Speaker 1: Come back to the Epstein chronicles. Today mark day number
ten of the Glenn Maxwell trial, and we had what
was the best performance by the prosecution so far in
this trial, in my opinion, and that was anchored by
a pretty powerful testimony given by Annie Farmer. Now, they
weren't able to go after Annie the way they were
able to go after some of these other girls. And
you could see the defense struggling when they didn't have
a pathway to attack people's character or to frame them
as bad people for bad life choices that I remind
you mainly came after their experiences with Maxwell and Epstein.
So with Annie on the stand today, they weren't really
able to do that. And now, obviously I wasn't in
the courtroom. I didn't see, you know, facial expressions and
stuff like that. But from what I gathered and from
the information that is available to us about the exchanges
and what went on in that courtroom today, it certainly
seems like the prosecution had a much better day to day. Now.
Not only did Annie tell her story her ex boyfriend
from from that time, who was they were together in
high school, he corroborated her story as well and came
out and told the jury that she told him all
of this stuff back when it happened. Then, of course,
the final person to take the stand was her mom,
and her mom, you know, wasn't on the stand very long,
but kudos to her mom for getting up there on
the stand. And you know, you have to think as
a parent that that is a moment that you would
want to be able to experience if you can, right,
to get up there and look into the face of
the person who was accused of hurting your child. So
I thought that that was a pretty good way to
end this trial today, way to end this portion of it,
I should say, And as I stated earlier, I honestly
believe that the prosecution had a much better day to day. Now,
what will the defense bring next week, that's certainly a
question that has to be asked. But as of right
now and sitting here, after the ten days, I would
think that with this, with this piece of testimony, packed
with the other testimony we have heard from the other
survivors and the other corroboration, I would think that unless
Maxwell has something up or sleeve here, that the jury
is going to be leaning towards a conviction. That's just
my guess right. I'm not nostrodamis. I don't have any
kind of inside line to what the jury is thinking.
I'm just looking at it from all of the evidence
that has been presented thus far and where we're at now.
If we had a prosecution team that was go in
all the way type of prosecution team like we used
to see when they were going after the mafia in
you know, the seventies and the eighties, then this would
have been a huge slam dunk from day one. But
I you know, I'm not a huge fan of this
prosecution team, and I've said that since it was assembled
back you know, in the beginning, and I'm not impressed
by their performance. For the most part here, they were
given an essential mountain of evidence, so this shouldn't even
be something that's up for debate as far as if
they can get a conviction here. But today was a
better day, and when you look at just the testimony
from the survivors, I think that that's going to be
enough to send it home and get Maxwell sent to prison.
So we'll see what happens, right, We'll see what goes
down in the next week or so. But today's testimony
from Annie was pretty damning as far as the defense goes.
So with all of that said, we're going to dive
into some of that testimony and take a look at
what occurred in the courtroom today. So the proceedings get
underway with the first witness, who is an employee of
the New York State Motor Vehicles Department named William Brown.
He is brought up by the prosecution to confirm the
legitimacy of an ID card that was submitted into evidence.
So they ask him questions about his knowledge as far
as people receiving ID cards goes, and to this he
answers that he is familiar with the process. After referring
him to an evidence binder, they ask him how old
the person in question was in nineteen eighty five when
they were born, and in turn how old that would
make them in nineteen ninety six. So obviously the number
is eleven. And with the document verified by mister Brown,
the prosecution is finished with the witness and the defense
declines to even cross. So at this point they call
Annie Farmer to the stand. Judge Nathan then directs the
court that Annie's allegations in regards to the contact between
Epstein and Maxwell and her in New Mexico. It wasn't
illegal because she was sixteen. Again in a vacuum. It
could be passed off as a coincidence, right, or that
the incident occurred in New Mexico. But when you look
at the what Epstein and Maxwell were doing, it just
cements the fact home that Epstein chose New Mexico for
this very reason. Epstein was very much aware that he
could get away with a whole lot more in New
Mexico than he could in New York. Him and Maxwell,
they could have built that ranch anywhere they wanted, but
it just so happened to be in New Mexico. Huh,
with their lax age of consent law and him not
having to register there as a sex offender. That's just
all a coincidence, right, of course, it's not. Epstein knew
the deal. He knew the loss. How couldn't he. One
of his best buds was Bill Richardson, wasn't it. What
about all of the kings from New Mexico that he
was friends with. Didn't he buy his land from them?
So the rabbit hole is deep when it comes to
New Mexico. And I'll tell you what that's certainly something
that I am not going to forget about, that I'm
not going to just stop looking into. In fact, I
know another trip down there at some point is going
to be necessary. When Annie is asked if she recognizes
any of the people in the courtroom who has ever
given her a massage, she says yes, and she points
out Glenn Maxwell. She has then asked some basic questions
such as where she was born, to which he replies Missouri.
They asked about her family's finances, and Annie tells the
court that her parents were divorced and she was worried
about where she'd be getting money to go to college from.
You know, the typical worries that kids have at this age, right,
especially if you have your site set on going to school.
It's an expensive deal, and a lot of people who
come from broken homes or one parent homes, or especially
the working poor, the idea of being able to actually
pay to go to a good college is about as
far away as being able to walk to Mars. It
just doesn't really come up in the conversation as far
as paying for it, right, So you have to work
to get a scholarship, grants, loans and all of that stuff.
So Annie was dealing with the same kind of feelings
any of us would be dealing with, how are we
gonna go to school? How am I gonna further my education?
I don't want to be a burden on my parents.
And then someone like Jeffrey Epstein slides into the conversation
with Glenn Maxwell and you know, they promise you the world.
They asked about her siblings, and she responded, you know,
she had siblings, and she talked about her older sister, Maria,
who was nine years older than her and who was
living in New York at the time. Maria was employed
by Jeffrey Epstein at this time. She was working with him,
you know, in a art for different pieces of art,
to look at different art pieces figure if they were
good to buy, and that kind of thing, right, and
Maria had been hooked up with them via the art
school that she was going to. And that is a
tale for a whole for a different time. In fact,
I'll upload an article, i mean, an episode about all
of that to give some more context to how Maria
even ended up working for Jeffrey Epstein in the first place. Maria,
who was Annie's older sister, obviously she was in New
York pursuing her art career when she was hooked up
with a job at Epstein's by friends of the pedophile
who were big shots at the art school that she
was attending and in the art world. When asked who
paid for the ticket to New York, and he says
she was excited to see her family and that you know,
she wanted to go see her mom, and that the
ticket was paid for by Epstein. She recalls going to
Jeffrey Epstein's grand home, which was the Manhattan Townhouse, and
she also tells the court about her living arrangements while
she was in New York. She was staying with her sister.
She goes on to tell the court how Epstein Pepperter
with questions such as what her future plans were, and
he of course had to tell her about all of
his connections, with UCLA being mentioned as one of the
schools he had the hookup at. Now we know Epstein
had his paws into all kinds of schools, universities, high schools,
you name it. And he certainly had his meat hooks
into a bunch of different scientists and academics. And what
Epstein would do is he would dangle this in front
of these girls. Him and Maxwell, they'd bring these girls
into the atmosphere and then oh, I know this guy.
I can get you into this school. Oh you don't
have to worry about it. Do this for me, and
then I'll make sure that you're taken care of. But
Epstein wasn't following through on a lot of that stuff,
was he. He also gave her advice on what she
should do to make sure she got the proper nudge
in the right direction on her application by taking an
international learning trip, and this was obviously foreshadowing for the
trip that she ended up going on to Thailand and
Vietnam later on to further her goals of trying to
get into a better school. Annie goes onto her account
their time together, telling the court about how he took
her to see Phantom of the Opera and then to
see a movie. It was at this movie where Epstein
first made his move. Epstein was sitting between Annie and
was sitting Uh was sitting between Annie and Uh. Maria
and Jeffrey began to fondle her leg. She said it
made her confused and sick to her stomach. Whenever Maria
would look over Epstein would stop his behavior. When asked
if she told Maria what Epstein did to her, she
says that she was scared that if she told Maria,
who was protective of her, that what Epstein was doing,
that she would be upset and she would say something
that would end up making her lose her job. So
instead of telling Maria what happened, Annie was just quiet.
Prosecution then moves on to Annie's journal and they asked
her if she wrote in it often. To this, Annie
responds that while she sometimes used the journal to mark
certain events in her life, she wasn't consistent in updating it.
So it wasn't like she was updating her journal journal
every single day in a militant fashion. It was when
she had, you know, big life events, or she had
the time to get to it, she would update it.
The journal is then displayed on screen in the court
and and he goes on to recount certain entries to
the court about the trip to see Phantom of the
Opera and how she drank champagne with Epstein. Grown ass man.
Shouldn't be drinking with this little girl anyway. Again, just
you know another thing we should overlook, right, but me
or you we do something like that, forget it getting
put under the prison. She also accounts how she was
weirded out by Epstein at the movie They went to.
Prosecution then asks her what her feelings were when she
was writing this entry, and she said that she had
had feelings that conflicted with each other, but she was
trying to rationalize and normalize what was occurring with Epstein.
Her journal continued on about how she was thinking of
doing something in Africa as far as her international trip went.
The you know how Epstein was telling her that she
should think of about going on one of these trips
to bolster her resume so that she would have a
better chance to getting into one of these bigger schools.
So the questioning then turns to the trip to New Mexico.
When asked when she went to New Mexico, she told
the court that it was the spring of nineteen ninety six, April,
she believes, And he goes on to tell the court
that she landed in Santa Fe and that there was
a car service that was waiting for her when she arrived,
and this car service took her to Stanley to Jeffrey
Epstein's Zoro ranch. It was here where she met Maxwell
for the first time. And remember Maxwell, you know, is
supposed to be this upstanding lady from Hya culta, who
is somebody you don't worry about being a predator, right
That's not the last thing you're thinking about is you're
going to be preyed upon by these high class upper
you know, upper level so called elites. But unfortunately, the
more you look into these people, the more you find
out that they're all wired screwed up. It's like once
you start making you know, a billion dollars, five hundred
million dollars, your whole entire brain has scrambled and you
become some kind of weirdo right away. It was here
where she met Maxwell for the first time. She described
Maxwell as slim and attractive who was in her thirties.
She also described Maxwell as well spoken and articulate, and
having a British accent. She told the court that knowing
Maxwell was there made her feel more comfortable with the
incident in New York that happened with Epstein previously still
fresh in her mind. So again Annie is going here,
according to her testimony, with the thinking that because Maxwell's there,
that this is going to be okay. She's not going
to have to worry about being abused or Jeffrey Epstein
touching her in unwonted ways. But what occurred was something
completely different, wasn't it. What occurred was not only did
Maxwell break that covenant, but Maxwell, according to Annie's testimony,
abused her herself. She told the Cord that knowing Maxwell
was there made her more comfortable, and with the incident
in New York that happened with Epstein previously still fresh
in her mind, especially considering when Annie witnessed them together
acting intimate, she thought that they were a couple. That
was the biggest pump fake Maxwell and Epstein had in
their arsenal. Though, folks, though we are the couple card,
it was bs from the jump. They were never a couple.
They were working together in tandem a lot earlier than
the official narrative had it in the first place. We
were telling you four years that that was the case,
by the way, but it's the whole entire setup of
them being a couple is just looney tune, fakeland. It
might as well have come out of the onion. Now.
She might have had the hots for Epstein for a
little while or whatever, but not the same way we do.
Not that I'll jump in front of a train for
my loved one. I'll take a bullet for the girl
I love or the man I love. It's not the
same kind of love. They were working as partners, both
looking to increase their profile, increase their wealth, and increase
their place in so called elite society. They were never
a couple in a true sense. They were business partners,
and when asked who told her that Maxwell would be there,
she said that her mother did. And when you hear
from her mom later on, her mom asked Epstein, who
was gonna be chaperoning this whole thing? Like, I'm gonna
send my daughter with some man, there's no chaperone, and Maxwell, well,
she talks to her mom and says, Oh, I'm gonna
be the chaperone, and then this kind of shit occurs.
Can you imagine. I can't even begin to tell you.
I'm not even a party to this, right, I'm not
somebody who has been abused by them or anything. And
I hate Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein with the heat of
a thousand burning suns. And I don't hate very many people, folks.
It's really not in my DNA to run around hating people.
But what these people did for as long as they
did it is just so disgusting to me that I
really don't have words, honestly to describe how much I
detest these people. Prosecution then goes on to ask about
the conversations had with Maxwell and Annie, and Annie tells
them they talked about things such as her favorite British authors, school,
and just life in general. Now, imagine being such a
smarmy ass scumball that you're sitting here gaining this young
girl's confidence, asking her about things like who her favorite
authors are, life in general, school, all of the things
that you would be asking to build trust, right, to
try and get into the inner circle, to show her,
Oh I'm interested in you, Oh I care about what
your life is, what's going on in your life. And now,
mind you, this is a young sixteen year old girl
and some pashaz British socialite, so of course she's going
to be a bit enamored with Glen Maxwell. Right, Maxwell
had the kind of life, at least on the outside,
the way they lived, a jet setting, you know, a
bunch of money, the kind of life people aspire to.
Prosecution then asks about leaving the ranch at all while
she was there, and she says that they left the
ranch to go to a natural food store where they
where she was bought Hannah by Maxwell, and then they
also visited a western wear store where she bought a
pair of cowboy boots. Now, this is the pair of
cowboy boots that have been in question all day. This
is the cowboy the pair of cowboy boots that have
been talked about for a few months now. Now, remember
we did an episode I don't even remember when at
this point a few months back about the cowboy boots
and how the defense was looking to get them brought
up and put in as evidence. And they got their
way here, right, the boots were brought in and put
into evidence, and this is the questioning that came with it.
She says, Epstein paid, but Maxwell was there. Annie tells
the court that the boots cost over one hundred dollars
and that she was very thankful and very gracious for
the gift. While she might have been grateful for the gift,
she didn't want to go to the movies again due
to the first time in New York, but she thought
that things might be a little different considering that Maxwell
was with them. So after buying the boots, you know,
the time for the movie. So they go see the
movie Primal Fear, and unfortunately, having Maxwell there wasn't any
help at all. This again shows Maxwell's role as a groomer,
as a normal eye of this sort of behavior. In
my opinion, to get here, get her this comfortable, and
then bring her into the viper's nest is just beyond
the pale folks. And I just don't have any sympathy
or empathy for it. And I don't see how there's
anyone who could believe, when you know all of the
stuff that we have talked about, that we have seen,
that she wasn't grooming these girls. It is absurd. If
Epstein is doing it while his intimate partner, another adult
is here, it has to be okay, right, Remember, we
are talking about a sixteen year old girl here. This
is not some gray area, not a nineteen year old
stupid boy who has a sixteen year old girlfriend. We're
talking about a powerful pair of well connected people who
understand what they're doing. They understand that they're manipulating the situation.
Why don't they have girls there that of their age?
Why don't they go to one of their ohs foot
haunts and go get you some girls that are you know,
other elites. Yeah, you know why right, because they never
ever prey on themselves. It's always the most vulnerable amongst us.
It's always the poor. And frankly, I'm tired of bullies
in general, and I'm certainly tired of bullies like these
bitch ass scoundrels. When pressed by the prosecutor about the
length of the unwonted groping in the movie Theater, Annie
responded that it took place for most of the movie
they were seeing, the movie Primal Fear. She says he
was brazen about what he was doing and not trying
to hide it. So obviously Maxwell was aware of Epstein
touching Annie in the movie Theater, and she didn't step
up to the plate either because you know why, and
obviously just my opinion, but in my opinion, she didn't
try and help Annie, because that was the whole reason
Annie was there to try and groom her and get
Jeffrey Epstein a new person in his little crew that
Max Well was providing for him. And it was just
just a gross process. When you watch it unfold, when
you watch the role Maxwell played time and time again
here to groom these girls, to normalize the procedure and
to give them comfort. It is just beyond the pal
She says, she was excuse me, so after the movie,
when they got back to the ranch, Glenn Maxwell instructed
her how to rub Jeffrey Epstein's feet, and she'd even
given her a crash course on how to do it.
And he says that they just did that. She just
did what Maxwell told her to do. She watched and
did as she was instructed. And he goes on to
explain how Maxwell sat and held one of Epstein's feet
and instructed her to massage the other. Now, a little
bit of a divergent course here, but we know that
Virginia also was talking about the feet massaging and how
she had to massage Matt Groening, the creator of the Simpsons,
feet on that plane, and she said that his feet
were gross. So you see a pattern here with feet, right.
It's certainly something that is one of their fetishes, obviously,
and I think that the government hit paid dirt here.
In my opinion, this once again strengthens the case of
Maxwell that she wasn't only along for the ride, but
she was also engaging in the abuse herself, and when
asked about the massage, Annie told the court that she
was very uncomfortable and she wanted it to be over quickly.
She also details how there was a massage table set
up in the room where she was staying and explains
how when she was explains how she was told to
get undressed by Maxwell and then asked what she was
wearing during that act, She says she wasn't wearing anything.
Annie continues telling the court that Maxwell pulled the sheet down,
exposed her, and then touched her breast. Annie also says
that she could feel that Epstein was watching Maxwell touch
her breasts. She was sixteen, remember. Then Annie goes on
to tell the court about Epstein creeping into bed with
her and saying he just wanted to cuddle. So as
Maxwell is sexually abusing her, but it's okay because it's
in New Mexico, right, Because as Maxwell's sexually abusing her,
this nasty ass, gross son of a bitch Epstein standing
out in the hallway watching. But no, Maxwell had nothing
to do with this, folks, She was just She's a
victim herself. Lock her up, throw away the key, I
mean a grown ass man talking about cuddling with this
little girl. Once again, Epstein chose New Mexico for a reason.
She goes on to tell the court about a trip
to Thailand and Vietnam, how it was a cultural immersion trip,
and when asked who paid for it, she responded that
Epstein did. When asked if she had any other contact
with Epstein and Maxwell after the she says no, So
again Epstein was talking about that cultural trip, right, and
that was again part of the grooming process. You send
these girls on enough trips, you give them enough things,
then their behavior they feel in their mind because everybody
else around them is doing it, remember, is normalized. So
that's why they shower them with gifts. That's why they
continue to give them things, she tells the court. When
asked about who she told, she says that she told
her mother first. When asked if she told anyone else,
she says that she had a boyfriend at the time
and that she had told him as well. Now we'll
hear from him at the end here. He gives testimony
today to corroborate what Annie had to say. When asked
if she ever spoke with the media, Annie says that
she has many times. She brings up the first time
in two thousand and two when Vicky Warden Vanity Fair
burned her in Maria and decided to quash the part
about the Epstein's abuse, and then asked if she went
to law enforcement, she responds that yes, she had in
two thousand and six and two thousand and seven to
the do Nothing ask FBI. She didn't say that. I
just added that, because you know, the FBI is only
interested if you know you're poor or somebody that they
can move the needle on. Certainly not Jeffrey Epstein. God
forbid they rock the boat. The prosecution then asks Annie
if she had ever been paid for any of the interviews,
and she responds that she had not ever been She's
never been paid for any of them. She says that
she spoke off the record to the media in twenty
and sixteen and on the record in twenty nineteen. When
asked about interviews with law enforcement in New York, she
says she was interviewed in twenty nineteen by the NYPD
and then she sued Epstein and Maxwell that fall. When
asked if she participated in the victims Compensation Fund, she responded,
she did. She received one point five million dollars from it. Now,
first of all, that's not enough my opinion. Second of all,
this is a big problem for the defense with that
money being paid out. It is the estate admitting fault
and admitting culpability and liability and saying that Epstein is
guilty of the child of the crimes charged. Why else
would they be paying this money out. It would be
insane for them to pay this money out if they
didn't think that this was happening, right, if they didn't
think any of this was true. So you mean to
tell me Maxwell was hanging out with Epstein this whole
entire time and she knew nothing about it. Huh. They
were sleeping in the same room. She knew nothing about it. Huh.
They were paling around closer than you know, Abbott and Costello, buth.
So this is a big problem for the defense in
my opinion. It really again, you know, we talked about
those foundational blocks that were being lent. Now we're getting
some you know, siding and some roofing going on here.
Folks also states that her lawyers worked pro bono asked
if she had a financial stake in this case, Annie
responds that she does not have a financial stake. Now,
with that the prosecution is done and they turn Annie
over as a witness to the defense. Handling this portion
for the defense is Laura Meninger. Menager starts in right away,
asking questions about Annie's travel arrangements to New York and
who set it up. She states that it was her
sister Maria who set up her flight. Meninger also states
that Annie also went to flea markets and saw the
Blue Man Group while she was in New York, and
to this Annie agrees. When asked if Maxwell took her
to the Lion King, Annie responds no. When asked about
vibrators and massagers or other sex toys being shown anything
like that while she was in New York, she says
she didn't see any of that. Now, they wouldn't just
bring that out right away, right They have to establish
that this is somebody who is going to be able
to be groomed, be brought into the process to make
it normalized. She was also asked if Maxwell was present
at this time, to which she responded that she was not.
Mettinger then moves to the journal entries, pointing out where
Annie stated that her trip to the Phantom of the
Opera was the best night of her trip, trying to
insinuate it would seem that she enjoyed herself when creepy
ass Epstein was rubbing on her leg. That's certainly what
it seems like. I mean, why it's I mean, I
get it right. She's a defense attorney. This is her job.
She has to explore every avenue to try and get
her client off. But a lot of this questioning is
kind of ridiculous in my opinion, and I think it
does more harm than it does good. Now, again, I'm
certainly not a lawyer, and I'm not somebody who is
locked into trials on a daily basis, But just from
the peanut gallery over here, it certainly looks like this
is a losing strategy for the defense. She then goes
on to question how anyone can confirm who invited her
to New Mexico without any evidence. Again, not a good
look here from Menager, in my opinion, and I would
think that the Jerry might not be fans of it either.
Meninger then tries to say that Annie used the release
date of the movie they went to see Primal Fear
as a Marker working backwards to put her story together,
acting like Annie needed this movie to, you know, shock
her into her memory. It's kind of like for me
when I look at it, you know, like if you're
out on a hike or whatever, or you're out somewhere
and you might not have an idea of where you are, well,
you look at Markers right to try and establish where
you're at, what your location is. And it's the same
thing here. When you have an event to her and
there was a serious traumatic event, you're going to remember
the movie you were at, right, You're going to remember
where you were. You might not remember all of the
little details, but you're gonna remember this sort of thing.
Annie responds that she wouldn't say it that way, and
Manager continues on her narrative, asking about the journal and
what she didn't write in it, and asking about if
she communicated with a journalist and told him that she'd
research the release date of Primal Fear. Annie responds with
yes to this question. Again, looks to me like it's
a pointless line for the defense, but they obviously have
a game plan. Meninger then says Annie didn't state the
contact with Epstein Weird in her journal, and Annie tells
the court that she was struggling with processing what had
occurred at the time. So just because you don't talk
about it right away doesn't mean it never happened. And
a lot of times, especially when you're talking about young
girls like this or young boys, they're trying to process
what happened, trying to go through their feelings and unpack things.
So if you're going to look at a journal entry
and say, oh, well, it wasn't in the journal, so
it didn't happen, it's absolutely ridiculous. And I don't see
how anyone on a jury could sit there and say, oh, yeah,
that's a you know, that's a really really convincing line
of defense. The defense continues their typical scum baggery, stating
that Anley Annie only thought that what happened to her
was weird in hindsight. What so crazy? Right, So, oh,
it was only weird in hindsight, as if you're supposed
to unpack and process it as it's happening. Seems to
me that Meninger has no idea about trauma, And frankly,
I'm not some kind of expert either, but I've at least,
you know, read a few books. I mean, come on,
everybody knows that when there's a traumatic incident, when somebody's
sexually assaulted or something like that, that a lot of
times people might even compartments, that people might even try
and have that as a repressed memory, and it takes
something that triggers them for it to come out. When
asked if the journal helped her remember details of different
life events, Annie somewhat agreed with that statement. After the
cross continued for a little bit, Judge Nathan Well, she
declared lunch. Now coming back from lunch, Menainger continues on
with her questions. She asks Annie about a cook who
was on the ranch that she didn't mention while on
direct and Annie responds that she has no recollection of that. Menager,
with her typical snark, asks about the big, glorious Zoro
Ranch and if she had seen it at the time,
and Annie again responds with no. First of all, she
called Epstein's place in New York big and glorious. But
Meninger has to be snarky. She has to try and
be cute here and use those very words when explaining
Epstein's Zoro Ranch ridiculous. Now they're circling back to the
boots that were purchased by Epstein with Maxwell for Annie
and Menager boy. She loves framing questions as statements good
old lawyer speak. Menager states that Annie mentioned the cowboy
boots and that on the trip she spent a good
amount of time horseback riding. Annie asked a menager if
that is a question, and Menager replies by asking if
she told the FBI that in two thousand and six,
If she told the FBI that in two thousand and six,
and Annie replies yes, So you see what manager does here?
Menainger makes statements and says, you know, isn't it so
didn't this happen? Isn't it truthful that instead of asking questions,
right to try and make it seem that this is
a fact right off of the jump for the jury anyway,
that it's a fact that this happened, and it is
typical lawyer speak and definitely something that is employed by
a high profile lawyer such as this. She continues with
her statements framed as questions by asking her if she
wore the boots even though they were evidence, and Annie
responds that she wore them to go line dancing in
I mean, what the fuck else is she's supposed to
do with the boots put them on her hands and
clap like a seal. I'm ridiculous. The whole thing is absurd,
The whole line of questioning is absurd, and I really
don't think that Maxwell's legal team has done enough here
as far as the witness testimony has gone. Now, the
other parts of the case, they've definitely done a better job,
but when it comes to the witness testimony, Look, you
can only go so far in assalling the truth. Manager
again with the question rapped as a statement, so you
wore the boots that Jeffrey Epstein gave you when you danced,
trying to insinuate that whatever happened to Annie while with
Epstein and Maxwell wasn't that big of a deal, since
you know, she kept the boots. Maybe she was dancing
in those boots. Imagine that Maxwell and Epstein were beneath her,
who knows what was going on, But again, with the
boots and her keeping the boots as some kind of
defense strategy, pretty absurd to me. Mettinger then asks about
the massage and how Annie stated that she was naked
for the massage, but she told the journalists that she
had no bra on to this. The prosecution objects, but
they're overruled by Judge Nathan. The defense goes on to
ask if Annie remembers Epstein pushing an erect penis into
her back, and she responds that she did not recall
that occurring. Asking if she told her mother she was
raped or sexually abused, Annie replies, she said she was
not raped, but she didn't say she wasn't sexually abused.
Two very different things, right, both heinous, no doubt about it.
But they're trying to insinuate because she didn't tell her
mother that she wasn't raped, that nothing happened, as if
having gross ass gusting Epstein putting his hands on you
and Maxwell fondling you in an unwonted manner isn't bad enough.
Asking about the compensation fund now, Menager asks if she
will if she she told the fund that handholding was abuse.
Again ridiculous, Again trying to minimalize what Annie went through
and what Epstein and Maxwell did to her. Annie replies
that she told them in detail what happened, and they
obviously believed it, considering they paid her a one point
five million dollars. People like Epstein's estate managers are pinching
every penny. They hated that fund. They didn't want to
pay any of that money out. Not only did they
pay that money out. Once they paid it out, they
accepted culpability, and they accepted blame for what happened or else,
why are you paying restitution? So Maxwell's team here trying
to bring up the fund blows up in their face
in mind opinion, considering that her ace in the hole,
her pal, Jeffrey Epstein, basically just admitted that he did
all of this. Now, not him himself, but his estate.
The questioning now moves to Annie's legal representation, and Menager,
in one of the more ironic moments thus far, considering
her fat legal fees, asked if Annie knows how much
Boys and Schiller have made off of the Epstein case.
To this, judge Nathan finally decides to do something worthwhile.
She objects, yet Menager continues to press the point home.
Now Nathan emphetically emphatically demands that the lawyer stops. So look,
Maxwell's team has been pushing the envelope the whole entire trial.
They've borderline doxed some of the survivors. They have pushed
the envelope with Judge Nathan and they haven't been sanctioned,
they haven't been slapped down, none of it. Again, Manager
spins the conversation, this time landing on a what's that
group of Epstein's survivors and says that Annie was part
of that group. She then says that Annie and Virginia
have emailed each other. Seems like the defense is trying
to set this up as like some kind of huge
plot to extort money from Epstein and Maxwell. You would
have to be Helen Keller blind to see it that way.
The survivors became close because they understood what the others
had went through, and because, if you want the truth,
nobody else really cared. After a few more minutes, Menager
is done and then Prosecutor Pomerantce moves in for the redirect.
Prosecution asks Annie if she recalls talking to the FBI
and giving statements in two thousand and six, and Annie
responds that she did. Remember. Again, the movie Primal Fear
is brought up, and Annie explains the movie and its plot.
The prosecution then asks if Annie needed a piece of
paper to remember that she was groped and fondled on
her breast by Maxwell, to which Maxwell's team objects. Annie
responds that she didn't need a journal entry to remember that,
and that the incident was so distressing that those are
the things that we remember. Annie goes on to say
that she believes that Maxwell and Epstein were attempting to
blur the lines and normalize behavior that wasn't normal in
order to sexually abuse her. Of course, to this there
is an objection, but it's overruled by Judge Nathan. At
that point, however, they're done as far as the cross,
I mean the redirect. So Annie has done for the
day and she leaves on that note. And like I said,
I found Annie's testimony today to be very damning for
the defense. She was very solid giving her testimony, and
I think it's going to go a long way here
as the prosecution looks to get in a conviction. The
next witness up on the stand is David Mulligan. He
was Annie's boyfriend in high school. Prosecution starts by asking
him about Annie's trip to New York and what happened
while she was there, and David David says that Annie
told him about Epstein touching her leg in the theater
and that she was scared to say anything because Epstein
was helping her sister's art career out. When asked if
Annie ever told him about her breast being touched during
the massage, he responds that yes, she did tell him
about it as well. See again corroborating. What we have
here are witness statements that corroborate what the survivors themselves say,
and usually that goes a long way in court. After
this line of questioning the prosecution, they move on and
they're done, So it goes to the cross and Bobby Sterneim,
who is taking over from here. She asked mister Mulligan
if he has seen things in the media about the case,
and to that, David responds that he is not much
of a newswatcher. I mean, not like it would matter
since the legacy media isn't bothering themselves to even really
cover the case. Oh now they'll say they are, Oh
we're here, there's dozens of journalists here. Where have you
been for all of these years? So he says he
doesn't really watch news. He's not a news guy, so
he doesn't really know much about it anyway, Sternheim then
asks for who the hell knows what reason if Davis
is a David is aware that Annie was paid out
one and a half million dollars by the fund, And
to this he mentions he has no idea. Why would
he know what Annie gets paid out? What do you
think Annie's calling all of her friends, Oh, I got
it paid out a few bucks. I'm pretty sure she'd
prefer innocence back her youth. Pretty sure she'd prefer all
of that to the one point five million dollars. Now
they move on to the redirect. When asked why he
remembered what Annie told him about in New Mexico, mister
Mulligan tells the prosecution that these were big moments that
they that they discussed while they were being physically affectionate
with each other. The prosecution is done after that quick redirect,
and the next witness is ready to come out to
the box. And I'll think about that for a minute.
When you're in moments of intimacy with your significant other,
that's a time of vulnerability, right. We say things that
we would never say around anyone else or to anyone else.
And you know that when she was with him and
they were in you know, their intimate moments cuddled on
the bed or whatever it was, she would open up
and tell him this stuff and him coming out and
corroborating it. It's damning in my opinion, folks. So the
next witness that we see take the stay the stand
is Annie's mom, Janice. Prosecution begins as usual, asking basic
questions such as Janis's age, which she responds that she
is seventy one years old. Asked by prosecution when she
first spoke to Epstein, she responds that she spoke with
him when he wanted to take Maria on a work
trip on his plane to Florida. Epstein then told Janis
about the conference at his ranch in New Mexico, and
by Janice who would be chaperoning the event, Epstein told
her that Maxwell would be again Maxwell being a pivotal
piece in all of this occurring right before our eyes.
Having Maxwell in a leadership role, and what it does
is it accelerates it, right, It accelerates the narrative once
again that Glenn Maxwell played a significant role here. In fact,
I doubt that Annie would have even been able to
go if Maxwell wasn't the chaperone. When Annie returned from
the trip. Her mother goes on to tell the court
that she was really tired and that she had a
player a new pair of black boots. When her mother
pressed her on what happened to New Mexico, she said
she didn't want to talk about it. With that, the
prosecution finishes and Menager comes in for a very short cross.
Defense asked several questions in a short exchange about what
Janis knew about the trip and different locations including Thailand
and Panama, and then they wrap it up. So with
that final statement there and the final witness done, the
government has now arrested their case. Now, once the jury
leaves the courtroom, Christian Everdell, Glenn Maxwell's lawyer moves for
an acquittal on all charges and he has forcefully denied.
So now the defense will have to make their case
starting the sixteenth Court will now be what will be
in recess Friday, obviously Saturday, Sunday, then Monday, Tuesday, and
then things will pick back up on Thursday with the
defense making their case. So obviously we'll still be here
dropping updates night and day. We'll do some context updates,
we'll do a you know where we're at kind of
update that kind of thing and keep the conversation moving
as we work towards next week and hopefully a conviction.
So there's where we're at today, folks, as far as
testimony goes. And like I said earlier in the morning update,
I thought today would be a great day for the
for the prosecution, and it certainly turned out that way,
at least in my opinion. I thought that Annie being
up on the stand was a slam dunk for the prosecution,
and even through a very long cross and a long
time on the stand in general, Annie withheld well and
really punched the story home. So we'll see what happens
next week and we'll see what sort of witnesses the
defense going to bring. But it was definitely a very
high note, at least in my opinion, for the prosecution
to at least rest on the back of such strong testimony.
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