Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show, and Martin Willers your host,
and happy new Year to everyone. That's our first show
of twenty twenty five, and it's an exciting year already.
Coming up, we have a great guest tonight, Deani Laoto,
a great friend of mine and the show. Some of
you may remember when I was out for surgery, Dean
filled in for jeez. I think it was like a
month or something. So anyway, it's really great welcoming him back.
He has a new documentary that's being released on Apple
TV tomorrow called The Alien Perspective Part One. It's a
two part series and he has a standalone we'll talk
about all of that coming up here in just a minute.
So when I say it's kind of exciting right off
the bat, we have a couple of really interesting interviews
coming up. I'm going to be Donna and I are
going over my producer Donna and better half I'll Caller.
We're going over to Vermont to do an in studio
show with James Fox coming up next Tuesday, and the
following week, I have Ryan Graves finally is going to
be in studio and we're going to be running that
show on the twenty first. I do believe that's going
to be a two part show. One hour with Ryan
Graves in another hour with someone else involved in the
nova the Novay what is UFOs. I believe that's what
that's called. That's released on January twenty second, and I
have a few comments about that, but I have to
wait because I get to see things sometimes a screen
or ahead of time, and I am actually going to
be doing a different show. I'll talk about that at
some point. That's to be coming up in February on
a couple of things. In that show, we're going to
be talking about flur videos. I have David Falch and
Robert Powell. That's twenty first of February. We're going to
be talking about the Flair videos and should be very
interesting in the Aguideia and many more, you know UFO incidents.
I want to thank everyone that helps out with the show.
I really appreciated all those who listen and our archives.
I got to tell you, our archives on Speaker are
getting a lot of listens these days. There's over six
hundred of them, and but you know, I look at
each week that goes by and there's you know, thousands
and thousands of listens in the old archives, so I
really appreciate that. I appreciate anyone who listens to the
show and listens to the archives and recent shows. And
you can always see us here on YouTube every Tuesday
at seven pm. And also we're on a bunch of
other platforms in KGr A Radio, and I think we're
on Twitter, and speaking of that, within when I get
settled down in South Carolina, I'm going to start a
Twitter spaces. I'm part of helping out Darcy Ware with
his He's going to be on my at least my
initial show coming up when I start that. That's going
to be on Thursday nights at seven o'clock. I'm not
sure if I'm going to do it consistently, but I'm
really enjoying the interaction with the Twitter listeners in these
that we have Twitter spaces. I never even had heard
of it, but you know, people get to they kind
of raise their hand and they can talk for a while.
There's some really interesting points. A lot of these people
are making. Some people really into the topic and know
what they're talking about, and then there's others no just kidding.
But anyway, I am ready to bring in the one
and only Dean Alioto. Dean, welcome, thank you, Hi you do, Martin.
I'm doing great. Always good to see you, Dean likewise brother, Yeah,
and congratulations on your release that's coming out tomorrow. And
I feel kind of honored because you told me i'd
be the first one to interview you on this and
you've actually turned people down. So that's how I feel, wondered.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have, I have, I've turned out.
Speaker 1: Let's see, you don't have to name names.
Speaker 2: Who else? Fox News, CNN, ABC, NBC.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, thank you, it's you, Martin. So yeah, so,
and I'll be forever grateful for you taking over the podcast.
So people still had a wonderful show to listen to
while I was gone. You know, that was a boy
that's coming up on That was over two and a
half years ago, now, oh my gosh, something like that. Yeah,
two years, three or four.
Speaker 2: In and happy that you came back and replaced me.
Speaker 1: Yes, But out of that, this is a really interesting
thing I'd like for you to talk about. This spawned
an idea for a comedy. Can you talk a little
bit about that?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, after being five years in the documentary space
for these ended up being for different documentaries. I needed
a break. I was burnt, and after doing your podcast,
I was encouraged, maybe mistakenly, to do my own podcast.
So I became obsessed with setting this up, giving the
right name, the right logo, all that stuff. And my
girlfriend Ali looked over at me one night and said,
what are you What are you doing? And I said, well,
I'm doing my research to create my podcast, and she says, no, no, no,
why are you doing this? I said, well, it's going
to be fun, That's why I'm doing this, and she says, babe,
it doesn't look fun. And I thought about it for
a second. I went, yeah, screw this. And because if
you're going to do a podcast, you've got to do
it for all the right reasons. You can't put any
expectations on it, you can't put any press around it.
It's got to be this natural. And I realized that
I was approaching it like I would filmmaking, like we're
ramping up for a production, which is always very stressful.
And so I had spent months doing this and mad respect,
mad props for everyone who does you know podcasts, let
alone in this space. And so after four months I
saw the actors and Directors strike was on the horizon,
and I thought, well, if I don't shoot something now
after five years, I'm probably not going to do another
indie film for another two or three years. And so
I took that experience and I wrote this story about
a paranormal investigator podcaster who is obsessed with getting one
hundred thousand subscribers and more, and he debunks the supernatural
that's his whole shtick, and he ends up meeting up
with an associate professor who believes he can prove that
there is no afterlife, and the experiment that he does
to quantify it goes wrong, goes bad, and so it
becomes this dark buddy Buddy kind of like an American
war Wolf in London project, which the film got finished
and we screened at frank Fest, had a world premiere
last June in London, and now we are going to
be coming out sometime this year a theatrical release that
looks like with the same possibly the same people who
did Terrify Her three. So so we'll see. But anyway, yeah,
so it's all because of you and this is your fault, Martin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know it's funny how life takes little
twists and turns along the way. One thing leads into
to another, and you know, I mean, it's it's pretty
pretty interesting how that always goes. I just make an
adjustment of my camera here. But so this the the
show that you have out released tomorrow. You've been working
on that a long time. I remember when you first
started working on that, and you have mechukackle and I'd
like to run a little teaser for that little trailer
when you're ready. Oh, let's rock it right now, Oh
right now, okay, all right, So this company changed things here,
so I'm here.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 1: Was unlike anything I'd ever seen before.
Speaker 2: Everything started out normally. You see him upset and started
putting cord renders the forest.
Speaker 1: We just looked at each other for a minute and
looked back up at the sky.
Speaker 4: There was no sound at all.
Speaker 2: Multiple witnesses, military personnel. My emotions are all over the place, scared.
Speaker 4: Rude, in awe.
Speaker 2: Most science documentaries look at an encounter with extraterrestrial civilization
from our point of view. Let's turn it upside.
Speaker 1: Down simply the hypothesis that we live in a computer simulation.
Speaker 2: The question comes up who created the simulations.
Speaker 1: It was observing us, It was communicating my questions are where.
Speaker 4: To come from?
Speaker 1: Should they maybe be us in the future.
Speaker 3: We cannot assume that they're just one hundred years more
advanced than us.
Speaker 2: If aliens are intelligent, they're also curious. Here we are
we come in peace?
Speaker 1: Front page of the New York Times.
Speaker 5: It was a big deal.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether there are other countries that would
like to get their hands on this. What are the
next steps that ASSA is going to do? What are
the next steps that the community is going to do.
Speaker 5: This is stuff that belongs to humanity.
Speaker 1: Nice piece, Yes, yeah, yeah. So you know a lot
of people have no idea how much work is involved
in these And I've been I've visited you at your
house and I saw you a big screen thing where
you're doing this editing and it's like a million things
going on on it at once. And you know, James
Fox has showed a couple of times with himself, you know,
behind the editing board or whatever you want to call that,
and God, there's so much stuff to it. Are you
self taught in a lot of that or did you
get some type of training or how that all all
that it is?
Speaker 2: I mean, now you can go online YouTube and you
can learn pretty much anything. I mean, that's actually how
I learned color grading was doing that, but editing with
self taught, taking some courses. Yeah, I mean you have
to these days. When I start out in the business,
it was I'm a writer, I'm a director, and that
was what you did. And the thing is, whatever shortens
the amount of time between the concept and being able
to show people that concept on screen, I'm all for.
And so you kind of empower yourself and you learn
how to operate cameras and you learn how to light
and to edit, and sometimes you're doing music as well,
and so it you know, but it's done in concert
with some really talented folks as well, so it's not
all you.
Speaker 1: Right, And you had animation done. I know that that
took a long time. I think that was one of
the the things I was holding you back, right, getting
the animation done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I had done crime shows for like twenty years,
and you know, did docs for A and He, Bravo, Discovery,
et cetera. And I wanted to do something that was
different than the reenactments that I had done before. Because
doing a reenactment with actors is always kind of dodgy, right,
because you have to find an actor that looks like
the person you're interviewing, and maybe it was twenty years
before that they got to look different and hopefully they
can act, and it becomes just a real kind of challenge.
And I thought, no, I want to see what James
Peniston when he was in Rentlesham Forest, you know, had
security detail and going out and touching this craft. I
want to see what he looked like back then. I
want to contextualize it. And so one of my favorite
films was the Oscar winning documentary called Searching for Sugarman,
and I tracked down the animator because they had done
some animation in it, like world class animation. And so
I tracked this guy down, Arvid Steam, and I reached
out to him and I said, dude, is there someone
that you work with that you can, you know, help
me out because you know I'm doing this thing. Because
I didn't think he was going to be interested doing
a UFO science doc. And I supposed to have a
five minute conversation with him, and forty five minutes later
he said, I must do this. I'm doing this and
what he brought to it was, I mean, it's we
had our world premiere in Los Angeles and the bulk
of the audience was like, oh my god, I now
know what the tic Tac incident was like, because up
until now it's really only been seeing the Flear footage
right where the tic Tac moves out of frame or
you hear you know, oh gosh, look at it. It's
rotating all of that stuff, which is amazing. But I
want to be with Dave Fraber, Commander Dave Fraver in
the in the jet fighter. And so how I did
that was to work with this this animator and storyboard
and create what that was like to be in the
back seat of Dave Fravor's jet as the tic Tac
flies across his windshield and slow motion take it in
slow motion, and then do it also from the craft's
perspective looking at Fravor, which is something that you can't
do with doing regular you know, film reenactments. So it
opened me up as a first time I'd ever done
animation before, and now I just I swear by it.
And this is two D animation, It's not three D.
This is someone drawing every single you know, sell and
having an animator help animate it. So it it kind
of brought these stories that we've heard before to life
in addition to the new and fresh interviews that I did,
and I made a point of asking questions about aspects
of these incidences that I hadn't heard before or that
that people had said, I really want to know what
it was like to me in the forest or you know,
et cetera. So anyway, yeah, so that animation took a
long time, and you know, as part of what it
took seven years from start to finish. I mean, I
met you. You were the first podcast that I did
in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: In this with Stan Freeman and oh yes, right there
in Phoenix who did that? Yeah that was a blast.
Oh I still have that's still up on YouTube. I
think there's I don't know, seventy thousand views or something
of that one.
Speaker 2: I probably not reach Penny of Residuals. So thank you
for tipping me off a note of that. Yeah, so
it was really that was the moment, you know, where
I came in and again, why do another documentary? There
are way too many in this space, and the pun
intended and I didn't go to that to the UFO
Congress thinking oh, I was going to, you know, go
out and do a documentary. It was just because i'd
done documentaries, I hadn't seen anything explored in the space
of what I normally do structurally wise, and because I
do independent films as well, I wanted to be very cinematic.
And so I looked at all the documentaries that have
been out there, and the one thing they all share
in common and succeed to a great degree is they're
from the human's perspective. And I think we're all kind
of curious why they're visiting us, what would that be?
How would we try and answer what their perspective is?
And so the title just popped up.
Speaker 1: I remember you were in touch with me when you're
kicking around titles. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I started in twenty eighteen doing interviews. Travis
Taylor and Nick Pope were the first ones that I did,
and then that became Sean Cahill and some other people
and Harvard professors, and then it just went on and on,
and I thought, well, I'm going to crank this out.
In nine months, it'll be fifteen interviews. I'll be done.
Ha ha ha, And I was given. I was giving
a fox crap because I had been one of the
many people that had consulted on his film, and I said, dude,
eight years to do this documentary. That's not sustainable. You
got to get it up there.
Speaker 1: And here are he listened to you? Obviously? Well yeah,
well if that was, now he's putting him out and
every every nine months or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's crushing it. Yes, I'm the one that's that's,
you know, bad example. I'm I'm doing it. So I
cursed myself, the hubrits of me. So anyway, it took
that long because it went from one feature to two
and then to three and Netflix wanted it, but they
wanted to to finish editing the other two and and
thanks to Leslie Kane and we can talk about that later,
it completely got reassembled and became something bigger, and I
didn't feel comfortable passing it over when I was when
each of these episodes was its own journey, and and anyway,
it ended up being four episodes and then I went okay,
hold on, what are we looking at here? And then
I had to kind of separate some that were too
far in one aspect of it, and you know, ones
that were a completely different story. And so right now
tomorrow Wednesday, January eighth, the Alien Perspective drops on Amazon
and Apple TV. And then around May part two, which
is a completely different vibe, drops and and so then
the other two episodes became separate movies. One is all
about experiencers and that's called The Experiencers, and now the
other one is a documentary on John Mack. And in
each of these episodes, I promise, I promised the viewers
that there's some mic drops in each project, each show
that that that I've not seen before and I'm hoping
that others haven't seen. And so the goal, the ultimate
goal here is to take audiences that are new to
the genre and be you know, it's kind of gateway.
So we start at NASA and then we you know,
migrate to the UH, to the similar a reality hypothesis
and learn are we living in the simulation? Who create
the simulation? And then it goes on from there and
it just branches out to more and more all the alternatives,
let's say, and there's a thread that's going throughout with
Kevin Kanuth. That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're kind of teasing the episode two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it wasn't by design. It just ended
up being that way. It made much more sense to
separate these projects.
Speaker 1: M yeah, yeah, I saw that that thought, Oh yeah,
that's going to make me want to watch the season two.
I don't want to give too much away, but I
mean it is, uh, it's basically I guess you could
talk about it a little bit. Materials we're talking about,
which is always a fascinating thing. But then I'm always
skeptical myself of any type of materials as well. So
at the same time, so you know, and you know
the conclusions for this, I don't, but you haven't even
shared that, you know, even with your buddy Martin.
Speaker 2: So I wish I did, but I had myself regressed
through hypnosis. Oh Si came out and gave me a
singing pantole. I haven't a clue how it ends.
Speaker 1: So it's going to get oh good good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you that. Yeah, there is material,
and you can see in the trailer it's in a
like a shoe box. Yeah, we're going to get the
final results of what this material is. And there's a
lot of great people who do analyze material, like Carrie Nolan. However,
I wanted to go to someone who is a pioneer
and extraterrestrial material. And what I mean by that is
someone who only studies asteroids and meteorites and metals. And
this guy, Uh, what's genius about him is he's discovered
how to drill down. Because the modern technology that we
have right now would only take you back so far
with regards to the origin or the date of how
long you could you could date something, so it would
be approximate, like it's within a few thousand years or
maybe a million years or so. He was able to
pinpoint it and and so we did a blind Pepsi test.
Literally it was it's the first time that I'm aware
of where someone's gone, and given them samples and said
take a look at it and let us know what
it is and do a full round. And then he
did his own round, a separate one with a separate test,
and and so we feel pretty confident about the conclusions.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, Gary Nolan is not a metal or gist,
he's a you know what I mean. He's it's wonderful,
he said Stanford. You know, he's well respected and all that.
So I was always wondering why he was getting involved
in that aspect of it. I do think his research
on the you know, the what I want to say,
the brain changes, you know, that he I don't know
exactly what you would call that, the all the altered
altercations of some parts of your brain when you're having
an encounter. And that's fascinating to me, you know, And
and I wonder how that holds up to scrutiny his work.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know that's ever changing and ever developing. So I'm interested.
He's always worth you know, checking into this guy. He's
at cal Tech, he was recruited. He's a you know,
professoral professor. He's he's yeah, he's a wonder kid, young guy, amazing.
So uh yeah, I think that's as much as I
can divulge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but no, this is uh, this is all fascinating.
And the other two let's see. I so I forgot
that you're doing a standalone and John mac and that,
you know, he's one of my favorite people in the
you know that's really looked at this topic seriously, you know,
I mean, just the wonderful way he handled the Ariel incident,
you know, the school children there, and just the persecution
that he had for you know, looking into this topic,
and how he was able to you know, rise above that,
you know. And so but anyway, he's such an interesting person.
And did you learn a lot when you were working
on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it's funny whenever you're working on a project, especially,
and I've done biographies on Billy the Kid, was he Bordon.
A lot of historical figures you start to at some
point empathize and get into as much as you can
get into their mindset of what they were going through,
just Throughsthmosi's not to the degree that of anything that's
you know, a transference of psyche, but it comes close.
And with John Mac, I would call Will Bouchet, who
is the head of Jimmy, which is a John E.
Mac Institute, who is the archivist there, and I would
say I would come up and I go, God damn it,
and he go what I'd say, I'm so upset that
I never got a chance to meet him, because I
have so many more questions. And so sometimes I would
have these questions and I would pour through all this
footage and I would get clues to the answers, and
so it was kind of backing into it. But you know,
he was an amazing mind. He was very childlike in
some ways. His curiosity, you know, it's a pioneer, and
he kind of he was an easy target. There was
a lot of envy. I mean, first of all, this
guy was in his day, wasn't Adonis. He's a good
looking guy. Oh yeah, Saltzer, Yeah, you know, and in
the seventies, Pulitzer Prize and what he was doing was
always revolutionary, and this was one topic that he thought, well,
I can come in and lick it. It's some psychosis
and I'll maybe I'll call it the Johnny mac syndrome.
And he ends up discovering that these people all suffering
from PTSD and so what that means is they have
clinical post traumatic stress syndrome and you can't fake that.
And he would cone through their past and he couldn't
find any other reason for this. Then when these abductions
started and when the post traumatic syndrome kicked in, so
you know, he thought he was going to be lauded
for this, and it turns out that he was. You know,
slowly Harvard was lame kindling around his feet, getting ready
to burn the witch, you know, and this is the nineties,
it's not that long.
Speaker 1: Ago, right, And I don't know if I must have
told you this, that I did some work with antiques,
helping a guy sell a collection. And he was also
he was a Harvard professor, and knew John Mack worked
with John Mack, loved John Mack. He said he was
a personal friend of his. And and you know, when
I started talking about the accident, for those of you
who don't, you know, there's conspiracies out there that you
know he was killed. But basically he was extremely tired.
He was in London, I believe it was, and forgot that,
you know, the left lane traffic, whatever it was. He
didn't look when he was crossing the street, got run
over by a truck.
Speaker 2: Basically, well, it was a taxi that I got run
over by. And it was an off taxi, Yeah, off
duty taxi driver who had been drinking. So that doesn't
sound like a sleeper cell who was activated. At this
point in his career, he had come up with passports
to the Cosmos, and he had already he had already
kind of had his big day and that was with abduction.
And so by the time that book came out, it
didn't have nearly as much fanfare at all, actually, and
so he was kind of winding down his career, so
it made no sense. So I think it's a you know,
it's kind of a disservice to a tribute, any kind
of you know. I mean people are going to do that, right, conspiracy. Yeah,
if I get a car, there's going to be five.
There's many people are say there's five other Dan Aliotos
who are killed that same day. You know, Sarahkana Dean
Alioto is. Isn't it a normal name?
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well the double ed short of you know
what we have today with social media and stuff like that,
there's conspiracy about no matter what it is, you know,
I mean I get sent these things constantly all the time,
and you know, you always have to look at the source,
of course. It's and it's that way especially with you know,
when you're looking anything to do with UFOs. There's so
many c GI UFO videos and AI create videos out
there now. And you know, I have people that know
I'm into the you know, UFO topic that are friends
and they'll send me some well what do you think
about this? And it's like, uh, No, that's you know,
that's that's not not real.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 4: I I am.
Speaker 2: Uh Dave Foley who's in the documentary as a friend
of mine, and he's someone who like I'll reach out
or we'll be talking and I'll say, yeah, I'm kind
of pulling away from the UFO space for a little bit.
I need a break.
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw that he hasn't run his last
podcast since June.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, podcast is doing well.
Speaker 1: No, he hasn't.
Speaker 3: He has not.
Speaker 1: He has not had a new podcast since June.
Speaker 2: Oh really, because I I just dragged him out on
a on a radio podcast tour.
Speaker 1: For this movie, but on his own really, yeah, him
and Tom, Yeah, with Tom. Really, that's what I saw.
You know, maybe I'm hallucinating or maybe something happened.
Speaker 5: I am not.
Speaker 1: I'm not in the feet any longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, d MT could be DMPT. But but for me,
I had pulled away and he said, hey, Dane, now
he's not Now, it's not the time to do that.
There's some interesting stuf upcoming. And then he's right, and
so I had to kind of, you know, come back
to it. But I think it's always good to take
a break and say all right, I need to cleanse
the palette and then come at it, you know, in
a hopefully a stronger way.
Speaker 1: I got June twenty seventh, is the last time you
had a podcast?
Speaker 2: Oh? Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I'll tell get you button Gear live on.
Speaker 1: Yeah you added him?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Great, good for you. You're canceled Martin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll see how that goes. Yeah, uh yeah, so yeah,
I mean he was doing such a great job. He
was getting guests that you know, uh, I've said many times,
I've been trying to get Alex Dietrich forever on this show.
She'd make a wonderful guest. But you know she then
I watched her. I watched her in some documentary. She
says that I don't want to be known as the
UFO girl, you know podcast UFO. You know, maybe that's it.
But she already said yes, and then she I haven't
been able to not return.
Speaker 2: Let me call her right now, hold on, step would
you do that?
Speaker 1: Ye, let's do this live? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it's interesting because she was interviewed and maybe
we heard the same podcast and she said that Fraber
said come on sixty minutes when you speak on sixty
minutes because she was reticon to do that because she
didn't want to be known. Like you said, he said,
once you do that, then the story's out there. They'll
always have it to be online. That's it. And so
she did it. But what it released was this this
kind of I think in her interest. I'm not speaking
for her in it and this discussion, and it turns
out that she's funny as hell. Yeah, and so she's
got real levity about it, and so she's she's contextualized
in the way that she can talk about it without
it becoming this intense thing or the scrutin and everything.
And so I you know, I'm excited about about her
kind of journey on this because everyone who comes out there,
it's it's going to be terrifying because you are trained
to keep secrets and everything, especial when you're in the
military and something like this. It's you know, I don't
think we could have done this before two thousand and
seventeenth December, right, it just wouldn't have happened. I mean now,
I mean I was able to get to people at
Harvard and Oxford because of that in.
Speaker 1: Part, that's right. Yeah, it really has opened up a
lot of doors the whole thing. Here's a question here
and we will get back to this. Can you talk
Thank you for this, Chris. Can you talk a bit
in general terms about the alien perspective, at least in
the sense of framing it and how you approached it
and before you before you answer, you know, that's one
thing you heard mitchu Kaku say about, you know, let's
look at it from the alien perspective. That must have
helped you, you know, choose the title as well. But
you know I've said many times in the show and that,
you know, we always think in human terms, and you know,
we have no idea how developing intelligence can have you know,
their thought maybe so foreign to us that we couldn't understand,
you know, but yet we you know, we kind of humanize,
you know, every every part of it. But anyway, there's
the question, and if you would like to answer and
address how he's his question here.
Speaker 2: Sure, Thanks for the question, Chris. So the gateway for
me was that to look at that, and the way
that I framed it was I would ask everyone that
I interviewed to take a moment and whether it was saying,
imagine that you're looking at a very primal tribe that's
out in the jungles and you're observing them, what would
you think of them? Would you have feelings of superiority?
Would you look at them and say, oh, let me
change them, let me help them when we interact with them?
How would you do that? And so with that frame
of mind, and knowing also that we are going to
be that we are going to eventually if we don't,
you know, decimate ourselves, we're going to get to a
place where we're able to actually travel the cosmos and
going maybe it's interdimensional wherever. But but what are we
going to do? Are we going to adhere to the
prime directive? Like in Star Trek, which, by the way,
every single episode they broke Yeah, yeah, And so it
became an exercise in trying to flex hypothesis about it.
And so the difference is that the caliber of people
who were opining on this were you know, doctor Nick
Bostrom again the creator of the simulated reality hypothesis at Oxford.
It was Michael Masters out of Montana Tech. It was
Mitchell Kalku. It was people like Jim Peniston, you know,
why is this? And Peniston has his own interesting take
on it. So even if it was an exercise, it
was still a way to approach this that hadn't been
done before, and you'll see in the first episode there's
some things to glean from that and framing it that way.
So it was all built into the theme of the
documentary and was also part of again the animation, which
we had to see it from their perspective.
Speaker 1: MM.
Speaker 2: It was actually a really nice shut of through through
the craft that Peniston is touching looking up at him,
and so based on what he said that when he
touched the craft would have felt like and what he
was getting. So yeah, I hope that answers your question question.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, and yes, I appreciate Chris that you put
that in caps. Anyone that has any questions please do
put them in caps so I don't I don't miss them.
And actually I'm going to say that we could take calls.
You know, sometimes you build calls, sometimes they don't. But
I will ask Chanelle producer. Yep, she said, give me
a second. She was listening, so she'll set up the
phone lines. But yeah, we could take calls, and you know,
people can ask you, you know, questions on the but
as far as where you traveled to film this. Where
are some of the places you went? I mean, I
remember when you came back to New England. We met
up here in the Boston area. Yes, Salem, I think
we're Salem actually right.
Speaker 2: The sequel, yeah, again, it just started out with fifteen
interviews and then it ended up being in England France
at Francis Space Program, which gets no press at all,
but they've had their own massive program and gone into space.
So we interviewed an astronaut who's also biologist who works
for this c NES, their space program, National Space Program.
And then let's see, there was an interview in Germany,
and then there was an interview in Canada. So yeah,
so those are the four countries. I feel like I'm
missing one.
Speaker 1: Plus you're doing a lot of this during COVID. I
remember you were having trouble trying to go somewhere. Was
it in Canada? Was that wor?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was going to interview Emily Trim that's right. Yeah,
unfortunately we lost her in the meantime. That's very sadly.
Just you know, someone's just asking the other day when
I was in the Twitter spaces with Darcy, they said
they saw the show I did on Chris you know
O'Brien when he passed away, and of course Chris and
then Emily was like the week after, and they asked
me if I was going to do something on that,
And one of the only interviews up online is when
I did with her in Randall Nickerson. So Randall's heartbroken,
you know, because he worked very closely with her and
he really was very protective of the kids from the
Ariel incident. But eventually, you know, I'll have Randall on
and we'll do a tribute to Emily.
Speaker 2: Oh that would be great. Yeah, these are very sensitive
people and they've gone on to do incredible things. And
then John McDuck, I have two of the students and yeah,
and so yeah, I can't get into.
Speaker 1: What we on earthed, but is Francis one of those?
I remember you were trying to connect with Francis h
Samuda back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was it was very much. Yeah, I
just felt I felt bad Randall. You know, these were
these became his family, you know, all the students, and
he kept in contact with them and very protective and
yeah that's yeah, breaks your.
Speaker 1: Heart, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So the phone lines are
open if anyone would like to call in. That phone
number is eight five five four seven two five four
eight three. That's the show number. If anyone would like to,
I would like to call in. So let's see you
know what I want to talk about. We're going to
take just this little break. I want you to it's
about I think it's about four minutes. I don't know
if I need to run the whole thing. But do
you want to talk about where you sent me? We
went through this weird drone flap. I think it's still
going on. I think I saw somewhere in Scandinavia there's
all of a sudden a bunch of drones recently. I
can't remember exactly where, but this is it's still kind
of ongoing. But it was a strange flap. And so
set this up if you would this video that you said.
Speaker 2: Sure, anytime I can use the word flap, I'm there for.
So November twenty ninth of this year, my girlfriend and
I are looking on the deck and I see drones
out there. In fact, I see seven of them. It's
off my deck in the distance about maybe a mile,
and I'm I'm looking at them, and I'm a filmmaker,
so I use drums and usually when you're doing a production,
because I'm in Los Angeles, it's like, oh, someone shooting
a movie. But there's seven of them. That doesn't make sense.
You don't need seven, you just need one maybe two.
And they're moving around radically and almost kind of crisscrossing
each other. But you know, in my assessment, my knowledge
of drones and using them at night and everything, you know,
these are drones. And so I just start videotaping them.
And then the colors are green, blue, and red, and
then occasionally they will flash into a ball, like a
light ball, and it's like the light beaming out, emanating,
and then it returns back to its shape and continues going.
So I videotaped does something that's a prosaic thing. It's
just maybe there's a light on it or something, and
I forget about it. And then December fifteenth comes around
and the Jersey drones happen. And it takes me like
a few days to recall that that moment I went
back and I looked at it, I'm like, Okay, Jesus,
this is the same exact thing. So I tease you
and I send it to you. You know, what do
you think of this and then my daughter put it
on TikTok, broke it up into a few clips to
you know, to get reactions of this, not saying what
it was one way or another, and you can actually
see it, which is at Captured Pictures Official and it's
there and it kind of blew up when of them
was like twenty eight thousand views. And I also quit
clips from behind the scenes of the making of the documentary.
But if you look at this, it's really really bizarre.
It's frustrating. I was just talking to to Bryce is
Abel about this and a few others, and the thing
that's frustrated about it is that the government's reasons for
this is pretty pretty weak. You know. They're saying, well,
it's it's not us, and kind of like they're not
worried about it. Yeah, I'm worried because I've been hearing
reports that other drones that have tried to go up
to check out have been turned off they die. Yeah, yeah,
so that's kind of concerned.
Speaker 1: What do they say? This is the funny thing and
the irony of it all. They say, you know, nothing
to worry about, but we don't know what they are,
you know, and how could you say both of those together,
that's a.
Speaker 2: Contradiction for sure. Yeah. Yeah, so I want an answer
to and if you don't, I don't know. I mean,
all the theories that I've been hearing, like the balloon
that you saw from China that got shut down, perfect example,
those keep up going on. I'm sure it's continuing to
go on. And I'm sure that we do the same thing.
And so if we spotlight this maybe too much, maybe
there is a cause to say, yeah, there it is
that we also have drones in other countries, but the
behavior is just really strange. I mean, as an example,
for me to fly my single drone, I had to
schedule a time because originally the shooting day happened when
there was a game at Dodger Stadium and they said
you can't be within five miles of this. Wow, so
I had, you know, So there is regulations and stuff,
and to see all of these drones, it's just, uh,
it's it's disconcerting it and that they're over Langley and
other places. And what about the drone flap that happened way.
Speaker 1: Back years ago in Colorado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's I don't know, I'm not gonna you
know again, if these, if they are EXTRATERRESTI does then't
want to take us out. They can do that any moment.
Speaker 4: You know it.
Speaker 2: One can easily go, oh, it's a reconn. It's a recon.
It's happening right now.
Speaker 1: I connected to the guy that wrote a lot about
the drones in Colorado, and I asked him if you
thought there was a connection. His opinion is no, I
don't know. I can't remember what his reasoning was, but
he didn't think there was any connection. But anyway, here,
I'm going to play this again. I don't know if
I'm gonna play all four minutes, but we'll at least
play part of it here we go.
Speaker 5: Sure you just went, okay, so there's a shipbot of
drowns here. There's one, two, three, four, five, six seven.
Speaker 2: Are you figured out.
Speaker 5: What is going on?
Speaker 2: WHOA like those two are gonna each other?
Speaker 5: That one just got really bright. Those who gotta be
helicopters if they're not drowns or helicopters, now like the
Bad Buck.
Speaker 1: Did I hear there was one of them you think
was a helicopter?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at that point I'm going through my rolodex
of prosaic explanations, and I'm going helicopter, It's got to
be a helicopter, and it probably was. I mean, it
absolutely is a possibility, and same with the drones. But
drones don't usually have that light and get super bright
and so and some of the people made comments on
TikTok that well it's you know, planes coming in and
I'm like, yeah, no, lax is definitely to the left
of me. And these aren't going at a study of
decline going down. These are kind of circling and so yeah,
I mean again, and I'm I always like to kind
of present evidence and say, hey, what do you guys think,
because we're all trying to sort this out together, right,
and so you know, I'm not going to have the answers.
What I'm going to bring to it is is, you know,
my experience working with that technology shooting out of helicopters
as well. But there was just too many of them.
That was that was that was the weirdness, That was
the high strangeness that should not have happened. I've never
seen that before and i haven't seen it after.
Speaker 1: Wow, And so that was you said. This was back
in November.
Speaker 2: November twenty ninth, at around eight thirty.
Speaker 1: So that's uh. I know that the drones started sometime
in November. They are seen in other places, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I only heard about the Jersey ones in December.
Speaker 1: No, No, they started in November. I'm not sure exactly where,
but that's when people started reporting a lot of unusual
you know, drone sightings, and then you know they were
reported all over the world, you know, in Pine Gap
in Australia, in Germany and bases there in England, and
looks like, let's see, do we have a call, Yeah,
we have a call. We're going to bring in a
caller here and let's say hi to Gabriella from Palm Beach.
Speaker 6: How are you, hey, Gabriella Mine, thank you, Hello, Hello,
mister host and guest mister Dean Aliotto. Chubby movie on
Amazon Prime called The Portal. I wonder if that's based
on any true facts, and tell us what you can
about that movie and was it fun to direct? I
had a blast my answer off the air. Thank you
for the.
Speaker 1: Show, Thank you, Gabriella, thank you so Yeah.
Speaker 2: Portal was a fun project. Peter Duke wrote the script
and it's funny because I did the McPherson. Take. Sometimes
I'll get scripts that are like kind of quasi found
footed esque, and so this had an element to that.
But it yeah, it was. It was great. We shot
it in a very short amount of time and used
a drone for that one as well. That was about
ghost hunters who are their competing ghost hunters. It's a
horror comedy, supernatural comedy. And they they get their competition's
location for this haunted house and they get the jump
on it and they go to film there and then
you know, weird shit happens, of course, And so she asked,
was there anything that was affected? It was just a
fun movie, a supernatural thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We folded in some details as much we can with
the supernatural, but it wasn't really UFO related. How what
year was that it came out in twenty nineteen?
Speaker 1: I want to say, oh, Jess, I didn't even know
we knew each other, but I don't remember actually when
that came out. That's really I'm hurt. I know you
must be. Yeah, I tend to do that. Sorry. No, So, yeah,
after you get through this batch, we've got the experiences
you have, you know, the part two here and and
John Mack. You can explore other things as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to explore the knitting. I'm gonna explore
knitting a whole documentary, maybe a three part series on knitting.
Speaker 1: Wow. That's yeah, that should be fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I keep saying I'm not going to do anymore,
you know, this is it and and this is what
I have to say on this, But then I keep
uncovering certain things that I go, oh, geez, this is
this would be, this should be, this should come out.
People should know about this. But yeah, I mean, I'm
probably gonna do another feature film and again kind of
cleanse a palette and come back. And I'm also curious other,
you know, films like James Fox's The Program came out.
There's a couple other ones that are coming out, and
so I'm always keen to watch those and see and
make sure that I'm not overlapping or doing what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Well. I think, you know, the program was a good
idea to really look at the Washington d C. Take
you know, what's going on there. I think that was
I think that's very important, and you know, I mean
it's you would think that some other countries, in some
sort of way may follow suit a little bit, but
I haven't really heard of anything, have you.
Speaker 2: Of the program or as far as I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, hearings. We're having these hearings and some are
just asked in chat earlier if we if we had
any idea when the next one would be. And I
have no idea, but I mean for a government to
take it as sterious as the US has recently, I
think is pretty fast.
Speaker 2: You already have. I mean in France they came out
years ago, Canada and yeah, so I feel like they don't.
They're more open to it, whereas we've had to fight
through some dogma and and cynicism to get to the
place that we're at. And it wasn't until again, until
the Navy said, yes, it's not us, it's not that
our foe, it's something else that all of a sudden
was like, okay, now it's on the table of conversation.
But what's interesting again is the fact that you've kind
of both sides of the aisle talking to each other saying,
my esteemable colleague, congressman this or.
Speaker 1: That that's right.
Speaker 2: As Democrat. That is amazing that the only thing that
they're coming together on is UAPs. What does that say?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, one of the very rare times. And
that was really interesting to be in the room both
times during the hearing and seeing that, you know, right
right in front of you where you know, two different
people across the aisle where not whether they weren't arguing
with each other, which was really nice. And let's see,
someone was asking if you were really saying knitting that
was actually a joke. Yes, you can never take card hearing.
Speaker 2: Hard, asked, I take my work very serious. I did
not take myself serious.
Speaker 1: So however, I do it anyway you might do it. Yeah,
but boy, I can't believe how fast this hour has
been flying flying by. So anyone would like to make
a call, we have we can take one more call
if anyone is up for that. The number is eight
five five four seven two five four eight three. I'm
going to pull that off off the board here soon.
Actually we If you're going to call, you better call
right now because we only have seven minutes left on
kg R A. And yeah, so I hope this goes
really well for you, Dean. You know, I mean you, uh,
you have a good publicist.
Speaker 4: I know that.
Speaker 1: And just an aggressive one. Very good. So I'm glad,
glad this is working on. I know you had everyone
in the film business has had a hard time, you know,
with getting the product out there and being able to
trust what's going to happen after ten ninety one? Is
that what was the name? You know there were some issues?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no I have ever associated with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh is that a caller from Montreal?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, let's let's talk to Thank you for
catching that, Andrew, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hi, Mark and Hydean, Hey Andrew. Yeah, I'm you guys
are aware. Stephen Bassett of the New Paradigm Institute started
from the call the Hollywood the Schools are alliance, and
I think a couple of months gets on that. Darcy Ware,
Mark Antonio, and David Hooley. I'm just curious me, like,
are you very encouraged that this thing will kind of
encourage the sclosure? Because I'm kind of the eye it.
It's good that Hollywood may create content to help disclosure,
or also worry that they could be a tool of
the pedagogue or the government to create disinformation. So I
don't know what you think of the Holly disclosure licensed
by Yes.
Speaker 2: Sure, let me vouch for Darcy, Paul Heinek, Dave Foley,
and I think there was someone else that you mentioned.
These are very reputable people. I just had lunch with
Foley and he's always questioning, always like me, kicking the
tires of the genre. No one is being coll opted.
The government's able to do that themselves. There's enough Richard
doughties out there. Sure you know, Hollywood doesn't need to
be recruited for that. We're making our own movies, whether
it's evil aliens or good aliens. Though Spielberg is doing
a big event uf A movie, which I'm super stoked about.
So yeah, am I encouraged? It depends on what your
definition of disclosure is, right, because the there's the disclosure
of the government come out and saying that that, yes,
aliens are real or UFOs are real. Well, they've pretty
much done that. So what else do you want to see?
The tailpipe of a UFO slept on the congressional hearing table.
I do that would be nice. Maybe an alien body
that would that would certainly be a groundbreaking. But for
a lot of us that already believe in it, it's
already disclosures kind of already happen, and for experiencers, it's
happened on a one by one basis, whether they're chosen
or not. And so I think I would like to
have kind of that that evidence with regards to the
you know, disclosure of the aliens coming, that's a whole
other you know, conversation and maybe a whole their documentary. However,
we do look into that certainly. But yeah, I mean
those are kind of exciting times that you know that
this is being taken serious to this level. So I
kind of feel like we got the the the snacks
and the appetizers and now we might be moving into
the entree with this phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for the call, Andrew. I appreciate it.
We have to wrap it up, so thanks so much.
So where can someone catch your film The Alien Perspective?
Apple TV and Amazon, Apple.
Speaker 2: TV and Amazon and it drops tomorrow or midnight maybe tonight,
but yes, The Alien Perspective excellent.
Speaker 1: Well, Dean, as always a great pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you, brother, appreciate it all right,
and we'll.
Speaker 1: Be in touch talk soon, all right, everyone, So don't
forget next week we are going to be live in
studio at James Fox Studio actually in of Vermont and
check that out. The following week have Ryan Graves, so
we have a good twenty twenty five starting here. Thank
you so much everyone, and remember to keep your eyes
to the sky.