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<v Speaker 1>Javo Caretto Junior and Man, I am so excited. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually kind of shaking it right now, sir. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good Man. Thanks for having me, mav.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you absolutely, man, And I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>say before we start, Man, growing up watching you, you

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<v Speaker 1>were one of those heels.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I hated watching whenever you could win or even when

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<v Speaker 1>you came out. At times, I just it made my

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<v Speaker 1>blood boil. And as I got older, I started to

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate more and more just how well that you could

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<v Speaker 1>generate heat just so quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. It was incredible and I absolutely loved seeing it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how many people tell me that I just

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<v Speaker 2>did this La Comic Con this last weekend, and I

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<v Speaker 2>got it. I got it a hundred times and people

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<v Speaker 2>were like, Man, I used to hate you. Man, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for doing your job, and I go, Man, I

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<v Speaker 2>was a heel. That was my job. My job was

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<v Speaker 2>if you like me, then you know that was doing

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong. Eddie and I used to when we were

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<v Speaker 2>tag team and as little Carreros we first started off.

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<v Speaker 2>We were heels. People forget that, but we were heels

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<v Speaker 2>and people hated us. And you know the office was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how come you guys don't try to win, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>double frock splashes, And we're like, why would we do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would we do something pretty because the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>you do, like, God, those guys suck. But man, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a great move. We asked. That's where the cheat

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<v Speaker 2>to win and light chie steell came or came about

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<v Speaker 2>because we never won as heels. We never won fair

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<v Speaker 2>and square, never with a move. It was always hitting

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<v Speaker 2>with the belt, putting your feet on the ropes, grabbing

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<v Speaker 2>a handful of tights. That's how we were raised. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're heels, you don't do pretty stuff, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we did. We just kind of learned how to cheat

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<v Speaker 2>with style. I guess you could call it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just thinking like, yeah, as heels, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do anything pretty or anything that's that cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe like double chair shots or something real quick

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<v Speaker 1>when the ref isn't looking, something like that can maybe

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<v Speaker 1>be good or it could work because it's a little pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. This is one thing that I see

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<v Speaker 2>with wrestling right now a lot. You know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a super gray area with wrestling, for sure, but everything

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<v Speaker 2>is so planned out and so choreographed that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>double chair shots at the same time. I mean, unless

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<v Speaker 2>it was Edgie Christian that they set somebody up and

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<v Speaker 2>did the concertos man on the fly like that. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in one hundred bar fights. I number once

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<v Speaker 2>was like coordinating a double chair shot with somebody else,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So we just needed one, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw a just the other day. I just

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<v Speaker 2>saw somebody sent it to me and I forgot all

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But it was me and Eddie against Rakishi

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<v Speaker 2>and Mark Henry. So I mean, on paper, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way we can win, but of course we cheated to

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<v Speaker 2>win at the very end. You know, Mark Henry had

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie in a press lamb. I came in, Uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>ref was doing something with Wakishi. I came in with

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<v Speaker 2>a chair and nailed Mark in the back of the

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<v Speaker 2>of the of the thigh or the sh or the

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<v Speaker 2>the calf. He went down. Eddie fell on top and

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<v Speaker 2>covered him and was all right. I think he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he put he made Mark submit because he

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<v Speaker 2>put him like the in Eddie's lasso from Olpasso. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we got a lot of heat from that

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<v Speaker 2>because we're like, there's no way these two small little

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<v Speaker 2>dudes are supposed to be these two giants. But we did.

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<v Speaker 2>We cheated, and we would we did.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the fun part about being the heel.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find ways to cheat and you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes with the character and that's what makes it

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<v Speaker 1>so much more fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what after like, and it was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the time, but you know, the nWo and

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<v Speaker 2>d X were called was you know, the cool heels,

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<v Speaker 2>and it kind of changed the game a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, you cheered him and then they became

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<v Speaker 2>baby faces and man, we did not want to be

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<v Speaker 2>cheered at all period over that we didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be cheered. And when we did those vignettes from one

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<v Speaker 2>week to the next, when they aired, we went from

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<v Speaker 2>being the biggest heels on the on the card too.

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<v Speaker 2>We came out and they cheered us and as we

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<v Speaker 2>were walking up me and they looked at each other

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<v Speaker 2>like we're, oh, man, we're we're good guys, like that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't our, That wasn't our. And we even went to

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<v Speaker 2>triple ahs, like, man, what happened? He goes you guys

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<v Speaker 2>became too entertaining, and it was good. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>good switch, for sure, But that wasn't We didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>that to be baby faces. We didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>baby faces.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Not, of course, not one question I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you tonight, and I think this is a fair

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<v Speaker 1>one to start off with. So how did you learn

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't mind asking me asking who taught

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<v Speaker 1>you how to generate so much heat? How did you

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>That is literally in our DNA and we just grew

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<v Speaker 2>up doing that. Or we used to watch my dad

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<v Speaker 2>and his brothers, so Eddie's brothers, you know, be in

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico or be in Japan and fight their way back

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<v Speaker 2>to the ring or Puerto Rico fight their way back

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<v Speaker 2>to the ring and having to crawl out the dressing

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<v Speaker 2>room window to get out of there because people want

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<v Speaker 2>to kill him. And you know, as a kid, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, wow, this is pretty this was awesome. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it was, I mean, it was scared. But as we

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<v Speaker 2>got away and they were all like, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>toasting beers for like, man, that was awesome. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>we grew up. We wanted to fight our way back

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<v Speaker 2>to the locker room every single night, like against fans

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<v Speaker 2>and anybody came in. That's that was our goal. So

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<v Speaker 2>we just learned how to dreangenerate heat like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's very easy. In fact, I did it

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<v Speaker 2>again not too long ago when I did like a

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<v Speaker 2>private signing and people were asking questions about Rave stereo

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<v Speaker 2>and dominic and stuff, you know, as I'm doing the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the online signer or the the I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's virtual signing. And I had said something like

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<v Speaker 2>something like, all right, Ray, enough with using the Guerrero stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We get it good though, we don't need your help.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody kind of you know, came back on that. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know people were really watching that, and they

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<v Speaker 2>came back. We're like, oh, Javo, you know, blah blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah this and that, and I'm like, that's that's not heat.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, you want to see heat, just watch? And

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<v Speaker 2>I called up Ray and I go, Ray, don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>anything you got to hear. I'm gonna tweet some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>out right now. It's got nothing to do with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, man. He's like, all right, cool, no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did it. And talked about how he's robbing

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<v Speaker 2>the Guerrero's and and he should be given that money

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<v Speaker 2>to uh to eighties kids and all this different stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I did one or two tweets. People

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<v Speaker 2>were in an uproar. They went crazy, and literally after

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<v Speaker 2>after I let it go for about a day and

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<v Speaker 2>I literally said, Okay, guys, uh I, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>thing different than I did in two thousand and five

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<v Speaker 2>when I turned on Ray. There's nothing different whatsoever. I

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<v Speaker 2>got you again, I go, that's how easy it is

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<v Speaker 2>for us to generate heat like that and get people

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<v Speaker 2>believe in it because it's rooted in truth. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be if I was really a jerk, I could absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>talk like that and be like, you know, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are making money off the girl name. It's all the work,

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<v Speaker 2>and people don't like Like, I don't know, said once,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just something we learned doing and we grew up

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<v Speaker 2>doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you have such a grip on people, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is incredible. Honestly, I've always really admired just how well

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<v Speaker 1>you can control the crowd with that, just so easily.

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<v Speaker 3>So uh with that?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say that your family and seeing how they

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<v Speaker 1>performed as heels was some of your greatest inspiration growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, they knew how to be heels man. The original

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<v Speaker 2>Los Guerreros were my dad and miuncle Hector as the

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<v Speaker 2>Alomo Buster as they were called, and they were the

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<v Speaker 2>heels bad and not big time like they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they people hated them. You know, they were feuding with

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<v Speaker 2>the Rock and Roll Express and Windom and Rotundo and

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<v Speaker 2>and uh Florida. And I watched it firsthand and it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was awesome just to see those guys be

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<v Speaker 2>masters of their craft.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, I also do want to ask you around

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<v Speaker 1>what age did you start training, because being in a

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<v Speaker 1>family like that, I imagine it may have been relatively young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was no age that I started training. And

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<v Speaker 2>we grew up with the rusting ring in our backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>So I heard Miley Cyrus talk about it one time.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, how did you know? When did you

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<v Speaker 2>know you wanted to be a country singers? Just like

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<v Speaker 2>when did I not want to be the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with us? There was no time like, okay, now are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to start getting in the ring. No, we

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<v Speaker 2>always sit in the ring like that was our that

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<v Speaker 2>was our swing set. We didn't have a swing set.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a ring and you know we used to

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<v Speaker 2>playing it and Eddie and I broke both learned to

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<v Speaker 2>walk in a rustling ring. We we said Campa underneath it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was like our tent, you know. So there

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<v Speaker 2>was no time that I was like, okay, let me

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<v Speaker 2>start training for wrestling. You know, when I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>go pro. Now I did Paul show up and start

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<v Speaker 2>working with some of my uncles and my dad and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on. You know, I could always do the moves,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't know why I was doing the moves,

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<v Speaker 2>so really worked more on psychology and that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was not a time that I just could

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<v Speaker 2>always wrestle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>You grew up doing the whole thing and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just in your blood at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>That was That's the way we fed our family for

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<v Speaker 2>the last eighty five years is through wrestling. So way

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<v Speaker 2>before it was you know popular and people were making

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<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars, No, it was they were just we

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<v Speaker 2>were just putting food on the table and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>pay a mortgage, you know, through wrestling, and that's before

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<v Speaker 2>they were big and popular and worldwide. That was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up doing that. So that's why that respect

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<v Speaker 2>and just that I guess knowledge rustling knowledge is just there.

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<v Speaker 2>You just don't know where it came from. It's just there.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So would you say that your character is more just

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<v Speaker 1>a uh how do I put this? Just a larger

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<v Speaker 1>than life version of yourself that you've kind of created

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<v Speaker 1>and put in the ring that has been almost evolved

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<v Speaker 1>through your family and just how you guys have done

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<v Speaker 2>My rusting character is for sure, it's it's the the

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<v Speaker 2>my alter ego just just turned way up. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's who I who I can be. How don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be that guy? But you know, my friend, my

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<v Speaker 2>friends sometimes will call me the Mulk, the Mexican Hulk,

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<v Speaker 2>because we'll be, you know, somewhere and someone messes with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's always that one. There's always the one guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody's messes with my wife or or one of my friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and before you know it, I grew to six '

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<v Speaker 2>four real fast, and they're like, man, this this guy's

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's a jerk. I'm like, well, what do you expect? Bro?

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes people pull it out of you it is

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, not that you want to be, it's

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>My uncle wanted me to ask you because he's a

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<v Speaker 1>huge fan as well. But uh, something that he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you about. Uh, it's actually because of a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He had claimed that he had seen the movie Airplane

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<v Speaker 1>two and uh, there's a scene where they run out

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee on the plane. He has claimed that you

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<v Speaker 1>see a couple of wrestlers all of a sudden are

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<v Speaker 1>in the alley or the isisleway and they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Like duking it out for a second. He says.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them looks like almost a young version of Eddie,

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<v Speaker 1>but Eddie would have been too young at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know if that's maybe one of your uncles

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of my my uncle Hector, you know, my uncle Hector

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<v Speaker 2>mancal monda my father all you know, because we were

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<v Speaker 2>in the LA area always, you know, dabbled in movies,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So my my father was in the One

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<v Speaker 2>and Only with the Henry Winkler, among other things. My

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<v Speaker 2>uncle Hector was in one of the Bad News Bears

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<v Speaker 2>movies that he doubled, you know, the main actor Michael Mondo,

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<v Speaker 2>after he kind of retired from Russell became a stuntman,

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<v Speaker 2>was a stuntman for you know, twenty years in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>So it absolutely could have been. I just I just

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<v Speaker 2>they've been They've done a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's that's totally fair. So another friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>his name's Kanan Rule, used to serve with him over

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<v Speaker 1>here in the UK, a really good friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually asked him if he had any questions for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of his was what I thought might have

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<v Speaker 1>been a very good one. He asked, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation like between you and your family when you were

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready to make your debut, when you were going

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<v Speaker 1>pro what was that conversation like?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you even know that there was a conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, I think it was just like all right,

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<v Speaker 2>just stepping there is I mean, it just was a progression.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't ever like a conversation to sit down. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it was I wish there was a sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>they could have told me what to watch out or

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<v Speaker 2>what to look out for, but we didn't. We just

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<v Speaker 2>just gotten in it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair, Actually makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Considering just how in depth you already were with the

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<v Speaker 1>whole business at that point.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was practically your life up to that point.

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<v Speaker 2>That's there was. It wasn't like they pushed rustling on us.

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<v Speaker 2>We just that was rustling. We ate, breathed, slept, dreamed, wrestling.

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<v Speaker 2>It was there at all times. You know. I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to distance my kids from it, just because it can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It can consume, you know for sure. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, we all worked at the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we all knew. We always set up brings as kids,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for my grandfather's promotion and sell tickets to

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<v Speaker 2>sweep up and sell popcorn and all that stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>So it was just our family business growing up. So

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<v Speaker 2>you just went to the business.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes sense, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So another question from my buddy over there, So how

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<v Speaker 1>did it feel to debut Raymistereo when it was that time?

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<v Speaker 1>How did it feel to work with him on his debut?

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<v Speaker 2>I had, I had would work with him a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch in w CW. So wasn't like it was different

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<v Speaker 2>than Anthony new Ask him what it was like working

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<v Speaker 2>with me? I would I had already been in in WWE.

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<v Speaker 2>So he came in fresh, nervous as hell, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had to calm him down, like relaxed, dude, you've done this.

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<v Speaker 2>And we came out and tore the house down.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like coming out with another old friend and

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<v Speaker 1>just being like, Okay, hey, it's just another day at

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<v Speaker 1>the office, different company, no different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know totally, you know, because you remember we

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<v Speaker 2>all came from w CW and it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen of us that had come over, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't Vince's favorites, you know, because of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we came from a rival promotion that he was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to squash and he did. And if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody sees that invasion angle, it was kind of blah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everything's oh, I could have been so much better.

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<v Speaker 2>It was what it was. You know, who knows. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you get locks in the shuffle a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit because now you're throwing to the mix with all

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<v Speaker 2>ww guys and you got to you got to earn

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<v Speaker 2>a spot again. I came from a good little spot

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<v Speaker 2>in WCW. But you start, no when he once WWF

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, it was so you know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>some matches but it's not like you know, your big

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<v Speaker 2>show where you're sitting for four or five hundred pounds

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<v Speaker 2>and they're going to put the strap on you. So

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<v Speaker 2>that match with Ray, I'd already been there for I

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<v Speaker 2>guess maybe two years, maybe a year and a half

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<v Speaker 2>when he came in. That was my chance to showcase

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<v Speaker 2>myself as well. So after that, not only did he

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<v Speaker 2>get a good little push, I did as well. People

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<v Speaker 2>started using me and going, Wow, we didn't know child

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<v Speaker 2>could do that. I'm like, well, you just didn't give

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<v Speaker 2>him a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I just watched the match, probably an hour

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<v Speaker 1>or two before we even hopped on here, just to

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<v Speaker 1>refresh myself a little bit with some of your work,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, looking at all I could think was this

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<v Speaker 1>is a very technically good match. Uh, Chavo, you do

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<v Speaker 1>very well on the mic all the time. I still

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<v Speaker 1>remember seeing you and just thinking, God, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to punch him in the face. He just every time

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<v Speaker 1>that he gets on there exactly and it's like your

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<v Speaker 1>heel work just does so well. And then seeing later

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<v Speaker 1>on when you you know it was a work, but

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<v Speaker 1>you injured Ray mystereo for a little bit with the

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<v Speaker 1>I quit match and everything, and seeing your mic work

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<v Speaker 1>when you put the mask on, pretending to be him

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<v Speaker 1>and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>All I was thinking, this man, this guy's just so

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<v Speaker 3>good at his job.

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<v Speaker 1>I still kind of hate him a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's just doing it so right ady.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember working with that when we did the mask

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<v Speaker 2>on and I worked Eugene Nick, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing all the raised moves and the funny the

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<v Speaker 2>story was at the end, you know, I was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be the six nine and not landed and then

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<v Speaker 2>take the mask off and you know whatever. So I was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at the ring before and I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>rehearse too much because it's just just hurts. It hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I kind of maybe can make some ideas

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<v Speaker 2>in the ring, but I would never rehearse. So Vince

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<v Speaker 2>is like, so you're gonna miss the six nine ers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, well let me see it. I said, like

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<v Speaker 2>right now, there's nobody in the arena. It's like me,

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<v Speaker 2>like for the people at the ring. He's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really hard to do all that, like and crash

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<v Speaker 2>and burn like that when it's you know, the red

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<v Speaker 2>light camera's not on. You know, red light's not on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, okay, so I had a totally just

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<v Speaker 2>cold and not even ring gear, you know, and just

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<v Speaker 2>crash and burn, you know, try to do six or

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<v Speaker 2>nine and totally eat it. And this was like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was great. So I ended up doing that in

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<v Speaker 2>the ring and you know, beating the heck out of

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Eugene doing all the raised moves but then not

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<v Speaker 2>making you know, missing that that you know that six

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<v Speaker 2>or nine on purpose of course, and then taking the

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<v Speaker 2>mask up and come in in and just stalking Nick

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<v Speaker 2>and then having him make the comeback right there. People

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<v Speaker 2>went nuts. People were going crazy like oh shit, old

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know I beat him at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I really was kind of eating them

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<v Speaker 2>up before everything was moving was mine in the ring,

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<v Speaker 2>except for once once I took that mask off. Then

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, man, who's makers comeback? Was pretty cool?

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually did get to see that match, him making

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<v Speaker 1>the comeback and then seeing him hit the three amigos

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<v Speaker 1>on you. For a second, all I was thinking was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's mad.

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<v Speaker 3>Disrespectful, but it works in this story right now. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Match to watch, and I haven't really seen much of Eugene,

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<v Speaker 1>not really somebody that I really saw too much of.

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<v Speaker 1>But honestly, it wasn't a bad match, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to say if you carried it, he carried it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a very good effort by both members,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can appreciate a match like that no matter

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<v Speaker 1>who's in the ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Just the way that performance went.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great. Nick Nick Nismore was great to work with.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so easy. You know, he'd been around and read

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<v Speaker 2>the VW and stuff for a while, so by the

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<v Speaker 2>time we did that match, he was you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was great. It was easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Workless absolutely, so I also do want to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about us, So how was I guess, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest difference between the w CW locker room and the

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<v Speaker 1>w W lock room If there was really a difference

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<v Speaker 1>with how things went or do you think it was

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<v Speaker 1>just the same or do you think there's anything different?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was wrestling was wrestling, of course, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a little different, just because you know, w c W,

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<v Speaker 2>the wrestlers had a lot of power because of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact just the way that it was set up. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't really have one true boss. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>boss was Ted Turner and then aol and then Time Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Eric sure was the boss, but he still

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<v Speaker 2>had an answer to people. He wasn't the end all

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<v Speaker 2>be all, you know. So when we get to w

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<v Speaker 2>W E or w B at the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was Vince. Vince said, this has happened is happening.

423
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<v Speaker 2>So that was pretty cool and you kind of see

424
00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:49.720
<v Speaker 2>how a wrestling company should be run, you know in

425
00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:55.200
<v Speaker 2>a sense. But you know there they were both they

426
00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.440
<v Speaker 2>both were great, and they both were they both sucked.

427
00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.000
<v Speaker 2>It depends the time it was and and when when

428
00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:03.759
<v Speaker 2>I first started WCW, it was amazing. At the end,

429
00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:05.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, when all the different people changed, the owners

430
00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, you could see the product was diminishing. It

431
00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:10.519
<v Speaker 2>wasn't as cool as it was. And the kind of

432
00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the same with w B. When we were there all

433
00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.079
<v Speaker 2>the way from you know, two thousand to about two

434
00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:19.599
<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven or eight before they got really corporate,

435
00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:23.799
<v Speaker 2>it was awesome. Man, I loved working there. Then at

436
00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.519
<v Speaker 2>the very kind of the end was it wasn't as

437
00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.799
<v Speaker 2>it just people are just worried about other things than

438
00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.759
<v Speaker 2>the wrestlers. It just got such big business, you know,

439
00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of cool to see it kind of

440
00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.920
<v Speaker 2>revert back to really caring, you know, you see the product.

441
00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:41.960
<v Speaker 2>It's really coming up. You know.

442
00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.559
<v Speaker 3>The Triple EH era absolutely.

443
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<v Speaker 1>I think with the corporate era that you're kind of

444
00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:49.839
<v Speaker 1>talking about, you know, the PG era, it did kind

445
00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:52.200
<v Speaker 1>of stunt some things, and I know the changes can

446
00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:54.880
<v Speaker 1>be definitely a little bit annoying. But I also do

447
00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:57.640
<v Speaker 1>want to ask, so, throughout your career and throughout the

448
00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:59.759
<v Speaker 1>different companies that you work for, how much control have

449
00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:02.440
<v Speaker 1>you had over your character and what you were going

450
00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to be doing.

451
00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:08.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't you can suggest. So one thing

452
00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you learned is that you know, those writers they're writing

453
00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:16.440
<v Speaker 2>for in w W, the writing for Sena Batista, you know,

454
00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.880
<v Speaker 2>d X, they weren't really writing for us because you know,

455
00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:24.480
<v Speaker 2>we weren't the main card guys. You know, so you

456
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:26.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of you had to sometimes take what they gave

457
00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:29.480
<v Speaker 2>you and make it work, you know, all the Kurban

458
00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:32.200
<v Speaker 2>White era or whatever. You know, you just kind of

459
00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:36.839
<v Speaker 2>had a you took you know, chicken and made chicken

460
00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:41.720
<v Speaker 2>salad out of it. You know. So a lot of times, though,

461
00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:43.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, whenever I really started doing stuff like the

462
00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:47.359
<v Speaker 2>stuff that when we did the whole lightsheet steel stuff,

463
00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.160
<v Speaker 2>that was me and Eddie. We went to Vince and

464
00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.680
<v Speaker 2>pitched it. He liked it. You know, when I worked

465
00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:55.240
<v Speaker 2>with Ray turning on Ray, that was me pitching it

466
00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:58.559
<v Speaker 2>to write to Vince. You know, when me seeing punks

467
00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.960
<v Speaker 2>started working, it was right to me, and Kine started working,

468
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>it was right to Vince. So it wasn't like they

469
00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:08.279
<v Speaker 2>had this idea for you. We had the idea and

470
00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:11.480
<v Speaker 2>we sold it to the boss. That's how it worked.

471
00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:12.759
<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

472
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:17.119
<v Speaker 1>So when you won your cruiserweight championships throughout a w

473
00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:20.279
<v Speaker 1>CW now watching it through I'll be honest. I saw

474
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:23.319
<v Speaker 1>a short documentary about you on YouTube about this, but uh,

475
00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:25.240
<v Speaker 1>did you feel like that was someone of your first

476
00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:28.759
<v Speaker 1>steps into becoming like a major player and being recognized

477
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:30.039
<v Speaker 1>or how did you feel about it?

478
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? You know, you go into a by talent rich

479
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.680
<v Speaker 2>cruiserweight division. Though you know by the time I came in,

480
00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.119
<v Speaker 2>man she's the it wasn't just eighty you know de

481
00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Maliko ben Wat anymore. It was you know, Jericho, it

482
00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:51.480
<v Speaker 2>was Mysterio, was all of the the Mexican boys from Mexico,

483
00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:54.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, Kid min Man it was a it was

484
00:22:54.119 --> 00:23:02.119
<v Speaker 2>a really deep cruiserweight division. So getting to be you know,

485
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 2>become the guy the champ there and the cruizwie champ.

486
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.759
<v Speaker 2>That was really cool. I was like my first step

487
00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:09.720
<v Speaker 2>to it. But then getting w W had to start

488
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:13.799
<v Speaker 2>over again, and I did, you know eventually see he's

489
00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:17.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of you. I can see you flounder a little

490
00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:19.880
<v Speaker 2>bit because you're trying to find your spot, you know,

491
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and that year you and half seen like a long time.

492
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes you got to start over and you got

493
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:27.319
<v Speaker 1>to really prove yourself.

494
00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:27.799
<v Speaker 3>It takes time.

495
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Though it was fine, which was cool. I was cool

496
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:30.640
<v Speaker 2>with it, no big deal of it.

497
00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

498
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So I do want to ask you about the Kerwin

499
00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:35.759
<v Speaker 1>White gimmick a little bit.

500
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:37.720
<v Speaker 3>Uh. I just want to ask so, whose.

501
00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Idea was it and how did you feel about it

502
00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning to end, because I felt like it

503
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.680
<v Speaker 1>was entertaining, but it was a little off at times,

504
00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:45.839
<v Speaker 1>and I felt like, you know what, you were doing

505
00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.200
<v Speaker 1>your job regardless no matter what, and you really did

506
00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:49.920
<v Speaker 1>put on a show with it.

507
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.799
<v Speaker 2>It was Vince. Vince came to me. I came walk

508
00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:54.680
<v Speaker 2>off and playing from Japan and he goes, hello, Kerwin

509
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:59.119
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, okay, what does that mean today?

510
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>You're going to do no your Hispanic heritage and you're

511
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:07.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna become a white guy. And I'm like, you know,

512
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:09.319
<v Speaker 2>you got two options. You say no and go well

513
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the Vince, the boss thought or something for you, and

514
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:15.839
<v Speaker 2>you turn it down. That could be the because of

515
00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.000
<v Speaker 2>death right there could be your termination right there. Or

516
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:21.279
<v Speaker 2>you can take what he's given you and try to

517
00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:22.759
<v Speaker 2>do it the best you can. And that's kind of

518
00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:25.680
<v Speaker 2>what I did. In fact, you know, I told Vince.

519
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was a different time. Of course, it

520
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 2>was very racist gimmick. You know. I was trying to

521
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:35.200
<v Speaker 2>piss everybody off. I was pissing off my Hispanic culture

522
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:38.799
<v Speaker 2>by denouncing them, and then I was becoming a Caucasian

523
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>guy and making fun of them too. I was dressing

524
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:44.680
<v Speaker 2>very you know, over the top and golf and just

525
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.720
<v Speaker 2>like you know, you know we don't dress like that,

526
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, you do. You know. I was just kind

527
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.559
<v Speaker 2>of trying to piss everybody off. So I told Vince,

528
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I had a meeting with him. I said, look, man,

529
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:56.480
<v Speaker 2>if we're gonna do this, to do right, I want

530
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.599
<v Speaker 2>to I want to end up like in a white sheet,

531
00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, oh, oh wow, great. I said absolutely,

532
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I go, you don't have to do it, you know,

533
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.119
<v Speaker 2>like you said, k kk, I go. We could do

534
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.079
<v Speaker 2>something to where, you know, I'm pretending to get in

535
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 2>my Halloween costume getting ready, you know, and I'm a

536
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>ghost but it's got a hood. And he was like,

537
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 2>well that's great. Anything like that he'd like. He he

538
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>loved that stuff, so you know, of course, I think

539
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>what happened was that the gimmick got a little two

540
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>racist for for the PG era, I was working all

541
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>like minority guys, you know, like shelling Benjamin into Jerry

542
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. You know, so you know, it

543
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>it ran its course. And then when Eddie passed the

544
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:49.480
<v Speaker 2>next day, I was Cholblborough game. So that's how that ended.

545
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's unfortunate what happened with Eddie, and I didn't

546
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.279
<v Speaker 1>want to make this whole episode about him, but obviously

547
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>his story and your story do overlap some so it's

548
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 1>definitely gonna be mentioned. But I did want to focus

549
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:04.519
<v Speaker 1>on your career. This is your show, man, but you know,

550
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Eddie is obviously a big part of your show as well,

551
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 1>so it makes perfect sense to you know, bring him

552
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>up all the time because it's part.

553
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:16.799
<v Speaker 3>Of you, man. But uh yeah, so let me see.

554
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>So when you eventually went to Luca Underground, how did

555
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.799
<v Speaker 1>you feel about the creative processes there as well as

556
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 1>the constant vignettes and almost the movie quality stuff that

557
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:29.519
<v Speaker 1>was going on there all the time.

558
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Luchs my baby man. I was supervisor producer on the show,

559
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.799
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I went from w W then I

560
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:40.640
<v Speaker 2>had a little short stand TEENA and then kind of

561
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>stepped away from rustling for a second. Then got the

562
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:49.000
<v Speaker 2>call from luc Underground and I'm like, well, you know,

563
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>their explained to me. I'm like, okay, it's a TV show,

564
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Mark Burnett's producer, and okay, well who's running it. I'm like,

565
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.720
<v Speaker 2>who's your rusting guys? You know, I'm like, oh, well

566
00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:59.640
<v Speaker 2>go you I know it's a TV show. We're still

567
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna have thing. So that's when we came brought me

568
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>on as a producer, and I learned really quick. Uh.

569
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess the knowledge that I didn't know I had

570
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>for wrestling because I was you know, talking everybody. I

571
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>was you know, helping with set, design, wardrobe, uh, you know, creative.

572
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I was the only when we first started the first season,

573
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I was the only agent, So there's times when I

574
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 2>was wrestling, I was getting I was stretching with in

575
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>the gorilla position with my headset and call in the

576
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.880
<v Speaker 2>match to the you know, the director and as I'm stretching,

577
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>uh literally literally get run to the to the ring,

578
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 2>get my match on and come the back and all

579
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:51.440
<v Speaker 2>sweating and pick up the system finished. So that was quick,

580
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 2>like like how much you know? It was pretty awesome. Man.

581
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I loved I loved the vignettes. I think what happened

582
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:02.200
<v Speaker 2>was we were still filming the first season when the

583
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 2>first episode aired, so as I didn't really know to expect.

584
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>As I saw that first episode with all the cinematography

585
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:16.599
<v Speaker 2>and the cinematic aspect of that show, usually it's production

586
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to keep up with the wrestlers. Man, it was

587
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the rustlers we I took. I pulled the Russels sides

588
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.559
<v Speaker 2>and guys, did you see that first episode. They're like, yeah,

589
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 2>I go, we need a step up a game, and that's,

590
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of what happened. We you know, I go,

591
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.359
<v Speaker 2>this is something that is something we did not expect.

592
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.279
<v Speaker 2>But it was really cool and it was very flattering

593
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>to see people like TNA and and ww steal from us,

594
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:46.839
<v Speaker 2>steal the ideas, the cinematic aspect of the show, the

595
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 2>way we filmed vignettes, different things, and it was like, oh,

596
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's you know, it's it's flattering to see that

597
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>they actually stole it.

598
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>And it was a a little bit different from WWE

599
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and TNA at the time because it had more theatrical approach,

600
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I would say, to wrestling at that point, and it

601
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>was just so different that it gave a nice alternative

602
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 1>that was almost I don't want to completely compare it

603
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to ECW in the nineties, but it was, you know,

604
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>just that alternative route where it's like, you know what,

605
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting tired of seeing the top two being WCWWWE

606
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>at the time. You know, there's this alternative. It was

607
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>something that was worth it, I thought. And I can

608
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 1>greatly appreciate uh Luke Underground and everything that went on there.

609
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>And I still remember, I believe it was the first

610
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>episode you turn heel. Immediately at the end of the show,

611
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>it was just like there it is again.

612
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I toltally. I mean, well we went from so

613
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 2>I worked, you know, Blue dem at the end of

614
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.759
<v Speaker 2>the show was with the show the Bats a little lackluster,

615
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 2>and right away we turned the heel started chair shotting

616
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 2>everybody and it was like, oh, there I am, there

617
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:54.640
<v Speaker 2>is and they let me wrong with it for a while.

618
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 2>It was pretty cool.

619
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

620
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I mean, you've always been a great heel, why

621
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>not let you continue it. I didn't know that you

622
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>were that heavily involved with Looch Underground.

623
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, big time man. That was That was That

624
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.559
<v Speaker 2>was awesome. That kind of got me started into Hollywood,

625
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 2>to be honest. It got me started from you know,

626
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>from the next thing I did from there was a

627
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>show called Grim that was like on NBC where they

628
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>had called me to play a character but to also

629
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>choreograph the wrestling in it. So I'm like, I think

630
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<v Speaker 2>I can do this, So I did it. You know,

631
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<v Speaker 2>I go, I, well, I do it for wrestling all

632
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 2>the time, but I just don't know if if it's

633
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:34.839
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. And sure enough I was able to

634
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>do that, and then I went to Glow and that

635
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<v Speaker 2>just started my my Hollywood career.

636
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.839
<v Speaker 1>It's fair and it's funny that you mentioned that, just

637
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.279
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think a lot of people understand how

638
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>often that wrestling.

639
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Uh God, how do I put this?

640
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Wrestling theatrics are used in Hollywood today. A lot of

641
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>people don't realize it, especially people who will say things like, oh,

642
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>we really watch that stuff.

643
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:58.000
<v Speaker 3>It's all fake.

644
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 1>It's like, what's the difference realistically.

645
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>So the car crash that you know that Tom Cruise

646
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 2>just did or Fast and Furisted did, well, they rehearsed

647
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>it for a week. That make it fake. I mean,

648
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>it's still a car crash even though they know exactly

649
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. So it's like pro wrestling, we're still

650
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.319
<v Speaker 2>falling eight feet through tables, through the ground. I mean,

651
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>whether they're rehearsed it or not, it's it's still the

652
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>car crash. So it's people that don't get it. They

653
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of don't know what they're talking about. In a sense,

654
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>they don't have to like wrestling, just like you don't

655
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 2>have to like the Fast and Fears movies. But at

656
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the same time, you can't deny that what we do

657
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>is this live stunt show that there's no retakes, that

658
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:43.519
<v Speaker 2>we just do.

659
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>It exactly, and I mean even showing a friend of mine,

660
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it was last night, because he's not really

661
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>a wrestling fan. But he'll go along and he'll watch whatever,

662
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 1>just for the heck of it. I had showed him

663
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:55.839
<v Speaker 1>the match where an undertaker threw mcfoley off the hell

664
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>in the cell and immediately he's like, well, how can

665
00:31:58.960 --> 00:31:59.599
<v Speaker 1>they really fake that?

666
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what do you mean fake it? He just fell?

667
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Well that's the thing people don't. They can't grasp that

668
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.920
<v Speaker 2>that those stunts and those actual falls, like we really

669
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.039
<v Speaker 2>did it. I remember my one of my friend's wives,

670
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was hit by with a chair somewhere.

671
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 2>She said, oh that, yeah, that must be a rubber

672
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 2>share And I said, do you know how much it

673
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 2>costs to engineer a rubber share? I said, So in

674
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Young Rock we had you know, our our actors doing

675
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 2>this ladder match. Well, we're trying to protect him as

676
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 2>much as we can, so we ordered a ladder that

677
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 2>was the kind of rubber ladder, you know, even though

678
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>they had time on it, so it was like this

679
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>hard rubber ladder. They had us, you know, paint it

680
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.839
<v Speaker 2>and make it look like a real ladder. It was

681
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand dollars for one ladder, one ladder that we

682
00:32:55.200 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't even really use. So I'm like, where do you

683
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 2>think you just get this rubber ladder ap. I mean

684
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>it's rubber share ap and a rubber chair is going

685
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>to hurt a lot more than his tiel chair. It's

686
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 2>hard rubber, I said, you still gotta be able to

687
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>sit on it. You gotta bas It can't just fall apart.

688
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>It's not like it's bulso. Would you know you can

689
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 2>tell when you get him a chair and explodes like

690
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>in a movie, Well, then it's just nuts. That's a

691
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 2>bulso wood chair. I'm like, these aren't. Those are real

692
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 2>ladders that are following it, and her she almost couldn't

693
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 2>believe it, like, but but that hurts. I'm like, hello, yes,

694
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>it hurts. You were right, and she was like, how

695
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 2>do you do that? She couldn't believe she thought it.

696
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>This can't be real. It's real.

697
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

698
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Scripted doesn't necessarily mean fake.

699
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 3>And that's what some people don't really.

700
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Understand exactly exactly. I remember walking through the airport one

701
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>time and somebody recognized me and he was like, javas

702
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>up and his friend's like, who's that and he goes

703
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>all the child girl's carusser and the guy literally like

704
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.079
<v Speaker 2>in front of me to my faces. I don't watch

705
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 2>that fake s h I t. And I was like, uh,

706
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>you want to see how real I am? And he

707
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 2>looked at me and I said keep talking, I'll show

708
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you how real I am. And he was like uh

709
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 2>uh And I go, oh, not that fake, is it? Yeah?

710
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 2>And I was kind of like just like, don't be

711
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.639
<v Speaker 2>a dummy man, and he was literally his friend was like, yeah,

712
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>that's right job. Will you tell him? Bro? Like, that's

713
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:34.760
<v Speaker 2>like you can't just insult somebody's job right there, you know.

714
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like talking to like, oh, you're you're

715
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a you're a police officer, or you're stealing your or

716
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 2>whatever whatever. Just demean him. He's still a police officer.

717
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>That could, you know, mess you up.

718
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:48.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

719
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 3>I hear that definitely.

720
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, another friend wanted me to ask you about

721
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 1>if you still have the God's Gift belt by chance?

722
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:00.079
<v Speaker 2>The oh the God the Gift from the God.

723
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Spelt yes, yes, that one.

724
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I do not have that one. That one was definitely

725
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.960
<v Speaker 2>a prop that was the show's belt that they kept everything.

726
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't we have no idea where it's at, but

727
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:13.079
<v Speaker 2>they kept it all.

728
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 3>Somewhere, okay man.

729
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>That it was such a cool looking one too.

730
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, it had.

731
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Some cool belts. That was cool because the medallions would

732
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 2>go on. You know, you haven't win a tournament with

733
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 2>the medallions on. It was pretty cool. It's very you know,

734
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Lichitt Girls, very had some very supernatural elements to it,

735
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.519
<v Speaker 2>where we had a guy that was a dragon that

736
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 2>would fly off. We had a guy that was aerostar

737
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 2>that was you know, inter dimensional, being a traveler. You know,

738
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>so we we kind of could do that because it

739
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.039
<v Speaker 2>was such a like a TV show and not a

740
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 2>reality wrestling show. You know, how does that lie in

741
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>in w W E or maybe well, aw a little bit.

742
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 2>You have the the Lucosaurus kind of doing some stuff,

743
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>but you know, we all nobody knows things. He's a dinosaur,

744
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 2>you know.

745
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 1>We suspend belief to a certain extent, but not too

746
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 1>too much, right right, all right? So I do also

747
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.719
<v Speaker 1>want to ask you, uh so, how or what was

748
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 1>your favorite parts about being involved with lujan around What

749
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:19.639
<v Speaker 1>was your favorite things about it?

750
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Lucihow on ground was everything? Man? I loved it. I

751
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.480
<v Speaker 2>loved putting out a rival product, a different product than

752
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.360
<v Speaker 2>everybody else, you know, and the guy just starting up

753
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>a wrestling company really from the ground level. That was great.

754
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I loved different part of it. It was a lot

755
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.719
<v Speaker 2>of work, don't get me wrong, But I learned so much,

756
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you know. Really that started shaping my Hollywood career. You know,

757
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that kind of gave me the stepping stone to get

758
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to the next level, to the next level, to the

759
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 2>next level of type.

760
00:36:57.719 --> 00:36:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Thing that makes sense.

761
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.519
<v Speaker 1>So I've heard that you recently worked on The Iron

762
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Claw and you were working with all the actors on

763
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>how to move and everything. So how did that experience

764
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>go for you?

765
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So much more than that, man. So basically, you know,

766
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the director contacted me once we decided to do it.

767
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, we gave me the script. I read the script,

768
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>edited things that I didn't like, change things up because

769
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm a wrestler, I know, rusting terminology. And then you know,

770
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 2>they had he had wrestling scene in there. We had

771
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>to come up with a scene I got to run

772
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.559
<v Speaker 2>that buy him, kind of shoot some ideas off him

773
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and which we agree to do something next. You know,

774
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm teaching the actors from scratch. They're not wrestlers, they're actors.

775
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>And after we teach and rehearse and you know, both

776
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 2>sides and then I'm behind the camera with the director

777
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 2>and we're directing that scene, changing angles, you know, working

778
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 2>with cameras, working with with the DP which is the

779
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.559
<v Speaker 2>director of photography, like really working with all that, and

780
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.119
<v Speaker 2>then in the editing process, you know, so it's so

781
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 2>much more than just you know, teaching the actress moots.

782
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Man, I didn't know that you were that deep into it.

783
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.039
<v Speaker 1>And what did you think of the final product once

784
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 1>it came out?

785
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I loved it, you know, it was It's a tough

786
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 2>story because it's you know, it's a true tragedy, tragedy story,

787
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, true tragic story. But I just would really loved,

788
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, how how it came out and told the

789
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 2>story of this family that had so much loss, but

790
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 2>you had somebody kind of rose up out of it

791
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.079
<v Speaker 2>in a sense. And god, man, I just I just

792
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 2>loved it, you know. I love that the way that

793
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 2>we were able to tell a tell the story or

794
00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>make a movie about men have I mean feelings because

795
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times we're not allowed to really in

796
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>movies and in Hollywood and stuff. You just have to

797
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>be this tough, crashingtect guy. But to have somebody vulnerable

798
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:15.519
<v Speaker 2>like that, like Zac Eirfron was, you know, I was,

799
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I think just a cool, just twist on movie making.

800
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I agree, And I think the message that you just

801
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:26.800
<v Speaker 1>put across as well, mentioning men having feelings, that's kind

802
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>of what from what I've seen from Dark Side of

803
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the Ring in between the movie as well, that Fritz

804
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of tried to suppress that and just try to

805
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 1>act like it wasn't allowed to be like you weren't

806
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>allowed to really show that no matter what was going on,

807
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 1>to seem.

808
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Like well, yeah, I mean we think about it, you know, Fritz,

809
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>it was like my grandpas old school. You know, men

810
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.119
<v Speaker 2>don't cry, you know, you know, you you suck it

811
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 2>up and go. You know, That's that's kind of what

812
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>it was. You know, we all have that grandpa or

813
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 2>uncle or whatever in our family. That was just that

814
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 2>they were just tough guys. It was a different it

815
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 2>was a different era. You know, Thank God that we

816
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>were able to feel in a sense. You know, I mean,

817
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>look at all the awareness of mental health now. You know,

818
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 2>ten fifteen years ago, you didn't talk about that. You

819
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.280
<v Speaker 2>just kept it to yourself, whether you had bipolarism or

820
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.280
<v Speaker 2>any of the other mental health issues or struggles you

821
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Speaker 2>were kind of especially for a man, you were very

822
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>quiet about it. And now it's really coming to light

823
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 2>and we're able to help a lot of people, and

824
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that we're changing.

825
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>For the good, absolutely, And something that I'd like to

826
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 1>bring up, and I hope this isn't too far for

827
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.079
<v Speaker 1>you man, bringing up pills and everything with Eddie and everything,

828
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>but something that a lot of people, especially in the

829
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Old Guard, used to just take pain pills constantly to

830
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>hide both physical pain and sometimes did lead to emotional

831
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>things happening and whatnot.

832
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:51.119
<v Speaker 3>And you know that's something that.

833
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think a lot of people really could register

834
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.119
<v Speaker 1>that men at times, yeah, you still felt pain no

835
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 1>matter how much you tried to suck it up and

836
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>just keep going right.

837
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:03.039
<v Speaker 2>And then that line with you know, the opioid epidemic

838
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 2>that was in Hollywood, that I mean Hollywood, that was

839
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>in the United States where everybody was you know, how

840
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.719
<v Speaker 2>easy was it for people to get pills? And you

841
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.800
<v Speaker 2>see documentaries on it now and they were just giving

842
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 2>them out, just giving them out to people. You come

843
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 2>in see a doctor in a thirty station and he's

844
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>throwing you one hundred Viking ins. You know, so there

845
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>was you know, a huge and we're still dealing with it,

846
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, a huge opioid epidemic in the United States.

847
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 2>And that didn't just go into wrestling. It went to

848
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 2>all aspects of life. It wasn't just wrestlers that died.

849
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>It was you know, students and lawyers and doctors and

850
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.559
<v Speaker 2>just everything. It really affected. It's almost like that was

851
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 2>the latest drug phrase. When you had the you know,

852
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 2>crack epidemic in the in the in the eighties, you

853
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 2>had the opioid epidemic down this in the two thousands,

854
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Fetanohl going on, all this stuff, you know. So, but

855
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a it was a definite problem, man. It was

856
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>something that wasn't just a specialized to wrestling. Everybody was

857
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:19.079
<v Speaker 2>doing it absolutely, So I'm super glad that that's coming

858
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 2>to light now. And you know, if you go try

859
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>to get a painkill now, it's like they do not

860
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:27.239
<v Speaker 2>give them out anymore. It's you know, thank god.

861
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely something else that I didn't want to ask you about,

862
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 1>the Iron Class, so it didn't include one of the

863
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 1>von Erik brothers. That stuck out to me towards the

864
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>end as a wrestling fan and knowing.

865
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 3>The history can you shed a little bit more light

866
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:42.239
<v Speaker 3>on that?

867
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.039
<v Speaker 1>For me, I was just a little lost on why

868
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>they didn't include the last one.

869
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so let's let's look at this movie not

870
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>as a Rustling fan, as cinema frame somebody who watches

871
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:58.440
<v Speaker 2>movies regular Joe that doesn't know anything about wrestling, and

872
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>you watch this movie, which is the majority of people

873
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 2>who watched this movie. It wasn't catered to a Rustling

874
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>fan because rusting fan is a very small handful. You

875
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.920
<v Speaker 2>cater to the masses. And just think, now we this

876
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.159
<v Speaker 2>is a two hour, nineteen minute movie. Already you have

877
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>one two suicides in there and a death and two

878
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:30.159
<v Speaker 2>deaths actually, and now we throw in another suicide. How

879
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>much you know? I don't think. And what's one thing

880
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.800
<v Speaker 2>that the death is that Sean Dirk and the director

881
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that I mentioned to him the same thing when I

882
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>read the script. I said, you know there was another

883
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>von Eric that killed himself, right, And he's like, yeah,

884
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the film wouldn't have survived it. It was just I mean,

885
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.920
<v Speaker 2>how much can you could you know? Keep this? It's

886
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>not a This isn't a Netflix mini series or a

887
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:59.360
<v Speaker 2>docu series where it's got episode thing. No, this is

888
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>a one sit down movie. And right now in Hollywood,

889
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 2>you have a three hour movie, you're gonna lose audience

890
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 2>members because of our short attention spans. Now, you know,

891
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 2>if I if I see a movie it's three hours, like,

892
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna watch it. It's just too long for me.

893
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I can't sit down for three hours and see and

894
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>see that it's not you know that it's just not

895
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>done as much anymore. So you got the choice when

896
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>you're you know, you got a studio a twenty four

897
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 2>that is expecting you to put out a movie, not

898
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 2>a wrestling movie.

899
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:32.559
<v Speaker 3>We're not.

900
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.800
<v Speaker 2>This isn't a movie that's being shown in WW network.

901
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:41.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's where you're at. And if you really get

902
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:45.800
<v Speaker 2>into it. The first child that died, he was they'd

903
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.480
<v Speaker 2>really taught touch on it. He was electrocuted as a

904
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:52.719
<v Speaker 2>kid when they were living in that trailer, traveling town

905
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to town. You know, electricity and traders weren't the standards.

906
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Weren't where they are now. Well that there's treaders plus

907
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 2>in the trader tongue was electric was electrified. The kid

908
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>touched it, his five year old kid, seven year old.

909
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if his age actually touched it, got electrocuted.

910
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>It was in the middle of winter, fell down in

911
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 2>a puddle of melted snow and drowned right there. We

912
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't include that either. We didn't include that David, who's

913
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:29.199
<v Speaker 2>was named after I believe his mother's brother, had also

914
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 2>died tragically. I mean, where where were we going to stop?

915
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:35.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

916
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Movie, it's a two hour, nineteen minute movie, or which

917
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 2>is already long. So if you think about it now,

918
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense, right, it makes sense. Not just man,

919
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, it sucks that they couldn't put Chris in there,

920
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 2>but it was just it was just too much.

921
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I agree with that.

922
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to hear it from somebody that was

923
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:57.079
<v Speaker 1>involved with the script and everything.

924
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Watch The Dark Side of the Ring and you know

925
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 2>you can hear that story or or you know, there

926
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 2>was a little fun error, you know turn affairs and

927
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 2>stuff that were that were done that kind of told

928
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.199
<v Speaker 2>more of the story. But you know, that's it. Just

929
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:11.960
<v Speaker 2>that's a tough one.

930
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, Uh.

931
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you going into that a little bit

932
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>with me, just because it, uh, it does help to

933
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.599
<v Speaker 1>shed some light on it and have the explanation from

934
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 1>somebody that was so involved with the script and everything.

935
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Then a little insighting in movie making, you know, and

936
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 2>how many you know, not documents but biopics that you

937
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 2>see out there, you know, tell the whole story, you don't.

938
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 2>You don't hear it on when you see Ray. You know,

939
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>with uh Jamie Fox, there was a lot they left

940
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 2>out and they had to. It's just a it's a movie.

941
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 2>It's a two two two and a half hour movie.

942
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you look at anybody, you know the

943
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Queen biopic, you know, there's a lot that you leave out.

944
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 2>You can't conclude everything. It's not a book. So that's

945
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>if any any biopic that you see, it is good

946
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>to these stuff out. It has to. You can't just don't.

947
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 2>There's not enough time, fair enough.

948
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.639
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I really appreciate you going over that with me.

949
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:19.280
<v Speaker 1>So back on the topic of wrestling. So, when you

950
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 1>had won your ECW title and you were with WWE

951
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 1>at the time, how did it feel at that time?

952
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Were you really excited about it? Did you think this

953
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>was the next step for you?

954
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 3>How did you feel?

955
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, anytime they put a championship on your

956
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.760
<v Speaker 2>championship belt, it's always an honor for sure. It's not

957
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>like they're just just giving it to you, you know,

958
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 2>for the most part there it's always an honor, you know,

959
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to held the the e c W Championship. So when

960
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Eddie and I grew up, we always pretended that we

961
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:56.440
<v Speaker 2>were our goal, you know, our goal. But our dream

962
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 2>in a sense was to become the tag team champions

963
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 2>of the world because we would see his brothers, my

964
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Speaker 2>dad and my uncles uh be the you know, be

965
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the tacking champions, and we would as kids, we would

966
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.960
<v Speaker 2>play tag team Champions in our backyard with their belts.

967
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>We'd get the belts and pretend that we were, you know,

968
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:22.400
<v Speaker 2>the champions. So that was our our this goal you

969
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>call it, but we didn't. It wasn't like it was

970
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 2>a goal, but that's what we wanted to do. So

971
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 2>when we achieved that in WWE Madison Square Garden Survivor Series,

972
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, then you start making other goals for yourself.

973
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 2>So we made goals to become the heady champions, you know,

974
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:41.679
<v Speaker 2>and Eddie was a w W champion. I became ECW champions,

975
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 2>so you know that that was the next step.

976
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Fair enough.

977
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I'm really glad that you were able to get

978
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that next step. But between you and I, man, I

979
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of always saw you as somebody who you didn't

980
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 1>really need the belt to be over as well. Well,

981
00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 1>you were an incredible heel, so you were always doing

982
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 1>your job very well. It's kind of one of those

983
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:05.159
<v Speaker 1>guys where I always felt like you didn't really need

984
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the belt just because you got the reactions every time

985
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>no matter what. But having it it's a great accolade

986
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 1>for you, and I'm really glad that you were able

987
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to accomplish.

988
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>That, you know, and what comes along with that title

989
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.440
<v Speaker 2>like that and working, you know, you're really any title,

990
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 2>the championship, you know, attacking champions you you know, your

991
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 2>your pay does go up because you're working a lot

992
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and you're working on all the shows. So having that

993
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.719
<v Speaker 2>championship or a championship, you know, you're definitely gonna make

994
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 2>more money. Not just of course being you know, the

995
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.320
<v Speaker 2>w B champion or the Universe Champion what they call

996
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 2>it now. You know, of course that comes with a

997
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of responsibility, but a lot more money as well,

998
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.280
<v Speaker 2>but become you know, the ec W champion. I think

999
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 2>that was my biggest year ever I worked. I worked

1000
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot. I was on everything because then we became

1001
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.360
<v Speaker 2>part of low Familia with Edge and he was the

1002
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.119
<v Speaker 2>heavyweight champion. I was easter W champion. I think at

1003
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 2>one point we had Writer and Hawkins is the tag

1004
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 2>team champions. So uh, we were like on every house show,

1005
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 2>every CW, every SmackDown, sometimes raw. So we were just

1006
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like working working a lot, a lot. But you you

1007
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>made why are you in this business? You're here to

1008
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 2>make money? So that was that was cool with.

1009
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 1>It absolutely So I do also want to ask you,

1010
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 1>so anybody that you could possibly wrestle from past president

1011
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I almost want to say future, but you know, maybe

1012
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.119
<v Speaker 1>if you see an up and coming who would you

1013
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.280
<v Speaker 1>see as an ideal dream match for you and your

1014
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.639
<v Speaker 1>prime and them in their prime if you could absolutely

1015
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:38.239
<v Speaker 1>put it together.

1016
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I would have loved to wrestle Rick Steamboat as a babyface.

1017
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:50.199
<v Speaker 2>I would love to wrestle Shawn Michaels. You know, I

1018
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.920
<v Speaker 2>did tag team stuff against him and he was He's

1019
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.519
<v Speaker 2>just so good. I would have liked to have done

1020
00:50:56.599 --> 00:51:04.159
<v Speaker 2>that nowadays. You know, I like Pak who's over in

1021
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a e W. He's really great. I think it has

1022
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 2>some really great matches with him. God guys. So many

1023
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:14.800
<v Speaker 2>of the guys. I mean, I could go on in

1024
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>all the usos Man does, the no I EV family,

1025
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.000
<v Speaker 2>They're all so good. Just get in the room with

1026
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Speaker 2>any one of them is awesome. You know, you could

1027
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:27.960
<v Speaker 2>go on now. But there's a lot of talented guys

1028
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>out there that I believe having someone who who's been

1029
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.320
<v Speaker 2>around a little bit and and has made those mistakes

1030
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.599
<v Speaker 2>and learned from them and had some really good teachers

1031
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.039
<v Speaker 2>to pass that on to them to get them to

1032
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 2>become even better rustlers. You know.

1033
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Agreed, agreed, and uh with that, I'd also like to ask,

1034
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 1>do you still came up with the product at all?

1035
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Sure? I don't watch it every Monday or whatever the

1036
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.239
<v Speaker 2>other one was on Friday, but yeah, sure you're you know,

1037
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.039
<v Speaker 2>I do check the sights a lot and see, you know,

1038
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.800
<v Speaker 2>what happened last night on Raw that kind of stuff

1039
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.840
<v Speaker 2>for sure. Especially with social media, you know, it's it's

1040
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 2>always there. Intend to turn on. You know, you'll see

1041
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff with on Instagram with you know, with Dominic and

1042
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Live and Raya and all that stuff. Is such a

1043
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 2>cool storyline, but you see, you see it firsthand.

1044
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 1>You know absolutely, so what I was gonna ask was

1045
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 1>so with all these up and coming guys. You know,

1046
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.519
<v Speaker 1>you got Damien Priest, You've got Dominic Mysterio. Now who

1047
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:36.719
<v Speaker 1>really stands out to you personally?

1048
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.880
<v Speaker 2>There's a ton of them. Man, there's everybody that's so good.

1049
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Finn Baylor that can't do anything is amazing. I love

1050
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 2>you know Ricochet that he just moved to a w

1051
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Dominic's doing amazing and you know what to see him

1052
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 2>get even better kind of. I mean, there's just a ton.

1053
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a ton all the girls. The girls, they stepped

1054
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>it up so much. There's so good now.

1055
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, women's wrestling has come such a long way, especially

1056
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.960
<v Speaker 1>from the past what fifteen years, I'd say, my god,

1057
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 1>it is moving them out.

1058
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Well from you know, broad panty matches and them being

1059
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 2>like you know, eye candy to these people that are

1060
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.840
<v Speaker 2>headlining WrestleMania and how that had to do with like

1061
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Ronda Rousey before she came to WW man, she just

1062
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:28.480
<v Speaker 2>showed that, you know, women can draw, you know, and

1063
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.079
<v Speaker 2>people were against it for a long time. They had

1064
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:33.639
<v Speaker 2>their their place, if you want to call their site.

1065
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Show kind of sprinkled in place on the on the show.

1066
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>But now all of a sudden you know, they're they're

1067
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.599
<v Speaker 2>killing it. I mean, these girls are having an amazing matches.

1068
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Charlotta Flair just she kills it. She's so good.

1069
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely totally agree.

1070
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:52.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean we went from swimsuit contests and whatever else

1071
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 1>that was just kind of demeaning to women now to

1072
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.719
<v Speaker 1>they are the headliners for WrestleMania and it works.

1073
00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 3>It fits.

1074
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Everybody absolutely loves it. So totally agree.

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00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 3>Man.

1076
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're really good. They're uh, you know, they

1077
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 2>went from being the Godfather's hose to headlight in wrestle media.

1078
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's a great thing. I'm super happy for.

1079
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

1080
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.719
<v Speaker 1>So, Uh, do you have any future projects that you'd

1081
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 1>like to tell anybody about or is that something you'd

1082
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:19.679
<v Speaker 1>like to keep more secret or anything.

1083
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. I'm always in you know, in La, I mean

1084
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood doing different projects and working on different things. So

1085
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.199
<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of things that are coming up.

1086
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, hopefully we get that Ric Flair biopic off

1087
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 2>the ground. Uh. You know, I was supposed to do

1088
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the whole Hogan biopic. I don't know what's going on

1089
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:36.360
<v Speaker 2>with that right now. I think that's just a little

1090
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 2>stalled right now, depending but you know, there was there's

1091
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:45.960
<v Speaker 2>always commercial I just finished a commercial in Atlanta about

1092
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 2>a month ago, so you know, there's always projects coming up.

1093
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Awesome, awesome, glad to hear it.

1094
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Man.

1095
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 1>So, uh, we're getting down towards the end of the

1096
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 1>episode here. So as always, i'd like to ask if

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00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.760
<v Speaker 1>you have any recommendations for the audience for book, movie,

1098
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 1>TV show, song, doesn't matter what it is, any recommendations.

1099
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Iron Claw, I love you know, TV shows. Let

1100
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:14.599
<v Speaker 2>me see, I just started, you know, I kind of

1101
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 2>watch them here or there once in a while. I

1102
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 2>reboot them sometimes, Like I just finished watching Game of

1103
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Thrones again and went back and watched that. It was

1104
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 2>even better at the second time. I'm I think that

1105
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>one season or two seasons left the Sopranos just because

1106
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was twenty five years ago and you

1107
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 2>don't you know, you just don't remember it and you

1108
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 2>go back and wow, what a masterpiece it is. But

1109
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 2>right now I'm watching Fight Night. I'm watching Fight Night.

1110
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.280
<v Speaker 2>That's got every African American actor in it and they're

1111
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:51.519
<v Speaker 2>killing it. It's on Paramount, I believe, or maybe Peacock.

1112
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the piece that was really cool, cool

1113
00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>mini series that's cool. I haven't read a good book

1114
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:03.920
<v Speaker 2>in a while except for this one from my boy

1115
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Hannah Gracie, and it's the Cool Ones. It's the thirty

1116
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.840
<v Speaker 2>two Principles of Jiu Jitsu and harnessing the power of

1117
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 2>jiu Jitsu to succeed in business, relationships, and life. It's

1118
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.199
<v Speaker 2>a great read, and especially for us that are you know,

1119
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:23.800
<v Speaker 2>love combat combat sports, but to actually apply that into life,

1120
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.039
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty cool. That's kind of the stuff that I like.

1121
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:31.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, I like sometimes of fiction stuff. You know,

1122
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.760
<v Speaker 2>it just depends. Like I read uh old stuff like

1123
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 2>the Charles Manson Cia book that was that was pretty

1124
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.119
<v Speaker 2>cool just to see how they were like tracking them

1125
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.360
<v Speaker 2>and all that different stuff. But you know, that's kind

1126
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of stuff that I like.

1127
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's awesome.

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00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 1>So a recommendation for this week for anybody that's listening,

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00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.000
<v Speaker 1>uh I would honestly recommend I've mentioned it on the

1130
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 1>show before, but I would recommend watching slum Dog Millionaires

1131
00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:59.000
<v Speaker 1>just because it's one of those movies. Man, it can

1132
00:56:59.039 --> 00:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>get to you and.

1133
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 2>It's very great movie. If you've never seen Slung Jog,

1134
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:05.760
<v Speaker 2>it's it's such a good movie, such a good way.

1135
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Now beating in the movie as I saw it before

1136
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I was I got to go back and watch it

1137
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 2>again just because now I look at it completely different.

1138
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Now you need to see how the I just told

1139
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:19.719
<v Speaker 2>the story, but they they used the script and camel

1140
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.440
<v Speaker 2>to tell that story. It's pretty cool. And for people

1141
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.079
<v Speaker 2>that are watching what we do in wrestling, and this

1142
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 2>is a lot of I show up this if I'm

1143
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:33.400
<v Speaker 2>doing a seminar or telling you know, young Rustler's guys.

1144
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 2>We tell stories out there. It's what we're doing in

1145
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the ring. We use those moves, the wrestling moves to

1146
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:43.960
<v Speaker 2>tell the story, but the wrestling moves are not the story.

1147
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Just like in a movie, you use explosions and stuff

1148
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.199
<v Speaker 2>to tell the story, but there's explosions aren't the story.

1149
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.639
<v Speaker 2>You have to get them connected to a character, whatever

1150
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>character they have to be making love you or hates

1151
00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.159
<v Speaker 2>you in a movie so that you're invested in it.

1152
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing in wrestling. And wrestling you gotta

1153
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.079
<v Speaker 2>get him to hate and hate you or love you

1154
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:07.440
<v Speaker 2>because then they care about you. But when you're just

1155
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.880
<v Speaker 2>this guy that does some flips and okay, whatever next next,

1156
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:15.039
<v Speaker 2>who cares? That's not how you do it. So if

1157
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you just remember that here almost that you're watching a

1158
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.400
<v Speaker 2>movie or a part of a movie. In a rustling match,

1159
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.920
<v Speaker 2>they you have to get the crowd to connect to

1160
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Speaker 2>you somehow. Look at Dominic, but what he's doing, he

1161
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't do any He stands there with that stupid mustache

1162
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 2>and Eddie's hair and people hate him, but they care,

1163
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:40.039
<v Speaker 2>they care about him. He's doing a great job.

1164
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, totally agree. And the storyline with Ray Ripley

1165
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.039
<v Speaker 1>and Live I think it was phenomenally done.

1166
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh cool, so good, absolutely.

1167
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So right in the end of the show, here, do

1168
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you have any last thing you want to say to

1169
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 1>the audiencer?

1170
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, guys, Hey, thanks a lot for listening and watching

1171
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the following my career, you can check out more stuff

1172
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I got going on on my Instagram at child World Junior.

1173
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:06.760
<v Speaker 2>That's some kind of where everything goes on. I'm also

1174
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.679
<v Speaker 2>on like extra Twitter it's called at mex Warrior. And

1175
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I also have a Facebook at child World Junior, not

1176
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the fake one that sells things as a guy out

1177
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>there that's got a fake profile. To me, that's trying.

1178
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I never sell anything on my Facebook, never said so

1179
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that's not real. So but check me out. You can

1180
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.320
<v Speaker 2>see all the stuff going on working on my I

1181
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.800
<v Speaker 2>have a beer rop, my Thtse girls, Mexican logger. You

1182
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.760
<v Speaker 2>can check out stuff, where to drint that uh, and

1183
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:38.159
<v Speaker 2>just all the different different things I got I got working.

1184
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm always got a lot of I've got a lot

1185
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.119
<v Speaker 2>of irons in the fire man. I'm always doing stuff awesome.

1186
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I was actually going to bring up the fake Facebook

1187
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 1>account think and I'm glad that you did, because I

1188
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was going to ask you about it because it accepted

1189
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 1>a freer question from me.

1190
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.760
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I must be a joke or something

1191
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:52.719
<v Speaker 3>not real.

1192
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:55.440
<v Speaker 2>So I's got like some of my real Facebook acounts

1193
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.559
<v Speaker 2>got way more than him. I don't know why I've

1194
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I've reported them and people so many people have reported him,

1195
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 2>but he's selling fake stuff on there. And then from

1196
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.559
<v Speaker 2>what I under here at stand is as soon as

1197
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:11.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody paypals and the money that he blocks them and leads,

1198
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 2>he keeps some money. So that is not me report them,

1199
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 2>and I don't if Facebook, if you're listening, shut it down.

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01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I think the account's been shut down by now because

1201
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.320
<v Speaker 1>he disappeared off my friend's list. I promise I never

1202
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:25.400
<v Speaker 1>bought anything from him, but.

1203
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:30.119
<v Speaker 2>There, it's still there. It's Billy totally. I check it

1204
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.000
<v Speaker 2>out all the time and I'm like, how have they

1205
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:35.320
<v Speaker 2>not gotten rid of this guy? But anyways, that's it

1206
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 2>all right.

1207
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for being on the show and

1208
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I really really appreciate it. For everybody listening tonight, you

1209
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:44.719
<v Speaker 1>guys know how it goes usually for me at the end,

1210
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:47.039
<v Speaker 1>do something nice for somebody you never know who needs it.

1211
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.239
<v Speaker 1>And with that, once again, you guys know how to

1212
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 1>reach me at maintenance MAV And with that.

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01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh thanks guys. Appreciate you man, and thank you.

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01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Thanks for listening to the ww podcast. Don't forget to

1215
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:05.800
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1216
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.199
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01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.159
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01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:19.119
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<v Speaker 4>next time.