Speaker 1: Oh red Tzar, Hello, and welcome to the show. This
Speaker 1: is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the Cage
Speaker 1: to Night and Raven and you know, before we get
Speaker 1: into the seasonal episodes, and we'll be dropping here next week.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking a lot about so many
Speaker 1: different conspiracies. We have been doing a lot of deep dives.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of great guests on here recently,
Speaker 1: and it's always good to go back to the roots,
Speaker 1: you know. And what's more conspiratorial than UAP's UFOs, flying saucers,
Speaker 1: the Green Men, the Great Men, the reptilian it's all
Speaker 1: the things, you know. So that's what we're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing today, good cult members, Because once upon a time,
Speaker 1: Jonathan and I were doing some deep diving into a
Speaker 1: whole list of UFOs and sightings and things of this nature,
Speaker 1: and one that came up was Vanderberg Air Force Base,
Speaker 1: which currently is Vanderberg Space Force Base. Now, going to
Speaker 1: be completely honest with you, I am a marine. I
Speaker 1: did not know that this Air Force base existed. But
Speaker 1: you know there's tons of Air Force bases in bomb
Speaker 1: fuck Nowheresville, Kansas that we've never heard of before. And okay, fine, there's.
Speaker 2: Tons of bases all over there that I didn't even
Speaker 2: know existed. Like everybody that I got stationed in Georgia,
Speaker 2: I was like Georgia a marine. Yeah no, yeah, where
Speaker 2: in this little podunk base. He was a data marine
Speaker 2: and he got sent there for like the last I
Speaker 2: think a year and a half of his enlistment.
Speaker 1: Okay, that checks, good old Chad. So but that's the
Speaker 1: thing for Marines. There's only so many bases that we
Speaker 1: could even get stationed at anime. It depends on your mos,
Speaker 1: depends on your job and things like that. If you're
Speaker 1: somebody associated with the Air Wing, there's a few big
Speaker 1: bases that you'll probably end up right me or mar
Speaker 1: Cherry Point. Yeh, fine, fair enough. But especially if you're
Speaker 1: trying to get some training in some specialized craft, you
Speaker 1: might find yourself at Air Force base or at some
Speaker 1: other type of base. And then we have a few,
Speaker 1: a very select few bases that are just off the
Speaker 1: beaten path that are Marine Corps bases that no one's
Speaker 1: ever heard of. But they're like a random logistics base
Speaker 1: like bar Stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have like a small little unit that's stationed there.
Speaker 2: That's like how he ended up there and I still
Speaker 2: was like you, Georgia. He loved it. It was really chill.
Speaker 2: It was like there was hardly I think there was
Speaker 2: like maybe twenty five of them. There was not hardly any.
Speaker 1: That it was chill. You're a marine stationed at some
Speaker 1: army base, like man have some little podunk base. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I know, sounds great. I'm already ready for the festivities.
Speaker 2: If you can't tell by my appearance, Yeah, I'm ready
Speaker 2: for our Christmas episodes.
Speaker 1: Oh, we have a whole list that we're going to
Speaker 1: be going down. We're starting off with Hanukah. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about Kwanza. We're going to talk about some
Speaker 1: of the more obscure practices from around the world. We're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about how a lot of the
Speaker 1: Christmas traditions that people go on and on about are
Speaker 1: super pagan are actually super Christian that the Pagan's adopted.
Speaker 1: We're going to go into a wide variety of things.
Speaker 2: It's going to be real that episode. We're just going
Speaker 2: to argue back and forth about a little bit. But
Speaker 2: it's it's fine.
Speaker 1: I am not giving opinions. I am only going to
Speaker 1: be bringing historical documentation.
Speaker 2: The argument is is there's two sides of that, so
Speaker 2: we shall see that. I am wearing my very festive
Speaker 2: ye motherfucker shirt with my little horrible little gingerbreads.
Speaker 1: I just watch Diehard. Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's not
Speaker 1: Christmas until I see Hans Grouper fall to his death.
Speaker 2: That's just saying. I mean, it is a traditional Christmas movie.
Speaker 2: I don't care what anyone says it is.
Speaker 1: I just had this debate with my twelve year old, who,
Speaker 1: for the record, has never seen the movie, and he's like,
Speaker 1: why are you saying this is a Christmas movie, Chris A,
Speaker 1: it happens during Christmas. He's like, there's no Christmas music,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's the only music that's playing during
Speaker 1: the entire movie is Christmas music? As a matter of.
Speaker 2: Fact, given it in the elevator, it's like the EPDPP,
Speaker 2: like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: The driver he's listened. Yes, it's like rap Christmas music,
Speaker 1: but still Christmas. Nonetheless, the whole thing is a Christmas
Speaker 1: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I think they actually nominated it and it like it
Speaker 2: actually became a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. For certain, but I know that National
Speaker 2: Lampoon Chevy Chase's movie is the number one movie right
Speaker 2: now in the country. Yes it is. I heard it
Speaker 2: on the radio and I was like, yes, for those
Speaker 2: that don't know, that is one of my top three,
Speaker 2: actually four favorite Christmas movies. All the Christmas is a
Speaker 2: fantastic Christmas movie. You are just only like one of
Speaker 2: the few people that don't like it. I don't like
Speaker 2: you don't like him, but the movie itself is fantastic.
Speaker 1: And the brother in law who always plays the retard
Speaker 1: like he was in an Independence Day as the retard,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Uncle Eddie's awesome shitter's fault like. Look for our Christmas episode,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be using my little Moose mugs, my
Speaker 2: little Moose cups throughout the whole thing, like it's it's
Speaker 2: a vibe. It is my whole vibe. I also love
Speaker 2: White Christmas, traditional Grinch movie Diehard. Those are probably my
Speaker 2: top four favorites.
Speaker 1: Ooh, my top four would be a Christmas Carol varying
Speaker 1: varieties for the record, not just the Jim Carrey version
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I do love the storyline of Charles
Speaker 1: Dickens and Christmas Carol. It is elf, and I understand
Speaker 1: if people hate Will Ferrell, then it's not your jam.
Speaker 1: I get it. I personally love it. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: rope in all of the claymation Christmas movies.
Speaker 2: Got about the clamations, Yeah, no, I love the clamations,
Speaker 2: clay Mations.
Speaker 1: Wow, the Grinch, all versions, even the one with ben
Speaker 1: Atic cumber Patch. It wasn't my favorite, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: mad at it either. It was Okay, the original is
Speaker 1: the best, but the original is the best.
Speaker 2: It's just my opinion though, because I love worskarl Off.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Original Mummy for those of who that don't know, for
Speaker 2: those for those of you, those of for those of
Speaker 2: who obviously guess I was in Whoville.
Speaker 1: IM about to say you being a little Grincher.
Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, I have a Grinch doing
Speaker 2: a yoga pose behind.
Speaker 1: Us, next to a Laboo boo dressed like a who.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have Santa Claus. Like, there's Santa Claus and
Speaker 2: there's a little mini crumpasses. Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 1: I'm fest fuck best of as the fuck.
Speaker 2: I'm also, like you know, representing the gingerbread, not the
Speaker 2: gum drops.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm surprised they don't have their
Speaker 1: legs broken off or something. They have bite stick bite.
Speaker 2: Stick another, they have bites sticking another their heads. All right,
Speaker 2: it's all about the details everyone.
Speaker 1: So, like I said, we are going to be getting
Speaker 1: into the holiday season next week, the entire week of Christmas.
Speaker 1: We're starting off with the Hanukah, and we're gonna work
Speaker 1: our way through all the good and the fun and
Speaker 1: the ugly and the crazy. So stay tuned for that. However,
Speaker 1: before we get into the face.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know anything about VanderBurg.
Speaker 1: I didn't either nothing. I had heard of the thing, right,
Speaker 1: and as you look up a list of some of
Speaker 1: the more prominent and documented UFO sightings and things, Vanderberg
Speaker 1: comes up. I didn't realize there was two reasons as.
Speaker 2: To why why is that?
Speaker 1: One involves a nuclear test that was done in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty four that was ruined by a flying saucer that
Speaker 1: what that apparently went on record, and then the dude
Speaker 1: who tried to bring it to the public eye was
Speaker 1: shut down. They erased his military service record. He couldn't
Speaker 1: get seen by the vay.
Speaker 2: They just were like, he never existed.
Speaker 1: Basically, and then later he essentially got told you weren't here.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: you're in the Air Force. I think you need to
Speaker 1: be scored off the base right now. How crazy is that?
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out? They erased his name, said he
Speaker 1: had never served in the Air Force. He had to
Speaker 1: go and find his own documentation and video evidence of
Speaker 1: him on the site on the day wearing his rank
Speaker 1: to finally get acknowledged as a veteran of the United
Speaker 1: States Air Force.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 1: But then cut to two thousand and three and we
Speaker 1: have another u sing at Vanderberg Air Force Base, which
Speaker 1: is now a Space Force pace. So good colt members.
Speaker 2: Space Force base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, when the Air Force split off
Speaker 1: and they made their yeah, space Force and Air Force
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 2: So I find it interesting that they've had UFO sidings
Speaker 2: there and then they chose that to be the Space Force.
Speaker 2: What's underneath the ground like cles, sure, yep, which we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about good cult members, So buckle in, strap in,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 1: We are going to talk about some of the more
Speaker 1: wild UFO and UAP conversations surrounding Vanderberg Space Force slash
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Speaker 1: So indeed, indeed, all right, so now let's start off
Speaker 1: this conversation with because as I was doing this research, Raven,
Speaker 1: you asked me how many UFO sightings happen around air
Speaker 1: force bases?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, just doing this for you know,
Speaker 2: the month and a half or whatever I've been doing,
Speaker 2: We've talked about UFOs a good bit and there always
Speaker 2: seems to be around air force bases. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: how many actually happen just in America around these bases.
Speaker 2: I'm confused that, like why it's specifically these bases.
Speaker 1: So, and a portion of that kind of ties into
Speaker 1: the skeptics of the UFOs, right, because.
Speaker 2: That they're training or their planes are being trained, or
Speaker 2: pilots doing something, or what.
Speaker 1: Your mental craft, right, like the big flying Dorito, the
Speaker 1: angry bomber, the angry Deria. Rather for years, people were
Speaker 1: all around the New Mexico desert saying that they saw
Speaker 1: this flying Dorito in this guy this triangle, and they
Speaker 1: were reporting as a UFO, and so the government would
Speaker 1: send out their people to go out there and take
Speaker 1: these statements and everything. We'll come to find out it
Speaker 1: was an experimental aircraft that they weren't cool with the
Speaker 1: public knowing about yet, so that got roped into the
Speaker 1: UFO and UAP conversation for years and years.
Speaker 2: It is actually pretty cool little aircraft, honest dope. I
Speaker 2: mean it's pretty badass. Look in the aircraft. I'm like, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: But that being said, there are more than a few
Speaker 1: unexplainable things, even by today's metrics. Like we're talking in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and sixties, people were reporting the flying Dorito,
Speaker 1: and now we know what that bomber looks like. But
Speaker 1: some of these reports, even from way back in the
Speaker 1: sixties are still unexplainable even by today's standards. With all
Speaker 1: the undisclosed things, and we now know what these experimental
Speaker 1: craft were, what they looked like. Sometimes they have become
Speaker 1: a part of our fleet. Sometimes they were just an
Speaker 1: experiment and they got thrown by the wayside, and you
Speaker 1: know they didn't work out that way. But whatever. But
Speaker 1: to that point, so I pulled it up on Google.
Speaker 1: Here it says, while exact numbers for only Air Force
Speaker 1: bases aren't specified, the US Air Force officially investigated over
Speaker 1: twelve thousand, six hundred UFO now UAP sidings through Project
Speaker 1: Blue Book from nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Wait, just from forty seven to sixty nine, twelve twelve thousand,
Speaker 2: six hundred.
Speaker 1: Over twelve six Wow. Now that base said that timeframe
Speaker 1: is what we are talking about of these experimental crafts.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that ties in though with everyone you know,
Speaker 2: being like, well, how much actual how advance is the
Speaker 2: military versus what we actually know? Uh?
Speaker 1: Yes, to that point. And I've had some people comment
Speaker 1: and be like, I don't think Jacob realizes how like
Speaker 1: he thinks the military is so far advanced. I really
Speaker 1: don't think it's that far advanced, y'all.
Speaker 2: All they do every single day for decades is try
Speaker 2: to advance us as far and as fast as possible.
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna put this into perspective for people,
Speaker 1: and y'all could take this and tell me to fuck
Speaker 1: off with it or not. Okay, our biggest adversaries on
Speaker 1: Earth right now just developed the technology to match what
Speaker 1: we had and threw away in nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: The nuclear powered bomb that China and Rush are touting
Speaker 1: is like this big advancement and whatever. We had that
Speaker 1: tech and threw it away in sixty two. Cut to
Speaker 1: the Russians came up with this response. It was supposed
Speaker 1: to be a helicopter that was supposed to be equivalent
Speaker 1: to our Blackhawks, and in nineteen eighty three one of
Speaker 1: them went down and our guys went in and extracted
Speaker 1: it to look at it and see what the Russians
Speaker 1: were really fucking with.
Speaker 2: Taculia acquired it.
Speaker 1: This was essentially duct taped together with hopes and dreams,
Speaker 1: and it was It looked big and bad. It had
Speaker 1: almost none of the same capabilities that we have. And
Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, that was so viet This is different.
Speaker 1: Now look at the tech that Russia has come out
Speaker 1: with in the last four years of this conflict in Ukraine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you realize that it's still not even close to where
Speaker 1: we were in the nineteen eighty five time frame. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: So they're decades behind us at best.
Speaker 1: They're talking about their hypersonics and all these things, and
Speaker 1: by there they finished one.
Speaker 2: It's because we took all the Nazi scientists.
Speaker 1: Some of that is because of Nazi scientists, but also
Speaker 1: because capitalism is just in and of itself. When a
Speaker 1: bid goes out for hey, we need a machine that
Speaker 1: can do X, Y and Z, and we're going to
Speaker 1: go for the lowest bidder, but the highest competitor and
Speaker 1: all these things, we get a whole slew of companies
Speaker 1: that are willing to work with it and make it happen.
Speaker 1: Communistic states I keep China and Russia, they would go
Speaker 1: off of one of their boys who may or may
Speaker 1: not be able to actually do the tech. And then
Speaker 1: when you have communism, you have super high levels of corruption,
Speaker 1: which I understand happens in a capitalist society as well,
Speaker 1: but not to the extent that the communist corruption takes place.
Speaker 1: Like I can't tell you how many military units in
Speaker 1: Soviet Russia. The top general would sell off all their tanks,
Speaker 1: all their weapons, all their equipment, and then defect to
Speaker 1: another country. That happened on that like hundreds of times
Speaker 1: on repeat. I didn't know that, Yeah, now a lot
Speaker 1: of them. It's true. Why would you want to stay
Speaker 1: in Russia when you can go live in like Bermudo
Speaker 1: being a multi millionaire and just change your.
Speaker 2: Name because you know, the Russians.
Speaker 1: Because you're turning your back on your culture. But fuck
Speaker 1: your culture, you know, damn whatever. Anyway, whatever, Communism is
Speaker 1: the worst human existence experiment that's ever been conducted, honestly.
Speaker 1: But that's the talk for another day.
Speaker 2: Sound was like, so they're behind decades behind us. Yes,
Speaker 2: so in forty seven to sixty nine, we're more advanced
Speaker 2: and had the little drido flying around potentially potentially and
Speaker 2: they just didn't they just release that though, like what
Speaker 2: eight years ago or something or they it came out
Speaker 2: like they showed photographs of it.
Speaker 1: No, No, we were using that stealth bomber. Like there's
Speaker 1: even a.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a newer one that I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1: There's a movie of Navy seals with your boy Kurt
Speaker 1: Russell where they flew in on one of those stealth
Speaker 1: bombers and connected to the bottom of a plane. In
Speaker 1: the eighties, that's fair, But in the forties and fifties
Speaker 1: and sixties that we weren't going to discuss our latest mriders.
Speaker 2: This one, I'm thinking about the the newest one they released.
Speaker 1: They keep coming out with new crash.
Speaker 2: Every every year. I feel like it's something new.
Speaker 1: But that's the other thing too. Even when we're talking
Speaker 1: about these air platforms like the F thirty five, and
Speaker 1: I've heard so many people argue about the F twenty two,
Speaker 1: or is the F twenty five or thirty five rather Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. They're made for different purposes. If you
Speaker 1: go one v one the F thirty five versus the
Speaker 1: F twenty two, the F twenty two is going to
Speaker 1: beat it seven times out of ten. Now, if you
Speaker 1: go five on five F thirty fives and F twenty twos,
Speaker 1: the F thirty fives are gonna wax that ass every
Speaker 1: single time. Because they are made to have smart computers
Speaker 1: that work off of the other air assets. It's a
Speaker 1: different scope for a different mission. Meanwhile, no other country
Speaker 1: on Earth to date is even coming close to that,
Speaker 1: because even the f thirty fives that we sell to
Speaker 1: these other countries is super nerved down.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna be real with you. I don't
Speaker 2: know a bunch about the aircrafts, That's right. It's I
Speaker 2: feel like all men that I am friends with that
Speaker 2: I know that we're in the military are like super
Speaker 2: nerds when it comes to like weapons and aircrafts. It's
Speaker 2: like it's like a requirement or something.
Speaker 1: It's a thing.
Speaker 2: It's like a man thing that's just like man, these
Speaker 2: are so cool. But then it draws me back to
Speaker 2: like little kids playing with like you know, the tanks
Speaker 2: and all the different things, and I was like.
Speaker 1: We're all just still big kids at one point where
Speaker 1: we're all kids playing army in the woods.
Speaker 2: And then I had I had the whole you remember
Speaker 2: the little plastic map of your g I. Joe's and
Speaker 2: you had like the different elevation levels on the map,
Speaker 2: and you had like the river running through. I was
Speaker 2: super about my g I. Joe's like hardcore. I had
Speaker 2: like whole campaign battles that would happen, and I would
Speaker 2: like base them off of like different movies my dad
Speaker 2: was watching because my dad was a massive western and
Speaker 2: war movie person. Yeah, I mean every single movie possible
Speaker 2: that's ever been made, I have likely seen at least
Speaker 2: one time. Yeah, some of them are like more than others.
Speaker 2: And some of them he would I mean he would
Speaker 2: rewor watch the same ones like hundreds and hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of times. So here I was with my own
Speaker 2: little battleground that was happening, and then I got tanks,
Speaker 2: Like I remember one Christmas, I got little tanks and it.
Speaker 1: Was a whole thing, say the whole thing for years,
Speaker 1: but it was probably too long, Like I probably played
Speaker 1: with them way too like later in life than I
Speaker 1: should have, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to like aircrafts, I'm like, yep,
Speaker 2: I don't actually know, but I mean that kind of
Speaker 2: ties in me being a little bit afraid of you folks.
Speaker 1: Oh the fair enough, fair enough. But my point is, though, America,
Speaker 1: if we're looking at our missile capabilities are flight capabilities,
Speaker 1: yes we are. I am being very generous when I
Speaker 1: say best case scenario fifty years ahead of our competition,
Speaker 1: worst case scenario for like thirty years. And it's not
Speaker 1: even it's not even like a real close debatable conversation. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that being said, some of these UFO and UAP
Speaker 1: sidings throughout the decades have been experimental craft. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I can. I can get down on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but out of twelve six hundred and just that
Speaker 2: short amount of time, you're telling me every single one
Speaker 2: of them, Like, there's no way there's even in the
Speaker 2: best case we'll say we'll say ten thousand, six hundred
Speaker 2: of them were experimental. You're still looking at two thousand
Speaker 2: of them they are.
Speaker 1: Like, that's what I'm saying. Statistically, even if twelve six
Speaker 1: we're talking about from forty seven to sixty nine, a
Speaker 1: little over twenty years. Okay, if one percent of those claims,
Speaker 1: which for the record usually is around three to five percent,
Speaker 1: that's unexplained. But let's just be very generous. One percent
Speaker 1: of that is actual UFOs they couldn't explain. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: still talking about over the course of twenty years, one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six give or take sightings explaining that, yeah,
Speaker 1: UFOs are real. And that was just until sixty nine.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just what I know. I found it
Speaker 2: interesting when you looked it up that it only talked
Speaker 2: about like it only brought up Project Blue Book. It
Speaker 2: didn't actually give you like more statistics about recent.
Speaker 1: But kind of yes, kind of no. So let's go
Speaker 1: in even further here. Total sightings twelve six hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen reported to Project blue Book right unidentified still to
Speaker 1: this day, seven hundred and one of the twelve.
Speaker 2: Six seven hundred and one.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we're being super generous, say one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six, it's actually a higher number than that,
Speaker 1: and these have never been understood, identified by any means,
Speaker 1: or at least what they'll allow us to know. Right.
Speaker 1: But now let's cut to specific base incidents because this
Speaker 1: will start the conversation for our episode today, good cult members.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about Vanderberg Air Force Base here, and
Speaker 1: at the time it was in fact an air force base,
Speaker 1: which cool things. Cool things now Vanderberg, it's brought up twice,
Speaker 1: but for this specific example, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the more recent occurrence Vanderberg Air Force Base two thousand
Speaker 1: and three to two thousand and five. Multiple personnel reported
Speaker 1: large silent, glowing red squares and triangular crafts hovering and
Speaker 1: moving it impossible speeds near launch sites and over the
Speaker 1: installation launch sites. You may ask, were launching yeah, nukes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought we were done experimenting with nukes,
Speaker 2: so I thought we weren't launching them for any reason
Speaker 2: any longer.
Speaker 1: Yes, So when we talk about Vanderberg, there's two occurrences
Speaker 1: that typically come up when we're talking about the UFO
Speaker 1: and UAP conversation. One dates back to nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 1: and it was a test launch of a nuclear rocket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were still doing that.
Speaker 1: Now two thousand and three. The launch site is still there,
Speaker 1: the underground silos with nukes ready to go off just
Speaker 1: in case somebody gets squirrely kind of thing. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the events that took place didn't necessarily have to do
Speaker 1: with the nukes, Like they weren't testing them. They weren't
Speaker 1: like going through the procedures and nothing like that. Nobody
Speaker 1: can really explain what took place over the course of
Speaker 1: two years at this base where there was five occurrences
Speaker 1: that have all been reported and documented and are now
Speaker 1: being openly discussed in Congress. Oh, but the nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: four event is where we're going to kind of start
Speaker 1: the conversation. Actually, know what I think we're actually going
Speaker 1: to start the conversation into that. Yeah, we're gonna start
Speaker 1: with the more recent and then we're going to go
Speaker 1: back to the nineteen sixty four to talk about that
Speaker 1: more predominantly. Now here we go, just so we're all
Speaker 1: clear about the nineteen six or I said sixty four,
Speaker 1: excuse me, sixty eight occurrence. Here we go, nineteen I
Speaker 1: messed up. It's nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2: Well, my reading is, oh no, but it did actually
Speaker 2: say sixty eight in the top part and it's highlighted
Speaker 2: dated sixty eight, and then it starts off with nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty four sole incident.
Speaker 1: So nineteen forty four missile incident in September of nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty four. A former first Lieutenant Robert Jacobs put a
Speaker 1: pin in that name because we're going to hear from
Speaker 1: the man. The myth legend himself later in this episode,
Speaker 1: claimed his film crew recorded a saucer shaped object flying
Speaker 1: around a test Atlas missile's warhead during a launch test
Speaker 1: and firing a beam of light at it before the
Speaker 1: warhead fell into the ocean. The project engineer at the time,
Speaker 1: Kingston George, later argued that Jacobs mistook the deployment of
Speaker 1: decoy warheads and chaff designed to prevent interception for extraterrestrial interference,
Speaker 1: a detailed Jacobs was not cleared to know. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna hear about the case in a bit. The video
Speaker 1: shows a saucer that is flying way too fast for
Speaker 1: the human eye to catch. The only way they caught
Speaker 1: it was because the Air Force at the time was
Speaker 1: using a camera with a frame rate of like one
Speaker 1: hundred frames per second. For this specific test, they had
Speaker 1: to get a specific camera brought in via crane that
Speaker 1: was going on thousand frames per second, and he was
Speaker 1: able to catch a saucer that flew around the warhead,
Speaker 1: shot three beams of light at it and then dipped out.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like firing
Speaker 2: beams of light. I was like, do we even have
Speaker 2: that capability quote unquote so.
Speaker 1: Oh no no, And the video shows if you count
Speaker 1: the frames, we're talking about it traveling legitimate mock fuck
Speaker 1: Like it's not oh, this was going hundreds of feet
Speaker 1: per second. No, we're talking about like, we don't have
Speaker 1: the materials that could go that fast.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: What was that other episode you me and Jonathan did
Speaker 2: about the sightings where they had like the slant the
Speaker 2: it's a really famous one we were talking about, and
Speaker 2: they had the ones that went really really fast and
Speaker 2: they couldn't they couldn't keep track of it, and they
Speaker 2: like it like zoomed off and then came back and
Speaker 2: then slowed down and stopped and then boom boom back again.
Speaker 2: I forget. There's so many damn UFO sightings that it's
Speaker 2: like you can't even keep up.
Speaker 1: But that's my point, the best we can do. And
Speaker 1: talking about the stealth aircraft again, if you look at
Speaker 1: how those stealth aircraft are made, they're built from titanium
Speaker 1: because when you're going that fast, you're literally fighting against
Speaker 1: the friction of the air molecules that it is cutting through,
Speaker 1: and that thing gets hot as fuck and you can't
Speaker 1: use ceramics for that, so they had to use titanium.
Speaker 1: When it's on the ground, it's like got gaps and
Speaker 1: it looks like it's barely hailed together with a dream.
Speaker 1: It leaks fuel on the flight deck because the seals
Speaker 1: are not fully closed all the way, because once it
Speaker 1: gets up to speed, the heat makes everything expand and
Speaker 1: everything seals up properly.
Speaker 2: I actually didn't know that it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's fucking mind blowing.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they figure that out, honestly.
Speaker 1: It's actually crazy if you look at how we got
Speaker 1: the titanium, because we had to get it from Soviet
Speaker 1: Rush at the time, because they're the only ones that
Speaker 1: were doing titanium forging, and we told them that we
Speaker 1: were making some really really specific pizza ovens, and that's
Speaker 1: how they sold what. I shit you, we actually made
Speaker 1: to do an episode on that one.
Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even I don't know a lot about it,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, So that'd be fascinating, Medica.
Speaker 1: Why do you need forty tons of this specific titanium?
Speaker 1: We are building a really crazy experimental line of pizza. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fo titanium.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's New York and Chicago be where it's at, dude,
Speaker 2: cut to.
Speaker 1: We now have one of the most insane stealth fighters
Speaker 1: stealth bombers to ever exist. That again, no other country
Speaker 1: on Earth is even based.
Speaker 2: Off of a UFO that they actually got and they
Speaker 2: were trying to replicate that technology.
Speaker 1: The one I'm talking about is one of the hard angles.
Speaker 1: It looks like a minecraft.
Speaker 2: Plane almost, you know, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That I don't think was replicated off of alien tech
Speaker 1: because if you look at a lot of the alien crafts,
Speaker 1: they are super smooth. There's very few hard angles on
Speaker 1: that that was built specifically to fight the certain radar
Speaker 1: systems that were being used during that day and age,
Speaker 1: because radar systems are looking for a smooth surface and
Speaker 1: then it could bounce back and it takes that reading
Speaker 1: for the speed and all these things. Those hard angles
Speaker 1: basically take the reading and make it shoot off in
Speaker 1: different directions to make it stef Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just it's I wonder how many
Speaker 2: different aircrafts they've actually obtained from UFOs, different types and
Speaker 2: different I mean, if we're arguing that there's different type
Speaker 2: of aliens, and I wonder how many different types of
Speaker 2: crafts they have.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from a guy later that says where
Speaker 1: it's over seventy known species of aliens.
Speaker 2: Of course, the fucking all.
Speaker 1: And we only have made deals with like five.
Speaker 2: Man, can we just get a nice one?
Speaker 1: Can we just get like a they're real like, according
Speaker 1: to the guy we're gonna hear later, there are some
Speaker 1: that are more kind they're not here to help humanity,
Speaker 1: but they're also not here to hurt us. They're just
Speaker 1: kind of chilling. They're doing their thing, you know, and
Speaker 1: if they give us some tech and it helps us out,
Speaker 1: then gucci. But like that's not the whole reason they
Speaker 1: made the trip to Earth. And there's the other types
Speaker 1: that are absolutely trying to fuck our shit up. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to all this animal bit good cult
Speaker 1: members anyway. All right, So we're at the so, yeah, four,
Speaker 1: we talked about that. He's saying that this this thing
Speaker 1: that was in the sky that you can clearly see
Speaker 1: fly into frame, shoot beams of light and they leave
Speaker 1: the frame. That was chaff, that was that was trash
Speaker 1: that was in the air to stop counter missile. And
Speaker 1: it's like, there's counter missile measure within a few hundred
Speaker 1: feet of the launch site. They're sitting like miles in
Speaker 1: the sky. This was a few hundred feet from launch site,
Speaker 1: So that that checks out totally.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Of course, anyway, we're gonna talk about that one. But
Speaker 1: let's start off with the two thousand and three siding.
Speaker 1: An Air Force veteran and former Navy pilot testified to
Speaker 1: a Congressional panel about multiple UAP incidents between two thousand
Speaker 1: and three and two thousand and five. The most prominent was
Speaker 1: the sighting of a quote, very large, one hundred yards
Speaker 1: sided red square that hovered silently over a launch facility
Speaker 1: before darting off with incredible speed. Security guards reported, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a floating red.
Speaker 2: Cube, a gelatinous cube, possibly fucking gelatinous cubes. Those that
Speaker 2: haven't ever seen onward would not understand. It's a kid's movie.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic yo, and he's like, who's a gelatinos cube?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 1: And also if you played Minecraft, you know what that's
Speaker 1: talking about. That them things suck.
Speaker 2: Yes, they just they eat everything. They're like an acid
Speaker 2: filled cube that like destroy all life.
Speaker 1: In Minecraft, when you the ones that start off are
Speaker 1: super huge, and you break that down breaks off into
Speaker 1: three smaller ones, and you have to kill all those,
Speaker 1: and those break off in the three small ones. There's
Speaker 1: like four levels of cubes you have to kill before
Speaker 1: you can finally be done with it. It's a pain
Speaker 1: in the ass.
Speaker 2: It reminds you of The Blob. Yeah, the movie The Blob.
Speaker 2: Those that haven't seen it way back in the day.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so it hovered silently over a launch facility
Speaker 1: before darting off. Security guards reported other more aggressive, fast
Speaker 1: moving objects later that evening. So okay, but further adode,
Speaker 1: Let's get into the backstory of Vanderberg Space Force space because.
Speaker 2: I just don't know a bunch about Space Space Force.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you.
Speaker 1: They are the super nerds of the military, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, on some scale, I am jealous of them.
Speaker 2: Low key. I would totally want to join this group.
Speaker 1: You've seen their uniforms, right.
Speaker 2: No, I actually have no. I I've never seen them.
Speaker 1: Oh, good cult members. We're going to explore this together,
Speaker 1: hold on space.
Speaker 2: When I say I don't know a bunch about them,
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like, I really don't know a bunch.
Speaker 1: But okay, So I'm gonna be honest with you. The
Speaker 1: Space Force dress Blues are pretty pimp nasty. I am
Speaker 1: not saying. I'm not saying they're equal to the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1: For obvious reasons, they will never did this.
Speaker 2: They remind me of a couple old movies.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're called guardians. Also, they're not Space Force sets.
Speaker 1: They are Space Force Guardians. The Army has soldiers. The
Speaker 1: Navy has said, I mean.
Speaker 2: How can we join? Can we join? Are we too old?
Speaker 1: They have specifics, they have specific jobs that we you
Speaker 1: might you might have a job set that they would
Speaker 1: be able to use. There is no place in the
Speaker 1: Space Force for a former grunt, come to find out.
Speaker 1: I am salty about that, because I was going to
Speaker 1: look into joining the Space Force reserves. You're telling me
Speaker 1: once a month I get to go to fucking space
Speaker 1: camp the fuck and get paid and try Carrie and
Speaker 1: I actually join.
Speaker 2: I wonder if I'm too old though, like straight up.
Speaker 1: So this is, as of now, the smallest branch of
Speaker 1: the United States Military. I think they have under twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand guardians.
Speaker 2: So I guess my project. My project today is to
Speaker 2: see if I can join. I did hold a top
Speaker 2: secret clearance, so maybe as.
Speaker 1: Did I, but yours was for more practical means. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's fair, But I don't know because they deal with
Speaker 1: a lot with the satellites, and you with your comed,
Speaker 1: actually have quite a.
Speaker 2: Bit of knowledge when it comes to satellite So.
Speaker 1: Stand by, everybody might be going Space Force.
Speaker 2: And if I go Space Force, so I'm gonna be watched.
Speaker 2: So heavily because of this damn podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, Hindsight twenty twenty, you may not be able
Speaker 1: to join because affiliations.
Speaker 2: I don't know everybody. If I have a way, I
Speaker 2: will let everyone know quietly aka the Internet.
Speaker 1: But we had a Space Force major come on the
Speaker 1: show at one point and tell us, yeah, me and
Speaker 1: Jonathan had him two years ago. He was in charge
Speaker 1: of four hundred satellites himself, and then I mentioned that
Speaker 1: they were about to send him to specialized weapons training
Speaker 1: and I'm like, old fuck on, Major, what kind of
Speaker 1: special weapons training does the Space Force need with four
Speaker 1: hundred satellites? And he would not explain any bit of that.
Speaker 2: He he was very the satellite people that worked with us.
Speaker 2: So we had two guys that came to us. So, actually,
Speaker 2: satellites is their own special MOS within Marine Corps in communications,
Speaker 2: and there's not a bunch of them, there's a whole
Speaker 2: well at the time. I don't know nowadays, but I
Speaker 2: don't want.
Speaker 1: Marine talking of satellites. I get it.
Speaker 2: So they had a ton but like I actually asked
Speaker 2: a ton of questions when it came to satellites because
Speaker 2: there's a lot to do with them and how they work,
Speaker 2: and how they orbit and how they like talk to
Speaker 2: each other, and like it's just it's a ton of information.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious. I love the uniform. What does that
Speaker 2: remind me of? There's a movie that star Trek Well, true,
Speaker 2: but there's there's a specific movie that reminds me of.
Speaker 2: I think it's a Kurt Russell movie. Actually, mm hmmmm,
Speaker 2: I actually really want to weary one. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Like all jokes aside and I understand or they are
Speaker 1: a product or the Year Force, but we're gonna shot
Speaker 1: on them for their own reasons.
Speaker 2: You know what, bro that is today? Today is the
Speaker 2: day I'm going to look into potentially joining and said
Speaker 2: Space Force.
Speaker 1: I don't see why not.
Speaker 2: This is a great day, all right, tell me about
Speaker 2: this whole Vanderberg situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So let's get into the history and heritage
Speaker 1: of Vanderberg Space Force Base. And they talk about space
Speaker 1: launch del to thirty. We're not going to get into
Speaker 1: that one, but anyway, so, Vanderberg Space Force Base currently
Speaker 1: contains ninety nine over ninety nine thousand acres of land.
Speaker 1: It operates approximately sixteen launch facilities and complexes, and maintains
Speaker 1: the second largest airfield runway in the Department of Defense
Speaker 1: Department of War, which is thirteen or sorry, fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: feet long.
Speaker 2: That's massive, by the way. That is ninety nine thousand
Speaker 2: acres for a random Air Force space Force base. Yep,
Speaker 2: there's nothing under the ground, nothing to.
Speaker 1: See here, but sixteen launch facilities. The installation provides a
Speaker 1: safe location for the testing of new and existing Department
Speaker 1: of War sanctioned programs, government and commercial launch and range services,
Speaker 1: as well as offers future spacelift and land based mission
Speaker 1: capabilities in support of the national defense strategy. Vanderberg was
Speaker 1: originally established as the Camp Cook US Army Garrison in
Speaker 1: August of nineteen forty one. So this is before the
Speaker 1: Air Force, right, because at the time it was the
Speaker 1: Army Air Corps. Right. If you look at any of
Speaker 1: these pilots from World War Two, these pilots weren't Air
Speaker 1: Force pilots, they were Army Air pilots.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 1: So the installation was used for Army tank, infantry and
Speaker 1: artillery training during World War Two and again during the
Speaker 1: Korean War. In nineteen fifty seven, however, the installation property
Speaker 1: was transferred to the recently established US Air Force. It
Speaker 1: was soon transformed into the nation's West coast space and
Speaker 1: missile facility that it is now Vanderberg SFB Space Force Base.
Speaker 1: The unique geographical location of Vanderberg makes this major range
Speaker 1: and test facility based a safe and ideal setting to
Speaker 1: test LAMB based strategic deterrent assets and to safely place
Speaker 1: satellite payloads into polar Earth orbit. So continuing on here,
Speaker 1: the requirement for the US the United States to construct
Speaker 1: a large launch facility on the West Coast derived from
Speaker 1: the need to match the overcome, excuse me, match and
Speaker 1: overcome Russia space launch capabilities during the Cold War, which
Speaker 1: is crazy to me because they only have one spot
Speaker 1: in all of Russia that can launch anything into space,
Speaker 1: and that's in Kazakhstan. Like Russia proper has no launch
Speaker 1: facilities that could put something into space, but at the
Speaker 1: time it was the Soviet Union. We just learned about
Speaker 1: that just a couple of weeks ago, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: because Russia fucked up their only launch pad like this
Speaker 1: happened last week. Well as of time of recording last week,
Speaker 1: we don't.
Speaker 2: Really understand how they fucked shit up so much like
Speaker 2: they consistently fuck sit up.
Speaker 1: So I think, honestly, this is the same launch pad
Speaker 1: that has been used for every single Russian space operation
Speaker 1: since the beginning.
Speaker 2: Of the Cold Yeah, well that makes sense that they
Speaker 2: haven't repaired it and they've been using the same spot
Speaker 2: over and over and over again. I could understand that,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, come on, man, how can you keep
Speaker 2: fucking shit up so much?
Speaker 1: So it was two Russian cosmonauts and one American astronaut
Speaker 1: that was on the Shuttle when the launch pad sucked up. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the launch was successful, but the thrust from the rockets
Speaker 1: fucked up the launch pad itself and it can't be
Speaker 1: used right now.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well, I'm glad that they didn't die.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, everybody's cool. Everybody made it to the ISS
Speaker 1: and it's all there. I know some people think space
Speaker 1: is faking gate. This beside the point we're talking about UFOs.
Speaker 1: So for this episode, good cult members, let's just assume
Speaker 1: that space is reel and planets are real and all
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 2: But if you think space is faking gay but believe
Speaker 2: in you of foes.
Speaker 1: They're demons. Obviously they're demons. Raven I mean, but or
Speaker 1: inter dimensional or time travelers.
Speaker 2: To be fair, I do believe in multi dimensions, so
Speaker 2: that's the same, and I do believe that there's things
Speaker 2: down below us or potentially in Antarctica, But like, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't quite understand the conversation about space being fakeing
Speaker 2: gay when like we can physically see it, but.
Speaker 1: They think we're looking at the firmament and that the
Speaker 1: stars are just pinholes so we could breathe. Oh, I've tried.
Speaker 1: I've tried to out having so many conversations with flat earthers.
Speaker 2: It's okay, I mean, if that's what they believe, like
Speaker 2: I'm totally here for it, But I just am kind
Speaker 2: of confused in the sense of there's so much evidence
Speaker 2: in we know that we there is multiple universes without
Speaker 2: with say we're even in a little globe or we
Speaker 2: have a flat Earth and the multi dimensions. Okay, I
Speaker 2: can get down with that. I can believe that, but
Speaker 2: it's still acknowledging though that there's like but there's still
Speaker 2: more up or at least below both Like I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've had these conversations. I personally believe that interdimensional travel
Speaker 1: is very possible.
Speaker 2: I think they already do it. I think that it's
Speaker 2: or at least we're almost there. If we haven't achieved it,
Speaker 2: I believe that it's like a cunt hair away from
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: But think about it like this, and I've tried, given
Speaker 1: this example, what if what we are calling air dimensional
Speaker 1: travel is what the alien races would call the interstate, Right,
Speaker 1: They're not tearing through fabric of time and space just
Speaker 1: to do things. They're doing it to jump from two
Speaker 1: black holes. Very well? Could be the.
Speaker 2: Black holes make a lot more sense to me because
Speaker 2: of how time is time, like the one thing we
Speaker 2: know is completely different in three parts of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it just I'm not like the most knowledgeable when
Speaker 2: it comes to all this. I'm definitely still learning. But
Speaker 2: just the little knowledge I do know, it doesn't make
Speaker 2: it makes sense to me that there is at least
Speaker 2: they're coming from outer space. They're coming from not all
Speaker 2: of them. I do believe that there are some here
Speaker 2: already on Earth, even if we have colonies potentially or
Speaker 2: whatever is going on, but that I don't think that
Speaker 2: it equals every single alien species or every single alien
Speaker 2: that we've seen. I believe they're coming from up above us,
Speaker 2: and they're coming in from different areas and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I agree personally, But then there's that's the thing. If
Speaker 1: you get five not even flat earthers, if you get
Speaker 1: five different alien believers in a room, you get five
Speaker 1: different opinions on what they are. Again, some people believe,
Speaker 1: they don't believe in aliens, believe in angels, and demons
Speaker 1: absolutely believe that these are interdimensional beings.
Speaker 2: A demons need spacecrafts to travel around.
Speaker 1: I don't. I've asked this question because all accounts if.
Speaker 2: We're talking, I'm not trying to shit on nobody. I'm
Speaker 2: just honestly, just like thoughts that are coming to my head,
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, why would they need a spacecraft to
Speaker 2: travel around?
Speaker 1: So per biblical sources, they don't need that. They pop
Speaker 1: in and out of our physical realm when they see fit,
Speaker 1: and that's always made sense to me. But they bring
Speaker 1: up a few examples of from the Old Testament, when
Speaker 1: Moses was getting his people out and across the Red Sea,
Speaker 1: these angels came down in chariots of fire. Well why
Speaker 1: do angels chariots? Well, okay, fine, but my point is,
Speaker 1: why did the angels need chariots of fire. If they
Speaker 1: didn't this and this, and like, okay, I hear this. However,
Speaker 1: could it be that they were on the war path
Speaker 1: and that's why they were in a war chariot?
Speaker 2: I mean, that makes sense to me, considering how chariots
Speaker 2: were and stuff. But I just don't quite understand some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that people think. But I mean, it
Speaker 2: doesn't bother me that this is their thought pattern. I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting that there's so many different theories when
Speaker 2: it is in pertaining two different alien UFOs, the sightings,
Speaker 2: who's here, who's actually not here, what they're gonna do?
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point, none of us know for
Speaker 2: certain because everything is hidden and redacted in all the crap.
Speaker 2: We know that they're here, we know that they've been here. Yep,
Speaker 2: what kind or who they are? That still seems to
Speaker 2: be kind of a mystery. I think they did release
Speaker 2: that there's like they talked about in Congress, confirming that
Speaker 2: there was like three different types.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna hear about more of that later, right,
Speaker 1: So I think we may have made deals with three types,
Speaker 1: but there could be up to seventy, of course I
Speaker 1: don't know. But so anyway, cut into They built this
Speaker 1: base to be a response to Russia's space capabilities, which
Speaker 1: again is crazy to me because at the time, Kazakhstan
Speaker 1: was a part of the Soviet Union. Any country out
Speaker 1: there that has a stand in the name at one
Speaker 1: point was a part of the Soviet Union. And Kazakhstan
Speaker 1: is the only launch pad that the entirety of Russia
Speaker 1: has ever had and still has to this day. They're
Speaker 1: not a part of Russia. But I think it's very
Speaker 1: similar to how we have like military bases in other
Speaker 1: countries that we bought the land. Kurdistan, well, Kurdistan's kirk Curtisan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 1: Twice, Kirkdistan. If I said Kurdistan's on a place, I
Speaker 1: wish it would be a place. But that's a geopolitical
Speaker 1: conversation for another night. But like Djibouti, we own land
Speaker 1: in Jibouti. We own land in Cuba, Guantanamo.
Speaker 2: Bet I loved the names of places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jibuti, Djibouti. That was the capital city of the nation,
Speaker 1: and the entire.
Speaker 2: Country definitely named that.
Speaker 1: That would be the French, believe it or not.
Speaker 2: I'm just giving you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those people are starving and they're all drug addicts.
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. It's Africa. What do you expect Anyway,
Speaker 1: Beside the point, so continuing on here, this base in
Speaker 1: Vanderberg was built to be a response to the Soviet
Speaker 1: Union's abilities at the time, which is crazy to me.
Speaker 1: But moving on, Russia launched its first man made satellite, Sputnik,
Speaker 1: into low Earth orbit on the fourth of October nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven, which started the quote unquote space race between
Speaker 1: the United States and Russia. In response to the Sputnik
Speaker 1: launch of the United States Air Force accelerated the development
Speaker 1: of the space and missile program that it was in
Speaker 1: that was at the time in its infancy. On January first,
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eighth, Strategic Air Command SAC or SAC assumed
Speaker 1: responsibility for attaining the initial operational capability of the US
Speaker 1: land based Strategic Deterrent Missile Force. God, it's a mouthful,
Speaker 1: as well as conducting training for missile launch crews. Air
Speaker 1: Research and Development Command or art C retained responsibility for
Speaker 1: the Vanderberg launch facility construction as well as concurrently conduct
Speaker 1: research and development for launch vehicles. So anyway we're going
Speaker 1: there's a list of the highlights of some things and
Speaker 1: some dates of what took place at this area. Coolkoo
Speaker 1: Cool now cut to the United States Space Force. On
Speaker 1: the twentieth of December nineteen or twenty nineteen, the President
Speaker 1: of the United States, DONNYE. T signed into law the
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty National Defense Authorization Act to establish the
Speaker 1: sixth Uniform Military Branch of the Department of Defense. At
Speaker 1: that time it was still the DoD. Now it is
Speaker 1: the Department of War. All mission sets and personnel assigned
Speaker 1: to the previous Air Force Space Command were reassigned to
Speaker 1: the United States Space Force with the establishment of the
Speaker 1: Space Force. The fourteenth Air Force and Air Force Space
Speaker 1: Command marked the end of the Air Force lineage, and
Speaker 1: all missions in personnel were reassigned into the newly designated
Speaker 1: Space Operations Command or SPOC. The Space Force organizational structure
Speaker 1: is streamlined to support rapid commander taskings. The numbers air
Speaker 1: Force and group echelons of command previously found in the
Speaker 1: Air Force organizational structure are removed in the Space Force,
Speaker 1: and the former thirtieth Operations Group and thirtieth Missions Groups
Speaker 1: ended their lineage with the establishment of the Space Launched
Speaker 1: Delta thirty on the fourteenth of May twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: On thirteenth of August twenty twenty one, Space Systems Command
Speaker 1: reorganized to become a field command with the United States
Speaker 1: Space Force to manage launch and range operations at the
Speaker 1: Eastern and Western Ranges. Space Operations Command relinquishes parent headquarter
Speaker 1: authority over Space Launch Delta thirty and the Delta became
Speaker 1: assigned to the newly established Space Systems Command. So again
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we just went over in
Speaker 1: a very condensed amount of time. But long story short,
Speaker 1: this base Vanderberg originally was an Army base that was
Speaker 1: used for regular Army training. Cut to it became a
Speaker 1: Air Force base specifically for launching and testing in R
Speaker 1: and D. Then in twenty twenty it became a part
Speaker 1: of the Space Force. So that is why we're going
Speaker 1: to hear some of these things being used interchangeably right now,
Speaker 1: especially when we hear some eyewitness testimonies. But the years
Speaker 1: that they are talking about from two thousand and three
Speaker 1: two thousand and five it was an Air Force base
Speaker 1: and from the sixty four it was an Air Force
Speaker 1: base as well. So just we're clear that is the
Speaker 1: chain of custody. Anyway, Let's get into the next topic here,
Speaker 1: all right. So now we are going to go to
Speaker 1: Euphouria UFOARA dot com dot net. Excuse me, yeah, I
Speaker 1: do dig the website. I do. And let's learn a
Speaker 1: little bit about the situation at hand here. Again, we
Speaker 1: are not going to nineteen sixty four just yet. We
Speaker 1: are sticking to the two thousand and three situation. From
Speaker 1: two thousand and three to two thousand and five, some
Speaker 1: wild things went down over here at Vanderberg Air Force
Speaker 1: Base now space Force base. Let's talk about it here.
Speaker 1: Former Navy pilot testifies about two thousand and three UFO
Speaker 1: sighting over Vanderberg Air Force Base. This article is written
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, so it also bothers me that
Speaker 1: you know that it's a space Force base now, But
Speaker 1: I guess the report was down walls an air force whatever. Anyway.
Speaker 1: In the congressional hearing on July twenty six, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: former US Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves testified about a
Speaker 1: two thousand and three incident involving a massive unidentified flying
Speaker 1: object over Vanderberg Air Force Base in California. Graves, now
Speaker 1: the executive director full of Americans for Safe Aerospace.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting title.
Speaker 1: Americans for Safe Aerospace. What I didn't know that agency existed.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that existed either, But now I'm kind
Speaker 2: of curious about it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's one of those government nonprofits to be
Speaker 1: taken that momney. But anyway, beside the point, here he
Speaker 1: related accounts from Boeing contractors who reported witnessing a one
Speaker 1: hundred yard sighted red square UFO approaching the base from
Speaker 1: the ocean and hovering at low altitude over a launch facility. Now,
Speaker 1: before we continue here, the UFOs that most people en
Speaker 1: mass describe. We've heard of the flying tic TACs. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've heard of the flying triangles. We hear of the
Speaker 1: flying orbs, some saucer activity whatever.
Speaker 2: That big rectangle thing.
Speaker 1: The rectangles are the outlier.
Speaker 2: I've only honestly heard of a few just from you guys.
Speaker 1: Actually, right, there are reports of these rectangles or squares
Speaker 1: or for lack of better words, gelatinous glowing cubes that
Speaker 1: are in the sky from time to time. That is
Speaker 1: the rarity as far as.
Speaker 2: The weird like, that's a weird shape.
Speaker 1: And a one hundred yard square at that and it
Speaker 1: says sighted too. So it's not like I want people
Speaker 1: to picture this if you've ever played Minecraft, the clouds
Speaker 1: what I.
Speaker 2: Knew you were going to bring into Minecraft.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of something that can make sense
Speaker 1: to people if you've ever played Minecraft and no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the size, Yes, I'm talking about like a cube, like,
Speaker 1: don't think of a floating square. I know there's going
Speaker 1: to be people that are saying that, like on Psychedelics,
Speaker 1: I've seen so many fractals and you just see these
Speaker 1: floating triangles and squares exactly think of it. It's a
Speaker 1: sighted cube, So I don't. Then they say a sided square.
Speaker 1: I am not sure if it's more of the cube variety,
Speaker 1: rectangle variety, whatever the case would be. But one hundred
Speaker 1: yards at least surface level, and then there is obvious
Speaker 1: sides to it, and it's glowing and it's red.
Speaker 2: It's kind of freaky, to be honest with you. I
Speaker 2: mean I would be like, is this a giant Minecraft block? Like?
Speaker 1: Right, do we step into the over ward?
Speaker 2: Is this a big ass mine clos Like? Okay, I
Speaker 2: mean it's it's weird. It's weird shape though for UFO,
Speaker 2: like of all the different types.
Speaker 1: You give me shit for bringing up Minecraft, but then
Speaker 1: whenever I describe it, it's like I don't know another
Speaker 1: version that could make that kind of.
Speaker 2: Makes Honestly, I'm just thinking about the gelatin this cuban Onward.
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna be real with you, if I was
Speaker 2: to pick something, I'm just thinking about that slow moving
Speaker 2: gelatinus Cube's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Like the whole time he looked like like a silly,
Speaker 1: silly big brother for bringing up until he got that
Speaker 1: movie is so underrated. It especially the greatest movie Onward
Speaker 1: is great. There was a couple of scenes that didn't
Speaker 1: need to be in it. That's fair, right, but like
Speaker 1: they didn't need to there was certain points when they
Speaker 1: took it to the spin that didn't need to go there.
Speaker 1: Aside from these very rare few times, it was a
Speaker 1: super underrated movie.
Speaker 2: It was a solid movie. But I will say, like
Speaker 2: a I can see how a Minecraft cube would make
Speaker 2: a lot of sense, But why a cube though, of
Speaker 2: all the ways to travel, it just seems like an
Speaker 2: odd way to wouldn't it get like more drag on
Speaker 2: the sides because of the sharp angles versus like a
Speaker 2: sphere or.
Speaker 1: So you bring up a very good point, and here
Speaker 1: is the weird counterpoint to it. Okay, these crafts are
Speaker 1: doing things that defy all physics. They are droppings, I
Speaker 1: guess I mean human physics. I should say, yeah, they
Speaker 1: are going from thirty thousand feet to three and under
Speaker 1: one second if you do the math on that be Honestly.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm trying to like visualize in my head
Speaker 2: of how fast it is, and like I just can't.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what. You know, we've talked about this
Speaker 1: on the show before, but for this episode, we're gonna
Speaker 1: redo some quick figure right here. So thirty thousand feet
Speaker 1: in one second, and we're gonna convert that to miles
Speaker 1: per hours, just so we're all on the same page
Speaker 1: of what kind of speed we're talking about here. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's uh, this is literal mock fuck. Okay, we're talking
Speaker 1: about going over twenty thousand miles per hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I just I guess maybe like there's a
Speaker 2: lot more of this than I would go.
Speaker 1: From thirty thousand to three feet. We can assume that's
Speaker 1: like thirty thousand feet per second. Okay, you know, actually
Speaker 1: you know what feet per second converted to mph. Just
Speaker 1: so we're all all on the same page, cheer.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm curious to see what this is gonna say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, thirty thousand feet per second is equal to
Speaker 1: approximately twenty thousand, four hundred and fifty four miles per hour.
Speaker 2: That's so fast.
Speaker 1: And just so we're all clear here, speed of sound.
Speaker 1: And I understand as I typed this in a lot
Speaker 1: of things different with this humidity, atmospheric pressure, all of
Speaker 1: these things. Pom pom pom gets you. I got it. Okay,
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty three meters per second. Okay, the
Speaker 1: speed of sound is about seven hundred miles per hour. Wow,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty one miles per hour. And that's
Speaker 1: that we're talking about twenty thousand and this isn't even
Speaker 1: the fastest craft that they've caught on camera. This is
Speaker 1: just the one that's more frequently seen.
Speaker 2: It's crazy that they could catch it on the camera though,
Speaker 2: like real shit, like with our kind of technology, how
Speaker 2: fast they could catch it. I'm surprised, honestly that they
Speaker 2: could catch that.
Speaker 1: So we are talking about something that's going mock fuck,
Speaker 1: which honestly, we don't have something that goes this fast.
Speaker 1: We don't have materials that can even be built, Like,
Speaker 1: we can't even build a missile to go this fast
Speaker 1: because we don't have the at the atomic level the
Speaker 1: materials that they were going this fast or tear themselves apart.
Speaker 2: That's insane. If you think about the spaceship, it was
Speaker 2: going faster than a missile, like it would probably like
Speaker 2: slow down like the old road runner. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: go peep beep, and like, hey, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as we're talking about why is it a cube,
Speaker 1: it's we're not talking about something that is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: dealing with our laws of aerospace engineering or our laws
Speaker 1: of physics.
Speaker 2: It's way above my pay grade. I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 2: with you. I'm terrible with masks.
Speaker 1: So me and Jonathan thought about it. You and I
Speaker 1: can have these discussions like why a saucer, why an orb,
Speaker 1: why a bell shaped?
Speaker 2: Or makes sense to me? The orb makes sense to me,
Speaker 2: The bell shape, I mean kind of makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: The triangle makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe depends on it.
Speaker 2: It depends, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: But the tack the tack and then not only does
Speaker 1: it go down that fast. But then it goes into
Speaker 1: the water without making a splash and continues going that
Speaker 1: fast in water. I could see that I get thirty
Speaker 1: thousand miles per hour in water.
Speaker 2: Well, liquid is easier to go through.
Speaker 1: I would think we're talking it's a craft. Well, I
Speaker 1: like a submarine on the descent goes down lower or
Speaker 1: slower than a plane taking off. Right, So water, although
Speaker 1: sound travels faster through.
Speaker 2: It, yes, but it's denser. So okay.
Speaker 1: These crafts are able to go from thirty thousand feet
Speaker 1: to three feet and then break the surface of the
Speaker 1: water without even causing so much as a ripple, and
Speaker 1: then continue down at the same speed that they were
Speaker 1: in the air. This is beyond physics.
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, real shit, if these if these aliens
Speaker 2: want to take us over, like we hear nothing, like,
Speaker 2: we're nothing compared to these aliens the technology alone, We're
Speaker 2: just gonna be fucked.
Speaker 1: And that's so back to that conversation. Is it possible
Speaker 1: that these are the space hippies that have this crazy.
Speaker 2: I stand by that these are that they are scientists,
Speaker 2: not all of them. I stand by that there is
Speaker 2: a majority of them that are here to be scientists
Speaker 2: and that's.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily a good thing because like scientists were working
Speaker 1: with the Nazis in the Japanese and did a lot
Speaker 1: of atrocious things in the name of science. So like true,
Speaker 1: but just because they're scientists and academics does not mean
Speaker 1: that like we're safe.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, but I think that if they
Speaker 2: wanted to be a warring niche and they would have
Speaker 2: done it by now. I mean, we are more technically
Speaker 2: quote unquote technical advanced than we have ever been before. True,
Speaker 2: So if they wanted to take us over Rome, what
Speaker 2: have we been a good time? Medieval times, before the
Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution? I mean, there's many times throughout history where
Speaker 2: like human civilization, they couldn't we're gonna do throws beer
Speaker 2: at somebody, like real shit.
Speaker 1: So here's my and this is not like I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to down this hill, but this is my counter
Speaker 1: argument to that, Okay. And I've had this debate with
Speaker 1: people in the comments section on different posts like oh,
Speaker 1: if America so advance, why don't we just go take
Speaker 1: over Mexico and Venezuela And why don't we just take
Speaker 1: them over? Because we're not a conquesting nation, even though
Speaker 1: we have the ability to we just don't do that.
Speaker 1: We've done it before in the past, yes, never really
Speaker 1: worked out well for us. So now we're more about
Speaker 1: like the third partying, you know what I mean, putting.
Speaker 2: Somebody third party conquests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's somebody who's very favorable to us, but is
Speaker 1: not us.
Speaker 2: We look at human history though, like the people that
Speaker 2: did do massive conquests eventually failed and it toppled over.
Speaker 2: I mean, at least somebody could learn from Rome or
Speaker 2: con and like, you know, hey, maybe we shouldn't expand
Speaker 2: ourselves too much because then all of it will fail.
Speaker 1: Now cut to galactic conversation. Why don't the aliens just
Speaker 1: take us over? They have the technology, they could take
Speaker 1: us over literally and not feel that within a hour.
Speaker 2: Real shit, I mean two battalions honestly could wipe us out.
Speaker 2: It's real shit. I mean maybe not even two, probably
Speaker 2: one could probably take us over.
Speaker 1: But so to to the point, why don't they I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't have like facts to back up
Speaker 1: my thesis on this, my theory. I should say, I
Speaker 1: feel like they've probably done that on other planets before,
Speaker 1: and it was to the juice wasn't worth the squeeze,
Speaker 1: So it is a lot more beneficial to them to
Speaker 1: run our country third party or in our country our
Speaker 1: world third party.
Speaker 2: Put maybe energy harvest in harvesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what their resource of choice is.
Speaker 1: Some claim it is gold, some claim it is energy,
Speaker 1: some claim it's water. That's why our water levels are
Speaker 1: going down, even though somehow it's rising at the same time.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's heat, like, maybe it's electricity.
Speaker 1: Who knows what the resource is that they're coming down
Speaker 1: to harvest from us, But it stands to reason, at least, again,
Speaker 1: this is from a human perspective. We don't actually know
Speaker 1: why or these people, what these creatures are, what they're doing,
Speaker 1: what they're after, whatever, but it stands to reason as
Speaker 1: far as all the evidence that we have right now,
Speaker 1: they could take us over, but they haven't yet. Will
Speaker 1: They don't know, not really trying to find that out
Speaker 1: the hard way, but it seems like they're at least
Speaker 1: using us for something. Is this an experimental testing ground?
Speaker 1: Is this their version of an ant farm and they're
Speaker 1: just kind of letting shit see how it plays out.
Speaker 2: I've always felt like we reset though several times, like
Speaker 2: I feel like at some point we were way more
Speaker 2: advanced the earth or humanity. Humanity, okay, and we've reset somehow.
Speaker 1: There's a strong argument for this.
Speaker 2: That we've reset ourselves a few times and that we've
Speaker 2: lost whatever knowledge we had, and maybe they let us
Speaker 2: get to a certain point and then they're like, you
Speaker 2: know what, Okay, you've reached your expiration or you've gotten
Speaker 2: too big for your breeches. Let's knock you back some
Speaker 2: and they kind of just are resetting. Maybe they harvest
Speaker 2: a bunch of people. Maybe they take whatever it is
Speaker 2: they need, reset the clock, help wipe it out, and
Speaker 2: just keep doing that cycle. Maybe that's a thing.
Speaker 1: There's an argument for this, and there's more argument to
Speaker 1: say that maybe nuclear power is the reset button, right,
Speaker 1: because yeah, there's a few, and I want to say
Speaker 1: a few. There is a handful, fair enough of exposures
Speaker 1: to alien craft beings, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: throughout the course of human history, from the ancient Documentation
Speaker 1: to the Middle Ages, even today. We didn't really start
Speaker 1: seeing them until we started doing nuclear testing. Now, two
Speaker 1: parts to that conversation. One, we didn't have the best
Speaker 1: lines of communication until that point, right, Like more people
Speaker 1: had telephones in their home in nineteen forty eight than
Speaker 1: they did throughout the massive course of the rest of
Speaker 1: human history that we know of. So is it possible
Speaker 1: that these sightings have always been a thing. It's just
Speaker 1: people didn't report them until point and that happened to
Speaker 1: be around the time where nuclear testing was done. Possibly, Okay,
Speaker 1: Also possibly that we walk a beast up as soon
Speaker 1: as we dropped the first nuclear test, the Manhattan Project,
Speaker 1: and that sends ripples through time and space. In my
Speaker 1: personal opinion, when a nuke goes off, when you split
Speaker 1: an atom, you're talking talking about fucking with the actual
Speaker 1: laws of nature. I feel like it let go.
Speaker 2: It let go such a massive pulse it that it
Speaker 2: sent out a shockwave. Plus on top of that, we
Speaker 2: sent out that messenger beacon that's you know, hey, welcome
Speaker 2: to Earth.
Speaker 1: All around your single twenty year time frame, give or take.
Speaker 1: It stands way more to reason to me that it doesn't.
Speaker 1: When a nuke goes off, it's not just a blast
Speaker 1: of radiation, a blast of shockwave and a blast of
Speaker 1: MP I think we are sending out shockwaves that we
Speaker 1: don't actually have the instrumentation to pick up one, but
Speaker 1: they do, and so all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: They come down energy level. We've fucked with the system
Speaker 2: may and that may not necessarily be a bad thing
Speaker 2: as far as they're concerned, because I don't think the
Speaker 2: alien actually give a fuck about us.
Speaker 1: I think that they come in to check in from
Speaker 1: time to time, but at the same time they leave.
Speaker 1: They leave us alone for hundreds of years, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Yo, come check these little these little
Speaker 1: humans out these little seventy percent water sacks. They figured
Speaker 1: out how to nupe themselves. Look them splitting atoms and shit, Yo,
Speaker 1: they got this collider. They're they're doing super colliding shit
Speaker 1: over here with this they call it cern Look at
Speaker 1: this shit like. I think that they started taking more
Speaker 1: notice of us once we hit a certain peak of technology.
Speaker 2: I think that seems the reason, kind of like where
Speaker 2: I'm at with it that they we've I feel like
Speaker 2: we've advanced more than one time to a certain degree,
Speaker 2: and then we've done something to ripple that effect.
Speaker 1: And read about the ancient nuke that went off the
Speaker 1: bramathstra No, I've never heard of this in India.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're side tangent good cult members. Two second here, sorry,
Speaker 1: ancient Indian legend and lore. And I only say legend
Speaker 1: and lore because there was nothing to back this claim up.
Speaker 1: Untol like twenty fifteen. Okay, there's this general slash sultan
Speaker 1: slash king type figure who there's a war going on
Speaker 1: and something's got to give. They have to win this war,
Speaker 1: and it's clear that they are outmatched. So he goes
Speaker 1: into a deep state of meditation, talks to the god
Speaker 1: of Shiva and Krishna and all of them, and they
Speaker 1: give him the Bramathstra. The Bramastra, which also, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, stands for God's sling or the Gods's sling.
Speaker 1: If you look at the description of what it looks
Speaker 1: like once this weapon is used, we would read that
Speaker 1: as a nuclear bomb going off, radiation faces, melting, the
Speaker 1: land is unagregable for another twenty fifty one hundred years,
Speaker 1: shock waves, the whole nine and allegedly, just in this legend,
Speaker 1: this was used at one point, and this is way
Speaker 1: before any real written history, which is why it's written
Speaker 1: down in one of the oldest Vedic texts that's known
Speaker 1: to ma'am cut too. There was a dig site that
Speaker 1: was going on. They were trying to cut a railroad
Speaker 1: through the Hindu Kush region, which is what we would
Speaker 1: now call like the Indian Pakistan border, and they found
Speaker 1: this ancient settlement which Mahuramazda no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no. A hur Amaza is the Zorastrin god. Hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember the name. I'm gonna remember the name
Speaker 1: in the middle of this episode later on. It's going
Speaker 1: to piss me off. But anyway, basically, they were digging
Speaker 1: this railroad and they found a super old building and
Speaker 1: the more they dug, the more they realized this was
Speaker 1: a Indus Valley region city and we've never found one
Speaker 1: before we knew that this civilization existed, we've never found
Speaker 1: one of their settlements, never preserved either. The more they dug,
Speaker 1: the more they found bodies that. Weirdly enough, the skeletons
Speaker 1: were perfectly preserved, which is very strange. Secondly, they all
Speaker 1: had high radiation signatures, which doesn't make any sense. And
Speaker 1: there is there's flash points very similar to POMPEII of
Speaker 1: like a person against the wall basically being shot at
Speaker 1: against the wall, and like the whole soot outline of them,
Speaker 1: but there's no volcanoes in this region. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: It's very strange. So there is some that believe, and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I necessarily do or don't believe
Speaker 1: this point, there are some that believe that the ancient
Speaker 1: ancient Vedics had learned the secrets of nuclear bombs. And
Speaker 1: there are others that believe that this weapon quote unquote
Speaker 1: is something that could only be achieved through massive meditation
Speaker 1: and enlightenment and aligning the chakras and all these things,
Speaker 1: and somehow.
Speaker 2: They became a weapon of energy himself.
Speaker 1: Kind of, and that it's so wrapped up in lore
Speaker 1: and mystery that no and nobody to this day has
Speaker 1: any real beliefs behind it, one way or another. But
Speaker 1: it is very interesting. So we may have had multiple resets.
Speaker 1: There is at least some kernel of truth to that
Speaker 1: that stands to reason with modern archaeology.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've always felt like this for many many years,
Speaker 2: before I even really got into reading archaeology and that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I never really I kind of just
Speaker 2: have always felt like that that humans were more advanced
Speaker 2: at one time and then they've reset, been reset. Let
Speaker 2: me rephrase it. I think that we've been reset by something.
Speaker 2: Now what that something is, I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Certain Maduro, but that's the city, the city of Maduro,
Speaker 1: Mahandra Duro, that's it. Okay, yeah, Mahinda Daro. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: Mahindra Daro. It's a very fascinating city of the Indus
Speaker 1: River Valley timeframe. And you, being the one who's done
Speaker 1: the archaeological digcite, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, now, I really want to know all about this.
Speaker 1: I did an episode on it probably six months ago.
Speaker 1: It is, it's fascinating, it's it's actually never puzzling anything else.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of it, but I'm down to totally
Speaker 2: worried about it. But that's my theory at least, is
Speaker 2: that we've been reset. I'm not gonna say by aliens,
Speaker 2: but i I'm at least by some deities, by some God,
Speaker 2: by some aliens, by whatever the fuck is above us
Speaker 2: that has a lot more knowledge base than we do.
Speaker 2: I feel like we get to a point and we
Speaker 2: do something to piss off somebody, to go too far,
Speaker 2: to upset the balance of nature, to do something, and
Speaker 2: we get reset and we get put back in our
Speaker 2: place and we kind of I wouldn't say start over,
Speaker 2: but we lose a lot of what we've gained, and
Speaker 2: at least that's where I'm at with it. So it's
Speaker 2: it's interesting, but like the gelatinous key thing, it's a
Speaker 2: it's a weird it's just a weird technology. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of weird technology that just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: But also, I mean, if you've never seen it before
Speaker 2: and we have no eye idea how to actually replicate
Speaker 2: it or make it or anything like that, at this point,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of just open to whatever.
Speaker 1: But then keep in mind, this flying cube didn't appear
Speaker 1: above New York City. It didn't appear but above Tucson,
Speaker 1: like we had the Phoenix, like we had the Phoenix lights.
Speaker 1: At one point in time, it happened to be floating
Speaker 1: over a nuclear test site or excuse me, a nuclear
Speaker 1: launch site.
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's more around other nuclear test sites
Speaker 2: or old or old silos or old you know, rundown
Speaker 2: places that.
Speaker 1: More often than not, more often than not, there's UFO
Speaker 1: sightings around current active nuclear bases. There's even case feeding.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're feeding off the nuclear energy, But
Speaker 2: then that would stand the reason would they be over Fukushima?
Speaker 2: Would they be over speaking.
Speaker 1: Of Fukushima with Japan just had two massive earthquakes. They
Speaker 1: had a seven point five and a five point seven
Speaker 1: within three days of each other. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the current standing of Fukushima is.
Speaker 2: But you can actually go to the website. They have
Speaker 2: a Fukushima website that is consistently tracking radiation every single day.
Speaker 2: I followed it for years, but now I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to go look to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: But to that point, though, if that was the case,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they be on a ground nuclear energy sites?
Speaker 2: I would they be eating the nuclear energy or the
Speaker 2: radiation at Chernobyl.
Speaker 1: Maybe the waste is something that they can't use. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But even still, so, there's two cases, and
Speaker 1: we've talked about it on the show before. There was
Speaker 1: one in Russia and one in America, where a floating
Speaker 1: orb by all eyewitness accounts, floated over a nuclear missile site,
Speaker 1: armed the missiles, got them in position, opened the hatch
Speaker 1: doors on multiple missiles. Literally there was only the last
Speaker 1: thing was needed was the pushing of the button. No
Speaker 1: human interacted with it whatsoever. It did all these things
Speaker 1: on its own, and then it decided to float away.
Speaker 1: In Russia, the exact same thing happened, except set a
Speaker 1: couple of things on fire around the nuclear site and
Speaker 1: then dipped out.
Speaker 2: Is only teenagers fucking with us like.
Speaker 1: These were glowing, fiery, floating orbs that also defied the
Speaker 1: laws of aerospace dynamics.
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense why we have Space Force,
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I mean I like it, and
Speaker 2: he's a lot more since the more you look into it.
Speaker 1: But like a child like Trump, hate Trump whatever. I
Speaker 1: think we can all, at least of the cult members
Speaker 1: here listening, say what you want about space. Trump saying
Speaker 1: that space is now a war fighting front. I don't
Speaker 1: think we can really argue with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, did people not watch Space Invaders? No, they did,
Speaker 2: Like man, that that movie. That was one of those
Speaker 2: movies that I watched over and over again as a kid.
Speaker 1: They watched Star Wars and they all and et and
Speaker 1: they for some reason feel like all these aliens are
Speaker 1: like good, little little cute creatures.
Speaker 2: You freak me the fuck out.
Speaker 1: Well good, because we're gonna talk about that later. Because
Speaker 1: that was done on purpose.
Speaker 2: Et et et was Okay, I watched the movie a lot,
Speaker 2: but ET was fucking.
Speaker 1: Freaky to me, good because it should have been. But
Speaker 1: so many people are like, oh, aliens are here to
Speaker 1: like be kind and eat rece's PC's. It's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're not.
Speaker 2: It was a creepy movie.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it here. With the seventy breeds
Speaker 1: of aliens, there might be the ET group, maybe one
Speaker 1: of them. And they believe they believe Spielberg got his
Speaker 1: inspiration from some anonymous whistleblowers from the government that told
Speaker 1: him what these aliens act like, move like, walk like
Speaker 1: all the things I wasn't like.
Speaker 2: Eat was like chill though, to be honest, like he
Speaker 2: wasn't like But.
Speaker 1: What's the chance that he was like the down syndrome
Speaker 1: alien because he was the only one that was left back? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that I'm not the first person to make this joke
Speaker 1: look real. The aliens, whatever breed Eat was, they all
Speaker 1: made it to the ship on time. He's the only
Speaker 1: one that got lost in the sauce, fucking around with
Speaker 1: little little Leaf and the little little ress PCs and
Speaker 1: he's just playing with his finger and he can't even
Speaker 1: speak right and all these things. What's the chances he
Speaker 1: had an extra chromosome and they left his ass on purpose?
Speaker 1: What's the chance? Okay, fine, to a different spectrum. What
Speaker 1: if he was the platoon ship back and they left
Speaker 1: his ass on purpose knowing damn good and well they
Speaker 1: can they know how to do a head call, they
Speaker 1: know how, they know how many they came with and
Speaker 1: how many they leave with. What's the chances that Eats
Speaker 1: was the slow one and they knew that he was
Speaker 1: the liability they left his ass?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think that that's the case, but you
Speaker 2: know why not. I mean, wouldn't you think that they
Speaker 2: would just have a superior race, and if they had
Speaker 2: one that might be a little bit different, they would
Speaker 2: I don't know, Spartagus that shit or like Spartan that
Speaker 2: should throw them off the mountain. Maybe this was that
Speaker 2: version of oh my God, left it with the humans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because figure they figured the humans are going to
Speaker 1: kill it anyway. The humans are not kind or friendly
Speaker 1: to outsiders.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's fair, but I don't think it's the
Speaker 2: dumb one.
Speaker 1: But okay, we'll talk about it in.
Speaker 2: Dedependance Day was a weird movie that that movie is
Speaker 2: That's where I was like, ooh Inpence Day or the
Speaker 2: day that the Earth stood still.
Speaker 1: Back when, back when Will Smith was still a man.
Speaker 1: And also I thought it was good that they showed
Speaker 1: the reality of it this air, this pilot doing his thing.
Speaker 1: What does he do? He marries a stripper and gets
Speaker 1: her knocked up, obviously, and it's like, well, that's not
Speaker 1: a good look for our military. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: I think they got the source as close to accurate.
Speaker 2: As policy have. They met to a lot of the
Speaker 2: military members.
Speaker 1: And then she's like talking to was it the president
Speaker 1: or some high up person. She's like, oh, I'm a dancer,
Speaker 1: oh like ballet exotic and she's like oh, and you realize,
Speaker 1: like wait, Will Smith married a stripper and had a
Speaker 1: kid with her, and like that's the reality. And it's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that checks out. That's the reason.
Speaker 2: That's the one thing that you pick up from the
Speaker 2: whole movie.
Speaker 1: Besides that, that's the one bit of reality I took
Speaker 1: from the movie. Everything else about the movie is so dumb.
Speaker 2: It it was a weird movie when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the first movie though that I watched that
Speaker 2: I was like m creepy aliens.
Speaker 1: There's so many, but of the whole storyline, that was
Speaker 1: the one bit that like completely, that's not even what
Speaker 1: I remembered. What did you remember?
Speaker 2: I remember?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one liner.
Speaker 2: I remember the Dad's sacrificing himself. Like that's the peak
Speaker 2: moment with the whole movie. I mean, but I love
Speaker 2: Star Wars, Star Trek all the things.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the thing. And Et makes an appearance
Speaker 1: there too. Did you see that that at the Galactic
Speaker 1: Federation where there's a group of Yodas sitting next to
Speaker 1: a group.
Speaker 2: Of Et, Not that I can remember.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna mesh your mind up real quick.
Speaker 2: The side tangent on this episode. I am so sorry
Speaker 2: to your cold members.
Speaker 1: This is the whole point, man, right here. What this
Speaker 1: is them at the big Galactic Federation meeting. And that's
Speaker 1: why in the movie, whenever Et saw Yoda at the
Speaker 1: Halloween thing, he actually recognized him and tried communicating with him.
Speaker 1: It's a part of the verse, it's a part of
Speaker 1: the lore.
Speaker 2: How did I not know that?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm a terrible nerd.
Speaker 1: Great, I don't blame you. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of info to just like take down and know off
Speaker 1: top so I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like go super hard hard into it,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know that. I always wonder why he
Speaker 2: recognized him.
Speaker 1: That's according to the lore, because apparently the ets all
Speaker 1: know each other. They do, they do. And if you
Speaker 1: go to the whole scene where there's like a hundred
Speaker 1: different little sections of these dudes all sitting together, these
Speaker 1: dudes are sitting right next to the yodas.
Speaker 2: Lelo has that too when he goes to space. Yes,
Speaker 2: Lelo is this new kid's move that come out.
Speaker 1: Not Lelelo. You're talking about Lelo and Stitch. You're talking about.
Speaker 2: Lelo is his his name.
Speaker 1: It's not Lelo Leo, No, damn it is.
Speaker 2: There is this new movie that they like. So he
Speaker 2: walks in and he has to convince these people to
Speaker 2: let him join this federation pretty much, and they have
Speaker 2: little pockets of each different grouping or you know, ethnicity
Speaker 2: of aliens, and there's a whole bunch of them all
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 1: Elliot l Oh, Yeah, hello Elio.
Speaker 2: In my mind, I could see the letters.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all joking aside, Disney has been putting out
Speaker 1: some dog shit movies lately. Eloh was good. I liked
Speaker 1: it a lot.
Speaker 2: It was actually good. But they have a lot of
Speaker 2: alien movies that they put out, like a ton of
Speaker 2: alien movies.
Speaker 1: Somos like they know.
Speaker 2: It's almost like they know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, getting back to the square of the
Speaker 1: cube of whatever you want to call it, This object
Speaker 1: remained for approximately forty five seconds before rapidly departing over
Speaker 1: the mountains. Later that evening, additional sightings are reported, including
Speaker 1: instances where the objects exhibited aggressive behaviors by approaching security
Speaker 1: guards at high speeds before darting away. Graves, which is
Speaker 1: the eyewitness we talked about earlier. Here emphasized that such
Speaker 1: unidentified anomalist phenomena UAPs are present in US airspace, but
Speaker 1: are significantly underreported due to the stigma associated with such sightings,
Speaker 1: which he believes poses a challenge to national security, which
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they do or don't. I understand why
Speaker 1: somebody would believe that, though he also wasted that the
Speaker 1: government possesses more information about UAPs than has been publicly disclosed,
Speaker 1: with excessive classification practices keeping crucial information hidden. This testimony
Speaker 1: aligns with broader efforts to encourage transparency and further investigation
Speaker 1: into UAPECE, as evidence by the Department of Wars establishment
Speaker 1: of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I have never heard of that one before, but all
Speaker 1: right to handle UAP reports. The two thousand and three
Speaker 1: Vanderberg incident is not the first of its kind at
Speaker 1: this base. In nineteen sixty four, a test missile was
Speaker 1: poorly destroyed after launch, with claims that a space object
Speaker 1: approached the missile and emitted beams of light at the warhead.
Speaker 1: Such a circle accounts, combined with recent testimonies, highlight a
Speaker 1: pattern of unexplained aerial phenomenon near sensitive military installations, underscoring
Speaker 1: the need for comprehensive investigation and open discourse on the subject. Now,
Speaker 1: I love how they just like glazed over that whole
Speaker 1: thing in sixty four, Like I was like, no big deal,
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: Dude, what like they're just like, yeah, they should shut out,
Speaker 2: you know, and miss a out of this guy. No
Speaker 2: big deal, All right, let's move on, what right? I
Speaker 2: wonder how many how many UFOs are reported globally though, Like,
Speaker 2: is there places for people to report seeing UFO in
Speaker 2: other countries? I actually don't know this there.
Speaker 1: There is, but I'm going to try to say this
Speaker 1: without sounding like a vengeful fucker here. So no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Because we've had beef with MOFON, which is the American
Speaker 1: group that you would report a UFO sighting too. We
Speaker 1: reached out to them. They have state representatives, they have
Speaker 1: a national representative, We have all these things, and we
Speaker 1: have gone out of our way to try to reach
Speaker 1: out to these people to get one of them on
Speaker 1: the show, just to have a conversation about some of
Speaker 1: the things that people report from time to time. Every
Speaker 1: time they have either said that they are too busy
Speaker 1: for us or been just outright rude to us. And granted, yeah,
Speaker 1: at the time when we reached out, we were a
Speaker 1: smaller pod, okay, But then when we did more digging
Speaker 1: into the organization itself, it seems like it's more of
Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme, Like it's a grifter organization that is
Speaker 1: taking people's dollar bills because you have to be a
Speaker 1: member of MUFON, and they take on accepting people's dollar bills,
Speaker 1: and and they're membership fees and all these things to
Speaker 1: enrich the very top select few of them. They're like
Speaker 1: professional UFO researchers quote unquote that never take a call,
Speaker 1: never actually take a report, and their pieces of shit.
Speaker 1: So there, so.
Speaker 2: Those are the people that those are the nation, like
Speaker 2: the global people that you could report to.
Speaker 1: That's America And every country has their own version of this,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they're affiliated, sometimes they're not. It really depends.
Speaker 1: But it's only in the last I would argue decade
Speaker 1: that UFO sightings have been taken with any kind of
Speaker 1: real credibility. That's fair, right, So, like there's been fringe
Speaker 1: groups and online forums where you can post about.
Speaker 2: Your online forums have been around for a long time
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But I was just wondering if
Speaker 2: there's like an actual, you know, country, say the UK,
Speaker 2: for example, do they have a website they could go
Speaker 2: to and be like, hey, I saw this.
Speaker 1: The UK has way more UFO sidings and what people understand, thousands.
Speaker 2: A year, thousands see and I had a feeling they did.
Speaker 2: I feel like other countries would have a ton of
Speaker 2: UFO sidings. I just never hear about them. Well, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I barely ever hear about them.
Speaker 1: So we don't because in America we have so many
Speaker 1: that like what's going on in India right now, what's going
Speaker 1: on in China right now? And you think about this too.
Speaker 1: As far as crash sites go and wreckage recovery goes,
Speaker 1: the larger nation by land mass, not by population. The
Speaker 1: largest by land mass has a higher probability of being
Speaker 1: like a good catch net to have a crash happen.
Speaker 1: And that's the answer reason, Like just looking at the
Speaker 1: acreage alone, the United States has a way higher probability
Speaker 1: of having some sort of a space wreckage take place
Speaker 1: than Peru.
Speaker 2: I wonder how many craws in Africa.
Speaker 1: Now that's the other side, depending on who you ask, Well,
Speaker 1: Africa's got like it was like sixty fifty four countries.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, there's a couple of the disputed,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, there's no way you're gonna get them
Speaker 1: to even come together. They have very few GMOs that
Speaker 1: they can even agree on as far as like the
Speaker 1: Horn of Africa, South Saharan, Central Africa. They have a
Speaker 1: few groups that they can like resonate with to say,
Speaker 1: like for economic reasons, we're gonna fuck with each other.
Speaker 1: But man, as soon as the economic talk goes away,
Speaker 1: the guns come out and yes or.
Speaker 2: Maybe Egypt, you know, like just I'm just kind of
Speaker 2: thinking about different places around the world.
Speaker 1: Just hasn't had as many as you would think.
Speaker 2: It's a weird decided they were fucking done with that place.
Speaker 1: There, or because maybe the Aliens had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with Egypt from.
Speaker 2: The beginning, you think they had nothing to do with
Speaker 2: Egypt at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't say nothing at all. I'm saying that I
Speaker 1: feel like most people are undercutting human ingenuity. The pyramids were.
Speaker 2: Built, they actually had before they got.
Speaker 1: Reset, Okay, and that stands to reason because you know,
Speaker 1: the strongest structure in human existence would be the pyramid.
Speaker 1: And so after global floods and earthquakes and everything else,
Speaker 1: big tall skyscrapers will crumble, that pyramid is going to
Speaker 1: be stadfast, right because it is, in fact, and it's
Speaker 1: going to piss people off. A pyramid is, in fact
Speaker 1: the perfection of what we might colloquially call a pile.
Speaker 1: And so no, no, no, just hear me out.
Speaker 2: Hear me out, you're back on this bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'm not on this bullshit. All I am saying is
Speaker 1: that it stands to reason why if we have usual that.
Speaker 2: They just made that ship up like they're just like boo, like.
Speaker 1: Made up a pyramid. Yeah, you give a three year
Speaker 1: old legos and they will accidentally make a pyramid happen.
Speaker 1: You just go one less on each level, and then
Speaker 1: one less on each level, and then before you know it,
Speaker 1: they have a pyramid. That's not like genius.
Speaker 2: You think that they just animally throughout all the world
Speaker 2: have just decided that they're going to have pyramids.
Speaker 1: Every pyramid looks completely different. And I've seen this image.
Speaker 1: There's like nine different types of pyramids there.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of different types of pyramids. I'll
Speaker 2: give you that.
Speaker 1: And these people like how did they all know how
Speaker 1: to do this? It's like make a pile of rocks
Speaker 1: and then shape it to be smooth on all sides.
Speaker 1: How do they figure that out?
Speaker 2: I just don't like most of us though, when you're
Speaker 2: thinking about how because nowadays we can't even conceptualize this.
Speaker 2: But like before, if you've never seen something, you're a
Speaker 2: lot of times it takes a lot for people to
Speaker 2: even like think up a new idea, right, so for
Speaker 2: them to like think up the levels though, in which
Speaker 2: they built the pyramids, and how they have the tunnels,
Speaker 2: and how they had like collapsing secret passages and where
Speaker 2: they put things and how they did it. I really
Speaker 2: don't believe that they just like Boop thought of it.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't think it just came to this
Speaker 1: dude in a dream by any means. I think it
Speaker 1: was centuries, if not millennius, of trial and error to
Speaker 1: figure out what would be the most structurally sound shape,
Speaker 1: and then they ran with it.
Speaker 2: I think it was Aliens.
Speaker 1: Think about this calculus was invented by staring up at
Speaker 1: the stars.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was Aliens in the sense that
Speaker 2: they built it. I think that somebody something had a
Speaker 2: way of helping hand us. I hear, we had more
Speaker 2: brain power, we had different things that we were introduced
Speaker 2: to at some point. Sure that people were actually talking
Speaker 2: to each other more than what we realized at that point.
Speaker 1: Egypt is a prime example of that, because that was
Speaker 1: the crossroads of all human civilization at that point. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to get to Africa, you wanted to get
Speaker 1: to Europe, you wanted to get to Asia, you had
Speaker 1: to cross through Egypt. So that stands to make perfect
Speaker 1: sense to me. Why they would have the world's best
Speaker 1: engineers and they would have the world's best mathematics, and
Speaker 1: they would have the world's best slaves and all these
Speaker 1: things that would make these things take place. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they didn't have any outside help as far as
Speaker 1: Aliens are concerned. It's very possible stargate, but it's also
Speaker 1: very possible that they just trial and because they're not
Speaker 1: even the ones that came up with the pyramids. Ethiopians
Speaker 1: are the ones that came up with the pyramids, right,
Speaker 1: And so Egypt took that shape and design and said, huh,
Speaker 1: instead of using mud bricks, I wonder if we use
Speaker 1: just rock bricks. And they know where the rocks came
Speaker 1: from because they see the quarry. They know how they
Speaker 1: transported them, because they know that they redirected the Nile
Speaker 1: River to run, and they floated these bricks on giant
Speaker 1: palettes giant barges to get close to the pyramids. They
Speaker 1: know how they lifted them because they understood how physics works.
Speaker 1: The same thing with calculus. Look, that wasn't created, it
Speaker 1: was discovered. It's always been there, but it was discovered
Speaker 1: by two dudes looking up at the stars for long
Speaker 1: enough and doing some math on it. How did they
Speaker 1: figure that out? Did they did the aliens visit them
Speaker 1: to make calculus? No, No, it's just they were looking
Speaker 1: at it at the right time and place and they
Speaker 1: were able to put two and two together. Same thing
Speaker 1: with pyramids, same things with metal urgy, same thing. All
Speaker 1: of these things. I believe human ingenuity, I thinks. And
Speaker 1: the emerald tablets, so historically speaking, there was only one
Speaker 1: emerald tablet that has been used for a lot of
Speaker 1: alchemical and I'm just wondering.
Speaker 2: If there's other things that we just don't know about,
Speaker 2: like that all the libraries that got destroyed, what kind
Speaker 2: of information was in there, what kind of information got
Speaker 2: passed around? I just there's just certain things that I'm
Speaker 2: just like, maybe there's there's a lot more, I feel
Speaker 2: like to the story than what we know.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, but like, for instance, everybody brings
Speaker 1: up the Library of Alexandria, it's like, how much information
Speaker 1: was lost during that fire and all of these things.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the biggest one, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, it's not. I know it's not. But the
Speaker 2: Tibetan one was even bigger.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, and I'll even go there right. There have
Speaker 1: been some libraries that have been destroyed and some information
Speaker 1: that were super suppressed by whatever authoritative power it was
Speaker 1: at the time. And yes, sorry, it wasn't always the Christians. Actually,
Speaker 1: the Romans are the reason why we don't know what
Speaker 1: the Druids were about that had nothing to do with Christianity.
Speaker 1: Ancient rome went to war against the Druids and genocidally
Speaker 1: murdered every druid of the Gaulish and Pagan tribes for
Speaker 1: their own reasons, long before Christianity everything.
Speaker 2: They were ruthless, they were actually tell the reason why?
Speaker 2: Uh did they actually listed out on paper?
Speaker 1: Yes, but there's a lot of cultural biases of the
Speaker 1: day and age that you can't cut through what the
Speaker 1: actual real reason was.
Speaker 2: I always found that to be interesting. I felt like
Speaker 2: they were extremely threatened by them. I feel like they
Speaker 2: had something of ace at their sleeve, and that's why
Speaker 2: they went after them so hard.
Speaker 1: So the druid, to say a druid is like to
Speaker 1: say a educated person. Because of the druid, you had
Speaker 1: those that were political leaders, you had some that were
Speaker 1: medicinal leaders, you had some that were spiritual leaders. Basically
Speaker 1: anybody of the gaul tribes of the Nordic tribes or whatever.
Speaker 1: Once you got to a certain level, you would be
Speaker 1: asked to become a druid. It was a rank. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a tribe, it wasn't a belief system, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a religious system. It was a ranking among your tribe.
Speaker 2: Okay, So like they had like a doctorate pretty much.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Now that could be a doctorate
Speaker 1: in whatever the case would be. But it was somebody
Speaker 1: that you got to a level where they passed down
Speaker 1: the only orally, I might add, because the Druids never
Speaker 1: wrote shit down. They're so smart, they don't write things down,
Speaker 1: and they would pass this down to the next generation
Speaker 1: and then it would progress that way. We only have
Speaker 1: a few scant sources of certain Druidic practices, but we
Speaker 1: have no idea what it was about. For instance, they
Speaker 1: built a scaffold to get up into a tree and
Speaker 1: cut a bit of missletoe out with a golden scythe
Speaker 1: The Druids did this for what purpose? What were they
Speaker 1: doing with the mistletoe? Why did it have to be
Speaker 1: a golden scythe Why didn't they cut the tree down?
Speaker 1: There's so many things. That was a Roman source. By
Speaker 1: the way, not a Christian a Roman source.
Speaker 2: Well, mistletoe will come into play when we talk about
Speaker 2: the mule situation.
Speaker 1: It will, indeed so. But my point is the Druids
Speaker 1: had their beliefs, and a lot of it might be
Speaker 1: akin to Nordic paganism in a way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: But even Nordic paganism, Icelandic is different than Denmark.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they had alchemy to like they knew.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they were a lot more advanced than
Speaker 2: what we know, because they were the scholars of it.
Speaker 2: It could be like the Atlas Shrug movie where they
Speaker 2: took all the scholars and they put them in one area,
Speaker 2: all the really smart people.
Speaker 1: I think that's why the Romans killed them all. They
Speaker 1: weren't trying to exterminate the Gauls. They weren't trying to
Speaker 1: exterminate the Normans. They were trying to exterminate the knowledge
Speaker 1: their leading class.
Speaker 2: I mean, it'd be it would be the best thing
Speaker 2: to do, though, to take away the knowledge, because if
Speaker 2: you take away knowledge, then what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: The people have no choice but to it here because.
Speaker 2: They have no idea what to do. At that point,
Speaker 2: there's no one to teach them. There's no knowledge to learn,
Speaker 2: there's no written thing to learn. So yep, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and that stands stands the reason.
Speaker 1: And that's just my own personal opinion. There have been
Speaker 1: so many scholars that have gone back and forth as
Speaker 1: to the reason for the druid genocide that took place.
Speaker 1: And it's very strange because up until only a few
Speaker 1: centuries ago, people thought the Druids were they're own tribe.
Speaker 1: But the Gauls in France had their druids, the Britannics
Speaker 1: had their druids, the Norwegians had their druids, and they
Speaker 1: all called them by that name. So it's like it
Speaker 1: wasn't just this one group they were after. It was
Speaker 1: like a classification almost.
Speaker 2: Clearly, I'm kidding everyone.
Speaker 1: So now when we're talking about Egypt and all these
Speaker 1: other places, they have some UFO sidings, no doubt, not
Speaker 1: going to say they don't, not to the level in
Speaker 1: scale that America has had. Now again, is that because
Speaker 1: throughout the vast majority of human history, people just didn't
Speaker 1: write it down. And you had this random person in
Speaker 1: this random village in bump fuck nowhere Egypt, actual BFI
Speaker 1: and wouldn't know how to report that to the pharaoh,
Speaker 1: and so it just went unreported throughout the course of
Speaker 1: human history. Very possibly, very possibly, we only know about
Speaker 1: what we have read and reported about. And yes, there
Speaker 1: is certain in Samerian tablets and in hieroglyphics of things
Speaker 1: that look like rockets in Samaria, dudes that look like
Speaker 1: they're wearing breathing apparatus. There's one in Egypt it looks
Speaker 1: like an Apache attack helicopter.
Speaker 2: And then there's the ones in the Mayans that they have,
Speaker 2: and there's ones that are quite a few throughout South
Speaker 2: South America that depict different images.
Speaker 1: So, again, is that something that was seen in a
Speaker 1: psychedelic state when they were fucked up on whatever they're.
Speaker 2: But they've again, if they've never seen it and they've
Speaker 2: never been exposed to it, nine times out of ten
Speaker 2: people just don't magically think of these things. So without
Speaker 2: any kind of conception or context or anything like that,
Speaker 2: you're not going to just create this and put it
Speaker 2: on an image that's going to last throughout time unless
Speaker 2: there was some type of reason. And so what if
Speaker 2: we had we humans were more advanced, or there was
Speaker 2: civilization more advanced around the globe that they saw and
Speaker 2: these things got written down, or i e. There was
Speaker 2: some type of other you know, actually terrestrials living here
Speaker 2: with us, and we got too big for our breeches,
Speaker 2: they gave us too technology or whatever the case. We
Speaker 2: upset the balance of something and then they're like, you
Speaker 2: know what, let's just kind of take this poop back
Speaker 2: from you and let's like, you know, cut this portion
Speaker 2: of your brain off because you guys obviously can't handle
Speaker 2: it right now.
Speaker 1: It's very possible. And I'm not even fully disagreeing with that.
Speaker 1: I am saying it's just.
Speaker 2: A theory that I've thought about through the years. It's
Speaker 2: not even I don't have, like, you know, a million
Speaker 2: sites to back it. It's just something I've kind of
Speaker 2: toyed with when I've listened to a lot of different
Speaker 2: things I don't have. I mean, there's just you never know.
Speaker 2: At this point, I feel like there's just so much
Speaker 2: that we don't know. And then that ties into the
Speaker 2: mud flood that people talk about and ties into you know,
Speaker 2: different different theories. But I just personally think that there's
Speaker 2: no way, just like with dragons or with vampires, we're
Speaker 2: seeing things like this, Like if you haven't seen it
Speaker 2: or been exposed to it. You're not just gonna pop
Speaker 2: something out of your head, especially back then. They're not
Speaker 2: just out here like creating things.
Speaker 1: No, And that's why I believe there's that Colonel Vampire
Speaker 1: is a great example. Right aside from the European narrative
Speaker 1: and Count Dracula and all that, take that away for
Speaker 1: two seconds. Every culture, every tribe throughout the course of
Speaker 1: human history has had some sort of a monster. Nobody's
Speaker 1: ever seen them as a positive thing. Nobody's been like, hey,
Speaker 1: the vampires are here, Yay, the dragons are here. Nobody's
Speaker 1: ever seen them as positive. Right, Well, Southeast Asia thinks
Speaker 1: that better things about dragons. But to hear me out, dragons,
Speaker 1: really they have a kernel of truth to them. M
Speaker 1: So it tells me that there is at least something
Speaker 1: there that we may not recognize by today's standards, but
Speaker 1: they recognize back then. Right. Some people would say that's
Speaker 1: demons making themselves known to everybody around the world. Maybe
Speaker 1: there is some sort of alchemical thing that we're turning
Speaker 1: people into this shape shifters are another great example of this.
Speaker 1: You got the skin walkers of the Navajo and Apache
Speaker 1: tribes versus where wolves of the European tribes. Are we
Speaker 1: talking about the same thing in different terminologies or are
Speaker 1: these very different? Who's to say? Right when it comes
Speaker 1: to aliens ufo UAPs unexplained things in the sky that
Speaker 1: these earlier human civilizations saw and recognized as oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's something. Maybe it's the gods, maybe it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: the evil ones, maybe it's whatever else. I think there's
Speaker 1: some sort of a kernel of truth that connects them all,
Speaker 1: but we don't have the proper context to really call
Speaker 1: it one way or another. As far as the advanced
Speaker 1: civilizations of the Pasco, we and you've done archaeological dig
Speaker 1: sites before there, and I understand that we have not
Speaker 1: excavated the entirety of the earth, so we don't know.
Speaker 1: But as it stands right now, there is almost no
Speaker 1: evidence to say that there was. Like when we say advanced,
Speaker 1: they weren't like dealing with steel beyond a certain point.
Speaker 1: They weren't like making tungsten happen beyond a certain point.
Speaker 1: They weren't dealing with electrical diodes beyond a certain point.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people when they say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Atlantis they had flying crafts and all of
Speaker 1: these things. Whatever. There is not a single archaeological dig
Speaker 1: site anywhere to suggest that anybody was stepping out of
Speaker 1: their bounds as far as technology is concerned, per what
Speaker 1: we have already ascertained.
Speaker 2: I will say a caveat to that is whoever funds
Speaker 2: these things. Sure, people are heavily indyaight, Like hell, I
Speaker 2: have an NDA on me, and it wasn't anything crazy, right,
Speaker 2: So like we and still this it will stand to
Speaker 2: read like until they decide to release me, I still
Speaker 2: have an NDA on me. And so you're talking about
Speaker 2: you have NDAs, you have groups of archie like groups
Speaker 2: of scientists that I work with different companies and they
Speaker 2: do different things, and so they have like specialized groups
Speaker 2: that they trust and use. Sure, so when the bigger
Speaker 2: site are being excavated, they use these certain groups before
Speaker 2: they allow the other ones. And so like for me,
Speaker 2: for example, I am super low on the totem pole
Speaker 2: when it comes to a dig site, Like I'm a
Speaker 2: baby compared to so many others that have like well
Speaker 2: more they have a way more knowledge, way more experience
Speaker 2: were everything than I do. And so like I'm a baby,
Speaker 2: I just come in and I do. I do the
Speaker 2: shit work right compared to people. But even that, everything
Speaker 2: is categorized. But things that are found that potentially have
Speaker 2: need to be put someplace else go to a specialized location.
Speaker 2: They will get taken and they go away. Some of
Speaker 2: it not everyone even sees or even knows about bigger
Speaker 2: dig sites. People know about, but if you're talking about
Speaker 2: a little bitty dig site that is very specialized and
Speaker 2: that they're searching for something, I have a hard time
Speaker 2: believing that we're going to hear about it, especially when
Speaker 2: the Smithsonian has very very very clearly disclosed how much
Speaker 2: they have in volts all around the world. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you're talking about they could have found whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and I killed the people, Uh, you know, made sure that,
Speaker 2: like you're never gonna speak a fucking word of this period,
Speaker 2: erase their mind. Look at Ariana Grande coming out just
Speaker 2: recently and being like, hey, do you remember about this
Speaker 2: like thing that I got my mind to race. It's stupid,
Speaker 2: it's really stupid.
Speaker 1: But because it's her, I'm not saying that there's not
Speaker 1: mind raising technology, but like, come on, it is.
Speaker 2: It is stupid. But saying that publicly, like hey, we
Speaker 2: did you know we can't erase your mind. We know
Speaker 2: that they've worked on all sorts of memories and everything
Speaker 2: like that. We know that they have the AI robot
Speaker 2: that's distracting memories and that's like making actual movies from
Speaker 2: it and stuff like that. So what is it to
Speaker 2: say that there is a specialized team that has gone
Speaker 2: in that has found these things. Then they just quietly
Speaker 2: took them and made sure that nobody hears about them.
Speaker 2: Because at all times there's digs going on globally right
Speaker 2: now that no one even knows about. Most people don't
Speaker 2: know about them them or that they're happening or what
Speaker 2: they're looking for. And a lot of the places have
Speaker 2: tins ub have all these things. They're going to take
Speaker 2: that stuff and they're going to take it wherever they
Speaker 2: need to go, I e. Most likely the Smithsonian and
Speaker 2: wherever else it is.
Speaker 1: And I'm not denying that that's a reality, which is
Speaker 1: why I say, per what we understand, and by we,
Speaker 1: I don't mean academia, I.
Speaker 2: Mean okay, the lady people. Okay, so us peasants.
Speaker 1: Exactly, it's very possible that they have all of this
Speaker 1: information to say that, yo, the Atlanteans. Here's where they lived,
Speaker 1: Here's how they flew around. They had an air dimensional
Speaker 1: shit figured out. It's crazy. There's as of the modern zeitgeist,
Speaker 1: there's no current things that would stand to reason on that.
Speaker 2: There is levels to archaeology as well, so there's different
Speaker 2: levels when you go in, there's different there's three different
Speaker 2: phases as well to a dig. And when they hire
Speaker 2: people in it's they have like different levels of people
Speaker 2: and so the ones that are at the very top
Speaker 2: they find out and they deal with very specialized things
Speaker 2: like you're you're not supposed to touch a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that they've Like if you're unearthing something, they
Speaker 2: will come in and help unearth it, and they will
Speaker 2: be the ones to take it, and they take it
Speaker 2: and go someplace else. Right, So, I personally, just from
Speaker 2: the little knowledge I have, because I'm nowhere near as
Speaker 2: knowledgeable as so many others, I would think that they
Speaker 2: have found things and specifically looked for sites and dug
Speaker 2: them up and have that information to where we don't
Speaker 2: know about it on purpose. It's very possible, because why
Speaker 2: would you want to, like just the giant conversation, Oh hey,
Speaker 2: we have giant heads and we've been destroying them. So
Speaker 2: they've had them, they knew that, they went and found them,
Speaker 2: they dug them up, they took them and put them
Speaker 2: in the vaults with the Smithsonian, and then they've been
Speaker 2: just actively destroying them. How many people have had eyes
Speaker 2: on them, right? How many people have worked with them
Speaker 2: and have not said a word?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very possible. True. Actually, so when we cut too,
Speaker 1: did they have ancient computers or some sort of an
Speaker 1: ancient flying craft or I don't know. Did this come
Speaker 1: from the aliens? Did it come from human ingenuity? And
Speaker 1: we fucked ourselves up so much that we self reset.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Wild, which would be absolutely wild. What if we got
Speaker 2: to the point where we were using so much of it,
Speaker 2: like all the movies that we've seen in all this
Speaker 2: stuff about us having and telepathy and all these different
Speaker 2: powers and all this stuff. What if we got to
Speaker 2: the point where we realized we fucked ourselves and on
Speaker 2: the path that we're on. What if we'll say ten percent,
Speaker 2: we'll say the ten, top ten or whatever, the one
Speaker 2: percenters decided to get together and they're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: we have enough power to reset us. Why don't we
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, what if they're the ones actually running
Speaker 2: the country behind.
Speaker 1: All of this. There's always fares to back that, to
Speaker 1: say that perhaps and maybe it's nuclear, maybe it's something else,
Speaker 1: who knows, But essentially they realize, like, damn, the Earth
Speaker 1: is way too populated and we got to do something
Speaker 1: about this. Let's force a global flood to happen. I
Speaker 1: will respind a narrative or twelve and we'll just like
Speaker 1: make this happen. Or maybe it was the aliens, Maybe
Speaker 1: it was literally humans by not even some malevolent force.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was us fucking around too hard and we
Speaker 1: caused our own demise time and time and time again.
Speaker 2: Splitting the dimensions. What if we accidentally time traveled and
Speaker 2: split dimensions and have alternate universes stuck together that we
Speaker 2: did we created on accident.
Speaker 1: All of these and so many more theories are possible.
Speaker 2: Wild, it's wild to think about. Honestly, I'm sorry that
Speaker 2: we went on this massive tangent we m but it's
Speaker 2: one of those things of I'm new to some of
Speaker 2: this stuff, and so I have knowledge in so many
Speaker 2: different areas, but it's not something I've spent my knowledge base.
Speaker 2: Is I focus on things that I'm really interested in,
Speaker 2: and it happens to be some things I e. A
Speaker 2: ton of UFO and information I don't know what a
Speaker 2: bunch about. So if I asked a lot of dumb questions,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: No, If anything, you're asking questions on behalf of the cult.
Speaker 1: Because not all of our cult listeners have been listening
Speaker 1: for five years and know every single thing that's ever
Speaker 1: been discussed. Some of the listeners are relatively new to
Speaker 1: a lot of these things. So I appreciate the nuanced
Speaker 1: questions that you're asking and also your specific knowledge base
Speaker 1: that you're bringing to the table. So I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I like to ask questions, indeed, which you should. That
Speaker 1: is the whole point of the show, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But anyway, all right, cutting back to the
Speaker 1: UFO situation, let's read into this is it from the
Speaker 1: Independent dot com Big red UFO hovering over Vanderberg In
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, Congressional witness testifies Former Navy pilot
Speaker 1: says unidentified anomalist phenomenon was seen above Air Force Base
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara County. Let's dive in. This is the
Speaker 1: picture of mister Graves right here Old Baldy. We're actually
Speaker 1: gonna watch a video of him speaking on this here
Speaker 1: in a moment. Good cult members. Reports of a huge
Speaker 1: hovering red square above Vanderberg Air Force Base in northern
Speaker 1: Santa Barbara County were shared at a Whole House of
Speaker 1: Representatives panel hearing on Unidentified Flying Objects last Wednesday, July
Speaker 1: twenty sixth. I should also mention, and this is important,
Speaker 1: this article was published in twenty twenty three, So this
Speaker 1: is not like just a few months ago. This is
Speaker 1: two years ago. Because the next article we read is
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty five, No, twenty twenty three. Okay, so November.
Speaker 1: So the first article that we're reading right now is
Speaker 1: from August of twenty twenty three. The next one is
Speaker 1: going to be about the exact same incident in November
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna know why I didn't hear about this,
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, they were.
Speaker 1: They were talking about the alien disclosure for a good mines.
Speaker 1: I remember whenever. Remember, everybody was like COVID was fake.
Speaker 1: We need we need to see the Epstein files, we
Speaker 1: need to see the list, and everybody's like, this is
Speaker 1: the United States government speaking, aliens are real.
Speaker 2: I remember they were really pissed because they were like,
Speaker 2: aliens are real, and everyone's like, cool, dog, I ad
Speaker 2: work Monday, and awesome, great, what are you? What are
Speaker 2: you gonna tell us? Because everything's heavily redacted anyways.
Speaker 1: So so this was a part of that conversation in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three when they were like, by the way,
Speaker 1: here's all these testimonies, the aliens are real, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: cool Epstein files, dog, we want to see flight logs,
Speaker 1: we want to see this. But wait a minute, but
Speaker 1: we're acknowledging aliens and it's like we know, dude, we
Speaker 1: all know. But anyway, we've all known. So but I
Speaker 1: did want to make at least a mention of this.
Speaker 1: In August to twenty twenty three, this first article was written,
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear how that shifted from August to November
Speaker 1: of this same year, talking about the same incident. Oh
Speaker 1: so what they were willing to disclose, and how there
Speaker 1: was like a slow trickle in all these things. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that now here we go. For the
Speaker 1: for the last five years, the United States has been
Speaker 1: slowly leaking bits of information about UFOs, or unidentified anomalous
Speaker 1: phenomenon as they call them. The Indie reported in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen that there has been an overall uptick of interaction
Speaker 1: with aerial phenomena since twenty fourteen. According to a spokesperson
Speaker 1: for Naval Operations, a football field sized flying object at
Speaker 1: Vanderberg was spotted in two thousand and three. According to
Speaker 1: a testimony during the hearing hailed by the House Oversight
Speaker 1: Committee's National Security Subcommittee, a large group and there is
Speaker 1: a direct quote here, A large group of Boeing contractors
Speaker 1: were operating near one of the launch facilities at Vanderberg
Speaker 1: Air Force Base when they observed a very large, one
Speaker 1: hundred yard sighted red square approached the base from the
Speaker 1: ocean and hover at low altitude over one of the
Speaker 1: launch facilities, said Ryan Graves, a former US Navy fighter
Speaker 1: jet pilot and founder of a nonprofit focused on UAP sidings.
Speaker 1: Continuing his quote, this object remained for about forty five
Speaker 1: seconds or so before darting off over the mountains. Graves,
Speaker 1: the executive director for Americans for Safe Aerospace that would
Speaker 1: be the nonprofit he's founded, said the sighting occurred around
Speaker 1: eight forty five a m followed by a second sighting
Speaker 1: only hours later. So keep this in mind too, It's
Speaker 1: not like this was in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: sky and oh, you know, how could they tell the distance?
Speaker 1: And what's in the middle of the morning, eight forty
Speaker 1: five in the morning.
Speaker 2: I like how he saw this and he ended up
Speaker 2: making a nonprofit just to prove his point of like,
Speaker 2: this shit's real.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then there was another sighting hours later.
Speaker 2: That's wild, he said.
Speaker 1: Witnesses provided him with information about the mysterious incidents as
Speaker 1: they had hailed on to quote official documentation and records
Speaker 1: end quote from the event over the years. There's another
Speaker 1: quote from Graves later in the evening post, sunsets now
Speaker 1: it is in the dark. There are reports of other
Speaker 1: sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were
Speaker 1: approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before
Speaker 1: darting off. This Grave saying that as well. The Vanderberg
Speaker 1: Air Force Base renamed the Vanderberg Space Force Base in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. We talked about that is no stranger
Speaker 1: to anomalist phenomenon. In nineteen sixty four, a test missile
Speaker 1: was destroyed shortly after launch at the base. The event
Speaker 1: allegedly confirmed or filmed by Lieutenant Robert Jacobs again keep
Speaker 1: a pin in that name, who in nineteen eighty two
Speaker 1: came forward saying a space odd approached the missile and
Speaker 1: shot a plasma type beam at the dummy warhead from
Speaker 1: four different angles. His superiors had told him to say
Speaker 1: nothing of the sighting. Graves one of three former military
Speaker 1: members to testify at the July twenty sixth hearing. Base
Speaker 1: his discussion around three critical issues, including claims that the
Speaker 1: UAPs are in our airspace but are grossly underreported. Stigma
Speaker 1: around UAPs is powerful and challenges national security, and the
Speaker 1: government knows more about UAPs than shared publicly, and excessive
Speaker 1: classification practices keep crucial information hidden. I would have to
Speaker 1: agree with all those statements for the record. The alleged
Speaker 1: sighting of a giant flying red square raises eyebrows. The
Speaker 1: credibility is questionable. How did others miss it? Nevertheless, reports
Speaker 1: of odd sightings are becoming more public and are being
Speaker 1: treated more seriously by government officials on both sides of
Speaker 1: the political spectrum as well they should. Last year, the
Speaker 1: Department of Defense created the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office,
Speaker 1: the aa ro O for handling UAP reports. The US
Speaker 1: intelligence community said earlier this year that UFO reporting by
Speaker 1: US military personnel is increasing, but government officials have emphasized
Speaker 1: that only a small percentage of those reports could be
Speaker 1: described as anomalous. Quote unquote, I mean fair.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that they created a resolution office
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are the things that happened quietly. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna like take the Men in Black Office basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much what it is, which if you want to
Speaker 1: go that route, we could do a whole episode on
Speaker 1: the actual Men in Black Office. It was the NAA
Speaker 1: RO I'm trying to remember the acronym, but essentially it
Speaker 1: was created after Roswell.
Speaker 2: But they had a real office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like an actual government agency, getting millions and millions
Speaker 1: of taxpayer dollars every year to go out and take samples,
Speaker 1: collect statements, talk to the civilians who saw some things
Speaker 1: that they said, No, the fuck you didn't right, you
Speaker 1: didn't you? I didn't see that.
Speaker 2: I didn't see nothing, so nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the actual acronym. We could do
Speaker 1: a whole episode on that. Actually, it's very fascinating.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was a real thing.
Speaker 1: Oh. During the Cold War, the government was willing to
Speaker 1: throw money at anything that sounded a little too crazy. So,
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I have a YouTube video
Speaker 1: pulled up of Ryan Graves on c SPAN speaking to
Speaker 1: Congress on behalf of all the crazy things that he saw,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it'll come a lot better from
Speaker 1: his mouth rather than us reading it on an article. So,
Speaker 1: you know what, I am going to share the screen
Speaker 1: at this time and we're just going to hear together,
Speaker 1: good cult members, we'll see what the truth of the
Speaker 1: matter is.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Chairman Grothlin, ranking Member Garcia, distinguished members of
Speaker 7: the House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, Representatives Burchett and Luna.
Speaker 7: My name is Ryan Fobbs Graves, and I'm a form
Speaker 7: FA teen pilot with a decade of service in the
Speaker 7: US Navy, including two deployments in Operation and During Freedom
Speaker 7: and Operation Inherent Resolve. I have experience advanced UAP firsthand,
Speaker 7: and I'm here to voice to concern to more than
Speaker 7: thirty commercial aircrew and military veterans who have confided their
Speaker 7: similar encounters with me. Today, I would like to highlight
Speaker 7: three critical issues that demand our action as we convene here.
Speaker 7: UAP are in our airspace, but they are grossly underreported.
Speaker 7: These sightings are not rare or isolated. They are routine.
Speaker 7: Military aircrew and commercial pilots, trained observers whose lives depend
Speaker 7: on accurate identification are frequently witnessing these phenomena. The stigma
Speaker 7: attached to UAP is real and powerful and challenges national security.
Speaker 7: It silences commercial pilots who fear professional repercussions, discourages witnesses.
Speaker 7: It is only compounded by recent government claims questioning the
Speaker 7: credibility of eyewitness testimony. Parts of our government are aware
Speaker 7: of more about UAP than they let on, but excessive
Speaker 7: classification practices keep crucial information hidden. Since twenty twenty one,
Speaker 7: all UAP videos are classified as secret or above. This
Speaker 7: level of secrecy not only impedes our understanding, but fuel
Speaker 7: speculation and mistrust. In five fourteen, I was an F
Speaker 7: eighteen Fox Trot pilot in the Navy Fighter Attacks Squadron eleven,
Speaker 7: the Red Rippers, and I was stationed at nas Oceania
Speaker 7: in Virginia Beach. After upgrades were made to our jets
Speaker 7: radar systems, we began detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace.
Speaker 7: At first, we assumed they were radar errors, but soon
Speaker 7: we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple on
Speaker 7: board sensors, including infrared systems, eventually through visual ID. During
Speaker 7: a training mission in Warning Area Whiskey seventy two, ten
Speaker 7: miles off the coast of Virginia Beach, two f eighteen
Speaker 7: super hornets were split by a UAP. The object, described
Speaker 7: as a dark gray or a black cube inside of
Speaker 7: a clear sphere, came within fifty feet of the lead
Speaker 7: aircraft and was estimated to be five to fifteen feet
Speaker 7: in diameter. The mission commander terminated the flight immediately and
Speaker 7: returned base. Our squadron submitted a safety port, but there
Speaker 7: was no official acknowledgment of the incident and no further
Speaker 7: mechanism to report the sightings. Soon, these encounters became so
Speaker 7: frequent that aircrew would discuss the risk of UAP as
Speaker 7: part of the regular preflight briefs. Recognizing the need for
Speaker 7: action and answers, I founded Americans for Safe Aerospace. The
Speaker 7: organization has since become a haven for UAP witnesses who
Speaker 7: are previously unspoken due to the absence of a safe
Speaker 7: intake process. More than thirty witnesses have come forward and
Speaker 7: almost five thousand Americans have joined us in the fight
Speaker 7: for transparency as Safe Aerospace dot org. The majority of
Speaker 7: witnesses are commercial pilots at majority major airlines. Often they
Speaker 7: are veterans with decades of flying experience. Pilots are reporting
Speaker 7: uapat altitudes that appear above them at forty thousand feet
Speaker 7: potentially in low earth orbit or in the gray zone
Speaker 7: below the Carmon line, making inexplainable maneuvers like right hand
Speaker 7: turns and retrograde orbits or jayhooks. Sometimes these reports are reoccurring,
Speaker 7: with numerous recent sightings north of Way and in the
Speaker 7: North Atlantic. Other veterans are also coming forward to us
Speaker 7: regarding UAP encounters in our airspace and oceans. The most
Speaker 7: compelling involved observations of UAP by multiple witnesses and sensor systems.
Speaker 7: I believe these accounts are only scratching the surface and more.
Speaker 7: We'll share their experiences once it is safe to do so.
Speaker 7: In closing, I recognize the skepticism surrounding this topic. If
Speaker 7: everyone could see the censor and video data eyewitnessed, our
Speaker 7: national conversation would change. I urge us to put a
Speaker 7: size stigma and address the security and safety issue this
Speaker 7: topic represents. If UPR foreign drones is an urgent national
Speaker 7: security problem, if it is something else, is an issue
Speaker 7: for science. In either case, unidentified objects are concerned for
Speaker 7: flight safety. The American people deserve to know what is
Speaker 7: happening in our skies. It is long overdue, thank.
Speaker 1: You, all right. So from his own emission, as we
Speaker 1: just heard, and I wish that we could play the
Speaker 1: video from this from the Independent, but every time we
Speaker 1: try playing it, AD pops up and then the video
Speaker 1: goes crazy. But essentially he brings up what took place
Speaker 1: at the Space for Space right, and he's saying, I
Speaker 1: mean that, Yeah, this absolutely took place. I was there,
Speaker 1: I saw it. As you just heard him say, he
Speaker 1: was stationed in Virginia at the first time that he
Speaker 1: ever himself witnessed some sort of a UAP kind of
Speaker 1: conversation the giant flying red square over Vanderberg. He was
Speaker 1: on base at that time as well, because what he
Speaker 1: was almost twenty twelve in Virginia twenty twenty three or
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, two thousand and three, he was at a
Speaker 1: different location, okay. And so again this was around the
Speaker 1: time when people were starting to finally feel comfortable enough
Speaker 1: to come out and talk about it. And this was
Speaker 1: in a David Grush type who never saw anything himself,
Speaker 1: but the DoD gave him the green light to talk
Speaker 1: about these things. Third person, this was witness, yeah, which
Speaker 1: I can't stand it. Honestly. I don't dislike David Grush,
Speaker 1: just so everybody's clear, I know I shit on him
Speaker 1: a good bit. I don't dislike him as a person.
Speaker 1: I don't take anything he says as factual because again
Speaker 1: he got his gript made for him by the DoD
Speaker 1: and then came forward after they told him he could.
Speaker 1: That's all plant exactly. That's all I've been saying. He
Speaker 1: is a plant, which is fine, but also you know,
Speaker 1: you need to take that with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying anyway. So continuing on with this
Speaker 1: article here, a former US Air Force security officer had
Speaker 1: spoken publicly for the first time about UFO sidings in
Speaker 1: California twenty years ago. Again, this article was written in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. In October two thousand and three, military
Speaker 1: contractors worked for Bowing Air Force police witnessed an unidentified
Speaker 1: flying object or UFO, described as a gigantic floating red square,
Speaker 1: flying over an air base in California. The object was
Speaker 1: over one hundred yards long and was allegedly seen hovering
Speaker 1: over a launch site in Vanderberg Air Force Base, which
Speaker 1: is leased today by Elon Musk's SpaceX. No shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: remember they said that it's like the premier spot to
Speaker 1: do launches and testing for both military and civilian.
Speaker 2: It was like what ninety nine thousand, six hundred and
Speaker 2: four sauce square acres or something like that. So they
Speaker 2: have seen amount of acreage sixteen launchpads or launch sites.
Speaker 1: So the Space Force base is currently being leased by Elon, so.
Speaker 2: Sure one of those things that's not suspicious.
Speaker 1: The incident was not spoken about publicly for two decades,
Speaker 1: but recently came to light during a sworn testimony given
Speaker 1: by before Congress by Lieutenant Ryan Graves, who we just
Speaker 1: talked about now. In ex United States Air Force Senior
Speaker 1: Patrolman Jeff Nucatelli, I hope I pronounced that right, If not, sorry, dude, Italians,
Speaker 1: one of those languages has come forward to shed further
Speaker 1: light on the eerie events. This is not a joke,
Speaker 1: he told Merged podcasts on Tuesday. There are contractors with
Speaker 1: top secret clearances, he said, emphasizing credibility of witnesses to
Speaker 1: the alleged sighting. These guys are trained observers. They're posting
Speaker 1: out there. You know twenty four to seven that I
Speaker 1: know what aircraft look like. They know what fishing boats
Speaker 1: look like. Mister Nucatelli also revealed a second reported encounter
Speaker 1: with a red square in which two of his fellow
Speaker 1: US Air Force Police Patrol officers got buzzed by the UFO.
Speaker 1: He recalled the events on the day in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, saying that he was getting ready to jump
Speaker 1: in the car when all hell broke loose and they
Speaker 1: start screaming over the radio. It's coming right at us,
Speaker 1: It's coming right for us. Now it's here. It was
Speaker 1: hard to hear because they were screaming and they were scared.
Speaker 1: The former patrol officer said, this is him, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna hear a direct testimony from him here next. This
Speaker 1: is all playing out on the radio and the dispatchers
Speaker 1: are communicating with them, trying to get more information. He said,
Speaker 1: it's just chaos. You know, the dispatchers are basically advising
Speaker 1: everybody to go on alert trying to get information, which
Speaker 1: I could agree with that if you're the dispatcher and
Speaker 1: these are all MPs us Air Force MPs and out
Speaker 1: of nowhere you got multiple police or MPs screaming into
Speaker 1: the radio that they're seeing some shit. This dispatch is
Speaker 1: just kind of like attention to all units, everybody on
Speaker 1: high alert? What are you looking at here?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: I get it. This is direct quote from him, went
Speaker 1: what the help, dude? They have so many.
Speaker 2: Ads, so many ads in this thing.
Speaker 1: When I showed up, it's just mayhem. Everybody's excited, they're scared,
Speaker 1: everyone's freaked out. He added, he said things calm down
Speaker 1: at the scene when the object flew off. Well, obviously so.
Speaker 1: He told the Merged podcast, which hosted which is hosted
Speaker 1: by Lieutenant Ryan Graves, that he interviewed about six people
Speaker 1: who witnessed the event following the alleged sighting. Basically, what
Speaker 1: they described was that the object came in was moving
Speaker 1: strangely erratically. It got bigger and brighter as it came in.
Speaker 1: Then it came at high rate of speed and flew
Speaker 1: right over the entry control point and stopped and they
Speaker 1: all stared at it, and it just shot off. According
Speaker 1: to mister Knucatelly, this sighting was preceded by a separate
Speaker 1: sighting earlier in the day, after which three Boeing contractors
Speaker 1: signed Swarren's statements that they saw the UFO. The UFO
Speaker 1: is described by mister Duck Cattelly as basically just a
Speaker 1: big square object the size of a football field, silently
Speaker 1: floating over the launchpad, red in color and glowing. As
Speaker 1: far as I know, it wasn't a cube. It was
Speaker 1: like a flattened square. He added. He believes that at
Speaker 1: least eighty people are aware of the alleged sighting, and
Speaker 1: he has delivered what he knows to the Pentagon's All
Speaker 1: Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or ARROW that we talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: His next steps, he told Lieutenant Graves, are to assist
Speaker 1: ARROW in locating more witnesses to the two fourteenth of
Speaker 1: October two thousand and three sightings. There was two of them.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to do now is track down all
Speaker 1: the people, the ex US Air Force Police officer said,
Speaker 1: because my recollection of who was there and all the
Speaker 1: participator excuse me. All the particulars and the details are flawed, right,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't there when these things happened. It's all secondhand.
Speaker 1: Mister Ducklettelly added, the Heat thinks investigators have taken great
Speaker 1: interest in the alleged sightings. Investigators a contact and me
Speaker 1: spent a tremendous amount of time talking to me, over
Speaker 1: an hour. For sure, I felt that they were genuinely,
Speaker 1: genuinely interested in the case and genuinely interested in looking
Speaker 1: into it. I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Should hope three genuinelyies right right.
Speaker 1: Hundreds of UFO sightings have been reported in the United
Speaker 1: States in recent months, a senior Pentagon official told CNN
Speaker 1: in October. Sean Kirkpatrick, the director of the Pentagon office
Speaker 1: established to investigate potential UFO sightings, said that his office
Speaker 1: received approximately eight hundred reports of unidentified objects as of
Speaker 1: this past April, up from six to fifty reports in
Speaker 1: August of twenty twenty two, so they were definitely on
Speaker 1: the increase. Mister Kirkpatrick added that there is potential for hundreds,
Speaker 1: if not thousands, of more reports in the future. Public
Speaker 1: interest in UFO is growing rapidly. A July hearing in
Speaker 1: Congress on the matter drew significant attention from the public
Speaker 1: after veteran and former members of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,
Speaker 1: David Grush, which literally just talked about him, testified during
Speaker 1: a Congression with hearing that the US government is in
Speaker 1: possession of intact craft of non human origin from UAP
Speaker 1: crash sites. Meanwhile, public interest in UFOs has stirred up
Speaker 1: again in September when self described UFO expert Jamie Mousane,
Speaker 1: which people have opinions on that we're not getting into that,
Speaker 1: testified in front of the Mexican Congress that he had
Speaker 1: discovered two non human corpses that are not part of
Speaker 1: our terrestrial evolution. So the if you're wondering, this is
Speaker 1: one of them. This is an alleged alien mummy that's
Speaker 1: two foot tall, and he's saying that he's in possession
Speaker 1: of these. But this guy has been caught in multiple
Speaker 1: hoaxes in the past. So that's and that's you know,
Speaker 1: take that with whatever grant assault you need anyway. All right,
Speaker 1: So moving on to the next course of action here.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna hear from the US Air Force MP
Speaker 1: who came to Congress to testify on behalf of his
Speaker 1: site of what he saw the day in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three.
Speaker 8: Good morning, Thank you Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and
Speaker 8: members of the task Force for giving us the opportunity
Speaker 8: to testify today. My name is Jeffrey Neussatelli. I'm a
Speaker 8: former military police officer with sixteen years of active duty
Speaker 8: service in the US Air Force. I'm here today because
Speaker 8: the American people have both the right and the responsibility
Speaker 8: to know the truth about unidentified aerial phenomenon. That truth
Speaker 8: remains hidden, classified, and silenced by fear, retaliation, stigma, and confusion.
Speaker 8: Today we are here to help break that silence. Between
Speaker 8: two thousand and three and two thousand and five, five
Speaker 8: UAP incidents occurred at Vanderberg Air Force Base, home to
Speaker 8: the National Missile Defense Project, a top national security priority
Speaker 8: at the time. We were conducting launches deemed by the
Speaker 8: National Reconnaissance off as the most important in twenty five years.
Speaker 8: These were historic launches. These facilities were vital, and they
Speaker 8: were repeatedly visited by UAP. Each incident was witnessed by
Speaker 8: multiple personnel, documented, investigated, and reported up the chain of command.
Speaker 8: We sent information up, but we got no guidance down
Speaker 8: on how to handle these events. I personally witnessed one
Speaker 8: of these events and investigated others as they occurred. Six
Speaker 8: other service members have provided me with the information that
Speaker 8: I will share with you today. The incursions began on
Speaker 8: October fourteenth, two thousand and three, when Boeing contractors reported
Speaker 8: a massive, glowing red square silently hovering over two missile
Speaker 8: defense sites. After several minutes, it drifted further east onto
Speaker 8: the base and vanished over the hills. This event, now
Speaker 8: known as the Vanderberg Red Square, was referenced by Representative
Speaker 8: Luna at the first hearing on this topic. Official Air
Speaker 8: Force records of this event are in possession by ARROW
Speaker 8: and the FBI. Later that night, while I was on duty,
Speaker 8: security guards at a critical launch site reported a bright,
Speaker 8: fast moving object over the ocean. I responded to the incident.
Speaker 8: Chaos ensued over the radio as the object approached rapidly.
Speaker 8: I heard my friends screaming, it's coming right at us,
Speaker 8: It's coming right for us, and now it's right here.
Speaker 8: Moments later, I heard them say that it had shot
Speaker 8: off and was gone. When I arrived on scene, I
Speaker 8: talked to five shaken witnesses who described a massive triangular
Speaker 8: craft larger than a football field that hovered silently for
Speaker 8: about forty five seconds over their enter control point before
Speaker 8: shooting away at impossible speed. About a week later, another
Speaker 8: patrol reported a light over the ocean behaving erratically. Believing
Speaker 8: it might be an unannounced aircraft, they declared an emergency
Speaker 8: and an armed response force responded. Before the forces could arrive,
Speaker 8: the object descended and either landed or hovered on our
Speaker 8: flight line, and then took off again at impossible speed.
Speaker 8: The witnesses to this event were threatened and intimidated. Afterward,
Speaker 8: they were told to keep quiet and think about what
Speaker 8: they were reporting. After that, things did get quiet until
Speaker 8: about two thousand and five, when another patrol reported a
Speaker 8: massive triangular craft larger than a C one point thirty
Speaker 8: silently floating over the installation. He watched it for a
Speaker 8: few minutes, it traveled west and disappeared into the night.
Speaker 8: And then I had my own encounter again. In two
Speaker 8: thousand and five. I was off duty, sitting in my
Speaker 8: backyard with two other police officers when we noticed what
Speaker 8: first appeared to be a satellite in orbit, but it
Speaker 8: wasn't acting like a satellite. The light was strange. It
Speaker 8: was pulsing, and then it started to maneuver. It dropped
Speaker 8: in elevation. At times it would vanish from view and
Speaker 8: reappear in a different location in the sky. And eventually
Speaker 8: it reappeared two hundred feet over my house. It was
Speaker 8: a thirty foot diameter sphere of light. My friends and
Speaker 8: I watched it for a moment, and then it gently
Speaker 8: accelerated and traveled up and disappeared into the stars. These
Speaker 8: events profoundly changed my life and the lives of my friends.
Speaker 8: We stand at a pivotal moment in history. The question
Speaker 8: is no longer whether these events are real, but whether
Speaker 8: we have the courage to face them. True leadership requires vision,
Speaker 8: a willingness to confront the unknown with transparency and resolve.
Speaker 8: So I asked the Congress to help we the people,
Speaker 8: enact this vision. There are three goals. Fund independent research
Speaker 8: and treat UAP study with the same seriousness as we
Speaker 8: would any other scientific feel. Two end secrecy and overclassification.
Speaker 8: Transparency is the foundation of truth. Without it, witnesses like
Speaker 8: us are dismissed.
Speaker 1: Three.
Speaker 8: Protect the witnesses. Many stay silent out of fear for
Speaker 8: their careers. Reputations and the safety of their families. Protect them,
Speaker 8: and you will embolden others to join this cause. These
Speaker 8: phenomenon challenge are deepest assumptions about reality, consciousness, and our
Speaker 8: place in the universe. Exploring them can unlock transformative breakthroughs
Speaker 8: in technology, biology, and human understanding. Let this be the
Speaker 8: moment when America chooses courage over fear, transparency over secrecy,
Speaker 8: and progress over stagnation. Let's show the world that our
Speaker 8: nation leads not only through strength, but through fearless pursuit
Speaker 8: of the truth.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that was from mister Knukatelly himself. And now
Speaker 1: you understand what I mean with the fact that like
Speaker 1: this is eyewitnesses. And again the first that we heard
Speaker 1: was from July of twenty twenty three. This is in
Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty five. They're still talking about the
Speaker 1: same instance of the glowing red cube that flew over Vanderberg.
Speaker 2: Two years, two years later, two solid years of them
Speaker 2: talking about it, and it still isn't really being confirmed
Speaker 2: or at least you know, mainstream media.
Speaker 1: Right right now again, eyewitness accounts, verified sources, government cover
Speaker 1: up as far as the events in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: But now we are going to discuss the situation of
Speaker 1: what happened in nineteen sixty four with this nuclear test
Speaker 1: that took place and this flying sauce that shot beams
Speaker 1: of light at it and destroyed it.
Speaker 2: Wit is that the video?
Speaker 1: No, No, this is a CGI.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's like a CGHI like a weird no,
Speaker 2: But we.
Speaker 1: Still don't have the video footage of it. This is
Speaker 1: the guy who was taking the footage who the Air
Speaker 1: Force said never existed.
Speaker 2: He just never existed. You told me the brief overview
Speaker 2: before we started, which is a wild story. I don't
Speaker 2: know if does it go into it in this.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yes, okay, because this article goes into it.
Speaker 1: And then so does this YouTube video where the man,
Speaker 1: the myth, the legend himself speaks on behalf of it.
Speaker 1: And he'll even show you sections in the video of
Speaker 1: the launch day where he's there in uniform with his rank.
Speaker 1: And then they said, you never exit, you weren't even
Speaker 1: in the Air Force. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And he's like, bro, I have the footage, So all right,
Speaker 1: let's dive in here. This is from the sun close encounter.
Speaker 1: I saw UFO firing four beams of light at a
Speaker 1: nuke missile we launched from secret airbase, says air Force lieutenant.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it here. A former Air Force chief
Speaker 1: claimed today how he saw UFO firing four beams of
Speaker 1: light at a nuclear missile undergoing testing X. US Air
Speaker 1: Force Lieutenant or first Lieutenant Robert Jacobs remembers had to
Speaker 1: put a pin in that name for later. Now is
Speaker 1: later alleged a craft resembling a flying saucer circled the
Speaker 1: dummy warhead during a test flight in California during nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty four. So this is him today or you know
Speaker 1: when this article was written anyways, as an older gentleman
Speaker 1: these days. But despite his claims of what he saw,
Speaker 1: the former serviceman was ordered to never breathe a word
Speaker 1: of what he saw. A bombshell press conference heard along
Speaker 1: with other former American Air Force chiefs, doctor Jacobs was
Speaker 1: given evidence about how aliens tamperable with weapons systems during
Speaker 1: tests at nuclear basis and even shut the missiles down.
Speaker 1: Giving his testimony at the National Press Club in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. He says, quote, I was part of a
Speaker 1: US Air Force cover up. It was shaped like a
Speaker 1: flying saucer and firing a beam of light at our warhead.
Speaker 1: On September fourteenth, nineteen sixty four, he was in charge
Speaker 1: of a one hundred man unit. Jacobs had been dispatched
Speaker 1: to the Big Sur in California two photograph with high
Speaker 1: speed instrumentation at Atlas D missile launch from Vanderberg and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Big Sur here in a moment.
Speaker 1: It's a hilltop where his camera was set up. This
Speaker 1: is because all three stages of the rocket's powered flight
Speaker 1: were to be observed, including the separation of a dummy
Speaker 1: warhead on the edge of space. But the next day,
Speaker 1: doctor Jacobs, now a professor at Bradley University, said he
Speaker 1: was called into the office of Major Florin's J. Mansman,
Speaker 1: Man's man, where three people in gray suits were standing,
Speaker 1: whom he later claimed were CIA. He said, Major Mansman said, Lieutenant,
Speaker 1: sit down and watch this. He turned the projector on
Speaker 1: and the most amazing thing happened. Doctor Jacobs continued. We
Speaker 1: could see the bottom three stages of that rocket filling
Speaker 1: the frame from one hundred and sixty miles away. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. The clarity was beautiful, and we watched it
Speaker 1: go through all three stages of powered flight. The nose
Speaker 1: cone opened up and radar chaff aluminum oil spread out.
Speaker 1: We were testing to see if we could launch a
Speaker 1: nuclear warhead into orbit slightly above the nuclear chaff, so
Speaker 1: the Russians would aim their anti air missiles at the chaff,
Speaker 1: and our little warhead would fly over and obliterate Moscow.
Speaker 1: That was the game we were playing. Horrifying to think
Speaker 1: about it in retrospect. Again. They were trying to tell
Speaker 1: him that he didn't exist. This is him on the
Speaker 1: day in his Air Force uniform.
Speaker 2: So I love Heather. It's just like you didn't actually
Speaker 2: do what you did and everything in his illusion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. This is the camera that they were
Speaker 1: using to film the UFO at the edge of orbit.
Speaker 2: That's crazy to me that they have. They had that
Speaker 2: technology back then and they're able to capture something going
Speaker 2: that quickly back then versus what they even could have now.
Speaker 2: I mean, but you look at the space photos and
Speaker 2: imaging imagery from all the way out where, God, what
Speaker 2: is that damn little Rover's name not the one I'm
Speaker 2: talking about, the one that's like way way way way
Speaker 2: out there. I forget what it is. But you see
Speaker 2: some of the.
Speaker 1: Pictures you talk about in the El EO movie.
Speaker 2: It's wild, like what they can actually see and the
Speaker 2: amount of technology they have now agreed.
Speaker 1: So continuing on, it says, but suddenly, from in the frame,
Speaker 1: he claims he saw an object following the test missile,
Speaker 1: which was traveling at eight thousand miles per hour.
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, it's a roadrunner beebeep, so.
Speaker 1: Basically, and we're talking about a missile going that fast,
Speaker 1: and some sort of a craft was keeping up with
Speaker 1: it neck and neck and following it.
Speaker 2: It just like slowed itself down just to hang out
Speaker 2: and like, what is this thing?
Speaker 1: Essentially, the UFO was said to have had honed in
Speaker 1: and fired four beams at the warhead. Doctor Jacob said,
Speaker 1: then it flew out a frame the same way it
Speaker 1: had come in. At that point, the warhead tumbled out
Speaker 1: of space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't even explode. It just they like a shot.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a live warhead. They were testing the rock
Speaker 1: to see if it was capable of doing this. But
Speaker 1: then once it got hit with these beams of light,
Speaker 1: the warhead basically just said wamp wamp and fell hmmm,
Speaker 1: So it didn't even hover like they were hoping it
Speaker 1: wouldn't go into lower Earth or any of that. It
Speaker 1: just fell out of the sky.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The light came on and Major Manasman and the two
Speaker 1: guys in gray suits looked at me, and the major said,
Speaker 1: were you guys screwing around up there the camera site?
Speaker 1: I said, no, sir, and he said what was that?
Speaker 1: And it said, I said, it looks to me like
Speaker 1: we have a UFO. But he was baffled, Young lieutenant
Speaker 1: ordered to belt up or else, Doctor Jacob said. He
Speaker 1: escorted me to his door and said, I don't need
Speaker 1: to remind you of the seriousness of the security breach.
Speaker 1: I said, no, sir, But as I left, he leaned
Speaker 1: over to speak in my ear, as if to say
Speaker 1: something that the guys and suits couldn't hear. He said, Lieutenant,
Speaker 1: if you were ever tortured in the future, somebody has
Speaker 1: you up against the wall and they're frying your privates
Speaker 1: with fire, you can tell them this it was laser tracking.
Speaker 1: So basically he's told, not only are you never going
Speaker 1: to speak of this, but if somebody is like torturing
Speaker 1: you tell them it was just a laser tracker that
Speaker 1: we had on the device.
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's not threatening at all or anything.
Speaker 1: And this is the best part. We never had laser
Speaker 1: tracking in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2: Oh so he admitted today knowing to having advanced technology
Speaker 2: quote unquote for that time period.
Speaker 1: Right, he's telling this guy, if they ever ask you
Speaker 1: to tell it was laser tracking. This dude's like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is laser tracking?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Like, what is that? And old boys this like you'll
Speaker 2: be all right.
Speaker 1: Right, he added, What we are here today to tell
Speaker 1: you is that this is real, the event that is
Speaker 1: the most important event in history of mankind. We are
Speaker 1: not alone and this is the man's mean guy on
Speaker 1: screen right now, which we're not sharing the screen at
Speaker 1: this moment, which you know it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Four former US Air Force captains will speak about worrying
Speaker 1: incidents going back several decades and show declassified government documents.
Speaker 1: They are calling for the US Congress to investigate and
Speaker 1: hold public hearings into reports that UFOs have disabled nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: Former Air Force officer Robert Sallas was the on duty
Speaker 1: commander of an underground launch control facility assigned to Malmstrom
Speaker 1: Air Force Base, Montana. This is in nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 1: He claims all ten of his intercontinental ballistic missiles became inoperable.
Speaker 1: Sallas added that eight days earlier, on March sixteenth, nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven, a similar incident occurred at another missile launch
Speaker 1: control facility. Yeah, they're basically newtering the nukes. Speaking to
Speaker 1: the Sun Online, he said he was hopeful that the
Speaker 1: following the press conference that the US Air Force would
Speaker 1: finally break its silence about UFOs. So basically that's the
Speaker 1: end of this article as far as the pertinent information goes.
Speaker 1: But now, good cult members, we are going to go
Speaker 1: ahead and play this next clip. This is the man,
Speaker 1: the myth, the legend himself speaking about what he saw
Speaker 1: that many years ago in sixty four. This out.
Speaker 5: The United States government will neither confirm nor deny the
Speaker 5: existence of uf foes, but unofficially a stream of retired
Speaker 5: military personnel and not coming forward with critical information about
Speaker 5: unidentified craft they encountered in the line of duty. Among
Speaker 5: them Robert Jacobs, a former Air Force cameraman who believes
Speaker 5: that there is film out there somewhere that proves that
Speaker 5: the government knows more than they are willing to tell.
Speaker 9: We just come out of the most destructive war on
Speaker 9: the face of the planet, World War II, fifty million dead.
Speaker 9: We had just barely gotten beyond that, and suddenly, according
Speaker 9: to documents, there were mysterious objects maneuvering in American airspace.
Speaker 5: UFL researcher and lecturer Robert Hastings, who spent twenty two
Speaker 5: years studying the United States interest in and reaction to
Speaker 5: reports of UFOs. Hastings has concluded that not only is
Speaker 5: the government fooling the ABOTA in the public, they've been
Speaker 5: fooling themselves.
Speaker 9: I think it's not a coincidence that the phenomenon has
Speaker 9: accelerated its activity precisely at a time in human history
Speaker 9: when we've acquired nuclear weapons. I have interviewed twenty one
Speaker 9: former and retired Air Force personnel associated with nuclear missile
Speaker 9: squadrons who have referred to incidents involving the presence of
Speaker 9: flying saucers.
Speaker 5: That theory is based in point on the personal experiences
Speaker 5: of Robert Jacobs, a former Air Force lieutenant.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty four, Lieutenant.
Speaker 5: Jacobs claims he sat in a room at Vandenberg Air
Speaker 5: Force Base and saw a UFO that haunts him to
Speaker 5: this day.
Speaker 10: Hairs going up on the back of my neck right
Speaker 10: now thinking about it, just remembering that day I saw
Speaker 10: something that was so strange that it changed my life,
Speaker 10: changed the way I believe about the universe and my
Speaker 10: place in it and our place in it.
Speaker 5: In nineteen sixty four, Lieutenant Robert Jacobs wationed at Vandenberg
Speaker 5: Air Force Base, California. He was in charge of a
Speaker 5: special photographic unit filming test flights of Actless and minic
Speaker 5: Mad missiles, both nuclear weapon delivery systems.
Speaker 10: When you launched a piece of equipment that costs four
Speaker 10: or five million dollars just for the piece of equipment
Speaker 10: and it blows up three hundred yards out of the hole,
Speaker 10: we want to know first of all, why.
Speaker 3: Did it blow up?
Speaker 10: So my job was to provide photographic documentation from thirty
Speaker 10: or forty different camera positions for each launch.
Speaker 5: In November of nineteen sixty four, Jacobs was assigned film
Speaker 5: of Vandenburg missile launch using a brand new, state of
Speaker 5: the art telescope developed at Boston University.
Speaker 1: It was the most powerful lens.
Speaker 10: The Air Force had ever used, the biggest lens we
Speaker 10: had on our m forty fives was one hundred and
Speaker 10: eighty inches. This telescope had an effective focal length of
Speaker 10: one two hundred inches, so you can see that it's
Speaker 10: enormously bigger. It was so big, in fact, that when
Speaker 10: the missile left Vandenberg with the Boston University telescope in
Speaker 10: one single frame, just the bottom three engines on an
Speaker 10: Atlas A f filled the frame. That was from a
Speaker 10: distance of about one hundred and thirty nautical miles.
Speaker 5: In a top secret mission, the telescope was flown in
Speaker 5: from Boston aboard a Hercules aircraft. This is actual footage
Speaker 5: shot by Jacob's unit and only recently rediscovered in his archive.
Speaker 5: The telescope was so large it had to be hauled
Speaker 5: to its site in an eighteen wheel big rate. Jacob's
Speaker 5: crew assisted the telescope's inventor, Wilter Manning, with the installation
Speaker 5: of the lens. The camera was perched on a bluff
Speaker 5: in Big Sur, one hundred and thirty miles from the
Speaker 5: launch site.
Speaker 10: We walked out of the missile and we saw all
Speaker 10: three stages of powered flight through our binoculars.
Speaker 3: We could see that happen.
Speaker 5: It was a test of a top secret anti missile
Speaker 5: missile one designed to confuse enemy missiles and then go
Speaker 5: on to hit its target. The camera was programmed to
Speaker 5: follow the missile automatically and run for six minutes, long
Speaker 5: past the point where the missile was visible.
Speaker 1: Now what we.
Speaker 3: Didn't know is what else we had got besides the missile.
Speaker 5: After the film was developed, project director Major Florenz Mansman
Speaker 5: called Jacobs into his office, and Major Mansman was not alone.
Speaker 10: There were two guys in gray suits in there, civilian clothes.
Speaker 10: They were not in the Air Force. They were from
Speaker 10: somewhere else. They never identified themselves. They could have been
Speaker 10: cia osi Oss.
Speaker 5: Jacobs was asked to watch his test film in the
Speaker 5: presence of these mysterious officials.
Speaker 10: The nosecones spread out. The warhead was quite plainly visible.
Speaker 10: Something flew into the frame. What I saw was a
Speaker 10: circular object. It was a classic flying saucer, and it
Speaker 10: shot a beam of something at our warhead. You have
Speaker 10: to imagine this thing is flying along several thousand miles
Speaker 10: an hour.
Speaker 3: The stuff is flying on and something comes into the.
Speaker 10: Frame and chasing it, and comes in like this and
Speaker 10: fires at it, and goes around like this and fires
Speaker 10: at it and goes around like this and fires at
Speaker 10: it and fires that.
Speaker 3: Are like then goes back out that way. What the
Speaker 3: hell could do that?
Speaker 5: That was exactly what Major Manxman wanted to know.
Speaker 3: And he said what was that?
Speaker 10: And I said, it looks to me like we got
Speaker 10: a UFO And he said you are never to say
Speaker 10: that again.
Speaker 3: As far as you're concerning Lieutenant Jacobs.
Speaker 10: This never happened, and I was sworn to silence, reminded
Speaker 10: of the security of the severity of a security breach.
Speaker 3: And told to leave the room.
Speaker 10: Eighteen years went by with that image in my mind.
Speaker 5: After eighteen years of silence, Jacobs felt compelled to go public.
Speaker 5: When he did, the official Air Force response was astonishing.
Speaker 10: The Air Force denied that I was ever there. There
Speaker 10: was no Lieutenant Robert M. Jacobs and the Air Force
Speaker 10: at that time. I was never at VanderBurg Air Force Base.
Speaker 10: If I was at VanderBurg Air Force Base, I was
Speaker 10: never in charge of the photo optical Instrumentation section at
Speaker 10: the thirteen sixty Photographics squadront right here at this base.
Speaker 10: They denied then that there was a track inside of
Speaker 10: Big Sirt. They denied that there was a telescope called
Speaker 10: the BU telescope.
Speaker 3: They denied that there was a doctor Walter Manny. They
Speaker 3: denied everything.
Speaker 5: However, Sightings has obtained documents that proved he was in
Speaker 5: the Air Force in nineteen sixty four and that he
Speaker 5: was in charge of the photo optical instrumentation site at
Speaker 5: Big Sur. In a letter to Sightings, Florens Mansman, Lieutenant
Speaker 5: Jacob's direct superior and the man present when the infamous
Speaker 5: UPO footage was screened, says quote, I am writing to
Speaker 5: confirm doctor Jacob's account as he had described it, but
Speaker 5: by far the most compelling evidence is this film, which
Speaker 5: proves the existence of an event the Air Force continues
Speaker 5: to deny.
Speaker 10: The Air Force is probably not going to like this film,
Speaker 10: but there's nothing they can do about it.
Speaker 3: It exists, It documents, the telescope.
Speaker 10: The people who were there, including me, and if there
Speaker 10: any reifications about it, I guess I just don't care anymore.
Speaker 1: So, as we just saw, they went out of their
Speaker 1: way to say that this dude never even existed, he
Speaker 1: never was in the Air Force.
Speaker 2: He's in the video, but everything they didn't just go
Speaker 2: that far. They everything everything about it, the telescope, the
Speaker 2: whole the whole thing, the system that they did, I
Speaker 2: mean everything. They just denied it.
Speaker 1: Just for the hell of it, just whatever.
Speaker 2: That's wild. So they've never actually agreed that a UFO happened,
Speaker 2: So they just have they at least acknowledged that he
Speaker 2: exists because they have no options, but.
Speaker 1: Nothing basically okay, basically they said, you know what, screw
Speaker 1: this dude, screw his testimony. Whatever. You know, security is
Speaker 1: a big deal around here, and these two suits over
Speaker 1: here will make sure that your life's hell. And it's
Speaker 1: like it start to finish. The camera that they were
Speaker 1: using was something that it was a special occurrence that
Speaker 1: they even had to use this type of camera because
Speaker 1: of the distance that this rocket was going to be going.
Speaker 1: They couldn't just use their regular way. It was like
Speaker 1: one hundred something inch camera. They had to use like
Speaker 1: one thousand inch camera, right, all these things and then
Speaker 1: they said, no, that never happened. This dude's full of shit.
Speaker 1: It's all part of some hoax. Cut to the Big
Speaker 1: sur Ufo. For anybody wants to look this up, Big
Speaker 1: Sir is sur Ufo. The Big surr Ufo is a
Speaker 1: reported UFO incident that took place during a nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: four Air Force deployment to a mountaintop near Big Sur, California.
Speaker 1: The deployment was a mission was a mission to film
Speaker 1: at list missile tests from Vanderberg Air Force Base. Since
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. Robert Jacobs, who has overseen the mountaintop team,
Speaker 1: has claimed the team filmed an intelligently controlled flying device
Speaker 1: that followed a missile and emitted a beam of energy
Speaker 1: to disable the weapon, and then they they just completely
Speaker 1: cut it up. It is what it is. These are
Speaker 1: considered fringe claims of an extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2: That was a fantastic show, by the way, fringe, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people have never actually watched it. But
Speaker 2: then you want to talk about something that goes into conspiracies.
Speaker 1: Okay, that show. Hell yeah, So this is all considered
Speaker 1: fringe claims, right, all these.
Speaker 2: Things, it's all fake. And he's so apparently fake as well.
Speaker 1: So here's the decoy warhead's explanation, because yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: something that we need in our lives, right, Okay. In
Speaker 1: response to Jacob's claims of extraterrestrial interference, Kingston A. George,
Speaker 1: who had been a project engineer during the incident, published
Speaker 1: a piece in The Skeptical Inquirer disputing Jacob's claims. George
Speaker 1: authored a second article in two thousand and nine. George
Speaker 1: explained that, like Jacob's he had seen footage he was
Speaker 1: not actually cleared to see. George reported that, like Jacobs,
Speaker 1: he always was instructed never to speak of it again,
Speaker 1: that unlike Jacobs, he was aware of the true purpose
Speaker 1: of the test to film the deployment of decoy warheads
Speaker 1: and chaff meant to confuse enemy air defenses. According to George,
Speaker 1: the lights that Jacob reported were actually caused not by
Speaker 1: UFO energy beams, but by the explosive deployment of decoys
Speaker 1: and chaff.
Speaker 2: Okay, so check, So they paid off somebody to count
Speaker 2: and counter him.
Speaker 1: The reason is to make sense is because the chaff
Speaker 1: wasn't deployed until it got to eight thousand feet or
Speaker 1: whatever the case was.
Speaker 2: However, didn't say it was only a couple hundred feet above.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and so this thing was traveling with it
Speaker 1: eight thousand miles per hour. Shot it with three beams
Speaker 1: of light, four beams of light, and then it zoomed off.
Speaker 1: But the chaff that was three hundred feet off the
Speaker 1: ground is clearly what they were looking at when it
Speaker 1: was in the troposphere or whatever the fuck it was
Speaker 1: whenever it went up.
Speaker 2: Clearly, clearly, clearly okay, because.
Speaker 1: The chaff is going to keep up with the rocket
Speaker 1: going eight thousand some miles per hour for a bit too,
Speaker 1: because that that's how that works.
Speaker 2: I love that they It's like they're so bad at
Speaker 2: trying to cover shit up too.
Speaker 1: Like, could you imagine just imagine this a jet, you
Speaker 1: know how there I've been a helicopter. You know how
Speaker 1: there's uh flares and shaft that they shoot out to
Speaker 1: be an air defense to turn against like round air
Speaker 1: missiles and things like this. Could you imagine if a
Speaker 1: helicopter deploys its flares and then one of these flares
Speaker 1: decides to keep up with it and maneuver with it
Speaker 1: for like a good section of time instead of just
Speaker 1: falling to the ground like it's supposed to. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: out loud, that's fucking retarding.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how they think people are just gonna
Speaker 2: be this stupid to where they just accept the narrative
Speaker 2: that they push and it's not even like a well
Speaker 2: crafted narrative.
Speaker 1: It's not It's like.
Speaker 2: A half assed just lunch. Bock threw it out like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, just here here's something just to just
Speaker 2: to have and shut the fuck up about.
Speaker 1: Basically, it's so dumb to me. In twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal revealed that hundreds of Air Force
Speaker 1: personnel have been told falsely that there was quote a
Speaker 1: secret program to harvest alien technology end quote. The piece
Speaker 1: describes it as a long running practice that was like
Speaker 1: a fraternity hazing ritual that spun wildly out of control.
Speaker 1: The report also explained that a classified electromagnetic pulse test
Speaker 1: had been responsible for UFO reports and missiles going offline
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. So first they say it's a
Speaker 1: piece of chaff. Now they're saying it is a super
Speaker 1: top secret classified electromagnetic pulse test that they were running
Speaker 1: that no one else knew about. But they happened to
Speaker 1: run this test on the day when they had a
Speaker 1: very specific camera angled up to see this missile go off.
Speaker 1: It's it's none of it makes any sense. Honestly, none
Speaker 1: of it makes sense. Not to mention this happened in
Speaker 1: sixty four. They're saying the electromagnetic test went online in
Speaker 1: sixty seven, so like, but yeah, it's just a it's
Speaker 1: a hazing ritual.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: You gotta tell all the young guys that were out
Speaker 1: here looking for UFO.
Speaker 2: Shit, because yeah, that makes sense. I love the government.
Speaker 2: They're just so fantastic, aren't They Just like the cool
Speaker 2: and their stories are the best, the best bet ever ever.
Speaker 1: All Right, So now as we are wrapping this episode,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the flying red cube gelatinous possibly in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, and we are talking about that are
Speaker 1: actually the saucer was in sixty four, the gelatinous possibly
Speaker 1: cube was in two thousand and three. Yes, now let's
Speaker 1: hear from John Lear. Have you ever heard this name before?
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: John Lear isn't a or at least was considered an
Speaker 1: expert in ufology. And he says, by his own emission,
Speaker 1: he was a retired military guy himself that we have
Speaker 1: contact with multiple species of aliens.
Speaker 2: I recognize his face, but I actually don't know anything
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Well, so this is George Knap, this is the U,
Speaker 1: this is the anchor that was about Okay, so I
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 2: This guy's face looks familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is from eyewitness news and he had a
Speaker 1: lot of very interesting people come on the show as eyewenut.
Speaker 2: Okay, so at least I'm not that dumb.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. Without further ado, good cult members,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen yet again,
Speaker 1: and we are gonna learn about John Lear and his
Speaker 1: time he went on the Georgian n app Eyewitness News
Speaker 1: eight to talk about the extraterrestrials. This was a part
Speaker 1: of like a forty five minute thing. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: watch the entirety of it for obvious reasons, but we
Speaker 1: are going to watch this eight minute segment. And okay,
Speaker 1: I would love to and if you want to pause
Speaker 1: at any point to talk about it, let me know,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna just be dropping some truth bombs on
Speaker 1: this one that at the time seemed crazy. This was crazy,
Speaker 1: this was in the eighties. There's no way this is accurate.
Speaker 1: And then we cut to the information that we're discussing
Speaker 1: openly on Congress today. So let's get into a good
Speaker 1: cult members, let's learn together.
Speaker 11: Welcome to on the record those of us, those of
Speaker 11: you who joined us last week were probably amazed as
Speaker 11: I was, by some of the latest research in the
Speaker 11: field of UFOs there is so much to talk about, however,
Speaker 11: we were unable to fit it all into one program.
Speaker 11: So my guest again this week is UFO researcher, former
Speaker 11: State Senate candidate, and award winning pilot John Lear.
Speaker 4: Mister Lear, nice to have you here again.
Speaker 6: Ore is a pleasure to be here, George.
Speaker 11: To begin with, we have this concept of the people
Speaker 11: from other planets as little green men. Are they green?
Speaker 11: From what you know? Are they all the same or
Speaker 11: we got different kinds of them?
Speaker 6: George is at least seventy different species and probably more.
Speaker 6: But yes, as odd as it sounds, there are little
Speaker 6: green men. That's not the ones we usually see though.
Speaker 6: We see the little gray ones. They are about four
Speaker 6: and a half feet tall. And we see the ones
Speaker 6: that are called the Nordics. They're about seven feet tall,
Speaker 6: look like us, but they're invariably blonde hair and blue eyed.
Speaker 6: They're one of the species that we have on ice
Speaker 6: one of their crashes we recovered.
Speaker 11: Obviously, with different species, they have different motives. I mean,
Speaker 11: are there good aliens and bad aliens?
Speaker 2: Want?
Speaker 6: You know bad aliens in all kinds of ways and
Speaker 6: reasons for interacting with us?
Speaker 4: And what are some of the reasons why would they.
Speaker 6: Be genetic experiments trying to you know, there's a misconception here.
Speaker 6: People think that our space brothers would bring us, you know,
Speaker 6: good things and teach us how to get rid of
Speaker 6: all our diseases. And you know, if you get to
Speaker 6: if you stop and think about it, that may not
Speaker 6: be the best thing. Because if you a society without
Speaker 6: any disease and everybody starts living one hundred and fifty years,
Speaker 6: that creates a.
Speaker 1: Lot of problems. I will say that is a very
Speaker 1: unpopular hot take by our boy John Lear on that one. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, if people live too long, that may not
Speaker 1: be a good thing. Like, bro, that's that's not a
Speaker 1: thing you want to be saying like you're saying it's
Speaker 1: a good thing that people die. And I understand where
Speaker 1: you're coming from. But also, you know, maybe don't sound
Speaker 1: in such a dickhead about I.
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, I get to kind of sound like a
Speaker 2: dick about it. But I will say though that with
Speaker 2: the technology that they're pushing forward right now to potentially
Speaker 2: put your I guess, consciousness, soul, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it into something to be able to transfer into
Speaker 2: another host body or whatever, and moving forward. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: people are potentially going to look in this whole age
Speaker 2: reversal situation with the guy, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: different technology happening to bring down to like the actual
Speaker 2: cellular level of age reversal, which, by the way, if
Speaker 2: you ever watch his whole thing, he actually goes into detail,
Speaker 2: like the people that are doing the technology on how
Speaker 2: to reverse each cell itself. So I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't want people to survive longer, because if you want
Speaker 2: to take over, you're gonna want these people to die faster. E.
Speaker 2: McDonald's created by aliens.
Speaker 1: The McDonald's and the different plagues I E. COVID. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a whole list of reasons why they want the
Speaker 1: world's population to decrease. And I hear what he's saying again,
Speaker 1: I get it though, right, like to say that, oh,
Speaker 1: everybody thinks the aliens are coming to help us, but
Speaker 1: like that's not necessarily a good thing. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you mean that they're actually not doing that, But I
Speaker 1: cut in. Let's continue with his statement.
Speaker 6: Here, they would not meddle in that in that way.
Speaker 11: You believe in part that the movies et Close Encounters
Speaker 11: of the Third kind were not entirely just the creative
Speaker 11: products of some Hollywood director that maybe there's more to that.
Speaker 4: Why don't you explain.
Speaker 6: They were carefully guided by representatives from MJ twelve, who
Speaker 6: is this organization that is in charge of the cover up,
Speaker 6: in order to get us ready for the release of
Speaker 6: the information that there are indeed aliens, and in both
Speaker 6: those movies they used small little creatures and in order
Speaker 6: to get us ready for this release of information.
Speaker 11: To prepare us that the idea of the benevolent aliens
Speaker 11: from outers are going to help us out.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, they're not so benevolent, So they made probably one
Speaker 6: of the most disastrous mistakes when ET was put out
Speaker 6: at that time was before we discovered what I call
Speaker 6: the double cross or the Grand deception, and they were
Speaker 6: trying to get us used to the benevolent little creatures.
Speaker 6: But that isn't the case.
Speaker 4: Why don't you take a couple of minutes.
Speaker 11: Now, you've done as much research on UFOs as just
Speaker 11: about anyone, Adam.
Speaker 1: Now real quick, I do want to make a mention
Speaker 1: of this. You do notice that there was a hard
Speaker 1: shift as far as alien movies are concerned. Right, there's
Speaker 1: the old black and white Day the Earth Stood Still,
Speaker 1: and it was seen as creepy, but it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a horror movie. It was in the realm of like
Speaker 1: edgy sci fi cut to et experience of the third kind,
Speaker 1: these types of movies where they made aliens seem not scary,
Speaker 1: here to help, maybe benevolent, whatever the case of b
Speaker 1: And then immediately after that there was a hard switch
Speaker 1: where all these alien movies were put out where the
Speaker 1: aliens were terrifying and they were trying to take over
Speaker 1: the Earth and they were doing all this horrible shit.
Speaker 1: And now we're in this weird place where kind of
Speaker 1: a little bit of both is what's being played in
Speaker 1: the regular movies that come out about aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's good and bad. I mean more or less
Speaker 2: looks like AI is our best friend. That's where they're
Speaker 2: really pushing. But there definitely is a gambit though when
Speaker 2: it comes to aliens. It can be good, it can
Speaker 2: be bad, it can be all in between. I've watched
Speaker 2: a lot of different alien movies throughout the years, so
Speaker 2: I mean it's one of those things of you know,
Speaker 2: depends on the narrative of the year, the flavor of
Speaker 2: the year when it comes to what narrative they want to.
Speaker 1: Push forslutely absolutely, all right, let's.
Speaker 4: Continue imagine that. If you haven't done it, you know
Speaker 4: people who have. Where did it all start? Then?
Speaker 11: How have we put this picture together of where they
Speaker 11: came from and why they're here?
Speaker 6: Well, the whole thing started. And July second, nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 6: that was the first crash, first crash of alien of
Speaker 6: an alien spaceship. July six is when they recovered it
Speaker 6: and sent it to Wright Patterson Air Force Base. July
Speaker 6: seventh is when they held the press conference and told
Speaker 6: the people it was a weather balloon, which the press
Speaker 6: bought bookline and sinker. September of that year, President Truman
Speaker 6: established m J twelve and the purpose of that was
Speaker 6: to study the saucers and cover up the existence of UFO.
Speaker 4: And you say, we recovered alien bodies from that incident.
Speaker 6: Four from that particular crash, Yes, And what did they
Speaker 6: do with them? They autopsied them. Doctor Detlov Bronc was
Speaker 6: the chief surgeon, so to speak. He was the one
Speaker 6: that named him. Eb S stands for extraterrestrial biological entities,
Speaker 6: and we captured three live EBS. They were numbered in
Speaker 6: their order of capture eb E one, eb E two,
Speaker 6: and eb E three.
Speaker 4: Where did we capture? Where did this happen?
Speaker 6: In different crashes? Eb E one lived with an Air
Speaker 6: Force kernel between nineteen forty nine and nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 6: The ebees are kept in electromagnetic facility called a y
Speaker 6: wy Dash two. It was designed by a doctor Eric Wang,
Speaker 6: who worked directly for doctor Kissinger, who has been in
Speaker 6: this cover up since the very beginning. The reason they
Speaker 6: had to create electromagnetic facility is the fact that the
Speaker 6: ebes are so advanced. They're at least a half a
Speaker 6: billion years advanced from us and probably more.
Speaker 4: They can move by thought, move by thought.
Speaker 6: Thought, and they can also disappear, but they can't move
Speaker 6: by thought through electromatagnetic facility. So they built this facility.
Speaker 6: There was two, one in Los Alamos and one either
Speaker 6: at Edwards or up at the.
Speaker 4: Test site a Groom Lake, Nevada, a Groom Lake.
Speaker 6: Now there's still one ebe still living, eb E three,
Speaker 6: And there is a videotape that eventually is going to
Speaker 6: be released to the public, and it's an interview with him.
Speaker 6: As hard as that may sound, as hard as that
Speaker 6: may be to believe there is a videotape of an
Speaker 6: interview with EV three.
Speaker 4: What is this language that the interviewers.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen the tape, so I don't know. But
Speaker 6: on this trip I told you I took gathering all
Speaker 6: this information. A guy in Albuquerque handed me twenty five
Speaker 6: secret Cie memos. And if anything can be humorous in
Speaker 6: all of this, one of these memos in the body
Speaker 6: of the text it said, by the way Eve three
Speaker 6: wants to see the ocean, we better make the arrangements
Speaker 6: or he'll disappear again. So while he couldn't get out
Speaker 6: of this facility, he could make himself disappear and cause
Speaker 6: him a lot of trouble.
Speaker 11: They now, can they exist among us? Is that what
Speaker 11: you're saying? Or do they have to have a special.
Speaker 6: Environment of special environment, special era. It's my understanding they
Speaker 6: can only last about twenty minutes in this era.
Speaker 11: You were saying, also, these gray ones are the ones
Speaker 11: that we see most of the time, and you said
Speaker 11: that most of that there are a lot of different.
Speaker 4: Motives for them being here, the gray ones. What kind
Speaker 4: of a deal we got we're going with them?
Speaker 11: Is that the bunch that you suggest we've made a
Speaker 11: deal with for military technology.
Speaker 6: I think we made a deal with them, and they're
Speaker 6: ultimate to What they want to do is regenerate their
Speaker 6: own race. Now apparently they're either they've either had some
Speaker 6: kind of nuclear accident or they're on the back side
Speaker 6: of a evolutionary genetic curve and they're going downhill instead
Speaker 6: of uphill. In other words, in the autopsies of which
Speaker 6: I have too, we found out that their digestive system
Speaker 6: is atrophied. They don't they can't eat through their mouth anymore.
Speaker 6: You know how they eat well, these cattle mulations. They
Speaker 6: take the hormones and the enzymes from those cattle and
Speaker 6: they spread it on their skin, and their skin absorbs
Speaker 6: the nutrients and then excretes the waste back through their skin.
Speaker 6: And if you read Whitley Strieber's book or listen to
Speaker 6: him talk, he talks about when he's seen him doing
Speaker 6: this to their skin and they're scraping the waist off.
Speaker 11: Now, these cattle mutilations, there's been a film made about that,
Speaker 11: and perhaps in a couple of minutes we can take
Speaker 11: a look at at some excerpts of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, strange harvest was a good one. But another thing
Speaker 6: had happened here. On March fourth, there was a documentary
Speaker 6: released on the best UFO photos that have been taken
Speaker 6: so far, including a minute and thirty eight seconds of videotape.
Speaker 6: Now what happened is in November, this guy took these photos,
Speaker 6: took it into the TV station. They thought it was great,
Speaker 6: but nobody would believe it. So they spent three months
Speaker 6: checking the validity of the checking the authenticating the videotape,
Speaker 6: and checking out the credibility of the witness. And when
Speaker 6: they had it all down, they put out this documentary
Speaker 6: thirty minutes. I mean, Sirron Clad, they're here. But do
Speaker 6: you think it got on the network? No, it just
Speaker 6: showed locally in Pensacole.
Speaker 4: We have some of that and perhaps when we come
Speaker 4: back we can.
Speaker 1: Okay. So now hearing from your boy, doctor Lear Raven Lee,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on those things that he just said.
Speaker 1: Some people call him an absolute quack, some people say
Speaker 1: he is an absolute source.
Speaker 2: I think that he has a presence that is very
Speaker 2: constructed to be very confident in dominating. And this is
Speaker 2: what I believe to be factually true to where people
Speaker 2: will follow lead and not really ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: I found it interesting some of the things that he
Speaker 2: was saying, though. If they did have these three particular aliens,
Speaker 2: how do they know of all the things, that electromagnetic
Speaker 2: would be the one thing they couldn't pass through? Did
Speaker 2: one of them give up the information? What language are
Speaker 2: they speaking? Do they have like a transmitter that can
Speaker 2: like speak to.
Speaker 1: Us apparently telegraphically?
Speaker 2: Okay, So if they're moving through thought, then how would
Speaker 2: we capture them unless they wanted to be captured, Because
Speaker 2: if they're moving that quickly and that easily, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't see how we could develop something or know something
Speaker 2: so quickly to be able to capture not one, but
Speaker 2: three of these things, so and hold them in facilities And.
Speaker 1: So apparently off of the first four from the Roswell crash,
Speaker 1: we did autopsies on them. And I don't know this
Speaker 1: to be a fact. This is not Jacob speaking as
Speaker 1: some sort of an authority on this. This is what
Speaker 1: I've been with all the research that I've done being
Speaker 1: a professional conspiracy theorist for years now. This is about
Speaker 1: the chain of events. We did autopsies on these corpses
Speaker 1: and learned a whole hell of a lot about them
Speaker 1: on a physical level. When these three individual crashes took
Speaker 1: place and we got them in this regard, we knew
Speaker 1: that at least.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean since they're dead, so you wouldn't know
Speaker 2: that they could telepathically move.
Speaker 1: No, but apparently they started communicating with the people that
Speaker 1: found them through telepathic means, and that's how they were
Speaker 1: able to save their lives because apparently they can only
Speaker 1: exist in our air for like twenty minutes. So they
Speaker 1: were told, we need to be put in this environment.
Speaker 1: You need to get to this quick or we'll die
Speaker 1: or whatever the case was. And thankfully they were.
Speaker 2: Like a venom situation, Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Think of whenever his spacesuit opened now and he's like,
Speaker 1: the air is breathable? What these aliens when they landed here.
Speaker 1: Apparently our oxygen rich environment is not breatheable for them.
Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I'm sorry, I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that they would willingly throw themselves at
Speaker 2: the creatures. I mean, the one thing that they know
Speaker 2: have to know is that they're going to be experimented on,
Speaker 2: so they're not gonna I just don't see it, like
Speaker 2: that would be being like a pow and being like
Speaker 2: you know what, hey, I'm right here, like, just come
Speaker 2: get me and torture me, and hopefully I will just
Speaker 2: share all of our secrets of the universe with you.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see that that do some Stockholm syndrome shit.
Speaker 2: But I but they're coming here, yeah, and then crashing,
Speaker 2: I just do I don't believe it, genuinely don't. And
Speaker 2: I don't believe that they held them and if they
Speaker 2: were telepathically able to move, I don't think that they
Speaker 2: would just chill and be like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna hang out in this torture area and like
Speaker 2: hope for the best.
Speaker 1: And would they need to be torture because they already
Speaker 1: knew what the anatomy of them looked like, all of
Speaker 1: the four corpses at this point, they might keep them alive.
Speaker 2: So this is one of the seventy that he's claiming,
Speaker 2: so that they for sure were the exact scene.
Speaker 1: Once allegedly the same species, all allegedly super allegedly. But
Speaker 1: apparently these ebes as he called them, told them a
Speaker 1: lot of things about the world outside of our Earth,
Speaker 1: and apparently there's at least seventy that they know of,
Speaker 1: or have contact with, or whatever the case is.
Speaker 2: And I don't believe him. You don't believe him, No, damn,
Speaker 2: I don't believe him. I don't believe in the way
Speaker 2: because his the way that he presented, in the mannerisms
Speaker 2: and way he the way that he was presenting, reminds
Speaker 2: me a lot of the experiments. So they did to
Speaker 2: see what people would believe. If you hold a title,
Speaker 2: if you're wearing a jacket, you know, how you're presenting
Speaker 2: information to people. I just don't believe it. I think
Speaker 2: that maybe there is a kernel of truth to some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that you're saying. I think that some
Speaker 2: of it, though, is fabricated, because it doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me how these things would be. If I was
Speaker 2: an alien race, I would not want to get myself captured.
Speaker 2: I would not willingly give myself up to people that
Speaker 2: you know experimented likely on your brethren, I guess, and
Speaker 2: just forthright give this information over that could potentially be
Speaker 2: used against you and your entire race at a later time.
Speaker 2: Why would they do that? How would you hold them
Speaker 2: in this facility? How would you understand? Because if they're
Speaker 2: all dead corpses. You would not know that they could
Speaker 2: be held in this type of facility unless it's something
Speaker 2: within their blood themselves. Maybe if it interacted enough to magnetism,
Speaker 2: maybe they could they could figure that out. But of
Speaker 2: all the different things, it's like, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: just doesn't make I don't believe him. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: lie there.
Speaker 1: You have a good cult remembers. Now as far okay,
Speaker 1: aside from Lear's testimony, the nineteen sixty four experiment with
Speaker 1: the flying saucer and the beams of light, what's your
Speaker 1: take on that.
Speaker 2: I do believe that something occurred. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 2: would like to see the footage. Say, honestly, I would
Speaker 2: like to see if there was more than one person
Speaker 2: testimony to that day, because in the video or the
Speaker 2: picture you saw in the video, there was multiple people.
Speaker 2: I would want to see. I want all of those
Speaker 2: people to tell me the exact kind of story.
Speaker 1: If nothing else, the fact that the Air Force tried
Speaker 1: to cover it up and say he never served and
Speaker 1: then he had to prove his point like that much
Speaker 1: is true. So at least there is some sort of
Speaker 1: a cover up that did take place.
Speaker 2: Oh of one hundred percent. I believe that there is
Speaker 2: something definitely that went on, and I believe that something
Speaker 2: UFO related happened. I don't It's not that I don't
Speaker 2: believe him. I mean, I would just like to see
Speaker 2: it physically for myself. But I believe that something definitely
Speaker 2: did happen, especially that they went to such great lengths
Speaker 2: to say that he didn't even exist, that none of
Speaker 2: it existed, that none of it happened, and there's video
Speaker 2: proof and photos and obviously he existed, and he has
Speaker 2: documentation that he was in the military and everything else.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't do that unless they're trying to cover something up.
Speaker 2: So I believe that all of these incidents are happening.
Speaker 2: I believe that whatever the fuck is going on should
Speaker 2: be I want to honestly look at how many nuclear
Speaker 2: sites around the world have had some type of issue
Speaker 2: women you do an episode on that one. Honestly, it's
Speaker 2: just triggering, like all these different thought patterns of like
Speaker 2: can you track them? Can you triangulate how many times
Speaker 2: through the last hundred years people have had well, not
Speaker 2: one hundred years, in the last fifty years people have
Speaker 2: had some type of issues around these areas, But.
Speaker 1: How many of those events got unreported or thrown so
Speaker 1: far under a stack of paperwork that it's just wrapped
Speaker 1: up now.
Speaker 2: Right, true. I mean you'd have to definitely go in
Speaker 2: an online platform that's quote unquote unrestricted to try to
Speaker 2: at least get somewhat information. But then that's so hard
Speaker 2: because everything is. You know, anybody can make up a story, right,
Speaker 2: Anybody can say that, you know, I saw a bigfoot
Speaker 2: outst my window last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could triple down and be presented like
Speaker 2: this guy just presented where like there's no shadow of doubt,
Speaker 2: there's no way that my inflection is changing. I am
Speaker 2: definitely telling the truth. This is what I believe wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2: You need to believe it with me.
Speaker 1: Now that's so said. What do you think about the
Speaker 1: two thousand and three to two thousand and five crazy
Speaker 1: UFO sidings in the cube, the cube that flew over
Speaker 1: the exact same Air Force or Space Force base.
Speaker 2: I think there's something there, Yeah, I think that. I
Speaker 2: believe that for that much land to be there, and
Speaker 2: for that many launch sites to be there, plus having
Speaker 2: decades aparts issues in the scene location, and for it
Speaker 2: to be turned into Space Force location and for Elon
Speaker 2: to have his whole situation there, there's just too many
Speaker 2: quote unquote coincidences for me, and I do believe that
Speaker 2: because that's not the first time we've heard about it
Speaker 2: a cube looking thing, so I believe that there is
Speaker 2: definitely I believe that it happened.
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