1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanana Show. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,639 It's been a while since I had Charlott mane on. 3 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:07,799 How are you doing, Charles, I'm. 4 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 2: Very good, lovely to be back. It's been a while. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, man, thanks very much. It's cool. That's cool. 6 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:21,000 The smallest of white pills are great at this time, 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,719 so we take them where we can get them. 8 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: No, it's good. Like you said, once you get you know, 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,200 up there, the birthdays stop being the same. But it's 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,920 always nice to have a pleasant birthday. 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:40,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is, all right. Well, a listener shared 12 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:44,479 this article with me. It's from nineteen eighty seven. I'm 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,399 going to share it in a second so that we 14 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:48,600 can read through it, we can comment on it. And 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,359 you've seen me do this before, you know that you 16 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:53,520 can just stop me at any time. The article is 17 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:59,799 called the Overhauling of Straight America. It is from It 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,640 was published in a Let me read this. Okay, this 19 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:08,400 is from Hawaii Free Press. They republished the article, but 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,560 I think they have a really good little introduction here. 21 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:15,439 Let me share it. When heck, let's just start, let's 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,319 just keep going. So the Overhauling of Straight America. This 23 00:01:20,439 --> 00:01:25,599 introduction that they done here, says the following article, title 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,439 The Overhauling of Straight America, was written by Marshall K. 25 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:33,239 Kirk and Erastus Pill and appeared in Guide magazine Homosexual 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Publication in November nineteen eighty seven. This landmark article has 27 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:41,840 become a bible of the homosexual movement and has since 28 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:45,640 been widely republished on the Internet and elsewhere. I will 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,480 say that this was actually expanded and turned into a 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,760 book called After the Ball that was released in nineteen 31 00:01:53,799 --> 00:02:00,599 eighty nine, a much more extensive guide for what they're 32 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:05,560 going to lay out here. So the landmark article has 33 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,640 become a bible of the homosexual movement has since been 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,280 wily republished on the Internet and elsewhere. It outlines strategies 35 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:15,000 and techniques for a successful widespread propaganda campaign to confuse 36 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,240 and deceive the American people and demonize opponents. Like all propaganda, 37 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,120 their methods are based not on solid intellectual arguments, but 38 00:02:23,199 --> 00:02:26,360 instead upon emotional manipulation of the public in an attempt 39 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:32,319 to gain widespread sympathy and approval for homosexual behavior. As 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,759 you read this, keep in mind that it was written 41 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,120 in nineteen eighty seven, and look around to see how 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,240 far the homosexual movement has gotten using these techniques. The editor, 43 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:44,800 the person who's editing this has a note here, says 44 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,120 co author, who is using a pseudonym Orestus. Pill is 45 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:54,520 the pseudonym for Hunter and Madison and Greek Erastus refers 46 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,000 to an adult male pursuer of young boys. It is 47 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,680 the root word of pederasty. Kill is self explanatory. In 48 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:07,520 spite of the advanced information strategies delineated by these authors, 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,719 they are laughing at you. From the byline. We are 50 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:12,960 reprinting the first half of the article and linking to 51 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,680 the entire article so that Hawhitu residents may understand how 52 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:20,960 society has been manipulated to invent gay marriage and why 53 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,080 this is not the end. 54 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: Well, this is fascinating. It seems almost like this is 55 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,639 one of those secret blogs that we pass around, like 56 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,360 this is the flip side of the Ted Kaczynski post 57 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:35,319 or something like that, where because I've never heard of this. 58 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:39,360 So it seems like if you're pretty invested in the 59 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:42,840 homosexual movement to even know that this article exists. 60 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:46,919 Speaker 1: It being made into a book that apparently was a 61 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:49,240 big seller. I can look that up in a little bit, 62 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,759 but so you know, it's one of those things. It's 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,800 like with the book The Authoritarian Personality. The Authoritarian Personality 64 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:01,879 lays out a strategy and it gives opinions on what 65 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:08,520 kind of qualities somebody would possess that would make them 66 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:14,240 a fascist. And when you look at the questions and 67 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,800 the opinions that they ask people to say, how did 68 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,240 they feel about this? All of the opinions in that 69 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:27,720 book are basically demonized. Now strong central family, mother and 70 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:34,680 father go to church, a strong belief that people who 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,120 hurt children and are sexual with children should be punished 72 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:43,000 beyond what the law allows. When you look at a 73 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,040 book like The Authoritarian Personality, you see, well, maybe it 74 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,759 was somebody's opinion, but it seems like they went to 75 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:59,360 work using that book to demonize mostly just white people, 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,079 white Anglo Saxon's, white Anglo Saxon Protestants, and in general. 77 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,839 And when we I've read through this, When you read 78 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:11,160 through this, it's you look and you're like, oh, well, 79 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:14,959 pretty much all of this has been done. So I 80 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:16,560 just look at this as how do they do it? 81 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like an instruction manual. Like I said, 82 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,199 from looking at it, it sounds similar to what ted 83 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,199 Kay wrote, because I just reviewed all of that and 84 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,959 it seems like it's literally their version of that for 85 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,199 going in the opposite direction. 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, all right, so I'll start reading stop me anytime. 87 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,800 When I read with AA, he was stopping me mid sentence. 88 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,439 Speaker 2: So if you want to, well, I can tell I 89 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:44,639 already want to stop you before we get the step one. 90 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,240 But let's let's look at this part. 91 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,959 Speaker 1: Sure, all right? The overhauling is straight America Marshall, Kate 92 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,160 Kirkan arrests Erastus Pill. The first order of business is 93 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:58,839 desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. 94 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:02,279 To desensitize the postblic is to help it view homosexuality 95 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:09,240 with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would 96 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,480 have straights registered differences in sexual preference the way they 97 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:16,360 register different tastes for ice cream or sports games. She 98 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,360 likes strawberry and I like vanilla. He follows baseball and 99 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:26,079 I follow football. No big deal, at least in the beginning. 100 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,879 We are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do 101 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,600 not need and cannot expect, a full appreciation or understanding 102 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:41,439 of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about 103 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,720 trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. 104 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:48,800 But if only you can get them to think that 105 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:52,439 it is just another thing with a shrug of their shoulders, 106 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,839 then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually one. 107 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,839 And to get to shoulder shrug stage, gaze as a 108 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:08,120 class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome, and contrary, 109 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,879 a large scale media campaign will be required in order 110 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,360 to change the image of gaze in America. 111 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,839 Speaker 2: All right, So yeah, this part here is very interesting 112 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:22,079 because this has clearly happened to me, and I think 113 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,800 it happens to most millennials who work in a corporate environment, 114 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:28,279 because if you're not desensitized to gaze, I mean, you're 115 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:32,000 basically screwed. If you have like a visceral reaction to homosexuals, 116 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:34,720 you're just not going to make it. One thing I've 117 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:39,079 noticed is I sort of have a inbuilt negative reaction 118 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,959 to zoomers, like zoomers seem to be very at least 119 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 right wing zoomers seem to be not desensitized to gaze 120 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,160 and react very strongly against them, which I actually find 121 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:52,720 weird and kind of off putting, even though I shouldn't 122 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:56,079 do that. So despite being involved in this for so long, 123 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,000 I'm still having to consciously kind of depropagandize myself because 124 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,839 is what they just outlined in this first paragraph has 125 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:06,399 absolutely been done and worked and is deeply ingrained in 126 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:07,720 every single millennial I think. 127 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,759 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you have ever, if you've worked 128 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:16,439 for a corporation in the last fifteen twenty years, you've 129 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:21,399 had to sit watch the video and sign that if 130 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:24,920 you violate anything in this video, and you don't, you know, 131 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:27,879 one hundred present basically agree with that video. If that 132 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:33,960 comes out, you're fired, no, no questions asked. And it's 133 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,799 even if you do have a natural inclination towards EUGH, 134 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:48,440 you're forced into it, and forcing people to walk a 135 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,399 certain way causes the decil will can lead to the 136 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,039 desensitization that he's talking about here in the introduction. So 137 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,519 all right, and any campaign to accomplish this turnaround should 138 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,639 do six things. So step one talk about gays and 139 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:12,120 gayness as loudly as and as often as possible. 140 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,879 Speaker 2: Is that are the other steps in all caps? Or 141 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,159 is that just a bit of irony there. 142 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: The principle behind this advice is simple. Almost any behavior 143 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,360 begins to look normal if you're exposed to enough of 144 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:32,879 it at close quarters and among your acquaintances. The acceptability 145 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:35,480 of this of the new behavior will ultimately hinge on 146 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,919 the number of one's fellows doing it or accepting it. 147 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,639 One may be offended by its novelty at first. Many 148 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,799 in times past were momentarily scandalized by streaking, eating goldfish, 149 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,840 and premarital sex. Oh, we can see how old this is. 150 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,200 But as long as Joe sixpack feels little pressure to 151 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,639 perform likewise, and as long as the behavior in question 152 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:04,679 presents little threat to his physical and financial security, he 153 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,279 soon gets used to it and life goes on. The 154 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,080 skeptic may still shake his head and think people are 155 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,919 crazy these days, but over time his objections are likely 156 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,159 to become more reflective, more philosophical, and less emotional. 157 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: So that last sentence is interesting because I noticed this 158 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,679 happened on the right wing, where they try to push 159 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,840 the issue over and over and over until it gets 160 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,679 to the point where you're like debating what a woman 161 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:34,360 is or something like with Matt Walsh, And that's basically 162 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,399 how they win because they just trap you in this 163 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,759 dialectic where now instead of having your initial gut reaction, 164 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:46,879 your second guessing yourself, and you're trying to endlessly explain 165 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,600 things with these really detailed definitions that can never quite 166 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,039 capture exactly what you need to take down their arguments, 167 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,440 and then you just kind of lose by default, when 168 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,480 really it's that initial emotional reaction that is the thing 169 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:02,559 that can actually stop them, and that's always what they 170 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,519 prevent by getting you stuck in this philosophy nonsense when 171 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:07,440 dealing with this stuff. 172 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: Right, if your initial reaction is you know, fuck off, 173 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,039 I don't care, I'm not listening to you, that's a 174 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,799 different story. They back down. If you start arguing with 175 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,120 them and start using their language and you start playing 176 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,440 on their field, They've won because they make the rules. 177 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:31,120 And that's what we see, you know, Boomer Kahn, Boomer Truth, Regimers, 178 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:35,519 and kan inc engaged in to the point where you 179 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:40,240 have to question whether they're like they're conscious controlled opposition 180 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,240 because they're so they're so invested in arguing on that 181 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:50,360 playing field. All right, The way to be numb raw 182 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,799 sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people 183 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,720 talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral 184 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:00,639 or supportive way. Open and frank talk makes the subjects 185 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:06,080 seem less furtive, alien and sinful. More above board, constant 186 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,960 talk builds the impression that public opinion is at least 187 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,320 divided on the subject, and that a sizable segment accepts 188 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,519 or even practices homosexuality. Even rancorous debates between opponents and 189 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,519 defenders serve the purpose of desensitization. So long as respectable 190 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,600 gaze our front and center to make their own pitch, 191 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,679 The main thing is to talk about gainness until the 192 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,759 issue becomes thoroughly tiresome. You're basically going to beat you 193 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:40,080 over the head with it until you submit, and most 194 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,440 people do because you know, especially on the quote unquote 195 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:45,759 right in this country, most people just want to grow 196 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,000 and be left alone. I want to live their life 197 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,840 and peace. But these people, they're going to take it further. 198 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,799 And yeah, yeah, got this. 199 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: A bit about respectable gaze is interesting too, because like 200 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,919 these sort of hiring quotas, whether they exist officially or 201 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,159 just in a sort of informal HR capacity, it basically 202 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,759 forces gays into a position of being homosexual. Right So 203 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:12,120 before if you're just like, maybe when this was written, 204 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,720 Gaze were sort of looked down upon, but now they 205 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:16,879 all have these jobs. I mean, they're in the White House, 206 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,799 for God's sake, so they're sort of forced to be 207 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:24,799 viewed as respectable by everyone because they're given respectable jobs 208 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,600 by the people in charge of these institutions. 209 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,399 Speaker 1: Well as the old guy here, let me say, this 210 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,720 is right in the middle of the AIDS crisis. 211 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:37,799 Speaker 2: Wow. 212 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, think about that. Yeah. And I know that 213 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,440 somebody is going to share an article saying that AIDS 214 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:49,799 the AIDS virus doesn't exist, YadA, YadA. I've read all 215 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:53,480 that stuff too. I'm just going with what history is 216 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,720 telling us here. You don't have to share your articles. 217 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,440 I've read them. Thank you. Move on. And when we 218 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,919 say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that in the 219 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,440 early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the 220 00:14:08,519 --> 00:14:12,320 masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure 221 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,480 to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of imagery of 222 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,840 sex should be downplayed, and gay rights should be reduced 223 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,600 to an abstract social question as much as possible. First, 224 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:28,559 let the camel get his nose inside the tent. Only 225 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:30,960 later his unsightly dairy air. 226 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:35,679 Speaker 2: Wow, that's just so ridiculously honest that that last bit there. 227 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,960 Uh but yeah, that's what the stuff is reduced to. Now, 228 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,679 we're just arguing about what the Constitution says about gay rights, 229 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,440 and we're not arguing anything to do about the fact 230 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,320 that the stuff is disgusting. 231 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,519 Speaker 1: Or that we have They're more worried about the fact 232 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:57,639 that there are trands that trans people. A trans person 233 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:01,080 is showing their breasts at the White House. Yes, they're 234 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:03,879 more worried about that than the fact that a trans 235 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:08,279 person is showing their breasts at the White House. Yeah. 236 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,639 They're worried about like the how it looks versus the 237 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,440 fact that, you know, the enemy is within the gate. 238 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:21,480 The enemy controls it now, so where we talk is important. 239 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,120 The visual media, film and television are plainly the most 240 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:29,840 powerful image makers in Western civilization. The average American household 241 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 watches over seven hours of TV daily. Do you think 242 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:33,960 that's gone down at all? 243 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: Surely it has. I mean, maybe it's been replaced by phones, 244 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,240 and it might even be more prevalent now with the phones. 245 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,519 I mean, I've seen a lot of people who would 246 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:49,120 fall into that category become addicted to like doom scrolling 247 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:53,320 like much older people. Yeah, but I don't know, that's 248 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,360 actually a good question. I've never really thought about that. 249 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,480 I mean, even I remember watching way too much TV 250 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:03,440 when I was younger, even because you know, the Saturday 251 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,480 morning cartoons would be on it whatever, and you just 252 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:09,159 watch for like three hours straight. But that doesn't happen anymore, 253 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:09,559 does it. 254 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:14,639 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I just look at the fact that, like, 255 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:20,279 I mean, I haven't had cable or anything really besides 256 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,759 like Amazon fire Stick and some some programs, some APKs 257 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:28,960 that I put on there for eight years now, So 258 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:31,960 I mean, I don't when people tell me, like, well, 259 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:36,279 this commercial is on network television and it just shows 260 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,679 it's openly homosexual and everything, I'm like, wow. I mean, 261 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,679 I just I haven't watched it in forever. So okay, 262 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,559 those hours open up a gateway into the private world 263 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:51,279 of straits through which a trojan horse might be passed. 264 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,600 As far as desensitization is concerned, the medium is the 265 00:16:55,679 --> 00:17:00,799 message of normalcy. So far, Gay hollyo. It has provided 266 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,200 our best covert weapon in the battle to desensitize the 267 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,640 mainstream bit by bit. Over the past ten years, Gay 268 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:12,240 characters and gay themes have been introduced into TV programs 269 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,359 and films. Though often this has been done to achieve 270 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,440 comedic and ridiculous effects, on the whole, the impact has 271 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,480 been encouraging. The primetime presentation of consensing adults on a 272 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,559 major network in nineteen eighty five is but one high 273 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:32,640 water mark in favorable media exposure of gay issues. But 274 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:35,880 this should be just the beginning of a major publicity 275 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,480 blitz by gay America. 276 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,519 Speaker 2: I mean, this is just amazing because you'll still see 277 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:43,960 people talk about this like it's some sort of conspiracy theory. 278 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,799 And here they are just saying that Hollywood is doing 279 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,319 our work for us. They're normalizing it, They're putting more 280 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:52,319 and more gaye in. The point is to desensitize you, 281 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,880 to gaze. I mean, it's just all right here. 282 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: And it's amazing. 283 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: It's like that with all this stuff. You know, everything 284 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,880 the the right talks about and claims of the left 285 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,920 are doing, it's not like it's requires some sort of 286 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:08,640 conspiracy thinking. It's just all written down like this. You 287 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,480 just have to know where to find it. 288 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: You're talking about an industry that is artistic, creative. I mean, 289 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:21,240 I was in the music industry. For for years, half 290 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:23,279 of the people I knew who worked in the music 291 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:28,799 industry were openly gay. They're going to push an agenda, 292 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:32,000 and they're going to push their agenda. Do you think 293 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:35,519 people in Hollywood, writers, showrunners, they're not going to do 294 00:18:35,559 --> 00:18:38,960 the same exact thing. Even if it's not this concerted, 295 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,359 you know, gigantic conspiracy, It doesn't have to be. There's 296 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:46,640 enough of them pushing it that it looks like a conspiracy, 297 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,599 and then you know it just it actually becomes one, 298 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,720 It becomes something bigger than what they actually intended it 299 00:18:54,759 --> 00:19:00,440 to be. Would a desensitizing campaign of open and sustain 300 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:04,680 talk about gay issues reach every rabid opponent of homosexuality, 301 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,839 of course not. While public opinion is one primary source 302 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:13,599 of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative 303 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,839 churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can 304 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,720 do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we 305 00:19:21,799 --> 00:19:25,960 can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means 306 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:31,319 publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological 307 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:36,440 theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, 308 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,559 and exposing hatred and inconsistency. 309 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: Second, well, look what's happening with turnip Seed right now? Yeah, 310 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,759 basically the culmination of that because his Lutheran church, from 311 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:53,559 what I understand, is one of the only ones that's 312 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:55,880 not completely run through by all this stuff yet and 313 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,480 now they're finally getting there. And that was like the 314 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,960 whole point of his church, right is it resisted what 315 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:04,319 they're describing here, except actually now it isn't. 316 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:09,319 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's exactly what it is. And like exposing 317 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,079 hatred and inconsistency. That inconsistency one is very important because 318 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,440 right wingers, people on the right who consider themselves to 319 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,640 be on the right, the most important thing for them 320 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,000 is to be consistent, and that is used as a 321 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,880 it's to this day, you see it used as a 322 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:33,160 weapon against them over and over again. Right. Second, we 323 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,680 can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying 324 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,279 them as antiquated backwaters badly out of step with the 325 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,359 times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the 326 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,400 mighty pull of institutional religion. One must set the mightier 327 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:55,039 draw of science and public opinion the shield and sword 328 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,240 of that accursed secular humanism such an unhe all the 329 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:04,160 Alliance has worked well against churches before on such topics 330 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,880 as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the 331 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,960 prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work here 332 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:23,160 at work again here, Yeah, yeah, I mean we've seen it, Yeah, 333 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,759 we've seen it in the last fifteen years. Where you know, 334 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:34,720 in two thousand and eight, evangelicals are just no gay marriage, 335 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:38,119 no gay marriage, no gay marriage, slippery slopes, riple your slope. 336 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:45,920 And now it's how many churches are actually even talking 337 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,559 about gay marriage because they pushed it so far beyond 338 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,400 gay marriage. Now they're not even thinking about where this 339 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:55,359 where this started. And really what it started with is this. 340 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,799 It started with just the making it normal, making just 341 00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:04,720 these are just other people. They just you know, they 342 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,640 like a different flavor of ice cream than I do. 343 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,480 So Step two in his plan is to portray gays 344 00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:19,720 as victims, not as aggressive challengers. I think this just 345 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:25,240 this title implies that they are aggressive challengers, that that 346 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,160 is their goal in any campaign to win over the public. 347 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,039 Gays must be cast as victims in need of protection, 348 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:35,880 so that straits will be inclined by reflex to assume 349 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:42,160 the role of protector. If gays are presented instead as 350 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,079 a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and 351 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,039 deviant lifestyle. They are more likely to be seen as 352 00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:55,960 a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, 353 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,599 we must forego the temptation to strut our gay pride 354 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,680 public luckily, when it conflicts with the gay victim message, 355 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,960 and we must walk the fine line between impressing straits 356 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,559 with our great numbers on the one hand and sparking 357 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,000 their hostile paranoia they're all around us on the other. 358 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: Well, they've obviously stepped over that line at this point. 359 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:25,720 So that's interesting because they that either indicates that they 360 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,880 they've basically gotten to the point where they think they've won, 361 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,720 or they have one or they just have lost control. 362 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,359 But they're no longer doing that balance. They very clearly 363 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,599 are just everywhere and exposing their power, you know, the 364 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:46,000 whole flashing at the White House thing. So yeah, they've 365 00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:48,480 they've kind of gone at a balance here, So that's interesting. 366 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, their war flag has been raised. Yeah, So 367 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,359 a media campaigns to promote the gay victim image should 368 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,839 make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream set sense 369 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:06,319 of threat. Which lowers its guard and which enhanced the 370 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,160 plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that jaunty, 371 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,240 mustachioed musclemen would keep very low profile in gay commercials 372 00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:21,519 and other public presentations, while sympathetic figures of nice young people, 373 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:28,079 old people, and attractive women will would be featured in parentheses. 374 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,599 It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest 375 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,559 margin of acceptability, such as NAMBLA the North American Man 376 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:42,559 Boy Love Association, must play no part at all in 377 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:50,759 such a campaign. Suspected child molesters will never look like victims. 378 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,759 Speaker 2: All right, not exactly a disavowal, is it. 379 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:05,559 Speaker 1: Well? When I read this that they had to include it, yeah, 380 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,119 but they that they felt compelled to include it. 381 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: That yeah, you're right, that's an interesting point that they 382 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:17,200 think that NAMBLA is a part of their thing. Otherwise 383 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,799 why would you include it. 384 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: It's when I read that I was I was absolutely 385 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:27,319 floored that that was that that was included, that they 386 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,640 felt like, you know, it's almost like this was an 387 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,319 internal memo because they put it out on a gay web. 388 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,920 They put it on a gay in a gay publication, 389 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,279 which I'm assuming you know the mainstream doesn't wouldn't read 390 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,960 in nineteen eighty seven. But now we get to look back, 391 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,319 and you know, when you read something like that, you 392 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:57,480 you must That raises a lot of questions. All right now, 393 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,799 there are two different messages about the gay victim that 394 00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:04,119 are worth communicating. First, the mainstream should be told that 395 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,279 gays are victims of fate in the sense that most 396 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,279 never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference. 397 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,240 The message must read quote, as far as gays can tell, 398 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,000 they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual, 399 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,680 or white or black, or bright or athletic. Nobody ever 400 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,799 tricked or seduced them. They never made a choice and 401 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:31,200 are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn't willfully contrary. 402 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,079 It's only natural for them. The twist of fate could 403 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,960 as easily have happened to you. 404 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,039 Speaker 2: This is really interesting because although they do go around 405 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,759 manufacturing transsexuals now, the narrative is still always that they 406 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,440 were born transsexual and you need to give them the 407 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,559 hormones or whatever because they're being oppressed by biology or something. 408 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:57,240 So even though they very clearly are manufacturing transsexuals, the 409 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,640 messaging is still that they're victims of fate basically like 410 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,640 getting in the way of fate or something like that. 411 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,559 It's a weird metaphysical view for atheists to take. 412 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: It's yeah, and it's just so, he says, the message 413 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:22,079 must read it's I mean, they're basically when I read that, 414 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,519 when I read what's in the quotes there, it's them, 415 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,240 or that whole paragraph, it's them saying, no, we've made 416 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:31,559 a choice. Now, this was a choice on our part, 417 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,359 and the fact that it is they they're saying that 418 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,799 it's a choice right after they mentioned Nambola. 419 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: Is yeah, because they don't really believe that it's fate 420 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,160 in the way it's describing them. They're just saying it's 421 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,880 the message that that's what we're going to claim. 422 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right onward. Straight viewers must be able to 423 00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:58,480 identify with gays as victims. Mister and missus. Public must 424 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:01,240 be given no extra excuses to say they are not 425 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,559 like us. To this end, the persons featured in the 426 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,640 public campaign should be decent and upright, appealing and admirable 427 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,839 by straight standards, completely unexceptionable in appearance. In a word, 428 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,079 they should be indistinguishable from the straits. We would like 429 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,160 to reach parentheses. To return to the terms we have 430 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:27,839 used in previous articles, spokesmen for our cause must be 431 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:34,720 our type straits rather than Q type homosexuals on display. 432 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,880 Only under such conditions will the message be read correctly. 433 00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:41,640 These folks are victims of a fate that could have 434 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:51,559 happened to me. It's you know, it's very much. We've 435 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,920 very much reached the point where that's just not a 436 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:04,119 concern anymore. They the White House, the the people I 437 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,160 don't know if they call it, if that's people's house 438 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,039 for Congress, I don't know. God, I hate CIVIX. They 439 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:17,000 host these people dressed as demons. It's completely normal. It's 440 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,400 that is completely normal. What is what seems to be odd, 441 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,680 what seems to be out of the ordinary now is 442 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:32,599 to meet a gay person who's actually you think, oh 443 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,559 that person's that person seems straight. Oh they're gay? Well 444 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:37,519 that shocks. 445 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the exception now, like to the point where 446 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,680 I can recall those quote unquote straight gays that I've 447 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:46,920 met in my life and they stand out as the 448 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,519 odd ball because the homosexuals on display is just everything now. 449 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,599 They're making no effort whatsoever to pretend to be like normal. 450 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: Trying to figure out see what an art hype? Straight? 451 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering that too. What is this R 452 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,200 and Q type? Never heard of that before? 453 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: Well, I'm getting an exhaust pipe. Mm hm, at is 454 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:22,160 sexual orientation. There's just a bunch of different terms here. 455 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,160 Let me see. 456 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: I think our type is also like a reproductive strategy, 457 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,799 isn't it Dunton talks about this or maybe it's k 458 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,720 I don't remember. 459 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not finding anything immediate, So we'll 460 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,359 give the uh, give the folks at home some uh 461 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,480 some homework to do on their own. Can you see 462 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,079 the what I'm sharing right now? 463 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,839 Speaker 2: I only see the article still. 464 00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:52,319 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me get that up then already. Okay. 465 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,359 By the way, we realize that many gays will question 466 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,400 an advertising technique which might threaten to make homosexuality look 467 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,160 like some dreadful disease which strikes faded victims. But the 468 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,319 plain fact is that the gay community is weak and 469 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,960 must manipulate the powers of the week, including the play 470 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:16,519 for sympathy. In any case, we compensate for the negative 471 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:21,079 aspect of the gay victim appeal under Principle four, which 472 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:25,599 we will get to the second message would portray gays 473 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,720 as victims of society. The straight majority does not recognize 474 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,519 the suffering it brings to the lives of gays, and 475 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,960 must be shown graphic pictures of brutalized gaye dramatizations of 476 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:43,039 job in housing, insecurity, loss of child custody, and public humiliation, 477 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:45,519 and the dismal list goes on. 478 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: Well, this is just all not applicable anymore because now 479 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,720 they're raising the flags in place of the Union Jack 480 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:57,240 in Great Britain and raising the giant flag the White House. 481 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,279 So there's really no sense in which they're weak or 482 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,400 like victims of society. I mean, they're clearly just running 483 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,920 society now. So yeah, yet another place where I mean, 484 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:11,079 basically seems like all of Step two can just be 485 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,079 discarded because they've they've won to the point where sort 486 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,039 of pretended to be weak is just no longer relevant, right. 487 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: I think the reason I wanted to read this was 488 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,920 to show people how we got to where we are, 489 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,960 and also there's propaganda in here that pretty much anybody 490 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,480 can use. 491 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,759 Speaker 2: Well, you can see the remnants of it too, Like 492 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,160 you can see the remnants of Step two in their behavior, 493 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,759 even though it's obviously a lie. Like they still pretend 494 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,759 like they're victims even though it's clearly not true. 495 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: Correct, correct, good point, all right. Step three give protectors 496 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,559 a just cause. A media campaign that cascades of society's 497 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,079 victims and encourages straits to be their protectors must make 498 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,559 it easier for those to respond, to assert and explain 499 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,319 their new protectiveness. Few straight women, or even fewer straight men, 500 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,799 will want to defend homosexuality boldly. As such, most would 501 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,960 rather attach their awakened protective impulse to some principle of 502 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,279 justice or law, to some general desire for consistent and 503 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:18,519 fair treatment in society. This is really good. Our campaign 504 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:22,920 should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead 505 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:28,119 take anti discrimination at its theme. The right to free speech, 506 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,000 freedom of beliefs, freedom of association, due process, and equal 507 00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,680 protection of laws. These should be the concerns brought to 508 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,200 mind by our campaign. 509 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,079 Speaker 2: Is well, this is still applicable because it's the same 510 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:50,519 strategy that you know, conservatives will argue against you basically 511 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,519 if you try to make a cause for dismantling like 512 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,960 the Civil Rights Act or something, because their reaction is, oh, well, 513 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,400 if we take away these rights you know, for gays, 514 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,440 then you know my rights for free speech were also threatened. 515 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,960 It's like if you if you it's this sort of 516 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,840 reverse slippery slope argument where it's it's like, if you 517 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,320 take away the gays rights, then my rights are also 518 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,920 under threat, even though there's like, no, there's no evidence 519 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,039 of that whatsoever. This is what I always encounter when 520 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,360 sort of arguing like the trans issue. With most people, 521 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,039 it's like they if you suggest that you can tell 522 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:25,880 someone what to do in the privacy of their own 523 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480 home or whatever, which is sort of attack the coole 524 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,400 concept of the of trans rights or gay rights, then 525 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,679 you're now threatening their freedom to do totally unrelated things. 526 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: Right, and conservatives and kan inc and the James Lindsay's 527 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,039 of the world, they see the they see the taking 528 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:50,039 away of these rights as a taking how it will 529 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,360 affect everybody where. No, we're not seeking to take away 530 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,400 the rights. We're seeking to take away privileges that they've 531 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,159 gotten through these rights, because there's no The Civil Rights 532 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,079 Act didn't grant anyone rights, they granted them privileges. 533 00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: Right, And it's the whole concept is not true. I mean, yes, 534 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,760 we can take away the privileges without having any negative 535 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,000 effect whatsoever on all the privileges of normal people. 536 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, it's like, what did they pass last year 537 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,960 an anti lynching law? What isn't I'm sorry, isn't that 538 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,920 like anti murder? Isn't that you know, you're not allowed 539 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,760 to murder somebody? 540 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 2: What? 541 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,679 Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous, all right. It is especially important for 542 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,159 the gay movement to hitch its cause to accepted standards 543 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,840 of law and justice because it's straight supporters must have 544 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,320 at hand a cogent replied to the moral arguments of 545 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:48,000 its enemies. The homophobes clothe their emotional revulsion in the 546 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,119 daunting robes of religious dogma, so defenders of gay rights 547 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:59,199 must be ready to counter dogma with principle Step four, 548 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,880 make gays look good. In order to make a gay 549 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,760 victim sympathetic to straits, you have to portray him as 550 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,000 every man. But an additional theme of the campaign should 551 00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:14,920 be more aggressive and upbeat. To offset the increasingly bad 552 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,320 press that these times have brought to homosexual men and women, 553 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,639 The campaign should paint gays as superior pillars of society. Yes, yes, 554 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,280 we know. This trick is so old it creaks other 555 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,719 minorities use it all the time in ads that announce proudly, 556 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,639 did you know that this great man or woman was blank? 557 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,760 But the message is vital for all those straits who 558 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:47,639 still picture gays as queer people, shadowy, lonesome, veil, drunken, suicidal, 559 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:53,320 child snatching misfits. The honor roll of prominent gay or 560 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,400 bisexual men and women is truly eye popping, from from 561 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,840 Socrates to Shakespeare, from Alexander the Great to Alixander Hamilton. 562 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,559 That answers a question I've had. From Michaelangelo to Walt Whitman, 563 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,800 from Sappho to Gertrude Stein. The list is as old 564 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,280 as hat to us, but shocking news to heterosexual America. 565 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,039 In no time, a skillful and clever media campaign could 566 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,199 have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother 567 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:26,559 to Western civilization. Along the same lines, we shouldn't overlook 568 00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:31,400 the celebrity endorsement. The celebrities can be straight, God bless 569 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,480 you ed Asner wherever you are, or gay. 570 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 2: And I'm not sure there's much to comment on here. 571 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,800 I mean, it's yeah, this is what they do, everything 572 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,079 superior if it's gay, right, like, always highlight them. The 573 00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:53,320 gay people even claim that his these historical figures were 574 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,760 gay when they weren't rewrite history. 575 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: Well, I mean we even saw someone like Steve Saylor 576 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,199 trying to say that Kazinski was like. 577 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that that stuff is so annoying the 578 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,480 whole well, actually Ted Kaczinski was a transsexual. It's like, 579 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:10,280 shut up, Nerd, just shut. 580 00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: Up, yeah and fuck off. 581 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,599 Speaker 2: Seriously that stuff. It really pisses me off. 582 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,199 Speaker 1: And somebody had commented saying that I think it was 583 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,480 on a YouTube video I had done that. They saw 584 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,960 something on TV the other day that they were claiming 585 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,239 the dB Cooper, you know, the famous robber who jumped 586 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,800 out of a plane and everything that was never found. Oh, 587 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,639 he was trans. It's like everybody's going to become trans 588 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,400 now they're going to look back in history and they're 589 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,760 gonna be like, well, this person was the reason dB 590 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,719 Cooper got away is because he was trans, and he 591 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:48,119 obviously he had to just dress like, you know, jumped 592 00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:49,480 out of the plane and then dressed like a woman, 593 00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:56,920 and that's how he got away. I mean, it's all right. 594 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:03,920 Step five, make the victimizers look bad. At a later 595 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,079 stage of the media campaign for gay rights, long after 596 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,480 other gay ads had become commonplace, it will be time 597 00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:16,559 to get tough with remaining opponents. This, this is for 598 00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:20,320 this time, this is and take a look around you 599 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,599 to be blunt, they must be vilified. This will be all. 600 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,119 This will be all the more necessary because by that 601 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,880 time the entrenched enemy will have quadrupled its output of 602 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:39,320 vitriol and disinformation. Our goal is here. Our goal here 603 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840 is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream self 604 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,360 righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, 605 00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,400 we intend to make the anti gays look so nasty 606 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,840 that average Americans will want to disassociate themselves from such types. 607 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,559 The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes, whose 608 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:05,280 secondary traits and beliefs discussed Middle America. These images might 609 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,880 include the Ku Klux Klan demanding the gays be burned 610 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,199 alive or castrated, bigoted Southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred 611 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,440 to a degree that looks both comical and deranged, menacing 612 00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,440 punk's thugs, and convicts speaking coolly about the fags they 613 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,679 have killed or would like to kill. A tour of 614 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:32,119 Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed. A 615 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,960 campaign to vilify the victimizers is going to enrage our 616 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,719 most furtivid enemies, of course, But what else can we say? 617 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,719 The shoe fits and we should make them try it 618 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,239 on for size with all of America watching. 619 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they didn't even care either about 620 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,000 what whether or not any of this is true. Obviously, 621 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,760 they're just gonna it's the same old thing, Just label 622 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,840 you nazi whatever. 623 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the I don't know how much of the rest 624 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000 of the article we need to we need to read 625 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,199 because a lot of it is about fundraising, and although 626 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,639 fundraising is really important in something that we should be studying, 627 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:26,880 especially on the especially on the right. 628 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:29,519 Speaker 2: Really in terms of learning too. I mean, we can 629 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:33,400 clearly learn from from this step right here, where this 630 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,400 is basically what we have to do to them, and 631 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:40,519 just flip the image back and you know, show how 632 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,320 degenerate and disgusting and gross they actually are, you know, 633 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,039 both comical and deranged, as they say, menacing punk's thugs. 634 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:49,920 I mean that's what they literately are. I mean, if 635 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,840 you read that sentence, comical and deranged, menacing punk's thugs 636 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,199 and convicts, I mean, that's what they are, So that's 637 00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:59,880 the strategy. 638 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, let me see if I like, I 639 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,159 have that over here. Yeah, the so they like so 640 00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:21,840 quickly they say solicit funds. Any massive kind of campaign 641 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,079 of this kind requires expenditures for months. One thing he 642 00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:30,679 says here, which is very interesting, is effective advertising is 643 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,800 a cost proposition. Several million dollars would get the ball rolling. 644 00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:39,440 There are ten to fifteen million, primarily homosexual adults in 645 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,840 this country. If each one of them donated just two 646 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,280 dollars to the campaign, it's war chest would rival that 647 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,719 of the most of their most vocal enemies. Yeah. I 648 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:56,840 mean that's let's see in thirty five years, that probably 649 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:02,320 should be probably ten to fifteen or twenty dollars now 650 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:03,679 considering inflation. 651 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,559 Speaker 2: But yeah, they don't even need that anymore anyway, because 652 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,800 now they have a whole regime on their side. But 653 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,519 for us, I mean, part of the phase we need 654 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,519 to get to is and we're kind of doing it 655 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,880 obviously with organizations like the Old Glory Club. We have 656 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,280 to get past the point of individual contributions going to 657 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,480 individual contributors and start getting people donating to various organizations 658 00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:32,719 by formalizing our relationships. Because you know, in our case, 659 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,519 for one, not everyone is donating. In two, even if 660 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,519 they do, the donations are getting spread out among individuals, 661 00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,239 which mostly just contributes to their personal projects and not 662 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,400 the kind of initiative they're talking about here with advertising. 663 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,480 But I do think we have the capacity to actually fundraise. 664 00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,199 It's but it's very much on our part on this 665 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,599 side of things right now to provide the organizational structure 666 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,239 of people to donate to and also have a like, 667 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,920 what are we actually doing with the money? Right We 668 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,719 need to have a reason for people to give us 669 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,280 money at all. 670 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think that's one of the most important 671 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,840 things is I think more and more people are starting 672 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:21,760 to see the benefit of local activism above all. Right now, 673 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,440 I mean, no doing it to me, and people can 674 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,920 contradict me on this, you know, I'm fine with that. 675 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,320 Any money that you're putting towards somebody who is running 676 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,480 for walk a position in Washington, DC, you just flush 677 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,159 that money down the toilet, even if they get elected. Blush. 678 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,920 They're not gonna be able to do anything at this point. 679 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,239 I mean, we're not We're not even at the point 680 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,639 where a you know, people talk about the Red Caesar 681 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,039 or the Protestant Franco. That's the one that's been going 682 00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:02,519 around lately. We're not at that point, and so concentrating 683 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:10,440 at all on on national politics to me is a mistake. 684 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,199 I think what what we should be doing is we 685 00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:20,440 should be getting advanced, getting experience in politics, because I 686 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,920 think a lot of a lot of us have not 687 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,280 been in politics at the local level, whether that be 688 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,159 running for some kind of small office at the local level, 689 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,639 or volunteering time, you know, with the with the local 690 00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:37,400 sheriff or the local school board, or just going to 691 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,880 remember Thoe Bishop telling me five years ago or something 692 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,679 like that, how he had one guy who would just 693 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,559 go he was he had a Facebook page. It eventually 694 00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:51,639 got taken down. He would just go and film his 695 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,920 local city council meetings and then he would post it 696 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000 online and he would comment on it. He'd be like, Okay, 697 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,559 this this is wasteful. What they're doing here. Is wasteful 698 00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:05,400 what they're doing here. And it drew a lot of 699 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,719 attention and it caused a lot of change. 700 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,760 Speaker 2: So wow, that's really interesting. Yeah, So that seems much 701 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,599 more effective than actually trying to speak at the meetings. 702 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you Yeah, if you go in there 703 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,920 and you can get videotape the whole thing, the whole proceeding, 704 00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,440 and then start, you know, go home, watch it, take notes, 705 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,039 and then do a video on it. That's a that 706 00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,559 does a lot. And you know, even if it doesn't 707 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:36,320 help in even if you can't change anything locally to you, 708 00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:41,320 it's going to help somebody somewhere where they can, where 709 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,400 they can have changed, have changed done locally. 710 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'll start doing that. 711 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:56,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I jumping right to national politics or 712 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,960 even state level politics. I mean state level politics is rutal. 713 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,199 And I watched the state races here in Alabama last year, 714 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,159 and I mean there were some I mean we knew 715 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,400 pretty much everything was going to go red because we're 716 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,280 a super majority red state, but there were a couple 717 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:19,280 of districts that went blue. And just to watch the vitriol, Yeah, 718 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,719 it'll teach you something. I think it's a lot easier locally, 719 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,519 and especially with ye if you're in a town that 720 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,760 is a town of a thousand. Honestly, how many people 721 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,599 are they're interested in local politics out of that thousand people? 722 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,320 Speaker 2: Not enough. I actually do go to my local city 723 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,360 council meetings and I think, you know, everyone should at 724 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,800 least a couple uh, you know, once every few months. 725 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,239 If you can't go every single time. 726 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you can learn a lot about how politics, 727 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,639 how politics works, and then yeah, you can move on 728 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,880 from there. I'm not saying that everybody. I never want 729 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,039 to be an elected office ever. Maybe sheriff, I don't know, 730 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,280 but that's really a joke. My wife would kill me. 731 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:20,159 But the I am willing more than willing to provide anything, 732 00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:24,719 any help whatsoever, any of my research how things have 733 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,400 been done in the past. You know exactly how much 734 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,280 power a sheriff for a mayor of a locality has, 735 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,679 and work with them on it, because I think we're 736 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,360 there's a good chance that there are going to be 737 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,400 a lot of localities where you're going to be overrun 738 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,519 by the FED. You know, my friend Brandon is an 739 00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:46,000 elected he's a councilman up in a small town in 740 00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:52,639 Indiana and he's been He just made one tweet that 741 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,440 they that some leftists didn't like in this really small town. 742 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,480 And it wasn't even leftist inside the town. It was 743 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,960 from the outside of people on the outside watching and 744 00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:03,559 they just swooped in for the attack, and I mean 745 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,079 just started calling all of his colleagues, you know, saying 746 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:11,079 you need to dissociate from him. And then when they 747 00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:13,239 didn't do that, they were like, oh, well he raped 748 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,599 a girl in high school. 749 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,199 Speaker 2: Every single time. I mean, we'll bring that out, you. 750 00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:23,599 Speaker 1: Know, yeah something. Yeah, And anyone who's listening to this, 751 00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:26,679 who thinks that you're going to have a converse you're 752 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,840 going to have an honest conversation with the left, just 753 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,679 remember that. Just remember that it's always a false rape allegation. 754 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,719 It's always something. They are going to do anything to 755 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,119 destroy you, so you're going to have to destroy them first. 756 00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,840 That's I think that's where we're at. I don't know 757 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,679 about you, Charlie. 758 00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. We sort of touched on this 759 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,360 going over the article. But you know, you can't really 760 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,119 pretend like there's some sort of way to have a 761 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,519 principal dialogue or anything like that with these people because 762 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,840 they don't care about that. That whole process of you know, 763 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,800 debating and convincing and talking it over only exists to 764 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,559 make you lose. So you know, there's really nothing to do. 765 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,719 But I would organize them and then try to exclude 766 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,760 them from organizations. 767 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it, that's where we're at. All right. 768 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,400 Well let's uh, let's cut this one along. That's a 769 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,880 lot shorter than no one's I've been doing it lately, 770 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,039 but I'm sure that some people will appreciate that. And 771 00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,239 I think we've packed in a lot of information. So 772 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,199 what do you got to plug? What should we talk about? Uh? 773 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 2: Yep? I just wrote an article for the Old Glory 774 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,840 Club on Ted Kaczynski on our blog, so check that out. 775 00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:54,840 Check out my YouTube channel Charlemagne as usual. I'll I 776 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,760 do have something scheduled coming up looking at some war 777 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,599 games that were sponsored by NBC regarding China. Just trying 778 00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,559 to plan out a live stream on that which should 779 00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:09,079 be really interesting. So that's upcoming, and yeah, that's all 780 00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:09,480 I got. 781 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,639 Speaker 1: I'll make sure the links all that and remind people, yeah, 782 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,519 about the Old Glory Club. I'm a I'm a member, 783 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,280 And actually tonight I think Paul and I are going 784 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,639 to stream and I'm going to do give my talk 785 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,719 on Ted kay and you know what the what his 786 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,320 writing is, the manifesto and various writings, what I think 787 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,719 they mean and why people should read them. So thank you, 788 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,719 Charles appreciate it. 789 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:39,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for inviting me.