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Is Tibbeti kid? 17 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:23.000 It's strange A six year old beauty queen. 18 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:28.640 Oh hullo, A mother's chilling call for help? We ever 19 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:31.879 kidnapped nor Doblin Corn. 20 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:35.480 Patsy Ramsey's daughter John Bennet would soon be found dead 21 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:37.239 inside her Colorado home. 22 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.560 Was there an intruder or was the family and farm, and. 23 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:43.400 The parents would soon be under the microscope. 24 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:45.840 I did not kill my daughter, John Benet. 25 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:51.000 That was December nineteen ninety six. Twenty eight years later. 26 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.000 The case is still unsolved. 27 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.319 We're not asking you to clear us, or apologize or 28 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:57.840 be nice to us again. 29 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:00.840 But what John Ramsey is asking for us, he told 30 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.799 True Crime News host Ana Garcia in a headline making 31 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:07.319 exclusive interview, is for Boulder police to take a new 32 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:08.439 look at evidence. 33 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.360 We've had unidentified male DNA from January nineteen ninety seven, 34 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.319 and as one prosecutor told me, I've never ever seen 35 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.479 a police department try to explain away unidentified male DNA 36 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:20.960 in a sexual assault case. 37 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.360 I truly believe we can solve this crime. 38 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:30.360 Welcome everybody back to the show. Welcome the Strange Brew Podcast. Everybody. 39 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.280 I am Tom kat Ak, Tom Thompson, the Raptilian. You 40 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.400 can find my music and all music platforms. Just released 41 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.560 a new song called Parasites in Parliament. It's a good one. 42 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:44.199 People are really vibing it. So yeah, welcome back to 43 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.639 the show. I'm very excited for this episode. Who am 44 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:47.439 I joined? 45 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:47.680 Bye? 46 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.960 Have we decided on my name? Actually? I feel like 47 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.800 a while back before I had like my big horrible 48 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.680 near near death experience, didn't was it? Horror boy? 49 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.280 Yeah, you call yourself the parasite. 50 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.400 I could actually at this point range I've been feeling 51 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.199 healthy for like two weeks now. WHOA, keep it up, man, 52 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.240 keep it up. I was actually gonna be quite controversial 53 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.599 on this, well not necessarily for me, but for other people. 54 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:20.319 And I was gonna wear my fucking Trump make America 55 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:24.000 Great Again half or whatever. You actually bought one of those, No, 56 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.000 I got one as a gift, as like a joke gift. 57 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.319 So everybody in the new year, there will be an 58 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.919 episode out with I did an episode with this lady, 59 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:39.479 this woman who does trans investigations into who in Hollywood 60 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:41.800 in some of the major celebrities that we know of 61 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:48.039 are supposedly transgender. She claims Trump's a woman. It's like 62 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.719 it's gonna be a fun episode for everybody because it's 63 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:54.879 like strange. Yeah, I don't necessarily maybe believe it, like 64 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.199 I think some of it might be possible. I do 65 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:59.199 think that there are celebrities like maybe Lady Gaga and 66 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.520 stuff like that. That and so and they like they 67 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:04.759 like worship baf meant and all that weird stuff, so 68 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.159 it will be exciting for people to hear because it's 69 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:10.599 so definitely a weird episode. But this is even stranger, 70 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.879 a case that seems to never be able to be solved, 71 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.199 which makes me question a lot of the motive and 72 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.879 stuff behind. Like, you know, this is a weird one. 73 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.279 This is a very famous case. Do you remember, like 74 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:23.360 the first time you heard about this? 75 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:30.480 I actually don't, but I I don't know if I could, like, 76 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.240 you know, pick a specific Oh that was the first 77 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.800 time I heard about it, But yeah, it's definitely always 78 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:37.560 It's one of those ones. I think that's always been 79 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.759 like in the zeitgeist rais. I've always been out there 80 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.639 and I've always heard that name all the time, and 81 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:45.920 I think maybe years ago I might have followed the 82 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:47.839 case and went like down the rabbit hole and then 83 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.079 kind of forgot about it. And it's only in more 84 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.399 recent times that I was like, oh you remember that shit. 85 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.680 Yeah, it is interesting, right, because that's like me too. 86 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.279 I've always I always remember hearing the name, uh, even 87 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:01.079 like from song it's like don't on a necro or 88 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.519 something like that where he like says like the Ramsey 89 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.000 name and like it is really famous, and this is 90 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.079 what eventually if we do cover Madeline McCain because you 91 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:10.959 read a book all by that stuff. It is interesting 92 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.600 they focus on certain yeah. 93 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.160 Campaign that if this goes well, on campaigning for it, because. 94 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:19.600 That I don't know, it makes any question why they 95 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:23.879 focus solely on some cases. But like literally, like in 96 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.439 Canada it's like forty five thousand children are missing a year. 97 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.839 In the United States, it's way more, uh, you know, 98 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:31.680 and those numbers are probably we don't even know if 99 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.240 they're accurate or not. Okay, we have people, we're live everybody, 100 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.000 So if you want to catch the show live, you 101 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:41.079 can catch it live on Rumble, YouTube x is, Strange 102 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:45.160 brew Cast. We're even live on Entropy, so that's a 103 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.839 that's a very open platform. Entropy is a lot of 104 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:52.639 people use that are really banned off of certain platforms. 105 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.000 But yeah, you can support us if you like watching 106 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.800 the show, definitely do that. Five started interviews all that. 107 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.279 We appreciate anybody that does support the show and share it. 108 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.720 And this is an interesting case. And I just faced 109 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:05.759 the Netflix documentary. That's what made me be like, hey, 110 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.759 we gotta do this. It's around Christmas, you know, I 111 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.000 wanted to do it in December and uh yeah, so 112 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.439 let's uh, let's get into it. I'll play play something else. 113 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.120 Past Santa Claus in his sleigh and a double row 114 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.279 of candy canes. Deputy Corners brought the body of six 115 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:27.199 year old John Benet Ramsey from her upscale home. Neighbors 116 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.439 described the young girl as beautiful and polite. In nineteen 117 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.639 ninety five, she won the Little Miss Colorado pageant. Bolder 118 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.800 police won't comment on her cause of death, only saying 119 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:42.560 that she wasn't shot or stabbed. They are investigating her 120 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.279 death as a homicide. So far, no arrests have been made. 121 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.920 This case started as a kidnapping. Police were called here 122 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.959 to the scene at about six am the morning after Christmas. 123 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.480 Someone inside this house had made a nine to one 124 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:58.600 one call saying that little John Vannay had been kidnapped. 125 00:06:58.839 --> 00:06:59.000 Well. 126 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.319 When police got here, they. 127 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.959 Went inside the house and a short time later they 128 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:07.040 found the little girl's body. The parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, 129 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.519 were home at the time, but detectives say the parents 130 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:14.839 are not suspects. The father is the president of Access Graphics, 131 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.319 located on Boulder's Pearl Street Mall. The couple does have 132 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.839 another child, a son around ten years old. Whether the 133 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:26.319 boys a suspect, investigators won't comment, saying only that right now, 134 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:31.360 this murder investigation is wide open in Boulder, Phil Keating 135 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:32.920 nine News. 136 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:36.519 It's so fi it's like they only can say that 137 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:39.600 she wasn't shot or stabbed, thank you, that's very informative. 138 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:43.040 Was she involved in gang violence? You know, it's just 139 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:48.040 like that's literally nothing like I mean, yeah, it's still 140 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:50.040 in case. A lot of people may not know that too, 141 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:55.800 is being just like you know, oh well, all we 142 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.480 can say is she's dead. Yeah, I know. 143 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.040 That's they do with ever thing, right, Like especially all 144 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.240 these people that like suddenly die. 145 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.240 You're like, oh yeah, it's just just like you know, 146 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:10.040 like how they kind of reference it and like it's 147 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.319 not just this case, but I've definitely heard cases before 148 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:16.560 where they say things like they just come across really odd, like, well, 149 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:18.959 we can confirm that she's definitely not alive. 150 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.800 I yeah, and yeah, it's so weird. And I'm going 151 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:23.120 to be. 152 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:25.759 There. 153 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:32.519 The pageantry thing is fucking that's already just well there's 154 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:34.840 some of that. I'm gonna we'll show some videos later 155 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.960 of her in her pageant but like that's not too bad, 156 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:40.080 but there's some things that. 157 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.080 Have ye but still right even just put that image 158 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:44.200 back up for a second, right, like that to me 159 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:48.919 looks like like a fully formed woman in like a 160 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:53.159 miniature body. It's really unsettling to think, Oh I'm looking 161 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:54.320 at an actual kid. 162 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:57.399 Yeah, well it's it's the makeup. I think. 163 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:02.080 Yeah, it's just like readium comfortable it is. 164 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.159 It is like the makeup and the way they dressed her, 165 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:06.919 and and then people are it's. 166 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.200 Just I don't I don't know if man, if it's just this. 167 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.360 Fun thing because they it's it's a pageantry of essentially 168 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.679 dressing up a kid as what a full grown woman 169 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.679 would wear to some sort of pageant or like you know, 170 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.600 miss Universe, and now it's a man for. 171 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.799 Some reason, you know, but like what's the purpose? Yeah, 172 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:32.000 I know, I don't understand, like what, like I. 173 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:34.000 Don't know why it came about. Why they do it, 174 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:35.799 you know what I mean? Why why it's been. 175 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.679 A thing like you could say, and I know there's 176 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.399 probably lunatics out there who still love all that stuff 177 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:45.480 and yeah look at that. Come on, like come on, 178 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.000 that is very weird. 179 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.879 So the our listeners were obviously showing pictures of her 180 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.399 and her pageantry outfits, and it's. 181 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:54.679 It's it's really weird. 182 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.440 And honestly, like pedophiles and stuff like that hide in 183 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.320 these places that are like they go where children go. 184 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:06.519 Right there, teachers they're priests, you know, like they there 185 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:10.759 they go either a pastor right they go where kids are, 186 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:14.080 they're a Sunday school teacher. Now they're justin Trudeau. 187 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:14.519 You know. 188 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:20.200 It's just like the problem. The other problem as well, 189 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.159 as you see when you question people who put their 190 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:28.080 kids into stuff like that, the problem is they're either 191 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:30.679 well they're going to say it so the parents will 192 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.960 say it, or the guardians and then they've probably already 193 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.279 brainwashed the kid as well into thinking, oh, no, she 194 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.279 really wants to that she likes to get dressed up 195 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.320 like a princess and like do a whole thing, and 196 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:43.120 that she just feels so amazing. She feels like a 197 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.480 Disney princess. It's like, yeah, but I don't I don't 198 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:47.799 know if any kid ever wakes and goes, you know, 199 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:49.120 I want you to put me in like. 200 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.679 Underwear and yeah, I know that's what literally this is like. 201 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.279 And you think that some creep that is attracted to 202 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.679 this ship. Wouldn't wouldn't go yeah, wouldn't be there like 203 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:02.120 you kidding me, Like it's. 204 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.480 Funny be a judge. Wouldn't somehow like stimulate into all 205 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:06.840 that and be like mm hmm yo. 206 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.519 Me, Well, look what when we start to get into 207 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:13.000 stuff like even the clown killer uh, you know, John 208 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.080 Wayne Gacy, stuff like that, he like inserted himself into 209 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.799 positions to be like I'm a good guy. I work 210 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:20.360 for the town, and I mean I'm a I'm loved 211 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.799 around the around the town, you know. So it's it's 212 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:28.440 very bizarre. So on December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six, 213 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:32.080 John uh and Patsy What a Name Ramsey reported that 214 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.840 their six year old daughter, Joahmina Ramsey had been kiddepped 215 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:41.799 and they found a ransom note demanding one thousand, one 216 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.240 hundred and one hundred eighteen dollars. I think I I'd 217 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.600 say that a few hours later she was found dead. 218 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:51.320 That's a very specific number two and the family home 219 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.559 in Boulder, Colorado. The shocking rumor of John man A 220 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.440 Ramsey was just the beginning of a decade long mystery 221 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:03.000 discovery of John but brutally murdered body in the spare 222 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:08.720 room of the basement of the family's mansion in Boulder, Colorado, 223 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.080 shocked the nation. It was an event that unfolded after 224 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.639 truly that truly raised eyebrows and scratched heads, to the 225 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:19.200 extent that there's no definitive answer as what happened on 226 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:23.840 that winter evening nearly three decades ago. Various suspects have 227 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.879 been investigated over the years, including John Benet's own parents, 228 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:31.080 John and Patsy Ramsey, who have maintained their innocence from 229 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.000 the beginning. No one has ever been charged in the 230 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:37.639 child beauty queen murder Like a beauty queen, a child 231 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.559 that sounds weird in general, but which is backed. Which 232 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:44.919 is back in the spotlight following the release of Netflix 233 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.679 cold case Who killed John Benet Ramsey? While the timeline 234 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.919 of the events leads up to discovery of the body 235 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:55.080 are unclear, those that transpired after what happened and who 236 00:12:55.159 --> 00:13:04.279 killed John Boney Ramsey are still unclear to the mass population. Yeah, yeah, 237 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:08.080 one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, not a thousand, Yeah, 238 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.240 that'd be very specific. One hundred thousand and eighteen dollars. 239 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.559 It's just like super super specific, just a case. 240 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:19.519 Are we are we going to talk about the I'm 241 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:22.799 assuming you know, like why it's weird that that was 242 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:23.559 so specific? 243 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.679 No, can you enlighten me if I may have it? 244 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:34.480 I don't know. So for for people who may not notice, my. 245 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:38.919 Read is delicious, I'm eventually in a question. No, it's 246 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:41.679 like a really nice it's an Irish it's an Irish beer. 247 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.919 They say you've been doing dry January or the last 248 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:47.240 like four years now. 249 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.360 It's it says it's an Irish red Ale and I 250 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.120 have never heard of that. 251 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.480 Yeah, I think it was made in America. Yeah, it's 252 00:13:55.559 --> 00:14:02.639 it was. And yeah, so they find this ransom note 253 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.200 letter or whatever and on it they were demanded one 254 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.320 hundred and eighteen thousan dollars it's made in Canada, which 255 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:15.279 that amount matched the exact amount of a recent bonus 256 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:17.919 that John Ramsey had received at work. 257 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:20.399 Seeing how they know that, and that's what we'll get 258 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.279 into the stuff about like nine to eleven, and like 259 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.320 there's really weird conspiracy theories. So we're gonna break down 260 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:29.440 the timeline and I'm gonna do this in a nice 261 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.000 wrapped up like a bow. Since it's gonna be Christmas 262 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:33.759 kind of manner of we're just gonna kind of break 263 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:35.639 down a lot of the timelines because there's a lot 264 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.519 to this case. So three days before John Banay's body 265 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.519 was found, a nine on one call was made from 266 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.360 the home, but on January tenth, it reported that it 267 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:45.559 was likely a mistake made by a drug party guest. 268 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.960 According to CNN, I would ever believe them. So December 269 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.399 twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six, the Rambis attend a Christmas 270 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.679 party at a family friend's house. John Banney gets a 271 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:59.039 bike for Christmas after attending a Christmas party hosted by 272 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:01.039 a family friend Fleet White. 273 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:07.200 What a name. Guy's name's Fleet White. Now this might 274 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.159 this might sound a bit weird that I'm even having 275 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:19.000 this top process both, you know, when you mentioned they're 276 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.120 at like a party with different guests and they're going 277 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.960 to different places. I can't help but think like where 278 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.039 these parents like creepy and like, you know, going to 279 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:32.679 like parties in other houses and being like, hey, Jambney, 280 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.960 why don't you put on your underwear and like in 281 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:36.559 the sitting room. 282 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.960 Yeah, yeah, I don't know, because there's a possibility that 283 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:45.360 that is the case if story on the stream of 284 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:49.519 something that I just heard recently. But like it's crazy 285 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.799 the stuff that some people don't know about other people 286 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.759 and and I can't, I can't go on, but essentially 287 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:01.000 that yeah, just someone involved with something along those lines 288 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.879 of using kids and getting their own kid to like 289 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.879 bring in kids to It's so crazy, man, And this 290 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.000 stuff happens all the time, and then people don't even 291 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.000 realize it because it doesn't good mass attention, you know 292 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.200 what I mean. Uh, there is theories that the brother 293 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.080 did do it. We will get to that because that's weird. 294 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:22.559 And he's a weird guy. What's his name again? Such 295 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:24.440 a what? 296 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.200 No? No Burke. 297 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.519 Yeah, it's like he has a weird name. Anyway, So 298 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:30.960 she gets a nice bike, you know, maybe it's a bike, 299 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:31.519 like just. 300 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:37.039 To continue because she's but just to continue on that that, 301 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.840 Like as time has gone on, more and more. Yeah, 302 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.240 this whole family, you're fucking weird, man, I know, everything 303 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.200 seems weird. Yeah, everything about them is just weird. At first, 304 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:49.519 it's like it kind of unfaced fat it seems like, 305 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.679 you know, oh, like this shift thing has after happened 306 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:54.519 and Okay, maybe they're a bit weird to have your 307 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.679 kid doing beauty pageants or whatever. But then is it 308 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.159 started to kind of dive into the case you like, 309 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.799 by the second's right, she fuckings she seems weird, he 310 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:03.440 seems weird. 311 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:05.440 But then watching the Netflix thing and hearing him talk, 312 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.960 I'm almost like, Okay, there's something weird about you. But 313 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:10.720 I kind of trust what you're saying. Like you just 314 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.720 gotta watch people's mannerisms and their body language and stuff 315 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:15.920 like that, and there's like things you gotta look for cues. 316 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.559 So she she gets on her bike and she rides 317 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:20.079 away just cake. 318 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:20.559 They go. 319 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.319 They go home, and John Benney goes to bed, and 320 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.000 I was gonna think, like, you can't name your kid 321 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.160 John Binney anymore, Like there's no way. It's like it's 322 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:32.680 like Adolph right, Like you know, I'm gonna un it. 323 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.319 Well it's supposed to be based on his name. 324 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:37.599 Oh yes, sorry, yeah, yeah, I. 325 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:39.319 Guess I can tell the stream. Now I'm gonna be 326 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:42.039 a father everybody. It's already out there and we released it. Yeah, 327 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:43.920 pretty crazy, So I'm gonna be out a father. 328 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:49.359 Where it's like pretty crazy. 329 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:50.759 And I was like, I'll just mention it at some 330 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.839 point in some episode, I'm very excited to be a father. 331 00:17:52.920 --> 00:18:01.599 So now it's gonna be interesting, interesting, it will it 332 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:04.039 will be that scary stuff. 333 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:10.440 So yes, thank you everybody you know. And this is 334 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.359 such an interesting case to begin with. 335 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:14.440 And stuff. I hear my cat freaking out over there. 336 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:14.960 I was wondering. 337 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:20.839 I was like, going, my cat is, like is I 338 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:23.519 think she's slowly dying because she's just gone mental and 339 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:24.880 she just like wants so much attention. 340 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:29.279 It's like wild, she's I think she's losing it. You're like, yeah, 341 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:30.599 you can die. Who cares. 342 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.279 Oh, I've had her for since I was seventeen. Man, 343 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.680 she's like sixteen, seventeen years old or something. Shit, I think, 344 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.000 so yeah, crazy, It's like she's an old cat, but 345 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:44.240 she's still kicking. So yeah, she likes So some story 346 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.920 you say that she snuck back downstairs and fought with 347 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.799 a brother over a late night snack of pineapple, which 348 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.559 sounds like some kind of swinger stuff you're asking me. Indeed, 349 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:58.599 the undigested tropical fruit was found in her stomach. So 350 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.359 when pats this was in December twenty sixth. The next day, 351 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.240 you know, Patsy gets up to make coffee. Around five 352 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:09.720 three am, she discovers two and a half page handwritten 353 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:14.359 ransom note on the backstairs leading to the kitchen, and 354 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.359 that says the daughter has been kidnapped. 355 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:25.000 Pretty weird. Can I dive into some of the letter? Yeah? 356 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:26.559 Yeah, for sure, for sure. 357 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:32.599 You pop in. Should I read the whole thing? Or 358 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.960 just can you do it in your voice? Your Yeah? 359 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:38.519 Which one the scary one or to squeaky one. 360 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.839 I feel like this person is not really thought out well, 361 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:44.640 so I think it'd be kind of funny for this squeak. 362 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:48.359 Can you bring that back up on screen again? Because 363 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:52.319 I have like random pieces of it. Can you read that? 364 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:55.319 Is it good? Spice? 365 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:56.319 Yeah? 366 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.240 I think the demon voice would be I feel like 367 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.720 you would be able to. It would just sound all 368 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.240 you should try the team. 369 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.079 Yeah, let me see. The demon voice might just drowned 370 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:17.279 out though I know. Yeah, no, that's not gonna ry. 371 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.759 Mister Ramsey. Listen carefully. 372 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.200 We are a group of individuals that represent a small 373 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:31.960 foreign faction. We respect your business, but not all the 374 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:38.240 country something that it seems I don't know. At this time. 375 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.160 We have your daughter in our possession. He is safe 376 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.559 and unharmed, and if you want to see and if 377 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:49.519 you want her to see nineteen ninety seven, you must follow. 378 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.240 Our instructions to the letter. 379 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.440 You will withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from 380 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:00.319 your account. One hundred thousand will be in one hundred 381 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:05.279 dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills. 382 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:12.440 Make sure that you bring an adequate size something bag 383 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:16.559 to the bank. When you get home, you will put 384 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.839 the money in a brown paper bag. I will call 385 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:24.359 you between eight and ten am tomorrow to instruct you 386 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:29.279 on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting, so I advise 387 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:35.839 you to be arrested. If we monitor you getting the 388 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:39.680 money early, we might call you early to arrange an 389 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:44.920 earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup 390 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:50.160 of your daughter. Any deviation for my instructions will result 391 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:53.759 in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also 392 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.480 be denied her remains for a proper burial. The two 393 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:02.839 gentlemen watching over your daughter don't particularly like you, so 394 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:09.160 I advise you do not. I advise you do not 395 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:16.559 provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation such as police, FBI, etc. 396 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.599 Will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch 397 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:25.200 you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you 398 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.880 will ern bank authorities, she dies. If the money is 399 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:32.839 in any way marked are tempered with, she dies. You 400 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.640 will be scanned for electronic devices, and if any are found, 401 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:42.480 she dies. You can try deceive us, but be warned 402 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:46.599 that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. 403 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.319 You stand at ninety nine percent chads of killing your 404 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.599 daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions, 405 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:58.960 and you stand one hundred percent chance of getting her back. 406 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:02.319 You in your family are undercounts and scrutiny as well 407 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:06.920 as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain, John, 408 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.559 You're not the only factcat around, so don't think that 409 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:17.759 killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us. John, here's that 410 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:21.720 good setter and common sense of yours. It is up 411 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:26.880 to you now, John Victory SBTC. 412 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:31.880 It's so weird, man, like just the the whole like letter. 413 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.000 We almost would have done the robot voice because that's 414 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.039 because they would be like or. 415 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.200 And he's actually download more voices. I think, can you 416 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:40.640 do that? 417 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.359 I think so wow, man, I need to get the 418 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:47.200 new updated version. It is wild. It just it's such 419 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.039 a weird letter to begin with, too. 420 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.000 I didn't realize how much of an issue I was 421 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:54.519 going to have. Reading the actual rite, I was like, Wow, 422 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.000 this is like something that like she wrote herself. 423 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.680 That's what I'm thinking. It's very it's weird. The letter 424 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.119 is a very weird thing to begin with. We'll get 425 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.440 to all the theories later, but yeah, I demanded all 426 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.759 the stuff. So Patsy calls nine one one anyway, even 427 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.880 though they told her in the letter not. 428 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:18.079 To and weird, right, So they were like, if you 429 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.920 call anyone, it's what was it in nineteen chances she 430 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.160 dies and she was already dead most likely, and if 431 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:28.599 you don't call anyone, you've a one hundred percent chance 432 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:32.240 of seen her again. It's like, no, I guess you 433 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:34.519 probably will. Well, would you call the police? 434 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.599 Like the first instinct is to, like, after that really 435 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.839 threatening letter is to be like, all right, well. 436 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:41.440 We're going to beheader if you do an Okay, let 437 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:42.960 me do that thing first. 438 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:49.240 So let's play the phone call. 439 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:53.359 Please, what's going on two Street? What's going on? Them? Were? 440 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:58.960 Please plain to me what's going on? Okay, there's a 441 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:14.200 young west nor I'm going a note was left in 442 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.480 your daughter again? How old is your daughter? She's going 443 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.559 six years old? How long ago was this? 444 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:24.559 I don't know. 445 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:28.160 I just feel the note and my daughter gives a say, chicker, 446 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:30.400 what did it say? 447 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:30.880 The kidder? 448 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:31.920 I don't know. 449 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.359 There's a ransom note here. It's a ransom now because 450 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:45.680 if BTC Victory please okay? What's your name? Are you? 451 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:50.680 Gonnady Ramsay? I'm the mother? Oh my god, please, I'm okay. 452 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:53.200 I'm sitting in office over okay. Do you know how 453 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.359 long she's been? Guy? I don't please. We just got 454 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.680 up and she run here. Oh my god, please okay 455 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:07.799 if I am honey, take a deep breast, Catty, Caty, Patty. 456 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.440 The body of Jean Manet Ramsey, strangled and beaten, is 457 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:14.839 found in the basements. 458 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:16.880 None of it makes sense? 459 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:18.160 What else don't we know? 460 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.240 Will whoever kills John Maree Ramsey get away with murder? 461 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:25.720 Patsy Patsy, Patsy Patsy. 462 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:27.599 It's such a The whole thing is weird. 463 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:27.880 Man. 464 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.160 I don't know, like she just she doesn't first start right, 465 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.240 she doesn't sound now. Look and O there's arguments there 466 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.039 for you know, lots of different people react different ways, 467 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.200 blah blah blah. I can't say that I wouldn't act 468 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.279 the same, but I'd be lying if I didn't say. 469 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.880 For me personally, listening to that, I'm like, hmm, that 470 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.880 sounds like if you asked me to record a nine 471 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.960 on one call for the show and pretend to be panicked. 472 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:58.359 I think I would freak. I'd be freaking out. 473 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:03.000 Like she's very coherent for somebody who's like just realized. 474 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.319 You think you be balling your eyes out and stuff. 475 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:05.680 I don't know. 476 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.839 She's very like, yes, it's me, It's it's Patsy. It's 477 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.559 Patsy Ramsey the mother. And I'm like, what Patsy, Patsy 478 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:14.119 who named her man? 479 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.920 Come on and in her name being Patsy, Like know what, 480 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.599 I guarantee there's some sort of like conspiracy channel that's like, 481 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.559 you know, you. 482 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:23.839 Gotta connect the dots man. 483 00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.200 Her name is Patsy because she was a Patsy and 484 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:27.799 the murder of her own you know what I mean. 485 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:29.400 It's weird. 486 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.880 Just for a six am police officer Rick French arrives 487 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.440 good old French boy at the home and does a search. 488 00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.440 He pauses by the door that John Benet was later 489 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:43.480 found behind, but doesn't open it. Accordant to news Weekly, 490 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:47.440 Linda Aren't was the first detective on scene, arriving about 491 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.519 two hours later. John Beney is still nowhere to be 492 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.119 found as the morning stretches on. In the afternoon, Aren't 493 00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.680 instructs John and Fleet White, one of the friends that 494 00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.680 you know that they went to the Christmas party for 495 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.519 to con sol the Ramses, to do a top to 496 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.839 bottom search of the home for anything unusual. Just after 497 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.400 one pm, John opens the door to his basement spare 498 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.720 room sees John Bonny's body so pretty wild that it 499 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.599 took him his own father to find the body. It 500 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.960 looks like she had been strangled in her mouth and 501 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.960 neck wrapped covered with duct tape. At John removes the 502 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.440 duct tape, picks up his daughter, and runs screaming upstairs 503 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.759 for everybody. Later on we will be showing I have 504 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.000 video it's about four minutes long of all of the 505 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.599 essentially the crime scene photos, So be prepared for that. 506 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.599 I'll wait till a little later because it's pretty disturbing. 507 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.960 What began as a kidnapping takes up takes a sharp term. 508 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:58.359 This is now a homicide. By bringing upstairs and leaving 509 00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.680 the basement door open. Much of the evidence is tainted. 510 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:08.279 So but to me kind of right, like, oh, John 511 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.599 Maine would have been thirty four right now, Wow, you're 512 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:12.519 literally a year older than me. 513 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:18.119 Uh and uh quick maths. I don't know. 514 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.119 It's it's hard to say how you would react, right 515 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.720 because if it was my kid, right like I would 516 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.279 you be in shock. But then the cops would tell 517 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:30.799 you probably have to touch. 518 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:35.319 Anything, like like they didn't sure, yeah, like they didn't 519 00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.359 secure the house. It was like friends and family and everything. 520 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.000 There's another thing, actually, yeah, don't think you mentioned that 521 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:47.559 they rang all their fucking like friends and all the 522 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.519 We're like, yeah, come over, John man as have been 523 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:50.759 kid to have come on over. 524 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.839 All of this seems I hate the word sus but 525 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.839 it likes to use it. But it's suspect. Finish your words, everybody. 526 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.240 The reason why you don't finish your words because trying 527 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:01.759 dumb us down, because it's part of the the a 528 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.799 Copal's agenda. Okay, to make you dumb. Finish your words, man, 529 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.359 It's okay. Use the English language even though I can't 530 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.160 even I butcher it sometimes and I only need to 531 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.119 speak one language. 532 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.359 You know, but it's weird. Let me play Devil's Advocated 533 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.359 and people are probably gonna thin I'm an absolute scumbag 534 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.279 for like I keep pressing on the fact that they 535 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:25.160 might actually be at fault. But I know if I 536 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.960 had done something to my child, if I was them 537 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.759 and I had done that or whatever, right, and I 538 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.839 wanted to like cover it up and whatever. That's a 539 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.599 really clever thing to do, especially in nineteen ninety six. 540 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:42.359 Oh yeah, because you could technically pass that off as Oh, 541 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.200 I didn't know what to do. I was freaking out. 542 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:46.400 My daughter's gone missing. I find this note. So I 543 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.720 just started ringing people close to me and like needed 544 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.039 people around and I was like freaking out and scared, 545 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.839 and so it's really good, like way, like I suppose 546 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:58.359 contaminate absolutely fucking everything. Yeah, and that's what they like. 547 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:00.920 It's on the police to which, like you know what 548 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.680 I mean, people can say what they want. I'm not 549 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.759 really a fan of police. I think they're just an 550 00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.400 authoritarian boot of the state. They're there to protect property 551 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.039 and actually people, right. So, and then this has happened 552 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.920 so often you will hear it in future episodes that 553 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.599 will cover when it comes to true crime, especially serial killers, 554 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.720 where they don't do their due processing. Oh, it's just 555 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:25.720 you know, that's why you have to have serious people 556 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.839 that take the job seriously, or you're gonna have these 557 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.799 guys that are like stay in no day in the 558 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.119 job and they don't really care about the evidence or 559 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.640 what gets contaminated. They should have sealed off the house, 560 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.960 they should have kicked everybody out. Like there's things that 561 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.119 they should have done that they didn't do. And it's 562 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.880 on the fault of the police to be honest in 563 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.200 this case in particular. Or do you think that there's. 564 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.359 Like an ulterior motive from the police, or do you 565 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.079 think it's the fact that like they're just that incompetent 566 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:56.799 and like don't know how to deal with this. 567 00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.599 God knows, man, he was a rich guy. He was 568 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.359 involved Lucky Martin and stuff. So I don't know, there's 569 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.240 something like John was John Ramsey's. I don't know, there's 570 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.839 something really weird about all this whole thing. You know, 571 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.599 it was an a ritual, you know. 572 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.000 I don't know. 573 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:16.240 Man. 574 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.359 The further I look into like conspiracy stuff and like 575 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.000 some of the stuff that's been going on, I don't know. 576 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:23.559 The more I'm like, I question. 577 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.839 Like literally everything, uh and and don't trust anything, right, 578 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:31.759 So the family goes to the Boulder Police station. I 579 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.319 remember when it happened, the media leaned into the parents 580 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.240 as the bad guys. Yeah, I'm trying to keep it open, Mike, 581 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:37.720 I know, because there's a you gotta look at it 582 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.640 a fresh look, you know. And and the letter does 583 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.000 implicate that it was someone close because they're like really 584 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.720 trying to like push John and stuff like that. So, 585 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.519 you know, the family goes to the Boulder Police station. 586 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.200 They're willingly give their hair, blood and hand written samples. 587 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.279 The next day, Ramseys go back to the former hometown 588 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.160 of Atlanta and preparations for John Benet's funeral. Six year 589 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:04.720 old is laid to rest in Manrita George Usher, next 590 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.599 to her older half sister Elizabeth, who died in a 591 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.759 car accident in nineteen ninety two, a little like I 592 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.680 don't know about two hundred family members and frands. The 593 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:18.480 ceremony at the family's old church. January first, nineteen ninety seven, 594 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.599 John and Patsy give a New Year's Date interview. John 595 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:26.160 Beney's parents, who hired lawyers and private investigators to give 596 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.599 a very difficult, forty five minute long interview to CNN 597 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.000 from Atlanta, where they now are staying with family, while 598 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.319 Bolder police have been reassuring the community there wasn't a 599 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.839 murderer on the run. They don't like to cost panic. 600 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.279 But how would you know that, Patsy sait on television 601 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.880 there is a killer loose. If it was a resident 602 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.200 of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep keep 603 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.480 your babies close to someone out there. She was a 604 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.359 very hysterical woman and if there's some really suspect stuff 605 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.200 about her, you know it is. 606 00:33:59.319 --> 00:33:59.920 It's weird. 607 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.000 I didn't want to grab to any interviews with them 608 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:03.920 because everyone if you want to hear some of the 609 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:06.519 there's very long interviews online. Like I was gonna bring 610 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.000 some of those, but it's not necessary because you can 611 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:10.840 all look this up on YouTube if you want to know, 612 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.039 Like there's literally the full interviews of them, whatever they've 613 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:18.079 done television appearances. She added, America suffering because we have 614 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.280 lost faith in the American family. Oh, that's very true 615 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.559 now more than ever, citing the examples of the mystery 616 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:25.599 of what happened to O. J. 617 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:26.199 Simpson. 618 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:30.159 We're all Christian, God fearing families, We love our children, 619 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.320 We do anything for our children. Set protecting from foreign 620 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:38.400 invaders more and than politics always can slip in this more. 621 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.920 In nine to ninety nine's murder case f Lee, Bailey 622 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.960 stands and looks left. OJ holds his fist in front 623 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.480 of him and looks left. Johnny Cochran and stands and 624 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:55.360 looks left. All three men wearing suits with ties. A 625 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:59.119 timeline on O. J. Simpson's murder Oh, around the same 626 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.360 time O J. Simpsons Interesting eventually maybe would get into 627 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.519 Lie Lyle and Eric Mendez at some point because that 628 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.920 just came out too like I would cover them just 629 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.559 to do our own spin on it. Strange Brew does 630 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.920 do its own kind of thing when it comes to 631 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.199 especially true crime. That's literally what we're labeled as true 632 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:18.280 crime and comedy. So inside of a courtroom, a wooden table, 633 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.679 face down, Lyle's wearing a blue prison outfit. Eric is 634 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.320 wearing a great prison outfit with long white T shirts. 635 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.119 It's this idea about what was going on at the time, right, 636 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.840 there was a lot of this thing of you know, 637 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.199 murderers and our people innocent are the guilty. OJ was 638 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:36.960 one thousand percent guilty he put the glove on, like 639 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.360 this mean biller were talking about your the Halloween special. 640 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.559 It's like he I would cover that at some point too. 641 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.800 I think it would be fascinating to cover at some 642 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.679 especially more of the conspiracy. 643 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:49.960 Sides of that stuff. 644 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:54.679 Nineteen ninety seven, investigators follow the family to Georgia. A 645 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.559 team of five detectives from Boulder fly to Woodland at 646 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:01.599 Courtney CNN. Investigators were shocked that the Ramseys granted TV 647 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.920 interviews since they claimed to be too emotional to talk 648 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.559 to the police. Very strange. They searched for clues in Georgia. 649 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:09.119 Days later. 650 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:14.519 Authorities also searched the Ramsey's vacation home in Michigan January third, 651 00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.400 nineteen ninety seven. Detectives revealed the ransom note was written 652 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.760 inside the house, which you know, it's just bizarre in 653 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:26.440 general and meaning likely it was written after the murder. 654 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:31.559 The same day John and Patsy returned to Boulder. Yeah, like, 655 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.519 and there's a lot of weird shit, isn't there where 656 00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:37.840 It's like they said that it was written on a 657 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.440 notepad that came from the house, and it was also 658 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.599 other pages had been torn out of us and it 659 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.440 was like they got the impression like it wasn't the 660 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:53.559 first draft of the ransom notes, and just like that 661 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:55.880 seems weird, Yeah, because you'd see the inference on the 662 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.800 paper and stuff too, So like just think about that 663 00:36:58.880 --> 00:36:59.440 for a second. 664 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:03.199 Right, Let's say, mean you break in or whatever and 665 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.000 we kill her and we're going to like stage just 666 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.320 ransomthing and then we're gonna stand in the house like 667 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.400 fucking Harry and matterv Oh yeah, I just watched that 668 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.559 and write a fucking two and a half page ransom 669 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.719 letter Like what was it again? They I did have 670 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.119 it here somewhere, like the specifics of it, but they 671 00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.440 had like after looking at how many words and how 672 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.239 long it was, it was a two and a half 673 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.400 letter ransom note, and they reckoned it would have taken 674 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:35.599 a certain amount of time. I can't remember exactly how 675 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:42.719 long to have written the ransom note, which is like 676 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.880 what you're going to stand in the house that you've 677 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.880 committed the crime in and write the thing? 678 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.840 It makes no sense and you would I like telling 679 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.239 embarrassing stories about myself. 680 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.559 It's it's come natural on the show just before just 681 00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.719 before you get into that, like just to finish my 682 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.360 talk and I'll forget it. Yeah, it just seems really 683 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.119 weird how someone who could be that dumb in the 684 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.400 sense of like can't seem to spell properly have to 685 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.760 like scribbles grammar and stuff like yeah, like terrible, and 686 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:14.840 they're like adding words in above it and ship like 687 00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:18.000 that scribbling and yeah, and then they were reckon on 688 00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.000 top of that that that was like the second or 689 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.280 third time that whoever done it tried to write it, 690 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.719 and they've done it, and they done it in the 691 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.079 house right, and just the whole like plan they have 692 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:30.719 as well, it sounds like something a child would come 693 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.239 up with. And then you're telling me though that the 694 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.000 same people or person that's done that has been clever 695 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.280 enough to not have gotten caught for the last what 696 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.400 hard years. I know. 697 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.840 Even this photo is really weird. How old was the brother? 698 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.679 So this is other just around the time that she 699 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.079 was murdered, So I'm figuring I think he was like 700 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.480 eight or something like that. 701 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:54.440 That's just my guess. 702 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.320 And yeah, like I was just laughing at like the 703 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.000 idea of like the imprint, you know what I mean, 704 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.119 the imprint on like a book or whatever. When I 705 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:12.519 was young, I was I was like I'll continue. I 706 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.119 was like, I don't know eight and I wrote a 707 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.360 letter to the Olsen Twins and it was imprinted in 708 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.519 this Wolverine book that I had for literally years where 709 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.360 I could kind of make out what I was writing, 710 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.559 like literally when I was like a teenager. I found 711 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:30.280 it and I was like, man, it's such a loser, 712 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:31.639 so cringey. 713 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.320 Man, it's so funny. Actually, if my grandmother found a 714 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:40.559 recipe book thing she had and she found some like 715 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.760 bullshit like that that I had written, and I literally 716 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:46.280 she was like what Stace and I just took it 717 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.000 off and I just tore it into him in pieces, 718 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:49.800 like I can't even know the whole thing. I was like, 719 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.800 just so embarrassing, you know. 720 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.679 I was like, I was like, I think when I 721 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:55.800 was like eight, I was like in love with the 722 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:56.480 Olsen Twins. 723 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:01.880 Now just the not the last comment. A couple of 724 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.199 counts back, someone asked about handwriting analysis. Okay, yeah, yeah, 725 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.400 so yeah, just to kind of I suppose clear that up. 726 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.719 That was why Patsy was like a suspect for a 727 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.840 lot of people. There was a lot of similarities between 728 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:23.719 her handwriting actually and the note. But they say that 729 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:30.000 the handwriting analysis was inconclusive. It was her pad and 730 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.280 pen obviously, which suggests that it was written inside the house. 731 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.960 The overly theatrical nature of the letter, with phrases like 732 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.360 victory and small foreign faction, which seemed extremely melodramatic, which 733 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.440 also kind of leans into supposedly how she would behave 734 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.679 a lot. She kind of looks crazy, man, Yeah, she does. 735 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.400 Kind of inconsistencies in time. People argue that the len 736 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.599 and content of the letter were excessive for someone supposedly 737 00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.800 in the middle of a kidnapping or a murder. Why 738 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.480 would a kidnapper take the time to write such a 739 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.800 detailed two and a half page note inside the. 740 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:10.280 Yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense. Man, weird man, 741 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.679 I like this whole thing is so strange. Yeah, almost ten, 742 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:19.480 So almost ten. Burke was almost ten. That's his fun name. Yeah, 743 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.559 so the Worke was almost ten. That makes sense. He's 744 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.639 a weird character. We'll get to him later. 745 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.440 But yeah. Her handwriting was deemed similar but not a 746 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:37.079 conclusive match, and John Ramsey and other family members were 747 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.719 also put under hand right analysis and we're all ruled 748 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.360 out as the authors. However, in the note appeared to 749 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.320 have been written deliberately, with many corrections and inconsistent slants, 750 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.079 suggesting that it was written to try and obscure the 751 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:51.119 true author's style. 752 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.519 Yeah, because like they can like analyze that stuff too, right, 753 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.519 it's correct. They can like look at this stuff and 754 00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.840 be like hah, like you know if I wrote with 755 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.360 my left him, what would it look like? 756 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:04.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, like there's a little weird or something 757 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:05.280 that like. 758 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.079 Yeah, because it's not I don't think of it as 759 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.880 Burke because people questioned if Burke was the one that 760 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.079 did it or did he do it? We'll get well, 761 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.159 we'll get to all the theories at the end, but 762 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.079 did he do it? And then Patsy wrote the letter 763 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:22.719 because they were like I'll freak it out, like you. 764 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.400 Know what I mean? Yeah, like I mean then then 765 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.480 also like the references from like Darty Harry and that 766 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:33.039 movie Ransom, so like phrase if we catch you talking 767 00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:36.519 to a straight dog, she dies, that's like nearly mirroring 768 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.159 lines from Darty Harry, And a lot of people feel 769 00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.159 like that was another thing that was like they took 770 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.840 stuff from pop culture to try and like stay just 771 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.920 aren't scene or whatever so weird. 772 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:54.960 So yeah, the Ransom note comes out evidence the alibi 773 00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.719 for John Andrew, John Bennet's older half brother is examined. 774 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.960 He and John Bonnay's half sister, Melinda, were out of 775 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.800 town when the youngest siblings were killed and when they 776 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.679 arrived in Colorado Shore that's hearing the news. The next month, 777 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.840 police clear both suspects. We just talked about the handwritten analysis. 778 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:19.119 So while the Colorado Colorado Bureau of Investigation had already 779 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.639 conducted a DNA test, a second one was completed by 780 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.679 Maryland's cell Mark Laboratories, according to Denver Post nearly six 781 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:30.679 weeks later. Sources report that there's no surprises in the 782 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.360 results of the DNA, but don't provide specifics because there 783 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.920 was there was DNA found. I'm pretty sure inside of 784 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.039 her vagina. I'm pretty sure. 785 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:52.559 Yeah, Wow, Yeah it was that. Yeah, there was definitely 786 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:59.159 some weird weird ship there, like the unidentified male DNA 787 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.639 on her underwear. Yeah, the possibility of the stung gun 788 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.480 have been used on her. Yeah, we'll get to that. 789 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.760 And I think that actually when they've done the autopsy, 790 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:17.239 there was like signs of like prior ongoing like sexual abuse. 791 00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.880 Yeah, I don't know, and I'm like I don't. 792 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.760 Know, which is also just like like are all these 793 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.159 things just coincidental? 794 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.519 But I like, then wouldn't that be the case if 795 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.320 it if it was the parents or someone close to them, 796 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.400 it's always a close family member, right Like. 797 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.480 Now, it could be just right, it could be just 798 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.519 really unlucky that the girl managed to get like killed 799 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:47.519 or whatever by some random lunatic or outside source while 800 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:51.679 she was in the process of being brought to beauty 801 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.800 pageants and then fucked by her dad. Yeah, like it 802 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.400 could be just really unfortunate and just had like you know, 803 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.039 a series of a fortunate events, but like it does 804 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.039 seem a bit coincidental. 805 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:04.880 And Jim Carrey is not there cracking jokes, so. 806 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.679 Yeah that they wouldn't fucking you know, I don't know 807 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.719 that just your parents are exposing it to this stuff 808 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.800 and then all this weird stuff comes out like the 809 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.719 brothers a weird though, and like dad is like super 810 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.880 connected and kind of weird, and the murther it just 811 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:20.880 seems like, I don't know, there's something about the Muther 812 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.480 that really sets me off from like il iron bells 813 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.199 are like okay. 814 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.559 So let's just I'll show let's s a clip of 815 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.039 her in her pageantry stuff because just the kids we're 816 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.360 bringing it up, it's very weird. 817 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:32.440 Name and how. 818 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:32.880 Old you are? 819 00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:34.679 My name is john name? 820 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.079 And they have. 821 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:50.880 Okay, okay, what is your favorite animal around? 822 00:46:28.760 --> 00:47:06.880 No, I don't know what's with the weird Asian music, 823 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.599 but like, okay, think about this too, write what I will, 824 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.800 Like I collaborate some of the videos of her being 825 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.920 in your pathantry and stuff like that, And I was like, 826 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.480 why is it this thing where she like takes off 827 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.719 articles of clothing and then kind of like holds them 828 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.960 up and then you know what I mean? Like that 829 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.280 to me is very weird, Like why is that a thing? 830 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.599 It's and and then then like the the the fucking 831 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.840 caked on makeup and the earrings and trying to make 832 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.920 children look like adults is very strange to me. 833 00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:45.039 Yeah, Like I I just don't know if I can, like, 834 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:52.320 I don't think there's any argument that like you can 835 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.880 make me be like oh yeah cool. 836 00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:58.159 I know, I'm sure we'll get to that. The body 837 00:47:58.199 --> 00:47:59.440 was wiped down, redressed. 838 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.920 Does anyone know she went that the Christmas as she 839 00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:07.840 was wearing winter glows clothes? Arcessful the DNA, I mean like, 840 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.559 but just the stuff like look, unidentified male DNA on 841 00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.800 her underwear. Now right, here's another thing. So a lot 842 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:18.199 of people would would take that and go right, okay, 843 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:22.360 So that obviously means that another man was involved in 844 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:26.960 her murder, not necessarily, because that just may mean that 845 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.519 her parents were basically pimping her out to neighbors or 846 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:33.800 friends whatever, these creepy fucking parties god knows, men. You know, 847 00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:37.840 that doesn't necessarily mean again another Really, if I was 848 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.719 going to be really clever and like murder my own 849 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.480 child or do something, there's a lot of like things 850 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:45.440 here that line up. So at my friends into the 851 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.199 house to ruin the fucking yeah yeah, grime scene. There's 852 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.280 I already know there's going to be signs of sexual 853 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.760 assault on her and like other men's DNA that's not mine, 854 00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.159 So that's fine. I can let them find that, you 855 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:00.880 know what I mean. There's just like nobody seemed to 856 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.119 did they ever really get asked any of these questions though, 857 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:05.440 like what's the story? Like why should show signs of 858 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.719 sexual abuse? Why is there a man's DNA in her underwear? 859 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.000 Can can you explain it? 860 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.400 That's even what It's funny because it's even what her 861 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.199 own father said, right, and that clipped to put play 862 00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.639 at the beginning of like yeah, like it's the only 863 00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:21.280 thing that's like, there's DNA, but yet it was never 864 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.239 solved through DNA, even though like they found the Golden 865 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.280 I think that's who it is. Eventually would be interesting 866 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.880 to talk about as the Golden State killer. They found 867 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:34.239 his DNA. He had his DNA was on whatever certain victims, 868 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:36.639 and they didn't find him till he was like in 869 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.719 his eighties, I think because his daughter did ancestry dot 870 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.039 com or something that his granddaughter did ancestry dot com 871 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.199 some like crazy story like that, and they found him 872 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.679 through that, which is so crazy. So and this is 873 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:54.199 when around April nineteenninightty seven is the parents become suspects, 874 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.320 prime suspects in the investigation cord to ci and obviously 875 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.760 the focus is on these people. Ball Boulder District Attorney 876 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:07.239 Alex Hunter says April thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven, So they 877 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.079 questioned the parents. John Banay's parents are formally interviewed by 878 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:14.159 the police for the first time since the daughter's murder. 879 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.000 The Johns interview lasted two hours while Patsy's lasted six 880 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.400 and a half. Their new statements replaced the initial ones 881 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:29.400 they made right after the murder. Very strange, so crazy. 882 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.360 I can't remember much about the case, this case. It 883 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.760 has been a long time. Yeah, it's yeah. I appreciate 884 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.239 anyone that does two NATS because we're covering, you know, 885 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.960 stuff that I the Netflix thinking and I was like, yeah, 886 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:43.679 we should cover this. I've always wanted to do it, 887 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.519 and I want to do it justice. We're a debating 888 00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:46.960 on doing two parts, but I was like, no, we 889 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.880 can cover this in one part. I hate doing two parties. 890 00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.360 Aaron knows that I would. I'll be amped up for 891 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:56.440 four hours. He seen, he saws it, he sees it. 892 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:57.480 We did. 893 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:01.480 We did Jimmy Saville and I was at the end, 894 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:04.159 still amped up four and a half hours later. 895 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.440 Yeah, it all depends on the source material. Litink for me, 896 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.440 like something like Jimmy Satellite in mine because we all 897 00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:11.480 dressed like Jimmy. 898 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.079 If you guys have never seen the episode, it's wild. 899 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.239 We literally dressed up like Jimmy's house. So bad, so 900 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.840 poor taste, but it was fun. It's so crazy because 901 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:22.840 as I did a billion we covered Richard Ramirez. I 902 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:26.360 was like, it's you have to make We're laughing way 903 00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.000 more than we should be, but like it's it's because 904 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.280 I have to make light of these dark situations. Like 905 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.119 and I always take that quote from your old Irish granny, 906 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:35.639 it's like, if you're not laughing, you're crying. 907 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:37.760 Right. This is definitely one. 908 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:43.639 Of the the the most significant cold cases, like most famous, 909 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.480 I feel, right. So John and Patsy speak to the 910 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.159 media nine in May. The second uh they sit on 911 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.400 a sofa together and hold hands and you know, and they. 912 00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.199 Print up this poster. I think it's this image. 913 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:00.840 Where they're like, you know, if that anyone knows about 914 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.760 her daughter and her whereabouts. Honestly, it's sad. One hundred 915 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:09.159 grand reward. It's sad, but like I don't know, most 916 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.480 times in this case, if it's been this long. 917 00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:16.039 They're really well, were really like twisted the knife if 918 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.840 they hadn't made a reward one hundred and eighteen dollars, Yeah, 919 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:19.639 so fucked. 920 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:25.519 So John and Patsy gave multiple high profile interviews in 921 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:27.559 the year after the daughter's death. Very weird, the victim 922 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.159 parents tooked to local news and pressed John stumbles over 923 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:34.480 his body his daughter's name and addresses the rumors of 924 00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:40.280 her possibly being sexually molested, calling those most hurtful innuendos. 925 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.360 Patsy says, I'm appalled that anyone would think that John 926 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:45.920 or I would be involved as. 927 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.679 Such a horrendous and hideous crime. But let me assure 928 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.320 you I did not kill John bennet. 929 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:53.960 Son. 930 00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:56.320 Know again, it sounds like a pre rehearse, like here's 931 00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.400 your speech, and she's even dressed like the first Lady 932 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:01.079 or something. What's going on with that? 933 00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.079 Yeah, everyone just chirping me for that. Fuck up. Yeah, 934 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.400 for some reason, I can't read money or last names. 935 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.880 We and Billy did an episode about Villains of History. 936 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.480 It's now on Patreon. I was reading like dates wrong 937 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.400 and shit, this is when we were drinking very heavily. 938 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.000 I was like ten eighty two, Like we're just like 939 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.199 I was like one thousand and eighty two. I was like, 940 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.000 fucking it all up, and I'm like, this happens, man, 941 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.639 We're free formed. So and then John Patsy and their 942 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:33.119 son Burke returned to Atlanta for good, where with the 943 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:38.280 former Beauty Queen's belongings in tow autopsy reports the previous 944 00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:41.760 sealed autopsy results are released the corner of the terms 945 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.199 John bin A was strangled to death. Among other injuries, 946 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.079 she suffered a eight point five inch skull fracture and 947 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.239 showed signs of sexual assault. This included blood abrasions and 948 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:56.719 bruising in the vaginal area. So fucked up man, and 949 00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:01.280 the addition to the deep ligature on on her neck, 950 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.320 jovian A had on her right wrist. Records also indicate 951 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.079 the girl had bruises and marks on her shoulders, legs 952 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:15.000 and feet. Everybody, it's about to get disturbing, so sit tight. 953 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.280 We'll talk about that. That is that is coming. She 954 00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.320 became Katy Perry and do a side by side. We're 955 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.719 gonna get to the crazy conspiracies at the end, don't 956 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:28.000 you worry. So let's play this disturbing video so I can. 957 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:29.760 Pee h. 958 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:48.320 Child hu. 959 00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.000 Oh six years old? 960 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.800 Si se phones and. 961 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:27.119 Pretty name is something you read. 962 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:38.800 Don't grow brave, John, don't get caught talking to a 963 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:44.760 stray dog. Look about him around back. 964 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.159 Have you only fad cat around? 965 00:55:51.760 --> 00:56:00.639 So don't think killing it will be difficult, John, because 966 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.159 the American dream got bad. 967 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.360 You've got murdering a small child. 968 00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:06.639 It's absolutely perfect. For today. 969 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:14.079 Time and my special lie blankets. 970 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.679 Have colored my mouth and. 971 00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:26.360 Dwell lay down in the lisel of my father's house. 972 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:35.320 Silent spends a girl. These stories will become too. 973 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:40.400 Heavy to a year. Your your face. 974 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:48.679 Simple of him, then savable face even after years. Today 975 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.280 they wasn't crossination. 976 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.719 But it's a wonderful child. 977 00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:12.000 Such a tragedy. John could done everything right to save me. 978 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:17.280 It's a shame. 979 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:18.760 Let me. 980 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:29.519 The world you call me pretty. 981 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:34.880 The video of John Bennet's performances was aired and re 982 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:39.400 aired on stations across the country. 983 00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:59.360 Nine uncollumanacks tied the Science Decide his friend it was so. 984 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.960 I was a child by Queen. 985 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:38.760 Child be nay. Event made me. 986 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:59.400 Pretty six years old, SI seven falls made me. 987 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:09.639 That that song was giving me chills. Man, Yeah, I 988 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:11.400 was just gonna say, what the fuck was that? 989 00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.639 Somebody is obsessed with John in a Ramsey on YouTube 990 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.760 and they have like a bunch of stuff like this. Uh, 991 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.360 it's very creepy for all the ide listeners, Like it's 992 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.000 we're just showing all the all the crime scene evidence 993 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.039 and it's it's like disturbing, right. 994 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:30.400 Uh. 995 00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.920 The thing tied around her neck is just fucked up 996 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:34.960 to see that stuff. 997 00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.159 Yeahs it like pretty grim, right. 998 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:40.800 Yeah, people, you know we were this is somebody did 999 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:43.559 this to a child, And this stuff happens a lot 1000 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:47.119 more often than people want to admit, and we just 1001 00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.559 keep passing it by, you know, we just keep Oh 1002 00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:54.760 you know, it's rough men, it's crazy too for people 1003 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:57.679 not to understand how uh yeah, this goes beyond just 1004 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.440 one child. This happens almost every day. 1005 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:00.800 You know. 1006 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.519 The person that created the amber alert system was Gislaine 1007 01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.519 Maxwell's sister. So if you start quite if you're if 1008 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:12.119 they actually did the they actually did, if you have 1009 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.079 your phone, actually, if that site actually worked, if if 1010 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:17.559 the amberlets actually worked, your phone would be going off 1011 01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:18.320 every two minutes. 1012 01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.079 That song is mad creepy though, dude, we ever made 1013 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:23.119 that song? 1014 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:24.360 Ye? 1015 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:24.719 Right? 1016 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.920 Actually? But yeah, umberger thing because if that is the case, 1017 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.920 then it should be going off every two seconds. Because 1018 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.880 last year alone, four one hundred and fifty six thousand 1019 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.519 kids went missing in the United States. So that's the 1020 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:42.119 reported ones. I know, if you were to do the 1021 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:46.599 mats on that right, yep, how many times would that 1022 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.639 have to go off? I know? All right, So it's uh, 1023 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:54.280 it's very disturbing. 1024 01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:58.320 After a question uh several neighbors I am about owning 1025 01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.599 a stun gun, A lawyer for the Ramsey's tell reports 1026 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:05.679 that the family isn't surprised and never had such weapon. 1027 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.360 We have known about the use of a stun gun 1028 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.119 in this murder for many months, Raquel Zimmer says, according 1029 01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:16.079 to Los Angeles Times, at the request of law enforcement authorities, 1030 01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:19.079 we have no previous We have not previously disclosed it. 1031 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:22.719 Police refuse to comment. The police refuse to comment. 1032 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:23.079 The thing. 1033 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.480 There's so many weird things of this whole case. Man 1034 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:30.440 h January fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight. The Ramseys refuse interview 1035 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:36.960 with authorities. Ramsees are asked to review evidence before giving 1036 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:41.559 more interviews to the police. The request is rejected, according 1037 01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:44.400 to the Denver Post, which is interesting because it's like, 1038 01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:48.920 when can you force them if they involved, especially in 1039 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:53.440 a murder. I get other things, but especially like a murder, 1040 01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:57.440 right so. And then January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety eight, 1041 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:02.679 John and Patsy submit their clothes they were wearing. They 1042 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.480 could have washed them a million times before this. The police, 1043 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:07.880 the police fuck ups on this shit. 1044 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:08.559 It's like wild. 1045 01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:10.880 Two months after the police requested that the parents hand 1046 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.280 over the clothes they were wearing of the night of 1047 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:17.800 the crime. Ramsey's turn into turn in two shirts and 1048 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:21.599 a pair of pants and a sweater. Grand Jury investigation 1049 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:26.760 March tenth, nineteen ninety eight. DA Hunter considers a grand 1050 01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:30.480 jury investigation with the police department's list of items to 1051 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:34.920 be accomplished narrowing. The accomplishment's narrowing. The issue of a 1052 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.840 grand jury is more serious topic and this is being 1053 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:42.840 giving serious considerations. Border District Attorney Alex Hunter tells the 1054 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:47.800 Denver Post a grand jury offers the option of subpoenaing 1055 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.400 subpoenaing the witnesses in a murder case that is now 1056 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:57.239 fifteen months old. June third, nineteen ninety eight, Evidence evidential 1057 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:03.559 investigation continues the case. Lead investigator Mark Beckner says that 1058 01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:08.800 their significant results from the thousand the one thousand and 1059 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:12.039 fifty eight pieces of evidence taken from the home. Details 1060 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.239 aren't shared in nineteen. In June nineteen ninety eight, John 1061 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:19.199 Benet's brother, Burke is questioned. John Benet's older brother, Burke, 1062 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:20.800 who is nine at the time of the crime, is 1063 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:23.679 questioned for the first time in Atlanta he is now eleven. 1064 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.920 A retired FBI agent previously told The New York Times 1065 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.199 that the murder was too sophisticated for a child to commit. 1066 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:35.280 Additional prosecutors separately, separate. Jeez, christ Man, I can't talk 1067 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.840 rate it. They questioned him separately. 1068 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:39.760 John N. Patsy. 1069 01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:41.800 So, I don't know why they would be questioning him 1070 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:45.360 together in the first place. If they did do that, 1071 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:49.480 I know, it's like, what's wrong with people? Really nice house, 1072 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.760 they obviously had money. People suck. My daughter was a 1073 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.760 couple of years old when it happened. At the time. Yeah, 1074 01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.239 I would have, Yeah, I would have. I wouldn't been 1075 01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:59.960 able to look at that stuff or even pay attention 1076 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:01.639 in the case, especially if you had a daughter around 1077 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:02.119 the same age. 1078 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:03.519 It would be too disturbing. 1079 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.000 So and then in July nineteen ninety eight, documentary features 1080 01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.000 interviews with John and Patsy. Avoiding the public comment for 1081 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.119 many months, John and Patsy participate in a documentary about 1082 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:18.079 their daughter's murder, The Case of John Bennet, The Media 1083 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.639 versus the Ramsey Airs in the United Kingdom and investigators. 1084 01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:24.920 It's critical of the media's coverage of the case and 1085 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.559 later is broadcast in the States in September. In August sixth, 1086 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:33.679 nineteen ninety eight, Denver detective Steve Thomas resigns, calling this 1087 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.400 case crippled. And then in August nineteenth, nineteen ninety eight, 1088 01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:41.679 White asked the DA to be dismissed. And that's I 1089 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.679 think their friend, the family friend Fleet White asked to 1090 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.159 have someone other than Hunter assigned to John Benet's case. 1091 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:53.119 So there is a detective that I find really weird. 1092 01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:59.880 It's a female detective. I I guess that sex. 1093 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:00.639 Uh. 1094 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:07.599 I think that that sometimes females emotions can out rule logic. 1095 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.440 And that's just because they're very empathetic creatures to begin with, 1096 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:18.800 not creatures but things of this world, you know. But 1097 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:21.360 I I do think that is the case, right, And 1098 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:26.039 I stated this that you know, I'm not gonna go anything, 1099 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:31.280 but I EI there's I have questions about why what 1100 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.920 people should be be doing and stuff. 1101 01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:35.920 Crazy. 1102 01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.480 I wish I could stick around. Yeah, it's it's all good, man, 1103 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:41.800 It's all good. Everybody joining the live. I appreciate you 1104 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:43.960 guys popping your heads and stuff like that. So I 1105 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:48.920 just want to play a clip of this. Let me 1106 01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:52.440 bring that back up. Love the coffee cup, though, thanks 1107 01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:53.880 and keeping me entertained. 1108 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:56.519 I don't know, is it. 1109 01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:01.360 I wonder if it is or did he buy one 1110 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.639 from our site? Who knows you can buy merch stranger 1111 01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:08.000 podcast dot com? Who knows if he's talking to his 1112 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:10.840 homie in the chat. But uh so, we'll play a 1113 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:12.559 clip if I had to just get a little bit 1114 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:14.639 of this. This was like one of the lead detectives. 1115 01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:17.840 She's like, I think, just something's wrong with the John. 1116 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.000 I can feel it, Like I remember I saw her 1117 01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:22.800 on the Netflix documentary and I was like, there's something 1118 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:27.199 crazy about this lady. Okay, just watch your mannerisms, watch 1119 01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:28.840 your eyes. This lady is nuts. 1120 01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:37.360 A nonverbal exchanged that I will never forget. And he 1121 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:41.199 asked if she was dead, and I said, yes, she's dead, 1122 01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:46.920 and I told him to go back to the room, 1123 01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:51.760 into the online one one And as we looked at 1124 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:56.840 each other, I remember and a war shoulder holster tucking 1125 01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:01.840 my gun right next to me and consciously counting, I've 1126 01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:02.800 got eighteen bullets. 1127 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:05.840 Why did you do that? 1128 01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:09.079 Because I didn't know if we'd all be alive when 1129 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:15.599 people showed up. I'd said everything made sense in that instance, and. 1130 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:19.480 I knew what happened. 1131 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.039 Do you think your fear was well founded? 1132 01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:23.280 You bet, I do. 1133 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.639 There's no doubt in my mind to this day. 1134 01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:30.639 Never wavered you were afraid because you thought the killer 1135 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:31.559 was still in the house. 1136 01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:39.000 I knew it, absolutely absolutely. 1137 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:45.400 I Uh. 1138 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:49.239 She seems very suspect, like her eyes, like she seems 1139 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.559 like she's too involved in the case, and like and 1140 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:54.760 being very melodramatic of like. 1141 01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:58.000 I remember counting the bullets in my gun. You know, 1142 01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:01.840 I don't made you know, this just seems very weird, 1143 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:04.079 you know what I mean? 1144 01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.400 Yeah, she does section on drugs or something, but I know, 1145 01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.559 I'm like, so like this one, I'm like, how can 1146 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:13.440 you be responsible for the way like her mouth? She's like, 1147 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:19.319 I know everyone's on drugs nowadays, so God knows right. 1148 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.640 So originally the Ramsey said that Burke was asleep the 1149 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.880 morning his sister was discovered missing and didn't wake up 1150 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:26.680 until police arrived. 1151 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.840 Whoever, the nine one one tape has. 1152 01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:34.359 Been enhanced enhanced en Haands Brooke's voice is reportedly that 1153 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:39.279 day could hear him in the background. September fifteenth, nineteen 1154 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:43.640 ninety eight, the grand jury begins their investigation. Stember twenty fourth, 1155 01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:49.000 nineteen ninety eight. Another detective quits, setting too much folks 1156 01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:52.359 on the Ramsey parents. Homicide Detective loose Smitt quits and 1157 01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:56.119 says in his resignation letter, a very, a very dangerous 1158 01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:58.880 killer is still out there. This gives the Ramseys fuel 1159 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.479 they need to convince the authorities to shift the focus 1160 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:06.039 of the investigation. October thirteenth, nineteen ninety eight, the grand 1161 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:10.680 jury focuses on They begin like hearing the forensic evidence. 1162 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:15.640 December third, nineteen ninety eight. More family DNA is collected. 1163 01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.920 January twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine. A teddy bear takes 1164 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:24.000 center stage. Investigators appeal to the online community try to 1165 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:27.279 find the information about the Santa Claus teddy bear that 1166 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.840 portably was found in John Beney's bedroom. They hope to 1167 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.399 find maybe the manufacturer who sold it. That's such a 1168 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:37.760 strange thing, But you. 1169 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:40.960 Know, is is that misdirection though, being like, yeah, let's 1170 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:45.439 focus on this bullshit that doesn't mean any Yeah, yeah, 1171 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.920 there's some Oh man, this whole thing is so right. 1172 01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:51.279 Let met us just to recap for a second before 1173 01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:56.399 we go any further in the story. So they go 1174 01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:03.840 home from this party, this Christmas party, Yeah, and everybody 1175 01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:04.640 goes to bed, right. 1176 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.079 Yeah, that's the that's the idea of what they claim. 1177 01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:13.239 Okay, so at some point then, if if we're going 1178 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:18.319 by like their version or like the official whatever, at 1179 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.079 some point in the night, then somebody gets into the 1180 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:27.840 house yeah is that right, and takes her from her room, 1181 01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:33.399 murders her and sexually assault her and puts her down 1182 01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:37.119 in the basement. That's yeah, that's where they then comes 1183 01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.680 back up into the kitchen two and a half day's 1184 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.800 letter and then leaves without leaving any other evidence. Right, 1185 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:47.960 and then they wake up and go, oh my god, 1186 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:51.680 a letter. Cal whoa, it's me the mother, and do 1187 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:56.520 all that ship the police come and then after all that, 1188 01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:00.159 the dad is like, oh look, wow, I found her 1189 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:03.600 dead body. Weird, yeah, out of nowhere. 1190 01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.319 He like goes to check the basement. Like all this 1191 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:08.880 stuff is so suspect. 1192 01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:12.600 Man, just very weird. Like it's a very weird, and 1193 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.439 like they must have been really really good to be 1194 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.840 able to get into that house and kill her in 1195 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:22.199 there without anybody waking up. For like here right a 1196 01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:24.239 half there was a funny there. 1197 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:27.439 There was a funny old lady on the Netflix dock 1198 01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.760 where they showed this clip and it's like and she's like, 1199 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.800 look at her thrust playing the saxophone, and she's like 1200 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:38.239 just like dancing, and it doesn't seem like there's any 1201 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:40.319 sexual Did you watch the Netflix one? 1202 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:42.399 Yeah, okay, it didn't seem like. 1203 01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:44.920 I thought that old lady was reaching a bit though, 1204 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.680 Like with some of the stuff, I'm like, yeah, that 1205 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:51.239 like you see wholesome to me whatever. I don't think 1206 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:52.800 they need to doll them up, but like you heard 1207 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:56.359 just playing a saxophone and you know, an address. This 1208 01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:00.560 stuff like this is what makes me be like, all right, 1209 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:04.640 you're making a prime season for predators on your daughter, 1210 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:05.359 you know what I mean. 1211 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:08.840 It's just yeah, it's just it's just a step too 1212 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.760 far for me. I just can't imagine myself being like, yes, this. 1213 01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.960 Is a really good idea, especially amount of people that 1214 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:18.800 were bringing from countries that have child brides. Man. People 1215 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:22.159 need to be very hold your kids close, man, because 1216 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.720 the type of people that were bringing into the Western 1217 01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:29.439 world are literally will do horrible things. 1218 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.359 To these children and then chop our heads off in 1219 01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:34.479 the process, and. 1220 01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:35.880 Then cost racist while they do it. 1221 01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:41.760 Welcome to Ireland or England. Sorry, or Canada sorry. 1222 01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:47.439 Or Sweden or fucking Netherlands or fuck everywhere literally, so 1223 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.800 they start to with like they get the Tayporar trial. 1224 01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:55.720 Yet another detective resigns. Linda Arnett, I think it might 1225 01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.800 be that crazy lady because of all the criticism over 1226 01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:03.279 the initial investigation, because like I presume, she probably was 1227 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:05.239 being a little too emotional. 1228 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:08.079 Burke is no longer the suspect. 1229 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:11.319 In May nineteen ninety nine, now twelve years old, Burke 1230 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:14.560 is secretly questioned by a grand jury and has officially 1231 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:19.479 declared a witness only not a suspect. September thirteenth, Detective 1232 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:23.039 Arnett says he says, Oh, he knows who killed John Bannet. 1233 01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:30.039 Like his name is Linda. That's weird. I feel bad 1234 01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:30.560 for you, sir. 1235 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.520 If you've two people have the same name is very strange. Uh. 1236 01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:40.279 Interview on Good Morning America, Linda Arnett or Arnett says 1237 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:44.920 he knows who kills John Beney. September thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine, 1238 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.239 John Maine's half siblings testified, John and Andrew Melinda, who 1239 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.399 were cleared in March nineteen ninety seven, testify in front 1240 01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:55.399 of a grand jury and then on October thirteenth, nineteen 1241 01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:57.359 ninety nine, the district attorney. 1242 01:13:57.000 --> 01:13:59.319 Says that there is no significant evidence. 1243 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.880 Ex Hunter says there's even a significant evidence to charge 1244 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:06.279 anyone in this case. With that the grand jury investigation 1245 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:12.800 is over. The mom does have crazy eyes. Everyone starting 1246 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:13.840 to notice that in the chat. 1247 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:19.079 I'm telling you she is psychotic, whether she's guilty or 1248 01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:22.239 notough you also have to think internet wasn't re anything 1249 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:24.680 back then. It's hard to make an opinion. You couldn't 1250 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:25.920 just go and search for interview. 1251 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:31.359 With the internet being and I think you could like 1252 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:35.520 to go. That's what's interesting right like now a lot 1253 01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:37.239 of stuff I could point to a lot of things 1254 01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:39.560 that you're like able to look up, like I don't know, 1255 01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:41.840 stuff like why did World War one and two happen? 1256 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.319 You know, just things I'm really fascinated by right now, 1257 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:48.279 I'm watching too many things about it is like, yeah, 1258 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:49.880 now we have the advent to be able to look 1259 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:50.680 at these things. 1260 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.199 And and sc scrupulously is that the word? 1261 01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:57.000 I want to scrupulously look at them and like look 1262 01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:01.279 at markers and identifications of why things happened. I don't know, 1263 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:04.600 it's so so strange and it's just so crazy because 1264 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.680 like I'm like a believer in the afterlife and and 1265 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:10.600 what's going on, Like I don't know, I couldn't imagine 1266 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:12.199 what where her soul is? 1267 01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:15.920 What happened? Is she being consumed by reptilians? 1268 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:19.359 I'm kidding, Like that's very dark, but like it's just 1269 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:21.640 very sad for this to happen to such a young girl. 1270 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.279 And then like where does your soul go? 1271 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:23.640 Man? 1272 01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.199 When you're like, you know what I mean, Like it's 1273 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:28.640 such a crazy like it's so and so of these 1274 01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:31.920 this happens so often, but this is such an infamous, 1275 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.119 infamous case where like it seems like everybody knows her face, 1276 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.840 you know what I mean, the name, the name is 1277 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:45.920 so big, uh, you know, just this young, very innocent, blonde, 1278 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.000 blue eyed, white girl, you know. And that's why people 1279 01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:51.439 like they all complain about like you know, it's there's 1280 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.479 only we're focusing on the white girl. 1281 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:54.880 Whatever. 1282 01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:57.359 But this was like a weird case to begin with, Right, 1283 01:15:57.640 --> 01:15:59.239 There's a lot of people that do go missing under 1284 01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.319 the radar. A lot of Indigenous women go missing in Canada. 1285 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.479 Nobody seems to care. Nobody cares a lot about all 1286 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.680 the children that go missing. It's just certain like this. 1287 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:14.960 Here's something really bizarre and weird that I just found. 1288 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.319 Oh yeah, the parents have time military and stuff and 1289 01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:19.319 Rockey Martin. 1290 01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:30.680 Check this out. I don't know if you've ever seen this. Okay, oh, 1291 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:35.520 isn't wasn't Patsy A found Patsy? Yes, yes, And that 1292 01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:37.079 was starting to make a little bit more sense. My 1293 01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.439 mom puts a board game at a trip store back 1294 01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:42.760 in the mid nineteen nineties. Years later we read as 1295 01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:44.399 Patsy Ramsey was in it, so she kept it all 1296 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:46.239 these years. Just found out I was going to show 1297 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:48.479 some stuff in the basement, so she was in the 1298 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:53.399 Miss America board game. I wow, that's so crazy. 1299 01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:57.359 I forgot that because I have that down that Patsy 1300 01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:01.399 was also a beauty queen. So then the influencing their daughter, 1301 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:06.079 and like, okay, that's very weird. And listen, this is 1302 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:09.680 why people like conspiracy theorists, like especially like like, you know, 1303 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:12.000 I'm I'm a full blown tinfoil hat, Like I wear 1304 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.800 a suit of tinfoil, you. 1305 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:14.239 Know what I mean? 1306 01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:17.079 So, like it is this weird thing of is this 1307 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:21.399 some sort of like weird ritual that took place? God 1308 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:23.960 knows I'm not gonna point that kind of speculation in 1309 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:26.880 that kind of conspiracy theory aspect to it, but it 1310 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:32.079 is very weird of all of this stuff. Oh yeah, 1311 01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:36.039 look at that, we're looking at the ransom note. Very similar, man, 1312 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:42.800 it's almost identical. Wow, that's crazy, man, And I forgot that. 1313 01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:44.840 She was also like to me, I'm trying to be 1314 01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:47.840 Devil's advocate of like okay, like you were a beauty 1315 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:50.840 queen and now you're trying to live out your years 1316 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:54.239 and and live vicariously through your daughter, you. 1317 01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:54.760 Know what I mean? 1318 01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:03.439 Like, how point they're not like very similar? 1319 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.880 How is that not a cool like a case for like, okay, 1320 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:09.760 that's you know what I mean? How is that not 1321 01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:11.000 a people on that. 1322 01:18:13.159 --> 01:18:16.880 John ban A, Ramsey Sabretta seemed to feel that it 1323 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.199 would have been charged with martyr if they were poor 1324 01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:23.800 or like middle class whatever, because they had money. A 1325 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:27.119 lot of people reckoned that they didn't like, which you 1326 01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:31.600 could say is the thing. Because what happened with Madeline 1327 01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:36.159 mccannon her parents to like pretty well respected doctors, and. 1328 01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:41.159 There are some conspiracy theories about that stuff, man, and 1329 01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:44.199 I saw Mike some really weird stuff. 1330 01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:47.279 It is because they had money and he was connected to. 1331 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:56.239 You know, maybe some military contracts with people from Israel. 1332 01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:58.560 You know, there's there is some shit like that. 1333 01:18:58.760 --> 01:18:58.880 Man. 1334 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.600 When you started looking at the real deep conspiracies, they 1335 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:03.199 had money and they had connections. 1336 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:05.199 It's very true. Hell Bunny. 1337 01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:09.520 So yeah, So then and then you have this where 1338 01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.560 oh yeah, they're gonna publish a book. The Ramsey publish 1339 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:16.039 a book. John and Patsy released The Death of Innocence, 1340 01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:18.920 about their daughter's murder, along with a publicity campaign to 1341 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:22.039 promote their book. Imagine how much money they made off 1342 01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:22.720 of the book. 1343 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:23.680 Right. 1344 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:28.640 And then May twenty fourth, two thousand, John and Patsy 1345 01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:32.119 Old press conference. During a news conference, John Bennet's parents 1346 01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:35.720 announce a lie detector test confirmed they are innocent of 1347 01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.720 their daughter's death. We shouldn't have to prove our innocence, 1348 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.439 but nevertheless we have been forced to, John says. According 1349 01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.000 to Los Angeles Times, we have not one ounce of 1350 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:48.319 trust into the Boulder police. However, because they test, the 1351 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:54.039 test wasn't runned, wasn't run by the FBI, the results 1352 01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:58.479 aren't accepted by the investigator. They got somebody else that 1353 01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:02.319 John knew most likely to run the DNA, the lie 1354 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:05.600 detect tests, which aren't admissible in court because you cannot 1355 01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:09.479 use them. They're fucking fraudulent. Even if people think they're not, 1356 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:11.840 They're not correct in any way. You could trick them. 1357 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:15.279 You could just be nervous even doing it. Uh, and 1358 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:19.159 then it will fuck it up. Cops would be much 1359 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:21.800 more cautious about throwing accusations at people with money. Yeah, 1360 01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:24.199 lawsuits and all that stuff. And not to mention, I 1361 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:26.640 don't know, did you have connections to people that are 1362 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.479 higher up than we understand, you know, the connections to 1363 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:31.079 nine to eleven. 1364 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:31.720 Uh? 1365 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.800 Well, maybe you could eventually do a conspiracy theory episode 1366 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.760 about that at some point, because there's more than people understand. 1367 01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:40.199 If I actually dig for it, I'll find it. And uh, 1368 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:41.840 I don't know. 1369 01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:44.279 There's just so many questions and so many weird things 1370 01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:47.520 about this case where I'm like, were they paying off 1371 01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:48.079 the police? 1372 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:53.079 There's like that thing I said that someone had said there. 1373 01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:55.439 You know, if the Ramsay's reported, it would have been 1374 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:57.880 charged with martyr and the fact that they were well 1375 01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:59.319 off meant that they got away. It would have It 1376 01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:01.680 seems blittant obvious to me after all these years of 1377 01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:05.439 research and that awful ransom note. It clearly seems like 1378 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:08.199 Patsy who wrote it. It rambles like her, and the 1379 01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.079 right nearly matches one hundred percent. In an interview, she 1380 01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.720 caught herself out by saying only two people know who 1381 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:15.920 did this, and then when asked what she meant, she 1382 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.720 backpedaled by saying the person who did it, and then 1383 01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:21.359 they obviously confide it in one person, because that's what 1384 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:26.399 you would do. The Boulder DA's office was essentially like 1385 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:30.119 the Ramseys backup defense attorney team Alex hundred did some 1386 01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:33.279 crazy shit to aid the Ramses, forked over everything to 1387 01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:36.479 the defense team at weekly meetings, hired Lieutenant Smith to 1388 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:41.239 explore idi Theeries obstructed the police, and FBI overruled the 1389 01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:43.560 grand jury indictment. They would never do that for a 1390 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:47.359 poor person of no influence CEO of a billion dollar company. 1391 01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:48.680 On the other hand, that. 1392 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:52.760 Yeah, he's making tons of money. I see some people 1393 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.239 think polygraphs are junk science. And then there is like 1394 01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:00.640 my MythBusters who owns MythBusters? Man, I whish I had my. 1395 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:01.760 Little my little button. 1396 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:06.960 They don't like juice, so. 1397 01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:08.600 It was gonna be like super offected by that. But 1398 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:08.920 I don't know. 1399 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:10.479 I just like to start paying attention to stuff and 1400 01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:12.199 you'll like find out why this stuff is going on. 1401 01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:17.279 March two thousand and one, the Ramsey filed a libel 1402 01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:21.399 lawsuit against the former detective, upset by a November two 1403 01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:23.279 thousand book that points the finger at them. 1404 01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:25.159 Patsy and John sue it's authors. 1405 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:29.439 Then June twenty fourth, two thousand and six, Patsy dies 1406 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:34.800 of cancer. You know, it was that Jesus could be 1407 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:38.239 a MythBusters put out propaganda. Maybe I was actually like 1408 01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:39.920 watching MythBusters. 1409 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:46.079 Adam Sorry, which has a pretty good YouTube channel called Tested. 1410 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:48.439 I did like a lot of other stuff. It was 1411 01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:51.079 when they started leaving in that Asian guy in that 1412 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:53.239 blonde when I think she's kind of blonded lady. That 1413 01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:55.479 was like, I was like, Nah, this is kind of boring, man. 1414 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:57.840 I kind of like those two doing their thing. Yeah, 1415 01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.520 and realistic of me. And you could make a show 1416 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:01.399 like that and just like test things and have money 1417 01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:02.520 to do it. I would love to do that. Here, 1418 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:06.039 let me blow this thing up with this V two rocket. 1419 01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:07.920 I'll see what happens. 1420 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:10.119 Our first episode, right, I already have it in mind. 1421 01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:15.479 Did Hitler fake his death was like test it out. 1422 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.000 I'll dress up in a mustache and we'll blow me up. 1423 01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:21.479 We'll put like a what's that guy that the guy 1424 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:24.119 that used to the body double guy they would use, 1425 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:26.800 you know, put him in a bunker with some grenades 1426 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:28.960 and there, blow it up. See what happens. You know, 1427 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:30.920 See if you could sneak out of there, build. 1428 01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:36.279 Them on the ground tunnels, you know, there's a there's 1429 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:39.079 just like the more I'm like reading about this theme again, 1430 01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:41.000 I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember that thing. Oh I 1431 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:45.159 remember this thing. I know. And it's like the amount 1432 01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:46.760 of people as well out there. I didn't read as 1433 01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:50.359 who think that like their money was a big factor 1434 01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:52.520 in all this as well. Somebody else says their money 1435 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:55.680 definitely gave them the ability to avoid talking to the 1436 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:57.800 cops before they got their ducks in a row, and 1437 01:23:57.880 --> 01:23:59.840 their money has allowed them to control the narrative of 1438 01:23:59.880 --> 01:24:06.720 the case even to this day. The Boulders the Boulder 1439 01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:10.920 Police is incompetent handling of the crime scene, failing to 1440 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.479 secure the scene from the moment one and failing to 1441 01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:17.399 separate and question the family led to this case becoming unprosecutable. 1442 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:21.079 Even before they found the body. The police deference to them, 1443 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.359 undoubtedly partially because of their resources, sunk this case before 1444 01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:26.520 it was ever really launched. 1445 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.680 Yeah, even looking at the basement view, you know, like 1446 01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:34.960 there's a broken window, the guy like, uh, there is 1447 01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:37.439 a detective that says that it's possible that you could 1448 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:42.680 have broke in, uh to the in and crawled down 1449 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:44.640 stuff like that and got in and got out. 1450 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:47.159 Going into the theories, there. 1451 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:50.479 Is that really creepy pedophile that admitted to doing it, 1452 01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:51.840 but I don't believe him. 1453 01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:59.760 Wasn't there also a broken basement window? Yeah, yeah, but 1454 01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:02.479 the like, oh no, it's probably not anything to do. 1455 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:04.560 I don't know. 1456 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:09.640 The cops seems suspect, like were they were they were 1457 01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:12.600 they taking me? I don't know, man, they were you 1458 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:15.600 know what I mean? Were they taking money? You two 1459 01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:17.800 would be perfect for a show to be like Weird 1460 01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:19.399 Jersey pa et cetera. 1461 01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:19.960 I would watch. 1462 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:22.800 Oh yeah, I would love to film some stuff that 1463 01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:26.239 we've talked about doing docs and stuff like that. Aaron 1464 01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:28.079 just lives on the other side of the fucking world, 1465 01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:31.760 so we have to Oh, the window was broken from 1466 01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:32.359 the inside. 1467 01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:36.039 That's interesting. I want to go hunt crypt is something. 1468 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:39.279 Yeah, I'm gonna We're gonna Me and Aaron are gonna 1469 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:41.399 film each other, and I'm gonna take a bunch of mushrooms. 1470 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.680 I'm gonna make him take a bunch of mushrooms. Uh, 1471 01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:45.439 and then we're gonna go look in the woods for 1472 01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:47.840 cryptids and we'll probably just be lost in ramble on 1473 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.079 about nonsense. 1474 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:53.399 That's weird. I didn't know that as well. They retained 1475 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.319 the number one criminal defense firm in Colorado with political 1476 01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:58.920 connections all the way up to the top, with conflicting 1477 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:02.039 interests in Boulder, d office hire the top notch PR 1478 01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:05.760 team to start controlling the narrative about spreading any negative narratives, 1479 01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:08.199 refuse to talk with law enforcement, and instead used the 1480 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:10.880 PR team to set up on air TV interviews where 1481 01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:14.560 no questions were asked on only scripted statements read in 1482 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:16.640 that interview. If you haven't seen it, when John went 1483 01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:19.159 on that little we were told to look at the 1484 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.079 family first. And it's just a sad thing for this 1485 01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:24.560 country that has to change. Such a weird thing to 1486 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:26.479 say at that time. He is going to be figured 1487 01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:28.119 out eventually for the killer he is. 1488 01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:34.479 That's interesting, And is he that manipulative where he's able 1489 01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:38.880 to construct these stories and were they involved with some 1490 01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:41.800 sort of like I don't know, ritual murder and he 1491 01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:44.880 was able to get away with it. And he's very 1492 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:49.199 collected and collected in the way he speaks and stuff 1493 01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:51.760 like that, where you see this with like serial killers too, right, 1494 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:54.479 where they're like they know everything they're gonna say when 1495 01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:58.279 they say it, they're calculated in a way that most 1496 01:26:58.319 --> 01:26:59.600 people wouldn't realize. 1497 01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:04.079 I don't know, there's some there's some weird. 1498 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:09.760 Who at the that that's that looks like one hundred. 1499 01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:13.399 The letter does look like there's the garate wire that 1500 01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:18.359 was choke choked to death or so, but the letter 1501 01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:22.479 looks like somebody who was like trying to make it 1502 01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:25.960 look like like somebody else wrote it. 1503 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:31.159 Mm hm, you know what I mean. Yeah, there was 1504 01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:34.159 a there was some investigator and I think that was 1505 01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:37.920 involved in it. On the fucking name an am On 1506 01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:41.439 read at a while back and he said that the 1507 01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:44.520 weirdest thing was anytime they weren't on camera, they were 1508 01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:46.119 like extremely distant from each other. 1509 01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:49.439 I could see that they got beds across the room 1510 01:27:49.479 --> 01:27:50.000 from each other. 1511 01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:54.119 So weird, and it just reminds me so much like 1512 01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:57.000 of of the later case of Madam McCann, like where 1513 01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:03.000 Jerry and Kate McCann just to fucking oddball, like I 1514 01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:05.800 had friends in high places, like we're friends with the 1515 01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:08.840 Prime Minister of England at the time, and all this 1516 01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:11.520 similar stuff like again where it's like they didn't have 1517 01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.600 to give interviews and all this stuff was all done 1518 01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:14.880 thrue like PR teams. 1519 01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:19.279 And what makes me question it though, because I do 1520 01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:21.800 think there's like ritualistic murder and stuff that's going on 1521 01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:26.560 behind the scenes and higher ups and gaining power and 1522 01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:31.319 leverage over a population. Yeah, the the whack job who 1523 01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:33.439 falsely confessed to killing her with some sort of kind 1524 01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:36.279 of teacher teaching little Asian kids. Well, yeah, that's that. 1525 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.399 That pedophile guy. We'll get to That's this guy. We'll 1526 01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:41.960 get to him near the end. I think I have 1527 01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:46.760 an image of that weirdo somewhere. Yeah, it's it's and 1528 01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:50.359 I don't know, there's some things do I swear, dude, 1529 01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:54.640 And there's the house it is, Uh, I don't know. 1530 01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:58.640 This whole thing is so strange to me. I swear 1531 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:01.840 to God an image of that guy, but you know, 1532 01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:05.039 and then Joe Patsy dies of cancer. Oh yeah, the 1533 01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:09.439 American teacher is arrested in Bangkok, was capital of Thailand. 1534 01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:13.239 Bank follows on to the investigation. I love John Bennet, 1535 01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:17.119 John Mark Kern said at the press conference after his arrest. 1536 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:19.720 According to The Guardian, I was there when she died. 1537 01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:24.439 She died accidentally, and this fucking maniac dude, like, let 1538 01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:26.239 me finish this. The forty one year old is phone 1539 01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:29.399 back to Colorado face charges that never materialize. Aspects of 1540 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:32.119 the confession don't add up, including the suspects of DNA 1541 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:35.479 isn't a match. On August twenty eighth, Boulder District Attorney 1542 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:40.920 Mary Lacey moves to dismiss the case, writing we would 1543 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:45.079 not be able to establish that mister carn Carr committed 1544 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:48.359 these crimes, despite his repeated insistence that he did. Accordy 1545 01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:51.000 Los Angeles times. I think he was obsessed with her, 1546 01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:55.560 But some of the shit that dude said is like 1547 01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:59.479 fucking creepy, like he was. He's like, you know, he's 1548 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.840 like we had this mutual relationship and he's talking about 1549 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.439 her like they were like. I think he was fascinated 1550 01:30:05.479 --> 01:30:07.760 by the case. I think he was probably in love 1551 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:08.760 with the image of her. 1552 01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:09.399 Uh. 1553 01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:14.520 And then he made up this grandiose story about it, 1554 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:19.159 and it's like so bizarre to me and so weird 1555 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.359 because he was like saying, how like they were in 1556 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:25.039 a relationship and he was consensual and he said, like, 1557 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.560 you know, like you just let me tie you up 1558 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.359 a little bit and we'll do some choke play stuff 1559 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:33.359 like like fucked up stuff like that. And then he's 1560 01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:35.800 like it was just an accident, and I sobbed over 1561 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:39.119 her body, like did you hear him speak on that doc? 1562 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:40.399 Like it's fucked up? 1563 01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:40.640 Man? 1564 01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:45.520 Mhm, And that's what the Pizzagate thing. They pimped her out. 1565 01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:47.079 We'll get to the theories. 1566 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.680 Yeah, that was also something that I was open to 1567 01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:55.800 the like could have been the thing, and some background 1568 01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:58.680 as well, just going like super deep into like the 1569 01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:01.279 case or whatever. And some people mightn't care about any 1570 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:06.760 of this, but so Nedra, who was Patsy's mother, supposedly 1571 01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:11.720 had like an extremely explosive temper. Her father apparently adored Patsy, 1572 01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:18.359 but had issues with Patsy's sister. I remember when Patsy 1573 01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:22.399 was diagnosed with cancer, her dad asked her sister, why 1574 01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:25.319 couldn't it be you instead of Patsy? The family was 1575 01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:32.119 described as extremely mean and cold. Then switching over to John, 1576 01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:34.039 his dad was a military man and was said to 1577 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:36.199 be extremely cold, just like John grew up to be. 1578 01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:39.479 John had an affair and was divorced from his first wife. 1579 01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:42.760 He had had an affair with the secretary. There doesn't 1580 01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.359 seem to any direct red flags with either of them, 1581 01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:49.279 but they Patsy clearly came from a very structured, disciplined household, 1582 01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:52.159 just like John. It was a very weird dynamic in 1583 01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:54.800 both their upbrings, and it seems that they both suffered 1584 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:59.239 from extremely cold parenting tactics. I think that Patsy eventually 1585 01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:02.720 ended up marri being her father in not only that 1586 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:04.960 John was much older than her, but he was also 1587 01:32:05.159 --> 01:32:08.399 very controlling and was used to his word being the 1588 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:09.119 final say. 1589 01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:12.720 It is interesting when you look at that stuff because 1590 01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:15.199 there's a lot of weird things to do with military 1591 01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:17.479 people and people that are connected to like the CIA 1592 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:19.520 and stuff that are even in Hollywood. 1593 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:21.640 You know, we'll get to it. 1594 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:24.039 I would like to talk about this with an episode 1595 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:25.560 that where we're going to do a couple of weeks ago, 1596 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:28.239 but it will probably in the new year. Is the 1597 01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:32.199 whole Satan and Hollywood stuff because like Dave Garral's parents 1598 01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:35.920 were involved like the military. Jack Black's parents were involved 1599 01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:39.920 in the government, uh stuff to do with rockets and 1600 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:44.279 like also involved with people with the tiny little hats 1601 01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:47.319 stuff like that. It's this very strange once you start 1602 01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:49.560 to look at this stuff. And Kirk Obain hated Dave 1603 01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:50.720 Brell near the end of the band. 1604 01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:54.119 So here's also something really interesting that maybe a lot 1605 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:59.880 of people don't know about this case. So John, because 1606 01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:02.600 I pulled these notes into like when I found these things. 1607 01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:05.680 So John cheated on his first wife, right with a 1608 01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:09.439 woman who worked for him as a secretary. Then when 1609 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:13.399 he got caught, he blamed her for the affair and 1610 01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:16.640 said that she was a psycho and an extremely aggressive woman. 1611 01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:22.199 Then in another version that he gave, he says he 1612 01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:25.720 broke up with his mistress when he met Patsy. That's 1613 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:26.560 how it all ended. 1614 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:28.079 So weird. 1615 01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:33.479 Yeah, and then there's actually interviews with him where at 1616 01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:37.439 one point he tried to throw his ex mistress under 1617 01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:40.640 the bus as a suspect in John Benet's murder, saying 1618 01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:42.359 that she was a scorned ex lover. 1619 01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:46.600 As fucked up man. That's so crazy, and like there's 1620 01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:48.199 so many things to this. That's why I want to 1621 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:50.600 get to the theories. If you want to start bringing 1622 01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:52.159 out the articles that I sent you, we can go 1623 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:57.000 tit for tat on. There's the one from the Cosmopolitan, 1624 01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.119 but I want to just leave some of that till 1625 01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:02.520 after because some of those are the same theories. 1626 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:06.319 We'll cover some of the ones that. 1627 01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:11.720 Yeah, uh a Polton's pretty interesting. Souse have some weird 1628 01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:16.239 theories on this one Cosmopolitan dot com. Uh, I think 1629 01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:18.159 we should go with that one. Then I'm gonna scroll 1630 01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:23.079 through the other one to find weirder ones. So we'll 1631 01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:27.039 we'll talk about first bring up the Ranker article about 1632 01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:30.079 her brother murdered her. 1633 01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.239 Like that stuff's weird, you know what I mean? 1634 01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.680 Me and River Phoenix A David no that Kurt kirk 1635 01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:40.520 Obain did not like Dave Garral And there's one incidence 1636 01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.399 where kirk Obain. I will eventually cover this stuff. I'm 1637 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:45.760 actually really excited to dive into kirk Obain. At some 1638 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:49.920 point kirk Obain was like, you know, David Garol is 1639 01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:51.600 taking about like you know, it's all about the money. 1640 01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:55.159 And then Kurt was like or not it like stared 1641 01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:57.640 over at Dave, like, what the fuck man? Uh so 1642 01:34:58.359 --> 01:34:59.279 maybe he was the brother? 1643 01:34:59.520 --> 01:34:59.960 Who knows? 1644 01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:02.600 They claim it was jealousy. People think the motivation was 1645 01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:05.920 jealousy because his sister was getting more attention the conspiracy. 1646 01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:08.640 They also placed the murder cover up blame on the 1647 01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.680 parents because they were scared they would lose both of 1648 01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:17.000 their children. This theory remains popular despite the exoneration of 1649 01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:21.119 DNA in two thousand and eight. And then obviously Burke 1650 01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:25.479 breaks the silence, does the Doctor Phil interview and we 1651 01:35:25.560 --> 01:35:26.079 will play that. 1652 01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:33.079 Now, are you aware of these different theories that are 1653 01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:38.920 out there? Theories that you killed your sister, theories that 1654 01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:42.720 your mother killed John Maine, and theories that an intruder 1655 01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.800 killed Jomine. Those seem to be the three camps that 1656 01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:47.560 people talk about. 1657 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:51.439 Yeah, I mean, I know that we are suspects. I 1658 01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:52.880 didn't know they were camps, I guess. 1659 01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:57.239 And these are people that post online. The shorthand is 1660 01:35:57.479 --> 01:36:02.199 rd I Ramsey did it? The intruder did it? Or 1661 01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:06.880 bd I Bert did it? Do you know the theories 1662 01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:12.359 that they set forth in saying that your mom killed 1663 01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:13.000 John Benney. 1664 01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:16.760 I don't know the details, but I know the ransom note. 1665 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:18.399 They've been the handwriting match. 1666 01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:20.239 Have you seen it? Have you read it? 1667 01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:24.239 I don't think I've read the whole thing. I've definitely 1668 01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:25.399 seen pictures of it, though. 1669 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:29.960 Did the handwriting look familiar to you at all? Had 1670 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:31.680 you seen it ever before? 1671 01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:32.239 No? 1672 01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:35.199 I feel like they'll listen carefully. Is very distinct, and 1673 01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:38.840 I've never really seen that. I don't know, I've never 1674 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:41.840 really looked at it closely because I'll see it and 1675 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:47.159 kind of get taken aback, and it's not something I 1676 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:51.039 really want to look at like a lot, you know, right? 1677 01:36:51.399 --> 01:36:52.760 Does that look like her handwriting? 1678 01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:55.520 Honestly? 1679 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:56.159 Looking at that? 1680 01:36:56.840 --> 01:36:59.239 She would always bug me about having good handwriting, and 1681 01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:03.039 she would make me rewrite stuff to try to get 1682 01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.359 me to have good handwriting. And I think it's too sloppy. 1683 01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:13.520 He's deflecting. Weird dude. 1684 01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:18.199 His mannerism is everything he knows. I'm convinced he knows 1685 01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:18.680 who did it. 1686 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.920 He also looks like some weird AI version of Elijah Wood. 1687 01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:28.520 That is true. That is finne so crazy. So let's 1688 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:33.800 get to the theories finally. Obviously her the brother. Obviously, 1689 01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:41.039 there's the sex offender murdered her sex offender and homeless 1690 01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:47.239 drifter Gary Howard Olivia Olivia Rose it's supposed to be 1691 01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:51.399 with suspecting the Jomina Ramsey murder, lived a couple of 1692 01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:53.640 blocks away from the Ramseys at the time of the murder. 1693 01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:57.840 He had a history of sexual abusing sexually abusing children. 1694 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:00.920 In two thousand and while rested on a drug charge, 1695 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:04.520 police found photos of John Bennet and a stun gun 1696 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:08.840 in his back backpack. It says back back, but I 1697 01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:13.279 think that's backpack. He later then told the Denver Post 1698 01:38:13.359 --> 01:38:18.079 that he murdered that her murder touched him very deeply 1699 01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:21.279 and he had felt the need to build a shrine 1700 01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:26.159 to remember her. In two thousand and two, Olivia was 1701 01:38:26.359 --> 01:38:30.439 the John Gary Howard Olivia Rose whatever he features on 1702 01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:35.520 forty eight hour Investigate investigates. The show alleges after the 1703 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.479 murder that he told a friend that he was in 1704 01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:42.319 Bolder and had done something horrible to a child. He 1705 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:45.800 also had a poem at the time that he said 1706 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:49.960 it was called Odi to John Bennet. On January eleven, 1707 01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:56.279 twenty nineteen, reporters broke when investigations received. Investigators received a 1708 01:38:56.359 --> 01:38:58.920 series of letters that he wrote to a friend and 1709 01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:03.199 form a high school class made Michael vil Vail, I acknowledge, 1710 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:05.920 acknowledging he had murder John Benet, but claiming it was 1711 01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:09.800 done accidentally. I never loved anyone like I did John, 1712 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:13.560 and yet I let her slip and her head bashed 1713 01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:17.399 in half, and I watched her die. It wasn't accidents. 1714 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:19.119 Please accident, Please believe me. 1715 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:22.199 She did not. She did not. She was not like 1716 01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:24.199 the other kids. I don't know. 1717 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:33.239 The investigation is still all going as it says, really weird. Yeah, 1718 01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:35.159 I think the brother did it, but I do think 1719 01:39:35.199 --> 01:39:38.720 she was being sexually assaulted. Uh maybe so fuck, I 1720 01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:41.319 have no idea. Do you want to get into the 1721 01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:47.960 next one. Yes, the dad's jealous of employer, so. 1722 01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:52.199 Her dad's jealous employee killed her. This conspiracy theory is 1723 01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:55.199 also motivated by jealousy, but jealousy of a different nature. 1724 01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:58.640 The nature of money. The ransom note found the crime 1725 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:02.520 scene asked for one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, which 1726 01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:04.520 is the exact amount of money Ramsey received as a 1727 01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:10.640 Christmas bonus that year. Most kidnapper requests, most kidnappers request 1728 01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:14.079 a less precise price and typically round up to a 1729 01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:16.520 more general number, like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, 1730 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:22.119 adding further support for this theory. It's very weird, you know. 1731 01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:26.920 Did John and Patsy kill her? Aka? The parents were 1732 01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:27.479 the killers. 1733 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:30.920 Theories range from bed wedding incident sent them in a 1734 01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:33.199 serious state of rage, which would be very weird, but 1735 01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:36.520 like at their strict background, maybe ultimately ending in John 1736 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:40.760 Boney's death, to placing blame solely on her mother because 1737 01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:41.760 she was obviously very. 1738 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:43.960 She was very. 1739 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:49.439 And visus and versus of her daughter's beauty. 1740 01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:51.920 Envious. Jesus, what the fuck can I read? 1741 01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:55.000 Sometimes I was round my brain where I said two beers, 1742 01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:58.760 But that's an excuse. She was envious of her daughter's beauty, 1743 01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:02.399 so envious that she decided to kill her mini me 1744 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:05.479 and recruiter John to help her cover it up. Some 1745 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:15.680 theories think, so, why's the local trouble maker so weird? 1746 01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:21.039 Michael hell Goot, a local Boulder bad boy, is a 1747 01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:27.680 prominent suspect for the Young Beauty Queen's death. A former 1748 01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:29.960 employee of hell God said that he told him a 1749 01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:32.920 month before John Benay's murder that him and a partner 1750 01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:34.680 had a big deal coming up where they would make 1751 01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:38.079 about sixty thousand dollars each. Al Good also told him 1752 01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:39.960 that he wondered what it would be like the crushy 1753 01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:43.359 human skull. Quite an odd and disturbing thing to say 1754 01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:46.000 in general, but it's extra suspicious scene as Ramsey was 1755 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:49.399 found with a cracked skull. After the local district attorney 1756 01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:52.640 announced the list of John Benet's murder suspects had narrowed, 1757 01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:56.319 hell God died two days later of an apparent suicide 1758 01:41:56.399 --> 01:42:00.439 in January nineteen ninety seven. Twenty four hours. Investigation ruled 1759 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:03.399 out that hell Got's DNA was present at the scene 1760 01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:04.119 of the crime. 1761 01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:05.640 That scary stuff. 1762 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:11.560 Very weird, man. Man, it's strange to begin with. 1763 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:19.479 So oh yeah, sorry, I just picked random samba and 1764 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:23.640 just it was not fitting. We all read the maybe 1765 01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:26.560 there's an intruder that you know killed John Benet Ramsey, 1766 01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:28.920 some random intruder. I actually gonna skip over that one 1767 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.600 because I don't believe that. I'm going back to I'm 1768 01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:34.640 gonna go to the cosmopolitan theories and we'll switch back. 1769 01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:38.800 So the murder of jobin A. Ramsey remains okay, well, 1770 01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:42.600 well uh. In the book, presumed guilty and investigation into 1771 01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:46.119 John Boney Ramsey's case the media and culture of pornography. 1772 01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:50.319 Journalist Stephen Singler argues that the police were focused on 1773 01:42:50.439 --> 01:42:53.319 pinning the murder on Ramsey, they neglect to consider the 1774 01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:57.439 possibility that John Benet's John Benay was abductive for child pornography. 1775 01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:00.840 It didn't make the the I didn't the connection as 1776 01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:03.760 much as I felt this area should be investigated by 1777 01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:07.680 the authorities because of similar similarities between what I've seen 1778 01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:12.600 online of child pornography that's weird in the child's murder, 1779 01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:16.960 he explained in an interview with Computer Crime Researcher Center, 1780 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:21.760 And because I've been told by cybercrime specialists that John 1781 01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:25.119 Benay was precise precisely the kind of child because of 1782 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:27.800 her beauty, passion experience, who would be sucked into the 1783 01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:31.359 world of childborn. While at first his theory might seem 1784 01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:34.159 a little far fetched, it is not completely out of 1785 01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:36.760 the realm of possibility. One of the former suspects in 1786 01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:39.680 the case was that we said. Gary Howard was arrested 1787 01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:43.880 last June after uploading several sexual explicit photographs of children 1788 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:48.079 to his email account. Even more, herowing Inside addition reports 1789 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:51.840 that when he was previously arrested in two thousand He 1790 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:55.119 was allegedly carrying a photograph of the child beauty Queen 1791 01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:57.520 with him, along with the copy of a poem he 1792 01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:03.680 called the ode to John pretty messed up. Do you 1793 01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:07.239 have that other article pulled up to you? Of course, 1794 01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:09.640 the first one, the Cosmopolitan one? 1795 01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:13.640 Yeah? Do you want to go with the the sex 1796 01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:16.880 rings from us? He was kidnapped and killed by a 1797 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:20.479 child sex ring. In two thousand, a California woman told 1798 01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:23.159 police that she believed the same child sex ring that 1799 01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:25.359 she'd been a victim of a child was responsible for 1800 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:28.159 Jambinet's death due to similarities and how they'd been tied up. 1801 01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:31.800 According to the Daily Camera, the woman provided authorities with 1802 01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:35.640 a list of specific names of individuals who were witnesses 1803 01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:37.880 in the killing of John Maine, as well as ongoing 1804 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:41.520 sexual and physical abusers of other children. However, police later 1805 01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:44.439 concluded that there was simply no evidence to support her claims. 1806 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:48.560 He the California woman had no direct knowledge of anything 1807 01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:51.319 that may have occurred on the night Jambiney died. Police 1808 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:55.520 Chief Mark Breckner. Beckner told it down for Post this 1809 01:44:55.800 --> 01:44:58.760 was her speculation based on what she claimed she went 1810 01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:02.000 through as a child. Very weird. 1811 01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:05.159 I'm gonna skip this one about like the murderer killed 1812 01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:07.600 himself after the death, that's possible. 1813 01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:10.399 Santa Claus did it. Santa Claus did it. 1814 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:11.319 He did it. 1815 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:11.960 He did it. 1816 01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:23.199 Sometimes there's just things that I left over on the 1817 01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:25.119 soundboard that I'm like, could this work? 1818 01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:26.359 No? 1819 01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:28.520 Yeah, pretty crazy. 1820 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:36.960 Two days prior to John Benet's murder, former University of 1821 01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:41.199 Colorado professor Bill McReynolds dressed up as Santa Claus at 1822 01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:43.560 the Ramsey's household. This is a big theory though a 1823 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:45.479 lot of people there is a lot of people speculate 1824 01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:46.079 this for. 1825 01:45:46.159 --> 01:45:47.560 The third year in a row. 1826 01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:54.800 While there, CNN reports he allegedly gave John Benet a 1827 01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:56.039 card that read. 1828 01:45:56.239 --> 01:45:58.960 You will receive a special gift after Christmas. 1829 01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:04.279 Statements led me to believe some sort of suspicion what 1830 01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:07.600 was going on between Santa Bill and John Vanet. Again, 1831 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:10.439 he is an individual who was involved with her, had 1832 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:13.760 interest in her, and was seen with her shortly before 1833 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:19.840 the murder. Original prosecutor Trip D. Mirth told CNN even 1834 01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:24.920 more suspicious, mcreynold's middle daughter and her name and her 1835 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:29.560 friend had been abducted twenty two years prior to John 1836 01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:31.000 Vaney's death to the day. 1837 01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:33.960 That's fucking weird, bro. 1838 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:39.359 And another creepy coincidence that raised investigator's suspicion was a 1839 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:42.720 play written by mc reynold's wife Jane, about a girl 1840 01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:45.920 who was sexually assaulted and then murdered in a basement. 1841 01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:48.279 What the fuck man? 1842 01:46:50.119 --> 01:46:55.359 How weird is that mc reynold's explained. Mc reynolds explained 1843 01:46:55.399 --> 01:46:58.600 that to this day that to that it was a 1844 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:02.319 fictional account of a nineteen sixty five torture murder of 1845 01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:04.520 Sylvia Likings in Indiana. 1846 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:06.560 Nothing nothing to do with John Benney. 1847 01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:10.359 Nonetheless, Bill McReynolds with a name, was still one of 1848 01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:13.880 the favorite suspects of the Ramsey family, even though they 1849 01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:18.600 haven't specifically they haven't specifically called him out. Uh, they 1850 01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:24.319 even suspict Jesus christ Man. They even man have a stroke. 1851 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:27.520 They even specifically called him out on their on their 1852 01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:30.720 in their book The Death of the Innocence. Weird though, 1853 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:33.640 that one's like such a prominent thing, though, is like 1854 01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:35.000 that Santa Claus did it? 1855 01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:35.720 You know what I mean? 1856 01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:39.800 Like, how sad is that that Santa Claus. That's what 1857 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:44.199 I definitely heard from Uh, That's what I definitely heard, 1858 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:51.279 you know, if that is the same guy, he I 1859 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:53.159 feel like you take that beard away. He looks like 1860 01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:54.199 the typical. 1861 01:47:55.399 --> 01:48:03.600 You know, p dough. Yeah, so fucked up. 1862 01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:08.399 Okay, so this is a really actually so John Beney's 1863 01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:10.039 mother did it. We kind of already covered that they 1864 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:14.760 the this idea goes the idea that maybe that Patsy 1865 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:18.279 caught her husband molesting John Benet and then hit her 1866 01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:21.159 in a fit of rage, which would seem how psychotic 1867 01:48:21.239 --> 01:48:23.720 she could be, and this could be some there could 1868 01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:26.560 be some truth to this that maybe like she was 1869 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:29.800 jealous because that you hear this and of real true 1870 01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:32.399 crime cases where stuff like this does happen. And she 1871 01:48:32.600 --> 01:48:35.479 lashed out after finding John Beney wet the bed, so 1872 01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:39.680 she very weird. Maybe they you know, they it seems 1873 01:48:39.720 --> 01:48:42.560 like they were sleeping separately. There was they were very 1874 01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:48.159 distant as a married couple. She finds him involved with 1875 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:52.600 her their daughter, and then somehow she just like her 1876 01:48:52.720 --> 01:48:57.199 mind snaps. She's raising this strict household. She thinks that 1877 01:48:57.279 --> 01:48:59.640 she's jealous of it, almost and then loses it in 1878 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:03.640 a fit of rage. And then they staged the kidnapping 1879 01:49:03.680 --> 01:49:04.800 and murdercy to cover up. 1880 01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:08.640 Like the whole thing. And it's weird as well because 1881 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:12.720 multiple times he was referred to as a ladies man, 1882 01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:17.239 so he wasn't known as like, Okay, yeah he was cold, 1883 01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:21.239 et cetera, like love boys, but supposedly he wasn't one 1884 01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:26.520 for like not clapping them cheeks or anything. So you know, 1885 01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:30.880 it's weird that they would sleep in separate parts of 1886 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:33.479 the house as husband and wife, and then he wouldn't 1887 01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:36.119 be like, I don't know, out with ladies at the night, 1888 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:40.000 or like fucking somebody else, or you know, potentially molesting 1889 01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:40.600 his own daughter. 1890 01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:46.760 Yeah, it's pretty much it's to me, it doesn't seem 1891 01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:51.520 totally far fetched. There's like theories that she was killed 1892 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:56.039 by her housekeeper, someone who loved pineapples. 1893 01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:57.279 Seems a little weird. 1894 01:49:58.279 --> 01:50:03.520 You know, there's and there's fingerprints on both her weird 1895 01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:06.600 so traces of a sweet fruit were found in her stomach, 1896 01:50:06.680 --> 01:50:09.720 which she was fed pineapple just before death. Either the 1897 01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:13.079 killer was someone who enjoyed the tropical fruit or was 1898 01:50:13.119 --> 01:50:18.640 a common snack of the brother. Maybe there was a 1899 01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:20.640 bowl of fruit in the kitchen with pineapple residue on 1900 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:23.800 it and fingerprints from both her mother and the brother. 1901 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:30.760 A juicy conspiracy. Indeed, that is so strange. Something strange 1902 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:33.359 theories with do you want to get to the owl one? 1903 01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:39.920 That's just as well one of the more outlandish theories 1904 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:41.760 of the bunch, So you should take it with a 1905 01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:44.000 grain of salt. At least one source of reports that 1906 01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:46.159 it is possible to gumany I was attacked by some 1907 01:50:46.279 --> 01:50:48.399 sort of wild animal like an owl or a bear. 1908 01:50:49.039 --> 01:50:50.960 Of course, that wouldn't explain how she ended up bound 1909 01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:54.239 and strangled in her family's basement staly able to explain 1910 01:50:54.439 --> 01:50:56.720 the two and a half page or handsome notes. But 1911 01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:59.239 it's also not the first time that a murder has 1912 01:50:59.279 --> 01:51:01.079 been blamed on it, So who knows. 1913 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:04.640 Yeah, because that literally happened with that guy that was 1914 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:08.039 like he was like bisexual or something, and he was 1915 01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:10.640 like his wife fell down the stairs, and then they 1916 01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:15.720 blamed that he was by on his the murder. And yeah, 1917 01:51:16.359 --> 01:51:17.560 how much you want to bet that some of the 1918 01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.439 names connected to the Franklin connection Nebraska will lead you 1919 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:26.520 to Ramsey's daughter, that's Ramsey's father through his work. That's interesting. 1920 01:51:26.720 --> 01:51:29.279 I actually have an entire episode ready to go. 1921 01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:31.039 It's gonna be long. 1922 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:32.880 I don't know when we're eventually gonna do the Franklin 1923 01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:36.159 cover up, but I actually do have stuff ready for 1924 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:38.159 that if we choose to do that at some point. 1925 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:43.479 I'm I have a really good article about that. Yeah, 1926 01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:45.760 the staircase thing, Yeah, that was on Netflix too. That 1927 01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:49.680 is so bizarre. She was killed by the housekeeper. I 1928 01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:53.920 said that this is a really bizarre one we could 1929 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:59.640 get to is uh Katy Perry. Katy Perry killed is Bajapina. 1930 01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:03.439 So there's a conspiracy theory on cocaine. Apparently some people 1931 01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:06.279 believe that the whole murder was stage to create a 1932 01:52:06.399 --> 01:52:09.840 fascinating story in John Benney. Now Katy Perry went into 1933 01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:14.079 hiding years until she resurfaced as a singing sensation. The 1934 01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:18.039 singer's song while Wide Awake is believed to uncover the 1935 01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:21.760 messaging revealing truth about her past and John Bane Ramsey 1936 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.520 I would play that song if we wouldn't get copywritten, 1937 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:28.520 but they would definitely copyright sat side. But that whole 1938 01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:33.279 song is a very occult. I'd just say that there's 1939 01:52:33.279 --> 01:52:37.920 a lot of occult symbolism in that. So I don't 1940 01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:40.079 know what do you guys think that are there tuning 1941 01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:41.720 in the video or even on the audio. You know, 1942 01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:46.680 you can leave messages on Spotify, comment like, you know, 1943 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:50.119 we just you know, support the show, comment like the video. 1944 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:52.880 Do everything you can to support us, and we'd really 1945 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:57.680 appreciate it. I'm not totally sold on this one. There's similar, 1946 01:52:57.840 --> 01:53:01.279 like her eyes are different. There's like there's I would say, 1947 01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:03.119 there's things that are similar, but not. 1948 01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:08.840 I don't know, I just some of them. 1949 01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:11.800 They do kind of look a little similar, but not 1950 01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:14.279 not like that where I'm like, wow, that's like a 1951 01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:15.680 you know what I mean. 1952 01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:24.560 Oh else is also me but it's also strange as well, 1953 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:30.760 like someone that last commentary that someone mentioned mm hmmm, 1954 01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:36.159 the Franklin cover up. Yeah, and just like about you know, 1955 01:53:36.359 --> 01:53:38.960 names cropping up in different places and stuff like that. 1956 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:46.520 So the the ransom note or whatever ends with victory SBTC. 1957 01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:48.560 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't really get. 1958 01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:48.920 To that either. 1959 01:53:49.479 --> 01:53:51.840 Yeah. Did you do you have anything another? Did you 1960 01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:52.359 look into it? 1961 01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:52.479 No? 1962 01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:55.960 No, you can, yeah, go ahead, man. Like some people 1963 01:53:56.039 --> 01:53:58.359 were like, oh, you know, it could mean saved by 1964 01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:01.239 the Cross, which is like a religious reference or whatever. 1965 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:03.920 But the one that a lot of people seem to 1966 01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:09.079 lean on is that it stands for Subic Bay Training Center, 1967 01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:12.000 which is a naval base in the Philippines that was 1968 01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:23.560 linked to John Ramsey's career. A former housekeeper in his house, 1969 01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:31.399 Linda Wilcox, offered up information that she said John had 1970 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:34.600 a plaque in his house that had something to do 1971 01:54:34.720 --> 01:54:39.119 with the center. Some investigators thought that this was a 1972 01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:46.159 reference to the SBTC, although this wasn't the name commonly 1973 01:54:46.319 --> 01:54:49.760 used or the name that the facility was commonly known by, 1974 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:53.520 only by people who were directly connected to it. In 1975 01:54:53.640 --> 01:54:57.560 the small storage closet where Fleet White and John Ramsey 1976 01:54:57.640 --> 01:55:01.039 had looked before John Benee's body was found, the police 1977 01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:04.359 found a plaque with the words to bay honest. 1978 01:55:05.960 --> 01:55:11.640 No, it's really weird about that, is I don't know. 1979 01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:16.720 There could be some sort of connection. You know, there's 1980 01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:19.960 this a Satanic sacrifice, some sort of cult. 1981 01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:21.640 Did this, right. 1982 01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:26.880 It is weird because it seems like I do think 1983 01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:31.800 that sacrificial murder takes place for many different reasons. But 1984 01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:38.960 Christmas is based on a pegan holiday where they would 1985 01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:44.279 sacrifice children to Horace. And then it goes deeper than that. 1986 01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:47.319 It goes to tumose where you're decorating. And the thing 1987 01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:49.800 is we'll talk about this in the live stream for 1988 01:55:49.880 --> 01:55:53.159 the Christmas Special that will be live on Sunday at 1989 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:57.800 two pm Eastern time. Everybody that's listening or watching definitely 1990 01:55:58.920 --> 01:56:02.159 tune in. There's some sort of elite cult stuff that's 1991 01:56:02.199 --> 01:56:06.920 going on, is something that on Christmas in the past, 1992 01:56:07.520 --> 01:56:09.119 and that's why I'm like, we'll talk about like I 1993 01:56:09.520 --> 01:56:13.039 celebrate Christmas for spending time with my family, and you 1994 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:16.920 create new traditions. I do have a Christmas tree and 1995 01:56:17.039 --> 01:56:18.000 get different ornaments. 1996 01:56:18.359 --> 01:56:18.680 I don't. 1997 01:56:19.359 --> 01:56:24.840 I don't use it because I'm I'm I'm participating in 1998 01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:28.039 some sort of ancient cult ritual, right or a cult ritual. 1999 01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:31.520 I do it because you know, it's just a family tradition. 2000 01:56:31.680 --> 01:56:34.279 And even if it is some symbolism towards this or that, 2001 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:37.119 Like you got to make life your own thing. You 2002 01:56:37.239 --> 01:56:40.800 have to project your own energy. Can alcohol is supposed 2003 01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:43.359 to be a downer, but according to like Elizabeth April, 2004 01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:46.079 the chick that was contact with aliens, you can like 2005 01:56:46.680 --> 01:56:49.000 use your own intention and make it upper, right, you can. 2006 01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:50.760 You can use your own intention for a lot of 2007 01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:52.960 things that do think of cult magic is a real thing, 2008 01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:57.760 but it is weird because imagine if she was some 2009 01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:00.680 sort of sacrifice, some sort of ancient god, some sort 2010 01:57:00.680 --> 01:57:03.840 of club that he's connected to, like some you know, 2011 01:57:04.079 --> 01:57:08.760 cabal elitist club. Uh. And then they were like, you know, 2012 01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:12.680 we already gave you money because of this and that. 2013 01:57:13.119 --> 01:57:16.439 Now you have to pay your dues. Now you have 2014 01:57:16.640 --> 01:57:20.520 to give up your uh your child. Right, usually it's 2015 01:57:20.520 --> 01:57:23.000 the firstborn child, but there could be there could be 2016 01:57:24.079 --> 01:57:27.520 stipulations in this deal or whatever. Right, and he accumulates 2017 01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:31.640 all this money in wealth and connection and then they 2018 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:34.560 come a knocking, you know, they're like, you got to 2019 01:57:34.600 --> 01:57:36.760 pay for what we gave you. There the doc's go 2020 01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:38.680 a freak out because I knocked, you know what I 2021 01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:44.079 mean imagine if that was the case, right, M like 2022 01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:47.039 something like and I don't I think anything is possible. 2023 01:57:47.079 --> 01:57:49.720 I'm very open minded person about weird things that happen 2024 01:57:49.960 --> 01:57:52.319 in the in this reality that we exist in. 2025 01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:54.239 Right, there's some weird ones. 2026 01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:58.920 Like it's connected to like APAC, you know, the Asian 2027 01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:03.600 Pacific American COLLI was an active liberal political group operating 2028 01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:07.640 outside of Colorado University, and the request for the money 2029 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:09.920 was written in the rants not could have been code 2030 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:14.159 for Japannay's time of death, which aligns well with her 2031 01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:19.359 actual time of death around one eighteen am. As this 2032 01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:23.640 conspiracy isn't even crazy enough. Apak disbanded just weeks after 2033 01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:29.239 she died. There's some really weird shit to do with 2034 01:58:29.359 --> 01:58:33.119 this case. And I guarantee if you look deep in 2035 01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:36.399 the internet, there is some sort of crazy tinfol I 2036 01:58:36.439 --> 01:58:38.319 wouldn't even say I'm cree. I would even say crazy, 2037 01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:41.239 some sort of conspiracy theorist doue that's pointing like this 2038 01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:46.159 time matches up with this some gamatrius shit that everything's connected, 2039 01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:46.439 you know. 2040 01:58:46.439 --> 01:58:46.840 What I mean? 2041 01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:51.640 Do you feel me? And you know what the worst 2042 01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:55.640 part about all this is like I feel like you 2043 01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:57.960 could sit here for two hours, three hours, four hours 2044 01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:01.520 furs and there's no like I feel like I'm no 2045 01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:03.920 closer to the I didn't like. Don't get me wrong, 2046 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:06.319 I didn't expect to come on and record a podcast 2047 01:59:07.039 --> 01:59:09.840 for entertainment and solve the case or anything. But like, 2048 01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:14.039 I'm no closer to being able to sway one way 2049 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:16.079 or the other and say, Okay, this is kind of 2050 01:59:16.159 --> 01:59:17.479 what I think more than anything else. 2051 01:59:17.920 --> 01:59:20.479 Mean, neither, I actually have legit, Like I have no 2052 01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:27.760 idea who who murdered this young child? You know, and 2053 01:59:27.840 --> 01:59:29.720 it's sad to look into her eyes and be like, 2054 01:59:29.840 --> 01:59:32.119 you know what, what took your life? 2055 01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:36.119 Man Laurel Canyon. 2056 01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:38.760 Music scene of the ninety sixties, a CIA operation on culture. 2057 01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:41.600 There's all these connections, right, even like according a conspiracy 2058 01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:46.319 theory site on on hived mind, doesn't exist anymore if 2059 01:59:46.359 --> 01:59:50.159 I click on it. Wow, it doesn't exist, of course, 2060 01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:52.520 because they take down like anything. There's a really good 2061 01:59:52.600 --> 01:59:56.079 site that I liked, and we can find the way 2062 01:59:56.119 --> 01:59:59.039 Way back machine, but it's they took down my one 2063 01:59:59.039 --> 02:00:02.520 of my favorite sites for episodes, low low load, you 2064 02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:06.760 piece of shit. And there is a connection to nine 2065 02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:09.319 to eleven. And this one goes actually pretty deep, and 2066 02:00:09.359 --> 02:00:11.239 there's and then no wonder they took down this guy's site. 2067 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:14.920 According to the conspiracy site, John Benay was murdered by 2068 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:20.560 the Royal Canadian Air Force, a colonel operating on behalf 2069 02:00:20.680 --> 02:00:24.520 of the major British and American corporations and the Illuminati 2070 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:28.800 because your father refused to assist America's enemies in planning 2071 02:00:28.960 --> 02:00:36.399 nine to eleven. I don't like Jews. 2072 02:00:37.159 --> 02:00:38.079 That scary stuff. 2073 02:00:39.800 --> 02:00:41.399 Well, if you, if anyone wants to know who did 2074 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:43.359 nine eleven, just look up the dancing Israelis. 2075 02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:53.920 You should find your evidence there? Crazy, why are you 2076 02:00:57.600 --> 02:00:58.560 what a case? 2077 02:00:58.680 --> 02:00:58.840 Man? 2078 02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:01.159 What an interesting case? There's like, oh she was mould 2079 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.800 by wolves. There's so many different theories and as I 2080 02:01:03.960 --> 02:01:06.640 agree with Aaron that you will never be able to 2081 02:01:07.000 --> 02:01:09.680 find the truth about this. So before we end this, 2082 02:01:10.079 --> 02:01:12.479 I want to play one last clip and then we'll 2083 02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:15.560 kind of finish it off because it's you know, yeah, 2084 02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:18.399 I could talk for another hour about like this speculation, 2085 02:01:18.680 --> 02:01:20.119 this that, you know what I mean, I see you 2086 02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:22.199 reading stuff. So I'll play this and then we'll get 2087 02:01:22.199 --> 02:01:23.039 to our final thoughts. 2088 02:01:23.239 --> 02:01:25.720 Dude, there's just like there's too there's too much. Like 2089 02:01:25.960 --> 02:01:28.880 I feel like it's like every time I click on something, 2090 02:01:28.960 --> 02:01:31.039 it's like another twenty five things and I'm like, wait 2091 02:01:31.079 --> 02:01:33.279 a second, but then if that and if this, and 2092 02:01:33.359 --> 02:01:35.359 if that, if that happened, and if they're doing this, 2093 02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:38.600 and I'm like, wow, it's actually like too much. 2094 02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:41.760 We could probably recover at some point, not recover it, 2095 02:01:41.840 --> 02:01:44.760 but do you eat a shorter live stream of maybe 2096 02:01:44.920 --> 02:01:47.359 really taking apart some of the puzzle. 2097 02:01:47.039 --> 02:01:51.640 Pieces and you know, well, I would always feel like that, like, 2098 02:01:51.840 --> 02:01:54.600 let's say I was the one who had committed this crime. 2099 02:01:55.399 --> 02:01:58.960 You wouldn't want it to be, you know, a John 2100 02:01:59.000 --> 02:02:02.000 bin Air Ramsey level or a Madeline McCann level case, 2101 02:02:02.119 --> 02:02:04.560 because it's too much attention. It'll be like Jesus Christ, 2102 02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:06.920 I'm going to get there, going to get caught. But 2103 02:02:07.039 --> 02:02:10.600 then at the same time, this one has gotten that 2104 02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:14.319 much like Madeline McCann. It's gotten so convoluted now that 2105 02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:19.560 it probably suits whoever actually done it because there's too many, 2106 02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:22.199 Like there's a million different theories and none of them 2107 02:02:22.239 --> 02:02:24.520 are really none of them seem to be higher than 2108 02:02:24.520 --> 02:02:26.159 the other. They're all just kind of like, well, we 2109 02:02:26.239 --> 02:02:27.079 don't whatever. 2110 02:02:27.279 --> 02:02:31.159 It's just like this ether, right, and everyone's like picking 2111 02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:33.600 out these certain parts and trying to like solve this 2112 02:02:33.760 --> 02:02:37.000 puzzle piece. There is a missing piece that it seems 2113 02:02:37.039 --> 02:02:40.159 like nobody knows though, and maybe it was them messing 2114 02:02:40.239 --> 02:02:42.720 up the evidence. There are so many things you could 2115 02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:46.600 point to of you know, because we are peeling the onion. 2116 02:02:46.680 --> 02:02:48.680 As one of the fans said, so let's play. 2117 02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:56.439 This was Jon Banay's killer, lurking in the audience as 2118 02:02:56.520 --> 02:02:59.520 she competed in those little Girl beauty pageants. The new 2119 02:02:59.640 --> 02:03:04.680 Netflix documentary series Who Killed John Beney Ramsey is reigniting 2120 02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:08.960 America's most challenging cold case. It reveals that the parents 2121 02:03:09.039 --> 02:03:12.520 of other competitors were creeped out and who showed up 2122 02:03:12.560 --> 02:03:13.399 at the pageants. 2123 02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:16.199 The families were there. They knew each other very well 2124 02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:19.159 from going to a lot of these pageants, so anyone 2125 02:03:19.239 --> 02:03:25.720 who was alone, especially a male alone, was scrutinized observed. 2126 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:29.760 In the early days of the case, cops investigated this photographer, 2127 02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:33.760 Randy Simons, who took these haunting images of John Beney 2128 02:03:34.000 --> 02:03:37.720 and for a time was a person of interest inside Editions. 2129 02:03:37.760 --> 02:03:40.680 Spoke to him in nineteen ninety seven about her final 2130 02:03:40.840 --> 02:03:41.600 photo shoot. 2131 02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:43.720 This is a very special day. 2132 02:03:44.039 --> 02:03:47.720 He defended the heavy makeup and adult clothes. John Benet 2133 02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:48.680 war it's. 2134 02:03:48.640 --> 02:03:50.319 Really a matter of writing and what you can bring 2135 02:03:50.399 --> 02:03:52.239 up into the facial features and the lips to show 2136 02:03:52.279 --> 02:03:53.279 expression on camera. 2137 02:03:53.479 --> 02:03:56.079 But there were other images he allegedly kept on the 2138 02:03:56.159 --> 02:03:59.960 wall of his dark room. According to the new Netflix documentary, 2139 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:01.720 when the police went. 2140 02:04:01.600 --> 02:04:06.439 To his studio, his photography studio, they found some inappropriate 2141 02:04:06.560 --> 02:04:08.600 pictures of snap children. 2142 02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:12.680 In nineteen ninety eight, Simons was arrested running naked in 2143 02:04:12.760 --> 02:04:16.840 the street shouting I did not kill John Benet. Simon's 2144 02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:19.640 DNA does not match DNA found at the scene of 2145 02:04:19.800 --> 02:04:23.439 John Benet's murder, but his life went into a downward spiral. 2146 02:04:23.920 --> 02:04:27.680 In twenty nineteen, he was arrested in Oregon Forget this 2147 02:04:28.520 --> 02:04:33.920 Child pornography. He's currently behind bars until at least twenty thirty. 2148 02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:40.880 In twenty sixteen, we spoke with some of the girls 2149 02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:44.079 who competed with John Bennet. Brandy Veal still has all 2150 02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:47.840 her pageant paraphernalia. She performed in a dance troupe with 2151 02:04:47.960 --> 02:04:50.840 John Benet and took this picture with her at a 2152 02:04:50.960 --> 02:04:53.920 Christmas party a week before she was killed. 2153 02:04:54.279 --> 02:04:57.279 Pageants was a big part of my life and there 2154 02:04:57.439 --> 02:04:58.840 was such a stigma around that. 2155 02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:03.000 Yeah, I didn't want to go there for a while. 2156 02:05:03.319 --> 02:05:06.399 Felper Gosney also competed with John Bennet. 2157 02:05:06.920 --> 02:05:08.279 I remember her personality. 2158 02:05:08.399 --> 02:05:10.840 I remember the spunk she had on stage. 2159 02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:21.479 The whole thing is just weirdd choice of I know, man, 2160 02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:23.640 the whole thing is weird and creepy. 2161 02:05:24.800 --> 02:05:27.039 I don't know. If if I was being interviewed about her, though, 2162 02:05:27.079 --> 02:05:30.680 I would say, oh, yeah, it's so unforgettable, the spunk 2163 02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:34.399 she had. Yeah, I know. I'll even use that reference 2164 02:05:34.439 --> 02:05:35.199 books and. 2165 02:05:35.560 --> 02:05:37.560 Like them being like, oh, the stigma around it, Yeah, 2166 02:05:37.600 --> 02:05:40.760 you were parading around in like little outfits. That whole 2167 02:05:40.800 --> 02:05:43.119 thing is fucking weird and it will always be weird 2168 02:05:43.159 --> 02:05:46.680 to me. So very interesting case. I'm glad we cover this. 2169 02:05:46.800 --> 02:05:50.239 I think we did a justice. Like you know, I 2170 02:05:50.560 --> 02:05:53.279 think being able to wrap it up in one part 2171 02:05:53.439 --> 02:05:58.640 makes so much more Jesus trying to click that stupid 2172 02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:00.159 song again, I. 2173 02:06:00.279 --> 02:06:06.079 Was John Benney me with a fucking rope. 2174 02:06:06.039 --> 02:06:10.920 You know, like it's that guy's song. It is just bizarre. Yeah, 2175 02:06:11.119 --> 02:06:14.399 I I appreciate everybody that tuned into Live h you know, 2176 02:06:14.479 --> 02:06:16.640 and when I wanted to do our own spin on this, 2177 02:06:17.279 --> 02:06:19.840 you know, it's it's it's kind of came into the 2178 02:06:19.880 --> 02:06:22.319 limelight again. I've actually always wanted to cover this, and 2179 02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:23.680 we're gonna do it a couple of years ago, but 2180 02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:26.000 I thought this was the perfect time too. 2181 02:06:26.560 --> 02:06:28.159 I don't know, I still don't know. 2182 02:06:28.359 --> 02:06:32.239 I don't think we'll ever know what's your final thoughts, 2183 02:06:32.239 --> 02:06:35.239 because I'm still like I'm as perplexed. You know, you 2184 02:06:35.279 --> 02:06:36.920 could say, I I don't really know. 2185 02:06:38.720 --> 02:06:41.399 It's just yeah, I'm the same like I feel like 2186 02:06:41.439 --> 02:06:44.920 sometimes like most of the time, I'll have like some 2187 02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:48.640 sort of like conclusion. I will have come to Yeah, 2188 02:06:51.920 --> 02:07:00.359 I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. There's 2189 02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:02.960 there's like there's so many things there wildlie video was playing. 2190 02:07:03.000 --> 02:07:07.319 I was reading another thing. The head of the Boulder 2191 02:07:07.399 --> 02:07:11.279 County Sex Abuse Team, Holly Smith, said that when they 2192 02:07:11.319 --> 02:07:12.960 went into the house and they were going through all 2193 02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:16.399 her belongings and stuff, that they discovered a drawer full 2194 02:07:16.399 --> 02:07:20.239 of stained underwear and said that it looked like John 2195 02:07:20.279 --> 02:07:23.479 Beney constantly either wet herself or shit her pants, which 2196 02:07:23.640 --> 02:07:28.239 was an immediate red flag that actually points to sexual abuse. 2197 02:07:28.279 --> 02:07:31.239 To yees six year old, doing this is not normal. 2198 02:07:33.680 --> 02:07:36.000 And yet the Ramseys never stopped the mind that their 2199 02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:41.960 child had never ever been abused. This person, this lady 2200 02:07:42.119 --> 02:07:44.520 gave her report, and she was a literal professional who 2201 02:07:44.600 --> 02:07:47.600 was specifically trained to watch out for signs of child 2202 02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:52.199 sex abuse and had twenty years of experience. John Benney 2203 02:07:52.600 --> 02:07:57.159 was hidden so well with some families. Man soiled herself 2204 02:07:57.359 --> 02:08:00.560 on a semi regular basis, and she can pcluded this 2205 02:08:00.840 --> 02:08:06.079 was not a mere wiping issue. That's fucked. I mean 2206 02:08:06.520 --> 02:08:08.319 that just disturbs me. Man and and. 2207 02:08:09.920 --> 02:08:15.399 That is a sign, So like what is I'm almost 2208 02:08:15.520 --> 02:08:19.479 leaning more towards the idea that they pimped out out 2209 02:08:19.560 --> 02:08:21.199 their daughter to god knows who. 2210 02:08:21.720 --> 02:08:25.520 Maybe that's you know, that's funny because that also became 2211 02:08:25.760 --> 02:08:29.760 a pretty big storyline in the Madela McCann thing as well, 2212 02:08:30.079 --> 02:08:31.359 that it went down that road. 2213 02:08:32.399 --> 02:08:34.840 Well, I'm like, I'm not really convinced, Like there's some 2214 02:08:35.000 --> 02:08:39.159 people that reached the status of fame in fortune that 2215 02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:44.399 you know, actually do work hard. But his connections in 2216 02:08:44.479 --> 02:08:47.920 the nine to eleven thing, and I'm sure connections if 2217 02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:50.720 you really look deep enough to certain people. 2218 02:08:50.960 --> 02:08:55.800 And I don't know, I just it seems really weird, 2219 02:08:58.359 --> 02:08:59.479 and there's a. 2220 02:08:59.560 --> 02:09:07.319 Possible that, Okay, like Paul Bernardo right where they they 2221 02:09:07.439 --> 02:09:11.640 try to drug Tammy, Carla Hamoka's sister. You can we 2222 02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:13.840 have an audio episode of this out that me and 2223 02:09:13.920 --> 02:09:15.960 Billy covered many years ago. It's actually pretty old at 2224 02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:19.640 this point, you know, And they they drug up Tammy 2225 02:09:19.880 --> 02:09:22.720 and then they accidentally give her too much drugs and 2226 02:09:22.800 --> 02:09:28.079 she dies. Because Paul Bernardo wants say he always fantasized 2227 02:09:28.079 --> 02:09:31.000 about Carla Hamoka's younger daughter, something happens and then they 2228 02:09:31.039 --> 02:09:33.319 have to. They they cover it up and they say 2229 02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:35.760 that she got too drunk and she choked on her 2230 02:09:35.880 --> 02:09:40.039 vomit whatever they claimed, right, So part of me thinks that, 2231 02:09:41.600 --> 02:09:45.560 you know, and maybe it was the was the brother 2232 02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:50.680 abused also, and that's why he's just so standoffish and weird. 2233 02:09:51.760 --> 02:09:55.760 But here here's a before we am I supposed finish 2234 02:09:55.840 --> 02:10:01.079 this out. Here's a really interesting theory. So someone says, 2235 02:10:01.159 --> 02:10:03.840 I don't. I admit I'm probably like most people and 2236 02:10:03.920 --> 02:10:06.439 don't have a fully fleshed out theory. I don't have 2237 02:10:06.479 --> 02:10:09.840 an explanation for every single odd tangent that one can 2238 02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:12.880 trace in every direction from this incident. But I also 2239 02:10:13.000 --> 02:10:15.640 feel like it could be somewhat obvious. When the child 2240 02:10:15.800 --> 02:10:18.560 is sexually abused, it's almost always a close family member 2241 02:10:18.680 --> 02:10:21.039 or a friend right away. I favor one of the 2242 02:10:21.159 --> 02:10:25.000 Ramses or close rether Thans over a random stranger. John 2243 02:10:25.039 --> 02:10:28.479 Beney had evidence of chronic sexual abuse in addition to 2244 02:10:28.760 --> 02:10:31.840 fresh abrasions when she was taken from this world. She 2245 02:10:31.960 --> 02:10:35.039 goes missing from her own home, which arguably had no 2246 02:10:35.199 --> 02:10:37.479 sign of fourth century The basement window had been broken 2247 02:10:37.520 --> 02:10:39.399 for a long time, with no evidence of the dust 2248 02:10:39.439 --> 02:10:42.479 being disturbed nor the suitcase beneath it in the middle 2249 02:10:42.680 --> 02:10:46.800 of Christmas night, and she is killed with items that 2250 02:10:46.960 --> 02:10:50.760 were found in the home belonging to the family. A 2251 02:10:50.840 --> 02:10:53.880 ransom not was written on her mother's stationary pad and pen. 2252 02:10:54.439 --> 02:10:56.920 The fibers from her mom and dad were found in 2253 02:10:57.119 --> 02:11:00.920 her panties. Yes, doing a laundry, caring for a child, 2254 02:11:00.920 --> 02:11:02.760 that could absolutely cause that. When you look at the 2255 02:11:02.840 --> 02:11:05.560 totality of evidence, the idea that the stranger did it 2256 02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:09.760 seems simply implausible. People who claim Burke did it blow 2257 02:11:09.840 --> 02:11:12.119 my mind. So I'm not going to linger nor argue 2258 02:11:12.159 --> 02:11:14.359 on this one. But look, even if a little boy 2259 02:11:14.600 --> 02:11:17.399 killed or nearly killed his sister, no parent goes through 2260 02:11:18.079 --> 02:11:21.800 after that with violently sexually assaulting and strangling their daughter 2261 02:11:21.880 --> 02:11:24.000 to death and dumping her body in the basement. If 2262 02:11:24.039 --> 02:11:27.199 they weren't all, if they weren't already willing to rape 2263 02:11:27.319 --> 02:11:30.199 and kill their own kid, or had done something similar 2264 02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:33.239 to this before. I find this in asline theory, no offense. 2265 02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:37.560 It just doesn't compute for me my subjective, half baked theory. 2266 02:11:38.119 --> 02:11:40.640 I think John had been molesting John Maine, and I 2267 02:11:40.720 --> 02:11:43.800 think Patsy is a very gullible naive and malleable and 2268 02:11:43.960 --> 02:11:47.560 sick woman who lets herself be manipulated by her horrible husband. 2269 02:11:48.680 --> 02:11:50.520 She says she was too out of it and too 2270 02:11:50.640 --> 02:11:53.680 sick from Jomine's murder to even feed herself, But John 2271 02:11:53.800 --> 02:11:57.239 Ramsey ensured that she was showing up to those media interviews. 2272 02:11:57.319 --> 02:12:00.720 It seems, at least I think he loves control the narrative. 2273 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:02.920 If he gave a damn about John Mainey, he would 2274 02:12:02.920 --> 02:12:06.079 have stopped. He wouldn't have stopped cooperating with the police, 2275 02:12:06.479 --> 02:12:09.600 and he wouldn't have kept feeding the media fuel for 2276 02:12:09.720 --> 02:12:12.239 their Burke did it fire. If he cared about Burke, 2277 02:12:12.279 --> 02:12:14.880 he would have stopped stroking that fire long ago. Yet 2278 02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:17.079 here he is every year saying I know who did it, 2279 02:12:17.159 --> 02:12:19.600 but the cops won't listen. If he cared about Patsy, 2280 02:12:19.680 --> 02:12:22.199 he'd have let her grieve in peace. Patsy was a 2281 02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:24.399 weak woman who deferred to John. I don't see a 2282 02:12:24.479 --> 02:12:27.199 world where she killed John Maney and he helped cover 2283 02:12:27.239 --> 02:12:30.079 it up or believed her to be innocent. Somehow, I 2284 02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:32.439 think that he killed her, and I think he convinced 2285 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:34.800 Patty Patsy in some way to help him cover it up. 2286 02:12:35.159 --> 02:12:38.399 Whether true lies or manipulation or both. I also see 2287 02:12:38.439 --> 02:12:40.319 women like her in these types of stories, willing to 2288 02:12:40.399 --> 02:12:43.439 hurt their kids for their husband. For example, see Into 2289 02:12:43.479 --> 02:12:46.039 the Fire and Netflix documentary, or even a Menenda's Kiss. 2290 02:12:46.720 --> 02:12:50.000 He's out here gratifying himself, knowing that he is controlling 2291 02:12:50.039 --> 02:12:52.279 the narrative, knowing he got away with it, and knowing 2292 02:12:52.319 --> 02:12:54.640 he's lived a long life and would likely never see prison. 2293 02:12:54.760 --> 02:12:57.439 He's sick end the story. But why did he get 2294 02:12:57.479 --> 02:13:00.000 away with it? The incompetent police department, in my tears, 2295 02:13:00.399 --> 02:13:03.159 made so many blunders that they would have had to 2296 02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:06.239 reveal their ineptitude in order to begin truly working on 2297 02:13:06.399 --> 02:13:09.359 solving the case. I believe that John's money and influence 2298 02:13:09.399 --> 02:13:12.000 also helped him greatly, but I don't think it was 2299 02:13:12.279 --> 02:13:14.399 a grand scheme to get a rich guy off a 2300 02:13:14.520 --> 02:13:17.600 murder charge. Just he had a lot of influence, knew 2301 02:13:17.720 --> 02:13:19.640 a lot of the right people, and had more grace 2302 02:13:19.680 --> 02:13:21.760 given to him than anyone else would have. If this 2303 02:13:21.800 --> 02:13:23.359 had have happened in the home of the poor trailer 2304 02:13:23.439 --> 02:13:26.399 fag family in Louisiana, it would have been much smaller 2305 02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:28.399 media story and the parents would have been in prison 2306 02:13:28.720 --> 02:13:31.720 for the rest of their lives. In short, I can't 2307 02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:35.079 help but feel that John Ramsey is either directly the 2308 02:13:35.239 --> 02:13:39.640 source of the murder or closely involved. Makes sense. 2309 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:44.439 Honestly, that is a very good breakdown because it makes sense. Man, 2310 02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:50.760 it's definitely someone close in as a he And honestly, 2311 02:13:50.840 --> 02:13:52.680 if you look at him the way he talks, like 2312 02:13:53.600 --> 02:13:56.119 I was like, maybe you know, he's trying to he's 2313 02:13:56.119 --> 02:13:58.199 telling the truth and stuff like that, but there's something 2314 02:13:59.479 --> 02:14:01.399 emotion less about the way he speaks. 2315 02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:04.600 Yeah, and and and I know I keep I've done 2316 02:14:04.640 --> 02:14:09.399 it like this entire episode, but he reminds me so 2317 02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:11.680 much of when you look at Jerry mccannon, very same thing, 2318 02:14:11.840 --> 02:14:16.199 very clinical, very cold, very just like matter of fact 2319 02:14:16.279 --> 02:14:19.479 about everything. Doesn't seem to get too emotional while we're 2320 02:14:19.560 --> 02:14:22.680 or the other. Even when he's like trying to when 2321 02:14:22.720 --> 02:14:26.880 people have kind of confronted him in interviews, he doesn't 2322 02:14:27.199 --> 02:14:30.600 really ever get like put out of his character. He 2323 02:14:30.720 --> 02:14:33.720 kind of his rebuttals are always very robotic and very. 2324 02:14:33.760 --> 02:14:36.199 Like, yeah, we can cover that in the new year. 2325 02:14:36.319 --> 02:14:39.359 Maybe we'll go live for it too, because like it's 2326 02:14:39.399 --> 02:14:43.079 so you know, we could we could speculate all night long, right, 2327 02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:45.760 it is that's a good breakdown because I just feel 2328 02:14:45.800 --> 02:14:50.760 like he definitely is involved, and like what sociopaths and 2329 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:54.720 psychod pass do is they're like they revel in the 2330 02:14:54.800 --> 02:14:55.960 fact that they weren't caught. 2331 02:14:57.159 --> 02:14:58.199 Some of them like to be good. 2332 02:14:58.479 --> 02:15:00.560 I just feel like he's like I about smarter at you, 2333 02:15:01.239 --> 02:15:03.119 and he could have he could have connections that we 2334 02:15:03.199 --> 02:15:06.159 don't even know about, or like hush, hush, some of 2335 02:15:06.199 --> 02:15:08.439 the people he knew, some of the people he worked with, 2336 02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:13.319 you know. So yeah, everybody out there, I thank you 2337 02:15:13.479 --> 02:15:15.600 very much for joining us on this live stream. For 2338 02:15:15.680 --> 02:15:19.680 all the people catching it late, definitely rewatch it, like comment, 2339 02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:24.520 share it. We appreciate anybody that that supports the show, 2340 02:15:24.720 --> 02:15:26.880 five star rate and reviews. You can buy merch on 2341 02:15:26.960 --> 02:15:30.319 the site like that. I'm wearing my Class Horror Cast design. 2342 02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:33.680 It depends if you want to go live on Rumble, 2343 02:15:33.680 --> 02:15:35.319 I'll shoot it to mine. We got something going on 2344 02:15:35.479 --> 02:15:38.239 Thursday that we're gonna do for Class Horror Cast a 2345 02:15:38.319 --> 02:15:42.840 little watch a lot, so something really fun about Elves. 2346 02:15:42.960 --> 02:15:44.680 It's gonna be it's a fun time. We're gonna I 2347 02:15:44.760 --> 02:15:47.039 will we'll broadcast it to at least Rumble because we 2348 02:15:47.079 --> 02:15:51.119 won't get copyright on there. I appreciate everybody. Thanks fellows 2349 02:15:51.119 --> 02:15:54.439 a great show. We're trying our best, and I true 2350 02:15:54.479 --> 02:15:57.800 crime has always been always been something that I'm like 2351 02:15:58.119 --> 02:15:59.880 really able to dissect, especially me in air. 2352 02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:02.319 And we found this, especially when. 2353 02:16:02.159 --> 02:16:04.319 We started the show together, and we started found this 2354 02:16:04.479 --> 02:16:08.199 niche of how we could especially with true true crime cases. 2355 02:16:08.279 --> 02:16:09.800 We're both there what that is? 2356 02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:13.439 Yeah, even like the Toy Box Killer, if you guys 2357 02:16:13.479 --> 02:16:17.520 have not watched or listened to that episode, it's wild. 2358 02:16:17.680 --> 02:16:19.800 So we covered that and that was like we started 2359 02:16:19.840 --> 02:16:27.239 to show our true chops. Even another podcaster or Shame 2360 02:16:27.279 --> 02:16:30.960 from Inqueriers of Reality was like, of our reality. I 2361 02:16:31.000 --> 02:16:32.680 always sucked it up, but like he was like, man, 2362 02:16:32.719 --> 02:16:34.760 how did you guys Like we're like joking and laughing 2363 02:16:34.799 --> 02:16:36.799 about that shit. He's like so fucked up, But I 2364 02:16:36.920 --> 02:16:39.799 was like, you gotta laugh or you'll be crying, right, 2365 02:16:39.959 --> 02:16:42.959 So make sure you like support the show. You can 2366 02:16:43.040 --> 02:16:47.239 buy merch. Everything should be in the link tree underneath 2367 02:16:47.280 --> 02:16:50.120 every episode. 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Yeah, it means 2374 02:17:10.920 --> 02:17:12.879 a lot for the people that tune in and that 2375 02:17:13.000 --> 02:17:13.799 support the show. 2376 02:17:14.399 --> 02:17:15.120 You have no idea. 2377 02:17:15.159 --> 02:17:16.760 We're reaching more and more people all the time, and 2378 02:17:17.000 --> 02:17:19.159 it warms my heart because I know there's we're gaining 2379 02:17:19.200 --> 02:17:21.159 more and more people all the time. And you know, 2380 02:17:21.319 --> 02:17:23.920 I've spent a lot of time and effort into the show, 2381 02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:27.040 even the time where we've had over one hundred episodes 2382 02:17:27.079 --> 02:17:31.079 taken off put on Patreon for people for extra content. 2383 02:17:31.159 --> 02:17:35.159 But this show was a slow start, but we finally 2384 02:17:35.520 --> 02:17:38.879 gained I think our presence and how to do this 2385 02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:41.319 podcast thing, and I think we're getting better and better 2386 02:17:41.399 --> 02:17:44.040 at all the time. So now Aaron show your stuff 2387 02:17:44.479 --> 02:17:47.479 and everyone, Yeah, tune in Thursday. We're gonna be doing 2388 02:17:47.520 --> 02:17:50.920 something on Rumble, especially at Class Horror cast on Rumble, 2389 02:17:50.959 --> 02:17:54.520 Stranger Podcast, also cast it to my Stuff and then Sunday, 2390 02:17:54.600 --> 02:17:58.159 Sunday Sunday football football, football, not football, we're gonna be 2391 02:17:58.280 --> 02:18:01.920 doing our Christmas spe Okay, it's gonna be a Christmas 2392 02:18:01.959 --> 02:18:07.280 Live Special two pm Eastern Time this Sunday, December twenty second. 2393 02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:10.360 Whatever this Sunday is, make sure to tune in. Even 2394 02:18:10.399 --> 02:18:12.639 the people are listening on audio, tune into that. It's 2395 02:18:12.639 --> 02:18:15.079 gonna be a lot of fun. Aaron should fucking be 2396 02:18:15.239 --> 02:18:18.440 there for once, and Billy's definitely gonna be there. 2397 02:18:19.159 --> 02:18:20.920 What is the Christmas Special actually about? 2398 02:18:21.319 --> 02:18:24.719 Uh, we're gonna do paranormal We're talking about panormal Christmas stories. 2399 02:18:25.360 --> 02:18:27.799 And then Billy's gonna bring some fun facts that I 2400 02:18:27.959 --> 02:18:30.239 got for him. Because Billy does not do any research 2401 02:18:30.280 --> 02:18:34.120 into the show. I don't know how he's able to 2402 02:18:34.200 --> 02:18:38.319 do this get by doing zero research. I know he 2403 02:18:38.440 --> 02:18:39.879 just comes in and reacts everything. 2404 02:18:40.120 --> 02:18:41.479 Somehow he's able to do it. 2405 02:18:41.799 --> 02:18:44.719 I know he's got that comedic presence. But yeah, share 2406 02:18:44.760 --> 02:18:45.920 your stuff and then we'll bring it. 2407 02:18:45.959 --> 02:18:47.200 To a close. 2408 02:18:47.840 --> 02:18:48.040 Yeah. 2409 02:18:48.200 --> 02:18:49.920 Like look much the same as what Tom said for 2410 02:18:50.079 --> 02:18:54.159 both shows. Really the the link tree, you'll find everything 2411 02:18:54.239 --> 02:19:00.559 from there x as on Class Underscore Horror on Instagram, 2412 02:19:00.600 --> 02:19:03.559 probably most active on your first Class Horror. Have Class 2413 02:19:03.639 --> 02:19:06.520 horror cast dot com. We have t shirts and stuff. 2414 02:19:06.520 --> 02:19:08.760 I'm gonna rework all that stuff coming in the new year. 2415 02:19:08.799 --> 02:19:11.200 I'm gonna rework a lot of things with the show 2416 02:19:11.920 --> 02:19:15.479 and switch up and have you know, mini episodes and 2417 02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:18.079 really push the Patreon and stuff like that, and do 2418 02:19:18.280 --> 02:19:21.040 a lot of exclusive stuff that I've neglected for the 2419 02:19:21.120 --> 02:19:24.920 last twelve months. But yeah, I would say the best 2420 02:19:24.959 --> 02:19:27.680 place to keep I guess an eye on what we're 2421 02:19:27.719 --> 02:19:30.479 doing on my side would be on Instagram. That's where 2422 02:19:30.479 --> 02:19:32.079 I am most active. But I do try and post 2423 02:19:32.120 --> 02:19:35.440 on a lot of other platforms, but it just doesn't, 2424 02:19:35.559 --> 02:19:37.959 I don't know, for some reason. Horror content, much like 2425 02:19:38.120 --> 02:19:41.399 true crime, much like conspiracy stuff, it does kind of 2426 02:19:41.520 --> 02:19:43.159 get pushed at the bottom of the pylon a lot 2427 02:19:43.200 --> 02:19:44.360 of these platforms, which sucks. 2428 02:19:44.920 --> 02:19:47.559 But I asked me about politics, and I was like, 2429 02:19:47.840 --> 02:19:51.920 this guy's better than this guy. Like it's just like, man, 2430 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:55.360 the amount of people that are like Pp Trudeau pee 2431 02:19:55.520 --> 02:19:58.440 versus so garbage to me. I'm like, all these politicians 2432 02:19:58.479 --> 02:20:02.799 are parasites. Did you realize that political content is because 2433 02:20:02.799 --> 02:20:06.440 everyone's kind of concerned about the future of the world 2434 02:20:06.559 --> 02:20:10.879 and the war and politics and who's in power. They're 2435 02:20:10.879 --> 02:20:15.360 all parasites. They're all actively working on your destruction while 2436 02:20:15.399 --> 02:20:18.520 they enrich themselves. So please stop paying attention to anything 2437 02:20:18.559 --> 02:20:21.520 that's being said in Congress or the House of Parliament, 2438 02:20:22.520 --> 02:20:25.440 with the House of Comments, Parliament, whatever. Stop paying attention 2439 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:27.600 to it. Man, these people are just gonna eat you alive, 2440 02:20:27.719 --> 02:20:30.639 as my song said, so you can support my music also, 2441 02:20:30.799 --> 02:20:33.840 though Raptilian on YouTube, we're gonna make a music video 2442 02:20:33.879 --> 02:20:35.840 for my new song Parasites in Parliament. 2443 02:20:36.280 --> 02:20:38.399 I will keep going on and on. 2444 02:20:38.760 --> 02:20:42.559 It is the same bird. Yes, so everybody support the show. 2445 02:20:42.600 --> 02:20:44.559 We love you, like comment all that stuff, and we 2446 02:20:44.680 --> 02:20:49.719 appreciate you. Thank you for tuning in, and stay strange fuckers.