Speaker 1: Canceled.
Speaker 2: Not your favorite Republican influencer, the meeting between President Trump
Speaker 2: and President Putin that could have resolved the war between
Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine. Owen's Pearson Sharp joins us in moments
Speaker 2: to analyze the situation in that ongoing conflict. Plus Schumer's
Speaker 2: government shutdown just became the second longest in history. We've
Speaker 2: got Azoria CEO James fishback here to explain how the
Speaker 2: markets are reacting and what to expect for the economic
Speaker 2: future of a government in shutdown. And the left is
Speaker 2: freaking out about White House renovations?
Speaker 1: Is that real?
Speaker 2: Oen's chief White House correspondent, Daniel Baldwin will join us
Speaker 2: this hour to tell us about President Trump's plan to
Speaker 2: build a gilded ballroom for America's Golden Age. It's all
Speaker 2: next to the Matt Gates Show.
Speaker 1: Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C. We're breaking
Speaker 1: the fever.
Speaker 3: Do you ever watch this guy in television?
Speaker 1: It's like a machine.
Speaker 3: He's great Matt Gates.
Speaker 2: As we join you this evening, our attention turns to
Speaker 2: the on going war between Russia and Ukraine. Russian forces
Speaker 2: have intensified drone and missile strikes on civilian energy infrastructure
Speaker 2: in northern Ukraine, killing at least four and leaving hundreds
Speaker 2: without water or power. I'm sorry, that's hundreds of thousands,
Speaker 2: I should say. Meanwhile, European states like Ukraine are crafting
Speaker 2: a twelve point peace proposal that would freeze current battle
Speaker 2: lines and place a US chaired board under President Donald
Speaker 2: Trump to oversee the implementation of a peace plan. We
Speaker 2: have real questions about whether or not the United States
Speaker 2: wants to be the Homeowners' Association of Eastern Ukraine determining
Speaker 2: who can go where and plant what flag. Then there
Speaker 2: is the meeting now that won't happen. President Trump indicated
Speaker 2: he was willing to meet with President Putin in Budapest
Speaker 2: in the coming weeks. The stage was set for Trump
Speaker 2: and Putin to meet, shake hands, and just maybe put
Speaker 2: a band aid on the bleeding mess that is the
Speaker 2: Russia Ukraine War. But then poof canceled faster than a
Speaker 2: bud Light sponsorship at a country music festival. Trump wanted
Speaker 2: to freeze the battle lines.
Speaker 1: Putin refused.
Speaker 2: Oh and Zone Pearson Sharp was recently at the front
Speaker 2: lines of this war in the Dominus region. He joins
Speaker 2: US now so Pearson. When I saw the Budapest meeting canceled,
Speaker 2: I'll admit I was discouraged because I believe that President
Speaker 2: Trump and President Putin have the ability to end this war.
Speaker 2: Why was Putin unwilling to accept Trump's terms for a meeting?
Speaker 4: So I think that's kind of putting all the blame
Speaker 4: on Putin, and well, I am to be clear, well,
Speaker 4: of course, yeah, well not surprising, but to be fair,
Speaker 4: before we even start, we don't actually know what happened.
Speaker 4: We don't know what was said, we don't know what
Speaker 4: the terms were. And to be clear, I'm hearing from
Speaker 4: people in Russia that the deal is actually still on,
Speaker 4: the meeting is going to happen, and that all of
Speaker 4: this is disinformation in the West is trying to shut
Speaker 4: these meetings down.
Speaker 1: And breaking some news for you to give credit to that.
Speaker 4: Victor Orbun of Hungary said the meetings are still on
Speaker 4: and they're still going to have happened. The date hasn't
Speaker 4: been seid or, he hasn't announced a date anyway, but
Speaker 4: he said they're still ongoing.
Speaker 2: Kil Dimitrio again, to be clear, you're you were recently
Speaker 2: in Russia, You're well sourced in Russia, and what you're
Speaker 2: saying is their officials who are close to the Russian government.
Speaker 2: There are media officials in Russia who still expect this
Speaker 2: to happen, Yes, and what they believe is actually there's
Speaker 2: some folks on the American side trying to get in.
Speaker 1: The way of that piece, trying to stop.
Speaker 2: But that archetype which you just described, I don't think
Speaker 2: is all that dissimilar to some of the tomfoolery we've
Speaker 2: seen in the Middle East, where President Trump is constantly
Speaker 2: trying to get the decision makers in the room to
Speaker 2: carve out peace, and there are people who want to
Speaker 2: continue violence.
Speaker 4: We have warhawks who want to keep this going. But
Speaker 4: Kirol Dmitriev came out and said that this is still
Speaker 4: ongoing and don't believe the media.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I don't know what the facts are,
Speaker 1: but that's what's being said.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then then my blame directed at Putin is this,
Speaker 2: I don't believe he has been sufficiently willing to work
Speaker 2: with Trump to be Trump's partner in this peace.
Speaker 1: Plan, Like, why is this stupid war still going.
Speaker 4: On because their terms haven't been met. What we're seeing
Speaker 4: right now is a one sided story. All we're getting is, well,
Speaker 4: you know, the West offered the olive branch and Putin refused.
Speaker 4: He wants war. We don't know that. The question is
Speaker 4: what kind of peace and on whose terms? Because Putin
Speaker 4: and Russia from the beginning have outlined what their requirements
Speaker 4: are for peace, and at this point they want a
Speaker 4: reduction of sanctions, They want recognition of the Donbass region
Speaker 4: as Russian.
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point it would be like if the.
Speaker 4: US had to give up Texas to solve a border war,
Speaker 4: like that may be realistic. That's not California, but well, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: but from Russia's point of view, that's what they're looking
Speaker 4: at this like, they don't this is their territory.
Speaker 1: Why should they have to give it up?
Speaker 4: And to say okay, we're going to freeze the fighting
Speaker 4: right here wherever it is, doesn't give them the twenty
Speaker 4: five percent remaining of Donbass that they say is actually theirs.
Speaker 4: They want relief from sanctions, they want these security guarantees,
Speaker 4: and we have this image that Russia is constantly attacking.
Speaker 4: You know, if Trump offered piece yesterday and Russia is
Speaker 4: bombing Ukraine today, what we don't hear is Ukraine is
Speaker 4: also bombing Russia. They just attacked a school, They're bombing civilians.
Speaker 4: That doesn't get reported. So it's all very one sided.
Speaker 4: Both sides are you know, their fingers are dirty at
Speaker 4: this point.
Speaker 1: But we only ever hear one side of it.
Speaker 2: But if Putin has a vision for peace in this circumstance,
Speaker 2: known't why doesn't he agree to the terms to get
Speaker 2: eyeball to eyeball with Trump to work those things out, Because,
Speaker 2: Frankly Pearson, I don't think this is about, you know,
Speaker 2: is the battle line a few kilometers this way or
Speaker 2: a few kilometers that way. I think what Russia actually
Speaker 2: needs is a security structure in Europe that.
Speaker 1: They can live with. Yeah, and that includes a buffer.
Speaker 2: And sometimes that buffer is going to be in the
Speaker 2: form of geography. But I think there are diplomatic buffers
Speaker 2: that can be provided to like not admitting Ukraine and
Speaker 2: a NATO would be a dimblematic great and see.
Speaker 4: It, we're not offering them that, We're not offering them anything.
Speaker 4: We're just saying Trump put it on truth.
Speaker 2: Trump put on truth social that Ukraine wasn't going to
Speaker 2: join NATO. Trump was doing everything he can to end
Speaker 2: this war, and I look at Putin as somebody who
Speaker 2: you know, I wonder is he trying to externalize his
Speaker 2: own conflict.
Speaker 4: I don't think we Again, I don't think we know
Speaker 4: what the details are. But the fact is that we've
Speaker 4: seen a lot of very good progress recently. Last week, Marco,
Speaker 4: Rubio and Lavrov had a great talk. Then we had
Speaker 4: Trump and Putin had a great talk. And after that
Speaker 4: talk it was so good in fact that Trump took
Speaker 4: Tomahawk missiles off the table for Ukraine.
Speaker 1: So that would be a terrible idea about it.
Speaker 2: Could just take a moment on that if we were
Speaker 2: to give Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, the risk of accidents,
Speaker 2: the risk of escalation.
Speaker 1: Accident, Well, I don't think it would be an accident.
Speaker 2: But what I mean is you could have a circumstance
Speaker 2: where Ukraine wasn't even launching Tomahawk missiles, but there could
Speaker 2: be an accident in an assessment there that would result
Speaker 2: in escalation, Like the fog of war can create accidents
Speaker 2: just in perception. And I think when you start injecting
Speaker 2: Tomahawk missiles into this fight, you don't make an end closer.
Speaker 2: You make it more likely that this is going to
Speaker 2: be an escalatory environment, Like right now, is it a
Speaker 2: de escalatory environment, an escalatory environment, or does this just
Speaker 2: keep rolling on.
Speaker 1: It's somewhere in the middle, because.
Speaker 4: Why should Putin stop At this point, He's winning, They've
Speaker 4: gained three thousand square miles of territory just this year.
Speaker 1: He is winning.
Speaker 4: Ukraine is losing, and there's no reason for him to
Speaker 4: stop what he considers a matter of national security securing
Speaker 4: Ukraine's borders. And the other thing that I want to
Speaker 4: point out that nobody is talking about, Russia is in
Speaker 4: a position where the United States and NATO, which formed
Speaker 4: an ally to basically combat Russia a long time ago,
Speaker 4: we have over one hundred bases, military bases, airfields right
Speaker 4: on Russia's border all through Europe. We have thousands, tens
Speaker 4: of thousands of troop military equipment, missiles pointed out Russia.
Speaker 4: The United States of America has over one hundred nuclear
Speaker 4: weapons in Europe pointed at Russia. Meanwhile, Russia doesn't have
Speaker 4: any basis on our borders. So who is actually being
Speaker 4: aggressive in this situation. Russia is trying to secure their
Speaker 4: national sovereignty and Ukraine is a big part of that.
Speaker 1: And I think no one's discussing this. I want to
Speaker 1: answer the question, why should Russia stop because this is
Speaker 1: bad for business for them?
Speaker 2: Right, Russia's end state should be re onboarding to the
Speaker 2: global financial love that.
Speaker 1: Well, sure, but they have to stop shooting at Ukraine.
Speaker 1: We have to give them a reason to do that. Well.
Speaker 2: By the way, that economic cooperation I think can be
Speaker 2: the bedmark of the reason. That's obviously how Trump views
Speaker 2: a lot of these foreign policy questions. He believes economic
Speaker 2: cooperation is step one to broader peace and broader just
Speaker 2: recognition of another entity's opportunity and right to exist.
Speaker 4: They would love to open up at this point, but
Speaker 4: they're not hurting right now. The sanctions from my experience
Speaker 4: in there, have not affected the people. You ask anybody
Speaker 4: and they'll say what sanctions. Their economy is growing. Things
Speaker 4: look very good for them at this point. They're building
Speaker 4: ties with other people. We're pushing them away, they're establishing
Speaker 4: internal independence. So on top of that, they're gaining territory
Speaker 4: in Ukraine. They are achieving their objectives.
Speaker 2: Do you think that Russia worries about further isolation from
Speaker 2: other allies? I look at Finland. You know, Finland was.
Speaker 1: I was in a rocky relationship forever, but a rocky relationship.
Speaker 2: But Finland was never considering joining NATO before this conflict.
Speaker 2: Now they're a member of NATO. I don't know that
Speaker 2: that makes Europe any safer. It it could create more
Speaker 2: of this encirclement dynamic that's led to violence. But I
Speaker 2: wonder if that's just the front end to the wave,
Speaker 2: and if there are concerns with Russia that other countries
Speaker 2: would be more willing to.
Speaker 4: Isolate them, probably at some point, but again, this is
Speaker 4: a matter of national security and life and death for them.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to back down on this
Speaker 4: issue unless we give them these absolute guarantees that they've
Speaker 4: been asking for from the beginning. From the beginning, they've
Speaker 4: been asking for this.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take a meeting to get there.
Speaker 1: Piac Yeah, so if.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned, you know this meeting's off. You're saying that
Speaker 2: there still is an appetite for it in Hungary and
Speaker 2: in Russia.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact.
Speaker 2: There's an appetite to get together and work this thing
Speaker 2: out on President Trump's behalf. So when do you think
Speaker 2: it will happen? What's the timeline and horizon you're looking
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 4: I think within the next couple of weeks, I think
Speaker 4: we're still going to see a meeting.
Speaker 2: And what's the key change in circumstance you think that
Speaker 2: brings us from where we are to that possibility.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a great question.
Speaker 4: Again, there's so much happening inside this that we don't see.
Speaker 4: I think Trump and Putin have a much greater understanding
Speaker 4: of each other and the situation than we appreciate from
Speaker 4: this perspective. But like this non paper that was apparently
Speaker 4: released by Russia, you know, we leaked that, and I
Speaker 4: think we leaked that intentionally to get the to get
Speaker 4: ahead of the messaging before Russia can put out their version.
Speaker 4: So all of this, I think is a propaganda war.
Speaker 4: Russia is saying the meeting's still on, We're saying the
Speaker 4: meetings off, and I think it's everybody's sort of posturing
Speaker 4: to niggle behind the scenes to get what they want.
Speaker 2: Well, it's worked on me because I'm admittedly annoyed that
Speaker 2: President Putin hasn't done more to meet President Trump at
Speaker 2: that end state that I think it looks like some
Speaker 2: sort of buffer for Russia, some sort of agreement that
Speaker 2: Russia is included in Europe's security strategy, not isolated as
Speaker 2: a consequence of it. And then cooperation in the areas
Speaker 2: where we can cooperate in the Arctic resource extraction, countering
Speaker 2: radical Islamic extremism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are.
Speaker 2: Obvious areas of cooperation, and I think it would benefit
Speaker 2: both of our countries. And I hope that the nitpicking
Speaker 2: you've kind of described comes to an end very soon.
Speaker 2: Pierson Sharp the best sourced man in what's going on
Speaker 2: in this part of the world.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait.
Speaker 2: You've got a big special coming up on One American News,
Speaker 2: and you're going to bring the viewer inside your trip
Speaker 2: to Russia, the incredible people you met, the incredible interdus.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for it. Pierson, Thanks Rap, thanks for
Speaker 2: being on the program. And coming up we will discuss
Speaker 2: the economics of the ongoing shutdown with James Fishback. He's
Speaker 2: been watching the markets and where to invest if this
Speaker 2: thing keeps rolling along. As Chuck Schumer tries to bring
Speaker 2: himself back to some sense of logic or reason.
Speaker 5: Viewers are always asking me, how can they watch away
Speaker 5: in live. The solution is simple. It's a streaming platform
Speaker 5: called cloud tv Now it's spelled klowd TV. Simply go
Speaker 5: to cloudtv dot com and subscribe to watch twenty four
Speaker 5: to seven live feeds of Away. The live package is
Speaker 5: only two dollars and fifty cents per month for all
Speaker 5: you can watch. Again, simply go to cloudtv dot com
Speaker 5: and do it today. Hey, did you know that One
Speaker 5: America News Network has launched a twenty four to seven
Speaker 5: Twitter like social media replacement. We're calling it free Talk
Speaker 5: forty five. So why is it branded free Talk forty five? Well,
Speaker 5: free talk because you will not be censored for expressing
Speaker 5: your opinion there, and forty five because forty five is
Speaker 5: a really lucky number. So join us at free Talk
Speaker 5: forty five and express yourself with no fear of cancelation. Ever, Hey,
Speaker 5: if your cable provider doesn't offer One America News Network,
Speaker 5: you should get them a call and kindly demand that
Speaker 5: they carry Away in. Now you're the customer, and without
Speaker 5: your feedback, your cable provider will not know that there
Speaker 5: is a strong demand across this country for One America
Speaker 5: News network. So please call your cable company today and
Speaker 5: kindly ask or demand that they add oann to their
Speaker 5: channel lineup. Hey everyone, here's a question for you. What
Speaker 5: does Roku TV, Apple TV, and Amazon fireTV all have
Speaker 5: in common. The answer is that all three platforms offer
Speaker 5: you the ability to live stream One America News network
Speaker 5: from your Roku TV, Apple TV or Amazon Fire device.
Speaker 5: Simply go to the app store, search out forn, then
Speaker 5: enjoy all the great programming offered by including my show
Speaker 5: Real America.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Matt Kaves Show, where government shutdowns
Speaker 2: are just another form of intermittent fasting for Washington, but
Speaker 2: instead of losing weight, we're just watching Senate Democrat leader
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer lose his mind.
Speaker 3: And Chuck Schumer is he's got I think he's mentally gone.
Speaker 3: He's been beat up by young radical lunatics.
Speaker 2: The shutdown is costing about one hundred and forty million
Speaker 2: dollars a day in delayed pay and lost productivity. There
Speaker 2: could be real impacts from that. Wall Street, of course,
Speaker 2: is watching this like a Netflix drama. Markets dipped slightly
Speaker 2: early in the week, but we have seen rebounding once
Speaker 2: traders realize that the irs might be closed. They've already
Speaker 2: had like half of their employees furloughed. I guess nothing
Speaker 2: makes investors smile like the tax man taking a vacation.
Speaker 2: The last time Washington shut down this long, Stock's actually
Speaker 2: rose three percent by the end of it.
Speaker 1: So maybe the.
Speaker 2: Real stimulus plan is just keeping Congress out of the
Speaker 2: building joining us. Now the CEO of Zoria James fishback.
Speaker 2: So James, how are markets going to react if this
Speaker 2: shutdown just keeps going along?
Speaker 6: Well, if a tree falls in the forest and no
Speaker 6: one's there to hear it, Matt, did it really even
Speaker 6: make a noise? I mean, looking at the markets, there's
Speaker 6: no real evidence that the markets are in any way
Speaker 6: concerned about it. In fact, the markets may actually be
Speaker 6: celebrating the prospect of another round of doge, that President
Speaker 6: Trump is actually using this opportunity to once again streamline government.
Speaker 6: And so all eyes are on the Friday CPI report,
Speaker 6: that's the inflation report that's coming out now, one week
Speaker 6: before the Fed meeting next Wednesday, where the markets have
Speaker 6: roughly an eighty percent probability that the Fed will deliver
Speaker 6: yet another twenty five basis point rate cut. Again too little,
Speaker 6: too late from a guy, of course, who goes by
Speaker 6: too late. But the big picture, Matt, is no signs
Speaker 6: that the markets are concerned about the government shutdown, or
Speaker 6: that the average American is The average American keeps their
Speaker 6: head down, keeps working hard, keeps saving up, and is
Speaker 6: not going to let Washington, DC hold them back.
Speaker 2: I get that President Trump has ameliorated a lot of
Speaker 2: the economic harm that could have come to the shutdown
Speaker 2: by ensuring that a lot of essential workers continue to
Speaker 2: be paid. Our military continues to be paid. Representative military
Speaker 2: district shutdowns were never fun because when the military is
Speaker 2: not getting paid, small businesses aren't seeing cash flow, and
Speaker 2: there starts to be some pressure on the lawmakers to
Speaker 2: get it resolved. Do you think that any of these
Speaker 2: Democrat senators who continue to vote against opening the government
Speaker 2: will ever feel pressure at any point in time if
Speaker 2: President Trump's tools to ameliorate those those economic pressures are
Speaker 2: in any way kind of depleted over a term of
Speaker 2: days or weeks.
Speaker 6: That's exactly right, Matt, And you know that you are
Speaker 6: well loved out in fl One. Egglin Air Force Base
Speaker 6: is just one example of the incredible, courageous service members
Speaker 6: who represent Northwest Florida. But to the big picture here,
Speaker 6: this is the only downside, of course, to President Trump
Speaker 6: coming up with novel solutions to dealing with the Schumer shutdown.
Speaker 6: Will you bring up in particular, is using terror prevenue
Speaker 6: or using access funding to support our service members or
Speaker 6: to support women and infant children with a snap program.
Speaker 6: It does take away the accountability mechanism which is pissed
Speaker 6: off constituents all over our home state of Florida or
Speaker 6: anywhere in the country calling up their Democratic congressman saying, wait,
Speaker 6: why are you in bed with Chuck Schumer and AOC
Speaker 6: and Quem Sombrero Jeffries, Why aren't you voting to reopen
Speaker 6: our government and to do right by the people. And
Speaker 6: so that is the only downside of President Trump's novel
Speaker 6: solutions of using tariff revenue and excess funds here and
Speaker 6: there is that it doesn't it's short circuits the full
Speaker 6: accountability mechanism that would come from pissed off constituents.
Speaker 2: It does sound like you're saying a lot of the
Speaker 2: features of the shutdown are kind of baked into the market.
Speaker 2: But if someone believed that there wasn't really going to
Speaker 2: be a come to reason moment for Chuck Schumer and
Speaker 2: President Trump is certainly not going to be held hostage.
Speaker 2: As he said the other day, like, what are the
Speaker 2: things that you bet on? What are the stocks you
Speaker 2: pick if you're betting for the shutdown.
Speaker 1: To go on, promont.
Speaker 6: That's a great question, I think you. It's actually not
Speaker 6: what you necessarily pick, Matt, it's what you want to avoid. Anybody,
Speaker 6: like a government contractor a defense contractor that relies on
Speaker 6: the large ESTs and the abuse and the exploitation of
Speaker 6: the taxpayer by the appropriators, they're not going to be
Speaker 6: in good shape because they're not getting any money. And
Speaker 6: so it's less about what you would buy and more
Speaker 6: about what you would avoid it. So you think of
Speaker 6: the big defense contractor names that for far too long
Speaker 6: have profited on these pointless foreign wars, they're going to
Speaker 6: be in big trouble at the shutdown continues, and they
Speaker 6: should be because they've profited for too long on taxpayer
Speaker 6: money being sent abroad for pointless reasons.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the supercharged powers that the Office of Management
Speaker 2: and Budget has under a shutdown, and it does seem
Speaker 2: they've drawn a bead on some of those foreign expenditures.
Speaker 1: But are there expenditures here at.
Speaker 2: Home domestically that you would advise Russfode and Dan Bishop
Speaker 2: to take a real hard look at during this time
Speaker 2: when they've got the ability to end things that aren't working.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, there are a range of programs. You think about
Speaker 6: USA and all the boondoggles that were sent ver Sias,
Speaker 6: but there are a range of domestic programs, whether it's
Speaker 6: for LGBT youth or phone lines for DEI, whatever it
Speaker 6: may be. If there is literally a dollar to be
Speaker 6: saved these riff reduction in force, whether it's actually going
Speaker 6: in and ripping up particular expenditures, they should absolutely do it.
Speaker 6: And anything that could be contested, push for it. Let
Speaker 6: the courts rule on this, and we can take it
Speaker 6: all the way up to the top where you know, Matt,
Speaker 6: we've got that six to three majority because of President
Speaker 6: Trump's leadership in his first term and your stern support
Speaker 6: for good constitutional justices, and so I say push the
Speaker 6: envelope here. But the Democrats have to own it. If
Speaker 6: they don't want to see their pet projects defunded, they've
Speaker 6: got to come to the table and at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, the public debate the marketplace of ideas.
Speaker 6: Let them defend whether it's the health insurance subsidies that
Speaker 6: apparently we're supposed to only be around for a year
Speaker 6: that are now getting extended into perpetuity. They have to
Speaker 6: actually own own up to that.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about those healthcare subsidies. It does seem that's
Speaker 2: the principal demand of Democrats at this time.
Speaker 1: But there are COVID era.
Speaker 2: Subsidies like they when they were put in place, the
Speaker 2: notion that they were going to live forever wasn't really
Speaker 2: part of the promise. Now they're suggesting that, like healthcare
Speaker 2: in America itself, is going to crumble if we don't
Speaker 2: have an extension of COVID subsidies and Obamacare subsidies. Do
Speaker 2: you think that they're like, when does the market start
Speaker 2: to react to the piling up debt and deficits from
Speaker 2: the spending demands that are coming principally from Democrats.
Speaker 6: That is the million dollar question. Perhaps it's even the
Speaker 6: thirty seven trillion dollar question, if we want to get
Speaker 6: pecific to the national debt figures.
Speaker 1: Matt.
Speaker 6: What's amazing, though, is there's nothing more permanent. And you've
Speaker 6: seen it on the inside, you know how the sausage
Speaker 6: is made. There is nothing more permanent in DC than
Speaker 6: in a temporary emergency government subsidy. These were COVID era
Speaker 6: healthcare emergency subsidies that might have made reasonable sense at
Speaker 6: the time, given how little we knew in the first
Speaker 6: couple of weeks, it very became quickly clear that this
Speaker 6: is not what we thought it was or what the
Speaker 6: Democrats wanted to push on us, the alarmists. But how
Speaker 6: are we the unreasonable ones for pushing back on it,
Speaker 6: for saying, no, we don't need to spend hundreds of
Speaker 6: billions of dollars to prop up the failed Obamacare regime.
Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, what I think
Speaker 6: Centerpublicans have proposes a great step forward is Democrats reopen
Speaker 6: the government, stop voting for the shutdown, and then we
Speaker 6: can have a separate debate, a separate vote on these
Speaker 6: health insurance subsidies. And if you actually have the merit
Speaker 6: and the evidence behind your argument, then you can win
Speaker 6: in the court of public opinion and translate that support
Speaker 6: and sentiment into votes on the House and Senate floor,
Speaker 6: and so they stop holding the government hostage. That is
Speaker 6: the real problem. Let's have an open and separate debate
Speaker 6: about healthcare substanies, which we know we're going to win that,
Speaker 6: but don't hold our service members at gunpoint over this
Speaker 6: government shutdown fiasco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like they're taking the position that the
Speaker 2: air traffic controllers shouldn't be paid so that they could
Speaker 2: argue how long a COVID subsidy lasts.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: And again you're right at the when you said at
Speaker 2: the beginning of our discussion that a lot of Americans
Speaker 2: are still going about their lives, the economies humming along
Speaker 2: because President Trump just hasn't stopped. But if you really
Speaker 2: look at the medium and long term impacts of what
Speaker 2: the Democrats are doing, I actually think it could have
Speaker 2: a pretty significant impact.
Speaker 1: And it would be.
Speaker 2: Really sick if that was the point of all this,
Speaker 2: if they actually want to see negative economic impact, because
Speaker 2: so many of the policies that you've been advocating for
Speaker 2: that we talk about of President Trump are working. James Fishback,
Speaker 2: CEO of Zoria, thanks for coming on and explaining your
Speaker 2: position on this.
Speaker 1: We always appreciate your expertise.
Speaker 2: Thanks Matt, and coming up, we'll check in on the
Speaker 2: state of democracy. It turns out there are a number
Speaker 2: of liberals whining that democracy isn't really democracy if it
Speaker 2: results in figures on the right winning elections. Alan Baccari
Speaker 2: has been following the matter closely for the Foundation for Freedom.
Speaker 1: Online, and he's here next.
Speaker 5: Hey, did you know that One America News Network has
Speaker 5: launched a twenty four to seven Twitter like social media replacement.
Speaker 5: We're calling it free Talk forty five. So why is
Speaker 5: it branded free Talk forty five? Well, free talk because
Speaker 5: you will not be censored for expressing your opinion there,
Speaker 5: and forty five because forty five is a really lucky number.
Speaker 5: So join us at free Talk forty five and express
Speaker 5: yourself with no fear of cancelation. Ever, Hey, if your
Speaker 5: cable provider doesn't offer One America News Network, you should
Speaker 5: give them a call and kindly demand that they carryan. Now,
Speaker 5: you're the customer, and without your feedback, your cable provider
Speaker 5: will not know that there is a strong demand across
Speaker 5: this country for One America News Network. So please call
Speaker 5: your cable company today and kindly ask or demand that
Speaker 5: they ADDANN to their channel lineup. Hey, everyone, here's a
Speaker 5: question for you. What does Roku TV, Apple TV, and
Speaker 5: Amazon fireTV all have in common? The answer is that
Speaker 5: all three platforms offer you the ability to live stream
Speaker 5: One America News Network from your Roku TV, Apple TV,
Speaker 5: or Amazon Fire device. Simply go to the app store
Speaker 5: search out foran, then enjoy all the great programming offered
Speaker 5: by ON, including my show Real America. Viewers are always
Speaker 5: asking me how can they watch OAN live? The solution
Speaker 5: is simple. It's a streaming platform called cloud tv now
Speaker 5: it's spelled klowd TV. Simply go to cloudtv dot com
Speaker 5: and subscribe to watch twenty four to seven live feeds
Speaker 5: of OAN. The live package is only two dollars and
Speaker 5: fifty cents per month for all you can watch. Again,
Speaker 5: simply go to cloud tv com and do it today.
Speaker 2: Last evening, we learned from Congressman Jim Jordan that the
Speaker 2: House Judiciary Committee is referring Obama CIA director John Brennan
Speaker 2: for criminal prosecution based on lies he told when I
Speaker 2: was questioning him.
Speaker 7: You're not supposed to lie, but you're definitely not supposed
Speaker 7: to lie when you're under oath in front of the
Speaker 7: United States Congress. And it looks like that's exactly what
Speaker 7: John Brennan did. And one of the individuals he lied
Speaker 7: to is the host of the Matt Gays Show. When
Speaker 7: you asked him, I thought a great question about the dossier,
Speaker 7: and he said, I had no involvement with the dossier.
Speaker 7: He told the committee that he didn't want the dossier
Speaker 7: in any way referenced in the Intelligence Community assessment.
Speaker 1: But guess what.
Speaker 7: Tulsey Gabberd released the classified version she declassified the Hipsie report,
Speaker 7: and it says just the opposite. It says Brennan was
Speaker 7: up to his eyeballs with the dossier that.
Speaker 1: He actually put in writing. He wanted it in the report.
Speaker 7: And the best one was when another CIA official came
Speaker 7: to mister Brennan and said, you know, mister Brennan, there's
Speaker 7: no intelligence to support the dossier. It's ridiculous. It shouldn't
Speaker 7: be in this report. He says, yeah, but doesn't it
Speaker 7: ring true, which I think got to his motive. He
Speaker 7: was out to get the president.
Speaker 2: Okay, So clearly what Jim Jordan just described, there is
Speaker 2: an attack on democracy that occurred as democrats, we're accusing
Speaker 2: us of attacking democracy, But some are asking what the
Speaker 2: state of democracy even looks like in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: If it looks like this, I'm probably out.
Speaker 1: So this is what democracy looks like. This is what
Speaker 1: democracy looks like. This is what democracy looks like. This
Speaker 1: is what democracy.
Speaker 5: Looks what.
Speaker 1: That is what alone and sad looks like.
Speaker 2: A new article published by the Foundation for Freedom Online
Speaker 2: analyzes liberal pundits arguing that when populist leaders are overwhelmingly elected,
Speaker 2: somehow that isn't democracy. We aren't so sure about that.
Speaker 8: Many devotees of MAGA, you themselves is supremely committed to
Speaker 8: democracy and democratic self government, and the Republican Party in Alabama,
Speaker 8: which is mega dominated, achieved sixty seventy percent results. I
Speaker 8: think this goes to a bigger question that we haven't
Speaker 8: really addressed as to whether democracy itself is a desirable
Speaker 8: at least unfiltered, uncut democracy is a desirable form of government.
Speaker 2: Joining us now Managing director of the Foundation for Freedom Online,
Speaker 2: Alan Bacari so Alim, it seems that after spending years
Speaker 2: lecturing us about democracy, democrats and other liberals may not
Speaker 2: be so into it after they've lost elections.
Speaker 1: What are we to make of it?
Speaker 9: So yeah, we have this new report of the Foundation
Speaker 9: for Freedom Online about the VP of Freedom House, which
Speaker 9: was a US government back nonprofit. They get the majority
Speaker 9: of their funding from the State Department eighty million dollars
Speaker 9: in government grants in twenty twenty three alone, actually according
Speaker 9: to the figures from that year, And one of their
Speaker 9: vps was on a live stream a couple of months
Speaker 9: before the twenty twenty four election that was literally titled
Speaker 9: is democracy a democratic form of government? And you know,
Speaker 9: you even watch the videos and our report, all the panelists,
Speaker 9: including this VP, are saying, well, it's a huge problem
Speaker 9: that populist are succeeding around the world. We need to
Speaker 9: do something about this, We need to empower judges. The
Speaker 9: VP of Freedom House himself talks about how populism is
Speaker 9: dangerous and majoritarian and ethnically nationalists. And keep in mind,
Speaker 9: this is a nonprofit whose sole purpose is to go
Speaker 9: around the world country by country, putting countries on lists
Speaker 9: and whether whether on the basis of whether they're democratic
Speaker 9: or not. You know, this is a non profit that
Speaker 9: talks about how El Salvador is democratically backsliding because it
Speaker 9: clean up crime, or that Victor Auban's Hungary is democratically
Speaker 9: backsliding because despite winning huge majorities, they kicked out George
Speaker 9: Soros's ngngos. And here they are questioning, you know, with
Speaker 9: literally our livestream saying is democracy, a democratic form of government.
Speaker 9: You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 2: I did not enjoy watching Stanford beat Florida State University
Speaker 2: in football, but when I left the game, I didn't
Speaker 2: say I wasn't watching football, right, I mean, we are
Speaker 2: watching democracy in places like El Salvador and in Hungary.
Speaker 2: They are producing results that some elites in America may
Speaker 2: not like. But in those countries those leaders are very
Speaker 2: popular and that's why they keep winning. So we just
Speaker 2: played this clip from the VP who says, we can't
Speaker 2: have uncut democracy. So what is like what democracy look
Speaker 2: like to them?
Speaker 9: Yeah, they use that phrase, they use unfiltered democracy. They
Speaker 9: use the phrase guard rails guard rails as a particular
Speaker 9: favorite term for them, and they use guardrails to this product.
Speaker 9: There needs to be guardrails on democracy. You'll hear them
Speaker 9: talk about them with social media as well. They need
Speaker 9: to be guardrails on social media. They need to be
Speaker 9: guard rails or artificial intelligence. And all they're talking about
Speaker 9: is what can we do to ensure that our ideology
Speaker 9: triumphs regardless of what the voters say, regardless of what
Speaker 9: results electors turn up. And in the other clips you'll
Speaker 9: hear them talking about how to empower judges to overturn
Speaker 9: the will of the people in these countries where they're
Speaker 9: not getting the election results they want. And this has
Speaker 9: been a theme we've seen from these sorts of people,
Speaker 9: these democracy experts. You know, how can we give more
Speaker 9: power to judges to block what democratically elected governments do.
Speaker 9: This is obviously the strategy they used at the start
Speaker 9: of the Trump administration to block some of his big moves,
Speaker 9: and they want to do it in on the concrees
Speaker 9: as well. So that's what they mean by god rails,
Speaker 9: that's what they mean by cutt and uncut democracy. They're
Speaker 9: just talking about how they can dilute the results of
Speaker 9: these elections.
Speaker 2: Typically you put up guard rails to stop a car
Speaker 2: from going off the road, but in this case, they
Speaker 2: just don't like the fact that what is driving the car.
Speaker 1: Is the will of the people.
Speaker 2: And we've observed frequently that the judiciary is like the
Speaker 2: last bastion of what the elites control. What we've shown
Speaker 2: is you can elect a populist congressman, you can elect
Speaker 2: a populist US senator. We've even elected a populist United
Speaker 2: States president, but it's very hard to get populist judges,
Speaker 2: because the mechanism by which one becomes a federal judge
Speaker 2: or an appellate judge is typically you know, you're the
Speaker 2: head of the local bar association. Both of your senators
Speaker 2: agreed to not issue a blue slip, and there's a
Speaker 2: credentialing process there that is often out of reach of
Speaker 2: populist legal minds. Is is that something that needs reform
Speaker 2: in order to get in front of some of the
Speaker 2: barriers to democracy that some of these some of these
Speaker 2: like fascists masquerading as democratic promoters would would have us believe.
Speaker 9: I think so they do have a massive advantage here
Speaker 9: just in terms of recruitment, just because you know, the
Speaker 9: whole system is so heavily tilted towards especially the education
Speaker 9: system as well. Right law schools they just churn out
Speaker 9: liberal judges and liberal lawyers, and there are these huge
Speaker 9: nonprofits that exist as well to support liberal, liberal justices.
Speaker 9: It's very part of them is very heavily weighted in
Speaker 9: one direction. And I think I agree that that is
Speaker 9: that that is a massive problem. It's it's kind of
Speaker 9: but the positive thing is it's sort of the last
Speaker 9: straw that they're grasping at because they know they've lost
Speaker 9: the democratic argument. They know they don't have the dominance
Speaker 9: of the legacy media anymore to promote their narrative. Who
Speaker 9: set the agenda, because that's been that's been a whittled
Speaker 9: way by independent media like OAAN, by social media, by podcasters,
Speaker 9: by so many other things. So you know, this reliance
Speaker 9: on judges is kind of a last straw for them,
Speaker 9: and it can only work so far when they don't
Speaker 9: when they don't control the information environen.
Speaker 2: I wonder what populists on the left are thinking about this.
Speaker 2: I am often criticized when I take positions that sometimes
Speaker 2: are contrarian to the Republican zeitgeist, and people will say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: like you're against surveillance, you're on the same side as
Speaker 2: ilhan O mar or you know you're for banning congressionals
Speaker 2: dock trading. That's something AOC believes. I never minded working
Speaker 2: with left wing populists to achieve the objectives that I
Speaker 2: wanted to achieve, But in this case, like the way
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is moving, is definitely away from the
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer types and more toward the Zoron Mamdani archetype.
Speaker 1: Are leftist populists.
Speaker 2: Going to accept this viewpoint that the real democracy is
Speaker 2: a democracy where the voting is really just a recommendation
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, the elites get
Speaker 2: to make the operative decisions.
Speaker 9: Well, look, I think leftist populist would be a disaster
Speaker 9: in many ways. I think Zoram Mandam would be a
Speaker 9: disaster for New York. I think Jeremy Corbyn would have
Speaker 9: been a disaster in the United Kingdom. But there's no
Speaker 9: doubt that a lot of these tactics that have been
Speaker 9: used to shut up and thwart the populist right when
Speaker 9: they've been successful in elections have also been used against
Speaker 9: the populist left. Or just thinking about Jeremy Corbyn, and
Speaker 9: again he would have been a terrible prime minister in
Speaker 9: my opinion. But you take an organization like the Center
Speaker 9: for Countering Digital Hate, which was used to promote censorship
Speaker 9: in the United States on social media, including of RFK Junior.
Speaker 9: They put him on a list of disinformation agents during COVID.
Speaker 9: They were set up actually to go after Jeremy Corbyn
Speaker 9: and the populist left in the UK, and that's how
Speaker 9: that's their origin story. And then they then turn their
Speaker 9: attentions to the populist right in the US, and obviously
Speaker 9: you know there are other cases. Bernie Sanders famously famously
Speaker 9: screwed over by the DNC on many, many occasions, despite
Speaker 9: the fact that he was so popular, probably the single
Speaker 9: most popular candidate in some of these contests. So you see,
Speaker 9: you see the same attempts to thwart democracy against the
Speaker 9: populist left as well. So it's something and online censorship
Speaker 9: as well. Like I said, the Center for Countering Digital
Speaker 9: Hate in the UK initially went after Jeremy Corbyn, so
Speaker 9: it really is used against both.
Speaker 2: Science there seems to be a lot of skepticism about
Speaker 2: centralized power among young people on the political left and
Speaker 2: on the political right. As you analyze the right and
Speaker 2: the left in the United States, which movement do you
Speaker 2: think centralizes power most and which is democratizing power most.
Speaker 9: It's hard to say, really, but I mean, because you
Speaker 9: have you have this deep steak right, A lot of
Speaker 9: the pressure for online censorship came from government agencies, and
Speaker 9: most of that was frankly targeted against the first Trump administration.
Speaker 9: That's when all of this arose. In fact, some of
Speaker 9: the research on this you look at how often government
Speaker 9: grants cite disinformation as their reason for existing, and it
Speaker 9: basically doesn't exist before twenty sixteen. But after twenty sixteen
Speaker 9: you see hundreds and hundreds of government grants with disinformation
Speaker 9: or misinformation in the name. So all of this pressure
Speaker 9: for online censorship to blunt populist movements happened because Trump
Speaker 9: won that election. So there's definitely a partisan's sense of it,
Speaker 9: because the populist right has been more successful at winning elections.
Speaker 9: That's what the censorship industry, that's what the democracy experts
Speaker 9: who want to thought democracy have focused on.
Speaker 2: You begin this discussion by pointing to the fact that
Speaker 2: the entities that we're talking about, you know, how to
Speaker 2: sand the populist edges off of actual democracy, had received
Speaker 2: government funding. You know, we now are in this shutdown.
Speaker 2: It seems the Office of Management and Budget has supercharged
Speaker 2: powers to be able to terminally end some of the
Speaker 2: things that cost taxpayers a lot of money over time.
Speaker 2: How would you assess the Trump administration's approach to rooting
Speaker 2: out the funding of the censorship industrial complex.
Speaker 9: Well, they came in on day one and pasted an
Speaker 9: executive order saying government money can no longer go to
Speaker 9: entities that promote online censorship, whether it's through disinformation studies
Speaker 9: or anything else. And Freedom House is another great example
Speaker 9: because this is a nonprofit that was set up off
Speaker 9: the World War Two basically by the government and has
Speaker 9: been primarily funded by the State Department throughout its entire existence,
Speaker 9: and its entire existence owed to the fact that that's
Speaker 9: an arm of US influence because it help it's help
Speaker 9: perpots to pinpoint and condemn other countries that aren't aren't
Speaker 9: to toeing the line, as it were, and they're the
Speaker 9: countries that get called anti democratic. They're the countries that
Speaker 9: get called accused of democratic backsliding. And like I said,
Speaker 9: El Salvador's at least example of this, but they lost
Speaker 9: a lot of their funding because Donald Trump cut USAID
Speaker 9: at the start of his administration and a lot of
Speaker 9: their funding came from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting that they like in places like
Speaker 2: El Salvador, where the people show up and are just
Speaker 2: genuinely overwhelmingly happy with the leadership of President bukel A
Speaker 2: and his party, they continue to vote for him, and
Speaker 2: yet you hear this criticism as a consequence of result.
Speaker 2: And there's a certain there's a certain tag. They use
Speaker 2: illiberal democracy, right, that's well, that might be a democracy,
Speaker 2: but it's an illiberal democracy.
Speaker 1: And that's the slight.
Speaker 2: And I guess the vision for democracy that they would
Speaker 2: present is what is it? Is it more like what
Speaker 2: we see in the UK, where you do have hate
Speaker 2: speech laws and empowered judges. Like the folks that hold
Speaker 2: these views, what is the kreme delacrame of democracy in
Speaker 2: their mind? If the people showing up and overwhelmingly voting
Speaker 2: for President Trump or President Bucelly somehow offends their sensibilities
Speaker 2: on democracy.
Speaker 9: Oh that certainly love hate speech laws, no doubt. I
Speaker 9: will say one thing about the UK. Judges are actually
Speaker 9: not very powerful in the UK because Parliament is sovereign
Speaker 9: and Parliament has the ability to completely reform the judiciary
Speaker 9: if it wants to. In fact, one of the proposals
Speaker 9: from Reform UK, which is the new insurgent populist party
Speaker 9: in the UK, that is really troubling this faction, this
Speaker 9: anti democratic faction, is the fact that on one of
Speaker 9: their first actions is going to be to withdraw from
Speaker 9: the European Convention on Human Rights, and that is the
Speaker 9: European law which has empowered judges in the UK to
Speaker 9: block things like deportations. But because the judiciary is not
Speaker 9: actually an independent third branch in the UK as it
Speaker 9: is in the US, Parliament can do that as long
Speaker 9: as the House of Common passes a law saying we're
Speaker 9: withdrawing from this where reforming the judiciary, there's nothing that
Speaker 9: can really stop that. So that's the other thing I'll
Speaker 9: say there. Not every country is the same in terms
Speaker 9: of the balance of powers between the judiciary and the legislature,
Speaker 9: and I'm saying the UK it's actually chilted quite heavily
Speaker 9: in favor of the legislature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems though the commentators that we're critiquing now
Speaker 2: just want to tilt it in favor of the judges
Speaker 2: and away from the actual vote of the people. Aliabapari
Speaker 2: Foundation for Freedom Online. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: us and sharing your perspective.
Speaker 9: Thanks Matt.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for flu season or just hoping for
Speaker 2: the best. Don't get caught off guard. Be prepared with
Speaker 2: all Family Pharmacy. Their process is simple and straightforward. A
Speaker 2: licensed doctor reviews every order and the prescription is included,
Speaker 2: unlike big chain pharmacies that push the flu shot is
Speaker 2: the only option All Family Pharmacy believes in medical freedom
Speaker 2: and gives you real options. You pick the medicines that
Speaker 2: work for you, So now is the time to stock
Speaker 2: up your cabinet.
Speaker 1: They have everything you need.
Speaker 2: Tama Flu for flu treatment and prevention, antibiotics, anti virals, Ivermectin,
Speaker 2: hydroxychlorquin immune support, and more than two hundred medications to
Speaker 2: choose from. It's my go to pharmacy for medications that
Speaker 2: we get through prescription. Also supplements delivered right to my door.
Speaker 2: Shipping is fast and if you need it right away,
Speaker 2: overnight also available, So be proactive prepared. Visit Allfamilypharmacy dot
Speaker 2: com forward slash Matt use code Matt ten to save
Speaker 2: ten percent. Again, that's All Family Pharmacy dot com forward
Speaker 2: slash Matt code Matt ten. And coming up, President Trump
Speaker 2: has big plans for the East Room. There's going to
Speaker 2: be a ballroom that will outlast the Trump presidency. Daniel
Speaker 2: Baldwin will explain why the media is going crazy about it.
Speaker 6: Next.
Speaker 5: Hey, if your cable provider doesn't offer one America News Network,
Speaker 5: you should give them a call and kindly demand that
Speaker 5: they carry OAN. Now you're the customer and without your feedback.
Speaker 5: Your cable provider will not know that there is a
Speaker 5: strong demand across this country for One America News Network,
Speaker 5: So please call your cable company today and kindly ask
Speaker 5: or demand that they add o ANN to their channel lineup.
Speaker 5: Hey everyone, here's a question for you. What does Roku TV,
Speaker 5: Apple TV, and Amazon fireTV all have in common? The
Speaker 5: answer is that all three platforms offer you the ability
Speaker 5: to live stream One America News Network from your Roku TV,
Speaker 5: Apple TV or Amazon Fire device. Simply go to the
Speaker 5: app store, search out FORN, then enjoy all the great
Speaker 5: programming offered by ON, including my show Real America. Viewers
Speaker 5: are always asking me how can they watch OAN live?
Speaker 5: The solution is simple. It's a streaming platform called cloud tv.
Speaker 5: Now it's spelled klowd TV. Simply go to cloudtv dot
Speaker 5: com and subscribe ribe to watch twenty four to seven
Speaker 5: live feeds of a wayn. The live package is only
Speaker 5: two dollars and fifty cents per month for all you
Speaker 5: can watch. Again, simply go to cloudtv dot com and
Speaker 5: do it today. Hey, did you know that One America
Speaker 5: News Network has launched a twenty four to seven Twitter
Speaker 5: like social media replacement we're calling it free Talk forty five.
Speaker 5: So why is it branded free talk forty five. Well,
Speaker 5: free talk because you will not be censored for expressing
Speaker 5: your opinion there, and forty five because forty five is
Speaker 5: a really lucky number. So join us at free Talk
Speaker 5: forty five and express yourself with no fear of cancelation.
Speaker 1: Ever.
Speaker 3: Now, for one hundred and fifty years, they've wanted a
Speaker 3: ballroom here.
Speaker 1: We don't have a ballroom. We have a little cocktail area.
Speaker 3: I said, if I do this again, I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: a ballroom built in. We're putting up our own money
Speaker 3: with the government just paying for nothing. You probably hear
Speaker 3: the beautiful sound of construction to the back. You hear
Speaker 3: that sound, Oh that's music to my ears.
Speaker 1: I love that sound. Other people don't like it.
Speaker 3: I love it, Josh. I think when I hear that sound,
Speaker 3: it reminds me of money. In this case, it reminds
Speaker 3: me of lack of money because I'm paying for it.
Speaker 5: So it's the appissore.
Speaker 2: He's the ballroom builder in chief. That man knows how
Speaker 2: to build a ballroom. I actually had my first date
Speaker 2: with my wife in President Trump's ballroom, got engaged to
Speaker 2: my wife right there outside the ballroom. So if anyone's
Speaker 2: going to build ao a ballroom in the East Wing,
Speaker 2: I'm glad it's President Trump. He's touting his plan for
Speaker 2: this bold renovation at the White House. They're demolishing the
Speaker 2: East Wing to build this magnificent ballroom that would serve
Speaker 2: as a beautiful place for elegance date dinners. President Trump
Speaker 2: is hardly the first president to propose or execute renovations
Speaker 2: at the White House, but the Democrats and members of
Speaker 2: the mainstream press have just gone into total meltdown over this.
Speaker 2: Gavin News posted on X Ripping apart the White House
Speaker 2: is just like he's ripping apart the Constitution. Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: piled on saying, quote, it's not his house, it's your house,
Speaker 2: and he's destroying it.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: This from the same Hillary Clinton that was a part
Speaker 2: of the administration that was renting out the Lincoln Bedroom
Speaker 2: to donors. Trump's goal is to make this planned ballroom classy,
Speaker 2: decked out with signature Trump touches like gold chandeliers, marble floors,
Speaker 2: and maybe even an iPad so he can dj a
Speaker 2: view of few events himself.
Speaker 1: Critics will whine about.
Speaker 2: History history the East wings just like an add on
Speaker 2: from the nineteen forties. It's not like he's painting over
Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore for a parking lot.
Speaker 1: So what's all the hub ub about joining us now?
Speaker 2: One American News chief White House correspondent Daniel Baldwin. So,
Speaker 2: Daniel tell us about the plans for the new ballroom, Well.
Speaker 10: Matt, I think there's a lot of fake outrage over
Speaker 10: this from liberal media outlets and people who generally just
Speaker 10: dislike the President and don't enjoy anything. I can tell
Speaker 10: you from a reporter perspective, many reporters are actually happy
Speaker 10: out of the ballroom, considering there's been a lot of
Speaker 10: different space issues for covering President Trump's event. I can
Speaker 10: tell you firsthand. There was one event back in August
Speaker 10: where President Trump decided to federalize the DC Police Force
Speaker 10: and crack down on crime. Here in Washington, DC. The
Speaker 10: President held a press conference in the James Brady Press
Speaker 10: Briefing Room, and in order to get a decent spot,
Speaker 10: I actually had to show up at six point thirty
Speaker 10: in the morning, about four hours in advance of that
Speaker 10: specific press briefing, just to get a decent shot at
Speaker 10: asking the President a question. I succeeded but I had
Speaker 10: to stand in place for a better part of five
Speaker 10: to six hours, and I've never seen a room that
Speaker 10: crowded before even the presidents that I've never seen the
Speaker 10: briefing room this crowded. Considering the vast amount of media
Speaker 10: interest there is and covering the White House under this administration,
Speaker 10: there's been many people saying that we need bigger spaces
Speaker 10: to hold events. Even the East Room is not big enough.
Speaker 10: That's when the functionality of a ballroom that's allegedly going
Speaker 10: to be ninety thousand square feet and have a capacity
Speaker 10: of six hundred and fifty people, that's where something like
Speaker 10: that was actually prove to be very functional. Matt and
Speaker 10: of course the President, he's very much in his respective
Speaker 10: zone or element here when it comes to constructing and
Speaker 10: touching things up. We've seen it in the Oval Office,
Speaker 10: We've seen it inside the Palm Room doors where he's
Speaker 10: replaced tile. We've seen it with the Rose Garden. This
Speaker 10: is just the latest piece of evidence with that, and
Speaker 10: it's another opportunity that Democrats are taking to try to
Speaker 10: attack the president shamelessly.
Speaker 2: Daniel Baldwin will get there at midnight if you need
Speaker 2: him to to get the Scoop That's why we Love You.
Speaker 2: On One American News, Daniel talk about the utility of
Speaker 2: this space to enhance America's soft power when hosting major
Speaker 2: state dinners and bringing in global leaders.
Speaker 10: Well, the Press Secretary has talked about this a little bit,
Speaker 10: Caroline Levitt, emphasizing that sometimes when you want to have
Speaker 10: events here at the White House, you need to rent
Speaker 10: out this massive, ugly white tent and you got to
Speaker 10: put it over the south lawn and you've got to
Speaker 10: hope for good weather. This eliminates any type of issue
Speaker 10: with that. When the President wants to have a event
Speaker 10: bringing forth a lot of different people, he can now
Speaker 10: once this ballroom, this majestic ballroom befitting a president of
Speaker 10: the United States, the elegance and the opulence befitting the
Speaker 10: world's biggest superpower gets put up, the president can have
Speaker 10: events where he invites three hundred, four hundred, five hundred
Speaker 10: people and appropriately allow the media to cover it. It's just
Speaker 10: incredibly functional when you think about it, Matt, because when
Speaker 10: there are events here at the White House, you know
Speaker 10: you've been here for some of them. Space is at
Speaker 10: a premium. It is undoubtedly a tight it's a tight
Speaker 10: space here. And you know it may not seem that
Speaker 10: way for people who are watching on TV, but the
Speaker 10: press briefing room is tight.
Speaker 1: The east room is tight.
Speaker 10: Just areas when you walk around, you got to get
Speaker 10: very comfortable being shoulder to shoulder with other media members
Speaker 10: standing for long periods of time. This ballroom is incredibly functional,
Speaker 10: not only for the president when it comes to event
Speaker 10: planning and logistics, but it's also functional for the media
Speaker 10: when it comes to being able to comfortably cover presidential events.
Speaker 2: Matt, Yeah, and this is not some big aggrandizement to Trump.
Speaker 2: The ballroom is principally going to be used by the
Speaker 2: presidents who come after President Trump, and they will get
Speaker 2: the benefit of it. And hopefully we don't have any
Speaker 2: more who have such small crowds. They have to draw
Speaker 2: those circles in the ballroom and have everyone eight feet apart.
Speaker 1: But what is the estimated time for a completion.
Speaker 10: There's no exact estimated time at the moment, but the
Speaker 10: White House I think is hoping to get this done
Speaker 10: before President Trump's term is up. Obviously that's very optimistic,
Speaker 10: but you know, I don't think we've ever had a
Speaker 10: president who quite understands construction like President Trump does give
Speaker 10: in his background as a real estate developer in New
Speaker 10: York City. Matt, So, as you know, the President is
Speaker 10: very focused on making sure that the White House is
Speaker 10: properly renovated and it looks the part, and it feels
Speaker 10: the part, and I think he's going to do everything
Speaker 10: he can to make sure that this is up and
Speaker 10: this is part of the lasting legacy that Donald J.
Speaker 10: Trump leaves in the White House for years to come.
Speaker 2: And I just think there might be a little bit
Speaker 2: of this that is trolling Chuck Schumer because as Schumer
Speaker 2: is trying to bring the government to a shutdown here,
Speaker 2: Trump is out working on peace deals around the world
Speaker 2: and even announcing new construction projects. There is an optimism
Speaker 2: and an energy and an activity that just that won't
Speaker 2: be shut down by anyone. Chief White House Correspondent Daniel Baldwin,
Speaker 2: thanks for being on the story, my friend. Thanks Matt,
Speaker 2: and coming up in New York City, there is this
Speaker 2: demand now to somehow get everybody to fall in line
Speaker 2: behind Cuomo. We're not here for it, and neither is
Speaker 2: our next guest Toefinal Forte of the New York and
Speaker 2: Republican club, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 5: Hey everyone, here's a question for you. What does Roku TV,
Speaker 5: Apple TV, and Amazon Fire TV all have in common?
Speaker 5: The answer is that all three platforms offer you the
Speaker 5: ability to lie stream One America News Network from your
Speaker 5: Roku TV AppleTV or Amazon Fire device. Simply go to
Speaker 5: the app store, search out for an then enjoy all
Speaker 5: the great programming offered by O in, including my show
Speaker 5: Real America. Viewers are always asking me how can they
Speaker 5: watch OAN live? The solution is simple. It's a streaming
Speaker 5: platform called cloud tv. Now it's spelled klowd TV. Simply
Speaker 5: go to cloudtv dot com and subscribe to watch twenty
Speaker 5: four to seven live feeds of OAN. The live package
Speaker 5: is only two dollars and fifty cents per month for
Speaker 5: all you can watch. Again, simply go to cloudtv dot
Speaker 5: com and do it today. Hey, did you know that
Speaker 5: One America News Network has launched a twenty four to
Speaker 5: seven Twitter like social media replacement. We're calling it free
Speaker 5: Talk for so why is it branded free talk forty five? Well,
Speaker 5: free talk because you will not be censored for expressing
Speaker 5: your opinion there, and forty five because forty five is
Speaker 5: a really lucky number. So join us at free Talk
Speaker 5: forty five and express yourself with no fear of cancelation. Ever, Hey,
Speaker 5: if your cable provider doesn't offer one America News Network,
Speaker 5: you should give them a call and kindly demand that
Speaker 5: they CARRYAN. Now you're the customer, and without your feedback,
Speaker 5: your cable provider will not know that there is a
Speaker 5: strong demand across this country for one America News Network.
Speaker 5: So please call your cable company today and kindly ask
Speaker 5: or demand that they ADDANN to their channel lineup.
Speaker 1: We've noticed a trend online.
Speaker 2: People started to wake up up to some of the
Speaker 2: New York City mayoral canon. It's Zoron Mandami's actual views,
Speaker 2: and they say, if you don't vote for Cuomo or
Speaker 2: basically for a communist, I reject that frame. Zoron is
Speaker 2: gonna be elected. Maybe the people of New York deserve him.
Speaker 2: He will probably fail, but so will Cuomo. Cuoma's already failed.
Speaker 2: It's loser talk to suggest that it's better to help
Speaker 2: Cuomo keep it close than it is to ride with
Speaker 2: a more authentic Republican. Joining us to discuss the state
Speaker 2: of the race. New York and Republican Club President Stefano Forte.
Speaker 2: So Stefano, tell us, have people just given up to
Speaker 2: the sense that Mamdani is gonna win? He's going to
Speaker 2: be your mayor and everybody just gets to cast their
Speaker 2: protest vote for either Sliwa or Cuomo.
Speaker 1: First off, thank you for having me on, Matt.
Speaker 11: I don't think that it's a protest vote at this point.
Speaker 11: I think a lot of people are a bit dooming gloom.
Speaker 11: I think that all the campaigns could be doing better
Speaker 11: and trying to make themselves viable against Mom Donnie. But look,
Speaker 11: Mam Donnie has an energy behind him and this young
Speaker 11: socialist movement that's trying to push him to the finish line.
Speaker 11: But look, we're going to be doing everything we can
Speaker 11: to get city council people elected in districts that can
Speaker 11: hold Mamdannie accountable if he becomes mayor, and we're really
Speaker 11: hoping that he does not. But Congress can step in
Speaker 11: and act as well. In the New York Republican Club
Speaker 11: put together a legal memo outlining how Mam Donnie could
Speaker 11: be kicked off the ballot this November or denied entry
Speaker 11: into Gracie Mansion. So these are all things that we
Speaker 11: can do to stop Mam Donnie, I don't think New
Speaker 11: York is done yet.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you have a candidate that's going
Speaker 2: to stop him from winning the election. And it seems
Speaker 2: that your strategy, and it's a smart one, is to say, okay, well,
Speaker 2: what are the things we can do to ameliorate or
Speaker 2: mitigate some of the worst features of his policy proposals,
Speaker 2: and trying to constrain him legally and trying to get
Speaker 2: good people in the city council.
Speaker 1: Those are effective strategies.
Speaker 2: But like, the reason I wanted you on the program,
Speaker 2: stefan O, is that you came on earlier and you said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not buying into this whole. We have to all
Speaker 2: fall in line behind Cuomo if we're going to lose,
Speaker 2: like I'd at least rather lose with someone who's a
Speaker 2: conservative rather than the people the guy who was killing
Speaker 2: grandmothers when he was governor. And it got me thinking,
Speaker 2: is this why, other than maybe Lee Zelden, we haven't
Speaker 2: had really promising campaigns come out of New York because
Speaker 2: there's such a willingness to just like go with the
Speaker 2: least worst option, and we haven't carved out the type
Speaker 2: of like iconic Teddy Roosevelt type characters that have made
Speaker 2: the Empire State famous in politics for some time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Look, I mean I don't want to say that we've
Speaker 11: kind of been settling.
Speaker 8: I do love Curtis.
Speaker 1: Curtis is a friend.
Speaker 11: Of mine and he is truly an iconic New York figure.
Speaker 11: I think you could place a lot of the blame
Speaker 11: on the party apparatus itself. We need a better party
Speaker 11: apparatus in New York. We need a party apparatus that
Speaker 11: is going to invest in New York City. Saying that
Speaker 11: we're just going to leave the cities, that we're not
Speaker 11: going to try to be competitive in New York City,
Speaker 11: that's utter nonsense. This is the mecca, the epi center
Speaker 11: of culture in the United States. We cannot just abandon
Speaker 11: New York City. And you know, I do believe that
Speaker 11: next cycle we can have a very viable governor candidate
Speaker 11: if we have great minds on the campaign that are
Speaker 11: willing to be brave and courageous and do what's necessary
Speaker 11: to actually win. And to your point on Andrew Cuomo, exactly,
Speaker 11: I'm I'm not going Andrew Cuomo has done nothing to
Speaker 11: try to earn my vote and there is a kind
Speaker 11: of sentiment among Republicans where it's like, you're Andrew Cuomo,
Speaker 11: You're not entitled to our vote. You're not entitled to
Speaker 11: anything here. You've got to come to us and try
Speaker 11: to make a deal of some kind, and he hasn't.
Speaker 11: So if he's not looking to do that, then we're
Speaker 11: not going to be holding water for Andrew Cuomo. We
Speaker 11: owe him nothing.
Speaker 2: I worry that New York may be the front end
Speaker 2: of the wave. We're starting to see these democrat socialist
Speaker 2: candidates in places like Minneapolis and elsewhere emerge. What warning
Speaker 2: would you give a city that might be the next
Speaker 2: to have a rising socialist to emerge as a front
Speaker 2: runner from mayor?
Speaker 11: You know, I'm going to go even farther than just cities.
Speaker 11: I'm going to go for some of these rural towns
Speaker 11: as well. This is a message truly to the entirety
Speaker 11: of the United States. They are coming for everything. The
Speaker 11: barbarians are at the gate. They will not stop at
Speaker 11: New York City, they will not stop at Minneapolis. They
Speaker 11: are going to go and slowly march through the entirety
Speaker 11: of the United States. They want it all. They're not
Speaker 11: stopping here that's all. We need to fight now and
Speaker 11: win now to stop them from coming after so many
Speaker 11: beautiful cities and towns in the United States.
Speaker 1: Stephano Forte, president of the New York Young Republic Club,
Speaker 1: thanks for the warning, best of luck, Thank you. That's
Speaker 1: all the time we have.
Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow, nine Eastern six specific Make sure
Speaker 2: to sign up for the o AN Live app if
Speaker 2: you haven't already, Just go to O a n n
Speaker 2: dot com, follow me on X at Mattgates, email us
Speaker 2: the Matt Gates Show at o a n n dot
Speaker 2: com and stay right here.
Speaker 1: Fine Point with Chanel Ryan is up next. Let's go
Speaker 1: get them