WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:17.239 December twenty twenty twenty four. Gee, we're almost out of days. 2 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:24.640 When I got to start remembering to say twenty twenty five? Huh? Anyways, Friursday, 3 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:27.320 Friday night. We are live. It is about nine and 4 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.039 a half minutes past the hour of eight pm Eastern time, 5 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:31.800 and what we used to call America and all that 6 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:35.280 good stuff. And we're live, taking your calls if you 7 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.600 feel like making them. Three one nine five two seven 8 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:42.039 five zero one six. We can talk about anything you want. 9 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:45.920 What's in the news, what's not in the news, what's happening, 10 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.000 what's not happening, What it is you want to see happening. 11 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.200 How about what's going on in your life? I don't care. 12 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:53.359 Whatever you want to discuss. You want to talk about 13 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:57.439 the Batman movie style purp walk They gave Mangioni this week. 14 00:00:57.960 --> 00:00:59.880 The media was there. It was a big to do. 15 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.359 Oh I guess, I don't know. Is it a big 16 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.239 to do at this point? Oh? Yeah? What is it? 17 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:10.359 Fanny Willis is now disqualified, So are they gonna retry 18 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.599 him in Georgia? Probably not? And guess what? All that 19 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:20.239 stuff keeps evaporating. Somebody bearing a striking resemblance to myself 20 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:23.239 said something like this, but you know, I don't know 21 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.200 what I'm talking about, do I. Anyway, hopefully you guys 22 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.400 enjoyed some of the podcasts from this week. I didn't 23 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.680 get Larry's out yet, but we're gonna be talking about Syria. 24 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:35.680 That'll be coming out over the weekend along with this 25 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:38.959 show and everything else that happens, plus whatever goes on 26 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:41.920 at ten pm Eastern tonight, because the Age of Transitions 27 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.359 begins here on o'chelly dot com and then uncle the broadcast. 28 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:48.879 So we'll put out that podcast too at the end 29 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.400 of the week here, probably around Sunday or so. I'll 30 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.000 get them out, but we'll see. We'll see how it 31 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:58.719 all goes. Anyway. Three one nine five two seven five 32 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:01.079 zero one six. That's the number to call, or you 33 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.719 can reach out to me Charles dot Ucelli on Skype 34 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:07.480 and if you want to do that, I'll more than 35 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:09.800 happily try and add you into the show if you 36 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.840 asked me to, and that's the way that goes. You 37 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.120 can't call in on Skype, but I can add you 38 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.960 into the show in the meantime. The only one that 39 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.159 I've added into the show so far is my co 40 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.439 host b Pete. How's it going to be, Pete? What's 41 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:26.840 on your mind this week? Oh? 42 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:27.280 I don't know. 43 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.080 It's been kind of a weird week. I've been experiencing 44 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.199 I have arthritis in my hands, a gift. 45 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.960 Of my mother congress persal. 46 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:41.360 But it's been really bad this past week with this 47 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:44.520 cold weather and with these trunks moving through. For some reason, 48 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.080 my hands are just taking to the phone, makes it 49 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:49.039 hard to do anything. 50 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.400 Put that coffee cup. If I can't do that, then 51 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.400 I might as well just go ahead to kick off. 52 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.199 Other than that, it's been a busy week. We're trying 53 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.280 to putting things up, get ready for the holidays. Track 54 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.960 it's going to shut down for a few days so 55 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.120 we can get up on PaperWorks and some other stuff. 56 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:06.919 But other than that, not much. 57 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.120 And enjoying a cold day, well a seasonal let's just 58 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.960 say this is normal attempts for us, not the thirties 59 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:15.120 and that we've been dealing with. 60 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:20.719 Right, right, it's cold in the southeast. For the Southeast, 61 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.759 you know, this would be nothing. This would be September 62 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.719 weather in the Northeast. But in the Southeast, this is cold. Right. 63 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.560 Oh, we only got out open the state cloudy all day. 64 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:34.240 You want to hit the low fifties, but with a 65 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.080 wind blowing, so it was kind of cutting through the 66 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.759 and we got a front coming through the night that 67 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:41.159 maybe once that passes my hands and le's up a 68 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:42.919 little bit, a little bit of rain out of it, 69 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.599 and it's supposed to be in the forties over the weekend. 70 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.199 So yeah, that's that's cold for us. Considering this is 71 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.759 just what tomorrow's first day of winter today, I think. 72 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.560 That tomorrow and tomorrow twenty first, I think would be 73 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:57.360 the first day winning. 74 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.479 Yeah, we we fifties is our normal camp. 75 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.199 This time, it's really been it's been cool for the 76 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:06.599 past two weeks. 77 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:09.439 Right, because we dropped into the twenties and thirties here 78 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:10.439 a couple of times. 79 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.240 Yeah, but then it shoots back up to seventy for 80 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:14.960 three days and rain. 81 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.399 I mean, it's a wonder that half of the state 82 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:18.279 isn't sick. 83 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.160 Right right, Well, I have not been well just yet 84 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:26.639 throughout this time period. I mean I started getting better 85 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.000 after dealing with a few things, but now I'm feeling 86 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.120 sick again. I don't know, it's just it's the fun time, 87 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:35.480 is what it is. I don't know. It's going to 88 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:38.519 be a slow and quiet Christmas here, so you know, 89 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.000 nobody coming to visit, nothing happening here. So it is 90 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.279 what it is. But you know, I don't know, maybe 91 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.399 you guys are going hectic for the holidays or are 92 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.439 people still doing that? Do people travel anymore? I mean, 93 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:51.759 is that a fake at this point? 94 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.600 Yeah, traveling is lay up. 95 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.839 We've noticed a big increase the past two days on 96 00:04:55.879 --> 00:05:01.000 the job site. Not a traffic coming time. Courts all 97 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.560 say this weekend is going to be super busy. Apparently 98 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.279 people have got enough time they can leave. 99 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:07.879 This weekend and get out. Of course, I think the 100 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.480 busiest traveling to call it force like Christmas Eve. But 101 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.680 people on the roads, people are moving. People got a 102 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:15.680 little bit of money. 103 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.000 They're not going this far as they used to since 104 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:24.279 their dollar doesn't stretches as far. But yeah, they're predicting, Uh, 105 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:28.759 they're predicting levels pre COVID for traveling this year. 106 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:33.040 Well that's strange considering everybody's broke. But then again, you 107 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:36.040 know people are too broke. I guess I guess only 108 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.199 some of us are broke, because uh, you know, everybody 109 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.279 I know has broke. But it doesn't mean that everybody 110 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.120 in the world is, I guess because you know, I 111 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:48.560 wouldn't even consider going anywhere for the holiday season. Uh, 112 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.040 with the expenses and just trying to like eat away 113 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:54.639 from home for God's sake is impossible for me, you 114 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:56.800 know at this point. So I mean, I wouldn't even 115 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:57.360 consider it. 116 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.120 Uh, Well, the farthest I'm going to travel as the 117 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.279 two blocks over to my friend's house and have dinner 118 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:02.879 with them. 119 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:03.759 On Christmas Eve. 120 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:04.600 Oh, there you go. 121 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:07.800 I'll go on two blocks. That's my limit. 122 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.600 Well, hey, two blocks is further than you might have 123 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.759 went a couple of years ago. Anyhow, So what's happening 124 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.879 in the world outside of that? I mean, uh, you know, 125 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.040 nothing except what Trump is on tour even though he's 126 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.759 not in office yet. Well, we have the government shutdown 127 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.519 thing happening. What's going on with that today? Did you 128 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:27.759 see they passed? 129 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:29.360 Yeah, they passed what was. 130 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:33.720 It, their third spending plan finally passed, So I'll carry 131 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:39.279 us to the I think till March, right, And basically 132 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.600 what they did is they combined three separate bills. 133 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.360 It's basically got whatever it needs to keep the government 134 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:49.639 running at current levels. They've got something for the farm 135 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.920 bill in there for farmers that are having trouble get 136 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.639 loans in that because of this pasting's weather. 137 00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:01.240 And then emergency relief for everybody to be affected. 138 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:06.360 By Helene and whatever the other hurricane was that trucked 139 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.439 through Florida down there, the second one that came from 140 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:11.600 so some people are looking forward to that. I know 141 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.199 our state is going to be happy with some of 142 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:16.000 the hurricane relief because we've still got people living intents 143 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.240 and it's snowing in the mountains where it's not going 144 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.319 to be a warm Christmas for them by no means. 145 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.560 But some other economic stuff, what is it. Party City 146 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.560 is closing all their stores. They're going out of business, 147 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.160 and they have been a staple in most major cities. 148 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:37.160 I know everywhere I've lived. 149 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:41.279 Has had a Party sent and I feeling they're going 150 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.120 to be missed by a lot of people. 151 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:44.079 A lot of people went there. 152 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:48.160 Big Lots has closed the majority of their stores. They're 153 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.720 hoping for a buyout or they're going to have to 154 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.279 lay off a lot of employees and maybe not make 155 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.319 it out of bankruptcy if they can't find a buyer. 156 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.480 Yeah, but see, they're probably going to reorganize like Red 157 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.600 Lobster did not too long ago. Right, Red Lobster still exists. 158 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:03.600 I thought they were going out of business, but they 159 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.199 still exist. I saw TV commercials just the other day 160 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.639 for them. Apparently they Yeah, they. 161 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:11.360 Were what they did, they closed, they closed their worst 162 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:17.680 profitable stores and then with three Chapter eleven they didn't 163 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.879 have to be bought out by somebody, and they have 164 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:24.800 limited they've changed their menu and limited by trick Fest 165 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:26.839 where it was all you could eat shrimp, right, you know, 166 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.519 now they're they're setting a much higher price on it 167 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:31.600 than a limit to. 168 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.159 Things like that, because it's things like that they got 169 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:37.200 them in trouble. But yeah, they did close some locations, 170 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.159 but I think the majority of them were still open 171 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:41.360 and still able to operate. 172 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:44.799 Yeah, but you know, they didn't go away like Chuck 173 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:45.639 E Cheese did. 174 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:48.120 No well, and they changed. 175 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.159 You know, Chapter eleven is just a reorganization, different from 176 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.480 Chapter seven where everything gets sold. 177 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:55.639 Off and you no longer exist. 178 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:56.399 Right. 179 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.519 So luckily they've been able to come out of Chapter eleven, 180 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:03.720 and that's why Big Lots is hoping for But I 181 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.879 think they're they're I don't know what they've got on 182 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:08.720 the books, but they're saying that they really need to 183 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:09.360 find a buyer. 184 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:14.799 So somebody needs to buy big lots that believes in it. 185 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:16.840 Otherwise we're going to see another one of these, uh, 186 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:22.200 Staple stores disappear. I guess, hey, well the Staples still exist, 187 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:23.600 you know, I haven't seen one of those in a 188 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:24.159 long time. 189 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:30.879 Staple's got they went through a buyout, I believe. And 190 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.200 I'm trying to think because I was thinking about that 191 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:33.960 the other day. 192 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.759 You know, Office Max and Office Depot had been going 193 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:43.600 at it, right, Let's see if they got sold, yeah. 194 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:45.879 Because I mean I remember there was a whole problem there, 195 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:47.559 and it was like, well, you know, the day of 196 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.519 the home office is over because you don't need all 197 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:54.960 this crap anymore. And of course the online you know, 198 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:57.639 the online business of ordering things and having them delivered 199 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.240 to your house, well, I mean Amazon, who's no now, 200 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.120 you know, happily donating to Trump and everything, even though 201 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.279 about four years ago I thought he was like one 202 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.279 of the ultimate enemies of Trump, right, was Bezos. But 203 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:10.519 now he's getting cozy with him and getting in on 204 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:12.240 it with the inauguration and everything. 205 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:18.360 Right, Uh, Bezos and Zuckerberg both donated to his. 206 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:26.000 His operation sties. Yeah, well Staples was. 207 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.720 Sold in twenty and seventeen for six point nine billion. 208 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:40.080 And let's see consult making merchanty office depot. The don't 209 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.799 find out if they apparently they're still in business after 210 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:47.200 being sold. They had a refined well we got Staples 211 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.240 think successfully complete refinancing. 212 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.840 Let's see, I did a. 213 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:58.000 Debt refinancing and uh, it's a result that didn't retuction 214 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.559 in the company's outstanding debt. 215 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:02.879 So they're hitting better financial footing. And this was just 216 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.320 Jill with this past year. So they're still there. 217 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:06.960 There's still the. 218 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:10.399 Largest big box office supply chain. Store did not realize that. 219 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.399 Well fair enough, but then again the largest among a 220 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.200 small portion of the business. Now again, like I said, 221 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.320 because of Amazon and all the online ordering options you have, 222 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.080 who bothers with even leaving their house if they don't 223 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.960 have to, you know? So, and does anybody actually build 224 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.759 a home office anymore? I don't know. Gigwork, you don't 225 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:30.360 need it if you're going to be an Uber driver. 226 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.000 I mean, what do you need for your home office 227 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.840 if you're an Uber driver? Not much. If you're going 228 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:36.120 to deliver food, you know, grub Hub or whatever. You 229 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.320 don't need a home office. I don't think. I'm just 230 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.480 saying that the idea of the home office might be 231 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.399 gone anyway. 232 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.919 Not necessarily, because it's still an allowable deduction on your 233 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.159 personal income taxes. 234 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.559 Until that becomes useless, people will still go. 235 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:59.480 Buy a printer or Stanner computer in a comfortable chair. 236 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.159 You call it their office and take the right off. 237 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:04.440 Uh. I have a hell of a time finding an 238 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.440 affordable UH scanner printer. You know, a few years ago 239 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.360 they were everywhere and they were cheap, and now they're gone. Uh, 240 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.600 you can't find one anywhere. Even if you find them 241 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.360 on a shelf somewhere on display, they're never in stock anywhere. 242 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:17.240 You know. 243 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.720 I'm all of cannon here. Maybe ten years ago. It 244 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:25.200 still is functioning well. If I could just find a 245 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.519 cheap ballot for printer or ink. Yeah, see, standing it 246 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:31.559 is still working great. 247 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.919 See this is the thing that happens right as you 248 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.000 buy the thing. It's cheap, it's great, it works good, 249 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:38.159 but then you run out of ink, and guess what, 250 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.960 you can't find ink for it. I mean that's been 251 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.320 the other thing. Anyway, We're taking calls and I do 252 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:47.559 see one on the line, so I'll get right to them. 253 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.840 But three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six. 254 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.000 Obviously you can change the direction of this discussion in 255 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.559 any way you want, uh, and we're wide open to 256 00:12:57.639 --> 00:12:59.919 your suggestions, and who knows, maybe we'll pick up on 257 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:02.639 something that you have to say and run with it 258 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:04.399 for the rest of the show. I have no idea, 259 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:06.960 because we're just going to fill the time up until 260 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:10.080 just about ten pm Eastern here, so about an hour 261 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:13.360 and forty minutes from now, you've got to call in. 262 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.080 But if you don't join us, well then you missed. 263 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.200 What can I say? I'm still asking for suggestions as 264 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:23.720 to whether we should expand the call in nights or not. 265 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.360 Should we do it on other nights? Maybe Friday's not 266 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.440 the right night. I let me know, you know, if 267 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.279 we got to reorganize things. I'm looking to reorganize in 268 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.440 twenty twenty five and do some different things. You might 269 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:36.960 be able to tell that from some of the recent 270 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.480 podcasts that you know. I'm changing directions a little bit. 271 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.200 But we'll see. I want to hear from you guys. 272 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:44.919 What is it that I need to be talking about. 273 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.320 Who do I need to be talking to? What do 274 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.559 I need to be digging into you know, listeners supported, well, 275 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.120 listener driven. Give me an idea what you want, and 276 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.840 that's what will make happen. Anyway, it looks like we've 277 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.600 got Jimmy James on the line, so let's see what 278 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:02.639 he's got to say. B Pete, Jimmy, you're live man, 279 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:03.879 what's on your mind this week? 280 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:07.440 H chuck? 281 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:10.200 Thanks? I got my package, picked it up at the 282 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:11.639 post office here today. 283 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.240 Oh good. That was my next question to you is 284 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.080 if you had gotten that package from me, because we've 285 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.440 got troubles getting you packages in the past, man, but 286 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:19.679 you actually got it this time. 287 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:25.240 Yeah, yp for the first time, will second time. I 288 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:29.360 finally got parcels from you and made it from the 289 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:31.360 journey from Georgia to Michigan. 290 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.879 Excellent, excellent. Well, I'm happy because I sent you know, 291 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.240 extra stuff in there and everything. And I've sent you 292 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.720 extra stuff every time, believe it or not, Jimmy, because 293 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.240 I appreciate you, and I appreciate you calling in and 294 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.879 participating and donating and and I'm like appreciative of you. 295 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.159 But some stuff has just simply not made it through 296 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.200 the mail service to you or even back to me. 297 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.720 So I don't know what to say, you know, but 298 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.679 I've sent it every time, I assure you. 299 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:03.240 So, Oh, one thing I said, I learned from the 300 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.879 post guide. There's no point of setting anything by signature 301 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:10.720 anymore because now they just half asked. They only get 302 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.120 a signature at the end point and not all the 303 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:17.320 points in between. Yeah, right, so there's no real trace, right, 304 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.120 So I guess it's just a waste of money. 305 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:21.399 Yeah, it's a total waste of money to attach the 306 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.679 signature thing to it, because I did that one time 307 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.559 with you too, and that's when they said to me. 308 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.120 They gave me the explanation that okay, here's the thing 309 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.360 I sent you books, and then I put one water 310 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:36.440 bottle in the package. And they said, well, because it 311 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.360 wasn't all media mail and it was sent somehow media mail, 312 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:43.200 they probably will return it back to you. I said, okay, 313 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.639 And I waited six months and they never returned it 314 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.240 back to me, and they never delivered it to you, 315 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.679 So I have no idea what happened there. And it 316 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:52.919 was like plus, I asked for a signature, but it 317 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:54.960 never got to you, so you never got to sign 318 00:15:55.000 --> 00:16:00.360 it and it just disappeared. So the only thing to do? 319 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:02.559 There is it? You have assurance? Yeah? Good. 320 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.559 I always assumed that it got sent back to you. 321 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.000 I didn't know it was out there missing. 322 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:13.399 Yeah, missing, completely missing. If I would have gotten it back, 323 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.279 I would have sent it to you once again. But 324 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.480 I never got it back. So you know, I'm like, well, 325 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:20.159 what do you do with this? 326 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.960 Well, other thing I bought it was in today. I 327 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.440 got a copy of the Life magazine copy of the 328 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:30.799 Warren Report. 329 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:33.200 Oh, the Life Magazine. 330 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.720 Version, Yeah, from sixty four. 331 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.840 Okay, okay, I haven't had one of those in a while. 332 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.600 I used to have various copies of it, but I 333 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:45.279 haven't had one of those in a while. What is 334 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:47.440 the difference between the Life Magazine one? I think it 335 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.679 was smaller than the others somehow, wasn't it. 336 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:58.279 Yeah, it's condensed, right, I mean open the thing. It's 337 00:16:58.279 --> 00:16:59.320 in glass. 338 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:05.359 Oh you've got he sealed it up for you so 339 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.880 that it's like a collector's item. 340 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:13.839 Yeah, he's got it like a case. This is like 341 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.759 a little less of thirty books. 342 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.960 Well, yeah, that's a little high price for that. Even 343 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:20.319 I probably could have got you one of those for 344 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:24.720 about twelve. But you know, it's it's strange, And I 345 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:26.640 definitely could have bought one of those for you at 346 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:33.279 Lancer for probably ten without a problem. And another weird 347 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:34.759 thing is that, you know, there was a guy on 348 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:36.680 eBay for a little bit now. He had the Government 349 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.000 Printing Office version, you know, the with the blue binding 350 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:43.799 on it, the hardcover Government Printing Office version from sixty four. 351 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:50.400 And what what was weird about this is that the 352 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.599 guy had it on eBay and thought that he was 353 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.920 going to sell it for something like three thousand dollars. 354 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:57.680 And I took a look at it, like, why in 355 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.480 the hell would you think that a copy of just 356 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.759 the Warren Report, minds you, not the twenty six volumes. 357 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:05.680 You know, if he offered the twenty six volumes for 358 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:10.000 three grand, that's about the right price, right. And there's 359 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.039 actually a guy who's got a whole set of House 360 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.400 Select Committee volumes that is interested in selling them to 361 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.599 me for seven hundred. But I can't get the seven 362 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:20.160 hundred together. I mean, I'm never gonna be able to 363 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.440 assemble that money, but I would love to own them. 364 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:29.680 But anyway, just the Warren Report itself, right, and the 365 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:31.440 reason why this guy's trying to sell it for three 366 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.000 grand is because he opened up the front page and 367 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.160 if you notice, the report has those you know, facsimble 368 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.559 signatures of all the Warren commissioners, right. 369 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.160 Yeah, and what he thought they were real? 370 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.960 He thinks they're real signatures, so he was evaluating it 371 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.480 as if it was real sign Now, look, if you 372 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.119 had Alan Dulles's signature and everybody's signature there, I don't 373 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:56.960 even know if you could get to three grand, but 374 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:58.920 I'm sure you could get easily to half of that 375 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:03.359 fifteen hundred dollars, no problem if they were all certifiably 376 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:08.599 original signatures. Okay, But effectively, all this is a printing 377 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.680 of their signatures. Anybody who has a copy of the 378 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:17.880 of the Government Printing Office Warren Commission just the report. 379 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.480 Anybody who has that copy, I think he turned like 380 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:24.039 two three pages in, you'll see all of their signatures. 381 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:27.440 I know I have one behind me on my bookshelf, 382 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.759 but I might go get it in a minute or so, 383 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:31.920 just to make sure I'm saying what I'm saying is correct. 384 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.400 But I know it's in that volume, and all it 385 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:39.279 is is a reprinting of their signatures. So you know, 386 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.240 and if you were to get even just the Warren 387 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:45.559 Commission Report that is actually signed just by Gerald Ford. 388 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:51.039 That goes for about three hundred dollars just Gerald Ford's signature, 389 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.920 because he signed a special printing of the Warren Commission 390 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:58.920 Report back in what two thousand and three or two 391 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:03.400 thousand and four, somewhere in there he did, Yeah, he did. 392 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.200 Oh my goodness. He was the only one that was probably. 393 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.559 Yeah, he was pretty Earl Warren and Earl Warren's funeral, 394 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.559 he sa donate mets in that report exactly. 395 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:17.359 Earl Warren didn't you want it mentioned and and and generally, 396 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:19.880 even though that's not technically the name of the commission, 397 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:22.839 it is known by that name, the Warren Commission, right, 398 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.680 Earl Warren didn't want to own it. Gerald Ford wanted 399 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.319 to own it. He was happy about it. And like 400 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:33.000 I said, he signed something like I think a thousand 401 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:38.319 copies of special printed Warren Commission Report for the fortieth anniversary. 402 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.319 And yeah, and you could buy those for about three 403 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.839 hundred bucks a pop. And you know, some of them 404 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:48.279 are still selling floating around at retail. They haven't gone 405 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:53.680 up in value even though he died, you know. But yeah, 406 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:58.039 so you know, and that's a presidential signature, So an 407 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:01.599 original presidential what's that? 408 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.160 I just thought it was funny since they didn't go 409 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.319 up and value. Are they depreciating? 410 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.640 No, they're not depreciating. They're they're holding steady, which is 411 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.720 really funny to me because that says something right there. 412 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.160 I mean, even James Lavelle's signature. I mean, if you 413 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.519 take a look at people connected to the Kennedy assassination 414 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:24.119 and you track like the value of their signatures and 415 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:30.160 stuff like, it's really funny. Generally, what happens is, you know, 416 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.319 if they make the news, it goes up. When they 417 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:37.079 die it it goes up by anywhere from thirty percent 418 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.160 to sixty percent. And then as time goes on, you know, 419 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.759 certain people become more and less important. Uh, and you'd 420 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:47.680 be amazed, you know, like, and it's really funny because 421 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.599 a guy like James Tag totally devalued his own signature. 422 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:51.880 Did you know that. 423 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:56.400 I can imagine it because if you sit. 424 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:58.559 Out at an oil all days, sign an ain't thing 425 00:21:58.680 --> 00:21:59.720 for anyone for free? 426 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:01.640 Is it going to be worth money? 427 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:06.279 Well? No, even worse. James Tag, Yeah, he did that 428 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:08.480 kind of stuff. You know, he appeared at you know 429 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.440 some of the conferences, and then he disappeared for a while, right, 430 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:14.680 And you know, he had put out that one book, 431 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:16.960 which was an excellent book, the first book that he 432 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.480 put out about the assassination that he was a witness, 433 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:22.720 and it was basically just his account and he reprinted 434 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:24.799 some of the FBI documents in it and stuff, and 435 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:27.680 it was a really cool book, right. And I have 436 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:30.440 one of them over here, signed and I got one 437 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.359 each from my children signed all kinds of stuff because 438 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:36.319 I was talking to him, and you know, it was 439 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:38.880 just a good thing to get. But here's the thing 440 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.319 that I don't know if he realized it, but he 441 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:45.200 totally devalued his own signature because he was running an 442 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.440 eBay store for a little while, and it was a 443 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.680 JFK Assassination eBay store, and a lot of people didn't 444 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:56.319 know it, but it was James Tagg's eBay store. So 445 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:04.519 you would go on there and buy used JFK books, DVDs, VHS, tapes, photographs, 446 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.680 all kinds of stuff right related to the assassination. A 447 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:10.680 bunch of different things that he had just I don't 448 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:13.079 know where he was getting hold of them from, but 449 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.720 he would apparently collect him up from somewhere and then 450 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:17.559 put him up on eBay and sell them. And that 451 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.519 was like his little side hustle in his later years. 452 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.279 And as he put that, well, but he had his 453 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:30.240 eBay store running and it was pretty successful, Like he 454 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.839 would have hundreds of listings running all the time. Okay, 455 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.400 so he had constant income from it. You can't, you know, look, 456 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.400 I wouldn't begrudge the guy. If I had something like 457 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.559 that that I could constantly market, I wouldn't say I 458 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:46.680 wouldn't do it if I needed money, right, what the hell? 459 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:51.359 But the thing is that he kept including signed pictures 460 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:56.279 like of the arrow where he was standing by the bridge, right, 461 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.200 a black and white picture he would have like one 462 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.240 of those photographic arrows like the strap booking arrows pointing 463 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:05.319 to where he should be standing, and then he would 464 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:09.480 sign his name. And then there were other photographs of 465 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:12.240 himself that he would sign his name to. And he 466 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:15.079 was giving these things to people every time they bought 467 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:19.599 stuff out of his eBay store. So it was like 468 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.359 he must have given away thousands and thousands of his 469 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.960 signature over and over again, plus all the stuff he 470 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.960 signed at conferences, plus the stuff that he signed you know, 471 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:35.559 just for individuals who found him here and there, anybody 472 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.079 who ever interviewed him. If you sat down and talked 473 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.119 to him face to face, he would sign anything he 474 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.000 asked him to. He was very accommodating. But the thing is, 475 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:46.480 at the end of the day, he probably put out 476 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:53.119 ten thousand signatures for nothing, you know. And in some cases, yeah, 477 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.440 he sold them on his eBay store, but he sold 478 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:59.160 them for like three dollars and four dollars for a photograph, 479 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:02.680 so they was either cheap or free. You were constantly 480 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:05.480 getting James Tagg's autographs, plus every one of his books 481 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:09.799 he signed and all that. Now that all happened. And 482 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:14.960 then after that Witness to the Assassination book, he released 483 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.480 another book, and his new book was all about how 484 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.839 he was absolutely convinced from insiders and people he knew 485 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.559 in Texas that Linda Bans Johnson is the sole responsible 486 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.039 party for the assassination. He was an LBJ did it 487 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:31.039 guy and was swearing up and down that that was 488 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:34.319 absolutely the truth. This and that and that book came 489 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:38.039 out and around the time he started arguing with anybody 490 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:42.119 who said anything any different in the research community, and 491 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.559 as a matter of fact, very famously had a nasty 492 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.680 meltdown on me personally because he said, you know, Linda 493 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:50.359 Johnson's the man who did it, and blah blah blah, 494 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.119 and he gives me all these things, and he starts 495 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.200 telling me about you know, Matdeline Duncan Brown and how 496 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.680 she's telling the whole world the truth and nobody will 497 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.359 listened to her. And I said, James, you know, I 498 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.480 gotta tell you, I'm sorry. I'm not on board with this. 499 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:06.279 You know, I don't buy it. And I know that 500 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.839 Madeline Duncan Brown's full of craft, you know, because you 501 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.759 know she she lied to a lot of people about 502 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.720 a lot of things. And I'm not just saying about 503 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.880 the assassination. She was a little She was a hustler. 504 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.559 Even at the end of her life, she was facing 505 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.799 criminal prosecution for check forgeries and stuff because she was 506 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:29.640 always connon people. Yeah, she was connon. Who was that? 507 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:31.359 Who was that cap? 508 00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:34.440 She was dating right before the old cap? 509 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:38.240 Oh you know what, I'm not sure who she was dating, 510 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.759 but she was around a bunch of those guys, yeah, 511 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.759 retired law enforcement guys. 512 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.519 Yeah, he looked just like your seventy Sam. 513 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.119 Yes, I know who you're talking about. But I don't 514 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.279 think he was anybody of consequence. He was just one 515 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.880 of the guys that was around her. And then there 516 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.200 were a couple of researchers that like tried to sit 517 00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:57.799 her down and do a couple of like you know, 518 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.319 final interviews with her when she was getting really old there, 519 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.400 and those interviews were totally pathetic. I mean, she couldn't 520 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.440 even remember her own bs. You know, they're sitting there 521 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.440 trying to remind her of the extra Well didn't you 522 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.559 say that, you know what was it? Jajegar Hoover was 523 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:17.839 actually at the party. Oh yeah, yeah, he was there too, 524 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.279 Like she forgot Jaeger Hoover was at the party all 525 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.559 of a sudden. You know the party. 526 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.440 Yeah, that party got an awful, awful bit towards the end. 527 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:28.640 I mean what everyone a government? 528 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.519 Yeah, well after a while, I mean you needed what 529 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.039 a couple of American legion holes to hold all these 530 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:36.200 guys there. I mean, there was too many people, and 531 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.960 plus there was a bunch of people she was saying 532 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:41.519 that had to be there like the day before the assassination, 533 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:47.240 that we know where they were. So you know, like 534 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:50.599 it's really bizarre. If you've got you know, jajeg Ar 535 00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.759 Hoover leaving at three o'clock in the morning to get 536 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.079 from Texas to DC, and he was seen, you know, 537 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:01.880 right and ready at six am in DC. It's a 538 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.880 little tough to get him on a plane back to 539 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.599 DC and back in place, fully dressed and you know, 540 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.200 without being disheveled, tired or anything else, and operating for 541 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.880 the rest of the day. That was problem number one 542 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:16.599 I found. But then there were a bunch of people 543 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.119 that she said, oh, this person was here or there, 544 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:24.000 and they were actually noted and seen and surveilled outside 545 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.519 of the country, you know, so they weren't in Texas, 546 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.079 and I mean they weren't necessarily. 547 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.440 Yeah, I do believe her core story about having a 548 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.759 kid with that guy. 549 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:37.559 I believe that. 550 00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.839 I do too, No, I see. But that's the thing 551 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.079 is when you've got somebody who's involved in things and 552 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.759 has a half truth, you know, or a partial truth 553 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.400 to share, and then they embellish it after a while, 554 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:54.880 you know, you almost lose interest in the core piece 555 00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:58.480 that was real. I'm certain that her son was, you know, 556 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.680 Lyndon Johnson's on, but also she wasn't quite you know, 557 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.079 the the exclusive mistress of LBJ. He was banging anything 558 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.920 he could and would. 559 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.039 The whole Secretary school. Yeah, the whole Secretary. 560 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.000 School exactly, the whole secretary pool. You know, chicks every 561 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.680 town he went to or whatever. I mean, as much 562 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.240 as much that was available to him. He was taking it. Okay. 563 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.640 It wasn't like he was, Oh, I have my great 564 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.759 mistress love over here. She was just one of many 565 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.599 chicks and happened to get knocked up and uh, you know, 566 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.359 but anyway, the rest of it outside, once you get 567 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.440 outside of that story and you get outside of you know, 568 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.000 maybe she knew some of these famous people. Oh you know, 569 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.559 did she know you know, these power brokers and oil 570 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:47.400 men and probably you know, probably, But once you get 571 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.880 past that and you get into specifics and this, you know, 572 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:54.200 assassination party and all that, you lose me. You know. 573 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.799 It was basically I even believe the part where she 574 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:01.880 says that LBG says, well, I won't have those damn 575 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.279 Kenned you boys to worry about anymore. 576 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.480 I'm sure he said. I'm sure he did say it. 577 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:07.319 Afterwards. 578 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.279 See now he might have said something like that again, yes, 579 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.480 is he and I agree with you? Is that something 580 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.119 like that was probably said afterwards, Hey, that's all done. 581 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.799 I feel good about it. You know, he was probably 582 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.559 in a celebratory mood until he realized, you know, that 583 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.160 that he wasn't going to get to do what he 584 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.240 wanted to do exactly, you know what I'm saying, Like, 585 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.119 you know, he was happy at first because he wasn't 586 00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.880 going to get prosecuted for the insurance scams and the 587 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.519 you know, defrauding the US government with the oil excuse me, 588 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.480 the cotton allotments and you know, getting tax credits for 589 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.680 unusable land that you know, and all this other garbage. 590 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:46.799 That I was doing. 591 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.680 Yeah, that was That was the weird thing that that 592 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:57.000 that stupid fake fingerprint had me fooled. I was an 593 00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:01.920 LBGA man myself twenty some years ago. I couldn't explain 594 00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:05.119 away that fingerprint till Professor Mellen did. And then I 595 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.400 was like, well then all of the rest of it 596 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:08.640 can be explained away. 597 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.319 Well there you go, you know. But anyway, and that 598 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:14.440 was the whole thing that was the big argument with 599 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:16.920 Jim tag And I'll tell you I was thinking about 600 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.759 Jim Tak just this week because I happen to watch 601 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.519 something with Robert Groden on it, right, And I'm not 602 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.400 going to mention the show he was on. I don't 603 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.559 even want to give these guys a drip drop of 604 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.200 promotion or anything else. But they're annoying to me because 605 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.920 they obviously don't know exactly what they're talking about. And 606 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.839 you know, happy for your success. If you can make 607 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.839 a success out of creating podcasts or YouTube or whatever, 608 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.640 you know what, all for you, man. I don't care 609 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.720 if you're out there doing game plays or you know, 610 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.480 if you're making your own cartoons, or if you're just 611 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.519 sitting there doing movie reviews on YouTube or on a podcast, 612 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.559 More power to you. I'm happy for you. You know, let 613 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.480 us create real, organic media, created by real people so 614 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.319 that the corporations don't you know, decide every single thing 615 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.960 that's on the menu. More power to you. But when 616 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.240 I see these guys idiotically, you know, not questioning a 617 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.480 whole lot of nonsense, and you know, and and sort 618 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.920 of cozying up to only you know, the big rock 619 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.160 stars sort of of the of the particular media thing 620 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.640 they're into, you know, only getting close to the big 621 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:34.319 names and the JFK community, and they advertise themselves as 622 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.640 you know, only the big names in the JFK community 623 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.240 want to talk to us, you know this kind of thing. 624 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.680 Right when I listen to that and I see Bob 625 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:45.559 Goroden on there, and I say to myself, well, you 626 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.720 know what more people need to hear from Bob Goroden 627 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.240 because some of the core stuff that Bob Roden has 628 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:55.480 to talk about is absolutely essential and is priceless. And 629 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:59.680 this guy actually participated in history because he had been, 630 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:04.559 you know, there to testify to the Rockefeller Commission, right 631 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.519 and part of his testimony to the Rockefeller Commission, and 632 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.279 his showing the Zubruder film on first on local TV 633 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:16.400 in Los Angeles and then nationally on Auraldo Rivera's show. 634 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.400 That was actually the second time it was shown on 635 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.720 TV in the US, but that was the first time 636 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.960 it was shown nationally. Just by him doing those things 637 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.480 right there, the man participated in history, the creation of 638 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.319 the House Select Committee on Assassinations, the interest that would 639 00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:36.640 snowball later, and the participation in the Oliver Stone film 640 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.720 that would snowball again later that literally led to the 641 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:44.720 creation of the AARRB. All connected through guess what. Bob 642 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.039 Groden is present at all these events and is part 643 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.960 of the motivating factor part of the presentation that got 644 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.559 people thinking. So you got to say to yourself that 645 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.160 not only his treatment of and stabilization of the Zubruder 646 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:03.039 film is something that if you think the jfk assassination 647 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:07.519 was important, this man is a key figure in making 648 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.840 sure that it didn't just disappeared down the memory hole, 649 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.760 in making sure that the visual record of it was 650 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.960 forever etched in our brains. And some of us are 651 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.599 way past sick of seeing the Zabruder film because you know, 652 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.679 how many other pieces of film can you think of 653 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.760 in your lifetime? Right, I mean, nobody would even watch pornography, 654 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.159 the best pornography in the world that many times. I 655 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:33.280 don't think the amount of times that you and I 656 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.320 say I watched the Zabruder film is probably astronomical in 657 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.599 number that twenty some odd seconds of film. Right, Well, 658 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:48.159 he's responsible for access to that. Okay. That said, Bob 659 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:52.880 has really bad ideas about a couple of things, and 660 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.119 I mean I want to try and help him understand 661 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.840 that he's got some bad ideas. But at the same 662 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:01.280 time time, I don't want to be seen as the 663 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.320 guy attacking a guy who I think makes some of 664 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:08.119 the greatest points, has made some of the greatest points, 665 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.519 and has been again a key figure in the progress 666 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:17.840 necessary to keep people engaged with the Kennedy assassination even 667 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.480 as an issue. But the problem is, Yeah, that's. 668 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.559 The thing that some of these old timers. 669 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:26.079 You're right. 670 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:31.360 I mean, let's face it, Oliver Stone is Oliver Stone. 671 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:32.800 We are not. 672 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.719 We can't do the things he can do. 673 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.639 True, But here's the thing about Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone 674 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.840 doesn't know jack about ninety percent of the things that 675 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.920 you and I know about his knowledge. 676 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.599 Indeed, he keeps listening to Jimmy d. 677 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.000 Yeah, well, but there you go. Jim Dey Eugenio obviously 678 00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:01.679 clearly is much more educated on every variety of topic 679 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:06.000 in the subject matter than Oliver Stone. I mean, at 680 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.800 a snap, any direction you want to go with, okay, 681 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.400 even when it comes to the film, even when it 682 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.440 comes to the film. Yeah, good. 683 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:17.760 I was just gonna. 684 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.239 Say, you know, Oliver Stone does a good job playing dumb. 685 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.480 He was a Harvard professor for like many years. No, 686 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:31.239 if you've got more degrees than and like a photographic memory, 687 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.840 he plays dumb, but he's not watch them watch him, 688 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:36.000 watch them. 689 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.559 No, I'm well aware. I'm well aware of that. But 690 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:44.400 at the same time, even the most sophisticated, educated whatever whatever, 691 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.480 you know. I made this point years and years ago 692 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.079 when I was a kid, and I and I and 693 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.039 this point will forever stick with me. You know, there 694 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.159 were these guys that were doctors, that that were lawyers, 695 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.440 that were you know, professionals of certain types, that were 696 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.559 you know, involved in sophisticated computer technology and stuff like that, 697 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.039 that lived in New Jersey, believe it or not, because 698 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:10.760 they didn't want to live in New York and their 699 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:12.880 business was done in New York, but they you know, 700 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.719 actually kept their home and their family in Jersey, you know, 701 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.920 stuff like that. And they would have to get an 702 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:25.239 idiot street kid like me to come in and set 703 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.280 up their home theater systems. They would have to get 704 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.000 a kid like me to come in and do stuff 705 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.599 like that. They had no concept of how to run 706 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:40.119 sound from you know, the television to the amplifier to 707 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:44.920 this to the speakers. No clue. They would have no idea, Oh, 708 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.119 a plug doesn't fit. We can't make this happen. It 709 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.760 doesn't come right out of the box fully assembled. They 710 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.599 don't know anything they barely know how to turn the 711 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.960 key on their own cars, so they go to somebody 712 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.280 else who again is not necessarily harder than me, but 713 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.800 has a base of knowledge as a mechanic, and you know, 714 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.360 maybe they find out why their car doesn't turn over. 715 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.840 Although when your doctor, lawyer, et cetera, you don't really 716 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:12.840 have to do that because usually you just get another one. 717 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.039 You know, no big deal that one no longer works. 718 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.519 Get another house is no longer good, buy another wife 719 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.639 is kind of looking worn out, Let's get a new one. Whatever, Right, 720 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.840 I like that. But when they would get a house, 721 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.480 let me finish, Let me finish the point here. Let 722 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:35.880 me just finish the long winded point. If you don't mind, 723 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.480 then I'll shut up and let you and be Pete 724 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.119 run with this. But the long winded point is this, 725 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.599 they would have a brand new, you know, extremely expensive. 726 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.840 I'm not talking about a couple of hundred dollars worth 727 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.599 of stuff that you set up in your living room, 728 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.360 but I mean, like, you know, five grand worth of 729 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.199 equipment that they would want to set up in their 730 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.639 media room. First time I ever heard that expression in 731 00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.639 their media room, so that they had a home theater 732 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.800 experience okay, which meant that they wanted the THHX theaters, 733 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.079 the round sound to be set up. And this is 734 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.280 something we used to be able to do. Set it 735 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.400 up so that if you were in a scene in 736 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.719 a movie, you practically felt like when somebody put a 737 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.519 cup down on a table, it was literally being put 738 00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.719 down on that table in front of you, and you 739 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.000 could see things as clear as the technology allowed for 740 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.039 at that time, I mean as crystal clear as possible, 741 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.000 better than what you could see in any given movie 742 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.519 theater that the rest of us schmucks would have to 743 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.119 go to to go see this thing projected on a 744 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.079 giant screen, and these guys would have a screen that 745 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.719 was you know, let's go with the eighty inch kind 746 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:49.400 of measurement, okay, So imagine an eighty inch or a 747 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.039 screen that takes up most of a wall in a 748 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:57.800 nice den of a not small house, but a larger house, 749 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.440 and this screen takes up significant amount of the wall 750 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.039 so that a crowd of people could easily view every 751 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.079 single part of that screen. Right, and the sound quality, 752 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:11.199 you're not asking what the guy just said, because everything 753 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.119 is crystal clear. If you set these things up properly, right, 754 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.719 these guys didn't know how to plug anything in. They 755 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.239 didn't even understand how some things might require batteries and 756 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:28.960 other things might require electrical outlets in order to what run. 757 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.800 They would bring a guy like me in and say, 758 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:36.239 can you sort this pile of stuff out? So a 759 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.039 guy who's you know, on his best day. Back then 760 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.000 in the nineteen eighties, if I found a job for 761 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:44.519 five dollars, I thought I was rich, you know, five 762 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:49.760 dollars an hour. So a five dollar hour in nineteen 763 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:56.320 eighty seven, eighty six five bucks an hour wasn't bad, right, Hell, 764 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:58.679 you know what when I got when I went and 765 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:04.039 did my stack as a mall Santa Claus, okay, and 766 00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:06.199 I was I was one of those guys that you know, 767 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.960 you go and you get your pictures taken with with 768 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.239 the kids. Do they do that anymore? Be beating the 769 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.239 malls with the with the Santa Claus and take your 770 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.760 picture with a kid? Do you know about that? 771 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.800 Yeah, a certain places they do. You know, we're kind 772 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:20.920 of losing that on malls. 773 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.920 But a lot of big box stores will have a 774 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:25.559 special appearance of Santa Claus. 775 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.400 Oh, big box stores. Okay, But back then it seemed 776 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.320 like every kind of store that had a large amount 777 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:35.039 of space almost always created a Christmas village. And of 778 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.280 course you go and pay, but you go and pay 779 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.599 and you can get nice photographs sent home. You know, 780 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.840 nobody's snapping pictures with their phone. Which is probably the 781 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.440 thing that actually killed that business, is that go sit 782 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.079 on Santa's lap. I'll take a quick picture of my phone. 783 00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.039 Because back then you had to actually pay them to 784 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:54.320 make a polaroid. And even though a polaroid at retail 785 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.280 level costs a dollar a picture to make, they charge 786 00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.199 you ten bucks and they put it in a cardboard 787 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:05.000 frame and here you go, Merry Christmas. Right, memories last forever. Well, 788 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.079 I was one of those Santas in let's see now 789 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.199 it would be and let's see go back nineteen nineteen 790 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:16.360 eighty nine, in Night Christmas of eighty nine, I was 791 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.400 a mall Santa and they paid me, ready for this, 792 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:25.199 seven dollars and fifty cents an hour. And tell you 793 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:29.119 the truth, that was like a damn fortune in nineteen 794 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:33.159 eighty nine to get paid that. You know. The only 795 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.920 trouble was actually good, Yeah, the only trouble was I 796 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.039 actually had to sit there for nine hours be in 797 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.599 Santa Claus. But I had to put on you know, 798 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:45.079 the pillowed you know, almost like a fat suit, but 799 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.880 like a cheap fat suit, and you know, velvet, velvet 800 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:55.320 type of cloth, red Santa outfit right, the big hat great, 801 00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:57.679 you know, white beard hanging all the way down, but 802 00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.280 it's strapped behind your head. And there was like a 803 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.400 skull cap to keep my hair back because my hair 804 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:06.239 was long, longer than than it is now, and stuff 805 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.559 like that. And they put rouge on your face and white. 806 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.679 They also took this white stuff and put in my eyebrows, 807 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.039 and you know, it take days to get it off 808 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.000 my face and all out of my hair and everything. 809 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.519 But seven fifteen hour for a seventeen year old kid 810 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:26.039 in a late eighties, you know, New Jersey pretty damn good. 811 00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.599 As a matter of fact, if I could have maintained 812 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:29.159 that job, I could have gotten my own place in 813 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:33.559 a matter of a couple of weeks. So anyway, but 814 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:35.840 I didn't, not right away, not then. I got it 815 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.960 shortly after that, when I got a more steady job. 816 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.079 Because here's the problem. New Year's comes, they don't need 817 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.400 Santa no more. But anyway, even back when I was 818 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:48.360 doing mal Sanna and stuff like that. These people were 819 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.079 more than happy to hand me one hundred dollars bill 820 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.239 if I could show up, and even if it took 821 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.880 me twenty minutes to set up their stuff, okay, and 822 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.559 another twenty minutes to test their stuff, one hundred dollars 823 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.679 bill they were happy to give me. Plus you know, 824 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.599 take a six pack or whatever. There is the drink 825 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.239 in the fridge, and you know, do you want lunch. 826 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.119 These guys were happy because they had no clue, not 827 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.360 even clue number one, about how to handle one of 828 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:25.239 their little toys. And inevitably, while I was there, then 829 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.840 the wife or the housekeeper would come by and guess 830 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.119 what they would be asking me, and the housekeeper might 831 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.079 have a shot at it, but the wife never did. 832 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.039 They'd be asking me if I knew how to set 833 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:42.239 up the electronic parts of their kitchen stuff. We got 834 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.559 a stove, you can program it, but you got to 835 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.360 set it up. We don't know how to set it up. 836 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.159 We got a microwave oven, We don't know how to 837 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.800 hell it works. They had microwave ovens that you could 838 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:59.199 make all your presets for and then you could choose 839 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.760 to create a button on the front for like, okay, 840 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:06.840 here's an instant thing. Popcorn generally had a timer on it, 841 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.800 and if you bought the same kind of popcorn all 842 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.039 the time, you know, the microwave popcorn in a bag. 843 00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.400 At one point it was sort of like, this takes 844 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.079 two minutes or this takes you know, two and a 845 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.199 quarter minutes or whatever, and it should pop the entire bag. Now, 846 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.800 there were other methods described on the boxes. But the 847 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.559 thing is some people had microwaves that already had a 848 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.000 button on it that said popcorn. Well, some of these 849 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.440 rich ones, you could actually make a digital message come 850 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.880 up on the little screen that if you touched the button, 851 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.039 it would say popcorn, and then you could choose to 852 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.280 press the button, which would make it cook popcorn by 853 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.519 the ascribe time. And supposedly it changed the settings in 854 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:50.880 the microwave too. That was the other thing. You know. 855 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:52.920 You could use a microwave to thaw things out, or 856 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:54.880 you could use a microwave to cook things, or you 857 00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.840 could use and some of them were actually combo ovens 858 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.199 where you had a confect or oven combined with the 859 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.840 microwave oven. So these guys who had the money would 860 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.679 buy the top of the line thing, have no idea 861 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.800 how to set it up, and then whether it was 862 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.199 them or their wives or whoever was going to operate it, 863 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.119 had no idea how to operate it. So I could 864 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:20.639 literally go from room to room in a doctor's house 865 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.639 or a dentist's house, or a lawyer's house a lot 866 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.039 of times, and I didn't own any of these things. 867 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.840 I just had a general idea about the logic on that, 868 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.840 or a VCR or that was the other thing, taking 869 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.000 some of the older things that they had that they 870 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.920 still wanted to keep even though they had a top 871 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.719 of the line. Let's just say they bought a VCR 872 00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:44.559 in the mid eighties. That wasn't the two hundred dollars 873 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.159 or three hundred dollars VCR that you or I would 874 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.000 have bought. They got the ones that you know, have 875 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:54.079 no English on them whatsoever, but are absolutely top of 876 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.480 the line, beautiful. You could make broadcast quality images appear 877 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.679 on a screen. But they were made in other countries. 878 00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.000 They weren't made in America. They didn't even have American 879 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.559 names on them, or even recognizable brand names on them. 880 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:11.079 To me, so you can't read the language and figure 881 00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:12.960 it out. You sort of had to know the logic 882 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:17.880 of the of the appliance. So I would go and 883 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.800 set up their VCR to work, along with their laser 884 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.760 disc player to work, along with the choice that they 885 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:27.880 had to project. Instead of using a standard TV screen, 886 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:32.360 they could project onto a standard screen which was a 887 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:36.599 slab or a cloth kind of thing that was, you know, 888 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:41.880 specially designed to be an in home movie screen. And 889 00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.840 the movie screen wasn't something where you know, it was 890 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.599 like barely you know, it's like, oh, this is kind 891 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:49.559 of crappy, like looking at the home movies from the 892 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.920 sixties or seventies or fifties. No, this was like projecting 893 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.880 on a smaller scale, exactly the same kind of thing 894 00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:02.480 you would see in a good movie theater somewhere. But 895 00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:04.519 they would have this stuff, and then they would have 896 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.239 some of the older versions. They would have brand new things, 897 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.719 and they had no idea how to make any of 898 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.239 them work. So anytime they moved or required new stuff, 899 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.920 they had to go get somebody like me who would 900 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.079 never own any of these things, but would somehow know 901 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.360 how to make them work, to set it up for them, 902 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.000 and thusly they would pay. Like I said, if you 903 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.639 think about it, they're paying me, and I'm looking for 904 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.239 a five dollar an hour job. You know, in a dream, 905 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.320 I'll probably get four dollars, but I'm looking for a 906 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.480 five dollar an hour job. So even on a good 907 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.039 day for me getting work somewhere, it would take me 908 00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:45.960 twenty hours to get to that one hundred dollars before 909 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.119 the taxman sees it, right, and then the taxman will 910 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.079 see it, and it won't be one hundred dollars, but 911 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.159 twenty hours of my life could be the thing I 912 00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:57.440 would have to sell to get that, and I would get, 913 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.559 you know, one hundred and twenty five dollar dollars worth, 914 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.840 because between the drinks and the you know, and and 915 00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.199 and the lunch and you know, and the cash, it 916 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.000 maybe comes up to about one hundred and twenty five 917 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.840 dollars altogether. Really, I would get about one hundred and 918 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.079 twenty five dollars worth of value and do forty five 919 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.559 minutes worth of work if I knew what I was doing, 920 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.559 and if I didn't, it still didn't take that much longer. 921 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.880 So because I could just figure it out, these guys 922 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:32.360 couldn't figure stuff like that out. So later on I 923 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.760 discovered that, you know, when I had no money at all. 924 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.199 And I wasn't around anybody who had any money, but 925 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.800 I heard stories of the same kind of thing going 926 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.199 on with these guys who were rich, guys who were 927 00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.760 you know, had you know, the great elevated jobs that 928 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.920 are you know, way way high paid, and all that 929 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.039 they would have computer systems in their house, they needed 930 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.679 somebody to come in and make it so that they 931 00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:56.840 could just hand it to them in full working order 932 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.760 to begin with. So they would have to have somebody 933 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:01.280 come And how do you show me how to get 934 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:03.599 the computer on the internet? How do you show me 935 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:05.159 how to make it so that I don't want the 936 00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.519 crap screen that came with it. I bought a whole 937 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.880 another brand new screen. How do we make this work? 938 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.639 How do you make my plasma TV work? I have 939 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.800 a plasma TV. Anybody remember plasma TV's. They were like 940 00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:21.639 the rage item per a minute, right, Plasma TV, plasma TV? 941 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.239 How do I put the plasma TV with my computer? Now? 942 00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.280 How do I make it so that everything comes together 943 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.280 on the one screen. Today you have smart TV's, But 944 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:34.880 for a while there that required a bunch of different appliances, 945 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:39.119 didn't it anyway? How did they learn how to How 946 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.960 did they learn how to operate them, How did they 947 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:42.960 learn how to set them up? How did they know 948 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.000 what the hell even they had bought? They never did. 949 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.519 They had to have some porschmuck come in who could 950 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.599 function on that level and figure those things out. And 951 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:56.880 that's my point about this. When you know, when you say, oh, 952 00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:01.440 Oliver Stone's a brilliant guy, listen, he might know everything 953 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.679 there is to know about film. He might know I'm 954 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.039 not going to say history, but let's choose something else. 955 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.800 He might know everything there is to know about art. 956 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:11.960 Maybe he's got a degree in art. Matter of fact, 957 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:17.400 I think he does have some sort of degree in art. Okay, 958 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.760 he's got honorary degrees, he's got degrees coming out as wazoo. 959 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.039 But what does he actually know about certain things? He 960 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:35.639 has zero idea about some of the less than academic issues. 961 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.960 He might know everything there is to know about art, 962 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.519 but could he even remotely come close to telling you, 963 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.880 even explaining to you verbally, how to paint a picture? 964 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.400 I mean seriously, like literally, what kind of paint do 965 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.480 you use? Where would you acquire it? How would you 966 00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.119 apply it is? Do you use a brush? Do you 967 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:03.039 use a sponge? Do you use your fingers, Oliver Stone, 968 00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:08.039 I'm almost promising you knows about as much about that 969 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:12.400 as a kid who can fix his bicycle knows about 970 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:20.039 how to fix your prius, okay, or your What are 971 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.960 those toaster cars called again? Uh? The toaster box like 972 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:30.800 you have a BP. Oh, the Kia Kea, the Kia Soul. 973 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.079 That's the I always think of that I called the 974 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.920 toaster box or the or the hamster car. 975 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.400 They look like the old paddy wagons. 976 00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.880 Well, no, I don't think they look like a paddy wagon. No, no, No, 977 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.480 you're thinking of maybe a PT Cruiser. Maybe it looks 978 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:48.920 like a paddy wagon, you know, the updated PT cruisers. 979 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.119 No, I got one of those. 980 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:54.559 You got one of those? That's what I was thinking. 981 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.599 But the PG Cruiser. No, no, the Kia Soul. Remember the 982 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.159 the car commercial I don't know, fifteen years ago now, 983 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.719 probably where the Gerbils or hamsters were dancing all together, 984 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.639 the giant Gerbils. They were dancing together driving the Kia. 985 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:10.920 Soul Hamsters non durables. 986 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:16.760 Okay, sorry, my mistake, Hamster hamsters, not Gerbils. Because he 987 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.960 definitely doesn't want to be associated anything related to the 988 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.960 animals that might occasionally make trips up you know, certain 989 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:28.360 people's Hershey highways. But the thing is that the Kia Soul, right, 990 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:31.519 you know something like that. Yeah, I might know everything 991 00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.639 about how to make a mongoose Okay, and I do 992 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.800 mean a bicycle a mongoose. I might know everything about 993 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.480 how to make that thing run smoother than goose crap 994 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.280 through a tin horn or whatever they used to say. Right, 995 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.480 doesn't mean I know anything about the Kia Soul, and 996 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.519 vice versa. Even if I knew everything about how to 997 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.360 make a Kia soul per baby per and last, you know, 998 00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.320 an extra two hundred thousand miles above what everybody else 999 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.679 gets out of their kisol, And I knew everything about 1000 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:09.039 the maintenance, every little in out, positive, negative, etc. And 1001 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.559 you hand me a bicycle, You may not be handing 1002 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.519 the bicycle to the right guy, because I might know 1003 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.199 nothing about how to make that bicycle run, except it'll 1004 00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.639 make sense to me to put the chain on thisprocket. 1005 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:26.239 What I'm saying to you is that Oliver Stone has 1006 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:31.679 some knowledge. Not an idiot, but he pretty much gets 1007 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.480 handed that mongoose when he knows how to run a 1008 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:38.039 kisol and he knows how to maintain it knows everything 1009 00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.519 about that. You hand the mongoose and he goes, duh, 1010 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.159 put chain on sprucket. Looks like it works in the 1011 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.880 same place. These parts seem to fit into these parts, 1012 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.199 and he'll go no further. I mean, on the most 1013 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.320 friendly level. I'll tell you this, Professor Joan Mellen. I've 1014 00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:58.079 had some interesting ins and outs of her, and I 1015 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:03.400 haven't talked about them all together publicly, but it's been 1016 00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:06.679 really weird on occasion, and I have an affection for her. 1017 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.480 I used to live near her. I used to check 1018 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.599 on her after natural disasters would tear through our common 1019 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.679 area where we lived, not near each other exactly, but 1020 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:19.920 not very far from one another either, and I used 1021 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.559 to call her up, how did you get through the storm? 1022 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:27.000 Are you okay? Anyway? Joan Mellen, I would consider to 1023 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:31.039 be one of the most intelligent authors to ever write 1024 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.360 on the jfk assassination. I would consider to be an 1025 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:40.360 excellent writer in general. She taught at Temple University. She 1026 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.760 was a professor teaching you how to write. Okay, at Temple. 1027 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.679 This was her profession. She was good at it, she 1028 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:54.880 did it well. Okay, However, you asked this woman. You know, 1029 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.760 I invited her onto my show in twenty fourteen only 1030 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.960 because I couldn't get her on in twenty thirteen when 1031 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.280 I started. But I had a way to figure it 1032 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:07.880 out in twenty fourteen and I was going to go live. 1033 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:10.440 I chose her to be the first guest I ever 1034 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:14.880 had on a live Internet broadcast. And you know what, 1035 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:19.559 even though Joan Mellon had a Skype account, she had 1036 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:21.920 no idea how to get into her Skype account, how 1037 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:25.039 to use the Skype, how to utilize the mic. Now, 1038 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:29.320 this is something so commonplace. I've seen, you know, four 1039 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:35.760 year olds deal with Skype and set up Zoom and 1040 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:41.159 other things. Because in our current digital world, in our 1041 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:47.119 current existence, during the you know, COVID exercise, all of that, 1042 00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:52.239 guess what was going on? Then everybody and their mother 1043 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.320 picked up how do you run these things so that 1044 00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.679 we can have meetings, so we can have a face 1045 00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.000 to face, so I can snapchat you, so I can 1046 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.000 stipe you, so I can have a zoom meeting with 1047 00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.880 you and the family and or business or what. It 1048 00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.599 didn't matter. Everybody and their mother learned how to do this. 1049 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.679 I'm telling you this right now as brilliant as Joan 1050 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:14.599 ever was, as brilliant as she is or is not 1051 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:18.599 now is irrelevant. She as smart as she was in 1052 00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:21.920 the areas that I knew she was brilliant in. Plus, 1053 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.159 let's not forget as a biographer. That's a skill set 1054 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.119 as well. She's an excellent biographer. And I don't just 1055 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:32.119 say this because of JFK. She wrote a biography on 1056 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.679 Bobby Knight, the basketball coach. She wrote other biographies. Hell, 1057 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:41.039 if I could afford the commission any biographer at a 1058 00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:43.960 certain point, and I wanted to write my own life story, 1059 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.280 or I had the ins and outs of somebody else's 1060 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.079 in my hands, and I wanted to choose somebody who 1061 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:57.599 would properly immortalize another person via a biography. I would 1062 00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.639 ask Joan Mellon, Maybe not today because she's grown tired 1063 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:06.000 and things like that, and after her catfishing book and experience, 1064 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.960 I don't know where her mind would be at today. 1065 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:12.760 But if you would have asked me that question ten, twelve, fifteen, 1066 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:17.760 twenty years ago, let me think harder twenty five years 1067 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.960 ago now, actually, if I want to think hard about it, 1068 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:21.639 because I was talking to her when she was writing 1069 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.920 a Farewell to Justice that's when I first started talking 1070 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.039 to Joan Mellon. I would tell you, hands down, that's 1071 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:33.920 the writer to go to. Doesn't matter. She's a woman, 1072 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.599 she's this, she's that, she's what. Nope, that's the writer 1073 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:42.400 to go to. If you care about generating a biography 1074 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.639 that matters, that will be done properly, and that will 1075 00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:53.320 not shy away from significant facts. This is the woman 1076 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.960 to go to. And not just again, not just because 1077 00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.320 she's a woman. This is the writer to go to. Period. 1078 00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.480 That's coming from a world where you know, quite honestly, 1079 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.400 female authors in the JFK case have always been almost 1080 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.440 automatically partially marginalized. That's the true thing. I'm not mister 1081 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.000 social justice warrior on this, it's just the reality. You 1082 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:18.519 have to know that without some sort of assistance and 1083 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:25.280 support from others, I've never seen a female author actually, 1084 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.840 and I mean like strikeout on her own and on 1085 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:33.039 her own merits even create a fairly decent amount of 1086 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:37.239 success in the JFK literature in general. 1087 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:38.599 I could sick of one. 1088 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:40.440 You can, and who would that be? 1089 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:48.599 That woman's Meyer? The work to the un Sylphia, Sylvia Meyers. 1090 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.880 You know what, yes, stole you stole. You stole the 1091 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.679 second half of what I was going to say. I 1092 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:56.760 was going to throw in and I want to see 1093 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.039 if you got it. But you're right, that is the 1094 00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:05.519 own one. She came in on her own, presented her 1095 01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.519 stuff and put it out there. And what was she 1096 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.480 before that? She was a secretary, a secretary at the 1097 01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:18.519 un So there's her background. She had to have the 1098 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.360 organizational skills to pull things together. And what did she do. 1099 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:26.719 She created that index that was the big thing, and 1100 01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:33.400 then accessories after the fact. But she's the only female 1101 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.039 author to come in and absolutely stand on her work 1102 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.800 at all and become you know, recognized as one of 1103 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.000 the responsible, as one of the good ones, as a 1104 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.440 great contributor to the literature, et cetera, all that stuff 1105 01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:53.239 on her own. Sylvia Marr is the only one. Sometimes 1106 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.400 people mispronounce it the way they read it and they 1107 01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:01.639 call her meager, but no, it's Sylvia Marr. Uh, you know, 1108 01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:04.920 so much so that even Mark Lane would have to, 1109 01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:09.440 even with his you know, interesting ego trap he had going, 1110 01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.079 would have to acknowledge that she was absolutely responsible as 1111 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:17.559 a forerunner as a you know, as an establisher of 1112 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:25.320 the modern you know, of the postmodern uh historical literary area, 1113 01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:29.760 that is the JFK assassination literature in general, and even 1114 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:37.559 her contribution in a wider regard concerning just simply post 1115 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:45.639 modern historical literature, which in essence I believe was begun 1116 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:47.719 with the Rise of the Fall of the Third Reich. 1117 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:51.639 Where again Professor Rodger Remington used to make this point 1118 01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:54.960 to me that you know that effectively, that was the 1119 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:58.320 only time in which uh and that was one of 1120 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.159 the first times in which there was the acceptance of 1121 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:06.159 a piece of literature regarding significant historical events that had 1122 01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:11.880 occurred less than seventy five years prior. And that was 1123 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:13.360 so that. 1124 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:16.960 Do you know what the copyright is for that book? 1125 01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:17.639 We here. 1126 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:21.880 Off the top of my head, I don't go ahead, 1127 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:22.559 what is it? 1128 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.440 This is the Rise of Fall of the Third Reiche. 1129 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:33.960 And interestingly enough, it was published in nineteen forty four. Yes, huh, 1130 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.519 I thought we're end in forty five. 1131 01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:42.400 Well see, now here we go. This was something that 1132 01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.239 was now what was a copywritten orten? Now was the release? 1133 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:47.960 You know? Was it? You know? 1134 01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:52.400 Along with they didn't release it's a way after. But 1135 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:56.599 interestingly enough, it was began in forty four. I just thought, 1136 01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:57.880 huh interesting. 1137 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.360 Well, if it was copywritten, then that means that it 1138 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:04.239 had to have been submitted to the Copyright Office by 1139 01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:07.440 the end of calendar year four to four. So it's 1140 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:12.639 not like it was just begun, right, it was completed. Now, 1141 01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.239 how do you do that that fast? Okay? The story 1142 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.880 goes that he had that captured arc or we had 1143 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:25.199 a captured archive from the German government that most people 1144 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:28.800 around the world had never seen, and the American public 1145 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.199 had certainly not seen it, but it was in possession 1146 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:33.480 of the National Archives. Yeah. 1147 01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:36.320 Hold on, we're talking about the book The Rise and 1148 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.119 Fall of the Third Life, I believe. 1149 01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:42.400 So, yeah, I wasn't published until nineteen sixty. 1150 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:46.639 Okay, Well, see, I was going with what Jimmy said. 1151 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:47.639 This is why I should check some. 1152 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:51.760 It wasn't on nineteen sixty. 1153 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:53.559 That must have been a second trending. 1154 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.840 It was published in October seventeenth, nineteen sixty. 1155 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:04.760 Let me see if there was if that's a republication, 1156 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:06.599 or let me let me double check on this, guys, 1157 01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:10.119 because I don't want an argument. But either date, it 1158 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.360 still falls within the parameters of what I was saying. 1159 01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:18.639 Nineteen forty four is bizarre. Yeah, perhaps it was begun 1160 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.440 in forty four. The writing started in forty four. I 1161 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:25.039 don't know. I am now going to do what I 1162 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.679 would normally do, which is double check everybody's facts and 1163 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.440 see what the publishing world and the copyright office has 1164 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:37.239 to say, etc. Okay, and hey, BPTE. 1165 01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:41.199 Another interesting thing about Algus Stone. I didn't know. Did 1166 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:45.159 you know he did sixteen years in the Marine Corps? 1167 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:46.760 Yeah? 1168 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.760 I wasn't aware he did sixteen years. 1169 01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:52.480 Yeah, I didn't know he did that kind of time. 1170 01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:54.280 I mean, he's had. 1171 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:55.599 Like three or four careers. 1172 01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:57.280 I'm just telling you, this guy's tricky. 1173 01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.639 No, I get it, and true, but it's bill doesn't 1174 01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:04.000 mean that if I handed him, you know, a microwave 1175 01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:05.679 of and that he knows the damn thing what to 1176 01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:09.599 do with it. And when it comes to the jfk assassination. Okay, 1177 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.199 what Oliver knows is limited. 1178 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:19.440 Anybody that would fall for Judith Baker's crap, I've written 1179 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:22.239 them off. I mean, Oliver Stone, Okay, you might be 1180 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:25.800 able to put a movie together, but you started hanging 1181 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.920 out with Judus Baker, I've got nothing. His credibility shot 1182 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:30.159 with me. 1183 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.639 Well, I'm sorry to tell you his credibility was shot 1184 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:35.679 with me as somebody would be knowledgeable, long before the 1185 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.039 Judy Baker meeting. And why because when he was making 1186 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:46.039 the movie, JFK, let us not forget that he wholeheartedly 1187 01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:53.159 said he bought Beverly Oliver's story. You know, he literally says. 1188 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:53.679 Dog. 1189 01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:58.239 Hearing that other check or the kind of combined character, 1190 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:04.639 aren't things like that? Blind bim Well Garrison meets up 1191 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:07.679 with and she's talking about. 1192 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:12.880 Yes, well, Okay, Now, I don't know if that was 1193 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.239 at the beginning, but because I've seen a couple of 1194 01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.119 different versions of the film, and I'm not sure if 1195 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:18.840 it was right at the beginning, I don't think so. 1196 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:23.719 I think it's somewhere later after he has the discussion 1197 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.719 with Russell Long and all that. So, I mean it's 1198 01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:29.159 a little later in the film, I think, But during 1199 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:33.280 the director's commentary on that scene. Okay, I remember this 1200 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:36.960 vividly from the DVD that I got, because I just 1201 01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:39.920 was dumbfounded and had to rewind it to make sure 1202 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.280 I heard what I thought I heard entirely, okay, Because 1203 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.280 I'm looking at a lot of stuff in the JFK movie, 1204 01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:47.400 and I know some of it is crap, all right. 1205 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.199 Some of it is just nonsense. It's a fiction. It was, 1206 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:53.840 you know, urban legend, whatever you want to call it. 1207 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.119 And given the time period in which the film was made, 1208 01:06:57.280 --> 01:06:59.000 you got to be forgiving of a lot of it 1209 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.840 because a lot of knowledge was being kept from people. 1210 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:08.000 A lot of things were still as yet classified. Certain 1211 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:12.039 other individuals had not come forwards, certain records had not emerged, 1212 01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:15.360 even those that were not being held in classified hands. Right, 1213 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:19.679 So there were a great many things that I could forgive, 1214 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:26.599 especially reading the annotated screenplay. Okay, but this was unforgivable 1215 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:28.599 in my mind. Is he he's sitting there in the 1216 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.840 Beverly Oliver composite character, as you said, Jimmy, it's a 1217 01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:35.079 combination on there. But the woman that he clearly means 1218 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.000 to represent Beverly Oliver in the movie, and I is 1219 01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:40.880 named Beverly, but I don't remember if it's Beverly Oliverer. 1220 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:44.280 It might be Beverly's something else. But either way, you know, 1221 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.320 just like that old Kevin Bacon character in that movie 1222 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:53.800 is a composite. It leans on Perry Russo extremely but 1223 01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:57.719 it's not entirely Perry Russo. There's a couple other people, 1224 01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:03.280 so't of mixed in there the Perry Russo discussion and exposition. 1225 01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:07.079 But anyway, back to the Beverly Oliver thing. He literally 1226 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:10.159 says during the commentary, he goes, you know a lot 1227 01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:13.000 of people this is the Beverly Oliver section, and there 1228 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.760 are a lot of people who say that she's full 1229 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:21.840 of shit and they just don't buy it. But they're wrong. 1230 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:28.479 She was there. I believe her. So he's saying this 1231 01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.399 blanket number one. 1232 01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:36.399 I agree to. I mean, I agree that. 1233 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.079 Obviously people like us have more street sense, and let's 1234 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:46.960 face the common sense. This is where we can help 1235 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:49.600 these people because they can't see some things. 1236 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:51.960 Well, not only that, but they have not done the 1237 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:56.680 same work. Okay, Like if I told, if I told 1238 01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:01.760 Oliver Stone that, look, Oliver, if you really examine the films, 1239 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:07.840 do you know how many bushkah ladies there were indely Plaza. Now, 1240 01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:12.960 my legally blind ass independently can count four, all right, 1241 01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:17.319 four different women who have this head scarf thing going 1242 01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:22.600 on indiely Plaza. Okay, and here's the problem with all 1243 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:26.880 four of them. None of them, in my estimation, is 1244 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:32.039 carrying a film camera. And not a single one of them, 1245 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:37.640 in my estimation, bears a resemblance to guess who Beverly 1246 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:42.359 Oliver not even close now in the grainy early days 1247 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.039 where she was an ancillary character, and even when they 1248 01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.239 printed in Life magazine, and there she is as this 1249 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:51.920 blurry thing sort of with an obstruction around her face 1250 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.560 and all that you could make a claim I was 1251 01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.039 holding a camera. She could have been holding a baby 1252 01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:00.199 elephant in a box for all we know. You know, 1253 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.680 and somebody could say, look, because of the distortion of 1254 01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:07.600 the film, you just can't tell. But you know, a 1255 01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:10.760 couple of things have happened. And before AI filled it in, which, 1256 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.640 by the way AI fills it in, you ought to 1257 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.960 see what what that looks like. I have not been 1258 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.119 permitted to take a copy of these, but there are 1259 01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:21.319 some people that are doing the debunking myths things right 1260 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:25.640 now that are working on something I don't know. I 1261 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:28.079 didn't get a clear explanation, but maybe it'll be on 1262 01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:32.720 a TV channel sometime soon. Anyway, one of the things 1263 01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:37.000 they're doing is letting AI fill in some of the 1264 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:42.079 blurs and streaks and gaps and stuff like that based 1265 01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:45.359 on a whole bunch of you know, probabilities and likelihoods 1266 01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:50.079 that should be sort of you know, used to clarify photographs. Now, 1267 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.560 is that a reliable, absolutely reliable piece of evidence. No, 1268 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.199 but it will clear up a lot of the garbage 1269 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.279 that we see when people have you know, for decades. Now, 1270 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.800 you know, looking at you, mister Blevins held up a 1271 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.319 blurry ass picture and said, look, there's eight things in here, 1272 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:08.319 and I don't see one of them, you know, much 1273 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.920 like the good. 1274 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.319 I do kind of see the guy they call the 1275 01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:17.159 cop guy that does look I mean sure it's the 1276 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:20.600 size of like a molecule, but it does look like 1277 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:23.640 a guy in the Dallas police outfit shooting the gun. 1278 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:24.640 I don't know what to do. 1279 01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:30.079 Okay with thatloid. Okay, if you want to say, yeah, 1280 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:32.680 you want to switch to Badgeman, we can switch to Badgeman. 1281 01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:36.640 But let me finish with Beverly here real fast. Okay. 1282 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.560 So her claims fall apart if you have a clearer 1283 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:43.640 picture of her, and the clearer picture of her is 1284 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.279 clearly not her. Now she's tried. If you take a 1285 01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:50.279 listen to her description, I put you know, sunglasses on, 1286 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:53.479 I put a wig on, I put uh, you know, 1287 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:56.640 a babushka over the wig, and then I also had 1288 01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.159 on a couple other things underneath me to make me 1289 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:01.520 look heavier than I was, because she wasn't heavier. If 1290 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.319 you look at a picture of nineteen sixty three, Uh, 1291 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:08.319 to be honest with you, he was. 1292 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:11.199 A fifteen year old girl. Actually, yeah, that's why I 1293 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:13.600 believe most of which this is a load of crap. 1294 01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:17.159 Well, but here's the thing in sixty three. If you 1295 01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.079 just you know, pay no attention to anything else other 1296 01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:24.560 than the visual image, she's pretty damn good looking. Okay, 1297 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:30.840 just saying. None of these women that you know, even 1298 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.760 though their faces are partially covered up and everything else 1299 01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:38.640 that are wearing the babushkas, bear a resemblance to a shapely, 1300 01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:42.359 good looking thin No, none of it. 1301 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:47.239 But anyway, Yeah, everyone for many years has thought that 1302 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:52.960 she that the girl wants an older, heavier woman than 1303 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:56.920 her sixties, right, and given at the time there was 1304 01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:06.159 such a presence from the white rushing community and being surprised. 1305 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:08.920 Well, look, you'd think so. But here's the problem with 1306 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.880 that whole equation. And then we'll move on to Badgeman 1307 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:17.520 if you like. But here's the problem with that equation, Dick. 1308 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:23.560 This is so funny. But you know, one of the 1309 01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:26.880 other double names that comes up in the case, right 1310 01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.239 is Dick or Richard Sprague. And if you remember, Richard 1311 01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:35.279 or Dick Sprague was at the beginning of the HSCA, 1312 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.640 was supposed to be the guy who was the head 1313 01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:42.000 of it, right, He was supposed to be running the 1314 01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:44.760 HSCA investigation, Richard Sprague. 1315 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:50.439 You recall this, right, Jimmy, Yeah, And then they fired 1316 01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.479 him because he wanted to actually do it right in 1317 01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:56.760 half five years, get money, and they're like, nah, you're 1318 01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:57.319 out of here. 1319 01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.319 Yeah. No, they wanted you know, look, we're going to 1320 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.640 reinterview these people were going to go and find this suspect. 1321 01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:05.720 And they went, wha hold on, just look at the 1322 01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.439 warrant commission stuff and be done with it. So what 1323 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:10.720 did they do? They went and got blaky to head it. 1324 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.079 And in between there they used that New York cop. 1325 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:17.439 Dear god, you know, his name is slipping in my 1326 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:22.239 mind at the moment, but there was a former NYPD Sorry, 1327 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:23.239 what a. 1328 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:25.359 Delsa? 1329 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:31.159 No, No, not aj Delsa. I'll look it up real fast. 1330 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:35.199 But it's it's really funny because it was uh and 1331 01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:37.840 the guy stayed there as a special counsel or something. 1332 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:46.319 But anyway, let's see, former you know, this is the thing, 1333 01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:48.199 is I've gone through so much of this crap, to 1334 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:51.439 be honest with you, like I have forgotten more than 1335 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:55.399 a lot of people, know, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, 1336 01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:57.319 I'm slipping on a name here or there, but. 1337 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:03.000 Well, yeah, and it's for me, I mean yeah, I 1338 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:08.520 mean obviously, Oliver still can't know every thing that you know, 1339 01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:13.399 or even know what I know, because I'm pretty much devoted. 1340 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.760 A lifetime to studying the stupid thing. And he's been 1341 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:17.920 a pretty busy fella. 1342 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:22.479 Right, And this guy even wrote some sort of fictional 1343 01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:26.199 account of stuff having to do with the JFK assassination 1344 01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:28.600 at one point, and I'm just trying to think of 1345 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:32.119 his name, but g Robert Blakey ends up coming in 1346 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:35.000 and running the rest of the investigation, who famously, for 1347 01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:37.000 many years now has said, no, I don't think the 1348 01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:43.479 CIA lied to me at all. Right, you know, so 1349 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.079 I believe this guy might have been a detective with 1350 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:54.760 the NYPD before having been on there. Let's see, is 1351 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:56.720 he is he that guy? 1352 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.399 That's is it? 1353 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.439 The guy looks into all the and some stuff. 1354 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:04.600 And all that now, No, no, no, not that guy. 1355 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:07.159 Let me let me look this up here. You know what, 1356 01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:10.640 if I think about it, he was at the Weckt 1357 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:15.520 conference in two thousand and three and he hasn't made 1358 01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.680 a ton of appearances, honestly for for years and years. 1359 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:20.840 He was like one of the impossible people to talk 1360 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:25.239 to regarding the HSCA when people wanted to, you know, 1361 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:27.720 like dig into you were you were part of the HSCA, 1362 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:29.520 talk to me about what happened during this or that 1363 01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:34.880 or whatever. And yeah, he was one of those guys 1364 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.119 that was hard to get for a long time. I'm 1365 01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:40.960 thinking his first name was Robert P. Pete. You got 1366 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:42.319 any idea what I'm talking about here? 1367 01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:48.199 Who was he for with? 1368 01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.800 Well? That was my point is he was part of 1369 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:57.199 the HSCA, and he had been there with Sprague and 1370 01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:59.880 then he transitioned from Sprague to g R. 1371 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.079 What was the guy that went with Lopez to Mexico? 1372 01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:06.840 Is that the guy? 1373 01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:10.359 No, that's Dan Hardaway. That's Dan Hardaway and both of 1374 01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:12.840 the Hardway. Yeah, and both of those guys were two 1375 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:16.119 young people at the time, like they were like twenty 1376 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:18.119 years old or the two of them or whatever going 1377 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.319 down there as like you know, staffers. They were. They're 1378 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:24.079 lawyers today, both of them, but back then they were 1379 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:27.199 like junior investigators. Now I'm talking about a guy who 1380 01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:29.920 was supposed to be in charge. He was temporarily in 1381 01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:35.239 charge during the transition between Sprague and Blakey for the HSCA, 1382 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:38.119 but not much got done because they hardly got funded. 1383 01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:40.680 They even cut off their phone lines. I think at 1384 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:43.199 a certain point they were like a phone company. This 1385 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.359 office no longer needs a phone and cut off their 1386 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.159 phones even while this guy was supposed to be, you know, 1387 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:54.880 running the investigation. Right, Yes, let me see what conference 1388 01:17:54.880 --> 01:18:00.479 two thousand and three. Let's see presenters. Maybe that would 1389 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:09.039 be a good way to go, right, everything's an issue 1390 01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:10.800 with me trying to enter this. But you don't know 1391 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:12.720 what I'm talking about, b Pete. I know you've seen 1392 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.600 the guy on TV. We've talked about stuff regarding this 1393 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:19.760 guy before, and I just can't think of his It 1394 01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:22.880 might have been Robert, but it wasn't Robert, not like 1395 01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:30.439 g Robert Blake either. I'm telling you, if I was 1396 01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:33.000 able to actually see and type, it would be a 1397 01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:37.239 whole lot better. But because I got such terrible lighting 1398 01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:41.000 in this room, and uh, well terrible eyesight. Let's be frank. 1399 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:48.199 Uh you know, it's hard to it's hard to get 1400 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:54.319 at it. Let's see lectures waxed JFK documents and videos 1401 01:18:54.399 --> 01:19:00.199 Ducaine somewhere on here would be and this is for 1402 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:08.199 the fortieth anniversary. So see baumb Tannon bomb. There was 1403 01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:12.760 tann and bomb. Robert Tannenbaum. That's it. That guy took 1404 01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:16.479 over in the interim and everything else. But he took 1405 01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:18.479 over and then remained on as some sort of like 1406 01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:23.359 junior council or you know, deputy to whatever, because gee, 1407 01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.359 Robert Blakey took it the rest of the way through. 1408 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:29.960 And strangely, at the end of the investigation, he had 1409 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:35.880 been allotted more money than he used. He actually returned 1410 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:39.439 money back to the Congress that was unused for the investigation. 1411 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:44.119 I know that sounds like I'm talking crazy, but I'm 1412 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:47.439 telling you it's true. They did not utilize all of 1413 01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:50.560 the funding that was allotted to them under g Robert Blakey. 1414 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:52.520 Because you know, if you. 1415 01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:56.159 Don't have one the one name in history, they decided 1416 01:19:56.159 --> 01:19:58.600 to cheap out. Yeah, imagine that. 1417 01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:02.279 Well two names in history, because remember they investigated King's 1418 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:04.199 assassination too. 1419 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:06.640 Oh, that's right. 1420 01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:09.680 There's supposed to be kings also in that one. I 1421 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:13.199 always forget because no one ever talks about King anymore. 1422 01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:15.960 Nobody talks about it. But that was literally half of 1423 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.000 what was going on there. It wasn't just also supposed 1424 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:22.600 to be. No he was in there. They investigated, by 1425 01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:28.039 the way, some of those all that stuff, you know, 1426 01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:29.920 the stuff that was going to be withheld for the 1427 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:34.760 next seventy five years after the HSCA completed its work. 1428 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:39.359 The majority of the King stuff is still as yet withheld. 1429 01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:45.000 Just saying, just saying, I'm not even going to dig 1430 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.840 at it. I mean, we had the civil settlement that 1431 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:51.560 occurred that some people know about which you know, had 1432 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:57.039 no teeth, did nothing, but it is on record anyway, 1433 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.359 to conclude on all this, and I'll tell you about 1434 01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:03.319 Badgeman real fast is I'll tell you what if you 1435 01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:07.399 can look at the original polaroid and you can and 1436 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:11.359 you can honestly say that you still believe, or you 1437 01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:15.000 can look at even a a first or second generation 1438 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:18.199 copy of the polaroid and you can tell me that 1439 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.760 you still believe there's a Badgeman there. Do me a 1440 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:26.000 favor and tell me what he's standing on, because it 1441 01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:28.359 doesn't make sense to put him on a car or 1442 01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:31.960 in the bed of a pickup truck, maybe the pickup 1443 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:34.600 bed of a pickup truck. But if you did that 1444 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:35.159 then he's. 1445 01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:38.840 Not then so it doesn't make sense for him to 1446 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:41.640 be on his kneels, on his knees on a hood 1447 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:44.079 of a car. Point and rifle. No, I think that 1448 01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:47.720 would be pretty smart. Actually, it's just sitting on his butt. 1449 01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:52.279 It doesn't work. It doesn't work spatially with the way 1450 01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:55.079 the way it's lined up. Therapy. I mean, have you been? 1451 01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:57.960 Have you been? And it's like still blind the fence? 1452 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:01.079 No? Never? 1453 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:03.680 All right, Well, I'll tell you what. 1454 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:09.479 Since it trackled something that take Thompson tackled, he went 1455 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:12.960 to Dallas and they took their survey and equipment and 1456 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:17.000 figured out that for someone to be in Badsman's position, 1457 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:20.439 he would have to be something like nine feet tall 1458 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:24.319 or something for him to show up in that Based 1459 01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:25.800 on the proportions. 1460 01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:27.000 Of everything in the photograph and the. 1461 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:29.239 Measurements that they do, they figured you'd have to be 1462 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:34.159 like nine feet above the ground at that distance and 1463 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:34.960 to get a shot. 1464 01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:41.760 That's twenty years ago lastly checked with the better technology. 1465 01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:43.359 I wish to check it out again. 1466 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:47.920 Well, I'm trying to tell you something. I will go there, okay, 1467 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:52.720 And because I'm apparently looks like if all things hold, 1468 01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:55.840 it's going to be covered for me to go again 1469 01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:01.960 and mc again. In so I'll make a trip to 1470 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:08.560 Delley Plaza, okay, Jimmy, just for you, and I will 1471 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:11.439 try to see if we can figure out a way 1472 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:17.720 to put somebody in the badgeman position from behind that 1473 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:21.640 fence where he should have been, and see what we 1474 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:26.800 come up with, okay, because it's real tough considering where 1475 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:32.119 she was standing from utilizing an instant camera, okay, which 1476 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:36.039 creates a lot of this problem with this silver nitrate 1477 01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:39.039 crap or whatever they call it that ends up throughout 1478 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.560 the paragraph, throughout the photograph, which makes a whole lot 1479 01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:46.720 of little sloppy smears and anomalies and everything. I don't 1480 01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:49.000 know if you've ever really taken a good look at 1481 01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:54.159 polaroid photographs, but if you take a look at the 1482 01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:56.920 surrounding stuff and the way light gets bent and all 1483 01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.680 kinds of weird things, it's very interesting. It's a very 1484 01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:04.520 sloppy sort of photographic process. 1485 01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:08.600 And it did get sealed. That was the problem with 1486 01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:11.680 the photograph. When you did polaroid photographs, you had a 1487 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:15.199 little canister a fixer. There was a wand in there 1488 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:16.880 with a sponge on one side. 1489 01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:19.960 And after you took the photo and let it you 1490 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:22.680 sit for so many minutes and then you take this 1491 01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:26.239 fixer and put on it, and that photo was never fixed. 1492 01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:29.159 That's why when it got handled you see that massive 1493 01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:30.560 thumbprint in the middle of it. 1494 01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:35.800 Okay, but even when those photographs were fixed, they were 1495 01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:39.279 still a fairly sloppy process because of the way that 1496 01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:41.560 just the way it was, the chemicals and the things 1497 01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:44.760 that came together. It created an instant picture that was 1498 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:48.239 the big headline. But it wasn't like sharp and accurate 1499 01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:52.039 and really like you know, true to color. Nothing. And 1500 01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.760 the other interesting part about this is I'm not certain 1501 01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.119 that that was from one of the cameras that you 1502 01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:00.119 had to do that fixing process, or if it's one 1503 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:02.319 of the ones after that. That was one of those 1504 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:08.279 questions that I tried to ask Mary Mormon regarding her camera, 1505 01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:12.680 and frankly, you know, here we go. I mean, she 1506 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:14.800 was just what she was, like a seventeen year old 1507 01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:20.239 housewife or something there on the Noll, right, So seventeen eighteen, 1508 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:22.600 nineteen somewhere, and there she was in that group of 1509 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.760 very young people, and she had already become a housewife 1510 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:31.520 Mary Mormon. Okay, I don't think she had a lot 1511 01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:33.680 of knowledge about the way her camera worked. And she 1512 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:35.680 didn't even seem to be able to remember to me 1513 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:39.079 whether it was the kind that you actually have to 1514 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:44.159 do something else with the picture afterwards or not. Now 1515 01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:46.880 I did, in all fairness, I asked that question to 1516 01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:52.640 her in twenty seventeen to her face. But you know, 1517 01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:57.760 what can I do? Look, maybe I could possibly get 1518 01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.560 old of her phone number, and maybe we could have 1519 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:01.640 her come on on for one last interview. I mean 1520 01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:03.880 I had her on the show once or twice after that, 1521 01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:07.520 to you know, talk about the circumstances and how she 1522 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:09.279 took the picture. I don't know if you ever heard 1523 01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:15.279 those shows, be Pete, Yeah, okay, I didn't know if 1524 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:19.000 you had. But I was at the conference with her 1525 01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:21.239 in twenty seventeen. Matter of fact, I think we did 1526 01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:23.960 a show before the conference and then after the conference. 1527 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.920 And as a matter of fact, her granddaughter wanted to 1528 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:30.279 make sure that I came over and gave her a 1529 01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:34.720 hug in twenty seventeen, because I was so nice and 1530 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:37.079 kind and helpful to her in the interview, like I 1531 01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:45.720 was especially nice to Mary Ann Mormon Kramer. Anyway, So Jimmy, yeah, 1532 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.520 here we go, right, Badgeman, I'm sorry, I can't put 1533 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:51.920 him in that position. I mean, Gordon Arnold though, comes up. 1534 01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:54.520 And that's another thing where people think that military guy. 1535 01:26:54.600 --> 01:27:01.239 Allegedly there's a military guy next to Badgman, right, yeah, 1536 01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:03.680 and then some people even talk about the possibility of 1537 01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:07.479 ready a hard hat guy, a construction guy wearing what 1538 01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:08.560 looks like a hard hat. 1539 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:14.359 Yeah, it kind of makes sense. So if there was 1540 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:18.079 a crew there, why wouldn't they be dressed like that. 1541 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:20.880 That's exactly what I would do. I would dress in 1542 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:25.479 Thosy in nineteen sixty. I'd be wearing a utility uniform 1543 01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:26.520 or something like that. 1544 01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:33.279 Pretty smart, Listen, It's all smart, brilliant, wonderful, except one problem. 1545 01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:40.720 If you realize Badgeman does not exist in any other photograph. 1546 01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:41.960 The hard hat guy. 1547 01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:43.159 I'm not saying that. 1548 01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:45.319 No, No, I'm not saying I'm one hundred. 1549 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:49.399 I'm not convinced one way or the other other than 1550 01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:50.720 the soldier guy. 1551 01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:53.399 I do believe that he was there. 1552 01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:58.680 He may have been there, but his story about having 1553 01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:01.439 a camera and getting knocked down and all this other stuff, 1554 01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:04.159 I have a hard time fitting it in with the 1555 01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:08.199 timeline of people rushing up in that direction and nobody 1556 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:15.399 noticing the police guy kicking you know, the soldier right 1557 01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:19.520 there in front of the fence. Jimmy, you know, nobody 1558 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:20.279 saw that. 1559 01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:25.399 But all the version I've seen is he said he 1560 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:27.000 said a few things. 1561 01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:29.319 I didn't say that. 1562 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:32.800 The guy said, I don't know. He was out of 1563 01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:35.960 boot camp, he says, and feeling his oats, and he says, 1564 01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:39.479 I'm coming up here to film who you to stop being? 1565 01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:40.199 Well? 1566 01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:41.279 You and what army? 1567 01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:44.279 And the guy bashed a secret service badge and he 1568 01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:45.560 said that's good enough for me. 1569 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:49.399 That's enough muscle for me. Right. He gave that whole story, 1570 01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:53.680 but that was then moving him away from another area 1571 01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:55.960 when they were telling him to get lost, and he 1572 01:28:56.079 --> 01:28:57.880 was sort of like, hey, you know, you and what 1573 01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:01.880 army kind of thing, and the guy flashed the you know, 1574 01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:04.600 the credentials and he said, well, that's enough muscle for me. 1575 01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:09.479 That's exactly what he said. I remember that vividly, and 1576 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.840 yeah he went and did that. But this I'm talking 1577 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:19.000 about the incident where Badgeman would be just having fired, right, 1578 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:23.279 And then he says that Badgeman jumps over the fence 1579 01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:27.560 pretty much right, and you know, kicks him while he's 1580 01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:32.600 on the ground and everything else and takes his film, remember, 1581 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:35.239 takes the film out of his. 1582 01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:38.640 Came I didn't hear this. 1583 01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:41.199 I did not hear this bit. 1584 01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:43.720 I'm the man who kills Kennedy. He says, the guy 1585 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:45.520 came back and start kicking. 1586 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:46.880 Him in the gut and took a film. 1587 01:29:47.159 --> 01:29:50.279 Yeah, okay, now even I got Yeah. 1588 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.039 Well there's your problem with Gordon Arnold. Go go back 1589 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:54.520 and take a look at that clip. If it's the 1590 01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:56.880 whole thing there, that's the rest of what he has 1591 01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:59.319 to say where he's like, so I don't have my film. 1592 01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:01.359 I couldn't give him. He even makes a point of 1593 01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:03.199 I couldn't give him the camera because it was my 1594 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:07.439 mom's camera, and you know, so he couldn't give him 1595 01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:11.359 his mom's camera, but he took the film. 1596 01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:13.199 Oh yeah, I do remember that. 1597 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:14.000 There you go. 1598 01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:17.119 Yeah, that's right, Yeah, I remember that. 1599 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:18.640 So wow. 1600 01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:22.319 So yeah, but was that his original story? 1601 01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:24.399 Or did it evolve later? 1602 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:28.560 His original story was pretty much that, but he didn't 1603 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:32.000 want to talk to anybody publicly. Then after the men 1604 01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:34.439 who killed Kennedy, I'll tell you a funny thing about him. 1605 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:37.119 After the men who killed Kennedy and all that stuff. Now, 1606 01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:40.560 remember there's no six to four museum yet in nineteen 1607 01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:44.760 eighty eight, so people just went to Daily Plaza and 1608 01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:47.479 just you know, wandered around Dally Plaza to check out 1609 01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:52.680 the historical site, right, and there were these again the 1610 01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:56.800 homeless guys were there, you know, and they somehow somebody 1611 01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:58.840 organized and created the thing where they would hand out 1612 01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:01.079 the newspapers and they would come up to you and 1613 01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:03.920 bug you, Ppete. You know what I'm talking about with 1614 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:08.600 the homeless guys in the newspapers. See now today they're 1615 01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:11.800 not all homeless, but they come and they hustle you. Right, 1616 01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:13.840 They're like, hey, you know anything about the spot you're 1617 01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:19.960 standing on, right, pp. 1618 01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:23.079 Guys come up to us when we were there, yeah 1619 01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:23.960 two years ago. 1620 01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:27.119 Right now, this is a cleaner version of what used 1621 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:29.560 to happen in nineteen eighty eight. But anyway, in eighty eight, 1622 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:31.960 when people would just wander around and the homeless guys 1623 01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:34.840 had these newspapers and they were selling them to you 1624 01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:36.640 for ten bucks or whatever, and it was like a 1625 01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:39.800 special you know souvenir. You almost felt like you were 1626 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:42.880 getting some secret souvenir because nobody was advertising for it 1627 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.800 or anything, right, and it had a special you know, 1628 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:49.720 bulletin newspaper all about Dealey Plaza and the conspiracy and 1629 01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:53.159 all these things. Anyway, the funny thing is during that 1630 01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:57.319 time period when I did indeed go to Dallas as well, 1631 01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:02.000 but had not been there to go to Dealey Plaza, 1632 01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:05.439 and I was there to talk to people and interview 1633 01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:07.720 people at their houses, which were not right there in 1634 01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:11.439 that part of Dallas, so I never made it to 1635 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:15.359 the plaza. But the thing is, I'm doing these interviews 1636 01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:17.520 and you know, making tapes and stuff. But here's the 1637 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:19.520 thing that was happening in Dealey Plaza at the time. 1638 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:22.720 Gordon Arnold was walking around with a T shirt that 1639 01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:25.239 literally just had like it looked like one of those 1640 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:26.680 things you used to be able to get in the mall, 1641 01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:28.880 like tell me what what words you want to put 1642 01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.359 on your T shirt? And a lot of people would 1643 01:32:31.359 --> 01:32:33.239 go and get you know, World's Greatest Dad and a 1644 01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:35.760 picture of them and their kid. You know, a hot 1645 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:42.039 iron onto a white T shirt, right, well, Gordon Arnold. Yeah, 1646 01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:44.199 so Gordon Arnold had one of those kind of T 1647 01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:53.079 shirts made that said, Hi, I'm Gordon Arnold, jfk Assassination witness. 1648 01:32:56.760 --> 01:33:00.560 That was literally inconvenient, literally that was his T shirt 1649 01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:03.000 that he was walking around with in nineteen eighty eight, 1650 01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:06.079 twenty five or nineteen eighty nine. Wait a minute, Wait 1651 01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:10.039 a minute, I can confirm it in ninety two. Sorry, 1652 01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:12.600 I can confirm it in ninety two. But I heard 1653 01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:16.279 that he started doing that just after The Men Who 1654 01:33:16.359 --> 01:33:20.880 Killed Kennedy was first broadcast, which I believe is nineteen 1655 01:33:20.920 --> 01:33:23.119 eighty eight, on the twenty fifth anniversary when they put 1656 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:28.680 out the first part Nigel Turner did. But either way 1657 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:28.920 is that. 1658 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:32.159 It's Nigel Turner amongst us. 1659 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:33.479 No, he's deceased. 1660 01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:40.840 What about the narrators. 1661 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:45.520 I think for some of the Men Who Killed Kennedy, 1662 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:49.680 Nigel Turner is the narrator. I think I don't know 1663 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:53.560 about it. I know they changed narrators at a certain point, 1664 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:57.000 and I know that he was still alive when they 1665 01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:01.479 were filming the last part of the series. And the 1666 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:03.159 reason why I know he was still alive when they 1667 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:06.760 were filming it is because they had gone to Walt 1668 01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:10.800 Brown's house in Jersey to film with him for the 1669 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:14.880 Man who Killed Kennedy, which was supposed to be the 1670 01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:20.319 you know, the Johnson did It segment? Right, So that 1671 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:22.880 was like part nine of the Men Who Killed Kennedy? 1672 01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:25.479 I think, right? 1673 01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:30.000 Ah? Or was it the French cheat guy? They tried 1674 01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.119 to push it one or the other was before the other. 1675 01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:37.319 The French the French chat now the Frenchie guy was 1676 01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:39.840 at the beginning of the series. I know that for 1677 01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:42.920 a fact because that's how I actually got deeper into 1678 01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:45.880 it when I saw that happen, because for a little 1679 01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:48.960 while I had a bad idea that the French connection 1680 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:55.640 was true. Anyways, I learned, believe me, I learned that, 1681 01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:57.880 you know a lot of bs can be slung one 1682 01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:01.279 way or another. But back that time period there, Yeah, 1683 01:35:01.319 --> 01:35:05.680 they went to Walt Brown's house and Nigel Turner was 1684 01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:08.600 there in Jersey, so I know that when they were 1685 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:10.880 filming the last part of it, he was still alive. 1686 01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:13.800 But I think they had to change narrators because during 1687 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:16.239 the post production, I think he died or something like that. 1688 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:20.640 So I'm guessing that that was actually around the fortieth 1689 01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:23.439 anniversary when they were finishing up, you know, the actual 1690 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:26.560 editing process for all that. But I don't know. I'd 1691 01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:28.880 have to double check. Like when The Men Who Killed Kennedy, 1692 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:31.199 when was the last one of it actually put out? 1693 01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:32.279 Maybe I should check that. 1694 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:36.920 Two thousand and four, I remember, because Lady Bird was 1695 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.079 still alive and sued the hell out of the day 1696 01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:42.680 and he, oh, it would be Johnson because yeah, I remember, 1697 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:43.800 she got real mad. 1698 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:48.359 Yeah, and that's you know, she got mad, sued the 1699 01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:52.960 hell out of him and they pulled it, you. 1700 01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:56.920 Know, yes, and that's when they switched to Space Aliens 1701 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:59.680 twenty four to seven pretty much. 1702 01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:04.399 You turn it on today, Yeah, if you turn it 1703 01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:07.560 on today, it says Actually, the IMDb on this says 1704 01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:10.520 that it's a TV mini series from nineteen eighty eight 1705 01:36:10.560 --> 01:36:12.920 to two thousand and three, So I was correct about it. 1706 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:16.640 It was two thousand and three for the fortieth anniversary. 1707 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:21.039 That was the last release. And oh, by the way, 1708 01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:22.760 when you if you were to buy it on the 1709 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:26.399 History Channel store not too long ago, they eliminated the 1710 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:31.720 last three episodes, which was kind of good because guess what, 1711 01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:36.199 you know, the last three episodes contained not only Johnson 1712 01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:39.880 did It, but Judy Baker in the love story for 1713 01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:43.439 a whole damn episode of the Men Who Killed Kennedy. 1714 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:50.520 Distinctly. Remember, now, let's go speak to a distinguished professor 1715 01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:55.039 here we go to the cold Minnesota. I said, oh, no, no, 1716 01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:58.520 it can't be James Feesster. 1717 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:04.760 James James Spetzer, Douglas Weldon. You know, the guy who 1718 01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:08.279 was insistent upon the bullet hole going the other way, right, 1719 01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:12.039 and yeah, and something else. Oh wait a minute. Vince 1720 01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:19.279 palm Ara also with his inaccurate was that like, yeah, 1721 01:37:19.279 --> 01:37:22.840 it's just that he had. But the secret Service expert 1722 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:25.920 who's naming the wrong Secret Service guy sitting there saying 1723 01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:29.520 that it was oh, I forget who it was. It 1724 01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:31.840 was being flagged away, and it's like, first of all, 1725 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:36.359 that's not the right guy. And secondly, you're making an 1726 01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:40.159 assumption here that you really shouldn't be making. I mean, 1727 01:37:40.239 --> 01:37:42.319 Vince has done some great work and at a lot 1728 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:44.760 of great parts of it. But again, these guys, they 1729 01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:47.880 get into these blind spots and they start to believe 1730 01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:50.800 their own hype. He had the wrong Secret Service agent 1731 01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:54.760 identified in a pretty clear damn piece of film. You know, 1732 01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:57.640 it's not like you and me mixing up which one 1733 01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:00.399 of them with the bowl cuts, you know, those perfect 1734 01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:03.199 not bow cut buzz cuts. You know which buzz cut 1735 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:05.920 guy in a suit looks like which one? They're almost 1736 01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:08.600 I mean they were all white. So a bunch of 1737 01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.439 white guys on black and white film, buzz cuts, dark 1738 01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:15.000 hair and suits on. Yeah, you might mix them up. 1739 01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:18.680 But Vince should not have been doing that, you know. 1740 01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:24.000 So he he made a well ripka, he kept saying. 1741 01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:29.039 Yeah, he put out the book. 1742 01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:34.520 I mean he should have new. I did like his 1743 01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:41.239 response to the to Brian Lamb from uh C span fame. 1744 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.960 After those two agents, those old agents got on there 1745 01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:48.560 lying their asses off ten years ago, m. 1746 01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:56.479 The uh I don't know which lot Jackie, Jackie's secret 1747 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:58.119 service guy, Clint Hill. 1748 01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:01.520 And then there's another guy. He was just in Houston. 1749 01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:06.640 He wasn't even there, but he was. He's the guy 1750 01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:09.000 that was most offended. 1751 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.880 The guy who was not even in Dallas. He was. Yeah, 1752 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:16.319 he was on the last or two parts of the 1753 01:39:16.359 --> 01:39:24.960 trip ago or something. Jerry, Yeah, see Jerry. What was 1754 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.479 his name? Anyway, I'll find out his name. But he's 1755 01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:31.840 the guy who ends up writing the Kennedy Detail book 1756 01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:36.319 because not not because he was really there during any 1757 01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:39.680 of the actual action, but because he had been part 1758 01:39:39.720 --> 01:39:43.039 of the team that was, you know, on the trip, 1759 01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:46.520 but not present with the president, and he happened to 1760 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:52.159 have taken home most of his records. That's why, Okay, 1761 01:39:52.479 --> 01:39:57.720 that's why he got to write that book. Sorry, no, 1762 01:39:57.920 --> 01:39:58.479 I'll screen. 1763 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:02.800 Yeah, and and Hanley somehow hooked up with Clint Hill, and. 1764 01:40:03.199 --> 01:40:03.960 Well Clint Hill. 1765 01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:06.000 Clint Hill, Yeah, Clint. 1766 01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:09.399 Hill was was legitimate. It was Gerald Blaine, that was 1767 01:40:09.399 --> 01:40:14.720 his name. Gerald Blaine was legitimately part of the Secret Service. Yes, 1768 01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:17.880 but he wasn't anywhere near anything except the paperwork, you know, 1769 01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:21.039 it seems like. And so he grabbed Clint Hill and 1770 01:40:21.079 --> 01:40:23.399 a bunch of those other guys. See that is part 1771 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:27.279 of my point for this recent secret Service agent guy. 1772 01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:30.560 The guy was yelling at me about in Dallas, is 1773 01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:33.840 you know that guy who made the claim that he's 1774 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:35.760 actually the one who put the magic bullet on the 1775 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:45.960 stretcher or whatever? This guy was a driver, right, Paul whatever. Yeah, 1776 01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:49.119 But you know, I thought I answered the question pretty 1777 01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:52.520 well when the guy was, you know, asking me, well, 1778 01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:54.920 why is it nobody is bringing that up. I said, well, 1779 01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:58.399 maybe because credibility fell away from that story completely. So 1780 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:01.800 there's no point in talking about something that is not credible. 1781 01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.279 You know. Uh, maybe he's just. 1782 01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:10.920 He's just not the first guy to found that bullet. 1783 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:14.479 I got five stories of how that bullet came about. 1784 01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:15.119 You tell me. 1785 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:16.159 Yeah, right. 1786 01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:20.239 Sometimes a guy found it outside, Sometimes the nurse found 1787 01:41:20.239 --> 01:41:23.720 it on a stretcher. Sometimes it's two or three different 1788 01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:29.159 Secret Service guys dropped, and sometimes it's a Dallas detective 1789 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:29.600 did it? 1790 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:32.279 I mean, yeah, right? 1791 01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:35.680 And you know what the best answer, and it was 1792 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:40.000 Paul Paul Landis, right. Was that guy's name Wasn't Landis? 1793 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:44.279 Yeah, that's the new guy that says he did it well. 1794 01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:46.159 Now they even sometimes say Jack. 1795 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:47.319 Did it well. 1796 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:50.800 Look, Paul Landis is not new. He was on that 1797 01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:54.399 Kennedy detail one of those reunion shows or whatever. You know, 1798 01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:57.079 we're going to reunite the Secret Service detail from that day. 1799 01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:01.560 He was on there. So this guy, but he was. 1800 01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:04.319 The stories knew. 1801 01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:08.399 Exactly, the stories knew. The book is new, And that 1802 01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:10.479 was my point is he said, well, why in the 1803 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:13.399 world would somebody at eighty five years of age turn 1804 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:15.760 around and decide to lie about this now, and blah 1805 01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:19.000 blah blah. The guy's like arguing with me, and I said, well, 1806 01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:21.359 you know, I got one real simple motive for you. 1807 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:24.680 Why that book sold really well. It was out there 1808 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:26.760 in pre orders. It was the best seller before they 1809 01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:31.199 even mailed the first book, you know. 1810 01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:36.079 So, I mean, and I'll bet money he might not 1811 01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:39.840 even had to have wrote it. They probably just said, oh, look, 1812 01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:41.720 I want to publish a book. 1813 01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:46.880 M exactly where you get a ghost author, You pay 1814 01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:50.560 him a good salary, right, and you turn around and 1815 01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:52.960 you say, look, all we really need is for your 1816 01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:56.319 name and for you to go around on the tour 1817 01:42:56.800 --> 01:43:00.920 and act like you wrote it. You know, that's what 1818 01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:03.880 a real ghostwriter does. People get confused, they say, oh, 1819 01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:06.520 you see this co author here, that's a ghostwriter. No, no, no, 1820 01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:09.960 A real ghost writer is a ghost You don't hear 1821 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.920 a seed from him. He just does his thing, and 1822 01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:15.279 somebody else goes out there and acts like they wrote it, 1823 01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:17.560 or they make up a name, and it's a pictationous 1824 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:21.520 author doesn't matter. A ghostwriter is somebody you don't hear 1825 01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:25.159 a seed from. And and it's very likely that the 1826 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:27.279 eighty something year old guy who's you know, at the 1827 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.000 end of his life and all those points that this 1828 01:43:29.039 --> 01:43:31.920 guy was trying to make me in Dallas had decided, well, 1829 01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:33.399 I don't have the energy to write a book, and 1830 01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:34.840 they said, don't worry about it. We got a guy. 1831 01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:38.239 I'll do it for you. You know, sit down, have 1832 01:43:38.279 --> 01:43:40.600 a couple of dinners with him. We'll buy you guys dinner, 1833 01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:44.880 and you can talk and you know, a couple of conversations. 1834 01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:49.239 There's a little bit of research, have a future, you know, 1835 01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:52.359 give him a couple of give him a couple of right, Yeah, 1836 01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:55.840 give him a couple of good stories, and we'll wrap 1837 01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:57.800 it up into a book. And you know what, you're 1838 01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:00.039 gonna get paid. So there you go. There's your But 1839 01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:03.000 you couldn't get good retirement benefits from the Secret Service. 1840 01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:05.359 We got a retirement benefit. 1841 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:08.840 For you, you. 1842 01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:09.920 Know what I'm saying. So that's what I think happened there. 1843 01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:14.199 It's pretty simple. And look, if you're like in your 1844 01:44:14.239 --> 01:44:16.279 eighties and you're sitting there going I don't have much 1845 01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:18.319 of a retirement here. I got nothing to leave to 1846 01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:22.439 the grandkids and whatever, and somebody comes along and basically says, well, look, 1847 01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:24.119 we can put a million in your bank and all 1848 01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:25.880 you got to do is bs a little bit, take 1849 01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:29.560 advantage of a situation that you were somewhere near. I'm 1850 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:33.239 not saying it's right, but I am saying it makes 1851 01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:35.319 sense that somebody would just go, yeah, you know what, 1852 01:44:35.439 --> 01:44:38.239 screw it. I put up with for years people questioning me, 1853 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:41.439 acting like I'm this and that and whatever and asking 1854 01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:43.359 me about you stuff bunch of stuff. And all I 1855 01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:46.199 was was the driver, will screw you. You know what, 1856 01:44:46.279 --> 01:44:48.479 I'll cash in on this now. Thanks. Because he went 1857 01:44:48.520 --> 01:44:51.520 around on that book tour with plane and you know 1858 01:44:51.600 --> 01:44:55.239 he didn't get paid a lot. You know what I'm saying. Him, 1859 01:44:55.279 --> 01:45:00.560 and I'm sure that you know him, and what's his 1860 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:03.199 name there, you know, had to go around. I mean 1861 01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:05.239 he was spent a lot of years as an alcoholic. 1862 01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:08.439 The guy who was Jackie's agent, you know what I'm saying. 1863 01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:11.560 The guy who actually did his job, Clint Hill. You know, 1864 01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:14.159 Clint Hill spent a lot of years drinking himself to death. 1865 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:17.119 He probably needed the money, and Landis went around because 1866 01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:19.319 he needed the money. He looked at Gerald Blaine getting 1867 01:45:19.319 --> 01:45:21.279 paid and said, this guy was a paper pusher. I 1868 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:27.960 at least drove a car. You know, hey, how about this? 1869 01:45:28.239 --> 01:45:30.039 And he gave us a story? 1870 01:45:30.520 --> 01:45:32.720 And how about this? Here's entertaining? You know how you 1871 01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:35.159 guys keep asking where did the bullet come from? And 1872 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:37.399 why would a guy you know, pushing away a stretcher 1873 01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:40.279 from the restroom find a bullet and all this, Well, 1874 01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:44.199 I'll give you the answer. Boom. Anyway, Jimmy, why don't 1875 01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:46.279 you hang on? We've done a hell of a lot 1876 01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:48.479 of JFA talk here and I think I put Bpete 1877 01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:51.560 to sleep, but you know, I'll check in with him 1878 01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:54.319 in a second, and I'll put you on hold cause 1879 01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:57.239 I know I got another caller here. Bet Pete. Anything 1880 01:45:57.239 --> 01:45:59.279 you want to add throw in or you want to 1881 01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:01.159 just wake up him in what's up? 1882 01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:04.640 Well? Now, I was why y'all were talking of. Fetter's 1883 01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:06.920 name was brought up. I went to check the update 1884 01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:08.159 on his situation. 1885 01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:14.319 He's partially he's partially satisfied the four hundred and some 1886 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:21.039 odd thousand that he owed Posner, but he's appealed. 1887 01:46:21.680 --> 01:46:24.359 The decision that basically said pay up. 1888 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:28.119 He's claimed bankruptcy for one hundred thousand dollars of it. 1889 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:33.800 It still owes to six hundred and fifty thousand dollars 1890 01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:37.640 and in fact, he just filed paperwork on the appeal 1891 01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:39.920 this month, so just a couple of weeks ago. 1892 01:46:40.039 --> 01:46:41.159 So it's still ongoing. 1893 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:45.159 Okay, so basically half of it's kind of taken care of, 1894 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:47.600 but on the other half, he's appealing. 1895 01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:49.439 About two. 1896 01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:54.399 About half of the initial judgment of the four hundred 1897 01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:56.760 and fifty has been satisfied. And that was him having 1898 01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:00.159 to give up his website rights to the book blah 1899 01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:04.520 blah blah, blah blah blah, a couple of things, accounts 1900 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:05.960 that had a little bit of money in ato a 1901 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:10.239 couple of thousand years better. But Pausers not back and 1902 01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:12.600 off He's going to hold him accountable for the Diami 1903 01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:13.800 squeeze out of him. 1904 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:18.840 Right well, and you know what again, I'm still amazed 1905 01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:23.439 that you know, did he have that much money? You know, 1906 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.399 where where did the money come from? You know, the 1907 01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.199 guy was able to travel, He was able to do 1908 01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:31.279 a lot of things. And I don't think that what 1909 01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:33.960 was the name of the college he was a professor. 1910 01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:37.640 At exactly University of Minnesota, Duluth. 1911 01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:41.600 Okay, so the University of Minnesota, Duluth. I mean, do 1912 01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:45.079 they pay professors of philosophy all that. 1913 01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:50.079 Well, I mean, well he's emeritus, he's retired, so he's 1914 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:53.279 drawing his retirement from the from the system. I don't 1915 01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:56.039 know how much that's bringing in, and I think they 1916 01:47:56.119 --> 01:47:59.600 determined that part of that is not touchable. Okay, but 1917 01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:01.720 I think Possible was going to make him put his 1918 01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:02.920 house on the market as well. 1919 01:48:03.319 --> 01:48:03.520 Well. 1920 01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:05.960 A few years ago. He wasn't retired, right, I mean, 1921 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:08.319 he didn't retire like you know, twenty years ago, did 1922 01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:10.000 he No. 1923 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:11.640 He retired about ten years ago. 1924 01:48:11.880 --> 01:48:15.720 Okay, so you know when he started his Conspiracy Land 1925 01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:20.439 conspiracy Culture run. He's still a professor there. So all 1926 01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:24.359 I'm saying is is, over these past three decades, the 1927 01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:27.319 guy has traveled a lot, you know what I mean, 1928 01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:32.439 He's held conferences, He's clearly put money into certain things, 1929 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:35.279 and you know, he's been able. 1930 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:38.840 To think his I think his I think his wife 1931 01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:42.119 was working as well, durned part of that, so he 1932 01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:43.399 was able to. 1933 01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:44.159 Play with his money. 1934 01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:47.600 He's always said the money he made off the confidences, 1935 01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:51.079 he put right back into the next one. So you know, 1936 01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:53.319 and I don't know what he's done book sales wise, 1937 01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:54.520 what he's been pulling off of that. 1938 01:48:55.359 --> 01:48:58.880 Well, that's believable. I mean, realistically, I know, these conferences 1939 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:00.119 don't make a lot of money. 1940 01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:04.359 Okay, h let's see he retired in two thousand and six, 1941 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:07.119 is when he became professor emeritis. 1942 01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:14.600 Okay, I mean when I when I look at a 1943 01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:17.520 successful conference, though, to be honest with you, it looks 1944 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:24.239 to me like at a good time, you maybe get 1945 01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:28.680 twenty five percent above what it is you put into 1946 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:31.840 the thing on a good on a good year. It's 1947 01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:35.439 not a big money maker, you know, the conference in 1948 01:49:35.479 --> 01:49:38.279 and of itself. Now, I don't know how, you know, 1949 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:42.520 if the publishing businesses obviously changed, book sales are different 1950 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.560 for people self published, et cetera, et cetera. I know, 1951 01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:48.840 there's not a huge chunk of change really in publishing anymore. 1952 01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:51.159 Unless you have, you know, a book that's on fire 1953 01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:54.439 and millions and millions of copies or sold. It's not 1954 01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.560 a great business either. So what I'm saying is is 1955 01:49:57.600 --> 01:49:59.239 how does he end up with the money though to 1956 01:49:59.279 --> 01:50:05.079 make these trips hips and journeys to places without you know, 1957 01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:08.600 sinking a lot of money into travel and the expenses 1958 01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:12.880 of doing an investigation, uh, you know everything. I mean, 1959 01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:15.079 there's a lot of money that went into this stuff 1960 01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:17.800 where he's running around. We're going to go to Connecticut, 1961 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:19.520 We're going to go to this place. We're going to 1962 01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:22.560 go and bother this person who moved away, you know. 1963 01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:25.600 And I've always wondered where the money came from, or 1964 01:50:25.640 --> 01:50:28.039 even the money to go to conferences and things where 1965 01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:31.479 he's not running them. He's not being paid to show up, 1966 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:34.399 but he has the money to show up and cause 1967 01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:38.319 a disturbance. That happened a bunch of times, not only 1968 01:50:38.359 --> 01:50:41.039 with the nine eleven good. 1969 01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:45.159 Yeah, but he's been he's been backed by various small organizations. 1970 01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:47.560 I mean, he was on the payroll for Russia today 1971 01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:48.279 for a while. 1972 01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:50.920 I think he was getting a little bit. 1973 01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:55.840 Of money through Veterans today and that scam that they 1974 01:50:55.880 --> 01:50:59.399 had going on wrong. You know, he's he's had his 1975 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:03.039 fingers leveral dodgy things from start to finish. And like 1976 01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:05.000 I said, I don't know how many books he's sold, 1977 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:08.399 but he's got, you know a bunch of them out there. 1978 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:10.840 I don't think that he'd be making enough off of 1979 01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:14.920 that to you know, to to fund. 1980 01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:18.279 His his gallivant around running his. 1981 01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:20.920 Seminars and stuff. 1982 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:24.720 But that's my new hat various forms of income, was 1983 01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:26.159 even since his retirement. 1984 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:29.039 Yeah, but that's my point is it doesn't really match up, 1985 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:31.279 you know what I'm saying. It's like, Okay, you have 1986 01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:35.319 a steady job, but you know, be beat on the 1987 01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:37.319 drop of a hat. You know, if I told you 1988 01:51:37.359 --> 01:51:39.560 I got to bring my family to go and be nearby, 1989 01:51:39.640 --> 01:51:42.920 you go rent us a couple of hotel rooms, rent 1990 01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:46.039 us a car and stuff like that. I mean, unless 1991 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:47.720 you're going to dig into a credit card and you 1992 01:51:47.800 --> 01:51:49.880 must have a decent amount of credit to run up 1993 01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:52.760 to get that done. You couldn't do that like on 1994 01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:56.880 the drop of a dime. And you definitely couldn't fund us. 1995 01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:59.680 He's always had his websites too, and I don't know 1996 01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:02.239 how much he's pulling in off of that. You know, 1997 01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:05.239 he had his radio programs there for a while. In fact, 1998 01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:08.560 I think he still does one day a week. Yeah, 1999 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:09.479 he's not mistake. 2000 01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:12.680 He's got some kind of you know, radio thing like 2001 01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:15.399 I have pretty much, which doesn't cost you know, a 2002 01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:17.520 huge amount of money to keep running. But it does 2003 01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:22.359 cost some money. Uh, And I'm certain somebody sponsors that. Sure, 2004 01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:25.880 but the radio shows in the podcasts are not big 2005 01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:29.439 money makers. Unless you're one of these corporate backed things 2006 01:52:29.439 --> 01:52:33.079 that already has you know, an investor, a good steak 2007 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:37.600 type person, you know what I mean, heavy sponsors. 2008 01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:39.199 Being paid by Press TV too, which was you know, 2009 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:42.039 the Iranians had their little cigare in the pie. 2010 01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:45.399 So he's been sucking paychecks from several people. 2011 01:52:46.680 --> 01:52:49.279 Yeah, I'm just saying that. Just it doesn't quite compute 2012 01:52:49.279 --> 01:52:51.800 to me that he had the resources to do a 2013 01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:53.640 lot of the things I've seen him do in some 2014 01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.079 of the self publishing, even where he's printed many many 2015 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:59.079 books and put out DVDs and you know, he used 2016 01:52:59.119 --> 01:53:04.159 to have like a nine hour series on DVD about 2017 01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:13.880 the jfk assassination. You ever see that thing? Yeah you have? Yeah, yeah, okay, 2018 01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:16.359 But this wasn't the one that was out there for free. 2019 01:53:16.399 --> 01:53:20.439 This was like a special set that you know, had 2020 01:53:20.479 --> 01:53:23.039 all these films in it and had all these resources 2021 01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:24.800 on it, and it had a dog. 2022 01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:25.600 I've seen that. 2023 01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:27.840 I've seen what's been put out there, you know for 2024 01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:28.600 the public. 2025 01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:30.960 No. See, that's the thing is, you know he had 2026 01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:32.680 something like this out there for I think it was 2027 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:36.319 like fifty bucks where you got you know, a seminar, 2028 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:38.880 I mean three hours or so was spent on the 2029 01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:41.600 Zubruder film. And he actually had David Lifton come in 2030 01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:44.439 and do a whole thing about the Zubruder film being faked. 2031 01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:49.159 And you know, now everybody's saying to themselves, wait, I 2032 01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:51.600 remember David Lifton going around and lecturing about that. He 2033 01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:54.880 didn't unless he was paid David Lifton. David Lifton got 2034 01:53:54.920 --> 01:53:58.319 paid to go to the University of Minnesota and have 2035 01:53:58.479 --> 01:54:02.960 this thing filmed to have it distributed later. And it 2036 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:05.800 was pretty extensive. And why is it that David Lifton 2037 01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:07.319 is not one of the people that you see a 2038 01:54:07.319 --> 01:54:09.960 lot of regarding the Zapruder film being faked and all that. 2039 01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:15.239 Guess why? Because nobody bought it from David Lifton. It 2040 01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:18.760 wasn't as credible as he tried to make it look 2041 01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:21.359 and sound. It didn't work out. Let's go over to 2042 01:54:21.399 --> 01:54:23.399 our next caller, though, because they might not want to 2043 01:54:23.439 --> 01:54:26.479 talk JFK. They might have something completely different on their mind, 2044 01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:31.960 unless you want to tack something else on Bpete. Sure, 2045 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:36.159 all right, and I'll try and shut up and sit back, 2046 01:54:36.199 --> 01:54:38.520 because I think is this Danny. 2047 01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:43.920 No, this is Harlan, Well, it kind of is Danny, 2048 01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:45.359 but we're going to Harlan. 2049 01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:48.600 Right now, right. Sorry, Sorry Harlan. I didn't mean to 2050 01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:51.600 misidentify you there, but it just said wireless caller again, 2051 01:54:51.640 --> 01:54:54.319 no matter how I've tried to label you. So anyway, 2052 01:54:54.359 --> 01:54:56.279 how you doing this week? What's on your mind? 2053 01:54:59.199 --> 01:55:02.600 Yeah, I'm just trying to get through this sickness that 2054 01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:04.520 I've had here for the last couple of weeks. I 2055 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:06.199 was on Hope for a while. I guess I was 2056 01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:07.680 on Hope about thirty minutes. 2057 01:55:08.399 --> 01:55:09.239 Yeah, sorry about it. 2058 01:55:09.319 --> 01:55:13.279 I start like tyling to give everybody a little bit 2059 01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:16.239 of an update on Chris Graves. 2060 01:55:17.760 --> 01:55:19.319 All right, well I haven't been able to get through 2061 01:55:19.359 --> 01:55:20.199 to them, but go ahead. 2062 01:55:22.159 --> 01:55:26.439 I've got a direct line for him now. That other 2063 01:55:26.479 --> 01:55:29.319 one hardly nobody could get through to him, the one 2064 01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:34.439 that I had sent you, I guess like over a 2065 01:55:34.439 --> 01:55:37.119 week ago, and I got another one I said to 2066 01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:38.960 you on Twitter and I don't know if that was your. 2067 01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:41.399 Why for your son said Chuck's in the hospital. 2068 01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:44.239 Have you been in the hospital, as were Oh, yeah, 2069 01:55:44.279 --> 01:55:47.239 well I did make yeah, I was in for a bit, 2070 01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:50.119 so that might have happened during that. I'll have to 2071 01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:52.600 go back over the messages. Sorry about that. I'll go look, 2072 01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:54.399 you know, later, not right now. 2073 01:55:54.640 --> 01:55:59.319 Well, if you if you look, I sent you a 2074 01:55:59.359 --> 01:56:00.880 screen shot of his. 2075 01:56:01.079 --> 01:56:07.720 Num Okay, well i'll pick that up and you know, 2076 01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:10.479 see what's what. But I wasn't aware of that. 2077 01:56:10.640 --> 01:56:14.319 Sorry, you'll give him, give him a shaft or you know, 2078 01:56:14.359 --> 01:56:17.439 if you can't, I'm sure to go ahad there for me. 2079 01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:20.760 Well, you know, I don't know how glad he'd be here. 2080 01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:24.319 You know, I don't know how glad he'd be, or 2081 01:56:24.319 --> 01:56:26.920 what condition he's in or whatever else. But him and 2082 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.720 I didn't exactly part on good terms, So I don't 2083 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:31.920 know how that'll be. But I'll take a look at 2084 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:34.600 that later when we're done with the shows tonight, after 2085 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:37.359 midnight sometime. Obviously I'm not gonna try and call him 2086 01:56:37.399 --> 01:56:40.520 after midnight, but uh, you know i'll look into doing 2087 01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:44.720 that far yeah, tomorrow or something. Okay, So anyway, anything 2088 01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:48.159 else on your mind, man, Well. 2089 01:56:48.279 --> 01:56:51.479 You know, I don't know a whole lot about faster 2090 01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:53.319 you guys been talking about. 2091 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:54.359 I've seen a few. 2092 01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:56.520 Of his videos. I've been hearing a few shows he 2093 01:56:56.640 --> 01:56:59.600 was on. But didn't he get saved or get in 2094 01:56:59.640 --> 01:57:04.600 trouble something to do with the unspeakable event and Connecticut 2095 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:07.199 in two thy and twelve. Is that what I goes 2096 01:57:07.239 --> 01:57:07.560 back to. 2097 01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:10.680 Yeah, that's where we were talking about regarding the settlement there. 2098 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.079 B Pete was giving us an update on that. You 2099 01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:17.079 were saying, be Pete that I'm a little confused on it, 2100 01:57:17.159 --> 01:57:18.680 but you want to go back over that for Harlan 2101 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:20.399 explain to him what's going on with that settlement? 2102 01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:25.640 Yeah, originally they found him supposedly they wrote. 2103 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:29.399 Well, that's the whole thing. What did he supposedly do wrong? 2104 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:30.479 It was a defamation. 2105 01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:34.560 It was the father of one of the kids that 2106 01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:42.800 was killed, presented online, presented in one of these discussion groups, 2107 01:57:42.840 --> 01:57:48.039 a copy of the death certificate for his son. Setzer 2108 01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:54.680 was claiming that nobody died this kid was actually his brother. 2109 01:57:55.880 --> 01:58:01.479 They had invented this entity. There was no there was 2110 01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:05.119 no youngest son of Winter poster that that ended up 2111 01:58:05.159 --> 01:58:05.800 getting kids. 2112 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:20.239 Hmm okay, Bope, is everybody still here? Uh? Did I 2113 01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:29.199 lose audio? Be Pete? Are you there? Uh h hopefully 2114 01:58:29.239 --> 01:58:31.560 I'm still broadcasting here, guys. Let me go take a 2115 01:58:31.560 --> 01:58:38.479 look at my broadcast setup. What's going on? Huh? B Pete? 2116 01:58:38.479 --> 01:58:49.840 Can you hear me? Sir? You appear to be there visually. Okay, 2117 01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:52.960 I am not certain what's going on here on the broadcast, folks. 2118 01:58:53.359 --> 01:58:55.479 Apparently I don't know. I don't have sound from B 2119 01:58:55.600 --> 01:58:59.520 Pete all of a sudden, and my phone line appears 2120 01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:04.840 to be hooked up but is not currently making any sound. 2121 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:07.560 So I'm not getting any word from my co host, 2122 01:59:07.560 --> 01:59:12.319 and I'm not I'm not getting any word from anybody. 2123 01:59:13.039 --> 01:59:16.000 All right, let's try and redo this here right live 2124 01:59:16.079 --> 01:59:20.079 on the air, I guess, and try and reconnect because 2125 01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:24.399 I somehow lost Harlan, I've lost Bpete. And let's see 2126 01:59:24.399 --> 01:59:31.800 what we can do here Friday Night Live calling show. 2127 01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:34.760 I guess things happen. I'm trying to reconnect here on 2128 01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:38.800 the Skype to get back into it, and I don't 2129 01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:42.800 know what's going on, guys, not at all. I'm not 2130 01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:46.560 sure if I've lost internet here. If I have, then 2131 01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:49.600 this is being recorded and you guys are not hearing it. 2132 01:59:50.600 --> 01:59:54.960 Let's see. But yeah, so I'm being recorded and trying 2133 01:59:55.000 --> 02:00:03.720 to dial back into my own phones, and I guess 2134 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:13.359 I'm just being recorded in my internet's down. Yeah, Well, 2135 02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:22.600 with that, perhaps I have lost the recording entirely. No 2136 02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:26.680 idea what's happening here? Guys? So I appear not to 2137 02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:30.279 have a stream. I have a now a non answering 2138 02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:38.600 skype and that's that. So I don't know what to 2139 02:00:38.680 --> 02:00:52.199 tell you. If youse expressed my caller schools there anyone 2140 02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:53.680 else who happens to get on the air to Kelly 2141 02:00:53.720 --> 02:00:56.000 dot com. You not necessarily reflect the US little Kelly 2142 02:00:56.039 --> 02:00:58.399 dot com or chum. 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