1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,839 Speaker 1: Come back to the Epstein chronicles. Today mark day number 2 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,759 ten of the Glenn Maxwell trial, and we had what 3 00:00:08,199 --> 00:00:12,279 was the best performance by the prosecution so far in 4 00:00:12,359 --> 00:00:16,480 this trial, in my opinion, and that was anchored by 5 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:24,359 a pretty powerful testimony given by Annie Farmer. Now, they 6 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:27,519 weren't able to go after Annie the way they were 7 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:30,559 able to go after some of these other girls. And 8 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:34,759 you could see the defense struggling when they didn't have 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:40,719 a pathway to attack people's character or to frame them 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,920 as bad people for bad life choices that I remind 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,399 you mainly came after their experiences with Maxwell and Epstein. 12 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:54,920 So with Annie on the stand today, they weren't really 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,960 able to do that. And now, obviously I wasn't in 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,479 the courtroom. I didn't see, you know, facial expressions and 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,359 stuff like that. But from what I gathered and from 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,400 the information that is available to us about the exchanges 17 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:12,239 and what went on in that courtroom today, it certainly 18 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,439 seems like the prosecution had a much better day to day. Now. 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,079 Not only did Annie tell her story her ex boyfriend 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,120 from from that time, who was they were together in 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,439 high school, he corroborated her story as well and came 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,760 out and told the jury that she told him all 23 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,879 of this stuff back when it happened. Then, of course, 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,239 the final person to take the stand was her mom, 25 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:39,359 and her mom, you know, wasn't on the stand very long, 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,319 but kudos to her mom for getting up there on 27 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:45,599 the stand. And you know, you have to think as 28 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:50,120 a parent that that is a moment that you would 29 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:54,400 want to be able to experience if you can, right, 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,079 to get up there and look into the face of 31 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,519 the person who was accused of hurting your child. So 32 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,159 I thought that that was a pretty good way to 33 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:08,639 end this trial today, way to end this portion of it, 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,319 I should say, And as I stated earlier, I honestly 35 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,759 believe that the prosecution had a much better day to day. Now, 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,080 what will the defense bring next week, that's certainly a 37 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:25,280 question that has to be asked. But as of right 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,159 now and sitting here, after the ten days, I would 39 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:34,840 think that with this, with this piece of testimony, packed 40 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,240 with the other testimony we have heard from the other 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,800 survivors and the other corroboration, I would think that unless 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,120 Maxwell has something up or sleeve here, that the jury 43 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:48,280 is going to be leaning towards a conviction. That's just 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,520 my guess right. I'm not nostrodamis. I don't have any 45 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,039 kind of inside line to what the jury is thinking. 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,280 I'm just looking at it from all of the evidence 47 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:02,560 that has been presented thus far and where we're at now. 48 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:09,800 If we had a prosecution team that was go in 49 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,360 all the way type of prosecution team like we used 50 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,960 to see when they were going after the mafia in 51 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,879 you know, the seventies and the eighties, then this would 52 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,520 have been a huge slam dunk from day one. But 53 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,240 I you know, I'm not a huge fan of this 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,879 prosecution team, and I've said that since it was assembled 55 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,159 back you know, in the beginning, and I'm not impressed 56 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:35,599 by their performance. For the most part here, they were 57 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:41,439 given an essential mountain of evidence, so this shouldn't even 58 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:44,199 be something that's up for debate as far as if 59 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,919 they can get a conviction here. But today was a 60 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:51,240 better day, and when you look at just the testimony 61 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:54,000 from the survivors, I think that that's going to be 62 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:57,039 enough to send it home and get Maxwell sent to prison. 63 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,360 So we'll see what happens, right, We'll see what goes 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,120 down in the next week or so. But today's testimony 65 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:11,000 from Annie was pretty damning as far as the defense goes. 66 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:14,639 So with all of that said, we're going to dive 67 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,879 into some of that testimony and take a look at 68 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,600 what occurred in the courtroom today. So the proceedings get 69 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,439 underway with the first witness, who is an employee of 70 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,560 the New York State Motor Vehicles Department named William Brown. 71 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,399 He is brought up by the prosecution to confirm the 72 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,439 legitimacy of an ID card that was submitted into evidence. 73 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:40,519 So they ask him questions about his knowledge as far 74 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,800 as people receiving ID cards goes, and to this he 75 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:47,600 answers that he is familiar with the process. After referring 76 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:51,600 him to an evidence binder, they ask him how old 77 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:55,040 the person in question was in nineteen eighty five when 78 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,040 they were born, and in turn how old that would 79 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,319 make them in nineteen ninety six. So obviously the number 80 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,959 is eleven. And with the document verified by mister Brown, 81 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,839 the prosecution is finished with the witness and the defense 82 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,759 declines to even cross. So at this point they call 83 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,560 Annie Farmer to the stand. Judge Nathan then directs the 84 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,360 court that Annie's allegations in regards to the contact between 85 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:27,560 Epstein and Maxwell and her in New Mexico. It wasn't 86 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,160 illegal because she was sixteen. Again in a vacuum. It 87 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,680 could be passed off as a coincidence, right, or that 88 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,399 the incident occurred in New Mexico. But when you look 89 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:39,639 at the what Epstein and Maxwell were doing, it just 90 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,000 cements the fact home that Epstein chose New Mexico for 91 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,800 this very reason. Epstein was very much aware that he 92 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,879 could get away with a whole lot more in New 93 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,160 Mexico than he could in New York. Him and Maxwell, 94 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:55,399 they could have built that ranch anywhere they wanted, but 95 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,680 it just so happened to be in New Mexico. Huh, 96 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,720 with their lax age of consent law and him not 97 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,839 having to register there as a sex offender. That's just 98 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:08,759 all a coincidence, right, of course, it's not. Epstein knew 99 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,480 the deal. He knew the loss. How couldn't he. One 100 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,600 of his best buds was Bill Richardson, wasn't it. What 101 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:16,759 about all of the kings from New Mexico that he 102 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,240 was friends with. Didn't he buy his land from them? 103 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:23,439 So the rabbit hole is deep when it comes to 104 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:27,439 New Mexico. And I'll tell you what that's certainly something 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,279 that I am not going to forget about, that I'm 106 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,839 not going to just stop looking into. In fact, I 107 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:37,800 know another trip down there at some point is going 108 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:44,000 to be necessary. When Annie is asked if she recognizes 109 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,439 any of the people in the courtroom who has ever 110 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,199 given her a massage, she says yes, and she points 111 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:53,920 out Glenn Maxwell. She has then asked some basic questions 112 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:56,800 such as where she was born, to which he replies Missouri. 113 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,199 They asked about her family's finances, and Annie tells the 114 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,240 court that her parents were divorced and she was worried 115 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,800 about where she'd be getting money to go to college from. 116 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,800 You know, the typical worries that kids have at this age, right, 117 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,199 especially if you have your site set on going to school. 118 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:16,839 It's an expensive deal, and a lot of people who 119 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:20,839 come from broken homes or one parent homes, or especially 120 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:23,639 the working poor, the idea of being able to actually 121 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:26,720 pay to go to a good college is about as 122 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,879 far away as being able to walk to Mars. It 123 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,959 just doesn't really come up in the conversation as far 124 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:36,120 as paying for it, right, So you have to work 125 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,240 to get a scholarship, grants, loans and all of that stuff. 126 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:42,000 So Annie was dealing with the same kind of feelings 127 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,680 any of us would be dealing with, how are we 128 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,160 gonna go to school? How am I gonna further my education? 129 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,439 I don't want to be a burden on my parents. 130 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,519 And then someone like Jeffrey Epstein slides into the conversation 131 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,959 with Glenn Maxwell and you know, they promise you the world. 132 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,079 They asked about her siblings, and she responded, you know, 133 00:08:04,199 --> 00:08:08,319 she had siblings, and she talked about her older sister, Maria, 134 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:10,800 who was nine years older than her and who was 135 00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:13,519 living in New York at the time. Maria was employed 136 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,879 by Jeffrey Epstein at this time. She was working with him, 137 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,439 you know, in a art for different pieces of art, 138 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,240 to look at different art pieces figure if they were 139 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:26,120 good to buy, and that kind of thing, right, and 140 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,279 Maria had been hooked up with them via the art 141 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:34,399 school that she was going to. And that is a 142 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,639 tale for a whole for a different time. In fact, 143 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,519 I'll upload an article, i mean, an episode about all 144 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,600 of that to give some more context to how Maria 145 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:49,200 even ended up working for Jeffrey Epstein in the first place. Maria, 146 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,679 who was Annie's older sister, obviously she was in New 147 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:54,799 York pursuing her art career when she was hooked up 148 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:58,200 with a job at Epstein's by friends of the pedophile 149 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,600 who were big shots at the art school that she 150 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,960 was attending and in the art world. When asked who 151 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,000 paid for the ticket to New York, and he says 152 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,279 she was excited to see her family and that you know, 153 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,480 she wanted to go see her mom, and that the 154 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,919 ticket was paid for by Epstein. She recalls going to 155 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,399 Jeffrey Epstein's grand home, which was the Manhattan Townhouse, and 156 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,559 she also tells the court about her living arrangements while 157 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,519 she was in New York. She was staying with her sister. 158 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,480 She goes on to tell the court how Epstein Pepperter 159 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,000 with questions such as what her future plans were, and 160 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,799 he of course had to tell her about all of 161 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:42,200 his connections, with UCLA being mentioned as one of the 162 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,440 schools he had the hookup at. Now we know Epstein 163 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,799 had his paws into all kinds of schools, universities, high schools, 164 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,600 you name it. And he certainly had his meat hooks 165 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:59,039 into a bunch of different scientists and academics. And what 166 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,759 Epstein would do is he would dangle this in front 167 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:04,960 of these girls. Him and Maxwell, they'd bring these girls 168 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,840 into the atmosphere and then oh, I know this guy. 169 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:10,639 I can get you into this school. Oh you don't 170 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,279 have to worry about it. Do this for me, and 171 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,720 then I'll make sure that you're taken care of. But 172 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,360 Epstein wasn't following through on a lot of that stuff, 173 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,679 was he. He also gave her advice on what she 174 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,840 should do to make sure she got the proper nudge 175 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,759 in the right direction on her application by taking an 176 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:33,720 international learning trip, and this was obviously foreshadowing for the 177 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:37,559 trip that she ended up going on to Thailand and 178 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,840 Vietnam later on to further her goals of trying to 179 00:10:42,919 --> 00:10:48,759 get into a better school. Annie goes onto her account 180 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,480 their time together, telling the court about how he took 181 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,720 her to see Phantom of the Opera and then to 182 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:56,720 see a movie. It was at this movie where Epstein 183 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,080 first made his move. Epstein was sitting between Annie and 184 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:07,360 was sitting Uh was sitting between Annie and Uh. Maria 185 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,759 and Jeffrey began to fondle her leg. She said it 186 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,799 made her confused and sick to her stomach. Whenever Maria 187 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:17,120 would look over Epstein would stop his behavior. When asked 188 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,320 if she told Maria what Epstein did to her, she 189 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,399 says that she was scared that if she told Maria, 190 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:25,600 who was protective of her, that what Epstein was doing, 191 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,679 that she would be upset and she would say something 192 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,840 that would end up making her lose her job. So 193 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:37,600 instead of telling Maria what happened, Annie was just quiet. 194 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:42,519 Prosecution then moves on to Annie's journal and they asked 195 00:11:42,519 --> 00:11:44,919 her if she wrote in it often. To this, Annie 196 00:11:44,919 --> 00:11:48,240 responds that while she sometimes used the journal to mark 197 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,759 certain events in her life, she wasn't consistent in updating it. 198 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,799 So it wasn't like she was updating her journal journal 199 00:11:55,879 --> 00:12:00,279 every single day in a militant fashion. It was when 200 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,600 she had, you know, big life events, or she had 201 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,240 the time to get to it, she would update it. 202 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:08,039 The journal is then displayed on screen in the court 203 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:11,480 and and he goes on to recount certain entries to 204 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,799 the court about the trip to see Phantom of the 205 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:17,120 Opera and how she drank champagne with Epstein. Grown ass man. 206 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:19,919 Shouldn't be drinking with this little girl anyway. Again, just 207 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,440 you know another thing we should overlook, right, but me 208 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,960 or you we do something like that, forget it getting 209 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:33,799 put under the prison. She also accounts how she was 210 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,159 weirded out by Epstein at the movie They went to. 211 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,840 Prosecution then asks her what her feelings were when she 212 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,399 was writing this entry, and she said that she had 213 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,960 had feelings that conflicted with each other, but she was 214 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,200 trying to rationalize and normalize what was occurring with Epstein. 215 00:12:49,799 --> 00:12:53,080 Her journal continued on about how she was thinking of 216 00:12:53,159 --> 00:12:56,639 doing something in Africa as far as her international trip went. 217 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,480 The you know how Epstein was telling her that she 218 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,480 should think of about going on one of these trips 219 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,879 to bolster her resume so that she would have a 220 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:07,879 better chance to getting into one of these bigger schools. 221 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,960 So the questioning then turns to the trip to New Mexico. 222 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,279 When asked when she went to New Mexico, she told 223 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:20,919 the court that it was the spring of nineteen ninety six, April, 224 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,559 she believes, And he goes on to tell the court 225 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,279 that she landed in Santa Fe and that there was 226 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,360 a car service that was waiting for her when she arrived, 227 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,080 and this car service took her to Stanley to Jeffrey 228 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,840 Epstein's Zoro ranch. It was here where she met Maxwell 229 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,840 for the first time. And remember Maxwell, you know, is 230 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:46,080 supposed to be this upstanding lady from Hya culta, who 231 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,679 is somebody you don't worry about being a predator, right 232 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,000 That's not the last thing you're thinking about is you're 233 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:55,399 going to be preyed upon by these high class upper 234 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:01,720 you know, upper level so called elites. But unfortunately, the 235 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,840 more you look into these people, the more you find 236 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,399 out that they're all wired screwed up. It's like once 237 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,320 you start making you know, a billion dollars, five hundred 238 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,240 million dollars, your whole entire brain has scrambled and you 239 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:19,440 become some kind of weirdo right away. It was here 240 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,519 where she met Maxwell for the first time. She described 241 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:25,480 Maxwell as slim and attractive who was in her thirties. 242 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:29,440 She also described Maxwell as well spoken and articulate, and 243 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:32,639 having a British accent. She told the court that knowing 244 00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:35,679 Maxwell was there made her feel more comfortable with the 245 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,080 incident in New York that happened with Epstein previously still 246 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,200 fresh in her mind. So again Annie is going here, 247 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:48,080 according to her testimony, with the thinking that because Maxwell's there, 248 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,559 that this is going to be okay. She's not going 249 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,080 to have to worry about being abused or Jeffrey Epstein 250 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,200 touching her in unwonted ways. But what occurred was something 251 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,799 completely different, wasn't it. What occurred was not only did 252 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:08,919 Maxwell break that covenant, but Maxwell, according to Annie's testimony, 253 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:16,679 abused her herself. She told the Cord that knowing Maxwell 254 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:19,799 was there made her more comfortable, and with the incident 255 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:22,320 in New York that happened with Epstein previously still fresh 256 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,840 in her mind, especially considering when Annie witnessed them together 257 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:28,879 acting intimate, she thought that they were a couple. That 258 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,480 was the biggest pump fake Maxwell and Epstein had in 259 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:34,879 their arsenal. Though, folks, though we are the couple card, 260 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,039 it was bs from the jump. They were never a couple. 261 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:41,679 They were working together in tandem a lot earlier than 262 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,480 the official narrative had it in the first place. We 263 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,960 were telling you four years that that was the case, 264 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,960 by the way, but it's the whole entire setup of 265 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,759 them being a couple is just looney tune, fakeland. It 266 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,799 might as well have come out of the onion. Now. 267 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,399 She might have had the hots for Epstein for a 268 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:05,840 little while or whatever, but not the same way we do. 269 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,080 Not that I'll jump in front of a train for 270 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,120 my loved one. I'll take a bullet for the girl 271 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:12,480 I love or the man I love. It's not the 272 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,440 same kind of love. They were working as partners, both 273 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,600 looking to increase their profile, increase their wealth, and increase 274 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:29,519 their place in so called elite society. They were never 275 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:33,080 a couple in a true sense. They were business partners, 276 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,919 and when asked who told her that Maxwell would be there, 277 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,679 she said that her mother did. And when you hear 278 00:16:38,679 --> 00:16:41,759 from her mom later on, her mom asked Epstein, who 279 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:44,399 was gonna be chaperoning this whole thing? Like, I'm gonna 280 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:48,960 send my daughter with some man, there's no chaperone, and Maxwell, well, 281 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:50,679 she talks to her mom and says, Oh, I'm gonna 282 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:53,600 be the chaperone, and then this kind of shit occurs. 283 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:57,440 Can you imagine. I can't even begin to tell you. 284 00:16:57,879 --> 00:17:00,919 I'm not even a party to this, right, I'm not 285 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,240 somebody who has been abused by them or anything. And 286 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:06,319 I hate Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein with the heat of 287 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,720 a thousand burning suns. And I don't hate very many people, folks. 288 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:14,559 It's really not in my DNA to run around hating people. 289 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,480 But what these people did for as long as they 290 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:21,440 did it is just so disgusting to me that I 291 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:24,400 really don't have words, honestly to describe how much I 292 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:35,960 detest these people. Prosecution then goes on to ask about 293 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,680 the conversations had with Maxwell and Annie, and Annie tells 294 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,680 them they talked about things such as her favorite British authors, school, 295 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,079 and just life in general. Now, imagine being such a 296 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,119 smarmy ass scumball that you're sitting here gaining this young 297 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,839 girl's confidence, asking her about things like who her favorite 298 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,759 authors are, life in general, school, all of the things 299 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:00,200 that you would be asking to build trust, right, to 300 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:04,079 try and get into the inner circle, to show her, 301 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,440 Oh I'm interested in you, Oh I care about what 302 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,960 your life is, what's going on in your life. And now, 303 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,079 mind you, this is a young sixteen year old girl 304 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:17,039 and some pashaz British socialite, so of course she's going 305 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,279 to be a bit enamored with Glen Maxwell. Right, Maxwell 306 00:18:20,279 --> 00:18:22,799 had the kind of life, at least on the outside, 307 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,240 the way they lived, a jet setting, you know, a 308 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,960 bunch of money, the kind of life people aspire to. 309 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,240 Prosecution then asks about leaving the ranch at all while 310 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:36,279 she was there, and she says that they left the 311 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,799 ranch to go to a natural food store where they 312 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:42,119 where she was bought Hannah by Maxwell, and then they 313 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,119 also visited a western wear store where she bought a 314 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,759 pair of cowboy boots. Now, this is the pair of 315 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:50,279 cowboy boots that have been in question all day. This 316 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,400 is the cowboy the pair of cowboy boots that have 317 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,359 been talked about for a few months now. Now, remember 318 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,440 we did an episode I don't even remember when at 319 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,559 this point a few months back about the cowboy boots 320 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,759 and how the defense was looking to get them brought 321 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:10,880 up and put in as evidence. And they got their 322 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,440 way here, right, the boots were brought in and put 323 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,559 into evidence, and this is the questioning that came with it. 324 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,759 She says, Epstein paid, but Maxwell was there. Annie tells 325 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:28,160 the court that the boots cost over one hundred dollars 326 00:19:28,319 --> 00:19:30,440 and that she was very thankful and very gracious for 327 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,200 the gift. While she might have been grateful for the gift, 328 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,279 she didn't want to go to the movies again due 329 00:19:35,319 --> 00:19:37,680 to the first time in New York, but she thought 330 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,720 that things might be a little different considering that Maxwell 331 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:44,079 was with them. So after buying the boots, you know, 332 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,160 the time for the movie. So they go see the 333 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:53,200 movie Primal Fear, and unfortunately, having Maxwell there wasn't any 334 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:58,720 help at all. This again shows Maxwell's role as a groomer, 335 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,359 as a normal eye of this sort of behavior. In 336 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,000 my opinion, to get here, get her this comfortable, and 337 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,960 then bring her into the viper's nest is just beyond 338 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,039 the pale folks. And I just don't have any sympathy 339 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:15,000 or empathy for it. And I don't see how there's 340 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,359 anyone who could believe, when you know all of the 341 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,680 stuff that we have talked about, that we have seen, 342 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:31,000 that she wasn't grooming these girls. It is absurd. If 343 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:34,359 Epstein is doing it while his intimate partner, another adult 344 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,920 is here, it has to be okay, right, Remember, we 345 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,400 are talking about a sixteen year old girl here. This 346 00:20:39,519 --> 00:20:42,079 is not some gray area, not a nineteen year old 347 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,519 stupid boy who has a sixteen year old girlfriend. We're 348 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:49,400 talking about a powerful pair of well connected people who 349 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,960 understand what they're doing. They understand that they're manipulating the situation. 350 00:20:55,319 --> 00:20:57,319 Why don't they have girls there that of their age? 351 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,279 Why don't they go to one of their ohs foot 352 00:21:00,319 --> 00:21:02,640 haunts and go get you some girls that are you know, 353 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:06,960 other elites. Yeah, you know why right, because they never 354 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,279 ever prey on themselves. It's always the most vulnerable amongst us. 355 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,680 It's always the poor. And frankly, I'm tired of bullies 356 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,559 in general, and I'm certainly tired of bullies like these 357 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:25,319 bitch ass scoundrels. When pressed by the prosecutor about the 358 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,160 length of the unwonted groping in the movie Theater, Annie 359 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,519 responded that it took place for most of the movie 360 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,440 they were seeing, the movie Primal Fear. She says he 361 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:35,640 was brazen about what he was doing and not trying 362 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,240 to hide it. So obviously Maxwell was aware of Epstein 363 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:41,920 touching Annie in the movie Theater, and she didn't step 364 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480 up to the plate either because you know why, and 365 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:47,960 obviously just my opinion, but in my opinion, she didn't 366 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,559 try and help Annie, because that was the whole reason 367 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:53,680 Annie was there to try and groom her and get 368 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:59,640 Jeffrey Epstein a new person in his little crew that 369 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,039 Max Well was providing for him. And it was just 370 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:07,759 just a gross process. When you watch it unfold, when 371 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:11,599 you watch the role Maxwell played time and time again 372 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,079 here to groom these girls, to normalize the procedure and 373 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,519 to give them comfort. It is just beyond the pal 374 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:27,759 She says, she was excuse me, so after the movie, 375 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,119 when they got back to the ranch, Glenn Maxwell instructed 376 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,640 her how to rub Jeffrey Epstein's feet, and she'd even 377 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,480 given her a crash course on how to do it. 378 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 And he says that they just did that. She just 379 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,599 did what Maxwell told her to do. She watched and 380 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,039 did as she was instructed. And he goes on to 381 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,880 explain how Maxwell sat and held one of Epstein's feet 382 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:51,640 and instructed her to massage the other. Now, a little 383 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,480 bit of a divergent course here, but we know that 384 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:59,279 Virginia also was talking about the feet massaging and how 385 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,599 she had to massage Matt Groening, the creator of the Simpsons, 386 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,440 feet on that plane, and she said that his feet 387 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,960 were gross. So you see a pattern here with feet, right. 388 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,240 It's certainly something that is one of their fetishes, obviously, 389 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:18,880 and I think that the government hit paid dirt here. 390 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,839 In my opinion, this once again strengthens the case of 391 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,839 Maxwell that she wasn't only along for the ride, but 392 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,839 she was also engaging in the abuse herself, and when 393 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,599 asked about the massage, Annie told the court that she 394 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,400 was very uncomfortable and she wanted it to be over quickly. 395 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,079 She also details how there was a massage table set 396 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,519 up in the room where she was staying and explains 397 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:46,640 how when she was explains how she was told to 398 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,480 get undressed by Maxwell and then asked what she was 399 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,519 wearing during that act, She says she wasn't wearing anything. 400 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,599 Annie continues telling the court that Maxwell pulled the sheet down, 401 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,680 exposed her, and then touched her breast. Annie also says 402 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,920 that she could feel that Epstein was watching Maxwell touch 403 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,319 her breasts. She was sixteen, remember. Then Annie goes on 404 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,920 to tell the court about Epstein creeping into bed with 405 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,880 her and saying he just wanted to cuddle. So as 406 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,960 Maxwell is sexually abusing her, but it's okay because it's 407 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000 in New Mexico, right, Because as Maxwell's sexually abusing her, 408 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,039 this nasty ass, gross son of a bitch Epstein standing 409 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,119 out in the hallway watching. But no, Maxwell had nothing 410 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,799 to do with this, folks, She was just She's a 411 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:38,839 victim herself. Lock her up, throw away the key, I 412 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,119 mean a grown ass man talking about cuddling with this 413 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,640 little girl. Once again, Epstein chose New Mexico for a reason. 414 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,920 She goes on to tell the court about a trip 415 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,400 to Thailand and Vietnam, how it was a cultural immersion trip, 416 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:55,839 and when asked who paid for it, she responded that 417 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,599 Epstein did. When asked if she had any other contact 418 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:02,240 with Epstein and Maxwell after the she says no, So 419 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,000 again Epstein was talking about that cultural trip, right, and 420 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,640 that was again part of the grooming process. You send 421 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,000 these girls on enough trips, you give them enough things, 422 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,319 then their behavior they feel in their mind because everybody 423 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,839 else around them is doing it, remember, is normalized. So 424 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,519 that's why they shower them with gifts. That's why they 425 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:26,279 continue to give them things, she tells the court. When 426 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,720 asked about who she told, she says that she told 427 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,519 her mother first. When asked if she told anyone else, 428 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,559 she says that she had a boyfriend at the time 429 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,799 and that she had told him as well. Now we'll 430 00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,519 hear from him at the end here. He gives testimony 431 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:46,119 today to corroborate what Annie had to say. When asked 432 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,440 if she ever spoke with the media, Annie says that 433 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,160 she has many times. She brings up the first time 434 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,200 in two thousand and two when Vicky Warden Vanity Fair 435 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,920 burned her in Maria and decided to quash the part 436 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:03,359 about the Epstein's abuse, and then asked if she went 437 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,079 to law enforcement, she responds that yes, she had in 438 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,559 two thousand and six and two thousand and seven to 439 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,960 the do Nothing ask FBI. She didn't say that. I 440 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,720 just added that, because you know, the FBI is only 441 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,200 interested if you know you're poor or somebody that they 442 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,079 can move the needle on. Certainly not Jeffrey Epstein. God 443 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,559 forbid they rock the boat. The prosecution then asks Annie 444 00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,079 if she had ever been paid for any of the interviews, 445 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:32,160 and she responds that she had not ever been She's 446 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,400 never been paid for any of them. She says that 447 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,720 she spoke off the record to the media in twenty 448 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:41,039 and sixteen and on the record in twenty nineteen. When 449 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,920 asked about interviews with law enforcement in New York, she 450 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,519 says she was interviewed in twenty nineteen by the NYPD 451 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,039 and then she sued Epstein and Maxwell that fall. When 452 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,759 asked if she participated in the victims Compensation Fund, she responded, 453 00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,240 she did. She received one point five million dollars from it. Now, 454 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,279 first of all, that's not enough my opinion. Second of all, 455 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,119 this is a big problem for the defense with that 456 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,440 money being paid out. It is the estate admitting fault 457 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,119 and admitting culpability and liability and saying that Epstein is 458 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,960 guilty of the child of the crimes charged. Why else 459 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,759 would they be paying this money out. It would be 460 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,279 insane for them to pay this money out if they 461 00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:26,319 didn't think that this was happening, right, if they didn't 462 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,799 think any of this was true. So you mean to 463 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,880 tell me Maxwell was hanging out with Epstein this whole 464 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,799 entire time and she knew nothing about it. Huh. They 465 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,480 were sleeping in the same room. She knew nothing about it. Huh. 466 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:39,880 They were paling around closer than you know, Abbott and Costello, buth. 467 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,000 So this is a big problem for the defense in 468 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,240 my opinion. It really again, you know, we talked about 469 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,319 those foundational blocks that were being lent. Now we're getting 470 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,119 some you know, siding and some roofing going on here. 471 00:27:52,240 --> 00:28:03,119 Folks also states that her lawyers worked pro bono asked 472 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,319 if she had a financial stake in this case, Annie 473 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,599 responds that she does not have a financial stake. Now, 474 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,319 with that the prosecution is done and they turn Annie 475 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,440 over as a witness to the defense. Handling this portion 476 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,759 for the defense is Laura Meninger. Menager starts in right away, 477 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,920 asking questions about Annie's travel arrangements to New York and 478 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,200 who set it up. She states that it was her 479 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,799 sister Maria who set up her flight. Meninger also states 480 00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,559 that Annie also went to flea markets and saw the 481 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,839 Blue Man Group while she was in New York, and 482 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,559 to this Annie agrees. When asked if Maxwell took her 483 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,400 to the Lion King, Annie responds no. When asked about 484 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,839 vibrators and massagers or other sex toys being shown anything 485 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,079 like that while she was in New York, she says 486 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,759 she didn't see any of that. Now, they wouldn't just 487 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:56,240 bring that out right away, right They have to establish 488 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,200 that this is somebody who is going to be able 489 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,000 to be groomed, be brought into the process to make 490 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:10,359 it normalized. She was also asked if Maxwell was present 491 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,720 at this time, to which she responded that she was not. 492 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,079 Mettinger then moves to the journal entries, pointing out where 493 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,279 Annie stated that her trip to the Phantom of the 494 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,720 Opera was the best night of her trip, trying to 495 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:27,119 insinuate it would seem that she enjoyed herself when creepy 496 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:29,519 ass Epstein was rubbing on her leg. That's certainly what 497 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,640 it seems like. I mean, why it's I mean, I 498 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,160 get it right. She's a defense attorney. This is her job. 499 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,759 She has to explore every avenue to try and get 500 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,200 her client off. But a lot of this questioning is 501 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,839 kind of ridiculous in my opinion, and I think it 502 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,720 does more harm than it does good. Now, again, I'm 503 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,039 certainly not a lawyer, and I'm not somebody who is 504 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,799 locked into trials on a daily basis, But just from 505 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,200 the peanut gallery over here, it certainly looks like this 506 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:06,880 is a losing strategy for the defense. She then goes 507 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,200 on to question how anyone can confirm who invited her 508 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,680 to New Mexico without any evidence. Again, not a good 509 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,880 look here from Menager, in my opinion, and I would 510 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,799 think that the Jerry might not be fans of it either. 511 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,119 Meninger then tries to say that Annie used the release 512 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,559 date of the movie they went to see Primal Fear 513 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,839 as a Marker working backwards to put her story together, 514 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,640 acting like Annie needed this movie to, you know, shock 515 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,839 her into her memory. It's kind of like for me 516 00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:35,960 when I look at it, you know, like if you're 517 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,319 out on a hike or whatever, or you're out somewhere 518 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,680 and you might not have an idea of where you are, well, 519 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440 you look at Markers right to try and establish where 520 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,880 you're at, what your location is. And it's the same 521 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,799 thing here. When you have an event to her and 522 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,920 there was a serious traumatic event, you're going to remember 523 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,079 the movie you were at, right, You're going to remember 524 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:58,519 where you were. You might not remember all of the 525 00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,440 little details, but you're gonna remember this sort of thing. 526 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,119 Annie responds that she wouldn't say it that way, and 527 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,759 Manager continues on her narrative, asking about the journal and 528 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,519 what she didn't write in it, and asking about if 529 00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:17,759 she communicated with a journalist and told him that she'd 530 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,359 research the release date of Primal Fear. Annie responds with 531 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:24,640 yes to this question. Again, looks to me like it's 532 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,839 a pointless line for the defense, but they obviously have 533 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:37,279 a game plan. Meninger then says Annie didn't state the 534 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,319 contact with Epstein Weird in her journal, and Annie tells 535 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,680 the court that she was struggling with processing what had 536 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,400 occurred at the time. So just because you don't talk 537 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,960 about it right away doesn't mean it never happened. And 538 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,640 a lot of times, especially when you're talking about young 539 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,359 girls like this or young boys, they're trying to process 540 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000 what happened, trying to go through their feelings and unpack things. 541 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,880 So if you're going to look at a journal entry 542 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,039 and say, oh, well, it wasn't in the journal, so 543 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:06,920 it didn't happen, it's absolutely ridiculous. And I don't see 544 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,720 how anyone on a jury could sit there and say, oh, yeah, 545 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:12,799 that's a you know, that's a really really convincing line 546 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:23,519 of defense. The defense continues their typical scum baggery, stating 547 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,519 that Anley Annie only thought that what happened to her 548 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:33,079 was weird in hindsight. What so crazy? Right, So, oh, 549 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,599 it was only weird in hindsight, as if you're supposed 550 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:39,200 to unpack and process it as it's happening. Seems to 551 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,119 me that Meninger has no idea about trauma, And frankly, 552 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,680 I'm not some kind of expert either, but I've at least, 553 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,960 you know, read a few books. I mean, come on, 554 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,920 everybody knows that when there's a traumatic incident, when somebody's 555 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:57,400 sexually assaulted or something like that, that a lot of 556 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,960 times people might even compartments, that people might even try 557 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,519 and have that as a repressed memory, and it takes 558 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:12,200 something that triggers them for it to come out. When 559 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,839 asked if the journal helped her remember details of different 560 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,039 life events, Annie somewhat agreed with that statement. After the 561 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,680 cross continued for a little bit, Judge Nathan Well, she 562 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:27,000 declared lunch. Now coming back from lunch, Menainger continues on 563 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,839 with her questions. She asks Annie about a cook who 564 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,960 was on the ranch that she didn't mention while on 565 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:36,240 direct and Annie responds that she has no recollection of that. Menager, 566 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,839 with her typical snark, asks about the big, glorious Zoro 567 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,200 Ranch and if she had seen it at the time, 568 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,319 and Annie again responds with no. First of all, she 569 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,839 called Epstein's place in New York big and glorious. But 570 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,279 Meninger has to be snarky. She has to try and 571 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:57,480 be cute here and use those very words when explaining 572 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,839 Epstein's Zoro Ranch ridiculous. Now they're circling back to the 573 00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,920 boots that were purchased by Epstein with Maxwell for Annie 574 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,519 and Menager boy. She loves framing questions as statements good 575 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:13,360 old lawyer speak. Menager states that Annie mentioned the cowboy 576 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,880 boots and that on the trip she spent a good 577 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,320 amount of time horseback riding. Annie asked a menager if 578 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,719 that is a question, and Menager replies by asking if 579 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,480 she told the FBI that in two thousand and six, 580 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,039 If she told the FBI that in two thousand and six, 581 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960 and Annie replies yes, So you see what manager does here? 582 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,360 Menainger makes statements and says, you know, isn't it so 583 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,960 didn't this happen? Isn't it truthful that instead of asking questions, 584 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,360 right to try and make it seem that this is 585 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,039 a fact right off of the jump for the jury anyway, 586 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,880 that it's a fact that this happened, and it is 587 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,800 typical lawyer speak and definitely something that is employed by 588 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:05,360 a high profile lawyer such as this. She continues with 589 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,400 her statements framed as questions by asking her if she 590 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,440 wore the boots even though they were evidence, and Annie 591 00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,559 responds that she wore them to go line dancing in 592 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,079 I mean, what the fuck else is she's supposed to 593 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:17,920 do with the boots put them on her hands and 594 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,760 clap like a seal. I'm ridiculous. The whole thing is absurd, 595 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,480 The whole line of questioning is absurd, and I really 596 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,239 don't think that Maxwell's legal team has done enough here 597 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,400 as far as the witness testimony has gone. Now, the 598 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,199 other parts of the case, they've definitely done a better job, 599 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,840 but when it comes to the witness testimony, Look, you 600 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,199 can only go so far in assalling the truth. Manager 601 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,119 again with the question rapped as a statement, so you 602 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,000 wore the boots that Jeffrey Epstein gave you when you danced, 603 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,360 trying to insinuate that whatever happened to Annie while with 604 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,960 Epstein and Maxwell wasn't that big of a deal, since 605 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,199 you know, she kept the boots. Maybe she was dancing 606 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,880 in those boots. Imagine that Maxwell and Epstein were beneath her, 607 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,320 who knows what was going on, But again, with the 608 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,000 boots and her keeping the boots as some kind of 609 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:16,559 defense strategy, pretty absurd to me. Mettinger then asks about 610 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,480 the massage and how Annie stated that she was naked 611 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,239 for the massage, but she told the journalists that she 612 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,840 had no bra on to this. The prosecution objects, but 613 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,679 they're overruled by Judge Nathan. The defense goes on to 614 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,679 ask if Annie remembers Epstein pushing an erect penis into 615 00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,639 her back, and she responds that she did not recall 616 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,199 that occurring. Asking if she told her mother she was 617 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,719 raped or sexually abused, Annie replies, she said she was 618 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,719 not raped, but she didn't say she wasn't sexually abused. 619 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:50,679 Two very different things, right, both heinous, no doubt about it. 620 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,280 But they're trying to insinuate because she didn't tell her 621 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,840 mother that she wasn't raped, that nothing happened, as if 622 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,800 having gross ass gusting Epstein putting his hands on you 623 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,840 and Maxwell fondling you in an unwonted manner isn't bad enough. 624 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,440 Asking about the compensation fund now, Menager asks if she 625 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:23,880 will if she she told the fund that handholding was abuse. 626 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,360 Again ridiculous, Again trying to minimalize what Annie went through 627 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,800 and what Epstein and Maxwell did to her. Annie replies 628 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,760 that she told them in detail what happened, and they 629 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,519 obviously believed it, considering they paid her a one point 630 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:41,400 five million dollars. People like Epstein's estate managers are pinching 631 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,400 every penny. They hated that fund. They didn't want to 632 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,639 pay any of that money out. Not only did they 633 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:48,960 pay that money out. Once they paid it out, they 634 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,119 accepted culpability, and they accepted blame for what happened or else, 635 00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,719 why are you paying restitution? So Maxwell's team here trying 636 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,719 to bring up the fund blows up in their face 637 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,400 in mind opinion, considering that her ace in the hole, 638 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,599 her pal, Jeffrey Epstein, basically just admitted that he did 639 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,679 all of this. Now, not him himself, but his estate. 640 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,960 The questioning now moves to Annie's legal representation, and Menager, 641 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,880 in one of the more ironic moments thus far, considering 642 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,840 her fat legal fees, asked if Annie knows how much 643 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,519 Boys and Schiller have made off of the Epstein case. 644 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,119 To this, judge Nathan finally decides to do something worthwhile. 645 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,519 She objects, yet Menager continues to press the point home. 646 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,519 Now Nathan emphetically emphatically demands that the lawyer stops. So look, 647 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,320 Maxwell's team has been pushing the envelope the whole entire trial. 648 00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:46,000 They've borderline doxed some of the survivors. They have pushed 649 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,400 the envelope with Judge Nathan and they haven't been sanctioned, 650 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:57,000 they haven't been slapped down, none of it. Again, Manager 651 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,079 spins the conversation, this time landing on a what's that 652 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,159 group of Epstein's survivors and says that Annie was part 653 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,320 of that group. She then says that Annie and Virginia 654 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,119 have emailed each other. Seems like the defense is trying 655 00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:11,800 to set this up as like some kind of huge 656 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,800 plot to extort money from Epstein and Maxwell. You would 657 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,199 have to be Helen Keller blind to see it that way. 658 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,960 The survivors became close because they understood what the others 659 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,159 had went through, and because, if you want the truth, 660 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,960 nobody else really cared. After a few more minutes, Menager 661 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:32,400 is done and then Prosecutor Pomerantce moves in for the redirect. 662 00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,440 Prosecution asks Annie if she recalls talking to the FBI 663 00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,360 and giving statements in two thousand and six, and Annie 664 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,039 responds that she did. Remember. Again, the movie Primal Fear 665 00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:46,079 is brought up, and Annie explains the movie and its plot. 666 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,719 The prosecution then asks if Annie needed a piece of 667 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,840 paper to remember that she was groped and fondled on 668 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,159 her breast by Maxwell, to which Maxwell's team objects. Annie 669 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,920 responds that she didn't need a journal entry to remember that, 670 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,920 and that the incident was so distressing that those are 671 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,760 the things that we remember. Annie goes on to say 672 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,920 that she believes that Maxwell and Epstein were attempting to 673 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,519 blur the lines and normalize behavior that wasn't normal in 674 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,920 order to sexually abuse her. Of course, to this there 675 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,960 is an objection, but it's overruled by Judge Nathan. At 676 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,039 that point, however, they're done as far as the cross, 677 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,039 I mean the redirect. So Annie has done for the 678 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:33,000 day and she leaves on that note. And like I said, 679 00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:37,119 I found Annie's testimony today to be very damning for 680 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:41,079 the defense. She was very solid giving her testimony, and 681 00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:42,880 I think it's going to go a long way here 682 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:49,280 as the prosecution looks to get in a conviction. The 683 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000 next witness up on the stand is David Mulligan. He 684 00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,800 was Annie's boyfriend in high school. Prosecution starts by asking 685 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,320 him about Annie's trip to New York and what happened 686 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,360 while she was there, and David David says that Annie 687 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,679 told him about Epstein touching her leg in the theater 688 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,920 and that she was scared to say anything because Epstein 689 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:10,079 was helping her sister's art career out. When asked if 690 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,639 Annie ever told him about her breast being touched during 691 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,400 the massage, he responds that yes, she did tell him 692 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,840 about it as well. See again corroborating. What we have 693 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,599 here are witness statements that corroborate what the survivors themselves say, 694 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:30,199 and usually that goes a long way in court. After 695 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,800 this line of questioning the prosecution, they move on and 696 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,039 they're done, So it goes to the cross and Bobby Sterneim, 697 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,400 who is taking over from here. She asked mister Mulligan 698 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,599 if he has seen things in the media about the case, 699 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 and to that, David responds that he is not much 700 00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:49,320 of a newswatcher. I mean, not like it would matter 701 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,719 since the legacy media isn't bothering themselves to even really 702 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,239 cover the case. Oh now they'll say they are, Oh 703 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,239 we're here, there's dozens of journalists here. Where have you 704 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,760 been for all of these years? So he says he 705 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,559 doesn't really watch news. He's not a news guy, so 706 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,719 he doesn't really know much about it anyway, Sternheim then 707 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,199 asks for who the hell knows what reason if Davis 708 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,679 is a David is aware that Annie was paid out 709 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,360 one and a half million dollars by the fund, And 710 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,920 to this he mentions he has no idea. Why would 711 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,400 he know what Annie gets paid out? What do you 712 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,719 think Annie's calling all of her friends, Oh, I got 713 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,440 it paid out a few bucks. I'm pretty sure she'd 714 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,920 prefer innocence back her youth. Pretty sure she'd prefer all 715 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:38,480 of that to the one point five million dollars. Now 716 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,440 they move on to the redirect. When asked why he 717 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,159 remembered what Annie told him about in New Mexico, mister 718 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,840 Mulligan tells the prosecution that these were big moments that 719 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,800 they that they discussed while they were being physically affectionate 720 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,800 with each other. The prosecution is done after that quick redirect, 721 00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:58,920 and the next witness is ready to come out to 722 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,559 the box. And I'll think about that for a minute. 723 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,840 When you're in moments of intimacy with your significant other, 724 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,719 that's a time of vulnerability, right. We say things that 725 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,719 we would never say around anyone else or to anyone else. 726 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,559 And you know that when she was with him and 727 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,599 they were in you know, their intimate moments cuddled on 728 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,639 the bed or whatever it was, she would open up 729 00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,239 and tell him this stuff and him coming out and 730 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:30,199 corroborating it. It's damning in my opinion, folks. So the 731 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,440 next witness that we see take the stay the stand 732 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:39,639 is Annie's mom, Janice. Prosecution begins as usual, asking basic 733 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,079 questions such as Janis's age, which she responds that she 734 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,039 is seventy one years old. Asked by prosecution when she 735 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,719 first spoke to Epstein, she responds that she spoke with 736 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,039 him when he wanted to take Maria on a work 737 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,719 trip on his plane to Florida. Epstein then told Janis 738 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,280 about the conference at his ranch in New Mexico, and 739 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,239 by Janice who would be chaperoning the event, Epstein told 740 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,800 her that Maxwell would be again Maxwell being a pivotal 741 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,159 piece in all of this occurring right before our eyes. 742 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,559 Having Maxwell in a leadership role, and what it does 743 00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:20,920 is it accelerates it, right, It accelerates the narrative once 744 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,880 again that Glenn Maxwell played a significant role here. In fact, 745 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,559 I doubt that Annie would have even been able to 746 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:41,079 go if Maxwell wasn't the chaperone. When Annie returned from 747 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:42,920 the trip. Her mother goes on to tell the court 748 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,880 that she was really tired and that she had a 749 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,719 player a new pair of black boots. When her mother 750 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,199 pressed her on what happened to New Mexico, she said 751 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,360 she didn't want to talk about it. With that, the 752 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,360 prosecution finishes and Menager comes in for a very short cross. 753 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,760 Defense asked several questions in a short exchange about what 754 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,440 Janis knew about the trip and different locations including Thailand 755 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,599 and Panama, and then they wrap it up. So with 756 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:12,719 that final statement there and the final witness done, the 757 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,360 government has now arrested their case. Now, once the jury 758 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,480 leaves the courtroom, Christian Everdell, Glenn Maxwell's lawyer moves for 759 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,440 an acquittal on all charges and he has forcefully denied. 760 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,000 So now the defense will have to make their case 761 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,519 starting the sixteenth Court will now be what will be 762 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:40,599 in recess Friday, obviously Saturday, Sunday, then Monday, Tuesday, and 763 00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,519 then things will pick back up on Thursday with the 764 00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:48,400 defense making their case. So obviously we'll still be here 765 00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:53,039 dropping updates night and day. We'll do some context updates, 766 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,559 we'll do a you know where we're at kind of 767 00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,840 update that kind of thing and keep the conversation moving 768 00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:03,119 as we work towards next week and hopefully a conviction. 769 00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:07,400 So there's where we're at today, folks, as far as 770 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,519 testimony goes. And like I said earlier in the morning update, 771 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,559 I thought today would be a great day for the 772 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,119 for the prosecution, and it certainly turned out that way, 773 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,159 at least in my opinion. I thought that Annie being 774 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,519 up on the stand was a slam dunk for the prosecution, 775 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:29,000 and even through a very long cross and a long 776 00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:33,559 time on the stand in general, Annie withheld well and 777 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,639 really punched the story home. So we'll see what happens 778 00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:41,400 next week and we'll see what sort of witnesses the 779 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,159 defense going to bring. But it was definitely a very 780 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,719 high note, at least in my opinion, for the prosecution 781 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,960 to at least rest on the back of such strong testimony. 782 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,119 All Right, everybody, I hope you all enjoy your Friday night, 783 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,679 hope you all in joy your weekend as well as 784 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,400 for me, that's going to be a rap. 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