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let's dive into today's episode, like to Welcome to the
show with doctor Zach Bush.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Zach, and what a pleasure to be here.
I'm really glad to be with the outhercumt Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming. I've really, really really
been looking forward to this conversation with you, man, because
I love your work. I love what you're trying to
do in the world and what you are doing in
the world to help try to awaken people to a
lot of different things, both from the scientific side, but
you also dabble in the spiritual side as well, and
I'm really interested to go down the rabbit hole view.
There's multiple rabbit holes we're going to go down. But
you are a triple is it certified, three time certified
board a board Please tell me I'm horrible at this.
Speaker 3: Actually, I mean in some ways it is a part
of my past. But I got three board specialties in medicine,
internal medicine, then entercronology, and metabolism, which is the study
of hormones and ultimate energy production in the body with metabolism,
and that gets into the mitochondria which live inside ourselves.
And then the third sub especialty was kind of as
I was exiting my seventeen years in academia, I started
nutrition center for folks and reversing cronic disease through our
connection to food and Mother Earth, and in that process
was needing.
Speaker 2: Another job and needing to make money.
Speaker 3: So I actually here got a third subspecially in hospice
and palliative care, and was a hospice director for four
years doing end of life care. So that's you know,
in some ways, it was the very beginning of my
career birthing babies in the Philippines. I was going into
engineering and then took a hard left turn, you know,
after that trip, and went into medicine. So it was
really birthing babies on the front end and then doing
the death and you know, duel a kind.
Speaker 2: Of process of hospice at the back.
Speaker 3: End of my career that I think gave me the
opportunity to have a really nique and you know, look
into the we might call it a spiritual reality, but
it's the energetic reality of what it means to be
an identity, what it means to have an identity, and
watching that come in and exit the human experience, I
think gave me a unique perspective to start on a
very deep, deconstructive process of changing my own mindset and
my own concept of self. And so well, I don't
feel like I'm helping other people towards any kind of
spiritual awareness. I've been able to at least be transparent
about my own journey into the loss of the frameworks
of the stories that I had grown up being told,
as they just weren't fitting my own life experience. You know,
watch enough births of a child, child and you work,
watch enough deaths of an elder, and you realize these
these don't fit anybody's one story. There's something more beautiful,
something more whole, happening to each one of us. And
so I'm just on a mad pursuit of learning that
and experiencing that my own body, because I'm pretty sure
I can die before my body's gone, and if I
can really die to myself thoroughly, I'm curious to see
what births out of that.
Speaker 1: That's beautifully said, Sir beautifully said, so, yeah, your perspective
of starting your career birthing children's children in the Philippines,
how many kids did you bring into the world? How
many souls did you bring into the world?
Speaker 3: I mean through that experience and then later in the
obgyn world. And I thought I was going to go
into OBI for some time, and it's hundreds, hundreds. I
never kept track of it, I suppose, but yeah, it
was a lot of babies coming.
Speaker 1: In as all of those as all of those souls
are coming in. What was the thing that you kind
of kept seeing that you were like, this is very
interesting because this is the birth of life. Life is
fighting to come into this reality, to come into this simulation,
this existence. What was the thing that caught you off
guard when you started to consenting?
Speaker 2: See that?
Speaker 1: And then we'll go to the other end.
Speaker 3: In Yeah, the level of genius that is exhibited in
the formation of a human inside the womb of woman
has never been measured. We've figured out the structure of atoms,
We've figured out, you know, the extent of the universe.
We've dissected, you know, nearly every physical future of the world.
Speaker 2: To sort through how things work.
Speaker 3: Not a single scientist has even been able to put
together a theory on how this happens, because it's frankly
just beyond any human comprehension. How a single cell can
begin a self differentiation process where it splits into seventy
trillion cells, and then somehow each of those seventy trillion
cells knows where to go in a three dimensional map
to then differentiate into a very specific cell with a
completely radically different shape function, you know, genomic expression.
Speaker 2: Kidney cell can.
Speaker 3: Be you know, one millionth of an inch within the
border of a fiber's tissue cell. And yet they have
they know exactly who they are, they know exactly why
they are right where they are. And so the intricate
scale of the tininess of the mechanisms of a human
body and how everything knows how to become that nobody
has a clue.
Speaker 2: No, it's definitely not in the cell.
Speaker 3: That information doesn't exist inside the human DNA, for example,
there's no information.
Speaker 2: There prints, there's no blueprint.
Speaker 3: And so you are self organizing the womb of your
mother into something that we might call human. And then
it's compounded by the reality of your connection and nature
actually shaping the body every millionth of a second. So
every millionth of a second, the atomic structure of a
human body dissolves and reappears, as does this table. And
so anything solid is anything but solid. It's actually a
momentary physical expression of light. And so when you start
to realize, okay, somehow we are these energetic center, these
extremely intense consentrations of light energy to become a physical matter,
and in that extreme light energy, we have the ability
to coordinate communication, to adhere to this greater map, this
greater design of a beauty that is unfolding in nature.
All of that is to say that it's beyond the
word miracle. It's this is to see the face of
a child coming into this world and taking its first breath.
You are in the physical presence of the genius of
the universe. In its totality. I don't think the universe
has done anything more magnificent than birth life. And so
that's a bit of the discovery that I began into
and I could not have articulated any of that when
I was nineteen years old.
Speaker 2: My first experiences of birthing children.
Speaker 3: But as a kid, you know, nineteen year old, the
beauty of being nineteen as you think you've got everything
figured out and the beauty thing, you know, you think
the world is your waster and everything's go.
Speaker 2: I'm in control here.
Speaker 3: And then I saw that first baby come out, and
I was like, oh no, I don't think I know anything,
and I don't even know if I belong here on
the planet. Was one of the experiences like this doesn't
seem I don't feel like I deserve to even witness this.
The power that is in a woman to do what
she does in that process of surrendering her body to
source to create within her is something that the male
psyche can't really comprehend in the way in which we've
currently been trained. And I think a lot of our
religious and spiritual practices are a lot about that. How
do you go on a path to radical surrender of
your own space to let God create through it? And
so that's some of the things that were seeded in
my consciousness in those years in the Philippines and or
that time in the Philippines and in the years that
subsequently happened. I had the blessing I have seen contrast
between these incredible group of international midwives that trusted that
feminine power so much that as they walked into the
room with a woman that was in labor, they immediately
endowed her with the confidence, the capacity to do this
miraculous thing called child labor and birth.
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Speaker 3: Contrasted with my experience within a couple of years in
the medical system, where every woman was told that this
was a highly risky thing and this was a pathology
more than a miracle. And watched the difference between those
two worlds and how women are just systematically disempowered in
our current society and our current medical systems.
Speaker 2: And it's not limited to the medical system.
Speaker 3: I think women are disempowered from this miraculous capacity that
they have within them to have a human womb is
unbelievable in its ability to bring forth a child. But
what I've slowly been learning is that womb space, that
creative center, is available anybody, anytime, male, female, to create from.
So there's an energy center deep in our core that
we can surrender to source to create through. It's a
really interesting possibility that our greatest work comes when we
blind ourselves to the whole process. When we are so
willing to turn it over to something bigger than ourselves
that we can't even see the process. And that's basically
what's happening. When one cell turns into seventy trillion. We
cannot see that process. The way in which a womb
works is to blind us to itself, basically. And so
the woman uses progesterone to do this, and so progesterone
is a potent immune block, and so her immune system
cannot see what's going on there. Her neurologic system cannot
see what's going on in there. And so to allow
another being to form inside of you, you have to
keep it so blanketed that you can't see it, because
if for a moment the woman saw that thing, her
immune system would destroy it, because the immune system would
see it as foreign material and destroy it.
Speaker 2: It's probably the.
Speaker 3: Most potent example that we have of what does it
mean to be with God? What does it mean to
be God? It means to surrender yourself to the processes
of the universe and its creative force so profoundly that
you can't even see what's going on. You can't figure
it out, you can't go make it better. You can't
fix this thing. And for that, I have severe concerns
around our whole concept that's emerged around biohacking. I don't
think it's a good idea to try to hack something
that's that miraculous. I think we need to surrender to
the creative force within us rather than try to micromanage
and hack, you know, with our limited intelligence.
Speaker 1: Right. And there seems to be this trend now among
billionaires or very very rich men specific I haven't seen
a woman do it yet that are coming out trying
to basically live forever and thinking that they can hack
themselves by taking obscene amounts of this, or obscene amounts
of that or this kind of supplement to try to
hack their their genome, even to hack their DNA to
keep it going longer. It's it doesn't seem right to
me in many ways. I'm all about Listen, you take vitamins.
I take vitamins. I hope you, I mean, do you
take vitamins down? You don't, So there you go, take vitamins.
I take vitamins, but you eat probably healthy enough that
you get every nutrition and micronutrients and all that stuff
that you need for your microbiome. And so on, so
we take care of ourselves. You and I are both
twenty seven. We have aged horror the two. But I'm
all about that. But it seems like there's this talk
of AI going into the system. Yeah, and basically just
constantly checking your system. You're like, oh, you're low and potassium.
Inject potassium. Oh your low and magnesium. Inject magnesium to
keep the system going. What do you think? What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, both the biohacking movement and the medical community at
large have treated the human bodies if it's a chemistry phenomenon,
and we're not. We're a biology phenomenon. The reason it
treats this as a chemistry problem is because chemistry is
super simple. Sodium plus chloride, you get salt. You know,
you can measure the electrolytes in a human body quite
easily for four dollars. You can find out if your
sodium is good, your potassium, all these things, and so
your electrolytes are measured, and so you can say, oh,
you need more calcium or you need more magnesium. I
did that for years as a doctor, and it turns
out that it never works. What's happening inside the body
with those electrolytes. Have very little to do with those electrolytes.
It has to do with what is life creating inside
your body. The reason we need the reductionists leaf systems
of like here's what we can measure in your blood chemistry,
or here's what we can measure in your rem sleep
with your OI ring.
Speaker 2: Here's the data we've.
Speaker 3: Done that because we cannot freaking figure out biology because
it's a miracle inside of every cell. And so we
talked about one cell turning into seven trillion cells and
the miraculous nature of that, that level of miracles happening
in every single one of those cells as well, and
so every single cell is a black box as to
how that stuff figures itself out. And so I as
a cell biologist, for you know, still am I still
run my cell biology lab in Virginia and we get
to peer through microscopes every day. We now have these
incredible computer aided systems. Now that what used to take
us four hours to get a single high powered image
on our microscope, we can do ninety six times seven.
So we can do six hundred and fifty experiments in
four minutes with these robots that are now doing these
things for us, and so the speed at which we
can get information is extreme, and we haven't learned anything
more in a sense because all we keep seeing, if
you're really honest with yourself, is miracles, and so it's
and then the ego can't handle that, and so we
keep diminishing the miracle down to something we can measure.
And what we can measure is not life. Life is
too complex. Life is actually a system of relationships, and
something as complex as human life is a system of
millions of species, not actual organisms, millions of species interacting.
And so when you get into that level of complexity
and euro up in fourteen quadrillion mitochondria, one point four
quadrillion bacteria, five six trillion fungal elements in a human body,
there's so much going on in a human body that
to actually understand the whole of it is impossible. And
so we try to break down the system to look
at these little elements to find tracking, you know, metrics
that then correlate with life, health, disease, whatever it is.
But at best we're doing the bread crumb thing, and
the real danger of doing a bread crumb thing is
then presented as if it's the truth. And this is
where I think we've seen, you know, those recent five
years really take us down a deep dark hole in
public health because we were told trust the science. As
a scientist, that doesn't even make sense. That sentence doesn't
make sense. There's nothing to trust in science. And like
trusting the science makes it sound like there's a body
of truth. Science is a process, not a bank of truth.
And so somehow the word science got transmuted to mean
truth instead of a process of understanding. And so science
is an inherent process. It's a journey into discovery. It's
it's a process of by which we have created the
opportunity to explore miracles that will never be understood by
a human mind, but will be felt every day. And
so where I've been going the last fifteen years is
doing less and less studies on my patients since regards
their chemistries and their labs and their imaging and all that,
and do more and more focus on what do you
feel inside your body and then turn it over to them.
Speaker 2: To rebirth themselves.
Speaker 3: Interesting, everybody has the information inside of them that they
used to self form in their mother's womb that never
left you because you're still doing it right. Every millionth
of a second, I have to remap this body and
re manifest light into particle and put it back in
the same order so that I look like me than
another millionth of a second.
Speaker 1: To hold on to the code if we're in the matrix,
to hold on to the code that makes Zach Zach
and Alex Alex. It's constantly remapping itself throughout the day
and throughout our tired lifetime. It's constantly every millisecond, is
this is happening? And then I always always like to
ask a doctor, specifically someone like yourself, why the hell
do we age? Because we're rebuilding our bodies every you know,
you have a new skin every how many days. You
have a new heart every so many days. You have
a new brain ever, I mean some months or something
like that. I don't know what the time.
Speaker 2: Every seven years, every cell's turned over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so every seven years you have a brand new Zach,
brand new out and various variations and within those seven
years of different things. But why are we aging and
not staying at the peak? Let's say I would love
to be at twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, physically that would be an ideal age, not mentally yeah,
well between twenty three and twenty nine mentally too, No, no,
mentally like not experientially the capacity, Yeah, I wish you
had an experience of a ninety year old and a
twenty three year old brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: So, but what is the science and also just what
is your take on why we age? If you can
explain it to in a layman way. We want to
it's us that's whatever we want age because we see
other people aging, so we age.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's even deeper that I think we
don't want to be here forever. I think we want
a finite experience.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: The soul, which is a fractal of God, is how
I would think of it, as a geometry that's permanent.
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Speaker 3: And this is what I definitely learned in the second
book end of my career. Death is not an endpoint
that is a massive rebirth. It is a massive reconnection.
But I've seen so many near death experiences where people
are going back and forth across the vele over and
over again, and they've told me the most magnificent stories
I mean the death near death experiences are just so lovely.
I mean, every one of them just makes you warm
and just like just sit back and chuckle at yourself
that you think anything is real, that you're.
Speaker 2: Sitting here perceiving.
Speaker 3: And so I love near death experience for that like
reorientation of like, oh yeah, this is all fake. Everything
we're doing is a dream, and we wake back up
into this bigger reality as soon as we dip a pass.
And the interesting thing about all those near death experiences,
they'll travel the cosmos, they go to a distant planet,
they meet out their ancestors, they do all this, they
never miss the im. Their identity is permanent, is unwavering.
The second, you know, the millisecond they let go of
the human conscious, there still I am. There's no gap
between I'm Zach and I am the im that this
is deep to me is permanent and unwavering, and every
millionth of a second is the same.
Speaker 2: That identity unchanging. Has.
Speaker 3: An experience that I've heard many times is oh my gosh,
everything is perfect. I am fully accepted, I'm connected everything,
the cosmos or the journey is perfect. Everything is perfect.
My human experience was just perfect. That being, why would
you want to not just stay there, Like if everything's
perfect all the time and you're connected everything and you
see the light and everything's glory and you're in the.
Speaker 2: Ocean of love.
Speaker 3: We want a finite experience so that we can see
the beauty that we are contest. You want to have
the separation so that you can look back at the
beauty of everything. And we see this in nature a lot.
And you go watch our sunset, and the humans are
lined up there in alle you know, we sit there
in three hour meditation. Well, the sky goes through all
its color changes, and then the dark sets and the
moon comes up and the stars come out, and we're
just in awe and we say that none of the
other species are sitting there paying attention to any of that.
Speaker 2: They are it.
Speaker 3: The birds of the air are the sunset, and they
settle into the tree because it is sunset. But it
is sunset, the sunset isn't It is I am moment
for them, and so there's no pondering of the colors,
and they're not all meditating well what could happen tomorrow.
They're fully presenced and there's no questioning of their connection.
Everything it's this unique state of being human and being
a finite experience where we are aging. We have this
temporal experience of the perspectives on reality from a distance,
and it's kind of like Archimedes, you know, saying if
you give me a platform, I'll move the earth with
a lever. You know, if you give me a platform
away from nature, if you split my consciousness away from God,
I will see it and I will be able to
see it and feel it differently than I can when
I'm fully connected and part of it.
Speaker 2: And so I think we.
Speaker 3: Are signing up probably through what makes sense to me
is a very select and unique blessing to be picked
for this.
Speaker 1: Journey, and also at this time in history.
Speaker 2: No greater time. Maybe you know this.
Speaker 3: Every seventy thousand years, it seems humans go through this
massive epoch shift. And we're right in the middle of
that end of a seventy thousand year cycle in the
beginning of the next, and we don't know if we
hold onto these bodies in the next you know, we
may go through a massive metaphormorphosis rather than survival of
our current biology because of what's been cooked into our biology.
The laste hundred years may be inescapable, we may have
deemed ourselves to biologic extinction, but biological extinction is not
the same as energetic extinction. What do our souls want
to learn from that human experience and go on to do?
And can we do that fast enough while we're still
in the body, to transform these bodies to survive what
we've created and really transformed the suffering and the separation
fast enough and early enough that we can actually stay
in play in these biologies. And so those are all
possibilities that sit in front of us.
Speaker 1: So the thing that's really interesting about your work, and
you've spoken about this before is and I haven't really
never heard anyone else put it together like this, this
shift that's happening in humanity right now, we can all
feel it. We've been feeling it probably since the early
two thousands, yeah.
Speaker 3: Or the late sixties, like there was just such a
massive awakening, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there was I think those were the seeds.
I think those were the beginnings of the seeds.
Speaker 3: But donning of Aquarius maybe exactly.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of weed, organic weed.
Speaker 2: Of course, they hadn't got life, say yet.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, they had some nice clean weed back then.
But so that was the beginning stages of it. But
it's still even in our lifetime, the speed of things,
you know, I remember the seventies, I remember the eighties
and the nineties, and I started this if you look
back in like, oh, stuff started to speed up and
speed up. And I looked at it in my industry,
which is the film industry. It's like we had movies
and that was in movies and theaters forever, like that
was thing movies were. Then this VHS thing showed up.
That hung out for a little while about decade, fifteen years,
Blockbuster Black, of course, Blockbuster. But then DVD showed up,
and DVD picked up even faster, and it was it
started to it started to go obsolete faster than the
VHS did than Blu Ray came out. Then streaming came out,
and then that, and that happened to all. But so
I started seeing all the technology is speeding up. Things
are starting to speed up. Now it feels like every
year is ten years. I mean, every year since twenty
twenty it has been so intense, so insane. This year
is no different, and it seems to be getting more
sped up, more crazy, and but what you've been able
to see you said in another interview, which I thought
was so brilliant, is that what we've done to ourselves
biologically and to the earth environmentally is what is a
catalyst for a lot of the chaos that's happening in
socioeconomic and you know, in finance, in media, in medicine
and all these things. It's it's a parallel. Can you
kind of dive into.
Speaker 2: That a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think what we've gotten used to is activists running
around telling us how evil human behavior is, and how
the oil companies are the problem, and mons Angele's the
problem and bears the problem, and Western medicine is the problem,
and pharmaceuticals are the problem, and vaccines are the problem,
and governments are the problem. The FDA is the problem,
CDC is the problem, the who is the problem? World
Economic Forums the problem. Davos is the problem. That's what
we're used to is looking outside of ourselves and coming
up with a thousand reasons as to who's an idiot,
who's not thinking right, who's exploiting us, who's the darkforce? Yeah,
and we've spent so much time being programmed to look
outside of ourselves for stories and experiences that justify the
way that we feel inside. At some point in the journey,
we don't have enough mental energy to maintain the stories
and that ego belief that all of our problems are
outside of ourselves, and that's this wonderful moment that we
might be taking ourselves to. Is we might have had
to poison our entire food system and soil systems and
take biology on the entire planet to a metabolic utter collapse,
which we've done in order to see through the veil
in these bodies. Because the dense shield of the ego
that's dominated the human experiments for at least thousands of
years and has bred our empire horise and fall, the
exploitation of ecosystems, the exploitation of children and women, the
exploitation and killing of men at younger and younger ages
in war or otherwise. We're going to keep repeating that
pattern as we see unfolding in Ukraine, Gaza, Israel, Syria,
you name the place. The United States and the CIA
has been a part of seventy eight wars globally over
the last fifty years, and so we're going to keep
that going for as long as we can't see past
this belief system of we are separate from everything and.
Speaker 2: Therefore we have to war for everything.
Speaker 3: What can dismantle such a dense belief system? What can
dismantle a universal belief that we are separate from nature?
If you ask anybody are you separate from nature? Are
you really separate from Nature's nature? To avoid in your body?
We though sit there and be like, no, no, no,
I'm part of nature. But if you go read the
Oxford English Dictionary, it says that nature is everything in
the firmanent of the earth, the minerals of the plants,
to the animals, as opposed to humans or anything humans
have made. So we didn't just write ourselves out in
it nature. We rid ourselves into opposition with nature in
our definition. And that's what group think. Does you ask
any individual are you outside of nature? You separate from nature? No? No, no,
But you ask any group of people is nature for
you or against you?
Speaker 2: We go immediately to this.
Speaker 3: What we got to protect ourselves from germs, We got
to protect ourselves from macroeconomies. We got to protect ourselves
from the Chinese, or the Russians or the thing what like?
How is it that as soon as we put five
or six or ten human brains together, suddenly we are
outside of nature. And I believe it's because of this vibrational,
you know, kind of harmonic that we can hit together.
Is our egoic brain does believe we're separate, does believe
we're rejected.
Speaker 2: Therefore the ego.
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Speaker 3: And so you put a few of those together, and
suddenly we're in this alternate reality of nature against humans.
And in that reality, the only logical thing is I
need more comfort, I need more convenience, I need no
more protection.
Speaker 2: For all that, I need more wealth. There's only a
few hours in the day.
Speaker 3: I'm not able to build seventy houses a week. And
so since I can't be productive enough to create that wealth,
and them have to create an abstract economy in which
I extract from distant people that I can't see. And
so I need to put a food system under slave labor.
I need my commodities market to be slave labor to
China and South Asia and all that to make my
genes so that I can wear pants for fifteen dollars.
We create all these abstract economies to justify and hide
slave labor for the convenience and sense of safety, and
that sense of wellness, a sense of economic capacity that's
all fake.
Speaker 2: And so we're doing all that.
Speaker 3: So what would it take if world wars aren't enough
to wake us up and continue to iterate. I think
the only thing left was, let's poison ourselves to the
point where we don't have enough energy left to keep
these stories going. And so we may be taking ourselves
into this pattern of complete utter collapse of the biology
so that we can just for a moment, see the
truth is that we were birthed here through our own intelligence.
We can say it's God, but it's really you. Your
soul knit that thing together in your mother's womb, and
you are here iterating a life that's aging so that
it can see all the beauty of a world from
all the different perspectives. Sitting with my grandfather on a
veranda while he smokes cigarettes to his death was a
different experience than sitting on the floor building legos with
my son at age two. He's got such a different
perspective at age two than the eighty two year old
grandfather who's dying of a cigarette smoking and they're both beautiful,
and so why do we age? I think it's because
we want to because we want to see all of
the beauty of the world in this finite couple breasts
that we call human infinite soul wants to see it
from every one of those perspectives.
Speaker 1: This shift that we're going through right now, this cycle
that's ending, it seems that it's very similar to our
personal journey. It mirrors our personal journeys, our collective journeys,
mirroring our personal journey, which is I don't know about you,
but there were moments in my life where I didn't
listen to the nudges of the universe and uh, and
it's sledgehammer comes. It starts as a whisper, then a nudge,
and then the sledgehammer comes. And we are now in
the sledgehammer portion of our collective, like we didn't listen
for years, and now we're at that place where like
we gotta go, we gotta go to rock bottom, and
it might be to a rock bottom that we cannot
come back out of. On a on a biological, biological,
biological framework which just changed completely from what we know.
Speaker 2: And that's laid out in a lot of texts that
you study. You know, I'm yoging on on down.
Speaker 3: If you look at the Judeo Christian side, or you
look at this perspective that would be put out there
by any of the lineages you've studied, it's all pointing
us to this, this thing of an awakening. Right, we're
going to wake up, and here's the path to wakening up.
And so we have a christ figure or a Yogananda
disappearing at very young ages, and the experience that they
left behind was a message of this truth is inherent
to everything. You don't have to go find it. It's
inside of you. You don't need a teacher, you don't
need a guru, you don't need I mean, this is
the Guru's telling us this. Stop putting me on the pedestal.
I'm here to tell you it's inside of you. Look inside,
Look inside. We have no place else to look when
we completely collapse. And so when we think of an illness,
whether it be mental health or the flu, we end
up in bed. We get to these points of sickness
that we have branded as a bad thing so that
we can rebirth.
Speaker 2: I believe that the body uses these.
Speaker 3: Moments of collapse to give you enough stillness so you
begin the birthing process again. I hit my major depression
in two thousand and nine twenty ten. I had to
go that low where I'm contemplating on a daily basis
and excess strategy to.
Speaker 2: Get out of my human body.
Speaker 3: I had to get there before I was still enough,
because before that I was a mad machine of productivity.
I was working one hundred hours a week in hospitals.
I was raising my kids. I had started a construction
coming building houses. I was building my own house in
the woods. Like it turns out, you know, twenty four
hours time seven, that's pretty amazing. You've got like a
one hundred and sixty eight hours a week. Like, oh
my gosh, go dude, Like there's so many hours in
a week, Like you can pour it in like forty
hour work week. Great, I can work three jobs at once,
sleep for four hours. Look at how productive. That's the
drive that was inside of me. And it was insane.
It wasn't healthy. It wasn't good for my marriage, it
wasn't good for my kids, it wasn't good for me.
I had to the frenetic energy inside of me was
was this, I think ultimately fear, guilt, shame, paradigm that
I wasn't enough, I wasn't doing enough, I wasn't providing enough,
wasn't experience enough, and I had to crash that ship
completely until so that I would hold still. And one
of those first times that I held still was at
the end of two thousand and nine, when I was just.
Speaker 2: I had nothing left.
Speaker 3: I was my research had been shut down by pharmaceutical company,
and seventeen years of academia, I wasn't making sense. I
thought I was gonna be a lifetime academission. I thought
I was gonna be the chair of the department. I thought,
you know then dean of the med school. Like I
had this beautiful forty year career that they had mapped
out for me. I'm like, you'll do this, and then
you do this, and you'll get awards every year. We'll
make sure we give you a plaque every year. And
so I already had a wall of plaques that were
just like junk like plastic things that had my name.
I'm like, why what is this thing? What am I
doing here? I couldn't figure out what I was doing here.
So I had to crash that thing completely, and in
that silence, I just started calling out to the universe, God,
divine whatever.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even put a word.
Speaker 3: I was just like, please, if there's a way for
me to be a living sacrifice, keep me alive and
use this body for something else. But this isn't working,
like this is clearly a poor use of a human
and genius, a human miracle put me into something else.
And it was just that stillness in that surrender, and
then my womb of a life turned back on and
I started creating stuff that I couldn't imagine just a
few months earlier. And so companies came through, and ideas
for the future came through, and the nature to start
birthing itself through the.
Speaker 2: Womb of a human.
Speaker 3: And I have experienced being a genitive center for a
long time now. Sometimes the projects go really well. Sometimes
a lot of times the project seemed.
Speaker 2: Like peter out. But they cited a lot of us
on the way.
Speaker 3: They're all doing something in the field that I don't understand,
and I've stopped metricing them of like they made money
or they didn't make money, or they were there for
three years, they were there for three months, as an
idea never came to fru a shit, and we have
to stop worrying about and defining the success of our
ideas based on their economic impact. Is an idea coming through?
Let that thing burn through and see what it has.
And it's a thing of its own, and it's coming
through you, which means is probably coming through dozens of
other humans on the planet. Can you attract them to
you so that you suddenly have a team of twelve
people that are visioning this thing in rather than you
taking on as a personal burden of like, oh, I
had this vision, now I have to.
Speaker 2: Go do it.
Speaker 3: But I had to crash the ship, just as you
were talking about with the sledgehammer fact. And I've had
to do it multiple times since then. And what I've
found is that it's much more effective for me to
just intentionally run into the wall every morning as soon
as I wake up, just be like, smash it into
the wall and stop for a moment and be like,
you know, just and for me, the smash into the
wall thing tends to be, you know, an intentional process
of silence. If you can bring even a small part
of you into silence, it becomes the all that everything
else will smash into so all of my busy thoughts,
all of my you know, drive, and it's like adrenaline
of like, let's go do it, and what's my email,
what's my WhatsApp?
Speaker 2: What's the things?
Speaker 3: He's gonna be crash all of that into the silence
for a moment and then let the day birth through
you again today. And it's been a lot more effective
way to be alive ultimately. And it's not easy because
it's I think, challenge the relationships and work around me,
in particular because I'm not a typical, you know, founder
CEO kind of guy. Like most people are like, I'm
gonna have an excess strategy in four years. I'm like,
I don't even know if I'm gonna be out of
the womb in four years. I know it's an idea that.
Speaker 2: It looks like it could change the world.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's good now, maybe it's relevant in three hundred years,
but I don't understand. I certainly don't have that mind
inside of me that's like I'm gonna raise the capital
and do the thing and KPIs and row asm, but
all those acronyms and things and things, I'm like, ah,
so that would make a good business. But is that
the way that nature wants to work through me? And
I've found that no, Nature's not actually awesome, not concerned
about their ROAs of the idea, and so I don't
take any vitamins.
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Speaker 3: But I've been drinking dirt water for fifteen years now,
and that's what came through me was Nature revealing that
fossil soils had the missing link between our old biology
and this new disease of biology today. And so our
team started extracting those soil elements about fifteen years ago,
put those into supplements more than a dozen years ago,
and so we have these liquid supplements that people all
over the world are now drinking that are tying them
back to the original intelligence of the microbiome. And it
turns out that's the intelligence by which we coordinate life
within the mother's womb or within our body that has
to rebirth every monionth of a second. You have to
have wireless communication network and running to achieve that, because
if one cell can't talk to the other, you start
to fundamentally h faster, and you start to this process
of disease of disconnection or isolation at the cellular level.
Speaker 2: And so we were very blessed by a whole series.
Speaker 3: Of events to discover that the soil is making that
communication at work, and that are modern soils around the
world today that have uniformly been poisoned by chemicals that
disrupt that communication at work. Nature has been graceful enough
to leave us a record of that and her fossil soils,
and so, sixty million years ago, before the last extinction,
she put rich data banks of information in this wireless
communication network into her reservoir. There that would be the
antidote to the life state that we're pouring into our
soils today. And so this makes me believe that Earth
is an organism, oh yeah, and that organism is far
more intelligent, and it is probably working in a fifth
dimensional environment where she's never allowed an injury to occur
in the future that already doesn't have a solution, a
genin Avengine that already knows all of the potential stressors
in her own system and has built an environment in
which those can be ameliorated by more.
Speaker 1: Connection, Beautifully said, sir, beautifully said, I wanted to go
back for a second on something you talked about when
you were in hospice and you saw so many souls
leaving in those nd experiences, did you ever see or
have a personal like shared death experience or something like
that though you felt it in the room, And what
were some of the common things that all of them
said or saw as they were Because I've heard I've
had many other hospice professionals on the show, and then
also mediums and things like that, who tell me what
is happening during the deathbed cycle? Who comes? How many
days before they come? Things like that, I'm curious from
your point of view what you saw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of there's a lot of moments where
I just regret that I wasn't more aware at that
time than I was. But even in the state that
I was in where I was slowly coming up out
of my dream of the three D realm and starting
to be able to feel the multi dimensional stuff, I
was very very young in that process at that point
that I was doing the hospice work, and so I'd
say I was experiencing it from the perspective of a
non expert in death, in the sense that when you
get a medium. In here you get somebody who's working
with multi dimensionals or elementals. These people have come in
or have developed a gift of understanding the multi dimensionals,
feeling it, communicating with it. That I certainly didn't have
that point and barely have at this point. And so
that's my disclaimer, is like, you're now going to listen
to the perspective of somebody who was so dominantly believing
the three dimensional reality, and so I was seeing. There's
a scripture actually that I think really resonates here is
that I was seeing through the glass darkly. It's a
scripture from Psalms, I believe, and we see through the
glass darkly as the scripture, and what it's describing is
the experience of stained glass in a church, and so
you look through stained glass and you get a sense of, oh, yeah,
there's some sunshine back there, or it's nighttime, or maybe
there's a shadow that passes if somebody walks in front
of the window, but you certainly can't see any detail.
That's what it says humans are always doing. We're looking
through the glass darkly, and so we cannot actually see
any of the reality. And so we get this version
of it, and it's beautiful because it's stained glass, it's
spectacular and so we can see the colors and we
can see the beauty of it all, but we can't
actually see what's happening behind the glass.
Speaker 2: And so that's how I feel about the death. Thing is.
Speaker 3: I heard spectacular stories from people who suddenly we're on
the other side and come back. But the limitations of
my experience with that is I kept in my mind saying, oh,
that's on the other side of the veil and over here,
that's not happening. In these last ten years, I've met
with so many indigenous pupils and wisdom keepers and science.
You know, Indigenous science is the whole secret to everything.
The Kabbala is one of the oldest sciences on the earth.
And the Kabbala and the intelligence of the Khoi and
the San people of Africa, that's one hundred thousand year
oral history there. The intelligence of design and connectivity and
sensing into nature, the ability for remote viewing and non
local you know, influences of nature and back and forth
of the Aboriginal peoples and the Maori. They've taught me
what I was missing in all those near death experienced witnesses.
Is I kept thinking, we're having this three D experience
and then we can go to this other place that's
five D or seventeen D, and that's right here the
three That's very hard to keep that in mind. If
that's not something that's going to happen after death, that's
something that's happening right now. And so in this room
are multi dimensionals, elementals what we call them. We could
call them ghosts and ancestors.
Speaker 2: We could call them spirit guides, spirit guides, we could
call them aliens.
Speaker 1: We could send it masters, send masters.
Speaker 3: All of these stories and titles that we put on
them are real, and they are here right now in
these seven dimensions of reality, at least that that's sit
here on the planet simultaneously right now in this environment.
Speaker 2: And yet we're still having the experience of you and
I are alone in this room.
Speaker 3: And so when I was experiencing near death experiences, I
was listening to the stories, but I wasn't feeling the reality. Well,
and now that I sit with my own life, I
can feel my own death every day and I can
actually experience what they were telling me while I'm still
in my biology because I'm starting to learn how to
let go of the belief that I am solid and
realize in this moment, I can close my eyes, I
can go month the dimensional.
Speaker 2: I can sense who's here. And as soon as I
do that, you feel it. You feel who's in the
room with you. You.
Speaker 3: For some reason, we're all capable of knowing their identities,
like who is that?
Speaker 2: What is that being right next to me?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 3: And it varies like sometimes it's these five, sometimes it's
these three, sometimes it's this one. But I have never
gone into that space of who's around me and found nobody.
We are so cared for, and we are so nurtured, protected, nurtured, known,
We are seen at levels that we can't see ourselves,
and just knowing that can heal the original wound of humanity,
which is we are separate.
Speaker 2: Therefore we aren't seen.
Speaker 3: Everybody runs around here in all of our kind of
neo spiritualism, we run around these circles being like, well,
I'm unseen. I'm looking for my king that can see me,
and I'm gonna see. I'm a queen, so I'm gonna
I've seen it and heard it so much it's like,
really like we're all king and queens like that seems convenient.
Like I'm pretty sure that I'm just like a kid,
like my souls just like this kid.
Speaker 2: I don't like the king like everyone's cleat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I need to be a king like that
seems like a pretty lonely job. It seems like it'd
rather be kind of a farmer, like grow some food
and hang out at night. I want to I would
like to run a.
Speaker 2: Pub probably, like that would be kind of wra Like I.
Speaker 3: Can see some other paths other than having to be
the king all the time. And so it's this weird
projection that we have into that spiritual space that we
would even call it a king, Like it's like what
we're really reaching for when we say king and queen
that I think could really clean up this near spiritual
is a sovereignty. We know we are sovereign beings, and
if we need to call that king and queen for now,
I guess that's fine, Like who really cares? But I
think it would feel like a relief to me if
if all these women weren't looking to me to be
a king, and I wasn't looking to all these men
to check if I'm a bigger king than them, you know, like,
let's just put all that hierarchical regalness down and just realize,
I am sovereign. I am unchanging. I have been a mountain,
and I have been a star, and I have been
a planet, and I have been a seedling sprouting out
of new soil. I am a child in the womb
of a mother. I am the mother with a child
within my womb. I am I am, I am, I
am sovereign. Nothing you can do can change me. Nothing
I can experience can change me. But everything I experience
can enrich me. And so we are very clear in
a lot of religious texts and understandings that there is
no free will. And then biologically, and then let alone
and get into quantum physics, it's impossible that me, as
a single, little conscious fractal of the universe, could suddenly
decide to change directions as a free will agent billions
of interactions that are happening inside even just a single neuron,
let alone the quantum of tangled environment around me, that
would allow me to actually be a free agent here
and like decide alone that I'm going to go do something?
Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't you?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: With that said, though, like with free I'd love to
dive into this a little bit. With free will, at
any moment, we can change our trajectory, our ourdea. And
from what I've understood through my talking to gurus and
mystics and mediums and so on, is that.
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Speaker 1: We have free will and a free choice to kind
of go off, and sometimes we go off the path
that we're supposed to be on the blueprint if you will,
if you want to go down the Soule blueprint and
that stuff that we chose to like, Hey, you were
going to be a doctor and you're going to go
through all these experiences and get to where you're at.
I came in from Florida, not from La but I
I came in from Florida to become a filmmaker, which
is like, why would you do that to me? It
was so impossible to get off the ground there I
did if. I always said, like if I was just
born in La, oh my god, I would have just
taken off right away because it would have been in
my system. So I was born that way. But I
could go astray and I have and maybe I chose,
maybe I perceived that I have. I opened up an
olive oil store once. Long story, that would you regret
that I regret. The experience was more difficult than almost
anything I've ever done prior great so difficult, yes, So
looking back, I wouldn't change it perfect looking back, I
wouldn't because it makes me. It makes me who I am, exactly,
it makes.
Speaker 2: Me who I am, so how an important.
Speaker 1: But the point is that I could have kept going,
and I was about to continue to go if it
wasn't for my wife. It's like, no, we're stopping. Get
back on the right road. So I went off the
off the journey a little bit, but then came back.
And from what I've heard is the farther you go
off the journey, those nudges, those sledgehammers, those to the
point where sometimes you like get into your death experience,
you have to die to stop you from where you
were going, to get you back on the path. What
do you think of that theory?
Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's true, But I think what's not
true is that there was a straight line that was
drawn there that you were supposed to stay on. No. Yeah,
so I think you know, I think the wandering is
designed right by nature.
Speaker 1: So so I agree with you one hundred percent. From
what I understand from my studies is that when you're
doing the sole blueprint, your sole contract, there are mile
markers laid out. How you get to those mile markers
is completely up to you, but you will hit these.
Speaker 3: You will hit these mile markers no matter what, and
the wandering is necessary to make them as rich as
they can be.
Speaker 2: Yah and love that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I never really thought of the wandering.
Speaker 2: It's that gand Off quote. All those that are lost
or not, you know, all those that wander are not lost.
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful way of looking at it.
Speaker 3: You have to wander because there is not a straight
line in the flow of the universe.
Speaker 1: Of course not there's straight line in nature.
Speaker 3: There's no straight line in nature because of an expression
of the feminine, and the masculine is rigid straight lines
throughout the space time, and so the grid of the
universe is is in witness to the flow through it,
and so the masculine is not. We often are told
that it's holding space, and that's true, but I think
the downside of that is we get the misperception that
the masculine is protecting something the masculine cannot protect. The
male lion doesn't actually protect the pride. That's the females.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And so.
Speaker 3: The females are the ones that'll actually know how to protect,
and they do it through nurture rather than through war,
and they'll Lionus will kill something if it's coming to
threaten her cutups, no problem. But the number of times
she has to do that is zero. Really, she doesn't
have to kill anything because she's the lioness and they
know everything else respects that reality of like, okay, Linus
is there. Now, she might like growl at them, just
so that's everybody can see how awesome she because that's
kind of fine. Like sometimes ripple that muscle around the
neck and do your little thing and flare, because if
you're aligned, don't you want to do that?
Speaker 2: I would want to feel that. This is what it
feels like. Step off bitches, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: And so we see nature posturing and we see nature
doing all this thing, but nature is not really killing
each other. It's the predation that we see in nature
as a gifting economy, and one soul is giving itself
up to a higher experience as it goes through as
a gazelle becomes the bloodstream of a lion. It's experiencing
stacking geometries. And I've experienced this in nature deeply. When
I'm out in the ocean with this, you know, swimming
alone and suddenly got surrounded by the most massive millions
and millions of millions of sardines. For forty five minutes,
this shoal of sardines was around me. And then the
pelicans hit, and I had so entangled my awareness of
being sardine that when these pelicans hit and we're just
exploding in the water. They come into the water so
fast you can't actually see the pelican. You only see
the explosion of bubbles that they create, and then you
notice its pelicans can suddenly up above your little pelican
fleet feet. They're like kind of floating around as they
swallow the fish. And and so that explosion of when
I figured out it was pelicans, I went through a
momentary experience of like, oh, my gosh, my friends, my
my sardine experience is being eaten. And I just projected
the human you know, kind of trauma story, the prediction
the killing of them, and in a million of those seconds,
Sardines answered, and we're like, this is our elevation, this
is our ascension.
Speaker 2: We are calling this in. Don't you project that on us?
You know?
Speaker 3: This is this is our ascension, This is us going
into our higher selves. This is us going through the
matrix of life. We are ascending. And so as I've
gone through that, you find out years later, being with
the white lions in so in Africa, the same thing
understood by the Koi and the Sawn people after one
hundred thousand years of witnessing those lions. No animal is
actually killing the other. One animal is giving itself up
to it. And there's the hunt, and there's the excitement
of that for the lion, I suppose, and there's a kill,
if you will, but it's not to kill. It is
this gifting economy where the animal that's ready to go
peels off from the rest of the her every time,
like you see this in the videos of like Blue Earth,
Like why did that? If the antelope had just stayed
with the group, he wouldn't have been attacked, but he
always like peels off, and then the lions go chase
that one, and the rest of the herd goes off,
and that one tumbles down with lions and is you know,
and the lions mercifully will kill that thing to split second,
you know. And so there's this gifting economy that's happening
in all of nature, so that nature ascends. And anytime
you put one of those keystone species in a wolf
and yellowstone, a white lion in South Southern Africa, biodiversity explodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened with the.
Speaker 3: Soil improves, the rivers flow, more nature everywhere, more flora,
more fauna next door.
Speaker 2: If you put a human at the.
Speaker 3: Top of the apex, everything goes into monoculture and has destroyed.
The soils collapse, things collapse, and we can see this
from space and the rewilded white lion territory, and it's
very interesting because the fence lines that then are around
this rewilded territory have the same animals, same lion, same antelope,
same zabra, same draft, same animals. But the keystone or
the top of the species are the American hunters that
go over there and kill. And when American hunters go
over there and kill, you think, well, that's just like
the lion killing things. The results are the radical opposite
the soil goes and dies.
Speaker 2: The whole system collapses.
Speaker 3: Because the energy of the system is one where we
are no longer allowing the ascension of energy. We're driving
the energy backed down rather than up, as a human
that thinks it's separate from everything in right relationship. So
we can't function as a keystone species right now. We
are not a pathway for everything to ascend towards these
higher orders of vibration. We collapse the vibration through our
fear guilt shape. And so a hunter who's over there
to shoot something that's big so he can put it
on his wallet home to make himself feel like he's
achieved something. He said he's the king and to prove
to everybody's a bigger king, because oh, you shot a deer.
I shot a freaking lion.
Speaker 1: Shot an elephant.
Speaker 3: I shot an elephant, and it's like ludicrous. And the
vibration of that fear guilt in shame that drives that
wounded king can't help nature move upwards. And so we
are going extinct because we stepped out of our right
relationship as a keystone species. Nature can't flow through us
right now. And this is what we see in the
biohacking community just over it. You know, the godfather the
biohacking community that named it yesterday and he took me
straight into his kitchen, proud as a peacock, to show
me his pantry of supplements.
Speaker 2: It is the most.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable situation you've ever seen. I mean it's shelves after
shells after shells, and bottles of white plastic bottles with
you know, chemically derived nature.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you take this every day. He's like, well,
actually only take.
Speaker 3: This section here, armed arm one hundred and fifty tw
hundred and fifty bottles in front of him, Like, are
you hungry anymore? He's like, no, no, I don't get
much hungryculous, you know, a couple hundred capsules a day
here and there. And I'm just like, that's where the
king gets himself too. Is when you have so failed
to trust nature that your demonstration of your power is
how much extraction of nature are you controlling? Then we
have to go extinct. Nature can't play that game. It's
a dead end for nature. And so the biology is
dying within us, and so all of those nutrients that
are reading taken by biohackers all over the world can't
actually ignite life. Humans are not chemistry problems, they're biology opportunities.
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Speaker 3: To become a biologic opportunity, you have to step into
right relationship with the energies that are below the surface
of the biology, and those energies are a pathway of ascension.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by the energies.
Speaker 2: The flow of life?
Speaker 3: You mentioned there's no straight line in nature. What's happening
is geometry of space. Time is holding all of these
complex safetre geometries through which flows energy. It's energy and
the electromagnetic field, it's energy from nuclear fission, fusion events
that we call the sun energy, ch energy, electromagnetic thermal
you know, from suns from everything is energy. So energy
is infinite and it's invisible and it's unstructured until it
starts to flow through geometries. And that geometry can create
a planet, it can create an asteroid belt, it can
create a black hole. And so that's the sacred geometry
below the surface of the physical world, the biologic world,
that is allowing for these stacking functions. More and more
complexity within the system. It's inevitable. That's what the universe
has been doing since its origin. We say it's fifteen
billion years of the existence of the universe, or whatever
that number. It keeps changing. But that fifteen billion years,
if that's even a relevant concept of time, But that long,
long journey of thousands and thousands of millions of years,
Nature is simply just upgrading the flow of energy through
more and more complex geometries to create more and more
complex iterations of herself. And so this is the flow
of life. And so this is how we go through
a massive extinction fifty five million years ago with reptiles
as the dominant species, to within a couple hundred thousand
years we have blue whales in the oceans. We got
dolphins going and then with another couple hundred thousand years
we had wildflowers instead of ferns and palms, we get
deciduous trees. Suddenly nature is iterating towards these higher and
higher expressions, and death is the driver for the reinvention.
And death always breeds more biodiversity, more intelligence. And so
what we're seeing is life is a concentration of light
energy and something like an oak tree does a really
good job of concentrating energy, and so an oak tree
over its eighty year period will capture enormous amount of
sunlight and turn it into long chain carbons that we
would call it carbohydrate or a fatty acid, and put
that down into the soil. Soil microbes are digesting that
turn that into nutrients for life around it, and so
that energy center that we would call an oak tree
is concentrating light, which means it's an incredible generative opportunity.
A single celled organism like a bacteria requires maybe a
thousand times more light per cubic centimeter than the sun
can produce. Biology is the brightest thing that happens in
the universe. It's not suns. Suns are nuclear fission and fusion.
Life is brighter by logarithms. Multi seer life has to
be a ten x improvement again of energy per cubic
centimeter over single cell life, and so something like an
oak tree as a multi cellar organism, one sell knows
how to be bark, one cell knows how to be
a root, one sell knows.
Speaker 2: How to be a leaf.
Speaker 3: That miracle of coordination of differentiation with an oak tree
lives in eighty years, then it dies. It's got maybe
like a few dozen genes. It's a very simple organism genetically.
If you genetically sequence that tree trunk one year after
its death and it lies on the forest floor, it's
one hundred thousand species with over a million genes. That's
what life is doing. Life is generating out of every
time there's a concentration of light energy and it's released
in death. It goes through a million different new pathways
of ascending order to become more complex. Right now, humans
happen to be given a birthright of the opportunity to
be a keystone species. And I get to see farmers
starting to step back into their right relationship with nature.
They stop spraying chemicals, they stop plowing the soil up,
they start trusting the earth to do something more intelligent,
and they start to surrender their entire farm to be
the womb of Mother Earth again, and she starts bringing
forth such bounty. And I've seen farmers in a single
two year three year period be witnessed to an explosion
of bio diversity on their land, and the rivers do
start flowing again and everything else. I've seen farmers become wolves.
I've seen farmers become white lions. In their right relationship
to the earth, they become an ascending pathway for the
energies of the earth around them to start to ascend again. Beautiful,
you have to surrender your life that's within you and
around you to the divine to create through. And if
you will do that, then you're in right relationship. If
you stop doing the farm, if you stop trying to
produce sixty bushels of corn from peraker, if you stop
doing life. When we do it to the nature, we
kill it. We bring a descending spiral into a natural system,
and therefore we're gonna create monocultures everywhere.
Speaker 2: That's just in South Africa.
Speaker 3: You've got four million acres of monoculture trees that have
sucked the entire water table of South Africa out of
the ground. Is now desertifying the whole country. There's no
water to drink in Cape Town because they created millions
of acres of monoculture eucalyptus and pine forests that are
not natural, and those trees are sucking the water table
out of a whole country. That is the birth canal
for the whole planet. If South Africa dies, the whole
world dies in its genetic generation. And so we are
that that's what it looks like to step out of
our keystone relationship. Wow, and it's our path, this is
our wander. Well are we off the track? Well, if
you say that we were born to be a keystone species,
clearly we're off the track. We're taking our ourselves into extinction.
We've had a seventy percent decline in birth rates, you know,
around the world. We've got United States is on an
extinction pathway, our birth rate's one point sixty one. Anything
under two point one, you're you're in an extinction path.
Every tense below two point one you take another generation off.
Though we're a few generations out from extinction, Japan and
China are already going extinct. So Asia is going extinct actively.
Weve thirty million empty residences in Tokyo alone by twenty
thirty five, you know, like we are disappearing as a
species actively. We're too caught up in our own story
of too many humans and climate change and global economies
and tariffs, Like we're so distracted by the chaos of
our collapse, so we don't even realize how deep it is.
We don't realize that the extinction is already unfolding, and
we keep thinking like, well, it's in the future, we
might have a problem. The problem was fifty years ago.
The collapse is now. The future is the question in question.
And really we just have this few moments left to
step into right relationship with nature. And when we say
stepping into right relationship, it's coming back into that keystone species.
And how do you do that. You've got to turn
your backyard back over to nature. Stop with this weed
spraying in the Kentucky bluegrass and the white picket fence
that is killing the planet. We have forty million acres
of grass in the backyards of houses in the United
States alone, forty million acres of Kentucky blue grass. It
wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. What
was there before was over a couple hundred species of
grasses and deep deep savannah energies and seed banks that are.
Speaker 2: Still under there.
Speaker 3: If you would just stop doing Kentucky blue grass, it
would come back. So stop doing the grass and the
lawn and the thing and let nature go there. And
then you've got to rewild your own self. You've got
to rewild your heart. You got to rewild your womb.
You've got to rewild your mind. Let the weeds grow
up for a moment. The weeds are bringing in biodiversity.
That then we'll remember the original seed bank and all
of the riches and bounties that were you before or
will come back. You will grow wild again. You can
be a line. You can be the gazelle jumping through
the forest. You can be that tree frog singing through
the night on a tree. You can be the owl
that can see in the dark. You can become all
of that if you will allow yourself to rewild out
of your own story of diminished relationship to nature, and
that divorce from nature is a fake story. You never
were dropped by nature. She is holding you and she's
waiting for you to step in the right relationship to
become a keystone.
Speaker 1: Species, beautifully said Zach beautifully said. I wanted to touch
on something you said earlier when you brought up remote viewing,
and that's you know, when you start talking about remote
viewing and psychic phenomenon, it is something that definitely goes
against your medical training for sure. Can you I'd love
to hear your thoughts on what you You've obviously studied this,
you've obviously seen it, a lot of it, probably a
lot of what we're about to talk about in the
indigenous cultures as well. What is your take on psychic phenomenon,
on mediumship, on those kind of things. I'm just curious
from a scientific but you're a scientifically trained person, but
you're obviously very deep in the spiritual and esoteric as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this story of in Judeo Christian literature that
after the resurrection, Yeshua appears into this group of disciples
and the disciples fall on their feet or fall on
their knees and are obviously struck dumb with this possibility
that this human has come back from the grave and
they're having this experience and immediately there's this beautiful, you.
Speaker 2: Know, experience and trust.
Speaker 3: But there's one of them that has to come and
inspect the wounds in his wrists to make sure it's
physically real, and he wants to put his finger in
the wound.
Speaker 2: That's me.
Speaker 3: I have a very hard time trusting something I haven't
put my finger in, and I am sad about that
because the reason that is is because I don't know
how to feel my body. Well, I don't know how
to feel the truth as well as I should. And
so because of that, over my lifetime, I've really needed
to put my finger in the wound of the biology
to say, Okay, it is real, it's there.
Speaker 2: I can't. And so somebody tells me their spiritual belief
system or whatever. I'm like, Okay, let me check that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go stick my finger in the wounds, and
I'm gonna stick my finger everywhere until I figure out
if that fits the reality that I'm living in. And
so the medium thing I didn't believe at all, and
I thought it was just a distraction to the truth
for much of my early life. And then I started
into this hospice work.
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Speaker 3: And it was just happening too often that these people
that were just recently departed were coming back to talk
to their ancestors, to the people that were still living.
And so it was starting to be like a daily
or weekly thing, whereas like, Okay, I got to address
this situation, and I need to stick my finger in
this reality and like feel this thing. And so I
started you know, talking to mediums with more curiosity and
all of this because in particular with what happened with
a girl that died in my clinic. She died at
age twelve, and she had a horrible loss use star coma,
which is a tumor that's now become very common in children.
When I started my medical training is early in the
early nineteen nineties, this did not happen in children, but
today it's unfortunately become extremely common. It used to be
a cancer that we'd see in eighty year olds, but
now our two year olds are somehow aging so fast
due to our kind of collective biologic stress that they're
exhibiting these cancers that didn't used to happen in children.
She died at age twelve, and it was a super intimate,
you know, experience with her and her family and that
last year because she was exactly the same age as
my daughter and had the same name as my daughter.
And so I had this journey of me as a
father trying to imagine what you know, so I didn't
have to imagine. I was watching the experience of watching
parents die with the same experience that I was having
as a parent, And so it just made it very,
very vivid and in living color, vivid experience. I was
walking into that death experience with those parents, and that
young woman never wavered like she was so not once
did she show us any fear of guilt, shame, any confusion.
She knew she wasn't off her path, like she knew
she had hit the right note, you know, and her departure,
you know, And within you know, weeks of leaving, she
reached through a medium that was out in California that
didn't know the family, didn't know, anybody didn't nobody had
ever known this medium. But the child starts speaking through
this thing. The medium calls the mother and being like,
your daughter just told me to reach out to you,
and she's trying to communicate with you. And so then
I went on a two year journey with that medium
in that family, and that was me sticking my finger
in the wound and really feeling the physical reality of
being on the other side of the.
Speaker 2: Veil, communicating directly with it.
Speaker 3: And her mother and I were both in such doubt
that this was really happening, that we really pushed Alyssa
to show us for sure we might be Is this
a trick? You know, we were like really bringing a
lot of doubt and really fear, guilt, shame to the equation,
and Alyssa just kept reaching through, kept reaching through, kept
reaching through and showing us beyond a shadow of doubt,
that she's right there, present, and she is speaking to us,
and she can see us in the moment. She can
see what color our shirts were, she could see the
patterns that were on her mother's shirt and see the
Disney character that was on the shirt. Like so specific
and so is those times that shattered my doubt, that
shattered my and as I feel into the reality around
us now, it's such a blessing that there is no end.
Speaker 2: Death is not an end.
Speaker 3: We all step into our right relationship with the divine
those last couple of breaths, and we look back on
the wandering path of a life and be like, sweet,
I hit every single one of the noes that a
universe had me designed for. The wandering is perfect, perfect
because I experienced and then transmuted pain and suffering through
each of those because I became human and the human
heart is uniquely equipped to transmute suffering into joy, pain
and loss into unconditional love. And I did that through
my journey, and if I haven't, if I didn't have
the wandering path, I wouldn't have been able to heal
so much. And I want to become an ascendant pathway
for physics and energy to flow through. I wouldn't have
been alive if I had just done it. Come in
and try to do a straight line. Nature doesn't do
the straight line. Energy is in flow. The Olive Oil
Company was absolutely the necessary thing to get you to
this point for reasons that you and I could never.
Speaker 2: Figure it out.
Speaker 3: We have no idea, but it's impossible that you got
off the road. You've always been on the perfect path
because your path is actually the amalgamation of all of
life ascending. You've got trillions of microbes that are speaking
directly into your neurologic system to create a thought that's
not a human thought you're having, that is an ecosystem
thinking through you. We now know that there's billions of
neurons that reach past the gut lining to communicate directly
with the bacteria in fung guy in your gut lining.
And we now know that there's no generative center of
information in the brain. It's a central processing unit it's
a CPU chip, just like sits in my phone. My
phone will sit there for eons if you let it,
and you keep it charged and everything else. It will
never write a text message, It will never do anything.
It will just sit there until somebody's fingers type on
the keyboard. The brain can't come up with an idea.
The brain will just sit there until somebody types some
information into the keyboard. And the fingers on the keyboard
of the human biology are not human. They are microbes.
Microbes in their constant iteration of life and their constant
interconnectedness or typing information into your neurology and your experiences.
Having a human thought, but it can't be human because
you aren't the fingers on the keyboard. And so when
you think about do humans have free will, we can't
even have a free thought, let alone take action on
that thought. That wouldn't be somehow the amalgamation of the
intelligence and the creativity of all of nature within us.
Speaker 1: We were talking before before we came on about ancestral
trauma that we have been going through and specifically these
last hundred years. We were talking about the Civil War,
World War One, and World War Two all happened within
a seventy year period that's heard of in the history
of humanity. I mean there's been wars.
Speaker 3: Now, the scale of those wars and that pack together
never happened, never happened.
Speaker 1: And then also during that seventy year period, we went
from horse and buggies, you know, to ai where we
are now. Like it's been so fast even in our lifetime.
Speaker 2: It's so I mean.
Speaker 1: The seventies a lot different than it is today and
that's fifty years ago. Yeah, it's not a lot in
the scope of humanity's times. Split second, it's a split second,
So everything's speeding up so much. But as far as
the trauma that we went through these let's just say
it from the Civil War to now, but specifically those
three wars, because we've had a few since then, what
happened to our generations that felt those and what is
how is that kind of rippling throughout history or throughout
throughout history to where we are right now.
Speaker 3: So there's two levels of that biologically, with those collective
traumas of put into motion in our extinction through the
biology of trauma and the way in which it's stored
in DNA, and the parallel path to that I would
say is a path of ascension where it would have
been impossible to generate the level of intelligence and creativity
that this Earth has produced in the last one hundred
years without all of the death. What happens when a
human crosses the veil, when the soul lets go of
the human crosses the veil is better way of saying that,
So what happens there? Well, the near death experiences are
giving us a sense of that your experiential awareness of
the relationship of humans to that nature increases. And if
there is no end, and you immediately as a soul,
can reconnect to biology, and you can become the white lion,
or you can become the carrot, or you can become
the Earth. The collective energy of souls being concentrated on
this planet and dying and living and dying and living
and dying living at this rate, I kind of doubt
that the same eight billion people that are here today
are the same souls that are here a couple of
years from now. But there's probably some iteration in there.
And whatever the souls are generating here is remembered in
our water, it's remembered in the quantum entangled Earth. Itself,
and so the faster we pump lives through here, it's
a metabolic cycle. There's a metabolism too in the intelligence
and consciouness of the universe, as death, life, death, life, death,
life happens, so on the energetic path, all of these wars,
all of the human birth and death and birth and death,
is driving the speeding up of the metabolic intelligence of
this planet and the species that are on it. I
don't think we would have had cell phones and AI
systems if we hadn't had three massive wars. I think
we needed the level of death to create them, the
level of birth of not just human flesh, but human ideas,
human consciousness. I am shocked at the social consciousness that
shifted from my grandfather's generation to my daughter and then
to my grandson. You know, and those short few generations.
My grandson is able to be him. He's able to
express exactly who he is. His generation has let go
of the need to express what gender they are, what
sexuality they are. My generation spend all kinds of time
figuring out like, well we're allowed to be this, and
well we're not that.
Speaker 2: What were this? And so we were so.
Speaker 3: Busy characterizing things and making everything separate and so eager
to create the alphabet soup of sexual identity and gender
idenny like we did that as our generation.
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Speaker 3: My children's generation came along and they were taught that
of like, well, you gonna be free to be LGBTQ, and.
Speaker 2: They kind of tried that out.
Speaker 3: And I think that generation is now like like all
the things between an L and a B, Like why
are we trying to like get it down to five letters?
Like maybe just maybe we just have eight billion souls
that are expressing themselves through biology right now. And then
my grandson's generation, and my grandson just started college and
I'm watching him churning away with his generation is there.
They didn't get exposed in the same way to the
alphabet soup that my kid's generation, and they've been welcomed
into this much more fluid experience of just express yourself.
And there's some great challenges in that because without the framework,
the human mind can freak out, and so rates of depression, anxiety,
and all this can be quite high. I think when
you're losing the framework of the egoic mind telling you
you fit into this little tribe of here, so you're accepted.
When there's no more you know, little tribes to fit
into and there's starting to be a human experience altogether.
That's nerve wracking because you don't have the comfort of
your little click, you know.
Speaker 1: Is that because you're looking for for things outside of yourself.
You're looking for the answers out there side of yourself,
You're looking for the framework outside of yourself. But the
gurus and the saints and the ascended masters and the
walking masters understand that that's all within you. And that's
why they are unwaivered.
Speaker 2: Like they don't stop looking outside yourself for your tribe. Yeah,
the tribes inside you.
Speaker 1: We're all part of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're all sovereign, you know. So that's and
I think that's the unique thing that we lose when
we start to think about you know, unity, consciousness and
one world government.
Speaker 2: And we got to.
Speaker 3: Hold on to the duality of that, and that the
individual sovereignty of a soul is real. It is a
practical of the divine that will never change. And it's
not the same as the other souls. It's part of
the same thing, but you know it's part of the
same hole, but it as a fractal of it carries
its unique signature that is known as the biology. My
biology is different than yours because of the quantum entanglement
with my soul. I can take the blood out of
an idea, took a twin and put it into the other,
and the identical twin will react to that a melian
and kill the blood. The identity is not in the genes.
Identical twins are different because they've been imprinted with a
different identity. And it's seen that the biology is different.
And see, even the biology can sense the difference of
the energy field rather than the genetics. I find that
quite amazing, Like, wow, our immune system, these little dumb
antibiotes that just float around can sense the difference between
that soul and that soul.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And why do you think that the medical field, biology, academia,
they can't wrap their head around the soul. They can't
because they can't stick their finger in it. As you
so lovely example was that they sense that like, no,
if it's not this, it doesn't exist. And then we
find out through quantum physics and other things well this
doesn't exist either. Now it's actually not the solid it's
a perception. It's a perception, which then your head starts
to hurt and you start thinking about these things.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the answer.
Speaker 3: It just hurts your head to try to really put
the human human brain and responsibility of understanding the universes
a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so then I.
Speaker 3: Don't think we can think our way and understanding the universe,
but we can feel our way there, it's beautifully said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: And the more I go down these roads and the
more I do my own studies into this, in all
of these fields, feeling is becoming much more important to
me than.
Speaker 2: Mental and trying to understanding. Yeah, chasing after the wind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, Yogananda said us so beautifully. He
really never read books. He experienced everything. He tapped in
directly to source. He tapped into the energy field of
Ababa Gee or these kind of they tap in and
they they It's like when a book is so limiting,
when you could tap into the internet, let's say the
cloud is the universe, and being able to type into
that source energy is so much more potent. And I
feel that more and more now as I'm starting to
as I started to meditate more and go deeper into
my meditations, into my own spiritual practices, I'm starting to
feel things and understand things that I never understood before.
Like you and I have a common friend, Robert Edward Grant,
who's a lovely man, but he can go off like
hard and you just trying to hold on tight for
the for the ride. But when I'm talking to Robert,
we have a conversation and I'm getting what he's taught.
And I've said this to them, I go, It's amazing
to me that I'm talking to a polymath and I
failed math in high school. But yet I'm able to
talk to you about these complex ideas sitting down with
you today, just I am understanding what you're saying, but
I didn't read that anywhere I feel it. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what I hope everybody walks away
from as that's the genius of children, as they are
feeling the reality. And so when you're a four year
old is staring out the window and a car ride
in the back and suddenly says, Mom, do you think
it's possible that we're just inside the body of God.
What as a parent, You're just like what excuse me?
Because I was just thinking about, like, you know, lunch,
Like what what are you doing in the backseat, Like
what's going on? Like it just like I was just
frustrated about my bank account and are we Is it
possible that we're in the body of God? Yeah, that's
that's actually possible. Thank you for reorienting me. So that's
where we come from, is complete connectivity, and the wisdom
is at our fingertips. It's it's everywhere, and so we
are dialed into that internet of everything at every and
so it's a learned capacity to forget everything. And so
our education system is what we created for that. And
so we created an education system to train people out
of their knowingness. Yes, and it starts at five years old,
and now, unfortunately it starts at two. People throw their
kids into preschools at age two, and they're very pleased
when their kid can like do one plus one equals to,
which isn't even true, is what Robert Grant will tell you.
And so yeah, it's so they learn the wrong stuff
to cover up the right stuff and break their relationship
to the knowledge field. Because there's no control of sovereign
beings that know everything, and so systems that see themselves
separate from nature that need to consolidate wealth in the
hopes of staving off some dangerous future where they don't
have enough, are going to have to train their train
all of the peoples to be programmed out of the
knowingness and start to rely on education.
Speaker 1: My children are some of my great teachers. Annoying that
where you are, Like I said, I'm twenty seven, but
it's fascinating to watch them interact with the world and
they'll look at certain things and they'll say things. The
other day they were we saw some friends from California
and they were coming in very La, very Hollywood, very
that energy. I'm sure you understand what I mean. And
they they I mean, they grew up in la and
they've been here for four years. So but after they left,
they turned to us and go, yeah, that was a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, what did you say. Yeah, they were
a lot and they do it like this, like the energy.
There's a lot coming in. There was a lot coming in.
I was like wow. Like you know, when I was
that age, I was watching transform Yeah, you know, always
you know always, you know, just like like you're like, oh.
Speaker 2: Kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I wasn't having these kind of deep understandings of the world.
There this new generation coming in. They're just programmed differently
than we were at the factory. I think they have
a different understanding of everything, and they're not falling for
the same stuff that you and I felt for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you agree, Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's and this is the beauty of
this failure of biology, you know. And so as we
dial our metabolic capacity down, because we're burning out our soils,
burning out our food system of nutrient density, we're literally
dimming the lights on humanity. As a function of dimming
the planet's metabolic capacity. So when we're talking about four
billion pounds of life esstates poured into our soils every year,
what we're talking about is diminishing the life force of
the planet. And so four billion pounds of a herb
side are being poured in And I go every two
years to the EPA every time they have an open
hearing and show them all the science of the fact
that this chemical that you keep allowing in your country
to use a billions of pounds is literally diminishing the
life force within every child that will ever be born again.
Speaker 2: They don't change. So I've given up on that.
Speaker 3: Like I'll keep talking because I feel compelled to, but
I've given up on the expectation that something's going to change.
Speaker 2: And so all we can.
Speaker 3: Do is speak our truth, speak with the beauty that
we see, tell people what we've struck our finger antition
know is real the moment, and then say this is the.
Speaker 2: Case, this is what my lived experience is.
Speaker 3: All pointed back to this reality that we are taking
ourselves to our knees biologically so that.
Speaker 2: We think more like children.
Speaker 3: Because if I don't have the energy to maintain the
bs of an education system that traded me to know
almost nothing.
Speaker 2: And then give me lots of awards for how good
I wasn't forgetting everything.
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Speaker 2: Then maybe we're on our right path.
Speaker 3: Maybe we just had to poison ourselves so severely that
we can no longer make up the stories.
Speaker 1: Is that why does Europe have that? Is that allowed
in Europe? That pest aside?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's everywhere. Every continent is using it. The
first country that will actually be free of it will
be Russia. Russia will be the very first or completely
organic food system could be this year.
Speaker 2: Even they're really on track. They're doing great.
Speaker 1: Really, that's fascinating. Yeah, they do think that that Russia
is not the most forward thinking.
Speaker 3: Russia is always the most forward thinking. Really, they're the
only generational thinking country. I would put Russia at the
forefront of thinking longitudinally. They think long term. America is
making decisions around four month decisions on our economy. Russia
is thinking four hundred years from now. The other countries
that are doing that is Saudi Arabia and Middle East.
Speaker 2: They are very rooted in family and ancestral patterns.
Speaker 3: South America I don't think has to identify with eye
of those, but kind of inherently does this, you know
where it starts to understand generational impact and all of this.
South America is really suffering at a deep level of
relationship to North America. And so North America is draining
the soul out of you know, our entire hemisphere very quickly,
I think, and so I think South America suffers a
deeper crisis of that remembrance of the multi generational thinking
and long term thinking in their policies. But the Middle
East in Russia, you know, right up until the war,
Ukraine was the best food system in the world. They
were growing almost entirely organic. You know, we Europe had
decided to stop exporting or stop importing North America grains.
Germany was the first to outlaw the importation of grains
and other legomes from North America because they realized that
their diseases were going up every time they boarded our food,
and so they ban that, and we're only getting their
food from Ukraine. I think that is too surprising if
the Ukraine War was started in part to try to
disrupt the economic advantage there. Black Rock and other US
companies have gone in to buy up all the farmland
of the Ukraine now and are implementing chemical agriculture. And
so there's a pattern that we can see around when
the lion is no longer a king, and the lion
is just killing things for the fear that they're going
to run out. So we have an economy and an
empire that's failing in the United States that makes us
very dangerous, and we've been increasingly dangerous over the last
sixty years as we've come to terms with the fact
that we probably are destroying ourselves. And so that rabbit
animal and they's stuck in the corner that has no
way out, is going to be more and more dangerous.
And that's where the rabbit animal in the cage right now.
That's why our politics look like they do. Is the
last thing we have to do is lash out with
tariffs and you know, put militaries on the borders and
do all this stuff like That's not none of those
signs are healthy.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 3: That is the sign of an ailing and dying society.
And we've seen it with every empire that's died has
done the same things, the British Empire and the rest,
you know, and all the way back to an Impersian empire.
And so we've done it over and over and over again.
And the most dangerous point of any empire is it's
in its death cycle. And so we've become extremely dangerous
as you know, an international presence, as a as a
military body, as a secret service and everything else. And
it's it's just human behavior playing itself out. It's not
because the CIA is evil and all this, and that's
the danger of you know, politicians coming along and saying well,
CIA is your problem, and FDA is your problem. I'm
going to see all of them and I'll make it right.
Speaker 2: I'm your white Knight.
Speaker 3: And no, that's just a perpetuation of the same mentality
of the problems outside of ourselves. We've got to start
sovereignty again, and we will. There's gonna be a small
set of society that will survive this collapse of empire,
and we will have too low of a metabolic state
as a planet to generate the next empire. And so
that's interesting. Humans getting to this point can't generate the
next empire because we've so entangled our economies around abstract
value systems, all of which are extracting in the life
force out of the planet, and therefore they are all
on an extinction path. And so it will be interesting
because we are going to get to this like last
gasp of hew many where it's like nobody's got the
energy to go kill people.
Speaker 1: Is that going to be in our lifetimes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think it's going to happen in our.
Speaker 3: I mean, I could dieting points of my life thing,
But in the life cycle of the next fifty years
we will see that.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're only a few years away from this
massive change. Yeah, that's why I keep it could happen
by the end of this decade, like it's that's upon us.
Speaker 1: It's well, if we look at the astrological if we
look at the uga cycles, if we look at all
of the things, the Vedic texts, all the all the
ancient texts all say it's it's now, it's now, this
decade is going to be a hell of a run.
Speaker 2: Yea ell of a run.
Speaker 1: You have spoken about man, I've never spoken to anybody
about this, and you've brought it up in other shows.
Vibrational and frequency connection to our body. The lower our
vibration or our lower our frequency, the more unhealthy we are.
The higher our vibration, the higher our frequency, the healthier
we are, the more the immune systems able to attack,
and you don't get sick because of that. Can you
kind of explain what you mean by because when you're
talking about, hey man, my vibes are realloaded, it like
it sounds very sixties, very esoteric. Can you kind of
bring it down to a grounded level of what you
mean by vibration and frequency within the body.
Speaker 3: We're the greatest technology that the service has ever created.
By far, our organism has things that we're able to
generate frequency wise that no other species has done on
this planet. And so we contribute to nature very beautifully.
We are a keystone species, and we might be the
most profound keystone species that has ever touched this planet
if we're in right relationship to nature.
Speaker 2: And we've been able to.
Speaker 3: Measure this in science through frequency through vibration, and that
is measured in plants, for example, through an electro incephalogram
that we then hook up to a plant. So basically
the same eg that would monitor brain waves and the
frequencies that are generated by neurons, we can put on
a plant and then we can show that if the
human tells that plant you are beautiful, I love you,
the plant actually immediately responds to that with new growth
factors and the root systems s perhaps new root fibrals
puts growth factors in, It grows faster and more healthy.
The immune system works better. The immune system not a battleground.
Immune system is a method for inter relationships between species,
and so then suddenly has more relationships to other species
and that plant is now functioning as a wolf tree,
which is a description of a tree that becomes a
keystone species within the plant world. And so that tree
then in being loved and being seen more vigorously and
provide much more for the environment around it, and will
increase the nutrient density and the life cycles and the
life force of the whole forest floor. And so humans, like,
can you imagine you're an oak tree? Like no oak
tree has ever woken up being like I don't think
I was a very good oak tree yesterday, Like that
birch tree was a lot sexier than me. I think
like I wish I had that slender look of the
aspen over there, and I'm just fat oak over here.
Speaker 2: No, it's never never done it.
Speaker 3: And so the oak is the oak is the oak
is the oak. So you would think that nature is
like so sovereign in its identity, what could a human
possibly add? And we add because we have the ability
to see that we're separate from the oak. And so
in the perception that we're separate from the oak, we
can see the oak's beauty differently than the bird that's
sitting in the oak that can't differentiate.
Speaker 2: Itself from the oak tree.
Speaker 3: It's just it's the element of the oak tree that
sits in the nest, and so the bird can't do
what a human can do for that tree. It is
in our division of our perception of reality that allows
us to donate something to nature that is necessary for
its fullest expression. It needs to be seen by something
that sees itself different than itself, separate from so that
the beauty can be fully seen in a new and
different way. And when we tell it what we're seeing,
it grows more vigorously. And so this is the beautiful
thing about frequency from humans is that it is a
technology that works, and it works uniquely within the complexity
of millions of species that are interacting on this planet.
Species that aren't separate from nature benefit from our telling it.
I see you, I love you. I'm grateful for your shade.
I love laying underneath you. I love seeing the sky
through your branches. I love the way your leaves shimmer
in the morning. I love the way do forms on
the tips of your leaves. I love the way that
the birds open your respiratory pores when they sing in
their song in the morning. The human seeing all of
that beauty invigorates nature to it and do its beauty
even more beautifully. And so this is what I mean
by frequency of human and it's been measured very well
in Faraday cages and everything else. Now, so Faraday cage
is basically an electromatic shield that you can put over
any electrical equipment. You can protect satellite imaging technology that
needs to not be affected by the incoming electromatic fields.
It's basically a grounded wire net that creates a shield
around something inside of it.
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Speaker 3: And so they'll put a human inside of a Faraday cage,
meaning they're isolating the electromagnetic generation of a human body.
And then they have the human tell stories. Tell me
about when your grandmother did this, and oh, so you
can gender a moment of love or joy and they
can monitor or these frequencies that are coming out of
the human body. You know, you're super sexy if you
just tell a human that, like, these frequencies come out
of it that are spectacular high vibration. Now, I don't
think you spend enough time with your father. And your
father died alone in the nursing home twenty twenty one
under COVID and he was alone, and that guilt shame
kicks in. And these low vibration frequencies come out of
the human and when biology picks those up, you decrease
the life force of plants around you. You decrease the
life force of nature around you when you feel these
low vibration things of fear, guilt, shame, and so the
frequencies that we generate for the same reason that we
generated the high frequency ones. We're separate from nature. Therefore
we can see the beauty. The danger is we have
separate from nature. Therefore we have fear, guilt, and shame.
And so our very weakness is the result of the
very same phenomenon that makes us so superpower. That's pretty
true in everything, Like my strengths are my greatest weaknesses,
and so that's how nature works as well. Your greatest
strength is going to make you vulnerable to your greatest weaknesses,
and ours happens to be the dichotomy between being ample
to see unconditional love and express that in a unique
way and experience fear, guilt and shame and our separation
from everything.
Speaker 2: So vibration is real.
Speaker 3: Vibration increases that keystone species effect low vibration. You know,
symptoms of our separation from nature, our abandonment disorder, decrease
the vitality.
Speaker 2: So then the.
Speaker 1: Food has Plants have vibrations obviously and frequency, So the
food that we're putting into our bodies have a frequency
and a vibration. So if you have something that's a
little bit on a higher level of frequency, so let's
say something closer to nature, salad foods for vegetables, things
like that that are alive and close, they have a
higher frequency as opposed to something super processed, super in
a box. You know, something that has so many chemicals
in it has a very low low fright, So when
you're ingesting those foods, your frequency is being adjusted accordingly,
because you're if you're eating fast food all the time,
which is devoid of a lot of nutrients, if had
anything very little, your frequency is constantly going Now, hence
you're going to become sicker and so on. Is that
makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's terrifying when you think about the current condition of
our food system and that reality. Because I stopped eating
poultry for a long time back because my daughter wanted
us to watch food ink. Back in two thousand and
eight orally like that, and that was the end of
meat for quite a while in my life. For fourteen
years of strict vegan my taught plant based nutrition, which
isn't strictly vegan, but it's more a sense of like,
we got to make the plants the foundation of everything
here because they're carrying so much life force within them
that's so much closer to their origin than something like
a piece of process something or piece of meat that
was processed through a high intensitive feed lot. But if
you look at the production of poultry right now, it's
a good example of what you just said. If you
close your eyes and imagine being born a bird. In
this case, maybe you're a hen, you're a chicken. You've
got wings and you've got feathers, and you're beautiful, and
you've got this sense of the constant provision of nature.
And nature provides tiny little seeds and insects and all
kinds of things that your eyes are uniquely capable of seeing.
Speaker 2: And when you walk through a yard of earth and you.
Speaker 3: Walk through that nature, you're instantly struck by just the
abundance around you, and so you peck all day long,
consuming the abundance of nature, and through you you process
so much nutrient that you're seeding back into the earth
around you, the next potential of life. And so your
presence increases the diversity of seeds that are being born
and the soils around you. You will create a more
verdant grassland for the cycle of seeds and nutrients through
you and passes through the body. And then you lay eggs,
which is the potential for new life. And you do
this on a daily basis. What if everything three days
or every one day you were putting out another potential
of a completely new life.
Speaker 2: What a beautiful existence.
Speaker 3: And then humans come along and decide that you're a
good source of protein, and so they put you in
a cage and which you can't ever walk. You will
never actually take a step in your life. You'll be
born and you will be mechanically put through a large
machine that stamps you and chops your beak off and
then puts you in a cage that you can't turn
around in and will feed you some form of a
genetically modified you know, grain or legume mix that puts
a very small amount of nutrient into your body such
that your immune system would be fine family immediately over
the six weeks of your life as a boiler chicken,
you'll be butchered at six weeks if you survive to it.
But one third of the flock has already died of
invasive bacterial infections by six weeks because the immune system
is completely shocked. The microbiome was wiped out by the
antibiotics that are put into the feed. And there's stacks
and stacks of cages above you, and the chickens above
you are shitting on your head, and there's urine, and
there's feces everywhere, and your eggs are covered with crap,
and you're all you know is separation from nature.
Speaker 2: All you know is this hopeless state of.
Speaker 3: This couldn't have been my path, This couldn't be a
divine experience whatever. This is a living hell that I've
stepped into. And in my stress is that chicken I'm
putting into my DNA. I'm expressing my DNA in the
most extreme state of hopelessness, and so all my DNA
is in fight or flight from the moment I'm born
to the moment I'm butchered six weeks later, and my
whole experience is just horror. And then that ends up
on a menu that says chicken salad, and the woman says, oh,
I'll take the chicken salad. That sounds healthy, And moments
later she's got in her mouth the meat of a
bird that only knew horror. And within minutes, the micro
RNA that was carried in that meat is now carried
in her bloodstream is interacting with her DNA to change
the genetic expression of her human genome. And we now
know that the micro rna and from our food can
account for as much as five to ten percent of
our total mine in our bloodstream just half an hour
after a meal, and so that five percent of our
genome that's now absorbing this information. And then, for reasons
she can't understand, that woman goes into a massive panic
attack as she's driving to her kids' school an hour
and a half later, and she knows this overwhelming sense
of impending doom. If you read the DSM four of
a panic attack, that's the number one most reported sentence
out of a human's mouth is I suddenly experienced a
sense of impending doom. I mean, that's a pretty intense sentence,
and it's weird that it was so common that it
is on the top of the lifts of the DSM
four Psychiatric Diagnostic Handbook. I suddenly was overwhelmed by a
sense of impending doom.
Speaker 1: Generally, they're not eating salads all the all day generally.
Speaker 3: Well, the fact is a lot of us are eating
food that went through that horror every day, and we
are having panic attacks at a rate that's never been
seen before.
Speaker 1: Weren't panic attacks in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: That wasn't how they may have been, but they were rare,
and so it took.
Speaker 3: It was rare, and so I didn't grow up with
children that had depression anxiety disorders. We just didn't have
that lexicon. Now, you talk to any middle school group
and they've all been diagnosed with anxiety disorders, sleep disorders,
chronic pain syndromes, chronic fifty seek syndromes, And if you
ask any of them do you ever have a sense
of impending doom, you're going to get a high percentage
of twelve thirteen year olds that say yes on a
daily basis. I get that feeling. I don't think I'm
going to survive here. I don't think this is survivable.
I think you know, so they're having this daily experience
and they are living the utter stress of a food system.
Speaker 2: That has no hope, has impending doom upun it.
Speaker 1: Have you Have you heard of the concepts of grounding?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your take on grounding? I've been doing
it for a while now and I sleep so much.
Speaker 2: Better, much better. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I started using them about twenty ten or something like
that my clinic. So the last fifteen years I've seen
it work wonders in all kinds of situations. But yeah,
I know, it's instantaneous. As soon as you ground the body,
all kinds of good things happen. So I was using
grounding mass grounding sheets on the beds so that people
would at least get eight hours of grounding in because
I couldn't get them to go barefoot in the garden
during the day. I'm like, oh, well, that's all right.
This is convenient because I'm in the ground you all
night long. And when you round a body, the word
grounding means connecting you to a flow of electrons, and
so the whole surface of the earth is covered in
a blanket of electrons. And when you touch the earth
with bare feet or you put your hand on the
soil as you can go weed the garden. The moment
you touch the weed or the soil or anything that's conductive,
a sidewalk works for it. Could even beaches are the best.
And so you go touch nature for a moment, you're
immediately connected to an electrical blanket, electrical supply of electrons
that literally covers the entire surface of the Earth. And
at the moment you touch that, you those electrons rush
to the positive charges inside your body to neutralize the
acid are the positive charge that accumulates in a body
that's inflamed. So inflammation and disease is positive charge. Health
is negative charge.
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Speaker 3: And so when we talk about grounding a body, you're
talking about reconnecting yourself to the life force of the
earth and not expecting your body to produce all of
your electrons. Mitochondria that turn away to break up the
carbohydrates and fats in your diet into energy will create
an electron flow. And so if you are not walking
barefoot and you are isolated from Earth, you're dependent on
your own genitive engine to create the electrons for to
fight inflammation and disease. If you will tourch to the earth.
Now you have a genitive engine that's twenty five thousand
miles in circumference, that's making electrons for your body. And
so grounding is a no brainer. We need to do it.
And I often will forget this until I'm like kind
of bonking on my travels, and then I'm like, oh,
I need to get my shoes off as soon as
I get off the plane, and I need to walk
and grasp just for a few minutes, and immediately it
cracks your jet lag, and it cracks the inflammation you've
accumulated and all that. It's it's ludicrous that I'm not
walking around grounded all the time. It's ludicrous that I
tolerate sleeping in beds that I'm grounded because I know
it works so well.
Speaker 1: But then I take it with me everywhere. Now I
take my mats with me everywhere, and the connect you
connect on your feet and arms, and it's just like
sit at your desk, I'm grounded all day when I'm
I'm sitting at a desk. It's really and when you
use the right products, because sometimes you get those cheap
knock offs, and I did that originally didn't work, and
I actually got you know, Clint, right, the god Clint.
No Clint, yeah, Clint. So when I got one of his,
I sat there and I went to bed. I was like,
and I was having a lot of trouble sleeping, and
I was like, just ge't you get up like you like,
it's such a deep sleep that you're just like, oh God,
it just.
Speaker 2: I gotta go come up out of the water and
find earth again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, As opposed to this light light thing that
you have. Without it, it's it's mind boggling. It's mind
woggling to hear that, Zach. I can keep talking to
you for at least another four hours. Brother, this has
been so fascinating. I'm going to ask you a few questions.
Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living
a fulfilled life?
Speaker 3: Presence is unbelievable, how much time it can be experienced
when you become really present. And if you want to
live long, I would say, stop biohacking and start sitting
under trees, because you'll you can live a lifetime under
a tree for an hour and you'll experience so much
as you reconnect to the knowingness of everything. So a
life well lived is a life that experiences one present
moment of the next.
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go back in time
and speak to little Zach, what advice would you give him?
Speaker 2: You're not alone?
Speaker 1: If you if what would little Zach tell you? What
advice would he give you?
Speaker 2: Stop thinking? Feel more beautiful? How do you define God
or so still point in the universe? What is love?
Speaker 3: The electromagetic frequency that's generated by human body when it
sees beauty.
Speaker 1: That's a great answer. I haven't had that one before.
If you could ask God one question, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Can you show me my beauty?
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life to see
the beauty? And where can people find out more about
you and the amazing work you're doing.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 3: Then I would say, probably go out and dig a
hole in the garden and plant a tree seed and
you'll find me there. If you want a more three
dimensional experience, you can go to Zach Bush MD dot
com and I've got a bunch of free education and
it's kind of a portal into all the other projects
that I'm doing.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: We have a great joy of doing these immersive experiences
right now where we're putting groups of people into seven
day experiences of complete embodiment of the moment and remembering
your original design from the womb and so putting people
in a wombstate for seven days at a time has
shown itself to be an extremely rewarding and on inspiring
thing to witness, and so that's something you all be
welcome to experience. The soil product that Nature has been
showing us again and again the power of connecting human
biology back to these original soil systems and the original
intelligence within the Earth that's called the intelligence of Nature
dot com.
Speaker 2: Take a look at that science there.
Speaker 3: We've pre reviewed a lot of science around how Earth
reverses these wounds that we've been talking about. Nature's never
allowed an injury that she didn't have a solution for,
and so you can take a look at Intelligence in
Nature under the science page there and see that see
the deeper truth on what's actually happening when we call
gluten sensitivity, that it's actually glyc state poisoning, and we
show you the mechanisms by which glyf state disrupts the
gut lining and creates these immune reactions that then gives
us the belief that we have intolerance to food. We
actually just have intolerance to chemicals. The corn and the
so I mean may be genetically modified to be round
up ready, but your biology is not.
Speaker 1: And that is why people with gluten allergies or have
siliac can eat bread sometimes in Europe or in other
countries to Russia and the bread, it is completely different there,
different there. And Zach, do you have any party messages
for the audience.
Speaker 2: I love you. I'm so grateful. I'm amazed to be
human right now.
Speaker 3: I think I just feel very very fortunate today to
have been embodied again today. I mean, the universe conspired
to allow me to live again today.
Speaker 2: I have no free will to live tomorrow.
Speaker 3: But if another day of life comes to me to
share another meal with all of you, I feel very grateful.
Speaker 2: Zach.
Speaker 1: You are like a monk, a spiritual monk dancing inside
of a doctor's body. It's beautiful, man, it is such
a beautiful. You have such a beautiful energy to you
and your point of views on things.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like you.
Speaker 1: Were saying, the path has been perfect for you. If
you wouldn't have gone down the paths of academia and
all the things you wouldn't be able to be doing
the work you're doing today.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be me exactly, Matt, So I want to
give back a second one. Brother.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. I look forward to our
next conversation and thank you for helping awaken this planet.
My friend Zoe, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I'm ready for the next level soul.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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