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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos. I am Dan fa Valley,

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coming at you as always with my startup podcast, had

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to his co host mister Grant Hughes. It is time

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the long awaited podcast. But absolutely no one aside from Grant,

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asked for twenty twenty five all Star picks. The second

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round of voting is going to release on Thursday, which

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is when you should be listening or watching this. So

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look at us being topical advertently, as Grant just put

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it before we popped on mister Hughes before we get

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into our approach to this, how the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well despite as you mentioned, I suffered through

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a lot of like doubt and questions putting these all

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star lists together because I'm sure I forgot somebody or

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miscategorized or was biased in one way or another. So,

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you know, I guess I'm feeling good, but I have

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some concerns. Are Are you in the same boat at

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the moment.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm filled with this immeasurable, ineffable rage directed

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at you because you're the one that suggested this topic,

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and I'm I am right, I'm actually shaking. I'm like,

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look look at look at us steady my hand. I

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just I don't know why I agonize over these picks

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for so long, because I I exist to try and

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make us like the least controversial NBA podcast in the world,

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and I just don't want people to get mad. But

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then it's so hard to narrow this down, especially when

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you factor in the positional criteria. And that's the two

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things that I kind of stuck towards. And it will

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start with the positional stuff. I really was tempted to

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just be like, Oh, this guy's kind of big and

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he defends wings on defense, I'm gonna categorize him as

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a front core player. I didn't do that, like if

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they're not eligible and I don't know, like Kay Cunningham

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as an example, I treat him as a guard. If

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it comes out that when media actually does their votes,

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they're allowed to put him in the forward category, I

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will be annoyed because that would have made my East

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team a lot easier to figure out. But I really

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did try to adhere to okay, like these are what

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these players are classified as, Like this is what the

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data says, this is what they play, and I'm choosing

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selected off that, even though as you know I am

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not a fan of positions over even the generalized ones

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of this where it's backcourt slash front court, makes it

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a lot easier than guard forward, center, for sure. I

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want to make that clear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I definitely agonize less over the positions.

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We'll see how stupid that might have been, but it's

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it's just I kind of went with like, if I

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can justify this guy as a guard in some way,

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I'm good with it. Like, I know that's not going

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to sync up with maybe it will.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I made any crazy leaps, but if it's.

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Speaker 1: Going to start me in the back court for the

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West victor woman Yama right the threes shoots, tell me

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that's not a guard.

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Speaker 2: Uh So, aside from positions, All Star is weird. It's

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not like All NBA or MVP, which I think we

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sort of have a better idea of like what our

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qualifications are because they all start thing by definition like

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has a fan vote, so it's a bit of a

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popularity contest. I didn't approach it that way. I kind

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of looked at it as like who deserves it, quote unquote,

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and that's gonna include I guess some considerations on like

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volume of play in addition to the quality of it.

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I had a pretty low bar for like how much

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you needed to have played, like Pala Bancaro not gonna

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make it, not enough, Zion not whoa. But there's some

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guys with twenty something games, you know, and we're thirty

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plus in where I just let it slide, and I

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wonder if if if if you went that way, or

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if like without spoiling it. I guess, but what are

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your criteria and does volume matter to some extent?

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Speaker 1: I think volume definitely matters when you're looking at differential

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I looked at it as so one of my criteria

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was you have to be I have to believe that

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you're you could be healthy or available when the All

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Star Game is played. And so that's why Franz Wagner

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is not going to be on my list because look

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at how long Palo Bankaro was out with a weakue injury.

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He's returning this week, but Franz Bacner is not going

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to be ready by February, and so he would have

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made my list if I thought he was gonna play,

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so like I consider I gave Luka Dancich more consideration

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for the West because he's supposed to be back by

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the time All Star Game rolls around. So I didn't

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pay attention to Okay, Luca, he's not gonna be eligible

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to win MVP, like in two or three days, that's

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when his eligibility is gonna go where maybe four days whatever,

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All Star Game, I gave him consideration. However, I did

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approach and I'm with you on the team success that

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mattered to me, But like if I was gonna I

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focus more on individual brilliance, on who I just think

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like these players have been great and it's not I

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didn't go try to go with, oh, who are the

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fans going to vote for? These are just I'm picking

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All Star. This would be my team's. But what I

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did with the wild card this year that I'm not

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sure I did in years past. If I was like, oh,

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this team is really good, but I don't like I

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didn't have an All Star for them yet, that would

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be the spot where I'd put them, or if I

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was worried about availability where it's Okay, this guy's gonna

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has missed a bunch of time, is going to continue

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to miss a bunch of time. Like that was kind

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of for the wildcard spot, unless I think they've been

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so just incredible or the field that just allowed it.

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But that's how I try to use the wildcard spot

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this time a lot of and a lot of times

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it's well positionally like this just makes it easier. Like

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there's so many guards in the East that deserve consideration.

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It wasn't like, oh, I have one front court wildcard

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and one backcourt wildcard, but I think the big consideration

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I gave in those wildcard spots was that's where I

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might have waited. All right, maybe I think there's been

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a player who's been better, but this player's driving winning

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more and we don't have an All Star yet from

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their team, or maybe we do and I want to

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include multiples. And then that was also the that's kind

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of the fuck available availability spot for me too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. It sounds like we'll have some

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some differences, which is always interesting. So excited to see

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where we land on this.

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Speaker 1: We begin with our East starters, which are up on

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the screen for anyone who's watching on YouTube. I'll start,

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I'll take, I'll leave the East because East Coast bias.

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In the back court, I have Donovan Mitchell and Jalen Brunson.

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This ended up being like pretty tough for me because

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I really did give consideration to Darius Garland be there

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as well, even Key Cunningham as a starter in the

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back court. In my front court, I have Jason Tatum,

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Yiannis and Karl Anthony Towns. Those were pretty easy for me.

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I really did do a deep dive into Evan Mobley

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versus Karl Anthony Towns for that kind of starting final

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front court spot. I think I just value the self

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creation and the efficiency and just the level of defensive

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attention that Karl Anthony Towns is gonna face as a

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featured option. Of course, the scoring volume is there too.

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I don't does anything the Donovan Mitchell, Jaylen Brunton, Darius

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Garland of it all was tough for me, But Jalen

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Brunson drives everything for New York still. Even I've seen

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a lot of metrics with like Towns better, I've seen

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a lot of people include Kat over Brunton and their

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MVP leader board. Maybe start I don't know, if you

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want to give us your starters, then we could talk

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about maybe backcourt front court like versus. But who do

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Speaker 2: So I did go with Garland. We're the same, except

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I went Garland over Mitchell and that was really hard.

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Brunson was a lock to me. And maybe this is

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a before we get into the Garland Mitchell of it,

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Like Brunson's job is just like they's not a stat

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for this. You could find plenty of stats that would

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serve as proxies for this argument, but his job is

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just so much harder than cats, Like his time on

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the ball is insane and like just what he's required

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to do as a like defense in terms of like

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breaking down a defense like second to Shae and drives

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per game this year he has a higher assistrate on

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drives and Shae turns it over less offense, So Shae

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is the gold standard and drives but like Brunson's and

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Brunson finishes his drives very differently. But the getting into

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the paint is just like that's the threshold thing for

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a good offense, which the Knicks definitely have, and he's

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just the guy that makes that happen. Kat like we

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could talk. I have some insane Cats stats we could

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talk about in a second. But like the Garland Mitchell

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decision to me came down to Garland has been more

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efficient sixty three true shooting, which is just like for

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a guard is absurd twenty six usage. He and Jokic

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n Sga are the only guys with sixty three true

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shooting and over two hundred assists on the year. So

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it's like he just he ticks the boxes of just

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an elite offensive engine. Mitchell's awesome like that, I think

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if I have to start a playoff roster tomorrow, I

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probably want Mitchell, you know, over Garland. I think he's better,

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But like Mitchell just hasn't quite had the statistical impact

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it to him for that.

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Speaker 1: That It's it's actually glad that we both like picked

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the other one because I looked at it as Garland

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does feel like he drives more of the offense as

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a playmaker, but I think they both can do that.

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them as the primary score or playmaker. The biggest differentiator

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for me was so Garland's shoulders what I think don

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Mitchell is probably been more effective on defense this year.

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Darius Garland's role is harder when you're kind of looking

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at the players he goes up against. But Donovan Mitchell

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is still the guy on Cleveland who draws the toughest

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defensive assignments when he's on offense, Like that's the guy

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that defenses are going to zero in on. And so

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it's by necessity. I do think Darius Garland is just

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inherently the better live dribble playmaker. But like his job

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I think becomes I think Donovan Mitchell just the existence

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of him simplifies life for everyone else around them on offense,

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even when he's not on the ball. Again, it was

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so close, I thought, by the way, I know you

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said Brunton was a lock, I might be reading too

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much into his recent shooting slump because he's still at

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like what thirty nine percent from three on six attempts

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per game, with twenty five points in seven and a

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half assists, but I thought not just going Garland to Mitchell.

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I mean, they're both headlining what's probably gonna be a

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seventy win team like the which is kind of bonkers

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by the way. So I gave that like real consideration too.

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It wasn't like, oh, I could only include one calve.

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brunching when you're looking at just when you factor in

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the playmak. I know Kat's had a good playmaking season,

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but the level of self creation Jalen Brunson needs to

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shoulder compared to Karl Anthony Towns. So yeah, it was

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basically so we're framing it as it's Jalen Brunton plus

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a calve in the back court. I think is the

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Speaker 2: Cat though, So this is a good time as any

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to bring it up. Like so among twenty five point

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scorers this season, he has he averages two point one

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minutes of touch time per game, which is by far

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the lowest. So he's just like he's I don't mean

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to in any way like diminish what he's done. He's

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been one of the I don't know half dozen best

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offensive players in basketball.

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Speaker 1: This year.

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Speaker 2: But Brunson, in that same group of twenty five point scorers,

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has the most touch time per game eight, So he

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has eight point seven minutes on the ball in a game,

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which is four x CAT and like significantly ahead of

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anybody else. And I think that to me. Also, Cat

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averages fewer than one dribble per touch, which is unique

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in that twenty five point scorer group. Nobody else does that.

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solidifying Brunson's case. I think where it's just like his

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responsibilities are like way just beyond almost anybody else's, and

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that offense is super good. But I do like the

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synergy of either Garland or Mitchell and it's like fine

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either way, Like I can't argue that, you know, Mitchell

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doesn't belong there either, it's.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that is there any one I mean

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that would kind of lead us into reserves like Tatum

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and Yannis are just the east front court is not

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particularly deep with quality options. I would say so Yannis

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just the numbers are insane for him again this year,

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the mid range efficiency has held and his defense has

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gotten better. There was like it was like if he

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to start the year and it's just gotten better. Probably

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not what it was two or three years ago, but

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it's gotten better. He was easy for me and Tatum. Yeah, okay,

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best player on the Celtics, and they've kind of like

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slumped off his playmaking a little bit. But this dude

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is just I don't for some reason do we still

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just not appreciate his ability to create and make shots

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from the perimeter or specifically as a three point shooter.

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He's in the third percentile grant of three point shot quality,

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and yet he's still just downing around thirty seven percent

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of his triples per game, the third percentiles three point

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shot quality, and.

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Speaker 2: He's shooting eighty percent at the rim, which is like

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the new dimension like his as he's developed and gotten stronger.

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He's just like a nightmare downhill. That's that's like unheard

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of for a like a non dunk only like non

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Daniel Gafford player to be, you know, to be that

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efficient at close range. Giannis, the stat I found that

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like Joannis and Tatum are just like they're on they're starting.

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We don't really need to, but he went on the

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floor ups the bucks transition frequency by almost five percent,

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which is like a ninety ninth percentile figure, which, like, man,

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you need that, like if they I don't know where

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they are offensively, if they're not getting the transition boost

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that he he provides, so kind of like looking for

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a reason, Like not that we need reasons, but just

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like there's there's so many like beyond points, rebounds assists

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good defense to to like credit those two guys for you.

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Speaker 1: Did You'd already talked about Towns, but did you consider

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like was he just was your front court the easy

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three or did you consider anybody aside from town I.

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Speaker 2: Think Mobiley was probably the So I do have Franz

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as a reserve, and had he stayed healthier that would

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have made the front core picks and sustained what he

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was doing, that would have made the front core picks

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quite a bit harder. Even then, like Cat's been so good,

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I don't like I'm not bumping Giannis, I'm not bumping Tatum.

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So maybe maybe it was gonna be this no matter what.

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But Franz like twenty five games, but he has the

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same if you're looking at EPM, he has the same

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estimated wins still, which is the cumulative stat As Mitchell,

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he has more than Steph, more than Caid, more than Luca,

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more than Fox, more than Ant like Franz's year, even

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though he hasn't played for I don't know what three

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weeks now, two weeks, whatever. It is, Like if you

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just stopped it now, you'd say, yeah, he's been one

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of like the fifteen best players in the league still,

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just like cumulatively, because he was so good when he

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was there.

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Speaker 1: I think if he was healthy and still doing what

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he was doing, I probably would have had him in

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over towns. He was top five on my MVP leader board.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, we had him all NBA easy.

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Speaker 1: I just I struggle with him because it's okay, if

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the season and like this is different, then we're just

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we're not doing quarter half season all Star picks, like

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this is just our all Star picks for what's going

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to happen. He's not going to be healthy when they

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get like in health miss X amount of time by then.

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So I didn't even I have him as an honorable mention,

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but I just didn't. I couldn't bring myself to pick

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him knowing that he's not going to be eligible to

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play in the All Star Game, and then I would

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just like a game an injury replacement.

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Speaker 2: My thought was like, let's give him the spot and

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then that guarantees somebody else also gets in as an

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injury replacement. So I'm just I just want everyone to

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be an all star Dan.

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Speaker 1: I worked out to be the same thing. Then is that?

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But you were able to say, oh, I have Frons

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here and then I'm going to place him with a.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much Okay, So I said I have a Mitchell

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as a reserve guard. Who's your other reserve guard? Have

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you said that yet?

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Speaker 1: Uh? So I have my reserves in the east for

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the let's start, let's tackle backward. I have Cad and

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Darius Garland. I mean, we went through the Darius Garland

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of it all. I don't think that people. I'm sure

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Detroit I'm wanna make clear. I think Detroit Pistons fans

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absolutely understand how good Keg Cunningham has been this year.

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He's been. I think I see too much of people say, well,

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he's like he's below fifty five or fifty six true shooting. Yeah, no, shit,

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Like he has one of the lowest shot qualities in

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the league. And I guess you could blame that on him.

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Could he create better separation. But he's on pace to

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join Luka, Trey, and Jokic as the only players ever

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to average twenty four points nine assists and shoot at

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least thirty seven percent from three. And then when you

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look at the two hundred and fifty ish players who've

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logged at least logged at least five hundred minutes this year,

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only four players have a lower shot quality. So for

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him just shooting thirty seven percent from three on that,

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I think is a really big deal. I also don't

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know if we really he's also, by the way, he's

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seventh in unassisted rim field goal attempts for seventy five possession.

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Giannis is first because of course, and like you just

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look at what he does even as a like just

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a creator he is basically he's in the top five

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of true usage. This is all players playing at least

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five hundred minutes. He's the box creation, which is an

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estimate of the open shots he carves out for teammates

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by drawing. In defensive attention, He's in the top five

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of that as well too. This is someone who keeps

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popping up when you look at all these individual offensive metrics,

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and it comes with he's a better rebounder. I think

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he's been better on defense this year. I wanted to

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because there are so many guard options in the East,

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I wanted to figure out a way to put him

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in the front court. But I looked at it, there's

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probably enough defensive data to stretch it, just because he

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does guard some threes and fours. But it's it's the Luca,

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it's the Lebron. It's like this. He is their floor general,

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he is their point guard. And so this was tough

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when you're looking at the other names that are on there, LaMelo, Trey, Tyres,

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Maxi Dame. I think Garland was in for me, So

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it was, okay, who's gonna fill that second reserve spot

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before we get to wild cards? I landed on Kate.

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He's been amazing this year. And hey, by the way,

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I'm gonna say this flat out, I have kind of

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a rule that if you're gonna be on my MVP

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leader board, your team needs to have won the minutes

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that you've been on the court. Caid's getting there, like

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the Pistons are close to wanning the full minutes with

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him on the floor. This season. I had him as

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an honorable mention my last MVP leader board, like you

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could make the case just based on his importance to

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this team that he is a back of the ballot envy.

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That is how good Ky Cunningham has been this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he so I did have to stretch it and

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call him a forward and he does make my team

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as a reserve forward because there's too many guards in

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the East, Like all my guard all my snubs in

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the East are are guards. I gravitated towards the twenty

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four and nine thing with Kate as well. He and

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Yokich the only guy's doing that this year. I didn't

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even I didn't even thin slice it for the three

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point percentage. I should have done that, And like the

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true shooting is not good. But the Pistons just cannot

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score when he isn't in the game. It's it's and

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I'm gonna use this against another player at some point here,

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so I will admit to the sort of like unfairness.

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But there the Pistons are at one twelve point seven

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in offensive rating. With Kid on the floor, it's like

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one oh five. Without him, one twelve seven is not awesome.

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It's like good enough, I think, and and he like

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he is the reason that it is good. Like if

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they you take him away, there's just who else is

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like making anything happen for that team. So uh, I

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think he's a deserving ford. My other guard, I feel

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like this will surprise you is Derek White. Uh he

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just makes the like he he he gets the advanced

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metrics case, he gets the team's success case, he gets

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the individual production. So he's tenth and estimated wins on

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dunksan threes, which is the like okay, well, like that's

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that's persuasive. His three point volume is like the big

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difference this year. He's up to over thirteen attempts per

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hundred possessions and he's hitting them at thirty nine percent,

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so like and that's a massive jump for him. And

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I think like the defensive component of it, like he's

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always for me on the short list of the best

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defensive guards in the league. He and Wemby are the

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only players in the league averaging at least a block

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and three made threes this year. So like anytime you're

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in like only this guy and someone else with Wemby,

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I feel like you're you've done something pretty special, especially

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if you're like six or four or with whatever Derek

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White is. So he made my other reserve guard spot

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and I feel good about it. But I very much

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doubt he's gonna make an All Star Game because there

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are at least two other Celtics beyond Tatum that like,

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people are just gonna vote for before him, but I

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needed to get him on here.

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Speaker 1: There's wait two others besides Tatum that they're going to

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vote for Derek WHI I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, Jalen Brown is just the more popular player, and

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I thought about him, but the numbers just weren't there.

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Feel like people if you ask, like fans that might

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vote for All Star Game, like who's better Drew Holiday

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or Derek White, I imagine a lot of people would

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still say Drew Holliday. They'd probably be wrong, but like

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Holiday is the guy with the track record, in the

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name recognition and all that stuff. Just talking about like

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who actually has a chance to make it, not like

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who we would consider the better player.

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Speaker 1: So I did go it's just funny. So Derek White

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I have qualified as a wing, so he's in my

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front court.

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Speaker 2: It so we swapped kid and Derek White basically.

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Speaker 1: Right, So I mean basically the same deal there and

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then I also have Pascal Siakam has been brilliant this year.

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Probably some slippage defensively, but he's been one of the

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pacers better defenders overall, and just everything about his offense,

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his ability to play when they are going at a

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faster clip, but also they like when they need someone

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to methodically break things down. He's been excellent. There. I

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have him, and then I also have Jalen Brown. I

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know the three point efficiency isn't there. He is when

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you individually on defense, Drew Holliday is the only player

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on the Celtics who covers tough assignments than Jalen Brown. Uh.

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He just gets to the basket like at an incredible

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quit this year. He's able to create for himself a

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little bit better. So I felt comfortable throwing him there.

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So I do have three Celtics like now, because Derek

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White is my other reserve there. I didn't even if

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anyone's picking Drew Holliday before Derek White, I would question

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a lot of things about their views.

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Speaker 2: Well, with the mellow Ball leads among East Guards in

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the first set of fan votes, so it is possible.

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Speaker 1: First of all, don't get me on a LaMelo ball

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right just now, But who did you have as your

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front court the front court reserves were? It was so

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I had Sakham and then it was not that I

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didn't want to include Jalen Brown, but I thought it

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was gonna be harder for me. I was like, Oh,

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I'm gonna so it's gonna be Jaalen Brown and who

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and it was Jalen Brown just ended up being no, No,

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he's in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have Jalen Brown. So I already mentioned

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I have Franz talked about him. I have Kaid as

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a front court player, so we're not really different there.

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We just put them in a different spot. And Mobley

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is the other front court reserve for me, Like, we

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haven't really talked to a bunch of about Mobley, but

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elite rim protection, one of the most switchable guys among

476
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front court players in the league, plus six point one

477
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,519
net rating swing is the best on the Cavs among

478
00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:12,519
their top four guys. I just I don't know what

479
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:14,319
you how much do we even need to say about him?

480
00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,799
He's like a defense He's not gonna win Defensive Player

481
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:18,440
of the Year because Wemby is a thing, but like

482
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,559
he's probably two or three, and he's been a very

483
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,240
good offensive player on the best one of the best

484
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offenses in the league.

485
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Speaker 1: So I don't know. Well, you point it on an

486
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,160
error on my part because I had him in contention

487
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,480
for a starter and then apparently left Evan Mobley out

488
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,079
in entirely. So Derek White is getting the boot.

489
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Speaker 2: I hate to see it, but I understand.

490
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Speaker 1: It so because Evan Mobley just needs to be in

491
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,799
there for me. He's been spectacular on defense. He leads

492
00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:44,720
the league in points saved at the rim per seventy

493
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,440
five possessions addition to everything else we've talked about what

494
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,720
he does. By the way, he's like shooting the lights

495
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,599
out from three on four temps per game over the

496
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,680
past month plus, better at finishing through contact. They're not

497
00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:57,920
using him as this high volume initiator, but I think

498
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,720
that his passes are of higher quality. On my part,

499
00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:04,039
apologies to to Derek White, but I think Mobly for

500
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,960
me needs to be needs to be in there. So

501
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,119
I ended up with two Celi Dicks. The Jalen Brown

502
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,119
versus Derek White discussion, though, is is interesting. What would

503
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,559
you view Is it just the offensive efficiency for Derek White?

504
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,400
I just look at Jalen Brown as a self creator

505
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,119
and then the rim pressure and then combined with what

506
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,799
he does on defense, I still have him as a

507
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:25,119
more impactful player than Derek White right now.

508
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: He was one of the really difficult cuts for me.

509
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,119
And when we get to wild cards, I could very

510
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,599
easily be talked into either Siakam or Jalen Brown bumping

511
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,079
the two guys that I have there. But it was

512
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,599
like the efficiency, it was just I think I think

513
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,599
Derek White, like he is a role player ultimately, right,

514
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,079
like Jalen Brown is the guy that can do You're

515
00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:50,440
talking about self creation, but I think White is like

516
00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:54,839
is absolutely perfect at like what he's asked to do,

517
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and Brown's probably asked to do a little bit more.

518
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,279
I just thought the volume of three is the you know,

519
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,440
I'll just regred just hitting what I said, and like

520
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,480
the bottom line numbers just say White impacts winning more

521
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:09,359
than Brown does. But it's like our defense is scheming

522
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,759
more against you know, Jaylen Brown or Derek White. That's

523
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:13,200
like that's a very fair argument to me.

524
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna can I give you the list of

525
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:19,759
names that I considered for if anyone's watching, they see

526
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:21,960
our wildcard picks up on the screen. But can I

527
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,200
give you the list of names that I considered for

528
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:27,839
a wildcard spot? Yes, so Derek White, I guess technically,

529
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,519
but LaMelo Ball, Trey Young, Tyres Maxi, Damian Lillard, bam

530
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:33,960
Adebayo I have, Franz Wagner is an audible mention, and

531
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:37,400
Jalen Johnson. Who am I leaving that I leave anybody

532
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,839
out there? I thought I was wondering if McHale Bridges

533
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,359
or Ogiannanobi deserved I mentioned there. I think that's a

534
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,599
little bit too deep of a cut. Josh Hart, maybe

535
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,599
still too deep of a Let me just name Nick's

536
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000
Tyler Kohlik Pecol dadier.

537
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,079
Speaker 2: I. So I think the ones I have that you

538
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,079
didn't mention you mentioned Dame right. I think you said

539
00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:02,440
the name zach Lavine was one that I thought about,

540
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,880
Tyler Hero Sam Vein. Just like ridiculous scoring efficiency, you're

541
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,839
just not getting anything else from either of those guys.

542
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,400
You know, you're getting the like what four or five assists?

543
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,279
I guess, but wasn't real Levine has been if you

544
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:19,400
start like filtering for like scoring efficiency at volume, Levine

545
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,519
is again just like this guy fills it up, like really,

546
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:24,559
but I could. I can't make him an All Star.

547
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,319
Same with Hero.

548
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,559
Speaker 1: I did consider Hero and one of your like the

549
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,799
efficiency in the scoring, but just and this is good

550
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,200
on him for doing this, but like I can't bring

551
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
myself to pick him over players who are more central

552
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,720
to creating more of the offense for everybody else than

553
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,680
even theirselves. I just he's.

554
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the he's the best, I guess, best

555
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,079
offensive player on a team whose offense like isn't very good,

556
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:50,200
So like, what what do we do with that? You know?

557
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,599
Speaker 1: Do you know who I also have written down? I

558
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,200
didn't say his name though, and he was never gonna

559
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,799
make it. But when you start getting into the bare

560
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,279
bones front, like Vouch has been pretty good this year.

561
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,519
Speaker 2: Look, look I'm not, like I said, Levine, So I

562
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,000
can't knock you for saying Booch like that guy's making

563
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,440
forty plus percent on like decent volume from three. Yeah,

564
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,680
I didn't have him, but I definitely I you know,

565
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:14,839
as an also considered, I can't fault you there, so

566
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,559
we so my wild card. I wonder if we have

567
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,680
the same wild cards, because I thought we.

568
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: Don't because you're I can already tell you're a hater.

569
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,319
And it's funny if you're watching on YouTube. And I

570
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,839
decided not to reveal the picks to each other, but

571
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,400
I have to go through it in post and I'll

572
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,519
put the graphics up on the screen so you're knowing it.

573
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,359
But me and Grant are he act thinking real time.

574
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,599
Speaker 2: We don't know each other's paces. Okay, so I assume

575
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,160
we both have Trey Young.

576
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,079
Speaker 1: We do. The passing has been the shot offficiency's clearly down,

577
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,559
but and Jalen Johnson has been great for the Hawks,

578
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:45,960
but Trey Young is still just the engine for everything

579
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,359
they do. And he's playmaking this year for I don't

580
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,599
even carry his averaging twelve plus. He's just off the

581
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,640
charts when you're looking at his creation ability.

582
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,519
Speaker 2: And I think, like I have all the same stuff.

583
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,000
He's a plus ten point two offensive rating swing, which

584
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:00,400
is elite among guys that play a thousand minutes or more.

585
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,640
This year the fewest field goal attempts per game since

586
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,680
he was a rookie. So like a little bit of

587
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,160
credit for kind of being like a less is more

588
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:10,200
even though the efficiency still is not there, Just like

589
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:12,279
being more of a passer and that's where the twelve

590
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,200
assists come from. And the Hawks score at one hundred

591
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,119
and fourteen points per hundred when he's on, and that's

592
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,319
just that's a top ten rate, and he's the reason

593
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,519
it's good. And that just I thought I was gonna

594
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,480
have to like stretch for a Trey Young case. But

595
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,920
of my two wild cards, I feel world's better about

596
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,759
him than the other guy. So your second one must

597
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:31,359
be Lamello.

598
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:33,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have him?

599
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: He's a no. He isn't also considered for me. My

600
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,680
other one is Haliburton, which I feel like I had

601
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,000
the bigger question between him and Siakam and I landed

602
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:49,119
on him a couple stats. EPM still loves him, even

603
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,160
though I've like said several times that he's just not

604
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,000
good anymore. He's in the ninety seventh percentile and offensive

605
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:59,200
estimated plus minus. I'm gonna knock off his October games

606
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,559
and so. And it's November one, nineteen nine and four

607
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,720
forty five from the field, thirty eight from three eighty

608
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,319
seven from the line. He was over sixty percent true

609
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:10,839
shooting last month. He's at nearly seventy percent this month.

610
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,319
Like gradually we're getting back to like good Haliburton and

611
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,839
with the advanced metrics, still loving him as much as

612
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,759
they do despite him having like a real rough start

613
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,680
considering his role on the team. Like, I just it

614
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,680
really like the comparison between him and Mellow is fascinating.

615
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,720
LaMelo is fascinating because like LaMelo's numbers are all just better.

616
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,480
But I just am never going to be persuaded. Maybe

617
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,640
you can do it that like he actually is a

618
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,200
more deserving All Star than someone like Haliburton.

619
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,119
Speaker 1: I mean, when you frame it that way, I don't

620
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:45,359
want to sound Look.

621
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: No, no, there's a case I thought about him, like,

622
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,119
I just you're the LaMelo believer. Well, I mean, relatively speaking.

623
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,039
Speaker 1: Look at what and who is around him? Who is

624
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,599
the second best player on the Hornet's Brandon Miller, who

625
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,279
was the third best player on the Hornet You don't

626
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:01,799
even know his name because I'm not even sure there's

627
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,559
a third best player on the Hornets right now. So

628
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:09,119
Eddie Jones, he's in the ninety eight percent time people say, oh,

629
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,599
he's just he's chasing shots. The shots he takes are

630
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,119
stupid and okay, sure they're going in in a reasonable

631
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680
enough clip to where you say, just keep shooting them.

632
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,559
He's in the ninety eight percent file of self created

633
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,880
shot making. So I'm not talking about volume, I'm talking

634
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,039
about the actual shot making. The Hornets have a higher

635
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:28,720
offensive rating with him on the court than the Sixers

636
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:30,720
have with Tyre s Maxi on the court. Who is

637
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:34,160
another name I considered, And okay, it's like the Pacers

638
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,000
have a higher offensive rating when Halliburton's on the court.

639
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,759
But look at who Haliburton gets to play with, Siakam

640
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,799
and Myles term even Bennetic Matt Like I don't like

641
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,519
Damian Lillard, LaMelo has basically the same offensive The Hornets

642
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,279
of the same offensive rating on the court with LaMelo

643
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:50,319
as the Bucks have with Damian Lillard. And look at

644
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:53,319
the guys that they have around them. He is literally

645
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:55,640
I shouldn't say literally because that's apparently a sign of

646
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,079
low IQ, so I'm gonna say literally, But he is

647
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,440
dragging this team fig offensive.

648
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: He's concreatively doing it.

649
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: He's he's the reason that like it might not always

650
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,240
look pretty, but like and also the stuff he does

651
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,400
where it's the game that they won against the Suns,

652
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,559
who are just a fucking shit show at the moment.

653
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,799
By the way he scored off his own miss three

654
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,559
or four times like this, Like he just keeps going

655
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:21,920
at you, and there's he doesn't I like, and there

656
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,039
are a lot of players like this, but like he

657
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,759
just doesn't remember the last shot. He will pay three

658
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:28,960
shots on the same quote unquote possession if the Hornets

659
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,119
are gonna get an offensive rebound, even if they don't

660
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:32,839
go in. And so I know there's I know he's

661
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,599
not good on defense. He should be better when you

662
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,599
look at the physical tools and what we actually know

663
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:39,319
he's capable of. But this is someone who is just

664
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,119
averaging over twenty nine points per game. He drives the

665
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,319
entire offense as a playmaker as well. And the fact

666
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,680
that like he takes these Yeah, these shots are ridiculous,

667
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,039
And it'd be cool if he was shooting thirty seven

668
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:53,279
percent from three instead of thirty four percent from three. Uh.

669
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,160
But if you're gonna average thirty points per game and

670
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000
have perhaps one of the three or four most difficult

671
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,400
shot diets in the league, and you're still going to

672
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,079
average seven assists per game, which would actually be higher

673
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,400
when you look at the number of times teammates either

674
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,119
don't catch your passes or miss off your passes. I

675
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,400
think he's become underrated. You don't like if you want

676
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,559
to say he doesn't drive winning, why does Tyrese MAXI

677
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240
drive winning as an independent star? What is the evidence

678
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,079
we have that Tyrese max is going to do that

679
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,880
if he doesn't have another tier, like one player alongside him.

680
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,319
And I'm now I'm denigrating Tyrese Maxey, but I'm just saying,

681
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,119
like you don't just get It's kind of like the

682
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,119
conversation about why did we anoint the Thunder instead of

683
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,759
the Caves. We have doubts about the Caves, but the

684
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,480
Thunder are gonna win the title, even tho they're both

685
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:39,160
on pace to win seventy games. I see a lot

686
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,640
of that with Lamel. And look, he's bad on defense,

687
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,839
like the self creation, the passing ability. I'm going to

688
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,960
take him over a lot of other guards in the

689
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,759
Eastern Conference.

690
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,319
Speaker 2: I gotta say, like, I think all of the arguments

691
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,720
that I would lean on against LaMelo just like don't

692
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,960
it's hard to support him with numbers or it's and

693
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,880
just because it's like no, I'm just being honest, like

694
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,839
I do. I guess I'm more bothered by like the

695
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,799
unserious is the word that constantly gets applied to him,

696
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,519
and that does bug me a little bit, Like I

697
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:12,960
think some of that is unfair because like his game

698
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,160
is just like not casual, but it's like it's just loose,

699
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:18,720
like he he is very comfortable and that's almost that's

700
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,839
a feature and not a bug. Sometimes I think and like, yeah,

701
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,680
what's he supposed to do with the talent that's around him?

702
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:26,079
Speaker 1: Great?

703
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: Great question, Like I don't know if you put Haliburton

704
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,799
or Tray Young on that team, Treyng's probably a little different,

705
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,079
but like what that offense would look like. I just

706
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:39,200
I don't have great, like statistically supported arguments against LaMelo

707
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,920
because you do at least I mean, defensively, it's like atrocious.

708
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,799
But if you just like, how much do we care

709
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:45,759
about that we're talking about I'm talking about Haliburton and

710
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:48,039
Trey Young ahead of him, so like it's obviously not

711
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,680
that important. I do think it's just like the feel

712
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,880
I get and I don't know like that this is

713
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,839
maybe not the best basis to make an All Star pick.

714
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,319
Fortunately these don't count. Nobody cares, uh is He's just

715
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,400
like I guess I just don't believe that what he's doing,

716
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,519
it's just what you're saying is like driving winning, which

717
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,319
is kind of unfair. I'll concede that.

718
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Who's driving winning on this Hornets team?

719
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: Nobody? That's the problem.

720
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Who are you taking in the league that will drive

721
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,839
winning for the current version of the Charlotte Hornets with

722
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,319
all the injuries they've had to suffer.

723
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, who would be doing a better job than LaMelo?

724
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I think I actually think the fairest aside from defense,

725
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,119
would like he is. He can be stiff and inattentive

726
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,640
on defense. I don't have an I don't have an argument, and.

727
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,599
Speaker 2: Like for him, now this is not a good quality.

728
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,039
But it's like he's got to be thinking like what's

729
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,440
the point, Like there's no there's no defense anywhere here?

730
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,720
Like why am I gonna? Well that's a bad tone setter,

731
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:37,480
But he's not wrong.

732
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,119
Speaker 1: I actually think the most poignant form of criticism for him,

733
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,039
and it's more subjective, would be you if you truly

734
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,200
don't believe that he is wired or able to play,

735
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,400
let's use offense as an example, or just play differently

736
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,920
overall on a better team, and it's give him a

737
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,200
better which you just you haven't because even though the

738
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,640
Hornets have real NBA players, they have not all been

739
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,000
availed bullet once in how many years? And by the way,

740
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:03,880
LaMelo is a part of that. I just think he's

741
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480
putting I mean, thirty points and seven plus assists forgett Like,

742
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,320
I can't ignore that when you're just looking at like

743
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,400
these shots are thirty four percent from three. It doesn't

744
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,960
sell when we're talking about it, but when they're all

745
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,960
basically self created and there's just no one else to

746
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,960
do any of this, like Brandon Miller comes closest, or

747
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,519
do you want to see like message try and like

748
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,679
bank in threes from the corner or something. I don't

749
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,840
he By the way, the other thing I didn't note

750
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,559
with him, he is the percentile for true usage, like

751
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,599
which factors in playmaking and all that he's in the

752
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,920
one hundred percent tile of true usage because the Hornets

753
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,119
do not have anyone else. Yeah, and so the fact

754
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:41,159
that he's doing this and isn't less efficient, I do

755
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,280
that as an absolute win. And I thought Tyre's Halburton

756
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,880
was just too inconsistent for me because I think if

757
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,440
you were saying, who are you taking for the next

758
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:50,880
X amount? Of years. It's a discussion, but most people

759
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,760
would take Tyre's Haliburton. This season specifically, it came down

760
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,320
to like kind of the Maxi and the Lillard. For me,

761
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,239
the Hornets have a better net rating with the Melo

762
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,920
on the court than the Sixers do with Maxi, and

763
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,719
the Bucks still have not won their overall minutes with

764
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,960
Damian Lillard on the court, so he's close to what

765
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:11,360
the Hornets were with LaMelo. Tyres Haliburn is an interesting pick.

766
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,880
I don't hate it, but I didn't. I'm not gonna lie.

767
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,400
He didn't come down to like one of the final

768
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:14,840
two or three.

769
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: For me, I don't love it. I will say I

770
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,360
were you surprised about how easily you could dismiss Maxie

771
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,360
and Lillard? Because I looked, you know, just started looking

772
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,840
once I got down to the last couple of wild cards,

773
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,840
I was like, Oh, no, that's that can't it's not

774
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,760
going to be those guys.

775
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,679
Speaker 1: I think Tyre's Maxie probably wouldn't even be a blip

776
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,079
if it wasn't for just like he's been on a

777
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:34,880
tear for a little while now, but he kind of opened.

778
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,559
He had the injury, of course, and he also opened

779
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,599
the season, wasn't like shooting too well from the floor,

780
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,719
and I still just have questions about again, the sixers

781
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,920
have not been nearly healthy enough. But just like, is

782
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480
this someone we know LaMelo, we know Tyre's Haliburton can

783
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,079
drive offense independent of having another elite option on the court.

784
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,079
The returns for Tyrese Maxie are still sort of iffy there.

785
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,199
Speaker 2: I think Maxy's really interesting. He's almost got like the

786
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,159
Levine criticism of like he'll make the one pass, but

787
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,239
like it just he's not like a born facilitator like

788
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,599
basically the other three guys that we're talking about, and

789
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,920
what like I don't know what that like scales to,

790
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,079
you know, like he's super fast and he gets downhill

791
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:10,559
and he shoots a lot of threes and he makes

792
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:13,639
him like is he like I don't, I don't. He's

793
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,159
not like a capital P point guard, I don't feel

794
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:17,880
like And that just kind of puts a ceiling on

795
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,039
like how much offensive value you can really have if

796
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,559
you're not the guy that's like constantly making the difficult

797
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,880
passes to set other other players up. So and like

798
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,880
he just was way over stretched to start the year

799
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,159
and that destroyed his his efficiency numbers.

800
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: Did you have any deeper cut name just listed before

801
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,880
we gets to the front court that you or no,

802
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,679
we already did that, but like that you just considered.

803
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,800
I had the name was written down. I never thought

804
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,320
I was gonna pick him. I had cast the burden

805
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:41,719
in there.

806
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: Well. I actually had a quick second where I was like,

807
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,079
should I consider Peyton Pritchard because like if you just

808
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,760
he's played like enough minutes to where it's like more

809
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,679
than guys like Steph or like comparable to some other guys,

810
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:55,960
and just all the advanced metrics love him because if

811
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,679
you make a trillion threes? Uh, you said Jalen Johnson.

812
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,880
I gave him a quick look. I'm just trying to think,

813
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,480
like who else not yet? So my my official like

814
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:10,599
toughest snubs Levine Brown, Siakham, Hero, Dame LaMelo Bam. Weird

815
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,119
year for Bam that like not even really a thought

816
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:13,639
for him.

817
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: I still think he's a quintessential eye test player, especially

818
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,519
on the defensive end, but like the offense has been

819
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:23,639
weird this year would probably be the most charitable way

820
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:26,280
to put it from him, So that was probably a

821
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,039
tough cut. Derek White ends up being I thought I

822
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,840
had him in there, but Mobley's absolutely an.

823
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: All star from over White.

824
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,639
Speaker 1: Although you put Derek White and over the mellow, I

825
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:36,239
guess I could do something like that, but I still

826
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,880
just I value the self creation that LaMelo has. We'll

827
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,440
recap at the end when we get to it. But

828
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,280
we were onto our Western Conference starters, and because it's

829
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,960
West Coast bias time grant we got all.

830
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,119
Speaker 2: Right, So let's go with the guards to start SGA

831
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,480
like non negotiable time you want to spend on SGA

832
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,639
plus fifteen point one net rating swing when on the floor,

833
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,840
lea leader in drives just like the most singularly unguarded

834
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,039
lately too. Yeah, he's just he just he's it my

835
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,480
second guard. I was surprised I landed here. Maybe listeners

836
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,880
and you won't be. But I did end up with

837
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,320
Steph Curry as the other starting guard in the West,

838
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,840
and I came into this thinking it wouldn't be him.

839
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,599
Speaker 1: Could I just say, I think you are the only

840
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:23,800
person who were surprised that you picked Steph Curry, one

841
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,800
who knows our brand would actually, I think be more

842
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,280
surprised if you didn't pick.

843
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,079
Speaker 2: Well, I think these last handful of games and just

844
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,679
the the developing narrative of the season for this team

845
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,440
is like the real problem here, And this is what

846
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,960
I was sort of buying into, is that Steph and

847
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:43,880
Draymond just aren't what they were and and like you

848
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,960
look at the counting stats, and part of that's the minutes,

849
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,320
but like they're just down and just everything looks harder

850
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,519
for Curry as you're watching games, like separation's harder to get.

851
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,639
His finishing is not as good. Just the turnovers seemed

852
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,159
to be more egregious. Like he has games where he's

853
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,440
just like, you know, he had a scoreless game, like

854
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,760
he just the bad games have been bad. And then

855
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,639
there he is with like a one to seventeen to

856
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,239
nine offensive raiding for the Warriors, which are just a

857
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,119
dog shit offense if he's not on the floor, and

858
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,000
they look, you know, among the best in the league

859
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,519
when he's out there, sixty two true shooting, thirty one

860
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,480
percent assist rate, which are both up from last season.

861
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,920
So I was like stunned that there were stats that

862
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,800
are up for him. So I just you talk about

863
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,320
the gravity all that stuff. I didn't think he was

864
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,880
going to be a starter for me and then it

865
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:28,800
just became like, oh, no, he just has.

866
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: To be I think if Luca didn't miss so much time,

867
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:35,280
that might have been the way to go. But yeah,

868
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,760
I don't know. Do you have in the front court Jokic?

869
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: Do we want to talk about him at all? Like

870
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,599
there's just nothing to say there.

871
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,159
Speaker 1: He's fucking the Celtics.

872
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't want to see him, didn't want to give

873
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,199
him forty seventeen and eleven like he probably would have

874
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,199
in a loss. Uh, Jokich won. Jokich is the first one,

875
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,920
obvious one. I also have Wemby. Uh, Wemby's gonna start

876
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,519
best defensive player in the league. Shooting a million threes,

877
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,599
holding the opponents to fifty percent inside six feet. That's elite.

878
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,480
Opponents don't shoot very much when he's on around the basket.

879
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,599
Temp frequency at the rims down like four percent. That's

880
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,199
excellent among bigs with a thousand minutes. The last one's

881
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,639
Anthony Davis. Another one that I was like, am I

882
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,440
really gonna and then just I don't think maybe you

883
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,480
can point to somebody that like definitely deserves it over Davis.

884
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:28,320
That was more where I landed, was like, yeah, he's

885
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,519
not an MVP candidate anymore, not a defensive Player of

886
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,400
the Year candidate. But the numbers just like are what

887
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,960
they are. He's an awesome player on both ends. That's

888
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:38,039
hugely productive.

889
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,519
Speaker 1: I think if Kevin Durant had played more, you could

890
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,159
have gotten to him. Jared Jackson Junior might be worth

891
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:44,679
a look, but I actually ended up with the same

892
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,599
exact starters as you. I mean the So just to

893
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,679
tack on to Steph, by the way, you mentioned the

894
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,480
offensive ratings swing, the Warriors have what would be a

895
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,440
top seven net rating when Steph is on the court. Like,

896
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:59,639
really think about how bad the Warriors are right lately.

897
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,679
Speaker 2: And way worse than that over the last like six weeks.

898
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: He also ranks in the ninety nine percentile of three

899
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,480
point shot making despite being in the fourth percentile grant

900
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:11,719
of three point shot quality. Yeah, and he's in the

901
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,199
ninety six percent tile of self created shot making and

902
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,320
the one hundred percent tile of passing quality. This is

903
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,920
that comes back to the word that you use of

904
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,920
just gravity where it's okay, Steph isn't necessarily the best

905
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:26,320
one of the best passers in the league, but defenses

906
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,519
are around him, Like, what did you say before a

907
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,280
minimum of two and a half defenders are on him

908
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:30,840
at all times.

909
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: There's two and a half guys on him every possession.

910
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,199
And if he gets the ball off like he does,

911
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,760
throw a lot of real bad pass like lazy passes,

912
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,880
careless passes. But if he gets it off, whoever ends

913
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960
up with it is open, like that's just what happens.

914
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: And dunksan threes is epm. Like they still have him

915
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,440
as a top ten player in the league based only

916
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,880
that's not the end all be all, but that's I

917
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,000
don't I think some people say, oh, look at the

918
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,159
Warriors of Steph playing like no Steph can be an

919
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:57,639
All Star starter, and it's it's actually fine. The Shay

920
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,920
for me was just easy. I actually think, you know,

921
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,679
my latest MVP leader board, I still have Jokic, but

922
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,880
I really do think that Shay is and I I

923
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,119
guess I have to do a Maya cope on that.

924
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:10,280
I really thought Jokic was gonna run away with this.

925
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,960
And the Nuggets have actually gotten better optically when you

926
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,159
look at their spot in the West in proximity to

927
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,320
maybe being the third the third seed or the second

928
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,679
seed or whatever. But like Shae is just the Thunder

929
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,639
can't score without him, and he's he's not. They win

930
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,079
with generational defense, but he's an active participant in that

931
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,079
generational defense. So I think he's made that a case.

932
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,679
He was easy for me. Davis was interesting. His scorings

933
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,719
kind of dropped down a bit, but I still think

934
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,880
he's really good on defense, even though the Lakers aren't

935
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,599
all the time. They did clean up some issues and

936
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,960
then a lot of them came back against the shorthanded

937
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,840
Mavericks the other night, but they're using him as an

938
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,920
offensive hub still. So like the scoring is down, but

939
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,599
like when you look at him versus a mobiley for

940
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,920
an example, like Mobley isn't necessarily a shot creator in

941
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,840
that way, and Davis has kind of become that this year.

942
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,920
And then Wemby. Wenby is just what you meant best

943
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,519
defensive player in the league, and all the last month

944
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,199
he's just averaging over twenty eight points per game, shooting

945
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,880
almost forty percent from three on ubsurd volume shooting. By

946
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,400
the way, he still fifty four percent or whatever inside

947
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,519
the arc during that time. This is the best defensive

948
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,920
player in the NBA always has a case to be

949
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,159
an All Star. And so when even though you're looking

950
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:19,199
at this as a full season thing. Webby's been didn't

951
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,119
start off the year great, like he's been on a

952
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,960
tear for now half of the first half of the season,

953
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,199
and so you're the best defensive player in the league

954
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,880
who's now just unguardable on the offensive end, where you're

955
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,159
looking at your ability to get up and make threes.

956
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,679
I don't, I what's the argument against him being a starter?

957
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: I don't have one. I want to ask you just

958
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
while we're on him, because we haven't really talked about this.

959
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:43,320
I don't think, like, what do you do you have

960
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,320
thoughts on I don't know if it's like a like

961
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,159
rampant criticism, but you do see it a fair amount

962
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,079
of like why is he shooting so many threes? And

963
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,239
not just in this why is anyone shooting so many threes?

964
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,280
Like not part of that discussion this year, but just like,

965
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,920
how do you feel when he's like shooting from d

966
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,400
with like the volume that he's shooting with, which is

967
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,719
like it is like surprise, it's unusual. But do you

968
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,800
have an issue with it? Is there something you wish

969
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,480
that he was doing instead of that? Or like is

970
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,679
that the way forward? Offensively for him. Just what are

971
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,960
your thoughts generally on his on his three point shooting.

972
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: I really wish that he was just getting more catch

973
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,960
and shoot looks inside the restricted area. Yeah, like let's

974
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,440
bring back poor spacing. No, I'm being faceted.

975
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,519
Speaker 2: No, No, that's a real thing though, Like I wonder, like

976
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,840
can't why don't you just dump it in it or

977
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,719
like have him duck in or cut through like I

978
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,199
don't know.

979
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: So I do think. I think it's both situational and

980
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,840
by design. So by design is if you want to

981
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,559
I don't want to see Wemby being dumped the ball down. Well,

982
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,239
if you want to get him moving downhill, and that's

983
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,880
how you want them to finish it the rim more often,

984
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:45,679
I get it, But that will take a wear and

985
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,480
tear on his body. And he's just not built. He's seven,

986
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,000
he's eight feet tall, grand and he weighs like a

987
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,079
buck thirty like whatever he weighs. The other thing, too,

988
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:56,880
is I don't know that the spurs are built for

989
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,480
him to do that part of him like he can

990
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,119
get off threes, but like he he is mission critical

991
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,760
to their spacing at the moment. If he had different

992
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,599
personnel where the primary front court partner besides like Jeremy

993
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,480
Sowen has been good this year, but he's not the

994
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,199
ideal front court partner for Wemby. And even when you're

995
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,719
looking okay, Chris Paul's brought some structure to the offense,

996
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,679
but between him, Trey Jones, and Stefan Cassel, it's not

997
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,880
like you have just a ton of these great tacticians

998
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,239
in their prime that are going to put Wemby in

999
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,239
the right spots with the ball. And even if you

1000
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,840
viewed Chris Paul as that, which he still is, none

1001
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,559
of the names I just listed are really opening up

1002
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,880
the floor, including Chris Paul, who has up this three

1003
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,239
point value this year. So I almost view it as

1004
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,320
what would the Spurs offense look like if Wemby wasn't

1005
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,760
taking him making Yeah, I think it would be a disaster.

1006
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great point. I think I agree,

1007
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,280
Like I was kind of playing Devil's advocate with like, well,

1008
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,599
why not get it closer to the basket as you were.

1009
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,119
I think there's a good argument to be made that

1010
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,840
the maximal value offensively he can provide like going forward,

1011
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,559
and certainly this year is as like a player whose

1012
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,280
main offensive thing is a ton of three point shooting

1013
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,400
just cause like one nowear and tear, we that's gonna

1014
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,280
be a thing you have to worry about. There's like

1015
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,920
different wear in tear right, like you know, you get

1016
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:18,000
tired run around screen or whatever. But like, isn't isn't

1017
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,599
a guy that's the best defensive player in the world

1018
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,559
who can also force you to put a big guy

1019
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:26,039
on him because if you put a guard on him,

1020
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:27,960
like he's not even gonna see him when he's shooting

1021
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,920
from deep right, So like like those are all open

1022
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,639
shots if some if the guy that's on him is

1023
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:35,960
six five basically, so you have to put a big

1024
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,840
on him, and then that big is not in the lane.

1025
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,519
And so like you have just created the most like

1026
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:45,760
scalable slash suit. Like the value he could provide if

1027
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,800
he's like a thirty eight percent three point shooter that

1028
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:54,800
gets up ten twelve per hundred, Like that's that's like unsolvable.

1029
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,159
I feel like, you know, for for other teams.

1030
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,199
Speaker 1: Couldn't isn't the other part of it too, It's like

1031
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,639
let's use Kevin as an example. Who is it? I

1032
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,679
guess if he wanted to play the way Wenby was,

1033
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,400
he could, but he's what five six in is shorter

1034
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,840
to or I guess what he's listed. He's probably a

1035
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,039
foot shorter according whatever he's listed at. But like his

1036
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:15,639
handle is never going to be as tight or as

1037
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:18,159
just mechanically sound as someone who's shorter, because the ball

1038
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,119
has to travel a greater distance. He still can work

1039
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,199
on the interior because he's relative to Wemby, or relative

1040
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,519
to NBA players, he's closer to a normal sized human

1041
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:31,000
being Wemby, his handle's not going to be as exposed

1042
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:33,119
that far out from the perimeter. And it also puts

1043
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:34,960
you in a situation where maybe you don't want him

1044
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,239
handling the ball as much because that he's never that's

1045
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,840
never going to be Turnovers might always be an issue.

1046
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,719
I don't know that he's because Kevin Duran has never

1047
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,320
had the best handle in the NBA. He's had a

1048
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,760
great handle for just the size that he is in

1049
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,960
the distance the ball has to travel. But this also

1050
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,199
puts Wemby in a situation to where you technically theoretically

1051
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,800
don't have to dribble as much, or it's more of

1052
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,719
a casual dribble because in theory at least not right now,

1053
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,840
you're not facing as much pressure as if you were

1054
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,840
going to get downhill or even if you were working

1055
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,440
from the post.

1056
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think too, like he doesn't just shoot

1057
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,800
like toes on the line, he's like a good's not

1058
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,519
a full step for him, because that would be like

1059
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,239
beyond half court, but like a normal person's full step

1060
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,480
behind the line. And just like forget who who they

1061
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000
were playing. Maybe it was in the Denver game, like

1062
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,639
it's it's it's the thing. I always think when Donovan

1063
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,679
Mitchell shoots, is like guy that comes out easy, like

1064
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,000
what an easy ball he shoots. It's just so it's effortless,

1065
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,280
like good bass, like really you expect it to go

1066
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,039
in even like slightly off balance. It feels like he's

1067
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:35,760
got like a good like again good bass like that.

1068
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,119
I just think I think there's a great chance Wimby's

1069
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:40,199
like a forty percent guy like at some point at

1070
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,679
some point and it's just making you know, four or

1071
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,880
five six a game something stupid like that.

1072
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,119
Speaker 1: Do you think there's also something too, And we've seen

1073
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,719
him defend in a bunch of different ways, but him

1074
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,639
also just taking so many threes, like against certain teams

1075
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,280
that's going to take their most valuable defensive player out

1076
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,119
of their comfort zone, like not ever going to be

1077
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,880
able to game to put specific players on like where

1078
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,000
they can leave someone around the rim, and so then

1079
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,679
that opens up stuff for everybody else. I guess some

1080
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,559
people don't like watching it, but this is just I

1081
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,599
find value in what are just basically anomalies, and that

1082
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,000
like Wenby is an anomaly in so many ways, and

1083
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:16,960
so again we might be in our silo and there. Look,

1084
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,480
I think if the Spurs look different if they made

1085
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:21,920
a trade for Diaron Fox, or if there was just

1086
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,760
like someone did the front court was built differently around him,

1087
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,880
if you wanted him to get more kind of catch

1088
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,760
and roll or catching go looks. I totally understand that.

1089
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,400
I just don't even know if the Spurs are built

1090
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,360
for him to do that optimally right now? Reserves in

1091
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,519
the west, all right.

1092
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: So I did give Luca one of the guard spots.

1093
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,280
He's you know, twenty eight eight and eight stupid high usage,

1094
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,559
just like all the usual Lucas stuff. It's just a

1095
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:50,199
volume question. I get it if if, like you know,

1096
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,159
he hasn't played quite enough. I think it was close

1097
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,639
enough for me the other guard that I went with.

1098
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,400
This is where it was getting really difficult for me.

1099
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:03,360
I did go with Wards. I think, like we've talked

1100
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,599
a little bit about how it's so impressive that he

1101
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,039
is clearly not like in his optimized role and is

1102
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:12,119
still just like excelling as a super you know, thirteen

1103
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:14,559
and a half threes up per one hundred possessions, making

1104
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,880
almost forty three percent of them. It's not quite where

1105
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,079
he was last year defensively, at least during the playoffs,

1106
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:21,880
but it's still just someone that, like, you're not going

1107
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,800
at him ever. I think that offense is basically designed

1108
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,119
like antithetically to his success, and he's still been a

1109
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:32,239
really good offensive player. So I don't know, I'd be

1110
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,440
curious what your thoughts are on Edwards, but there was

1111
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,719
a met there where it was like, is he gonna

1112
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,400
make it at all?

1113
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: That's I'm surprised you think I didn't have any qualms

1114
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,559
about it. He's in my back court.

1115
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,519
Speaker 2: Okay, we're as a reserve. Sorry, and do you have

1116
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:45,239
Luca as well?

1117
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,199
Speaker 1: I do, I bandied about because so I still have

1118
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:51,360
an unsettled spot as we're recording this right now, because

1119
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,039
I put Luca as a wild card at first, just

1120
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,119
because of the injury, but he's just been good enough

1121
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:58,599
to reserve. What what's the difference? Like, it's just you

1122
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,280
could whoever I like, would open up allow me to

1123
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,400
put a front court player in the wild card spot,

1124
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,960
so I both him and Edwards in the back court

1125
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,320
as well. And just I mean, the mass been the

1126
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,039
thing about Luca to this season, the one the mass

1127
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:11,519
are killing it when he's on the court. They're plus

1128
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:14,280
eleven point four per hundred possessions. But while his scoring

1129
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,079
his counting stats are kind of down. He's spending more

1130
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:20,559
time away from the ball, and I like, is there

1131
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,960
or should this not be part of the All Star conversation.

1132
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,039
We've now seen him play on faster versions of the

1133
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,639
Mavericks this season and last, and now it's, oh, he's

1134
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,159
off the ball a lot more, isn't there kind of

1135
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,800
valuing this player is more malleable than we thought because

1136
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,559
part of the biggest forms of criticism for a James Hardener,

1137
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:40,400
a Trey Young and even Luca has been their functional rigidity.

1138
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,199
And Luca's just more flexible than he was a couple

1139
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,760
of years ago. And I think that's really cool.

1140
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it felt like a want to as

1141
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,000
opposed to like a can't you know, like he yeah,

1142
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,519
of course he could be good off the ball, and

1143
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,000
like I sort of held it against them that he

1144
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,800
wanted to be so heliocentric. So just coming at it

1145
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,920
from a different angle, it's like a huge positive that

1146
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,639
he's has been willing to and has predictably like been

1147
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:06,360
good at sort of like scaling down his like extreme

1148
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,840
on ball usage. I think that is a positive.

1149
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,199
Speaker 1: Who's in your Yeah, so we have the same backcourt.

1150
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,559
Was there anyone else that you were Oh, well, I

1151
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,559
guess that could be in the wild cards, So who

1152
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:16,719
was it?

1153
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, front court, there's a lot of guards that I

1154
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,039
really agonized over and we may have to talk about.

1155
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,639
So I did have Jalen Williams as a reserve forward.

1156
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,440
We talked about off air, just like what do you

1157
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,320
call this guy? Positionally, I feel like our a front

1158
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,599
court player. His true shooting is under fifty six percent,

1159
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:36,719
Like the efficiency has not been there, but he's still

1160
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,519
twenty five and five. The best defensive season of anybody

1161
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:43,360
maybe other than like Wemby and Davis in the West

1162
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,239
that we've talked about so far. We spend a lot

1163
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,960
of the season guarding centers, is a huge part of

1164
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,320
a historically good defense, just just enough production. And he's

1165
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,480
still like even though if you really dig in, like

1166
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,000
the thunder are way worse when he's on, Like the

1167
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,800
net rating plummets when he's on, a lot of that's

1168
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,079
because he's overtasked as like the main creator with no

1169
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,840
SGA and lineups that don't shoot it. Well, none of

1170
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,199
that was gonna keep him off my team, Like, first

1171
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:11,920
of all, we're getting too thunder and Chet's not gonna

1172
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,559
make it. So it's got it's got to be him.

1173
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,400
But he's been good enough on both ends. I think

1174
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,280
even if the efficiency's not where it's been.

1175
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know how much you because he's

1176
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,440
been so good on defense and probably offset the like

1177
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:28,480
let's use someone who can't be a good self creator.

1178
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,039
But if they're going to bridge the gap with the

1179
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,960
defense and just being an awesome compliment, I think that's

1180
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,559
fine to put him on there. So he also made

1181
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:35,360
my reserve.

1182
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: Lisk Okay, the other two reserve front courts for me,

1183
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,119
I did. I just felt like felt clean, felt like

1184
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:43,239
a nice way to go. Are just Lebron and Durant.

1185
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,960
I almost like didn't look up the numbers just because

1186
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:49,840
I know that Lebron's are what they are, like they're

1187
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,000
you know, even if he's got like one of the

1188
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,320
biggest negative narrating swings in the league. I mean, he's

1189
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,159
not defending, like, but he's what I want to get

1190
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:02,199
it right, twenty four eight and nine thirty eight percent

1191
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,880
from three, making half his shots from the field. You

1192
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,559
can definitely watch him and say, like, he's actually not

1193
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,119
as good as the numbers suggest. I'm not gonna keep

1194
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:13,480
him off of there. He's played thirty plus games. He's

1195
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,079
healthy enough. Durant is the guy if you're concerned about

1196
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:18,000
volume you could bump. But I was not gonna keep

1197
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:20,920
Kevin Durant off of my All Star team either, because

1198
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,559
if he had played thirty games, like you said, Anthony

1199
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,800
Davis might not be starting, it might it might be him.

1200
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: I have Kevin Durant as well, and I thought about

1201
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,280
putting him as a starter over Anthony Davis. So he

1202
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,400
was gonna make mark. He's just been at both ends

1203
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,679
of the floor for the most part, spectacular, and the

1204
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,000
Sons have lost the minutes that he He's played is

1205
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,480
not a Lebron situation, but it's just when you watch

1206
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:44,639
the Suns, the problem ninety percent of the time is

1207
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,639
not Kevin Durant even close to it. I have Jaron

1208
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,559
Jackson Junior instead of Lebron. I think the extra self

1209
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,719
creation that he has shoulders coupled with what he's been

1210
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,679
able to do defensively for them. He's just far more

1211
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,480
dynamic overall over these past. He was more dynamic last year.

1212
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,480
Now he's even more dynamic than that, and he's on

1213
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,480
I also took the stance, not that I took the stance,

1214
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,599
but you have to put look what the Memphis Grizzlies

1215
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,000
have done this year. How would you not even have

1216
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,519
someone in the wild card spot for them? And jaw

1217
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,360
might have a case if he had played a little

1218
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,159
bit more back. I think Jared Jackson Junior has been

1219
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,239
clearly their most valuable player this year.

1220
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:19,639
Speaker 2: I totally agree Jackson did make one of my wild

1221
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,480
card spots to bump ahead, and like the wild cards

1222
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,760
and the reserves, to me, I'm not like ones better

1223
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,239
or worse than the other. Like I just I had

1224
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,239
I wanted Lebron and Durant next to each other on

1225
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,280
my on my Google docs, So that's what happened. But yeah,

1226
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,360
Jared Jackson, it was like, as I got into it

1227
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,960
and I was running out of spots, it was like, well,

1228
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,159
he there's no way I can leave him off, like

1229
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:43,119
just he so so Wemby and I forget who else

1230
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,920
it is, or right at about fifty percent opponent field

1231
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,440
goal percentage inside six feet and those got you know,

1232
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:51,159
Wemby's up at like eight or ten or something field

1233
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:53,920
goals defended. Jackson's only at about five, but he's at

1234
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,079
forty nine point seven percent. So even though he's not

1235
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,280
like always in the rim protecting role, Jackson is still

1236
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,199
just like one of the absolute best at it, and

1237
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,039
he's super versatile and the the like eleven plus drives

1238
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,760
per game. Giannis is the only big who's more efficient

1239
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,360
on drives that that takes to the basket that often.

1240
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,760
Like Jackson's just like I don't know, we talk about

1241
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,840
like most overlooked or most underrated. He's like he's a

1242
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,239
no brainer all star for me.

1243
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, just I mean he's having twenty three points three

1244
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,480
point one stocks per game, and yeah, the threes he's

1245
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,960
still below thirty five percent. But you mentioned the drives.

1246
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,440
He's getting a foul line basically more than ever, hitting

1247
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:34,400
fifty six point one percent of his twos in addition

1248
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,559
to just everything he does on defense. Was the easier

1249
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:39,599
inclusion for me. So you already did. He's he made

1250
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,559
one of your wildcards? Who were all the names before

1251
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:43,159
you get to your left? Like that you considered for

1252
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:44,239
a wild cards? All right?

1253
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,199
Speaker 2: So and and this is my spot where we like

1254
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,639
have to have a conversation because I don't I don't know.

1255
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: That's great because I have my final wild card spot.

1256
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,800
Okay too, I.

1257
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,519
Speaker 2: Don't know what to do with this, so I'll give you.

1258
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,079
I'll give you the names that there's two names that

1259
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:01,960
I have like this guy or this guy in the

1260
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,880
wildcard spot. Players I also thought about, in no particular order,

1261
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:11,480
James Harden, Alprin Shongoon, Kyrie Irving. That was it might

1262
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,320
just need to be Kyrie. We'll see if it's the

1263
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,320
Zubats I think needs to be mentioned. Devin Booker was

1264
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,880
like a quick look, but then the name recognition did

1265
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,719
not hold up to the scoring efficiency this year. So

1266
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,760
the last two and the ones I'm stuck on if

1267
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,880
Kyrie can't jump in, there are dearon Fox or Demonta Sabonis.

1268
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:35,559
And I texted King's friend fan of mine, King's fan

1269
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:38,119
friend of mine, and just asked, like, who's been better

1270
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:41,119
this year? And this is a friend that is well

1271
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:45,239
aware of of me having called Sabonis the most overrated

1272
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:47,880
player in the league like two years ago now, so

1273
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,480
understands my opinion there. And he said, like he thinks

1274
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,800
it's Fox, but Sabonis has been really good since Malik

1275
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,880
Monk got into the starting lineup because he's the only

1276
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,400
guy that can like hit a role man on the team.

1277
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,320
So I need we need to talk. If those are

1278
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,119
two of your guys you're considering, and maybe it's Kyrie,

1279
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,400
we gotta just like hash it out because I I

1280
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:12,280
my very first instincts was Fox. But Sabonis's numbers are

1281
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,199
to the point where it's just like, how do you

1282
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,800
exclude him? I don't know how even if you know

1283
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,440
all the eye tests and my personal biases are just like,

1284
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,079
he doesn't actually help the way the numbers say he does.

1285
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,079
I just I don't know what to do with it.

1286
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,679
Speaker 1: The So in addition I had all the names that

1287
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,079
you did, I have Lebron as a consideration, because I

1288
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:35,559
didn't put him as a reserve, and I also have

1289
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:36,639
Norman Powell was.

1290
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: On there for Yeah, that's oversight by me. I should

1291
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,119
have thought about him too.

1292
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,079
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about the kid, So I'll tell you

1293
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:44,199
one of my reserves, which are already up on the screen.

1294
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,039
I have Alberinchin gud In there. I think he's been

1295
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,679
He's just someone on the rockets needs to make it,

1296
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,239
and I think you would hope he'd be a little

1297
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:53,800
bit more efficient on offense, but like their half court

1298
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,159
offense isn't great, but he is one of the only

1299
00:58:57,239 --> 00:58:59,119
guys that you need to go get a bucket like

1300
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:00,880
you can go through him. You could run the offense

1301
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,360
through him for others. He's also been really really good

1302
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,280
on defense this year, and so I've remember in the

1303
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,159
wild card spot the Fox versus Sabonis thing was interesting

1304
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,360
and I had the same dilemma when considering if I

1305
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,079
was putting one of them, would it be one or

1306
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,000
the other? My gut says it's Fox, but you like

1307
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:20,960
Sabonis is having like a really good efficient season, and

1308
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,559
then the Kings when Fox plays without Sabonis grant a

1309
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:27,119
minus three point four points per one hundred possessions with

1310
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:31,000
an offensive rating and the fiftieth percentile flipped that and

1311
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:35,360
Sibonis without Fox, the Kings are like a plus twelve

1312
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,199
per one hundred possessions. I don't I just don't know what.

1313
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,159
I don't know what to do with that. My eye

1314
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:44,039
says that it should be their plus twelve point one

1315
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:47,559
with an offensive rating in the ninety third percentile. I

1316
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,960
don't know. I don't know what to do with that.

1317
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: So I think, like, let's get I think the makeup

1318
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,239
of the team is such that that stat isn't like

1319
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,800
it's crazy that that they don't win the minutes with

1320
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,880
Fox on and Sibonis off. But I well, maybe it's

1321
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,199
not because like there's no backup bigs on this team

1322
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:05,599
at all. So you take Sabonus off, it's just like

1323
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:09,239
we can't do anything in the paint. You take Fox off,

1324
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,519
you still have Monk DeRozan like you still there's still

1325
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,159
like creators, I guess. And maybe it's just the makeup

1326
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:18,039
of the team I think is almost built to make

1327
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:20,760
it so, yeah, you can survive without one of those

1328
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,599
back quarter or wing guys, but if you take Bonus out,

1329
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,719
the replacement behind him is just like Alex lenn and

1330
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,360
Trey Lyle, like that's you know, those guys like wouldn't

1331
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,840
play at all for like most teams, I think based

1332
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,559
on how they've done this year. So I think, so

1333
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:37,679
I want to make sure I get this right. If

1334
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,920
you just look at I keep citing it because I

1335
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,199
think it's it's my favorite catch all. But on dunksan

1336
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:45,719
threes estimated wins is the cumulative version of EPM, and

1337
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,760
Demonasa Bonis ranks fourth in the whole league in estimated

1338
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,280
wins added, right behind Jason Tatum, right ahead of Victor

1339
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,400
Wembin Yama. Like the guys ahead of him are Sga

1340
01:00:56,719 --> 01:01:01,679
Jokic and Tatum, and Sabonis is is fourth, And so

1341
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,800
it's like, at what point do I have to just say,

1342
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,000
like I'm not smart now that does I think factor

1343
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:11,239
in like replacement level stuff behind you, Like how much

1344
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,480
better do you make things than the guys that are

1345
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,000
on the floor when you aren't. And the dynamics we

1346
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:19,440
just talked about with the King's rotation is such that, like, yeah,

1347
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,559
the gap is enormous between what Sabonis does and what

1348
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:26,800
the guys who back him up are doing. That alone,

1349
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,519
though still is like such a persuasive number, like way

1350
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:33,119
ahead of what Fox does, and yet I still am

1351
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:35,239
just like now Fox is a better player, like he

1352
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,639
matters more, and I don't. I can't get past it.

1353
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,039
Speaker 1: The other thing with Sa Bonus too, is that I

1354
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:43,199
think having him as your center, it forces you to

1355
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:45,480
defend a certain way that we're even when you look

1356
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,239
at the Kings's vitals in a lot of areas, it

1357
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,000
seems like they well they are, they're outperforming their talent.

1358
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,440
But he makes life so much harder on everybody else,

1359
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,760
and specifically Keegan Murray would be the one where his

1360
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,440
life just get because he's I mean, the King's roster

1361
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:03,280
makes life impossibly hard on Kigan Murray. But I don't

1362
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,119
and I don't know how to factor that in at all.

1363
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,400
And then the other name that's like kind of standing

1364
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,519
out here because you already put Lebron on your reserves.

1365
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,920
I don't know if I'm just getting nostalgic because he's

1366
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,840
aged forty and I know the age is coming, like

1367
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,280
the end is coming. The numbers are good, the Lakers

1368
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,320
still aren't great when he's on the court, but like

1369
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,599
you watch him, he clearly just doesn't give a fuck

1370
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:23,840
on defense a lot of.

1371
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,239
Speaker 2: The time, or he like can't he's like not able

1372
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,039
to give a fuck.

1373
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:28,599
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what to do with that.

1374
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,760
And it's funny that it seems like, well, we're hung

1375
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,239
up on the I'm hung up on three players for

1376
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,719
the final spot, Lebron Domas or Diaron Fox. I like

1377
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Norman Powell has been really good, uh, and he's doing

1378
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,519
some more self creating, but he's just not as dynamic

1379
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:43,000
as a lot of these other Like I would put

1380
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:45,480
Lebron in before Norman Powell. I'd put him in even

1381
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,000
before Zoobots, but they definitely deserve honorable mentions. I don't know.

1382
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:50,840
I don't know what to do here.

1383
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: What about Kyrie isn't like I think him too is

1384
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:55,840
listen on my long list and I'm going in the

1385
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,039
numbers the thing I haven't excluded him.

1386
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: He still on my list. The MAVs are winning the

1387
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,360
minute he plays without Luca, but like kind of just barely.

1388
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:06,400
And the offense isn't as good as you would expect

1389
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:06,719
it to be.

1390
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,199
Speaker 2: But his numbers are incredible too. Yeah, he's so efficient.

1391
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,079
I almost like I feel like I gotta have a

1392
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,599
it's gotta be Fox or Sabonis for me, and I'll

1393
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:18,480
probably I just I'm gonna go Fox to stay on

1394
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:24,000
brand as basically, But Kyrie is like it's almost it's

1395
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,159
it's just as hard to snub Kyrie. It almost like

1396
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:29,159
it's a bad thing. But it's like, well, he's gonna

1397
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:31,440
miss some time with this back injury, like maybe by

1398
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,039
the time we get to the All Star Game it'll

1399
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:36,079
be like a little more justifiable. But I think I

1400
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,239
think Kyrie is just like objectively a better player probably

1401
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,320
than both Fox and Sabonis. So I don't I'm gonna

1402
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,159
go Fox just to keep it just just so we

1403
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:47,880
can get out of this. But like Kyrie and Sabonis

1404
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,280
are really really tough snubs. The rest of the guys

1405
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maybe Shangoon, but the rest of the guys, like Harden

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01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,079
didn't really think that hard about under forty percent from

1407
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:58,599
the field. Zubat's great defense, but like Zubats is not

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01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:02,360
like a star per se. So I just, yeah, I'll

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,159
go Fox, sorry to Sabonus and and and Kyrie in

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01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:07,079
some order.

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01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: Who do you think between now latching onto Kyrie? But

1412
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,480
it's just like it's his role. How do you factor in,

1413
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:17,840
like Okay, he's the but then we didn't. We didn't

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01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,880
take j dubb All. He's playing better defense than Kyrie,

1415
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,920
Like Kyrie's roles made it easier by the fact that

1416
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,719
Luka Doncic exists.

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01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:29,079
Speaker 2: To me, like that's true, Like Kyrie gets to Kyrie

1418
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,519
is a better second option than like basically anybody but

1419
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:35,239
I and the Like, if Kyrie Irving is your best

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01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:38,480
offensive player, I think there's a really good chance your offense,

1421
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:41,440
all things be equal, is good, right, Like I I

1422
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,519
just I think he's still he's not what he was,

1423
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:48,119
but but he's still just an insanely efficient jump shooter,

1424
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,400
great ball handler. Maybe that passing isn't like what you'd

1425
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,519
want from a true like offensive alpha, but I don't know.

1426
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,320
It's hard for me. It's hard for me to just

1427
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,599
like discount the how good he is, as like A said,

1428
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,239
I don't know, Yeah, you're next to Lucas so exkews everything.

1429
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,159
But but like he's just he's a number one offensive option.

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01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:10,679
I think, like at least at least in so far

1431
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,880
inasmuch as like Fox is to be, you know, to compare.

1432
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go with Kyrie Leaven Lebron off

1433
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,119
feels wrong though, literally do that, But.

1434
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to have Lebron, but I'll admit it's more.

1435
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:26,079
It was more maybe sentimental. You know, the numbers are

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01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:27,880
good enough, like counting wise.

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01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: That spot before that, I should just be allowed to say, Okay,

1438
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,800
I'm sentimental for Lebron, so we're gonna put him and here,

1439
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,159
I just he's individually he's been really really good on offense,

1440
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,280
but he's just such a net negative on the defensive

1441
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,079
end right now, I just don't know what to do.

1442
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:45,440
I think I'm gonna go with Kyrie.

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01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: I think I love that because then it's sorry to Sabonis,

1444
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,159
who doesn't make either of our teams. But that way

1445
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:54,480
I get Fox, we get Kyrie on it, and and.

1446
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,679
Speaker 1: I think it would be best. I'm gonna determinate by

1447
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,000
viewing in a vacuum. You're gonna answer the question for me. Kyrie, Sabonis,

1448
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,440
Fox or Lebron has to be your best player on

1449
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,280
a whatever team. Which best player gives you the chance

1450
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:09,760
of having.

1451
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: The best team Right now, man, he has to be

1452
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,960
your best player. So it Sabonis is out because that's

1453
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,519
like my main knock on him. He can't be my

1454
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,239
knee jerk reaction is Lebron, but there's not really a

1455
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,960
statistical case to support that.

1456
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:32,519
Speaker 1: I would say the minutes over Kyrie, right.

1457
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Lebron's been healthy relatively, I mean he had

1458
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,360
that many like that, get right, hiatus, but he will

1459
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,960
probably by the time people hear this because Kyrie's missing time.

1460
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: Now, God, this is so tough. I honestly, I don't

1461
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,199
know what the new here. Grant I'm struggling told you

1462
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:51,760
that this was gonna be tough. So Kyrie's at like

1463
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,679
one seventy minutes and Lebron's at eleven fifty. It's just

1464
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,559
that's not a big enough difference for me. I'm gonna

1465
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:00,960
go with Kyrie do it, and it's tough. You know.

1466
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,239
What's also excwing me is that the Lakers have been

1467
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,039
better that game against the Mavericks where Kyrie Mlugo didn't play, notwithstanding,

1468
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:09,800
and then like the Mavericks have been sort of like

1469
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,400
even dating back because they weren't playing well this pastime

1470
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,880
when Luca went down with the calf injury. Like Tyrus,

1471
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,199
I don't feel great about this. You could go with either,

1472
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:21,320
for I'm gonna go with Kyrie as my final spot.

1473
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 2: All right, so you want to recap here. I want

1474
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,360
to start with the east Olough first.

1475
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: This is the east. My starters are Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunton,

1476
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:33,679
Jason Tatum, Jannis Attentakupo, Karl Anthony Towns. My reserves are

1477
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:36,880
in the back court Kate Cunningham and Darius Garland. My

1478
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,559
front court reserves are Jalen Brown, Evan Mobley, Pascal Siakam.

1479
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,679
My two wild cards are LaMelo Ball and Trey Young.

1480
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: All right. My East starters beginning with the guards are

1481
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,039
Jalen Brunson and Darius Garland. My front court Jason Tatum,

1482
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:54,480
Jannis out of Takombo and Karl Anthony Towns. Reserve guards

1483
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:59,079
Donovan Mitchell, Derek White reserve front court, Evan Mobley, Franz Wagner,

1484
01:07:59,119 --> 01:07:59,760
Kid Cunningham.

1485
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: Stretched there.

1486
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: My two wild cards are Trey Young and Tyrese Halliburn.

1487
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,199
Speaker 1: In the west starting I have Shay Gildas, Alexander and

1488
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:11,039
Steph Curry. In the front court, I have Anthony Davis,

1489
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,119
Victor Women Yama and Nicola Jokich. Not a single wing

1490
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,279
in the starting hete love to see it. Actually reserves

1491
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,760
backcourt I have Anthony Edwards and Luka Doncic reserves for

1492
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,479
the front court. I have Jalen Williams, Jared Jackson Junior

1493
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,520
and Kevin Durant. My wild cards in the West are

1494
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,920
Alprin Shangun and Kyrie Irving Alper By the way, Alprin Shangoon.

1495
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,159
I haven't seen him mentioned a ton among all stars.

1496
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,720
I think he's having a really good year. It's just

1497
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,800
the Rockets have so many dudes, and I don't know

1498
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,439
that the offense is built for him to be a

1499
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,760
lot more efficient than he has been.

1500
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 2: I think that's all fair. So my starting West all

1501
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,359
stars at the guards or at the backcourt spots Shay Gilders, Alexander,

1502
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:53,119
Steph Curry, Nicole Jokich, Victor Wemben Yama and Anthony Davis

1503
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,279
in the front court. My reserve backcourt players Luka Doncic,

1504
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:00,399
Anthony Edwards reserve front court Jalen Williams, Lebron James, Kevin

1505
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,720
Durant wild card number one, Jaren Jackson Junior wildcard number two.

1506
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,319
After much debate, I still feel terrible about it. Is

1507
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:08,479
darreon Fox.

1508
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: That is that was a brutal discussion. I still I

1509
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:12,760
feel terrable about it.

1510
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,119
Speaker 2: I knew that last West spot was gonna be because

1511
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:18,039
there was like five guys and we just we just

1512
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:20,279
agonized over it. Everybody heard it that that last one

1513
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:24,479
is fortunately fortunately, like there'll probably be an injury or two,

1514
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,159
so like Kyrie will get in or Kyrie will probably

1515
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,359
get voted in or whatever. Uh, and then we'll we'll

1516
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:33,279
at least get like three or four of the five

1517
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:34,520
that we couldn't choose between.

1518
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering too because of the new setup with

1519
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,600
the All Star Game. So there's Franz Wagner. Let's say

1520
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,479
he makes it even though he wouldn't. If there's gonna be,

1521
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,640
can you just name a West guy instead of going

1522
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,439
into the East. I probably won't have deserving players.

1523
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 2: That's it. I don't know. I don't know if that's

1524
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,079
how that's gonna work. Hopefully they pull from the West

1525
01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:54,640
because the snubs there were much much more feel I

1526
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:55,079
guess yeah.

1527
01:09:55,319 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: I feel pretty bad about not having Tyrese Maxi, Damian

1528
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,359
Lillard on my bro Like, I don't feel terrible about

1529
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,159
not having them, So I feel bad about SA bonus

1530
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:10,000
Fox and Lebron not making my that's some bonus Fox

1531
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,439
and Lebron didn't make it all West like the West

1532
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,920
all that just feels icky. And I hope Lebron makes

1533
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,600
it just because I'm I'm a sucker for nostalgia. And

1534
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,159
he's the numbers. You said the numbers before that's still

1535
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:22,960
kind of absurd.

1536
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: They're enough, you know, and he's gonnall he'll make it

1537
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,079
like there's no if this might be what is he

1538
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:30,640
maybe one more year after this too, where it's like

1539
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,880
then then it'll be like, oh, he actually doesn't deserve

1540
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,840
it at all, and he still might make it. This

1541
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,439
is like the last one probably where you can at

1542
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,319
least make the case beyond sentimentality.

1543
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: There's I think it's just if you didn't watch him,

1544
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:47,399
if you only watched him, not even cursory, if he

1545
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,119
just didn't watch him on defense, I think he would

1546
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:49,960
just be also.

1547
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, the points, rebounds, assists, and like it's

1548
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,560
it looks good, you know, scoring, efficiency is good.

1549
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,319
Speaker 1: Offense looks good. People. He's a little slower than he used,

1550
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,800
he's fucking forty years old. He still scoring twenty five

1551
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:02,600
plus points a game.

1552
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: That's okay, yeah right right, and like you know, just

1553
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,079
mak it like he still is like a brilliant passer.

1554
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:11,079
He still has all like the brain is still there.

1555
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:13,359
It's just like on defense specifically, the body is like

1556
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,119
not willing. That's that's really the clearest thing so far

1557
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:16,560
this year.

1558
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,239
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else or are you ready to

1559
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,079
take us out of here? This podcast is under two hours.

1560
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:23,520
Speaker 2: It feels really really solid job by us, especially since

1561
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,359
we spent the last what twenty five minutes decide one spot.

1562
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,279
Speaker 1: I will say this is one of those podcasts I

1563
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:32,239
spent more time prepping for it, even if it doesn't

1564
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,560
sound like then we did recording it, because it's just

1565
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,520
these whenever it comes to rankings or picking all star teams,

1566
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,840
I agonize over it. It's the shit doesn't matter, and

1567
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:41,560
yet here I am.

1568
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just want to get it right, you know.

1569
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,279
And and good news we did in disputable.

1570
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: Different rosters, but they're somehow both one hundred percent.

1571
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: They're all right.

1572
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 1: I see. The move would be if I replaced the

1573
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,920
Jared Jackson junior with the bonus, because then all the

1574
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,960
people that we axed over would have made it in

1575
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,399
the WAFT.

1576
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably it. I think I think we need

1577
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,920
a third person on here to just do a completely

1578
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,119
different West group. This was great. I think who knows

1579
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:07,800
how much is this is gonna change? Like we still

1580
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,239
got you know what, close to a month before the

1581
01:12:10,279 --> 01:12:11,880
All Star Game, so we're.

1582
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,119
Speaker 1: Not doing it. This is a star.

1583
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah hopefully, Yeah, we'll see. I mean, if Tyrus Aliburn

1584
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,760
has another terrible stretch, I will deeply regret that pick. Anyway,

1585
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,399
thanks everybody for listening. If you watch this on on YouTube,

1586
01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:27,359
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01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:30,279
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01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:33,560
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1591
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,239
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1592
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:42,159
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