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Speaker 5: It's strange A six year old beauty queen.
Speaker 4: Oh hullo, A mother's chilling call for help? We ever
Speaker 4: kidnapped nor Doblin Corn.
Speaker 6: Patsy Ramsey's daughter John Bennet would soon be found dead
Speaker 6: inside her Colorado home.
Speaker 4: Was there an intruder or was the family and farm, and.
Speaker 6: The parents would soon be under the microscope.
Speaker 7: I did not kill my daughter, John Benet.
Speaker 6: That was December nineteen ninety six. Twenty eight years later.
Speaker 6: The case is still unsolved.
Speaker 7: We're not asking you to clear us, or apologize or
Speaker 7: be nice to us again.
Speaker 6: But what John Ramsey is asking for us, he told
Speaker 6: True Crime News host Ana Garcia in a headline making
Speaker 6: exclusive interview, is for Boulder police to take a new
Speaker 6: look at evidence.
Speaker 7: We've had unidentified male DNA from January nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 7: and as one prosecutor told me, I've never ever seen
Speaker 7: a police department try to explain away unidentified male DNA
Speaker 7: in a sexual assault case.
Speaker 4: I truly believe we can solve this crime.
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Speaker 3: So everybody in the new year, there will be an
Speaker 3: episode out with I did an episode with this lady,
Speaker 3: this woman who does trans investigations into who in Hollywood
Speaker 3: in some of the major celebrities that we know of
Speaker 3: are supposedly transgender. She claims Trump's a woman. It's like
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a fun episode for everybody because it's
Speaker 3: like strange. Yeah, I don't necessarily maybe believe it, like
Speaker 3: I think some of it might be possible. I do
Speaker 3: think that there are celebrities like maybe Lady Gaga and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. That and so and they like they
Speaker 3: like worship baf meant and all that weird stuff, so
Speaker 3: it will be exciting for people to hear because it's
Speaker 3: so definitely a weird episode. But this is even stranger,
Speaker 3: a case that seems to never be able to be solved,
Speaker 3: which makes me question a lot of the motive and
Speaker 3: stuff behind. Like, you know, this is a weird one.
Speaker 3: This is a very famous case. Do you remember, like
Speaker 3: the first time you heard about this?
Speaker 4: I actually don't, but I I don't know if I could, like,
Speaker 4: you know, pick a specific Oh that was the first
Speaker 4: time I heard about it, But yeah, it's definitely always
Speaker 4: It's one of those ones. I think that's always been
Speaker 4: like in the zeitgeist rais. I've always been out there
Speaker 4: and I've always heard that name all the time, and
Speaker 4: I think maybe years ago I might have followed the
Speaker 4: case and went like down the rabbit hole and then
Speaker 4: kind of forgot about it. And it's only in more
Speaker 4: recent times that I was like, oh you remember that shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is interesting, right, because that's like me too.
Speaker 3: I've always I always remember hearing the name, uh, even
Speaker 3: like from song it's like don't on a necro or
Speaker 3: something like that where he like says like the Ramsey
Speaker 3: name and like it is really famous, and this is
Speaker 3: what eventually if we do cover Madeline McCain because you
Speaker 3: read a book all by that stuff. It is interesting
Speaker 3: they focus on certain yeah.
Speaker 4: Campaign that if this goes well, on campaigning for it, because.
Speaker 3: That I don't know, it makes any question why they
Speaker 3: focus solely on some cases. But like literally, like in
Speaker 3: Canada it's like forty five thousand children are missing a year.
Speaker 3: In the United States, it's way more, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: and those numbers are probably we don't even know if
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Speaker 3: And this is an interesting case. And I just faced
Speaker 3: the Netflix documentary. That's what made me be like, hey,
Speaker 3: we gotta do this. It's around Christmas, you know, I
Speaker 3: wanted to do it in December and uh yeah, so
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Speaker 9: Past Santa Claus in his sleigh and a double row
Speaker 9: of candy canes. Deputy Corners brought the body of six
Speaker 9: year old John Benet Ramsey from her upscale home. Neighbors
Speaker 9: described the young girl as beautiful and polite. In nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety five, she won the Little Miss Colorado pageant. Bolder
Speaker 9: police won't comment on her cause of death, only saying
Speaker 9: that she wasn't shot or stabbed. They are investigating her
Speaker 9: death as a homicide. So far, no arrests have been made.
Speaker 9: This case started as a kidnapping. Police were called here
Speaker 9: to the scene at about six am the morning after Christmas.
Speaker 9: Someone inside this house had made a nine to one
Speaker 9: one call saying that little John Vannay had been kidnapped.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 4: When police got here, they.
Speaker 9: Went inside the house and a short time later they
Speaker 9: found the little girl's body. The parents, John and Patsy Ramsey,
Speaker 9: were home at the time, but detectives say the parents
Speaker 9: are not suspects. The father is the president of Access Graphics,
Speaker 9: located on Boulder's Pearl Street Mall. The couple does have
Speaker 9: another child, a son around ten years old. Whether the
Speaker 9: boys a suspect, investigators won't comment, saying only that right now,
Speaker 9: this murder investigation is wide open in Boulder, Phil Keating
Speaker 9: nine News.
Speaker 3: It's so fi it's like they only can say that
Speaker 3: she wasn't shot or stabbed, thank you, that's very informative.
Speaker 4: Was she involved in gang violence? You know, it's just
Speaker 4: like that's literally nothing like I mean, yeah, it's still
Speaker 4: in case. A lot of people may not know that too,
Speaker 4: is being just like you know, oh well, all we
Speaker 4: can say is she's dead. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: That's they do with ever thing, right, Like especially all
Speaker 3: these people that like suddenly die.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh yeah, it's just just like you know,
Speaker 4: like how they kind of reference it and like it's
Speaker 4: not just this case, but I've definitely heard cases before
Speaker 4: where they say things like they just come across really odd, like, well,
Speaker 4: we can confirm that she's definitely not alive.
Speaker 3: I yeah, and yeah, it's so weird. And I'm going
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 3: The pageantry thing is fucking that's already just well there's
Speaker 3: some of that. I'm gonna we'll show some videos later
Speaker 3: of her in her pageant but like that's not too bad,
Speaker 3: but there's some things that.
Speaker 4: Have ye but still right even just put that image
Speaker 4: back up for a second, right, like that to me
Speaker 4: looks like like a fully formed woman in like a
Speaker 4: miniature body. It's really unsettling to think, Oh I'm looking
Speaker 4: at an actual kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's the makeup. I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like readium comfortable it is.
Speaker 3: It is like the makeup and the way they dressed her,
Speaker 3: and and then people are it's.
Speaker 4: Just I don't I don't know if man, if it's just this.
Speaker 3: Fun thing because they it's it's a pageantry of essentially
Speaker 3: dressing up a kid as what a full grown woman
Speaker 3: would wear to some sort of pageant or like you know,
Speaker 3: miss Universe, and now it's a man for.
Speaker 4: Some reason, you know, but like what's the purpose? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, I don't understand, like what, like I.
Speaker 3: Don't know why it came about. Why they do it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Why why it's been.
Speaker 4: A thing like you could say, and I know there's
Speaker 4: probably lunatics out there who still love all that stuff
Speaker 4: and yeah look at that. Come on, like come on,
Speaker 4: that is very weird.
Speaker 3: So the our listeners were obviously showing pictures of her
Speaker 3: and her pageantry outfits, and it's.
Speaker 4: It's it's really weird.
Speaker 3: And honestly, like pedophiles and stuff like that hide in
Speaker 3: these places that are like they go where children go.
Speaker 3: Right there, teachers they're priests, you know, like they there
Speaker 3: they go either a pastor right they go where kids are,
Speaker 3: they're a Sunday school teacher. Now they're justin Trudeau.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just like the problem. The other problem as well,
Speaker 4: as you see when you question people who put their
Speaker 4: kids into stuff like that, the problem is they're either
Speaker 4: well they're going to say it so the parents will
Speaker 4: say it, or the guardians and then they've probably already
Speaker 4: brainwashed the kid as well into thinking, oh, no, she
Speaker 4: really wants to that she likes to get dressed up
Speaker 4: like a princess and like do a whole thing, and
Speaker 4: that she just feels so amazing. She feels like a
Speaker 4: Disney princess. It's like, yeah, but I don't I don't
Speaker 4: know if any kid ever wakes and goes, you know,
Speaker 4: I want you to put me in like.
Speaker 3: Underwear and yeah, I know that's what literally this is like.
Speaker 3: And you think that some creep that is attracted to
Speaker 3: this ship. Wouldn't wouldn't go yeah, wouldn't be there like
Speaker 3: you kidding me, Like it's.
Speaker 4: Funny be a judge. Wouldn't somehow like stimulate into all
Speaker 4: that and be like mm hmm yo.
Speaker 3: Me, Well, look what when we start to get into
Speaker 3: stuff like even the clown killer uh, you know, John
Speaker 3: Wayne Gacy, stuff like that, he like inserted himself into
Speaker 3: positions to be like I'm a good guy. I work
Speaker 3: for the town, and I mean I'm a I'm loved
Speaker 3: around the around the town, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 3: very bizarre. So on December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 3: John uh and Patsy What a Name Ramsey reported that
Speaker 3: their six year old daughter, Joahmina Ramsey had been kiddepped
Speaker 3: and they found a ransom note demanding one thousand, one
Speaker 3: hundred and one hundred eighteen dollars. I think I I'd
Speaker 3: say that a few hours later she was found dead.
Speaker 3: That's a very specific number two and the family home
Speaker 3: in Boulder, Colorado. The shocking rumor of John man A
Speaker 3: Ramsey was just the beginning of a decade long mystery
Speaker 3: discovery of John but brutally murdered body in the spare
Speaker 3: room of the basement of the family's mansion in Boulder, Colorado,
Speaker 3: shocked the nation. It was an event that unfolded after
Speaker 3: truly that truly raised eyebrows and scratched heads, to the
Speaker 3: extent that there's no definitive answer as what happened on
Speaker 3: that winter evening nearly three decades ago. Various suspects have
Speaker 3: been investigated over the years, including John Benet's own parents,
Speaker 3: John and Patsy Ramsey, who have maintained their innocence from
Speaker 3: the beginning. No one has ever been charged in the
Speaker 3: child beauty queen murder Like a beauty queen, a child
Speaker 3: that sounds weird in general, but which is backed. Which
Speaker 3: is back in the spotlight following the release of Netflix
Speaker 3: cold case Who killed John Benet Ramsey? While the timeline
Speaker 3: of the events leads up to discovery of the body
Speaker 3: are unclear, those that transpired after what happened and who
Speaker 3: killed John Boney Ramsey are still unclear to the mass population. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, not a thousand, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that'd be very specific. One hundred thousand and eighteen dollars.
Speaker 3: It's just like super super specific, just a case.
Speaker 4: Are we are we going to talk about the I'm
Speaker 4: assuming you know, like why it's weird that that was
Speaker 4: so specific?
Speaker 3: No, can you enlighten me if I may have it?
Speaker 4: I don't know. So for for people who may not notice, my.
Speaker 3: Read is delicious, I'm eventually in a question. No, it's
Speaker 3: like a really nice it's an Irish it's an Irish beer.
Speaker 4: They say you've been doing dry January or the last
Speaker 4: like four years now.
Speaker 3: It's it says it's an Irish red Ale and I
Speaker 3: have never heard of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was made in America. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it was. And yeah, so they find this ransom note
Speaker 4: letter or whatever and on it they were demanded one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighteen thousan dollars it's made in Canada, which
Speaker 4: that amount matched the exact amount of a recent bonus
Speaker 4: that John Ramsey had received at work.
Speaker 3: Seeing how they know that, and that's what we'll get
Speaker 3: into the stuff about like nine to eleven, and like
Speaker 3: there's really weird conspiracy theories. So we're gonna break down
Speaker 3: the timeline and I'm gonna do this in a nice
Speaker 3: wrapped up like a bow. Since it's gonna be Christmas
Speaker 3: kind of manner of we're just gonna kind of break
Speaker 3: down a lot of the timelines because there's a lot
Speaker 3: to this case. So three days before John Banay's body
Speaker 3: was found, a nine on one call was made from
Speaker 3: the home, but on January tenth, it reported that it
Speaker 3: was likely a mistake made by a drug party guest.
Speaker 3: According to CNN, I would ever believe them. So December
Speaker 3: twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six, the Rambis attend a Christmas
Speaker 3: party at a family friend's house. John Banney gets a
Speaker 3: bike for Christmas after attending a Christmas party hosted by
Speaker 3: a family friend Fleet White.
Speaker 4: What a name. Guy's name's Fleet White. Now this might
Speaker 4: this might sound a bit weird that I'm even having
Speaker 4: this top process both, you know, when you mentioned they're
Speaker 4: at like a party with different guests and they're going
Speaker 4: to different places. I can't help but think like where
Speaker 4: these parents like creepy and like, you know, going to
Speaker 4: like parties in other houses and being like, hey, Jambney,
Speaker 4: why don't you put on your underwear and like in
Speaker 4: the sitting room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, because there's a possibility that
Speaker 3: that is the case if story on the stream of
Speaker 3: something that I just heard recently. But like it's crazy
Speaker 3: the stuff that some people don't know about other people
Speaker 3: and and I can't, I can't go on, but essentially
Speaker 3: that yeah, just someone involved with something along those lines
Speaker 3: of using kids and getting their own kid to like
Speaker 3: bring in kids to It's so crazy, man, And this
Speaker 3: stuff happens all the time, and then people don't even
Speaker 3: realize it because it doesn't good mass attention, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Uh, there is theories that the brother
Speaker 3: did do it. We will get to that because that's weird.
Speaker 3: And he's a weird guy. What's his name again? Such
Speaker 3: a what?
Speaker 4: No? No Burke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he has a weird name. Anyway, So
Speaker 3: she gets a nice bike, you know, maybe it's a bike,
Speaker 3: like just.
Speaker 4: To continue because she's but just to continue on that that,
Speaker 4: Like as time has gone on, more and more. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this whole family, you're fucking weird, man, I know, everything
Speaker 4: seems weird. Yeah, everything about them is just weird. At first,
Speaker 4: it's like it kind of unfaced fat it seems like,
Speaker 4: you know, oh, like this shift thing has after happened
Speaker 4: and Okay, maybe they're a bit weird to have your
Speaker 4: kid doing beauty pageants or whatever. But then is it
Speaker 4: started to kind of dive into the case you like,
Speaker 4: by the second's right, she fuckings she seems weird, he
Speaker 4: seems weird.
Speaker 3: But then watching the Netflix thing and hearing him talk,
Speaker 3: I'm almost like, Okay, there's something weird about you. But
Speaker 3: I kind of trust what you're saying. Like you just
Speaker 3: gotta watch people's mannerisms and their body language and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and there's like things you gotta look for cues.
Speaker 3: So she she gets on her bike and she rides
Speaker 3: away just cake.
Speaker 4: They go.
Speaker 3: They go home, and John Benney goes to bed, and
Speaker 3: I was gonna think, like, you can't name your kid
Speaker 3: John Binney anymore, Like there's no way. It's like it's
Speaker 3: like Adolph right, Like you know, I'm gonna un it.
Speaker 3: Well it's supposed to be based on his name.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, sorry, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Guess I can tell the stream. Now I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: a father everybody. It's already out there and we released it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty crazy, So I'm gonna be out a father.
Speaker 4: Where it's like pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'll just mention it at some
Speaker 3: point in some episode, I'm very excited to be a father.
Speaker 4: So now it's gonna be interesting, interesting, it will it
Speaker 4: will be that scary stuff.
Speaker 3: So yes, thank you everybody you know. And this is
Speaker 3: such an interesting case to begin with.
Speaker 4: And stuff. I hear my cat freaking out over there.
Speaker 4: I was wondering.
Speaker 3: I was like, going, my cat is, like is I
Speaker 3: think she's slowly dying because she's just gone mental and
Speaker 3: she just like wants so much attention.
Speaker 4: It's like wild, she's I think she's losing it. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you can die. Who cares.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've had her for since I was seventeen. Man,
Speaker 3: she's like sixteen, seventeen years old or something. Shit, I think,
Speaker 3: so yeah, crazy, It's like she's an old cat, but
Speaker 3: she's still kicking. So yeah, she likes So some story
Speaker 3: you say that she snuck back downstairs and fought with
Speaker 3: a brother over a late night snack of pineapple, which
Speaker 3: sounds like some kind of swinger stuff you're asking me. Indeed,
Speaker 3: the undigested tropical fruit was found in her stomach. So
Speaker 3: when pats this was in December twenty sixth. The next day,
Speaker 3: you know, Patsy gets up to make coffee. Around five
Speaker 3: three am, she discovers two and a half page handwritten
Speaker 3: ransom note on the backstairs leading to the kitchen, and
Speaker 3: that says the daughter has been kidnapped.
Speaker 4: Pretty weird. Can I dive into some of the letter? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4: You pop in. Should I read the whole thing? Or
Speaker 4: just can you do it in your voice? Your Yeah?
Speaker 4: Which one the scary one or to squeaky one.
Speaker 3: I feel like this person is not really thought out well,
Speaker 3: so I think it'd be kind of funny for this squeak.
Speaker 4: Can you bring that back up on screen again? Because
Speaker 4: I have like random pieces of it. Can you read that?
Speaker 4: Is it good? Spice?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think the demon voice would be I feel like
Speaker 3: you would be able to. It would just sound all
Speaker 3: you should try the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me see. The demon voice might just drowned
Speaker 4: out though I know. Yeah, no, that's not gonna ry.
Speaker 4: Mister Ramsey. Listen carefully.
Speaker 12: We are a group of individuals that represent a small
Speaker 12: foreign faction. We respect your business, but not all the
Speaker 12: country something that it seems I don't know. At this time.
Speaker 12: We have your daughter in our possession. He is safe
Speaker 12: and unharmed, and if you want to see and if
Speaker 12: you want her to see nineteen ninety seven, you must follow.
Speaker 4: Our instructions to the letter.
Speaker 12: You will withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from
Speaker 12: your account. One hundred thousand will be in one hundred
Speaker 12: dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills.
Speaker 12: Make sure that you bring an adequate size something bag
Speaker 12: to the bank. When you get home, you will put
Speaker 12: the money in a brown paper bag. I will call
Speaker 12: you between eight and ten am tomorrow to instruct you
Speaker 12: on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting, so I advise
Speaker 12: you to be arrested. If we monitor you getting the
Speaker 12: money early, we might call you early to arrange an
Speaker 12: earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup
Speaker 12: of your daughter. Any deviation for my instructions will result
Speaker 12: in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also
Speaker 12: be denied her remains for a proper burial. The two
Speaker 12: gentlemen watching over your daughter don't particularly like you, so
Speaker 12: I advise you do not. I advise you do not
Speaker 12: provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation such as police, FBI, etc.
Speaker 12: Will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch
Speaker 12: you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you
Speaker 12: will ern bank authorities, she dies. If the money is
Speaker 12: in any way marked are tempered with, she dies. You
Speaker 12: will be scanned for electronic devices, and if any are found,
Speaker 12: she dies. You can try deceive us, but be warned
Speaker 12: that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.
Speaker 12: You stand at ninety nine percent chads of killing your
Speaker 12: daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions,
Speaker 12: and you stand one hundred percent chance of getting her back.
Speaker 12: You in your family are undercounts and scrutiny as well
Speaker 12: as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain, John,
Speaker 12: You're not the only factcat around, so don't think that
Speaker 12: killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us. John, here's that
Speaker 12: good setter and common sense of yours. It is up
Speaker 12: to you now, John Victory SBTC.
Speaker 3: It's so weird, man, like just the the whole like letter.
Speaker 3: We almost would have done the robot voice because that's
Speaker 3: because they would be like or.
Speaker 4: And he's actually download more voices. I think, can you
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 3: I think so wow, man, I need to get the
Speaker 3: new updated version. It is wild. It just it's such
Speaker 3: a weird letter to begin with, too.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize how much of an issue I was
Speaker 4: going to have. Reading the actual rite, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 4: this is like something that like she wrote herself.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking. It's very it's weird. The letter
Speaker 3: is a very weird thing to begin with. We'll get
Speaker 3: to all the theories later, but yeah, I demanded all
Speaker 3: the stuff. So Patsy calls nine one one anyway, even
Speaker 3: though they told her in the letter not.
Speaker 4: To and weird, right, So they were like, if you
Speaker 4: call anyone, it's what was it in nineteen chances she
Speaker 4: dies and she was already dead most likely, and if
Speaker 4: you don't call anyone, you've a one hundred percent chance
Speaker 4: of seen her again. It's like, no, I guess you
Speaker 4: probably will. Well, would you call the police?
Speaker 3: Like the first instinct is to, like, after that really
Speaker 3: threatening letter is to be like, all right, well.
Speaker 4: We're going to beheader if you do an Okay, let
Speaker 4: me do that thing first.
Speaker 3: So let's play the phone call.
Speaker 8: Please, what's going on two Street? What's going on? Them? Were?
Speaker 8: Please plain to me what's going on? Okay, there's a
Speaker 8: young west nor I'm going a note was left in
Speaker 8: your daughter again? How old is your daughter? She's going
Speaker 8: six years old? How long ago was this?
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I just feel the note and my daughter gives a say, chicker,
Speaker 8: what did it say?
Speaker 10: The kidder?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 8: There's a ransom note here. It's a ransom now because
Speaker 8: if BTC Victory please okay? What's your name? Are you?
Speaker 8: Gonnady Ramsay? I'm the mother? Oh my god, please, I'm okay.
Speaker 8: I'm sitting in office over okay. Do you know how
Speaker 8: long she's been? Guy? I don't please. We just got
Speaker 8: up and she run here. Oh my god, please okay
Speaker 8: if I am honey, take a deep breast, Catty, Caty, Patty.
Speaker 3: The body of Jean Manet Ramsey, strangled and beaten, is
Speaker 3: found in the basements.
Speaker 13: None of it makes sense?
Speaker 14: What else don't we know?
Speaker 3: Will whoever kills John Maree Ramsey get away with murder?
Speaker 4: Patsy Patsy, Patsy Patsy.
Speaker 3: It's such a The whole thing is weird.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like she just she doesn't first start right,
Speaker 4: she doesn't sound now. Look and O there's arguments there
Speaker 4: for you know, lots of different people react different ways,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. I can't say that I wouldn't act
Speaker 4: the same, but I'd be lying if I didn't say.
Speaker 4: For me personally, listening to that, I'm like, hmm, that
Speaker 4: sounds like if you asked me to record a nine
Speaker 4: on one call for the show and pretend to be panicked.
Speaker 3: I think I would freak. I'd be freaking out.
Speaker 4: Like she's very coherent for somebody who's like just realized.
Speaker 3: You think you be balling your eyes out and stuff.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 4: She's very like, yes, it's me, It's it's Patsy. It's
Speaker 4: Patsy Ramsey the mother. And I'm like, what Patsy, Patsy
Speaker 4: who named her man?
Speaker 3: Come on and in her name being Patsy, Like know what,
Speaker 3: I guarantee there's some sort of like conspiracy channel that's like,
Speaker 3: you know, you.
Speaker 4: Gotta connect the dots man.
Speaker 3: Her name is Patsy because she was a Patsy and
Speaker 3: the murder of her own you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 3: Just for a six am police officer Rick French arrives
Speaker 3: good old French boy at the home and does a search.
Speaker 3: He pauses by the door that John Benet was later
Speaker 3: found behind, but doesn't open it. Accordant to news Weekly,
Speaker 3: Linda Aren't was the first detective on scene, arriving about
Speaker 3: two hours later. John Beney is still nowhere to be
Speaker 3: found as the morning stretches on. In the afternoon, Aren't
Speaker 3: instructs John and Fleet White, one of the friends that
Speaker 3: you know that they went to the Christmas party for
Speaker 3: to con sol the Ramses, to do a top to
Speaker 3: bottom search of the home for anything unusual. Just after
Speaker 3: one pm, John opens the door to his basement spare
Speaker 3: room sees John Bonny's body so pretty wild that it
Speaker 3: took him his own father to find the body. It
Speaker 3: looks like she had been strangled in her mouth and
Speaker 3: neck wrapped covered with duct tape. At John removes the
Speaker 3: duct tape, picks up his daughter, and runs screaming upstairs
Speaker 3: for everybody. Later on we will be showing I have
Speaker 3: video it's about four minutes long of all of the
Speaker 3: essentially the crime scene photos, So be prepared for that.
Speaker 3: I'll wait till a little later because it's pretty disturbing.
Speaker 3: What began as a kidnapping takes up takes a sharp term.
Speaker 3: This is now a homicide. By bringing upstairs and leaving
Speaker 3: the basement door open. Much of the evidence is tainted.
Speaker 3: So but to me kind of right, like, oh, John
Speaker 3: Maine would have been thirty four right now, Wow, you're
Speaker 3: literally a year older than me.
Speaker 4: Uh and uh quick maths. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's hard to say how you would react, right
Speaker 3: because if it was my kid, right like I would
Speaker 3: you be in shock. But then the cops would tell
Speaker 3: you probably have to touch.
Speaker 4: Anything, like like they didn't sure, yeah, like they didn't
Speaker 4: secure the house. It was like friends and family and everything.
Speaker 4: There's another thing, actually, yeah, don't think you mentioned that
Speaker 4: they rang all their fucking like friends and all the
Speaker 4: We're like, yeah, come over, John man as have been
Speaker 4: kid to have come on over.
Speaker 3: All of this seems I hate the word sus but
Speaker 3: it likes to use it. But it's suspect. Finish your words, everybody.
Speaker 3: The reason why you don't finish your words because trying
Speaker 3: dumb us down, because it's part of the the a
Speaker 3: Copal's agenda. Okay, to make you dumb. Finish your words, man,
Speaker 3: It's okay. Use the English language even though I can't
Speaker 3: even I butcher it sometimes and I only need to
Speaker 3: speak one language.
Speaker 4: You know, but it's weird. Let me play Devil's Advocated
Speaker 4: and people are probably gonna thin I'm an absolute scumbag
Speaker 4: for like I keep pressing on the fact that they
Speaker 4: might actually be at fault. But I know if I
Speaker 4: had done something to my child, if I was them
Speaker 4: and I had done that or whatever, right, and I
Speaker 4: wanted to like cover it up and whatever. That's a
Speaker 4: really clever thing to do, especially in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because you could technically pass that off as Oh,
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do. I was freaking out.
Speaker 4: My daughter's gone missing. I find this note. So I
Speaker 4: just started ringing people close to me and like needed
Speaker 4: people around and I was like freaking out and scared,
Speaker 4: and so it's really good, like way, like I suppose
Speaker 4: contaminate absolutely fucking everything. Yeah, and that's what they like.
Speaker 3: It's on the police to which, like you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, people can say what they want. I'm not
Speaker 3: really a fan of police. I think they're just an
Speaker 3: authoritarian boot of the state. They're there to protect property
Speaker 3: and actually people, right. So, and then this has happened
Speaker 3: so often you will hear it in future episodes that
Speaker 3: will cover when it comes to true crime, especially serial killers,
Speaker 3: where they don't do their due processing. Oh, it's just
Speaker 3: you know, that's why you have to have serious people
Speaker 3: that take the job seriously, or you're gonna have these
Speaker 3: guys that are like stay in no day in the
Speaker 3: job and they don't really care about the evidence or
Speaker 3: what gets contaminated. They should have sealed off the house,
Speaker 3: they should have kicked everybody out. Like there's things that
Speaker 3: they should have done that they didn't do. And it's
Speaker 3: on the fault of the police to be honest in
Speaker 3: this case in particular. Or do you think that there's.
Speaker 4: Like an ulterior motive from the police, or do you
Speaker 4: think it's the fact that like they're just that incompetent
Speaker 4: and like don't know how to deal with this.
Speaker 3: God knows, man, he was a rich guy. He was
Speaker 3: involved Lucky Martin and stuff. So I don't know, there's
Speaker 3: something like John was John Ramsey's. I don't know, there's
Speaker 3: something really weird about all this whole thing. You know,
Speaker 3: it was an a ritual, you know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 12: Man.
Speaker 3: The further I look into like conspiracy stuff and like
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that's been going on, I don't know.
Speaker 4: The more I'm like, I question.
Speaker 3: Like literally everything, uh and and don't trust anything, right,
Speaker 3: So the family goes to the Boulder Police station. I
Speaker 3: remember when it happened, the media leaned into the parents
Speaker 3: as the bad guys. Yeah, I'm trying to keep it open, Mike,
Speaker 3: I know, because there's a you gotta look at it
Speaker 3: a fresh look, you know. And and the letter does
Speaker 3: implicate that it was someone close because they're like really
Speaker 3: trying to like push John and stuff like that. So,
Speaker 3: you know, the family goes to the Boulder Police station.
Speaker 3: They're willingly give their hair, blood and hand written samples.
Speaker 3: The next day, Ramseys go back to the former hometown
Speaker 3: of Atlanta and preparations for John Benet's funeral. Six year
Speaker 3: old is laid to rest in Manrita George Usher, next
Speaker 3: to her older half sister Elizabeth, who died in a
Speaker 3: car accident in nineteen ninety two, a little like I
Speaker 3: don't know about two hundred family members and frands. The
Speaker 3: ceremony at the family's old church. January first, nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 3: John and Patsy give a New Year's Date interview. John
Speaker 3: Beney's parents, who hired lawyers and private investigators to give
Speaker 3: a very difficult, forty five minute long interview to CNN
Speaker 3: from Atlanta, where they now are staying with family, while
Speaker 3: Bolder police have been reassuring the community there wasn't a
Speaker 3: murderer on the run. They don't like to cost panic.
Speaker 3: But how would you know that, Patsy sait on television
Speaker 3: there is a killer loose. If it was a resident
Speaker 3: of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep keep
Speaker 3: your babies close to someone out there. She was a
Speaker 3: very hysterical woman and if there's some really suspect stuff
Speaker 3: about her, you know it is.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to grab to any interviews with them
Speaker 3: because everyone if you want to hear some of the
Speaker 3: there's very long interviews online. Like I was gonna bring
Speaker 3: some of those, but it's not necessary because you can
Speaker 3: all look this up on YouTube if you want to know,
Speaker 3: Like there's literally the full interviews of them, whatever they've
Speaker 3: done television appearances. She added, America suffering because we have
Speaker 3: lost faith in the American family. Oh, that's very true
Speaker 3: now more than ever, citing the examples of the mystery
Speaker 3: of what happened to O. J.
Speaker 4: Simpson.
Speaker 3: We're all Christian, God fearing families, We love our children,
Speaker 3: We do anything for our children. Set protecting from foreign
Speaker 3: invaders more and than politics always can slip in this more.
Speaker 3: In nine to ninety nine's murder case f Lee, Bailey
Speaker 3: stands and looks left. OJ holds his fist in front
Speaker 3: of him and looks left. Johnny Cochran and stands and
Speaker 3: looks left. All three men wearing suits with ties. A
Speaker 3: timeline on O. J. Simpson's murder Oh, around the same
Speaker 3: time O J. Simpsons Interesting eventually maybe would get into
Speaker 3: Lie Lyle and Eric Mendez at some point because that
Speaker 3: just came out too like I would cover them just
Speaker 3: to do our own spin on it. Strange Brew does
Speaker 3: do its own kind of thing when it comes to
Speaker 3: especially true crime. That's literally what we're labeled as true
Speaker 3: crime and comedy. So inside of a courtroom, a wooden table,
Speaker 3: face down, Lyle's wearing a blue prison outfit. Eric is
Speaker 3: wearing a great prison outfit with long white T shirts.
Speaker 3: It's this idea about what was going on at the time, right,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of this thing of you know,
Speaker 3: murderers and our people innocent are the guilty. OJ was
Speaker 3: one thousand percent guilty he put the glove on, like
Speaker 3: this mean biller were talking about your the Halloween special.
Speaker 3: It's like he I would cover that at some point too.
Speaker 3: I think it would be fascinating to cover at some
Speaker 3: especially more of the conspiracy.
Speaker 4: Sides of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety seven, investigators follow the family to Georgia. A
Speaker 3: team of five detectives from Boulder fly to Woodland at
Speaker 3: Courtney CNN. Investigators were shocked that the Ramseys granted TV
Speaker 3: interviews since they claimed to be too emotional to talk
Speaker 3: to the police. Very strange. They searched for clues in Georgia.
Speaker 4: Days later.
Speaker 3: Authorities also searched the Ramsey's vacation home in Michigan January third,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven. Detectives revealed the ransom note was written
Speaker 3: inside the house, which you know, it's just bizarre in
Speaker 3: general and meaning likely it was written after the murder.
Speaker 3: The same day John and Patsy returned to Boulder. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of weird shit, isn't there where
Speaker 3: It's like they said that it was written on a
Speaker 3: notepad that came from the house, and it was also
Speaker 3: other pages had been torn out of us and it
Speaker 3: was like they got the impression like it wasn't the
Speaker 3: first draft of the ransom notes, and just like that
Speaker 3: seems weird, Yeah, because you'd see the inference on the
Speaker 3: paper and stuff too, So like just think about that
Speaker 3: for a second.
Speaker 4: Right, Let's say, mean you break in or whatever and
Speaker 4: we kill her and we're going to like stage just
Speaker 4: ransomthing and then we're gonna stand in the house like
Speaker 4: fucking Harry and matterv Oh yeah, I just watched that
Speaker 4: and write a fucking two and a half page ransom
Speaker 4: letter Like what was it again? They I did have
Speaker 4: it here somewhere, like the specifics of it, but they
Speaker 4: had like after looking at how many words and how
Speaker 4: long it was, it was a two and a half
Speaker 4: letter ransom note, and they reckoned it would have taken
Speaker 4: a certain amount of time. I can't remember exactly how
Speaker 4: long to have written the ransom note, which is like
Speaker 4: what you're going to stand in the house that you've
Speaker 4: committed the crime in and write the thing?
Speaker 3: It makes no sense and you would I like telling
Speaker 3: embarrassing stories about myself.
Speaker 4: It's it's come natural on the show just before just
Speaker 4: before you get into that, like just to finish my
Speaker 4: talk and I'll forget it. Yeah, it just seems really
Speaker 4: weird how someone who could be that dumb in the
Speaker 4: sense of like can't seem to spell properly have to
Speaker 4: like scribbles grammar and stuff like yeah, like terrible, and
Speaker 4: they're like adding words in above it and ship like
Speaker 4: that scribbling and yeah, and then they were reckon on
Speaker 4: top of that that that was like the second or
Speaker 4: third time that whoever done it tried to write it,
Speaker 4: and they've done it, and they done it in the
Speaker 4: house right, and just the whole like plan they have
Speaker 4: as well, it sounds like something a child would come
Speaker 4: up with. And then you're telling me though that the
Speaker 4: same people or person that's done that has been clever
Speaker 4: enough to not have gotten caught for the last what
Speaker 4: hard years. I know.
Speaker 3: Even this photo is really weird. How old was the brother?
Speaker 3: So this is other just around the time that she
Speaker 3: was murdered, So I'm figuring I think he was like
Speaker 3: eight or something like that.
Speaker 4: That's just my guess.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like I was just laughing at like the
Speaker 3: idea of like the imprint, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: the imprint on like a book or whatever. When I
Speaker 3: was young, I was I was like I'll continue. I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know eight and I wrote a
Speaker 3: letter to the Olsen Twins and it was imprinted in
Speaker 3: this Wolverine book that I had for literally years where
Speaker 3: I could kind of make out what I was writing,
Speaker 3: like literally when I was like a teenager. I found
Speaker 3: it and I was like, man, it's such a loser,
Speaker 3: so cringey.
Speaker 4: Man, it's so funny. Actually, if my grandmother found a
Speaker 4: recipe book thing she had and she found some like
Speaker 4: bullshit like that that I had written, and I literally
Speaker 4: she was like what Stace and I just took it
Speaker 4: off and I just tore it into him in pieces,
Speaker 4: like I can't even know the whole thing. I was like,
Speaker 4: just so embarrassing, you know.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I think when I
Speaker 3: was like eight, I was like in love with the
Speaker 3: Olsen Twins.
Speaker 4: Now just the not the last comment. A couple of
Speaker 4: counts back, someone asked about handwriting analysis. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so yeah, just to kind of I suppose clear that up.
Speaker 4: That was why Patsy was like a suspect for a
Speaker 4: lot of people. There was a lot of similarities between
Speaker 4: her handwriting actually and the note. But they say that
Speaker 4: the handwriting analysis was inconclusive. It was her pad and
Speaker 4: pen obviously, which suggests that it was written inside the house.
Speaker 4: The overly theatrical nature of the letter, with phrases like
Speaker 4: victory and small foreign faction, which seemed extremely melodramatic, which
Speaker 4: also kind of leans into supposedly how she would behave
Speaker 4: a lot. She kind of looks crazy, man, Yeah, she does.
Speaker 4: Kind of inconsistencies in time. People argue that the len
Speaker 4: and content of the letter were excessive for someone supposedly
Speaker 4: in the middle of a kidnapping or a murder. Why
Speaker 4: would a kidnapper take the time to write such a
Speaker 4: detailed two and a half page note inside the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense. Man, weird man,
Speaker 3: I like this whole thing is so strange. Yeah, almost ten,
Speaker 3: So almost ten. Burke was almost ten. That's his fun name. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the Worke was almost ten. That makes sense. He's
Speaker 3: a weird character. We'll get to him later.
Speaker 4: But yeah. Her handwriting was deemed similar but not a
Speaker 4: conclusive match, and John Ramsey and other family members were
Speaker 4: also put under hand right analysis and we're all ruled
Speaker 4: out as the authors. However, in the note appeared to
Speaker 4: have been written deliberately, with many corrections and inconsistent slants,
Speaker 4: suggesting that it was written to try and obscure the
Speaker 4: true author's style.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like they can like analyze that stuff too, right,
Speaker 3: it's correct. They can like look at this stuff and
Speaker 3: be like hah, like you know if I wrote with
Speaker 3: my left him, what would it look like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like there's a little weird or something
Speaker 4: that like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not I don't think of it as
Speaker 3: Burke because people questioned if Burke was the one that
Speaker 3: did it or did he do it? We'll get well,
Speaker 3: we'll get to all the theories at the end, but
Speaker 3: did he do it? And then Patsy wrote the letter
Speaker 3: because they were like I'll freak it out, like you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean? Yeah, like I mean then then
Speaker 4: also like the references from like Darty Harry and that
Speaker 4: movie Ransom, so like phrase if we catch you talking
Speaker 4: to a straight dog, she dies, that's like nearly mirroring
Speaker 4: lines from Darty Harry, And a lot of people feel
Speaker 4: like that was another thing that was like they took
Speaker 4: stuff from pop culture to try and like stay just
Speaker 4: aren't scene or whatever so weird.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the Ransom note comes out evidence the alibi
Speaker 3: for John Andrew, John Bennet's older half brother is examined.
Speaker 3: He and John Bonnay's half sister, Melinda, were out of
Speaker 3: town when the youngest siblings were killed and when they
Speaker 3: arrived in Colorado Shore that's hearing the news. The next month,
Speaker 3: police clear both suspects. We just talked about the handwritten analysis.
Speaker 3: So while the Colorado Colorado Bureau of Investigation had already
Speaker 3: conducted a DNA test, a second one was completed by
Speaker 3: Maryland's cell Mark Laboratories, according to Denver Post nearly six
Speaker 3: weeks later. Sources report that there's no surprises in the
Speaker 3: results of the DNA, but don't provide specifics because there
Speaker 3: was there was DNA found. I'm pretty sure inside of
Speaker 3: her vagina. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wow, Yeah it was that. Yeah, there was definitely
Speaker 4: some weird weird ship there, like the unidentified male DNA
Speaker 4: on her underwear. Yeah, the possibility of the stung gun
Speaker 4: have been used on her. Yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 4: And I think that actually when they've done the autopsy,
Speaker 4: there was like signs of like prior ongoing like sexual abuse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, and I'm like I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, which is also just like like are all these
Speaker 4: things just coincidental?
Speaker 3: But I like, then wouldn't that be the case if
Speaker 3: it if it was the parents or someone close to them,
Speaker 3: it's always a close family member, right Like.
Speaker 4: Now, it could be just right, it could be just
Speaker 4: really unlucky that the girl managed to get like killed
Speaker 4: or whatever by some random lunatic or outside source while
Speaker 4: she was in the process of being brought to beauty
Speaker 4: pageants and then fucked by her dad. Yeah, like it
Speaker 4: could be just really unfortunate and just had like you know,
Speaker 4: a series of a fortunate events, but like it does
Speaker 4: seem a bit coincidental.
Speaker 3: And Jim Carrey is not there cracking jokes, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah that they wouldn't fucking you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: that just your parents are exposing it to this stuff
Speaker 4: and then all this weird stuff comes out like the
Speaker 4: brothers a weird though, and like dad is like super
Speaker 4: connected and kind of weird, and the murther it just
Speaker 4: seems like, I don't know, there's something about the Muther
Speaker 4: that really sets me off from like il iron bells
Speaker 4: are like okay.
Speaker 3: So let's just I'll show let's s a clip of
Speaker 3: her in her pageantry stuff because just the kids we're
Speaker 3: bringing it up, it's very weird.
Speaker 7: Name and how.
Speaker 3: Old you are?
Speaker 15: My name is john name?
Speaker 8: And they have.
Speaker 16: Okay, okay, what is your favorite animal around?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know what's with the weird Asian music,
Speaker 3: but like, okay, think about this too, write what I will,
Speaker 3: Like I collaborate some of the videos of her being
Speaker 3: in your pathantry and stuff like that, And I was like,
Speaker 3: why is it this thing where she like takes off
Speaker 3: articles of clothing and then kind of like holds them
Speaker 3: up and then you know what I mean? Like that
Speaker 3: to me is very weird, Like why is that a thing?
Speaker 3: It's and and then then like the the the fucking
Speaker 3: caked on makeup and the earrings and trying to make
Speaker 3: children look like adults is very strange to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I I just don't know if I can, like,
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any argument that like you can
Speaker 4: make me be like oh yeah cool.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm sure we'll get to that. The body
Speaker 3: was wiped down, redressed.
Speaker 4: Does anyone know she went that the Christmas as she
Speaker 4: was wearing winter glows clothes? Arcessful the DNA, I mean like,
Speaker 4: but just the stuff like look, unidentified male DNA on
Speaker 4: her underwear. Now right, here's another thing. So a lot
Speaker 4: of people would would take that and go right, okay,
Speaker 4: So that obviously means that another man was involved in
Speaker 4: her murder, not necessarily, because that just may mean that
Speaker 4: her parents were basically pimping her out to neighbors or
Speaker 4: friends whatever, these creepy fucking parties god knows, men. You know,
Speaker 4: that doesn't necessarily mean again another Really, if I was
Speaker 4: going to be really clever and like murder my own
Speaker 4: child or do something, there's a lot of like things
Speaker 4: here that line up. So at my friends into the
Speaker 4: house to ruin the fucking yeah yeah, grime scene. There's
Speaker 4: I already know there's going to be signs of sexual
Speaker 4: assault on her and like other men's DNA that's not mine,
Speaker 4: So that's fine. I can let them find that, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. There's just like nobody seemed to
Speaker 4: did they ever really get asked any of these questions though,
Speaker 4: like what's the story? Like why should show signs of
Speaker 4: sexual abuse? Why is there a man's DNA in her underwear?
Speaker 4: Can can you explain it?
Speaker 3: That's even what It's funny because it's even what her
Speaker 3: own father said, right, and that clipped to put play
Speaker 3: at the beginning of like yeah, like it's the only
Speaker 3: thing that's like, there's DNA, but yet it was never
Speaker 3: solved through DNA, even though like they found the Golden
Speaker 3: I think that's who it is. Eventually would be interesting
Speaker 3: to talk about as the Golden State killer. They found
Speaker 3: his DNA. He had his DNA was on whatever certain victims,
Speaker 3: and they didn't find him till he was like in
Speaker 3: his eighties, I think because his daughter did ancestry dot
Speaker 3: com or something that his granddaughter did ancestry dot com
Speaker 3: some like crazy story like that, and they found him
Speaker 3: through that, which is so crazy. So and this is
Speaker 3: when around April nineteenninightty seven is the parents become suspects,
Speaker 3: prime suspects in the investigation cord to ci and obviously
Speaker 3: the focus is on these people. Ball Boulder District Attorney
Speaker 3: Alex Hunter says April thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven, So they
Speaker 3: questioned the parents. John Banay's parents are formally interviewed by
Speaker 3: the police for the first time since the daughter's murder.
Speaker 3: The Johns interview lasted two hours while Patsy's lasted six
Speaker 3: and a half. Their new statements replaced the initial ones
Speaker 3: they made right after the murder. Very strange, so crazy.
Speaker 3: I can't remember much about the case, this case. It
Speaker 3: has been a long time. Yeah, it's yeah. I appreciate
Speaker 3: anyone that does two NATS because we're covering, you know,
Speaker 3: stuff that I the Netflix thinking and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we should cover this. I've always wanted to do it,
Speaker 3: and I want to do it justice. We're a debating
Speaker 3: on doing two parts, but I was like, no, we
Speaker 3: can cover this in one part. I hate doing two parties.
Speaker 3: Aaron knows that I would. I'll be amped up for
Speaker 3: four hours. He seen, he saws it, he sees it.
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 3: We did Jimmy Saville and I was at the end,
Speaker 3: still amped up four and a half hours later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it all depends on the source material. Litink for me,
Speaker 4: like something like Jimmy Satellite in mine because we all
Speaker 4: dressed like Jimmy.
Speaker 3: If you guys have never seen the episode, it's wild.
Speaker 3: We literally dressed up like Jimmy's house. So bad, so
Speaker 3: poor taste, but it was fun. It's so crazy because
Speaker 3: as I did a billion we covered Richard Ramirez. I
Speaker 3: was like, it's you have to make We're laughing way
Speaker 3: more than we should be, but like it's it's because
Speaker 3: I have to make light of these dark situations. Like
Speaker 3: and I always take that quote from your old Irish granny,
Speaker 3: it's like, if you're not laughing, you're crying.
Speaker 4: Right. This is definitely one.
Speaker 3: Of the the the most significant cold cases, like most famous,
Speaker 3: I feel, right. So John and Patsy speak to the
Speaker 3: media nine in May. The second uh they sit on
Speaker 3: a sofa together and hold hands and you know, and they.
Speaker 4: Print up this poster. I think it's this image.
Speaker 3: Where they're like, you know, if that anyone knows about
Speaker 3: her daughter and her whereabouts. Honestly, it's sad. One hundred
Speaker 3: grand reward. It's sad, but like I don't know, most
Speaker 3: times in this case, if it's been this long.
Speaker 4: They're really well, were really like twisted the knife if
Speaker 4: they hadn't made a reward one hundred and eighteen dollars, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so fucked.
Speaker 3: So John and Patsy gave multiple high profile interviews in
Speaker 3: the year after the daughter's death. Very weird, the victim
Speaker 3: parents tooked to local news and pressed John stumbles over
Speaker 3: his body his daughter's name and addresses the rumors of
Speaker 3: her possibly being sexually molested, calling those most hurtful innuendos.
Speaker 3: Patsy says, I'm appalled that anyone would think that John
Speaker 3: or I would be involved as.
Speaker 4: Such a horrendous and hideous crime. But let me assure
Speaker 4: you I did not kill John bennet.
Speaker 8: Son.
Speaker 4: Know again, it sounds like a pre rehearse, like here's
Speaker 4: your speech, and she's even dressed like the first Lady
Speaker 4: or something. What's going on with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone just chirping me for that. Fuck up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for some reason, I can't read money or last names.
Speaker 3: We and Billy did an episode about Villains of History.
Speaker 3: It's now on Patreon. I was reading like dates wrong
Speaker 3: and shit, this is when we were drinking very heavily.
Speaker 3: I was like ten eighty two, Like we're just like
Speaker 3: I was like one thousand and eighty two. I was like,
Speaker 3: fucking it all up, and I'm like, this happens, man,
Speaker 3: We're free formed. So and then John Patsy and their
Speaker 3: son Burke returned to Atlanta for good, where with the
Speaker 3: former Beauty Queen's belongings in tow autopsy reports the previous
Speaker 3: sealed autopsy results are released the corner of the terms
Speaker 3: John bin A was strangled to death. Among other injuries,
Speaker 3: she suffered a eight point five inch skull fracture and
Speaker 3: showed signs of sexual assault. This included blood abrasions and
Speaker 3: bruising in the vaginal area. So fucked up man, and
Speaker 3: the addition to the deep ligature on on her neck,
Speaker 3: jovian A had on her right wrist. Records also indicate
Speaker 3: the girl had bruises and marks on her shoulders, legs
Speaker 3: and feet. Everybody, it's about to get disturbing, so sit tight.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that. That is that is coming. She
Speaker 3: became Katy Perry and do a side by side. We're
Speaker 3: gonna get to the crazy conspiracies at the end, don't
Speaker 3: you worry. So let's play this disturbing video so I can.
Speaker 4: Pee h.
Speaker 2: Child hu.
Speaker 15: Oh six years old?
Speaker 4: Si se phones and.
Speaker 3: Pretty name is something you read.
Speaker 15: Don't grow brave, John, don't get caught talking to a
Speaker 15: stray dog. Look about him around back.
Speaker 4: Have you only fad cat around?
Speaker 11: So don't think killing it will be difficult, John, because
Speaker 11: the American dream got bad.
Speaker 15: You've got murdering a small child.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely perfect. For today.
Speaker 15: Time and my special lie blankets.
Speaker 4: Have colored my mouth and.
Speaker 15: Dwell lay down in the lisel of my father's house.
Speaker 15: Silent spends a girl. These stories will become too.
Speaker 4: Heavy to a year. Your your face.
Speaker 15: Simple of him, then savable face even after years. Today
Speaker 15: they wasn't crossination.
Speaker 8: But it's a wonderful child.
Speaker 15: Such a tragedy. John could done everything right to save me.
Speaker 4: It's a shame.
Speaker 8: Let me.
Speaker 15: The world you call me pretty.
Speaker 7: The video of John Bennet's performances was aired and re
Speaker 7: aired on stations across the country.
Speaker 4: Nine uncollumanacks tied the Science Decide his friend it was so.
Speaker 11: I was a child by Queen.
Speaker 8: Child be nay. Event made me.
Speaker 15: Pretty six years old, SI seven falls made me.
Speaker 4: That that song was giving me chills. Man, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: was just gonna say, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 3: Somebody is obsessed with John in a Ramsey on YouTube
Speaker 3: and they have like a bunch of stuff like this. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's very creepy for all the ide listeners, Like it's
Speaker 3: we're just showing all the all the crime scene evidence
Speaker 3: and it's it's like disturbing, right.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 3: The thing tied around her neck is just fucked up
Speaker 3: to see that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeahs it like pretty grim, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people, you know we were this is somebody did
Speaker 3: this to a child, And this stuff happens a lot
Speaker 3: more often than people want to admit, and we just
Speaker 3: keep passing it by, you know, we just keep Oh
Speaker 3: you know, it's rough men, it's crazy too for people
Speaker 3: not to understand how uh yeah, this goes beyond just
Speaker 3: one child. This happens almost every day.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: The person that created the amber alert system was Gislaine
Speaker 3: Maxwell's sister. So if you start quite if you're if
Speaker 3: they actually did the they actually did, if you have
Speaker 3: your phone, actually, if that site actually worked, if if
Speaker 3: the amberlets actually worked, your phone would be going off
Speaker 3: every two minutes.
Speaker 4: That song is mad creepy though, dude, we ever made
Speaker 4: that song?
Speaker 13: Ye?
Speaker 14: Right?
Speaker 4: Actually? But yeah, umberger thing because if that is the case,
Speaker 4: then it should be going off every two seconds. Because
Speaker 4: last year alone, four one hundred and fifty six thousand
Speaker 4: kids went missing in the United States. So that's the
Speaker 4: reported ones. I know, if you were to do the
Speaker 4: mats on that right, yep, how many times would that
Speaker 4: have to go off? I know? All right, So it's uh,
Speaker 4: it's very disturbing.
Speaker 3: After a question uh several neighbors I am about owning
Speaker 3: a stun gun, A lawyer for the Ramsey's tell reports
Speaker 3: that the family isn't surprised and never had such weapon.
Speaker 3: We have known about the use of a stun gun
Speaker 3: in this murder for many months, Raquel Zimmer says, according
Speaker 3: to Los Angeles Times, at the request of law enforcement authorities,
Speaker 3: we have no previous We have not previously disclosed it.
Speaker 3: Police refuse to comment. The police refuse to comment.
Speaker 14: The thing.
Speaker 3: There's so many weird things of this whole case. Man
Speaker 3: h January fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight. The Ramseys refuse interview
Speaker 3: with authorities. Ramsees are asked to review evidence before giving
Speaker 3: more interviews to the police. The request is rejected, according
Speaker 3: to the Denver Post, which is interesting because it's like,
Speaker 3: when can you force them if they involved, especially in
Speaker 3: a murder. I get other things, but especially like a murder,
Speaker 3: right so. And then January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 3: John and Patsy submit their clothes they were wearing. They
Speaker 3: could have washed them a million times before this. The police,
Speaker 3: the police fuck ups on this shit.
Speaker 4: It's like wild.
Speaker 3: Two months after the police requested that the parents hand
Speaker 3: over the clothes they were wearing of the night of
Speaker 3: the crime. Ramsey's turn into turn in two shirts and
Speaker 3: a pair of pants and a sweater. Grand Jury investigation
Speaker 3: March tenth, nineteen ninety eight. DA Hunter considers a grand
Speaker 3: jury investigation with the police department's list of items to
Speaker 3: be accomplished narrowing. The accomplishment's narrowing. The issue of a
Speaker 3: grand jury is more serious topic and this is being
Speaker 3: giving serious considerations. Border District Attorney Alex Hunter tells the
Speaker 3: Denver Post a grand jury offers the option of subpoenaing
Speaker 3: subpoenaing the witnesses in a murder case that is now
Speaker 3: fifteen months old. June third, nineteen ninety eight, Evidence evidential
Speaker 3: investigation continues the case. Lead investigator Mark Beckner says that
Speaker 3: their significant results from the thousand the one thousand and
Speaker 3: fifty eight pieces of evidence taken from the home. Details
Speaker 3: aren't shared in nineteen. In June nineteen ninety eight, John
Speaker 3: Benet's brother, Burke is questioned. John Benet's older brother, Burke,
Speaker 3: who is nine at the time of the crime, is
Speaker 3: questioned for the first time in Atlanta he is now eleven.
Speaker 3: A retired FBI agent previously told The New York Times
Speaker 3: that the murder was too sophisticated for a child to commit.
Speaker 3: Additional prosecutors separately, separate. Jeez, christ Man, I can't talk
Speaker 3: rate it. They questioned him separately.
Speaker 4: John N. Patsy.
Speaker 3: So, I don't know why they would be questioning him
Speaker 3: together in the first place. If they did do that,
Speaker 3: I know, it's like, what's wrong with people? Really nice house,
Speaker 3: they obviously had money. People suck. My daughter was a
Speaker 3: couple of years old when it happened. At the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would have, Yeah, I would have. I wouldn't been
Speaker 3: able to look at that stuff or even pay attention
Speaker 3: in the case, especially if you had a daughter around
Speaker 3: the same age.
Speaker 4: It would be too disturbing.
Speaker 3: So and then in July nineteen ninety eight, documentary features
Speaker 3: interviews with John and Patsy. Avoiding the public comment for
Speaker 3: many months, John and Patsy participate in a documentary about
Speaker 3: their daughter's murder, The Case of John Bennet, The Media
Speaker 3: versus the Ramsey Airs in the United Kingdom and investigators.
Speaker 3: It's critical of the media's coverage of the case and
Speaker 3: later is broadcast in the States in September. In August sixth,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, Denver detective Steve Thomas resigns, calling this
Speaker 3: case crippled. And then in August nineteenth, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 3: White asked the DA to be dismissed. And that's I
Speaker 3: think their friend, the family friend Fleet White asked to
Speaker 3: have someone other than Hunter assigned to John Benet's case.
Speaker 3: So there is a detective that I find really weird.
Speaker 3: It's a female detective. I I guess that sex.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think that that sometimes females emotions can out rule logic.
Speaker 3: And that's just because they're very empathetic creatures to begin with,
Speaker 3: not creatures but things of this world, you know. But
Speaker 3: I I do think that is the case, right, And
Speaker 3: I stated this that you know, I'm not gonna go anything,
Speaker 3: but I EI there's I have questions about why what
Speaker 3: people should be be doing and stuff.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 3: I wish I could stick around. Yeah, it's it's all good, man,
Speaker 3: It's all good. Everybody joining the live. I appreciate you
Speaker 3: guys popping your heads and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 3: just want to play a clip of this. Let me
Speaker 3: bring that back up. Love the coffee cup, though, thanks
Speaker 3: and keeping me entertained.
Speaker 4: I don't know, is it.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it is or did he buy one
Speaker 3: from our site? Who knows you can buy merch stranger
Speaker 3: podcast dot com? Who knows if he's talking to his
Speaker 3: homie in the chat. But uh so, we'll play a
Speaker 3: clip if I had to just get a little bit
Speaker 3: of this. This was like one of the lead detectives.
Speaker 3: She's like, I think, just something's wrong with the John.
Speaker 3: I can feel it, Like I remember I saw her
Speaker 3: on the Netflix documentary and I was like, there's something
Speaker 3: crazy about this lady. Okay, just watch your mannerisms, watch
Speaker 3: your eyes. This lady is nuts.
Speaker 17: A nonverbal exchanged that I will never forget. And he
Speaker 17: asked if she was dead, and I said, yes, she's dead,
Speaker 17: and I told him to go back to the room,
Speaker 17: into the online one one And as we looked at
Speaker 17: each other, I remember and a war shoulder holster tucking
Speaker 17: my gun right next to me and consciously counting, I've
Speaker 17: got eighteen bullets.
Speaker 11: Why did you do that?
Speaker 17: Because I didn't know if we'd all be alive when
Speaker 17: people showed up. I'd said everything made sense in that instance, and.
Speaker 4: I knew what happened.
Speaker 7: Do you think your fear was well founded?
Speaker 1: You bet, I do.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt in my mind to this day.
Speaker 17: Never wavered you were afraid because you thought the killer
Speaker 17: was still in the house.
Speaker 4: I knew it, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 10: I Uh.
Speaker 3: She seems very suspect, like her eyes, like she seems
Speaker 3: like she's too involved in the case, and like and
Speaker 3: being very melodramatic of like.
Speaker 4: I remember counting the bullets in my gun. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't made you know, this just seems very weird,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she does section on drugs or something, but I know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, so like this one, I'm like, how can
Speaker 3: you be responsible for the way like her mouth? She's like,
Speaker 3: I know everyone's on drugs nowadays, so God knows right.
Speaker 3: So originally the Ramsey said that Burke was asleep the
Speaker 3: morning his sister was discovered missing and didn't wake up
Speaker 3: until police arrived.
Speaker 4: Whoever, the nine one one tape has.
Speaker 3: Been enhanced enhanced en Haands Brooke's voice is reportedly that
Speaker 3: day could hear him in the background. September fifteenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight, the grand jury begins their investigation. Stember twenty fourth,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. Another detective quits, setting too much folks
Speaker 3: on the Ramsey parents. Homicide Detective loose Smitt quits and
Speaker 3: says in his resignation letter, a very, a very dangerous
Speaker 3: killer is still out there. This gives the Ramseys fuel
Speaker 3: they need to convince the authorities to shift the focus
Speaker 3: of the investigation. October thirteenth, nineteen ninety eight, the grand
Speaker 3: jury focuses on They begin like hearing the forensic evidence.
Speaker 3: December third, nineteen ninety eight. More family DNA is collected.
Speaker 3: January twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine. A teddy bear takes
Speaker 3: center stage. Investigators appeal to the online community try to
Speaker 3: find the information about the Santa Claus teddy bear that
Speaker 3: portably was found in John Beney's bedroom. They hope to
Speaker 3: find maybe the manufacturer who sold it. That's such a
Speaker 3: strange thing, But you.
Speaker 4: Know, is is that misdirection though, being like, yeah, let's
Speaker 4: focus on this bullshit that doesn't mean any Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's some Oh man, this whole thing is so right.
Speaker 4: Let met us just to recap for a second before
Speaker 4: we go any further in the story. So they go
Speaker 4: home from this party, this Christmas party, Yeah, and everybody
Speaker 4: goes to bed, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the idea of what they claim.
Speaker 4: Okay, so at some point then, if if we're going
Speaker 4: by like their version or like the official whatever, at
Speaker 4: some point in the night, then somebody gets into the
Speaker 4: house yeah is that right, and takes her from her room,
Speaker 4: murders her and sexually assault her and puts her down
Speaker 4: in the basement. That's yeah, that's where they then comes
Speaker 4: back up into the kitchen two and a half day's
Speaker 4: letter and then leaves without leaving any other evidence. Right,
Speaker 4: and then they wake up and go, oh my god,
Speaker 4: a letter. Cal whoa, it's me the mother, and do
Speaker 4: all that ship the police come and then after all that,
Speaker 4: the dad is like, oh look, wow, I found her
Speaker 4: dead body. Weird, yeah, out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: He like goes to check the basement. Like all this
Speaker 3: stuff is so suspect.
Speaker 4: Man, just very weird. Like it's a very weird, and
Speaker 4: like they must have been really really good to be
Speaker 4: able to get into that house and kill her in
Speaker 4: there without anybody waking up. For like here right a
Speaker 4: half there was a funny there.
Speaker 3: There was a funny old lady on the Netflix dock
Speaker 3: where they showed this clip and it's like and she's like,
Speaker 3: look at her thrust playing the saxophone, and she's like
Speaker 3: just like dancing, and it doesn't seem like there's any
Speaker 3: sexual Did you watch the Netflix one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, it didn't seem like.
Speaker 3: I thought that old lady was reaching a bit though,
Speaker 3: Like with some of the stuff, I'm like, yeah, that
Speaker 3: like you see wholesome to me whatever. I don't think
Speaker 3: they need to doll them up, but like you heard
Speaker 3: just playing a saxophone and you know, an address. This
Speaker 3: stuff like this is what makes me be like, all right,
Speaker 3: you're making a prime season for predators on your daughter,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's just yeah, it's just it's just a step too
Speaker 4: far for me. I just can't imagine myself being like, yes, this.
Speaker 3: Is a really good idea, especially amount of people that
Speaker 3: were bringing from countries that have child brides. Man. People
Speaker 3: need to be very hold your kids close, man, because
Speaker 3: the type of people that were bringing into the Western
Speaker 3: world are literally will do horrible things.
Speaker 4: To these children and then chop our heads off in
Speaker 4: the process, and.
Speaker 3: Then cost racist while they do it.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Ireland or England. Sorry, or Canada sorry.
Speaker 3: Or Sweden or fucking Netherlands or fuck everywhere literally, so
Speaker 3: they start to with like they get the Tayporar trial.
Speaker 3: Yet another detective resigns. Linda Arnett, I think it might
Speaker 3: be that crazy lady because of all the criticism over
Speaker 3: the initial investigation, because like I presume, she probably was
Speaker 3: being a little too emotional.
Speaker 4: Burke is no longer the suspect.
Speaker 3: In May nineteen ninety nine, now twelve years old, Burke
Speaker 3: is secretly questioned by a grand jury and has officially
Speaker 3: declared a witness only not a suspect. September thirteenth, Detective
Speaker 3: Arnett says he says, Oh, he knows who killed John Bannet.
Speaker 4: Like his name is Linda. That's weird. I feel bad
Speaker 4: for you, sir.
Speaker 3: If you've two people have the same name is very strange. Uh.
Speaker 3: Interview on Good Morning America, Linda Arnett or Arnett says
Speaker 3: he knows who kills John Beney. September thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: John Maine's half siblings testified, John and Andrew Melinda, who
Speaker 3: were cleared in March nineteen ninety seven, testify in front
Speaker 3: of a grand jury and then on October thirteenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety nine, the district attorney.
Speaker 4: Says that there is no significant evidence.
Speaker 3: Ex Hunter says there's even a significant evidence to charge
Speaker 3: anyone in this case. With that the grand jury investigation
Speaker 3: is over. The mom does have crazy eyes. Everyone starting
Speaker 3: to notice that in the chat.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you she is psychotic, whether she's guilty or
Speaker 4: notough you also have to think internet wasn't re anything
Speaker 4: back then. It's hard to make an opinion. You couldn't
Speaker 4: just go and search for interview.
Speaker 3: With the internet being and I think you could like
Speaker 3: to go. That's what's interesting right like now a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff I could point to a lot of things
Speaker 3: that you're like able to look up, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: stuff like why did World War one and two happen?
Speaker 3: You know, just things I'm really fascinated by right now,
Speaker 3: I'm watching too many things about it is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: now we have the advent to be able to look
Speaker 3: at these things.
Speaker 4: And and sc scrupulously is that the word?
Speaker 3: I want to scrupulously look at them and like look
Speaker 3: at markers and identifications of why things happened. I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's so so strange and it's just so crazy because
Speaker 3: like I'm like a believer in the afterlife and and
Speaker 3: what's going on, Like I don't know, I couldn't imagine
Speaker 3: what where her soul is?
Speaker 4: What happened? Is she being consumed by reptilians?
Speaker 3: I'm kidding, Like that's very dark, but like it's just
Speaker 3: very sad for this to happen to such a young girl.
Speaker 4: And then like where does your soul go?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 3: When you're like, you know what I mean, Like it's
Speaker 3: such a crazy like it's so and so of these
Speaker 3: this happens so often, but this is such an infamous,
Speaker 3: infamous case where like it seems like everybody knows her face,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, the name, the name is
Speaker 3: so big, uh, you know, just this young, very innocent, blonde,
Speaker 3: blue eyed, white girl, you know. And that's why people
Speaker 3: like they all complain about like you know, it's there's
Speaker 3: only we're focusing on the white girl.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 3: But this was like a weird case to begin with, Right,
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that do go missing under
Speaker 3: the radar. A lot of Indigenous women go missing in Canada.
Speaker 3: Nobody seems to care. Nobody cares a lot about all
Speaker 3: the children that go missing. It's just certain like this.
Speaker 4: Here's something really bizarre and weird that I just found.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the parents have time military and stuff and
Speaker 3: Rockey Martin.
Speaker 4: Check this out. I don't know if you've ever seen this. Okay, oh,
Speaker 4: isn't wasn't Patsy A found Patsy? Yes, yes, And that
Speaker 4: was starting to make a little bit more sense. My
Speaker 4: mom puts a board game at a trip store back
Speaker 4: in the mid nineteen nineties. Years later we read as
Speaker 4: Patsy Ramsey was in it, so she kept it all
Speaker 4: these years. Just found out I was going to show
Speaker 4: some stuff in the basement, so she was in the
Speaker 4: Miss America board game. I wow, that's so crazy.
Speaker 3: I forgot that because I have that down that Patsy
Speaker 3: was also a beauty queen. So then the influencing their daughter,
Speaker 3: and like, okay, that's very weird. And listen, this is
Speaker 3: why people like conspiracy theorists, like especially like like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a full blown tinfoil hat, Like I wear
Speaker 3: a suit of tinfoil, you.
Speaker 7: Know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So, like it is this weird thing of is this
Speaker 3: some sort of like weird ritual that took place? God
Speaker 3: knows I'm not gonna point that kind of speculation in
Speaker 3: that kind of conspiracy theory aspect to it, but it
Speaker 3: is very weird of all of this stuff. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: look at that, we're looking at the ransom note. Very similar, man,
Speaker 3: it's almost identical. Wow, that's crazy, man, And I forgot that.
Speaker 3: She was also like to me, I'm trying to be
Speaker 3: Devil's advocate of like okay, like you were a beauty
Speaker 3: queen and now you're trying to live out your years
Speaker 3: and and live vicariously through your daughter, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, how point they're not like very similar?
Speaker 3: How is that not a cool like a case for like, okay,
Speaker 3: that's you know what I mean? How is that not
Speaker 3: a people on that.
Speaker 4: John ban A, Ramsey Sabretta seemed to feel that it
Speaker 4: would have been charged with martyr if they were poor
Speaker 4: or like middle class whatever, because they had money. A
Speaker 4: lot of people reckoned that they didn't like, which you
Speaker 4: could say is the thing. Because what happened with Madeline
Speaker 4: mccannon her parents to like pretty well respected doctors, and.
Speaker 3: There are some conspiracy theories about that stuff, man, and
Speaker 3: I saw Mike some really weird stuff.
Speaker 4: It is because they had money and he was connected to.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe some military contracts with people from Israel.
Speaker 4: You know, there's there is some shit like that.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 3: When you started looking at the real deep conspiracies, they
Speaker 3: had money and they had connections.
Speaker 4: It's very true. Hell Bunny.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So then and then you have this where
Speaker 3: oh yeah, they're gonna publish a book. The Ramsey publish
Speaker 3: a book. John and Patsy released The Death of Innocence,
Speaker 3: about their daughter's murder, along with a publicity campaign to
Speaker 3: promote their book. Imagine how much money they made off
Speaker 3: of the book.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: And then May twenty fourth, two thousand, John and Patsy
Speaker 3: Old press conference. During a news conference, John Bennet's parents
Speaker 3: announce a lie detector test confirmed they are innocent of
Speaker 3: their daughter's death. We shouldn't have to prove our innocence,
Speaker 3: but nevertheless we have been forced to, John says. According
Speaker 3: to Los Angeles Times, we have not one ounce of
Speaker 3: trust into the Boulder police. However, because they test, the
Speaker 3: test wasn't runned, wasn't run by the FBI, the results
Speaker 3: aren't accepted by the investigator. They got somebody else that
Speaker 3: John knew most likely to run the DNA, the lie
Speaker 3: detect tests, which aren't admissible in court because you cannot
Speaker 3: use them. They're fucking fraudulent. Even if people think they're not,
Speaker 3: They're not correct in any way. You could trick them.
Speaker 3: You could just be nervous even doing it. Uh, and
Speaker 3: then it will fuck it up. Cops would be much
Speaker 3: more cautious about throwing accusations at people with money. Yeah,
Speaker 3: lawsuits and all that stuff. And not to mention, I
Speaker 3: don't know, did you have connections to people that are
Speaker 3: higher up than we understand, you know, the connections to
Speaker 3: nine to eleven.
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, maybe you could eventually do a conspiracy theory episode
Speaker 3: about that at some point, because there's more than people understand.
Speaker 4: If I actually dig for it, I'll find it. And uh,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's just so many questions and so many weird things
Speaker 3: about this case where I'm like, were they paying off
Speaker 3: the police?
Speaker 4: There's like that thing I said that someone had said there.
Speaker 4: You know, if the Ramsay's reported, it would have been
Speaker 4: charged with martyr and the fact that they were well
Speaker 4: off meant that they got away. It would have It
Speaker 4: seems blittant obvious to me after all these years of
Speaker 4: research and that awful ransom note. It clearly seems like
Speaker 4: Patsy who wrote it. It rambles like her, and the
Speaker 4: right nearly matches one hundred percent. In an interview, she
Speaker 4: caught herself out by saying only two people know who
Speaker 4: did this, and then when asked what she meant, she
Speaker 4: backpedaled by saying the person who did it, and then
Speaker 4: they obviously confide it in one person, because that's what
Speaker 4: you would do. The Boulder DA's office was essentially like
Speaker 4: the Ramseys backup defense attorney team Alex hundred did some
Speaker 4: crazy shit to aid the Ramses, forked over everything to
Speaker 4: the defense team at weekly meetings, hired Lieutenant Smith to
Speaker 4: explore idi Theeries obstructed the police, and FBI overruled the
Speaker 4: grand jury indictment. They would never do that for a
Speaker 4: poor person of no influence CEO of a billion dollar company.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's making tons of money. I see some people
Speaker 3: think polygraphs are junk science. And then there is like
Speaker 3: my MythBusters who owns MythBusters? Man, I whish I had my.
Speaker 4: Little my little button.
Speaker 8: They don't like juice, so.
Speaker 4: It was gonna be like super offected by that. But
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just like to start paying attention to stuff and
Speaker 3: you'll like find out why this stuff is going on.
Speaker 3: March two thousand and one, the Ramsey filed a libel
Speaker 3: lawsuit against the former detective, upset by a November two
Speaker 3: thousand book that points the finger at them.
Speaker 4: Patsy and John sue it's authors.
Speaker 3: Then June twenty fourth, two thousand and six, Patsy dies
Speaker 3: of cancer. You know, it was that Jesus could be
Speaker 3: a MythBusters put out propaganda. Maybe I was actually like
Speaker 3: watching MythBusters.
Speaker 4: Adam Sorry, which has a pretty good YouTube channel called Tested.
Speaker 3: I did like a lot of other stuff. It was
Speaker 3: when they started leaving in that Asian guy in that
Speaker 3: blonde when I think she's kind of blonded lady. That
Speaker 3: was like, I was like, Nah, this is kind of boring, man.
Speaker 3: I kind of like those two doing their thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and realistic of me. And you could make a show
Speaker 3: like that and just like test things and have money
Speaker 3: to do it. I would love to do that. Here,
Speaker 3: let me blow this thing up with this V two rocket.
Speaker 4: I'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Our first episode, right, I already have it in mind.
Speaker 3: Did Hitler fake his death was like test it out.
Speaker 3: I'll dress up in a mustache and we'll blow me up.
Speaker 3: We'll put like a what's that guy that the guy
Speaker 3: that used to the body double guy they would use,
Speaker 3: you know, put him in a bunker with some grenades
Speaker 3: and there, blow it up. See what happens. You know,
Speaker 3: See if you could sneak out of there, build.
Speaker 4: Them on the ground tunnels, you know, there's a there's
Speaker 4: just like the more I'm like reading about this theme again,
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember that thing. Oh I
Speaker 4: remember this thing. I know. And it's like the amount
Speaker 4: of people as well out there. I didn't read as
Speaker 4: who think that like their money was a big factor
Speaker 4: in all this as well. Somebody else says their money
Speaker 4: definitely gave them the ability to avoid talking to the
Speaker 4: cops before they got their ducks in a row, and
Speaker 4: their money has allowed them to control the narrative of
Speaker 4: the case even to this day. The Boulders the Boulder
Speaker 4: Police is incompetent handling of the crime scene, failing to
Speaker 4: secure the scene from the moment one and failing to
Speaker 4: separate and question the family led to this case becoming unprosecutable.
Speaker 4: Even before they found the body. The police deference to them,
Speaker 4: undoubtedly partially because of their resources, sunk this case before
Speaker 4: it was ever really launched.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even looking at the basement view, you know, like
Speaker 3: there's a broken window, the guy like, uh, there is
Speaker 3: a detective that says that it's possible that you could
Speaker 3: have broke in, uh to the in and crawled down
Speaker 3: stuff like that and got in and got out.
Speaker 4: Going into the theories, there.
Speaker 3: Is that really creepy pedophile that admitted to doing it,
Speaker 3: but I don't believe him.
Speaker 4: Wasn't there also a broken basement window? Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 4: the like, oh no, it's probably not anything to do.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The cops seems suspect, like were they were they were
Speaker 3: they taking me? I don't know, man, they were you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Were they taking money? You two
Speaker 3: would be perfect for a show to be like Weird
Speaker 3: Jersey pa et cetera.
Speaker 4: I would watch.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would love to film some stuff that
Speaker 3: we've talked about doing docs and stuff like that. Aaron
Speaker 3: just lives on the other side of the fucking world,
Speaker 3: so we have to Oh, the window was broken from
Speaker 3: the inside.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I want to go hunt crypt is something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna We're gonna Me and Aaron are gonna
Speaker 3: film each other, and I'm gonna take a bunch of mushrooms.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make him take a bunch of mushrooms. Uh,
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna go look in the woods for
Speaker 3: cryptids and we'll probably just be lost in ramble on
Speaker 3: about nonsense.
Speaker 4: That's weird. I didn't know that as well. They retained
Speaker 4: the number one criminal defense firm in Colorado with political
Speaker 4: connections all the way up to the top, with conflicting
Speaker 4: interests in Boulder, d office hire the top notch PR
Speaker 4: team to start controlling the narrative about spreading any negative narratives,
Speaker 4: refuse to talk with law enforcement, and instead used the
Speaker 4: PR team to set up on air TV interviews where
Speaker 4: no questions were asked on only scripted statements read in
Speaker 4: that interview. If you haven't seen it, when John went
Speaker 4: on that little we were told to look at the
Speaker 4: family first. And it's just a sad thing for this
Speaker 4: country that has to change. Such a weird thing to
Speaker 4: say at that time. He is going to be figured
Speaker 4: out eventually for the killer he is.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, And is he that manipulative where he's able
Speaker 3: to construct these stories and were they involved with some
Speaker 3: sort of like I don't know, ritual murder and he
Speaker 3: was able to get away with it. And he's very
Speaker 3: collected and collected in the way he speaks and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, where you see this with like serial killers too, right,
Speaker 3: where they're like they know everything they're gonna say when
Speaker 3: they say it, they're calculated in a way that most
Speaker 3: people wouldn't realize.
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's some there's some weird.
Speaker 3: Who at the that that's that looks like one hundred.
Speaker 3: The letter does look like there's the garate wire that
Speaker 3: was choke choked to death or so, but the letter
Speaker 3: looks like somebody who was like trying to make it
Speaker 3: look like like somebody else wrote it.
Speaker 4: Mm hm, you know what I mean. Yeah, there was
Speaker 4: a there was some investigator and I think that was
Speaker 4: involved in it. On the fucking name an am On
Speaker 4: read at a while back and he said that the
Speaker 4: weirdest thing was anytime they weren't on camera, they were
Speaker 4: like extremely distant from each other.
Speaker 3: I could see that they got beds across the room
Speaker 3: from each other.
Speaker 4: So weird, and it just reminds me so much like
Speaker 4: of of the later case of Madam McCann, like where
Speaker 4: Jerry and Kate McCann just to fucking oddball, like I
Speaker 4: had friends in high places, like we're friends with the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister of England at the time, and all this
Speaker 4: similar stuff like again where it's like they didn't have
Speaker 4: to give interviews and all this stuff was all done
Speaker 4: thrue like PR teams.
Speaker 3: And what makes me question it though, because I do
Speaker 3: think there's like ritualistic murder and stuff that's going on
Speaker 3: behind the scenes and higher ups and gaining power and
Speaker 3: leverage over a population. Yeah, the the whack job who
Speaker 3: falsely confessed to killing her with some sort of kind
Speaker 3: of teacher teaching little Asian kids. Well, yeah, that's that.
Speaker 3: That pedophile guy. We'll get to That's this guy. We'll
Speaker 3: get to him near the end. I think I have
Speaker 3: an image of that weirdo somewhere. Yeah, it's it's and
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's some things do I swear, dude,
Speaker 3: And there's the house it is, Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: This whole thing is so strange to me. I swear
Speaker 3: to God an image of that guy, but you know,
Speaker 3: and then Joe Patsy dies of cancer. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 3: American teacher is arrested in Bangkok, was capital of Thailand.
Speaker 3: Bank follows on to the investigation. I love John Bennet,
Speaker 3: John Mark Kern said at the press conference after his arrest.
Speaker 3: According to The Guardian, I was there when she died.
Speaker 3: She died accidentally, and this fucking maniac dude, like, let
Speaker 3: me finish this. The forty one year old is phone
Speaker 3: back to Colorado face charges that never materialize. Aspects of
Speaker 3: the confession don't add up, including the suspects of DNA
Speaker 3: isn't a match. On August twenty eighth, Boulder District Attorney
Speaker 3: Mary Lacey moves to dismiss the case, writing we would
Speaker 3: not be able to establish that mister carn Carr committed
Speaker 3: these crimes, despite his repeated insistence that he did. Accordy
Speaker 3: Los Angeles times. I think he was obsessed with her,
Speaker 3: But some of the shit that dude said is like
Speaker 3: fucking creepy, like he was. He's like, you know, he's
Speaker 3: like we had this mutual relationship and he's talking about
Speaker 3: her like they were like. I think he was fascinated
Speaker 3: by the case. I think he was probably in love
Speaker 3: with the image of her.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then he made up this grandiose story about it,
Speaker 3: and it's like so bizarre to me and so weird
Speaker 3: because he was like saying, how like they were in
Speaker 3: a relationship and he was consensual and he said, like,
Speaker 3: you know, like you just let me tie you up
Speaker 3: a little bit and we'll do some choke play stuff
Speaker 3: like like fucked up stuff like that. And then he's
Speaker 3: like it was just an accident, and I sobbed over
Speaker 3: her body, like did you hear him speak on that doc?
Speaker 3: Like it's fucked up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: Mhm, And that's what the Pizzagate thing. They pimped her out.
Speaker 3: We'll get to the theories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was also something that I was open to
Speaker 4: the like could have been the thing, and some background
Speaker 4: as well, just going like super deep into like the
Speaker 4: case or whatever. And some people mightn't care about any
Speaker 4: of this, but so Nedra, who was Patsy's mother, supposedly
Speaker 4: had like an extremely explosive temper. Her father apparently adored Patsy,
Speaker 4: but had issues with Patsy's sister. I remember when Patsy
Speaker 4: was diagnosed with cancer, her dad asked her sister, why
Speaker 4: couldn't it be you instead of Patsy? The family was
Speaker 4: described as extremely mean and cold. Then switching over to John,
Speaker 4: his dad was a military man and was said to
Speaker 4: be extremely cold, just like John grew up to be.
Speaker 4: John had an affair and was divorced from his first wife.
Speaker 4: He had had an affair with the secretary. There doesn't
Speaker 4: seem to any direct red flags with either of them,
Speaker 4: but they Patsy clearly came from a very structured, disciplined household,
Speaker 4: just like John. It was a very weird dynamic in
Speaker 4: both their upbrings, and it seems that they both suffered
Speaker 4: from extremely cold parenting tactics. I think that Patsy eventually
Speaker 4: ended up marri being her father in not only that
Speaker 4: John was much older than her, but he was also
Speaker 4: very controlling and was used to his word being the
Speaker 4: final say.
Speaker 3: It is interesting when you look at that stuff because
Speaker 3: there's a lot of weird things to do with military
Speaker 3: people and people that are connected to like the CIA
Speaker 3: and stuff that are even in Hollywood.
Speaker 4: You know, we'll get to it.
Speaker 3: I would like to talk about this with an episode
Speaker 3: that where we're going to do a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: but it will probably in the new year. Is the
Speaker 3: whole Satan and Hollywood stuff because like Dave Garral's parents
Speaker 3: were involved like the military. Jack Black's parents were involved
Speaker 3: in the government, uh stuff to do with rockets and
Speaker 3: like also involved with people with the tiny little hats
Speaker 3: stuff like that. It's this very strange once you start
Speaker 3: to look at this stuff. And Kirk Obain hated Dave
Speaker 3: Brell near the end of the band.
Speaker 4: So here's also something really interesting that maybe a lot
Speaker 4: of people don't know about this case. So John, because
Speaker 4: I pulled these notes into like when I found these things.
Speaker 4: So John cheated on his first wife, right with a
Speaker 4: woman who worked for him as a secretary. Then when
Speaker 4: he got caught, he blamed her for the affair and
Speaker 4: said that she was a psycho and an extremely aggressive woman.
Speaker 4: Then in another version that he gave, he says he
Speaker 4: broke up with his mistress when he met Patsy. That's
Speaker 4: how it all ended.
Speaker 10: So weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there's actually interviews with him where at
Speaker 4: one point he tried to throw his ex mistress under
Speaker 4: the bus as a suspect in John Benet's murder, saying
Speaker 4: that she was a scorned ex lover.
Speaker 3: As fucked up man. That's so crazy, and like there's
Speaker 3: so many things to this. That's why I want to
Speaker 3: get to the theories. If you want to start bringing
Speaker 3: out the articles that I sent you, we can go
Speaker 3: tit for tat on. There's the one from the Cosmopolitan,
Speaker 3: but I want to just leave some of that till
Speaker 3: after because some of those are the same theories.
Speaker 4: We'll cover some of the ones that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh a Polton's pretty interesting. Souse have some weird
Speaker 3: theories on this one Cosmopolitan dot com. Uh, I think
Speaker 3: we should go with that one. Then I'm gonna scroll
Speaker 3: through the other one to find weirder ones. So we'll
Speaker 3: we'll talk about first bring up the Ranker article about
Speaker 3: her brother murdered her.
Speaker 4: Like that stuff's weird, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Me and River Phoenix A David no that Kurt kirk
Speaker 3: Obain did not like Dave Garral And there's one incidence
Speaker 3: where kirk Obain. I will eventually cover this stuff. I'm
Speaker 3: actually really excited to dive into kirk Obain. At some
Speaker 3: point kirk Obain was like, you know, David Garol is
Speaker 3: taking about like you know, it's all about the money.
Speaker 3: And then Kurt was like or not it like stared
Speaker 3: over at Dave, like, what the fuck man? Uh so
Speaker 3: maybe he was the brother?
Speaker 4: Who knows?
Speaker 3: They claim it was jealousy. People think the motivation was
Speaker 3: jealousy because his sister was getting more attention the conspiracy.
Speaker 3: They also placed the murder cover up blame on the
Speaker 3: parents because they were scared they would lose both of
Speaker 3: their children. This theory remains popular despite the exoneration of
Speaker 3: DNA in two thousand and eight. And then obviously Burke
Speaker 3: breaks the silence, does the Doctor Phil interview and we
Speaker 3: will play that.
Speaker 14: Now, are you aware of these different theories that are
Speaker 14: out there? Theories that you killed your sister, theories that
Speaker 14: your mother killed John Maine, and theories that an intruder
Speaker 14: killed Jomine. Those seem to be the three camps that
Speaker 14: people talk about.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I know that we are suspects. I
Speaker 10: didn't know they were camps, I guess.
Speaker 14: And these are people that post online. The shorthand is
Speaker 14: rd I Ramsey did it? The intruder did it? Or
Speaker 14: bd I Bert did it? Do you know the theories
Speaker 14: that they set forth in saying that your mom killed
Speaker 14: John Benney.
Speaker 10: I don't know the details, but I know the ransom note.
Speaker 10: They've been the handwriting match.
Speaker 14: Have you seen it? Have you read it?
Speaker 10: I don't think I've read the whole thing. I've definitely
Speaker 10: seen pictures of it, though.
Speaker 14: Did the handwriting look familiar to you at all? Had
Speaker 14: you seen it ever before?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 10: I feel like they'll listen carefully. Is very distinct, and
Speaker 10: I've never really seen that. I don't know, I've never
Speaker 10: really looked at it closely because I'll see it and
Speaker 10: kind of get taken aback, and it's not something I
Speaker 10: really want to look at like a lot, you know, right?
Speaker 14: Does that look like her handwriting?
Speaker 10: Honestly?
Speaker 9: Looking at that?
Speaker 10: She would always bug me about having good handwriting, and
Speaker 10: she would make me rewrite stuff to try to get
Speaker 10: me to have good handwriting. And I think it's too sloppy.
Speaker 4: He's deflecting. Weird dude.
Speaker 3: His mannerism is everything he knows. I'm convinced he knows
Speaker 3: who did it.
Speaker 4: He also looks like some weird AI version of Elijah Wood.
Speaker 3: That is true. That is finne so crazy. So let's
Speaker 3: get to the theories finally. Obviously her the brother. Obviously,
Speaker 3: there's the sex offender murdered her sex offender and homeless
Speaker 3: drifter Gary Howard Olivia Olivia Rose it's supposed to be
Speaker 3: with suspecting the Jomina Ramsey murder, lived a couple of
Speaker 3: blocks away from the Ramseys at the time of the murder.
Speaker 3: He had a history of sexual abusing sexually abusing children.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and while rested on a drug charge,
Speaker 3: police found photos of John Bennet and a stun gun
Speaker 3: in his back backpack. It says back back, but I
Speaker 3: think that's backpack. He later then told the Denver Post
Speaker 3: that he murdered that her murder touched him very deeply
Speaker 3: and he had felt the need to build a shrine
Speaker 3: to remember her. In two thousand and two, Olivia was
Speaker 3: the John Gary Howard Olivia Rose whatever he features on
Speaker 3: forty eight hour Investigate investigates. The show alleges after the
Speaker 3: murder that he told a friend that he was in
Speaker 3: Bolder and had done something horrible to a child. He
Speaker 3: also had a poem at the time that he said
Speaker 3: it was called Odi to John Bennet. On January eleven,
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, reporters broke when investigations received. Investigators received a
Speaker 3: series of letters that he wrote to a friend and
Speaker 3: form a high school class made Michael vil Vail, I acknowledge,
Speaker 3: acknowledging he had murder John Benet, but claiming it was
Speaker 3: done accidentally. I never loved anyone like I did John,
Speaker 3: and yet I let her slip and her head bashed
Speaker 3: in half, and I watched her die. It wasn't accidents.
Speaker 3: Please accident, Please believe me.
Speaker 4: She did not. She did not. She was not like
Speaker 4: the other kids. I don't know.
Speaker 3: The investigation is still all going as it says, really weird. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the brother did it, but I do think
Speaker 3: she was being sexually assaulted. Uh maybe so fuck, I
Speaker 3: have no idea. Do you want to get into the
Speaker 3: next one. Yes, the dad's jealous of employer, so.
Speaker 4: Her dad's jealous employee killed her. This conspiracy theory is
Speaker 4: also motivated by jealousy, but jealousy of a different nature.
Speaker 4: The nature of money. The ransom note found the crime
Speaker 4: scene asked for one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, which
Speaker 4: is the exact amount of money Ramsey received as a
Speaker 4: Christmas bonus that year. Most kidnapper requests, most kidnappers request
Speaker 4: a less precise price and typically round up to a
Speaker 4: more general number, like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: adding further support for this theory. It's very weird, you know.
Speaker 4: Did John and Patsy kill her? Aka? The parents were
Speaker 4: the killers.
Speaker 3: Theories range from bed wedding incident sent them in a
Speaker 3: serious state of rage, which would be very weird, but
Speaker 3: like at their strict background, maybe ultimately ending in John
Speaker 3: Boney's death, to placing blame solely on her mother because
Speaker 3: she was obviously very.
Speaker 4: She was very.
Speaker 3: And visus and versus of her daughter's beauty.
Speaker 4: Envious. Jesus, what the fuck can I read?
Speaker 3: Sometimes I was round my brain where I said two beers,
Speaker 3: But that's an excuse. She was envious of her daughter's beauty,
Speaker 3: so envious that she decided to kill her mini me
Speaker 3: and recruiter John to help her cover it up. Some
Speaker 3: theories think, so, why's the local trouble maker so weird?
Speaker 4: Michael hell Goot, a local Boulder bad boy, is a
Speaker 4: prominent suspect for the Young Beauty Queen's death. A former
Speaker 4: employee of hell God said that he told him a
Speaker 4: month before John Benay's murder that him and a partner
Speaker 4: had a big deal coming up where they would make
Speaker 4: about sixty thousand dollars each. Al Good also told him
Speaker 4: that he wondered what it would be like the crushy
Speaker 4: human skull. Quite an odd and disturbing thing to say
Speaker 4: in general, but it's extra suspicious scene as Ramsey was
Speaker 4: found with a cracked skull. After the local district attorney
Speaker 4: announced the list of John Benet's murder suspects had narrowed,
Speaker 4: hell God died two days later of an apparent suicide
Speaker 4: in January nineteen ninety seven. Twenty four hours. Investigation ruled
Speaker 4: out that hell Got's DNA was present at the scene
Speaker 4: of the crime.
Speaker 5: That scary stuff.
Speaker 4: Very weird, man. Man, it's strange to begin with.
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, sorry, I just picked random samba and
Speaker 3: just it was not fitting. We all read the maybe
Speaker 3: there's an intruder that you know killed John Benet Ramsey,
Speaker 3: some random intruder. I actually gonna skip over that one
Speaker 3: because I don't believe that. I'm going back to I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go to the cosmopolitan theories and we'll switch back.
Speaker 3: So the murder of jobin A. Ramsey remains okay, well,
Speaker 3: well uh. In the book, presumed guilty and investigation into
Speaker 3: John Boney Ramsey's case the media and culture of pornography.
Speaker 3: Journalist Stephen Singler argues that the police were focused on
Speaker 3: pinning the murder on Ramsey, they neglect to consider the
Speaker 3: possibility that John Benet's John Benay was abductive for child pornography.
Speaker 3: It didn't make the the I didn't the connection as
Speaker 3: much as I felt this area should be investigated by
Speaker 3: the authorities because of similar similarities between what I've seen
Speaker 3: online of child pornography that's weird in the child's murder,
Speaker 3: he explained in an interview with Computer Crime Researcher Center,
Speaker 3: And because I've been told by cybercrime specialists that John
Speaker 3: Benay was precise precisely the kind of child because of
Speaker 3: her beauty, passion experience, who would be sucked into the
Speaker 3: world of childborn. While at first his theory might seem
Speaker 3: a little far fetched, it is not completely out of
Speaker 3: the realm of possibility. One of the former suspects in
Speaker 3: the case was that we said. Gary Howard was arrested
Speaker 3: last June after uploading several sexual explicit photographs of children
Speaker 3: to his email account. Even more, herowing Inside addition reports
Speaker 3: that when he was previously arrested in two thousand He
Speaker 3: was allegedly carrying a photograph of the child beauty Queen
Speaker 3: with him, along with the copy of a poem he
Speaker 3: called the ode to John pretty messed up. Do you
Speaker 3: have that other article pulled up to you? Of course,
Speaker 3: the first one, the Cosmopolitan one?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Do you want to go with the the sex
Speaker 4: rings from us? He was kidnapped and killed by a
Speaker 4: child sex ring. In two thousand, a California woman told
Speaker 4: police that she believed the same child sex ring that
Speaker 4: she'd been a victim of a child was responsible for
Speaker 4: Jambinet's death due to similarities and how they'd been tied up.
Speaker 4: According to the Daily Camera, the woman provided authorities with
Speaker 4: a list of specific names of individuals who were witnesses
Speaker 4: in the killing of John Maine, as well as ongoing
Speaker 4: sexual and physical abusers of other children. However, police later
Speaker 4: concluded that there was simply no evidence to support her claims.
Speaker 4: He the California woman had no direct knowledge of anything
Speaker 4: that may have occurred on the night Jambiney died. Police
Speaker 4: Chief Mark Breckner. Beckner told it down for Post this
Speaker 4: was her speculation based on what she claimed she went
Speaker 4: through as a child. Very weird.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna skip this one about like the murderer killed
Speaker 3: himself after the death, that's possible.
Speaker 4: Santa Claus did it. Santa Claus did it.
Speaker 12: He did it.
Speaker 4: He did it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes there's just things that I left over on the
Speaker 3: soundboard that I'm like, could this work?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: Two days prior to John Benet's murder, former University of
Speaker 3: Colorado professor Bill McReynolds dressed up as Santa Claus at
Speaker 3: the Ramsey's household. This is a big theory though a
Speaker 3: lot of people there is a lot of people speculate
Speaker 3: this for.
Speaker 4: The third year in a row.
Speaker 3: While there, CNN reports he allegedly gave John Benet a
Speaker 3: card that read.
Speaker 4: You will receive a special gift after Christmas.
Speaker 3: Statements led me to believe some sort of suspicion what
Speaker 3: was going on between Santa Bill and John Vanet. Again,
Speaker 3: he is an individual who was involved with her, had
Speaker 3: interest in her, and was seen with her shortly before
Speaker 3: the murder. Original prosecutor Trip D. Mirth told CNN even
Speaker 3: more suspicious, mcreynold's middle daughter and her name and her
Speaker 3: friend had been abducted twenty two years prior to John
Speaker 3: Vaney's death to the day.
Speaker 4: That's fucking weird, bro.
Speaker 3: And another creepy coincidence that raised investigator's suspicion was a
Speaker 3: play written by mc reynold's wife Jane, about a girl
Speaker 3: who was sexually assaulted and then murdered in a basement.
Speaker 4: What the fuck man?
Speaker 3: How weird is that mc reynold's explained. Mc reynolds explained
Speaker 3: that to this day that to that it was a
Speaker 3: fictional account of a nineteen sixty five torture murder of
Speaker 3: Sylvia Likings in Indiana.
Speaker 4: Nothing nothing to do with John Benney.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, Bill McReynolds with a name, was still one of
Speaker 3: the favorite suspects of the Ramsey family, even though they
Speaker 3: haven't specifically they haven't specifically called him out. Uh, they
Speaker 3: even suspict Jesus christ Man. They even man have a stroke.
Speaker 3: They even specifically called him out on their on their
Speaker 3: in their book The Death of the Innocence. Weird though,
Speaker 3: that one's like such a prominent thing, though, is like
Speaker 3: that Santa Claus did it?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, how sad is that that Santa Claus. That's what
Speaker 3: I definitely heard from Uh, That's what I definitely heard,
Speaker 3: you know, if that is the same guy, he I
Speaker 3: feel like you take that beard away. He looks like
Speaker 3: the typical.
Speaker 4: You know, p dough. Yeah, so fucked up.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is a really actually so John Beney's
Speaker 3: mother did it. We kind of already covered that they
Speaker 3: the this idea goes the idea that maybe that Patsy
Speaker 3: caught her husband molesting John Benet and then hit her
Speaker 3: in a fit of rage, which would seem how psychotic
Speaker 3: she could be, and this could be some there could
Speaker 3: be some truth to this that maybe like she was
Speaker 3: jealous because that you hear this and of real true
Speaker 3: crime cases where stuff like this does happen. And she
Speaker 3: lashed out after finding John Beney wet the bed, so
Speaker 3: she very weird. Maybe they you know, they it seems
Speaker 3: like they were sleeping separately. There was they were very
Speaker 3: distant as a married couple. She finds him involved with
Speaker 3: her their daughter, and then somehow she just like her
Speaker 3: mind snaps. She's raising this strict household. She thinks that
Speaker 3: she's jealous of it, almost and then loses it in
Speaker 3: a fit of rage. And then they staged the kidnapping
Speaker 3: and murdercy to cover up.
Speaker 4: Like the whole thing. And it's weird as well because
Speaker 4: multiple times he was referred to as a ladies man,
Speaker 4: so he wasn't known as like, Okay, yeah he was cold,
Speaker 4: et cetera, like love boys, but supposedly he wasn't one
Speaker 4: for like not clapping them cheeks or anything. So you know,
Speaker 4: it's weird that they would sleep in separate parts of
Speaker 4: the house as husband and wife, and then he wouldn't
Speaker 4: be like, I don't know, out with ladies at the night,
Speaker 4: or like fucking somebody else, or you know, potentially molesting
Speaker 4: his own daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty much it's to me, it doesn't seem
Speaker 3: totally far fetched. There's like theories that she was killed
Speaker 3: by her housekeeper, someone who loved pineapples.
Speaker 4: Seems a little weird.
Speaker 3: You know, there's and there's fingerprints on both her weird
Speaker 3: so traces of a sweet fruit were found in her stomach,
Speaker 3: which she was fed pineapple just before death. Either the
Speaker 3: killer was someone who enjoyed the tropical fruit or was
Speaker 3: a common snack of the brother. Maybe there was a
Speaker 3: bowl of fruit in the kitchen with pineapple residue on
Speaker 3: it and fingerprints from both her mother and the brother.
Speaker 3: A juicy conspiracy. Indeed, that is so strange. Something strange
Speaker 3: theories with do you want to get to the owl one?
Speaker 4: That's just as well one of the more outlandish theories
Speaker 4: of the bunch, So you should take it with a
Speaker 4: grain of salt. At least one source of reports that
Speaker 4: it is possible to gumany I was attacked by some
Speaker 4: sort of wild animal like an owl or a bear.
Speaker 4: Of course, that wouldn't explain how she ended up bound
Speaker 4: and strangled in her family's basement staly able to explain
Speaker 4: the two and a half page or handsome notes. But
Speaker 4: it's also not the first time that a murder has
Speaker 4: been blamed on it, So who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that literally happened with that guy that was
Speaker 3: like he was like bisexual or something, and he was
Speaker 3: like his wife fell down the stairs, and then they
Speaker 3: blamed that he was by on his the murder. And yeah,
Speaker 3: how much you want to bet that some of the
Speaker 3: names connected to the Franklin connection Nebraska will lead you
Speaker 3: to Ramsey's daughter, that's Ramsey's father through his work. That's interesting.
Speaker 3: I actually have an entire episode ready to go.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be long.
Speaker 3: I don't know when we're eventually gonna do the Franklin
Speaker 3: cover up, but I actually do have stuff ready for
Speaker 3: that if we choose to do that at some point.
Speaker 3: I'm I have a really good article about that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the staircase thing, Yeah, that was on Netflix too. That
Speaker 3: is so bizarre. She was killed by the housekeeper. I
Speaker 3: said that this is a really bizarre one we could
Speaker 3: get to is uh Katy Perry. Katy Perry killed is Bajapina.
Speaker 3: So there's a conspiracy theory on cocaine. Apparently some people
Speaker 3: believe that the whole murder was stage to create a
Speaker 3: fascinating story in John Benney. Now Katy Perry went into
Speaker 3: hiding years until she resurfaced as a singing sensation. The
Speaker 3: singer's song while Wide Awake is believed to uncover the
Speaker 3: messaging revealing truth about her past and John Bane Ramsey
Speaker 3: I would play that song if we wouldn't get copywritten,
Speaker 3: but they would definitely copyright sat side. But that whole
Speaker 3: song is a very occult. I'd just say that there's
Speaker 3: a lot of occult symbolism in that. So I don't
Speaker 3: know what do you guys think that are there tuning
Speaker 3: in the video or even on the audio. You know,
Speaker 3: you can leave messages on Spotify, comment like, you know,
Speaker 3: we just you know, support the show, comment like the video.
Speaker 3: Do everything you can to support us, and we'd really
Speaker 3: appreciate it. I'm not totally sold on this one. There's similar,
Speaker 3: like her eyes are different. There's like there's I would say,
Speaker 3: there's things that are similar, but not.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just some of them.
Speaker 3: They do kind of look a little similar, but not
Speaker 3: not like that where I'm like, wow, that's like a
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Oh else is also me but it's also strange as well,
Speaker 4: like someone that last commentary that someone mentioned mm hmmm,
Speaker 4: the Franklin cover up. Yeah, and just like about you know,
Speaker 4: names cropping up in different places and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So the the ransom note or whatever ends with victory SBTC.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't really get.
Speaker 7: To that either.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Did you do you have anything another? Did you
Speaker 4: look into it?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 4: No, you can, yeah, go ahead, man. Like some people
Speaker 4: were like, oh, you know, it could mean saved by
Speaker 4: the Cross, which is like a religious reference or whatever.
Speaker 4: But the one that a lot of people seem to
Speaker 4: lean on is that it stands for Subic Bay Training Center,
Speaker 4: which is a naval base in the Philippines that was
Speaker 4: linked to John Ramsey's career. A former housekeeper in his house,
Speaker 4: Linda Wilcox, offered up information that she said John had
Speaker 4: a plaque in his house that had something to do
Speaker 4: with the center. Some investigators thought that this was a
Speaker 4: reference to the SBTC, although this wasn't the name commonly
Speaker 4: used or the name that the facility was commonly known by,
Speaker 4: only by people who were directly connected to it. In
Speaker 4: the small storage closet where Fleet White and John Ramsey
Speaker 4: had looked before John Benee's body was found, the police
Speaker 4: found a plaque with the words to bay honest.
Speaker 3: No, it's really weird about that, is I don't know.
Speaker 3: There could be some sort of connection. You know, there's
Speaker 3: this a Satanic sacrifice, some sort of cult.
Speaker 4: Did this, right.
Speaker 3: It is weird because it seems like I do think
Speaker 3: that sacrificial murder takes place for many different reasons. But
Speaker 3: Christmas is based on a pegan holiday where they would
Speaker 3: sacrifice children to Horace. And then it goes deeper than that.
Speaker 3: It goes to tumose where you're decorating. And the thing
Speaker 3: is we'll talk about this in the live stream for
Speaker 3: the Christmas Special that will be live on Sunday at
Speaker 3: two pm Eastern time. Everybody that's listening or watching definitely
Speaker 3: tune in. There's some sort of elite cult stuff that's
Speaker 3: going on, is something that on Christmas in the past,
Speaker 3: and that's why I'm like, we'll talk about like I
Speaker 3: celebrate Christmas for spending time with my family, and you
Speaker 3: create new traditions. I do have a Christmas tree and
Speaker 3: get different ornaments.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't use it because I'm I'm I'm participating in
Speaker 3: some sort of ancient cult ritual, right or a cult ritual.
Speaker 3: I do it because you know, it's just a family tradition.
Speaker 3: And even if it is some symbolism towards this or that,
Speaker 3: Like you got to make life your own thing. You
Speaker 3: have to project your own energy. Can alcohol is supposed
Speaker 3: to be a downer, but according to like Elizabeth April,
Speaker 3: the chick that was contact with aliens, you can like
Speaker 3: use your own intention and make it upper, right, you can.
Speaker 3: You can use your own intention for a lot of
Speaker 3: things that do think of cult magic is a real thing,
Speaker 3: but it is weird because imagine if she was some
Speaker 3: sort of sacrifice, some sort of ancient god, some sort
Speaker 3: of club that he's connected to, like some you know,
Speaker 3: cabal elitist club. Uh. And then they were like, you know,
Speaker 3: we already gave you money because of this and that.
Speaker 3: Now you have to pay your dues. Now you have
Speaker 3: to give up your uh your child. Right, usually it's
Speaker 3: the firstborn child, but there could be there could be
Speaker 3: stipulations in this deal or whatever. Right, and he accumulates
Speaker 3: all this money in wealth and connection and then they
Speaker 3: come a knocking, you know, they're like, you got to
Speaker 3: pay for what we gave you. There the doc's go
Speaker 3: a freak out because I knocked, you know what I
Speaker 3: mean imagine if that was the case, right, M like
Speaker 3: something like and I don't I think anything is possible.
Speaker 3: I'm very open minded person about weird things that happen
Speaker 3: in the in this reality that we exist in.
Speaker 4: Right, there's some weird ones.
Speaker 3: Like it's connected to like APAC, you know, the Asian
Speaker 3: Pacific American COLLI was an active liberal political group operating
Speaker 3: outside of Colorado University, and the request for the money
Speaker 3: was written in the rants not could have been code
Speaker 3: for Japannay's time of death, which aligns well with her
Speaker 3: actual time of death around one eighteen am. As this
Speaker 3: conspiracy isn't even crazy enough. Apak disbanded just weeks after
Speaker 3: she died. There's some really weird shit to do with
Speaker 3: this case. And I guarantee if you look deep in
Speaker 3: the internet, there is some sort of crazy tinfol I
Speaker 3: wouldn't even say I'm cree. I would even say crazy,
Speaker 3: some sort of conspiracy theorist doue that's pointing like this
Speaker 3: time matches up with this some gamatrius shit that everything's connected,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 8: What I mean?
Speaker 4: Do you feel me? And you know what the worst
Speaker 4: part about all this is like I feel like you
Speaker 4: could sit here for two hours, three hours, four hours
Speaker 4: furs and there's no like I feel like I'm no
Speaker 4: closer to the I didn't like. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: I didn't expect to come on and record a podcast
Speaker 4: for entertainment and solve the case or anything. But like,
Speaker 4: I'm no closer to being able to sway one way
Speaker 4: or the other and say, Okay, this is kind of
Speaker 4: what I think more than anything else.
Speaker 3: Mean, neither, I actually have legit, Like I have no
Speaker 3: idea who who murdered this young child? You know, and
Speaker 3: it's sad to look into her eyes and be like,
Speaker 3: you know what, what took your life?
Speaker 4: Man Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 3: Music scene of the ninety sixties, a CIA operation on culture.
Speaker 3: There's all these connections, right, even like according a conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory site on on hived mind, doesn't exist anymore if
Speaker 3: I click on it. Wow, it doesn't exist, of course,
Speaker 3: because they take down like anything. There's a really good
Speaker 3: site that I liked, and we can find the way
Speaker 3: Way back machine, but it's they took down my one
Speaker 3: of my favorite sites for episodes, low low load, you
Speaker 3: piece of shit. And there is a connection to nine
Speaker 3: to eleven. And this one goes actually pretty deep, and
Speaker 3: there's and then no wonder they took down this guy's site.
Speaker 3: According to the conspiracy site, John Benay was murdered by
Speaker 3: the Royal Canadian Air Force, a colonel operating on behalf
Speaker 3: of the major British and American corporations and the Illuminati
Speaker 3: because your father refused to assist America's enemies in planning
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. I don't like Jews.
Speaker 5: That scary stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, if you, if anyone wants to know who did
Speaker 3: nine eleven, just look up the dancing Israelis.
Speaker 4: You should find your evidence there? Crazy, why are you
Speaker 4: what a case?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 3: What an interesting case? There's like, oh she was mould
Speaker 3: by wolves. There's so many different theories and as I
Speaker 3: agree with Aaron that you will never be able to
Speaker 3: find the truth about this. So before we end this,
Speaker 3: I want to play one last clip and then we'll
Speaker 3: kind of finish it off because it's you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I could talk for another hour about like this speculation,
Speaker 3: this that, you know what I mean, I see you
Speaker 3: reading stuff. So I'll play this and then we'll get
Speaker 3: to our final thoughts.
Speaker 4: Dude, there's just like there's too there's too much. Like
Speaker 4: I feel like it's like every time I click on something,
Speaker 4: it's like another twenty five things and I'm like, wait
Speaker 4: a second, but then if that and if this, and
Speaker 4: if that, if that happened, and if they're doing this,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, wow, it's actually like too much.
Speaker 3: We could probably recover at some point, not recover it,
Speaker 3: but do you eat a shorter live stream of maybe
Speaker 3: really taking apart some of the puzzle.
Speaker 4: Pieces and you know, well, I would always feel like that, like,
Speaker 4: let's say I was the one who had committed this crime.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't want it to be, you know, a John
Speaker 4: bin Air Ramsey level or a Madeline McCann level case,
Speaker 4: because it's too much attention. It'll be like Jesus Christ,
Speaker 4: I'm going to get there, going to get caught. But
Speaker 4: then at the same time, this one has gotten that
Speaker 4: much like Madeline McCann. It's gotten so convoluted now that
Speaker 4: it probably suits whoever actually done it because there's too many,
Speaker 4: Like there's a million different theories and none of them
Speaker 4: are really none of them seem to be higher than
Speaker 4: the other. They're all just kind of like, well, we
Speaker 4: don't whatever.
Speaker 3: It's just like this ether, right, and everyone's like picking
Speaker 3: out these certain parts and trying to like solve this
Speaker 3: puzzle piece. There is a missing piece that it seems
Speaker 3: like nobody knows though, and maybe it was them messing
Speaker 3: up the evidence. There are so many things you could
Speaker 3: point to of you know, because we are peeling the onion.
Speaker 3: As one of the fans said, so let's play.
Speaker 18: This was Jon Banay's killer, lurking in the audience as
Speaker 18: she competed in those little Girl beauty pageants. The new
Speaker 18: Netflix documentary series Who Killed John Beney Ramsey is reigniting
Speaker 18: America's most challenging cold case. It reveals that the parents
Speaker 18: of other competitors were creeped out and who showed up
Speaker 18: at the pageants.
Speaker 13: The families were there. They knew each other very well
Speaker 13: from going to a lot of these pageants, so anyone
Speaker 13: who was alone, especially a male alone, was scrutinized observed.
Speaker 18: In the early days of the case, cops investigated this photographer,
Speaker 18: Randy Simons, who took these haunting images of John Beney
Speaker 18: and for a time was a person of interest inside Editions.
Speaker 18: Spoke to him in nineteen ninety seven about her final
Speaker 18: photo shoot.
Speaker 4: This is a very special day.
Speaker 18: He defended the heavy makeup and adult clothes. John Benet
Speaker 18: war it's.
Speaker 4: Really a matter of writing and what you can bring
Speaker 4: up into the facial features and the lips to show
Speaker 4: expression on camera.
Speaker 18: But there were other images he allegedly kept on the
Speaker 18: wall of his dark room. According to the new Netflix documentary,
Speaker 18: when the police went.
Speaker 13: To his studio, his photography studio, they found some inappropriate
Speaker 13: pictures of snap children.
Speaker 18: In nineteen ninety eight, Simons was arrested running naked in
Speaker 18: the street shouting I did not kill John Benet. Simon's
Speaker 18: DNA does not match DNA found at the scene of
Speaker 18: John Benet's murder, but his life went into a downward spiral.
Speaker 18: In twenty nineteen, he was arrested in Oregon Forget this
Speaker 18: Child pornography. He's currently behind bars until at least twenty thirty.
Speaker 18: In twenty sixteen, we spoke with some of the girls
Speaker 18: who competed with John Bennet. Brandy Veal still has all
Speaker 18: her pageant paraphernalia. She performed in a dance troupe with
Speaker 18: John Benet and took this picture with her at a
Speaker 18: Christmas party a week before she was killed.
Speaker 12: Pageants was a big part of my life and there
Speaker 12: was such a stigma around that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't want to go there for a while.
Speaker 18: Felper Gosney also competed with John Bennet.
Speaker 16: I remember her personality.
Speaker 4: I remember the spunk she had on stage.
Speaker 3: The whole thing is just weirdd choice of I know, man,
Speaker 3: the whole thing is weird and creepy.
Speaker 4: I don't know. If if I was being interviewed about her, though,
Speaker 4: I would say, oh, yeah, it's so unforgettable, the spunk
Speaker 4: she had. Yeah, I know. I'll even use that reference
Speaker 4: books and.
Speaker 3: Like them being like, oh, the stigma around it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you were parading around in like little outfits. That whole
Speaker 3: thing is fucking weird and it will always be weird
Speaker 3: to me. So very interesting case. I'm glad we cover this.
Speaker 3: I think we did a justice. Like you know, I
Speaker 3: think being able to wrap it up in one part
Speaker 3: makes so much more Jesus trying to click that stupid
Speaker 3: song again, I.
Speaker 4: Was John Benney me with a fucking rope.
Speaker 3: You know, like it's that guy's song. It is just bizarre. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I I appreciate everybody that tuned into Live h you know,
Speaker 3: and when I wanted to do our own spin on this,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's it's kind of came into the
Speaker 3: limelight again. I've actually always wanted to cover this, and
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it a couple of years ago, but
Speaker 3: I thought this was the perfect time too.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I still don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll ever know what's your final thoughts,
Speaker 3: because I'm still like I'm as perplexed. You know, you
Speaker 3: could say, I I don't really know.
Speaker 4: It's just yeah, I'm the same like I feel like
Speaker 4: sometimes like most of the time, I'll have like some
Speaker 4: sort of like conclusion. I will have come to Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. There's
Speaker 4: there's like there's so many things there wildlie video was playing.
Speaker 4: I was reading another thing. The head of the Boulder
Speaker 4: County Sex Abuse Team, Holly Smith, said that when they
Speaker 4: went into the house and they were going through all
Speaker 4: her belongings and stuff, that they discovered a drawer full
Speaker 4: of stained underwear and said that it looked like John
Speaker 4: Beney constantly either wet herself or shit her pants, which
Speaker 4: was an immediate red flag that actually points to sexual abuse.
Speaker 4: To yees six year old, doing this is not normal.
Speaker 4: And yet the Ramseys never stopped the mind that their
Speaker 4: child had never ever been abused. This person, this lady
Speaker 4: gave her report, and she was a literal professional who
Speaker 4: was specifically trained to watch out for signs of child
Speaker 4: sex abuse and had twenty years of experience. John Benney
Speaker 4: was hidden so well with some families. Man soiled herself
Speaker 4: on a semi regular basis, and she can pcluded this
Speaker 4: was not a mere wiping issue. That's fucked. I mean
Speaker 4: that just disturbs me. Man and and.
Speaker 3: That is a sign, So like what is I'm almost
Speaker 3: leaning more towards the idea that they pimped out out
Speaker 3: their daughter to god knows who.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's you know, that's funny because that also became
Speaker 4: a pretty big storyline in the Madela McCann thing as well,
Speaker 4: that it went down that road.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm like, I'm not really convinced, Like there's some
Speaker 3: people that reached the status of fame in fortune that
Speaker 3: you know, actually do work hard. But his connections in
Speaker 3: the nine to eleven thing, and I'm sure connections if
Speaker 3: you really look deep enough to certain people.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I just it seems really weird,
Speaker 4: and there's a.
Speaker 3: Possible that, Okay, like Paul Bernardo right where they they
Speaker 3: try to drug Tammy, Carla Hamoka's sister. You can we
Speaker 3: have an audio episode of this out that me and
Speaker 3: Billy covered many years ago. It's actually pretty old at
Speaker 3: this point, you know, And they they drug up Tammy
Speaker 3: and then they accidentally give her too much drugs and
Speaker 3: she dies. Because Paul Bernardo wants say he always fantasized
Speaker 3: about Carla Hamoka's younger daughter, something happens and then they
Speaker 3: have to. They they cover it up and they say
Speaker 3: that she got too drunk and she choked on her
Speaker 3: vomit whatever they claimed, right, So part of me thinks that,
Speaker 3: you know, and maybe it was the was the brother
Speaker 3: abused also, and that's why he's just so standoffish and weird.
Speaker 4: But here here's a before we am I supposed finish
Speaker 4: this out. Here's a really interesting theory. So someone says,
Speaker 4: I don't. I admit I'm probably like most people and
Speaker 4: don't have a fully fleshed out theory. I don't have
Speaker 4: an explanation for every single odd tangent that one can
Speaker 4: trace in every direction from this incident. But I also
Speaker 4: feel like it could be somewhat obvious. When the child
Speaker 4: is sexually abused, it's almost always a close family member
Speaker 4: or a friend right away. I favor one of the
Speaker 4: Ramses or close rether Thans over a random stranger. John
Speaker 4: Beney had evidence of chronic sexual abuse in addition to
Speaker 4: fresh abrasions when she was taken from this world. She
Speaker 4: goes missing from her own home, which arguably had no
Speaker 4: sign of fourth century The basement window had been broken
Speaker 4: for a long time, with no evidence of the dust
Speaker 4: being disturbed nor the suitcase beneath it in the middle
Speaker 4: of Christmas night, and she is killed with items that
Speaker 4: were found in the home belonging to the family. A
Speaker 4: ransom not was written on her mother's stationary pad and pen.
Speaker 4: The fibers from her mom and dad were found in
Speaker 4: her panties. Yes, doing a laundry, caring for a child,
Speaker 4: that could absolutely cause that. When you look at the
Speaker 4: totality of evidence, the idea that the stranger did it
Speaker 4: seems simply implausible. People who claim Burke did it blow
Speaker 4: my mind. So I'm not going to linger nor argue
Speaker 4: on this one. But look, even if a little boy
Speaker 4: killed or nearly killed his sister, no parent goes through
Speaker 4: after that with violently sexually assaulting and strangling their daughter
Speaker 4: to death and dumping her body in the basement. If
Speaker 4: they weren't all, if they weren't already willing to rape
Speaker 4: and kill their own kid, or had done something similar
Speaker 4: to this before. I find this in asline theory, no offense.
Speaker 4: It just doesn't compute for me my subjective, half baked theory.
Speaker 4: I think John had been molesting John Maine, and I
Speaker 4: think Patsy is a very gullible naive and malleable and
Speaker 4: sick woman who lets herself be manipulated by her horrible husband.
Speaker 4: She says she was too out of it and too
Speaker 4: sick from Jomine's murder to even feed herself, But John
Speaker 4: Ramsey ensured that she was showing up to those media interviews.
Speaker 4: It seems, at least I think he loves control the narrative.
Speaker 4: If he gave a damn about John Mainey, he would
Speaker 4: have stopped. He wouldn't have stopped cooperating with the police,
Speaker 4: and he wouldn't have kept feeding the media fuel for
Speaker 4: their Burke did it fire. If he cared about Burke,
Speaker 4: he would have stopped stroking that fire long ago. Yet
Speaker 4: here he is every year saying I know who did it,
Speaker 4: but the cops won't listen. If he cared about Patsy,
Speaker 4: he'd have let her grieve in peace. Patsy was a
Speaker 4: weak woman who deferred to John. I don't see a
Speaker 4: world where she killed John Maney and he helped cover
Speaker 4: it up or believed her to be innocent. Somehow, I
Speaker 4: think that he killed her, and I think he convinced
Speaker 4: Patty Patsy in some way to help him cover it up.
Speaker 4: Whether true lies or manipulation or both. I also see
Speaker 4: women like her in these types of stories, willing to
Speaker 4: hurt their kids for their husband. For example, see Into
Speaker 4: the Fire and Netflix documentary, or even a Menenda's Kiss.
Speaker 4: He's out here gratifying himself, knowing that he is controlling
Speaker 4: the narrative, knowing he got away with it, and knowing
Speaker 4: he's lived a long life and would likely never see prison.
Speaker 4: He's sick end the story. But why did he get
Speaker 4: away with it? The incompetent police department, in my tears,
Speaker 4: made so many blunders that they would have had to
Speaker 4: reveal their ineptitude in order to begin truly working on
Speaker 4: solving the case. I believe that John's money and influence
Speaker 4: also helped him greatly, but I don't think it was
Speaker 4: a grand scheme to get a rich guy off a
Speaker 4: murder charge. Just he had a lot of influence, knew
Speaker 4: a lot of the right people, and had more grace
Speaker 4: given to him than anyone else would have. If this
Speaker 4: had have happened in the home of the poor trailer
Speaker 4: fag family in Louisiana, it would have been much smaller
Speaker 4: media story and the parents would have been in prison
Speaker 4: for the rest of their lives. In short, I can't
Speaker 4: help but feel that John Ramsey is either directly the
Speaker 4: source of the murder or closely involved. Makes sense.
Speaker 3: Honestly, that is a very good breakdown because it makes sense. Man,
Speaker 3: it's definitely someone close in as a he And honestly,
Speaker 3: if you look at him the way he talks, like
Speaker 3: I was like, maybe you know, he's trying to he's
Speaker 3: telling the truth and stuff like that, but there's something
Speaker 3: emotion less about the way he speaks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and I know I keep I've done
Speaker 4: it like this entire episode, but he reminds me so
Speaker 4: much of when you look at Jerry mccannon, very same thing,
Speaker 4: very clinical, very cold, very just like matter of fact
Speaker 4: about everything. Doesn't seem to get too emotional while we're
Speaker 4: or the other. Even when he's like trying to when
Speaker 4: people have kind of confronted him in interviews, he doesn't
Speaker 4: really ever get like put out of his character. He
Speaker 4: kind of his rebuttals are always very robotic and very.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we can cover that in the new year.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll go live for it too, because like it's
Speaker 3: so you know, we could we could speculate all night long, right,
Speaker 3: it is that's a good breakdown because I just feel
Speaker 3: like he definitely is involved, and like what sociopaths and
Speaker 3: psychod pass do is they're like they revel in the
Speaker 3: fact that they weren't caught.
Speaker 4: Some of them like to be good.
Speaker 3: I just feel like he's like I about smarter at you,
Speaker 3: and he could have he could have connections that we
Speaker 3: don't even know about, or like hush, hush, some of
Speaker 3: the people he knew, some of the people he worked with,
Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, everybody out there, I thank you
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Speaker 3: the site like that. I'm wearing my Class Horror Cast design.
Speaker 3: It depends if you want to go live on Rumble,
Speaker 3: I'll shoot it to mine. We got something going on
Speaker 3: Thursday that we're gonna do for Class Horror Cast a
Speaker 3: little watch a lot, so something really fun about Elves.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be it's a fun time. We're gonna I
Speaker 3: will we'll broadcast it to at least Rumble because we
Speaker 3: won't get copyright on there. I appreciate everybody. Thanks fellows
Speaker 3: a great show. We're trying our best, and I true
Speaker 3: crime has always been always been something that I'm like
Speaker 3: really able to dissect, especially me in air.
Speaker 4: And we found this, especially when.
Speaker 3: We started the show together, and we started found this
Speaker 3: niche of how we could especially with true true crime cases.
Speaker 4: We're both there what that is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, even like the Toy Box Killer, if you guys
Speaker 3: have not watched or listened to that episode, it's wild.
Speaker 3: So we covered that and that was like we started
Speaker 3: to show our true chops. Even another podcaster or Shame
Speaker 3: from Inqueriers of Reality was like, of our reality. I
Speaker 3: always sucked it up, but like he was like, man,
Speaker 3: how did you guys Like we're like joking and laughing
Speaker 3: about that shit. He's like so fucked up, But I
Speaker 3: was like, you gotta laugh or you'll be crying, right,
Speaker 3: So make sure you like support the show. You can
Speaker 3: buy merch. Everything should be in the link tree underneath
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Speaker 3: you can click the link tree and you'll get like
Speaker 3: everything from my music even to the podcast website, to merch,
Speaker 3: to our Instagram or X all of that stuff follow
Speaker 3: us wherever you can really appreciate it, especially on Instagram
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Speaker 3: on X So that's strange brew cast. Yeah, it means
Speaker 3: a lot for the people that tune in and that
Speaker 3: support the show.
Speaker 4: You have no idea.
Speaker 3: We're reaching more and more people all the time, and
Speaker 3: it warms my heart because I know there's we're gaining
Speaker 3: more and more people all the time. And you know,
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time and effort into the show,
Speaker 3: even the time where we've had over one hundred episodes
Speaker 3: taken off put on Patreon for people for extra content.
Speaker 3: But this show was a slow start, but we finally
Speaker 3: gained I think our presence and how to do this
Speaker 3: podcast thing, and I think we're getting better and better
Speaker 3: at all the time. So now Aaron show your stuff
Speaker 3: and everyone, Yeah, tune in Thursday. We're gonna be doing
Speaker 3: something on Rumble, especially at Class Horror cast on Rumble,
Speaker 3: Stranger Podcast, also cast it to my Stuff and then Sunday,
Speaker 3: Sunday Sunday football football, football, not football, we're gonna be
Speaker 3: doing our Christmas spe Okay, it's gonna be a Christmas
Speaker 3: Live Special two pm Eastern Time this Sunday, December twenty second.
Speaker 3: Whatever this Sunday is, make sure to tune in. Even
Speaker 3: the people are listening on audio, tune into that. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of fun. Aaron should fucking be
Speaker 3: there for once, and Billy's definitely gonna be there.
Speaker 4: What is the Christmas Special actually about?
Speaker 3: Uh, we're gonna do paranormal We're talking about panormal Christmas stories.
Speaker 3: And then Billy's gonna bring some fun facts that I
Speaker 3: got for him. Because Billy does not do any research
Speaker 3: into the show. I don't know how he's able to
Speaker 3: do this get by doing zero research. I know he
Speaker 3: just comes in and reacts everything.
Speaker 4: Somehow he's able to do it.
Speaker 3: I know he's got that comedic presence. But yeah, share
Speaker 3: your stuff and then we'll bring it.
Speaker 4: To a close.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like look much the same as what Tom said for
Speaker 4: both shows. Really the the link tree, you'll find everything
Speaker 4: from there x as on Class Underscore Horror on Instagram,
Speaker 4: probably most active on your first Class Horror. Have Class
Speaker 4: horror cast dot com. We have t shirts and stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna rework all that stuff coming in the new year.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna rework a lot of things with the show
Speaker 4: and switch up and have you know, mini episodes and
Speaker 4: really push the Patreon and stuff like that, and do
Speaker 4: a lot of exclusive stuff that I've neglected for the
Speaker 4: last twelve months. But yeah, I would say the best
Speaker 4: place to keep I guess an eye on what we're
Speaker 4: doing on my side would be on Instagram. That's where
Speaker 4: I am most active. But I do try and post
Speaker 4: on a lot of other platforms, but it just doesn't,
Speaker 4: I don't know, for some reason. Horror content, much like
Speaker 4: true crime, much like conspiracy stuff, it does kind of
Speaker 4: get pushed at the bottom of the pylon a lot
Speaker 4: of these platforms, which sucks.
Speaker 3: But I asked me about politics, and I was like,
Speaker 3: this guy's better than this guy. Like it's just like, man,
Speaker 3: the amount of people that are like Pp Trudeau pee
Speaker 3: versus so garbage to me. I'm like, all these politicians
Speaker 3: are parasites. Did you realize that political content is because
Speaker 3: everyone's kind of concerned about the future of the world
Speaker 3: and the war and politics and who's in power. They're
Speaker 3: all parasites. They're all actively working on your destruction while
Speaker 3: they enrich themselves. So please stop paying attention to anything
Speaker 3: that's being said in Congress or the House of Parliament,
Speaker 3: with the House of Comments, Parliament, whatever. Stop paying attention
Speaker 3: to it. Man, these people are just gonna eat you alive,
Speaker 3: as my song said, so you can support my music also,
Speaker 3: though Raptilian on YouTube, we're gonna make a music video
Speaker 3: for my new song Parasites in Parliament.
Speaker 4: I will keep going on and on.
Speaker 3: It is the same bird. Yes, so everybody support the show.
Speaker 3: We love you, like comment all that stuff, and we
Speaker 3: appreciate you. Thank you for tuning in, and stay strange fuckers.