WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:02.399 You know my god shoes. 2 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:25.600 Yeah, oh gosh, this love me when you get. 3 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:26.960 Only nobody it was my garden. You don't know how 4 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:32.240 to get close to me because when you don't why 5 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:36.240 it was like keep it said, don't. 6 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:42.240 The life of the body your on the you saw 7 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:47.920 me on my funny, I say. 8 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:53.840 For that is j Use. I didn't even know what 9 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.679 to expect there. I was like, we got a deep cut, 10 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:01.679 I got some new and then sorry you oh yes, 11 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:05.719 because before everyone was so afraid no, no, you're good, 12 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:06.680 you're good recording. 13 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:08.040 Yeah, you love it. 14 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.280 I didn't know what to expect. That was amazing. That 15 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.400 was actually the best gift anyone's got me. Thank you 16 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:14.959 so much. 17 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:20.840 Yours here. 18 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.120 Oh they board. They bought a whole billboard for me. 19 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:32.799 And I'm over here like, but I appreciate it because the. 20 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.560 Mix man, that's crazy. Yeah, not for sure, man, you know. 21 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:37.200 And I was talking to Fuse about these intros by 22 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:38.560 the way tweets on the cruise show. 23 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.560 We had it so especial, thank you guys, so fun 24 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:42.959 you know, And. 25 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:44.959 I was talking to Fuse about, you know, doing these intros. 26 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.040 He does them for for the artists that pull up 27 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.519 and you know, it takes time. It's it's days in 28 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.680 the making, and it's hours in the making as well. 29 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.120 And you know, Fuse cares about the music and the presentation. 30 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:56.040 I love that. 31 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:56.480 Yeah. 32 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:58.599 Wait, so you like so do you like Crash and Burn? 33 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.000 Do you have a you put Crash and Burn in there? 34 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:04.319 That's a yea yeah, it's in there. 35 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.280 We have the Blast one in there, and we got 36 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.719 then we got All Night Long. That's a crazy one. 37 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:11.840 That was like the first one that like kind of 38 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:13.280 go all over the place with it. 39 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:17.599 You know, I was all, there's a lot of ground 40 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.039 to cover of the music, right, you've been putting in 41 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.960 that work. Congratulations, Wings is out, Wings is out. Wings 42 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.919 is out, man, and it sounds amazing. The sound is out. Yeah, 43 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:29.360 you're flying right like you wanted to be free. This 44 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.919 was like a freeing. It was project for you especially, 45 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.879 you know. Okay, So Coachella was a vibe that was crazy. Congratulations, 46 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:41.199 first Vietnamese American to do so, right, let's get it. Congratulations. 47 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:47.159 That's crazy because you know that there's other Vietnamese children 48 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:51.120 or kids or adolescents or young adults watching you and 49 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.319 and creating a path for themselves. Because of the path 50 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:55.439 you've created for yourself. 51 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:57.960 You said it like you couldn't have said it any better. 52 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.960 I mean, I think I'm very That was the first 53 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.800 time that I was I actually told myself that I 54 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:06.879 was proud of myself. And you know, when you're a 55 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:09.680 child of immigrants, you don't say that a lot to 56 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:13.280 yourself because the standards are always so high, and growing up, 57 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.479 I was the first female in my family, and I 58 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.800 felt a lot of pressure to always make my parents proud, 59 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:21.840 and so my whole life I was really like never 60 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.639 living for myself and never trying to make myself proud. 61 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:26.960 But Coachella was that moment where I was like, damn, 62 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.919 this is a super Bowl of like all music festivals. 63 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:35.360 I'm here, I'm making history, and things might have not 64 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:37.639 gone the way I had planned, but I'm so proud 65 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.680 of myself for coming here, showing up, giving a show, 66 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:45.400 like representing my community, and I think that that's really special. 67 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.080 Sure. Yeah, after doing Coachella, you say it's like the 68 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:49.719 super Bowl, right, and it is because it's one of 69 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.120 the biggest stages in the world. After Coachella, was there 70 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.960 something or someone nagging at you saying, all right, well, 71 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:56.840 how do you top that. 72 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:00.759 Literally, and I think that that. Honestly, I'm just being 73 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.280 I'm like, haha, like I'm funny whatever, but like this 74 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.159 is not that funny. But I definitely kind of went 75 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.479 down a mental spiral of where because I always trusted 76 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:13.639 my gut, like I never let anybody. That's why That's 77 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.839 how I'm here is because I always felt like this 78 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.439 is the best decision. And maybe in hindsight, looking back, 79 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:22.759 I'm like, maybe I shouldn't have made that decision, but 80 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.279 it got me to where I'm at because I trusted myself. 81 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:29.040 After Coachella, it was like everybody wanting to work all 82 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.040 of a sudden, or people wanting to like send me 83 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.839 beats or all of a sudden wanting to write for me, 84 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.759 and all these things, and people saying like, oh, you 85 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.120 should dress like this, or you should collab with this person, 86 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.759 you should do these things. When you have all those voices, 87 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.079 you kind of stop trusting your gut, right And then 88 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.879 there was a moment where I felt that pressure just 89 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:52.079 take me down this wormhole where I was just like, 90 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.000 I don't want to do anything, and so I would 91 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.720 be in a studio and I was not created. I 92 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.160 hated it. I hated it, and it took such a 93 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.439 long time for me to finally find my drive again 94 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:08.199 and my purpose, and like towards the middle of making 95 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.000 the project was when I was like, oh shit, this 96 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.480 is really fun again, you know, and yes again. But 97 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:17.160 it was really scary because I think when you're at 98 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.399 kind of top of your career, I think there's multiple 99 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:22.959 top moments in your career, but you know, doing Coachalla 100 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:25.079 was definitely like a top moment for me. When you're 101 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.879 at that peak of your career and like all eyes 102 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:31.040 are on you and you are on these articles and whatever, 103 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.879 you feel a lot of pressure to to top it. 104 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.079 And I think I let the I think the yeah, 105 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.759 but I think I let the pressure kind of almost 106 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.000 bedridden me a little bit, where I was like, I 107 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:46.279 just can't make the music right now because it feels 108 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:46.759 like work. 109 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.199 A I was gonna say, it starts to feel like 110 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:50.800 work and you're being told what to do, and you 111 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:52.480 don't want to be told what to do exactly. 112 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.319 So I'm just I'm so grateful that I found my 113 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.079 stride and I'm like the projects out, I feel like 114 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.199 this weight has been lifted off of me, where I'm 115 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.839 just like I know, the project's good and it's gonna 116 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.160 have its moment, but it's for the fans. It's not 117 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.560 for me anymore. Yeah. Yeah, she's a Scorpio. 118 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:08.759 She doesn't like being totally to do. 119 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:15.519 Yeah it's fine, Yeah, can I You can send me 120 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:19.600 a list and I will think about doing it. But 121 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.879 you know what, those Scorpios are very hard workers, like 122 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:24.600 we're well, I mean. 123 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.959 Wait, jack You're a scorpio. Yeah, yeah, Jackie has four jobs. 124 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:33.160 That's exactly hustle. Like you know, you know, I used 125 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.199 to work at the Kick and Crab. Then I used 126 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.560 to also work on Sunset okay, and then I also 127 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.879 used to work like a customer service for a spin company. 128 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.759 So I was doing like I would be working multiple jobs, 129 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:47.600 and then after I would be done with my like 130 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:49.959 nine to five, I would create content or like make 131 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.240 music or whatever it is. But like we've always been 132 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:54.199 crazy and then grinding. 133 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.319 At one point, you had to make a decision, right, 134 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.839 it's either a life in healthcare or music. Yeah, and 135 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:00.839 you were at that four the road, I guess, and 136 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.360 you went with your gut with two grand in your pocket, and. 137 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.279 You went for I think I just it was really scary, 138 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:09.839 but I think I was at a point in my 139 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:13.399 life where I was like, damn, can I die today 140 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.439 and be happy with like the life that I have, 141 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:19.600 Because like, I love helping people. I've always loved to 142 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.199 help people, and I think that's why I went towards 143 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.240 the healthcare like route, also to make my parents proud, 144 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:28.160 but I've always loved that aspect of healthcare and the 145 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.279 medical fields of just like like you see people come 146 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:33.160 in and they have this concern and then all of 147 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.639 a sudden, like they leave feeling you know, relief or 148 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.959 at least they have like the help they need. Difference, Yeah, 149 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.279 but I always felt like, could I do this for 150 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.839 the rest of my life? And I was making music 151 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.160 at the same time while I was working in the 152 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:50.480 medical fields and I was literally shadowing a physician's assistant. 153 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:52.199 I was doing everything that I needed to do to 154 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.839 get into PA school. Then I missed my PA application 155 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:00.439 date by a day. And at the same time I 156 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:02.839 was also making music though, so I felt like I 157 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.319 was kind of in two different worlds. And I knew 158 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:08.399 my parents were gonna be so mad, Like I knew 159 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:09.639 they were gonna be so mad, but I was like, 160 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:12.600 maybe it's a sign and I didn't think back then 161 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:14.839 it was a sign I really thought my life was 162 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.560 over right or had to start over again, Like the 163 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:21.319 whole application process just takes forever already. Yeah, and uh. 164 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.000 And then when a room opened up in Los Angeles, 165 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:25.720 I was like. 166 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.560 Damn, should I just do it like a room? 167 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:30.079 Like a room, Yeah, like a room had opened up 168 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:37.600 at an engineer's house in La No. I mean, honestly, 169 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.720 I lived my first house that I lived here in 170 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:44.480 La It was like there was like twelve people there 171 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.480 and it was like all guys. I'd wake up, people 172 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.639 would be shooting a music video in the middle of 173 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:53.600 the kitchen, like right away. I wouldn't call it a 174 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:54.879 content house. 175 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:59.080 House. What it wasn't a trap house? 176 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:05.759 Was it is there something can be tweet? It was 177 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.440 definitely Mexican. 178 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:08.559 I think in between. 179 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:19.480 It was it was a refugee home for people with dreams. No, 180 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.240 but I that was that was a hard time in 181 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.320 my life, but it was fun at the same time 182 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.039 because I had just moved here and it was honestly 183 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.360 the best decision I could have ever made for myself 184 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.639 is to quit what I thought I would be doing 185 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:35.440 for the rest of my life and really just like 186 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.039 fully go in on the one thing I've always been 187 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:40.519 passionate about, which has been singing, like ever since I 188 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:42.879 was a child. And but the crazy thing is is 189 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.879 that I would never and this is where I'm like, 190 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.519 if I can do this, ship, anybody can do this. 191 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:53.799 I didn't grow up taking vocal classes, piano classes, arts, 192 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.240 anything like that. I watched all that like I would 193 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.919 be in my room. I would like I would visual 194 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.720 myself and maybe that's the manifestation part of it, is 195 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.320 like I never let that dream die. So when I 196 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.399 graduated from college, I moved back home to the Bay 197 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.039 and I started going with Charlie to this, to the 198 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.840 studio sessions or his studio sessions, and then I made 199 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.159 my first song with him, and I remember like, ooh, 200 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.200 this is where I want to be. So that was 201 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.240 kind of what started it all. But I just knew 202 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.679 that if I just really applied myself fully and gave 203 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.759 it one hundred and twenty percent, I knew it could 204 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:31.480 do something. And I can't even but back then, I 205 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.600 would have never thought I would do Coachella, Like right, 206 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:35.679 you know, you never dream about those things, but you. 207 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.639 Well, they seem so far away. They seemed so far away, Sally, 208 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:43.360 especially being you know, being a young person. 209 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.120 I mean, I'm like a minority in this There's not 210 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.200 a lot of people who look like me. Nor did 211 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.360 I grow up see people who looked like me make 212 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:51.240 R and B pop music. 213 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:55.399 Child of immigrants like you, just everything seemed so far away. Yeah, right. 214 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.039 Is it true that you you were going to tell 215 00:10:58.039 --> 00:10:59.960 your mom that you know, you were building up the 216 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:01.559 courage to tell you mom, you're gonna do music instead 217 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:03.320 of health care. And the first thing she said was 218 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:03.919 you're pregnant. 219 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.519 Yeah, she thought I was pregnant. And I was like, wow, 220 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.600 this feels like this doesn't feel as bad anymore that 221 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.480 I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna move to La. 222 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.320 But she made it easy. 223 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.679 Yeah, but my dad was definitely worried, like he, oh 224 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:19.559 my god. Like he came and visited me in La. 225 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:21.799 We're having dinner. He's quiet. I'm like, I know a 226 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:22.840 lecture is about to come on. 227 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:29.200 You know that that immigrant silence, silence that it's just 228 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.639 a slow build up tools good talking to. It's gonna 229 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.200 take an hour and he's not gonna stop. No, there's 230 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.919 there's no comma, there's no period it's just straight. 231 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:39.960 And I was I was doing my thing, like you know, 232 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.320 we'd get pretty good streams and all that, and like 233 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:47.240 I was financially stable enough where music was kind of 234 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.480 you know, paying some of the rent. But like my 235 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.279 parents did not care. It wasn't until I got on 236 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:56.480 the Bay Area like hometown news this, like they were like, 237 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:04.360 she's famous. They started to be different. They believed you exactly. 238 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:06.559 So that was like something that was tangible for them. 239 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.639 And I think that that was when shit shit changed. 240 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.440 I don't know. My parents really started treating me like 241 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:12.159 the golden child. 242 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:14.039 And I love it. 243 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:15.120 I love it. 244 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:16.639 That's right. 245 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:18.639 My parents are funny. We're always like who's your favorite, 246 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.120 and they're always like everybody's my favorite. 247 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.159 But I know I'm there, you know, yeah exactly, but 248 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.279 I never used to be. I know I am now 249 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:25.600 now we have to work for it. 250 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.000 Like my sister and my brother, my older oldest brother, 251 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:29.440 they just had a kid, like I know, they did 252 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.720 that so that like they can get in front of me. 253 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:34.799 But like you're like, we brought the grandchildren. 254 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.600 Yeah yeah no, but I'm like no, but I'm a singer. 255 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:39.840 I'm an entertainer. 256 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:41.519 Yeah, that puts me at the front of the line 257 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.200 exactly with your parents. 258 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:47.159 Well, yeah, my parents, I think I'm the favorite because 259 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.840 I'm on the radio and I like went for my 260 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.639 I followed my dream and I followed through. 261 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:54.000 It's just because you're on the radio. 262 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:54.840 Yeah, that's probably. 263 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:55.559 Yeah. 264 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:57.759 But I wasn't the favorite, right, I was forgotten about it. 265 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.159 I had to work my way up. My brother, who 266 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:02.879 was shot, was the favorite because he got shot. He's 267 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:05.519 alive to tell the story, but he was always the 268 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:08.480 favorite because he got shot. He got de he got 269 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.960 and it worked a bit. And that's where I'm taking. 270 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.519 My parents on that Disney cruise because crazy, like I'm 271 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.519 over here, like, don't don't give a fuck what your 272 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:21.799 parents say, and follow your dreams. 273 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.480 But at the end of the day, we all I 274 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.600 give a fuck about is what my parents think, right, 275 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.840 I don't care how they get it's crazy. 276 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.200 We just want to make them proud. Yeah, that's it. 277 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:32.159 At the end of the day, we want to make 278 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:33.720 them proud. We want them to look at us like 279 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:34.679 they didn't waste their. 280 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:36.600 Time and they didn't immigrate here for no reason. 281 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.360 We don't want them to regret whatever it took to 282 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:40.720 get here. 283 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.480 Yeah, but for them, they're just like, what can I 284 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:44.000 brag about? 285 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:48.039 You know? How can I brag about you? Something about 286 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.919 that's a fact for real? So the title track wings 287 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.840 you You you finished the album with it right you 288 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.120 close out the album? Is that a song that you've 289 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:58.039 always wanted to write? 290 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:05.320 I think I'm a very vulnerable girly Like, yeah, I've 291 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:08.360 gotten a couple of fights in my life. I definitely 292 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:17.000 am tough, but I don't find anymore. But but I 293 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:22.559 will hold hold it down. Where's my mind? 294 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:23.360 At no? 295 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:26.600 No, no, So I I am a very vulnerable person. 296 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.240 Like I can make bops, but I love making that 297 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:35.600 introspective type music that tells a story about like I 298 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:37.360 kind of just peeling back the layers a little bit. 299 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.919 I still feel like people don't fully know who tweet is, 300 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.639 but it's something that I'm It's like a it's like 301 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.440 a slow play for me. Like I I am a 302 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:50.720 scorpio and I feel like scorpios are very mysterious in nature, 303 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.320 and like I can make friends, I can be friends 304 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.960 with everybody, but like I don't let a lot of 305 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:00.440 people into who I really am. Maybe it's a maybe 306 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.559 it's a trauma thing. Who knows. Maybe it's not even 307 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:03.559 a zodiac. 308 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.960 Thing whatever, but I think that's wrong with us. It's 309 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:07.120 because of trauma, trust me. 310 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.639 Yeah yeah it is, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, So 311 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.240 I think like slowly with every project, I like to 312 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.000 like peel back the layers a little bit and kind 313 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:17.200 of just let people know. Like I'm over here talking 314 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:19.799 about like sex and love and all these things, right, 315 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.759 but like I'm still I'm still a cry baby at heart, 316 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:27.159 Like I still feel a lot, a lot too much. 317 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:31.039 Sometimes I don't want to trauma dump on here, but. 318 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.519 You know it, Yeah, yeah, I think it was captured 319 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.200 in wings, right. I think that vulnerability. 320 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:37.759 I think. 321 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.919 That that maybe that little girl that's still. 322 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:43.679 In there, there's always that inner child, you know, that 323 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.960 like that wants to just kind of have the life 324 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:49.840 that that. 325 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.120 Wants to win. Yeah, yeah, it wants to be taken. 326 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:54.679 I used to hide a lot, you know, as a 327 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.120 as a little girl, I was so shy. I hated 328 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.080 singing in front of people. I would always just sing 329 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.080 in my room. And that's why it's crazy that I'm 330 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.120 here today and like I'm so much more confident than 331 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:09.000 I was when I was eight years old. You know. 332 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.320 Of course but I think I always do it for 333 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.279 her because I wish I had the confidence I had 334 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:17.919 now as a little girl. But that also comes from 335 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:20.879 like the environment you grow up in. 336 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:22.679 Is this why? And I've seen you know this has 337 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.720 been done many times, you know, throughout music history, But 338 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.720 is that why you make it a point to bring 339 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.679 people on stage and sing with you. Absolutely, to me, 340 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.679 it feels as if you don't. I don't know if 341 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.320 it's survivor's guilt, I don't know what it is. But 342 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.120 you want to share that moment. You don't want to 343 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:40.559 be greedy, you don't want you want, you want to, 344 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:42.519 but I'm a sharer. Yeah, you want to share that 345 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:46.120 moment and when you look into that audience, no one 346 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.960 else matters at that moment, yeah than the people watching it. 347 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:51.720 Yeah. And I had that moment in Vancouver with a 348 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.559 little girl named Jocelyn, and it was crazy. It was 349 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:58.320 like near the end of my set, but for whatever reason, 350 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.240 I just kept seeing this little girl in the state 351 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:05.160 or in the crowd singing. And then I look into 352 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:06.599 my manager. I was like, do I have some times? 353 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.720 She's like no, but fuck it whatever, So I was like, okay, cool, 354 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.440 Like I just had this impulsive idea and I go 355 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.920 down there and I'm telling the band like, let's strip 356 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.640 this down and not even knowing if she would really 357 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:20.519 know the lyrics, I just saw this little girl and 358 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.640 I was just like no, it was like something calling, 359 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:26.680 we have to do something. Yeah, So then I start 360 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:28.440 singing and then I hand the mic to her and 361 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:31.759 she knows the lyrics word for word. But on top 362 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.319 of that, she's perfect pitch, sounds like an angel. It 363 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:37.640 was just and the video ended up being like my 364 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.359 most viral video, and it really took girls like me 365 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.119 don't cry like to the next level. But I think 366 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.559 I don't look for those viral moments. But I definitely 367 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.960 every time I do something, I want to leave it 368 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.400 feeling fulfilled, Like I don't want to just do a 369 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.960 show from start to finish and not have any type 370 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.759 of connection with the fans. Like I need to leave 371 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.680 feeling like I gave you, guys, a but you also 372 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.440 gave me a lot to leave with and feel just 373 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:05.920 you know, when you have empty conversations with people, sure, 374 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.279 and then you feel you leave that feeling tired, You're drained. 375 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.200 Yeah, because there was nothing, There was nothing a coya. 376 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.279 So That's why it's like with shows, I always want 377 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.440 to like do the show and actually leave feeling like damn, 378 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:18.599 that really just recharged me. 379 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.359 Yeah, It's like going to someone's house and you bring 380 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.359 a bottle of wine or some fruit or some cookies. 381 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.440 You don't exactly you don't want them to leave empty hand. 382 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.680 Yeah, I want the entire experience for everybody to be 383 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:33.160 so good. And I think that's also maybe again I 384 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.480 fear that like my I don't know, I just have 385 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:39.279 this imposter synstrome sometimes where I'm like, if it all ends, 386 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:41.599 like I want to at least them to know, like 387 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.079 them to have had a good show, you know, yeah, 388 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:46.519 because you never know where you're tired, Like I just 389 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.720 I just want to live everything to the fullest. 390 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.279 So how long have you and Jackie known each other? 391 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:51.599 What is this? 392 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:51.880 Nine? 393 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:52.519 Ten years now? 394 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:52.720 No? 395 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:54.079 Five five? 396 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:56.720 Five years? About to be five years? Yeah, yeah, but 397 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.079 she's probably my most Like she's like one of those 398 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.759 friends that I don't talk to her all the time 399 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:04.279 and we just pick up where we left as the 400 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.680 easiest friendships. And where I'm at right now is like 401 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:07.039