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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode of The Trip Cast is brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by Raise Your Hand, Texas and One World Strategy Group.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome back to the Tribcast. I'm Eleanor Klibanoff,

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<v Speaker 1>women's health reporter here at the Tribune, joined by my

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<v Speaker 1>co host, politics reporter James Berrigan.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing, James, I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>Great and fan favorite friend of the pod politics reporter

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<v Speaker 1>Jasper Sharer, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know I was a fan favorite, but happy.

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<v Speaker 2>To be back.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Jasper is standing in today for our co host Matthew Watkins,

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<v Speaker 1>which I believe also gives you all the powers of

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<v Speaker 1>interim editor in chief.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fine, it's, you know, a big duty. But all

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<v Speaker 4>I take my powers, I don't take them lightly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, long overdue. People have been saying, many people, do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any emergency action items you're going to shove

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<v Speaker 1>through while you're interim editor in chief.

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<v Speaker 3>M That's a good quest.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've just learned ten seconds ago that I

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<v Speaker 4>have this title now, so I haven't put a ton

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<v Speaker 4>of thought into it, but I am excited to try

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, Phil Matthew's shoes on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Power. This week's episode is all about the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas the top dog in Texas, Governor Greg Abbot. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>the governor gave his State of the State address on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>where he laid out the emergency items that the legislature

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<v Speaker 1>can fast track, sort of his priorities for the session.

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<v Speaker 1>This speech is also an opportunity for the governor, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been governor for a decade to sort of talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how the state is going under his tutelage, under his leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>Came at a tricky time this year, I think for Abbot.

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<v Speaker 1>Just hours before this speech, Texas experience a pretty significant tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dallas Mavericks traded Luka Doncik.

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<v Speaker 2>To the La Laders.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's important that we start and I

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<v Speaker 1>think people put a lot of trust in us here

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<v Speaker 1>at the Texas Tribune. Who you get your news from matters.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go on the record and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say to our North Texas listeners, our North Texas fans,

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<v Speaker 1>I am not now and have never been a Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles Lakers fan. Jasper, have you ever been a Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles Lakers fan?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I can't say I have I can't speak for

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<v Speaker 4>everyone on the podcast, but personally no.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So that's two of three.

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<v Speaker 5>James, I love the Los Angeles Lakers. I will not

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<v Speaker 5>apologize for it, and I'm sorry. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 5>the Nico Harrison made a bad decision, but it benefits

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<v Speaker 5>my team, So I am okay with this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's a matter that maybe the House

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<v Speaker 4>General Investigative Committee should start taking a look at just

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<v Speaker 4>they've They've been dormant for some number of months now

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<v Speaker 4>and this I just feel like things look a little

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<v Speaker 4>fishy here.

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<v Speaker 2>To look into what went into the decision? Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>A what went.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the decision? B James's fandom of the LA right

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<v Speaker 1>that too. Yeah, it is a trade that the Ringer

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as the dumbest NBA move I've ever seen someone.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it was the front page of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Morning News. I mean, I feel like Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>is mourning, Like are the MAVs.

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<v Speaker 2>There's done?

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<v Speaker 5>There was a literal like funeral situation rightside of the

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I guess some of them.

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<v Speaker 4>The more I think you could call it outlandish speculation

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<v Speaker 4>or at least, you know, really verging in almost conspiracy

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<v Speaker 4>theory territory, but maybe not is that you know, Miriam

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<v Speaker 4>Addelson of course is part of the ownership group that

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<v Speaker 4>has the majority ownership stake. She wants to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>legalize casinos, legalized gaming in Texas. Has the prospects for

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<v Speaker 4>but I feel like just the ties to the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>of Texas politics connection, and everyone's running rampant with all

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<v Speaker 4>the speculation right off the bat.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a trade so bad you have to assume

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<v Speaker 1>there's some kind of political ulterior motive motivate play. Yeah, James,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have anything you'd like to say to the

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<v Speaker 5>I've been completely caught off guard by this intro right now,

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<v Speaker 5>and I feel like it was just to make fun

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<v Speaker 5>of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I told Jess right said, please come, prepare to talk about.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think what the listeners are learning is that

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<v Speaker 5>we are political reporters and not sports reporters. We do

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<v Speaker 5>not have a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to tie this back to the Texas legislature

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<v Speaker 1>and the odds of a gambling a legislation which is terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>not the legislation. I just mean that we can ruin

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<v Speaker 1>anything by making it about the Texas legislature.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, come to parties with us were very fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, moving on to the real stuff, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>also on Sunday night, Houston native Beyonce one Album of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year at the Grammys. Huge night for Texas. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've just hearded learned that a resolution has been filed

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<v Speaker 1>to honor her. So Texas legislation, legislature connections to everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles Nativekendrick Lamar also did pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Well at the gramm How dare you uh right not

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<v Speaker 1>to say to that? Yes, I refuse to engage with

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<v Speaker 1>that information. Anyway. Let's move on to Governor Abbott and

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<v Speaker 1>the State of the State address. James You on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>State Address. Talked just a little bit about the event.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the vibe was celebratory.

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<v Speaker 5>As listeners may know, this is a tradition the State

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<v Speaker 5>of the State address that traditionally had been held at

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<v Speaker 5>the House and Senate. But a couple of years ago

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<v Speaker 5>the show on the road. First, he did it during

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<v Speaker 5>the pandemic and now he's continued sort of doing that tradition,

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<v Speaker 5>holding it at businesses to sort of, I think emphasize

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<v Speaker 5>in business. So it was a lot of invited attendees.

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<v Speaker 5>The number given to us in the press box was

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<v Speaker 5>was sort of a summary of what the governor believes

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<v Speaker 5>is going right in the state of Texas. We're leaders

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<v Speaker 5>in business in the nation. Got a lot of top

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<v Speaker 5>tier research universities and casting his vision forward for what

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, it's all invited guests. So I saw

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<v Speaker 5>people saying, oh, he's getting a standing ovation. He's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>A standing ovation.

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<v Speaker 3>Friendly audience.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a friendly audience, but you know it was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a speech that cast Governor Abbott's vision forward, saying,

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<v Speaker 5>here's what we need to do for the next couple

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<v Speaker 5>of decades for Texas to remain a leader. And some

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<v Speaker 5>of those things we're going to talk about, like water infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 5>which seems like nuts and bolts kind of boring stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>But then there's also other things like school vouchers that

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<v Speaker 5>And then things that weren't emergency items but that he

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<v Speaker 5>certainly stressed were things like immigration, further restrictions on diversity,

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<v Speaker 5>equity and inclusion programs not just in universities but in

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<v Speaker 5>other tax paying entities, so we'll see what comes of that.

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<v Speaker 5>And then further restrictions on transgender Texans in public life,

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<v Speaker 5>which which really caught a lot of people's attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean, were there any big surprises to you

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<v Speaker 1>jasper on what got the attention?

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<v Speaker 4>What didn't I don't you know, I don't think so

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<v Speaker 4>I mean one thing that maybe caught my attention rather

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<v Speaker 4>I guess broad some of the you know, the overall

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<v Speaker 4>like menu of items was how there's kind of something

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<v Speaker 4>for everyone in the sense that like what James was

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<v Speaker 4>talking about, you know, there's I think everyone in the

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<v Speaker 4>universe of Texas politics knew that education savings accounts was

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<v Speaker 4>going to be on the list. Bail reform, the Republican

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<v Speaker 4>version of bail reform has been this is a repeat item.

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<v Speaker 4>So some of the more partisan items I think were expected,

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<v Speaker 4>and then just kind of the everything else I think

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<v Speaker 4>the the shoring up the water infrastructure, teacher pay, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it it was, I guess notable in how

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<v Speaker 4>uncontroversial the agenda was beyond sort of the partisan items

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<v Speaker 4>that we all we all knew would would be on there.

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<v Speaker 5>I think part of that was to sort of project

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<v Speaker 5>the strength on things like fool vouchers, but also to

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<v Speaker 5>sort of quell this infighting that we have seen in

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<v Speaker 5>the Texas GOP for many many years now. He has

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<v Speaker 5>Jasper put really well, is putting something out there for

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<v Speaker 5>everybody business friendly Republicans love it. They love the investment

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<v Speaker 5>and water infrastructure, They love the career workforce training that

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<v Speaker 5>is coming. Something that wasn't an emergency item but that

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<v Speaker 5>he talked about was investment in nuclear power and nuclear energy.

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<v Speaker 5>They love all that stuff because it creates a better

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<v Speaker 5>business atmosphere. And then social conservatives are very very happy

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<v Speaker 5>about school vouchers, are very happy about DEI talk, are

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<v Speaker 5>very happy about the further restrictions on transgender Texans and

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<v Speaker 5>about immigration. So something for everybody, and everybody seems the

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<v Speaker 5>Republicans of that is, seem to be happy with the

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<v Speaker 5>direction that Abbot is laying out.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys mentioned most of these, but just for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of totality, the seven emergency items were cutting property taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>a generational investment in water infrastructure, increasing teacher pay, vocational

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<v Speaker 1>training programs, school choice, school vouchers, educational savings accounts, bail reform,

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<v Speaker 1>and then creating a cybersecurity hub in San Antonio.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thats me for a loop. Yeah, because it's a

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<v Speaker 5>little boring, boring, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little specific, a little yeah, yeah, but I think.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like a national security thing, but it is kind

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<v Speaker 5>of boring.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good reminder that like a lot of what

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<v Speaker 1>the government does is gets no headlines and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is not that incendiary, but is important.

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<v Speaker 4>Could maybe throw that in the category of things that

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<v Speaker 4>the business you know, the Chamber of Commerce Republicans would

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how does this sort of align with what we're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing from the House and the Senate on what they

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<v Speaker 4>I think it generally lines up pretty pretty closely, especially

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<v Speaker 4>with I think the Senate has a more with with

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<v Speaker 4>formal agenda that you know, we can sort of compare

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<v Speaker 4>to and just looking at what, you know, the emergency

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<v Speaker 4>items that Dan Patrick has has already listed as his priorities, water, infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 4>property tax cuts, school choice, education savings accounts, and bail

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<v Speaker 4>reform are all up there, and those you know, those

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<v Speaker 4>low built numbers. And I think Speaker Burrows also put

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<v Speaker 4>out a statement, you know, listing a few items that

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<v Speaker 4>he said basically, you know, we're all aligned on passing

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff. So I think, you know, there there were

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<v Speaker 4>may be some some items on Dan Patrick's priority list

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<v Speaker 4>that that were not mentioned by Abbott. You know, you could,

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<v Speaker 4>you could talk about that, but you know, I did.

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<v Speaker 4>It did seem to me that Abbot was intentionally going

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<v Speaker 4>back to my earlier point about you know it. It

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of striking how little controversial stuff was on here.

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<v Speaker 4>It feels like that could be kind of an intentional

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<v Speaker 4>move to you know, let's make sure we can knock

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<v Speaker 4>out school vouchers, essays and some of these other, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>tricky things like property tax cuts. Took two special sessions

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<v Speaker 4>last year. Let's get those out of the way before

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<v Speaker 4>we bring up, you know, all the stuff that could

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<v Speaker 4>have nasty floor fights and derail these other items.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the speaker's statement that you're referencing said, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 5>The speaker's statement that you're referencing said, the House Senate

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<v Speaker 5>and Governor Abbott are quote clearly aligned. So he and

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<v Speaker 5>the items that he was mentioning were all items that

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<v Speaker 5>were emergency items for the governor.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're trying to project unity.

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<v Speaker 5>They're trying to project that they're all on the same

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<v Speaker 5>page and there's not going to be this infighting that

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<v Speaker 5>we saw. We may be on track to another Kumbai

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<v Speaker 5>Ya session like we saw in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Was distant memory.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll have to wait and see what that relationship between

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<v Speaker 5>the House and the Senate looks like. But also also

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<v Speaker 5>can I just get on like a little rant here, please,

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<v Speaker 5>seven emergency items, that's what you call priorities. When you

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<v Speaker 5>have seven of them, you can track them, and we

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<v Speaker 5>know easily what the seven are.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven even is a little bit big.

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<v Speaker 5>But Lieutenant Governor has forty forty and that has grown

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<v Speaker 5>from the original twenty that it was. And I get

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<v Speaker 5>the idea of like you've got to do more and more,

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<v Speaker 5>but when you have forty like it, each one gets

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<v Speaker 5>a little less deprioritized.

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<v Speaker 2>And the House under Speaker Feeling was going to have

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty of them. Now we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it's actually going to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Like Speaker Borrows hasn't put out his statement, but just

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<v Speaker 5>a little rant about priorities and top the Governor said

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<v Speaker 5>seven and he said these are our emergency items, and

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<v Speaker 5>then he talked about a bunch of other issues. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think you know he's covering all his bases. But

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<v Speaker 5>that's it's just a little pet peeve of you. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>and we should note too, that. Patrick also made a

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<v Speaker 5>point to say, even if an item is not included

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<v Speaker 5>in this top forty list doesn't mean that it's not

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<v Speaker 5>a priority or it's not important. So really forty is

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<v Speaker 5>kind of just the starting point of his So he's right, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like everyone gets a few. There's not even there's not

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<v Speaker 1>that many senators guys.

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<v Speaker 5>As a wise woman once said, a friend to all

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<v Speaker 5>is a friend and none though, come on now, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>there's just show what your priorities are.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say if I could broad this out even further.

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<v Speaker 1>A real issue I have had with the Texas I've

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<v Speaker 1>covered several state legislatures. There's too many bills, period, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter if their priorities or not. Texas the text legislature

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<v Speaker 1>files north of ten thousand bills every session. We pass

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<v Speaker 1>about a thousand of them. Many of them are the

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<v Speaker 1>same bill again and again and again. It is insane

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I just saw a memo someone I think

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<v Speaker 1>Brad Johnson tweeted out this memo from the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>legislative Legislative Research Council that you know helps write the bills,

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<v Speaker 1>basically being like, can you please tell us which ones

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<v Speaker 1>are your priorities? So we can like prioritize getting those written.

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<v Speaker 1>How about everyone? Here's my ask to the Texas legislators

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<v Speaker 1>when you are sending a memo to them saying, these

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<v Speaker 1>are the priorities I'd like you to, you know, prioritize

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<v Speaker 1>these bills of the many that I have five asked

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<v Speaker 1>you to write up. Just knock off everything else at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom there. Just just everyone gets a couple of priorities.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what according to our politics editor are now

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<v Speaker 1>managing editor for Politics and Enterprise, Rebecca Allen has told

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<v Speaker 1>me that Louisiana they meet every year, but every other

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<v Speaker 1>year there's a limit on how many bills legislators can file.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's give that a try in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an interesting idea. I mean, I think, to be fair, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, let's stop talking on a high wire right now.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a pleasure to be here. Now I am. I

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<v Speaker 4>will just to be fair to the Lieutenant governor. I

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<v Speaker 4>do think that, you know, he he has still been

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<v Speaker 4>pretty intentional about you know, the low bill numbers are

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<v Speaker 4>still you know, he indicates that those are his his

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<v Speaker 4>utmost priorities. I think, you know, he sort of assumes

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<v Speaker 4>that people know Senate Bill three, like his his THHC

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<v Speaker 4>I think people aren't necessarily equating that in importance to

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<v Speaker 4>like Senate Bill thirty nine, no offense to whoever files that,

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, it's it's.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's also sort of like him flexing his muscles

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<v Speaker 4>in some way where he's like he's just amassed this.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's pretty regularly referred to as like the

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<v Speaker 4>most powerful lieutenant governor in history, and he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna roll out forty priority bills and like get guys

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's not being nothing about being unfair. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like just something that is like more colloquial,

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<v Speaker 2>very easy.

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<v Speaker 5>There's the Ten Commandments, there's the seven sacraments, right, they

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<v Speaker 5>make it easy for the people to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I will say, I mean there is a

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<v Speaker 1>risk to doing seven items when in fact we know

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<v Speaker 1>that of these also, of these seven, you know a

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<v Speaker 1>few of them are higher priorities, and certainly you do forty,

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<v Speaker 1>you get to say at the end, we passed a

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<v Speaker 1>majority of my priorities with this. You know, Governor Abbott

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<v Speaker 1>has thrown a ton of political capital last session and

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<v Speaker 1>this and now this session into vouchers. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we can really see this as like there's seven

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<v Speaker 1>and one rises above the rest, right, what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>James talked to us a little bit about how we

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<v Speaker 1>got here. Governor Abbot's role in getting vouchers to this point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you.

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<v Speaker 5>Make an excellent point, like there's seven of them. It's

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<v Speaker 5>easier for us to track, like, it's easier for the

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<v Speaker 5>people to watch. It's also easier to snipe them. It's

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<v Speaker 5>a bigger gamble, for sure, percent bigger gamble. Didn't get

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<v Speaker 5>his agenda done.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what I'll say.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, the governor is at an all time high

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of his power.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>He was very involved in the Republican primaries last year.

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<v Speaker 5>He wiped out eleven of fourteen opponents to school vouchers

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<v Speaker 5>and replace them with people who say they support it.

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<v Speaker 5>He's so confident that the day after the election he says,

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<v Speaker 5>We've got seventy nine hardcore.

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<v Speaker 2>School voucher supporters.

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<v Speaker 5>That's more than the seventy six that he needs to

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<v Speaker 5>get passed in the House, which is where the problem was.

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<v Speaker 5>He's also raised or has seventy million dollars in the

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<v Speaker 5>bank for an election that's two years away. And right

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<v Speaker 5>now you look around and see who would be crazy

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<v Speaker 5>enough to challenge Governor Abbott in an election, whether that

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<v Speaker 5>be in Republican Party from the right or any Democrat

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<v Speaker 5>who would want to go up against that gargantuan war chess.

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<v Speaker 5>He is at his all time strength, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's what he's projecting in this It's a bold sort

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<v Speaker 5>of agenda that he's put out. School vouchers is the

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<v Speaker 5>number one thing, and he's saying, you guys want to

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<v Speaker 5>oppose me on anything, I dare you, look at what

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<v Speaker 5>just happened to the folks that did that last time around.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think the legislature has gotten the message and

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<v Speaker 5>they are on board, and that's why you're seeing so

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<v Speaker 5>much unity. Not to mention that he has also been

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<v Speaker 5>very wise with the way he's put the agenda out.

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<v Speaker 5>He realizes he's got a Republican majority in both chambers,

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<v Speaker 5>and he sprinkled a little bit of something for everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's a unifying agenda for Republicans and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just super strong. So there's nobody's going to challenge him now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Democrats.

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<v Speaker 5>They are in real trouble, and there's clear opposition from

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<v Speaker 5>them to a lot of the agenda, not necessarily the

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<v Speaker 5>emergency items, but some of the emergency items, certainly including

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<v Speaker 5>how the teacher pay.

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<v Speaker 2>Raise is going to go.

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<v Speaker 5>But what do you do if you're the Democrats is

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<v Speaker 5>my question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a tough session for them, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, Jasper Governor Abbott, Like you know, last

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<v Speaker 1>session we went to several special sessions on school Boucher's

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<v Speaker 1>He's thrown his weight behind you know, in these races.

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<v Speaker 1>He has come out very clearly as like this is

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<v Speaker 1>the cornerstone of at least you know, the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years of his or you know that's most recent

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<v Speaker 1>few years. How much of his legacy is riting on

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<v Speaker 1>getting this done this session, you know, from the zenith

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<v Speaker 1>of his power to it's a big risk.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I think the short answer is a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's especially just thinking about he's been in

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, he's he's generally gotten what he wants

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<v Speaker 4>from the legisl but he hasn't with some exceptions. But

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<v Speaker 4>he hasn't you know, I'd be hard pressed to think

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<v Speaker 4>of like really a legacy defining you know, item like

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<v Speaker 4>this that he's put all his weight behind and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>gotten it through, and we could think twenty thirty years

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<v Speaker 4>down the line that people will like associate this new

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<v Speaker 4>law with like his name. So in that sense, this

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<v Speaker 4>is like, you know, potentially what people will remember his

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<v Speaker 4>his governorship for, especially if it comes kind of towards

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<v Speaker 4>the tail end of it, depending on how many more

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<v Speaker 4>kind of impressive in some ways just thinking about how,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, where education savings accounts vouchers were at in

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<v Speaker 4>those you know, the test votes in the House, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>going back even just like four or six years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>in the twenties. The number of votes for vouchers up

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<v Speaker 4>to potentially in the seventies is pretty significant. So I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, I think it's a lot is writing on

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<v Speaker 4>it and kind of like what James is saying, it's

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<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of his his political like it's assumed

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<v Speaker 4>right now that he is at the height of his powers.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, if if he struggles to get it through,

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<v Speaker 4>Like if they get stuck at seventy four seventy five

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<v Speaker 4>votes somehow it's you know, that'll be a huge black

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<v Speaker 4>mark on him in some ways, given the expectations that

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<v Speaker 1>Right, absolutely, all right, Let's take a quick break to

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks and her Powerhouse team don't just play the game,

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<v Speaker 1>smart strategy, real impact, proven results. James tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about Greg Abbott as a leader. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been a longtime governor, but like you said, not

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of splashy in a state of a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a let's say, firebrand political leaders. He sort of runs

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<v Speaker 1>a little more quiet.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Yeah, And I think having spoken to people who

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<v Speaker 5>have worked for the governor and seen sort of behind

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<v Speaker 5>the scenes. They've sort of admitted that he has grown

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<v Speaker 5>into the job. You know, he spent most of his

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<v Speaker 5>career in the legal field as an attorney, as a judge,

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<v Speaker 5>as the attorney general, and it's a different role from

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<v Speaker 5>being in the executive and being working with the legislature.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think if you think back to twenty fifteen, you

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<v Speaker 5>could certainly see a governor who was getting his head

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<v Speaker 5>on straight about how to work with the legislature. And

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<v Speaker 5>he was so different from his immediate predecessor, Perry, who

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<v Speaker 5>was a creature of the legislature and had been in

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<v Speaker 5>both the House and the Senate and knew how to

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<v Speaker 5>sort of play the game. I don't think it can

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<v Speaker 5>be argued that Governor Abbott doesn't know how to play

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<v Speaker 5>the game now. He I think certainly takes a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit longer to sort of go out there and say

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<v Speaker 5>his public position, a public view on a position or

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<v Speaker 5>on an issue. But once he's made up his mind,

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<v Speaker 5>he's going full bore on it. And we've seen that

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<v Speaker 5>with school vouchers, right. It wasn't something that I think

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<v Speaker 5>people in his circles say he's always been a supporter,

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<v Speaker 5>but he clearly was not as strong a supporter in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty seventeen or twenty nineteen or even twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 5>It really came last session in twenty twenty three that

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<v Speaker 5>we saw him going like really really strongly for this.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, school Boucher's supporters they see that and

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<v Speaker 5>they say, this has really sort of changed the dynamic here.

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<v Speaker 5>He has become a lot stronger. We've also seen it

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<v Speaker 5>on things like immigration. He is very very clear on

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<v Speaker 5>how being stricter border enforcement, stricter immigration enforcement, and he's

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<v Speaker 5>really gone for it. So I think he's grown into

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<v Speaker 5>this very very very strong governor who is willing to

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<v Speaker 5>do almost unprecedented things like we have seen with the

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<v Speaker 5>immigration enforcement in the state led border wall, and then

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<v Speaker 5>also even in trying to get his agenda through with

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<v Speaker 5>his involvement in the primaries. He's really become this very

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<v Speaker 5>very powerful governor that I think people ten years ago

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<v Speaker 5>might not have foreseen.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I think it's also interesting to add on

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<v Speaker 4>to that point about just you know, he of course

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<v Speaker 4>went scorched earth in the primaries, but even you know

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<v Speaker 4>before that, like during session, you know, and it's been

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<v Speaker 4>interesting to see him how he interacts with the legislator,

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<v Speaker 4>the legislature as someone who hasn't served there before. Just

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<v Speaker 4>he was showing all these hardball tendencies even before you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it got to election season, where he was you know,

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<v Speaker 4>went on a veto spree, you know, penalizing lawmakers who

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<v Speaker 4>didn't get on board with vouchers or I believe also

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<v Speaker 4>some of the rationale for that was penalizing them for

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<v Speaker 4>not getting property attacks cuts done in time. Even going

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<v Speaker 4>back to the twenty twenty one session when Republicans were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to pass the they're voting an election overhaul bill

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<v Speaker 4>and the they failed to do that during the regular

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<v Speaker 4>session and the Democrats fled the state and held up

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<v Speaker 4>the bill. You know, Abbott went ahead and defunded, used

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<v Speaker 4>the line item veto to I guess, defund the legislature.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's clearly establishing this pattern of like governing and

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<v Speaker 4>and sort of interacting with the legislature. You know, he

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<v Speaker 4>also of course has his allies who you know, will

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<v Speaker 4>work with him on sort of you know, the weedsy

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<v Speaker 4>stuff and you know, getting what he needs in the

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<v Speaker 4>budget and and all that kind of stuff. But we've

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<v Speaker 4>also you know, I guess a striking number of these

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<v Speaker 4>kind of high profile clashes involving Abbott in the legislature

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<v Speaker 4>where he's not you know, he's willing to use the sword.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's interesting too because having spoken with people who

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<v Speaker 5>have worked for the governor as well, like again they said,

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<v Speaker 5>he wants to have good relationships with the legislature. He

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't like it when there's that rift between them, right.

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<v Speaker 5>But to your point, is has shown that if you

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<v Speaker 5>don't get on board with something that he has clearly

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<v Speaker 5>said is a priority item, there will be consequences. And

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<v Speaker 5>we saw the worst version of that for the people

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<v Speaker 5>who lost in the primaries. But there has been previous ones,

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<v Speaker 5>like defunding the legislature, and it's something that I think

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<v Speaker 5>is interesting for us to view as that separation of

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<v Speaker 5>the legislative branch and the executive branch because.

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<v Speaker 2>He has grown so strong.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, even at the peak of Rick Perry's height,

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<v Speaker 5>there was that thing where he wanted to require like

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<v Speaker 5>HPV vaccines and the legislature overwrote it and they were like, no,

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<v Speaker 5>we're not going to do that. And that was like

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<v Speaker 5>the legislature sort of flexing its muscle saying no, we

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<v Speaker 5>are our own independent branch and we are going to

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<v Speaker 5>do things our way because we are an equal branch

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<v Speaker 5>at government.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 5>The governor is so popular and so strong, and popular

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<v Speaker 5>is important because voters really really like Greg Abbott, and

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<v Speaker 5>so he is so powerful and so popular and so

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<v Speaker 5>strong that he sort of has overridden that sort of independence,

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<v Speaker 5>if you will, of the legislature.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and he's like a voracious like fundraiser, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he has learned like he is not the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who is like making the headlines with like crazy quotes

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<v Speaker 1>or like getting out that. I mean, he certainly does

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<v Speaker 1>interviews on Fox News and things like that, but he

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<v Speaker 1>is that's not what he is known for. He's like

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<v Speaker 1>I think certainly maybe always new, but now really seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have stepped into like this like soft powers soft

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're on the other side of it, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the behind the scenes stuff, you know, he can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, unless you're closely watching the Texas legislature,

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<v Speaker 1>you just kind of know him as like as Greg Abbott,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like he's not really I know this from

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<v Speaker 1>like a report of a lot of the Attorney General's office,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, he really like laid the groundwork for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, suing the Obama administration and like suing the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Texas as. This leader in setting policy

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<v Speaker 1>through the courts, and like you know, rarely talks about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know it talks about it when it

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<v Speaker 1>serves him. But now you've got Ken Paxton, who obviously

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<v Speaker 1>takes a very different pr tack.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's more of a like a focused power,

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<v Speaker 5>Like he has the things that he wants to do,

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<v Speaker 5>and he certainly I mean, he goes on Fox News

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<v Speaker 5>on those things like immigration, and he has obviously gone

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<v Speaker 5>on a big campaign tour about vouchers, but he doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>feel the need to like talk about every single thing.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, I'm with you guys on these things, like

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<v Speaker 5>I don't need to. He's got his going back to

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<v Speaker 5>this his priority, and he's like, I'm going to focus

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<v Speaker 5>on these because I know I've got where the same

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<v Speaker 5>page about everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to be talking about it all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think, I mean, one area where he we

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<v Speaker 4>have seen I guess maybe the limits or I guess

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<v Speaker 4>one check on Abbot's power is when he runs into

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<v Speaker 4>any sorts of disagreements with Dan Patrick and the Senate especially,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking of the property tax rift. I guess we

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<v Speaker 4>could call it at the end of the regular session

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty three, where you know, I know that

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<v Speaker 4>the governor and his staff were somewhat involved during the

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<v Speaker 4>regular session, but they really you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the clashing was between the House and the Senate, and

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<v Speaker 4>then Abbot sort of comes in, you know, pretty I

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<v Speaker 4>guess hot like at the start of the first special

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<v Speaker 4>session saying here's exactly how we need to do these

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<v Speaker 4>property tax cuts, and he was on the same page

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<v Speaker 4>as the House, and Dan Patrick said, no, that's actually

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<v Speaker 4>not how we're gonna do it. We're gonna raise the

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<v Speaker 4>homestead exemption, and Abbots sort of ended up backing off

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<v Speaker 4>just I mean, what ended up passing was more or

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<v Speaker 4>less what Dan Patrick wanted. So that is one area

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<v Speaker 4>where I think, you know, part of Abbot's power I

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<v Speaker 4>think also comes from just it is a very powerful

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<v Speaker 4>alliance when when Abbott and Patrick are on the same page,

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<v Speaker 4>and just so happens that they on the vast majority

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<v Speaker 4>of these these items, they are pretty aligned.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, These were not emergency items, but as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a governor Abbot took the opportunity to mention

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<v Speaker 1>a couple other things, two of which, you know, immigration

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<v Speaker 1>and his sort of taking a big swing at what

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<v Speaker 1>he called the woke agendas in schools and you know, diversity, equity,

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<v Speaker 1>inclusion measures, gender and athletics and those sort of things.

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<v Speaker 1>These are things Texas has already done a lot on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're getting a lot of airtime nationally because of

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<v Speaker 1>our new President Trump. Talk a little bit about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship between Governor Abbott President Trump and like Texas's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, taking a little bit of a victory lap

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<v Speaker 1>on some of these issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think during the the speech, Abbot mentioned how

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<v Speaker 4>he was saying that he thought like the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of modeling their approach in some ways off

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<v Speaker 4>of what Texas was doing. Not sure exactly what, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>how that's playing out so far. It's so early with

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<v Speaker 4>the Trump Administration's policies that I think even just looking

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<v Speaker 4>at you know, how Texas is approaching, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 4>to trying to be a willing and able partner to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, help with the mass deportation efforts and all that,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it seems like we don't really know how how

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<v Speaker 4>the how much the state is going to actually spend

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<v Speaker 4>on order security or watching some of the Senate Finance

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<v Speaker 4>hearings lately, it's you know, it sounds like that could

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<v Speaker 4>just be like a starting point. You know, Abbot's still

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get the Feds to agree to reimburse Texas

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<v Speaker 4>for all the billions they've spent on border security, which

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<v Speaker 4>I think even Joan Huffman, the Finance chair in the Senate,

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<v Speaker 4>was like not saying, you know, I'm not super optimistic

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<v Speaker 4>about that, but but.

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<v Speaker 2>I just happens every couple of years that they do.

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<v Speaker 4>This, right, But I do think, I mean, it's we

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<v Speaker 4>are starting to see a little bit more. It is

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<v Speaker 4>coming into folks a little bit. Just how the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Abbot signing these these explicit agreements to you know, basically

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<v Speaker 4>with the Trump administration to deputize or allow state police

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<v Speaker 4>to serve as de facto immigration officers as long as

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<v Speaker 4>they're in coordination some of some sort with the Feds.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that is in a lot of ways getting

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<v Speaker 4>Texas right back to where it was with Senate bill

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<v Speaker 4>for what they were trying to do with their their

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<v Speaker 4>big immigration bill before it got put on pause by

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<v Speaker 4>the courts. So I think, you know, we'll just continue

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<v Speaker 4>to see more details roll out as you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>Trump administration starts, continues to put in more executive orders

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<v Speaker 4>and and and all that. But it's clearly the posture

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<v Speaker 4>for Texas is like, whatever you guys need from at,

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<v Speaker 4>let's team up and do as much as we can together,

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<v Speaker 4>which is striking.

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<v Speaker 3>Really.

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<v Speaker 5>I also saw it kind of as a like as

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<v Speaker 5>a massive flex you know, for yeah, because he did say,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Trump Trump, the Trump administration is looking at

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<v Speaker 5>us as the model they're doing what we were doing,

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<v Speaker 5>and so and it is interesting that it's not an

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<v Speaker 5>emergency item because it was an emergency item last session.

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<v Speaker 5>There were two items related to the border last time around,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's been an emergency item like twice before, like

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<v Speaker 5>immigration related or border related things. You'll remember sanctuary cities

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty seventeen. But yeah, I mean, I think I

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<v Speaker 5>just think like it's a massive flex to say we

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<v Speaker 5>don't really need to We feel like we have a

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<v Speaker 5>comfortable partner in the federal government to all the points

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<v Speaker 5>that Jasper was saying. But again, I think just because

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<v Speaker 5>it's not an emergency item for the government governor. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>mean he doesn't care about it. I mean it's one

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<v Speaker 5>of the things that he cares most about. It's been

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<v Speaker 5>a defining item of his tenure as governor. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think that lawmakers are still going to be filing bills.

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<v Speaker 5>So like, let's make no mistake, immigration is going to

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<v Speaker 5>continue to be a huge issue in the Texas legislature.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, to your point, it's like habit and state

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<v Speaker 4>leaders can can get done what they want to do

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<v Speaker 4>on immigration. They can ink these agreements with with the

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<v Speaker 4>Trump administration without having to pass any new legislation. And

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<v Speaker 4>in the meantime, you know, kind of to the point

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<v Speaker 4>I was making earlier, I could see why Abbot wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be super eager to have you know, these prolonged and

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<v Speaker 4>really emotional for debates over you know, contentious immigration legislation

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<v Speaker 4>while he's simultaneously trying to get this potentially legacy defining

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<v Speaker 4>school choice es a bill through. So I think, well,

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<v Speaker 4>and we have seen some some proposed legislation already as

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<v Speaker 4>far as just expanding the state's role in immigration. I

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<v Speaker 4>think the dan Patrick Priority bill was you know, requiring

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<v Speaker 4>local govern mint cities to cooperate with you know, federal

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<v Speaker 4>mass deportation efforts, so that that's still coming later in

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<v Speaker 4>the session, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The governor announced support for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, well, right, and certainly, I mean I was just

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<v Speaker 1>looking at some polling before this that you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>have the support of the voters on this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the immigration is the number one issue. The Texas Politics

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<v Speaker 1>Project found twenty two percent of Texas voters think that

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<v Speaker 1>should be the legislature's top priority, which is not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a majority, but it is the issue that they are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that have the most support for, followed by

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<v Speaker 1>the economy and then in third place, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>which same.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think relatable.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's anything we can you know, consistent through line

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<v Speaker 4>on all the state wide polling, especially from the Texas

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<v Speaker 4>Politics Project folks over there, I know they've pulled this

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<v Speaker 4>question for a number of years. It's like it just

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<v Speaker 4>feels like there's no it's like an endless appetite. There's

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<v Speaker 4>no amount that is too much that the legislature can spin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But to your point, you know, if the if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to focus your energy on education savings account

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<v Speaker 1>of vouchers, maybe right now you can say, well, the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government's got, you know, the big swings and let

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<v Speaker 1>them catch up to where where Texas already is. Yeah yeah, well, Jasper,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining us on this week's

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<v Speaker 1>episode of The Trip Cast. James, you as well. We

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<v Speaker 1>hope the good people of North Texas forgive you for

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<v Speaker 1>your allegiance.

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<v Speaker 3>Shameful, shameful, shameful.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to thank you to our sponsors, Raise Your

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<v Speaker 1>Hand Texas and One World Strategy Group. Our producers are

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Avila and Chris Spobada. Our theme music is composed

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