with a 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,120 on a Friday. I believe it was like late in 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,239 the afternoon kind of where you like to put stories 31 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:41,400 that you don't want a lot of coverage of as 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,959 people are going into the weekend. I suspect and he 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,120 put out this video and you wrote about it at 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,480 North State Journal nsjonline dot com. So what did you 35 00:01:49,519 --> 00:01:52,040 make of his rationale for signing it. 36 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:57,319 Speaker 2: He said he wanted to keep folks safe, but yeah, 37 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:00,280 he waited ten days to put it into place, so 38 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:04,439 that was sort of a red flag for me. Yeah, 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,360 he spent like exactly two sentences praising it for, you know, 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,639 helping to keep people safe, and then he pivoted and 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,240 talked about how the law fails because it says this 42 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:18,719 is exactly what we said. The law fails, however, to 43 00:02:18,759 --> 00:02:22,360 focus appropriately on the threat that people pose instead of 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:30,840 their ability to post post fail. Okay, so the whole 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,000 point of the bill was to focus on people who 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,919 were posed a threat to society. And then he criticized 47 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,560 it for you know, not having enough you know, mental 48 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,520 health stuff in there, and how his reform package that 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,360 he had sent off earlier in the year did that. 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,159 And but the bill does have that kind of thing 51 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:48,960 in there. It has a whole starting committee looking at 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:54,199 how to how to alter you know, mental health evaluations. 53 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:57,960 It requires actually mental health evaluations for folks who have 54 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:01,639 you know, multiple repeat offenses in a given time period 55 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,560 or over a five year period. It makes them look 56 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,960 at their history, and it puts GPS monitoring or you know, 57 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:10,479 detention in place for them. So there's that. But then 58 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,919 he goes on to say, most alarmingly, the General Assembly 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,159 sprung a last minute amendment that aims to bring about 60 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:21,319 the execution by firing squad to North Carolina. It's barbaric. 61 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:23,719 There'll be no firing squads in North Carolina during my 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,680 time as governor. Well, okay, if you go and you 63 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,240 look at the bill, and nowhere in the builders would 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,439 say firing squad. It says other methods will be explored. 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,520 That could be one of them. And then the other 66 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,719 states have actually brought back firing squads, and it's up 67 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:41,639 to the inmates to choose their form of execution in 68 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:45,120 you know, twenty or thirty some states in the United States. 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,479 Speaker 1: Right now, right, And so I've got the bill now 70 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:50,800 law in front of me, and it says that the 71 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,080 Secretary of the Department of Adult Correction within one hundred 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,759 and twenty days of notice of a judgment blah blah blah, 73 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,879 if in other words, that the lethal injection is to 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,759 clared unconstitutional, and then so they can't use that. They 75 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,879 must select another method that has been adopted by another 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,599 state unless such method has been declared unconstitutional by the 77 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:15,360 Supreme Court US Supreme Credit. If the method of executions 78 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,160 selected then is declared unconstitutional, then they would have to 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,120 come up with another way to do it. And it's like, 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,560 so it doesn't ever say firing squad here. 81 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,199 Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, No, firing squad is nowhere on the bill. 82 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,639 And also it's actually nowhere in the amendment either, right. 83 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: And to be fair, he's not going to allow any 84 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:37,399 death sentences to be carried out under his tenure, I 85 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:38,839 would suspect, So it's. 86 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: Not like he's a part of the legislature that shut 87 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,199 that down, right, he was the legislature at the time. 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,079 When Democrats shut down you said, the death penalty mainly 89 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,399 over you know, legal battle and that sort of stuff. 90 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:50,920 They said, Okay, well, we're just going to pause it. 91 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,680 And then I think it was twenty thirteen when Republicans 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,120 were back in they repealed the act that put the 93 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,439 pause on it. But yet things still haven't gotten rolling 94 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,439 again due to you know, legal clime mark. So yeah, 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,680 and you've got part of the bill is speeding that up, 96 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:09,240 you know. 97 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've had Roy Cooper right exactly. 98 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: They want speedy trials for these guys, and they want 99 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,720 swift educutions. They want these people lingering on their dime 100 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:19,519 after their appeals are over for you know, decades. So 101 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:22,920 that's sort of where that goes. But you know, he 102 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,920 he said he was troubled by the bills lack of 103 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:32,199 ambition or vision nor The governor also called for measures 104 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:35,199 that seemed like red flag law language, where he said, 105 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:38,319 we can respect people's Second Amendment rights while ensuring that 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,079 everyone who has vunt or dangerously mentally ill does not 107 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,240 have access to guns. Okay, everyone can agree that mentally 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,680 ill people or violent, dangerous people shouldn't have access to guns, 109 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,600 So why are we prosecuting the ones on the books 110 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,680 and keeping them in jail. It goes right back to 111 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,439 the original question. These folks are getting released over and 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,279 over again, and many of them are violent. And then 113 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:02,040 you know, he finally goes into saying, we must fully 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:02,720 fund medicaid. 115 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's always yes. Well, I mean that's he got 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,040 that from Roy Cooper, where every single problem in the state. 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,800 Roy Cooper's answer was expand medicaid. And now because it 118 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,279 got expanded, but now the you know, funds are frozen 119 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,279 with the illegal immigration issue out there and the shutdown 120 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,959 and all, and so now I guess he's going to 121 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,360 rely on the medicaid excuse for all of these problems too. 122 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:27,519 But like the red flag law stuff like for starters, 123 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,759 if you have ever been involuntarily committed, if you have 124 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,000 these mental health problems, you're not you're not an allowed 125 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,800 buyer of a gun. You're you're a prohibited purchaser. If 126 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,639 you've got violent history, criminal history, you're a prohibited purchaser. 127 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,759 You're not allowed to buy the guns. So I'm not 128 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,399 sure what it is that he's asking for. 129 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:51,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good question. It just seems like 130 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,639 you were trying to justify his hemming and hanging of 131 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,399 actually putting this through, because I mean, what this actually 132 00:06:56,439 --> 00:06:59,920 does say is that, yeah, we've got a problem. We've 133 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:02,680 got a problem with our system releasing violent offenders, and 134 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,399 by signing this law, he's actually stamping that is true. 135 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:11,279 It's sort of a refutation of everything that happened under 136 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:14,519 the last eight years under Governor Cooper, including the Racial 137 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:18,480 Justice Task Force that Stegned co led with sitting Justice 138 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:19,399 Anita Earls. 139 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the very things that were promoted after the 140 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:28,680 summer of fiery but mostly peaceful riots. Yeah, that was 141 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,040 then part of this whole reform movement that Democrats, you know, 142 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,399 drunk on power and the pr of it. They were like, 143 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:40,079 we're gonna, you know, do all of these things, cashless bail, 144 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,199 all this stuff. And one of the things that is 145 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:46,720 in here that would require, you know, magistrates and judges, 146 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:50,120 depending on the nature of the particular crime for which 147 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,800 somebody has been brought before them, is to then get 148 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:57,720 them a mental health evaluation and to potentially hold them 149 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,839 in order to get that event, which that would have 150 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:07,040 put to Carlos Brown Junior, the murderer of Arena Zarutzka. 151 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,319 That would have put him into that evail way earlier. 152 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:16,000 But he was just you know, he was released with 153 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:17,040 a notice to appear. 154 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: And you know that's the thing with these casualst spell systems, 155 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,600 you know, it's it basically gives the criminal the freedom 156 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:28,879 to walk about and basically tells the average citizen out 157 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:30,800 there who might encounter them, Okay, good luck. 158 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,399 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, let me quickly, let me get to 159 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,879 the story. This popped in Charlotte on Friday. Miss Sharon 160 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:46,279 a dude. Ms Sharon, a bus driver, a dude that 161 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,279 thinks he's a woman and is also out there raping 162 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,320 children apparently, or I should say, well, statutory sex offense 163 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,480 with the children under the age of fifteen. And so 164 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:05,879 this story, this broke, but the person was suspendedletwain Darryl Tait, 165 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:10,879 forty eight years old, mugshot priceless, suspended by the school 166 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,200 during the investigation, and officially terminated September twenty ninth. He 167 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,440 was a bus driver for Sugar Creek Charter School in 168 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,039 the Charlotte mcklenberg School district. Now I know this is 169 00:09:21,039 --> 00:09:23,240 one of these topics you have been reporting on this 170 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:29,720 stuff for years, for years about these sex offenders that 171 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:33,679 mysteriously end up employed in our public schools. This seems 172 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,279 to me to be yet another case of it. 173 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I ended my investigations into those as of January 174 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,440 first of this year. I just couldn't keep up with 175 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,360 her anymore. I've been doing it since twenty sixteen and 176 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,399 the number of cases I was able to log was 177 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,879 over four hundred and fifty in that time period. And 178 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,360 I'm in the process now of tracking them in their 179 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,159 court cases and where they end up so that i 180 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:59,080 can see, you know, who was convicted, who was released, 181 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,879 who was acquitted, who who you know is on the 182 00:10:00,879 --> 00:10:02,720 sex offender register, that kind of thing. So I'll have 183 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,440 data probably near the end of the year and at least, 184 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,639 you know, majority of the years that got there. But 185 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:12,559 this case is this case is incredible because apparently this 186 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,960 person would bring these kids into her residence and there 187 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,600 were several boys that were involved in this, but there 188 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,960 were at least two girls according to the affidavit from 189 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,879 the arresting officer, because it talks about, you know, intercourse 190 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:28,759 with a female, so there were at least two incidents 191 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,679 of that. You know, they would he would pay them 192 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:35,799 to do some things, you know, and included a variety 193 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:41,000 of sex acts, including statutory rape. So apparently this person 194 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,120 has now got a million dollar secured bond on them, 195 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,720 which they're unable to post of course, so they're saying 196 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:48,000 put where they're supposed to be, which is, you know, 197 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:52,600 we're seeing the system actually work there, right. I got 198 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,960 a criminal history this guy already. He was convicted of 199 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,440 the class G selony of identity fraud and theft back 200 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,879 in two thousand and nine, and the data that offense 201 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:03,480 once two thousand and four, so it's not like it 202 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,639 was ancient history. He received a suspended sentence of par 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,720 and probation on that case. But if you go through 204 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,600 there are other numerous legals cases under his name in 205 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:15,200 Mecklenburg County, most of them dealing with rent money of 206 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,200 property disputes, one for giving false information to one officer, 207 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,879 and there was a couple of court cases in there 208 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,879 dealing with, you know, a miner who wasn't in or 209 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:28,360 two miners that were not in their car seats, and 210 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,799 at least three cases dealing with divorce and custody battles 211 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,120 over a child. Apparently, so this person has a child 212 00:11:36,159 --> 00:11:39,480 out there or two that I think this will probably 213 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:40,879 put the end of their custody case. 214 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: So why do you make it seem like getting arrested 215 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,919 for not having your miners properly restrained in the vehicle. 216 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,559 Why would you suggest that that would have any impact 217 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,039 as to whether or not Ms Sharon would make a 218 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:56,879 good bus driver? 219 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean child safety. 220 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeahs, yes, the transportation of a child in a motor 221 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:09,600 vehicle seems like something that would be relevant to getting 222 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,080 hired to transport children in motor vehicles that I don't know, 223 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,080 call me crazy, but that seems like something that should 224 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,879 have popped out on a background check, which I don't 225 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:22,039 even think they were doing these background checks for. They 226 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:24,639 do them now, right, but that wasn't always the case. 227 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,639 Speaker 2: That wasn't always the case, and they should have done 228 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:30,679 one on this person. For anyone who's involved in public 229 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,279 school or a public charter school is supposed to get 230 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:38,559 background checks before healing or being encountering the children. So 231 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:40,600 I don't know if they didn't go far enough back, 232 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:43,399 or if they just didn't do it or what, but 233 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,320 this person probably should have hit their radar for a 234 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:49,200 number of reasons, you know, But they didn't do their 235 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:54,360 due diligence clearly. So it's a very disturbing case and 236 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:55,879 the mugshot is one in a million. 237 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Yes, well you can read. Yeah, you 238 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,240 can read all of these details over at AP Dylan 239 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,360 Substack it's called More to the Story or Apdylan dot 240 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,879 substack dot com. You can read her work also at 241 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:11,399 North State Journal nsjonline dot com. AP thanks so much 242 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,679 for your time. As always, I appreciate. 243 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,039 Speaker 2: It absolutely, Pete. Thanks. 244 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,399 Speaker 1: Thanks. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make 245 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,039 sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to 246 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,080 the people of our past while transcending generations. 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It's like three and a half minutes, Yeah, 266 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:38,879 three and a half minutes of just pure distilled Josh 267 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:47,120 Stein in all of his enthusiasm and his dynamism. I mean, 268 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,120 it's just the perfect distillation of Josh Stein the governor. 269 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,600 Couple things I will say before I'm going to play 270 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,879 that after the newscast, because there's not enough time to 271 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:58,200 play it all, and I want to start it and 272 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,279 stop it. Okay, wouldn't say, because I will be starting 273 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:03,159 it and stopping it as I'm watching it, because he's 274 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:06,279 going to say stuff that I will want to respond to. 275 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:10,279 So okay, but I want to do that in one 276 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,799 full segment. But I will say this before you is 277 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,480 that number one. At least he did a video because 278 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:22,679 he could have just let this thing become law, Arena's law. 279 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,720 He could have let it become law without actually signing it. 280 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:30,120 That would have been the most cowardly way to go. However, 281 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,159 that would have been the most politically damaging way to 282 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,600 go short of a veto, okay, because if he vetos it, 283 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:40,480 then he's soft on crime. If he doesn't sign it, 284 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:44,000 they can also attack him for being soft on crime 285 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:46,399 because he did not sign it. So he kind of 286 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:50,960 really had to sign it, and that's why he waited 287 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,480 the ten days. He went till the very end of it, 288 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,120 the last day possible, and then he signs it, and 289 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:01,000 he doesn't do a big announcement, he doesn't celebrated, he 290 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,200 doesn't have people all around him as he signs it 291 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:06,559 or anything like that. He just does a straight to 292 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:09,759 the camera, you know video statement three and a half 293 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,080 minutes where he basically trashes the law that he signed. Okay, 294 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,039 and he did this on a Friday afternoon. Doing it 295 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,480 on a Friday afternoon means that you're trying to minimize 296 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:27,840 the reach of this story. Because most people check out 297 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:32,159 for the weekends. 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It's a pocket approval, 331 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:35,240 not a pocket veto. So he kind of got jammed 332 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:39,039 up here. He had to Basically, he had to sign it, okay, 333 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:43,480 because I think the political costs of not doing so 334 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,039 would be too great If he wants to run away 335 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,119 from the soft on crime label. So he needed this 336 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,480 in the in the portfolio. He needs it on the 337 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:01,039 resume whenever anybody says to him, Oh, race Roy Cooper's 338 00:19:01,319 --> 00:19:04,599 Racial Justice Equity task Force that you co chaired with 339 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,039 Anita Earls that did all of these left wing reforms 340 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,720 quote unquote. If he wants to run for higher office 341 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:16,680 in the future, let alone reelection as governor, he's got 342 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,599 to find a way to insulate himself from that attack, 343 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,880 and this was the way to do it. He can 344 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,759 now say, well, I signed Arena's law. So here's his 345 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,759 statement explaining why he signed Arena's law. Try to remember 346 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:34,960 what he says here for in the future, in whatever 347 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,119 it is, what five years, six years from now, when 348 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,200 he's going to be running for Senate or president or 349 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:46,759 vice president or whatever, that this is what he said 350 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:48,319 why he signed the law. 351 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,559 Speaker 3: It's Josh Stein, your governor. My top priority is to 352 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,680 keep people safe here in North Carolina. We've recently had 353 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,480 two tragic reminders of just how important it is that 354 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:03,039 we do everything in our power to protect people. Our 355 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:06,440 hearts ache for the families of Arena Zarutzka and the 356 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:09,640 three people who were killed in Southport, and we all 357 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,039 pray for those injured to heal. These random murders raised 358 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:18,079 real concerns for people all over the state. Everyone deserves 359 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,039 to be and to feel safe in their daily lives 360 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:24,839 on their way to or from work at school. 361 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: Imagine if there was somebody run that was running the 362 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,039 Attorney General's office for yeah, I don't know, like eight 363 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,200 years or so, they probably could have made a real difference. 364 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,759 I know, we've got the baby Jesus now as Attorney 365 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,799 General Jeff Jackson. I wonder if he could make a 366 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:48,279 real difference as the top law enforcement officer in the 367 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,240 state and all or I guess Jeff Jackson's I think 368 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,000 he was running on a campaign of I'll be the 369 00:20:54,039 --> 00:20:56,640 top prosecutor, but that's not really what the AG does. 370 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,759 But imagine if we had had just anybody that thought 371 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:03,920 like Josh Stein as the Attorney general for like the 372 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,720 last eight years, imagine what could wait what, Oh he 373 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:16,720 was the attorney general? Oh well that's weird. Huh. Oh 374 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,759 that's how he ended up getting appointed to be the 375 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,200 co chair of that task force that yeah, that recommended 376 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:28,559 all of the the lefty reforms. Okay, well that's interesting. 377 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:31,359 I don't think he's probably going to mention that here at. 378 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,599 Speaker 3: Their place of worship, in a restaurant, and in their 379 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:38,440 own home. We can and must do more to keep 380 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,599 people safe. When I review public safety legislation that comes 381 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,920 to my desk, I use one simple test. 382 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:47,759 Speaker 1: Well, okay, hang on a second that before I even 383 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:50,319 know what this test is. That does not sound like 384 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:55,400 a very good way to judge legislation. Okay, one test 385 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,240 be wead of anybody that says there's only one simple 386 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:03,519 test here there, because, as Thomas Soule says, there are 387 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:06,599 no solutions, there are only trade offs. Right, So what 388 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:08,799 is the all right, what's the test here? I don't know. 389 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,559 Let's find out. 390 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:13,839 Speaker 3: Does it make people safer? Hospital three oh seven or 391 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,599 Arena's Law alerts the judiciary to take a special look 392 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:21,559 at people who may pose unusual risks of violence before 393 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:22,480 determining their. 394 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: Bail, right, which is kind of what we used to 395 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,160 do before you came along and said, hey, let's go 396 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,960 soft on the crime with the cashless bail stuff. By 397 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,759 the way, if that's your simple test, does it make 398 00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:38,119 people safer? I don't think it's going to make death 399 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:44,160 row inmates safer, right, So that's why I say, like, 400 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,599 this is a pretty silly test. It doesn't make like 401 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,680 criminal defendants safer because they may end up going into 402 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,319 prison right more easily. And that's what the left has 403 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,880 been telling us they're trying to avoid with the whole 404 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,400 you know, decarceerrate movement that grip the Democrat Party for 405 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:05,920 the first half of this decade. So, yeah, I'm not 406 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,079 sure this bill actually passes your one simple test. That's 407 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,960 why I say, beware of the simple tests and the 408 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,440 people that employ them. 409 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,519 Speaker 3: That's a good thing, and why I have signed it 410 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:17,079 into law. 411 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop there too, So and I know, 412 00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:23,240 like it's okay. So he's saying that's the only reason 413 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,640 why he signed this into law was because of this 414 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,400 one provision that essentially says you can't just be turning 415 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,440 everybody loose with the casualst bail stuff anymore, which is 416 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,599 one of the recommendations that the left has been pushing 417 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,480 for and that we have seen in our court system 418 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:44,000 again for the last half decade. So was that a mistake? See? 419 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:47,039 I would love, I would love to be able to 420 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,279 ask the question of the governor, Well, was that a mistake? 421 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,680 Was the casualst bail quote unquote reforms. Was that all 422 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,559 a mistake that Democrats made and pushing for? Was the 423 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,160 defund the police? Was that a mistake? Were these policies 424 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,759 a mistake and we should shun them. We've tried them, 425 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,240 they don't work. We should reverse course. And anybody who 426 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:15,640 espoused these things, maybe we shouldn't take them seriously, particularly 427 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,160 when they talk about simple tests and such. Maybe these 428 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,359 are the things that I would ask. But he didn't 429 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,119 do a press conference, nor was I even invited to 430 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:31,920 any press conference ever. So when I was a kid, 431 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,759 my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my 432 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:36,680 mom and my dad took care of him as he 433 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,559 got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and 434 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,720 not much support for caregivers and family. But things are 435 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,359 different today because of the work of so many people, 436 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,920 including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great 437 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,279 organization with awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a 438 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,240 supporter for twenty five years. This cause means a lot 439 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:58,599 to me. 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Got a message on the 459 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:56,720 WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC from Bob 460 00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:03,960 who referenday Governor Josh Stein the closure of barn doors 461 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,759 once horses have departed. We're going to call him the 462 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:13,519 tardy barn door closer. That's Josh Stein. Yes, So does 463 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:18,039 this Arena's law make people safer? That's his one simple test. 464 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,400 By the way, he's kind of cutting the legs out 465 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,440 from under the Democrats in the legislature on this. I mean, 466 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,119 they got up there and they were like, oh, you 467 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,519 can't pass this, this is terrible woe unto our democracy. 468 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,759 And now here's their fellow Democrat, the governor, signing it, 469 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,200 which is, eh, I guess you're I guess you're in 470 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,960 disagreement with your own governor. See. I would love to 471 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,799 hear journalists go and ask all of those state lawmakers, 472 00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,720 the Democrats who were accusing Republicans of all sorts of 473 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,119 nefarious news for running this bill as they did, what 474 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,720 they think of their own governor now signing it into law. 475 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,640 So anyway, back to Josh Stein's video statement, we have 476 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,599 about two minutes left. 477 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 3: The law fails, however, to focus appropriately on the threat 478 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,200 that people pose instead of their ability to post bail. 479 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: All right, So this is the line that is kind 480 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,240 of misleading. I would I'm really understanding it. He's saying 481 00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:31,680 that the law it fails to focus appropriately on the 482 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:38,559 threat that people pose instead of their ability to post bail. 483 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,880 But that is the threat. That's exactly the threat is 484 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,599 that when you don't have to post bail, then you 485 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,400 get out, and that's the threat to the public. I'm 486 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,559 not sure who wrote this speech of is fail and. 487 00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 3: Most alarming, the General Assembly sprung a last minute amendment 488 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,079 that aims to bring about execution by firing squad to 489 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,359 North Carolina. It's bar Barrick. There will be no firing 490 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,720 squads in North Carolina during my time. 491 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: As governor again, and we went over this with ap Dylan, 492 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,079 not actually in the law. 493 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:17,319 Speaker 3: Beyond those specific concerns with the legislation, I'm troubled by 494 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,599 its lack of ambition or vision. 495 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: Wait, isn't that your job, Like you're the governor. If 496 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:28,400 you sign this into law, shouldn't you have helped to 497 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,799 advance the ambition or vision or so. It didn't do enough, 498 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,519 it didn't go far enough. In fact, that's what he says. 499 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:39,039 It simply does not do enough. 500 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: It simply does not do enough to keep you safe. 501 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,279 That's why I'm calling on the legislature to come back 502 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,359 and pass my comprehensive public safety package. 503 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,799 Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, no, that's not happening. We're not going 504 00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,079 to pass your package, sorry, a. 505 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: Package that includes more cops on the beat, well trained 506 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,440 and public spirited, building trust in the community, and keeping 507 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:01,400 people safe. 508 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,119 Speaker 1: Yet you guys ran a campaign for half a decade 509 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,640 of defunding the police. So forgive me if I don't 510 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,960 believe you that you actually want to expand the police 511 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,400 forces in these cities that are controlled by Democrats who 512 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,440 also do not want to expand the police forces in 513 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,279 their cities. So no, I'm again not buying us. 514 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: Violence prevention measures like keeping kids out of gangs and 515 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,519 getting people off drugs. 516 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: More violence interrupters, I say, more violence interrupters. 517 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: And if we're serious about making people safer, we have 518 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720 to acknowledge the role that guns and mental health play 519 00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,640 and violence that we're seeing all across the country. We 520 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,599 can respect people's Second Amendment rights while also ensuring that 521 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,160 anyone who is violent or dangerously mentally ill does not 522 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:50,880 have access to guns. 523 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,359 Speaker 1: Already the law. 524 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: Let's use comprehensive background checks keep guns out of the 525 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,160 hands of violent criminals and dangerous people. 526 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: We already have that. It's called Nick's National System. That 527 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,039 you go to buy a gun legally, you go and 528 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,079 buy a gun and they run you through Nicks. So 529 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:06,920 it's already the law. 530 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:10,519 Speaker 3: And let's give family members and law enforcement the power 531 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,680 to seek to temporarily remove a gun from someone who 532 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:18,720 is a danger to others or themselves. Finally, we must 533 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,160 have a well functioning mental health care system that gets 534 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,759 people the treatment that they need. In recent years, on 535 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:29,400 a bipartisan basis, we've made some real progress, but we 536 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,799 all know that it's not not enough. 537 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe if Roy Cooper hadn't shut down Drothy Dix 538 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,640 the mental institution, Like maybe if he hadn't done that, 539 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,720 think they turned it into like a park or something. Now, 540 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,440 so that would have been something that you, as a 541 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,759 member of the Council of State at the time or 542 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,279 a member of the legislature, like maybe you could have 543 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,880 opposed something like that. But hey, look at least Democrats 544 00:30:53,960 --> 00:31:02,000 now are talking about the possibility of institutionalizing violent, insane people. 545 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,720 So let's take the win here. Let's take the win. 546 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,759 All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 547 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:11,839 so much for listening. I could not do the show 548 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,359 without your support and the support of the businesses that 549 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,559 advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support 550 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,240 them too and tell them you heard it here. 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