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Speaker 1: I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and
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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here looking. I'm new to one down now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the Boddy out here? Quote on out there? I
Speaker 2: thought of a bet about nine. I don't know easy
Speaker 2: ann ount there. Yeah, I'm walking right headyo.
Speaker 1: He there, and thanks so much for joining me for
Speaker 1: this show. This episode is featuring another one of those
Speaker 1: guest appearances I did over on a show several months back.
Speaker 1: It was in the beginning of the year. I was
Speaker 1: over on with inquiries of our reality on Open Minds
Speaker 1: Media on YouTube. As per usual, I started off talking
Speaker 1: about some of my experiences and some of the things
Speaker 1: that you guys have heard me talk about before. But
Speaker 1: I did get into some things later on in the
Speaker 1: interview that I don't normally talk about, So there are
Speaker 1: some new things if you want to skip through some
Speaker 1: of the things in the beginning that you've heard me
Speaker 1: say before. We do get into some conversations about the
Speaker 1: things I think you would find interesting. That said, make
Speaker 1: sure you're back here. On Friday, I had a wonderful
Speaker 1: conversation with Christopher Noel, best known probably to you guys
Speaker 1: as the guy who filmed the quote unquote Porcupine Bigfoot video,
Speaker 1: and he famously or infamously came up with the possibility,
Speaker 1: at least in his mind, that Bigfoot may be some
Speaker 1: sort of autistic savann. He's written a couple of books
Speaker 1: about that. We certainly get into that, we talk about
Speaker 1: the video and the interview. It was a really cool
Speaker 1: conversation I think you guys will really enjoy On Friday,
Speaker 1: and make sure you're back here on Sunday. I'm going
Speaker 1: to post another interview I did quite a while back
Speaker 1: over on apocalyptic Anomalies. Another great conversation over there, I
Speaker 1: think you guys will enjoy. And again, I did get
Speaker 1: into some things that I normally don't talk about during
Speaker 1: the interview, so you'll get a little bit of the
Speaker 1: same old, same old, but a lot more of the
Speaker 1: things that you haven't heard me talk about before. So
Speaker 1: hopefully you will enjoy those. And we'll be back to
Speaker 1: regularly scheduled programming next week when we return from our
Speaker 1: trip up to Georgia. So without further ado, all that's
Speaker 1: left for you to do is sit back, relax, and
Speaker 1: enjoy the show.
Speaker 3: Please welcome to the show researcher, author and podcaster Brian
Speaker 3: King Shark. How's it going today, Man.
Speaker 1: I am good man, I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3: Absolute pleasure to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: So here we are. Man, I am glad to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have the invite. I'm always down for
Speaker 1: conversations and that's what I live for, So.
Speaker 3: I guess a good spot to start before we get
Speaker 3: into the meat and potatoes the conversation. I always like
Speaker 3: to play the ground work with people. So for anybody
Speaker 3: that may not be familiar with who you are, what
Speaker 3: you do your podcast, I want you to let him
Speaker 3: know a little bit about yourself and a little bit
Speaker 3: about your background.
Speaker 1: Sure. I guess the thing to start with is I
Speaker 1: spent sixteen years in law enforcement. That's a thing that
Speaker 1: stays with you throughout and it's been one of those
Speaker 1: things that I've had to monitor as I went into podcasting,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be that guy interviewing people
Speaker 1: that was interrogating his guests. At least I had to
Speaker 1: step outside my comfort zone and say, Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be the guy who's interrogating folks. And I
Speaker 1: left that. In twenty sixteen, we decided to buy some properties.
Speaker 1: We left Georgia ended up in North Carolina on forty
Speaker 1: acres of property that I hoped might have some Bigfoot activity.
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, it has it disappointed to
Speaker 1: this point. We live in a four hundred square foot
Speaker 1: tiny house out in the middle of nowhere, in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods, which sounds like a nightmare to
Speaker 1: some people. To me, it's living the dream.
Speaker 3: Sounds like peace, man, I'm jealous.
Speaker 1: It is definitely peaceful out here, man, It's definitely peaceful.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I guess the next big thing
Speaker 1: would be after leaving law enforcement, I worked some odd
Speaker 1: jobs here and there. I was working in retail at
Speaker 1: a shitty job that I really hated, working fifty hours
Speaker 1: a week, driving two hours a day round trip to
Speaker 1: a job that I hated, managing fifty people. I was
Speaker 1: dying inside man and I wanted to do something different.
Speaker 1: And I've always been into music. I was a singer.
Speaker 1: I was in bands from my teenage years on through
Speaker 1: most of my adulthood. And I like to perform. I
Speaker 1: like to work with audio. I like to talk to people.
Speaker 1: I was looking for something. I really was into Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to people who had experiences with bigfoot,
Speaker 1: particularly in the southeastern United States, where I was born
Speaker 1: and raised. A friend of mine turned me onto a
Speaker 1: podcast a couple of years ago. I listened to the
Speaker 1: first couple of episodes of an encounters based podcast. I
Speaker 1: was hooked with the stories. I was hooked with people
Speaker 1: saying that they had experiences with this eight nine foot
Speaker 1: tall bipedal homtid in North America. I was fascinated with
Speaker 1: how many stories there were, where the stories were coming from.
Speaker 1: I wanted to start talking to people in Georgia, in Tennessee,
Speaker 1: in Florida, and the Carolinas, where I was born and
Speaker 1: raised that had those kind of experiences, because at least
Speaker 1: I was one of those people that thought of Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: And you think about the Pacific Northwest, right, you think
Speaker 1: of Patty. It's got to be Bluff Creek in California
Speaker 1: and anywhere up in the Pacific Northwest area for there
Speaker 1: to be a Bigfoot. But people were experiencing those things
Speaker 1: in the southeastern United States. I knew that because I
Speaker 1: grew up as a child hearing those stories in the
Speaker 1: area that I was living in at the time, which
Speaker 1: was North Georgia, and there was story everywhere about people
Speaker 1: running into these big, hairy creatures. They called him wild man,
Speaker 1: wooly man, harry Man, sasquatching. Bigfoot wasn't really in the
Speaker 1: nomenclature back then. It beasts in that area. I was
Speaker 1: fascinated with that. I wanted to talk to people, so
Speaker 1: I started a podcast. I can always record these people
Speaker 1: talking to me, because I was really just doing it
Speaker 1: for me. I wanted to have those conversations for me
Speaker 1: so I could hear from these people what their experiences were,
Speaker 1: and then I wanted to compare them to where I
Speaker 1: was hearing experiences and the places to see if there
Speaker 1: were correlations or if anything crossed over. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: I got into some Facebook groups. I probably joined five
Speaker 1: hundred Facebook groups and got into everything Bigfoot, and I
Speaker 1: just started putting it out there, just a casting call. Hey,
Speaker 1: if you've had an experience of Bigfoot, and you're in
Speaker 1: North Carolina or South Carolina or Georgia or Tennessee or Florida,
Speaker 1: or basically anywhere, just reach out to me. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Started recording the show on my phone.
Speaker 1: Sounded horrible, It was horrible. I had no idea how
Speaker 1: to podcast, I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 1: But I was talking to people. That was the main thing.
Speaker 1: So I started talking to people, inner viewing them, recording
Speaker 1: the interviews, and I started putting out the episodes. I
Speaker 1: think I posted the first episode of Sasquatch Odyssey back
Speaker 1: its February of twenty twenty one. People, of course, weren't listening.
Speaker 1: It was a brand new podcast that nobody had ever
Speaker 1: heard of. You look at your numbers and you had
Speaker 1: thirty downloads in a week, and think, I didn't really
Speaker 1: get into this for people to listen to it. I
Speaker 1: just got into it for me and I kept putting
Speaker 1: the episodes out, and I don't know, probably three months in,
Speaker 1: I get an email from Wes Germer at Sasquatch Chronicles saying, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I listened to your show. The show's good, but your
Speaker 1: audio sucks, so let me help you with your audio.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, that was the first podcast I
Speaker 1: ever listened to. I'm I going to say no, of
Speaker 1: course not. We got on the phone and Wes helped
Speaker 1: me with some equipment. I ordered the board that he
Speaker 1: uses I'm still using it to this day, a microphone.
Speaker 1: He spent hours on the phone helping me set it
Speaker 1: up and dial it in. It changed the audio of
Speaker 1: the show literally overnight. It went from amateur hour to wow,
Speaker 1: this actually sounds like a podcast. And then people started
Speaker 1: People were already listening. I had a pretty decent following
Speaker 1: three months in. She's doing a couple of thousand downloads
Speaker 1: a month. At that point. It was the next year,
Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty two, I left my full time
Speaker 1: job and I started podcasting full time and I haven't
Speaker 1: looked back. I've been podcasting full time now for ash
Speaker 1: Go a little over two years. Bigfoot just sucks You
Speaker 1: in it's like any other crypto. It really is everything
Speaker 1: I do every single day, whether I'm in the woods
Speaker 1: on my property, I'm writing a book or interviewing somebody
Speaker 1: or doing a speaking gig. It's literally carried me around
Speaker 1: the world. At this point, I'm doing a speaking gig
Speaker 1: next month in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3: Well, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Who thought I would ever be in the United Kingdom
Speaker 1: if talking about Bigfoot as a headline speaker with Jeff Meldrum.
Speaker 1: You could have never told me that was even in
Speaker 1: the cards for me back then when I first started
Speaker 1: getting into this. But it really the best decision I
Speaker 1: ever made was at that point as a podcaster. And
Speaker 1: there's probably somebody listening right now who has done a
Speaker 1: podcast or is into podcasting. That gets to the point
Speaker 1: where if you've monetized your show, you get to a
Speaker 1: point where I was teetering on I'm almost replacing my
Speaker 1: income that I'm making this crappy job that I hate,
Speaker 1: but I'm just not there yet. If I just had
Speaker 1: enough time to spend on the craft of podcasting, I
Speaker 1: think I could make enough money doing this to pay
Speaker 1: my bills and live comfortably. So finally, I said screw it.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna quit my job. I've got to devote
Speaker 1: full time. I gave myself three months. My better half
Speaker 1: was phenomenal and said, just go for it. You're passionate
Speaker 1: about it, You're doing a great job. People love the show.
Speaker 1: Just quit your job. We've got enough money in the
Speaker 1: bank to last three months. Just do it and see
Speaker 1: if it works. Fortunately for me, it worked, and I've
Speaker 1: never had to go back to working a real job.
Speaker 1: I just get to podcast and talk about Bigfoot and
Speaker 1: do speaking gigs and write books about Bigfoot. It's been phenomenal.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit about the story. That's the short
Speaker 1: version of how I got to the point where I'm
Speaker 1: at now. LN props for being able to podcast full time.
Speaker 1: I'm slowly on the cloud and being able to do
Speaker 1: that myself. Once you get into something like this, man,
Speaker 1: it becomes like it's your passion, not so much like
Speaker 1: a job. You have no problem investigating researching this stuff
Speaker 1: all the time. And like you said, podcasting in general,
Speaker 1: cryptids in general, they just become your life at a
Speaker 1: certain point, and once you get to that point, there's
Speaker 1: no looking back. Like you feel like if you just
Speaker 1: stop doing the podcast or you just stop researching this stuff.
Speaker 1: You'd almost feel like missing a part of yourself at
Speaker 1: a certain point. Yeah, I definitely couldn't do it. I
Speaker 1: could not go back. I've said it so many times.
Speaker 1: I would have to find something in and around this
Speaker 1: kind of thing, whether it be podcasting or researching full time.
Speaker 1: It's a hard road to hoe to be a full
Speaker 1: time researcher. They're very few full time researchers. I think
Speaker 1: one of the only ones that I know personally is
Speaker 1: Todd Standing that has been able to do it. Have
Speaker 1: my opinions about Todd, but I give him props because
Speaker 1: he does what he loves to do. It's his full
Speaker 1: time job. He is a full time Bigfoot researcher. Say
Speaker 1: what you want about him. As I said, I've got
Speaker 1: my own opinions about Todd, but he's doing it, and
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to make a living doing this, and
Speaker 1: there's plenty of people that look down on you. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of haters, just like other podcasters who
Speaker 1: do this full time. They really hate the fact that
Speaker 1: you make money off of something they feel like you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be making money off of I've got to know
Speaker 1: the podcast called That Bigfoot Podcast that I host with Wayne,
Speaker 1: my co host, and we've done entire shows about the
Speaker 1: business of bigfoot. I'll go down any road you want
Speaker 1: to go down. But it's something that I'm passionate about
Speaker 1: because there's so many people that get pissed off for
Speaker 1: people doing television shows where they make money on bigfoot,
Speaker 1: or they write a book and make a couple of
Speaker 1: books about Bigfoot, or they charge people to take them
Speaker 1: out in the woods, very much like Todd does on
Speaker 1: his expeditions, Like, look, if somebody is willing to pay
Speaker 1: you thirty five hundred dollars to come out and spend
Speaker 1: seven days in the woods and look for Bigfoot, what's
Speaker 1: the problem with that? Right, it's a free country. It
Speaker 1: is capitalism. People have the ability to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't charge anybody for any of my shows. All of
Speaker 1: my shows are one hundred percent free to everybody. I
Speaker 1: do have memberships where people can get things early and
Speaker 1: they can get ad free shows. But everything I've ever done,
Speaker 1: as far as a podcast, has been put out for
Speaker 1: the mass for free. They may have to sit through
Speaker 1: some ads. We have programmatic ads. That's how we pay
Speaker 1: our bills and liveried ads. But the show has always
Speaker 1: been and will continue to be free. I got off
Speaker 1: on the tangent. Sorry, oh you're good man.
Speaker 3: We can definitely get into the business of Bigfoot, because
Speaker 3: I didn't even want to throw in the idea that
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't realize it with the podcast
Speaker 3: just because they listen to it every week. They enjoy
Speaker 3: it and stuff, but they don't actually realize how much
Speaker 3: is actually going on behind the scenes, that you're spending
Speaker 3: late nights setting up editing, setting up things with guests.
Speaker 3: It's not even like trying to be rude about shying
Speaker 3: to collect money for It's just a matter of if
Speaker 3: you had an artist that's made these beautiful paintings, like
Speaker 3: the person would expect to hopefully make something for their
Speaker 3: time and effort instead of just giving it all away
Speaker 3: for free. I mean it's the same with podcasting, because
Speaker 3: I see it as it's like an art form. You
Speaker 3: work up really hard on it, so everybody deserves to
Speaker 3: get paid for their work realistically. But I definitely, like
Speaker 3: I said, I want to get into the whole business
Speaker 3: a Bigfoot thing like you were just mentioning, and I
Speaker 3: definitely want to make sure that we have time to
Speaker 3: get into your book and get into some of your
Speaker 3: sasquatch experiences. So I guess, whatever road you want to
Speaker 3: lead it down first, I'm here to follow.
Speaker 1: Man, let's go back down to I guess we can
Speaker 1: get the experienced stuff out of the way. There hasn't
Speaker 1: been a ton of experiences. The first experience I believe
Speaker 1: I had with the sasquatch was when I was around
Speaker 1: twelve years old. I was hunting in the woods where
Speaker 1: we lived in northwest Georgia. I didn't see anything, but
Speaker 1: I was out in the woods in an area I
Speaker 1: hadn't been in before. And I get into this area
Speaker 1: and I immediately have that feeling that everybody talks about,
Speaker 1: where the hair on the back of my neck stood up,
Speaker 1: the hair on my arm stood up, and I felt like,
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be here. I need to be
Speaker 1: in another place other than here right now. And then
Speaker 1: I heard something crashing through the woods. It sounded by pedal,
Speaker 1: and in retrospect, I've said it so many times now.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what a bluff charge was back then
Speaker 1: because I was twelve and I was poor, and we
Speaker 1: didn't have much television. So I didn't see what a
Speaker 1: bluff charge was by washing animal planet or whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be, back then, But now I know it
Speaker 1: to be what sounds like a bluff charge. This thing
Speaker 1: is coming ten to twelve feet away from me in
Speaker 1: the scruff in the brush, just outside my field of vision.
Speaker 1: I think it was bluff charging me. I heard huffs, growls, grunts.
Speaker 1: It was nothing that I could identify, and still to
Speaker 1: this day can't identify. It wasn't a deer, It wasn't
Speaker 1: anything that I would know would exist in those woods
Speaker 1: at the time that I had experienced, but I know
Speaker 1: it terrified me. I was stuck in that spot. I
Speaker 1: think I wrote about it in the book, and I
Speaker 1: described it as feeling like my legs were wooden steaks
Speaker 1: that were stuck into the ground. I couldn't move. This
Speaker 1: thing never got any closer than probably ten or twelve feet,
Speaker 1: but I could tell whatever it was pissed off and
Speaker 1: I needed to be out of there. So the fight
Speaker 1: or flight finally kicked in and my legs started working again,
Speaker 1: and I turned around and hauled, asked the six or
Speaker 1: seven eight hundred yards back to the house, jumped over
Speaker 1: the barb boar our fence. I was okay, I'm safe,
Speaker 1: I'm back in the yard. And I went inside and
Speaker 1: my mom was inside, and I didn't tell her what
Speaker 1: had happened. I didn't know how to describe what had happened.
Speaker 1: What am I going to say? Something sounded like a
Speaker 1: bulldozer coming through the woods, huffing and gruffing and growl
Speaker 1: and shitd have been like, yeah, whatever, dude, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to say. I didn't tell her about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell my mom about that experience. I think
Speaker 1: until probably four years ago. Maybe she was like, I
Speaker 1: never knew that happened in that house. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot going on in that house. I
Speaker 1: had some really weird paranormal experiences, ghost experiences in that
Speaker 1: same house. I heard talking, I heard scratching on the walls,
Speaker 1: just a really heavy, sort of demonic kind of feeling.
Speaker 1: And we knew that the people who had lived in
Speaker 1: that house before us had been into devil worship. It
Speaker 1: was a small town, like we didn't even have a
Speaker 1: caution light. Everybody knew everybody, and everybody knew everybody's business.
Speaker 1: These two brothers that were the sons of the guy
Speaker 1: that we were renting the house from We knew that
Speaker 1: they were into devil worshiping and some wild crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was something they conjured up,
Speaker 1: but I dealt with it the entire time we lived
Speaker 1: in that house. It petrified me. It terrified me, so
Speaker 1: I was having that going on inside. Then they could
Speaker 1: bigfoots chasing me in the woods. It was a lot
Speaker 1: going on. And I found out later on my moment
Speaker 1: and I started talking about it. She told me that
Speaker 1: my dad was experiencing things that he had confided in her. Now,
Speaker 1: mind you, he was taking drugs and he was drunk
Speaker 1: most of the time, So I take that with the
Speaker 1: grant as salt. But he was hearing describing experiencing some
Speaker 1: of the very same things that I was. I certainly
Speaker 1: wasn't high or drunk at twelve years old. I think
Speaker 1: there was some continuity in the stories and what might
Speaker 1: have been going on and what we might have been experiencing.
Speaker 1: It was a lot at one time to be dealing
Speaker 1: with at that age. Then after that, just going with
Speaker 1: your life. We moved to a different house, we moved
Speaker 1: into a different area. My mom and dad divorced, and
Speaker 1: a lot of things changed Bigfoot was always there for me,
Speaker 1: but it was just on the periphery of life. You
Speaker 1: go through other things. Nessie was always my favorite cryptid
Speaker 1: even before Bigfoot. You grow up and move on and
Speaker 1: you start working and you do your life. I suppressed
Speaker 1: that for a lot of years when I was in
Speaker 1: law enforcement. You don't go to work as a police
Speaker 1: officer in the City of Atlanta and talk about Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and UFOs. I had a UFO experience when I was sixteen,
Speaker 1: so I definitely had all these experiences. Wasn't something you
Speaker 1: talked about. I did a lot of DUI and I
Speaker 1: went to court all the time, and those DUI attorneys
Speaker 1: are ruthless. They are looking for anything in your past
Speaker 1: or in your life that they can dig up and
Speaker 1: talk about to discredit you on the stand. Because I
Speaker 1: was winning a lot of DUI cases, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about anything like that until I got out
Speaker 1: of law enforcement. Like I said, my better half and
Speaker 1: I were both City of Atlanta police officers. We left
Speaker 1: that in twenty sixteen, and then I was able to
Speaker 1: get back into what I really loved, which was being
Speaker 1: in the woods. And I really got into the Bigfoot podcast.
Speaker 1: Like I said, and it was just something that the
Speaker 1: fascination just took over from me. We bought this property
Speaker 1: specifically and because of the area that it's in in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. As soon as I saw it, I was thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this is squatchy. That was literally the first thing that
Speaker 1: I thought if I were a Sasquatch, if I were
Speaker 1: a Bigfoot, I would live here. There's two creeks on
Speaker 1: the property, There's nothing around us but land. This is
Speaker 1: the perfect spot. So we bought the property. We bought
Speaker 1: it in twenty seventeen, and we weren't living here full
Speaker 1: time until just about three four years ago, but we'd
Speaker 1: come up often and camp out because we're having a
Speaker 1: house built. Our tiny house was being built in a
Speaker 1: different area. We actually lived here on the property once
Speaker 1: we left the police department. In between getting here full time,
Speaker 1: we lived here off grid for a year and a
Speaker 1: half with no running water and no power other than solar.
Speaker 1: It was a rough year and a half. We got
Speaker 1: the tiny house here and that's really when the experiences
Speaker 1: started happening here, and it started with vocalizations. I think
Speaker 1: the first time we heard it was the first winter
Speaker 1: we were here full time. We'd got the house here,
Speaker 1: we had a hot tub on the outside of the house,
Speaker 1: just off the front deck, and we'd go out there
Speaker 1: at night unwined, and I started hearing what sounds like
Speaker 1: the Ohio Howell vocalization, probably a mile and a half
Speaker 1: up this ridge behind us, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: really weird. You hear it in the distance and you say, wow,
Speaker 1: that could be right. It sounds like a air raid siren.
Speaker 1: There's not an air raid siren going on. Sounds like
Speaker 1: the ohioisle because that's what the Ohio's howl sounds like,
Speaker 1: what those old hand crank air sirens. We heard that
Speaker 1: several times, and we had some other weird stuff going
Speaker 1: on with lights on the property. We've woken up a
Speaker 1: couple of times in the tiny house. There's nothing but
Speaker 1: windows up in the loft where we sleep, and when
Speaker 1: it's dark out here, it's dark. If you live where
Speaker 1: there's no light pollution, you don't know what dark is
Speaker 1: until you can't see a neighbor's porch light. There's no
Speaker 1: street lights, there's no nothing. Don't no dark until you
Speaker 1: can actually see the milky Way exactly. We're not exactly
Speaker 1: there yet, but we're close closer than most. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the first time that happened, we woke up the entire
Speaker 1: woods around the house. The entire inside of the house
Speaker 1: was lit up, almost like something was over the top
Speaker 1: of the house shining a spotlight down on the house.
Speaker 1: Really weird. There's another time we were in the hot
Speaker 1: tub out front. We had something that was coming over
Speaker 1: the back of the house towards the front of the house,
Speaker 1: and same thing. It was lighting up that whole area
Speaker 1: and then it just disappeared. It was gone. So other
Speaker 1: weird things, but the vocalizations we heard over the course
Speaker 1: of that winter and into that spring and summer, we
Speaker 1: probably heard maybe five times that it would be gone,
Speaker 1: and it's way in the distance. I'm thinking, Ah, it
Speaker 1: could be a dog, it could be a coyote, it
Speaker 1: could be something else. I had finished up some interviews
Speaker 1: and I was doing some show notes up in the
Speaker 1: loft one night after I'd shut down the show for
Speaker 1: the night, making some notes and getting ready to go
Speaker 1: to bed. I was going to read a little bit.
Speaker 1: We had all the windows open. It was like fifty
Speaker 1: degrees outside. It was perfect for sleeping with the windows open,
Speaker 1: at least for us. So the windows were open. I'm
Speaker 1: making notes my better house, reading a book, and we
Speaker 1: hear what sounds like the Ohio how ends with this
Speaker 1: kind of a bark on the end, But this time
Speaker 1: it's probably fifty yards behind in the house in the woods,
Speaker 1: really close. We felt it in our gestion. If you've
Speaker 1: heard enough encounter stories related to bigfoot, or talk to
Speaker 1: enough people at this point, I've probably interviewed a thousand
Speaker 1: people at this point that have had big Foot encounters
Speaker 1: and the ones that involve vocalizations that are close. And
Speaker 1: that's the first thing they'll tell you is it's hard
Speaker 1: to describe, but you felt the sound just as much
Speaker 1: as you hear it. I felt it in my chest,
Speaker 1: I felt it everywhere.
Speaker 3: Most people say it's like sitting next to the big
Speaker 3: base speakers at a concert that you feel it deep
Speaker 3: in your chest and it feels like you're like skeletons vibrating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good analogy for what it was like.
Speaker 1: So I look over Damiam, like, did you hear that? Yes?
Speaker 1: I heard that?
Speaker 4: What was that?
Speaker 1: I don't know? What do you think it was? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I never heard anything that sounded like that.
Speaker 1: So we do this back and forth. It's loyal and hardy.
Speaker 1: For a second. It just came down to the point
Speaker 1: where there was only two options for me. It was
Speaker 1: either a person fifty yards from our house, which means
Speaker 1: they're deep into our property that we own, which they're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be there, or it was possibly a
Speaker 1: sasquatch that made this vocalization. That's the only two things
Speaker 1: I could come to. Because people, of course have asked me,
Speaker 1: didn't you go outside and see? Hell? No, I didn't
Speaker 1: go outside.
Speaker 3: When you're in that situation, definitely not.
Speaker 1: I had no desire to go outside in the dark
Speaker 1: and go trapsing off into the woods. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3: Just imagine the size of the thing. If you can
Speaker 3: steal it in your chest, imagine what that thing could
Speaker 3: do to you physically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really went down to the point where I
Speaker 1: did not feel it was a person. Now, if it
Speaker 1: had been a person, We've had that situation a couple
Speaker 1: of times here. We've had people encroach on our land.
Speaker 1: One time when I was here, I was able to
Speaker 1: confront them. The other time I wasn't here and they
Speaker 1: sold a camera. But it's way down closer to the road.
Speaker 1: Our house is quite a ways in the woods off
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: We're not just sitting right next to a main street, right.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a person, so I definitely
Speaker 1: was not going to go out into the woods after
Speaker 1: that happened. And there really wasn't any other vocalizations that
Speaker 1: I can think of. The next weird thing would have
Speaker 1: been I was walking the dogs. We have these trails
Speaker 1: that go around I guess it's probably a ten or
Speaker 1: twelve acre area on the property that we walk every day.
Speaker 1: I walk the dogs on this trail every single day,
Speaker 1: at least twice a day, but they breakfast and may dinner.
Speaker 1: We check them on a walk both times. Sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: go on a couple of walks even during the day.
Speaker 1: I came around this little corner and there's a stump
Speaker 1: over to the right. Pass it every day past it
Speaker 1: that morning. When I walk the dogs. This afternoon, the
Speaker 1: sun was out, it was pretty high overhead. It's probably
Speaker 1: about four point thirty and something caught my eye that
Speaker 1: was shiny. Now look over to the stump and it's
Speaker 1: this old cedar stump. It's probably about fourteen inches around
Speaker 1: or so. It's not very big. It's been there forever.
Speaker 1: We know they'd been logging here on the property, like
Speaker 1: decades and decades ago. But I look over in the
Speaker 1: side of the stump and there is this bleach twite
Speaker 1: turtle shell that's just the size of a regular turtle
Speaker 1: that you'd see crossing the road. And it is stuck
Speaker 1: into the side of this stump that wasn't there this morning.
Speaker 1: I would have saw that. I would have noticed it
Speaker 1: because I walk right past it and it's probably twelve
Speaker 1: fifteen feet off the side of this trail. So I'll
Speaker 1: walk over and I look and this thing is stuck
Speaker 1: into the side of this stump. It's not sitting on top,
Speaker 1: it's not leaning on it. It's literally like something stuck
Speaker 1: it into the side of the stump. So I pick
Speaker 1: up this turtle shell. I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 1: That is just weird. How did this happen? So I
Speaker 1: go back to the house with the turtle shell, and
Speaker 1: I start doing some research. I just start looking, and
Speaker 1: sure enough, people are posting about finding these turtle shells
Speaker 1: and they believe it's related to sasquatching. Okay, people are
Speaker 1: gonna think I'm nuts because I'm a very skeptical person.
Speaker 1: I probably should have started there. I probably sound like
Speaker 1: I'm drinking the bigfootkool aid at this point, but I
Speaker 1: am a very skeptical Occam's Razor scientific method kind of god.
Speaker 1: I automatically go to, Oh, raccoons will eat turtles, and
Speaker 1: they'll turn things upside down, and they'll stick things on
Speaker 1: the side so they can get a better grip. They
Speaker 1: don't have opposable thumbs like us, but they carry things.
Speaker 1: You see the videos of raccoons all the time. I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe a raccoon was eating this turtle, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: there this morning when I took the dogs on the walk.
Speaker 1: Raccoons are primarily nocturnal. I don't think a raccoon was
Speaker 1: eating this turtle. And the thing about it is it's bleached.
Speaker 1: It's clearly old. It's bleached completely white, so it's been
Speaker 1: out in the sun for eighteen months. At this point.
Speaker 1: To get to the state that the shell is in
Speaker 1: nothing makes sense.
Speaker 5: So I can't.
Speaker 1: Ockham's razor it away at this point. So I walk
Speaker 1: back up to the stump and I placed the turtle
Speaker 1: shell where I found it, and I do a couple
Speaker 1: of videos and post them online. And people start talking
Speaker 1: about Bigfoot leaving them turtles, and I start getting pictures
Speaker 1: and videos of people finding turtles and turtle shells with
Speaker 1: them and marbles in them, and people are claiming that
Speaker 1: they're leaving them with feathers. That immediately turned into a
Speaker 1: gifting stump of sorts because I then started leaving other things.
Speaker 1: I'd leave rocks out there. I started leaving some peanut
Speaker 1: butter sun butter. We eat a lot of ground sunflower
Speaker 1: seeds or sun butter. We'd have jars of that. I
Speaker 1: would put those out there, and I had three or
Speaker 1: four of those completely disappear. I stuck them down into
Speaker 1: the stump where it would be almost impossible for anything
Speaker 1: unless you had a hand to pull it out of
Speaker 1: the inside of the stump. We lost a couple of those,
Speaker 1: and I put up trail cameras. I put up a
Speaker 1: trail camera, and I was never able to catch anything
Speaker 1: on video other than the first couple of times I
Speaker 1: put out sun butter. I would catch three or four
Speaker 1: raccoons on video and steal photos from this trail cam
Speaker 1: walking around looking, but the jar would still be inside.
Speaker 1: You could see the lid, this bright yellow lid inside
Speaker 1: this stump untouched. I'm thinking, could it be the raccoons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing them in the video, but I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: a photo or video of a raccoon dragging this thing off,
Speaker 1: so it's weird.
Speaker 3: I got the lid on it too, so they would
Speaker 3: have had to actually twist and open the lid on
Speaker 3: top of that exactly.
Speaker 1: It was completely sealed. So I thought, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: something different, a new todd. I knew other people were
Speaker 1: gifting apples, so I thought, Okay, that's a cool thing.
Speaker 1: Let me see about an apple. See what that does.
Speaker 1: So we had some apples in the fridge that were
Speaker 1: going bad. They weren't completely gone at this point, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't my favorite kind of thing to eat an
Speaker 1: apple that's got brown spots or whatever. So I take
Speaker 1: this apple, I stick it on a stick, so I
Speaker 1: just jammed it into the stick. Now I take the
Speaker 1: stick out to the stump and I stick it in
Speaker 1: the middle of the stump, and apple's just standing up there.
Speaker 1: Go back to the house, get up, walk the dogs.
Speaker 1: The next day, Apple still there, same thing. The next day, nothing,
Speaker 1: Apple still there, untouched. Third day, I think I grabbed
Speaker 1: the SD cart at a third day, out of the
Speaker 1: trail cam brought it in. I saw video. I think
Speaker 1: it was two or three raccoons around the apple, but
Speaker 1: it was untouched. So fourth day, I come down the
Speaker 1: trail that morning, walk in the dogs and I look
Speaker 1: over at the apple and it's tilted a little bit,
Speaker 1: So it immediately caught my eye. Something's different. Walk over
Speaker 1: to the apple and it's still on the stick, stuck
Speaker 1: in the middle of the stump. But I pick it
Speaker 1: up and it looks like something picked the stick up
Speaker 1: and took a bite out of the apple like a person,
Speaker 1: and stuck the stick back down into the middle of
Speaker 1: the stump. I was blown away. Now, by this fourth
Speaker 1: day that it had been out there, this apple was
Speaker 1: already going bad. On one side of where the bite was.
Speaker 1: There was mold on the apple. It was not something
Speaker 1: you'd want to bite. So I took a couple of
Speaker 1: photos of it with my iPhone. I took it back
Speaker 1: to the house and I sent them to Wayne, who's
Speaker 1: the now the co host of that Big Crip podcast
Speaker 1: with me, and I just said, tell me what this
Speaker 1: looks like. I didn't give any context. He had no
Speaker 1: idea where it came from He didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: the gifting stump or any of that, and he just
Speaker 1: came back with it looks like somebody took a bite
Speaker 1: out of a nasty apple. And I said, that's what
Speaker 1: I thought, because you could literally see like blocky teeth.
Speaker 1: I'll have to send you the photos. I think I
Speaker 1: still got them on my phone.
Speaker 3: I was curious if you could see like teeth marks
Speaker 3: to get like an idea of how big the teeth
Speaker 3: where they bit it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can. I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say, dude, and I told him the backstore, and he's,
Speaker 1: holy shit, I think you might have a bigfoot that
Speaker 1: decided to take a bite out of your apple. It's
Speaker 1: very difficult for me to say, because nothing was captured
Speaker 1: on the trail cam. What did it. I was trying
Speaker 1: to imagine some sort of an ungulp, maybe a deer.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing we have here is a white
Speaker 1: tailed deer. But how would a deer turn its neck?
Speaker 1: The stump is maybe twelve inches off the ground. It's
Speaker 1: very low to the ground. Nothing made sense to me
Speaker 1: other than somebody or something walking over and picking this
Speaker 1: apple up on this stick like a candy apple. You'd
Speaker 1: get it at a carnival and taking a bite and
Speaker 1: sticking it back into the stump. I guess the main
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that I've captured here is footprints that started.
Speaker 1: I think I cast the first set of prints here,
Speaker 1: or the first print a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: maybe not that long ago. I was walking the trail
Speaker 1: that we walked the dogs on, came around the last stretch,
Speaker 1: which is about two hundred and twenty five two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty yards from the house. At this point I
Speaker 1: come across what looked like a footprint right in the middle.
Speaker 1: There's just one. It's just this wet area, low lying
Speaker 1: area on the side of the trail, fourteen and a
Speaker 1: half fifteen inches. I cast it. I think the next
Speaker 1: time we found a footprint was on another area of
Speaker 1: our property. We only have forty acres. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a lot, and it is an expanse of land, and
Speaker 1: there's still places that we haven't hyped yet. We try
Speaker 1: to hike a different area every time we go out
Speaker 1: for a hike because we haven't seen it all yet.
Speaker 1: We went to an area we'd certainly never been to.
Speaker 1: It's on the very far end of the boundaries of
Speaker 1: our property to our neighbors. I was not going to
Speaker 1: do anything bigfoot. I wasn't even going to bring my
Speaker 1: phone because I was just going out to decompress and
Speaker 1: take a hike. But I did end up bringing my phone.
Speaker 1: Danny and are going up and walking and I go
Speaker 1: to step over this little creek area and I look
Speaker 1: down and I'm like, well, shift, that looks like a
Speaker 1: foot looks like a footprint, thinking that is so cool.
Speaker 1: It's like a Paradolia footprint.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it looks like little toes and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a picture of that. So i take my
Speaker 1: phone out and I'm looking and I'm getting closer. This
Speaker 1: is in water, mind you, it's in standing water. It's
Speaker 1: about a half inch of standing water. And the closer
Speaker 1: I get to make the picture look better and give
Speaker 1: some detail. I start picking out five toes. Wow, that
Speaker 1: looks like toes. And I looked closer and I could
Speaker 1: see where it looked like the big toe. It would
Speaker 1: be able the right footprint kind of smashed down and
Speaker 1: I could see the heel where the e heel lifted
Speaker 1: up and pushed off, and I'm thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that looks like a footprint, And of course Danny's in
Speaker 1: front of me, going, we're not doing bigfoot stuff, Let's
Speaker 1: go take the picture. Let's go. So we're hiking, right,
Speaker 1: I'm snapping the pictures, and then we go up and
Speaker 1: we find I found looks like some tree structures, some
Speaker 1: full crumb type things, things balanced on top of other things,
Speaker 1: just weird looking things that don't look normal to me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't normal deadfall that I would consider indicative of
Speaker 1: possible sasquatch activity. And then we get to the very
Speaker 1: back of the property. Some of these pictures are actually
Speaker 1: in the book. We get to the back of the property.
Speaker 1: There's a huge rock stack at the back of our property.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm guessing maybe probably seven or eight rocks,
Speaker 1: big on the bottom. Then they just get smaller as
Speaker 1: they go up, stacked on the back of our property. Okay,
Speaker 1: possible footprint, what looks like tree breaks, like nests, some
Speaker 1: things that look like possible nest, these full crumb type
Speaker 1: things balanced on top of others. And now we get
Speaker 1: to the back of the property on a high core
Speaker 1: w we're not doing anything big foot related or looking
Speaker 1: for anything bigfoot related. Now we got a big rock stack,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking weird, right, So I just filed the
Speaker 1: possible footprint that I photographed back in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind, and I marked the area of my brain,
Speaker 1: thinking okay, because we had rain the previous three days,
Speaker 1: we had this little window of time where it wasn't
Speaker 1: raining when we took this hike, and then we had
Speaker 1: more rain that was moving in for the next couple
Speaker 1: of days. So I get back to the house to
Speaker 1: the internet. We don't have any service without our Wi
Speaker 1: Fi here, and I sent it to I think the
Speaker 1: first person I texted was Doug high Check, and I
Speaker 1: sent Doug a text and I said, tell me what
Speaker 1: you think this looks like. And Doug, being Doug, says,
Speaker 1: it almost looks like a footprint, but it also looks
Speaker 1: like it could be a thumb print where something put
Speaker 1: its hand down, and he points to where this area
Speaker 1: that I thought I would call a big toe for
Speaker 1: a right foot almost looked like it was a thumb
Speaker 1: print where this thing might have been quadrupedal pressed down
Speaker 1: into the mud. Of course, Doug's going to confuse me
Speaker 1: even more because that's what he does. So I fly
Speaker 1: outed away. I posted it on Instagram. I sent it
Speaker 1: to Wayne, my co hosted that Bigfoot podcast. He said,
Speaker 1: it looks like a footprint, dude. So fast forward last summer.
Speaker 1: I think it was last June. I did a speaking
Speaker 1: gig at a conference out in Idaho. I was out
Speaker 1: there with Cliff Brickman, doctor Jeff Meldrum, Michael Freeman, and
Speaker 1: myself And it was the night before we went out
Speaker 1: to dinner and then Cliff and Michael and another guy, Brandon,
Speaker 1: went out for some drinks. So we're sitting at the bar.
Speaker 1: I take out my phone and I'm looking at stuff
Speaker 1: and Cliff said, what are you looking at it? And
Speaker 1: I said, I took these pictures that I thought was
Speaker 1: a Paradolia footprint. He said, let me see it. So
Speaker 1: he's looking and Cliff goes, dude, that's a Sasquatch footprint.
Speaker 1: Did you cast that? Of course I didn't cast it.
Speaker 1: It was in the rain, it was in water. I'm
Speaker 1: pissed off at this point because now doctor Jeff Meldrum
Speaker 1: is probably the quintessential footprint expert. He knows all about
Speaker 1: the more filo g of these things. But Cliff is
Speaker 1: a very close second to me. I really trust Cliff
Speaker 1: implicitly when it comes to his opinion about these things,
Speaker 1: and he's going to that's definitely a sasquat s footprint,
Speaker 1: and a good one. That's a really good picture of
Speaker 1: a good looking sasquat footprint. I'm like, shit, should have
Speaker 1: cast it. So I immediately went out and made sure
Speaker 1: that I had casting material and I've never went hiking
Speaker 1: without casting material since. Because the next footprint that I
Speaker 1: saw was a mile upon the other side of our road.
Speaker 1: My neighbor has ten acres, and we went to hike
Speaker 1: his property at one point after I found that. So
Speaker 1: this was last year. Again, we're not really doing anything
Speaker 1: bigfoot related. We had two of our neighbors, Wendy and Faith,
Speaker 1: went with us. They just wanted to go for a hike.
Speaker 1: They're clearly not into bigfoot. I was the only person
Speaker 1: who was even remotely interested in bigfoot. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: around looking at things that we go up to the
Speaker 1: very back of his property, and then we started to
Speaker 1: make our way down because eventually their property, they have
Speaker 1: ten acres, it connects to his and we have to
Speaker 1: cross over another ten acres of another neighbor's property to
Speaker 1: get back to theirs. So we're trapesing along and I'm
Speaker 1: coming down the hill and I see what clearly looks
Speaker 1: like a footprint, but this looks more like a human
Speaker 1: bare foot footprint, but it's in hard pack. I don't
Speaker 1: know how anything too three hundred pounds could have made
Speaker 1: any kind of intention, because it was a very small intention.
Speaker 1: It was just enough to make out the toes in
Speaker 1: this thing, particularly the big toe. So I found that,
Speaker 1: and then about five feet down, about a four and
Speaker 1: a half five foot stride, was a left footprint. I
Speaker 1: did not have casting material with me then, because I
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be doing bigfoot stuff. We were just
Speaker 1: relaxing with the neighbors. I marked this in my mind,
Speaker 1: and I came back the next day, I got my
Speaker 1: casting material. I hiked back up with my neighbor on
Speaker 1: his property, and I got to cast both of those footprints.
Speaker 1: Those photos made it into the book as well. But
Speaker 1: the most prevalent, I guess, the best, if you want
Speaker 1: to call good, better or best, came about seven eight
Speaker 1: months ago, towards the end of the year last year.
Speaker 1: We have a chicken coop down towards the front of
Speaker 1: our property, and then we have a really small coop
Speaker 1: where we keep babies and so they get big enough
Speaker 1: to go into the bigger coop. It's about fifty yard
Speaker 1: sixty yards from where I'm sitting now in the house.
Speaker 1: We had had a bunch of rain. It's strange because
Speaker 1: we had tried to dig out We had ducks at
Speaker 1: the time. We no longer do because we have a
Speaker 1: lot of coyotes and a lot of predators. That took
Speaker 1: care of the ducks and both of our turkeys that
Speaker 1: we had. We have a little bit of a natural
Speaker 1: pond that's down in a certain area close by to
Speaker 1: the house. But we wanted to dig out this like
Speaker 1: probably six by four area looks like a kidney bean
Speaker 1: shaped and we were gonna get one of those galvanized
Speaker 1: steel things you can get at tractor supply and put
Speaker 1: down there. We're gonna make a little area for the
Speaker 1: ducks to swim in. So we have a creek, but
Speaker 1: it's fast running and it's not very deep, so we
Speaker 1: wanted to make something they could just come out and
Speaker 1: swim around in. We dig this out, but we hadn't
Speaker 1: put anything in it, and because of the rain, it
Speaker 1: washed a whole bunch of dirt and silt down over
Speaker 1: the course of a couple of weeks of us not
Speaker 1: putting this in like we were supposed to and me
Speaker 1: completing the project. So it was the perfect area to
Speaker 1: capture a footprint. It was almost like it was made
Speaker 1: for this. But I go out one day to open
Speaker 1: the chicken coop and we'd had some weird things leading
Speaker 1: up to that. We had a small pail of chicken food.
Speaker 1: It is like a small version of the big galvanized
Speaker 1: steel trash cans, but this was only like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a foot and a half tall or whatever. We just
Speaker 1: kept a little bit of chicken food up there for
Speaker 1: the chickens that were on that end. And it had
Speaker 1: been moved several times to the point of maybe fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty yards away. It's like something just picked it up
Speaker 1: and just dropped it on the ground. And the only
Speaker 1: thing that was holding the lid on was this bungee
Speaker 1: cord over the top. Because we'd had raccoons that had
Speaker 1: opened it up in the past. We just put a
Speaker 1: bungee cord over it solved the problem. They don't get
Speaker 1: in it anymore. But this has picked up and moved
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty yards dropped in a different area I
Speaker 1: would wake up. This happened probably three or four days
Speaker 1: before I found the print, and I'm about tell you
Speaker 1: about I walk up there one day, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: this thing is moved again. It's in a different place.
Speaker 1: It wasn't next to the coop. It was down fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty yards down the hill. Looks like something had just
Speaker 1: picked it up, took the bungee cord off and just
Speaker 1: poured the food onto the ground, which I thought was
Speaker 1: really weird. But I walk up to go up to
Speaker 1: the coop and I look over in this area with
Speaker 1: this little pond where we're gonna make is, and I
Speaker 1: see two huge prints in this dirt silt, and I
Speaker 1: literally did one of those things where you look around, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: who is it? This is crazy because this is fifty
Speaker 1: sixty yards from our house. Fourteen and a half by
Speaker 1: seven and a half by eight inch prance five toes
Speaker 1: clear as day, probably three inches down in this sialty area.
Speaker 1: I ended up casting them. These are too good to
Speaker 1: be true. It really is too good to be true.
Speaker 1: I didn't put any pictures out, I didn't talk about them,
Speaker 1: and I was writing the book at the time, and
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to probably end up talking about
Speaker 1: this in the book, and I'm probably end up putting
Speaker 1: these photos in the book because here's the thing. I'm
Speaker 1: a bigfoot guy, right, I'm a bigfoot podcaster who bought
Speaker 1: forty acres in North Carolina who now has bigfoot activity
Speaker 1: on his property. Right, that's the guy I felt like,
Speaker 1: and I had conversations with people behind closed doors. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should even be talking about
Speaker 1: this because the haters are going to come out saying, oh,
Speaker 1: now this guy's he's hoaxing footprint and he's having vocalizations,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, anybody who knows me knows that's not me.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. I had a hard time
Speaker 1: even talking about some of the experiences we were having
Speaker 1: in the beginning. But I thought, you know what, I
Speaker 1: can't be a hypocrite. I do a show where I
Speaker 1: ask people, and it's difficult. I'm sure you've had these
Speaker 1: people that you have to work to get some of
Speaker 1: these people on your show because they're so petrified of
Speaker 1: telling their story publicly, particularly if it's the first time,
Speaker 1: because they think people are going to ridicule. It's the
Speaker 1: ridicule factor. They're going to be called crazy. I wasn't
Speaker 1: worried about that. I don't give a shit what anybody
Speaker 1: thinks about me as far as me being crazy. But
Speaker 1: I do have a reputation, and I pride myself on
Speaker 1: being honest and open and I tell the truth. That's
Speaker 1: all I can do is put it out there. So
Speaker 1: I was like, people were telling me behind the scenes, look, dud,
Speaker 1: it's happening too. You put it out there. And of
Speaker 1: course people are like, oh, yeah, the one footprint, because
Speaker 1: I've had that happen a couple of times. I found,
Speaker 1: on at least two different occasions, possibly three different occasions,
Speaker 1: in different areas, I found what looked to be footprints.
Speaker 1: Now these are not definitive by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: If you see the photos in the book and you
Speaker 1: see the cast, which I have, they look like shit.
Speaker 1: Which after a conversation with Cliff, that's one of the
Speaker 1: things we talked about so many times. Cliff has become
Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine. He actually wrote the
Speaker 1: forward to my book. That's one of the things Cliff
Speaker 1: tells everybody. The majority of it is going to look
Speaker 1: like crap. But if it's real, if you are casting
Speaker 1: real prints, that's a good indicator that what you're casting
Speaker 1: is really because they don't look perfect every single time. Now,
Speaker 1: if I cast every single print that i've cast on
Speaker 1: my property and my neighbor's property and they all look
Speaker 1: like the two that I cast here sixty yards from
Speaker 1: my house, I could see where people would go, this
Speaker 1: dude is faking stuff. But the majority of them what
Speaker 1: like crap. But I do cast everything because of that,
Speaker 1: So I encourage everybody to do that. If you think
Speaker 1: it even remotely has anything to do with a big
Speaker 1: footprint or whatever. Cast It doesn't matter if it turns
Speaker 1: out looking like crap. You still have the evidence. That's
Speaker 1: been the journey until literally yesterday. I've not even talked
Speaker 1: about this on my show. I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: into a whole lot of detail here, but I was
Speaker 1: walking the dogs yesterday. We were both actually walking the dogs.
Speaker 1: We have three dogs. We have a fifteen year old
Speaker 1: small dog is about seven pounds, and we have two
Speaker 1: bigger female dogs. They run off and leave him. While
Speaker 1: better half was walking with the dogs up front, and
Speaker 1: I was stuck with the old man in the back
Speaker 1: of the pack. There was an area we got to
Speaker 1: where I could turn off. It's about halfway through, three
Speaker 1: quarters of the way around the entire area. He's slow poking.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to get back to have dinner. I still
Speaker 1: had to work out, so I'm like, okay, dude, we're
Speaker 1: going to take a left here and we're gonna go
Speaker 1: down what we call Chicken Run. It's this big, long
Speaker 1: area where the water came down and rushed into this
Speaker 1: area where I got those prince eventually, but we're in
Speaker 1: that same general vicinity, and we have a compost pile
Speaker 1: that's up on the right of this path if you're
Speaker 1: walking up. We're coming down the compost piles on the left,
Speaker 1: and there's this drainage area where there's leaves everywhere. There's
Speaker 1: probably still a foot of leaves and leaf litter on
Speaker 1: the ground at this point. And I look over and
Speaker 1: I see what looks like impressions. It's weird. It looks
Speaker 1: like something's been walking there. So I take the dog
Speaker 1: back and I put him on the porch with the
Speaker 1: two girls, and I grab my phone and I'm going
Speaker 1: to walk back up Chicken Run here, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to take a look at this looks like a track. Wack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure it does.
Speaker 1: I walk up and sure enough, dude, I get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of where it looks like this starts, and
Speaker 1: I found I think it's fourteen looks like fourteen tracks
Speaker 1: walking up and then taking the right and going up
Speaker 1: the heel, which would be towards like the middle parts
Speaker 1: of our property. It's can be, but there's some pretty
Speaker 1: defined tracks. I did not cast them today, but I
Speaker 1: am going to go out hopefully tomorrow and try to
Speaker 1: cast at least a couple of them that look like
Speaker 1: they have some possible toes. I did take some photos.
Speaker 1: I did take the measuring tape out there. They measured
Speaker 1: about sixteen and a half inches, which is bigger than
Speaker 1: the original ones that I cast, which are about fourteen
Speaker 1: inches last year. Definitely bigger, at least longer. I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell if they were wider or not because of the material,
Speaker 1: the leaf litter that they're in. There's not a really
Speaker 1: clear footprint per se, but there's a five foot stride
Speaker 1: between one foot to the other. I tried to do it.
Speaker 1: I was almost doing the splits, trying to put my
Speaker 1: right foot where this right foot looked like it was
Speaker 1: in the left foot. It's a trackway. I don't know
Speaker 1: any other way to describe it.
Speaker 3: Just to throw that into I always like talking about
Speaker 3: the since between the tracks when you actually are able
Speaker 3: to find them. The average person roughly two to three
Speaker 3: foot stride, So if you're looking at something as a
Speaker 3: five foot stride, assumably you're looking at something that's at
Speaker 3: least around eight feet tall, so it gives you a
Speaker 3: pretty good indicator of height.
Speaker 1: The couple that I really got detailed in like, I
Speaker 1: was trying to get to as close to the back
Speaker 1: of what appeared to be the right foot and the
Speaker 1: very tip top toe of what appeared to be the
Speaker 1: left foot, and I was measuring the stride that way
Speaker 1: in between, and almost every set, with exception of a couple,
Speaker 1: were five feet. We're looking at a five foot stride
Speaker 1: between these prints, and that literally happened yesterday evening. That
Speaker 1: is as hot off the press as it gets. We're
Speaker 1: right at a little over twenty four hours and I
Speaker 1: haven't even talked about it on my show yet because
Speaker 1: I really was waiting until I did the cast to
Speaker 1: see what I pulled out. I'm going to try a
Speaker 1: couple of different things. I'm probably even going to reach
Speaker 1: out to Cliff and maybe even Michael Freeman because they
Speaker 1: do a lot more with cast and that kind of
Speaker 1: material than I do, to see if there's some way
Speaker 1: I can put down I'm a barrier, maybe even some
Speaker 1: like plastic wrap or something between the leaves so I
Speaker 1: can maybe get a little bit more definition. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not a tracking or casting expert by any
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination, but I definitely want to do
Speaker 1: my very best to There's a couple that I've picked out,
Speaker 1: both right and left foot that I think I can
Speaker 1: get pretty decent cast from. I'm definitely going to work
Speaker 1: on that and try to do that tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I was almost going to say, like cheese cloth or something,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if the plaster itself would stick
Speaker 3: to that because it's a little bit more porous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the cheese cloth would, because that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I know Michael uses for his
Speaker 1: mother mold. When you're making a mold like silicon or whatever,
Speaker 1: you use the cheese cloth to go along with the plaster,
Speaker 1: so it'd probably stick. I don't know if maybe the
Speaker 1: plastic wrap. I'm going to try it first with it,
Speaker 1: so even if it goes wrong, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: mess up the print because I can just pull the
Speaker 1: plastic wrap out. Worst case scenario, I'll just have to
Speaker 1: pour the plaster in the leaves and then get whatever
Speaker 1: I get and just clean it up afterwards. The weird
Speaker 1: thing is, again, I'm very skeptical. I'm skeptical of my
Speaker 1: own evidence. I'm skeptical of my own experience. As I
Speaker 1: went out on expedition with Tide Standing last year up
Speaker 1: in Radium, BC, Canada, last October, and I had experiences there.
Speaker 1: Had rocks thrown at me, we had wood knocks, we
Speaker 1: had what sounds like samurai chatter, or we were sitting
Speaker 1: around the fire almost every day I was there, I
Speaker 1: had something that I believe was very close to, if
Speaker 1: not live, interacting with the Sasquatch, and I still questioned
Speaker 1: it to this day. But we're in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: We're eighteen miles deep in the woods. Everybody who is
Speaker 1: with our party, including Todd, is sitting right next to
Speaker 1: me at the fire, and something's throwing rocks out of
Speaker 1: the woods and it's hitting near us and it's hitting
Speaker 1: the camper, it's ten feet away from us. I don't
Speaker 1: know who else would do that. What else throws rocks
Speaker 1: in the woods? I don't know. That happened twice during
Speaker 1: the expeditions. Again, it didn't see a sasquatch, But I
Speaker 1: had that experience, and I'm skeptical to this day. I
Speaker 1: deal am not completely sold on the fact that these
Speaker 1: things exist. Even given my own experiences and finding what
Speaker 1: I believe to be a fricking track way yesterday on
Speaker 1: my property, I still can't get to the point where
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent all in on the Bigfoot thing.
Speaker 1: But those kind of experiences really make me wonder there's
Speaker 1: got to be something to it. The phenomenon's real, right,
Speaker 1: we know the phenomenon exist.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: When it comes to any of that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: it's always the best to be skeptic and open minded
Speaker 3: about it at the same time, because that's the only
Speaker 3: way it really gets somewhere with the research. Because the
Speaker 3: same with the paranormal research sasquats research. If every single
Speaker 3: crack you here, every single noise you hear, is exactly
Speaker 3: the phenomenon, then you're not actually going to get to
Speaker 3: any solid evidence. You got to do the process of
Speaker 3: elimination where you take away anything that's logical. I mean,
Speaker 3: you get to a point where there's nothing logical anymore.
Speaker 3: Then you got something weird, and then from there you
Speaker 3: can keep building on and going on from there. But
Speaker 3: as far as the sasquatch stuff goes too, man, I know,
Speaker 3: I've been researching this stuff for a few years now.
Speaker 3: I used to grow up my grandma telling me stories
Speaker 3: about them and everything, and I've never had my own
Speaker 3: first site for like, actually seen physically seeing one of
Speaker 3: these things, but I'd definitely seen my own fair share
Speaker 3: of trace evidence. But I feel like that's where the
Speaker 3: differentiation comes in, is that some people would chase this
Speaker 3: stuff there entire life and never actually get that first
Speaker 3: hand site encounter and never really know for sure. And
Speaker 3: then there's the other half of people who actually had
Speaker 3: those first hand encounters, and either one of two things happens.
Speaker 3: Either one they get the sasquatch cursor or they get
Speaker 3: indulged by it, and that's all they ever do. They
Speaker 3: never end up going back to the woods again, and
Speaker 3: they want nothing to do with it, and they completely
Speaker 3: deny the fact that it ever existed, but all the same,
Speaker 3: if you make it out of it without being hurt,
Speaker 3: it's an experience and it's something to document how many
Speaker 3: people actually get that opportunity. It's something special, even if
Speaker 3: it is something horrifying when you're actually in that moment.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that people have said to me.
Speaker 1: Whoever bit the apple? It was just some random homeless
Speaker 1: person that got onto your property. No, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: same thing with the trackway. It's not one of us.
Speaker 1: We didn't do it, So who did? What did? It's
Speaker 1: not a bayar, it's not a dog, it's not a deer,
Speaker 1: it's not a raccoons. I'm not a squirrel. You go
Speaker 1: checking this off. That really chapped to my hid, particularly
Speaker 1: the apple and the gifting stump, and when the turtleshell
Speaker 1: showed up. That's why people were saying when I posted
Speaker 1: about it on social media, Oh, it was just a person.
Speaker 1: Some person came through your property. And I tried to
Speaker 1: explain to people, unless you lived in the South, unless
Speaker 1: you live in North Carolina, in this area where I live,
Speaker 1: you have no idea how people are about their property.
Speaker 1: If you're not invited to be there, you better not
Speaker 1: be there. You just don't do it. We've had that
Speaker 1: happen here. It was some meth head that made it
Speaker 1: onto the very first part of our property from the street.
Speaker 1: Last year. I'm sitting here recording for the show and
Speaker 1: I hear what sounds like a dying female sasquatch. I'd
Speaker 1: grabbed my shot, gonna go down to the end of
Speaker 1: the driveway and I called her methodies down there doing
Speaker 1: dirt angels in the middle of my driveway. But it
Speaker 1: was a woman, right. I didn't shoot her. She ended
Speaker 1: up going to jail. Actually posted the video. It was funny.
Speaker 1: I posted the video of making Frucking Girl on Instagram
Speaker 1: and it took me back to my days on the
Speaker 1: streets of Atlanta as a police officer. People are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you had that police voice when you told her to
Speaker 1: get up, and I was like, yeah, it's still there.
Speaker 1: It never goes away. But those kind of things happened.
Speaker 1: She didn't go back here and put a turtleshell into
Speaker 1: the side of a stump. She didn't go back here
Speaker 1: and bite this apple. She sure as hell didn't come
Speaker 1: up here and make this trackway of sixteen and a
Speaker 1: half inch foot prints that are five feet stride going
Speaker 1: up the side of this ridge. Eventually, you just have
Speaker 1: to get to a point. And fortunately, my listeners have
Speaker 1: never really pinned me into a corner. Some people get
Speaker 1: pissed off. I get those emails. Oh, every week, it's
Speaker 1: five days out of seven I believe Bigfoot's real, But
Speaker 1: those of the two days I just don't believe. If
Speaker 1: you're looking for somebody to drink the Bigfoot kool aid
Speaker 1: and just go along to get along and believe everything
Speaker 1: is Bigfoot, I'm not your guy. But there are tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of people who've listened to my show every
Speaker 1: single week who say they're glad that I ask questions,
Speaker 1: question myself and question the people who come on the show.
Speaker 1: At times, it's not all about confronting people that come
Speaker 1: on with their encounter stories.
Speaker 5: They are what they are.
Speaker 1: But if you're hoaxing or you're putting bullshit out there,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you out. I've done it with Todd
Speaker 1: for years. We don't talk anymore because I continued to
Speaker 1: call him out for the crazy stuff that he does. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the last thing with Todd that really broke
Speaker 1: the camel's back with us and just completely severed ties altogether.
Speaker 1: Was the gondola thing. There was this huge gondola in
Speaker 1: Canada that came down a couple of times. It caused
Speaker 1: five million dollars worth of damage to the point with
Speaker 1: this company. Eventually it was going bankrupt that had to
Speaker 1: sell to another company. Todd came out with this ka
Speaker 1: ka maami story about how Bigfoot had broken this four
Speaker 1: inch steel cable on this gondola twice because Sabe was
Speaker 1: pissed off because somebody had put a chair lift in
Speaker 1: the middle of this area. Where do you come up
Speaker 1: with this, dude? Wayne and I were talking about it
Speaker 1: on that Bigfoot podcast, and I think the line was
Speaker 1: something like, every time Todd has an opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: about Bigfoot in a mature adult way, he drives to
Speaker 1: Cookerville instead. He's not going to Couckerville anymore. I refuse
Speaker 1: to get in the car with you, Todd. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it anymore. As soon as that episode came out,
Speaker 1: I got a text message from Todd and he said
Speaker 1: a lot of four letter words. He was pissed off
Speaker 1: that I called him a kook. I said, I didn't
Speaker 1: tell anybody you were a kook, dude. I just said,
Speaker 1: you're driving your car to Couckerville. There's a difference, but
Speaker 1: it's still the same thing. You end up at the
Speaker 1: same place. You can have a conversation with you about
Speaker 1: Bigfoot because it always has to take this crazy left turn.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you hoaxed your videos
Speaker 1: and I just I don't have time for that, So
Speaker 1: needless to say, we don't talk. But he is doing
Speaker 1: some cool stuff up in radium. Here's a guy I've
Speaker 1: had on the show a couple of times. Todd's talked
Speaker 1: about it a couple of times on his channel Sense
Speaker 1: I think. But they have put cameras in base Camp
Speaker 1: at Todd's Radium research area, and they're going to be
Speaker 1: live twenty four hours a day, seven days a week
Speaker 1: for everybody to view who wants to see them. I
Speaker 1: actually got an email from Logan yesterday saying that he
Speaker 1: got the app ready to go, but it's not ready
Speaker 1: for primetime, but he's going to send me an early
Speaker 1: version of it so I can add it to my
Speaker 1: phone and I'm going to be able to access the cameras.
Speaker 1: It's really cool because if you've been to base Camp
Speaker 1: and you've been to that area, and you have a
Speaker 1: lay of the land. It's cool either way, I think,
Speaker 1: but even for me it means a little bit more
Speaker 1: because I know where that's at. I've had experiences there.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely looking forward to it. I told Logan here's
Speaker 1: the thing, though, if you're associating with Todd and Todd's
Speaker 1: research area and a bigfoot can walk up and smear
Speaker 1: peanut butter on the lens or whatever it does, nobody's
Speaker 1: going to believe it because Todd's involved. They're gonna say
Speaker 1: it's Todd in a suit. I don't know. I still
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing. I think he's trying something
Speaker 1: new and Logan really doesn't care. He knows what comes
Speaker 1: along with dealing with Tide. But I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: I think it's cool man to be able to have
Speaker 1: experiences in a place like that and then somebody actually
Speaker 1: put up cameras. Because that's one of the things we've
Speaker 1: talked about on the show in the past is why
Speaker 1: is it there more collaboration? Why aren't more people like
Speaker 1: the folks in the area X and the folks that
Speaker 1: have the Olympic Project, the Shane Carpenter and Randy Harrington,
Speaker 1: out of the four hundred? Why aren't we all collaborating
Speaker 1: if there's so much bigfoot activity in these areas? Why
Speaker 1: is the BFRO, the Olympic Project, the North American Wood
Speaker 1: Ape Conservancy, and these guys at the four hundred, Why
Speaker 1: aren't we all coming together at one time and just
Speaker 1: putting people on the ground constantly twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 1: seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 1: a year, and finally proved that Bigfoot is real? Why
Speaker 1: aren't we doing that?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: Why didn't I started those conversations on the show We've
Speaker 1: had Shane carp and our own Shane reached out to
Speaker 1: me after we talked about it on the show and
Speaker 1: he said, hey, can I come on and talk about
Speaker 1: that because you guys talked about us at the four hundred.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, we'd love to have you. And he said, look,
Speaker 1: when you have a research area like the four hundred,
Speaker 1: we've tried to bring people in and it always ends badly.
Speaker 1: We've had people try to come back after we've had
Speaker 1: them out there, showed them the area, then they tried
Speaker 1: to get on the property next to us. One up us.
Speaker 1: People are people. Anytime you involve other people. Things have
Speaker 1: a tendency for the wheels to fall off. But he said,
Speaker 1: we've tried that in the past and people have been great,
Speaker 1: but it throws things off. Just what they do. They
Speaker 1: wear the same clothes, they walk the same way, they
Speaker 1: walked the same areas. They feel like Bigfoot, look for
Speaker 1: patterns and they want to create these patterns so they
Speaker 1: get comfortable with them, so they come closer and that's
Speaker 1: their thing, and anytime you bring people in it disrupts that.
Speaker 1: I get that on some level, but again it goes
Speaker 1: back to I'm putting together a I think it's a
Speaker 1: going to be a four part series at this point,
Speaker 1: maybe five part series. On Area X, I've had Brian
Speaker 1: Brown and some of those guys from the North American
Speaker 1: Wood of Conservancy's not with them anymore, but I've had
Speaker 1: a bunch of those guys on the show at different
Speaker 1: times throughout the past. On sasquatch Ot to see. Brian
Speaker 1: used to do a podcast back in the day, like
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven twenty twelve, and he was
Speaker 1: doing all of the stuff that was coming out of
Speaker 1: Area X. He's interviewing people inside Area X while these
Speaker 1: things are throwing rocks at them. It's some pretty fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1: The podcast went away years and years ago, but I
Speaker 1: reached out to Brian privately and said, look, dude, I'd
Speaker 1: like to do a series on what you guys experienced there,
Speaker 1: because even though you had it on a podcast of
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, for like twelve years out, dude, I do
Speaker 1: have a pretty big audience that would like to hear this.
Speaker 1: And he was sure, you can have access to all
Speaker 1: of us. I probably got eight hours of these interviews
Speaker 1: and these experiences from Area X. I'm gonna put together
Speaker 1: and put it out probably on Sasquatch out to see
Speaker 1: in July, because I'll be over in the UK for
Speaker 1: that conference in July and I'll be gone for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. They only go out about three months
Speaker 1: a year the area they call Area X, and that's
Speaker 1: because they have a personnel issue, right. You have to
Speaker 1: have teams of people. There has to be at least
Speaker 1: two to three people on each one of these teams.
Speaker 1: People have to take off work, they have families, they
Speaker 1: have other things in their lives. But just think about
Speaker 1: and this is one of the things I said to
Speaker 1: Wayne on that Bigfoot podcast when we were talking about.
Speaker 1: I said, look, dude, the BFRO does hundreds of expeditions
Speaker 1: every year all throughout the country. Why can't the BFRO
Speaker 1: just get with the North American wood a Conservatis say say, look,
Speaker 1: you guys are out here. You have this fantastic area.
Speaker 1: There's tons of documented sidings, rock throws, vocalizations and all
Speaker 1: these experiences. Guess what we have. We haven't a bundance
Speaker 1: of people. They will pay to go on an expedition
Speaker 1: for a week at a time. We've got enough people
Speaker 1: to cover this. We can cover it for twelve months,
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days out of the year,
Speaker 1: and somebody will be there twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1: Do you think that ups the possibility of us getting
Speaker 1: good video, good photographs? God forbid? The North American Wooded
Speaker 1: Conservancy is trying to take one of these things down
Speaker 1: and collect a specimen. We could accomplish a lot of that,
Speaker 1: but nobody's having those conversations, and nobody seems to be
Speaker 1: doing it. It's easy for me to say because I
Speaker 1: don't have Area X, I don't have the Olympics in
Speaker 1: the Olympic Project. I do have my forty acres here
Speaker 1: and I've already said I've tried to get it ready
Speaker 1: for this summer. It's probably going to be more like
Speaker 1: the fall. But I'm going to invite people here on
Speaker 1: our property to come and experience what we experience. Come
Speaker 1: out and go out with me, go out and camp.
Speaker 1: Hear what you hear, see what? And this is where
Speaker 1: I live, dude. Like we're trying to separate these areas
Speaker 1: and these private paths that lead to our house to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the other thirty acres or so of the property.
Speaker 1: We're gonna invite people here, and I'm willing to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm special by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't understand why more people aren't
Speaker 1: having those kind of conversations to try to do more
Speaker 1: collaboration when it comes to this, if you're serious about
Speaker 1: the research, because there aren't enough people that are boots
Speaker 1: on the ground. I live in the woods, and I'm
Speaker 1: not in the woods as much as i'd like to
Speaker 1: be because I'm constantly in my studio doing content because
Speaker 1: that's my job. That's how I get paid. Nobody pays
Speaker 1: me to go out and look for trackways. I get
Speaker 1: paid to produce content, so that's what I constantly have
Speaker 1: to do. So it's difficult to get as many people
Speaker 1: in the woods as we should have or could have,
Speaker 1: but I think you can exponentially multiply that if you
Speaker 1: have people working in collaboration. I'm gonna get off the soapbox.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a drink of my water and see
Speaker 1: where we go from there.
Speaker 3: I definitely agree with you, man, I think that it's
Speaker 3: one of those things that we probably would have a
Speaker 3: lot better of a chance that there is more people
Speaker 3: that are actually physically there trying to do it. I
Speaker 3: think the biggest fear that people have with most of
Speaker 3: their properties, but when it comes to actually having a
Speaker 3: good area where they're having regular experiences happening, is that
Speaker 3: they're worried about scaring them off, because if you have
Speaker 3: too many people rotating through, he seems they're going to
Speaker 3: start moving farther and farther back, even if you work
Speaker 3: in small groups. I think the other fear might be
Speaker 3: that again, if they're constantly seeing these new faces, they're
Speaker 3: going to be less interested in being in the area,
Speaker 3: and they're going to keep pushing themselves out and it's
Speaker 3: like one of those things that nobody's really tested it
Speaker 3: to necessarily see if that is the cause and effect
Speaker 3: that ends up happening. But I don't think anybody's willing
Speaker 3: to take the chance if they do have a good,
Speaker 3: solid area, especially if it's on their property.
Speaker 1: See I disagree because I think the North American Wooded
Speaker 1: Conservancy and Area X is a very good litmus test
Speaker 1: for what you just said. I tend to agree with
Speaker 1: you on most cases. That's one of the conversations we
Speaker 1: had with Shane Carpenter about he and Randy's area out
Speaker 1: at the four hundred is they are afraid of that.
Speaker 1: They have seen people coming in and it makes it difficult.
Speaker 1: They do retreat, they do go back. So I think
Speaker 1: it's an individual thing. But ARA X again is a
Speaker 1: good barometer I think for that because the North American
Speaker 1: wood of Conservancy has at any given time, on any
Speaker 1: given month. I'm going by some of the audio I
Speaker 1: just edited from like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, but over
Speaker 1: the course of three months, they had thirty five people
Speaker 1: rotate in and out. Of these teams, they had Alpha Team,
Speaker 1: Charlie Team, Delta Team, League, My Team, whatever, four or five,
Speaker 1: sometimes as much as seven individuals at a time. But
Speaker 1: these teams rotated in and out. Some people would stay.
Speaker 1: One person might say I can do Alpha and Bravo Team.
Speaker 1: I can be out here for a month, or I
Speaker 1: can be out here for three weeks, But they're constantly
Speaker 1: rotating people in and out, and the exact opposite has happened.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what episode it would be, probably the
Speaker 1: second hour of what would be a new episode of
Speaker 1: audio that I edited recently. Brian and them were talking
Speaker 1: about they had activity on Alpha Team, which is the
Speaker 1: first team in this particular year. I think this was
Speaker 1: have been twenty eleven or twenty twelve. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was Operation Persistence, which operation it was for them,
Speaker 1: they named the operations. But Delta Team, which was the
Speaker 1: fourth team in, had the most rock throw encounters of
Speaker 1: anybody throughout the summer. They had one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: different I think they stopped it documenting like one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty or one hundred and seventy individual rock throw
Speaker 1: incidents that they had. And they're the fourth team in
Speaker 1: and some of these people had never been out there before.
Speaker 1: I think if done correctly, particularly in an area like
Speaker 1: Area X, where if these things are real, they are
Speaker 1: wood apes, they are sasquatch as they claimed that they are.
Speaker 1: That's the area to do it because they are used
Speaker 1: to people rotating in and out during these three or
Speaker 1: four months in the summer. It's the perfect opportunity to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Would it change if you don't leave for the last
Speaker 1: time and the last person leaves and you roll up
Speaker 1: shop at August the thirty first, and then you start
Speaker 1: doing things in September, October, November, December. Could that cause problems?
Speaker 1: It possibly could. For whatever reason, they're like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: why these people still here? Oh my god, we're heading
Speaker 1: for the heels, right, that could happen. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't know until you try. That's one of the
Speaker 1: things that Todd does. He shuts down his radium area
Speaker 1: during the winter. Hey, because it's really hard to get
Speaker 1: to because it's eighteen miles deep and you don't want
Speaker 1: to be out there in the middle of a snowstorm.
Speaker 1: But the other reason that he claims that he does
Speaker 1: that is to give the sask Watch your break. Every
Speaker 1: single week there's a new person or person's coming in
Speaker 1: for an expedition, and then you give him a break
Speaker 1: over the wintertime, so they're okay, we can let a
Speaker 1: guard down. I get that, but again I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess it's easy for me to Monday morning quarterback
Speaker 1: and say that because I don't control access to Area X.
Speaker 1: But I do think we should at least start having
Speaker 1: some of those conversations, because clearly what we've been doing
Speaker 1: for the last five decades or so isn't working because
Speaker 1: outside of the people who know I'm not just a believer,
Speaker 1: I'm a knower for whatever reason, who've had eyewitness encounters,
Speaker 1: cited these things whatever. Outside of that, they are not
Speaker 1: documented and recognized by science, and I think the only
Speaker 1: way we're going to get there, unfortunately, is either collect
Speaker 1: a specimen or get into a situation where you can
Speaker 1: document individuals with high quality video and photographs. Different people
Speaker 1: at different times, at different places can start identifying individuals
Speaker 1: through these photographs and videos. That may be enough to
Speaker 1: push the ball down the field to get something else going,
Speaker 1: so we might be able to get some real evidence
Speaker 1: and prove it once and for all, one way or
Speaker 1: the other. If these things do exist, if you had
Speaker 1: enough people, one good way of possibly doing it. If
Speaker 1: you had somewhat of a square property, is you almost
Speaker 1: have to do grid lines where you'd have people coming
Speaker 1: in from this side, coming in from this side, and
Speaker 1: everybody basically meeting in the middle, so that nothing's able
Speaker 1: to slip through in the center of it. The other
Speaker 1: thing that I was thinking about if you have constant
Speaker 1: new people in the area, is rather than pushing him back.
Speaker 1: Depending on if these things are more animalistic, they might
Speaker 1: become territorial, and then you might end up having some
Speaker 1: better experiences, but they just might be more of the
Speaker 1: aggressive experiences such as rock throwing for bluff charging, so
Speaker 1: it might actually end up pushing it up. If anything,
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention something about not doing it fully
Speaker 1: on a schedule, but somewhat like taking some time off
Speaker 1: on the in between, because if he did it every
Speaker 1: other month, I feel like sasquatch would get somewhat used
Speaker 1: to that schedule and they would possibly know not to
Speaker 1: be too active in an area at that particular time.
Speaker 1: Because I had Michael on the show at one point,
Speaker 1: he was telling a little bit of the backstory with
Speaker 1: his dad's footage that he had, and he basically said
Speaker 1: that he used to go at the same time every day,
Speaker 1: and the reason why he finally captured that footage is
Speaker 1: because he had to stop and help his daughter with
Speaker 1: something with her car or something, and he came at
Speaker 1: a different time. So if you're going to be doing
Speaker 1: the regular checking of the same spot, you'd almost have
Speaker 1: to do it semi sporadic, where you'd be two weeks on,
Speaker 1: don't touch anything for two weeks, go for three weeks on,
Speaker 1: don't come back for a month, go for a month straight.
Speaker 1: Just do it where it's in blocks, but not on
Speaker 1: a set schedule, and then you might actually be able
Speaker 1: to be lucky enough to catch these things off guard.
Speaker 1: And even within that time that you're going out too,
Speaker 1: you almost have to do stuff that's staggered semi sporadic
Speaker 1: times too, where do it to somewhat of a science
Speaker 1: maybe where you know, the first day you start looking
Speaker 1: around seven o'clock and then you go from the house
Speaker 1: for a couple hours, and the next day you start
Speaker 1: looking at two o'clock in the afternoon, and just stagger
Speaker 1: the hours that you go in. And I feel like
Speaker 1: that'd be the best chance of actually catching one of
Speaker 1: these things is to not do a full search team
Speaker 1: on a set schedule, but rather do this kind of
Speaker 1: weird stagger repeated going out, and then you might actually
Speaker 1: be able to catch one of these things off guard. Again,
Speaker 1: have to look out for possibly the more aggressive encounters
Speaker 1: if they start getting more territorial with more faces on
Speaker 1: their property. Yeah, I think you're spot on when you're
Speaker 1: talking about this stuff. I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that has come out of the Nawac and Area X
Speaker 1: in particular, over and over again is you don't see
Speaker 1: these things unless they make a mistake. Just outside of
Speaker 1: what they call old Gray or old Gray, there's this
Speaker 1: big sasquatch that a couple of people, I think Darryl
Speaker 1: and somebody else saw it back in two thousand toile.
Speaker 5: I don't know how many times he's been seen.
Speaker 1: I say he or she has been seen, but it's
Speaker 1: basically this gray sasquatch from head to toe. It's pretty large.
Speaker 1: Outside of old Gray, who just doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: bothered by people, doesn't make any attempts to get away.
Speaker 1: They say he looks very much like Patty the Quintessential.
Speaker 1: If you're thinking about sasquatch, that Patterson Gimlin film three
Speaker 1: point fifty two Patty. That's what they say. Old Gray
Speaker 1: looks like the rest of them, these wood apes. Most
Speaker 1: of them are smaller, they don't look like Patty. It's
Speaker 1: a very different experience, and they are very agile. They
Speaker 1: do their very best to get away. So I don't
Speaker 1: think you see these things unless they make a mistake,
Speaker 1: or they're just so big and lumbering that they just
Speaker 1: don't care. And that old one too.
Speaker 3: It could be the kind of the same as having
Speaker 3: a dog, for example, where after a certain age they
Speaker 3: start going partially blind, partially death, and it's a little
Speaker 3: bit easier to sneak up on him because he isn't
Speaker 3: fully comprehensive of what's going on around him anyways.
Speaker 1: Or he could be just like I think Brian Brown
Speaker 1: in one of the episodes I was editing, said it
Speaker 1: went to the zoo with his kids and they went
Speaker 1: to the orangutan enclosure, and all these orangutans were like
Speaker 1: running from people and hiding and didn't want to be seen,
Speaker 1: except for this one huge female. She just lumbered out
Speaker 1: and all the other orangutans got out of her way,
Speaker 1: and she gave less than a shit about what was
Speaker 1: going on around her. She's just I'm here whatever happens,
Speaker 1: So it could be one of those situations. That's the
Speaker 1: thing about Area X. I keep going back to it
Speaker 1: because it is such a long term study that they've
Speaker 1: done and they've collected a lot of data. Disagree with
Speaker 1: their methods, disagree with them wanting to take a specimen, whatever.
Speaker 1: Everybody has their feelings about that kind of stuff, But
Speaker 1: you can't deny the work and the time they've put
Speaker 1: in and the data that they've collected over the years.
Speaker 1: As a part of that data, you see these bits
Speaker 1: and pieces of things emerge, and you have to just
Speaker 1: say they're onto something here because of some of the
Speaker 1: things they've experienced. They don't think these things migrate. They
Speaker 1: seem to stay in one place. They vocalize they're clearly intelligent,
Speaker 1: and they're apes. That's the other thing. They call them
Speaker 1: what apes for a reason. They certainly believe that they're
Speaker 1: flesh and blood creatures. Ultimately, I think they're a good
Speaker 1: litmus test for anybody who's wanting to do research over
Speaker 1: a long period of time and a way to get
Speaker 1: it done, no matter what the ultimate goal for you is,
Speaker 1: whether it's just to document you're the Jame Goodall type,
Speaker 1: or you're going in to actually take a specimen. But
Speaker 1: it's like this, they spend so many hundreds of hours
Speaker 1: at this point. I mean we're talking the accumulation of
Speaker 1: years they've spent in this area with so many people.
Speaker 1: They've only taken a couple of shots at these things
Speaker 1: and barely missed. So they claim killing us asquatch to
Speaker 1: take a specimen, to collect a specimen, and they have
Speaker 1: very few, if any photographs to prove that these things
Speaker 1: are real. That tells you how elusive these things are.
Speaker 1: They know they're there, they're throwing rocks at them, they're vocalizing,
Speaker 1: they can hear them running through the woods. People are
Speaker 1: seeing them, but it's almost impossible to catch that photograph
Speaker 1: or get a video of these things, and certainly even
Speaker 1: take one down with a rifle. So that says a
Speaker 1: lot about sasquatchs just in general, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people draw parallels to Okay, that clearly means that
Speaker 1: they're alien, or that clearly means that they're coming in
Speaker 1: and out of portals, or it clearly means that there's
Speaker 1: some supernatural being. Not sure I'm going down that road
Speaker 1: with you, but it certainly means that there is something
Speaker 1: more to these things than maybe we've ever considered. I
Speaker 1: don't know, at least in that area too.
Speaker 3: If you're in a Sasquatch arean, they're used to constantly
Speaker 3: being gifted, they're gonna be acting one certain way. But
Speaker 3: if they're constantly used to people trying to record them
Speaker 3: and shoot at them, and I feel like they're gonna,
Speaker 3: of course be a lot more sporadic anyways, and they're
Speaker 3: gonna be used to living in an environment where they
Speaker 3: have to be on high alert all the time. So
Speaker 3: I almost wonder if it's like they're territorial to the
Speaker 3: point where they're not gonna leave their area because that
Speaker 3: is their area. But they just start acting completely different
Speaker 3: based on how you interact with them, and you almost
Speaker 3: give yourself less of a chance by trying to shoot
Speaker 3: at them, because they know, they're fully aware of what
Speaker 3: guns are. They've known for hundreds of years now at
Speaker 3: this point, and they know to completely avoid those things.
Speaker 3: Whether or not you can take one down, there's a
Speaker 3: whole other topic of the date with a gun. But regardless,
Speaker 3: assumably you're still gonna hurt the things, So it's gonna
Speaker 3: avoid having contact with that in the first place, before
Speaker 3: we start running out of time completely. I know you
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about your book, but for anybody
Speaker 3: that might be interested in picking up your book, once
Speaker 3: you give them like a rough runover exactly of what
Speaker 3: they're going to get from your book.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's titled Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth behind the Legend.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of everything. I talk about, my journey,
Speaker 1: my experience. I talked a little bit about here as
Speaker 1: a kid, and then I get into the phenomenon of Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: We know that exists, so I wanted to start there
Speaker 1: and lay the foundation. I'll talk a lot about Sasquatch
Speaker 1: and history. Then I get into Bigfoot in pop culture,
Speaker 1: all the pop culture references, how Bigfoot really has become
Speaker 1: a household name. I think Bigfoot is one of the
Speaker 1: few things that you could go to literally any house
Speaker 1: in a America and talk to the mother, the father,
Speaker 1: the two kids if they're old enough, say ten twelve
Speaker 1: years old. Everybody knows what Bigfoot is. They have this
Speaker 1: idea of Bigfoot because it is so permeated our culture.
Speaker 1: Then I get into Sasquatch deceptions and hoaxes. I call
Speaker 1: some hoaxers out by name. I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the biggest issues that we have in this community nowadays,
Speaker 1: is people hoaxing evidence really pointing people in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3: Aiimages too. There's way too many the AI images I
Speaker 3: see posts on every single Sasquatch page.
Speaker 1: I do an entire chapter about my experiences up in
Speaker 1: Radium on expedition with Todd last year. Then I get
Speaker 1: into perils of paradolia and misidentification. I talk about how
Speaker 1: fallible we are as humans, as eyewitnesses. I bring a
Speaker 1: little bit of my police work into that and talk
Speaker 1: about eyewitness identifications and those kind of things. Talk about
Speaker 1: the scientific method. I get into the fun breakdown the fossilization.
Speaker 1: I know that is an exciting topic for everybody talking
Speaker 1: about fossilization, but everybody says, where are the bodies. I
Speaker 1: went into that and talked about that in its own
Speaker 1: chapter and talked about how difficult it is to actually fossilize,
Speaker 1: particularly a large body like a primate, and that's why
Speaker 1: we have a very incomplete fossil record just across the
Speaker 1: board in general. So I talk a lot about that.
Speaker 1: Then I get into some of the primate behaviors that
Speaker 1: aid known primates, in how they are elusive and how
Speaker 1: they avoid detection, and how that could possibly be at
Speaker 1: least partially some of the answers that we may point
Speaker 1: to to say this is why Sasquatch has eluded us
Speaker 1: for so long. I get into human population and wilderness.
Speaker 1: I have a chapter called can we convict Sasquatch in
Speaker 1: a court of law? Break down the evidence that we
Speaker 1: have for the existence of Sasquatch. I've said it on
Speaker 1: the show before. I think if Sasquatch were on trial
Speaker 1: for being real, I think a jury is going to
Speaker 1: convict at this point. Then I get into some of
Speaker 1: the wo the high strangeness. I talk about habituation situations
Speaker 1: and their general fascination as people with cryptids, our escapism
Speaker 1: mentality that we have in the modern world, and how
Speaker 1: that kind of plays into the whole Bigfoot thing. And
Speaker 1: then I close out with what I believe to be
Speaker 1: the truth behind the legend and spoiler alert, the truth
Speaker 1: really lies in all of us. I caught a little
Speaker 1: crap when I put the book out. People are like, oh,
Speaker 1: but the truth about Sasquatch?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert Now I really don't, because I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody does. The truth really lies with what you believe.
Speaker 1: It's your experiences, it's what you take away from it,
Speaker 1: whether it's the phenomenon, whether it's your own experiences, whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. The truth really is it lies
Speaker 1: with all of us. But I do close out with
Speaker 1: a chapter of that. You can get the book anywhere.
Speaker 1: You can buy it on Amazon, it's probably the easiest
Speaker 1: place for people. You can get it at Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 1: If you want to sign copy, we do autographed copies.
Speaker 1: We send out a couple of times a week. You
Speaker 1: can get them on our website at Paranormal World Productions
Speaker 1: dot com. There's a store button right there at the
Speaker 1: top of the page and you can go over and
Speaker 1: a autograph, personalize the book book, and we'll send it
Speaker 1: out to you.
Speaker 3: Man, I'll have to scoop one of those for myself.
Speaker 3: I like being able to collect a bunch of books
Speaker 3: from guests I've previously had on the show, like those
Speaker 3: entire bookcases. And I think I first said guests that
Speaker 3: I've had on the show. At this point, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: so much stuff that we could possibly dive into or
Speaker 3: at least this time. Man, I think this was like
Speaker 3: a perfect introductory to having you on the show. I
Speaker 3: definitely want to dive, hopefully on the next show that
Speaker 3: if you're interested in coming back on again into some
Speaker 3: of the philosophy and stuff behind it as far as
Speaker 3: what you're talking about, as far as the content of
Speaker 3: your book, it is exactly a lot of stuff that
Speaker 3: I like talking about on the show, such as again
Speaker 3: like where are the bodies? Things like that, like a
Speaker 3: lot of the more literal stuff that people don't necessarily
Speaker 3: always dive into. But I feel like it's just as
Speaker 3: important for the research as anything else, or even catching
Speaker 3: some solid footage. It's just as important to have that
Speaker 3: groundwork and framework and fundamentals of it. But I always
Speaker 3: like to wrap up the show with words of wisdom.
Speaker 3: So if there's any words of wisdom you could bestow
Speaker 3: on the listeners, be it to squatchers, podcasters, whoever out there.
Speaker 4: What might it be?
Speaker 1: I would say, don't eat yellow snow.
Speaker 3: Because maybe it might be sasquatch pe but more often
Speaker 3: than not it might be dog or human pea.
Speaker 1: After an hour and a half, it's the best I
Speaker 1: could come up with. Shane well, listeners here, they're going
Speaker 1: to be hearing this after the event. But I'm actually
Speaker 1: going to be going to sleep right after we're done
Speaker 1: recording this, waking up a two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 1: and driving to a convention. So book up early today,
Speaker 1: got everything all set up. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: we recorded the show because I know that when we're
Speaker 1: trying to set the schedule with you, you only had
Speaker 1: certain days you're available for. For anybody that might want
Speaker 1: to come and find your podcast, you already told them
Speaker 1: where to come and find the book at or possibly
Speaker 1: get in contact with you to share some of their experiences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can find Saskwatch Odyssey. I host a show called
Speaker 1: That Bigfoot Podcast with my co host Wayne. Definitely a
Speaker 1: different show. It's a conversation based show like this. We
Speaker 1: tackle all kinds of things. We talk about hoaxers, we
Speaker 1: talk about things in the news. It's a fun show.
Speaker 1: We have a good time over there. We will drop
Speaker 1: the occasional F bomb, so beware of that. It is
Speaker 1: labeled explicit on all podcast apps. But you can find
Speaker 1: sask watch Oudyssey That Bigfoot Podcast. I also do a
Speaker 1: storytelling show where I just read encounters, talk about weird
Speaker 1: and crazy scary stories. It's called Backwards Bigfoot Stories. You
Speaker 1: can get that anywhere. You get podcasts on all the
Speaker 1: podcast apps, and you can check out the Sasquatch outs
Speaker 1: see YouTube channel and the Backwoods Big Up Stories YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: The best place to get all of that stuff really
Speaker 1: is our website. It's Paranormalworldproductions dot com. It's got a
Speaker 1: little bit of me all the shows. We have other
Speaker 1: shows that work for our network as well. We have
Speaker 1: other podcasters that do a fantastic job, so there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything for everybody's just check out the website.
Speaker 1: It's all there.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you making the time to come on the
Speaker 3: show today. It was definitely a fascinating conversation. I'm looking
Speaker 3: forward to next time you come on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a blasting.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Manama.
Speaker 4: Tam Tampa ba
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