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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show, and Martin Willers your host,

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and happy new Year to everyone. That's our first show

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of twenty twenty five, and it's an exciting year already.

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Coming up, we have a great guest tonight, Deani Laoto,

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a great friend of mine and the show. Some of

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you may remember when I was out for surgery, Dean

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filled in for jeez. I think it was like a

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month or something. So anyway, it's really great welcoming him back.

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He has a new documentary that's being released on Apple

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TV tomorrow called The Alien Perspective Part One. It's a

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two part series and he has a standalone we'll talk

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about all of that coming up here in just a minute.

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So when I say it's kind of exciting right off

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the bat, we have a couple of really interesting interviews

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coming up. I'm going to be Donna and I are

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going over my producer Donna and better half I'll Caller.

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We're going over to Vermont to do an in studio

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show with James Fox coming up next Tuesday, and the

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following week, I have Ryan Graves finally is going to

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be in studio and we're going to be running that

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show on the twenty first. I do believe that's going

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to be a two part show. One hour with Ryan

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Graves in another hour with someone else involved in the

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nova the Novay what is UFOs. I believe that's what

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that's called. That's released on January twenty second, and I

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have a few comments about that, but I have to

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wait because I get to see things sometimes a screen

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or ahead of time, and I am actually going to

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be doing a different show. I'll talk about that at

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some point. That's to be coming up in February on

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a couple of things. In that show, we're going to

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be talking about flur videos. I have David Falch and

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Robert Powell. That's twenty first of February. We're going to

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be talking about the Flair videos and should be very

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interesting in the Aguideia and many more, you know UFO incidents.

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I want to thank everyone that helps out with the show.

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I really appreciated all those who listen and our archives.

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I got to tell you, our archives on Speaker are

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getting a lot of listens these days. There's over six

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hundred of them, and but you know, I look at

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each week that goes by and there's you know, thousands

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and thousands of listens in the old archives, so I

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really appreciate that. I appreciate anyone who listens to the

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show and listens to the archives and recent shows. And

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you can always see us here on YouTube every Tuesday

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at seven pm. And also we're on a bunch of

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other platforms in KGr A Radio, and I think we're

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on Twitter, and speaking of that, within when I get

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settled down in South Carolina, I'm going to start a

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Twitter spaces. I'm part of helping out Darcy Ware with

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his He's going to be on my at least my

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initial show coming up when I start that. That's going

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to be on Thursday nights at seven o'clock. I'm not

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sure if I'm going to do it consistently, but I'm

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really enjoying the interaction with the Twitter listeners in these

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that we have Twitter spaces. I never even had heard

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of it, but you know, people get to they kind

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of raise their hand and they can talk for a while.

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There's some really interesting points. A lot of these people

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are making. Some people really into the topic and know

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what they're talking about, and then there's others no just kidding.

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But anyway, I am ready to bring in the one

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and only Dean Alioto. Dean, welcome, thank you, Hi you do, Martin.

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I'm doing great. Always good to see you, Dean likewise brother, Yeah,

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and congratulations on your release that's coming out tomorrow. And

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I feel kind of honored because you told me i'd

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be the first one to interview you on this and

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you've actually turned people down. So that's how I feel, wondered.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have, I have, I've turned out.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, you don't have to name names.

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Speaker 2: Who else? Fox News, CNN, ABC, NBC.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, thank you, it's you, Martin. So yeah, so,

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and I'll be forever grateful for you taking over the podcast.

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So people still had a wonderful show to listen to

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while I was gone. You know, that was a boy

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that's coming up on That was over two and a

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half years ago, now, oh my gosh, something like that. Yeah,

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two years, three or four.

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Speaker 2: In and happy that you came back and replaced me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, But out of that, this is a really interesting

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thing I'd like for you to talk about. This spawned

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an idea for a comedy. Can you talk a little

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bit about that?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, after being five years in the documentary space

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for these ended up being for different documentaries. I needed

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a break. I was burnt, and after doing your podcast,

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I was encouraged, maybe mistakenly, to do my own podcast.

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So I became obsessed with setting this up, giving the

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right name, the right logo, all that stuff. And my

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girlfriend Ali looked over at me one night and said,

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what are you What are you doing? And I said, well,

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I'm doing my research to create my podcast, and she says, no, no, no,

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why are you doing this? I said, well, it's going

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to be fun, That's why I'm doing this, and she says, babe,

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it doesn't look fun. And I thought about it for

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a second. I went, yeah, screw this. And because if

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you're going to do a podcast, you've got to do

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it for all the right reasons. You can't put any

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expectations on it, you can't put any press around it.

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I was approaching it like I would filmmaking, like we're

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ramping up for a production, which is always very stressful.

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mad props for everyone who does you know podcasts, let

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alone in this space. And so after four months I

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saw the actors and Directors strike was on the horizon,

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and I thought, well, if I don't shoot something now

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after five years, I'm probably not going to do another

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indie film for another two or three years. And so

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I took that experience and I wrote this story about

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a paranormal investigator podcaster who is obsessed with getting one

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hundred thousand subscribers and more, and he debunks the supernatural

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that's his whole shtick, and he ends up meeting up

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with an associate professor who believes he can prove that

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there is no afterlife, and the experiment that he does

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to quantify it goes wrong, goes bad, and so it

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becomes this dark buddy Buddy kind of like an American

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war Wolf in London project, which the film got finished

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and we screened at frank Fest, had a world premiere

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last June in London, and now we are going to

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be coming out sometime this year a theatrical release that

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looks like with the same possibly the same people who

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did Terrify Her three. So so we'll see. But anyway, yeah,

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so it's all because of you and this is your fault, Martin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know it's funny how life takes little

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twists and turns along the way. One thing leads into

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to another, and you know, I mean, it's it's pretty

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pretty interesting how that always goes. I just make an

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adjustment of my camera here. But so this the the

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show that you have out released tomorrow. You've been working

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on that a long time. I remember when you first

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started working on that, and you have mechukackle and I'd

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like to run a little teaser for that little trailer

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when you're ready. Oh, let's rock it right now, Oh

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right now, okay, all right, So this company changed things here,

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so I'm here.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: I got it.

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Speaker 4: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Was unlike anything I'd ever seen before.

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Speaker 2: Everything started out normally. You see him upset and started

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putting cord renders the forest.

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Speaker 1: We just looked at each other for a minute and

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looked back up at the sky.

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Speaker 4: There was no sound at all.

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Speaker 2: Multiple witnesses, military personnel. My emotions are all over the place, scared.

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Speaker 4: Rude, in awe.

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Speaker 2: Most science documentaries look at an encounter with extraterrestrial civilization

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from our point of view. Let's turn it upside.

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Speaker 1: Down simply the hypothesis that we live in a computer simulation.

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Speaker 2: The question comes up who created the simulations.

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Speaker 1: It was observing us, It was communicating my questions are where.

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Speaker 4: To come from?

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Speaker 1: Should they maybe be us in the future.

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Speaker 3: We cannot assume that they're just one hundred years more

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advanced than us.

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Speaker 2: If aliens are intelligent, they're also curious. Here we are

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we come in peace?

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Speaker 1: Front page of the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether there are other countries that would

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like to get their hands on this. What are the

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next steps that ASSA is going to do? What are

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the next steps that the community is going to do.

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Speaker 5: This is stuff that belongs to humanity.

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Speaker 1: Nice piece, Yes, yeah, yeah. So you know a lot

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of people have no idea how much work is involved

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house and I saw you a big screen thing where

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you're doing this editing and it's like a million things

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going on on it at once. And you know, James

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behind the editing board or whatever you want to call that,

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and God, there's so much stuff to it. Are you

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get some type of training or how that all all

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to show people that concept on screen, I'm all for.

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because you have to find an actor that looks like

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the person you're interviewing, and maybe it was twenty years

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can act, and it becomes just a real kind of challenge.

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security detail and going out and touching this craft. I

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out to him and I said, dude, is there someone

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that you work with that you can, you know, help

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me out because you know I'm doing this thing. Because

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a UFO science doc. And I supposed to have a

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what he brought to it was, I mean, it's we

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of the audience was like, oh my god, I now

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know what the tic Tac incident was like, because up

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right where the tic Tac moves out of frame or

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rotating all of that stuff, which is amazing. But I

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the in the jet fighter. And so how I did

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and create what that was like to be in the

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do with doing regular you know, film reenactments. So it

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animation before, and now I just I swear by it.

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having an animator help animate it. So it it kind

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of brought these stories that we've heard before to life

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in addition to the new and fresh interviews that I did,

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and I made a point of asking questions about aspects

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of these incidences that I hadn't heard before or that

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that people had said, I really want to know what

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it was like to me in the forest or you know,

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et cetera. So anyway, yeah, so that animation took a

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long time, and you know, as part of what it

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took seven years from start to finish. I mean, I

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met you. You were the first podcast that I did

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in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: In this with Stan Freeman and oh yes, right there

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in Phoenix who did that? Yeah that was a blast.

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think there's I don't know, seventy thousand views or something

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of that one.

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for tipping me off a note of that. Yeah, so

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it was really that was the moment, you know, where

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I came in and again, why do another documentary? There

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are way too many in this space, and the pun

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intended and I didn't go to that to the UFO

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Congress thinking oh, I was going to, you know, go

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out and do a documentary. It was just because i'd

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done documentaries, I hadn't seen anything explored in the space

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of what I normally do structurally wise, and because I

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do independent films as well, I wanted to be very cinematic.

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been out there, and the one thing they all share

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in common and succeed to a great degree is they're

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from the human's perspective. And I think we're all kind

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of curious why they're visiting us, what would that be?

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How would we try and answer what their perspective is?

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Speaker 1: I remember you were in touch with me when you're

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kicking around titles. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I started in twenty eighteen doing interviews. Travis

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Taylor and Nick Pope were the first ones that I did,

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and then that became Sean Cahill and some other people

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and Harvard professors, and then it just went on and on,

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and I thought, well, I'm going to crank this out.

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In nine months, it'll be fifteen interviews. I'll be done.

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Ha ha ha, And I was given. I was giving

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a fox crap because I had been one of the

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many people that had consulted on his film, and I said, dude,

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eight years to do this documentary. That's not sustainable. You

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got to get it up there.

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Speaker 1: And here are he listened to you? Obviously? Well yeah,

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well if that was, now he's putting him out and

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every every nine months or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's crushing it. Yes, I'm the one that's that's,

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you know, bad example. I'm I'm doing it. So I

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cursed myself, the hubrits of me. So anyway, it took

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that long because it went from one feature to two

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and then to three and Netflix wanted it, but they

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wanted to to finish editing the other two and and

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thanks to Leslie Kane and we can talk about that later,

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it completely got reassembled and became something bigger, and I

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didn't feel comfortable passing it over when I was when

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each of these episodes was its own journey, and and anyway,

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it ended up being four episodes and then I went okay,

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hold on, what are we looking at here? And then

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I had to kind of separate some that were too

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far in one aspect of it, and you know, ones

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that were a completely different story. And so right now

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tomorrow Wednesday, January eighth, the Alien Perspective drops on Amazon

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and Apple TV. And then around May part two, which

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is a completely different vibe, drops and and so then

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the other two episodes became separate movies. One is all

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about experiencers and that's called The Experiencers, and now the

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other one is a documentary on John Mack. And in

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each of these episodes, I promise, I promised the viewers

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that there's some mic drops in each project, each show

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that that that I've not seen before and I'm hoping

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that others haven't seen. And so the goal, the ultimate

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goal here is to take audiences that are new to

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the genre and be you know, it's kind of gateway.

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So we start at NASA and then we you know,

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migrate to the UH, to the similar a reality hypothesis

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and learn are we living in the simulation? Who create

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the simulation? And then it goes on from there and

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it just branches out to more and more all the alternatives,

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let's say, and there's a thread that's going throughout with

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Kevin Kanuth. That's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're kind of teasing the episode two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it wasn't by design. It just ended

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up being that way. It made much more sense to

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separate these projects.

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Speaker 1: M yeah, yeah, I saw that that thought, Oh yeah,

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that's going to make me want to watch the season two.

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I don't want to give too much away, but I

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mean it is, uh, it's basically I guess you could

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talk about it a little bit. Materials we're talking about,

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which is always a fascinating thing. But then I'm always

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skeptical myself of any type of materials as well. So

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at the same time, so you know, and you know

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the conclusions for this, I don't, but you haven't even

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shared that, you know, even with your buddy Martin.

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Speaker 2: So I wish I did, but I had myself regressed

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through hypnosis. Oh Si came out and gave me a

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singing pantole. I haven't a clue how it ends.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to get oh good good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you that. Yeah, there is material,

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and you can see in the trailer it's in a

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like a shoe box. Yeah, we're going to get the

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final results of what this material is. And there's a

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lot of great people who do analyze material, like Carrie Nolan. However,

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I wanted to go to someone who is a pioneer

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and extraterrestrial material. And what I mean by that is

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someone who only studies asteroids and meteorites and metals. And

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this guy, Uh, what's genius about him is he's discovered

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how to drill down. Because the modern technology that we

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have right now would only take you back so far

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with regards to the origin or the date of how

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long you could you could date something, so it would

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be approximate, like it's within a few thousand years or

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maybe a million years or so. He was able to

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pinpoint it and and so we did a blind Pepsi test.

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Literally it was it's the first time that I'm aware

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of where someone's gone, and given them samples and said

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take a look at it and let us know what

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it is and do a full round. And then he

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did his own round, a separate one with a separate test,

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and and so we feel pretty confident about the conclusions.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know, Gary Nolan is not a metal or gist,

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he's a you know what I mean. He's it's wonderful,

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he said Stanford. You know, he's well respected and all that.

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So I was always wondering why he was getting involved

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in that aspect of it. I do think his research

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on the you know, the what I want to say,

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the brain changes, you know, that he I don't know

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exactly what you would call that, the all the altered

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altercations of some parts of your brain when you're having

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an encounter. And that's fascinating to me, you know, And

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and I wonder how that holds up to scrutiny his work.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I know that's ever changing and ever developing. So I'm interested.

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He's always worth you know, checking into this guy. He's

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at cal Tech, he was recruited. He's a you know,

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professoral professor. He's he's yeah, he's a wonder kid, young guy, amazing.

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So uh yeah, I think that's as much as I

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can divulge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but no, this is uh, this is all fascinating.

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And the other two let's see. I so I forgot

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that you're doing a standalone and John mac and that,

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you know, he's one of my favorite people in the

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you know that's really looked at this topic seriously, you know,

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I mean, just the wonderful way he handled the Ariel incident,

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you know, the school children there, and just the persecution

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that he had for you know, looking into this topic,

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and how he was able to you know, rise above that,

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you know. And so but anyway, he's such an interesting person.

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And did you learn a lot when you were working

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it's funny whenever you're working on a project, especially,

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and I've done biographies on Billy the Kid, was he Bordon.

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A lot of historical figures you start to at some

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point empathize and get into as much as you can

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get into their mindset of what they were going through,

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just Throughsthmosi's not to the degree that of anything that's

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you know, a transference of psyche, but it comes close.

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And with John Mac, I would call Will Bouchet, who

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is the head of Jimmy, which is a John E.

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Mac Institute, who is the archivist there, and I would

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say I would come up and I go, God damn it,

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and he go what I'd say, I'm so upset that

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I never got a chance to meet him, because I

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have so many more questions. And so sometimes I would

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have these questions and I would pour through all this

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footage and I would get clues to the answers, and

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so it was kind of backing into it. But you know,

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he was an amazing mind. He was very childlike in

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some ways. His curiosity, you know, it's a pioneer, and

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he kind of he was an easy target. There was

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a lot of envy. I mean, first of all, this

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guy was in his day, wasn't Adonis. He's a good

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looking guy. Oh yeah, Saltzer, Yeah, you know, and in

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the seventies, Pulitzer Prize and what he was doing was

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always revolutionary, and this was one topic that he thought, well,

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I can come in and lick it. It's some psychosis

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and I'll maybe I'll call it the Johnny mac syndrome.

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And he ends up discovering that these people all suffering

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from PTSD and so what that means is they have

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clinical post traumatic stress syndrome and you can't fake that.

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And he would cone through their past and he couldn't

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find any other reason for this. Then when these abductions

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started and when the post traumatic syndrome kicked in, so

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you know, he thought he was going to be lauded

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for this, and it turns out that he was. You know,

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slowly Harvard was lame kindling around his feet, getting ready

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to burn the witch, you know, and this is the nineties,

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it's not that long.

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Speaker 1: Ago, right, And I don't know if I must have

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told you this, that I did some work with antiques,

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helping a guy sell a collection. And he was also

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he was a Harvard professor, and knew John Mack worked

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with John Mack, loved John Mack. He said he was

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a personal friend of his. And and you know, when

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I started talking about the accident, for those of you

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who don't, you know, there's conspiracies out there that you

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know he was killed. But basically he was extremely tired.

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He was in London, I believe it was, and forgot that,

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you know, the left lane traffic, whatever it was. He

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didn't look when he was crossing the street, got run

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over by a truck.

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Speaker 2: Basically, well, it was a taxi that I got run

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over by. And it was an off taxi, Yeah, off

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duty taxi driver who had been drinking. So that doesn't

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sound like a sleeper cell who was activated. At this

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point in his career, he had come up with passports

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to the Cosmos, and he had already he had already

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kind of had his big day and that was with abduction.

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And so by the time that book came out, it

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didn't have nearly as much fanfare at all, actually, and

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so he was kind of winding down his career, so

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it made no sense. So I think it's a you know,

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it's kind of a disservice to a tribute, any kind

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of you know. I mean people are going to do that, right, conspiracy. Yeah,

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if I get a car, there's going to be five.

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There's many people are say there's five other Dan Aliotos

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who are killed that same day. You know, Sarahkana Dean

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Alioto is. Isn't it a normal name?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Well the double ed short of you know

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what we have today with social media and stuff like that,

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there's conspiracy about no matter what it is, you know,

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I mean I get sent these things constantly all the time,

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and you know, you always have to look at the source,

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of course. It's and it's that way especially with you know,

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when you're looking anything to do with UFOs. There's so

474
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:44,240
many c GI UFO videos and AI create videos out

475
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,799
there now. And you know, I have people that know

476
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,000
I'm into the you know, UFO topic that are friends

477
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,880
and they'll send me some well what do you think

478
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,319
about this? And it's like, uh, No, that's you know,

479
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,480
that's that's not not real.

480
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: It's funny.

481
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 4: I I am.

482
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: Uh Dave Foley who's in the documentary as a friend

483
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,039
of mine, and he's someone who like I'll reach out

484
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,240
or we'll be talking and I'll say, yeah, I'm kind

485
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,039
of pulling away from the UFO space for a little bit.

486
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:16,599
I need a break.

487
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,759
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw that he hasn't run his last

488
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:20,759
podcast since June.

489
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, podcast is doing well.

490
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: No, he hasn't.

491
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:25,079
Speaker 3: He has not.

492
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: He has not had a new podcast since June.

493
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh really, because I I just dragged him out on

494
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,200
a on a radio podcast tour.

495
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: For this movie, but on his own really, yeah, him

496
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,480
and Tom, Yeah, with Tom. Really, that's what I saw.

497
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240
You know, maybe I'm hallucinating or maybe something happened.

498
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 5: I am not.

499
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm not in the feet any longer.

500
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, d MT could be DMPT. But but for me,

501
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,240
I had pulled away and he said, hey, Dane, now

502
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,799
he's not Now, it's not the time to do that.

503
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,839
There's some interesting stuf upcoming. And then he's right, and

504
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,599
so I had to kind of, you know, come back

505
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,880
to it. But I think it's always good to take

506
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,440
a break and say all right, I need to cleanse

507
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,440
the palette and then come at it, you know, in

508
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:13,000
a hopefully a stronger way.

509
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: I got June twenty seventh, is the last time you

510
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:16,759
had a podcast?

511
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Oh? Really?

512
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

513
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: But I'll tell get you button Gear live on.

514
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,039
Speaker 1: Yeah you added him?

515
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

516
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:28,559
Speaker 2: Great, good for you. You're canceled Martin.

517
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll see how that goes. Yeah, uh yeah, so yeah,

518
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:35,920
I mean he was doing such a great job. He

519
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:40,119
was getting guests that you know, uh, I've said many times,

520
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,720
I've been trying to get Alex Dietrich forever on this show.

521
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,279
She'd make a wonderful guest. But you know she then

522
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,599
I watched her. I watched her in some documentary. She

523
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:50,920
says that I don't want to be known as the

524
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:55,559
UFO girl, you know podcast UFO. You know, maybe that's it.

525
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,279
But she already said yes, and then she I haven't

526
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:00,519
been able to not return.

527
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: Let me call her right now, hold on, step would

528
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,240
you do that?

529
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,319
Speaker 1: Ye, let's do this live? Yeah.

530
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it's interesting because she was interviewed and maybe

531
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,160
we heard the same podcast and she said that Fraber

532
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,799
said come on sixty minutes when you speak on sixty

533
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,920
minutes because she was reticon to do that because she

534
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,279
didn't want to be known. Like you said, he said,

535
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,839
once you do that, then the story's out there. They'll

536
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,440
always have it to be online. That's it. And so

537
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,119
she did it. But what it released was this this

538
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:30,279
kind of I think in her interest. I'm not speaking

539
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:34,559
for her in it and this discussion, and it turns

540
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,680
out that she's funny as hell. Yeah, and so she's

541
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,599
got real levity about it, and so she's she's contextualized

542
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:43,519
in the way that she can talk about it without

543
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:45,839
it becoming this intense thing or the scrutin and everything.

544
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,119
And so I you know, I'm excited about about her

545
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,200
kind of journey on this because everyone who comes out there,

546
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,559
it's it's going to be terrifying because you are trained

547
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,720
to keep secrets and everything, especial when you're in the

548
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:04,880
military and something like this. It's you know, I don't

549
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
think we could have done this before two thousand and

550
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:12,039
seventeenth December, right, it just wouldn't have happened. I mean now,

551
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,359
I mean I was able to get to people at

552
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,400
Harvard and Oxford because of that in.

553
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,119
Speaker 1: Part, that's right. Yeah, it really has opened up a

554
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:21,960
lot of doors the whole thing. Here's a question here

555
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,359
and we will get back to this. Can you talk

556
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,640
Thank you for this, Chris. Can you talk a bit

557
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,720
in general terms about the alien perspective, at least in

558
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,319
the sense of framing it and how you approached it

559
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,119
and before you before you answer, you know, that's one

560
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,559
thing you heard mitchu Kaku say about, you know, let's

561
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,640
look at it from the alien perspective. That must have

562
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,079
helped you, you know, choose the title as well. But

563
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,519
you know I've said many times in the show and that,

564
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,759
you know, we always think in human terms, and you know,

565
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:58,680
we have no idea how developing intelligence can have you know,

566
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,960
their thought maybe so foreign to us that we couldn't understand,

567
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,440
you know, but yet we you know, we kind of humanize,

568
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,279
you know, every every part of it. But anyway, there's

569
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,319
the question, and if you would like to answer and

570
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,400
address how he's his question here.

571
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: Sure, Thanks for the question, Chris. So the gateway for

572
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,680
me was that to look at that, and the way

573
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,400
that I framed it was I would ask everyone that

574
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,240
I interviewed to take a moment and whether it was saying,

575
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:38,480
imagine that you're looking at a very primal tribe that's

576
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:41,400
out in the jungles and you're observing them, what would

577
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,160
you think of them? Would you have feelings of superiority?

578
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,039
Would you look at them and say, oh, let me

579
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,000
change them, let me help them when we interact with them?

580
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,400
How would you do that? And so with that frame

581
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,319
of mind, and knowing also that we are going to

582
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,200
be that we are going to eventually if we don't,

583
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,920
you know, decimate ourselves, we're going to get to a

584
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,640
place where we're able to actually travel the cosmos and

585
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,920
going maybe it's interdimensional wherever. But but what are we

586
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,359
going to do? Are we going to adhere to the

587
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,759
prime directive? Like in Star Trek, which, by the way,

588
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:17,039
every single episode they broke Yeah, yeah, And so it

589
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,000
became an exercise in trying to flex hypothesis about it.

590
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,839
And so the difference is that the caliber of people

591
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,960
who were opining on this were you know, doctor Nick

592
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,839
Bostrom again the creator of the simulated reality hypothesis at Oxford.

593
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,799
It was Michael Masters out of Montana Tech. It was

594
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:44,480
Mitchell Kalku. It was people like Jim Peniston, you know,

595
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,039
why is this? And Peniston has his own interesting take

596
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,559
on it. So even if it was an exercise, it

597
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,599
was still a way to approach this that hadn't been

598
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,279
done before, and you'll see in the first episode there's

599
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,319
some things to glean from that and framing it that way.

600
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:04,960
So it was all built into the theme of the

601
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:09,440
documentary and was also part of again the animation, which

602
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,400
we had to see it from their perspective.

603
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: MM.

604
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,119
Speaker 2: It was actually a really nice shut of through through

605
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,039
the craft that Peniston is touching looking up at him,

606
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:23,960
and so based on what he said that when he

607
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:25,840
touched the craft would have felt like and what he

608
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,280
was getting. So yeah, I hope that answers your question question.

609
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,639
Speaker 1: Of yeah, and yes, I appreciate Chris that you put

610
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,480
that in caps. Anyone that has any questions please do

611
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,639
put them in caps so I don't I don't miss them.

612
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,840
And actually I'm going to say that we could take calls.

613
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,599
You know, sometimes you build calls, sometimes they don't. But

614
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,360
I will ask Chanelle producer. Yep, she said, give me

615
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,280
a second. She was listening, so she'll set up the

616
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,800
phone lines. But yeah, we could take calls, and you know,

617
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,239
people can ask you, you know, questions on the but

618
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,320
as far as where you traveled to film this. Where

619
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,960
are some of the places you went? I mean, I

620
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,199
remember when you came back to New England. We met

621
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,920
up here in the Boston area. Yes, Salem, I think

622
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,320
we're Salem actually right.

623
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: The sequel, yeah, again, it just started out with fifteen

624
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,760
interviews and then it ended up being in England France

625
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,000
at Francis Space Program, which gets no press at all,

626
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,000
but they've had their own massive program and gone into space.

627
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,920
So we interviewed an astronaut who's also biologist who works

628
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,920
for this c NES, their space program, National Space Program.

629
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:43,079
And then let's see, there was an interview in Germany,

630
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:51,000
and then there was an interview in Canada. So yeah,

631
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,599
so those are the four countries. I feel like I'm

632
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:54,119
missing one.

633
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:56,599
Speaker 1: Plus you're doing a lot of this during COVID. I

634
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,199
remember you were having trouble trying to go somewhere. Was

635
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,360
it in Canada? Was that wor?

636
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:00,679
Speaker 4: Yeah?

637
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: I was going to interview Emily Trim that's right. Yeah,

638
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,360
unfortunately we lost her in the meantime. That's very sadly.

639
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,760
Just you know, someone's just asking the other day when

640
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,119
I was in the Twitter spaces with Darcy, they said

641
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,840
they saw the show I did on Chris you know

642
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,000
O'Brien when he passed away, and of course Chris and

643
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,480
then Emily was like the week after, and they asked

644
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,119
me if I was going to do something on that,

645
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,199
And one of the only interviews up online is when

646
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,880
I did with her in Randall Nickerson. So Randall's heartbroken,

647
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,840
you know, because he worked very closely with her and

648
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,559
he really was very protective of the kids from the

649
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:45,760
Ariel incident. But eventually, you know, I'll have Randall on

650
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,119
and we'll do a tribute to Emily.

651
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:52,199
Speaker 2: Oh that would be great. Yeah, these are very sensitive

652
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,840
people and they've gone on to do incredible things. And

653
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,559
then John McDuck, I have two of the students and yeah,

654
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,039
and so yeah, I can't get into.

655
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,639
Speaker 1: What we on earthed, but is Francis one of those?

656
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,199
I remember you were trying to connect with Francis h

657
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:15,960
Samuda back.

658
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was it was very much. Yeah, I

659
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,960
just felt I felt bad Randall. You know, these were

660
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,559
these became his family, you know, all the students, and

661
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:29,400
he kept in contact with them and very protective and

662
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,480
yeah that's yeah, breaks your.

663
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,519
Speaker 1: Heart, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So the phone lines are

664
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,119
open if anyone would like to call in. That phone

665
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:42,360
number is eight five five four seven two five four

666
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,559
eight three. That's the show number. If anyone would like to,

667
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:50,639
I would like to call in. So let's see you

668
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,559
know what I want to talk about. We're going to

669
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,679
take just this little break. I want you to it's

670
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,480
about I think it's about four minutes. I don't know

671
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,280
if I need to run the whole thing. But do

672
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,079
you want to talk about where you sent me? We

673
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,159
went through this weird drone flap. I think it's still

674
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:08,760
going on. I think I saw somewhere in Scandinavia there's

675
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,079
all of a sudden a bunch of drones recently. I

676
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,920
can't remember exactly where, but this is it's still kind

677
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,320
of ongoing. But it was a strange flap. And so

678
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,440
set this up if you would this video that you said.

679
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: Sure, anytime I can use the word flap, I'm there for.

680
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:34,199
So November twenty ninth of this year, my girlfriend and

681
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:38,239
I are looking on the deck and I see drones

682
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,559
out there. In fact, I see seven of them. It's

683
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,880
off my deck in the distance about maybe a mile,

684
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,559
and I'm I'm looking at them, and I'm a filmmaker,

685
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,960
so I use drums and usually when you're doing a production,

686
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,000
because I'm in Los Angeles, it's like, oh, someone shooting

687
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,719
a movie. But there's seven of them. That doesn't make sense.

688
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,639
You don't need seven, you just need one maybe two.

689
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,519
And they're moving around radically and almost kind of crisscrossing

690
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:13,119
each other. But you know, in my assessment, my knowledge

691
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,519
of drones and using them at night and everything, you know,

692
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,920
these are drones. And so I just start videotaping them.

693
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,440
And then the colors are green, blue, and red, and

694
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,199
then occasionally they will flash into a ball, like a

695
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,800
light ball, and it's like the light beaming out, emanating,

696
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,840
and then it returns back to its shape and continues going.

697
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,840
So I videotaped does something that's a prosaic thing. It's

698
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,079
just maybe there's a light on it or something, and

699
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:43,880
I forget about it. And then December fifteenth comes around

700
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,000
and the Jersey drones happen. And it takes me like

701
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,320
a few days to recall that that moment I went

702
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,280
back and I looked at it, I'm like, Okay, Jesus,

703
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,320
this is the same exact thing. So I tease you

704
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,159
and I send it to you. You know, what do

705
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:01,519
you think of this and then my daughter put it

706
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:06,440
on TikTok, broke it up into a few clips to

707
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:10,079
you know, to get reactions of this, not saying what

708
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,360
it was one way or another, and you can actually

709
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:20,239
see it, which is at Captured Pictures Official and it's

710
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,639
there and it kind of blew up when of them

711
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,079
was like twenty eight thousand views. And I also quit

712
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,559
clips from behind the scenes of the making of the documentary.

713
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,159
But if you look at this, it's really really bizarre.

714
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:40,320
It's frustrating. I was just talking to to Bryce is

715
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,400
Abel about this and a few others, and the thing

716
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,119
that's frustrated about it is that the government's reasons for

717
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,320
this is pretty pretty weak. You know. They're saying, well,

718
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,639
it's it's not us, and kind of like they're not

719
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:56,880
worried about it. Yeah, I'm worried because I've been hearing

720
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,639
reports that other drones that have tried to go up

721
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,519
to check out have been turned off they die. Yeah, yeah,

722
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:04,760
so that's kind of concerned.

723
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,559
Speaker 1: What do they say? This is the funny thing and

724
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,480
the irony of it all. They say, you know, nothing

725
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,239
to worry about, but we don't know what they are,

726
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,679
you know, and how could you say both of those together,

727
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:16,519
that's a.

728
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Contradiction for sure. Yeah. Yeah, so I want an answer

729
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,119
to and if you don't, I don't know. I mean,

730
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,599
all the theories that I've been hearing, like the balloon

731
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,320
that you saw from China that got shut down, perfect example,

732
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,559
those keep up going on. I'm sure it's continuing to

733
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:36,800
go on. And I'm sure that we do the same thing.

734
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,760
And so if we spotlight this maybe too much, maybe

735
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,639
there is a cause to say, yeah, there it is

736
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:47,239
that we also have drones in other countries, but the

737
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,639
behavior is just really strange. I mean, as an example,

738
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,400
for me to fly my single drone, I had to

739
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,559
schedule a time because originally the shooting day happened when

740
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,960
there was a game at Dodger Stadium and they said

741
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,960
you can't be within five miles of this. Wow, so

742
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,280
I had, you know, So there is regulations and stuff,

743
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,119
and to see all of these drones, it's just, uh,

744
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,800
it's it's disconcerting it and that they're over Langley and

745
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,599
other places. And what about the drone flap that happened way.

746
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: Back years ago in Colorado.

747
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's I don't know, I'm not gonna you

748
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,519
know again, if these, if they are EXTRATERRESTI does then't

749
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:26,480
want to take us out. They can do that any moment.

750
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: You know it.

751
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: One can easily go, oh, it's a reconn. It's a recon.

752
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,199
It's happening right now.

753
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: I connected to the guy that wrote a lot about

754
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,159
the drones in Colorado, and I asked him if you

755
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:41,719
thought there was a connection. His opinion is no, I

756
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,400
don't know. I can't remember what his reasoning was, but

757
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,360
he didn't think there was any connection. But anyway, here,

758
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,920
I'm going to play this again. I don't know if

759
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,679
I'm gonna play all four minutes, but we'll at least

760
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,719
play part of it here we go.

761
00:42:52,119 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 5: Sure you just went, okay, so there's a shipbot of

762
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,400
drowns here. There's one, two, three, four, five, six seven.

763
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: Are you figured out.

764
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 5: What is going on?

765
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: WHOA like those two are gonna each other?

766
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:40,599
Speaker 5: That one just got really bright. Those who gotta be

767
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,159
helicopters if they're not drowns or helicopters, now like the

768
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:45,800
Bad Buck.

769
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: Did I hear there was one of them you think

770
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:07,800
was a helicopter?

771
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at that point I'm going through my rolodex

772
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,400
of prosaic explanations, and I'm going helicopter, It's got to

773
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,800
be a helicopter, and it probably was. I mean, it

774
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,719
absolutely is a possibility, and same with the drones. But

775
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,559
drones don't usually have that light and get super bright

776
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,559
and so and some of the people made comments on

777
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,119
TikTok that well it's you know, planes coming in and

778
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:39,400
I'm like, yeah, no, lax is definitely to the left

779
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,920
of me. And these aren't going at a study of

780
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,800
decline going down. These are kind of circling and so yeah,

781
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,800
I mean again, and I'm I always like to kind

782
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,719
of present evidence and say, hey, what do you guys think,

783
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,000
because we're all trying to sort this out together, right,

784
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,360
and so you know, I'm not going to have the answers.

785
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:05,800
What I'm going to bring to it is is, you know,

786
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,800
my experience working with that technology shooting out of helicopters

787
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,679
as well. But there was just too many of them.

788
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,519
That was that was that was the weirdness, That was

789
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:19,800
the high strangeness that should not have happened. I've never

790
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,360
seen that before and i haven't seen it after.

791
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Wow, And so that was you said. This was back

792
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:25,519
in November.

793
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: November twenty ninth, at around eight thirty.

794
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,559
Speaker 1: So that's uh. I know that the drones started sometime

795
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:36,800
in November. They are seen in other places, but you know, yeah.

796
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: I only heard about the Jersey ones in December.

797
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: No, No, they started in November. I'm not sure exactly where,

798
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,880
but that's when people started reporting a lot of unusual

799
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,039
you know, drone sightings, and then you know they were

800
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,960
reported all over the world, you know, in Pine Gap

801
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:57,000
in Australia, in Germany and bases there in England, and

802
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,920
looks like, let's see, do we have a call, Yeah,

803
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,840
we have a call. We're going to bring in a

804
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:09,119
caller here and let's say hi to Gabriella from Palm Beach.

805
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 6: How are you, hey, Gabriella Mine, thank you, Hello, Hello,

806
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:23,440
mister host and guest mister Dean Aliotto. Chubby movie on

807
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:27,719
Amazon Prime called The Portal. I wonder if that's based

808
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,599
on any true facts, and tell us what you can

809
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,920
about that movie and was it fun to direct? I

810
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:39,440
had a blast my answer off the air. Thank you

811
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,159
for the.

812
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: Show, Thank you, Gabriella, thank you so Yeah.

813
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: Portal was a fun project. Peter Duke wrote the script

814
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,480
and it's funny because I did the McPherson. Take. Sometimes

815
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,400
I'll get scripts that are like kind of quasi found

816
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,039
footed esque, and so this had an element to that.

817
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,679
But it yeah, it was. It was great. We shot

818
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,880
it in a very short amount of time and used

819
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,719
a drone for that one as well. That was about

820
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,320
ghost hunters who are their competing ghost hunters. It's a

821
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,760
horror comedy, supernatural comedy. And they they get their competition's

822
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,559
location for this haunted house and they get the jump

823
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:26,920
on it and they go to film there and then

824
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:32,519
you know, weird shit happens, of course, And so she asked,

825
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,119
was there anything that was affected? It was just a

826
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,719
fun movie, a supernatural thing.

827
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 3: You know.

828
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: We folded in some details as much we can with

829
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:46,039
the supernatural, but it wasn't really UFO related. How what

830
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920
year was that it came out in twenty nineteen?

831
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,559
Speaker 1: I want to say, oh, Jess, I didn't even know

832
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:56,039
we knew each other, but I don't remember actually when

833
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,000
that came out. That's really I'm hurt. I know you

834
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:05,400
must be. Yeah, I tend to do that. Sorry. No, So, yeah,

835
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,800
after you get through this batch, we've got the experiences

836
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,960
you have, you know, the part two here and and

837
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,400
John Mack. You can explore other things as well.

838
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:27,159
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to explore the knitting. I'm gonna explore

839
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,119
knitting a whole documentary, maybe a three part series on knitting.

840
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,599
Speaker 1: Wow. That's yeah, that should be fascinating.

841
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I keep saying I'm not going to do anymore,

842
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,920
you know, this is it and and this is what

843
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,599
I have to say on this, But then I keep

844
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,360
uncovering certain things that I go, oh, geez, this is

845
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,280
this would be, this should be, this should come out.

846
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:55,119
People should know about this. But yeah, I mean, I'm

847
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:59,119
probably gonna do another feature film and again kind of

848
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,039
cleanse a palette and come back. And I'm also curious other,

849
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,039
you know, films like James Fox's The Program came out.

850
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,360
There's a couple other ones that are coming out, and

851
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,719
so I'm always keen to watch those and see and

852
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,599
make sure that I'm not overlapping or doing what they're doing.

853
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: Well. I think, you know, the program was a good

854
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,760
idea to really look at the Washington d C. Take

855
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,679
you know, what's going on there. I think that was

856
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,079
I think that's very important, and you know, I mean

857
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,719
it's you would think that some other countries, in some

858
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,519
sort of way may follow suit a little bit, but

859
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:37,800
I haven't really heard of anything, have you.

860
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: Of the program or as far as I'm talking about.

861
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: You know, hearings. We're having these hearings and some are

862
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,679
just asked in chat earlier if we if we had

863
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,000
any idea when the next one would be. And I

864
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,360
have no idea, but I mean for a government to

865
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,360
take it as sterious as the US has recently, I

866
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,719
think is pretty fast.

867
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: You already have. I mean in France they came out

868
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:07,920
years ago, Canada and yeah, so I feel like they don't.

869
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:10,719
They're more open to it, whereas we've had to fight

870
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:16,360
through some dogma and and cynicism to get to the

871
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,559
place that we're at. And it wasn't until again, until

872
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:23,719
the Navy said, yes, it's not us, it's not that

873
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,719
our foe, it's something else that all of a sudden

874
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,519
was like, okay, now it's on the table of conversation.

875
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,239
But what's interesting again is the fact that you've kind

876
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,480
of both sides of the aisle talking to each other saying,

877
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:39,239
my esteemable colleague, congressman this or.

878
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: That that's right.

879
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: As Democrat. That is amazing that the only thing that

880
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,119
they're coming together on is UAPs. What does that say?

881
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, one of the very rare times. And

882
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,880
that was really interesting to be in the room both

883
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,599
times during the hearing and seeing that, you know, right

884
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,559
right in front of you where you know, two different

885
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:04,000
people across the aisle where not whether they weren't arguing

886
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,719
with each other, which was really nice. And let's see,

887
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,639
someone was asking if you were really saying knitting that

888
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,760
was actually a joke. Yes, you can never take card hearing.

889
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: Hard, asked, I take my work very serious. I did

890
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:19,039
not take myself serious.

891
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: So however, I do it anyway you might do it. Yeah,

892
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,559
but boy, I can't believe how fast this hour has

893
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:31,480
been flying flying by. So anyone would like to make

894
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:33,559
a call, we have we can take one more call

895
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,159
if anyone is up for that. The number is eight

896
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:39,079
five five four seven two five four eight three. I'm

897
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,480
going to pull that off off the board here soon.

898
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:43,760
Actually we If you're going to call, you better call

899
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,119
right now because we only have seven minutes left on

900
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,159
kg R A. And yeah, so I hope this goes

901
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,760
really well for you, Dean. You know, I mean you, uh,

902
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:56,599
you have a good publicist.

903
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:57,119
Speaker 4: I know that.

904
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: And just an aggressive one. Very good. So I'm glad,

905
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,519
glad this is working on. I know you had everyone

906
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,800
in the film business has had a hard time, you know,

907
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,000
with getting the product out there and being able to

908
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,519
trust what's going to happen after ten ninety one? Is

909
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,159
that what was the name? You know there were some issues?

910
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no I have ever associated with them.

911
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

912
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,039
Speaker 2: Oh is that a caller from Montreal?

913
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, let's let's talk to Thank you for

914
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,400
catching that, Andrew, Welcome to the show.

915
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: Hi, Mark and Hydean, Hey Andrew. Yeah, I'm you guys

916
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,960
are aware. Stephen Bassett of the New Paradigm Institute started

917
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,239
from the call the Hollywood the Schools are alliance, and

918
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,679
I think a couple of months gets on that. Darcy Ware,

919
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:59,199
Mark Antonio, and David Hooley. I'm just curious me, like,

920
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,440
are you very encouraged that this thing will kind of

921
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,119
encourage the sclosure? Because I'm kind of the eye it.

922
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,639
It's good that Hollywood may create content to help disclosure,

923
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,880
or also worry that they could be a tool of

924
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,440
the pedagogue or the government to create disinformation. So I

925
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,480
don't know what you think of the Holly disclosure licensed

926
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:23,119
by Yes.

927
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: Sure, let me vouch for Darcy, Paul Heinek, Dave Foley,

928
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,239
and I think there was someone else that you mentioned.

929
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,800
These are very reputable people. I just had lunch with

930
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Foley and he's always questioning, always like me, kicking the

931
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,480
tires of the genre. No one is being coll opted.

932
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,159
The government's able to do that themselves. There's enough Richard

933
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:52,320
doughties out there. Sure you know, Hollywood doesn't need to

934
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,400
be recruited for that. We're making our own movies, whether

935
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,840
it's evil aliens or good aliens. Though Spielberg is doing

936
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,239
a big event uf A movie, which I'm super stoked about.

937
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,840
So yeah, am I encouraged? It depends on what your

938
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:13,519
definition of disclosure is, right, because the there's the disclosure

939
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,360
of the government come out and saying that that, yes,

940
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,039
aliens are real or UFOs are real. Well, they've pretty

941
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,159
much done that. So what else do you want to see?

942
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,320
The tailpipe of a UFO slept on the congressional hearing table.

943
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I do that would be nice. Maybe an alien body

944
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that would that would certainly be a groundbreaking. But for

945
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a lot of us that already believe in it, it's

946
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:40,079
already disclosures kind of already happen, and for experiencers, it's

947
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happened on a one by one basis, whether they're chosen

948
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or not. And so I think I would like to

949
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have kind of that that evidence with regards to the

950
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you know, disclosure of the aliens coming, that's a whole

951
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,920
other you know, conversation and maybe a whole their documentary. However,

952
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,039
we do look into that certainly. But yeah, I mean

953
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those are kind of exciting times that you know that

954
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,480
this is being taken serious to this level. So I

955
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:12,719
kind of feel like we got the the the snacks

956
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:16,119
and the appetizers and now we might be moving into

957
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:17,840
the entree with this phenomenon.

958
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for the call, Andrew. I appreciate it.

959
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,679
We have to wrap it up, so thanks so much.

960
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,920
So where can someone catch your film The Alien Perspective?

961
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Apple TV and Amazon, Apple.

962
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 2: TV and Amazon and it drops tomorrow or midnight maybe tonight,

963
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,639
but yes, The Alien Perspective excellent.

964
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Speaker 1: Well, Dean, as always a great pleasure.

965
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,119
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you, brother, appreciate it all right,

966
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and we'll.

967
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Speaker 1: Be in touch talk soon, all right, everyone, So don't

968
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forget next week we are going to be live in

969
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,000
studio at James Fox Studio actually in of Vermont and

970
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:59,000
check that out. The following week have Ryan Graves, so

971
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we have a good twenty twenty five starting here. Thank

972
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you so much everyone, and remember to keep your eyes

973
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to the sky.