Speaker 1: Welcome Friends Podcast podcasting time show Jack again, Bryan, they're
Speaker 1: talking to black.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three hundred and eleven,
Speaker 2: brought to you by Mister Boy Productions. I'm Zachiysan. I'm
Speaker 2: here with Brian Hall, and it is the last day
Speaker 2: of February.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wow, yeah, no Leapier.
Speaker 2: For us, that's right, not this year, not a one
Speaker 2: in four proposition this time. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you have friends that were born on Leapier?
Speaker 2: I I'm sure I do, And nobody comes to mind
Speaker 2: off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I was growing up, one of my best friends
Speaker 3: had a leap your birthday, and so, you know, as
Speaker 3: was our way, we'd be like you're only two, you know,
Speaker 3: like you're only threes. Yeah, it was really funny. It
Speaker 3: holds up as a joke.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's quality comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's timeless.
Speaker 2: How you doing you know, it's it's uh, it's nice.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we're we're recording on a on
Speaker 2: a Friday morning, So definitely I'm feeling a little bit
Speaker 2: of the relaxation of the week coming to a close.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, wait, actually that's the opposite of what I
Speaker 3: would expect you to say. I mean, are you feeling
Speaker 3: like the weekend will offer some relaxation or is that
Speaker 3: when things get busy?
Speaker 2: Well, for me, I make it a point to to
Speaker 2: have as little to do on the weekends as possible.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So that's I'm because because I'm I'm hustling all week
Speaker 2: and I really I just need I need my I
Speaker 2: need my me time. Oh yeah, on the weekend. So
Speaker 2: so I'm kind of I'm I'm in the ramp down period.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm making an active effort to to like keep
Speaker 2: just the news of the world to one side. Like I'm, I'm,
Speaker 2: I have a feeling this is something many of our
Speaker 2: listeners are trying to figure out. How to balance knowing
Speaker 2: everything that's going on with knowing everything that's going on.
Speaker 3: It's hard when so much news makes your body tighten, Yes,
Speaker 3: because you're like, how much more tightening can my body do?
Speaker 3: So true.
Speaker 2: So one thing I've been doing a lot of is
Speaker 2: I've made it a point that like when I'm in
Speaker 2: the car in the morning, I will I will put
Speaker 2: on some news and just get a sense of what's
Speaker 2: going on, and then that is my news for the day.
Speaker 3: You know, I would say maybe something similar, but I
Speaker 3: mean I'll still click on articles and whatnot. But something
Speaker 3: I've really enjoyed is I subscribe to the Washington Post. Sure,
Speaker 3: they have something called the Seven, okay, and so in
Speaker 3: the morning they'll shoot out an email that will have
Speaker 3: seven major news stories with bullet points and there's links
Speaker 3: if you want to go deeper. But it gives you
Speaker 3: an idea, like an overview of the major stories of
Speaker 3: them moments. And I've really found that to be a
Speaker 3: good way to sort of start the day, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of have a general idea of what's going on,
Speaker 3: and then if I'm want to learn more and then
Speaker 3: you got can dig in.
Speaker 2: I literally, just just two days ago canceled my subscription
Speaker 2: to the Post.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And if I'm being honest, it was a very difficult
Speaker 2: decision because I'm somebody I believe in the importance of journalism.
Speaker 2: I believe that if you want news, you have to
Speaker 2: pay for it. I'm I'm I'm a big supporter of like,
Speaker 2: you got to pay for the news, yep. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know, for those listening just as a stickpin in time,
Speaker 2: you know, Jeff Bezos, who owns the the who owns
Speaker 2: the Post?
Speaker 3: He he he went full Lex Luthor. Heel, turn, you
Speaker 3: got ahead of me because I was gonna say, well, see,
Speaker 3: you've always been a superman guy. I'm kind of a
Speaker 3: Lex Luthor guy. It's literally like like, this is like
Speaker 3: if Lex buys.
Speaker 2: The planet, the Daily Planet, that is, you know. And
Speaker 2: so he basically put out this edict that from now
Speaker 2: on the editorial page of the op ed section of
Speaker 2: the Post will only cover personal liberty and free markets.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And I'm like, so the free thought section
Speaker 3: of the newspaper, now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is my thoughts only, you know? And I literally
Speaker 2: I was like, that could not be more super villainy
Speaker 2: if he was brandishing a shard of kryptonite while putting
Speaker 2: that memo out. You know, yes, what else do I
Speaker 2: do if you don't laugh your cry? I've been a
Speaker 2: subscriber to the Post for literally decades. At this point,
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: You know, well, I do want to mention if anyone
Speaker 3: is interested. I'm not judging, no, no, no, I'm just kidding. Sorry, no,
Speaker 3: but I was going to say, you don't have to
Speaker 3: subscribe for that, And I actually I don't subscribe to it.
Speaker 3: And by the way, this isn't me like backpedaling, because
Speaker 3: but I promise I was not trying to put you
Speaker 3: in an awkward But if anyone found that format intriguing,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are other places that do it too.
Speaker 3: It doesn't but you don't actually have to subscribe just
Speaker 3: to get those bullet points of the major news stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's good. Yeah, and it's by the way,
Speaker 2: I should say the news operation at the Post that
Speaker 2: the journalists are doing amazing things. Yeah, trying really hard
Speaker 2: under very difficult circumstances. But this gets to something.
Speaker 3: Broader, which is like maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: You know, just like conglomerates and billionaires owning all the
Speaker 2: news is not a great idea, I know.
Speaker 3: I mean it's novel thought, right, Like, let's not have
Speaker 3: people whose interests involve billions of dollars, yeah, in charge
Speaker 3: of the information we receive.
Speaker 2: So I was really wrestling with this earlier this week
Speaker 2: because I was reading about how I don't know if
Speaker 2: you heard about this, but you know, Donald Trump, as
Speaker 2: a candidate before you even became president, was suing sixty minutes, yes, right,
Speaker 2: because he alleged that he alleged election interference because they
Speaker 2: interviewed Kamala Harris and they edited the interview in order
Speaker 2: to fit in, you know, the time slot, which like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how it works. That's that's how interviews work. You
Speaker 2: edit them. That's I do interviews for the print for
Speaker 2: the newspaper all the time. That's just how it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you see it often in print.
Speaker 3: We'll say condensed for clarity and you know whatever exactly.
Speaker 3: That's just that's just common practice.
Speaker 2: And and and by the way, Donald Trump knows it's
Speaker 2: common practice.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But sixty Minutes, which is owned by CBS, which is
Speaker 2: part of Paramount Corporation, is about to be acquired by
Speaker 2: sky Dance, and so that acquisition requires, you know, a
Speaker 2: federal approval, and so in order to grease the skids
Speaker 2: for that acquisition, CBS will likely settle the lawsuit, even
Speaker 2: though it's a joke lawsuit to the two whatever, it
Speaker 2: is twenty five million, So it's literally it's like a
Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars bribe. Wow, right, And this is
Speaker 2: not conspiracy talk, Yeah, this is just what's happening. And
Speaker 2: my point is, like, in a broader sense, this is
Speaker 2: not good. It's just not good because the precedent it
Speaker 2: sets is horrific. It diminishes the value of actual journalism,
Speaker 2: and it diminishes their ability to actually hold power to
Speaker 2: account if powers like actually don't hold power to account,
Speaker 2: right you know? Yeah, so I don't know. That's where
Speaker 2: we're at, man, I know, I know. Anyway, So the
Speaker 2: point I was making way way earlier was I've been
Speaker 2: diminishing my news intake, and to make up for that,
Speaker 2: I've been listening to more audio books.
Speaker 3: No, what are you listening to?
Speaker 2: Well, so I'm currently listening to a book that I
Speaker 2: think our listeners would find interesting. And it's called Box
Speaker 2: Office Poison. Oh yes, you sent me a link to this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you would. I think you would find it really enjoyable.
Speaker 2: And basically this is a book by Tim Robi and
Speaker 2: it's called Hollywood's Story in a Century of Flops. So yeah,
Speaker 2: crazy right, Yeah, And so you've got essentially going from
Speaker 2: from nineteen sixteen to twenty nineteen, that's the and so
Speaker 2: not every single flop ever, obviously, but certain key flops
Speaker 2: and what they said about Hollywood at that moment.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating. I like that because I would like to
Speaker 3: learn about a flop in a time that I know
Speaker 3: nothing about. Because you can see, you know, probably things
Speaker 3: that feel familiar. It also teaches something about the era. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for example, the very first chapter is about a
Speaker 2: movie called Intolerance, which was directed by d. W. Griffith.
Speaker 2: You know, you know Griffith, right, heeded Birth of a Nation.
Speaker 2: So after doing Birth of a Nation, which is just
Speaker 2: a horrifically racist, awful movie, he tried to be like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not a racist, and he made a movie that's
Speaker 2: equally offensive for different reasons. And then we've got another
Speaker 2: chapter about Dune, the nineteen eighty four Dune.
Speaker 3: Ah nice.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, there's a chapter about the Magnificent Embersin's no. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well I have to get it exactly. There was actually
Speaker 2: the couple ones. Actually there was. There was one chapter
Speaker 2: about the movie super Nova, which it's it's it was
Speaker 2: directed by Walter Hill. I think it ended up as
Speaker 2: like an Alan Smithy situation. I think, okay, And I
Speaker 2: remember watching that in the theater back in two thousand
Speaker 2: with Paul.
Speaker 3: Wow two thousand, I was thinking this was this some
Speaker 3: eighties movie I missed or.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, yeah, this is more relatively more recent than that.
Speaker 2: And it's a total catastrophe. But what's hilarious. It's like
Speaker 2: the sci fi thing, shades of of you know, Event
Speaker 2: Horizon and kind of but way way worse. And and
Speaker 2: you've got a pretty decent cast, right, Angela Bassett, James Spader,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's a total mess. And so sometimes
Speaker 2: you watch these things and you're like, God, this is
Speaker 2: the story behind how they made it is almost more interesting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sure, that's this.
Speaker 2: This is actually this one is kind of funny. There's
Speaker 2: this amazing So it's set in space and there's like
Speaker 2: a zero gravity love scene okay with Peter Faschinelle and
Speaker 2: Robin Tunney, Okay, and they're like floating and doing it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: now wild. So the movie gets shot and it's done,
Speaker 2: and then at some point MGM brought in Francis Coppola
Speaker 2: to try to recut it.
Speaker 3: Huh okay, And so.
Speaker 2: They're trying to recut it, and they're trying to so
Speaker 2: I guess the Spader character and the Angela Basset character.
Speaker 2: Bear in mind, I've seen this movie. I saw it
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3: I do not.
Speaker 2: Remember what it's about. Sure, it's just vapor. But anyway,
Speaker 2: the Spader character angel bass they have a they have
Speaker 2: some kind of a romance, and so as they're cutting
Speaker 2: the movie together, they're trying to highlight the romance between them,
Speaker 2: but there's no footage. So what they did was they
Speaker 2: took this amazing brand. They took the footage from the
Speaker 2: Robin Tunny Peter Faschinelli love scene.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they digitally.
Speaker 2: Darkened Robin Tunny and intercut shots of Angela Bassett's face
Speaker 2: to make us think it's the same sex scene. But
Speaker 2: once it's like, it's the darker version.
Speaker 3: All right, let's skin tone aside. Let's put that on
Speaker 3: the table for a second more. I mean, does their
Speaker 3: hair even look similar?
Speaker 2: No, what they did, it's just like certain shots that
Speaker 2: avoid her face and then you just intercut like close
Speaker 2: ups of Angela Bassett and James Spader.
Speaker 3: I guess part of it. Why I'm even thinking that
Speaker 3: is in my mind I always picture Robin Tuny with
Speaker 3: short hair. I don't know why. The movies I've seen
Speaker 3: her in.
Speaker 2: Yeah no and in this also yeah yeah, So they
Speaker 2: just like you don't see her face, I.
Speaker 3: See, I see. Uh, Well, I gotta google that now
Speaker 3: I have to know. So wait, so they did is
Speaker 3: that with existing footage of Angela Bassett? Like they didn't
Speaker 3: bring her in for reshoots just.
Speaker 2: No, they just like, you know, probably ends in whatever
Speaker 2: of her face.
Speaker 3: Like so she it's like her eating a meal and
Speaker 3: she's like, hmm, that's good, and they're like, oh, for
Speaker 3: use that. Use that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose I'm picturing the editors here just
Speaker 2: trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good, you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever had that come to
Speaker 3: my mind to say that, I'm really impressed. Secondly, I
Speaker 3: didn't make it up. No, No, I know, I'm just
Speaker 3: I have to vocalize how pressed I am.
Speaker 2: But so that that by itself was a fascinating like chapter.
Speaker 3: See, that's this is the stuff obviously doing this show.
Speaker 3: People know we love, like we really love not just
Speaker 3: movies but filmmaking and stories like this. I mean, I
Speaker 3: just yeah, gobble that stuff up.
Speaker 2: So there there's another chapter as it happens. And this
Speaker 2: is relevant because we were just talking about John mctiernan's
Speaker 2: chapter about.
Speaker 3: Roller Ball, which I know was a notorious flop but
Speaker 3: I don't know why. I've never even seen it, to
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 2: Well, you are not alone, we know that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a weird one, right because because that one it it
Speaker 2: effectively killed John mccernan's career right.
Speaker 3: In a couple of ways, right. I mean there was
Speaker 3: the film not performing, But wasn't that the movie where
Speaker 3: he was wired tapping a producer on the film.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And I got in trouble for that. I think I
Speaker 3: don't even know if he got in much trouble for that,
Speaker 3: but it was that he lied.
Speaker 2: Right, he lied about it? Yeah. Yeah, so that's all, like,
Speaker 2: you know, okay, and it really I mean, when you
Speaker 2: think about it, what kind of a fifty megaton bomb
Speaker 2: must a movie be to kill the career of the
Speaker 2: guy who made Diehard and Predator?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Thomas Crown, Like I mean, he's he's made
Speaker 3: some bona fide hits. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there's the whole thing that gets into that, and
Speaker 2: and it is fascinating because the the I haven't watched
Speaker 2: the remake of Rollerball since it came out, but I've
Speaker 2: seen the the James con one relatively recently, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is a good movie. Hmmm, Like it's a legitimately
Speaker 2: good movie. It's not cheesy, it's it's pretty good. It's
Speaker 2: got something to say, it has a point of view,
Speaker 2: you know, And so to take whatever that movie had
Speaker 2: going for and just turn it into this probably the
Speaker 2: most two thousand movie you could ever make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can kind of picture it in my mind.
Speaker 3: It has llll cool j right, and Chris Kleine and Chris.
Speaker 2: Klein in the James conrole. Right there, you got a problem, right, right,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing with him. He gets dumped
Speaker 3: on a lot, but I think he was cast badly
Speaker 3: a lot. That's very good at what he does.
Speaker 2: Well, well, that's the thing, right, I mean his his
Speaker 2: uh uh, his American Pie character.
Speaker 3: Notwithstanding election, he was he was very good just friends,
Speaker 3: you know, he's good in those Yeah. Well, I I
Speaker 3: think I think, Wow, I didn't realize we were going
Speaker 3: to be like the defending Chris Kling. Yeah, he seemed
Speaker 3: just from election.
Speaker 2: He seems like a a perfectly cromulent personality, right, just
Speaker 2: just a nice guy.
Speaker 3: He seems like a nice guy.
Speaker 2: And that, to me is the problem, at least from
Speaker 2: the two that come to mind where they're trying to
Speaker 2: have him buck buck his persona which.
Speaker 3: Is Rollerball and and that.
Speaker 2: Street Fighter movie. It's like, well, he's not like a badass. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly right, and so why are you trying to force
Speaker 2: him into that? And then yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 2: he's done lately, but that movie, I mean, it pretty
Speaker 2: much destroyed everybody's career, you know.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, and Cis came a call into llll cool
Speaker 3: J and he's like yes and jumped on that train
Speaker 3: car and rode away.
Speaker 2: When a CBS procedural knocks onder your door, you damn
Speaker 2: sure better better answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ll cool J.
Speaker 2: And Chris O'Donnell both man.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you they're sitting there every day. Every day
Speaker 3: they open.
Speaker 2: Their mailbox and there's a little residual check for fourteen
Speaker 2: years of NCIS Los Angeles or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Oh man, should be right.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. So, so I was recommended this
Speaker 2: book by uh, shoot, you know what. I wish I
Speaker 2: could remember the person who recommended to me, but but
Speaker 2: it was a good recommendation. I've really enjoyed listening to it.
Speaker 2: And the great thing is each chapter is about a movie,
Speaker 2: but you listen to it all and you're getting a story,
Speaker 2: right because because it's all contextualized. So, for example, you
Speaker 2: talk about speed Racer and it's not just oh and
Speaker 2: speed Racer came out it sucked or whatever, or it flopped.
Speaker 2: It's like that year this movie was a big hit,
Speaker 2: and you know, so it's giving you the moment that
Speaker 2: the movie emerged into.
Speaker 3: Right, right, that's an interesting one too. By the way.
Speaker 3: I know it has its fans, Yeah, people that think
Speaker 3: it was misunderstood and love it, and it's made me
Speaker 3: want to go back and rewatch it, but I just
Speaker 3: never am in the mood or something. You know.
Speaker 2: I just rewatched it recently, and just for that reason
Speaker 2: because exactly what we're saying. I mean, there are people
Speaker 2: who are very much on board with with what it's offering.
Speaker 2: And I always say about speed Racer, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: I appreciate that it's doing some kind of kind of
Speaker 2: off the wall. It's just on a frequency that is
Speaker 2: not playing for me.
Speaker 3: Mmm, sure, right.
Speaker 2: I think I think I applaud the watchousekis for for
Speaker 2: being like, hey, we're just gonna we're gonna go wild
Speaker 2: with Warner Brothers money. Yeah, you know, you do that
Speaker 2: enough and eventually Warner Brothers is gonna stop giving you
Speaker 2: its money. Which is it seems to have happened.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, interesting, Okay, Okay, well maybe I want then,
Speaker 3: So unless everyone wants to write in and persuade.
Speaker 2: Me, oh, I know, there's plenty of very dedicated fans
Speaker 2: of that movie out there, so it does know. But
Speaker 2: but like I said, if anybody's interested, the book is
Speaker 2: called Box Office Poison, Hollywood Story in a Century of flops,
Speaker 2: and and it is very very it's entertaining and informative,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: And you say you're doing the audiobook, you enjoy the
Speaker 3: the narrator good narration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always a you know, sometimes you got a
Speaker 2: good book with bad narration, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I've mentioned this before, and not that it
Speaker 3: was bad, but I many many years ago, I tried
Speaker 3: to do to Kill a Mockingbird through an audio boo.
Speaker 3: Just I wanted to revisit it, but I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll do it while I'm doing things. And the woman
Speaker 3: it was read by this really old woman, and she
Speaker 3: was talking very slowly even when I sped it up,
Speaker 3: and it just I didn't finish it actually I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, what's screwed this? I'm just gonna read it.
Speaker 2: Well, they got you to read, so that's something that's true.
Speaker 2: I remember there was a there was a this is
Speaker 2: not exactly an audiobook, but it was like an animated
Speaker 2: comic of Watchmen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that right.
Speaker 2: And it was like one person doing all the voices
Speaker 2: and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was like an.
Speaker 3: Audiobook and I just I was like, I can't take
Speaker 3: this seriously, you know. You know that happened to me
Speaker 3: when I did the audiobook for eleven twenty two sixty three,
Speaker 3: the Stephen King Story, which was sure, sure, by the way,
Speaker 3: I adored someday I would love to sit down and
Speaker 3: read it, but it's just so damn big. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yes, you had that as man narrating it,
Speaker 3: and it's a a love story, so it'll be like
Speaker 3: I love you, Josie, I love you too, Brant, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm like that drives men. Yeah, It's like I
Speaker 3: could tell it like didn't work for me by a
Speaker 3: couple of degrees, even though I did love it overall,
Speaker 3: where I was like, I don't know, maybe just tire
Speaker 3: like a woman too, you know, like you know what
Speaker 3: that that you know what that reminds me.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're doing like a total tangent here, but that
Speaker 2: reminds me of the very first audiobook I ever read
Speaker 2: or heard, excuse me, was Roddy McDowell reading The Batman
Speaker 2: eighty nine novelization.
Speaker 3: Wow, what a get right.
Speaker 2: Back in eighty nine, you know, and I just remember, uh,
Speaker 2: it's the scene where you know, you've got the the
Speaker 2: Harvey Dent press conference, you.
Speaker 3: Know, uh huh. And then and then Alicia looked at
Speaker 3: Jack pretty tough talk about Carl.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, to this day, I remember what
Speaker 2: that sounds.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, did he do his Nicholson?
Speaker 3: I didn't ask.
Speaker 2: I'm glad he didn't. Actually, yeah, that could have gone.
Speaker 2: He did a joker. That was what I realized in hindsight.
Speaker 2: His joker was his mad header, because he was the
Speaker 2: mad hacker in the series.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know I was wondering, Yeah, if you went
Speaker 3: a little more Caesar Romero or something, he went a
Speaker 3: little nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah he got nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, come on, that's great.
Speaker 2: Anyway, what have you seen lately, Brian?
Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of things. I'll talk about two things,
Speaker 3: then one thing we both saw, so we can talk
Speaker 3: about that. But I saw a movie that I have
Speaker 3: not heard a lot about called My Dead Friend Zoe.
Speaker 2: Yes, have you heard of this?
Speaker 3: I've heard of it, Okay, So apparently it comes out today.
Speaker 3: It is a smaller film, but it is from Universal,
Speaker 3: and it's a story about an arm vet who served
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan who comes home and has to take care
Speaker 3: of her grandfather played by Ed Harris, and his health
Speaker 3: is declining, and all the while, she's basically hanging out
Speaker 3: with the ghost of her best friend who she was
Speaker 3: stationed with in Afghanistan. And so and the ghost is
Speaker 3: a real sort of sarcastic, wise cracking sort of force
Speaker 3: that drives our hero crazy a little bit. And it's
Speaker 3: interesting because it's it's basically a dark comedy, like a
Speaker 3: dramedy ghost story about PTSD. And it's funny because I
Speaker 3: really was intrigued by the premise. And I'll have to
Speaker 3: be honest, like when I started it, I wasn't quite
Speaker 3: sure what to make of the movie. At first. It
Speaker 3: begins like a little slower paced, and I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: all the comedy was landing. But you know, I decided,
Speaker 3: sorry I should say I saw this as a screener
Speaker 3: and so I but I decided to stick with it,
Speaker 3: and I thought the actors were good. And then it
Speaker 3: just slowly started to click in the place, the tone,
Speaker 3: the characters, the story. It starts revealing things, so we
Speaker 3: start to understand a little bit more context between the friends.
Speaker 3: And I went from starting the movie a little bit
Speaker 3: like I appreciate the efforts, you know, to by the
Speaker 3: end I had tears streaming down my face. Wow, So
Speaker 3: I would I would say it's a little uneven, but
Speaker 3: ultimately it was really impactful. And it's worth noting that
Speaker 3: it was co written and directed by Kyle Hassman Stokes,
Speaker 3: who himself is a veteran and this movie was inspired
Speaker 3: by two friends that he lost. And I really do
Speaker 3: feel like that enhances what you're watching because you can
Speaker 3: just sense that this comes from a really personal place.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean by the end of it, when
Speaker 3: all of a sudden done, I mean, I really do
Speaker 3: think it turned out to be a really lovely and
Speaker 3: affecting tribute to his friends and to veterans and to
Speaker 3: anyone's suffering from PTSD. Really pretty powerful by the end.
Speaker 3: So that's great. Yeah, yeah, I was really glad that
Speaker 3: I got to. Be honest, I don't know if I
Speaker 3: would have even heard of it if it hadn't been
Speaker 3: sent to me. And I just again for a little
Speaker 3: bit of context, I was I couldn't beam it to
Speaker 3: my TV for some reason, so I had to watch
Speaker 3: it on my laptop, which I wasn't crazy about, and
Speaker 3: and like you know, I wasn't quite on its wavelength
Speaker 3: at the beginning, and I did find myself looking around
Speaker 3: a little bit. And then to this film's credit, I
Speaker 3: mean when it started clicking, I forgot all that it
Speaker 3: had my full attention, and like I said, I had
Speaker 3: tears at the end of it. So's it's a first
Speaker 3: directorial effort from Houseman Stokes, and I think he you know,
Speaker 3: like I said, it's very personal, and I think he
Speaker 3: did a really great job sort of like distilling complicated thing,
Speaker 3: you know, like obviously something from his life, but the
Speaker 3: way that he was able to turn it into this
Speaker 3: weird ghost comedy and have me understand something about him
Speaker 3: that I don't know that I would have, you know,
Speaker 3: understood when just written on paper, Like oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: came back from this place and I lost a friend
Speaker 3: and it makes me feel like this. You're like, well,
Speaker 3: that's oh, that sounds terrible, but like experiencing it through
Speaker 3: these characters in this unique and interesting take really brought
Speaker 3: me into it and made me feel a lot of feelings.
Speaker 3: And I think he did a really great job.
Speaker 2: So that's great. O.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to shut that out and then Zachi,
Speaker 3: I did it. Last night, I spent three hours and
Speaker 3: forty minutes in a movie theater and I finally saw
Speaker 3: The Brutalist. Was it brutal the experience not the movie? Well,
Speaker 3: if you ask me, no, you asked my friend, I
Speaker 3: don't know what he would say. So for those who
Speaker 3: don't know, and I, you know what, I didn't really
Speaker 3: know what this was about when I went into it.
Speaker 3: I knew it was about an immigrant immigrating to the
Speaker 3: US after World War Two and he's an architect. That's
Speaker 3: all I knew. And that is that is what it is.
Speaker 3: It's a Hungarian Jewish Holocaust survivor comes over to the US.
Speaker 3: Prior to the war, he was an architect and once
Speaker 3: he gets to the US, he's struggling a little bit
Speaker 3: to find work, and he ends up redesigning a wealthy
Speaker 3: businessman's library. And I hesitate to say more than that,
Speaker 3: because it actually was nice, not knowing where it was going,
Speaker 3: but you know, needless to say, opportunities arise for him
Speaker 3: following that, and an opportunity comes up where he can
Speaker 3: make something grand and personal, and of course there are
Speaker 3: you know, obstacles along the way. This is a really
Speaker 3: interesting movie. It's I mean, I was lucky enough to
Speaker 3: see it on a big screen, but that aside just
Speaker 3: the filmmaking itself, it just feels very grand and gargantuan,
Speaker 3: and at the same time it also is very intimate,
Speaker 3: and it feels very lived in this story about the
Speaker 3: immigrant experience, and I walked away transported. I really liked it,
Speaker 3: and I talked about this many months back. But seeing
Speaker 3: the movie Civil War, where I know some people could
Speaker 3: you know, have some problems with it or be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was pretty good, but I don't know about this
Speaker 3: and that, and I might even agree with you. But
Speaker 3: I was in another world for two hours, and that
Speaker 3: doesn't always happen. And I had the same feeling with
Speaker 3: this where I really felt like I left another like
Speaker 3: I almost time traveled to another era and hung around
Speaker 3: beside this person and just experienced someone else's life for
Speaker 3: three hours forty minutes. And that really moved me, and
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The other thing too, was not knowing even what the
Speaker 3: tone of this movie was. I didn't know what lay ahead.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if there was some huge tragedy that
Speaker 3: was going to happen. I didn't know if people were
Speaker 3: gonna like, I mean, it's someone gonna like murder someone like.
Speaker 3: I literally had no idea what the tone of this
Speaker 3: movie was. And there is this.
Speaker 2: Way to experience a movie, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It really is, And you know, there was this sustained
Speaker 3: unease in the air while I was watching it. I
Speaker 3: was uncomfortable. And you know what, I'm sure he had
Speaker 3: the same feeling that character. So I really did get
Speaker 3: to experience that along with him, where he's getting to
Speaker 3: do something exciting, and there was a moment where I
Speaker 3: almost wanted to clap my hand because I was so
Speaker 3: excited for him. But then there is the unease. You know,
Speaker 3: he doesn't know what lays ahead. Things, a lot of
Speaker 3: things are out of his control, and I feeling that,
Speaker 3: I feel like, maybe that is why I experiencing the
Speaker 3: movie the way that I did. I really felt transported
Speaker 3: with it. I'll say it's I've heard a lot of
Speaker 3: people speak about the fact that it's in two parts,
Speaker 3: so there's a you know, being almost four hours, there's
Speaker 3: an intermission in the middle, and I had heard a
Speaker 3: lot of people talk about preferring the first half to
Speaker 3: the second half, and I can understand that actually, because
Speaker 3: I think the first half has a lot of drive
Speaker 3: that's pretty irresistible. You know, this immigrant coming over and
Speaker 3: not knowing anyone, not knowing what he's going to do,
Speaker 3: and then finding opportunity, and that's it's paced. I should
Speaker 3: say it's paced pretty leisurely, so know that getting into it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I call it slowburn, but I
Speaker 3: would say it's a little leisurely. But you really want
Speaker 3: to see things work out for this character, so I
Speaker 3: was really invested and interested in this person. The second half,
Speaker 3: I think people's feelings about it will depend on if
Speaker 3: you were invested completely at this point. So you want
Speaker 3: to know what's going to happen with this with this guy,
Speaker 3: so that keeps you motivated. The second half becomes a
Speaker 3: little bit more about him and his personal life, and
Speaker 3: if you just aren't into it, like if it didn't
Speaker 3: lock onto you, I could see people feeling like less
Speaker 3: interested as it went along. But yeah, no, it's it's
Speaker 3: just big, grand historical filmmaking. Like it reminded me actually
Speaker 3: of The Master, that kind of a feeling or a
Speaker 3: phantom thread both. Okay, pta movie great, great movies, great movies,
Speaker 3: And I don't know that I connected with this one
Speaker 3: as in the same ways that I did with those others.
Speaker 3: I think The Master, at least in terms of how
Speaker 3: that movie made me feel, is a good point of comparison.
Speaker 2: Do you think it would have worked better for you
Speaker 2: if Adrian Brody had a Rosta wig?
Speaker 3: By the way, did we talk about this when they
Speaker 3: showed that clip oh at the SNL thing that SNL
Speaker 3: fifty was someone like like, oh, he I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: I'm sure he doesn't get that oscar When they were
Speaker 3: doing I mean for people who don't know what we're
Speaker 3: talking about, years years, years back, when Adrian Brody hosted SNL,
Speaker 3: he was introducing Oh, I don't forget remember who the
Speaker 3: musical guests?
Speaker 2: Remember?
Speaker 3: I think they might have been like, have a reggae
Speaker 3: bent to them, so he went. Nobody knew he was
Speaker 3: going to do this. But when he you know, usually
Speaker 3: you go ladies and gentlemen, you know, Maroon five or
Speaker 3: something like that. Like he came out with a rosto
Speaker 3: like dreadlock wig on and started talking in a fake
Speaker 3: bad Jamaican accent and it and it went on for
Speaker 3: like what felt like forever. And can you imagine what
Speaker 3: Lorne Michaels was doing under the bleachers with like his
Speaker 3: his papers, probably you know, squeezing them in his hands
Speaker 3: watching it anyway, that's but yeah, anyway, so the brutalist.
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's paced or plotted for maybe
Speaker 3: like the casual moviegoer or something, someone who's looking for
Speaker 3: something to just pop on on a Friday night. This
Speaker 3: might not be for you, but like there is like
Speaker 3: wonderful acting in this, and it's a really intriguing character film,
Speaker 3: and it just feels like I say, I keep thinking
Speaker 3: of the word transportive and epic in this really unique
Speaker 3: and special way, and I was really glad to go
Speaker 3: on the journey with it.
Speaker 2: Well there you go, hey, that lights a fire under
Speaker 2: me to carve out the I don't know how I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make that three and a half, three hours and
Speaker 2: forty five minutes fit in with my schedule, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just it, isn't it. Wait? What was
Speaker 3: I seeing? Oh that Mickey seventeen. Yes, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course I want to see that. And then I
Speaker 3: saw it was over two hours, and I was like,
Speaker 3: why a lot.
Speaker 2: Of those stuff, all those short movies seem to be
Speaker 2: coming back. You know, there's a you know, under two
Speaker 2: seems to be more common than not these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what I was going to say real quick
Speaker 3: for you specifically, is you know, you obviously you could
Speaker 3: break it up. There's a natural break in the middle
Speaker 3: built into the movie. But I do wonder if the
Speaker 3: second half you almost need to come right off the
Speaker 3: first half to feel as this in the second half.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think, what do you think Family
Speaker 3: Movie Night? No? No, no, no, sorry, I people haven't
Speaker 3: seen it, not that it would be obvious, but you know,
Speaker 3: it's funny. It's not that there's just like two sort
Speaker 3: of sex scene moments, and uh one at the beginning
Speaker 3: is like pretty graphic, but uh yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: mean you could like sort of if you had like chapters,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you get like chapter skip or something, but yeah,
Speaker 3: but I did watch something else.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, before we can do that, we were talking
Speaker 2: about the SNL thing. I just wanted to get Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to talk to you about it.
Speaker 2: What did you think of the SNL. We haven't talked
Speaker 2: about this out.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I mean we've we've said we're
Speaker 3: huge SNL people, and we still watch it every week,
Speaker 3: and we also love learning about the history, and so
Speaker 3: this was kind of all the above, right where you
Speaker 3: get to watch sketches and relive the greatest of from
Speaker 3: the past, but it was also kind of about the
Speaker 3: lore and shining a light on you know, there were
Speaker 3: all these documentaries that were dropping on Peacock about the
Speaker 3: writers specifically and how they focus on the cow Bell
Speaker 3: sketch for an hour and talk about what went into
Speaker 3: creating that and how it came to be as we
Speaker 3: know it, and I just devoured all that stuff, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking, yeah, I saw I saw
Speaker 2: some folks online who were like, what you know, something
Speaker 2: to the effect of like, why are they making such
Speaker 2: a big deal out of this SNL thing?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, cause it's the fiftieth and that's a
Speaker 3: huge deal, Like can we can we not? Well, I
Speaker 3: would say I say two things. One what you just said,
Speaker 3: because it's fifty years old and in television that's like monumental. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: And secondly, if you don't care, then why are you
Speaker 3: even commenting on it? Like, go pitch what you care
Speaker 3: about when you care about exactly?
Speaker 2: For me, yeah, I loved all the documentaries and then
Speaker 2: they had the concert the night.
Speaker 3: Before, which I yes, people have recommended it to me
Speaker 3: and I still haven't watched it, but I'd like to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen the clips you know, on YouTube and whatnot,
Speaker 2: but the actual yeah, the event, it was it was
Speaker 2: for me. It was one of those things I was
Speaker 2: watching with my oldest I was like, you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like it's like the rings of a tree trunk.
Speaker 2: How many SNL anniversary specials you get to watch, you know,
Speaker 2: mm hmm, because the twenty fifth and I don't think
Speaker 2: there was the thirtieth of the fortieth. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the fun and that's the history, and that's the
Speaker 2: legacy and and I love all of that, you know,
Speaker 2: And what I realize is like, you know.
Speaker 3: The the the legacy of how you have your sketches
Speaker 3: and then those are the sketches that you share with
Speaker 3: your kids or that you shared with your parents, and
Speaker 3: it just gets.
Speaker 2: Passed along, right Yeah, yeah, And that's the amazing thing.
Speaker 2: That's what makes this so unique, you know totally. I
Speaker 2: think you know, because every couple of years we get
Speaker 2: the oh, the show sucks now whatever, and that's almost missing.
Speaker 2: The force for the trees, right is the existence of
Speaker 2: the show, and you know it's gonna be this this
Speaker 2: amazing thing that just carries on, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that's a real key to unlocking a love
Speaker 3: of the show, which is, yeah, every episode is uneven
Speaker 3: because they made it in six days, and that's part
Speaker 3: of its charm is when something does land, what a miracle,
Speaker 3: you know, and when it doesn't, you think, oh, I
Speaker 3: think I see what they were going for there, Like
Speaker 3: it just didn't come together, you know, like it's all
Speaker 3: part of.
Speaker 2: It, right, And just to pick up on what you're saying,
Speaker 2: what you realize is in any given season, with your
Speaker 2: twenty plus episode, there will be probably like five sketches
Speaker 2: that are just all timers. Sure, not to say the
Speaker 2: rest will suck. Right, There'll be varying degrees of amusing
Speaker 2: and some just won't at all. But there's gonna be
Speaker 2: a handful in any given season that are just like
Speaker 2: they are watched and talked about forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right. For every one cow Bell, there's how many that
Speaker 2: are just kind of you know, they just came and went,
Speaker 2: and that's the nature of the form and that's.
Speaker 3: What makes it fun, you know. I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2: I should also say we're talking about audiobooks. I downloaded
Speaker 2: the audiobook of Lorn, which is the biography. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I listened to a long form interview with the author, yes,
Speaker 3: and it made me really want to check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, oh great, and then I saw
Speaker 2: it's twenty two hours, and I was like, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Then do you ever get like a little giddy thrill
Speaker 3: though when you put it to like one point seven
Speaker 3: speed and all of a sudden it's like sixteen hours.
Speaker 3: You're like, hey, dude.
Speaker 2: Remember that that it was? I think it was a
Speaker 2: New York magazine about how the author of that book
Speaker 2: accidentally didn't do like a blind copy when she sent
Speaker 2: a mass email. Oh yes, yes, right, right, So she
Speaker 2: sent a mass email to like all these luminaries SNL
Speaker 2: related and not about like hey, I'm having like a
Speaker 2: cocktail for the book or something to that effect. And
Speaker 2: instead of doing a BCC, she accidentally just hit you know,
Speaker 2: just her entire address book, right right, And so before
Speaker 2: long this reply all theater started playing.
Speaker 3: Out right right with these really famous pechos, like famous people.
Speaker 2: Some people are like what Aaron Sorkin's like, why is
Speaker 2: everybody emailing me? And I'm like, what a fascinating list
Speaker 2: to it to be a part of right, Like that's
Speaker 2: its own little status symbol, right if you're in that mix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that is like almost a historical document
Speaker 3: like that should be in the Library of Congress email chain.
Speaker 2: It was. It was very funny just reading reading the
Speaker 2: responses to the responses and stuff and the way it
Speaker 2: just kept escalating. So funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was anyway.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just I didn't get a chance to talk
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: No, no, well, you know, And it's funny too because
Speaker 3: the show itself was very long, and I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I watched it with some friends and I think we
Speaker 3: I don't know that we did it on purpose, but
Speaker 3: we started it a little late, so we were able
Speaker 3: to fast forward through a lot of the ads, and
Speaker 3: you know, I made it go a little easier. But
Speaker 3: it was fun. It just felt like a good celebration.
Speaker 3: You know. They brought back some of their famous sketches,
Speaker 3: but notably there were sketches that feature a huge cast
Speaker 3: of characters so they could slot in a bunch of
Speaker 3: major celebrities like Eddie Murphy and stuff to like just
Speaker 3: make it feel big in like a celebration. And and
Speaker 3: some of them hit, some of them didn't. And I
Speaker 3: was talking about that with my friends because we were like, oh,
Speaker 3: that didn't really work, did it? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: just and l you know, like some of it works,
Speaker 3: some of it doesn't.
Speaker 2: That's that's the show, the fact that and you and
Speaker 2: I we talked about this. You know that they had
Speaker 2: the Black Jeopardy sketch and you had Tracy Morgan as
Speaker 2: a character. Yeah, and then Eddie Murphy playing Tracy Morgan
Speaker 2: right right right, And I was like, imagine being Tracy Morgan. Yes,
Speaker 2: he probably grew up idolizing Eddie Murphy and now he's
Speaker 2: on stage imitating you.
Speaker 3: I know, I thought that I thought that very thing,
Speaker 3: what a What a mind trip, What a moment. Anyway,
Speaker 3: what else did you see? Well, I saw something. We
Speaker 3: both watched the same thing, which was September five. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: which is kind of fascinating because this, I I believe
Speaker 3: came out last year. I think the thinking was it
Speaker 3: would be an Awards contender, and it just I don't
Speaker 3: even know when it actually dropped. It just streaming. I mean,
Speaker 3: this just completely flew under the radar. I mean, this
Speaker 3: was this was not a it was not a streaming original, right, No, No,
Speaker 3: I think this wasn't well you know what, I feel like.
Speaker 3: I do remember it playing at my regal for at
Speaker 3: least a week or something, and I thought, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: curious about that. But yeah, it's interesting. I kind of
Speaker 3: wonder why that is. But well, I I if I
Speaker 3: were to guess, yeah, well we probably have the same guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So well we should say, first of all, so it's
Speaker 2: about the terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy two. But it's specifically about how the ABC Sports team,
Speaker 2: uh we're the only uh TV crew that was positioned
Speaker 2: to actually cover the story. Yeah, from like from from
Speaker 2: a front row seat, and what what I really. You know,
Speaker 2: I just realized I'm talking right right, I cut you off.
Speaker 3: I bath, no, no, no, no, you're exactly yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I So anybody who knows me knows I'm a huge
Speaker 2: fan of just like journalism movies. This is my sweet spot.
Speaker 2: And and multiple listeners reached out to me and were like, Zach,
Speaker 2: you got to watch this.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I know, I know it's on
Speaker 3: my radar, but I love Oh people know me. That's good.
Speaker 3: But what I love is.
Speaker 2: It it truly exists only within the field of awareness
Speaker 2: of these TV people.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: We any any information we get, we only get if
Speaker 2: they get right. And that's what I really liked about it.
Speaker 2: I thought, Peter uh uh, Peter Sarsgard in the lead role,
Speaker 2: he's rude art Ledge. It was like, like, this is
Speaker 2: what a dork I am, Like, I know, Rune Arlich,
Speaker 2: oh really yeah, but he's very good in the lead
Speaker 2: and and really like it's a very small scale, but
Speaker 2: but the steaks feel very high, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and I wanted to call out John mcgarth macgaro, yeah,
Speaker 3: from from The Big Short. Oh yeah, I didn't. I
Speaker 3: didn't place him, but he is captivating. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: very understated, but captivating. It's we talk about competence porn
Speaker 3: and how much we love that in our stories, which
Speaker 3: is basically something happens and smart, competent people are thinking
Speaker 3: quickly on their feet and doing the best they can,
Speaker 3: and the best thing can is pretty damn good, right.
Speaker 2: And well, and and just to add to that and
Speaker 2: grappling with the ramifications if if they get it.
Speaker 3: Wrong, yes, yes, yes, Like there's a whole moment where
Speaker 3: they're deciding who to call the perpetrators, like are they terrorists?
Speaker 3: It's like, well, terrorists is a charge word. Do we know?
Speaker 3: Like who are they? Blah blah blahlah, Like they don't
Speaker 3: know anything, and they're figuring it out as they go,
Speaker 3: and they have a responsibility as like you said, the
Speaker 3: sole people who will be bringing this live to the world.
Speaker 3: And it's an analog world, right, Like there's this moment
Speaker 3: at the beginning I loved where this is happening in
Speaker 3: the Olympic village, which they're pretty close to their broadcast operation,
Speaker 3: and so just again being in nineteen seventy two, they
Speaker 3: don't have little handheld cameras and stuff, so they have
Speaker 3: to take a TV camera, like a big clunky sitcom
Speaker 3: look in TV camera and they make the decision like
Speaker 3: I don't know how find cable long enough and just
Speaker 3: roll that thing out onto a hill. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: just the quick thinking and the innovation, like they don't
Speaker 3: realize it, but they're innovating live news coverage. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: loved this movie. I thought it was riveting. Yeah I
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, Benjamin Walker, who he was
Speaker 2: the guy from Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.
Speaker 3: Wait who did you play?
Speaker 2: He plays Peter Jennings.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wait was he Lincoln?
Speaker 2: He was Lincoln?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll be damned right. And and his Peter
Speaker 3: Jennings was incredible, no joke. I yes, I I his
Speaker 3: voice is spot on, right, Yeah. I was like, that
Speaker 3: is exactly Peter Jennings's voice, you know. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I I think I texted you afterwards and was like,
Speaker 3: how did everyone miss this? This is just really and
Speaker 3: it's like ninety minutes, it's only what it needs to
Speaker 3: be and I, I don't know, I was I was riveted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I so. I suspect that current geopolitics played a
Speaker 2: role in Yeah, this one probably getting getting you know,
Speaker 2: swept under the rug a little bit navy fan with
Speaker 2: a little hot button a little bit, yeah, and whether
Speaker 2: that's the right decision wrong. So I'm not going to
Speaker 2: get into that, but I think the movie itself works
Speaker 2: because it's just it's about the responsibility that comes with with,
Speaker 2: you know, being a journalist, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean, the movie isn't about politics or
Speaker 3: even the situation itself, you know, that's right. It's just
Speaker 3: a thing that's happening, and we're following the people that
Speaker 3: have to figure out in a time before this was commonplace,
Speaker 3: how do we as responsible journalists bring this to the world.
Speaker 2: And in a marked contrast from the brutalist this one
Speaker 2: is ninety four minutes soaking wet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 2: It's a nice little chaser.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh and then I want to also call out
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say her name, but Leoni
Speaker 3: Binesh maybe. Yes, she's the German translator and she was
Speaker 3: in a movie I really liked, called The Teacher's Lounge,
Speaker 3: so I was happy to see her again. Oh great, Yeah,
Speaker 3: well there we go. Yeah, I'm glad we both like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, yeah, you know, I think it's on
Speaker 2: streaming now. I don't know if it's on like VOD
Speaker 2: or p VOD streaming. I don't know if any what
Speaker 2: service is going to have it, but if it comes
Speaker 2: across your radar, it's worth watching. I think it's pretty terrific.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's screenplay is nominated either for
Speaker 3: Best Screenplay or Best Adapted Screenplay. I'm not sure. Oh, okay,
Speaker 3: well there you go.
Speaker 2: So that's something at least. Hey, we got some listener
Speaker 2: letters here, Brian. Oh great, So here's a note we
Speaker 2: got from Spencer Toyson. And this is in regards to
Speaker 2: our commentary track for Office Space. Okay, and he says, hello, dudes,
Speaker 2: So the same feeling that the culture has for Office
Speaker 2: Space I have for Superman three. It's appropriate because the
Speaker 2: two movies are intertwined.
Speaker 3: That's right, he says.
Speaker 2: Definitely not a critical or financial success, but I can't
Speaker 2: help but feel and acknowledge how purposefully goofy and intentional
Speaker 2: Superman three is large, cowboy hats, suitcases full of alcohol,
Speaker 2: and unemployed man being a super hacker. Well, it's like
Speaker 2: he's describing my life. It's wonderful. As a Superman feature,
Speaker 2: it's not the adaptation you'd think for sure. However, if
Speaker 2: Evil Superman's worst crime is blowing out the Olympic torch,
Speaker 2: come on, that's gold. Terrorizing a sculptor, making Pisa models platinum.
Speaker 3: Maybe one of my top moments in the whole Superman series.
Speaker 2: It's so great. I love it, he says. If anything,
Speaker 2: if there's anything that the film has given us, it's
Speaker 2: the resurgence of my use of the word keyster. And
Speaker 2: I should say, by those for those of you who
Speaker 2: came in late, that's because you and I, Brian, during
Speaker 2: the course of our commentary track for that film, I
Speaker 2: said that Superman must have taken that. How did he
Speaker 2: get that jar of acid past the computer, the supercomputer?
Speaker 2: Obviously he keystered it.
Speaker 3: Yes, he key stirred the acid.
Speaker 2: He keysterred the acid. And thus a catchphrase for the
Speaker 2: ages was born and Spencer's and for that, I'm forever grateful.
Speaker 2: It's further away from release, but I'm hopeful that generations
Speaker 2: might find the gem that is Richard Pryor v Superman.
Speaker 2: Thank you Spencer for that. And then we have another
Speaker 2: note from Adam O and this is in regards to
Speaker 2: our Diehard with.
Speaker 3: A vengeance commentary track, Oh we Are our last episode.
Speaker 2: Most recently, he says, this was the first Diehard movie
Speaker 2: I saw, so I have a soft spot for it.
Speaker 2: It's a big incoherent in the middle. Excuse me, let
Speaker 2: me try that again, Ran, Sorry, it's a bit incoherent
Speaker 2: in the middle, But Willis and Jackson have such great
Speaker 2: chemistry it makes up for any flaws here here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're big fans. I think that's sort of you know.
Speaker 2: I think, like any big franchise, you sort of glom
Speaker 2: onto whichever one you happen to see first. So I
Speaker 2: do wonder about that a little bit like Diehard three
Speaker 2: really blows up the paradigm, right, So do if you
Speaker 2: watch that one first and then you watch the previous two,
Speaker 2: are you like, Oh, this is so like small scale.
Speaker 3: It's confined. He doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's just in the one building. What's that
Speaker 2: all about? But I think it has withstood the test
Speaker 2: of time, I.
Speaker 3: Think so, I think so. I think, yeah, time has
Speaker 3: been kind to it. Also, I think it's more beloved
Speaker 3: now than it's been. I think it's been people have
Speaker 3: gone back and re evaluated it, or at least the
Speaker 3: people who weren't crazy about it to begin with, right,
Speaker 3: because I always liked it too because I was kind
Speaker 3: of young and just took it for what it was
Speaker 3: and what.
Speaker 2: Was it not? Well, like my recollection is that it.
Speaker 3: I mean it did really well, which we talked about
Speaker 3: when it came out. I feel like there was a
Speaker 3: moment and I don't know, it could just be in
Speaker 3: my sphere, but when I talked about it with people
Speaker 3: that was not a favorite.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's my memory of it because I remember
Speaker 3: having this feeling always being surprised and being like, oh really,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's kind of good that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I've never had like in depth conversations
Speaker 2: about the I heard films with anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was you know, like co workers and things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well hey, thank you everybody for for those
Speaker 2: comments on our commentaries. Yeah, I had gotten one. I
Speaker 2: got a message on Blue Sky from Terrence who just said, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I love listening to the show and I just want
Speaker 2: to ask how are you guys doing, which I just
Speaker 2: I was tickled by that message because because you know,
Speaker 2: no but nobody asks us how we're doing. Brian. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: and I just want to say Terrence, thank you, a
Speaker 2: thank you for asking don okay, I think, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's so funny. I was thinking of like a
Speaker 3: comedy album like Adam Sandler when they have all the
Speaker 3: foley like I wish you could hear like ice. I'm like,
Speaker 3: well and then here like ice clinking in a glass, and.
Speaker 2: You know I I my usual response is is taking
Speaker 2: it one day at a time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'd say the same. I mean, look, I
Speaker 3: it'd be easy for me to say like good, yeah good.
Speaker 3: You know people like how you doing? Oh good? Good?
Speaker 3: Like you just say good. It's just like a response.
Speaker 3: You know, life's got it. It's ups and downs at
Speaker 3: the moment. I'll be entirely honest.
Speaker 2: To quote the Just the Ten of Us theme song,
Speaker 2: we're doing it the best we can.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So definitely, there are days when you know
Speaker 3: you're you're doing something and it's really fun with your
Speaker 3: friends and you're like, oh wow, I feel very lucky.
Speaker 3: I feel very blessed for these people and the things
Speaker 3: that I get to do and and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: And then there are other days when you know life's
Speaker 3: not going your way and you feel a little down,
Speaker 3: you know, So it's yeah, I would I would say
Speaker 3: kind of up and down, but you know, truly, and
Speaker 3: this is being honest. This doing this show and getting
Speaker 3: to talk to Zachi for two hours every week is
Speaker 3: truly highlight and lifts me up every time. And the
Speaker 3: engagement with everybody, I mean, people leave comments after the
Speaker 3: show and we get these listener letters, and I just
Speaker 3: feel so touched by all of it, and so I
Speaker 3: enjoy the connection that comes from this absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually, speaking of just the ten of us, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you knew this. I happened to be on
Speaker 2: YouTube the other day and they had the opening credits
Speaker 2: for that, you know, and it's it has a very
Speaker 2: catchy intro theme, so you do have to kind of
Speaker 2: listen to it. The kid like the did you ever
Speaker 2: watch that show?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I remember it, but no you're like aware of
Speaker 3: it though, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah I was not. I was not a you know,
Speaker 2: a regular viewer. But the kid on that show, the
Speaker 2: young boy, is Matt Shackman.
Speaker 3: Wait, I know that name.
Speaker 2: He's the director of The Fantastic four. Wow. So he
Speaker 2: did Wanda Vision and then you know, based on the
Speaker 2: back of that he did the Fantastic four or he's
Speaker 2: doing the fantas I was like, I was like, is
Speaker 2: that the same? And I looked it up and it
Speaker 2: is indeed the same guy. I'm like, well, he really
Speaker 2: for doing it the best he can.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: There there is a YouTube channel that is dedicated to
Speaker 2: taking This is for our listeners that you already know
Speaker 2: about the spring taking the Just the Ten of Us
Speaker 2: theme song and placing it on the opening the intro
Speaker 2: sequences from other shows under the thesis that the just
Speaker 2: the Ten of Us theme song works for any show,
Speaker 2: and it is rather remarkable because I would say it
Speaker 2: works about eighty percent of the time, like flawlessly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that reminds me. Yeah yeah, I think
Speaker 3: you sent me that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, there's just something about seeing Walter White making
Speaker 2: meth with the with the just the Ten of Us
Speaker 2: theme in the background that just kind of puts it
Speaker 2: puts a little spring in your step. I have to say, yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: we got some we got some news here, Brian Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of news.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, a lot of passings have happened very recently and
Speaker 2: sort of clumped together. This is from a couple months ago,
Speaker 2: but I did want to mention it given that it
Speaker 2: very much overlaps with the things we talk about. John
Speaker 2: Irwin passed away. He was eighty eight years old, and
Speaker 2: you may not know the name, you may not know
Speaker 2: the face, but I suspect you know his voice because
Speaker 2: he's the voice of he Man in the nineteen eighties
Speaker 2: animated series.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was also the voice of Reggie in the Archie
Speaker 2: cartoon show. And he was the voice of Morris the
Speaker 2: Cat from the TV commercials.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I remember that. Yeah. And then I saw
Speaker 3: a random sort of little fact about him that I
Speaker 3: sent to you, which is he is also the voice
Speaker 3: of the radio sportscaster in That Is the Future Part two,
Speaker 3: who's announcing the football game when Old Biff is trying
Speaker 3: to prove to young Biff that the Sports Almanac is real.
Speaker 2: So that's hilarious. Yeah, so definitely, you know when when
Speaker 2: when you say he Man's voice, like, I can I
Speaker 2: know exactly what that voice is same, Yeah, I can
Speaker 2: hear it in my head, right, And and really what's
Speaker 2: kind of amazing is he did both Prince Adam and
Speaker 2: he Man and it was just a matter of you know,
Speaker 2: lowering it by an octave and sounding heroic, right, and
Speaker 2: you go a little higher pitched and you know you
Speaker 2: sound like like dorky Prince Adam.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean yeah, and of course I can
Speaker 3: hear the echoe. I have the power.
Speaker 2: It is amazing how like that character has resonated, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know we joke about like, well it's
Speaker 2: fallen out of favor or whatever, but like that that cartoon,
Speaker 2: people still watch it and kids continue and I honestly
Speaker 2: like I think a big part of that is because
Speaker 2: he was voiced in such a welcoming way. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: he seems like, uh like the friend you'd want to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, Like like the connection I draw is like Peter
Speaker 2: Cullen as optimist prime right.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What what what Culin did so effect does so effectively
Speaker 2: is he has like the you know, the gravel to
Speaker 2: give it, you know, the sense of of uh like seriousness, right.
Speaker 3: But he he's he has the softness to make him
Speaker 3: sound like a friend. That I really do. I can't
Speaker 3: think of examples off the top of my head, but
Speaker 3: I have noticed this in films or shows or whatever
Speaker 3: where yeah, it's like when you have the toughest nails
Speaker 3: or hard boiled leader, that's great, but you also want
Speaker 3: to feel like it's a person who would bring you in,
Speaker 3: you know, like would not be like beat it, Brian,
Speaker 3: you can't hang you. You know, I really do feel
Speaker 3: like that's a really uh an unspoken part ingredient that's
Speaker 3: really important to those types of characters, where you feel
Speaker 3: like they'd feel like they want you to be a
Speaker 3: part of the heist too. You know, you're right, And
Speaker 3: both of those voice actors do a great job of
Speaker 3: imbuing their characters with that quality.
Speaker 2: Like I think at least part of the reason that
Speaker 2: eighty seven live action movie was not received particularly well
Speaker 2: is that, well, Dolph Vungren doesn't sound like he man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, well, speaking of I mean, there
Speaker 3: were some I don't know if they're leaked, but there
Speaker 3: was some set up pictures.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess this movie is actually happening. I know,
Speaker 3: you and I joked because they've been saying they're going
Speaker 3: to make a Masters of the Universe movie for I
Speaker 3: mean decades.
Speaker 2: I mean certainly the entire life of this podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And there have been scripts and you know,
Speaker 3: stops and starts. But you and I were joking, you know,
Speaker 3: when our butts are in seats in the theater and
Speaker 3: it's actually rolling in front of us, that's when we'll
Speaker 3: believe it. But we saw set photos and actually I
Speaker 3: don't know the actor's name.
Speaker 2: But Nicholas Gallazine.
Speaker 3: Okay, looks pretty good. Yeah, I think, well, well my
Speaker 3: wife is suddenly a fan. Well we should say two things. One,
Speaker 3: there's some sort of like teaser poster image thing where
Speaker 3: you just see a gripped fist holding the sword, which
Speaker 3: is awesome because it looks exactly against a Peck.
Speaker 2: We should say.
Speaker 3: Against the pack. Yeah, and that Gregory Peck's descendants. We're talking. No.
Speaker 3: But the set photo is kind of interesting and you
Speaker 3: have to think about it a little bit because we're
Speaker 3: seeing he Man or Prince Adam whoever in jeans and
Speaker 3: a button up shirt in modern times. So you're led
Speaker 3: to wonder, oh, is this another movie where he Man
Speaker 3: is sent to Earth? Kind of like the eighties film
Speaker 3: what's the story going to be here? I think some
Speaker 3: people were a little like, not this again. We have
Speaker 3: this take place on Eternia. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'll ep an open mind, but I mean, what did
Speaker 3: you think when you saw that?
Speaker 2: Well, as soon as I saw the picture, I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: he's wearing a a white T shirt and a pink
Speaker 2: button down, so he looks like Prince Adam, right, So
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, so it's Prince Adam, it's not
Speaker 2: he Man. I was like, oh, so they're doing the
Speaker 2: thing like the old filmation show where he's got the
Speaker 2: exact same physique, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right right.
Speaker 2: But like people, people, people are like, oh, how can
Speaker 2: nobody recognize Superman when he takes the glasses of I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: he Man just takes his shirt off and nobody recognizes it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets tan and and half naked. If I
Speaker 2: were to guess I don't know anything about this this
Speaker 2: movie thus far plot lives, but I would guess he's
Speaker 2: on Eternia and he doesn't know who he is.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I wonder if this is a
Speaker 3: hook situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that right exactly, you know that, that would
Speaker 2: be my guess. I have no idea, but the mirror.
Speaker 3: He looks pretty good. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: And I saw interviews of him from like a year ago,
Speaker 2: and he was like this this you know, very thin
Speaker 2: looking guy. So I'm like, damn, he put in the.
Speaker 3: Work, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a great cast. So and Travis knight By,
Speaker 2: though he's directing, he did he did Bumblebee Oh, which
Speaker 2: I liked exactly right, and that certainly had the exact
Speaker 2: right flavor in terms of respecting uh An eighties mythos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very much. So you're right, yeah, the whole eighties thing.
Speaker 3: And then it also had humor and heart and so
Speaker 3: to me, the cast list is well, okay, Jared Leto
Speaker 3: eskeletor notwithstanding, and even that I'm willing to hold out
Speaker 3: for because I feel like there's the potential of Leto
Speaker 3: doing something fun and interesting with Frankly, if he must
Speaker 3: do this at all, that could actually kind of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it's going to be a CG
Speaker 2: thing and whatever, it's fine, but but like, and we
Speaker 2: talked about Idris Elba playing Man at Arms and Marina
Speaker 2: mcaren is the sorceress and all that sad I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: I and I read that it's like trap Jaw and
Speaker 2: triclops and Fisto and I'm like, I know all of
Speaker 2: those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like actually going for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I'm like, you know, show me, show
Speaker 2: me what battle Cat looks like, and let's get the
Speaker 2: sucker going, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Orco will there be Orco? That's that's the
Speaker 3: eternal question. I remember having a toy had that little
Speaker 3: zip thing that you pull through it. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: like a drag strip, right, you know what. I love
Speaker 3: a filmation.
Speaker 2: The company that made the show was notoriously cheap, right,
Speaker 2: because they would you know, if you watch the show,
Speaker 2: they would reuse the same animation sequences and whatever. Right. So,
Speaker 2: Orco who was created for the show. He was originally
Speaker 2: going to be called Gorpo, and the reason they changed
Speaker 2: him to yeah is because if you put a G
Speaker 2: on his chest, yeah, you can't flip the cell.
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought, you're even. I thought it's going to
Speaker 3: be even more like my new show where it was
Speaker 3: like lip flap, because then you'd have to have a
Speaker 3: different sort of you could go orc. Oh no, that's good.
Speaker 2: No, it's just because he had a O on his chest.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so funny. That makes complete sense, And you
Speaker 3: know what, I respect that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey man, because here's the thing. Because filmation,
Speaker 2: even as a kid like I knew filmation shows and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, filmation, they're the ones that always
Speaker 2: reuse the animation hm which a is entirely appropriate because
Speaker 2: he Man toys like constantly reused parts, right, And I knew,
Speaker 2: like even as a kid, I knew that.
Speaker 3: Right, Like as another beefy musclely action figures, just he
Speaker 3: Man's body painted green.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well the best, the most, the most mercenary
Speaker 2: use of this was a character called Faker, okay, which
Speaker 2: was it was he Man, it was it was the
Speaker 2: body was he Man, but it was it was molded
Speaker 2: in blue plastic.
Speaker 3: Mm hm oh.
Speaker 2: And they gave him Skeletor's harness in orange, so he's
Speaker 2: a blue he Man with an orange Skeletor harness. And
Speaker 2: they're like, this is Faker. He's the evil he Man robot.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, golf clap for that, right, because even
Speaker 2: as a kid, I was like, that is some bullshit
Speaker 2: right there. I know what y'all doing.
Speaker 3: They could have just taken he Man and put like
Speaker 3: an old timey mustache on him and called a Faker.
Speaker 3: So I gotta at least they used some paint, you know.
Speaker 2: So that was like Mattel was notorious for that Filmation
Speaker 2: to do the same thing. So I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: I respect that partly because at the time in the eighties,
Speaker 2: Mattel was the sorry. Filmation was the only animation company
Speaker 2: that was fully made in the United States. Wow, And
Speaker 2: so that's how they kept costing and everyone else was
Speaker 2: shipping their work overseas. And guess what, we have no
Speaker 2: domestic animation now because overseas just does a cheaper so
Speaker 2: Filmation was holding down the line.
Speaker 3: I respect that, Yeah, totally. Anyway, he Man movie. We
Speaker 3: don't even know what it's called.
Speaker 2: Is it called Masters of the Universe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that is.
Speaker 2: It's coming out next summer, so not twenty five but
Speaker 2: twenty six.
Speaker 3: I'm into it. It's tickling a little nostalgia for me.
Speaker 3: I really hope. I hope it's fun.
Speaker 2: Well, this is going to be an Amazon MGM release,
Speaker 2: so Brian, you know what that means.
Speaker 3: You know, we might be.
Speaker 2: Looking at a shared cinematic universe with Double O seven
Speaker 2: and Jack Reacher and I'm gonna say Bill and Ted. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe RoboCop or throw a RoboCop in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe. Uh. Fred Astaire brought back through special effects.
Speaker 3: It'll be like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or something. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Actually, you know what would be the most
Speaker 3: amazing magic trick ever, as if they did do something
Speaker 3: that ridiculous, but they're like, no, no, no, it's going
Speaker 3: to be good, Like let's really make something brilliant, play
Speaker 3: it totally straight. Yeah. I don't know why. That's just
Speaker 3: my thing. I want to see people do something that's
Speaker 3: really really stupid, but like really you know, like manipulate everyone,
Speaker 3: and then they're like, wait, I think that's actually good.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to feel about this.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like bell Air, right, the show, The Peacock Show.
Speaker 3: Oh right, yes, where again.
Speaker 2: That it started as like a trailer like let's let's
Speaker 2: do it like play it straight, and that's what makes
Speaker 2: it funny, like.
Speaker 3: A funnier die kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, like what if?
Speaker 2: And it's like pretty decent. That's yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know, So you watched first season.
Speaker 2: At least I've watched the first season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, interesting and Will Smith I mean, because
Speaker 3: it didn't it start literally as a parody and then
Speaker 3: Will Smith was like, let's talk yeah exactly, yeah, Will
Speaker 3: Smith Man, you know you know, he is a producer
Speaker 3: on like on Cobra Kai. Interesting, right, and I didn't
Speaker 3: I would assume that whatever rights he had thanks to
Speaker 3: the twenty ten movie, he somehow still he gets he
Speaker 3: gets to dip his beak.
Speaker 2: You know, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, right, So
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you know, good, good for him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: totally make that money. So John Irwin a voice for
Speaker 2: the ages, truly, and he will be missed. Another another
Speaker 2: person who just passed away a couple days ago as
Speaker 2: we record this, Michelle Trachtenberg.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was shocking.
Speaker 2: Came as a surprise. She was of course she I
Speaker 2: think for many people came on the scene with Harriet
Speaker 2: the Spy in the nineties. I knew her as as Dawn.
Speaker 2: She was Buffy the Vampire Slayer's younger sister. But of
Speaker 2: course she had been in Gossip Girl, she was in
Speaker 2: the movie euro Trip. Died at age thirty nine for
Speaker 2: a cause of death undetermined, But obviously age thirty nine
Speaker 2: is not you know, generally that's a normal thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, well, and she had had a surgery recently, right,
Speaker 3: something involved a liver transplant. Oh okay, so yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean you can kind of imagine. But yeah, see seeing
Speaker 3: that headline in the number thirty nine, it just feels
Speaker 3: like a kick to your chest. You shouldn't see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was somebody. I mean, she had continued
Speaker 2: to work, but you know, she had dealt with some stuff,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean I remember a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago when when all this stuff came out about about
Speaker 2: Joss Whedon, one of the things that was said is
Speaker 2: that he was not allowed to be alone with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so that made me think, like, man,
Speaker 2: you know, she was probably dealing with a lot of
Speaker 2: this Hollywood bullshit from a very young age and for
Speaker 2: most of her life probably, and that's just a rough
Speaker 2: thing in general, you know.
Speaker 3: And and then after she passed, I mean, what's sort
Speaker 3: of heartening to see is that all the tributes to
Speaker 3: her and all the people who had worked whether through
Speaker 3: all those years, just had nothing but really lovely and
Speaker 3: heartfelt things to say about her and her character. And
Speaker 3: so I mean, through it all, it sounds like she
Speaker 3: was someone that people really loved and enjoyed working with.
Speaker 2: So yeah, some Michelle Trackenberg gone at thirty nine. Also,
Speaker 2: this this is a big one. Gene Hackman died.
Speaker 3: This was shocking. I mean shocking. It's it's I mean,
Speaker 3: he was ninety five.
Speaker 2: Right, I feel like to some extent it was, at
Speaker 2: least for me. I'm not gonna speak for you, but
Speaker 2: it's like, well, once you're over ninety you're sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: this is a headline that's going to be coming at
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 3: But let me yes, I think what I mean is
Speaker 3: he is one of those people though he kind of
Speaker 3: disappeared from public life, so he's locked into my mind
Speaker 3: one years ago. Yeah, so like twenty some years ago,
Speaker 3: which is not too far from Royal ten and bombs
Speaker 3: or something, So in my mind he's still like that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but.
Speaker 3: No, he's ninety five and that's a heck of a life.
Speaker 3: And but this, this one's kind of.
Speaker 2: Weird, right, we don't know the full extent the circumstances.
Speaker 2: We may not know for for a while.
Speaker 3: Well, because his wife was also found dead, the two
Speaker 3: of them, and then also one of their dogs, that's right.
Speaker 3: And at first it seemed like, oh, this this feels
Speaker 3: like if they were all dead in their home, maybe
Speaker 3: it's a carbon monoxide kind of situation. But then police
Speaker 3: were saying that now this is suspicious in quotes circumstances,
Speaker 3: and there's some story that they're going to have to
Speaker 3: try to dig into to see what happened.
Speaker 2: What what I read is there were open pill bottles
Speaker 2: that were found and they were in different rooms. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is a moving target in terms of the full
Speaker 2: extent of what happened, and that is that is it'll all,
Speaker 2: you know, come out and due time. However, ultimately we're
Speaker 2: talking about a legend, yes, truly, I mean, like one
Speaker 2: of the greatest actors of all time, one of the
Speaker 2: most indelible screen presences. And I love what Zach Stantz
Speaker 2: said on social media. He says, be so good at
Speaker 2: what you do that you can die more than a
Speaker 2: decade after you retirement at age ninety five, and it
Speaker 2: will still feel like an unspeakable.
Speaker 3: Loss, right right, yeah, right, And that's really like.
Speaker 2: There was no precedent or antecedent for Gene Hackman. He
Speaker 2: was one of a kind, right obviously for me, and
Speaker 2: I would assume for many people listening, maybe even you.
Speaker 3: The first time I saw him was Superman probably, yeah, right.
Speaker 2: And I remember even as a kid when I was
Speaker 2: able to read, I was like, oh, Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, Superman,
Speaker 2: Christopher I was like, so this guy is a big deal.
Speaker 3: That means right, credited before himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And and he was just a fact of
Speaker 2: movie going life, certainly for our childhoods.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. And then of course you know Unforgiven
Speaker 3: and yeah, Hoosiers all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can keep going the conversation French Connection
Speaker 2: one and to. But he was great in Runaway Jury,
Speaker 2: which was one of the last movies he did obviously
Speaker 2: mentioned Royal Tenenbaumbs. I mean, even like the the thing
Speaker 2: is he he whatever the movie was like like Superman four,
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna argue that's a good movie. M even Christopher
Speaker 2: Reeve looks like he's halfway out the door. Gen Hackman
Speaker 2: shows up man, He's he is not the bad part
Speaker 2: of that movie, right, right, he comes to play he right,
Speaker 2: And and you know, there's a there's a great story
Speaker 2: that Ben Stiller told about working with him on Royal
Speaker 2: Tannon Bombs where Stiller is like super intimidated working with
Speaker 2: him and he wants to talk to him about how
Speaker 2: much he loved him in the Posidon Adventure. And so
Speaker 2: the whole shoot. After several you know, weeks of knowing
Speaker 2: him whatever, feeling comfortable with him, he says, you know, Gene,
Speaker 2: I just want to say how much you know, I
Speaker 2: saw The Pasigon Adventure when I was a kid, and
Speaker 2: it's changed my life. It made me want to become
Speaker 2: a filmmaker and had such a big impact on me.
Speaker 2: And and Hackman goes, yeah, that was a money job.
Speaker 2: And then he gets up and walks away. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: he still showed up, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what's funny is like I can imagine
Speaker 3: initially like maybe a little disappointment in that moment for Stiller,
Speaker 3: but then you're like, nah, man, that's Hackman. Like I
Speaker 3: just had a Hackman moment.
Speaker 2: You gotta well. And I love this quote. This was
Speaker 2: from Gene Hackman. He says, no matter what you feel
Speaker 2: about the project, be the best you can be because
Speaker 2: sometime somewhere someone we'll see it. It's great, isn't that something?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like I read that quote, you know, as soon as
Speaker 2: this broke But that quote has been like living in
Speaker 2: my head for the last you know, thirty six hours,
Speaker 2: because I mean it's incredibly profound when you think about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And clearly, like you can draw a corollary with the
Speaker 2: pussign Adventure. Look, man, Ben Stillard didn't know. He just
Speaker 2: did that for the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And then I mean, look at look at
Speaker 3: the impact he's had, you know, inspired by your work
Speaker 3: early on. That's right, by the way. I'm just looking
Speaker 3: at all his movies here, and I just have to
Speaker 3: call it Crimson Tide because fantast good lord him and
Speaker 3: Denzel squaring off in like tight, sweaty submarine quarters. I
Speaker 3: love that movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeap, that one. And you and I we just
Speaker 2: watched Enemy of the State recently.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm hm.
Speaker 2: He's great, great in that obviously, the conversation. Even like
Speaker 2: Behind Enemy Lines, which is not a movie I'm crazy about,
Speaker 2: he showed up, you know. Yeah, he was memorable in it.
Speaker 2: And I distinctly I remember when he had stopped acting
Speaker 2: and he said something. It was a couple of years
Speaker 2: after Welcome to Mooseport, which is his last movie, just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've done acting, and I was like, oh, man, that's
Speaker 2: a bummer, just not being able to see him. But
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, also imagine having the centeredness of being
Speaker 2: a huge Hollywood star and just being like you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm done. Yeah, Like it's not like Hollywood walked
Speaker 3: away from him, right right, because the truth of it is,
Speaker 3: he could have kept acting as long as he wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, you know, I'm good. I've had
Speaker 2: a career.
Speaker 3: Well, and you know what's cool is he wrote a
Speaker 3: couple of books also, so he found like a new
Speaker 3: you know, passion, hobby, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: And I love that, Like maybe, yeah, he had done
Speaker 3: what he felt like he needed to do or all
Speaker 3: that he wanted to do when it came to acting,
Speaker 3: so then he found another thing to invest themself. And yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't only see that. Yeah, it's refreshing. You know.
Speaker 2: What are some of your you mentioned Crimson Tide, What
Speaker 2: are some of your other favorites?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I like Superman obviously was really big.
Speaker 3: I'm just like looking through his things. I'm actually they're
Speaker 3: the obvious ones, right, like, yeah, the conversation and stuff,
Speaker 3: but like I'm looking at the ones that I've kind
Speaker 3: of forgotten about, like the Firm, Oh sure, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: or the Quick and the Dead. Of course he's so
Speaker 3: just so recently. Yeah, I mean he's a real sob
Speaker 3: in that movie. It's it's so good, and I'll admit
Speaker 3: there's ones in here I'm looking at that. I feel
Speaker 3: like I haven't seen that. I want to watch. I've
Speaker 3: never seen French Connection two. Kind of curious.
Speaker 2: I think I've said before. I'm like, it's it's more
Speaker 2: Popeye Doyle. It's not as good as the first one,
Speaker 2: but Shirting it's a it's a perfectly fine movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Or Postcards from the Edge, I've never seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean there's a lot, a lot of
Speaker 3: work here to dig through. Mississippi Burning, I think is
Speaker 3: a terrific movie. You know, I've never seen that. I
Speaker 3: recognized the poster as a VHS case.
Speaker 2: From my childhood, right, Yeah, Like, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's it's uh, Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe investigating, you know,
Speaker 2: hate crimes in Mississippi's Lex luthoran the Green Goblin teaming up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right, that's a that's a very good one.
Speaker 3: He's in Monny. Yes, I don't know that movie. I've
Speaker 3: seen it.
Speaker 2: Bonnie and Clyde has kind of put him on the map, right,
Speaker 2: he's Clyde's brother.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's been a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, I would say, because that that's what really
Speaker 2: got the ball rolling for him, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bat twenty one, that's like a movie that used
Speaker 3: to be on like Fox thirty two on a Saturday.
Speaker 3: It's like bringing back memories classic.
Speaker 2: There's the.
Speaker 3: It was a movie with with Hugh Grant called Extreme
Speaker 3: he Measures. Yep, I'm looking at it here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I've always liked that one too, you know,
Speaker 2: the bird Cage that's like a I've never seen that.
Speaker 3: That's a blind spot for me. I gotta watch that one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of a lot of very
Speaker 2: good movies. And Runaway Jury you talk about it's it's
Speaker 2: him and and Dustin Hoffman on opposite sides of a
Speaker 2: of a legal war. I'm like, come on, man, a
Speaker 2: chance to watch these two guys square off totally?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, So uh, That's kind of the great thing is
Speaker 2: you look at his filmography and more often than not,
Speaker 2: you've got some really good movies waiting for you.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So so a life well lived and a career that
Speaker 3: is enviable regardless of what industry when happens to be
Speaker 3: in you know, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Other news I thought this. This literally just happened as
Speaker 2: as we as we hopped on, Joseph Wamba passed away.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wasn't familiar with him, but you started telling
Speaker 3: me about him in his career and how influential he was,
Speaker 3: and I'm excited to talk about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so uh, he's a he was an ex
Speaker 2: cop who he started out writing. He wrote for TV,
Speaker 2: he wrote for procedurals like Dragnet and whatnot. But what
Speaker 2: he started to do by virtue of his novels he wrote,
Speaker 2: he wrote a book called The New Centurions, which was
Speaker 2: kind of a real seminal work in terms of getting
Speaker 2: into the inner the inner turmoil of police, right, and
Speaker 2: that was in turn what led to the creation of
Speaker 2: shows like Police Story in the seventies, and that in
Speaker 2: turn led directly to your NPD Blues or or I mean,
Speaker 2: gosh even er, you know, to something like like Hill
Speaker 2: Street Blues NYPD, but like the idea of of police
Speaker 2: officers who are not just impervious and you know and
Speaker 2: Jack Webb, you know, and Dragnet, but they they are
Speaker 2: they have insecurities and everything else, and they grapple with
Speaker 2: the consequence of what they do. You know, the stuff
Speaker 2: that makes for great drama. And so again you get
Speaker 2: your Hill Street Blues, you get air M and IPD
Speaker 2: and seriously Er, which is not a cop show, but
Speaker 2: but it it takes that same approach, right, the inner
Speaker 2: turmoil of somebody who is in essence serving the public
Speaker 2: right And and you don't get the wire and any
Speaker 2: of this stuff, you know, without what Joseph Wamba did.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a whole unit in my media
Speaker 2: class where I talk about police procedurals and so Wamba,
Speaker 2: you know, has a pretty pretty big chunk of that history.
Speaker 2: You know, he gets he gets to claim that The
Speaker 2: New Centurions was was a movie and it started oh gosh,
Speaker 2: Georgia Scott. It starred Georgy Scott, and it's pretty great.
Speaker 2: It's based on his book.
Speaker 3: Yes, I say here in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, that's we're worth watching, you know.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, yeah, amazing, isn't it Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 3: Sometimes it just takes one person to lock onto something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then that's just the thing that everything else takes
Speaker 3: its cues from.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it's it's I would think, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, over the course of his career, with the
Speaker 2: course of his life spent, he saw the ups and
Speaker 2: downs of how policing was perceived, and you know, I
Speaker 2: mean that was something he always maintained. He kept one
Speaker 2: foot in by virtue of the writing that he did.
Speaker 2: He was writing up through the twenty tens.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, there's a whole series of books called
Speaker 2: called the Hollywood Station Series which which look at you know,
Speaker 2: local police versus you know, the federal the federal role
Speaker 2: in policing and stuff. Really interesting stuff and certainly a
Speaker 2: very distinctive point of view. And again we can get
Speaker 2: into things like copaganda and all that stuff, which is
Speaker 2: still very you know, those are heated conversations. But in
Speaker 2: terms of the drama that has emerged, you know, I
Speaker 2: I think that The Wire, which is a show that
Speaker 2: you absolutely adore, and YPD Blue people know how I
Speaker 2: feel about that. You know, these are these are beacons,
Speaker 2: you know, of good drama, and they wouldn't exist if
Speaker 2: not for for things that Joseph Wamba sort of shot
Speaker 2: shone a light on.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, so R I P R I P certainly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Well I think I hear some music, Brian, So I
Speaker 2: think that means we have some Star Wars.
Speaker 3: News finally again, right. I mean it's uh, this used
Speaker 3: to be a reoccurring thing that we'd have every single week.
Speaker 3: It was a it was a regular feature. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: people people look.
Speaker 2: Forward to it.
Speaker 3: Families would gather around their iPhones. He's a sh here
Speaker 3: it comes here, right, And it's funny. I was picturing
Speaker 3: like one of those big stand up radios and kids
Speaker 3: running in with their dinner plates and lying on the ground.
Speaker 2: With their bowls of C three pos cereal.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they're hearing the Star Wars music. But they
Speaker 3: weren't like, oh, the continuing Adventures of Luke Skywalker. They're
Speaker 3: like no, no, Brian and Zachy are talking. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: have opinions. Yeah. Well it's you know, this is kind
Speaker 3: of appropriate that we're even talking about that specifically, because
Speaker 3: I feel like we started Star Wars News probably because
Speaker 3: of this sale yeh, from Lucas to Disney and bringing
Speaker 3: in Kathleen Kennedy right to oversee lucasfilm. And now this
Speaker 3: week we've learned that she will be stepping down maybe
Speaker 3: not what we don't know. Wait, I thought she was retiring.
Speaker 2: It's a moving target because she has said, she has said.
Speaker 2: She herself said I am not retiring.
Speaker 3: I should. It's so funny. The only reason I said
Speaker 3: retires because I had the article in front of me
Speaker 3: and I saw that word not retiring. Of course, because
Speaker 3: she said, yes, she's never going to retire from filmmaking.
Speaker 3: She said she's going to die making movies. But I
Speaker 3: thought she was thinking about bringing someone up into her
Speaker 3: role and she would then show them the ropes, train them,
Speaker 3: and then step down in the near future. Is that
Speaker 3: correct or is that well?
Speaker 2: So that's the that's the confusing aspect of all of this,
Speaker 2: because because essentially what we had was a situation where
Speaker 2: we're earlier this week as we record this, there's a
Speaker 2: guy from Puck News named Matt Baloney who apparently dropped
Speaker 2: some blogoney Brian yes, because he put a very breathless report.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: She's out of here. She's been shown the door. Don't
Speaker 2: let the door hit you. Where the Lord split you,
Speaker 2: That's what Bob Iger said, according to according to Boloney, yeah,
Speaker 2: so so, and then of course this really started making
Speaker 2: making the rounds everywhere. She's out the door, and you know,
Speaker 2: contextualizing this a little bit, you know, for the last
Speaker 2: several years, there are portions of the Internet, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say the shittiest portions of the Internet which have been
Speaker 2: like Star Wars is woke because Kathleen Kennedy and show
Speaker 2: her the door and whatever. Right, so they were they
Speaker 2: were salivating over this news. However, according to Kathleen Kennedy,
Speaker 2: she's what she's saying is, look, at some point I
Speaker 2: need to think about, well, who's gonna take over. We
Speaker 2: need to have a succession plan in place. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean I'm retiring anytime soon, I see now. According to her,
Speaker 2: she's like, look, there's no chaos or anything. This is
Speaker 2: just we're just you know, these are this is the
Speaker 2: stuff you do in a company.
Speaker 3: M m. Maybe that's true.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know enough. Brian. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a naive bumpkin from from the Midwest.
Speaker 3: Well, it feels like a pretty consuming role. She's done
Speaker 3: it for over a decade. I you know, lucasfilm Star
Speaker 3: Wars whatever is not necessarily her her baby, right, so
Speaker 3: it makes sense she was raising George Lucas's baby kind
Speaker 3: of yeah, like bring it in, bringing it into a
Speaker 3: new era. And then uh, you know hand over the reins,
Speaker 3: and like she said, I mean she's a producer. She's
Speaker 3: been producing since freaking Raiders the Lost Arc, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm sure there's other worlds she wants to to shepherd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I don't, I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, and I I think there's the truth is
Speaker 2: probably somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, by the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: mean to sound naive. I mean yeah. I think the
Speaker 3: problem is that.
Speaker 2: Even if she was making some noise about, hey, we
Speaker 2: need to find a succession plan, I think that it's
Speaker 2: very important both for her and for Disney to not
Speaker 2: make it seem like the trolls claimed a scalp.
Speaker 3: Right, And I don't even know that they necessarily did.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure she's probably don't.
Speaker 2: Like it, but they don't. They don't want to give
Speaker 2: the perception.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, but I'm sure she's probably gained a
Speaker 3: few gray hairs and is like, all right, I did
Speaker 3: what I said I do, and I've accomplished some things
Speaker 3: here that I can be proud of, and you know,
Speaker 3: time to move on.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, right, Like number one, she's done
Speaker 2: the job for what thirteen years now, And I say
Speaker 2: this all the time. I'm like, who the hell would
Speaker 2: want to do this job? I'd say, let's say she
Speaker 2: leaves tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody is going to be like not it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you would think, right right, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Who it is. I don't care if it's Dave Feloni
Speaker 2: or John Favreau or George Lucas.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean you're just no matter what, you're
Speaker 3: walking in front of a firing squad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So that that's kind of the issue.
Speaker 2: So in that sense, I think Disney would be like, look,
Speaker 2: stay as long as you want like that, that would
Speaker 2: be my guess. Like, I think, on balance, she has
Speaker 2: She's shepherded the franchise in a decent enough way, and
Speaker 2: not to say that it has been perfect, but I
Speaker 2: you know, just off the top of my head, I
Speaker 2: feel like there have been more more more successes than not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean, we're we're pretty honest
Speaker 3: about it. You know, there's things we've connected with, there's
Speaker 3: things we haven't. You know, if you really who knows
Speaker 3: how long in history lucasfilm is going to be a thing.
Speaker 3: But if you look at it, let's just say it.
Speaker 3: It'll lasts for oh wow, it probably has lasted for
Speaker 3: fifty years. I was gonna say fifty cause snl. But
Speaker 3: let's say one hundred years. Okay. If Lucas isn't gonna
Speaker 3: be there forever, and you look at as this long,
Speaker 3: long timeline, of course, you'd look at the Lucas years,
Speaker 3: and then you look at the whatever transition is next.
Speaker 3: Of course, there's going to be like a slight little
Speaker 3: dip because people have to what is your identity without
Speaker 3: George Lucas? What is lucasfilm without Lucas? Yeah, right, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a transition period and then they're gonna figure
Speaker 3: out what works what doesn't. And then in the long
Speaker 3: span of its timeline, of course, it's probably gonna find
Speaker 3: some highs again, probably gonna find some lows again. And
Speaker 3: it's a experiment with other things, and that's just kind
Speaker 3: of the way it goes, you know, with something that's
Speaker 3: going to exist for this long you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm I'm contextualizing this with last week's news about
Speaker 2: Amazon taking over the James Bond franchise. Yeah, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, if anybody listening to this is interested in
Speaker 2: our thoughts on that. We did an in depth conversation
Speaker 2: for a good half hour on our Patreon feed, So
Speaker 2: if you want to hear our thoughts on that, it's
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Zaki especially, he's got feelings because he's he's you know,
Speaker 3: he's big Bond fan. So I was, I was pretty
Speaker 3: interested to hear what you thought about it.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's it's easy to sort of just be
Speaker 2: cynical about all of it, right, like it's just more
Speaker 2: corporate product, and and I I hesitate to do that
Speaker 2: because I'm like, well, these are still made by people,
Speaker 2: and I I think it's possible to have people making
Speaker 2: this this corporate product that's compelling and meaningful and whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, the Marvel Universe is this
Speaker 2: big expansive thing, but like it like Kevin Figy is
Speaker 2: still the guy doing it m hm, and you know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't always get on base, but for the most part,
Speaker 2: he's he's kept that thing, you know that they're he's
Speaker 2: kept our interest, you know. Yeah, And and so I
Speaker 2: think it's possible to whether we're talking about Star Wars
Speaker 2: or James Bond, that to find people who care and
Speaker 2: want it to be you know, the best it can be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I'm probably just gonna repeat
Speaker 3: exactly what you said, but like that was sort of
Speaker 3: where I landed with the whole Amazon Bond thing, because yes,
Speaker 3: I do feel a little cynical about it, where it
Speaker 3: just becomes something that used to be owned and curated
Speaker 3: by the people in the family, you know, in the
Speaker 3: families who created it, so they would rather make a
Speaker 3: good movie than have something that hits a certain timeline
Speaker 3: for a good quarterly profit. Right, And so now that
Speaker 3: it's owned by a company that wants to figure out
Speaker 3: how to make their streaming service profitable, you can be
Speaker 3: certain it's going to be exploited to some degree. The
Speaker 3: hope then, is that the people who are put in
Speaker 3: charge of the creative aspects of it really give a
Speaker 3: crap about James Bond. So it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: if the show's going to exist, let's make it the
Speaker 3: best darn show possible. Yeah. Right, So I guess both
Speaker 3: can be true. You can be a little cynical about
Speaker 3: it but also kind of hopeful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a hard place to find yourself, because
Speaker 2: you know, it's just easier to be cynical.
Speaker 3: I think I'm feeling more cynical than I have in
Speaker 3: a long time because I'm getting that well with the
Speaker 3: Bond thing. But I was hearing about like dark, dark,
Speaker 3: stubbly Brian, Yes, yeah, this is a Spider Man three,
Speaker 3: Peter Parker, Brian. What does he say like under his breath?
Speaker 3: Like does he whisper something like cool? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't remember, and he's like snaps in a jazz
Speaker 3: trio place. But no, I think when I heard Goonies
Speaker 3: two was actually like in the process of being developed
Speaker 3: at least that was like what the straw that brokes Brian's.
Speaker 2: Back broke inside of you that day?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean look at not that it hasn't already happened.
Speaker 3: I mean you really think about it. I mean Top
Speaker 3: Gun two. If you had said that five years ago,
Speaker 3: you'd be like, stop, just top top two. It doesn't
Speaker 3: need to happen. It can't possibly be good. Like it's locked.
Speaker 3: It's locked in time in the eighties. It's an artifact.
Speaker 3: It can't be replicated. But they did it, you know,
Speaker 3: Maverick's pretty pretty darn good. But it also makes you realize, oh, well,
Speaker 3: then with that success, why wouldn't they do Goonies too.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they do? But I get a little weirder
Speaker 3: about Goonies because the thing is, what works about that
Speaker 3: movie is like eighties childhood magic, and you can't like
Speaker 3: they're grown up, they're different. It won't be the same.
Speaker 3: When you do a sequel, you inherently have to undo
Speaker 3: every happy ending you did in the previous movie because
Speaker 3: you need to give them drama. I don't want to
Speaker 3: see how the Goonies kids divorced and unhappy, you know,
Speaker 3: And then you've got that.
Speaker 2: Let me a spoiler, that will for sure be the
Speaker 2: case for at least half of.
Speaker 3: Them, right or yeah, yeah, or one will have spent
Speaker 3: all the treasure in his destitute now, you know. And
Speaker 3: then they're gonna have these kids. And then it's like, really,
Speaker 3: you're gonna really try to recreate Lightning in a bottle
Speaker 3: with this like kid cast that we're all gonna love.
Speaker 3: And it's just a really tall order. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: they can't do it, but it's a tall order. And
Speaker 3: it just made me. People have been saying this for
Speaker 3: a long time, and I've been trying to be Pollyanna
Speaker 3: about it, but it's just like nothing is sacred anymore.
Speaker 3: Nothing is like it's all there to be exploited and
Speaker 3: to make all these companies streaming services stay afloat.
Speaker 2: And then I'm sort of sorry, Brian. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 2: fascinated by the fact that I'm kind of at a
Speaker 2: more sanguine place about all of this than you are,
Speaker 2: which is new terrain and from this show.
Speaker 3: You know what, though, I it's not like this is
Speaker 3: keeping me up at night or anything, but I'm sort
Speaker 3: of resigned to it. I guess it's.
Speaker 2: Like, see, I reached resignation like a while ago. I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of See.
Speaker 3: Then I will reach sanguine soon. I'm I'm in the
Speaker 3: sort of defeated. Well, that's just the way it is now,
Speaker 3: you know, and we're not gonna that's not entirely true,
Speaker 3: but there's not a lot of new things being created
Speaker 3: so we can have sequels down the line. We're just
Speaker 3: continuing to pummel and exploit everything that already exists and
Speaker 3: everything that's beloved that hasn't been exploited yet, like is
Speaker 3: now you know it's gonna happen. Back to the future,
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this is my thought right like like
Speaker 2: two thousand and you know, summer of twenty twelve. One
Speaker 2: thing you knew is that there's not going to be
Speaker 2: any Star Wars without George Lucas says So, there's not
Speaker 2: gonna be any James Bond without the Broccolis say so,
Speaker 2: And there's not gonna be any Back to the Future
Speaker 2: without the Bobs say so. Well, two of those bulwarks
Speaker 2: are now gone. So right now, right now, Back to
Speaker 2: the Future is a load bearing structure in my psyche.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even want to have this pass my lips,
Speaker 3: but also e t.
Speaker 2: But see, I think ET what works in favor of
Speaker 2: that never being revisited is that the re release flop
Speaker 2: so spectacularly.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I don't know why this is such like
Speaker 3: an inside joke between the two of us, but it's
Speaker 3: so true. It is it is. I mean, there's that
Speaker 3: that that Onion article we cite all the time right
Speaker 3: where it's like hed toys forced on uninterested children. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Although my friend Michael Olson literally texted me last night
Speaker 3: as I was walking out of The Brutalist. He wrote
Speaker 3: me this nice long text about showing ET to his
Speaker 3: kids and talking about what he wasn't sure if it
Speaker 3: would work, and they're varying ages. Some of them are
Speaker 3: quite young, and it worked on all of them. He said.
Speaker 3: They all cried, oh sure, I mean my kids love
Speaker 3: eat Yeah, And he said his I think I think
Speaker 3: it was his youngest and he's like, you know, poppatrawl,
Speaker 3: these sorts of things. He said. He turned to his
Speaker 3: dad at the end of the movie and said, that
Speaker 3: was the best movie I've ever seen. Wow, look at that.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, all right, maybe they
Speaker 3: don't want the toys.
Speaker 2: C Brian in the corner like mister Miagi at the
Speaker 2: end of the Karate Kid.
Speaker 3: Right. You know what, though I've literally missed it up
Speaker 3: reading that I really did it, I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is that movie imprint printed on me in such
Speaker 3: a powerful way as a child that I just I'm
Speaker 3: really moved hearing that kids are still moved by et
Speaker 3: So absolutely that can be true, and the fact that
Speaker 3: they don't want little action figures of him can also
Speaker 3: be true.
Speaker 2: So no, but but but this is the thing. Look,
Speaker 2: I hate to say this, but if the Broccolis can
Speaker 2: sign over James Bond to me back to the future,
Speaker 2: the clock is ticking, if you'll pardon the pun.
Speaker 3: You know what, though, I thought I just saw an interview.
Speaker 3: Someone emailed it to me. I apologize. I don't remember who,
Speaker 3: but it was the karate kid thing, Cobra Kai. The
Speaker 3: creators of Cobra Kai said they have a pitch. Yeah
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the final episode kind of like nods at that.
Speaker 2: Oh really okay in a funny way, which like, look,
Speaker 2: you know that that whoever is in charge at Universal
Speaker 2: whenever it happens, would be chomping at bits to get
Speaker 2: right to get that. Yeah, yeah, back in theaters. And again, look,
Speaker 2: whether it happens or doesn't happen, it's at this point
Speaker 2: I'm like, I rule nothing out. Mm hmmm, because again,
Speaker 2: you know, two of the pillars have already fallen.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: At some point, and you just have to kind of
Speaker 2: find your zen place where you're just like, well, this
Speaker 2: is my version is still there, it's there forever, and
Speaker 2: this new one maybe it'll be good, maybe it won't.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I will say that has been a saving grace for me,
Speaker 3: is that I have reached that with cultural things where
Speaker 3: I yeah, I used to be disheartened by a movie
Speaker 3: like Crystal Skull or something like that. But now, nah,
Speaker 3: I guess maybe you have to experience those things and
Speaker 3: have some time past to realize that the thing you
Speaker 3: love continues. You will always continue to love that thing,
Speaker 3: it will always continue exists, and that can be the
Speaker 3: one you keep going back to. You don't have to
Speaker 3: go to this other stuff.
Speaker 2: I remember, I mean speaking of Karate Kid, I remember
Speaker 2: when the remake came out in twenty ten, Yeah, and folks,
Speaker 2: a lot of folks were upset about that. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I was one of the few people who was like,
Speaker 2: it's actually not that bad.
Speaker 3: I remember that. I remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, when it comes to the whole
Speaker 2: Star Wars of it all, it is like, to me,
Speaker 2: no matter who takes over, what you realize is it's
Speaker 2: like Simpson's Season twenty eight, and it's not. It's not
Speaker 2: season five. It can never be season five, and so
Speaker 2: you have to judge it for what it is and
Speaker 2: either like or dislike it as its own thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and these things are becoming like corporate, you know,
Speaker 3: like I don't know if this is a great comparison,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, something like Star Wars is almost like McDonald's.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's an American institution now, right,
Speaker 3: And so it will continue on and for a minute,
Speaker 3: they might decide they can make milkshakes quicker using chemicals
Speaker 3: or you know, it might not taste quite the same.
Speaker 3: But then someone might go, no, no, we tried that
Speaker 3: and it doesn't feel right. And then you know, and
Speaker 3: then we'll start us an ice cream again. Who knows
Speaker 3: like it's it's not going anywhere. It's going to last
Speaker 3: for a long time, and we will see ups and
Speaker 3: downs because of that. I think you know what to
Speaker 3: deliver that is that is.
Speaker 2: The most hopeful and optimistic place that I think we
Speaker 2: can leave this episode at.
Speaker 3: Well, I do think it's worth mentioning one more thing
Speaker 3: which I didn't realize. Kathleen Kennedy confirmed that there is
Speaker 3: going to be well, I know, I know how this goes,
Speaker 3: but but you know what, I think it's worth saying.
Speaker 3: Sean Levy has a Star Wars movie coming up. Apparently
Speaker 3: that will be the next movie in production after Mandalorian
Speaker 3: and Grogu and apparently it's set to star Ryan Gosling,
Speaker 3: which that's interesting. We talked about that I yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess so, or maybe I didn't know that that
Speaker 3: had come from her directly, but yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's set. That's kind of its own thing.
Speaker 2: It's not a Saga movie. They've still got the ray
Speaker 2: whatever the hell that's gonna end up being happening. And
Speaker 2: then Simon Kinberg m hm. So you know this is
Speaker 2: like a Mangold all right, the Dawn of the Jedi. Think, well,
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's some interesting stuff in the pipeline.
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens. I guess.
Speaker 3: And you know what, though, with the Ray thing, I
Speaker 3: will say this favorably as I've just sort of compared
Speaker 3: you know, this stuff to like mass production and they've
Speaker 3: got to please a corporate overlord and whatever. They could
Speaker 3: very well have just been like, well, we haven't quite
Speaker 3: cracked it, but we told Disney we'd have a ray
Speaker 3: movie by twenty twenty five, so you know, get the
Speaker 3: cameras rolling. But they haven't. Yeah, you know, I hopefully
Speaker 3: they've you know, taken some lessons from certain things and
Speaker 3: been like.
Speaker 2: Hey, we'll do it own trilogy of sequels. Wait, what
Speaker 2: like their own trilogy.
Speaker 3: Of see sure? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: this isn't working, Like, well, then let's we we won't
Speaker 3: roll cameras till we find it. That's what I hope
Speaker 3: is happening over there. What a concept.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a hopeful place to leave things.
Speaker 3: Actually, I have some unfortunate place, Zachy. God damn it,
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. Uh yeah, I just I want to
Speaker 3: I want to be in my zen place.
Speaker 2: I don't want to live there for a little while.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Same.
Speaker 2: Uh well, hey, but let's let us know your thoughts
Speaker 2: on on the state of the Star Wars franchise. Should
Speaker 2: Kathleen Kennedy uh get get tossed out all uh jazz
Speaker 2: on fresh prints or you know, maybe uh the have
Speaker 2: have a little bit of time where where she where
Speaker 2: she co heads the studio with with somebody with with
Speaker 2: new ideas, different ideas. Maybe she can handle the you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like what DC has where James Gunn doing
Speaker 2: the creative end and Peter Saffern doing the money in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe maybe something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think, you know, Jon Favreau would be
Speaker 2: smart to stay as far away from that job as possible.
Speaker 3: I think so too. I don't know if he wants
Speaker 3: to be like in a boardroom, you know, like I
Speaker 3: want to see him make more movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Now he directed the Mandalorian movie, right, I
Speaker 2: believe so yeah, Okay, Which again, it's weird how that's
Speaker 2: that's this summer? Right, isn't it that this year?
Speaker 3: Isn't it the next one? Oh? In twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2: Now didn't they finished shooting it like four years ago
Speaker 2: or something?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just looking at an article on Kizmoto.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, look, when it comes to Star Wars,
Speaker 2: I've said it all along, we need to increase the scarcity.
Speaker 2: So that's fine, take take as long as you need.
Speaker 2: But I think the movie is done shooting, so I
Speaker 2: do wonder why they're just kind of sitting on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know that's right, but maybe you do.
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