Speaker 1: It's nice size.
Speaker 2: Dan rays Undone, Boston, some news radio.
Speaker 1: All right, we have surprisingly entered now our third hour
Speaker 1: talking about the possible comeback of COVID, And for those
Speaker 1: of you who are just joining us from around the
Speaker 1: country and from around New England, we expected to do
Speaker 1: an hour on this topic. We have done much more
Speaker 1: than an hour, as you can tell. The reason that
Speaker 1: I was interested in this was I noticed that the
Speaker 1: federal government has now decided to send out free COVID kits.
Speaker 1: They're not available now but by later this month, and
Speaker 1: today is obviously the twenty third of September, so within
Speaker 1: a week you'll be able to sign up, and just
Speaker 1: as it has in the past, sent out COVID test
Speaker 1: Now I don't know that that was done a year ago.
Speaker 1: Maybe someone remembers it or not, but it struck me
Speaker 1: a little odd. And I've seen an uptick in the
Speaker 1: number of new cases and the number of new deaths
Speaker 1: here in Massachusetts. And I read some materials that said
Speaker 1: that COVID was coming back. Now maybe it comes back
Speaker 1: just because it's late summer, early fall. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Bottom line is, I'm asking people, and we've had a
Speaker 1: lot of different points of view tonight, which is what
Speaker 1: I think makes this show the most interesting. We could
Speaker 1: talk politics every night, but I try to find different topics.
Speaker 1: So we had intended to talk a little bit today
Speaker 1: about some of the information that was disclosed at the
Speaker 1: federal hearing today of the second Trump Assassin. We may
Speaker 1: get to that later, but in the meantime, if you folks,
Speaker 1: as I say, you folks, want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: let's keep rolling. I'm going next to my good friend
Speaker 1: Betty on the boat. Betty in the boat, you were
Speaker 1: next on nights side. How are you tonight?
Speaker 3: Coming home from cribbage?
Speaker 1: How'd you do?
Speaker 3: I want all the man just that I play, And
Speaker 3: I have no.
Speaker 1: Idea how to play cribbage, but I'm I'm sure it's entertainment.
Speaker 1: Is this with just friends or do you go somewhere
Speaker 1: and really compete against strangers?
Speaker 3: Well, tonight it was a social group, and tomorrow night
Speaker 3: I play with the American Cribbage Congress in Olington. Really yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Gotta look this up and figure out what I've heard
Speaker 1: of it, But I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3: I'd be glad to give you some points and teach
Speaker 3: you how to play.
Speaker 1: If only I was back in Boston, Betty, I'd come
Speaker 1: out and sit in the boat and learn with you, but.
Speaker 3: Glad to teach you. As far as COVID goes, it's
Speaker 3: not going away. It's not ever going to go away.
Speaker 3: It's here to stay. That my feeling is is that
Speaker 3: my doctor turned around and looked at me, and he said,
Speaker 3: would you like a COVID shot? And I said, would
Speaker 3: you like me to give you one?
Speaker 1: That's a great comeback. What did he say?
Speaker 3: And he went, oh, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: I said, you're not touching me with that stuff. I
Speaker 3: don't believe that the vaccine has properly been vetted. I
Speaker 3: don't think that they truly know the dynamics of what
Speaker 3: they're dealing with. And it will never be here. It
Speaker 3: will be here forever, like the measles and the momps
Speaker 3: and diphtheria, all that stuff is still here. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: can put it into an arrest by drop of vaccines.
Speaker 3: But this in a year, they get COVID. In a
Speaker 3: year they get your vaccine. But nobody knows long term
Speaker 3: effect of the COVID the vaccine.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, when you were a kid, did
Speaker 1: you get a polio shot.
Speaker 3: No, my mother was a nurse. She brought the vaccine home,
Speaker 3: put the class syringe in the night in the ice box,
Speaker 3: and when she woke up in the morning she found it.
Speaker 3: I'd smashed the syringe with a hammer.
Speaker 1: You were a precocious little girl, Okay. So, I mean
Speaker 1: we had beaten polio in this country because of Jonah
Speaker 1: Sack and the pol But they.
Speaker 3: Did the proper research, they dug in deep.
Speaker 1: Why did you beat the syringe with a hammer.
Speaker 3: Betty, I'm needlephobic, Okay, Well in that case, okay, I
Speaker 3: thought you were a Presbyterian.
Speaker 1: You told me at one point.
Speaker 3: No, I'm Jewish.
Speaker 1: I'm only teasing you. Just easy.
Speaker 3: Right now, I feel as though I'm running a Jewish
Speaker 3: delicate testage on my boat from my cat.
Speaker 1: Hey, you gotta have some companionship on that boat, you know.
Speaker 3: I I do. And she's in nineteen years. She's only
Speaker 3: been off the boat one night and two months ago
Speaker 3: she was diagnosed with renal failure and it's driven by anemia.
Speaker 3: And I researched it and I have a medical background,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. And Meyer had her bloods
Speaker 3: drawn ten days ago and her vet said I don't
Speaker 3: know what you're doing with this cat, lady, but keep
Speaker 3: doing it. And you know who my vet is? I think, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And he said just keep doing it. And he called
Speaker 3: today we have a weekly check in, and he said,
Speaker 3: how's she doing. I said, she's eating chopped tiver, chopped egg,
Speaker 3: chopped salmon, chopped chicken.
Speaker 4: Chuck.
Speaker 1: I'm going to count to the boat, not to learn cribbage.
Speaker 1: I'm going to count to the boat to eat with
Speaker 1: your cat.
Speaker 3: And I give her and I give her fluids every
Speaker 3: night under the skin and she's humming.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Can you imagine what the culture shock
Speaker 1: must have been for your cat to bring her off
Speaker 1: the boat for like the first time in nineteen years.
Speaker 3: Man, I didn't take her anywhere. The vet came to
Speaker 3: the boat.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you told me she's only been off the
Speaker 1: boat like one night in nineteen years.
Speaker 3: Right, correct. Yeah, she was in the hospital with tank reotitis.
Speaker 1: No. I understand that, but I'm saying it's still quite
Speaker 1: a culture shock for the boy. Cat probably figured where
Speaker 1: am I? I mean, my entire world is on this boat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's running around, jumping and you know, just
Speaker 3: good she has rebounded well. But this whole thing with
Speaker 3: COVID is it's an unknown quantity. I had a friend
Speaker 3: have a cat who had a vaccine on Friday. He
Speaker 3: has been throwing his guts out ever since if he
Speaker 3: had the vaccually.
Speaker 1: Okay, again, I believe it should be everybody's individual decision.
Speaker 3: And well as I see it, informed consent is necessary
Speaker 3: to control this. And I have never had the flu.
Speaker 3: I've never had pneumonia, never had grounkitis, and I'm seventy
Speaker 3: eight years old.
Speaker 1: You will you living on the boat, it has to be.
Speaker 1: That's that salt air, Betty. I'm up on my break
Speaker 1: and I got to run. Please give give your your
Speaker 1: cat a little pet in the head for me tonight, Okay,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: Really I give you an extra chicken liver, right, fair enough?
Speaker 1: Hey, Betty is always great to talk. Great to you
Speaker 1: your voice. Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Stay here, fob, I talk soon.
Speaker 1: I go and take a break. The only lines that
Speaker 1: are open right now, and they are wide open at
Speaker 1: six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty. The others
Speaker 1: are full, so if you'd like to jump in six one, seven,
Speaker 1: four ten thirty. I got Joe and I got Paul,
Speaker 1: Paul and Pennsylvania's next, followed by Joe and then we'll
Speaker 1: have some room for you. As they say, we can
Speaker 1: take this to the end, or we can switch topics.
Speaker 1: You decide. It's as simple as that. Back on Night's
Speaker 1: Side right after.
Speaker 2: This, Now back to Dan Way live from the Window
Speaker 2: World to Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: Keep rolling you with Paul down in Pennsylvania where abouts
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania tonight Paul Well Spury, Wilke Spury, Okay, Home
Speaker 1: of the Year, Triple A, Triple A team.
Speaker 5: Down there right yeah, back in the back in the spray.
Speaker 5: I Uh, I had a series of strokes, so I
Speaker 5: ended up in the hospital. And what happened was when
Speaker 5: I was in the hospital, I got backed at sepsis
Speaker 5: plaumonia and I had a heroic fact infection and I've
Speaker 5: half COVID shots every year and the boasters had pneumonia shots. Well,
Speaker 5: when I was in the hospital, you know, you don't
Speaker 5: too much walking in the hospital you're sitting there, and
Speaker 5: with those strokes, I had a hard time walk them.
Speaker 5: So they sent me to a nursing home about a
Speaker 5: week before I was supposed to get out of the
Speaker 5: nursing home. I got a new roommate and all he
Speaker 5: did was cough And I asked his wife, I said,
Speaker 5: does he have COVID or ampic sheep? You know bevill
Speaker 5: did I know? And I asked the nurses for a mask,
Speaker 5: and I wore a mask for one or two days.
Speaker 5: And you know, people were looking at me and like
Speaker 5: I was from outer space and things. And what happened
Speaker 5: was I an you took the mask off? Or right
Speaker 5: before I was supposed to get out of the nursing home.
Speaker 5: He was coughing and worse and worse. And they did
Speaker 5: a test on me, not not the swamp like you
Speaker 5: see where with the test gets the THEA sent it
Speaker 5: out to the lab and I had COVID. And it
Speaker 5: was the third time I had COVID. I had two
Speaker 5: years ago, I had it last year, but this time
Speaker 5: it was worse than that. For a whole week, I
Speaker 5: could hardly get out of bed. All he did was
Speaker 5: Coppen Steve and I just laid around and eventually I
Speaker 5: got out of the nursing home. Thank god the physical
Speaker 5: therapy people. But these people, you know, COVID? Does you
Speaker 5: know I've had? Like I said, I had it twice,
Speaker 5: and I had all the shots, and I had all
Speaker 5: the uh uh uh the boasters, and I still got
Speaker 5: a dad and I was I was really uh, I
Speaker 5: was really sick.
Speaker 1: Who man, ah, that's frightening. How are you doing these days? Okay,
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 5: To use a cave from that line. But other than that,
Speaker 5: I'm okay.
Speaker 1: So, so do you blame COVID or do you blame.
Speaker 5: Some other No, I don't. I don't. I don't blame anything.
Speaker 5: But this gentleman that came in the room, he was
Speaker 5: copying the gag and and you know, I asked his wife,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not blaming him either. You know, he couldn't help,
Speaker 5: but he got it. But but it's just one of
Speaker 5: those things.
Speaker 1: Well, the hospital should have should be a little responsible.
Speaker 1: They should have isolated him.
Speaker 5: No, No, that wasn't at the hospital. That was the
Speaker 5: nursing home hospital. The hospital sent me to a nursing home, right.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying the nursing home should have isolated him.
Speaker 5: Well, they ended up the whole the whole way out
Speaker 5: was in. They ended up closing the whole way down
Speaker 5: and everybody had to wear mandatory masks. Before I left
Speaker 5: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that. That's some judge. That's a
Speaker 1: bad judgment for Oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just thank god, I just thank god. I'm
Speaker 5: all dan, I don't complain.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Paul, and I thank god you called,
Speaker 1: and I thank god you're listening to Night Side. Thank you,
Speaker 1: my friend. I appreciate it very much. Keep calling the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So you're very welcome. All right. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 1: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 1: The question of the evening so far has been is
Speaker 1: COVID making a comeback? It's kind of simple, kind of straightforward,
Speaker 1: and I'd love to have you participate. Uh if Joe
Speaker 1: is next, and I got wide open lines after Joe,
Speaker 1: let me go to Joe in Boston. Joe, appreciate you
Speaker 1: taking the time. How are you, sir?
Speaker 6: All right, thank you.
Speaker 1: So what do you think you think COVID's making a
Speaker 1: comeback here?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I do have that probable glory. However, I'm
Speaker 6: mostly called because I'm a little skeptical about Unfortunately, someone
Speaker 6: who's a well meaning skeptic in the line hour, I
Speaker 6: think they may have sown some confusion by accident. I
Speaker 6: looked up what I thought in the past and got
Speaker 6: some confirmation. One of the sites that came up was
Speaker 6: the Cleveland Clinic and it was saying, I think that
Speaker 6: the PCR test is the accurate test, or it's accurate,
Speaker 6: and it's not the one you get at home. At
Speaker 6: least maybe you can start it at home, but it
Speaker 6: takes a few days to get the answer back from
Speaker 6: a lab, so it's not the rapid test.
Speaker 1: Is that the one that obviously when the when the
Speaker 1: portable test the home test kits came through. What I
Speaker 1: had always believed was that there was a more accurate test.
Speaker 1: The home test kits could be inaccurate because you're doing
Speaker 1: it yourself. You know, you got to stick that swap
Speaker 1: up your nose and twirl it around twenty three times
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and then you got to make
Speaker 1: sure that you put the right amount of it's you're
Speaker 1: doing it. It's a self test. I thought that the
Speaker 1: PCR test, or if that was, what would jarmo where
Speaker 1: you went to a clinic and they actually did the test.
Speaker 1: They had to nurse or someone do the test for you.
Speaker 1: It cost you more money, but I thought it was
Speaker 1: more accurate.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not sure if the PCR test is something
Speaker 6: that can be done at home by and then sent
Speaker 6: to a lab, but it takes a few days. It's
Speaker 6: not the rapid test. The antigen test was the contrasting one,
Speaker 6: and I thought she was saying that it was more accurate.
Speaker 6: But I'm not sure that there are things that you
Speaker 6: can interfere with either one of them. If you take
Speaker 6: it before the virus load builds up, then neither one
Speaker 6: might detect it. However, the other thing I read on
Speaker 6: the Internet and Things Reasonable was saying that the most
Speaker 6: home tests are the antigen test, so I think she
Speaker 6: was saying the PCR was less accurate, and I maybe
Speaker 6: it may be the other way around.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the same thing that you looked at
Speaker 1: from the Cleveland clinic, uh, and it says a PCR
Speaker 1: test is a medical test employing the polymerase chain reaction technique,
Speaker 1: frequently used to detect small quantities of DNA specific to
Speaker 1: a pathogenic agent in blood or other bodily fluids. Workers
Speaker 1: in vital sectors need to undergo PCR test every seven days.
Speaker 1: So I suspect that your point, Joe, is pretty well taken. Again,
Speaker 1: I think that the call of that that you were
Speaker 1: referring to was actually Rachel from Somerville, and it was
Speaker 1: very clear to me that Rachel did not believe in
Speaker 1: any of the COVID testing, which is her right. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I thank you for calling back and clarifying that
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's that's pretty helpful, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 6: Okay. I think you actually had the same idea I
Speaker 6: did before a call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well again, what but my feeling is on
Speaker 1: night side. I'm not an expert on everything, and people
Speaker 1: have a chance to say what they you know, if
Speaker 1: somebody wants to call me up and tell me that
Speaker 1: the Earth is flat, I think we figured that one out. Okay.
Speaker 1: If they want to call me up and tell me
Speaker 1: that the sun rises in the west and sets in
Speaker 1: the east, yeah, I'll disagree with them. I try to
Speaker 1: give people, particularly when they're expressing a viewpoint, a pretty
Speaker 1: wide birth. If they're if they're you know, specifying a
Speaker 1: fact that I know to be untrue, then I'm going
Speaker 1: to challenge him. And because I don't want my audience
Speaker 1: to think that if someone says to me, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the first president of the United States was
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. I just can't sit there and say, well,
Speaker 1: that's their opinion. That might be their opinion, but that's
Speaker 1: factually inaccurate. So you know what I'm saying. I try
Speaker 1: to be a congenial host for the most part, though
Speaker 1: sometimes that congeniality disappears, but.
Speaker 6: It gets it gets tested, test, get.
Speaker 1: Tested some nights, that's for sure. Whereabouts in Boston, show
Speaker 1: you're calling from you in the city or one.
Speaker 6: Of round around.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Okay, we'll leave it like that, Joe. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to call. Have a good one, Okay,
Speaker 1: good good night. All right. So I think we may
Speaker 1: have run the course. I did not think we were
Speaker 1: going to get two and a half hours out of
Speaker 1: the conversation about COVID. But I will tell you that
Speaker 1: I promise that I will stay on it. And if
Speaker 1: in the next few weeks or the next couple of months,
Speaker 1: we see COVID going continuing in the direction that I
Speaker 1: am fearful of, we'll let you know. If, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, there is a spike here in the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks that perhaps turns back in the other direction,
Speaker 1: we'll let you know that as well. So The other
Speaker 1: subject that we had wanted to talk about tonight is
Speaker 1: the the arraignment today of this I want to call
Speaker 1: him a nutjob, but I don't know that you can
Speaker 1: call Ryan Ruth Ruth whatever his name is, a nutjob,
Speaker 1: because this guy had planned for months, if not years,
Speaker 1: to attempt to assassinate former President Trump, and at his
Speaker 1: arraignment today and again the arraignment was not for the
Speaker 1: attempt at assassination, although I think it's pretty clear, very
Speaker 1: clear to me, that is exactly what the guy should
Speaker 1: be facing. Okay, this guy Routh actually wrote a note
Speaker 1: to a friend of his, okay, and left the note
Speaker 1: and some other materials in a box. And in that
Speaker 1: box they found a handwritten list dates in August, September,
Speaker 1: and October of this year and venues where the former
Speaker 1: president had appeared or was expected to appear, according to
Speaker 1: the memo. Agents found six cell phones, including one that
Speaker 1: contained a Google search of how to travel from Palm
Speaker 1: Beach County to Mexico. Twelve peers of gloves. I assume
Speaker 1: those are sort of the gloves that hide fingerprints, a
Speaker 1: Hawaiian driver's license in mister Raalt's name, and passport. We
Speaker 1: knew he lived in Hawaii in their memo, I'm reading
Speaker 1: now from a New York Times piece from earlier today
Speaker 1: by Glenn Thrush and Adam Goldman. In their memo, prosecutors
Speaker 1: also noted mister Roalt's extensive criminal history, saying he was
Speaker 1: convicted on multiple counts of possessing stolen goods twenty In
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, he was charged in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: We're possessing a weapon of mass death destruction, a felony,
Speaker 1: no kidding. Court documents described the weapon as a binary
Speaker 1: explosive with a ten inch detonition and detonation and blasting cap.
Speaker 1: He was convicted and placed on supervised probation for sixty months.
Speaker 1: How absurd is that? So I particularly don't like anyone, really,
Speaker 1: I don't like anyone who tries to interfere with our
Speaker 1: electoral system. And whether his name was Sierran Sirhan or
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald or this guy Ryan Routh, these are
Speaker 1: people who take it upon themselves to change the course
Speaker 1: of history. And guess what you do not have. You
Speaker 1: do not have the right to change the course of
Speaker 1: history in the United States of America by assassinating or
Speaker 1: attempting to assassinate and he potential leader Democrat, Republican or
Speaker 1: Independent in this box, this nutjob and how many more
Speaker 1: nutjobs are out there? Wrote a note which was addressed
Speaker 1: dear world. According to the time, this now is an
Speaker 1: Associated Press article. No, this is Boston Global article. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: dear world, which appears to be have been premised on
Speaker 1: the idea that the assassination attempt would be unsuccessful. He wrote,
Speaker 1: this was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump, but I
Speaker 1: failed you. I tried my best and gave it all
Speaker 1: the gumption I could muster. Who the hell is using
Speaker 1: the word gumption anymore? It is up to you now
Speaker 1: to finish the job, and I will offer one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars. Why not make it Ryan three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand because you don't have it. I have no
Speaker 1: idea where your money came from. I have no idea
Speaker 1: how you could travel the world, how you could go
Speaker 1: to Ukraine and try to recruit people to go to
Speaker 1: Ukraine to fight. Maybe it did have an one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty k to whommever can compete can complete the job.
Speaker 1: The notes that according to prosecutors, we have talked about
Speaker 1: the first assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, in which the
Speaker 1: president former president was wounded and if he had not
Speaker 1: turned his head at a certain angle at a certain
Speaker 1: moment in time, he would now longer be with us.
Speaker 1: What's going on in this country? Why is it that
Speaker 1: we have nut jobs? Nut jobs? And you started the
Speaker 1: congressional softball baseball game practice a few summers ago, you've
Speaker 1: seen it. There were other political figures in this country
Speaker 1: who were who were assassinated. You don't have to be
Speaker 1: a president to be assassinated. Uh, You had other presidential
Speaker 1: candidates who were who were shot in assassinate obviously Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 1: junior President Kennedy, Doctor Martin Luther King, Governor George Wallace
Speaker 1: who was attempted assassination on him, a Congressman from New York,
Speaker 1: Alan Lowenstein, Gabby Giffords, the congresswoman from Arizona who survived
Speaker 1: but his bat was badly injured by a crazed lunatic.
Speaker 1: We're at the where are the authorities? How is it
Speaker 1: that no one ever took a look at this guy
Speaker 1: with all the the personnel we have in the FBI
Speaker 1: and the c I A and the Secret Service. No
Speaker 1: one could have This guy was on no one's radar.
Speaker 1: It it troubles me. It troubles me because I'm afraid,
Speaker 1: and I don't care who it is. I mean, this
Speaker 1: has got nothing to do with Donald Trump. It's got
Speaker 1: everything to do with Donald Trump, but it's got nothing
Speaker 1: to do with Donald Trump. He's a pretty lucky guy
Speaker 1: to have survived two assassinations. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: see any more of it. Uh, And I don't know
Speaker 1: how we stop it. Six one, seven, two, five, four
Speaker 1: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 1: I have one call waiting, Clifford and Canada wants to
Speaker 1: talk about the vaccine. We'll take him on the other side.
Speaker 1: But I'd like to open up your reaction to all
Speaker 1: that we have found out about this nut job who
Speaker 1: he was going to be. I guess about if if
Speaker 1: for some reason, the Secret Service had not noticed the gun,
Speaker 1: he would have been when Donald Trump was in the green,
Speaker 1: the sixth green at this golf course. This nut job,
Speaker 1: who had hidden in the bushes for twelve hours with
Speaker 1: an automatic weapon similar to an AK forty seven, would
Speaker 1: have been one hundred feet away. I wonder how that
Speaker 1: would have turned out. Back on Nightside, fill him up back.
Speaker 2: After this, It's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to I think mix and match phone
Speaker 1: calls here, So let me go to Clifford in Canada.
Speaker 1: He wants to talk about COVID. I guess in the vaccine.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Clifford, how are you tonight?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 7: And I'm sorry because it was a really, really, really
Speaker 7: long walk to your porch and by the time I
Speaker 7: got to change topics.
Speaker 1: Now, well, you know, we we try to give as
Speaker 1: much notice as we can. But whereabouts in Canada? Are
Speaker 1: you Clifford Ottawa? We have a lot of listeners in Outawa.
Speaker 1: This's your first time calling. I don't recall talking with
Speaker 1: you before.
Speaker 7: No, it's not my first time calling. But your show
Speaker 7: is absolutely addictive. So I'm working in at the same
Speaker 7: time listen to your show.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy. What sort of work do you do
Speaker 1: this hour the night?
Speaker 7: I'm a lawyer?
Speaker 1: All right, me too?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know you're a member of the tribe.
Speaker 1: I just negotiated a contract with a lawyer in Montreal,
Speaker 1: which I won't go into detail on, but I was
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of last week dealing with a
Speaker 1: lawyer from a pretty large law firm in Montreal and.
Speaker 7: Cool, yeah, so so so, and I know you have
Speaker 7: legal training, So just really really really three quick points.
Speaker 7: One is that i've had the flu in the COVID
Speaker 7: shots since whatever, and I have not had either. I
Speaker 7: don't know if it's related or not. Uh, my reactions
Speaker 7: have been pretty minimal. I understand the vaccines are not
Speaker 7: meant to to stop the thing. They were meant to
Speaker 7: keep you out of a morgue and they're meant to
Speaker 7: keep you out of the emergency ward. And I agree
Speaker 7: with one of your callers saying it's not going to
Speaker 7: go away. And I agree with one of your air
Speaker 7: First callers who said I let my guard down and
Speaker 7: we're just not getting any information from the media and
Speaker 7: I wish they would. And I know when this this
Speaker 7: this neighborhood, we're seeing a pretty significant uptake of it,
Speaker 7: not the way we had those major ways during the pandemic.
Speaker 6: But it's just.
Speaker 1: That troubles me by the way I think that the
Speaker 1: messaging and you're accurate, but when they first started the vaccine,
Speaker 1: and this was remember the vaccine was developed by the
Speaker 1: Trump administration in the last year of the Trump administration,
Speaker 1: and initially then President elect Biden and President elect Vice
Speaker 1: President elect Harris said that they didn't trust them any
Speaker 1: vaccine that had been developed by the Trump administration. They
Speaker 1: eventually took it, but the message was take this and
Speaker 1: you'll be okay. And I remember that message very clearly,
Speaker 1: and then they sort of backed off on it. They said, well,
Speaker 1: we're not saying that you won't get it. This is
Speaker 1: like the polio vaccine, but if you get it, you're
Speaker 1: not going to die from it. And then there's some
Speaker 1: people who had it and had the vaccine and still died,
Speaker 1: and they said, but you know, it'll make it less likely.
Speaker 1: So I mean they sort of the messaging was off
Speaker 1: and I think that completely and I think what that
Speaker 1: did was it laid the foundation for a lot of
Speaker 1: conspiracy ideas.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm like, I'm not a doctor. This is
Speaker 7: complicated stuff. I'm reading the book about flu, you know,
Speaker 7: the Spanish flu. And one of the things that came
Speaker 7: out of the messaging from that was trust, just a
Speaker 7: failure of trust because the public authorities just weren't clear
Speaker 7: and they didn't level with people. They weren't square with people.
Speaker 7: People don't understand.
Speaker 1: Plus they named it the Spanish flu, and I from
Speaker 1: what I read, is that it began at a military
Speaker 1: base in Kansas.
Speaker 7: Yep, yeah that's what they think. I mean, they don't
Speaker 7: know one hundred percent sure based on this book, but
Speaker 7: they think, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the marketing it starts if indeeded did
Speaker 1: start at a US military base, and with World War Two,
Speaker 1: soldiers get sent overseas. But we were somehow able to
Speaker 1: label it the Spanish flu.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and this and this. The Spaniards are really
Speaker 7: upset about it. But but it's it's something that people
Speaker 7: don't really understand, and I certainly don't understand all the
Speaker 7: complexities of it. And part of it is just that
Speaker 7: confusion and just just dis Goovernments are all over the
Speaker 7: place and information changed, and so people said, well, well,
Speaker 7: you're telling me the truth then, or you're telling me
Speaker 7: the truth now, And I'm just not sure I can
Speaker 7: rely on you. So I'm just going to do it
Speaker 7: I think is right for me.
Speaker 1: And you have a government in Canada as bad as
Speaker 1: maybe we thought about, yes, our government and it being compulsory,
Speaker 1: and I was concerned about here in Massachusetts, a lot
Speaker 1: of state police officers who actually lost their jobs because
Speaker 1: they refused to.
Speaker 7: The mandatory stuff, right, And you know, in retrospect, I
Speaker 7: think it was overkill. Part of me thinks, look, there's
Speaker 7: just a lot of paranoid if people just don't understand
Speaker 7: and and and and they just overshot it.
Speaker 1: As a lawyer in Canada, I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: if you're a sole practitioner.
Speaker 7: If you're with I'm a very large law firm.
Speaker 1: Okay, So were you obligated to take.
Speaker 7: The I was okay. So, so we were told that
Speaker 7: if you want to come into the office, you need
Speaker 7: to have you need to have your vaccines.
Speaker 1: And that was could.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you weren't you weren't you weren't terrif nobody said,
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm a partner at the firm. So but
Speaker 7: nobody said, okay, fine, you know, here's the door, and
Speaker 7: and and you know, so so it was, it was,
Speaker 7: it was pretty it's pretty clear that you wanted to
Speaker 7: be and with other people, you had an obligation to
Speaker 7: take the vaccines. And if you don't want you to
Speaker 7: do that, I.
Speaker 1: Was said, I mean my radio station, I've been on
Speaker 1: the air on this. Before this, I did TV for
Speaker 1: about three decades and I've been doing this now. We'll
Speaker 1: start year eighteen next week on next next year, I think.
Speaker 1: But I was told by my superiors that for my
Speaker 1: own benefit and for the benefit of the station, that
Speaker 1: I was going to broadcast from home. And initially it
Speaker 1: was really weird. I'm sitting at home. I used to
Speaker 1: be in a studio with microphones and guests. I'm very
Speaker 1: happy with that. You know, I don't have to drive
Speaker 1: to work. I don't have to drive home. It's all
Speaker 1: done and it works for me.
Speaker 7: It works, and you don't have to get pressed up.
Speaker 7: And I think I read an article in The New
Speaker 7: york Er that said COVID spelled the death of the tie. Yes,
Speaker 7: for guys, right, I go to meetings and hardly anybody's
Speaker 7: wearing a tie.
Speaker 1: That's amazing too. As a TV reporter back in the day,
Speaker 1: jacket and tie it was, it was now that that's
Speaker 1: all changed. Look at TV reporters and very few of them,
Speaker 1: if ever, have a jacket. And the folks on the
Speaker 1: set have, and the and the weather guy maybe, but
Speaker 1: not the reporters in the field, which.
Speaker 7: Is what the majority. Yeah, and now what it is,
Speaker 7: please come to the office. Because we rented all this
Speaker 7: real estate companies.
Speaker 1: I got caught in that. That's that's for sure. And
Speaker 1: as they say, we had police officers up here, state
Speaker 1: police officers who were young, about a dozen of them
Speaker 1: who lost their jobs, which I thought was horrific because
Speaker 1: they had spent a lot of money on training them,
Speaker 1: training them properly. And one was the daughter of a
Speaker 1: of a state police officer who had died on the
Speaker 1: line of duty. And they made a big deal when
Speaker 1: that when she became a police they gave her dad's badge.
Speaker 7: Number and all of this.
Speaker 1: And yet a few months later she was showing the
Speaker 1: door and she's got she's got a pending lawsuit against them,
Speaker 1: and I think that she will.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you would have thought an apology somewhere in there. Sorry,
Speaker 7: we just thought we were doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: But no apology for us forthcoming. And Franklin. Yeah, change
Speaker 1: of administration. We had a Republican named Charlie Baker, and
Speaker 1: now we have more Healey, who's a Democrat. I always
Speaker 1: thought that Healey would be small enough to have gone
Speaker 1: back and looked at that and reversed what Baker did
Speaker 1: and bring those folks back and enter into some sort
Speaker 1: of mediation with their lawyers. And because eventually, I think
Speaker 1: it's going to cost a state more money if it
Speaker 1: goes to trial.
Speaker 7: And it seems like it's a no brainer, you know,
Speaker 7: it just seems like it's And she's.
Speaker 1: A lawyer to the governor of Massachusetts is a lawyer.
Speaker 1: She had been the attorney general here, I think. So
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you, Clifford. You're interested guy. You
Speaker 1: got to come back more often.
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, thank you very kind of you. And again
Speaker 7: I'm sorry for changing the topics.
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all. It was a very
Speaker 1: thoughtful call. I really enjoyed it, and it's always great
Speaker 1: to meet a brother member of the bar.
Speaker 7: So thanks very much your you take care.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you're addicted to the show. By
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 7: That's I am addicted. I love your show.
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate Thank you very much. Okay, quick break,
Speaker 1: I got Ron and Eileen and I got some room
Speaker 1: for you, so come on. You can get final word
Speaker 1: here six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty on
Speaker 1: the COVID or if you want to talk about this
Speaker 1: assassin to me, it is mind boggling, mind boggling that
Speaker 1: we can have these folks amongst us who can go
Speaker 1: to such extremes that they literally are in the woods
Speaker 1: in the bushes along the sixth Fairway at Moro Lago.
Speaker 1: Come on, people, I mean, would you you would think
Speaker 1: the Secret Service might have ran a dog along the
Speaker 1: periphery of the course. Uh, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Six seven, two, five, four ten
Speaker 1: thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 1: Be right back on Nightside.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World,
Speaker 2: Night six Studios on w b Z the news radio.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna finish up on vaccine and then we
Speaker 1: have a ron from Weymouth to talk about the assassin
Speaker 1: on the vaccine. Hileen, welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 3: Oh are you talking to me?
Speaker 1: I hope so, Eileen, I recognize your voice. Welcome. You
Speaker 1: want to talk about the vaccine? What do you thought? Well?
Speaker 8: I was going to talk about the vaccine, but what's more,
Speaker 8: much more important to me is the assassin.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I'm right ahead.
Speaker 8: And he apparently he did. He's done a lot of
Speaker 8: traveling all over the world. And my question My question
Speaker 8: is where is he getting the money to do this?
Speaker 1: Well, here's the deal. He's alive, unlike the guy in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania who is was killed within seconds and as I
Speaker 1: understand that his body was cremated, which within within three days,
Speaker 1: which was a little weird to me that the the
Speaker 1: FBI didn't take possession of the body and make sure
Speaker 1: that there was a good autopsy done, make sure that
Speaker 1: there was no you know, drug or whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just seemed to be pretty pretty fast, pretty fast
Speaker 1: in this case. This guy's alive. I think there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of possibilities to say that, to find out from him,
Speaker 1: who funded him, How could he live in Hawaiian.
Speaker 3: Travel to you exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: To Florida, to stay in Florida for apparently weeks planning this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is this is scary because I think
Speaker 1: it shakes it shakes our democracy to its core because
Speaker 1: we have presidential candidates, be they former presidents or current
Speaker 1: vice presidents or whomever, under the threat of death. And
Speaker 1: if God forbid one of them were to be killed,
Speaker 1: what the hell we were no more, We're no better
Speaker 1: than a banana republic at.
Speaker 8: That point, right, And so it seems clear that there's
Speaker 8: some hidden sources of money. Yes, and we better find
Speaker 8: out who who those sources of money are, who those
Speaker 8: people are, And I mean I think that that was
Speaker 8: that that's what happened with can't find.
Speaker 1: Out because I think there will be There'll be someone
Speaker 1: there and they should be able. Like trying to leave
Speaker 1: to go in all of his bank records. Where's his
Speaker 1: money coming? This guy has to unless he's meeting somebody
Speaker 1: in the street corner and they're handing him, you know,
Speaker 1: pictures of Ulysses as Grant or whoever it is is
Speaker 1: on the one hundred dollars bill. Uh, you know, this
Speaker 1: guy probably has bank accounts. Let's find out, Let's find
Speaker 1: the whole story, and let's find out.
Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely, And yeah, I think this was a similar
Speaker 8: situation with the Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 1: I agree with that too. I don't think we ever
Speaker 1: got the truth.
Speaker 7: On that, in my opinion, now we didn't.
Speaker 1: Grant is on the fifty. I'll figure out who's on
Speaker 1: the hundred. I don't see. I haven't seen too many
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bills in my life. I haven't exactly, And
Speaker 1: I got to keep rolling. Thanks O. Good night. Let
Speaker 1: me go to Ron. You want to talk about the
Speaker 1: Ron and Wayneth.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Ron, Hi, Dan, I just want to say
Speaker 4: to start real quickly, that you the other president that
Speaker 4: had twice try to be assassinated was President Gerald Ford.
Speaker 1: Had a couple of times both.
Speaker 4: By the way, I didn't hear, Yeah, and that was with.
Speaker 1: San Francisco within this same month in San Francisco. One yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a child and or a member of the
Speaker 1: Manson Gang. And the other was Sarah Jane Moore.
Speaker 4: Go right, Sarah Jane. Yes, Sarah Jane Moore.
Speaker 7: Was one of them.
Speaker 4: She tried to shoot him with a thirty eight Special revolver.
Speaker 4: She'd never used a gun. She missed both times. That
Speaker 4: was lucky for him. And that was after address to
Speaker 4: the Worldfairs the Council, I believe in Bacon seventy five. Yes, well,
Speaker 4: I wanted to say, when when you have these things
Speaker 4: going on, that's when all your conspiracy start. Why Because
Speaker 4: there's such a long gap of time where they're investigating,
Speaker 4: they don't come up with the news it was this
Speaker 4: about the person. They slowly bring it out the news meeting.
Speaker 4: It's just like they want to torture people to have
Speaker 4: h you know, to think that there is a conspiracy.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you I had heard. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's true that I Ran had hacked Trump's into
Speaker 4: his you know, all this information, Yes, but that that
Speaker 4: wouldn't be good because he didn't have that in his information.
Speaker 4: From what they say, he never made a plan.
Speaker 1: He made a decision on that Sunday morning, wanted to
Speaker 1: play some golf at the same time. Yeah, the guy
Speaker 1: sat there for twelve hours. He sat there right so,
Speaker 1: in the bushes for twelve hours.
Speaker 4: So it couldn't Yeah, it couldn't be in whatever I
Speaker 4: Ran hacked because it wasn't there. So that to get
Speaker 4: that part that that's a conspiracy. But the idea is
Speaker 4: somebody knew something, I believe, and the only ones that
Speaker 4: knew he was moving at the time, whether it was
Speaker 4: one hour or twelve hours, would have been the FBI
Speaker 4: and the Secret Service.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the FBI would not have known, but the Secret
Speaker 1: Service would know. Hey, Ron, Unfortunately, I am flat out
Speaker 1: of time. I got to get you to call okay,
Speaker 1: but I got you in and thank you very much
Speaker 1: for helping us out.
Speaker 4: You're welcome.
Speaker 7: Thank you A great night.
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