Speaker 1: Next on the Drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your
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Speaker 3: What a night of NBA playoff action last night?
Speaker 1: Hoping for the same tonight, two hours away from Indiana
Speaker 1: and Cleveland, and the late night game is.
Speaker 3: Golden State, Minnesota. Our next guest.
Speaker 1: You know him, you love him.
Speaker 3: He's very popular, he's very famous. His star has blown
Speaker 3: up this year.
Speaker 1: Celebrity reporter himself, Tim McMahon on a Tuesday, Timmy, Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 4: How are you, howdy, partner? I think you might be
Speaker 4: exaggerating a little. Then I'm walking through the streets of
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City right now, and I'd get to be stopped
Speaker 4: for selfie or auto request.
Speaker 1: Well, then they don't know who's walking down their streets.
Speaker 1: Because you know, ultimately, you were featured prominently on television
Speaker 1: last night. Did anybody send you a screen? Did anybody
Speaker 1: send you a screenshot of your reaction Darren Gordon's dunk?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And you know what that actually reminds me of?
Speaker 4: You remember the Donovan Mitchell put back in a playoff
Speaker 4: game in Houston, YEP, where he followed his he missed
Speaker 4: like the little I remember it as a floater or
Speaker 4: a short little jumper, but he followed him up with
Speaker 4: like a one to two and just jumped and soared
Speaker 4: through the crowd and slammed that thing home. And it
Speaker 4: was the same type of deal where you know those
Speaker 4: type of plays, you're gonna get six or seven replays,
Speaker 4: and the last replay I just happened to be in
Speaker 4: the uh in the background of it, and I had
Speaker 4: a similar face, at least on this one. I kept
Speaker 4: my hands down because on the Donovan Mitchell play had
Speaker 4: a similar face, but I covered the top of my
Speaker 4: head with my two hands. So not my first rodeo.
Speaker 4: In terms of a visual appreciation of the acrobatic arts
Speaker 4: in the NBA playoffs, I remember that.
Speaker 1: And I had three friends last night within five minutes
Speaker 1: text me the picture of you with your jaw on
Speaker 1: the floor after Aaron Gordon dunked on chet. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of fun. I thought that was
Speaker 1: kind of fun. Tim fun night last night. But before
Speaker 1: we get there, there actually is some news about our
Speaker 1: local basketball team that was surprising to say the least.
Speaker 1: Will Hardy had already had two options picked up, so
Speaker 1: he had two more years left on his contract.
Speaker 3: Well, now he.
Speaker 1: Has six excuse me seven, with an extra five as
Speaker 1: he has signed an extension through the twenty thirty one season.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on news that kind of caught some people
Speaker 1: off guard out this way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I certainly was aware that this is something that
Speaker 4: had been discussed and that was something that was a possibility.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it was as supposed to finish line
Speaker 4: as obviously it was a look, man, it is a strong, firm,
Speaker 4: concrete commitment to will Hardy that obviously, and really what
Speaker 4: this is is a message from not just Justin x
Speaker 4: Anak and Danny Age, the most importantly Ryan Smith, their
Speaker 4: belief and their confidence and their commitment to Will Hardy
Speaker 4: has not waivered one bit despite the record. And we
Speaker 4: all understand, anybody who knows basketball, knows the NBA understands
Speaker 4: the record this year is not a reflection of will
Speaker 4: Hardy's coaching ability, of his acumen, of his you know,
Speaker 4: book potential in that role, and this obviously very strongly
Speaker 4: backs it up. And look, Danny Age has made these
Speaker 4: kind of long term commitments, you know, during rebuilds before
Speaker 4: he maybe the Brad Stevens that obviously worked out. It's
Speaker 4: ordinarily well for the Boston Celtics, and this is a
Speaker 4: similar type of situation where they are very adamant that
Speaker 4: they have found their long term head coach, and I
Speaker 4: think reasonably so. I think that you know, Will honestly
Speaker 4: had been too good for the dad for what they're
Speaker 4: trying to accomplish early on, and it's I don't mean
Speaker 4: too good for the franchise, been too good for you know,
Speaker 4: they were winning too much early on in his tendure.
Speaker 4: And then that was a large part because he was
Speaker 4: you know, taking a collection of kind of misfit toys
Speaker 4: and turn it into uh, you know, a puzzle that
Speaker 4: that fit and was producted and so you know, they
Speaker 4: backed that up with the with the contract. I don't
Speaker 4: know what the numbers are, but obviously the numbers were
Speaker 4: high enough for Will to be comfortable, Will to be
Speaker 4: appreciative of the commitment they made and for him to
Speaker 4: reciprocate that.
Speaker 1: So, since you reference that you had some knowledge that
Speaker 1: these talks were going on, can you illuminate us on
Speaker 1: how would all well came to be, what the motivation was?
Speaker 1: You know, when Greg Popovich unfortunately had his stroke and
Speaker 1: a lot of people wondered what was the future in
Speaker 1: San Antonio. I heard some people bring Will's name up,
Speaker 1: but of course under contract here. Ironically enough, Tim, a
Speaker 1: few years back, you on our show talked about you know,
Speaker 1: when I said, do you think Quinn is going to
Speaker 1: stick around after this whole iteration? You said, well, Pop
Speaker 1: goes Quinn might slide in there. Of course he lands
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Can you help us understand how this process
Speaker 1: came to be and what the motivation was for both
Speaker 1: sides to get this done.
Speaker 4: Yeah again, Like I think I just mentioned the motivation,
Speaker 4: and that's Will's the heck of a coach, and you know,
Speaker 4: Will believe there's a mutual belief the front office and
Speaker 4: the ownership and Will and vice versa. You know, Will's
Speaker 4: belief that Jay Z and Danny Ames, who the support
Speaker 4: of Ryan Smith are going to be able to build
Speaker 4: a roster there in Utah that's going to give him
Speaker 4: a chance to be competitive. Look, it's not going to
Speaker 4: be right away, regardless of the results of the Watery,
Speaker 4: it's not going to be right away. It's going to
Speaker 4: be a process, but you know it is. They've they've
Speaker 4: got a group that that believes in each other and
Speaker 4: they're all on board. They're all aligned, you know, and
Speaker 4: that's important and I think gives them a real chance.
Speaker 4: As far as exactly how the process, I I can't
Speaker 4: really tell you that because I I don't have that information,
Speaker 4: uh strong enough there. You're right though about the Spurs
Speaker 4: in the in the sense of, you know, Will's name
Speaker 4: had absolutely come up with that and that's honestly, that's
Speaker 4: where the timing is a little bit interesting that this
Speaker 4: happened after the Spurs. So it's not like, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: this isn't a situation where Will had the leverage of Hey,
Speaker 4: san Antonio jobs open because they had filter, you know,
Speaker 4: they had committed to Mitch Johnson. So that part of
Speaker 4: things are is interesting. And I don't have like a
Speaker 4: solid answer for you on that, you know, I just
Speaker 4: know that I think Will Hardy has proven that he
Speaker 4: is an extremely capable of his coach and I don't
Speaker 4: blame if it has one bit. We want to get
Speaker 4: him locked up long term.
Speaker 3: What is one more thing here?
Speaker 1: Then we'll get on to teams that you know, are
Speaker 1: actually still playing basketball. But what's the reputation of Will
Speaker 1: around the league? You know, we had we had Jeff
Speaker 1: van gunny on right after they hired Will, and before
Speaker 1: Jeff took the Boston job. Unfortunately, you can't join us anymore.
Speaker 1: He's an assistant with the Clippers. But Jeff coach with
Speaker 1: Will for Team USA. So we offered some good kind
Speaker 1: of color and context. But league wide, the reputation of
Speaker 1: Will Hardy, tim what does that sound like?
Speaker 4: I mean, the reputation of Will is that one is
Speaker 4: that he's one of the great young coaches in the NBA.
Speaker 4: And you know, again, you saw the last two seasons,
Speaker 4: not this year, but the previous two years of Jazz Basketball,
Speaker 4: where they were way more competitive than looking at their
Speaker 4: roster they should have been, you know, competitive to the
Speaker 4: point that it was counterproductive. That's because Will Hardy can coach.
Speaker 4: And you know he obviously he climbed from the very
Speaker 4: bottom of the of the ladder in San Antonio to
Speaker 4: the front of the bench, you know, and he's on
Speaker 4: that you know, he's on that Pop three. He's a
Speaker 4: proud number of the pop of his coaching tree. You know,
Speaker 4: he mayodoca. Will tell you that Will Hardy was in
Speaker 4: his role as the lead assistant during the year in
Speaker 4: Boston when they were together, they went to the NBA
Speaker 4: Finals and then you know, obviously at some point, I
Speaker 4: hope is Well's gonna have the opportunity to prove how
Speaker 4: good as a coach he can be and with a
Speaker 4: roster that has a real chance to compete and and
Speaker 4: you know, be more than something or keep with their
Speaker 4: regulus approach from here five hundred team, that's not where
Speaker 4: they need to be, you know, but put together a
Speaker 4: ross war he has a chance to be playing, I
Speaker 4: mean at this time of the year, and you know,
Speaker 4: for me to make some nice spring business to Salt
Speaker 4: Lake City.
Speaker 1: Since, uh, since we were mentioning Popovich, I did want
Speaker 1: to get your take on the situation since we heard
Speaker 1: from coach pop for the first time since November of
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean this to sound and maybe this
Speaker 3: is a me problem.
Speaker 1: It just kind of made me sad, you know, watching him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: listening to him look a different way, sound a different way.
Speaker 3: And I kind of missed his snarkiness.
Speaker 1: I kind of missed his direct approach and you know,
Speaker 1: talk about a job Well done the Baxter Holmes piece
Speaker 1: for you guys at ESPN dot com today. I thought
Speaker 1: was really really good. And you're somebody that has covered
Speaker 1: him for a number of years and I'm sure been
Speaker 1: able to get to know him on a level that
Speaker 1: maybe most media members have not. As Greg Popovich walks away, Tim,
Speaker 1: what's your take on the legacy that he has left,
Speaker 1: even though he's still with the organization.
Speaker 4: Well, look, first, it was great to see Pop on
Speaker 4: his seat, you know, And I know it wasn't like
Speaker 4: he's obviously got a ways to go physically, and he's
Speaker 4: still very much recovering and that's the reason that he's
Speaker 4: not going to be coaching anymore. But it was great
Speaker 4: to see him on his seat. It was great to
Speaker 4: see you know, glenm this is the best sense of humor.
Speaker 4: I mean in the moment where they take the jacket
Speaker 4: off and it says, he'll have me come on, you know,
Speaker 4: and so like he's still popped. He's just not physically
Speaker 4: able to continue coaching. But his legacy. Look, yes he's
Speaker 4: the all time winners coach, Yes there's five championships, Yes
Speaker 4: he has this unbelievable coaching tree, But his legacy is
Speaker 4: I think evidenced by the fact that who's sitting right
Speaker 4: there by his side as he's doing this, Who's been
Speaker 4: by his side as he's been working to come back
Speaker 4: from a stroke ause he's been going through all these workouts.
Speaker 4: It's tim duntan and monogynobly. And they don't have to be.
Speaker 4: They're not there for you know, for pr purposes or
Speaker 4: because they think it looks good. They're there because the
Speaker 4: way this guy builds relationships, and you know, he has
Speaker 4: that kind of coaching tree because of the way that
Speaker 4: he builds relationships, because of the way that you know,
Speaker 4: he provides opportunities and empowers the people that work for him.
Speaker 4: And you know, miss Johnson is you know he won't
Speaker 4: be the last, but he's the latest that'll be on
Speaker 4: that on that Pop coaching tree. And you know, I
Speaker 4: have no doubt. I don't know how much Pop's going
Speaker 4: to be able to physically be around the team. I
Speaker 4: don't know that he'll be traveling much, if at all,
Speaker 4: or any of those kinds of things. But I have
Speaker 4: no doubt that he's going to be an unbelievable resource
Speaker 4: for a young head coach for sure.
Speaker 1: All Right, since you and I last spoke, a couple
Speaker 1: of series have ended, and I want to get your
Speaker 1: take on some teams that are no longer playing, But
Speaker 1: I will. I'll ask the question about Golden State Houston
Speaker 1: this way.
Speaker 3: What impressed you.
Speaker 1: Most about the way the Warriors went down to Houston
Speaker 1: and got that win? And what did Houston say to
Speaker 1: you taking that team to seven games?
Speaker 4: I mean, what impressing most? Yes, Buddy Heel had an
Speaker 4: unbelievable performance and like the best, the best performance of
Speaker 4: his life at a great time. But it was a reminder, Hey,
Speaker 4: this team's got a couple four time champions. This team
Speaker 4: has another brainer, future Hall of Famer Jimmy Butler, who's
Speaker 4: been through a bunch of playoff battles, and you know,
Speaker 4: their future Hall of Famer's basically showed up. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: you push just to the brink, but we're here, you know,
Speaker 4: and we're going to continue to hunt the Rockets fans
Speaker 4: nightmares for a long long time, as they've done for
Speaker 4: the last decade. And then you know, look, honestly, this
Speaker 4: series for the Rockets, this is about what I expected.
Speaker 4: I think I picked Warriors in six, but I thought
Speaker 4: that this would be a tough series. I thought that
Speaker 4: the Rockets would would make it hard on the Warriors,
Speaker 4: and I thought the Rockets just wouldn't be able to
Speaker 4: generate enough offense to be a good team four times
Speaker 4: out of seven, and that's exactly what happened. And a
Speaker 4: men Thompson is going to be a star. I don't
Speaker 4: know if he can be your number one offensive option.
Speaker 4: I don't think Jayden Green can be. He's a sometimes star.
Speaker 4: He had one good game and six duds. That's tough.
Speaker 4: It's tough to rely on that. Fengngoon I like as
Speaker 4: a you know, my comparison for him tos the bonus.
Speaker 4: If he's the best player, I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 4: be able to make deep runs. They need a star,
Speaker 4: and their hope is that it's going to be homegrown.
Speaker 4: I think the reality is they're going to need to
Speaker 4: put some of those assets to use and take a
Speaker 4: swing in the trade market to really be able to
Speaker 4: elevate to real deal contender status. I mean they're good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they were an underdog is a two seed, but they
Speaker 4: were a two seed. They want fifty plus games. They
Speaker 4: pushed the Warriors to seven games. They're really good. They're
Speaker 4: not good enough to be a real title threat unless
Speaker 4: they get that offensive engine and they've got money of
Speaker 4: assets to be able to do it. It's a matter
Speaker 4: of them finding one who they feel like makes sense.
Speaker 4: And what they don't want to do is scrunch their
Speaker 4: window because they feel like they can have a you know,
Speaker 4: really long runaway by out an NBA standards. But it's
Speaker 4: gonna be an interest in summer in Houston.
Speaker 1: They're good in there a pain in he asked him,
Speaker 1: like nobody wants to play them. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: any truth to the Durant stuff that's floating out there?
Speaker 4: Oh, there's one hundred percent truth to it, you know. Honestly,
Speaker 4: it comes down to what I just talked about about,
Speaker 4: do you want to scrunch your window? And so I
Speaker 4: know for certain, like I might speculate, and I'm not guessing,
Speaker 4: I know for certain the Wakeets will have internal discussions
Speaker 4: about Kevin Durant, and those discussions are two things, what
Speaker 4: are you willing to give up to get them? And
Speaker 4: then what are you willing to pay him on an extension?
Speaker 4: And then you know, my buddy Wendy, you know, he
Speaker 4: comes up with these things he's a little cashphraise. He
Speaker 4: goes with the KD triangle. You got to have those
Speaker 4: two things, and then you've got to make a deal
Speaker 4: that the other team's willing to take. And then the
Speaker 4: the part is KD has to want to go your team.
Speaker 4: I'm certain that Kad would be happy to go to Houston.
Speaker 4: You know, he's got a lot of respect for the
Speaker 4: Mayadoka and you know Katie knows basketball. He sees that team,
Speaker 4: he sees himself as the missing piece. I don't know
Speaker 4: that the Rockets are going to be willing to give up.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're giving them Bonanza package. I'll say
Speaker 4: that the Sun's stirring getting all three of their picks back.
Speaker 4: I can promise you that which young players don't ask
Speaker 4: about him and Thompson, I don't you know. So I
Speaker 4: don't know I would I wouldn't bet on that deal happening.
Speaker 4: But it is definitely within the realm of possibility, and
Speaker 4: it is definitely going to be a real discussion, at
Speaker 4: least internally for Houston. Then we'll see how aggressively they
Speaker 4: actually engage his sons, if at all.
Speaker 1: I can't entirely describe why, but for some reason, when
Speaker 1: I watch Rudy, I feel like I'm watching my little
Speaker 1: brother and I'm just cheering for him. And since you
Speaker 1: and I last spoke to him, our guy goes for
Speaker 1: twenty seven and twenty four and the Minnesota Timberwolves eliminate
Speaker 1: the LA Lakers. And yes, I know JJ decided to
Speaker 1: go small and he was catching lobs over Gabe Vincent,
Speaker 1: but I was just so happy for him, man, and
Speaker 1: I just get such a kick out of the lack
Speaker 1: of social media reaction whenever Rudy has a good game
Speaker 1: because of how many people crack on him. What do
Speaker 1: you make of the day that the Tea Wolves disposed
Speaker 1: of the Lakers and your thoughts on Rudy's game?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, one, I definitely was one of many who
Speaker 4: were fooled by kind of smoking mirrors Lakers defense that
Speaker 4: they put together for a couple months in the regular season.
Speaker 4: That was not a team that was ready for playoff
Speaker 4: prime time. And the Wolves certainly expose that. And then look,
Speaker 4: oh man, what a Game five for Gobert. And the
Speaker 4: funny thing is, like you and I both we've watched
Speaker 4: Rudy's entire career. We know how stupid sometimes the narrative
Speaker 4: can be around him. Rudy gets played off the floor
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. It has literally never happened. The funny
Speaker 4: thing is this series was the closest to that actually
Speaker 4: being true. Through four games, it was his worst offensive
Speaker 4: It was his worst offensive series through four games. And
Speaker 4: Game five started and boyle boy, Rudy Chamberlain showed up.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know Will Gobert who was in the house
Speaker 4: twenty seven and twenty four. And the thing is, Rudy's
Speaker 4: problem in terms of playing at small ball teams has
Speaker 4: not been the defensive end. It's been his dominance was
Speaker 4: mitigated on the defensive end. But he's he's never been
Speaker 4: the reason the defense fell apart, right, He just wasn't
Speaker 4: able to cover up all his teammates' flaws, or you know,
Speaker 4: he wasn't able to plug all the holes. The problem
Speaker 4: with Rudy against small ball teams was he wasn't able
Speaker 4: to punish them on the other end. And he damn
Speaker 4: sure punished him on the other end of this game.
Speaker 4: And he didn't do it by posting up. He didn't
Speaker 4: do it, you know, he wasn't Shaquille O'Neal. He did
Speaker 4: it by domining the glass, grabbing every opportunity bound by
Speaker 4: you know, dunking it by being available, you know, for
Speaker 4: for dump off passes and throwing it down and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I know, you know, Rudy didn't want to
Speaker 4: take the victory lap. It's just the first round, all
Speaker 4: those kind of things. I know how sweet it was
Speaker 4: for him to dominate Luca's team like that. I know
Speaker 4: how sweet it was for him to dunk on Luca's head.
Speaker 4: I told him you should have talked that Slovenia to him.
Speaker 4: You can't bleep and guard me bleep a bleeper. And
Speaker 4: you know what, if this is a Rudy revenge tour,
Speaker 4: no better foe for the second round than Draymond Green's
Speaker 4: Golden State Warriors. It's gonna be a fun one for sure.
Speaker 1: Do you give I mean, look to ask if you
Speaker 1: give Golden State a puncher's chances silly because you know
Speaker 1: who they have on the team. This just feels like
Speaker 1: it feels similar tim to the problems Houston poses, but
Speaker 1: Minnesota has more offensive juice. And I want to watch
Speaker 1: the stuff thing as much as I possibly can, as
Speaker 1: long as I possibly can.
Speaker 3: But your early thoughts on t Wolves Warriors.
Speaker 4: I think mack of a series man, And you know,
Speaker 4: I say what you want about Draymond, but uh, and
Speaker 4: I love doing Finnish Smith. But Draymond is a small
Speaker 4: ball center is a different type of animal, you know.
Speaker 4: Three Like Draymond's it's going to be physical. Raymond, like
Speaker 4: Rudy's not going to be able to grab twenty four
Speaker 4: rebounds in the game. I don't think. Maybe he'll prove
Speaker 4: me wrong and it'll be fun to watch, you know.
Speaker 4: The other thing is, you know Draymond has four texts
Speaker 4: and two flagrant fouls already going into the second round. Yep,
Speaker 4: you're suspended the seven texts and full flagrant foul points
Speaker 4: and you've got to deal with Monsieur Gobert. Uh. Let's see,
Speaker 4: let's see a me gotten Rudy can get Draymond suspended
Speaker 4: in the series for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, last thing I'll set you loose, just your
Speaker 1: thoughts you were court side. I mean, that was a
Speaker 1: sole stealing win from Denver, Oklahoma City. He had that
Speaker 1: thing wrapped up and wondered what it was like to
Speaker 1: witness that, you know, courtside the brilliance of Jokich, the
Speaker 1: game winner from Aaron Gordon, and your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: rest of the series after Game one is in the books.
Speaker 4: You know, I thought it was pretty fascinating to hear
Speaker 4: Shay gild With Alexander's response after that game, and he
Speaker 4: said it should be fun. You know, basically, Hey, we
Speaker 4: get to see what we're really made of now, how
Speaker 4: we respond to some real adversity, because that was a
Speaker 4: complete and utter meltdown of epic proportions. And pay give
Speaker 4: Joe like Joeer dominated, and you know, the Nuggets came
Speaker 4: back and they took the game. Dude, the fun gave
Speaker 4: it away, and they gave it away by the offense
Speaker 4: drying up in the last four minutes, and they gave
Speaker 4: it away by just like terrible execute Like okay, you
Speaker 4: executed the analytics game plan, but man, the length. There's
Speaker 4: got to be some nuance in there. I mean to
Speaker 4: get your your I get found on up three, but
Speaker 4: fouling up three when you are you know, when you're
Speaker 4: eighty feet away from the basket and two thousand the
Speaker 4: final thirteen seconds that burn a total of one point
Speaker 4: nine seconds. And then I love Chit holker Man, but
Speaker 4: whof his breathing was restricted up there on the free
Speaker 4: throw line. So you know, I think one of the
Speaker 4: great things about Okay see, despite the being a young
Speaker 4: teams are very mature, they're very even field. I think
Speaker 4: they've done a great job still making handle success. And
Speaker 4: that's not my gonna say it's the first time they
Speaker 4: dealt diversity. Like listen, Chet fractured to telvi Us this year,
Speaker 4: They've had adversity. But this is a different kind and
Speaker 4: this is a different monster. This is a championship proven
Speaker 4: core that you're competing against. This is the three time
Speaker 4: MVP and by the way, you know what, uh, it's
Speaker 4: one game. I believe she's gonna win the MVP. But
Speaker 4: you know, Dave Robinson won the MVP one year and
Speaker 4: he face the PEMO Lodge on the play so it
Speaker 4: ain't head to head. I get that. But Round one
Speaker 4: of what might be a seven round fight certainly went
Speaker 4: to Nicole Jokich with underneath Shay to play like he
Speaker 4: did all year long, which was only worsen once in
Speaker 4: these playoffs. I mean, Jay and Winz but I could
Speaker 4: in the first round and not in the Western commence
Speaker 4: in my finals last year. And you know, they if
Speaker 4: they get some situation where they're fouling up three, they
Speaker 4: need to do a little bit better job of kind
Speaker 4: of having some nuanced that strategy.
Speaker 1: Well said, Yeah, a guy named Karl Malone won a
Speaker 1: couple of m vps. I'm not sure a guy named
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan enjoyed that. So we saw how that ended.
Speaker 1: All right, our guy, appreciate it. Man, enjoy the time.
Speaker 1: There should be a fun series we'll chat too.
Speaker 4: Always a pleasure, all right.
Speaker 1: Tim McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN. Get him on
Speaker 1: Twitter at ESPN Underscore. McMahon wrote a book that was
Speaker 1: released in March, Luka Doncicch and the Curse of Greatness.
Speaker 3: The links to to buy that book or up on
Speaker 3: his Twitter page.
Speaker 1: As he was court sided last night, wat the Denver
Speaker 1: Nuggets just snatch this game away from Okac