WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:09.960 Welcome Friends Podcast podcasting time show Jack again, Bryan, they're 2 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:14.240 talking to black. 3 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.280 Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three hundred and eleven, 4 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:22.679 brought to you by Mister Boy Productions. I'm Zachiysan. I'm 5 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:25.239 here with Brian Hall, and it is the last day 6 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:25.960 of February. 7 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.199 Oh yeah, wow, yeah, no Leapier. 8 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.560 For us, that's right, not this year, not a one 9 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:37.159 in four proposition this time. Yeah. 10 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.200 Do you have friends that were born on Leapier? 11 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:44.520 I I'm sure I do, And nobody comes to mind 12 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:45.799 off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure. 13 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:46.159 Yeah. 14 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:46.399 Yeah. 15 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:48.280 When I was growing up, one of my best friends 16 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.560 had a leap your birthday, and so, you know, as 17 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:54.320 was our way, we'd be like you're only two, you know, 18 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:57.799 like you're only threes. Yeah, it was really funny. It 19 00:00:58.479 --> 00:00:59.399 holds up as a joke. 20 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:03.880 It's it's it's quality comedy. 21 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:04.920 Yeah, it's timeless. 22 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:10.000 How you doing you know, it's it's uh, it's nice. 23 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.120 I mean, you know, we're we're recording on a on 24 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:14.280 a Friday morning, So definitely I'm feeling a little bit 25 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:17.159 of the relaxation of the week coming to a close. 26 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.319 Yeah yeah, wait, actually that's the opposite of what I 27 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.640 would expect you to say. I mean, are you feeling 28 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.760 like the weekend will offer some relaxation or is that 29 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:27.760 when things get busy? 30 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.760 Well, for me, I make it a point to to 31 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.040 have as little to do on the weekends as possible. 32 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:35.040 Mm hm. 33 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.840 So that's I'm because because I'm I'm hustling all week 34 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:39.719 and I really I just need I need my I 35 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:42.719 need my me time. Oh yeah, on the weekend. So 36 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.200 so I'm kind of I'm I'm in the ramp down period. 37 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:51.200 I'm I'm making an active effort to to like keep 38 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.519 just the news of the world to one side. Like I'm, I'm, 39 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.200 I have a feeling this is something many of our 40 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:01.560 listeners are trying to figure out. How to balance knowing 41 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:06.519 everything that's going on with knowing everything that's going on. 42 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.280 It's hard when so much news makes your body tighten, Yes, 43 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.599 because you're like, how much more tightening can my body do? 44 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:16.479 So true. 45 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:19.919 So one thing I've been doing a lot of is 46 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.280 I've made it a point that like when I'm in 47 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.080 the car in the morning, I will I will put 48 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:28.719 on some news and just get a sense of what's 49 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.319 going on, and then that is my news for the day. 50 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:38.280 You know, I would say maybe something similar, but I 51 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.280 mean I'll still click on articles and whatnot. But something 52 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:44.680 I've really enjoyed is I subscribe to the Washington Post. Sure, 53 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:48.000 they have something called the Seven, okay, and so in 54 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.240 the morning they'll shoot out an email that will have 55 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.199 seven major news stories with bullet points and there's links 56 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.080 if you want to go deeper. But it gives you 57 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:59.759 an idea, like an overview of the major stories of 58 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.680 them moments. And I've really found that to be a 59 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.599 good way to sort of start the day, you know, 60 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:07.319 kind of have a general idea of what's going on, 61 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.919 and then if I'm want to learn more and then 62 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:11.080 you got can dig in. 63 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:15.680 I literally, just just two days ago canceled my subscription 64 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:16.319 to the Post. 65 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:18.319 Oh yeah yeah. 66 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.520 And if I'm being honest, it was a very difficult 67 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.639 decision because I'm somebody I believe in the importance of journalism. 68 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:26.400 I believe that if you want news, you have to 69 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:30.439 pay for it. I'm I'm I'm a big supporter of like, 70 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:33.840 you got to pay for the news, yep. And uh, 71 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:36.039 you know, for those listening just as a stickpin in time, 72 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:40.199 you know, Jeff Bezos, who owns the the who owns 73 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:40.599 the Post? 74 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.560 He he he went full Lex Luthor. Heel, turn, you 75 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:46.560 got ahead of me because I was gonna say, well, see, 76 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:49.000 you've always been a superman guy. I'm kind of a 77 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:54.719 Lex Luthor guy. It's literally like like, this is like 78 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.400 if Lex buys. 79 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.599 The planet, the Daily Planet, that is, you know. And 80 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:01.879 so he basically put out this edict that from now 81 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:06.199 on the editorial page of the op ed section of 82 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:10.520 the Post will only cover personal liberty and free markets. 83 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.520 Yeah yeah, And I'm like, so the free thought section 84 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.600 of the newspaper, now. 85 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.720 Yeah, is my thoughts only, you know? And I literally 86 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.120 I was like, that could not be more super villainy 87 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:26.160 if he was brandishing a shard of kryptonite while putting 88 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:30.079 that memo out. You know, yes, what else do I 89 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:32.800 do if you don't laugh your cry? I've been a 90 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.120 subscriber to the Post for literally decades. At this point, 91 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.360 I was like, I can't do it. 92 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:44.839 You know, well, I do want to mention if anyone 93 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.519 is interested. I'm not judging, no, no, no, I'm just kidding. Sorry, no, 94 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:49.279 but I was going to say, you don't have to 95 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:54.519 subscribe for that, And I actually I don't subscribe to it. 96 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.480 And by the way, this isn't me like backpedaling, because 97 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.519 but I promise I was not trying to put you 98 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.560 in an awkward But if anyone found that format intriguing, 99 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:03.959 I'm sure there are other places that do it too. 100 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.319 It doesn't but you don't actually have to subscribe just 101 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:08.240 to get those bullet points of the major news stories. 102 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.600 Yeah, I think that's good. Yeah, and it's by the way, 103 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.519 I should say the news operation at the Post that 104 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:17.000 the journalists are doing amazing things. Yeah, trying really hard 105 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.680 under very difficult circumstances. But this gets to something. 106 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.160 Broader, which is like maybe maybe. 107 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:27.759 You know, just like conglomerates and billionaires owning all the 108 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.319 news is not a great idea, I know. 109 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.480 I mean it's novel thought, right, Like, let's not have 110 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.879 people whose interests involve billions of dollars, yeah, in charge 111 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:42.720 of the information we receive. 112 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:49.720 So I was really wrestling with this earlier this week 113 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.560 because I was reading about how I don't know if 114 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:56.759 you heard about this, but you know, Donald Trump, as 115 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:01.639 a candidate before you even became president, was suing sixty minutes, yes, right, 116 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:06.360 because he alleged that he alleged election interference because they 117 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.480 interviewed Kamala Harris and they edited the interview in order 118 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.600 to fit in, you know, the time slot, which like, yeah, 119 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.720 that's how it works. That's that's how interviews work. You 120 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.439 edit them. That's I do interviews for the print for 121 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.120 the newspaper all the time. That's just how it is. 122 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.639 Yeah, yeah, I mean you see it often in print. 123 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.759 We'll say condensed for clarity and you know whatever exactly. 124 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:27.639 That's just that's just common practice. 125 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.360 And and and by the way, Donald Trump knows it's 126 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:31.160 common practice. 127 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:31.439 Right. 128 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.079 But sixty Minutes, which is owned by CBS, which is 129 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.120 part of Paramount Corporation, is about to be acquired by 130 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:44.839 sky Dance, and so that acquisition requires, you know, a 131 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:50.319 federal approval, and so in order to grease the skids 132 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:57.079 for that acquisition, CBS will likely settle the lawsuit, even 133 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:59.279 though it's a joke lawsuit to the two whatever, it 134 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.040 is twenty five million, So it's literally it's like a 135 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:06.040 twenty five million dollars bribe. Wow, right, And this is 136 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:09.600 not conspiracy talk, Yeah, this is just what's happening. And 137 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:14.519 my point is, like, in a broader sense, this is 138 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:16.879 not good. It's just not good because the precedent it 139 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:22.399 sets is horrific. It diminishes the value of actual journalism, 140 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.480 and it diminishes their ability to actually hold power to 141 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.160 account if powers like actually don't hold power to account, 142 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:31.040 right you know? Yeah, so I don't know. That's where 143 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:35.680 we're at, man, I know, I know. Anyway, So the 144 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.040 point I was making way way earlier was I've been 145 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:40.680 diminishing my news intake, and to make up for that, 146 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:42.439 I've been listening to more audio books. 147 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.040 No, what are you listening to? 148 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:46.759 Well, so I'm currently listening to a book that I 149 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.240 think our listeners would find interesting. And it's called Box 150 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:54.519 Office Poison. Oh yes, you sent me a link to this, Yeah, 151 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.360 so you would. I think you would find it really enjoyable. 152 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:03.839 And basically this is a book by Tim Robi and 153 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:10.399 it's called Hollywood's Story in a Century of Flops. So yeah, 154 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:15.240 crazy right, Yeah, And so you've got essentially going from 155 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:22.279 from nineteen sixteen to twenty nineteen, that's the and so 156 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.360 not every single flop ever, obviously, but certain key flops 157 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.079 and what they said about Hollywood at that moment. 158 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.200 That's fascinating. I like that because I would like to 159 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:34.159 learn about a flop in a time that I know 160 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.960 nothing about. Because you can see, you know, probably things 161 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.840 that feel familiar. It also teaches something about the era. Yeah. 162 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.600 So for example, the very first chapter is about a 163 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:48.679 movie called Intolerance, which was directed by d. W. Griffith. 164 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.240 You know, you know Griffith, right, heeded Birth of a Nation. 165 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.080 So after doing Birth of a Nation, which is just 166 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.840 a horrifically racist, awful movie, he tried to be like, no, 167 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.759 I'm not a racist, and he made a movie that's 168 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:04.120 equally offensive for different reasons. And then we've got another 169 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.639 chapter about Dune, the nineteen eighty four Dune. 170 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:09.480 Ah nice. 171 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:15.200 Oh hey, there's a chapter about the Magnificent Embersin's no. Yeah, 172 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.320 well I have to get it exactly. There was actually 173 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:24.000 the couple ones. Actually there was. There was one chapter 174 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:31.559 about the movie super Nova, which it's it's it was 175 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.639 directed by Walter Hill. I think it ended up as 176 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.720 like an Alan Smithy situation. I think, okay, And I 177 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.000 remember watching that in the theater back in two thousand 178 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:40.679 with Paul. 179 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:43.360 Wow two thousand, I was thinking this was this some 180 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:44.639 eighties movie I missed or. 181 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:48.679 No, no, no, yeah, this is more relatively more recent than that. 182 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:51.600 And it's a total catastrophe. But what's hilarious. It's like 183 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:57.960 the sci fi thing, shades of of you know, Event 184 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:02.240 Horizon and kind of but way way worse. And and 185 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:07.039 you've got a pretty decent cast, right, Angela Bassett, James Spader, 186 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.120 and you know, there's a total mess. And so sometimes 187 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.519 you watch these things and you're like, God, this is 188 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.200 the story behind how they made it is almost more interesting? 189 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:16.840 Yeah, sure, sure, that's this. 190 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:18.759 This is actually this one is kind of funny. There's 191 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:23.879 this amazing So it's set in space and there's like 192 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:29.879 a zero gravity love scene okay with Peter Faschinelle and 193 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:35.360 Robin Tunney, Okay, and they're like floating and doing it. Okay, Okay, 194 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:40.360 now wild. So the movie gets shot and it's done, 195 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.519 and then at some point MGM brought in Francis Coppola 196 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:44.519 to try to recut it. 197 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:47.000 Huh okay, And so. 198 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.159 They're trying to recut it, and they're trying to so 199 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.799 I guess the Spader character and the Angela Basset character. 200 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.360 Bear in mind, I've seen this movie. I saw it 201 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:54.120 twenty five years ago. 202 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:54.720 I do not. 203 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.879 Remember what it's about. Sure, it's just vapor. But anyway, 204 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.960 the Spader character angel bass they have a they have 205 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.200 some kind of a romance, and so as they're cutting 206 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:08.440 the movie together, they're trying to highlight the romance between them, 207 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:11.480 but there's no footage. So what they did was they 208 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.200 took this amazing brand. They took the footage from the 209 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.360 Robin Tunny Peter Faschinelli love scene. 210 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.519 Yes, and they digitally. 211 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:28.120 Darkened Robin Tunny and intercut shots of Angela Bassett's face 212 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.679 to make us think it's the same sex scene. But 213 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.639 once it's like, it's the darker version. 214 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:44.919 All right, let's skin tone aside. Let's put that on 215 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.559 the table for a second more. I mean, does their 216 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:49.440 hair even look similar? 217 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.320 No, what they did, it's just like certain shots that 218 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.399 avoid her face and then you just intercut like close 219 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.840 ups of Angela Bassett and James Spader. 220 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.759 I guess part of it. Why I'm even thinking that 221 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:03.919 is in my mind I always picture Robin Tuny with 222 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.080 short hair. I don't know why. The movies I've seen 223 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:06.399 her in. 224 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.159 Yeah no and in this also yeah yeah, So they 225 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:11.639 just like you don't see her face, I. 226 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.840 See, I see. Uh, Well, I gotta google that now 227 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.159 I have to know. So wait, so they did is 228 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.039 that with existing footage of Angela Bassett? Like they didn't 229 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:24.279 bring her in for reshoots just. 230 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.039 No, they just like, you know, probably ends in whatever 231 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:29.159 of her face. 232 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.600 Like so she it's like her eating a meal and 233 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.519 she's like, hmm, that's good, and they're like, oh, for 234 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:35.720 use that. Use that. 235 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.000 I mean, I suppose I'm picturing the editors here just 236 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.000 trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. 237 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.279 It's pretty good, you know. 238 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:47.200 I don't know if I've ever had that come to 239 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:51.519 my mind to say that, I'm really impressed. Secondly, I 240 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:53.399 didn't make it up. No, No, I know, I'm just 241 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:57.120 I have to vocalize how pressed I am. 242 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.919 But so that that by itself was a fascinating like chapter. 243 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.000 See, that's this is the stuff obviously doing this show. 244 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.039 People know we love, like we really love not just 245 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.600 movies but filmmaking and stories like this. I mean, I 246 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:13.399 just yeah, gobble that stuff up. 247 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.679 So there there's another chapter as it happens. And this 248 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.600 is relevant because we were just talking about John mctiernan's 249 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:20.639 chapter about. 250 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:24.240 Roller Ball, which I know was a notorious flop but 251 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.360 I don't know why. I've never even seen it, to 252 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.120 be honest. 253 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.399 Well, you are not alone, we know that. Yeah, that's 254 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:39.440 a weird one, right because because that one it it 255 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.799 effectively killed John mccernan's career right. 256 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:45.759 In a couple of ways, right. I mean there was 257 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.399 the film not performing, But wasn't that the movie where 258 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.799 he was wired tapping a producer on the film. 259 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:52.759 That's exactly right. 260 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:54.399 And I got in trouble for that. I think I 261 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.080 don't even know if he got in much trouble for that, 262 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:57.360 but it was that he lied. 263 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.759 Right, he lied about it? Yeah. Yeah, so that's all, like, 264 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.720 you know, okay, and it really I mean, when you 265 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.799 think about it, what kind of a fifty megaton bomb 266 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.559 must a movie be to kill the career of the 267 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:12.279 guy who made Diehard and Predator? 268 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.559 Yeah? Yeah, Thomas Crown, Like I mean, he's he's made 269 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.919 some bona fide hits. Yeah. 270 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.559 So there's the whole thing that gets into that, and 271 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.960 and it is fascinating because the the I haven't watched 272 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.000 the remake of Rollerball since it came out, but I've 273 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:33.519 seen the the James con one relatively recently, and I'm like, 274 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:36.600 this is a good movie. Hmmm, Like it's a legitimately 275 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:39.559 good movie. It's not cheesy, it's it's pretty good. It's 276 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:41.120 got something to say, it has a point of view, 277 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.320 you know, And so to take whatever that movie had 278 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.080 going for and just turn it into this probably the 279 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:52.480 most two thousand movie you could ever make. 280 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.000 Yeah, I can kind of picture it in my mind. 281 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.320 It has llll cool j right, and Chris Kleine and Chris. 282 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:05.200 Klein in the James conrole. Right there, you got a problem, right, right, 283 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:06.000 you know. 284 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:09.080 I mean that's the thing with him. He gets dumped 285 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.120 on a lot, but I think he was cast badly 286 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:14.720 a lot. That's very good at what he does. 287 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.759 Well, well, that's the thing, right, I mean his his 288 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.679 uh uh, his American Pie character. 289 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.960 Notwithstanding election, he was he was very good just friends, 290 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:27.039 you know, he's good in those Yeah. Well, I I 291 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:29.360 think I think, Wow, I didn't realize we were going 292 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:34.000 to be like the defending Chris Kling. Yeah, he seemed 293 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:35.399 just from election. 294 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:41.720 He seems like a a perfectly cromulent personality, right, just 295 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:42.480 just a nice guy. 296 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.360 He seems like a nice guy. 297 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.960 And that, to me is the problem, at least from 298 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.399 the two that come to mind where they're trying to 299 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.399 have him buck buck his persona which. 300 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.480 Is Rollerball and and that. 301 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:59.200 Street Fighter movie. It's like, well, he's not like a badass. Yeah, yeah, 302 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.399 exactly right, and so why are you trying to force 303 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.080 him into that? And then yeah, I don't know what 304 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:09.240 he's done lately, but that movie, I mean, it pretty 305 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.000 much destroyed everybody's career, you know. 306 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:16.080 Wow. Yeah, and Cis came a call into llll cool 307 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.120 J and he's like yes and jumped on that train 308 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:19.720 car and rode away. 309 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.759 When a CBS procedural knocks onder your door, you damn 310 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.360 sure better better answer. 311 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.720 Yeah, yeah, ll cool J. 312 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:29.399 And Chris O'Donnell both man. 313 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.080 I'll bet you they're sitting there every day. Every day 314 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:33.720 they open. 315 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.799 Their mailbox and there's a little residual check for fourteen 316 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.399 years of NCIS Los Angeles or whatever it is. 317 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.039 Oh man, should be right. 318 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.879 But that's the thing. So, so I was recommended this 319 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.159 book by uh, shoot, you know what. I wish I 320 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:53.879 could remember the person who recommended to me, but but 321 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.200 it was a good recommendation. I've really enjoyed listening to it. 322 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.879 And the great thing is each chapter is about a movie, 323 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.159 but you listen to it all and you're getting a story, 324 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.880 right because because it's all contextualized. So, for example, you 325 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.799 talk about speed Racer and it's not just oh and 326 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.480 speed Racer came out it sucked or whatever, or it flopped. 327 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.839 It's like that year this movie was a big hit, 328 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:21.160 and you know, so it's giving you the moment that 329 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:22.640 the movie emerged into. 330 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.720 Right, right, that's an interesting one too. By the way. 331 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.400 I know it has its fans, Yeah, people that think 332 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.599 it was misunderstood and love it, and it's made me 333 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.519 want to go back and rewatch it, but I just 334 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.839 never am in the mood or something. You know. 335 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.039 I just rewatched it recently, and just for that reason 336 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.920 because exactly what we're saying. I mean, there are people 337 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:47.400 who are very much on board with with what it's offering. 338 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:49.880 And I always say about speed Racer, I'm like, you know, 339 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:52.720 I appreciate that it's doing some kind of kind of 340 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:58.119 off the wall. It's just on a frequency that is 341 00:17:58.160 --> 00:17:59.119 not playing for me. 342 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.880 Mmm, sure, right. 343 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:05.720 I think I think I applaud the watchousekis for for 344 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.799 being like, hey, we're just gonna we're gonna go wild 345 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:13.519 with Warner Brothers money. Yeah, you know, you do that 346 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:16.440 enough and eventually Warner Brothers is gonna stop giving you 347 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.279 its money. Which is it seems to have happened. 348 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:19.160 You know. 349 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.960 Yeah, yeah, interesting, Okay, Okay, well maybe I want then, 350 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.039 So unless everyone wants to write in and persuade. 351 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:28.839 Me, oh, I know, there's plenty of very dedicated fans 352 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.000 of that movie out there, so it does know. But 353 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.240 but like I said, if anybody's interested, the book is 354 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.240 called Box Office Poison, Hollywood Story in a Century of flops, 355 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.359 and and it is very very it's entertaining and informative, 356 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:42.319 all right. 357 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.039 And you say you're doing the audiobook, you enjoy the 358 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.200 the narrator good narration. 359 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:50.119 Yeah, that's always a you know, sometimes you got a 360 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.839 good book with bad narration, right, Yeah. 361 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:54.839 I think I've mentioned this before, and not that it 362 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.440 was bad, but I many many years ago, I tried 363 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.200 to do to Kill a Mockingbird through an audio boo. 364 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:01.839 Just I wanted to revisit it, but I was like, 365 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.079 I'll do it while I'm doing things. And the woman 366 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.480 it was read by this really old woman, and she 367 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:09.880 was talking very slowly even when I sped it up, 368 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.759 and it just I didn't finish it actually I was like, 369 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:14.079 you know, what's screwed this? I'm just gonna read it. 370 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.720 Well, they got you to read, so that's something that's true. 371 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.079 I remember there was a there was a this is 372 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.640 not exactly an audiobook, but it was like an animated 373 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.400 comic of Watchmen. 374 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:30.599 Yeah, I remember that right. 375 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.599 And it was like one person doing all the voices 376 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.640 and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was like an. 377 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.880 Audiobook and I just I was like, I can't take 378 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.319 this seriously, you know. You know that happened to me 379 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.240 when I did the audiobook for eleven twenty two sixty three, 380 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:48.480 the Stephen King Story, which was sure, sure, by the way, 381 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.759 I adored someday I would love to sit down and 382 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.240 read it, but it's just so damn big. I don't know. 383 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.240 But anyway, yes, you had that as man narrating it, 384 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.039 and it's a a love story, so it'll be like 385 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.680 I love you, Josie, I love you too, Brant, you know, 386 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.599 and I'm like that drives men. Yeah, It's like I 387 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.440 could tell it like didn't work for me by a 388 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.960 couple of degrees, even though I did love it overall, 389 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:17.680 where I was like, I don't know, maybe just tire 390 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:21.480 like a woman too, you know, like you know what 391 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:22.759 that that you know what that reminds me. 392 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.440 Sorry, we're doing like a total tangent here, but that 393 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.079 reminds me of the very first audiobook I ever read 394 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:34.599 or heard, excuse me, was Roddy McDowell reading The Batman 395 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.119 eighty nine novelization. 396 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.039 Wow, what a get right. 397 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.240 Back in eighty nine, you know, and I just remember, uh, 398 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.880 it's the scene where you know, you've got the the 399 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:50.480 Harvey Dent press conference, you. 400 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:53.440 Know, uh huh. And then and then Alicia looked at 401 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:55.799 Jack pretty tough talk about Carl. 402 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.960 You know, I'm like, to this day, I remember what 403 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.720 that sounds. 404 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:07.640 It's yeah, yeah. 405 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:07.559 Anyway, did he do his Nicholson? 406 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:09.039 I didn't ask. 407 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.119 I'm glad he didn't. Actually, yeah, that could have gone. 408 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:18.160 He did a joker. That was what I realized in hindsight. 409 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.000 His joker was his mad header, because he was the 410 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:23.359 mad hacker in the series. 411 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.720 Okay, you know I was wondering, Yeah, if you went 412 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.359 a little more Caesar Romero or something, he went a 413 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:30.039 little nuts. 414 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:31.559 Yeah he got nuts. 415 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.599 Yeah, yeah, come on, that's great. 416 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:36.680 Anyway, what have you seen lately, Brian? 417 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.440 I've seen a couple of things. I'll talk about two things, 418 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:41.240 then one thing we both saw, so we can talk 419 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.720 about that. But I saw a movie that I have 420 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:49.039 not heard a lot about called My Dead Friend Zoe. 421 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:50.559 Yes, have you heard of this? 422 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:54.240 I've heard of it, Okay, So apparently it comes out today. 423 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.599 It is a smaller film, but it is from Universal, 424 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:01.119 and it's a story about an arm vet who served 425 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.400 in Afghanistan who comes home and has to take care 426 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.640 of her grandfather played by Ed Harris, and his health 427 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:12.000 is declining, and all the while, she's basically hanging out 428 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.279 with the ghost of her best friend who she was 429 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:19.200 stationed with in Afghanistan. And so and the ghost is 430 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:23.480 a real sort of sarcastic, wise cracking sort of force 431 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:27.240 that drives our hero crazy a little bit. And it's 432 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:31.720 interesting because it's it's basically a dark comedy, like a 433 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:38.359 dramedy ghost story about PTSD. And it's funny because I 434 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.319 really was intrigued by the premise. And I'll have to 435 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:43.759 be honest, like when I started it, I wasn't quite 436 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.559 sure what to make of the movie. At first. It 437 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.119 begins like a little slower paced, and I wasn't sure 438 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:53.759 all the comedy was landing. But you know, I decided, 439 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.640 sorry I should say I saw this as a screener 440 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:57.839 and so I but I decided to stick with it, 441 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.960 and I thought the actors were good. And then it 442 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:04.160 just slowly started to click in the place, the tone, 443 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:09.359 the characters, the story. It starts revealing things, so we 444 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:12.559 start to understand a little bit more context between the friends. 445 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:16.519 And I went from starting the movie a little bit 446 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:20.960 like I appreciate the efforts, you know, to by the 447 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:24.920 end I had tears streaming down my face. Wow, So 448 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:26.599 I would I would say it's a little uneven, but 449 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:31.440 ultimately it was really impactful. And it's worth noting that 450 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:36.160 it was co written and directed by Kyle Hassman Stokes, 451 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:40.119 who himself is a veteran and this movie was inspired 452 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.000 by two friends that he lost. And I really do 453 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:48.200 feel like that enhances what you're watching because you can 454 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:50.680 just sense that this comes from a really personal place. 455 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:54.680 And yeah, I mean by the end of it, when 456 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:56.480 all of a sudden done, I mean, I really do 457 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.000 think it turned out to be a really lovely and 458 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:02.599 affecting tribute to his friends and to veterans and to 459 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.599 anyone's suffering from PTSD. Really pretty powerful by the end. 460 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.839 So that's great. Yeah, yeah, I was really glad that 461 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.640 I got to. Be honest, I don't know if I 462 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.160 would have even heard of it if it hadn't been 463 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.880 sent to me. And I just again for a little 464 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.480 bit of context, I was I couldn't beam it to 465 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:22.960 my TV for some reason, so I had to watch 466 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.240 it on my laptop, which I wasn't crazy about, and 467 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.079 and like you know, I wasn't quite on its wavelength 468 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:31.079 at the beginning, and I did find myself looking around 469 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.640 a little bit. And then to this film's credit, I 470 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:38.599 mean when it started clicking, I forgot all that it 471 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:40.680 had my full attention, and like I said, I had 472 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.200 tears at the end of it. So's it's a first 473 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:52.119 directorial effort from Houseman Stokes, and I think he you know, 474 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.240 like I said, it's very personal, and I think he 475 00:24:54.279 --> 00:25:00.079 did a really great job sort of like distilling complicated thing, 476 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.599 you know, like obviously something from his life, but the 477 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:05.359 way that he was able to turn it into this 478 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:11.319 weird ghost comedy and have me understand something about him 479 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.119 that I don't know that I would have, you know, 480 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.599 understood when just written on paper, Like oh yeah, I 481 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:18.279 came back from this place and I lost a friend 482 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:20.759 and it makes me feel like this. You're like, well, 483 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:24.200 that's oh, that sounds terrible, but like experiencing it through 484 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:28.279 these characters in this unique and interesting take really brought 485 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.599 me into it and made me feel a lot of feelings. 486 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.519 And I think he did a really great job. 487 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:33.839 So that's great. O. 488 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.960 Yeah, I wanted to shut that out and then Zachi, 489 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:44.079 I did it. Last night, I spent three hours and 490 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.079 forty minutes in a movie theater and I finally saw 491 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:52.799 The Brutalist. Was it brutal the experience not the movie? Well, 492 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:55.480 if you ask me, no, you asked my friend, I 493 00:25:55.519 --> 00:26:00.720 don't know what he would say. So for those who 494 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:02.880 don't know, and I, you know what, I didn't really 495 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.680 know what this was about when I went into it. 496 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:10.400 I knew it was about an immigrant immigrating to the 497 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.960 US after World War Two and he's an architect. That's 498 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.720 all I knew. And that is that is what it is. 499 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:21.559 It's a Hungarian Jewish Holocaust survivor comes over to the US. 500 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.359 Prior to the war, he was an architect and once 501 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:27.200 he gets to the US, he's struggling a little bit 502 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:31.839 to find work, and he ends up redesigning a wealthy 503 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:37.440 businessman's library. And I hesitate to say more than that, 504 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.519 because it actually was nice, not knowing where it was going, 505 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.960 but you know, needless to say, opportunities arise for him 506 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.759 following that, and an opportunity comes up where he can 507 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.319 make something grand and personal, and of course there are 508 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:57.039 you know, obstacles along the way. This is a really 509 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:01.480 interesting movie. It's I mean, I was lucky enough to 510 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.640 see it on a big screen, but that aside just 511 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:09.359 the filmmaking itself, it just feels very grand and gargantuan, 512 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.599 and at the same time it also is very intimate, 513 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.039 and it feels very lived in this story about the 514 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:24.559 immigrant experience, and I walked away transported. I really liked it, 515 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:28.720 and I talked about this many months back. But seeing 516 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.160 the movie Civil War, where I know some people could 517 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:36.079 you know, have some problems with it or be like, oh, yeah, 518 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.480 I was pretty good, but I don't know about this 519 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:39.759 and that, and I might even agree with you. But 520 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.559 I was in another world for two hours, and that 521 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:47.759 doesn't always happen. And I had the same feeling with 522 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.880 this where I really felt like I left another like 523 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.359 I almost time traveled to another era and hung around 524 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:58.319 beside this person and just experienced someone else's life for 525 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.200 three hours forty minutes. And that really moved me, and 526 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:04.160 I really enjoyed that. 527 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:07.039 You know. 528 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.319 The other thing too, was not knowing even what the 529 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:14.319 tone of this movie was. I didn't know what lay ahead. 530 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.400 I didn't know if there was some huge tragedy that 531 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.440 was going to happen. I didn't know if people were 532 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.240 gonna like, I mean, it's someone gonna like murder someone like. 533 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.000 I literally had no idea what the tone of this 534 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:25.599 movie was. And there is this. 535 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:27.720 Way to experience a movie, isn't it. 536 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.440 It really is, And you know, there was this sustained 537 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.240 unease in the air while I was watching it. I 538 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.680 was uncomfortable. And you know what, I'm sure he had 539 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.759 the same feeling that character. So I really did get 540 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.640 to experience that along with him, where he's getting to 541 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.680 do something exciting, and there was a moment where I 542 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.039 almost wanted to clap my hand because I was so 543 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.880 excited for him. But then there is the unease. You know, 544 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:49.759 he doesn't know what lays ahead. Things, a lot of 545 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.000 things are out of his control, and I feeling that, 546 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.880 I feel like, maybe that is why I experiencing the 547 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:58.359 movie the way that I did. I really felt transported 548 00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:04.480 with it. I'll say it's I've heard a lot of 549 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.640 people speak about the fact that it's in two parts, 550 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.559 so there's a you know, being almost four hours, there's 551 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.759 an intermission in the middle, and I had heard a 552 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.319 lot of people talk about preferring the first half to 553 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.640 the second half, and I can understand that actually, because 554 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:21.440 I think the first half has a lot of drive 555 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.480 that's pretty irresistible. You know, this immigrant coming over and 556 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.279 not knowing anyone, not knowing what he's going to do, 557 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:33.440 and then finding opportunity, and that's it's paced. I should 558 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.519 say it's paced pretty leisurely, so know that getting into it. 559 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.119 I don't know if I call it slowburn, but I 560 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.160 would say it's a little leisurely. But you really want 561 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:44.839 to see things work out for this character, so I 562 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:49.759 was really invested and interested in this person. The second half, 563 00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.160 I think people's feelings about it will depend on if 564 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.920 you were invested completely at this point. So you want 565 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.920 to know what's going to happen with this with this guy, 566 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.240 so that keeps you motivated. The second half becomes a 567 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.480 little bit more about him and his personal life, and 568 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.000 if you just aren't into it, like if it didn't 569 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:13.720 lock onto you, I could see people feeling like less 570 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.720 interested as it went along. But yeah, no, it's it's 571 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:24.079 just big, grand historical filmmaking. Like it reminded me actually 572 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.599 of The Master, that kind of a feeling or a 573 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:33.160 phantom thread both. Okay, pta movie great, great movies, great movies, 574 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.960 And I don't know that I connected with this one 575 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.599 as in the same ways that I did with those others. 576 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.839 I think The Master, at least in terms of how 577 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.359 that movie made me feel, is a good point of comparison. 578 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.119 Do you think it would have worked better for you 579 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.119 if Adrian Brody had a Rosta wig? 580 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.000 By the way, did we talk about this when they 581 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.519 showed that clip oh at the SNL thing that SNL 582 00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.960 fifty was someone like like, oh, he I'm not gonna 583 00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:06.480 I'm sure he doesn't get that oscar When they were 584 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.720 doing I mean for people who don't know what we're 585 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:13.920 talking about, years years, years back, when Adrian Brody hosted SNL, 586 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.359 he was introducing Oh, I don't forget remember who the 587 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:17.880 musical guests? 588 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:18.440 Remember? 589 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.440 I think they might have been like, have a reggae 590 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.039 bent to them, so he went. Nobody knew he was 591 00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.880 going to do this. But when he you know, usually 592 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.880 you go ladies and gentlemen, you know, Maroon five or 593 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.640 something like that. Like he came out with a rosto 594 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.079 like dreadlock wig on and started talking in a fake 595 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.960 bad Jamaican accent and it and it went on for 596 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.720 like what felt like forever. And can you imagine what 597 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.000 Lorne Michaels was doing under the bleachers with like his 598 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.759 his papers, probably you know, squeezing them in his hands 599 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:58.599 watching it anyway, that's but yeah, anyway, so the brutalist. 600 00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:04.119 I don't know that it's paced or plotted for maybe 601 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.759 like the casual moviegoer or something, someone who's looking for 602 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.799 something to just pop on on a Friday night. This 603 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.480 might not be for you, but like there is like 604 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.680 wonderful acting in this, and it's a really intriguing character film, 605 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.319 and it just feels like I say, I keep thinking 606 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.400 of the word transportive and epic in this really unique 607 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.240 and special way, and I was really glad to go 608 00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:27.160 on the journey with it. 609 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.200 Well there you go, hey, that lights a fire under 610 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.119 me to carve out the I don't know how I'm 611 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:35.880 gonna make that three and a half, three hours and 612 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.759 forty five minutes fit in with my schedule, you know. 613 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.079 I mean, that's just it, isn't it. Wait? What was 614 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.920 I seeing? Oh that Mickey seventeen. Yes, I was like, yeah, 615 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.960 of course I want to see that. And then I 616 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:49.519 saw it was over two hours, and I was like, 617 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:51.599 why a lot. 618 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.440 Of those stuff, all those short movies seem to be 619 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.839 coming back. You know, there's a you know, under two 620 00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.960 seems to be more common than not these days. 621 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.200 Yeah, but what I was going to say real quick 622 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.119 for you specifically, is you know, you obviously you could 623 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.759 break it up. There's a natural break in the middle 624 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:12.759 built into the movie. But I do wonder if the 625 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.799 second half you almost need to come right off the 626 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.880 first half to feel as this in the second half. 627 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.839 I don't know, I think, what do you think Family 628 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:27.160 Movie Night? No? No, no, no, sorry, I people haven't 629 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.559 seen it, not that it would be obvious, but you know, 630 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.359 it's funny. It's not that there's just like two sort 631 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:40.319 of sex scene moments, and uh one at the beginning 632 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.799 is like pretty graphic, but uh yeah, I mean I 633 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.160 mean you could like sort of if you had like chapters, 634 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.000 I'm sure you get like chapter skip or something, but yeah, 635 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:51.720 but I did watch something else. 636 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.599 Well, actually, before we can do that, we were talking 637 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.599 about the SNL thing. I just wanted to get Yeah, 638 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:57.960 I didn't get a chance to talk to you about it. 639 00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.799 What did you think of the SNL. We haven't talked 640 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:00.839 about this out. 641 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.160 I really enjoyed it. I mean we've we've said we're 642 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.880 huge SNL people, and we still watch it every week, 643 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.679 and we also love learning about the history, and so 644 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.079 this was kind of all the above, right where you 645 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:22.719 get to watch sketches and relive the greatest of from 646 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:24.599 the past, but it was also kind of about the 647 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:26.679 lore and shining a light on you know, there were 648 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.400 all these documentaries that were dropping on Peacock about the 649 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.000 writers specifically and how they focus on the cow Bell 650 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.280 sketch for an hour and talk about what went into 651 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.599 creating that and how it came to be as we 652 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.559 know it, and I just devoured all that stuff, and. 653 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.360 You know, I was thinking, yeah, I saw I saw 654 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.719 some folks online who were like, what you know, something 655 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.079 to the effect of like, why are they making such 656 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:52.440 a big deal out of this SNL thing? 657 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.519 And I'm like, cause it's the fiftieth and that's a 658 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.320 huge deal, Like can we can we not? Well, I 659 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.239 would say I say two things. One what you just said, 660 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.760 because it's fifty years old and in television that's like monumental. Absolutely, 661 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.960 And secondly, if you don't care, then why are you 662 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.440 even commenting on it? Like, go pitch what you care 663 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.199 about when you care about exactly? 664 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.000 For me, yeah, I loved all the documentaries and then 665 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:21.679 they had the concert the night. 666 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.480 Before, which I yes, people have recommended it to me 667 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.000 and I still haven't watched it, but I'd like to see. 668 00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:30.239 Yeah, I've seen the clips you know, on YouTube and whatnot, 669 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.519 but the actual yeah, the event, it was it was 670 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.280 for me. It was one of those things I was 671 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.079 watching with my oldest I was like, you know, I 672 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.079 feel like it's like the rings of a tree trunk. 673 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.800 How many SNL anniversary specials you get to watch, you know, 674 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.159 mm hmm, because the twenty fifth and I don't think 675 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.239 there was the thirtieth of the fortieth. Yeah, you know, 676 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.840 that's the fun and that's the history, and that's the 677 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.320 legacy and and I love all of that, you know, 678 00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.199 And what I realize is like, you know. 679 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:05.679 The the the legacy of how you have your sketches 680 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.280 and then those are the sketches that you share with 681 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.480 your kids or that you shared with your parents, and 682 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:11.360 it just gets. 683 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.440 Passed along, right Yeah, yeah, And that's the amazing thing. 684 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.199 That's what makes this so unique, you know totally. I 685 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.280 think you know, because every couple of years we get 686 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:23.480 the oh, the show sucks now whatever, and that's almost missing. 687 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.039 The force for the trees, right is the existence of 688 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.880 the show, and you know it's gonna be this this 689 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.880 amazing thing that just carries on, you know. 690 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.400 I think that's a real key to unlocking a love 691 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:42.119 of the show, which is, yeah, every episode is uneven 692 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.400 because they made it in six days, and that's part 693 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.320 of its charm is when something does land, what a miracle, 694 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.400 you know, and when it doesn't, you think, oh, I 695 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:55.400 think I see what they were going for there, Like 696 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.280 it just didn't come together, you know, like it's all 697 00:36:58.440 --> 00:36:58.840 part of. 698 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:03.719 It, right, And just to pick up on what you're saying, 699 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.880 what you realize is in any given season, with your 700 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:13.360 twenty plus episode, there will be probably like five sketches 701 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:18.199 that are just all timers. Sure, not to say the 702 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.400 rest will suck. Right, There'll be varying degrees of amusing 703 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.079 and some just won't at all. But there's gonna be 704 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.480 a handful in any given season that are just like 705 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.960 they are watched and talked about forever. 706 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:32.079 Yeah. 707 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.960 Right. For every one cow Bell, there's how many that 708 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.000 are just kind of you know, they just came and went, 709 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.480 and that's the nature of the form and that's. 710 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.960 What makes it fun, you know. I agree. I agree. 711 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.239 I should also say we're talking about audiobooks. I downloaded 712 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.679 the audiobook of Lorn, which is the biography. Yeah. 713 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.599 I listened to a long form interview with the author, yes, 714 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.880 and it made me really want to check it out. 715 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.360 Yeah. I was like, oh great, and then I saw 716 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:02.639 it's twenty two hours, and I was like, oh, okay, okay. 717 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:04.880 Then do you ever get like a little giddy thrill 718 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.880 though when you put it to like one point seven 719 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.280 speed and all of a sudden it's like sixteen hours. 720 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.480 You're like, hey, dude. 721 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.119 Remember that that it was? I think it was a 722 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.159 New York magazine about how the author of that book 723 00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:23.159 accidentally didn't do like a blind copy when she sent 724 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:27.440 a mass email. Oh yes, yes, right, right, So she 725 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.159 sent a mass email to like all these luminaries SNL 726 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.360 related and not about like hey, I'm having like a 727 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.599 cocktail for the book or something to that effect. And 728 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.280 instead of doing a BCC, she accidentally just hit you know, 729 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.280 just her entire address book, right right, And so before 730 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.719 long this reply all theater started playing. 731 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.920 Out right right with these really famous pechos, like famous people. 732 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:56.159 Some people are like what Aaron Sorkin's like, why is 733 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.159 everybody emailing me? And I'm like, what a fascinating list 734 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.159 to it to be a part of right, Like that's 735 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.960 its own little status symbol, right if you're in that mix. 736 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.960 Yeah, something like that is like almost a historical document 737 00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.559 like that should be in the Library of Congress email chain. 738 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.639 It was. It was very funny just reading reading the 739 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.719 responses to the responses and stuff and the way it 740 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.199 just kept escalating. So funny. 741 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.480 Yeah, yeah, it was anyway. 742 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.559 Sorry, I just I didn't get a chance to talk 743 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:25.639 to you. 744 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.320 No, no, well, you know, And it's funny too because 745 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:31.719 the show itself was very long, and I think, yeah, yeah, 746 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.400 I watched it with some friends and I think we 747 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.639 I don't know that we did it on purpose, but 748 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.519 we started it a little late, so we were able 749 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.400 to fast forward through a lot of the ads, and 750 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.039 you know, I made it go a little easier. But 751 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.119 it was fun. It just felt like a good celebration. 752 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.960 You know. They brought back some of their famous sketches, 753 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.760 but notably there were sketches that feature a huge cast 754 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.400 of characters so they could slot in a bunch of 755 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.400 major celebrities like Eddie Murphy and stuff to like just 756 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.840 make it feel big in like a celebration. And and 757 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.920 some of them hit, some of them didn't. And I 758 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.840 was talking about that with my friends because we were like, oh, 759 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.559 that didn't really work, did it? And I was like, yeah, 760 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.679 just and l you know, like some of it works, 761 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:14.320 some of it doesn't. 762 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:18.199 That's that's the show, the fact that and you and 763 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:19.880 I we talked about this. You know that they had 764 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:26.000 the Black Jeopardy sketch and you had Tracy Morgan as 765 00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:30.159 a character. Yeah, and then Eddie Murphy playing Tracy Morgan 766 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.239 right right right, And I was like, imagine being Tracy Morgan. Yes, 767 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.519 he probably grew up idolizing Eddie Murphy and now he's 768 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.440 on stage imitating you. 769 00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:43.159 I know, I thought that I thought that very thing, 770 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:48.920 what a What a mind trip, What a moment. Anyway, 771 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.000 what else did you see? Well, I saw something. We 772 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.239 both watched the same thing, which was September five. Yeah, yeah, 773 00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.800 which is kind of fascinating because this, I I believe 774 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:04.760 came out last year. I think the thinking was it 775 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.920 would be an Awards contender, and it just I don't 776 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.360 even know when it actually dropped. It just streaming. I mean, 777 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:16.599 this just completely flew under the radar. I mean, this 778 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:21.760 was this was not a it was not a streaming original, right, No, No, 779 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.239 I think this wasn't well you know what, I feel like. 780 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:26.920 I do remember it playing at my regal for at 781 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.679 least a week or something, and I thought, oh, I'm 782 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.639 curious about that. But yeah, it's interesting. I kind of 783 00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.719 wonder why that is. But well, I I if I 784 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:44.559 were to guess, yeah, well we probably have the same guess. Yeah. 785 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.400 So well we should say, first of all, so it's 786 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:51.199 about the terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics in nineteen 787 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:58.760 seventy two. But it's specifically about how the ABC Sports team, 788 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.320 uh we're the only uh TV crew that was positioned 789 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.679 to actually cover the story. Yeah, from like from from 790 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.559 a front row seat, and what what I really. You know, 791 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.079 I just realized I'm talking right right, I cut you off. 792 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.559 I bath, no, no, no, no, you're exactly yeah, go ahead. 793 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.360 I So anybody who knows me knows I'm a huge 794 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:26.320 fan of just like journalism movies. This is my sweet spot. 795 00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.679 And and multiple listeners reached out to me and were like, Zach, 796 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:30.280 you got to watch this. 797 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:31.519 I was like, oh, I know, I know it's on 798 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.800 my radar, but I love Oh people know me. That's good. 799 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:35.639 But what I love is. 800 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:41.840 It it truly exists only within the field of awareness 801 00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.679 of these TV people. 802 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:46.679 Yes, exactly. 803 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.480 We any any information we get, we only get if 804 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.719 they get right. And that's what I really liked about it. 805 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.320 I thought, Peter uh uh, Peter Sarsgard in the lead role, 806 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.440 he's rude art Ledge. It was like, like, this is 807 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.280 what a dork I am, Like, I know, Rune Arlich, 808 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.599 oh really yeah, but he's very good in the lead 809 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:11.639 and and really like it's a very small scale, but 810 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.440 but the steaks feel very high, you know. 811 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.760 Yeah. Well, and I wanted to call out John mcgarth macgaro, yeah, 812 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:23.239 from from The Big Short. Oh yeah, I didn't. I 813 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:27.159 didn't place him, but he is captivating. I mean, he's 814 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.559 very understated, but captivating. It's we talk about competence porn 815 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.079 and how much we love that in our stories, which 816 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.920 is basically something happens and smart, competent people are thinking 817 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.960 quickly on their feet and doing the best they can, 818 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.840 and the best thing can is pretty damn good, right. 819 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.599 And well, and and just to add to that and 820 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.719 grappling with the ramifications if if they get it. 821 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:56.960 Wrong, yes, yes, yes, Like there's a whole moment where 822 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.119 they're deciding who to call the perpetrators, like are they terrorists? 823 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.280 It's like, well, terrorists is a charge word. Do we know? 824 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:06.760 Like who are they? Blah blah blahlah, Like they don't 825 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.960 know anything, and they're figuring it out as they go, 826 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.440 and they have a responsibility as like you said, the 827 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.519 sole people who will be bringing this live to the world. 828 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.880 And it's an analog world, right, Like there's this moment 829 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:23.159 at the beginning I loved where this is happening in 830 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:28.679 the Olympic village, which they're pretty close to their broadcast operation, 831 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.760 and so just again being in nineteen seventy two, they 832 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.960 don't have little handheld cameras and stuff, so they have 833 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.159 to take a TV camera, like a big clunky sitcom 834 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.000 look in TV camera and they make the decision like 835 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.480 I don't know how find cable long enough and just 836 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:47.039 roll that thing out onto a hill. And I don't know, 837 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.320 just the quick thinking and the innovation, like they don't 838 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:54.000 realize it, but they're innovating live news coverage. Yeah. I 839 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.199 loved this movie. I thought it was riveting. Yeah I 840 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:58.159 think that. 841 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:02.639 Oh and by the way, Benjamin Walker, who he was 842 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:04.760 the guy from Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. 843 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.199 Wait who did you play? 844 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.199 He plays Peter Jennings. 845 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:10.440 Oh yeah, wait was he Lincoln? 846 00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:11.719 He was Lincoln? 847 00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:15.159 Yeah, well, I'll be damned right. And and his Peter 848 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:21.079 Jennings was incredible, no joke. I yes, I I his 849 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.599 voice is spot on, right, Yeah. I was like, that 850 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:30.320 is exactly Peter Jennings's voice, you know. Yeah, yeah, no, 851 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.840 I I think I texted you afterwards and was like, 852 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.920 how did everyone miss this? This is just really and 853 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.559 it's like ninety minutes, it's only what it needs to 854 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.679 be and I, I don't know, I was I was riveted. 855 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.519 Yeah, I so. I suspect that current geopolitics played a 856 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:54.280 role in Yeah, this one probably getting getting you know, 857 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.800 swept under the rug a little bit navy fan with 858 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.760 a little hot button a little bit, yeah, and whether 859 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.239 that's the right decision wrong. So I'm not going to 860 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:06.079 get into that, but I think the movie itself works 861 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:11.840 because it's just it's about the responsibility that comes with with, 862 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:13.679 you know, being a journalist, you know. 863 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.639 Yeah, Like I mean, the movie isn't about politics or 864 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.559 even the situation itself, you know, that's right. It's just 865 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.199 a thing that's happening, and we're following the people that 866 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:26.079 have to figure out in a time before this was commonplace, 867 00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.079 how do we as responsible journalists bring this to the world. 868 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.440 And in a marked contrast from the brutalist this one 869 00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.480 is ninety four minutes soaking wet. 870 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.519 Yeah, which is great. 871 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:39.920 It's a nice little chaser. 872 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:42.599 Yeah. Oh and then I want to also call out 873 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.480 I don't know how to say her name, but Leoni 874 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:49.360 Binesh maybe. Yes, she's the German translator and she was 875 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:51.679 in a movie I really liked, called The Teacher's Lounge, 876 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.639 so I was happy to see her again. Oh great, Yeah, 877 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.519 well there we go. Yeah, I'm glad we both like that. Yeah. 878 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:02.119 Yeah, it's well, yeah, you know, I think it's on 879 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:06.119 streaming now. I don't know if it's on like VOD 880 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:11.079 or p VOD streaming. I don't know if any what 881 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.440 service is going to have it, but if it comes 882 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.920 across your radar, it's worth watching. I think it's pretty terrific. 883 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.320 Yeah, and I think it's screenplay is nominated either for 884 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.360 Best Screenplay or Best Adapted Screenplay. I'm not sure. Oh, okay, 885 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:21.920 well there you go. 886 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.280 So that's something at least. Hey, we got some listener 887 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.480 letters here, Brian. Oh great, So here's a note we 888 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.000 got from Spencer Toyson. And this is in regards to 889 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:36.400 our commentary track for Office Space. Okay, and he says, hello, dudes, 890 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.679 So the same feeling that the culture has for Office 891 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:43.360 Space I have for Superman three. It's appropriate because the 892 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:44.679 two movies are intertwined. 893 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.360 That's right, he says. 894 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.719 Definitely not a critical or financial success, but I can't 895 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.800 help but feel and acknowledge how purposefully goofy and intentional 896 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.559 Superman three is large, cowboy hats, suitcases full of alcohol, 897 00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.639 and unemployed man being a super hacker. Well, it's like 898 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:04.400 he's describing my life. It's wonderful. As a Superman feature, 899 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.880 it's not the adaptation you'd think for sure. However, if 900 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:10.079 Evil Superman's worst crime is blowing out the Olympic torch, 901 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:16.760 come on, that's gold. Terrorizing a sculptor, making Pisa models platinum. 902 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.559 Maybe one of my top moments in the whole Superman series. 903 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.199 It's so great. I love it, he says. If anything, 904 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:25.280 if there's anything that the film has given us, it's 905 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:30.519 the resurgence of my use of the word keyster. And 906 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.719 I should say, by those for those of you who 907 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.920 came in late, that's because you and I, Brian, during 908 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.119 the course of our commentary track for that film, I 909 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.599 said that Superman must have taken that. How did he 910 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.679 get that jar of acid past the computer, the supercomputer? 911 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.199 Obviously he keystered it. 912 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.280 Yes, he key stirred the acid. 913 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.239 He keysterred the acid. And thus a catchphrase for the 914 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:59.239 ages was born and Spencer's and for that, I'm forever grateful. 915 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.199 It's further away from release, but I'm hopeful that generations 916 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.719 might find the gem that is Richard Pryor v Superman. 917 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.519 Thank you Spencer for that. And then we have another 918 00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:13.480 note from Adam O and this is in regards to 919 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:14.440 our Diehard with. 920 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:18.239 A vengeance commentary track, Oh we Are our last episode. 921 00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.360 Most recently, he says, this was the first Diehard movie 922 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.440 I saw, so I have a soft spot for it. 923 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:26.239 It's a big incoherent in the middle. Excuse me, let 924 00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.719 me try that again, Ran, Sorry, it's a bit incoherent 925 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.800 in the middle, But Willis and Jackson have such great 926 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.519 chemistry it makes up for any flaws here here. 927 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.199 Yeah, we're big fans. I think that's sort of you know. 928 00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.039 I think, like any big franchise, you sort of glom 929 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.320 onto whichever one you happen to see first. So I 930 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:49.199 do wonder about that a little bit like Diehard three 931 00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.800 really blows up the paradigm, right, So do if you 932 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.119 watch that one first and then you watch the previous two, 933 00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.320 are you like, Oh, this is so like small scale. 934 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.159 It's confined. He doesn't go anywhere. 935 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:03.360 Yeah, yeah, he's just in the one building. What's that 936 00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:09.159 all about? But I think it has withstood the test 937 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:10.519 of time, I. 938 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:12.360 Think so, I think so. I think, yeah, time has 939 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.440 been kind to it. Also, I think it's more beloved 940 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.639 now than it's been. I think it's been people have 941 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.360 gone back and re evaluated it, or at least the 942 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.519 people who weren't crazy about it to begin with, right, 943 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.400 because I always liked it too because I was kind 944 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:27.639 of young and just took it for what it was 945 00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:28.880 and what. 946 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.800 Was it not? Well, like my recollection is that it. 947 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:34.199 I mean it did really well, which we talked about 948 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.400 when it came out. I feel like there was a 949 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.400 moment and I don't know, it could just be in 950 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.559 my sphere, but when I talked about it with people 951 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:45.440 that was not a favorite. 952 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:45.599 It's fascinating to me. 953 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.719 Yeah, yeah, that's my memory of it because I remember 954 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.480 having this feeling always being surprised and being like, oh really, 955 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.320 I don't know. I think it's kind of good that. 956 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:59.239 Yeah, I guess I've never had like in depth conversations 957 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.199 about the I heard films with anybody. 958 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.559 Yeah, it was you know, like co workers and things. 959 00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:10.760 But yeah, well hey, thank you everybody for for those 960 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.960 comments on our commentaries. Yeah, I had gotten one. I 961 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.639 got a message on Blue Sky from Terrence who just said, hey, guys, 962 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.639 I love listening to the show and I just want 963 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:28.039 to ask how are you guys doing, which I just 964 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.119 I was tickled by that message because because you know, 965 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.199 no but nobody asks us how we're doing. Brian. Yeah, no, 966 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:36.440 and I just want to say Terrence, thank you, a 967 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:41.280 thank you for asking don okay, I think, yeah, you. 968 00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:42.719 Know, it's so funny. I was thinking of like a 969 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.119 comedy album like Adam Sandler when they have all the 970 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:48.239 foley like I wish you could hear like ice. I'm like, 971 00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:54.519 well and then here like ice clinking in a glass, and. 972 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.559 You know I I my usual response is is taking 973 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.159 it one day at a time. 974 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.599 Yeah, yeah, I'd say the same. I mean, look, I 975 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.320 it'd be easy for me to say like good, yeah good. 976 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:12.119 You know people like how you doing? Oh good? Good? 977 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.840 Like you just say good. It's just like a response. 978 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.320 You know, life's got it. It's ups and downs at 979 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:21.320 the moment. I'll be entirely honest. 980 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:23.960 To quote the Just the Ten of Us theme song, 981 00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.039 we're doing it the best we can. 982 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.559 Yeah. Yeah. So definitely, there are days when you know 983 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.760 you're you're doing something and it's really fun with your 984 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.159 friends and you're like, oh wow, I feel very lucky. 985 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.480 I feel very blessed for these people and the things 986 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.639 that I get to do and and that sort of thing. 987 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.599 And then there are other days when you know life's 988 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.440 not going your way and you feel a little down, 989 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.360 you know, So it's yeah, I would I would say 990 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.639 kind of up and down, but you know, truly, and 991 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:56.519 this is being honest. This doing this show and getting 992 00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.639 to talk to Zachi for two hours every week is 993 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.760 truly highlight and lifts me up every time. And the 994 00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.199 engagement with everybody, I mean, people leave comments after the 995 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.920 show and we get these listener letters, and I just 996 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.559 feel so touched by all of it, and so I 997 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:17.079 enjoy the connection that comes from this absolutely. Yeah. 998 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.079 Actually, speaking of just the ten of us, I don't 999 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:20.480 know if you knew this. I happened to be on 1000 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.679 YouTube the other day and they had the opening credits 1001 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.039 for that, you know, and it's it has a very 1002 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:27.880 catchy intro theme, so you do have to kind of 1003 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.679 listen to it. The kid like the did you ever 1004 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:32.320 watch that show? 1005 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.039 Yeah? I remember it, but no you're like aware of 1006 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:35.719 it though, right, Yeah? 1007 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:37.960 Yeah I was not. I was not a you know, 1008 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.639 a regular viewer. But the kid on that show, the 1009 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:43.800 young boy, is Matt Shackman. 1010 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:45.920 Wait, I know that name. 1011 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:51.679 He's the director of The Fantastic four. Wow. So he 1012 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.800 did Wanda Vision and then you know, based on the 1013 00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.840 back of that he did the Fantastic four or he's 1014 00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.559 doing the fantas I was like, I was like, is 1015 00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:00.960 that the same? And I looked it up and it 1016 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.920 is indeed the same guy. I'm like, well, he really 1017 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:05.280 for doing it the best he can. 1018 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.119 Yeah. 1019 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:08.000 Uh. 1020 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.559 There there is a YouTube channel that is dedicated to 1021 00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.320 taking This is for our listeners that you already know 1022 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.639 about the spring taking the Just the Ten of Us 1023 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.239 theme song and placing it on the opening the intro 1024 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:24.800 sequences from other shows under the thesis that the just 1025 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.320 the Ten of Us theme song works for any show, 1026 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:31.039 and it is rather remarkable because I would say it 1027 00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.599 works about eighty percent of the time, like flawlessly. 1028 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.719 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that reminds me. Yeah yeah, I think 1029 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.320 you sent me that a couple of years ago. 1030 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.679 Yeah. Like, there's just something about seeing Walter White making 1031 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:44.599 meth with the with the just the Ten of Us 1032 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.800 theme in the background that just kind of puts it 1033 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:52.079 puts a little spring in your step. I have to say, yeah, hey, 1034 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.039 we got some we got some news here, Brian Man, Yeah, 1035 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:56.039 a lot of news. 1036 00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:57.000 Yeah. 1037 00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:01.760 Unfortunately, a lot of passings have happened very recently and 1038 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:06.159 sort of clumped together. This is from a couple months ago, 1039 00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.199 but I did want to mention it given that it 1040 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:10.599 very much overlaps with the things we talk about. John 1041 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:14.440 Irwin passed away. He was eighty eight years old, and 1042 00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:16.440 you may not know the name, you may not know 1043 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.480 the face, but I suspect you know his voice because 1044 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.360 he's the voice of he Man in the nineteen eighties 1045 00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:22.280 animated series. 1046 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.239 Yeah. Yeah. 1047 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.320 He was also the voice of Reggie in the Archie 1048 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.840 cartoon show. And he was the voice of Morris the 1049 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:33.679 Cat from the TV commercials. 1050 00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:40.039 Oh interesting, I remember that. Yeah. And then I saw 1051 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:43.280 a random sort of little fact about him that I 1052 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.599 sent to you, which is he is also the voice 1053 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.199 of the radio sportscaster in That Is the Future Part two, 1054 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.719 who's announcing the football game when Old Biff is trying 1055 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.360 to prove to young Biff that the Sports Almanac is real. 1056 00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:00.679 So that's hilarious. Yeah, so definitely, you know when when 1057 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:03.280 when you say he Man's voice, like, I can I 1058 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.880 know exactly what that voice is same, Yeah, I can 1059 00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.119 hear it in my head, right, And and really what's 1060 00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:11.159 kind of amazing is he did both Prince Adam and 1061 00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:14.960 he Man and it was just a matter of you know, 1062 00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.400 lowering it by an octave and sounding heroic, right, and 1063 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.159 you go a little higher pitched and you know you 1064 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:27.599 sound like like dorky Prince Adam. 1065 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:30.639 Yeah. Well, I mean yeah, and of course I can 1066 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.440 hear the echoe. I have the power. 1067 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:42.840 It is amazing how like that character has resonated, right, 1068 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.360 I mean, you know we joke about like, well it's 1069 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.199 fallen out of favor or whatever, but like that that cartoon, 1070 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:53.039 people still watch it and kids continue and I honestly 1071 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.840 like I think a big part of that is because 1072 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:01.599 he was voiced in such a welcoming way. Yeah, Like 1073 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:06.719 he seems like, uh like the friend you'd want to have. 1074 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:09.800 Yeah sure, yeah, yeah yeah. 1075 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:11.719 Right, Like like the connection I draw is like Peter 1076 00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:13.519 Cullen as optimist prime right. 1077 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:14.079 Mm hmm. 1078 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:18.719 What what what Culin did so effect does so effectively 1079 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.159 is he has like the you know, the gravel to 1080 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:27.639 give it, you know, the sense of of uh like seriousness, right. 1081 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:31.960 But he he's he has the softness to make him 1082 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.079 sound like a friend. That I really do. I can't 1083 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.000 think of examples off the top of my head, but 1084 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.480 I have noticed this in films or shows or whatever 1085 00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:43.519 where yeah, it's like when you have the toughest nails 1086 00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:47.000 or hard boiled leader, that's great, but you also want 1087 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:49.559 to feel like it's a person who would bring you in, 1088 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.320 you know, like would not be like beat it, Brian, 1089 00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:56.320 you can't hang you. You know, I really do feel 1090 00:57:56.320 --> 00:58:00.239 like that's a really uh an unspoken part ingredient that's 1091 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.679 really important to those types of characters, where you feel 1092 00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:05.760 like they'd feel like they want you to be a 1093 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:09.800 part of the heist too. You know, you're right, And 1094 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:12.480 both of those voice actors do a great job of 1095 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.480 imbuing their characters with that quality. 1096 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.519 Like I think at least part of the reason that 1097 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.480 eighty seven live action movie was not received particularly well 1098 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.719 is that, well, Dolph Vungren doesn't sound like he man. 1099 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.079 Yeah, you know, yeah, well, speaking of I mean, there 1100 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.119 were some I don't know if they're leaked, but there 1101 00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:33.639 was some set up pictures. 1102 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:34.079 Yeah. 1103 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.079 Yeah, I guess this movie is actually happening. I know, 1104 00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.719 you and I joked because they've been saying they're going 1105 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.079 to make a Masters of the Universe movie for I 1106 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:43.400 mean decades. 1107 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.000 I mean certainly the entire life of this podcast. 1108 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.280 Yeah yeah, And there have been scripts and you know, 1109 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.119 stops and starts. But you and I were joking, you know, 1110 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.639 when our butts are in seats in the theater and 1111 00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:57.480 it's actually rolling in front of us, that's when we'll 1112 00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:01.920 believe it. But we saw set photos and actually I 1113 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:03.039 don't know the actor's name. 1114 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:05.000 But Nicholas Gallazine. 1115 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.840 Okay, looks pretty good. Yeah, I think, well, well my 1116 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:13.760 wife is suddenly a fan. Well we should say two things. One, 1117 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:18.039 there's some sort of like teaser poster image thing where 1118 00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:20.920 you just see a gripped fist holding the sword, which 1119 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.800 is awesome because it looks exactly against a Peck. 1120 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:24.760 We should say. 1121 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:29.159 Against the pack. Yeah, and that Gregory Peck's descendants. We're talking. No. 1122 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.800 But the set photo is kind of interesting and you 1123 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.320 have to think about it a little bit because we're 1124 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:40.760 seeing he Man or Prince Adam whoever in jeans and 1125 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.679 a button up shirt in modern times. So you're led 1126 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:46.920 to wonder, oh, is this another movie where he Man 1127 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.559 is sent to Earth? Kind of like the eighties film 1128 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:51.679 what's the story going to be here? I think some 1129 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:56.079 people were a little like, not this again. We have 1130 00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:59.599 this take place on Eternia. I don't know. I mean, 1131 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:01.719 I'll ep an open mind, but I mean, what did 1132 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:02.559 you think when you saw that? 1133 01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:05.079 Well, as soon as I saw the picture, I was like, oh, well, 1134 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:09.639 he's wearing a a white T shirt and a pink 1135 01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:14.519 button down, so he looks like Prince Adam, right, So 1136 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.760 I was like, oh, so it's Prince Adam, it's not 1137 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:18.920 he Man. I was like, oh, so they're doing the 1138 01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:21.880 thing like the old filmation show where he's got the 1139 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.280 exact same physique, right. 1140 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:24.960 Right, right right. 1141 01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.000 But like people, people, people are like, oh, how can 1142 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.079 nobody recognize Superman when he takes the glasses of I'm like, hey, 1143 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:34.360 he Man just takes his shirt off and nobody recognizes it. 1144 01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:35.280 Yeah. 1145 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:40.719 Yeah, he gets tan and and half naked. If I 1146 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:43.039 were to guess I don't know anything about this this 1147 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:47.079 movie thus far plot lives, but I would guess he's 1148 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.440 on Eternia and he doesn't know who he is. 1149 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:51.480 I was gonna say, I wonder if this is a 1150 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:52.800 hook situation. 1151 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.079 Yeah, yeah, that right exactly, you know that, that would 1152 01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:59.440 be my guess. I have no idea, but the mirror. 1153 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.159 He looks pretty good. Yeah, I think so. 1154 01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.719 And I saw interviews of him from like a year ago, 1155 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.199 and he was like this this you know, very thin 1156 01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:13.599 looking guy. So I'm like, damn, he put in the. 1157 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:14.440 Work, that's for sure. 1158 01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:18.599 Yeah, they've got a great cast. So and Travis knight By, 1159 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.719 though he's directing, he did he did Bumblebee Oh, which 1160 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.719 I liked exactly right, and that certainly had the exact 1161 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.280 right flavor in terms of respecting uh An eighties mythos. 1162 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.960 Yeah, very much. So you're right, yeah, the whole eighties thing. 1163 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:36.719 And then it also had humor and heart and so 1164 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:42.559 to me, the cast list is well, okay, Jared Leto 1165 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:49.280 eskeletor notwithstanding, and even that I'm willing to hold out 1166 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.760 for because I feel like there's the potential of Leto 1167 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:55.199 doing something fun and interesting with Frankly, if he must 1168 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.880 do this at all, that could actually kind of work. 1169 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:00.800 Yeah, you know, and it's going to be a CG 1170 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.000 thing and whatever, it's fine, but but like, and we 1171 01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.440 talked about Idris Elba playing Man at Arms and Marina 1172 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.480 mcaren is the sorceress and all that sad I'm like, wow, 1173 01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:12.760 I and I read that it's like trap Jaw and 1174 01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:16.119 triclops and Fisto and I'm like, I know all of 1175 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:16.800 those guys. 1176 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:18.320 Yeah, they're like actually going for it. 1177 01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.559 Yeah. Yeah, So I'm like, you know, show me, show 1178 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.360 me what battle Cat looks like, and let's get the 1179 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.159 sucker going, you know. 1180 01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:26.639 Yeah, and Orco will there be Orco? That's that's the 1181 01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:30.239 eternal question. I remember having a toy had that little 1182 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.639 zip thing that you pull through it. Yeah, it was 1183 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:34.280 like a drag strip, right, you know what. I love 1184 01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:35.199 a filmation. 1185 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.039 The company that made the show was notoriously cheap, right, 1186 01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:40.760 because they would you know, if you watch the show, 1187 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.800 they would reuse the same animation sequences and whatever. Right. So, 1188 01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.440 Orco who was created for the show. He was originally 1189 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.239 going to be called Gorpo, and the reason they changed 1190 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:56.159 him to yeah is because if you put a G 1191 01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:00.239 on his chest, yeah, you can't flip the cell. 1192 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:02.199 Oh. I thought, you're even. I thought it's going to 1193 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.199 be even more like my new show where it was 1194 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:06.079 like lip flap, because then you'd have to have a 1195 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.760 different sort of you could go orc. Oh no, that's good. 1196 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:12.440 No, it's just because he had a O on his chest. 1197 01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:17.960 Oh that's so funny. That makes complete sense, And you 1198 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.480 know what, I respect that. 1199 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:23.760 I'm like, hey man, because here's the thing. Because filmation, 1200 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:27.239 even as a kid like I knew filmation shows and 1201 01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:29.000 I was like, oh, filmation, they're the ones that always 1202 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.880 reuse the animation hm which a is entirely appropriate because 1203 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:38.159 he Man toys like constantly reused parts, right, And I knew, 1204 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:39.880 like even as a kid, I knew that. 1205 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.960 Right, Like as another beefy musclely action figures, just he 1206 01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:45.599 Man's body painted green. 1207 01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.039 Yeah, well, well the best, the most, the most mercenary 1208 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:54.320 use of this was a character called Faker, okay, which 1209 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:56.800 was it was he Man, it was it was the 1210 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.039 body was he Man, but it was it was molded 1211 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:00.440 in blue plastic. 1212 01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:02.039 Mm hm oh. 1213 01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:07.719 And they gave him Skeletor's harness in orange, so he's 1214 01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:10.719 a blue he Man with an orange Skeletor harness. And 1215 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:14.000 they're like, this is Faker. He's the evil he Man robot. 1216 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:20.079 And I'm like, golf clap for that, right, because even 1217 01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:22.480 as a kid, I was like, that is some bullshit 1218 01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:25.039 right there. I know what y'all doing. 1219 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:27.960 They could have just taken he Man and put like 1220 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:31.079 an old timey mustache on him and called a Faker. 1221 01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:35.320 So I gotta at least they used some paint, you know. 1222 01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.360 So that was like Mattel was notorious for that Filmation 1223 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:39.960 to do the same thing. So I'm like, you know, 1224 01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:43.119 I respect that partly because at the time in the eighties, 1225 01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:47.599 Mattel was the sorry. Filmation was the only animation company 1226 01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:52.360 that was fully made in the United States. Wow, And 1227 01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.400 so that's how they kept costing and everyone else was 1228 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:57.679 shipping their work overseas. And guess what, we have no 1229 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:02.199 domestic animation now because overseas just does a cheaper so 1230 01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:03.719 Filmation was holding down the line. 1231 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.840 I respect that, Yeah, totally. Anyway, he Man movie. We 1232 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:08.679 don't even know what it's called. 1233 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:10.039 Is it called Masters of the Universe. 1234 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.719 Yeah, I don't know that is. 1235 01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.760 It's coming out next summer, so not twenty five but 1236 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:16.400 twenty six. 1237 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:20.760 I'm into it. It's tickling a little nostalgia for me. 1238 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:22.800 I really hope. I hope it's fun. 1239 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.000 Well, this is going to be an Amazon MGM release, 1240 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:27.440 so Brian, you know what that means. 1241 01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:29.480 You know, we might be. 1242 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:32.199 Looking at a shared cinematic universe with Double O seven 1243 01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:39.440 and Jack Reacher and I'm gonna say Bill and Ted. Yeah, 1244 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.079 maybe RoboCop or throw a RoboCop in there. 1245 01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:48.159 Yeah maybe. Uh. Fred Astaire brought back through special effects. 1246 01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:52.039 It'll be like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or something. Yeah. 1247 01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:55.079 Oh man, Actually, you know what would be the most 1248 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:58.280 amazing magic trick ever, as if they did do something 1249 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.960 that ridiculous, but they're like, no, no, no, it's going 1250 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:05.079 to be good, Like let's really make something brilliant, play 1251 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:07.079 it totally straight. Yeah. I don't know why. That's just 1252 01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:09.000 my thing. I want to see people do something that's 1253 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:13.719 really really stupid, but like really you know, like manipulate everyone, 1254 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:15.320 and then they're like, wait, I think that's actually good. 1255 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:16.480 I don't know how to feel about this. 1256 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.719 Well, it's like bell Air, right, the show, The Peacock Show. 1257 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:23.480 Oh right, yes, where again. 1258 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.639 That it started as like a trailer like let's let's 1259 01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:30.239 do it like play it straight, and that's what makes 1260 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:31.280 it funny, like. 1261 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:34.639 A funnier die kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, like what if? 1262 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:37.559 And it's like pretty decent. That's yeah. 1263 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.880 I don't know, So you watched first season. 1264 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:43.480 At least I've watched the first season. 1265 01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:46.239 Yeah, okay, okay, interesting and Will Smith I mean, because 1266 01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:49.000 it didn't it start literally as a parody and then 1267 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:52.840 Will Smith was like, let's talk yeah exactly, yeah, Will 1268 01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:55.400 Smith Man, you know you know, he is a producer 1269 01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:59.800 on like on Cobra Kai. Interesting, right, and I didn't 1270 01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:03.639 I would assume that whatever rights he had thanks to 1271 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:06.559 the twenty ten movie, he somehow still he gets he 1272 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:07.920 gets to dip his beak. 1273 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:11.760 You know, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, right, So 1274 01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:15.079 I'm like, hey, you know, good, good for him. Yeah, 1275 01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:21.599 totally make that money. So John Irwin a voice for 1276 01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:25.559 the ages, truly, and he will be missed. Another another 1277 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.280 person who just passed away a couple days ago as 1278 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:28.960 we record this, Michelle Trachtenberg. 1279 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:31.639 Yeah, that was shocking. 1280 01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:35.840 Came as a surprise. She was of course she I 1281 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:38.360 think for many people came on the scene with Harriet 1282 01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:42.960 the Spy in the nineties. I knew her as as Dawn. 1283 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:45.159 She was Buffy the Vampire Slayer's younger sister. But of 1284 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:46.880 course she had been in Gossip Girl, she was in 1285 01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:51.719 the movie euro Trip. Died at age thirty nine for 1286 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.559 a cause of death undetermined, But obviously age thirty nine 1287 01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:01.119 is not you know, generally that's a normal thing, you know. 1288 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.880 Right, well, and she had had a surgery recently, right, 1289 01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:11.719 something involved a liver transplant. Oh okay, so yeah, I 1290 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:15.119 mean you can kind of imagine. But yeah, see seeing 1291 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.479 that headline in the number thirty nine, it just feels 1292 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:20.439 like a kick to your chest. You shouldn't see that. 1293 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:25.560 Yeah, and she was somebody. I mean, she had continued 1294 01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:29.359 to work, but you know, she had dealt with some stuff, 1295 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:31.000 you know. I mean I remember a couple of years 1296 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:35.119 ago when when all this stuff came out about about 1297 01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:38.760 Joss Whedon, one of the things that was said is 1298 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:41.479 that he was not allowed to be alone with her. 1299 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:42.720 Yeah. 1300 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:46.520 Yeah, right, And so that made me think, like, man, 1301 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:48.439 you know, she was probably dealing with a lot of 1302 01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.800 this Hollywood bullshit from a very young age and for 1303 01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:55.399 most of her life probably, and that's just a rough 1304 01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:56.439 thing in general, you know. 1305 01:08:57.039 --> 01:09:00.960 And and then after she passed, I mean, what's sort 1306 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.600 of heartening to see is that all the tributes to 1307 01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.560 her and all the people who had worked whether through 1308 01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.399 all those years, just had nothing but really lovely and 1309 01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:10.680 heartfelt things to say about her and her character. And 1310 01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:15.119 so I mean, through it all, it sounds like she 1311 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.520 was someone that people really loved and enjoyed working with. 1312 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:23.680 So yeah, some Michelle Trackenberg gone at thirty nine. Also, 1313 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.079 this this is a big one. Gene Hackman died. 1314 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.800 This was shocking. I mean shocking. It's it's I mean, 1315 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:32.119 he was ninety five. 1316 01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:39.159 Right, I feel like to some extent it was, at 1317 01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:40.600 least for me. I'm not gonna speak for you, but 1318 01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:43.000 it's like, well, once you're over ninety you're sort of like, well, 1319 01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.119 this is a headline that's going to be coming at 1320 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:45.680 some point. 1321 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:49.920 But let me yes, I think what I mean is 1322 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:52.680 he is one of those people though he kind of 1323 01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:56.000 disappeared from public life, so he's locked into my mind 1324 01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:58.279 one years ago. Yeah, so like twenty some years ago, 1325 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:00.840 which is not too far from Royal ten and bombs 1326 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.319 or something, So in my mind he's still like that guy. 1327 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:05.840 Yeah right, but. 1328 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.399 No, he's ninety five and that's a heck of a life. 1329 01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.000 And but this, this one's kind of. 1330 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:16.560 Weird, right, we don't know the full extent the circumstances. 1331 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.439 We may not know for for a while. 1332 01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.960 Well, because his wife was also found dead, the two 1333 01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.560 of them, and then also one of their dogs, that's right. 1334 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.760 And at first it seemed like, oh, this this feels 1335 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:29.560 like if they were all dead in their home, maybe 1336 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:34.640 it's a carbon monoxide kind of situation. But then police 1337 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:39.239 were saying that now this is suspicious in quotes circumstances, 1338 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:42.680 and there's some story that they're going to have to 1339 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:44.920 try to dig into to see what happened. 1340 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:49.279 What what I read is there were open pill bottles 1341 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:52.840 that were found and they were in different rooms. Yes, 1342 01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:56.800 it is a moving target in terms of the full 1343 01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:59.680 extent of what happened, and that is that is it'll all, 1344 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.560 you know, come out and due time. However, ultimately we're 1345 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:08.720 talking about a legend, yes, truly, I mean, like one 1346 01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.720 of the greatest actors of all time, one of the 1347 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.720 most indelible screen presences. And I love what Zach Stantz 1348 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.880 said on social media. He says, be so good at 1349 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:22.479 what you do that you can die more than a 1350 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.800 decade after you retirement at age ninety five, and it 1351 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:27.600 will still feel like an unspeakable. 1352 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:31.000 Loss, right right, yeah, right, And that's really like. 1353 01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:39.680 There was no precedent or antecedent for Gene Hackman. He 1354 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.439 was one of a kind, right obviously for me, and 1355 01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:45.520 I would assume for many people listening, maybe even you. 1356 01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:49.600 The first time I saw him was Superman probably, yeah, right. 1357 01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:53.600 And I remember even as a kid when I was 1358 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:58.880 able to read, I was like, oh, Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, Superman, 1359 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.119 Christopher I was like, so this guy is a big deal. 1360 01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:06.520 That means right, credited before himself. 1361 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:09.520 Yeah, right, And and he was just a fact of 1362 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:13.359 movie going life, certainly for our childhoods. 1363 01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:16.119 Oh yeah, yeah. And then of course you know Unforgiven 1364 01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.560 and yeah, Hoosiers all that stuff. 1365 01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:22.600 I mean, we can keep going the conversation French Connection 1366 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:26.720 one and to. But he was great in Runaway Jury, 1367 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:28.520 which was one of the last movies he did obviously 1368 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:32.680 mentioned Royal Tenenbaumbs. I mean, even like the the thing 1369 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:41.119 is he he whatever the movie was like like Superman four, 1370 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:45.520 nobody's gonna argue that's a good movie. M even Christopher 1371 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:48.720 Reeve looks like he's halfway out the door. Gen Hackman 1372 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:51.439 shows up man, He's he is not the bad part 1373 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:55.279 of that movie, right, right, he comes to play he right, 1374 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.960 And and you know, there's a there's a great story 1375 01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.840 that Ben Stiller told about working with him on Royal 1376 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:08.159 Tannon Bombs where Stiller is like super intimidated working with 1377 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:09.720 him and he wants to talk to him about how 1378 01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:14.720 much he loved him in the Posidon Adventure. And so 1379 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:18.079 the whole shoot. After several you know, weeks of knowing 1380 01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:21.000 him whatever, feeling comfortable with him, he says, you know, Gene, 1381 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:22.680 I just want to say how much you know, I 1382 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:24.520 saw The Pasigon Adventure when I was a kid, and 1383 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.239 it's changed my life. It made me want to become 1384 01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.720 a filmmaker and had such a big impact on me. 1385 01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:31.720 And and Hackman goes, yeah, that was a money job. 1386 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:37.840 And then he gets up and walks away. I'm like, hey, 1387 01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:39.079 he still showed up, you know. 1388 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:42.319 Yeah. You know what's funny is like I can imagine 1389 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.880 initially like maybe a little disappointment in that moment for Stiller, 1390 01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.399 but then you're like, nah, man, that's Hackman. Like I 1391 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:49.640 just had a Hackman moment. 1392 01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:52.560 You gotta well. And I love this quote. This was 1393 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.520 from Gene Hackman. He says, no matter what you feel 1394 01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:57.600 about the project, be the best you can be because 1395 01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:03.000 sometime somewhere someone we'll see it. It's great, isn't that something? 1396 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:04.079 Yeah? 1397 01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:09.600 Like I read that quote, you know, as soon as 1398 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.720 this broke But that quote has been like living in 1399 01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:14.479 my head for the last you know, thirty six hours, 1400 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:19.319 because I mean it's incredibly profound when you think about it. Yeah, 1401 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.640 And clearly, like you can draw a corollary with the 1402 01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:25.960 pussign Adventure. Look, man, Ben Stillard didn't know. He just 1403 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:26.840 did that for the money. 1404 01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:30.600 Yeah, absolutely, And then I mean, look at look at 1405 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.840 the impact he's had, you know, inspired by your work 1406 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:36.640 early on. That's right, by the way. I'm just looking 1407 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:38.119 at all his movies here, and I just have to 1408 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:41.720 call it Crimson Tide because fantast good lord him and 1409 01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:46.760 Denzel squaring off in like tight, sweaty submarine quarters. I 1410 01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:47.960 love that movie. 1411 01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.600 Yeah, yeap, that one. And you and I we just 1412 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.039 watched Enemy of the State recently. 1413 01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:53.039 Mm hmmm hm. 1414 01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:56.479 He's great, great in that obviously, the conversation. Even like 1415 01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:00.880 Behind Enemy Lines, which is not a movie I'm crazy about, 1416 01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:05.439 he showed up, you know. Yeah, he was memorable in it. 1417 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:10.399 And I distinctly I remember when he had stopped acting 1418 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.880 and he said something. It was a couple of years 1419 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.520 after Welcome to Mooseport, which is his last movie, just like, yeah, 1420 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:18.840 I've done acting, and I was like, oh, man, that's 1421 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:20.239 a bummer, just not being able to see him. But 1422 01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:25.720 I remember thinking, also imagine having the centeredness of being 1423 01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:27.680 a huge Hollywood star and just being like you know. 1424 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:32.520 What I'm done. Yeah, Like it's not like Hollywood walked 1425 01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:36.239 away from him, right right, because the truth of it is, 1426 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:38.359 he could have kept acting as long as he wanted. 1427 01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.840 Yeah, and he's like, you know, I'm good. I've had 1428 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:42.199 a career. 1429 01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:44.640 Well, and you know what's cool is he wrote a 1430 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:47.439 couple of books also, so he found like a new 1431 01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:50.800 you know, passion, hobby, whatever you want to call it. 1432 01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:54.239 And I love that, Like maybe, yeah, he had done 1433 01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:56.159 what he felt like he needed to do or all 1434 01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:57.960 that he wanted to do when it came to acting, 1435 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.479 so then he found another thing to invest themself. And yeah, 1436 01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:05.359 you don't only see that. Yeah, it's refreshing. You know. 1437 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.159 What are some of your you mentioned Crimson Tide, What 1438 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.000 are some of your other favorites? 1439 01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:14.000 I mean, yeah, I like Superman obviously was really big. 1440 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.159 I'm just like looking through his things. I'm actually they're 1441 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:20.319 the obvious ones, right, like, yeah, the conversation and stuff, 1442 01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:21.800 but like I'm looking at the ones that I've kind 1443 01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:25.159 of forgotten about, like the Firm, Oh sure, yeah, you know, 1444 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:26.960 or the Quick and the Dead. Of course he's so 1445 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:29.880 just so recently. Yeah, I mean he's a real sob 1446 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:34.039 in that movie. It's it's so good, and I'll admit 1447 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:35.720 there's ones in here I'm looking at that. I feel 1448 01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:37.479 like I haven't seen that. I want to watch. I've 1449 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:40.640 never seen French Connection two. Kind of curious. 1450 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.159 I think I've said before. I'm like, it's it's more 1451 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:46.680 Popeye Doyle. It's not as good as the first one, 1452 01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.000 but Shirting it's a it's a perfectly fine movie. 1453 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.039 Yeah, yeah. Or Postcards from the Edge, I've never seen. 1454 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:53.279 Yeah, I haven't seen that one. 1455 01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:55.600 Yeah, So, I mean there's a lot, a lot of 1456 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:58.960 work here to dig through. Mississippi Burning, I think is 1457 01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:02.279 a terrific movie. You know, I've never seen that. I 1458 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.039 recognized the poster as a VHS case. 1459 01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:10.119 From my childhood, right, Yeah, Like, I mean, it's it's 1460 01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:15.840 it's it's uh, Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe investigating, you know, 1461 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:23.279 hate crimes in Mississippi's Lex luthoran the Green Goblin teaming up. Yeah, 1462 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.760 that's right, that's a that's a very good one. 1463 01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:32.600 He's in Monny. Yes, I don't know that movie. I've 1464 01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:32.960 seen it. 1465 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.359 Bonnie and Clyde has kind of put him on the map, right, 1466 01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:36.600 he's Clyde's brother. 1467 01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:37.840 Oh man, it's been a while. 1468 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.239 Yeah, uh, I would say, because that that's what really 1469 01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:42.600 got the ball rolling for him, you know. 1470 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:48.239 Yeah, Bat twenty one, that's like a movie that used 1471 01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:50.479 to be on like Fox thirty two on a Saturday. 1472 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.079 It's like bringing back memories classic. 1473 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:55.640 There's the. 1474 01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.000 It was a movie with with Hugh Grant called Extreme 1475 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:02.119 he Measures. Yep, I'm looking at it here. 1476 01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:05.479 Yeah, which I've always liked that one too, you know, 1477 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.960 the bird Cage that's like a I've never seen that. 1478 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:12.000 That's a blind spot for me. I gotta watch that one. Yeah. 1479 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:14.279 A lot of a lot of a lot of very 1480 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:17.640 good movies. And Runaway Jury you talk about it's it's 1481 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:22.920 him and and Dustin Hoffman on opposite sides of a 1482 01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:26.199 of a legal war. I'm like, come on, man, a 1483 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:28.520 chance to watch these two guys square off totally? 1484 01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:28.880 Yeah? 1485 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:32.159 Right, So uh, That's kind of the great thing is 1486 01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.359 you look at his filmography and more often than not, 1487 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:36.119 you've got some really good movies waiting for you. 1488 01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:36.800 Yep. 1489 01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:37.560 You know. 1490 01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:40.760 So so a life well lived and a career that 1491 01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:44.680 is enviable regardless of what industry when happens to be 1492 01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:47.000 in you know, absolutely. 1493 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:51.560 Other news I thought this. This literally just happened as 1494 01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:54.560 as we as we hopped on, Joseph Wamba passed away. 1495 01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:58.359 Yeah. I wasn't familiar with him, but you started telling 1496 01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:01.159 me about him in his career and how influential he was, 1497 01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:03.600 and I'm excited to talk about him. 1498 01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:07.279 Yeah. So so uh, he's a he was an ex 1499 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:15.159 cop who he started out writing. He wrote for TV, 1500 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.920 he wrote for procedurals like Dragnet and whatnot. But what 1501 01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:21.359 he started to do by virtue of his novels he wrote, 1502 01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.520 he wrote a book called The New Centurions, which was 1503 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:27.399 kind of a real seminal work in terms of getting 1504 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:33.880 into the inner the inner turmoil of police, right, and 1505 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:36.880 that was in turn what led to the creation of 1506 01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:40.279 shows like Police Story in the seventies, and that in 1507 01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:46.279 turn led directly to your NPD Blues or or I mean, 1508 01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:49.800 gosh even er, you know, to something like like Hill 1509 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:55.399 Street Blues NYPD, but like the idea of of police 1510 01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:59.399 officers who are not just impervious and you know and 1511 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:03.199 Jack Webb, you know, and Dragnet, but they they are 1512 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:07.039 they have insecurities and everything else, and they grapple with 1513 01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:08.560 the consequence of what they do. You know, the stuff 1514 01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:12.159 that makes for great drama. And so again you get 1515 01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:13.800 your Hill Street Blues, you get air M and IPD 1516 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:16.720 and seriously Er, which is not a cop show, but 1517 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:19.920 but it it takes that same approach, right, the inner 1518 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.279 turmoil of somebody who is in essence serving the public 1519 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.840 right And and you don't get the wire and any 1520 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:30.359 of this stuff, you know, without what Joseph Wamba did. 1521 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:33.119 You know, I have a whole unit in my media 1522 01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:36.439 class where I talk about police procedurals and so Wamba, 1523 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:40.920 you know, has a pretty pretty big chunk of that history. 1524 01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:44.560 You know, he gets he gets to claim that The 1525 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:50.800 New Centurions was was a movie and it started oh gosh, 1526 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:54.359 Georgia Scott. It starred Georgy Scott, and it's pretty great. 1527 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:55.279 It's based on his book. 1528 01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:58.359 Yes, I say here in nineteen seventy two. 1529 01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:01.119 Yep, yep, that's we're worth watching, you know. 1530 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:04.760 All right, Well, yeah, amazing, isn't it Isn't that interesting? 1531 01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:11.840 Sometimes it just takes one person to lock onto something. Yeah, 1532 01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:15.439 and then that's just the thing that everything else takes 1533 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:16.199 its cues from. 1534 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:22.680 Yeah. Yeah, And it's it's I would think, I mean, 1535 01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:24.520 you know, over the course of his career, with the 1536 01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:28.199 course of his life spent, he saw the ups and 1537 01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:33.079 downs of how policing was perceived, and you know, I 1538 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:37.159 mean that was something he always maintained. He kept one 1539 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.720 foot in by virtue of the writing that he did. 1540 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:42.399 He was writing up through the twenty tens. 1541 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:43.640 Wow. 1542 01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.119 You know. Yeah, there's a whole series of books called 1543 01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:51.800 called the Hollywood Station Series which which look at you know, 1544 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:56.000 local police versus you know, the federal the federal role 1545 01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:59.680 in policing and stuff. Really interesting stuff and certainly a 1546 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:03.880 very distinctive point of view. And again we can get 1547 01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:07.079 into things like copaganda and all that stuff, which is 1548 01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:10.920 still very you know, those are heated conversations. But in 1549 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:16.880 terms of the drama that has emerged, you know, I 1550 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:19.520 I think that The Wire, which is a show that 1551 01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:22.479 you absolutely adore, and YPD Blue people know how I 1552 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:25.720 feel about that. You know, these are these are beacons, 1553 01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:29.800 you know, of good drama, and they wouldn't exist if 1554 01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:33.479 not for for things that Joseph Wamba sort of shot 1555 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:34.319 shone a light on. 1556 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:35.560 Wow. 1557 01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:40.159 You know, so R I P R I P certainly, Yeah, 1558 01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:42.880 Well I think I hear some music, Brian, So I 1559 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:44.600 think that means we have some Star Wars. 1560 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:48.439 News finally again, right. I mean it's uh, this used 1561 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:50.800 to be a reoccurring thing that we'd have every single week. 1562 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:54.319 It was a it was a regular feature. Yeah yeah, 1563 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:55.399 people people look. 1564 01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:55.840 Forward to it. 1565 01:22:55.880 --> 01:23:01.600 Families would gather around their iPhones. He's a sh here 1566 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:04.560 it comes here, right, And it's funny. I was picturing 1567 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:07.199 like one of those big stand up radios and kids 1568 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:10.720 running in with their dinner plates and lying on the ground. 1569 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.640 With their bowls of C three pos cereal. 1570 01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:16.159 Yes, and they're hearing the Star Wars music. But they 1571 01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:19.000 weren't like, oh, the continuing Adventures of Luke Skywalker. They're 1572 01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:21.920 like no, no, Brian and Zachy are talking. Yeah, they 1573 01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:26.039 have opinions. Yeah. Well it's you know, this is kind 1574 01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:29.800 of appropriate that we're even talking about that specifically, because 1575 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.680 I feel like we started Star Wars News probably because 1576 01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:36.720 of this sale yeh, from Lucas to Disney and bringing 1577 01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:41.319 in Kathleen Kennedy right to oversee lucasfilm. And now this 1578 01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:44.640 week we've learned that she will be stepping down maybe 1579 01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:48.720 not what we don't know. Wait, I thought she was retiring. 1580 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:52.680 It's a moving target because she has said, she has said. 1581 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.680 She herself said I am not retiring. 1582 01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:59.479 I should. It's so funny. The only reason I said 1583 01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:01.199 retires because I had the article in front of me 1584 01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.920 and I saw that word not retiring. Of course, because 1585 01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.600 she said, yes, she's never going to retire from filmmaking. 1586 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:09.239 She said she's going to die making movies. But I 1587 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:16.079 thought she was thinking about bringing someone up into her 1588 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.159 role and she would then show them the ropes, train them, 1589 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.239 and then step down in the near future. Is that 1590 01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:23.960 correct or is that well? 1591 01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:29.399 So that's the that's the confusing aspect of all of this, 1592 01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:32.359 because because essentially what we had was a situation where 1593 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:37.039 we're earlier this week as we record this, there's a 1594 01:24:37.079 --> 01:24:42.199 guy from Puck News named Matt Baloney who apparently dropped 1595 01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:47.600 some blogoney Brian yes, because he put a very breathless report. 1596 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:48.119 That's it. 1597 01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:53.479 She's out of here. She's been shown the door. Don't 1598 01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:55.600 let the door hit you. Where the Lord split you, 1599 01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:03.560 That's what Bob Iger said, according to according to Boloney, yeah, 1600 01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:06.039 so so, and then of course this really started making 1601 01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:08.359 making the rounds everywhere. She's out the door, and you know, 1602 01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:12.479 contextualizing this a little bit, you know, for the last 1603 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.319 several years, there are portions of the Internet, I'm gonna 1604 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:19.039 say the shittiest portions of the Internet which have been 1605 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:22.199 like Star Wars is woke because Kathleen Kennedy and show 1606 01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.560 her the door and whatever. Right, so they were they 1607 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:31.800 were salivating over this news. However, according to Kathleen Kennedy, 1608 01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:37.399 she's what she's saying is, look, at some point I 1609 01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:40.279 need to think about, well, who's gonna take over. We 1610 01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:42.159 need to have a succession plan in place. It doesn't 1611 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:48.640 mean I'm retiring anytime soon, I see now. According to her, 1612 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:51.039 she's like, look, there's no chaos or anything. This is 1613 01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:53.800 just we're just you know, these are this is the 1614 01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:54.880 stuff you do in a company. 1615 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.239 M m. Maybe that's true. 1616 01:25:57.279 --> 01:26:00.000 I don't know. I don't know enough. Brian. I'm I'm 1617 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.680 I'm a naive bumpkin from from the Midwest. 1618 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:08.880 Well, it feels like a pretty consuming role. She's done 1619 01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:14.279 it for over a decade. I you know, lucasfilm Star 1620 01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:18.399 Wars whatever is not necessarily her her baby, right, so 1621 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:21.640 it makes sense she was raising George Lucas's baby kind 1622 01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:24.039 of yeah, like bring it in, bringing it into a 1623 01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:28.399 new era. And then uh, you know hand over the reins, 1624 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:30.319 and like she said, I mean she's a producer. She's 1625 01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:34.079 been producing since freaking Raiders the Lost Arc, right, yeah, 1626 01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:39.119 so I'm sure there's other worlds she wants to to shepherd. 1627 01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:45.720 Yeah, no, no, I don't, I don't. I mean, I 1628 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:49.800 don't know, and I I think there's the truth is 1629 01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:50.960 probably somewhere in the middle. 1630 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:53.399 Oh yeah, by the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't 1631 01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:58.520 mean to sound naive. I mean yeah. I think the 1632 01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:00.039 problem is that. 1633 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.039 Even if she was making some noise about, hey, we 1634 01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:07.199 need to find a succession plan, I think that it's 1635 01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:10.720 very important both for her and for Disney to not 1636 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.840 make it seem like the trolls claimed a scalp. 1637 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:18.000 Right, And I don't even know that they necessarily did. 1638 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:19.720 But I'm sure she's probably don't. 1639 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:21.319 Like it, but they don't. They don't want to give 1640 01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:21.880 the perception. 1641 01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:26.560 Yes, yes, yes, but I'm sure she's probably gained a 1642 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:28.319 few gray hairs and is like, all right, I did 1643 01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:30.680 what I said I do, and I've accomplished some things 1644 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.239 here that I can be proud of, and you know, 1645 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:33.920 time to move on. 1646 01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:37.439 Well, that's the thing, right, Like number one, she's done 1647 01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:42.199 the job for what thirteen years now, And I say 1648 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:44.359 this all the time. I'm like, who the hell would 1649 01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:46.720 want to do this job? I'd say, let's say she 1650 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:47.600 leaves tomorrow. 1651 01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:51.760 Yeah, everybody is going to be like not it. Yeah, 1652 01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:55.159 you would think, right right, It doesn't matter. 1653 01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:57.119 Who it is. I don't care if it's Dave Feloni 1654 01:27:57.279 --> 01:27:59.960 or John Favreau or George Lucas. 1655 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:02.840 Yes, yeah, I mean you're just no matter what, you're 1656 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:04.640 walking in front of a firing squad. 1657 01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:05.640 Yeah, you know. 1658 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:09.239 Yeah, right, So that that's kind of the issue. 1659 01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:12.479 So in that sense, I think Disney would be like, look, 1660 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:16.640 stay as long as you want like that, that would 1661 01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:20.640 be my guess. Like, I think, on balance, she has 1662 01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:25.439 She's shepherded the franchise in a decent enough way, and 1663 01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:31.399 not to say that it has been perfect, but I 1664 01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:32.840 you know, just off the top of my head, I 1665 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:37.079 feel like there have been more more more successes than not. 1666 01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:40.880 Yeah, I think so. I mean, we're we're pretty honest 1667 01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:43.479 about it. You know, there's things we've connected with, there's 1668 01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:46.359 things we haven't. You know, if you really who knows 1669 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:49.640 how long in history lucasfilm is going to be a thing. 1670 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:52.199 But if you look at it, let's just say it. 1671 01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:55.199 It'll lasts for oh wow, it probably has lasted for 1672 01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:57.399 fifty years. I was gonna say fifty cause snl. But 1673 01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:00.920 let's say one hundred years. Okay. If Lucas isn't gonna 1674 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:02.600 be there forever, and you look at as this long, 1675 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:05.520 long timeline, of course, you'd look at the Lucas years, 1676 01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:08.199 and then you look at the whatever transition is next. 1677 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:09.560 Of course, there's going to be like a slight little 1678 01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:11.880 dip because people have to what is your identity without 1679 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:15.279 George Lucas? What is lucasfilm without Lucas? Yeah, right, there's 1680 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:18.760 gonna be a transition period and then they're gonna figure 1681 01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:21.560 out what works what doesn't. And then in the long 1682 01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:24.000 span of its timeline, of course, it's probably gonna find 1683 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:26.560 some highs again, probably gonna find some lows again. And 1684 01:29:27.159 --> 01:29:29.720 it's a experiment with other things, and that's just kind 1685 01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:31.800 of the way it goes, you know, with something that's 1686 01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:34.239 going to exist for this long you. 1687 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:40.159 Know, I'm I'm contextualizing this with last week's news about 1688 01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:45.560 Amazon taking over the James Bond franchise. Yeah, which, by 1689 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:48.159 the way, if anybody listening to this is interested in 1690 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:52.239 our thoughts on that. We did an in depth conversation 1691 01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:56.199 for a good half hour on our Patreon feed, So 1692 01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:57.960 if you want to hear our thoughts on that, it's 1693 01:29:58.000 --> 01:29:58.359 a lot. 1694 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.479 Yeah, Zaki especially, he's got feelings because he's he's you know, 1695 01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:06.399 he's big Bond fan. So I was, I was pretty 1696 01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:07.680 interested to hear what you thought about it. 1697 01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:12.520 So, yeah, it's it's easy to sort of just be 1698 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:15.359 cynical about all of it, right, like it's just more 1699 01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:19.840 corporate product, and and I I hesitate to do that 1700 01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:21.960 because I'm like, well, these are still made by people, 1701 01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:26.319 and I I think it's possible to have people making 1702 01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:30.399 this this corporate product that's compelling and meaningful and whatever. Right, 1703 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:34.279 I mean, like, you know, the Marvel Universe is this 1704 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:38.159 big expansive thing, but like it like Kevin Figy is 1705 01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:42.000 still the guy doing it m hm, and you know, 1706 01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:45.880 he doesn't always get on base, but for the most part, 1707 01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:51.439 he's he's kept that thing, you know that they're he's 1708 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:54.640 kept our interest, you know. Yeah, And and so I 1709 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:58.560 think it's possible to whether we're talking about Star Wars 1710 01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:03.039 or James Bond, that to find people who care and 1711 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:06.319 want it to be you know, the best it can be. 1712 01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:09.479 Yeah, I mean I think I'm probably just gonna repeat 1713 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:11.319 exactly what you said, but like that was sort of 1714 01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:14.560 where I landed with the whole Amazon Bond thing, because yes, 1715 01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:16.319 I do feel a little cynical about it, where it 1716 01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:20.920 just becomes something that used to be owned and curated 1717 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:24.600 by the people in the family, you know, in the 1718 01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:29.239 families who created it, so they would rather make a 1719 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:33.319 good movie than have something that hits a certain timeline 1720 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:37.720 for a good quarterly profit. Right, And so now that 1721 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:41.680 it's owned by a company that wants to figure out 1722 01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:45.199 how to make their streaming service profitable, you can be 1723 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:47.640 certain it's going to be exploited to some degree. The 1724 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:50.039 hope then, is that the people who are put in 1725 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:53.520 charge of the creative aspects of it really give a 1726 01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:55.520 crap about James Bond. So it's like, all right, well, 1727 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:56.840 if the show's going to exist, let's make it the 1728 01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:01.199 best darn show possible. Yeah. Right, So I guess both 1729 01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:02.760 can be true. You can be a little cynical about 1730 01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:03.920 it but also kind of hopeful. 1731 01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:10.039 Yeah, And that's a hard place to find yourself, because 1732 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:12.399 you know, it's just easier to be cynical. 1733 01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:14.800 I think I'm feeling more cynical than I have in 1734 01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.239 a long time because I'm getting that well with the 1735 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:19.880 Bond thing. But I was hearing about like dark, dark, 1736 01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:24.560 stubbly Brian, Yes, yeah, this is a Spider Man three, 1737 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:29.079 Peter Parker, Brian. What does he say like under his breath? 1738 01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:34.319 Like does he whisper something like cool? Oh yeah, yeah, 1739 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.159 I don't remember, and he's like snaps in a jazz 1740 01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:42.960 trio place. But no, I think when I heard Goonies 1741 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:47.199 two was actually like in the process of being developed 1742 01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:51.399 at least that was like what the straw that brokes Brian's. 1743 01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:52.920 Back broke inside of you that day? 1744 01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:55.319 Well, I mean look at not that it hasn't already happened. 1745 01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:57.000 I mean you really think about it. I mean Top 1746 01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.039 Gun two. If you had said that five years ago, 1747 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:02.039 you'd be like, stop, just top top two. It doesn't 1748 01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:05.399 need to happen. It can't possibly be good. Like it's locked. 1749 01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:07.800 It's locked in time in the eighties. It's an artifact. 1750 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:10.920 It can't be replicated. But they did it, you know, 1751 01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:16.560 Maverick's pretty pretty darn good. But it also makes you realize, oh, well, 1752 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:20.159 then with that success, why wouldn't they do Goonies too. 1753 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.880 Why wouldn't they do? But I get a little weirder 1754 01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:26.920 about Goonies because the thing is, what works about that 1755 01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:32.800 movie is like eighties childhood magic, and you can't like 1756 01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:35.239 they're grown up, they're different. It won't be the same. 1757 01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:38.520 When you do a sequel, you inherently have to undo 1758 01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:40.960 every happy ending you did in the previous movie because 1759 01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:42.720 you need to give them drama. I don't want to 1760 01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:45.960 see how the Goonies kids divorced and unhappy, you know, 1761 01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:47.000 And then you've got that. 1762 01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:50.800 Let me a spoiler, that will for sure be the 1763 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:52.600 case for at least half of. 1764 01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:55.960 Them, right or yeah, yeah, or one will have spent 1765 01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.600 all the treasure in his destitute now, you know. And 1766 01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:00.880 then they're gonna have these kids. And then it's like, really, 1767 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:04.039 you're gonna really try to recreate Lightning in a bottle 1768 01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:06.119 with this like kid cast that we're all gonna love. 1769 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:08.640 And it's just a really tall order. I'm not saying 1770 01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:10.079 they can't do it, but it's a tall order. And 1771 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.479 it just made me. People have been saying this for 1772 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.560 a long time, and I've been trying to be Pollyanna 1773 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:17.760 about it, but it's just like nothing is sacred anymore. 1774 01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:21.000 Nothing is like it's all there to be exploited and 1775 01:34:21.079 --> 01:34:24.520 to make all these companies streaming services stay afloat. 1776 01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:28.439 And then I'm sort of sorry, Brian. Yeah, I'm just 1777 01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:30.319 fascinated by the fact that I'm kind of at a 1778 01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:32.640 more sanguine place about all of this than you are, 1779 01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:35.840 which is new terrain and from this show. 1780 01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:41.119 You know what, though, I it's not like this is 1781 01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.359 keeping me up at night or anything, but I'm sort 1782 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:45.359 of resigned to it. I guess it's. 1783 01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.479 Like, see, I reached resignation like a while ago. I 1784 01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:49.680 think that's kind of See. 1785 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:52.680 Then I will reach sanguine soon. I'm I'm in the 1786 01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:56.399 sort of defeated. Well, that's just the way it is now, 1787 01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:59.960 you know, and we're not gonna that's not entirely true, 1788 01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:03.680 but there's not a lot of new things being created 1789 01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:07.079 so we can have sequels down the line. We're just 1790 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:10.479 continuing to pummel and exploit everything that already exists and 1791 01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:13.119 everything that's beloved that hasn't been exploited yet, like is 1792 01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:15.880 now you know it's gonna happen. Back to the future, 1793 01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:16.760 it's gonna happen. 1794 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.119 Well, okay, so this is my thought right like like 1795 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:23.520 two thousand and you know, summer of twenty twelve. One 1796 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:26.439 thing you knew is that there's not going to be 1797 01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:30.640 any Star Wars without George Lucas says So, there's not 1798 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:33.119 gonna be any James Bond without the Broccolis say so, 1799 01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:34.880 And there's not gonna be any Back to the Future 1800 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:39.159 without the Bobs say so. Well, two of those bulwarks 1801 01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:42.720 are now gone. So right now, right now, Back to 1802 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:46.760 the Future is a load bearing structure in my psyche. 1803 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:50.119 Yeah, I don't even want to have this pass my lips, 1804 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:51.319 but also e t. 1805 01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:56.319 But see, I think ET what works in favor of 1806 01:35:56.359 --> 01:35:59.960 that never being revisited is that the re release flop 1807 01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:01.079 so spectacularly. 1808 01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:07.720 Yes, yeah, I don't know why this is such like 1809 01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:10.000 an inside joke between the two of us, but it's 1810 01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.119 so true. It is it is. I mean, there's that 1811 01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:14.479 that that Onion article we cite all the time right 1812 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:19.760 where it's like hed toys forced on uninterested children. Yeah. 1813 01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:23.880 Although my friend Michael Olson literally texted me last night 1814 01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:25.880 as I was walking out of The Brutalist. He wrote 1815 01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:28.840 me this nice long text about showing ET to his 1816 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:32.840 kids and talking about what he wasn't sure if it 1817 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:34.880 would work, and they're varying ages. Some of them are 1818 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:38.079 quite young, and it worked on all of them. He said. 1819 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:40.920 They all cried, oh sure, I mean my kids love 1820 01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:43.000 eat Yeah, And he said his I think I think 1821 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:45.000 it was his youngest and he's like, you know, poppatrawl, 1822 01:36:45.079 --> 01:36:46.640 these sorts of things. He said. He turned to his 1823 01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:48.199 dad at the end of the movie and said, that 1824 01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:51.319 was the best movie I've ever seen. Wow, look at that. 1825 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:53.039 So I was like, all right, all right, maybe they 1826 01:36:53.039 --> 01:36:54.119 don't want the toys. 1827 01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:56.760 C Brian in the corner like mister Miagi at the 1828 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:57.960 end of the Karate Kid. 1829 01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:01.119 Right. You know what, though I've literally missed it up 1830 01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:04.319 reading that I really did it, I don't know what 1831 01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:06.800 it is that movie imprint printed on me in such 1832 01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:09.960 a powerful way as a child that I just I'm 1833 01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:12.239 really moved hearing that kids are still moved by et 1834 01:37:12.439 --> 01:37:15.199 So absolutely that can be true, and the fact that 1835 01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:17.159 they don't want little action figures of him can also 1836 01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:17.600 be true. 1837 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:23.119 So no, but but but this is the thing. Look, 1838 01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:27.479 I hate to say this, but if the Broccolis can 1839 01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:32.640 sign over James Bond to me back to the future, 1840 01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:34.640 the clock is ticking, if you'll pardon the pun. 1841 01:37:35.159 --> 01:37:37.399 You know what, though, I thought I just saw an interview. 1842 01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:40.279 Someone emailed it to me. I apologize. I don't remember who, 1843 01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:46.199 but it was the karate kid thing, Cobra Kai. The 1844 01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:49.279 creators of Cobra Kai said they have a pitch. Yeah 1845 01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:49.600 that's right. 1846 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:53.520 Yeah, the final episode kind of like nods at that. 1847 01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:58.520 Oh really okay in a funny way, which like, look, 1848 01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:01.239 you know that that whoever is in charge at Universal 1849 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:05.239 whenever it happens, would be chomping at bits to get 1850 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:09.479 right to get that. Yeah, yeah, back in theaters. And again, look, 1851 01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:12.319 whether it happens or doesn't happen, it's at this point 1852 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:18.119 I'm like, I rule nothing out. Mm hmmm, because again, 1853 01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:22.640 you know, two of the pillars have already fallen. 1854 01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:24.760 Right, yeah, yeah, it's gonna happen. 1855 01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:26.840 At some point, and you just have to kind of 1856 01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:28.680 find your zen place where you're just like, well, this 1857 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:30.960 is my version is still there, it's there forever, and 1858 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:33.479 this new one maybe it'll be good, maybe it won't. 1859 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:33.640 You know. 1860 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:37.439 I will say that has been a saving grace for me, 1861 01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:40.000 is that I have reached that with cultural things where 1862 01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:43.960 I yeah, I used to be disheartened by a movie 1863 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:47.119 like Crystal Skull or something like that. But now, nah, 1864 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:49.640 I guess maybe you have to experience those things and 1865 01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:51.720 have some time past to realize that the thing you 1866 01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:55.920 love continues. You will always continue to love that thing, 1867 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:57.720 it will always continue exists, and that can be the 1868 01:38:57.720 --> 01:38:59.359 one you keep going back to. You don't have to 1869 01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:00.359 go to this other stuff. 1870 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.039 I remember, I mean speaking of Karate Kid, I remember 1871 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:07.239 when the remake came out in twenty ten, Yeah, and folks, 1872 01:39:07.319 --> 01:39:10.279 a lot of folks were upset about that. Yeah, And 1873 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:12.479 I was one of the few people who was like, 1874 01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:13.840 it's actually not that bad. 1875 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:15.800 I remember that. I remember that. Yeah. 1876 01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:20.439 Yeah. So you know, when it comes to the whole 1877 01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:23.119 Star Wars of it all, it is like, to me, 1878 01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:27.520 no matter who takes over, what you realize is it's 1879 01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:34.079 like Simpson's Season twenty eight, and it's not. It's not 1880 01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:38.479 season five. It can never be season five, and so 1881 01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:42.039 you have to judge it for what it is and 1882 01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:44.479 either like or dislike it as its own thing, you know. 1883 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:51.560 Yeah, yeah, and these things are becoming like corporate, you know, 1884 01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:53.880 like I don't know if this is a great comparison, 1885 01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:58.880 but like, yeah, something like Star Wars is almost like McDonald's. 1886 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:02.520 You know, it's like it's an American institution now, right, 1887 01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:05.119 And so it will continue on and for a minute, 1888 01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:08.840 they might decide they can make milkshakes quicker using chemicals 1889 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:10.399 or you know, it might not taste quite the same. 1890 01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:13.560 But then someone might go, no, no, we tried that 1891 01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:16.239 and it doesn't feel right. And then you know, and 1892 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:18.479 then we'll start us an ice cream again. Who knows 1893 01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:21.319 like it's it's not going anywhere. It's going to last 1894 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:23.199 for a long time, and we will see ups and 1895 01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:25.760 downs because of that. I think you know what to 1896 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:27.880 deliver that is that is. 1897 01:40:27.800 --> 01:40:31.760 The most hopeful and optimistic place that I think we 1898 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:32.920 can leave this episode at. 1899 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:35.880 Well, I do think it's worth mentioning one more thing 1900 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:40.479 which I didn't realize. Kathleen Kennedy confirmed that there is 1901 01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:42.560 going to be well, I know, I know how this goes, 1902 01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:49.640 but but you know what, I think it's worth saying. 1903 01:40:50.399 --> 01:40:53.760 Sean Levy has a Star Wars movie coming up. Apparently 1904 01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:56.680 that will be the next movie in production after Mandalorian 1905 01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:59.920 and Grogu and apparently it's set to star Ryan Gosling, 1906 01:41:00.920 --> 01:41:05.720 which that's interesting. We talked about that I yeah, yeah, 1907 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:07.520 I guess so, or maybe I didn't know that that 1908 01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:11.000 had come from her directly, but yeah, you know. 1909 01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:15.159 Yeah, and that's set. That's kind of its own thing. 1910 01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:17.239 It's not a Saga movie. They've still got the ray 1911 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:20.039 whatever the hell that's gonna end up being happening. And 1912 01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:23.680 then Simon Kinberg m hm. So you know this is 1913 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:27.640 like a Mangold all right, the Dawn of the Jedi. Think, well, 1914 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:30.039 there's you know, there's some interesting stuff in the pipeline. 1915 01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:31.399 Let's see what happens. I guess. 1916 01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:34.159 And you know what, though, with the Ray thing, I 1917 01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:38.800 will say this favorably as I've just sort of compared 1918 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.159 you know, this stuff to like mass production and they've 1919 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:43.960 got to please a corporate overlord and whatever. They could 1920 01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:47.119 very well have just been like, well, we haven't quite 1921 01:41:47.159 --> 01:41:49.119 cracked it, but we told Disney we'd have a ray 1922 01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:52.640 movie by twenty twenty five, so you know, get the 1923 01:41:52.680 --> 01:41:57.119 cameras rolling. But they haven't. Yeah, you know, I hopefully 1924 01:41:57.159 --> 01:42:00.359 they've you know, taken some lessons from certain things and 1925 01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:00.760 been like. 1926 01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.239 Hey, we'll do it own trilogy of sequels. Wait, what 1927 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:06.359 like their own trilogy. 1928 01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:08.279 Of see sure? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, all right, 1929 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:11.680 this isn't working, Like, well, then let's we we won't 1930 01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:14.039 roll cameras till we find it. That's what I hope 1931 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:17.000 is happening over there. What a concept. 1932 01:42:17.159 --> 01:42:20.560 Yeah, well that's a hopeful place to leave things. 1933 01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:25.680 Actually, I have some unfortunate place, Zachy. God damn it, 1934 01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:28.960 I'm just kidding. Uh yeah, I just I want to 1935 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:30.199 I want to be in my zen place. 1936 01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:31.560 I don't want to live there for a little while. 1937 01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:33.039 Yeah. Same. 1938 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:36.880 Uh well, hey, but let's let us know your thoughts 1939 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:39.880 on on the state of the Star Wars franchise. Should 1940 01:42:39.920 --> 01:42:44.680 Kathleen Kennedy uh get get tossed out all uh jazz 1941 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:52.920 on fresh prints or you know, maybe uh the have 1942 01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:55.560 have a little bit of time where where she where 1943 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:59.079 she co heads the studio with with somebody with with 1944 01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:02.119 new ideas, different ideas. Maybe she can handle the you know, 1945 01:43:02.199 --> 01:43:04.760 kind of like what DC has where James Gunn doing 1946 01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:07.399 the creative end and Peter Saffern doing the money in. 1947 01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:10.079 Yeah, maybe maybe maybe something like that. 1948 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:14.720 Yeah, I do think, you know, Jon Favreau would be 1949 01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:17.079 smart to stay as far away from that job as possible. 1950 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.520 I think so too. I don't know if he wants 1951 01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:22.479 to be like in a boardroom, you know, like I 1952 01:43:22.479 --> 01:43:23.800 want to see him make more movies. 1953 01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:28.119 Yeah, exactly. Now he directed the Mandalorian movie, right, I 1954 01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:31.880 believe so yeah, Okay, Which again, it's weird how that's 1955 01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:34.600 that's this summer? Right, isn't it that this year? 1956 01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:37.720 Isn't it the next one? Oh? In twenty twenty six? 1957 01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:41.319 Now didn't they finished shooting it like four years ago 1958 01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:41.760 or something? 1959 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.039 I don't know. I'm just looking at an article on Kizmoto. 1960 01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:49.279 I mean, I think, look, when it comes to Star Wars, 1961 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:51.439 I've said it all along, we need to increase the scarcity. 1962 01:43:51.479 --> 01:43:53.159 So that's fine, take take as long as you need. 1963 01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:55.359 But I think the movie is done shooting, so I 1964 01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:57.479 do wonder why they're just kind of sitting on it. 1965 01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:00.760 Yeah. 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