Speaker 1: Take my advice, you have to be very careful if
Speaker 1: you call out to one of the debt all of
Speaker 1: them can hear you.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Phantom Friday. This is case number nine
Speaker 2: and it is a little update on some of the
Speaker 2: paranormal experiences I've been having. Cinury Turning from the Madison Seminary,
Speaker 2: Tommy from the Let's Get Freaky podcast was nice enough
Speaker 2: to have me on to give a little update on
Speaker 2: some of the Krey shit that's been going on, and
Speaker 2: so much more. Let's get right into it.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, welcome back. I am super excited to welcome
Speaker 3: Julia back to the show aka the Cosmic Peach. How
Speaker 3: are we welcome back to Let's Get Freaky.
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm so excited. I've been looking forward to talking
Speaker 2: to you for a while now.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, since you reached out and be like yes,
Speaker 3: because I always have a fun conversation. Sometimes the technology
Speaker 3: God's play with us. They've been playing with us so far.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's actually kind of creepy because I recorded
Speaker 2: an episode like a few days ago and it sounded okay,
Speaker 2: But today, for some reason, it sounds like I'm on
Speaker 2: the other side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, short stranger things. It's like you're in there upside down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, I'm underwater. It's cool. But I'm so
Speaker 2: excited because I first the first time I came on
Speaker 2: and talked to you, I told you about like growing
Speaker 2: up in a haunted house, and like sometimes I feel
Speaker 2: like things just follow me or follow members of my family,
Speaker 2: and so anytime I talk about it, I feel like
Speaker 2: Steph ends up happening to me just by talking about it.
Speaker 2: So but I'm obsessed with it, like you, I still
Speaker 2: want to know, and I still want to learn, and
Speaker 2: I still want to talk to people about their experiences.
Speaker 2: But you would think I would have learned my lesson
Speaker 2: by now, but I have not. And I'm just a
Speaker 2: haunted person. I think so, And just break in if
Speaker 2: you have any questions. But I recently went to go
Speaker 2: visit my family in Ohio, and when I go visit them,
Speaker 2: they always plan a bunch of stuff for us to do.
Speaker 2: Every single Day's like, load did multiple things plans for
Speaker 2: us to do. So the day that I landed there,
Speaker 2: we were going to have a haunted day. So as
Speaker 2: soon as I landed, we were going to go to
Speaker 2: this cemetery. It's a super famous cemetery and do like
Speaker 2: a cemetery tour, and then we were going to go
Speaker 2: eat at a haunted House restaurant, and then we were
Speaker 2: going to go investigate Madison Seminary, which one of the
Speaker 2: guests you've had on previously has talked to you about
Speaker 2: Madison Seminary.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Do you remember how the mosure?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And so she went to Madison Seminary investigated there as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So we went there and it's everything she said.
Speaker 3: It was wow, Wow, that's cool. That's a perfect day
Speaker 3: by everything you just said that tick tick, Yes.
Speaker 2: Like that's what I was thinking. Yeah, And my family
Speaker 2: is just like me, like, yes, we have had really
Speaker 2: scary things happen to us. Yes, we kind of grew
Speaker 2: up in the haunted house whatever, but we're still like
Speaker 2: super curious about it because once you've seen it for
Speaker 2: yourself and you know that it's real, it just peaks
Speaker 2: your curiosity even more, like you want to just know
Speaker 2: more and experience more, like is this really real? And
Speaker 2: it is? But so the I always check the weather
Speaker 2: before I go on a trip because I want to
Speaker 2: know what closed to pack, and the entire time I
Speaker 2: was supposed to be there was supposed to be like
Speaker 2: seventy five, eighty degrees, super sunny, wonderful. Even the day
Speaker 2: that I landed, it was supposed to be really nice weather.
Speaker 2: But somehow, the second I get into Ohio on the plane, crash,
Speaker 2: thunder rain, It's pouring and lightning. The freaking turbulence. I
Speaker 2: thought I was praying to Jesus. I thought I was
Speaker 2: gonna die, and just awful. I land it kind of
Speaker 2: clears up, but for the rest of the day that
Speaker 2: day it was like silent hill weather, misty, foggy, cold,
Speaker 2: like you barely could see a hand in front of
Speaker 2: your face. The fog was so thick. And it was
Speaker 2: not supposed to be like that, Like the forecast was
Speaker 2: like sunny, seventy five, you know, gorgeous weather, and I'm
Speaker 2: in a crop top in overalls and it's freaking sixty
Speaker 2: degrees and misty and cold. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: the weather showed up for our haunted day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was just laughing about it, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the weather really showed up. It's such a creepy day. Whatever.
Speaker 2: So my cousin and I decided the first stop is
Speaker 2: this cemetery and it's a super famous cemetery in Cleveland, Ohio.
Speaker 2: It's called the lake View Cemetery and there's presidents buried there.
Speaker 2: There's there's an investigator. His name is Elliott Ness, and
Speaker 2: he investigated like the Bay Harbor Butcher or whatever they
Speaker 2: called him. It was supposed to be. He was kind
Speaker 2: of like Jack the Ripper of Cleveland. And yeah, he
Speaker 2: investigated that guy and just a lot. So he was
Speaker 2: pretty famous. And he's buried there. And then one of
Speaker 2: my conspiracy theory holy grails that I didn't even know
Speaker 2: was buried there is the Rockefellers. So like all the
Speaker 2: Rockefellers are buried in that cemetery. What is that?
Speaker 3: Sorry? What what is that? What is the look like?
Speaker 2: Wait till because okay, So if any of your listeners
Speaker 2: are are conspiratorial minded, that the second I said Rockefeller,
Speaker 2: their eyebrows went up and they sh was you know,
Speaker 2: they started big pharma medications from petroleum. They did, they
Speaker 2: did so much shady shit and they were super super
Speaker 2: rich and then like they they were essentially in control
Speaker 2: of everything at one point and still are really John D.
Speaker 2: Rockefeller and all of them. So you would think that
Speaker 2: they would be like their bodies would be like hidden
Speaker 2: away and some like ye, like you'd have to have
Speaker 2: a code to get into the cemetery something. Nope, it's
Speaker 2: just open to the public, like anybody could roll up
Speaker 2: on their bodies. It was really actually crazy because I
Speaker 2: knew the cemetery would famous. I really wanted to go
Speaker 2: because I knew Elliot Ness was buried there and I
Speaker 2: think he's interesting, and also President Garfield is buried there
Speaker 2: and he has a huge memorial, and so that's why
Speaker 2: I wanted to go. And I was just walking around
Speaker 2: and stumbled upon literally because it was foggy and I
Speaker 2: could barely see, and I was walking up. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: it was like a movie. I was walking up and
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, this like twenty foot tall megalithic headstone
Speaker 2: pops up and it is an obelisk, a twenty foot
Speaker 2: maybe thirty foot tall obelisk, and I'm looking up at
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, what the fuck And I look
Speaker 2: down and it's like Rockefeller. Wow. I straight up got
Speaker 2: the chills. I got my phone out. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: the Rockefella's fucking bodies, and it was a gaggle love them.
Speaker 2: I walked around, like they have the main obelisk and
Speaker 2: then all the bodies are buried in a half circle
Speaker 2: around it. So you walk up to the little tombstones,
Speaker 2: and they have dead babies, dead Rockefeller babies. They've got aunts,
Speaker 2: grandma's cousins that like John, all of them there, they
Speaker 2: all go there. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow, that's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. And I was kind of like in
Speaker 2: awe at first, but then I was like walking around
Speaker 2: and reading all the names and stuff. And they have
Speaker 2: the semicircle of like the lesser important Rockefellers, and then
Speaker 2: right in the dead center is like John D and
Speaker 2: then his wife and then another person I can't remember,
Speaker 2: but his sons didn't even get to be in the
Speaker 2: the center. They were on the outside with like the
Speaker 2: big dead babies and the ants and the cousins and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I had straight up chills now. Before
Speaker 2: I stumbled upon them. We had went to the President
Speaker 2: Garfield Memorial and they have it set up like they
Speaker 2: designed it to be like a cathedral, and so when
Speaker 2: you walk inside, it looks kind of like a church,
Speaker 2: and there's a big statue of President Garfield. But what
Speaker 2: gave me the creeps is when you walk down into
Speaker 2: the basement of the memorial, it's just a crypt with
Speaker 2: a big gate enclosing his casket, like it's not in
Speaker 2: the wall, it's not buried, it's not. It's literally his
Speaker 2: casket and then a big gate around it. And you
Speaker 2: could like reach your hand in and all touched the
Speaker 2: casket with his freaking body in it. Wow, isn't that weird?
Speaker 3: That is weird? How what you did he pass?
Speaker 2: Let me google it, actually, because that is a good question.
Speaker 2: His wife is buried next to him, and her casket
Speaker 2: is right out in the open as well. He he
Speaker 2: died September nineteenth, eighteen eighty one, okay, And they had
Speaker 2: a contest to see who could come up with the
Speaker 2: best design for his memorial, and the person I think
Speaker 2: was from Ireland and he won the contest or whatever.
Speaker 2: So they built his design and he designed like just
Speaker 2: the two caskets, a little fence around him, and then
Speaker 2: like this whole cathedral thing that comes up. It's like
Speaker 2: three stories tall, and when you get to the very
Speaker 2: top you can see all of Cleveland and it's so pretty.
Speaker 2: At the top. But I was definitely not expecting to
Speaker 2: go down there and see two real ass fucking just
Speaker 2: sitting out there coffins.
Speaker 3: That's unusual.
Speaker 4: That's very wow because like a mausoleum, you go inside
Speaker 4: and like their bodies are in the wall and it's
Speaker 4: just a little plaque that says like President Garfield from
Speaker 4: November to September or whatever.
Speaker 2: But their freaking caskets were just sitting out there, and
Speaker 2: it was just really creepy. It's one of the oldest
Speaker 2: cemeteries ever. And I don't know if I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: say this is red flag number one in this story.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I decided to wear a
Speaker 2: brand new pair of tennis shoes that day. Like when
Speaker 2: I was on the plane. It was cool because I
Speaker 2: was just sitting there. But then as we were walking
Speaker 2: miles and miles through this graveyard, my and it was damp,
Speaker 2: and my socks were wet, and my freaking toes started
Speaker 2: rubbing on the shoes and I was getting a huge blister.
Speaker 2: So tell me why. Me being already kind of a
Speaker 2: haunted person, I took my tennis shoes off and was
Speaker 2: walking barefoot around in the cemetery. Please fucking tell me
Speaker 2: why I did that.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you might.
Speaker 2: Like so we were already we were deep off into
Speaker 2: this bitch at that point, like we weren't by the
Speaker 2: entrance to where like, oh, I can just walk on
Speaker 2: the road, take my shoes off real quick and get
Speaker 2: in the car. We were deep off in that bitch,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't take one more step
Speaker 2: in these shoes, took them off and was walking barefooted
Speaker 2: across all these graves in this anciently old graveyard. I
Speaker 2: walked barefoot right by the Rockefeller's fucking bodies.
Speaker 3: And not many, not many people can say.
Speaker 2: That, I don't know what possessed me to do that,
Speaker 2: because you know, I don't know when you have your
Speaker 2: shoes on, at least you're like, okay, well I have
Speaker 2: shoes on. You know, the whole rubber sole thing. I'm
Speaker 2: not connected, but they'refooted walking through there, and I just
Speaker 2: couldn't take one more step because my feet were hurting
Speaker 2: so bad. And my cousin was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we got to go see this one, and we gotta
Speaker 2: go see this one. And I was like, well, fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna take my shoes off.
Speaker 3: So, so was you planning to stay barefoot outside as well?
Speaker 3: Was you going to keep them off the whole time?
Speaker 2: I did? I kept them off until we got back
Speaker 2: to the car, because, like I said, she picked me
Speaker 2: up from the airport and we pretty much directly went
Speaker 2: to the cemetery. So I still have my suitcase in
Speaker 2: her car where I could like go run and put
Speaker 2: on like a pair of flip flops or whatever. But
Speaker 2: I had to walk back to the car. So I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, well, I'll just take my tennis shoes
Speaker 2: off for the rest of this excursion till we get
Speaker 2: back to her car. I'll put a Paara flip flops on.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you red flag number one. Do not
Speaker 2: walk barefooted through a cemetery. I repeat, do you not
Speaker 2: walk barefooted through a cemetery? I So, do you know
Speaker 2: how things like catch up with you, like in hindsight,
Speaker 2: after things have had time to settle. At the time,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I probably shouldn't be walking barefoot
Speaker 2: through this really anciently old cemetery with all these Rockefeller bodies.
Speaker 2: But at the time all I could think about is
Speaker 2: a big, huge swore on my foot.
Speaker 3: So I did that's nasty. We all know that feeling
Speaker 3: when you've got a pair that it's hurting.
Speaker 2: You got your socks are wet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: God, it was just it was terrible. So when we
Speaker 2: got back, we went and saw like Elliotness's grave and
Speaker 2: like we saw some other graves. We got back in
Speaker 2: the car and she was like, Okay, we're about to
Speaker 2: make our reservation for the Haunted House restaurant. And I
Speaker 2: was super excited. But before we left the cemetery, I
Speaker 2: made everybody hold hands and I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: pray really quick. Thanks for letting us visit. We're just
Speaker 2: you know, observing. Please don't follow us home, like, please
Speaker 2: don't attach to us, you know, aimen. And I was
Speaker 2: pretty sure that worked. But I just had a weird
Speaker 2: feeling after we left the cemetery. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was just the weather or what, but it was
Speaker 2: just a creepy vibe, a creepy day. And so we
Speaker 2: went to the Haunted House Restaurant, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: if you're ever in Cleveland, Ohio, you have to go.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Do you like horror movies?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, they literally dress up as horror movie characters
Speaker 2: like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They dress up as all of them,
Speaker 2: and they serve you food and they pregin to like
Speaker 2: saw your arms off and shit, and they play, I
Speaker 2: know they play. They have like a million TVs all
Speaker 2: playing different horror movies, and all of the food has
Speaker 2: like blood, like fake blood on it, and like it's
Speaker 2: a really good food. And they have like cocktails that
Speaker 2: look like magic potions and stuff. It's so it's dope
Speaker 2: as fuck. Anybody in the Cleveland area should go check
Speaker 2: it out. But again, I am having my haunt today.
Speaker 2: I'm in paradise. Nobody can tell me shit, and I'm
Speaker 2: just not thinking of it. So they're like, Okay, we're
Speaker 2: gonna all meet up now at the Madison Seminary, which
Speaker 2: is open to the public, and it's been on a
Speaker 2: bunch of different ghost Hunter shows, and the person you
Speaker 2: interviewed before has even went there with her paranormal group.
Speaker 2: And essentially you pay like twenty bucks per person and
Speaker 2: you just go. They just let you go free in there.
Speaker 2: No rules, no guy, I know, surveillance, nothing, So you're
Speaker 2: just pretty much set loose in this place, and.
Speaker 3: Can you film stuff as well? Can you film what
Speaker 3: you're own?
Speaker 2: Yeah, pictures, videos, You can do full on investigations in there.
Speaker 2: You just have to pay the ticket at the door.
Speaker 2: So my whole family, I'm talking little cousins, big cousin's brother,
Speaker 2: everybody was there because we just liked to do these
Speaker 2: kind of things together and it was starting to get cut.
Speaker 2: We made the reservation for like eight thirty nine o'clock
Speaker 2: at night, so it was already the sun was starting
Speaker 2: to get low, and it was just fucking foggy. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, it was the creepiest shit just followed us
Speaker 2: all day long, this misty, fucking foggy, weird vibe. And
Speaker 2: so when we got there, we were all together at first,
Speaker 2: and then we started splitting up and we at some
Speaker 2: points I was alone, and they didn't really give you
Speaker 2: any information before you just start walking around in there.
Speaker 2: I had to do my own research on the place
Speaker 2: after I got back home, and it's been like a
Speaker 2: lot of things. It was an orphanage. It was kind
Speaker 2: of like a reformatory where they housed like weird types
Speaker 2: of inmates, like either honorall inmates or like the worst
Speaker 2: inmate you could be, and they would like take those
Speaker 2: ones and put them in there. It was a place
Speaker 2: where if your husband died in the war, they would
Speaker 2: let you live there if you were like widowed. At
Speaker 2: one point it served as like a tuberculosis hospital, and
Speaker 2: you know, like just it's been a million things. It
Speaker 2: was a college at one point, and then at some
Speaker 2: point a crazy guy broke in there and said the
Speaker 2: place was full of demons and burnt it to a
Speaker 2: crisp and they've been trying to refurbish it ever since then.
Speaker 2: So when you walk in, it's sooty and the paint's peeling.
Speaker 2: It looks like it has been charred, and then they
Speaker 2: like have tried to fix it up over time. But
Speaker 2: the vibe in this place is crazy. So much history
Speaker 2: from the early eighteen hundreds. This place has been something
Speaker 2: for somebody at some time, and so you know, it's
Speaker 2: all fun and games. When you first get to a place,
Speaker 2: you're like walking around like oh goes ta ha ha
Speaker 2: ha ha, And then like the darker it gets, this
Speaker 2: more scared you are And it was like a Scooby
Speaker 2: Doo split up scene. We all looked at each other
Speaker 2: and we were like, let's split up. Oh no, And
Speaker 2: there is so so it's shaped like this, like a
Speaker 2: double l. There's a corridor that runs in the middle,
Speaker 2: and then like two wings that break off, and each
Speaker 2: wing has three floors. So you could see how you'd
Speaker 2: get fucking lost real quick in that bitch. I took
Speaker 2: my cousin Brittany and my little cousin Evan, and all
Speaker 2: we had were flashlights and our phones. We went room
Speaker 2: by room and right before everybody split up, my brother
Speaker 2: I was walking down this hallway and I started to
Speaker 2: feel like I was like dry heaving a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know if it was from the Haunted
Speaker 2: House restaurant. I was like, fuck them, I got like
Speaker 2: food poisoning, but I did. I had like this gagging.
Speaker 2: I was like kind of like like I was gonna
Speaker 2: throw up. And my brother yelled at me from down
Speaker 2: the hall and he was like, hey, come in this
Speaker 2: room and tell me if you feel anything. And so
Speaker 2: I walked in the room and it got worse, like
Speaker 2: my head started spinning and I got I was like,
Speaker 2: I feel nauseous, like it's bad, and he looked got
Speaker 2: his girlfriend and he was like, we all felt that
Speaker 2: the second we came in here. So it hit me
Speaker 2: in the hallway, and then as I got closer to
Speaker 2: that room and my brother did not even see me
Speaker 2: gagging or anything, and then he was like, come in
Speaker 2: this room and tell me if you feel anything. Wow.
Speaker 2: And he was in there feeling it too. So all
Speaker 2: three of us at that moment in time felt like
Speaker 2: we were just deathly ill when we went in this room.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, like later on that night, we went
Speaker 2: back in there and it didn't feel like that at all.
Speaker 2: So it was just happened to be in there when
Speaker 2: we went in there the first time, but it didn't
Speaker 2: feel like that when we went in there the second time.
Speaker 2: But it was so that made me kind of scared
Speaker 2: because I was like, there's definitely something here because I
Speaker 2: feel sick. But then we did the Scooby Doo split up,
Speaker 2: and then we couldn't find each other, and I was
Speaker 2: pretty much walking around by my self at one point
Speaker 2: looking for everybody in the dark. It was really scary.
Speaker 3: That a wild dream.
Speaker 2: It was horrible. They don't have any electricity in there
Speaker 2: because that can interfere with people's investigations, so there's no
Speaker 2: ac on. There's it's hot in there. Thank god. It
Speaker 2: was cool that day and it was kind of misty.
Speaker 2: But it's just like dead silent, no electricity, no air
Speaker 2: running to the bitch. I mean, there's no way like
Speaker 2: oh maybe I know it was. It's like cut off
Speaker 2: from the world and it's in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Like you can hear a freaking cricket fart outside, Like
Speaker 2: that's how deep in the middle of nowhere it is. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think that the nearest thing to it is one
Speaker 2: a cemetery where they dumped all the bodies and unmarked graves,
Speaker 2: and two a nursery where they grow like potatoes and shit.
Speaker 2: So that's the only thing you have out there now
Speaker 2: that we ran into another paranormal investigating group and they
Speaker 2: had dowsing rods. Are you familiar with that?
Speaker 3: Yep? Yep. So they're the rods that move as you're
Speaker 3: asking questions and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, have you ever used them? I have.
Speaker 3: I know people to have and I've had good responses,
Speaker 3: you know, because they're pretty cool and I mean they
Speaker 3: seem to react sometimes to certain questions and interests.
Speaker 2: I had never seen them in person before. I've never
Speaker 2: held them or experienced them. And when we did our
Speaker 2: Ghost Adventures episode, I told you in that episode, like
Speaker 2: I'll go to a hunted place, but I ain't fucking around,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not holding any dowsing rods. I'm not calling
Speaker 2: anything out. I just want to walk around and see,
Speaker 2: like if anything happens. But we ran into this other
Speaker 2: paranormal investigator group shit had dowsing rods, and she was like,
Speaker 2: for some reason, it only works for me and my daughter,
Speaker 2: Like if my husband holds them, they'll just go sideways
Speaker 2: on them and won't move. Now, the craziest thing is
Speaker 2: we were all standing in the hallway. She was holding them,
Speaker 2: and then she gave them to me, and I held
Speaker 2: them for a split second just to see if she
Speaker 2: could be manipulating them at all, because that's always in
Speaker 2: the back of my mind, like, oh, they only work
Speaker 2: for you, asshole. Are you fucking swinging around?
Speaker 3: Like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: So I held them in the way that they're made
Speaker 2: in their design, you can't manipulate them, even if you
Speaker 2: like you can swing them, but like you'd see your
Speaker 2: hands moving. Yeah, so there's there's no way you can
Speaker 2: manipulate them. They it has to be something else. Because
Speaker 2: I held them and I like kind of swung them
Speaker 2: around and I realized she was telling the truth, Like
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 3: Are they quite loose or they is it quite?
Speaker 2: They're loose as fuck. Like if you're holding them still
Speaker 2: in your hands, they're they'll like they'll do a three
Speaker 2: sixty on you, like, but you have to swing them around,
Speaker 2: you know. And so if you're holding them really really
Speaker 2: still and they're moving on their own and you're being still,
Speaker 2: I don't see how, like how could you fake that?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You'd have to literally take
Speaker 2: your hand and like flip it around for it to move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she kept.
Speaker 2: Asking all these questions. My cousin held them and they
Speaker 2: didn't move for her, My little my other little cousin
Speaker 2: held them, they didn't move for her. Her husband held them.
Speaker 2: They literally went sideways, like they wouldn't talk to him
Speaker 2: at all. She holds them the free that it's answering
Speaker 2: every question. It was the weirdest thing. If she said, like,
Speaker 2: are you here with us? If it opened up, it
Speaker 2: was a yes. And if they crossed over each other,
Speaker 2: it was a no. And again, like to get them
Speaker 2: to cross over like in an X form without moving
Speaker 2: your hands at all. I just don't know how you
Speaker 2: could fake something like that it would be really hard
Speaker 2: to do that. So it said that there was like
Speaker 2: demonic spirits in the attic and she just was asking
Speaker 2: It gave me the creeps because she asked a question
Speaker 2: and it was really really quiet. We were waiting for
Speaker 2: them to move, and we just hear like a lady's
Speaker 2: like kind of like a like that from down the
Speaker 2: hallway while because you know, when you're waiting for it
Speaker 2: to move or like waiting for an answer to everybody's
Speaker 2: like super quiet, like are you here with us?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And it's like really quiet, and we just hear from
Speaker 2: down the hallway.
Speaker 3: Was there any one down the hallway?
Speaker 2: Yo? That. That was the craziest thing because we all
Speaker 2: looked at each other like.
Speaker 3: That, Wow, did you hear that?
Speaker 2: Did you freaking hear that? So I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: that's enough with the dowsing rods, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It was great meeting you. Fuck off to your side
Speaker 2: of this hospital wing. I'm going over here because you're
Speaker 2: conjuring some shit up and I'm not ready for it yet.
Speaker 2: So that that was kind of the end of that.
Speaker 2: We met back up with them later, but and they
Speaker 2: were still doing their dowsing rods, but I was like,
Speaker 2: you guys are giving me the fucking creeps and I
Speaker 2: can't do this. So I got scared and I wandered
Speaker 2: off by myself because they were still like, oh, let's
Speaker 2: ask more questions, and I was like, I'm good on
Speaker 2: the questions. I'm okay, I'm gonna go to another area.
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing was I was walking around with
Speaker 2: my phone and catching stuff and not really it until
Speaker 2: I watched it back later, which is the craziest thing
Speaker 2: because when you're there in the moment and you're scared
Speaker 2: and you just kind of have your phone out, you're
Speaker 2: not really paying attention. And then when I came back
Speaker 2: home and I was editing the investigation so I could
Speaker 2: post it for my Patreon listeners, I was I was like,
Speaker 2: how did I not hear that? How did I not
Speaker 2: see that? How did I? And it was right there
Speaker 2: on my phone. It was kind of surreal actually, because
Speaker 2: I was like, I was standing right there and I
Speaker 2: didn't see that, ye or I was hear that. It
Speaker 2: was It's creepy. I So when I walked off by myself,
Speaker 2: I went into this bedroom and I could hear all
Speaker 2: of them at the end of the hallway, still talking
Speaker 2: and like socializing with that other paranormal group. And I
Speaker 2: was being so quiet in there, and I just heard
Speaker 2: on the phone. Didn't hear it while I was there,
Speaker 2: but on the phone, I heard a man's voice and
Speaker 2: it was like, ah, right behind me on my fucking iPhone.
Speaker 2: I had literally have a fucking iPhone and it picked
Speaker 2: it up and my human ears didn't hear, but my
Speaker 2: fucking iPhone heard.
Speaker 3: It's wild mm hmmm. And how how clear was was
Speaker 3: it clearly like a man's voice?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and no mistaken, Like if you heard it,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, are you sure it wasn't you or what? No,
Speaker 2: it was a dude, because it was like a like that,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't me because I was breathing quietly. I
Speaker 2: was trying to be really quiet, like investigating by myself
Speaker 2: down there, and I could hear all of them at
Speaker 2: the end of the hallway talking and just behind me,
Speaker 2: you can just hear like.
Speaker 3: Ah wow, because you definitely would have heard that, right, So.
Speaker 2: You know, like what they say about like you can't
Speaker 2: hear stuff in person kind of like an EVP, but
Speaker 2: you can hear it later. Yeah, And I think that
Speaker 2: was one of those moments, because right after that, we
Speaker 2: all met back up and decided to go to the
Speaker 2: next floor, and that's when it started getting really crazy.
Speaker 2: We took a quick break because my little cousin Evan,
Speaker 2: was like, this place is full of fucking asbestos and
Speaker 2: we're gonna start hallucinating and they all thinking that we'reussyeing ghosts.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, let's get a fresh
Speaker 2: fresh some fresh air, and then we'll come back and
Speaker 2: we'll go to the next floor. And he said that
Speaker 2: when we went there, he was completely skeptical, didn't believe
Speaker 2: in any of it. Was goofing off the whole time.
Speaker 2: I had to keep yelling at him and being like, Evan,
Speaker 2: stop messing around, because it's when something happens, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get fucking scared and then you're gonna be freaking out.
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, all take the
Speaker 2: that's what he said, All take the lead. So we
Speaker 2: go up to the second floor and this is where
Speaker 2: it almost looked like the warden's office or something like.
Speaker 2: It was just very official on the second floor and
Speaker 2: I took a picture in the office, sitting at the desk,
Speaker 2: and it was just really creepy in there, and we
Speaker 2: started looking around and there were all these doors. You
Speaker 2: would go in a room and there would be doors
Speaker 2: that would lead to other rooms that you couldn't get
Speaker 2: to from the hallway. It was weird. It was like
Speaker 2: a maze in there. So we went in one room
Speaker 2: to go out, and then through another door into this
Speaker 2: little side hallway. It sounds confusing, but that's the best
Speaker 2: way I can explain it. And the only reason I
Speaker 2: add that little bit of detail is because I know
Speaker 2: we were super alone in there. It was deadly quiet.
Speaker 2: Nobody else was on the second floor, and nobody else
Speaker 2: definitely had went through that little maze with us to
Speaker 2: get over to the room we were standing at. And Evan,
Speaker 2: who has taken the lead at this point, he was like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is so fucking stupid, Like this is
Speaker 2: like a like a haunted Halloween house that like they're
Speaker 2: just trying to scare you, and there's nothing in here.
Speaker 2: Look at all these scratches on the doors and stuff, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, there is scratches on all the doors.
Speaker 2: But I was like, Evan, whatever, we go to open
Speaker 2: this door to this blue room. It's deadly quiet and
Speaker 2: right by our faces on the wall. We just hear like, knock, knock, knocked,
Speaker 2: not even kidding you, knocking on the wall right by
Speaker 2: our faces as we were trying to get into the room.
Speaker 2: So it was almost like you can't, like you can't
Speaker 2: come in here.
Speaker 3: I saw wonting.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's how I saw it, because he was like,
Speaker 2: this is so stupid, blah blah blah. He goes to
Speaker 2: reach for the handle to walk in that room and
Speaker 2: it's like not not like right by our faces, and
Speaker 2: we looked at each other and we fucking dropped our
Speaker 2: flashlights and fucking ran all the way down to the
Speaker 2: other end of the hallway screaming because there was no
Speaker 2: explanation for that what soever. And you know, what they
Speaker 2: say about the three is like it's like a mocking
Speaker 2: for the Trinity or whatever, and that's why demonic beings
Speaker 2: will sometimes do things in threes. But I just it
Speaker 2: was so surreal because we were talking. I was literally
Speaker 2: just told him to stop goofing off because something's really
Speaker 2: scary is about to happen. And then before the words
Speaker 2: could even leave my mouth, he goes to open this
Speaker 2: freaking door and it's like knocking on the wall at us.
Speaker 3: What was his reaction?
Speaker 2: He fucking farted and then ran for his life.
Speaker 3: Oh well he did.
Speaker 2: I knew it too because I heard him and then he.
Speaker 3: He started that's amazing.
Speaker 2: And then he was like all embarrassed.
Speaker 3: She so cold.
Speaker 5: I ran up to him and I was like, see
Speaker 5: you haven't I told you? And he was like, Afford, yeah,
Speaker 5: you ship your pants. He was so literally scared shitless.
Speaker 3: Did that change his vibe as well after that happened,
Speaker 3: But oh my.
Speaker 2: God, he was really scared after that. But we didn't leave.
Speaker 2: We didn't leave, like I made him stick it out.
Speaker 2: I was like, we can take a little bit of
Speaker 2: a break, but we're not leaving because it's just picking up.
Speaker 2: You know. I did feel sick. I did hear some voices,
Speaker 2: but until we got to that second floor and heard
Speaker 2: it knocking on the wall, I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: now we're getting to the biscuits and gravy. And he
Speaker 2: did like he was like, I don't believe in this stuff,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. There's no explanation for that. And
Speaker 2: I got it all on my phone. The whole thing
Speaker 2: is on my phone.
Speaker 3: You can get the thought as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I got I got it. So this
Speaker 2: other paranormal group, it's embarrassing, but we screamed. Evan in particular,
Speaker 2: screamed so loud. There was a group under us on
Speaker 2: the first floor that ran up the stairs, ran down
Speaker 2: the hallway and was like, what's happened? What happened? We
Speaker 2: were like, it's knocking on the wall, blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and everything's like afforded. I was like, you don't have
Speaker 2: to tell me.
Speaker 3: That's the smell. That's the smell. He was like, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: They're about to walk right into it. I was slapping
Speaker 2: and scared at the same time. And then my cousin, Brittany,
Speaker 2: she was like, look at my arm, dude, and she
Speaker 2: rolled her sleeve up and she had massive goose bumps
Speaker 2: and she was freaking terrified. But so we go down
Speaker 2: this other hallway on the second floor, and there was
Speaker 2: some other people kind of investigating around that time, so
Speaker 2: we were trying to like avoid them and like go
Speaker 2: somewhere quiet, so we weren't like interfering with each other stuff,
Speaker 2: because like, if you're in the room over and that
Speaker 2: some guy in their talks, you're gonna think you got
Speaker 2: an EVP or something, so we try to separate ourselves
Speaker 2: as much as possible. So we walked all the way
Speaker 2: to the bottom where nobody was and we're looking around,
Speaker 2: and the other investigators, I guess, got bored and left,
Speaker 2: so it was just us in the hallway and my
Speaker 2: cousin Brittany. I was just talking and she was like
Speaker 2: and I was like what, and she said, listen really quiet.
Speaker 2: You can't hear them growling. And I was like, hear
Speaker 2: what growling? And she was like, just listen. And even
Speaker 2: though I wanted to talk, like in a scary movie
Speaker 2: you talk over it or you like put something over
Speaker 2: your face and you're like, I'll just talk through the
Speaker 2: scary part. I was doing that, like I didn't want
Speaker 2: to hear it. But then I was like, no, I
Speaker 2: need to hear it. And it was legit. It was
Speaker 2: like cur and it was coming. It was like getting
Speaker 2: closer and closer and closer to us. It was almost
Speaker 2: like a grind, being like a growling. And she heard
Speaker 2: it first, and she heard it a couple of times
Speaker 2: and I didn't hear it at all, and then she
Speaker 2: was like, no, be quiet, and then I heard it
Speaker 2: and it was like like coming. We were at the
Speaker 2: very end of the hall and it sounded real far off,
Speaker 2: but then it sounded like it was slowly getting closer
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 3: As we stood there, could you see down the hole?
Speaker 3: Could you see or was it dark?
Speaker 2: It was so pitch black in there. All we had
Speaker 2: were these flashlights, and so I was kind of shining it.
Speaker 2: And then as I heard it getting closer, Brittany, either
Speaker 2: Brittany did or Evan somebody said, everybody turned your flashlight off.
Speaker 2: And so we were standing there in pitch blackness, just
Speaker 2: listening for it, and we could hear it like coming
Speaker 2: closer and closer and closer, and Evan, who farted, was
Speaker 2: starting to get scared again and he was like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's a group of investigators down there. That's probably them.
Speaker 2: So we start walking down the hallway to kind of
Speaker 2: debunk it, like, okay, we'll see, like maybe they're they're
Speaker 2: still down there. Every single room was empty, Oh wow,
Speaker 2: the way down the hallway. Nobody was up there at all.
Speaker 3: And you was hearing a clear growl mm hmm, mad.
Speaker 2: Like a traveling growl too, Like it was sounded far away,
Speaker 2: but then it started to sound like it was closer
Speaker 2: to us, but we couldn't see anything. And sometimes when
Speaker 2: you hear stuff, you can see orbs and shit. So
Speaker 2: we turned our flashlights off because we wanted to see
Speaker 2: if we could see anything. We didn't see it, but
Speaker 2: we could hear it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And whoever is in charge of this place has a
Speaker 2: sick fucking sense of humor because we go into one
Speaker 2: room right after that happens, and there's a mother and
Speaker 2: daughter in there and they're like, you have to go
Speaker 2: in this closet and lock yourself in. And we're like, uh,
Speaker 2: I'm okay locking myself into the closet, but we get
Speaker 2: so we go just out of curiosity. We go up
Speaker 2: to the closet and there's rules. There's literally rules for
Speaker 2: locking yourself into the closet. One person out of time,
Speaker 2: don't do this, none, don't this, blah blah blah, like
Speaker 2: five different rules. If you're gonna lock yourself into the closet,
Speaker 2: you have to do these five things. And we're looking
Speaker 2: at each other like what is this, Like why are
Speaker 2: there rules to locking yourself into this closet? We open
Speaker 2: the door. They have mirrors all around. It's like there's
Speaker 2: summoning shit there's ears from top to on the ceiling,
Speaker 2: on all the walls, on the back of the door,
Speaker 2: it's all mirrors. And there's a chair in the middle
Speaker 2: of the closet and you're meant to turn your flashlight off,
Speaker 2: go sit on the chair and lock yourself into that
Speaker 2: closet and ask questions as you're staring at yourself in
Speaker 2: a million mirrors.
Speaker 3: Nah, I couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: No, you gotta be really brave to want to do
Speaker 2: some shit like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild, that's wild. I mean I've seen myself
Speaker 3: in the mirror at night, and that's that's quite freaky
Speaker 3: when you see yourself in the dark in the mirror.
Speaker 3: So like in a place like that where you've got
Speaker 3: that going on around you.
Speaker 2: To see, like when mirrors face each other, they create
Speaker 2: a portal. So you're not gonna catch me locking myself in.
Speaker 2: And Evan went in there because I said, oh, Evan,
Speaker 2: you don't believe in this stuff, why don't you go
Speaker 2: in the closet? And he was like, no, fuck that,
Speaker 2: And I made him go in the closet. I closed
Speaker 2: the door on him and then I held the handle
Speaker 2: so he couldn't get out, and he was freaking out
Speaker 2: in there a little bit. I'm not it's sick or
Speaker 2: twisted or being mean, but he has to learn that
Speaker 2: this stuff is real, okay, because it is. So he's
Speaker 2: all like, oh, this isn't real, this isn't real. And
Speaker 2: then all this stuff is happening. He's getting freaked out,
Speaker 2: and yes, I locked him in the closet. Whatever. He
Speaker 2: didn't have a he didn't die, well, he didn't die.
Speaker 2: So learning, he's learning never never trust even your family.
Speaker 2: They will lock you in the devil closet.
Speaker 3: I don't blame you. I would look my brother in
Speaker 3: there as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I pushed his ass in there and then
Speaker 2: I closed his.
Speaker 3: Door, and he would do the same to me. I'm
Speaker 3: sure he would, so yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't ask any questions. I was like, hey, ask some
Speaker 2: questions while you're in there, and he's like no, I'm okay.
Speaker 2: And I was like, just one question, just ask one question.
Speaker 2: He was like what question? And I was like just say,
Speaker 2: are you with me? And he was like fuck no,
Speaker 2: I want to get out of here. So I opened
Speaker 2: the door. I was like, oh, you didn't want to
Speaker 2: know if there was anything in there with you? In
Speaker 2: the closed mirror closet in the dark. It was so scary.
Speaker 2: I'm serious, it was so scary looking. I don't even
Speaker 2: know why they have that set up there, but it's
Speaker 2: a good place to have it if you are trying
Speaker 2: to channel some shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: They they claimed to see little tiny creatures that look
Speaker 2: like leprechaun creatures at this place, like little two foot
Speaker 2: three foot tall black glasses crawling around from room to
Speaker 2: room at this place. And the guess that you had
Speaker 2: on Heather when she went there, she did see that
Speaker 2: she did see one of those creatures there.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. And so that might have been what you
Speaker 3: heard grounding then I see.
Speaker 2: That's what I said too, because I was like, they're
Speaker 2: seeing these little creatures or whatever. But but you know,
Speaker 2: when it's so dark, your eyes like you were used
Speaker 2: to see them with the flashlight and you turn it
Speaker 2: off and you're pretty much like blind for a second.
Speaker 2: If there was something, I couldn't see it because my
Speaker 2: eyes were not adjusted enough. But yeah, they see creatures
Speaker 2: running around in there. They hear voices knocking, the wheelchairs
Speaker 2: roll around on their own. And then there's the attic,
Speaker 2: which that was the last place we went because I
Speaker 2: was scared because when we met the two chicks with
Speaker 2: the dowsing rods, they said all the bad spirits were
Speaker 2: in the attic. So I was nervous about going up there.
Speaker 2: Just reaching the top of the stairs, going into the attic,
Speaker 2: it's a whole different heaviness, like it's almost you walk
Speaker 2: through the doorway and it just lays on you. It's heavy,
Speaker 2: and so I didn't want to I was up there
Speaker 2: for maybe five minutes because I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: My two little cousins, Madeline and Jaden, they went. They
Speaker 2: were all being brave or whatever because they're young and
Speaker 2: they can do that, and I'm old, and I'm like
Speaker 2: fuck this and want to leave. They went into this
Speaker 2: room called the rape room. They call it that. I
Speaker 2: don't know why they call it that, but they call
Speaker 2: it the rape room. And both of them started freaking out.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't them just being like little and like
Speaker 2: sixteen and scared. They looked actually horrified, and they said
Speaker 2: that their faces were tangling and that they couldn't open
Speaker 2: their jaws, like they couldn't open their mouths, like their
Speaker 2: face was frozen and it was tangling, and they started
Speaker 2: like like trying to scream and they couldn't open their mouths.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, And.
Speaker 2: So we made them go out. We made them go
Speaker 2: outside because they were freaking out too much. And they're like,
Speaker 2: I get it. At first, it was kind of like
Speaker 2: fun because we had our flashlights and it's a family
Speaker 2: thing and we're doing But then stuff really like really
Speaker 2: scary stuff started to happen, and we made the younger
Speaker 2: kids go out because it's just that was just too much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then my brother, Oh go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you're starting to get at texts
Speaker 3: like that, these are a lot of spiritual attacks now,
Speaker 3: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And because we did this, Scooby Doo split up or whatever.
Speaker 2: My brother and I didn't find this out till later.
Speaker 2: Had already went up there before we got up there,
Speaker 2: and they walked into that room and they didn't feel
Speaker 2: anything physically, but they said it smelt like dead bodies
Speaker 2: in that room, and they were like gagging from the smell.
Speaker 2: They thought a dead animal had like crawled in the
Speaker 2: wall and died, like it smelled so bad in that room.
Speaker 2: But when we went up there, it didn't smell like anything.
Speaker 2: But the girls couldn't move their face and their jaws
Speaker 2: were locked.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 2: So it's just and they called for what I don't
Speaker 2: know if somebody actually got raped in there what, but
Speaker 2: they call it the rape room. Yeah, And like my
Speaker 2: brothers smelled dead bodies in there, and then my two
Speaker 2: little cousins. They're super vulnerable because this is the first
Speaker 2: time they've ever done anything like this, so maybe that's
Speaker 2: why they got like a physical attachment or whatever. But
Speaker 2: they both they were looking at each other and they
Speaker 2: like they were like my vase. And then later we
Speaker 2: asked them and they were like it was like tingling
Speaker 2: and burning and we couldn't like open our mouths to scream,
Speaker 2: and it was just really weird they did have when
Speaker 2: it functioned as like a I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: It functioned as something to where they had like widowed
Speaker 2: people and like prisoners and just some weird like just
Speaker 2: hodgepodged a bunch of people in there and we're trying
Speaker 2: to take care of them. And right next to the
Speaker 2: rape room, there's this like guy in a cult gynecological
Speaker 2: room and it's like the freakiest thing you walk in,
Speaker 2: and there's one of those chairs with the stirrups, like
Speaker 2: you put your legs in and like a little medical
Speaker 2: tray and like all and I'm like, absofucktely not not
Speaker 2: right next to the rape room.
Speaker 3: Fuck that.
Speaker 2: It just gives you the creeps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you did you go in the rape room?
Speaker 2: In the end, I went in and got those two
Speaker 2: out because they were freaking out and I could hear them.
Speaker 2: I didn't stay for too long because the second I
Speaker 2: pulled those two out and we got back down to
Speaker 2: the hallway, there was another group like waiting to get
Speaker 2: in there for us to leave, because everybody wanted to
Speaker 2: have an experience in that room because everybody talks about it.
Speaker 2: But I did make my friend Tiffany go sit in
Speaker 2: the guyano chair, and she said it wasn't a good vibe,
Speaker 2: but I didn't. I was like, you go, you said
Speaker 2: in it, I'm not gonna. I was like, blow up.
Speaker 2: But yeah. So there was just a lot of little
Speaker 2: weird things that happened, and they try to make it
Speaker 2: family friendly, but they won't let anybody under twelve years
Speaker 2: old in there because so many things have happened. At
Speaker 2: one point, we were walking around and there was a
Speaker 2: paranormal group that had like a one of the twisty
Speaker 2: kind of flashlights. You have to twist it to get
Speaker 2: the light to turn on, and they would say like,
Speaker 2: if you're here, twist it and make the light come on.
Speaker 2: And you could literally see the light dimming and then
Speaker 2: coming back on. So either it was being twisted or
Speaker 2: they were the spirit could mess with like whatever the
Speaker 2: battery and the light, but you could see the light
Speaker 2: slowly dim and then they would say, if you're here,
Speaker 2: turning it back on, and it would like slowly get brighter,
Speaker 2: not like a regular flashlight where it's just full brightness
Speaker 2: and then off. Yeah, it was like manipulating it in
Speaker 2: some way, like it would slowly get brighter and then
Speaker 2: it would slowly turn itself back off. Just a million things,
Speaker 2: and then the freaking as we're all in amazement at
Speaker 2: this ghost turning the flashlight on and off, the owner
Speaker 2: comes up behind us and it's like I ordered fourteen
Speaker 2: Domino's pizzas and we're like, oh, that's so odd. So
Speaker 2: like it's a fair normal ghost pizza. She had hot chocolate.
Speaker 2: It was just so it was it was crazy, man,
Speaker 2: What was.
Speaker 3: A guy like that on that place? Because I'm imagining
Speaker 3: I'm imagining. I don't know what I'm imagining. You gotta
Speaker 3: be a special sort of person.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And like, so I didn't eat any of
Speaker 2: the pizza because I was like, I just ate my
Speaker 2: weight in Haunted House food from the Haunted House restaurant.
Speaker 2: But so she goes away and we continue on our investigation.
Speaker 2: Then she pops back up and she's like, hey, I
Speaker 2: just want to let you know we got Pamela here.
Speaker 2: She's doing tarot card readings on the first floor whatever.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Okay, they got hot chocolate, they
Speaker 2: got pizza, now they got tarot card readings. And Evan
Speaker 2: just farted himself to death seeing a ghost Like this
Speaker 2: is a lot to take in. So later I find
Speaker 2: out that my brother went to go get a tarot
Speaker 2: card reading after we all had split up, and he
Speaker 2: said it was super like point on, like everything was.
Speaker 2: She was like nailing it. All the stuff they asked
Speaker 2: about she knew and whatever. And she does tarot card
Speaker 2: readings in that very first room where I thought I
Speaker 2: was gonna throw up in But when she was in there,
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like that. But before she got there,
Speaker 2: when the room was just empty, all of us felt
Speaker 2: like there was something negative in that room.
Speaker 3: That's when it affects all of you as well. How
Speaker 3: can you explain that that what's the chances of that
Speaker 3: happening that you'll suddenly feel it in that room at
Speaker 3: the same time.
Speaker 2: And then that lady just so my brother was like,
Speaker 2: why do you do, like why this room? Because we
Speaker 2: all had an experience in there, and she's like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm just drawn to it. And I'm like, yikes,
Speaker 2: because we all wanted to puke in here a couple
Speaker 2: hours ago before you showed up. Yeah, it's like, does
Speaker 2: she want to do taro in there? Because like it's
Speaker 2: easier to like, it's so such an open portal, like
Speaker 2: literally energies are just walking in and out of that bitch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's interesting to think about, very interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like obviously there's been so much history,
Speaker 3: there so much dark energy, which we can imagine what
Speaker 3: that creates, and man, that's wild. So it's fair to
Speaker 3: say your brother's a believer.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, and my little cousin too, Evan, he's definitely.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing, and here's what makes this haunted
Speaker 2: day and then the rest of my trip we didn't
Speaker 2: do any haunted shit. We did. I made everybody join
Speaker 2: hands and pray after we left the Madison Seminary, and
Speaker 2: then we just didn't think of it at all. After that.
Speaker 2: We had a barbecue. The next day, we had a bonfire.
Speaker 2: We did all the things, and then I came back home.
Speaker 2: The day I came back home, I got all like
Speaker 2: my brother and Evan because he farted and that's hilarious,
Speaker 2: and my brother's girlfriend Rachel to get on a podcast
Speaker 2: with me and just kind of talk about our experiences
Speaker 2: because I knew I was gonna post it on Patreon
Speaker 2: with the Investigator. And while we were on that podcast,
Speaker 2: I said, just in passing, I was like, has anybody
Speaker 2: experienced anything since we've come back home? Do you think
Speaker 2: any of you have any attachments from being there? I
Speaker 2: said this, not even thinking about it, like just asking,
Speaker 2: because I really hadn't been home that long myself, like
Speaker 2: less than a day. And my brother was like, well,
Speaker 2: you know something, one thing did happen, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's paranormal. He's being all like skeptical, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's paranormal. But Rachel and I
Speaker 2: went to a concert, and that's his girlfriend. Rachel and
Speaker 2: I went to a concert and at like one or
Speaker 2: two in the morning, while we were still out, my
Speaker 2: daughter called me and all the smoke detectors in the
Speaker 2: house were going off for no reason.
Speaker 3: Two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they could She couldn't figure out why they
Speaker 2: were going off or how to get them to turn
Speaker 2: back off. They were just beeping, all of them like
Speaker 2: in unison at the same time. And she called my
Speaker 2: brother and was like, all the smoke detectors are going off.
Speaker 2: You know what's weird about that? Is the last major
Speaker 2: occurrence of anything to ever happen at the seminary was
Speaker 2: that crazy guy who said it was full of demons,
Speaker 2: broken and set it on fire. Yeah, and then all
Speaker 2: of his smoke detectors were going He said that had
Speaker 2: never happened before. Ever, that that never had happened before.
Speaker 3: And that was more than one. So there was a
Speaker 3: lot of smoke detectives going off at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Now Evan said that he didn't have anything weird happened
Speaker 2: to him after we went, but I, like a freaking idiot,
Speaker 2: had to bring it up and say something had to
Speaker 2: walk barefoot through the graveyard, had to then follow it
Speaker 2: up by going to this freaking haunted mansion and that
Speaker 2: night after that podcast, I shouldn't even brought it up,
Speaker 2: but it's good to know that he experienced something too.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're watching TV and you're like halfway
Speaker 2: watching it and like you think you close your eyes
Speaker 2: for a second, you wake up in the movies like credits, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna rest this
Speaker 2: one eye and then like before you know it, then
Speaker 2: fucking movie's over. And yeah, I was kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: in one of those type sleeps, and I had like
Speaker 2: kind of dozed out and woke back up, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh shit, the movie's over. So I went
Speaker 2: to go rewind it back to the part I was
Speaker 2: at before I fell asleep, just to probably fall asleep again,
Speaker 2: but whatever. And so I was like still trying. I
Speaker 2: was like fighting sleep, like trying to stay awake and
Speaker 2: like watch this movie. And I closed my eyes for
Speaker 2: a split second and I just saw a flash of
Speaker 2: like an old lady's face, like a real old like
Speaker 2: scraggly hair, wrinkled up, old lady's face and then one
Speaker 2: specific tombstone from the Rockefeller grave site. Oh man, it
Speaker 2: was horrifying. Like I closed my eyes and I saw
Speaker 2: her face and I saw her headstone, and then I
Speaker 2: like freaked out and woke back up. And I literally
Speaker 2: had only closed my eyes for a few minutes because
Speaker 2: I was watching the movie, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: wasn't asleep, I wasn't dreaming, like it's only been a
Speaker 2: few minutes later in the movie, so I wasn't dreaming,
Speaker 2: like I had literally just barely closed my eyes and
Speaker 2: I just saw like a flash, and then I freaked
Speaker 2: me out and I woke back up mind and I
Speaker 2: so I went back to the video I had made
Speaker 2: on my phone of the cemetery tour, and I scrolled
Speaker 2: all the way to the part where I'm walking up
Speaker 2: on the Rockefeller thing, and I scrolled to that headstone
Speaker 2: that I just saw a flash of in my mind,
Speaker 2: and the name was like Beulah something or other whatever Rockefeller,
Speaker 2: And so I google it because there's no fucking pictures
Speaker 2: on headstones, there's just names. So I googled this bitch's name,
Speaker 2: and a fucking picture pops up of her, like old
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of young pictures of her, but
Speaker 2: then there's like one like right before she bit the dust,
Speaker 2: like an old, scraggly old lady, and it looked just
Speaker 2: like the face I saw when I had like closed
Speaker 2: my eyes for a second. And I was like, mother fucker,
Speaker 2: I knew it, and I knew I shouldn't have fucking
Speaker 2: took my shoes off when I was walking around over there.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: What makes it worse is so that happened one night
Speaker 2: and then I and then I was so freaked out.
Speaker 2: I went into my bathroom in my bedroom and I
Speaker 2: just started praying and rebuking, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: rebuke you. You have you cannot stay here. You do
Speaker 2: not have permission to attach me. You do not have
Speaker 2: permission to stay here with me. And I thought that
Speaker 2: was good. The next night, I'm laying on my stomach
Speaker 2: and it's really hot in Oklahoma in the summertime. Okay,
Speaker 2: we got fans on, we got everything on, but I
Speaker 2: just have like a sports spra and my underwear on
Speaker 2: and nothing else because I'm burning up hot. I'm sweating
Speaker 2: to death. And so you know what they always say,
Speaker 2: if you don't have the covers, on, then they can
Speaker 2: get you. That's so fucking true, because I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to sleep without the blankets on because
Speaker 2: I'm scared, but I'm sweating and I'm so hot. So
Speaker 2: I just pulled it down for a second, and I
Speaker 2: was laying on my stomach and my whole back was
Speaker 2: out and right in the middle of my back under
Speaker 2: my shoulder blades, in the center of my back, I
Speaker 2: felt three taps and again yes, and I felt three
Speaker 2: taps on my back and I like sprung up like this,
Speaker 2: and I looked over at my husband because I was
Speaker 2: hoping to Jesus that he was tapping me because like
Speaker 2: I had pulled the covers off him, or he was
Speaker 2: mad because I still had the TV on and I
Speaker 2: lied about setting a time or whatever. I thought he
Speaker 2: was trying to get my attention fast to fucking sleep
Speaker 2: facing the opposite direction. Oh man, So scared as shit
Speaker 2: because I know I wasn't imagining it, like I was
Speaker 2: super hot, pulled the blanket down, was still semi conscious,
Speaker 2: laying there like, oh, I'm so hot. And then I
Speaker 2: felt the taps on my back after I had pulled
Speaker 2: the blanket down, So when I sat up and like
Speaker 2: I looked over and he was sleeping in the opposite direction.
Speaker 2: I was really scared, so of course I do what
Speaker 2: you're supposed to do. And I woke him up too,
Speaker 2: because like, fuck, you can't be sleeping while this is
Speaker 2: happening to me. And I was like, hey, did you
Speaker 2: just tap me? He was snoring and drooling fucking fast
Speaker 2: asleep and I had to shake him and wake him up.
Speaker 2: And I was like hey, and he's like what And
Speaker 2: I was like, did you just tap me? It's hilarious now,
Speaker 2: but I was hoping to God for some reason he's
Speaker 2: gonna say yes. And he was like, uh no, I'm asleep,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, fuck me. I was so terrified.
Speaker 2: I had one of those cold sweats where you just
Speaker 2: don't sleep the rest of the night, and even though
Speaker 2: you're super super super hot and you want to just
Speaker 2: like you're like an inferno inside, you still sleep with
Speaker 2: the blanket like you wrap yourself up like in a cocoon.
Speaker 2: That's what I did for the rest of the night,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't fucking sleep. I was just on edge
Speaker 2: because I already had that flash, and then went to
Speaker 2: go look for that old lady now I'm getting taps
Speaker 2: on my back. And when I had recorded the episode
Speaker 2: with my family, I was like, yeah, no, I don't
Speaker 2: feel like anything followed me. I'm good. You know, we
Speaker 2: said our prayers whatever. I should not have even brought
Speaker 2: it up, because as soon as I recorded that episode
Speaker 2: and the words left my mouth, activity starts happening at
Speaker 2: my house.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the problem is where did it come from? Did
Speaker 2: it come from the cemetery because I was walking around barefoot?
Speaker 2: Did it come from the fucking Madison Seminary because we
Speaker 2: spent like six hours walking around in there, because like
Speaker 2: or is it both? The The crazy thing is why
Speaker 2: did I even think it was a good idea to
Speaker 2: do both of those things in one day?
Speaker 3: But I want to go to I want to go
Speaker 3: to I know it's super scary, but I want to
Speaker 3: go there.
Speaker 2: Man, the guy with the two chicks with the dowsing rods,
Speaker 2: their husband, her husband was like, if you are not
Speaker 2: a believer, this place will make you a believer. And
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, we'll see, and then Evan
Speaker 2: farted and then like the whole thing, and he still
Speaker 2: like he'll text me and be like send me that
Speaker 2: video again. I want to show my friend because it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Like the knocking, it was so loud and it was
Speaker 2: dead quiet when it happened too. It was just scary.
Speaker 3: It's scary shit, and it's the Free Knox, the free Taps.
Speaker 3: I finished. I still can't believe that you saw the
Speaker 3: face and then when you've googled it, it was that face.
Speaker 2: That I wish. I wish to god it wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been because when something turns out to be real like that,
Speaker 2: like for a second, you hope you're dreaming, or you
Speaker 2: hope you're hallucinating, or you hope like, oh, I was
Speaker 2: just having a bad dream because I went to that
Speaker 2: cemetery and I freaked myself out. Yeah, but then you
Speaker 2: start googling stuff and you're like, oh shit, like that
Speaker 2: might have been an attachment. So for the next like
Speaker 2: four or five days, because I hit you up kind
Speaker 2: of right in the peak of things, I just started
Speaker 2: praying and praying and praying and praying and praying, and
Speaker 2: everything stopped. And then, uh, two days ago, which I'm
Speaker 2: kind of glad you wanted to reschedule because I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to tell you this story. Oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought it. You know, it's like the calm before
Speaker 2: the storm, Like a lot of weird, creepy stuff happens,
Speaker 2: and it's real quiet for a while, and then like
Speaker 2: something else, just like my brother saying his smoke detectors
Speaker 2: went off. I'm at work and my husband texts me
Speaker 2: and he's like, are you at home? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm at work, and he's like, well, the alarm just
Speaker 2: went off in our house and it says that the
Speaker 2: garage door is open, Like the door in our kitchen
Speaker 2: to go out into the garage is open. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so our alarm is going off in the house. I
Speaker 2: guess the police ended up showing up, but there was
Speaker 2: no disturbances or anything, so they left. I told my
Speaker 2: boss I was like, Hey, if that garage door is open,
Speaker 2: I need to go home and close it because our
Speaker 2: air conditioning is running super hot and I don't like,
Speaker 2: obviously I need to go check it make sure. I
Speaker 2: was thinking, like, oh, I'm a dumb ass, and I
Speaker 2: forgot to like push it in all the way before
Speaker 2: I left for work. That must be what that is.
Speaker 2: Get home, fucking Fort Knox in here. The fucking garage
Speaker 2: door has never been opened. It was fucking closed and
Speaker 2: locked like I knew it would be. And then it
Speaker 2: happened again the next day, said, the fucking garage door
Speaker 2: was open. Get here, nothing nothing, The garage door is
Speaker 2: fucking closed, tight as shit. Alarm's going off.
Speaker 3: Oh wow. So it's like it's playing with you.
Speaker 2: In your house now, just like with the alarms at
Speaker 2: my brother's house. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you got any cameras up in your house anywhere?
Speaker 3: Have you seen anything on the cameras?
Speaker 2: So I don't log into it because I don't know
Speaker 2: the password to it, and I just if something's weird,
Speaker 2: I'll just have my husband. I'll be like, hey, will
Speaker 2: you look at the cameras and see you. So the
Speaker 2: day that the alarm went off, he was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm looking in I'm looking at the house right now,
Speaker 2: and like there's nobody outside, there's nobody in the living room,
Speaker 2: nobody's broken. And I'm like, okay, well I must have
Speaker 2: just left the door a jar or something. It's closed
Speaker 2: tighter than shit when I get here, Like it's in
Speaker 2: two times in a row that happened. It's just like
Speaker 2: too much to be a coincidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't believe in coincidences anymore.
Speaker 2: Now wild nothing has happened since then, But it's just
Speaker 2: like those little things add.
Speaker 3: Up for sure. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of activity there for the whole thing. Man. Wow.
Speaker 2: And then right as we're jumping on to do this episode,
Speaker 2: like my microphone's not acting right, I'm getting a bunch
Speaker 2: of like weird interference on my microphone and shit. And
Speaker 2: honest to god, there was one other thing that happened
Speaker 2: while I was on my trip that I kind of
Speaker 2: think about a little bit. So the Haunted house that
Speaker 2: I grew up in the very first episode we did
Speaker 2: together my grandma's house. When our family sold that house,
Speaker 2: my aunt took a lot of the possessions from that
Speaker 2: house and kept them in her basement. She passed away
Speaker 2: very tragically, and so my cousins took all of this
Speaker 2: stuff from the Haunted House and put it in their basement.
Speaker 2: While I was there, they were like, let me give
Speaker 2: you some stuff to take home with you from mama's house.
Speaker 2: And so I put a bunch of stuff from mama's
Speaker 2: house in my suitcase and brought it home and set
Speaker 2: it up around my house. One of them is a
Speaker 2: picture of my mom from high school that's sitting right
Speaker 2: behind me, So could it be something from her?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I don't know if something like that can attach to items,
Speaker 2: but growing up there and I told you this story
Speaker 2: of living there and it was like full of demons
Speaker 2: in that house. Could even taking something to my house
Speaker 2: that used to be there, Like, could something be attached
Speaker 2: to that? Even I don't know, but I haven't put
Speaker 2: anything in my house that used to be in that
Speaker 2: house until just recently and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: it but it does coincide with those other two things
Speaker 2: that I did, though.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: It could be. I mean a lot of people own
Speaker 3: haunted objects. I mean, on your show, we was talking
Speaker 3: about Oh, what's his name, Zach Beggins. He's his hotel,
Speaker 3: he's a museum sorry, where he's got all the haunted objects.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's definitely there's definitely something to that. I've
Speaker 3: talked to a lot of people that have bought stuff
Speaker 3: from frift shore at frift shops and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and they've seem to have brought something to their house.
Speaker 3: Oh man. But for me, the big, the big thing
Speaker 3: at least for me, is you see in that face
Speaker 3: that you haven't seen, and then when you've looked into it,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's the person that you're you've seen, and
Speaker 3: for me, that's that's wild. There's no coincidence there, and like.
Speaker 2: It's something you know when you see it in your
Speaker 2: mind's high or whatever, but then you never fucking forget it,
Speaker 2: like it's burnt in there. Yeah, you can picture it
Speaker 2: right now. Before I ever even saw the actual picture
Speaker 2: of the lady. Yeah, I could tell you every wrinkle
Speaker 2: in her face. It like it zapped my mind a
Speaker 2: little bit, like because it it was so scary.
Speaker 3: You know the difference between a normal memory that you're
Speaker 3: just thinking of and something like that that's not image
Speaker 3: just been put into your mind. I've experienced that. I've seen.
Speaker 3: I've been sitting on my couch, shut my eyes and
Speaker 3: a face has just appeared like a picture, but it's
Speaker 3: just there, yes, and it's not in my mind, it's
Speaker 3: it's I'm seeing it, and I'm like, oh the heck
Speaker 3: is that now? I didn't know who that was. I
Speaker 3: never found out who that person was why I've seen
Speaker 3: something there. But I have experienced that where a face
Speaker 3: has just appeared out of nowhere, just and you're not
Speaker 3: thinking about anything, Like you can be watching something and
Speaker 3: not thinking about anything to bring that up.
Speaker 2: So that's wild, right, And that's why I mentioned like
Speaker 2: I was watching a movie like I was fine, I
Speaker 2: was chilling. I was watching White Chicks like it's a
Speaker 2: hilarious movie. I was laughing, you know, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I love this movie whatever, and I'm
Speaker 2: just kind of sleepy. And then why, like, out of
Speaker 2: any moment where I'm totally fine and just chilling, would
Speaker 2: that happen and just pop up in your face like
Speaker 2: ooh fuck, what was that? And then it could just
Speaker 2: be even with it happening to you, it's like, is
Speaker 2: that just some little random attachment you picked up because
Speaker 2: you walked by a cemetery or something like what like,
Speaker 2: how does that happen on the plane?
Speaker 3: Yeah? A message or something like that, like just them
Speaker 3: trying to communicate with you. I don't know, but it
Speaker 3: is weird and I have experienced that.
Speaker 2: And you'll never forget it. If it's happened, you never forget.
Speaker 3: It's scary. It's scary because it's like it's not a
Speaker 3: part of your memorial, of your memory or your thinking
Speaker 3: like it's just been put there. It's yes, it's wild.
Speaker 2: You described it perfectly, like there's no other way to
Speaker 2: describe it. It's not it's it's not coming from you.
Speaker 2: You just see it and it flashes and you're like that,
Speaker 2: like what was that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, and it's like I said, maybe the first red
Speaker 2: flag of me walking around in their barefoot like that
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't have done that, and then follow it
Speaker 2: up by going to another super haunted place where they're
Speaker 2: seeing grimlin creatures and knocking on the walls and yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I had a really fun day that day.
Speaker 2: And I think it's cool that my Patreon subscribers can
Speaker 2: go and watch the whole investigation and stuff and see
Speaker 2: everything that I'm talking about, and so it was a
Speaker 2: great experience, but nobody ever thinks about like what happens
Speaker 2: to the investigators after they leave. Kind of why I
Speaker 2: was so in for sitting Zach Began's from Ghost Adventures
Speaker 2: because he's been doing it for like thirty years and
Speaker 2: going to some of the most haunted places in the
Speaker 2: world and collecting all this stuff, and you're like, at
Speaker 2: what point does it not mess with your psyche a
Speaker 2: little bit and you start being consumed by it a
Speaker 2: little bit, and I think that's happened to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I even think looking into this sort of stuff
Speaker 3: can invite it. And you know, that's something that worries
Speaker 3: me about doing the show because I'm looking into paranormal
Speaker 3: stuff every day and I'm like, is this good for me?
Speaker 3: It's too late now. I love it, but I know
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: It's too late for me too. It's way too late
Speaker 2: for me. But there's that saying, you know, when you
Speaker 2: look into the darkness, the darkness is looking into you
Speaker 2: or a friend. It's so true.
Speaker 3: You can't be careful what you wish for. Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like everybody who says like I want to
Speaker 2: see dog man, I want to see bigfoot, and then
Speaker 2: they see it and they got to be like committed
Speaker 2: to a freaking hospital or something break down.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always say that's the dreams to see a big foot.
Speaker 3: But you know, if you have a bad experience, like
Speaker 3: some of the experiences I hear, a lot terrified.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like the the girl you interviewed that had
Speaker 2: their mosure that went to Madison Seminary, she said she
Speaker 2: heard a bigfoot and the small town monsters or whatever.
Speaker 2: What was that ye Minerva monster or something. There was
Speaker 2: a whole documentary made about Bigfoot in that area. And
Speaker 2: so this is the same area where I grew up
Speaker 2: in with all this haunted shit, and like people see
Speaker 2: stuff in Lake Erie. I grew up in a haunted
Speaker 2: house there. Like it's there's something very condensed about that
Speaker 2: area that in Ohio, of all places, it's just so random. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the last thing, and this is my this sums
Speaker 2: everything up. My On the day before or on the
Speaker 2: day that I left to come back to Oklahoma, I
Speaker 2: wanted to go see the lake before I got on
Speaker 2: the plane. So my cousin took me to the lake
Speaker 2: and we were just gonna get like a funnel cake
Speaker 2: or whatever and go sit and look at the waves
Speaker 2: or driving and on this stretch of road, you're a
Speaker 2: few feet from the lake, but you're like way up
Speaker 2: on a cliff, so if your car went over, you're
Speaker 2: fucking dead, because like you're gonna be in the lake.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like gazing out the window as we're
Speaker 2: passing the lake and it's beautiful and it's sunny and
Speaker 2: the water is super clear, and I look over and
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything, but I saw something in the
Speaker 2: water that looked like it was solid and like the
Speaker 2: waves were getting were like coming up to it and
Speaker 2: not being able to go through it. But it was
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to describe, Like, let's just
Speaker 2: say and so we're all on the same page and
Speaker 2: you can call me crazy. Later there was a cloaked
Speaker 2: something in the lake that was transparent that waves were
Speaker 2: going up like avoiding. They were going around and above
Speaker 2: like all the other waves were very flowing and you know,
Speaker 2: in a rhythm, and they it looked real normal. And
Speaker 2: then there was just one spot in the middle of
Speaker 2: the lake where water was going around and water was
Speaker 2: kind of like getting stopped at and then like having
Speaker 2: to go up over. But when you looked into the lake,
Speaker 2: you couldn't see anything. It would it was almost as
Speaker 2: if you put an invisible solid rectangle in the middle
Speaker 2: of the lake and then the water was having to
Speaker 2: like find its way around it.
Speaker 3: Well, how big would you say? It was.
Speaker 2: Like half a football field, maybe so big right in
Speaker 2: the middle of the lake. I didn't say anything nothing.
Speaker 2: I was fixated on it, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: my cousin Brittany it from the back seat, chirps up
Speaker 2: and says, there's something in the lake. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: you see that. I was like, so you like, you're
Speaker 2: looking at what I'm looking at. She goes, yes, there's
Speaker 2: something in the lake. I roll my window down, look out,
Speaker 2: get my phone, zoom in on it, and you can
Speaker 2: see the water is like flowing differently in that area,
Speaker 2: as if there's just something huge blocking the water right there,
Speaker 2: But there wasn't anything for it to be acting like that,
Speaker 2: and there was almost like a shadow on the water,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. So the water the rest of
Speaker 2: the lake was flowing and doing its regular thing, and
Speaker 2: then there was just a big square stretch of the
Speaker 2: lake right in the middle where it just looked a
Speaker 2: little darker, like a shadow, and water was going around
Speaker 2: and above it as if it was trying to like
Speaker 2: there's There's just not a good way to describe it
Speaker 2: unless you were just looking at it, but it was
Speaker 2: super weird.
Speaker 3: Would it be like a craft sort of under the
Speaker 3: water but not completely under the water, but a lot
Speaker 3: of ufo it.
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like to me, like something And
Speaker 2: I almost was hoping that a log would pop up,
Speaker 2: because like a big ass like log or something, but nothing.
Speaker 2: It just stayed like that until we passed it. That
Speaker 2: we kept driving farther and farther and farther and farther
Speaker 2: down the road, and I would have to like turn
Speaker 2: around to try to find it, you know, and look
Speaker 2: for it. But as long as I could see it,
Speaker 2: it was I mean, it never went away. It just
Speaker 2: stayed like the water was acting weird in that one area.
Speaker 2: And it made me think back to all those stories
Speaker 2: that people tell about creatures in Lake Erie, craft being
Speaker 2: seen around Lake Erie. My brother actually saw ufo above
Speaker 2: Lake Erie and it shot up out of the water
Speaker 2: and followed them down the beach.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, and.
Speaker 2: Literally, And so I had never seen anything like that.
Speaker 2: But of course, this one trip, this one moment in time,
Speaker 2: I saw something in the lake. And I had always
Speaker 2: been I want to see something, I want to see something,
Speaker 2: and just that split second we were driving down the road,
Speaker 2: I finally saw something unexplainable in the lake and I
Speaker 2: was like, Yep, all those other stories make sense. I've
Speaker 2: seen it now, but it makes it real to you
Speaker 2: because you get to experience it.
Speaker 3: And that was big as well, if it's half a fot.
Speaker 2: It was huge. It was huge, and just water was
Speaker 2: going up over it and around it, like a big square.
Speaker 2: If you can imagine putting like a pool noodle in
Speaker 2: the ocean and like watching the water go up over
Speaker 2: it and around it because it's obstructing the flow of
Speaker 2: the water. That's what it That's what it looked like.
Speaker 2: But like a huge, like half a football field size
Speaker 2: pool noodle.
Speaker 3: That is wild. Did you say that was at night?
Speaker 3: Was that during the day.
Speaker 2: It was the middle of the freaking day.
Speaker 3: It was still light and oh wow, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was probably like two o'clock in the afternoon, the sun
Speaker 2: bright as fuck.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was going to actually keep it to myself because
Speaker 2: I didn't know if I was just seeing something. I
Speaker 2: saw it, but I wasn't gonna say anything. And then
Speaker 2: from the back seat, my cousin Brittany was like, there
Speaker 2: is something in the.
Speaker 3: Lake that's so cool.
Speaker 2: Shit. I was like, okay, so it's not just me,
Speaker 2: you see it too, Wow?
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, go ahead, No, I was going to go
Speaker 3: to your brother when he saw something come out of
Speaker 3: the lake. Was it a similar sort of craft or
Speaker 3: was it something different?
Speaker 2: He said the one that he saw was circular, okay,
Speaker 2: and it was it came up out of the lake
Speaker 2: and it just hovered there like really really really far away,
Speaker 2: and he and his friends were sitting It was at night,
Speaker 2: and he and his friends were sitting on the beach
Speaker 2: just chilling, like drinking, doing stuff that they weren't supposed
Speaker 2: to do, but they were in high school whatever. And
Speaker 2: he said that he saw the lights on it. It
Speaker 2: was reflecting the water and the sky, so it was
Speaker 2: almost kind of camouflaged a little bit, but it had
Speaker 2: some lights on it and that's the only way you
Speaker 2: could tell that it wasn't, you know, the sky. And
Speaker 2: he said it kept getting closer and closer and closer
Speaker 2: to the beach where they were at, and it was
Speaker 2: moving really really slowly, and then before they knew it,
Speaker 2: it was hovering right over top of them. And he
Speaker 2: said he could have thrown a baseball and hit it,
Speaker 2: that's how close it was, hovering right over top of them.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And he said that what he will never forget is
Speaker 2: that he could hear the sound of his own heart
Speaker 2: beating because he was so scared, and he could hear
Speaker 2: the sound of the waves crashing onto the beach, but
Speaker 2: he could not hear anything coming from the craft. Wow
Speaker 2: in dead silent. So he and his friends, because there
Speaker 2: was like a group of six of them, they all
Speaker 2: get up and they start running down the beach. And
Speaker 2: they kept running and running and running down the beach,
Speaker 2: and he said, I could literally hear our footsteps in
Speaker 2: the sand and the waves breaking onto the beach and
Speaker 2: look up and it be following us right over our
Speaker 2: heads and not hear anything. Wow. And he said they
Speaker 2: got to the end of the beach and it broke
Speaker 2: off into this yard where all these like weeds and
Speaker 2: shit were grown, poison ivy everything. They didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: They ran right through there in this field and it
Speaker 2: was going right over top of him. And then they
Speaker 2: were like, fuck it. If it's gonna kill us, it's
Speaker 2: gonna kill us. Let's just stop. We're all out of breath.
Speaker 2: We can't breathe. And they just kind of stopped and
Speaker 2: we're looking at each other, and just like that, it
Speaker 2: shot straight up into the sky and was gone.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Didn't It didn't make a noise, and it didn't like
Speaker 2: you would think it shooting up that fast into the
Speaker 2: sky there would be like a big gust of wind. Nothing.
Speaker 2: It was as if it just disappeared.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Wow. And he tells that story all the time,
Speaker 2: and he tells it the same way every time, every detail,
Speaker 2: who he was with, what he was doing, what he
Speaker 2: was wearing, like he remembers everything, and that's how I
Speaker 2: know he's telling the truth. And then for me to
Speaker 2: see something in the lake that day too, after I've
Speaker 2: already been to all this paranormal this, and that it
Speaker 2: just happened to be when those trips where that you'll
Speaker 2: just never forget.
Speaker 3: Yeah, an amazing trip, terrifying, but amazing, a lot.
Speaker 2: Of bucket list things checked off. Yeah, wow, Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: it was really cool. I wish I would have taken
Speaker 2: a picture. I probably wouldn't have looked like anything on
Speaker 2: my phone when I scored, because even when I scrolled
Speaker 2: in on my phone to like see if there was
Speaker 2: something in the water, it just looked like the lake.
Speaker 2: Like you would have to see it like in real
Speaker 2: time to understand, you know what I was talking about,
Speaker 2: Because if you weren't just staring at it and you
Speaker 2: were just driving by mindlessly, you wouldn't even notice anything
Speaker 2: different because it just looked like a lake hearing at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because these things obviously we don't know what they are,
Speaker 3: but do they not want to be seen?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: They you know, they want to blend in to the lake.
Speaker 3: And oh, that's a cool thing to say.
Speaker 2: That lake eerie of all places. It's just so random,
Speaker 2: like it's not an ocean, it's not lock ness, it's
Speaker 2: not you know, it's just a lake.
Speaker 3: It's got a lot of spooky stuff happens here.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to say that. I was going
Speaker 2: to say, I do know a lot of people though,
Speaker 2: have seen stuff in that lake, and now I'm one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what do you think it is? I know,
Speaker 3: we don't really know, but do you think it's like
Speaker 3: there's a portal there or what do you think is
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 2: I thought that maybe it's easier if it is some
Speaker 2: type of like craft from I don't even go right
Speaker 2: to aliens, I can. I would honestly say, like they're
Speaker 2: testing shit out, like secret underground military type style craft
Speaker 2: that they're working on that can be cloaked underwater or
Speaker 2: some shit like that. They just might be out fucking
Speaker 2: testing that shit. And then some random Joe who's driving
Speaker 2: past the lake happens to see it like I did,
Speaker 2: or you know, like they're sitting on the beach and
Speaker 2: it pops up out of the water and they're just
Speaker 2: fucking with us and they're like, oh, fucking float over
Speaker 2: there by those kids, they'll probably shit their pants, Like
Speaker 2: she'd never know. I don't drunk straight to aliens, but
Speaker 2: I do know that it's something that's completely unidentifiable. Like
Speaker 2: if they have this type of technology, they're not letting
Speaker 2: anybody know they have it. But it doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I think that's just as wild. If
Speaker 3: the government have got all this technology that they're hiding
Speaker 3: from ust that they can, I think that's just as
Speaker 3: crazy as aliens. But to me, that's just as wild.
Speaker 2: It has to be because where did they get it from?
Speaker 2: And so you have to think if you were in
Speaker 2: the ninth teen, fifties, even nineteen fifties, sixties, seventies, and
Speaker 2: you saw like a stealth one of those stealth motherfuckers
Speaker 2: flying about you, for sure you'd think you saw an alien.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were secret of first, weren't they work?
Speaker 3: They didn't just come out with him.
Speaker 2: They didn't, so like, are we just seeing stuff that
Speaker 2: maybe our kids or our grandkids will look back and
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, they thought they were seeing
Speaker 2: like fucking UFOs and shit. It was just just everywhere,
Speaker 2: the circular stealth third, that's all that.
Speaker 3: I like, whatever, moving through dimensions. Oh yeah, no, we
Speaker 3: see that every day.
Speaker 2: Now. Have you watched the movie Dune? No?
Speaker 3: I haven't yet.
Speaker 2: It good, have to watch it. It's amazing. It's probably done.
Speaker 2: The first Dune in the second Dune are quickly becoming
Speaker 2: one one of my favorite movies of all time. And
Speaker 2: it's only because I'm really into conspiracy theories and I
Speaker 2: think that's where we're headed as a world. Like I
Speaker 2: think because it happens so far into the future and
Speaker 2: they're they're telling a story of like what where we're headed,
Speaker 2: and it just the type of craft that they have
Speaker 2: in those movies, and like this stuff that they're talking about,
Speaker 2: I'm like, they have all this already. I feel like
Speaker 2: they put this stuff in movies to kind of prepare
Speaker 2: our minds for what for what reality really will be,
Speaker 2: Like the type of technology that they have, the type
Speaker 2: of government system that they have, the religions that they have.
Speaker 2: It just seems like they're preparing the subconscious mind to
Speaker 2: experience it in the real world. You have to watch
Speaker 2: those movies though. They are so it's like seeing into
Speaker 2: the future for real.
Speaker 3: Interesting. It's like they say in the conspiracy world that
Speaker 3: they have to let you know, they have to tell
Speaker 3: you the truth, and and Hollywood gets as you know,
Speaker 3: Hollywood tells us a lot of truths and you know,
Speaker 3: hidden agendas and well.
Speaker 2: What's interesting about the Dune movies is that their remakes
Speaker 2: from movies that came out in the eighties. Okay, in
Speaker 2: some of like the technology and stuff that they had
Speaker 2: in the eighties movies, we kind of we kind of
Speaker 2: see some of that. So now that they're trying to
Speaker 2: remake the Dune movies, they're putting what like the next
Speaker 2: ten twenty years into the future. They're putting that shit in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's just really cool. It's just it's like a
Speaker 2: foreshadowing of where we're headed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, scary but cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know, because like in the eighties, they're
Speaker 2: they're like, let's make a machine that like makes individual
Speaker 2: cups of coffee, and you're like, okay, that's the big
Speaker 2: technology thing for that you know, yeah, or you know whatever,
Speaker 2: some stupid little goofy thing like let's make a weapon
Speaker 2: that like it's like a light saber but not. And
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, so eighties movies are so cheesy and goofy,
Speaker 2: and then you look at some of the stuff we
Speaker 2: have today and you're like, oh my god, if they
Speaker 2: really knew what kind of technology we had in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five or whatever, twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: they would be like, holy shit. Yeah, so they have
Speaker 2: to tell us what the next chapter is as they're
Speaker 2: remaking the movie. They have to up the antsy, give
Speaker 2: us stuff that we couldn't even believe whatever exists, yeah.
Speaker 3: To get into our conscious and when we do see it,
Speaker 3: it's not that crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, because it's.
Speaker 3: Like if people one hundred years ago could see what
Speaker 3: me and you were doing now, they'd be like what what?
Speaker 3: How do you know?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I mean? They would blow their mind, But to us,
Speaker 3: it's just normal that we could do this. Yeah. Wild.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe even seeing stuff in the lake or
Speaker 2: seeing UFOs or whatever, it is kind of like a
Speaker 2: time slip and we're getting to see a little like
Speaker 2: for a split second, we're kind of taking a glimpse
Speaker 2: into the future. Interesting, Yeah, like a time slip.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, I've never heard that that. That's that's interesting.
Speaker 3: You could be seeing something in the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they have, if they have an ability
Speaker 2: to travel into the past, maybe that's what they're doing
Speaker 2: and they have to use like portals or whatever to
Speaker 2: do that. Because I just finished doing some research, and
Speaker 2: I know this is going on a really long time,
Speaker 2: but I think it's interesting. I just did some research
Speaker 2: for an episode that I'm going to put together for
Speaker 2: my podcasts for July about the seven Cities of Gold
Speaker 2: that are mentioned throughout time, like se Bela and Petiti
Speaker 2: and El Dorado, these cities of Gold, and how even
Speaker 2: to these to this day in the area where these
Speaker 2: cities supposedly existed, the natives there sea craft coming in
Speaker 2: and out of the lakes in the waters over there.
Speaker 2: It's just weird, like to this day, in these areas
Speaker 2: where the Seven Cities of Gold were located, they see
Speaker 2: the sky open up, a craft come down, go into
Speaker 2: the lake, be in there for a hot minute, pop
Speaker 2: back out of the lake, and then shoot back off
Speaker 2: into the sky. So it's almost as if if we're
Speaker 2: talking about like time travel or whatever, they put some
Speaker 2: of this gold or something. Maybe they're under the lake.
Speaker 2: Is the city of Gold? Mh like maybe it's buried.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but they're and they're trying to get
Speaker 2: to it. Maybe somebody from the fucking future, a fucking
Speaker 2: thousand years into the future realized the city of Gold
Speaker 2: was buried under that fucking lake, and they've been going
Speaker 2: back in time and fucking collecting this shit. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm excited for that episode that's coming out, and hmm.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. They see all kinds of stuff where they
Speaker 2: and where did they get the gold? By the way,
Speaker 2: all these Native American tribes were just silly with gold.
Speaker 2: What how and why where did they get? Like and
Speaker 2: then they see aliens all the time. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And aliens have always been in the culture, obviously
Speaker 3: of Native Americans, and they've always been there. Yeah, when
Speaker 3: we showed them pictures of a gray but they're like, no,
Speaker 3: that's that's not an alien. That's and they've got their
Speaker 3: own word for it, and that you know, they know
Speaker 3: all about it. Super interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they have like ant people, and they tell
Speaker 2: tell stories about like insectoid type beans and ship and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, well, the Inca were silly with gold.
Speaker 2: They had golden temples and golden this and blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and they had contact with these creatures and documented it.
Speaker 2: And they when they knew the conquistadors were coming, they
Speaker 2: threw all the gold into this lake. And now we
Speaker 2: see UFOs around this like all the time, coming in
Speaker 2: and out of it. You're like, is this in a
Speaker 2: history book? Like, who's right, who's documenting this? This is
Speaker 2: crazy as ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's why I read something today, And I don't
Speaker 3: know the actual facts, so I'm going to probably butcher this.
Speaker 3: But there's a tribe in Brazil. I don't know where
Speaker 3: I saw this. I saw this today, which is quite funny.
Speaker 3: But there's a tribe in Brazil that they showed an
Speaker 3: image of a gray too and they were like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how this conversation come about. I just read
Speaker 3: this on Facebook, I think, so, I don't know how
Speaker 3: accurate this is, but this this, this tribe was a
Speaker 3: Brazilian tribe that was named and they said, no, that's
Speaker 3: not the that's they had a word for it. They're
Speaker 3: their own word for it. And they said it lives
Speaker 3: underground and it was a picture picture of a gray Yeah.
Speaker 2: Think about that. Yeah, no big deal. They're totally our
Speaker 2: friends time. What's new? What I mean, there's so many
Speaker 2: there's so many aspects of life that people just are
Speaker 2: either not interested in. Like if I told that story
Speaker 2: about the City of Golden they see UFOs and stuff,
Speaker 2: a lot of people will be like roll my eyes next,
Speaker 2: like what what are you talking about? But it interests
Speaker 2: me to know end, like were there really cities of
Speaker 2: gold and if so, what happened to them? Why do
Speaker 2: they If they didn't exist, then why are those areas
Speaker 2: such a hot spot for UFO activity?
Speaker 3: M Yeah, for sure. And there is definitely areas like
Speaker 3: like Eri that have got for some reason, the energy there.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, there's a lot of strangers that happens there.
Speaker 3: There's got to be something to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something buried under the lake, something that we will
Speaker 2: never know, just like they say that the Sphinx in
Speaker 2: Egypt was under its pause where all these chambers of
Speaker 2: rooms either filled with treasure and gold or filled with
Speaker 2: scrolls in all like the Seven Sacred Sciences, like alchemy
Speaker 2: and like tablets and all these secrets of life were
Speaker 2: buried under the sphinx. And then they took like a
Speaker 2: ground penetrating radar and they confirmed that there were chambers
Speaker 2: under the Sphinx, but that they were probably empty. Now
Speaker 2: what I'm what I'm thinking is, of course they're probably
Speaker 2: empty because people who know way more than we know
Speaker 2: already pillaged that shit like that's in the fucking vault somewhere.
Speaker 2: We're never gonna, like, the dude that works part time
Speaker 2: at hobby Lobby is not gonna do a fucking excavation
Speaker 2: and find some shit like they're not finding the City
Speaker 2: of Gold. They're not finding the treasure under this thing.
Speaker 2: Normal people will never like that's all been confiscated, you know,
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean it didn't exist. That's my point though.
Speaker 3: And that's why it's down for people like us to
Speaker 3: talk about it, bring it back. Yes, super interesting. Oh man,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad we had this conversation. As soon as
Speaker 3: you told me that you'd had these experiences, I didn't
Speaker 3: know what to expect, but I was excited.
Speaker 2: And wow, I hope I didn't disappoint.
Speaker 3: But it did not disappoint.
Speaker 2: I guess we could just call it the newest chapter
Speaker 2: and crazy stuff that happens to me.
Speaker 3: Yes, super, Can I I know we've been here for
Speaker 3: a while, but can I tell you an experience that
Speaker 3: I had last night which was very friend last night
Speaker 3: last night, and I've got to tell you I've not
Speaker 3: told anyone yet what I was. It was about two
Speaker 3: three o'clock in the morning, and I was having trouble
Speaker 3: sleep and I just couldn't sleep. I was like tossing
Speaker 3: and turning. I was really tired, but I couldn't. I
Speaker 3: just could not sleep, and I'm like laying there and
Speaker 3: I was having like this weird sort of anxiety. For
Speaker 3: some reason, I felt this, I felt anxious, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I didn't really understand it. I've had it before,
Speaker 3: but it was like, I don't know, I just didn't
Speaker 3: feel right, if that makes sense. And anyway, I wasn't asleep,
Speaker 3: but I was really trying to get asleep, and I
Speaker 3: heard very clearly in my wife's voice, Tom, very very clearly,
Speaker 3: my just saying Tom. It was just like and I went, yeah,
Speaker 3: my wife was just asleep next to me, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh man, I was so so freaked out.
Speaker 3: Because I had something a few weeks back where I
Speaker 3: heard dad something say Dad. I thought it was my son,
Speaker 3: and that that happened and freaked me out. So that
Speaker 3: happened last night. I heard a voice.
Speaker 2: But aren't you still living in the same house where
Speaker 2: you said you went to go sleep in the bedroom
Speaker 2: with your daughters and saw something.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and that's where. That's the room I'm in
Speaker 3: now because I took him out because they weren't sleeping
Speaker 3: well in that room, so I was like, let's get
Speaker 3: you in another room that can be my studio, the
Speaker 3: haunted room, and I'm in that room now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you experienced anything in there?
Speaker 3: Not really. I've talked to people that have said that
Speaker 3: they can see something in here, but I've not. I've
Speaker 3: heard like noises and stuff. But even though I had
Speaker 3: that experience where I saw something coming towards the room,
Speaker 3: the face, like a floating face coming towards the room.
Speaker 3: Anyone who's not listening to those episodes now and I
Speaker 3: think I'm crazy. I saw a face comeing towards the room,
Speaker 3: like the shadow of a face. I wasn't super scared
Speaker 3: at that time, which is quite weird. I find I
Speaker 3: find that strange. I wasn't super scared, but I just
Speaker 3: don't get like I really my wife does, the kids
Speaker 3: do they get a bad feeling in this room the
Speaker 3: only room in the house that they get it? And
Speaker 3: but I don't really I don't really care if reason.
Speaker 2: And now it's my studio, but when you're in your
Speaker 2: own room you hear stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I've experienced stuff all around the house,
Speaker 3: like shadow figures. I've seen a black cat running the
Speaker 3: house that we don't have a cat before we had
Speaker 3: a dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've experienced some weird stuff here. Yeah, but I don't
Speaker 3: get a bad vibe from it here, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Like where I lived when I was a kid and
Speaker 3: was in the haunted house. That was that was freaky,
Speaker 3: That was bad vibes. There does seem to be stuff
Speaker 3: happening here, But it doesn't scare me for some reason.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because I'm getting more used
Speaker 3: to talking about it and I'm inviting it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It does still scare me. It still scares me when
Speaker 3: stuff happens.
Speaker 2: You're like, well, I asked it to be here, and
Speaker 2: now it's called my name out, So.
Speaker 3: I answered I literally was like, yeah, I just thought
Speaker 3: it was My wife freaked me out so.
Speaker 2: Much, like what's up?
Speaker 3: That was last night? So I had to I had
Speaker 3: to share that because yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think about that like you just you, and that's what
Speaker 2: solidifies it as a real experience, like the taps on
Speaker 2: my back, because you react to it like that definitely happened.
Speaker 2: Let me make sure it wasn't like, let me make
Speaker 2: sure my wife didn't say it, or like, let me
Speaker 2: make sure my husband didn't and they're fast asleep and
Speaker 2: you still are like, hey, wake up, did you Are
Speaker 2: you sure it wasn't you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a thing recent where I
Speaker 3: woke up and I thought my wife was sitting up
Speaker 3: and I thought she was like crying or something. So
Speaker 3: I was like, are you all right? And I've gone
Speaker 3: through whatever this was looked down and my wife was
Speaker 3: just there sleeping, and I was like, oh, man.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you're able to stay in there, because I am.
Speaker 3: That's too much if I'm on my own in the house.
Speaker 3: Not I'm very rarely on my own in the house,
Speaker 3: but I am the light the lights are on, or
Speaker 3: the telly's on, you know, I can't sleep in the
Speaker 3: dark on my own. I know that sounds sad, but
Speaker 3: that's the truth. I can't. I have to have the
Speaker 3: telly on some background noise, you know, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I probably have told I probably have said
Speaker 2: this to you before, but my husband is a freak
Speaker 2: of nature and he likes to sleep in the complete
Speaker 2: darkness and silence with nothing, no lights, no TV, no sounds, nothing.
Speaker 2: And I want to have six TVs on two lamps,
Speaker 2: like seven fans, just something to cut the noise in
Speaker 2: the darkness. So the compromise is that I sleep on
Speaker 2: my side and I prop my phone up and I
Speaker 2: watch like Hulu and movies and stuff on my phone
Speaker 2: to try to get myself to sleep at night, and
Speaker 2: even still with the room completely dark and the only
Speaker 2: light in the room coming from my phone, Like if
Speaker 2: if there's a dark scene in the movie or something,
Speaker 2: or if the show like cuts out and my screen
Speaker 2: goes black, I'm like, like, I can't. I just can't
Speaker 2: be in the complete darkness. It's terrifying to me. So
Speaker 2: that's how I know when I got that like flash
Speaker 2: in my mind. I was watching TV, not on my phone,
Speaker 2: but like on our bedroom TV. I wasn't scared because
Speaker 2: like the big TV was on, and like the when
Speaker 2: I had taken the blanket off or whatever and I
Speaker 2: felt those taps, I was already scared because it was
Speaker 2: like the middle of the night. But it's just when
Speaker 2: you're not expecting it, you know, yeah, like I'm not
Speaker 2: even scared right now, and I usually would be scared,
Speaker 2: but I'm not even scared right now, and then something
Speaker 2: happens and then you're like, oh shit, now I know
Speaker 2: why I'm scared all the time, because it gets you
Speaker 2: when you're least expecting it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, but when when you've experienced that. We
Speaker 3: both have, we both experienced freaky stuff, and once you
Speaker 3: know there's more out there and you know anything's actually possible,
Speaker 3: we're doomed. We can't relaxing. I know.
Speaker 2: That is a good way to put it. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: you never you're never really fully at ease because you're like, well,
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting it that one time and it happened.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I could just see a shadow figure it
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. It happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes you're like so not expecting it. It's
Speaker 2: like you said, you're not even scared at first, because
Speaker 2: you're like, the fuck was that? And then you start
Speaker 2: thinking about it and you're like, did I really just
Speaker 2: see that? I'm like this real life. Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's really weird. Even walking through like that haunted place
Speaker 2: that I knew was haunted. I wanted something to happen
Speaker 2: so I could like document it on my phone. When
Speaker 2: it happened, I was like I didn't. I don't want
Speaker 2: this to happen anymore. Like I'm over it, Like this
Speaker 2: is really real. Yeah, it scary.
Speaker 3: Once you experience something that you know it's definitely paranormal,
Speaker 3: there's no explaining it. You're like, Okay, that's enough now
Speaker 3: I know it's real. You don't need to show me anymore.
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's really how I felt, too, because I was like,
Speaker 2: oh man, nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. And then it just
Speaker 2: was like a really condensed, like a spurt of time
Speaker 2: where a bunch of stuff happened, and I was just
Speaker 2: ready to leave after that because I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: after the Knox on the Wall, that that would be
Speaker 2: like the one big thing that happened. And then it
Speaker 2: just like more stuff kept happening as the night went
Speaker 2: on and then randomly I forgot to mention we all
Speaker 2: went into this bathroom and I started feeling like my
Speaker 2: heart was beating really fast when I walked into the bathroom.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't sure if it was just me being
Speaker 2: scared or if it was something paranormal. But I didn't
Speaker 2: have that happen in any other area of the whole
Speaker 2: asylum or whatever. But the second I walked into that bathroom,
Speaker 2: my heart just started beating really fast. And then I
Speaker 2: walked out and this dude who I don't didn't even know,
Speaker 2: he was just there with his group, walked up to
Speaker 2: me and he was like, it's creepy and there isn't
Speaker 2: it And I was like yeah, and he said, well,
Speaker 2: I just caught a EVP in there. It's on my
Speaker 2: grandpa's recorder if you want to listen to it. And
Speaker 2: he said he caught a EVP in that bathroom of
Speaker 2: a man's voice saying I was murdered, and I didn't
Speaker 2: I never found his grandpa to get to listen to it,
Speaker 2: but he was freaked out and he was like, I
Speaker 2: won't go back in that bathroom. And when you walk
Speaker 2: in there, it's obviously pitch black. And you just have
Speaker 2: your flashlight. But there's just like this old, like dingy
Speaker 2: ass bathtub and like a toilet, and it's just.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The second I walked in there, my heart started like pounding,
Speaker 2: so I wanted to get out. And then that guy
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, we got a recording of some
Speaker 2: guy saying he was murdered in there, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe he had a heart attack, because I'm getting some weird,
Speaker 2: hard stuff up in this mother. So you just never know.
Speaker 3: You were definitely getting like spiritually attacked, but the sounds
Speaker 3: of it, you was experiencing being sick. You hear that
Speaker 3: a lot when people are in haunting places and terrifying stuff,
Speaker 3: but super interesting.
Speaker 2: It really is. And it's like I always say, sometimes
Speaker 2: your best detector for even other people in situations is
Speaker 2: your body. If you feel something, just always follow your gut.
Speaker 2: If you meet a new person and you get that
Speaker 2: itck on you, if you go into a place and
Speaker 2: you get that itck on you, you know something is bad,
Speaker 2: just just go with your gut, don't fight it. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you've never met this person and you don't know for
Speaker 2: sure that they're like a bad person. Or whatever. But
Speaker 2: if you feel like you met them and you know
Speaker 2: nothing about them, but you feel something coming off them,
Speaker 2: just because you can't see it, or just because you
Speaker 2: don't know something is one hundred percent true, doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it's not real period, Like they could be a Gia
Speaker 2: molestor for all you fucking know.
Speaker 3: Experience that where we've met someone and there's no reason
Speaker 3: for you to you're like, there's just something about that
Speaker 3: person that you're like, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: They're really nice, we having a good conversation, but for
Speaker 3: some reason, I'm getting a vibe that there's something not right.
Speaker 3: We all felt that, we've all let that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just and the reason I mentioned that is because
Speaker 2: just recently, and it's like I put I put stuff
Speaker 2: out of my mind, and then I really shouldn't because
Speaker 2: people like you and people like me who talk about
Speaker 2: this stuff and we know that it's real, we do
Speaker 2: get vibes about people, and we do get vibes about stuff.
Speaker 2: And I work at a clinic and a patient came
Speaker 2: in and even just like brief, the brief encounter that
Speaker 2: I had with him, like getting his treatment plan put
Speaker 2: together and stuff I told my coworkers. I was like,
Speaker 2: I feel sick when I'm by him, speaking to him,
Speaker 2: looking at him, like I want to like, I feel gaggy,
Speaker 2: like I feel that it can me like just gross.
Speaker 2: So I just and this is probably a hip of violation,
Speaker 2: but I googled his name, like his first name, last name.
Speaker 2: I won't say it obviously, but the first thing that
Speaker 2: pulled up was a federal court case. It went all
Speaker 2: the way to the federal level with this dude, and
Speaker 2: there was a mug shot and everything, so I know
Speaker 2: it was him literally raped his six year old granddaughter,
Speaker 2: video taped it, took pictures of it, posted it on
Speaker 2: a freaking website, and got freaking busted and just got
Speaker 2: out of jail recently. He spent like fifteen sixteen years
Speaker 2: in prison over that. And I was like, I fucking
Speaker 2: knew it. I knew it, Like just being around the guy,
Speaker 2: I wanted to throw up.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 2: There was nothing like super outwardly, like he didn't have
Speaker 2: like a freaking swastika on his forehead or something like
Speaker 2: weird prison tats and to like a he was scape
Speaker 2: he's ridden or anything. He was just an older dude.
Speaker 2: He was wearing a button up shirt in cargo shorts
Speaker 2: like you'd never think anything of it. He drove a
Speaker 2: super like a brand new twenty twenty five BMW. Fucking uh,
Speaker 2: what do they call it? Why is the word escaping
Speaker 2: in my mind? Not like a car, but like an suv,
Speaker 2: like a BMW suv super nice, all tricked out like
Speaker 2: he had money how I don't know. He just got
Speaker 2: out of fucking prison. I don't know a lot of
Speaker 2: people who just get out of prison who can buy
Speaker 2: twenty five fucking BMW's. But it's like there was no
Speaker 2: reason for me to have been, like I can't even
Speaker 2: be a rather fucking guy like somebody else do his paperwork.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. Then I googled this shit like
Speaker 2: I just had that inkling like when I saw that
Speaker 2: face like flash, and I was like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: google it and see, fucking sh shit is real, wild,
Speaker 2: it is real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're picking up on his aura or something.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: He should be in prison for life.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I mean there's some things that, yeah, you should just
Speaker 3: be throwing away and they should throw the key away man,
Speaker 3: because that is shocking.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And now every time I now that I know that.
Speaker 2: Every time I see the motherfucker, I'm gonna be like,
Speaker 2: I hope you die. I hope you die. I hope
Speaker 2: you die. I hope you freaking get freaking's wild. Let's
Speaker 2: accidentally overdose him somebody in the back. Can we do?
Speaker 2: Let me Timpt, one of our nerds, is like, can
Speaker 2: we give him just a little extra.
Speaker 3: Propofall that's mad that you picked up on that I did.
Speaker 2: I was crazy, like, there's this one girl I work
Speaker 2: with who tries to see the best in everybody. And
Speaker 2: she was like, oh my god, Julia, he's like super nice.
Speaker 2: He's like a super nice, like old dude, Like you're
Speaker 2: you always exaggerate, That's what she said. She was like,
Speaker 2: you always exaggerate. And I was like, I just.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: Like when I finally found it out and I googled it,
Speaker 2: I took screenshots of everything, and then I sent it
Speaker 2: to her and I was like, told you, bitch. And
Speaker 2: then now all of a sudden, she's like, yeah, fuck
Speaker 2: that guy. I was like, Okay, now it's fucked that guy.
Speaker 2: Trusted my intuition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well you've definitely got You're definitely I would
Speaker 3: say sensitive, like you've had experiences throughout your life, You've
Speaker 3: there's more there.
Speaker 2: You know, well, you know it takes one to know
Speaker 2: when I would say the same thing about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think we've we've got it.
Speaker 2: Birds of a Feather.
Speaker 3: Judy, I've loved talking to you tonight. It's been soon
Speaker 3: for interesting. Thank you for coming on and sharing it
Speaker 3: or let's get freaky, and.
Speaker 2: For having me. It's been a blast.
Speaker 3: It sounds like I'm hoping there's no more activity. I'm
Speaker 3: hoping that's it.
Speaker 2: I hope so too.
Speaker 3: I feel like we could listen back to this recording
Speaker 3: and we might hear some stuff because I've heard things.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's I don't know. We'll see
Speaker 3: when we listen back.
Speaker 2: When we go to edit this, we'll hear little voices
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's happened before. I've experienced that.
Speaker 2: That's greet Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, can you tell the listeners where they can find you?
Speaker 3: Because your show is awesome? Where can they find Cosmic Peach?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcasts. I
Speaker 2: don't have YouTube anymore just because some of the more
Speaker 2: conspiratorial type episodes kept getting removed and I kept getting
Speaker 2: strikes and stuff, so I just took the YouTube down.
Speaker 2: But if you want to watch the videos and full
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