Speaker 1: December twenty twenty twenty four. Gee, we're almost out of days.
Speaker 1: When I got to start remembering to say twenty twenty five? Huh? Anyways, Friursday,
Speaker 1: Friday night. We are live. It is about nine and
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Speaker 1: What's in the news, what's not in the news, what's happening,
Speaker 1: what's not happening, What it is you want to see happening.
Speaker 1: How about what's going on in your life? I don't care.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want to discuss. You want to talk about
Speaker 1: the Batman movie style purp walk They gave Mangioni this week.
Speaker 1: The media was there. It was a big to do.
Speaker 1: Oh I guess, I don't know. Is it a big
Speaker 1: to do at this point? Oh? Yeah? What is it?
Speaker 1: Fanny Willis is now disqualified, So are they gonna retry
Speaker 1: him in Georgia? Probably not? And guess what? All that
Speaker 1: stuff keeps evaporating. Somebody bearing a striking resemblance to myself
Speaker 1: said something like this, but you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, do I. Anyway, hopefully you guys
Speaker 1: enjoyed some of the podcasts from this week. I didn't
Speaker 1: get Larry's out yet, but we're gonna be talking about Syria.
Speaker 1: That'll be coming out over the weekend along with this
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Speaker 1: So we'll put out that podcast too at the end
Speaker 1: of the week here, probably around Sunday or so. I'll
Speaker 1: get them out, but we'll see. We'll see how it
Speaker 1: all goes. Anyway. Three one nine five two seven five
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Speaker 1: can reach out to me Charles dot Ucelli on Skype
Speaker 1: and if you want to do that, I'll more than
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Speaker 1: into the show in the meantime. The only one that
Speaker 1: I've added into the show so far is my co
Speaker 1: host b Pete. How's it going to be, Pete? What's
Speaker 1: on your mind this week? Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's been kind of a weird week. I've been experiencing
Speaker 3: I have arthritis in my hands, a gift.
Speaker 2: Of my mother congress persal.
Speaker 3: But it's been really bad this past week with this
Speaker 3: cold weather and with these trunks moving through. For some reason,
Speaker 3: my hands are just taking to the phone, makes it
Speaker 3: hard to do anything.
Speaker 2: Put that coffee cup. If I can't do that, then
Speaker 2: I might as well just go ahead to kick off.
Speaker 3: Other than that, it's been a busy week. We're trying
Speaker 3: to putting things up, get ready for the holidays. Track
Speaker 3: it's going to shut down for a few days so
Speaker 3: we can get up on PaperWorks and some other stuff.
Speaker 2: But other than that, not much.
Speaker 3: And enjoying a cold day, well a seasonal let's just
Speaker 3: say this is normal attempts for us, not the thirties
Speaker 3: and that we've been dealing with.
Speaker 1: Right, right, it's cold in the southeast. For the Southeast,
Speaker 1: you know, this would be nothing. This would be September
Speaker 1: weather in the Northeast. But in the Southeast, this is cold. Right.
Speaker 2: Oh, we only got out open the state cloudy all day.
Speaker 3: You want to hit the low fifties, but with a
Speaker 3: wind blowing, so it was kind of cutting through the
Speaker 3: and we got a front coming through the night that
Speaker 3: maybe once that passes my hands and le's up a
Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit of rain out of it,
Speaker 3: and it's supposed to be in the forties over the weekend.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's cold for us. Considering this is
Speaker 3: just what tomorrow's first day of winter today, I think.
Speaker 1: That tomorrow and tomorrow twenty first, I think would be
Speaker 1: the first day winning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we fifties is our normal camp.
Speaker 3: This time, it's really been it's been cool for the
Speaker 3: past two weeks.
Speaker 1: Right, because we dropped into the twenties and thirties here
Speaker 1: a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then it shoots back up to seventy for
Speaker 3: three days and rain.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a wonder that half of the state
Speaker 2: isn't sick.
Speaker 1: Right right, Well, I have not been well just yet
Speaker 1: throughout this time period. I mean I started getting better
Speaker 1: after dealing with a few things, but now I'm feeling
Speaker 1: sick again. I don't know, it's just it's the fun time,
Speaker 1: is what it is. I don't know. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a slow and quiet Christmas here, so you know,
Speaker 1: nobody coming to visit, nothing happening here. So it is
Speaker 1: what it is. But you know, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: you guys are going hectic for the holidays or are
Speaker 1: people still doing that? Do people travel anymore? I mean,
Speaker 1: is that a fake at this point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, traveling is lay up.
Speaker 3: We've noticed a big increase the past two days on
Speaker 3: the job site. Not a traffic coming time. Courts all
Speaker 3: say this weekend is going to be super busy. Apparently
Speaker 3: people have got enough time they can leave.
Speaker 2: This weekend and get out. Of course, I think the
Speaker 2: busiest traveling to call it force like Christmas Eve. But
Speaker 2: people on the roads, people are moving. People got a
Speaker 2: little bit of money.
Speaker 3: They're not going this far as they used to since
Speaker 3: their dollar doesn't stretches as far. But yeah, they're predicting, Uh,
Speaker 3: they're predicting levels pre COVID for traveling this year.
Speaker 1: Well that's strange considering everybody's broke. But then again, you
Speaker 1: know people are too broke. I guess I guess only
Speaker 1: some of us are broke, because uh, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: I know has broke. But it doesn't mean that everybody
Speaker 1: in the world is, I guess because you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even consider going anywhere for the holiday season. Uh,
Speaker 1: with the expenses and just trying to like eat away
Speaker 1: from home for God's sake is impossible for me, you
Speaker 1: know at this point. So I mean, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: consider it.
Speaker 3: Uh, Well, the farthest I'm going to travel as the
Speaker 3: two blocks over to my friend's house and have dinner
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 2: On Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
Speaker 2: I'll go on two blocks. That's my limit.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, two blocks is further than you might have
Speaker 1: went a couple of years ago. Anyhow, So what's happening
Speaker 1: in the world outside of that? I mean, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing except what Trump is on tour even though he's
Speaker 1: not in office yet. Well, we have the government shutdown
Speaker 1: thing happening. What's going on with that today? Did you
Speaker 1: see they passed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they passed what was.
Speaker 4: It, their third spending plan finally passed, So I'll carry
Speaker 4: us to the I think till March, right, And basically
Speaker 4: what they did is they combined three separate bills.
Speaker 3: It's basically got whatever it needs to keep the government
Speaker 3: running at current levels. They've got something for the farm
Speaker 3: bill in there for farmers that are having trouble get
Speaker 3: loans in that because of this pasting's weather.
Speaker 2: And then emergency relief for everybody to be affected.
Speaker 3: By Helene and whatever the other hurricane was that trucked
Speaker 3: through Florida down there, the second one that came from
Speaker 3: so some people are looking forward to that. I know
Speaker 3: our state is going to be happy with some of
Speaker 3: the hurricane relief because we've still got people living intents
Speaker 3: and it's snowing in the mountains where it's not going
Speaker 3: to be a warm Christmas for them by no means.
Speaker 3: But some other economic stuff, what is it. Party City
Speaker 3: is closing all their stores. They're going out of business,
Speaker 3: and they have been a staple in most major cities.
Speaker 2: I know everywhere I've lived.
Speaker 3: Has had a Party sent and I feeling they're going
Speaker 3: to be missed by a lot of people.
Speaker 2: A lot of people went there.
Speaker 3: Big Lots has closed the majority of their stores. They're
Speaker 3: hoping for a buyout or they're going to have to
Speaker 3: lay off a lot of employees and maybe not make
Speaker 3: it out of bankruptcy if they can't find a buyer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see, they're probably going to reorganize like Red
Speaker 1: Lobster did not too long ago. Right, Red Lobster still exists.
Speaker 1: I thought they were going out of business, but they
Speaker 1: still exist. I saw TV commercials just the other day
Speaker 1: for them. Apparently they Yeah, they.
Speaker 5: Were what they did, they closed, they closed their worst
Speaker 5: profitable stores and then with three Chapter eleven they didn't
Speaker 5: have to be bought out by somebody, and they have
Speaker 5: limited they've changed their menu and limited by trick Fest
Speaker 5: where it was all you could eat shrimp, right, you know,
Speaker 5: now they're they're setting a much higher price on it
Speaker 5: than a limit to.
Speaker 3: Things like that, because it's things like that they got
Speaker 3: them in trouble. But yeah, they did close some locations,
Speaker 3: but I think the majority of them were still open
Speaker 3: and still able to operate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, they didn't go away like Chuck
Speaker 1: E Cheese did.
Speaker 2: No well, and they changed.
Speaker 3: You know, Chapter eleven is just a reorganization, different from
Speaker 3: Chapter seven where everything gets sold.
Speaker 2: Off and you no longer exist.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: So luckily they've been able to come out of Chapter eleven,
Speaker 3: and that's why Big Lots is hoping for But I
Speaker 3: think they're they're I don't know what they've got on
Speaker 3: the books, but they're saying that they really need to
Speaker 3: find a buyer.
Speaker 1: So somebody needs to buy big lots that believes in it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise we're going to see another one of these, uh,
Speaker 1: Staple stores disappear. I guess, hey, well the Staples still exist,
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen one of those in a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 3: Staple's got they went through a buyout, I believe. And
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think because I was thinking about that
Speaker 3: the other day.
Speaker 2: You know, Office Max and Office Depot had been going
Speaker 2: at it, right, Let's see if they got sold, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I mean I remember there was a whole problem there,
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, you know, the day of
Speaker 1: the home office is over because you don't need all
Speaker 1: this crap anymore. And of course the online you know,
Speaker 1: the online business of ordering things and having them delivered
Speaker 1: to your house, well, I mean Amazon, who's no now,
Speaker 1: you know, happily donating to Trump and everything, even though
Speaker 1: about four years ago I thought he was like one
Speaker 1: of the ultimate enemies of Trump, right, was Bezos. But
Speaker 1: now he's getting cozy with him and getting in on
Speaker 1: it with the inauguration and everything.
Speaker 3: Right, Uh, Bezos and Zuckerberg both donated to his.
Speaker 2: His operation sties. Yeah, well Staples was.
Speaker 3: Sold in twenty and seventeen for six point nine billion.
Speaker 3: And let's see consult making merchanty office depot. The don't
Speaker 3: find out if they apparently they're still in business after
Speaker 3: being sold. They had a refined well we got Staples
Speaker 3: think successfully complete refinancing.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I did a.
Speaker 3: Debt refinancing and uh, it's a result that didn't retuction
Speaker 3: in the company's outstanding debt.
Speaker 2: So they're hitting better financial footing. And this was just
Speaker 2: Jill with this past year. So they're still there.
Speaker 7: There's still the.
Speaker 3: Largest big box office supply chain. Store did not realize that.
Speaker 1: Well fair enough, but then again the largest among a
Speaker 1: small portion of the business. Now again, like I said,
Speaker 1: because of Amazon and all the online ordering options you have,
Speaker 1: who bothers with even leaving their house if they don't
Speaker 1: have to, you know? So, and does anybody actually build
Speaker 1: a home office anymore? I don't know. Gigwork, you don't
Speaker 1: need it if you're going to be an Uber driver.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you need for your home office
Speaker 1: if you're an Uber driver? Not much. If you're going
Speaker 1: to deliver food, you know, grub Hub or whatever. You
Speaker 1: don't need a home office. I don't think. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that the idea of the home office might be
Speaker 1: gone anyway.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, because it's still an allowable deduction on your
Speaker 3: personal income taxes.
Speaker 2: Until that becomes useless, people will still go.
Speaker 3: Buy a printer or Stanner computer in a comfortable chair.
Speaker 2: You call it their office and take the right off.
Speaker 1: Uh. I have a hell of a time finding an
Speaker 1: affordable UH scanner printer. You know, a few years ago
Speaker 1: they were everywhere and they were cheap, and now they're gone. Uh,
Speaker 1: you can't find one anywhere. Even if you find them
Speaker 1: on a shelf somewhere on display, they're never in stock anywhere.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: I'm all of cannon here. Maybe ten years ago. It
Speaker 7: still is functioning well. If I could just find a
Speaker 7: cheap ballot for printer or ink. Yeah, see, standing it
Speaker 7: is still working great.
Speaker 1: See this is the thing that happens right as you
Speaker 1: buy the thing. It's cheap, it's great, it works good,
Speaker 1: but then you run out of ink, and guess what,
Speaker 1: you can't find ink for it. I mean that's been
Speaker 1: the other thing. Anyway, We're taking calls and I do
Speaker 1: see one on the line, so I'll get right to them.
Speaker 1: But three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six.
Speaker 1: Obviously you can change the direction of this discussion in
Speaker 1: any way you want, uh, and we're wide open to
Speaker 1: your suggestions, and who knows, maybe we'll pick up on
Speaker 1: something that you have to say and run with it
Speaker 1: for the rest of the show. I have no idea,
Speaker 1: because we're just going to fill the time up until
Speaker 1: just about ten pm Eastern here, so about an hour
Speaker 1: and forty minutes from now, you've got to call in.
Speaker 1: But if you don't join us, well then you missed.
Speaker 1: What can I say? I'm still asking for suggestions as
Speaker 1: to whether we should expand the call in nights or not.
Speaker 1: Should we do it on other nights? Maybe Friday's not
Speaker 1: the right night. I let me know, you know, if
Speaker 1: we got to reorganize things. I'm looking to reorganize in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and do some different things. You might
Speaker 1: be able to tell that from some of the recent
Speaker 1: podcasts that you know. I'm changing directions a little bit.
Speaker 1: But we'll see. I want to hear from you guys.
Speaker 1: What is it that I need to be talking about.
Speaker 1: Who do I need to be talking to? What do
Speaker 1: I need to be digging into you know, listeners supported, well,
Speaker 1: listener driven. Give me an idea what you want, and
Speaker 1: that's what will make happen. Anyway, it looks like we've
Speaker 1: got Jimmy James on the line, so let's see what
Speaker 1: he's got to say. B Pete, Jimmy, you're live man,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 8: H chuck?
Speaker 9: Thanks? I got my package, picked it up at the
Speaker 9: post office here today.
Speaker 1: Oh good. That was my next question to you is
Speaker 1: if you had gotten that package from me, because we've
Speaker 1: got troubles getting you packages in the past, man, but
Speaker 1: you actually got it this time.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yp for the first time, will second time. I
Speaker 9: finally got parcels from you and made it from the
Speaker 9: journey from Georgia to Michigan.
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. Well, I'm happy because I sent you know,
Speaker 1: extra stuff in there and everything. And I've sent you
Speaker 1: extra stuff every time, believe it or not, Jimmy, because
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and I appreciate you calling in and
Speaker 1: participating and donating and and I'm like appreciative of you.
Speaker 1: But some stuff has just simply not made it through
Speaker 1: the mail service to you or even back to me.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what to say, you know, but
Speaker 1: I've sent it every time, I assure you.
Speaker 9: So, Oh, one thing I said, I learned from the
Speaker 9: post guide. There's no point of setting anything by signature
Speaker 9: anymore because now they just half asked. They only get
Speaker 9: a signature at the end point and not all the
Speaker 9: points in between. Yeah, right, so there's no real trace, right,
Speaker 9: So I guess it's just a waste of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a total waste of money to attach the
Speaker 1: signature thing to it, because I did that one time
Speaker 1: with you too, and that's when they said to me.
Speaker 1: They gave me the explanation that okay, here's the thing
Speaker 1: I sent you books, and then I put one water
Speaker 1: bottle in the package. And they said, well, because it
Speaker 1: wasn't all media mail and it was sent somehow media mail,
Speaker 1: they probably will return it back to you. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: And I waited six months and they never returned it
Speaker 1: back to me, and they never delivered it to you,
Speaker 1: So I have no idea what happened there. And it
Speaker 1: was like plus, I asked for a signature, but it
Speaker 1: never got to you, so you never got to sign
Speaker 1: it and it just disappeared. So the only thing to do?
Speaker 1: There is it? You have assurance? Yeah? Good.
Speaker 9: I always assumed that it got sent back to you.
Speaker 9: I didn't know it was out there missing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, missing, completely missing. If I would have gotten it back,
Speaker 1: I would have sent it to you once again. But
Speaker 1: I never got it back. So you know, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you do with this?
Speaker 9: Well, other thing I bought it was in today. I
Speaker 9: got a copy of the Life magazine copy of the
Speaker 9: Warren Report.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Life Magazine.
Speaker 9: Version, Yeah, from sixty four.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I haven't had one of those in a while.
Speaker 1: I used to have various copies of it, but I
Speaker 1: haven't had one of those in a while. What is
Speaker 1: the difference between the Life Magazine one? I think it
Speaker 1: was smaller than the others somehow, wasn't it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's condensed, right, I mean open the thing. It's
Speaker 9: in glass.
Speaker 1: Oh you've got he sealed it up for you so
Speaker 1: that it's like a collector's item.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's got it like a case. This is like
Speaker 9: a little less of thirty books.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's a little high price for that. Even
Speaker 1: I probably could have got you one of those for
Speaker 1: about twelve. But you know, it's it's strange, And I
Speaker 1: definitely could have bought one of those for you at
Speaker 1: Lancer for probably ten without a problem. And another weird
Speaker 1: thing is that, you know, there was a guy on
Speaker 1: eBay for a little bit now. He had the Government
Speaker 1: Printing Office version, you know, the with the blue binding
Speaker 1: on it, the hardcover Government Printing Office version from sixty four.
Speaker 1: And what what was weird about this is that the
Speaker 1: guy had it on eBay and thought that he was
Speaker 1: going to sell it for something like three thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And I took a look at it, like, why in
Speaker 1: the hell would you think that a copy of just
Speaker 1: the Warren Report, minds you, not the twenty six volumes.
Speaker 1: You know, if he offered the twenty six volumes for
Speaker 1: three grand, that's about the right price, right. And there's
Speaker 1: actually a guy who's got a whole set of House
Speaker 1: Select Committee volumes that is interested in selling them to
Speaker 1: me for seven hundred. But I can't get the seven
Speaker 1: hundred together. I mean, I'm never gonna be able to
Speaker 1: assemble that money, but I would love to own them.
Speaker 1: But anyway, just the Warren Report itself, right, and the
Speaker 1: reason why this guy's trying to sell it for three
Speaker 1: grand is because he opened up the front page and
Speaker 1: if you notice, the report has those you know, facsimble
Speaker 1: signatures of all the Warren commissioners, right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and what he thought they were real?
Speaker 1: He thinks they're real signatures, so he was evaluating it
Speaker 1: as if it was real sign Now, look, if you
Speaker 1: had Alan Dulles's signature and everybody's signature there, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if you could get to three grand, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could get easily to half of that
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars, no problem if they were all certifiably
Speaker 1: original signatures. Okay, But effectively, all this is a printing
Speaker 1: of their signatures. Anybody who has a copy of the
Speaker 1: of the Government Printing Office Warren Commission just the report.
Speaker 1: Anybody who has that copy, I think he turned like
Speaker 1: two three pages in, you'll see all of their signatures.
Speaker 1: I know I have one behind me on my bookshelf,
Speaker 1: but I might go get it in a minute or so,
Speaker 1: just to make sure I'm saying what I'm saying is correct.
Speaker 1: But I know it's in that volume, and all it
Speaker 1: is is a reprinting of their signatures. So you know,
Speaker 1: and if you were to get even just the Warren
Speaker 1: Commission Report that is actually signed just by Gerald Ford.
Speaker 1: That goes for about three hundred dollars just Gerald Ford's signature,
Speaker 1: because he signed a special printing of the Warren Commission
Speaker 1: Report back in what two thousand and three or two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, somewhere in there he did, Yeah, he did.
Speaker 10: Oh my goodness. He was the only one that was probably.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he was pretty Earl Warren and Earl Warren's funeral,
Speaker 9: he sa donate mets in that report exactly.
Speaker 1: Earl Warren didn't you want it mentioned and and and generally,
Speaker 1: even though that's not technically the name of the commission,
Speaker 1: it is known by that name, the Warren Commission, right,
Speaker 1: Earl Warren didn't want to own it. Gerald Ford wanted
Speaker 1: to own it. He was happy about it. And like
Speaker 1: I said, he signed something like I think a thousand
Speaker 1: copies of special printed Warren Commission Report for the fortieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and you could buy those for about three
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a pop. And you know, some of them
Speaker 1: are still selling floating around at retail. They haven't gone
Speaker 1: up in value even though he died, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, and that's a presidential signature, So an
Speaker 1: original presidential what's that?
Speaker 9: I just thought it was funny since they didn't go
Speaker 9: up and value. Are they depreciating?
Speaker 1: No, they're not depreciating. They're they're holding steady, which is
Speaker 1: really funny to me because that says something right there.
Speaker 1: I mean, even James Lavelle's signature. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: take a look at people connected to the Kennedy assassination
Speaker 1: and you track like the value of their signatures and
Speaker 1: stuff like, it's really funny. Generally, what happens is, you know,
Speaker 1: if they make the news, it goes up. When they
Speaker 1: die it it goes up by anywhere from thirty percent
Speaker 1: to sixty percent. And then as time goes on, you know,
Speaker 1: certain people become more and less important. Uh, and you'd
Speaker 1: be amazed, you know, like, and it's really funny because
Speaker 1: a guy like James Tag totally devalued his own signature.
Speaker 1: Did you know that.
Speaker 10: I can imagine it because if you sit.
Speaker 9: Out at an oil all days, sign an ain't thing
Speaker 9: for anyone for free?
Speaker 10: Is it going to be worth money?
Speaker 1: Well? No, even worse. James Tag, Yeah, he did that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You know, he appeared at you know
Speaker 1: some of the conferences, and then he disappeared for a while, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, he had put out that one book,
Speaker 1: which was an excellent book, the first book that he
Speaker 1: put out about the assassination that he was a witness,
Speaker 1: and it was basically just his account and he reprinted
Speaker 1: some of the FBI documents in it and stuff, and
Speaker 1: it was a really cool book, right. And I have
Speaker 1: one of them over here, signed and I got one
Speaker 1: each from my children signed all kinds of stuff because
Speaker 1: I was talking to him, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: just a good thing to get. But here's the thing
Speaker 1: that I don't know if he realized it, but he
Speaker 1: totally devalued his own signature because he was running an
Speaker 1: eBay store for a little while, and it was a
Speaker 1: JFK Assassination eBay store, and a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: know it, but it was James Tagg's eBay store. So
Speaker 1: you would go on there and buy used JFK books, DVDs, VHS, tapes, photographs,
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff right related to the assassination. A
Speaker 1: bunch of different things that he had just I don't
Speaker 1: know where he was getting hold of them from, but
Speaker 1: he would apparently collect him up from somewhere and then
Speaker 1: put him up on eBay and sell them. And that
Speaker 1: was like his little side hustle in his later years.
Speaker 1: And as he put that, well, but he had his
Speaker 1: eBay store running and it was pretty successful, Like he
Speaker 1: would have hundreds of listings running all the time. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he had constant income from it. You can't, you know, look,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't begrudge the guy. If I had something like
Speaker 1: that that I could constantly market, I wouldn't say I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it if I needed money, right, what the hell?
Speaker 1: But the thing is that he kept including signed pictures
Speaker 1: like of the arrow where he was standing by the bridge, right,
Speaker 1: a black and white picture he would have like one
Speaker 1: of those photographic arrows like the strap booking arrows pointing
Speaker 1: to where he should be standing, and then he would
Speaker 1: sign his name. And then there were other photographs of
Speaker 1: himself that he would sign his name to. And he
Speaker 1: was giving these things to people every time they bought
Speaker 1: stuff out of his eBay store. So it was like
Speaker 1: he must have given away thousands and thousands of his
Speaker 1: signature over and over again, plus all the stuff he
Speaker 1: signed at conferences, plus the stuff that he signed you know,
Speaker 1: just for individuals who found him here and there, anybody
Speaker 1: who ever interviewed him. If you sat down and talked
Speaker 1: to him face to face, he would sign anything he
Speaker 1: asked him to. He was very accommodating. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he probably put out
Speaker 1: ten thousand signatures for nothing, you know. And in some cases, yeah,
Speaker 1: he sold them on his eBay store, but he sold
Speaker 1: them for like three dollars and four dollars for a photograph,
Speaker 1: so they was either cheap or free. You were constantly
Speaker 1: getting James Tagg's autographs, plus every one of his books
Speaker 1: he signed and all that. Now that all happened. And
Speaker 1: then after that Witness to the Assassination book, he released
Speaker 1: another book, and his new book was all about how
Speaker 1: he was absolutely convinced from insiders and people he knew
Speaker 1: in Texas that Linda Bans Johnson is the sole responsible
Speaker 1: party for the assassination. He was an LBJ did it
Speaker 1: guy and was swearing up and down that that was
Speaker 1: absolutely the truth. This and that and that book came
Speaker 1: out and around the time he started arguing with anybody
Speaker 1: who said anything any different in the research community, and
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, very famously had a nasty
Speaker 1: meltdown on me personally because he said, you know, Linda
Speaker 1: Johnson's the man who did it, and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and he gives me all these things, and he starts
Speaker 1: telling me about you know, Matdeline Duncan Brown and how
Speaker 1: she's telling the whole world the truth and nobody will
Speaker 1: listened to her. And I said, James, you know, I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I'm sorry. I'm not on board with this.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't buy it. And I know that
Speaker 1: Madeline Duncan Brown's full of craft, you know, because you
Speaker 1: know she she lied to a lot of people about
Speaker 1: a lot of things. And I'm not just saying about
Speaker 1: the assassination. She was a little She was a hustler.
Speaker 1: Even at the end of her life, she was facing
Speaker 1: criminal prosecution for check forgeries and stuff because she was
Speaker 1: always connon people. Yeah, she was connon. Who was that?
Speaker 9: Who was that cap?
Speaker 10: She was dating right before the old cap?
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I'm not sure who she was dating,
Speaker 1: but she was around a bunch of those guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: retired law enforcement guys.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he looked just like your seventy Sam.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know who you're talking about. But I don't
Speaker 1: think he was anybody of consequence. He was just one
Speaker 1: of the guys that was around her. And then there
Speaker 1: were a couple of researchers that like tried to sit
Speaker 1: her down and do a couple of like you know,
Speaker 1: final interviews with her when she was getting really old there,
Speaker 1: and those interviews were totally pathetic. I mean, she couldn't
Speaker 1: even remember her own bs. You know, they're sitting there
Speaker 1: trying to remind her of the extra Well didn't you
Speaker 1: say that, you know what was it? Jajegar Hoover was
Speaker 1: actually at the party. Oh yeah, yeah, he was there too,
Speaker 1: Like she forgot Jaeger Hoover was at the party all
Speaker 1: of a sudden. You know the party.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that party got an awful, awful bit towards the end.
Speaker 10: I mean what everyone a government?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well after a while, I mean you needed what
Speaker 1: a couple of American legion holes to hold all these
Speaker 1: guys there. I mean, there was too many people, and
Speaker 1: plus there was a bunch of people she was saying
Speaker 1: that had to be there like the day before the assassination,
Speaker 1: that we know where they were. So you know, like
Speaker 1: it's really bizarre. If you've got you know, jajeg Ar
Speaker 1: Hoover leaving at three o'clock in the morning to get
Speaker 1: from Texas to DC, and he was seen, you know,
Speaker 1: right and ready at six am in DC. It's a
Speaker 1: little tough to get him on a plane back to
Speaker 1: DC and back in place, fully dressed and you know,
Speaker 1: without being disheveled, tired or anything else, and operating for
Speaker 1: the rest of the day. That was problem number one
Speaker 1: I found. But then there were a bunch of people
Speaker 1: that she said, oh, this person was here or there,
Speaker 1: and they were actually noted and seen and surveilled outside
Speaker 1: of the country, you know, so they weren't in Texas,
Speaker 1: and I mean they weren't necessarily.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I do believe her core story about having a
Speaker 9: kid with that guy.
Speaker 10: I believe that.
Speaker 1: I do too, No, I see. But that's the thing
Speaker 1: is when you've got somebody who's involved in things and
Speaker 1: has a half truth, you know, or a partial truth
Speaker 1: to share, and then they embellish it after a while,
Speaker 1: you know, you almost lose interest in the core piece
Speaker 1: that was real. I'm certain that her son was, you know,
Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson's on, but also she wasn't quite you know,
Speaker 1: the the exclusive mistress of LBJ. He was banging anything
Speaker 1: he could and would.
Speaker 10: The whole Secretary school. Yeah, the whole Secretary.
Speaker 1: School exactly, the whole secretary pool. You know, chicks every
Speaker 1: town he went to or whatever. I mean, as much
Speaker 1: as much that was available to him. He was taking it. Okay.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was, Oh, I have my great
Speaker 1: mistress love over here. She was just one of many
Speaker 1: chicks and happened to get knocked up and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: but anyway, the rest of it outside, once you get
Speaker 1: outside of that story and you get outside of you know,
Speaker 1: maybe she knew some of these famous people. Oh you know,
Speaker 1: did she know you know, these power brokers and oil
Speaker 1: men and probably you know, probably, But once you get
Speaker 1: past that and you get into specifics and this, you know,
Speaker 1: assassination party and all that, you lose me. You know.
Speaker 9: It was basically I even believe the part where she
Speaker 9: says that LBG says, well, I won't have those damn
Speaker 9: Kenned you boys to worry about anymore.
Speaker 10: I'm sure he said. I'm sure he did say it.
Speaker 9: Afterwards.
Speaker 1: See now he might have said something like that again, yes,
Speaker 1: is he and I agree with you? Is that something
Speaker 1: like that was probably said afterwards, Hey, that's all done.
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. You know, he was probably
Speaker 1: in a celebratory mood until he realized, you know, that
Speaker 1: that he wasn't going to get to do what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do exactly, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he was happy at first because he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to get prosecuted for the insurance scams and the
Speaker 1: you know, defrauding the US government with the oil excuse me,
Speaker 1: the cotton allotments and you know, getting tax credits for
Speaker 1: unusable land that you know, and all this other garbage.
Speaker 10: That I was doing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was That was the weird thing that that
Speaker 9: that stupid fake fingerprint had me fooled. I was an
Speaker 9: LBGA man myself twenty some years ago. I couldn't explain
Speaker 9: away that fingerprint till Professor Mellen did. And then I
Speaker 9: was like, well then all of the rest of it
Speaker 9: can be explained away.
Speaker 1: Well there you go, you know. But anyway, and that
Speaker 1: was the whole thing that was the big argument with
Speaker 1: Jim tag And I'll tell you I was thinking about
Speaker 1: Jim Tak just this week because I happen to watch
Speaker 1: something with Robert Groden on it, right, And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to mention the show he was on. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to give these guys a drip drop of
Speaker 1: promotion or anything else. But they're annoying to me because
Speaker 1: they obviously don't know exactly what they're talking about. And
Speaker 1: you know, happy for your success. If you can make
Speaker 1: a success out of creating podcasts or YouTube or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what, all for you, man. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you're out there doing game plays or you know,
Speaker 1: if you're making your own cartoons, or if you're just
Speaker 1: sitting there doing movie reviews on YouTube or on a podcast,
Speaker 1: More power to you. I'm happy for you. You know, let
Speaker 1: us create real, organic media, created by real people so
Speaker 1: that the corporations don't you know, decide every single thing
Speaker 1: that's on the menu. More power to you. But when
Speaker 1: I see these guys idiotically, you know, not questioning a
Speaker 1: whole lot of nonsense, and you know, and and sort
Speaker 1: of cozying up to only you know, the big rock
Speaker 1: stars sort of of the of the particular media thing
Speaker 1: they're into, you know, only getting close to the big
Speaker 1: names and the JFK community, and they advertise themselves as
Speaker 1: you know, only the big names in the JFK community
Speaker 1: want to talk to us, you know this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Right when I listen to that and I see Bob
Speaker 1: Goroden on there, and I say to myself, well, you
Speaker 1: know what more people need to hear from Bob Goroden
Speaker 1: because some of the core stuff that Bob Roden has
Speaker 1: to talk about is absolutely essential and is priceless. And
Speaker 1: this guy actually participated in history because he had been,
Speaker 1: you know, there to testify to the Rockefeller Commission, right
Speaker 1: and part of his testimony to the Rockefeller Commission, and
Speaker 1: his showing the Zubruder film on first on local TV
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and then nationally on Auraldo Rivera's show.
Speaker 1: That was actually the second time it was shown on
Speaker 1: TV in the US, but that was the first time
Speaker 1: it was shown nationally. Just by him doing those things
Speaker 1: right there, the man participated in history, the creation of
Speaker 1: the House Select Committee on Assassinations, the interest that would
Speaker 1: snowball later, and the participation in the Oliver Stone film
Speaker 1: that would snowball again later that literally led to the
Speaker 1: creation of the AARRB. All connected through guess what. Bob
Speaker 1: Groden is present at all these events and is part
Speaker 1: of the motivating factor part of the presentation that got
Speaker 1: people thinking. So you got to say to yourself that
Speaker 1: not only his treatment of and stabilization of the Zubruder
Speaker 1: film is something that if you think the jfk assassination
Speaker 1: was important, this man is a key figure in making
Speaker 1: sure that it didn't just disappeared down the memory hole,
Speaker 1: in making sure that the visual record of it was
Speaker 1: forever etched in our brains. And some of us are
Speaker 1: way past sick of seeing the Zabruder film because you know,
Speaker 1: how many other pieces of film can you think of
Speaker 1: in your lifetime? Right, I mean, nobody would even watch pornography,
Speaker 1: the best pornography in the world that many times. I
Speaker 1: don't think the amount of times that you and I
Speaker 1: say I watched the Zabruder film is probably astronomical in
Speaker 1: number that twenty some odd seconds of film. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: he's responsible for access to that. Okay. That said, Bob
Speaker 1: has really bad ideas about a couple of things, and
Speaker 1: I mean I want to try and help him understand
Speaker 1: that he's got some bad ideas. But at the same
Speaker 1: time time, I don't want to be seen as the
Speaker 1: guy attacking a guy who I think makes some of
Speaker 1: the greatest points, has made some of the greatest points,
Speaker 1: and has been again a key figure in the progress
Speaker 1: necessary to keep people engaged with the Kennedy assassination even
Speaker 1: as an issue. But the problem is, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 9: The thing that some of these old timers.
Speaker 10: You're right.
Speaker 9: I mean, let's face it, Oliver Stone is Oliver Stone.
Speaker 10: We are not.
Speaker 9: We can't do the things he can do.
Speaker 1: True, But here's the thing about Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone
Speaker 1: doesn't know jack about ninety percent of the things that
Speaker 1: you and I know about his knowledge.
Speaker 9: Indeed, he keeps listening to Jimmy d.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but there you go. Jim Dey Eugenio obviously
Speaker 1: clearly is much more educated on every variety of topic
Speaker 1: in the subject matter than Oliver Stone. I mean, at
Speaker 1: a snap, any direction you want to go with, okay,
Speaker 1: even when it comes to the film, even when it
Speaker 1: comes to the film. Yeah, good.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna.
Speaker 9: Say, you know, Oliver Stone does a good job playing dumb.
Speaker 9: He was a Harvard professor for like many years. No,
Speaker 9: if you've got more degrees than and like a photographic memory,
Speaker 9: he plays dumb, but he's not watch them watch him,
Speaker 9: watch them.
Speaker 1: No, I'm well aware. I'm well aware of that. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, even the most sophisticated, educated whatever whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. I made this point years and years ago
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and I and I and
Speaker 1: this point will forever stick with me. You know, there
Speaker 1: were these guys that were doctors, that that were lawyers,
Speaker 1: that were you know, professionals of certain types, that were
Speaker 1: you know, involved in sophisticated computer technology and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: that lived in New Jersey, believe it or not, because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to live in New York and their
Speaker 1: business was done in New York, but they you know,
Speaker 1: actually kept their home and their family in Jersey, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And they would have to get an
Speaker 1: idiot street kid like me to come in and set
Speaker 1: up their home theater systems. They would have to get
Speaker 1: a kid like me to come in and do stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They had no concept of how to run
Speaker 1: sound from you know, the television to the amplifier to
Speaker 1: this to the speakers. No clue. They would have no idea, Oh,
Speaker 1: a plug doesn't fit. We can't make this happen. It
Speaker 1: doesn't come right out of the box fully assembled. They
Speaker 1: don't know anything they barely know how to turn the
Speaker 1: key on their own cars, so they go to somebody
Speaker 1: else who again is not necessarily harder than me, but
Speaker 1: has a base of knowledge as a mechanic, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they find out why their car doesn't turn over.
Speaker 1: Although when your doctor, lawyer, et cetera, you don't really
Speaker 1: have to do that because usually you just get another one.
Speaker 1: You know, no big deal that one no longer works.
Speaker 1: Get another house is no longer good, buy another wife
Speaker 1: is kind of looking worn out, Let's get a new one. Whatever, Right,
Speaker 1: I like that. But when they would get a house,
Speaker 1: let me finish, Let me finish the point here. Let
Speaker 1: me just finish the long winded point. If you don't mind,
Speaker 1: then I'll shut up and let you and be Pete
Speaker 1: run with this. But the long winded point is this,
Speaker 1: they would have a brand new, you know, extremely expensive.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a couple of hundred dollars worth
Speaker 1: of stuff that you set up in your living room,
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, you know, five grand worth of
Speaker 1: equipment that they would want to set up in their
Speaker 1: media room. First time I ever heard that expression in
Speaker 1: their media room, so that they had a home theater
Speaker 1: experience okay, which meant that they wanted the THHX theaters,
Speaker 1: the round sound to be set up. And this is
Speaker 1: something we used to be able to do. Set it
Speaker 1: up so that if you were in a scene in
Speaker 1: a movie, you practically felt like when somebody put a
Speaker 1: cup down on a table, it was literally being put
Speaker 1: down on that table in front of you, and you
Speaker 1: could see things as clear as the technology allowed for
Speaker 1: at that time, I mean as crystal clear as possible,
Speaker 1: better than what you could see in any given movie
Speaker 1: theater that the rest of us schmucks would have to
Speaker 1: go to to go see this thing projected on a
Speaker 1: giant screen, and these guys would have a screen that
Speaker 1: was you know, let's go with the eighty inch kind
Speaker 1: of measurement, okay, So imagine an eighty inch or a
Speaker 1: screen that takes up most of a wall in a
Speaker 1: nice den of a not small house, but a larger house,
Speaker 1: and this screen takes up significant amount of the wall
Speaker 1: so that a crowd of people could easily view every
Speaker 1: single part of that screen. Right, and the sound quality,
Speaker 1: you're not asking what the guy just said, because everything
Speaker 1: is crystal clear. If you set these things up properly, right,
Speaker 1: these guys didn't know how to plug anything in. They
Speaker 1: didn't even understand how some things might require batteries and
Speaker 1: other things might require electrical outlets in order to what run.
Speaker 1: They would bring a guy like me in and say,
Speaker 1: can you sort this pile of stuff out? So a
Speaker 1: guy who's you know, on his best day. Back then
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, if I found a job for
Speaker 1: five dollars, I thought I was rich, you know, five
Speaker 1: dollars an hour. So a five dollar hour in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven, eighty six five bucks an hour wasn't bad, right, Hell,
Speaker 1: you know what when I got when I went and
Speaker 1: did my stack as a mall Santa Claus, okay, and
Speaker 1: I was I was one of those guys that you know,
Speaker 1: you go and you get your pictures taken with with
Speaker 1: the kids. Do they do that anymore? Be beating the
Speaker 1: malls with the with the Santa Claus and take your
Speaker 1: picture with a kid? Do you know about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a certain places they do. You know, we're kind
Speaker 2: of losing that on malls.
Speaker 3: But a lot of big box stores will have a
Speaker 3: special appearance of Santa Claus.
Speaker 1: Oh, big box stores. Okay, But back then it seemed
Speaker 1: like every kind of store that had a large amount
Speaker 1: of space almost always created a Christmas village. And of
Speaker 1: course you go and pay, but you go and pay
Speaker 1: and you can get nice photographs sent home. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody's snapping pictures with their phone. Which is probably the
Speaker 1: thing that actually killed that business, is that go sit
Speaker 1: on Santa's lap. I'll take a quick picture of my phone.
Speaker 1: Because back then you had to actually pay them to
Speaker 1: make a polaroid. And even though a polaroid at retail
Speaker 1: level costs a dollar a picture to make, they charge
Speaker 1: you ten bucks and they put it in a cardboard
Speaker 1: frame and here you go, Merry Christmas. Right, memories last forever. Well,
Speaker 1: I was one of those Santas in let's see now
Speaker 1: it would be and let's see go back nineteen nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine, in Night Christmas of eighty nine, I was
Speaker 1: a mall Santa and they paid me, ready for this,
Speaker 1: seven dollars and fifty cents an hour. And tell you
Speaker 1: the truth, that was like a damn fortune in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine to get paid that. You know. The only
Speaker 1: trouble was actually good, Yeah, the only trouble was I
Speaker 1: actually had to sit there for nine hours be in
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. But I had to put on you know,
Speaker 1: the pillowed you know, almost like a fat suit, but
Speaker 1: like a cheap fat suit, and you know, velvet, velvet
Speaker 1: type of cloth, red Santa outfit right, the big hat great,
Speaker 1: you know, white beard hanging all the way down, but
Speaker 1: it's strapped behind your head. And there was like a
Speaker 1: skull cap to keep my hair back because my hair
Speaker 1: was long, longer than than it is now, and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And they put rouge on your face and white.
Speaker 1: They also took this white stuff and put in my eyebrows,
Speaker 1: and you know, it take days to get it off
Speaker 1: my face and all out of my hair and everything.
Speaker 1: But seven fifteen hour for a seventeen year old kid
Speaker 1: in a late eighties, you know, New Jersey pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, if I could have maintained
Speaker 1: that job, I could have gotten my own place in
Speaker 1: a matter of a couple of weeks. So anyway, but
Speaker 1: I didn't, not right away, not then. I got it
Speaker 1: shortly after that, when I got a more steady job.
Speaker 1: Because here's the problem. New Year's comes, they don't need
Speaker 1: Santa no more. But anyway, even back when I was
Speaker 1: doing mal Sanna and stuff like that. These people were
Speaker 1: more than happy to hand me one hundred dollars bill
Speaker 1: if I could show up, and even if it took
Speaker 1: me twenty minutes to set up their stuff, okay, and
Speaker 1: another twenty minutes to test their stuff, one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: bill they were happy to give me. Plus you know,
Speaker 1: take a six pack or whatever. There is the drink
Speaker 1: in the fridge, and you know, do you want lunch.
Speaker 1: These guys were happy because they had no clue, not
Speaker 1: even clue number one, about how to handle one of
Speaker 1: their little toys. And inevitably, while I was there, then
Speaker 1: the wife or the housekeeper would come by and guess
Speaker 1: what they would be asking me, and the housekeeper might
Speaker 1: have a shot at it, but the wife never did.
Speaker 1: They'd be asking me if I knew how to set
Speaker 1: up the electronic parts of their kitchen stuff. We got
Speaker 1: a stove, you can program it, but you got to
Speaker 1: set it up. We don't know how to set it up.
Speaker 1: We got a microwave oven, We don't know how to
Speaker 1: hell it works. They had microwave ovens that you could
Speaker 1: make all your presets for and then you could choose
Speaker 1: to create a button on the front for like, okay,
Speaker 1: here's an instant thing. Popcorn generally had a timer on it,
Speaker 1: and if you bought the same kind of popcorn all
Speaker 1: the time, you know, the microwave popcorn in a bag.
Speaker 1: At one point it was sort of like, this takes
Speaker 1: two minutes or this takes you know, two and a
Speaker 1: quarter minutes or whatever, and it should pop the entire bag. Now,
Speaker 1: there were other methods described on the boxes. But the
Speaker 1: thing is some people had microwaves that already had a
Speaker 1: button on it that said popcorn. Well, some of these
Speaker 1: rich ones, you could actually make a digital message come
Speaker 1: up on the little screen that if you touched the button,
Speaker 1: it would say popcorn, and then you could choose to
Speaker 1: press the button, which would make it cook popcorn by
Speaker 1: the ascribe time. And supposedly it changed the settings in
Speaker 1: the microwave too. That was the other thing. You know.
Speaker 1: You could use a microwave to thaw things out, or
Speaker 1: you could use a microwave to cook things, or you
Speaker 1: could use and some of them were actually combo ovens
Speaker 1: where you had a confect or oven combined with the
Speaker 1: microwave oven. So these guys who had the money would
Speaker 1: buy the top of the line thing, have no idea
Speaker 1: how to set it up, and then whether it was
Speaker 1: them or their wives or whoever was going to operate it,
Speaker 1: had no idea how to operate it. So I could
Speaker 1: literally go from room to room in a doctor's house
Speaker 1: or a dentist's house, or a lawyer's house a lot
Speaker 1: of times, and I didn't own any of these things.
Speaker 1: I just had a general idea about the logic on that,
Speaker 1: or a VCR or that was the other thing, taking
Speaker 1: some of the older things that they had that they
Speaker 1: still wanted to keep even though they had a top
Speaker 1: of the line. Let's just say they bought a VCR
Speaker 1: in the mid eighties. That wasn't the two hundred dollars
Speaker 1: or three hundred dollars VCR that you or I would
Speaker 1: have bought. They got the ones that you know, have
Speaker 1: no English on them whatsoever, but are absolutely top of
Speaker 1: the line, beautiful. You could make broadcast quality images appear
Speaker 1: on a screen. But they were made in other countries.
Speaker 1: They weren't made in America. They didn't even have American
Speaker 1: names on them, or even recognizable brand names on them.
Speaker 1: To me, so you can't read the language and figure
Speaker 1: it out. You sort of had to know the logic
Speaker 1: of the of the appliance. So I would go and
Speaker 1: set up their VCR to work, along with their laser
Speaker 1: disc player to work, along with the choice that they
Speaker 1: had to project. Instead of using a standard TV screen,
Speaker 1: they could project onto a standard screen which was a
Speaker 1: slab or a cloth kind of thing that was, you know,
Speaker 1: specially designed to be an in home movie screen. And
Speaker 1: the movie screen wasn't something where you know, it was
Speaker 1: like barely you know, it's like, oh, this is kind
Speaker 1: of crappy, like looking at the home movies from the
Speaker 1: sixties or seventies or fifties. No, this was like projecting
Speaker 1: on a smaller scale, exactly the same kind of thing
Speaker 1: you would see in a good movie theater somewhere. But
Speaker 1: they would have this stuff, and then they would have
Speaker 1: some of the older versions. They would have brand new things,
Speaker 1: and they had no idea how to make any of
Speaker 1: them work. So anytime they moved or required new stuff,
Speaker 1: they had to go get somebody like me who would
Speaker 1: never own any of these things, but would somehow know
Speaker 1: how to make them work, to set it up for them,
Speaker 1: and thusly they would pay. Like I said, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, they're paying me, and I'm looking for
Speaker 1: a five dollar an hour job. You know, in a dream,
Speaker 1: I'll probably get four dollars, but I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: five dollar an hour job. So even on a good
Speaker 1: day for me getting work somewhere, it would take me
Speaker 1: twenty hours to get to that one hundred dollars before
Speaker 1: the taxman sees it, right, and then the taxman will
Speaker 1: see it, and it won't be one hundred dollars, but
Speaker 1: twenty hours of my life could be the thing I
Speaker 1: would have to sell to get that, and I would get,
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and twenty five dollar dollars worth,
Speaker 1: because between the drinks and the you know, and and
Speaker 1: and the lunch and you know, and the cash, it
Speaker 1: maybe comes up to about one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 1: dollars altogether. Really, I would get about one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars worth of value and do forty five
Speaker 1: minutes worth of work if I knew what I was doing,
Speaker 1: and if I didn't, it still didn't take that much longer.
Speaker 1: So because I could just figure it out, these guys
Speaker 1: couldn't figure stuff like that out. So later on I
Speaker 1: discovered that, you know, when I had no money at all.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't around anybody who had any money, but
Speaker 1: I heard stories of the same kind of thing going
Speaker 1: on with these guys who were rich, guys who were
Speaker 1: you know, had you know, the great elevated jobs that
Speaker 1: are you know, way way high paid, and all that
Speaker 1: they would have computer systems in their house, they needed
Speaker 1: somebody to come in and make it so that they
Speaker 1: could just hand it to them in full working order
Speaker 1: to begin with. So they would have to have somebody
Speaker 1: come And how do you show me how to get
Speaker 1: the computer on the internet? How do you show me
Speaker 1: how to make it so that I don't want the
Speaker 1: crap screen that came with it. I bought a whole
Speaker 1: another brand new screen. How do we make this work?
Speaker 1: How do you make my plasma TV work? I have
Speaker 1: a plasma TV. Anybody remember plasma TV's. They were like
Speaker 1: the rage item per a minute, right, Plasma TV, plasma TV?
Speaker 1: How do I put the plasma TV with my computer? Now?
Speaker 1: How do I make it so that everything comes together
Speaker 1: on the one screen. Today you have smart TV's, But
Speaker 1: for a while there that required a bunch of different appliances,
Speaker 1: didn't it anyway? How did they learn how to How
Speaker 1: did they learn how to operate them, How did they
Speaker 1: learn how to set them up? How did they know
Speaker 1: what the hell even they had bought? They never did.
Speaker 1: They had to have some porschmuck come in who could
Speaker 1: function on that level and figure those things out. And
Speaker 1: that's my point about this. When you know, when you say, oh,
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone's a brilliant guy, listen, he might know everything
Speaker 1: there is to know about film. He might know I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say history, but let's choose something else.
Speaker 1: He might know everything there is to know about art.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got a degree in art. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I think he does have some sort of degree in art. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got honorary degrees, he's got degrees coming out as wazoo.
Speaker 1: But what does he actually know about certain things? He
Speaker 1: has zero idea about some of the less than academic issues.
Speaker 1: He might know everything there is to know about art,
Speaker 1: but could he even remotely come close to telling you,
Speaker 1: even explaining to you verbally, how to paint a picture?
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, like literally, what kind of paint do
Speaker 1: you use? Where would you acquire it? How would you
Speaker 1: apply it is? Do you use a brush? Do you
Speaker 1: use a sponge? Do you use your fingers, Oliver Stone,
Speaker 1: I'm almost promising you knows about as much about that
Speaker 1: as a kid who can fix his bicycle knows about
Speaker 1: how to fix your prius, okay, or your What are
Speaker 1: those toaster cars called again? Uh? The toaster box like
Speaker 1: you have a BP. Oh, the Kia Kea, the Kia Soul.
Speaker 1: That's the I always think of that I called the
Speaker 1: toaster box or the or the hamster car.
Speaker 9: They look like the old paddy wagons.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't think they look like a paddy wagon. No, no, No,
Speaker 1: you're thinking of maybe a PT Cruiser. Maybe it looks
Speaker 1: like a paddy wagon, you know, the updated PT cruisers.
Speaker 9: No, I got one of those.
Speaker 1: You got one of those? That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: But the PG Cruiser. No, no, the Kia Soul. Remember the
Speaker 1: the car commercial I don't know, fifteen years ago now,
Speaker 1: probably where the Gerbils or hamsters were dancing all together,
Speaker 1: the giant Gerbils. They were dancing together driving the Kia.
Speaker 2: Soul Hamsters non durables.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, my mistake, Hamster hamsters, not Gerbils. Because he
Speaker 1: definitely doesn't want to be associated anything related to the
Speaker 1: animals that might occasionally make trips up you know, certain
Speaker 1: people's Hershey highways. But the thing is that the Kia Soul, right,
Speaker 1: you know something like that. Yeah, I might know everything
Speaker 1: about how to make a mongoose Okay, and I do
Speaker 1: mean a bicycle a mongoose. I might know everything about
Speaker 1: how to make that thing run smoother than goose crap
Speaker 1: through a tin horn or whatever they used to say. Right,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I know anything about the Kia Soul, and
Speaker 1: vice versa. Even if I knew everything about how to
Speaker 1: make a Kia soul per baby per and last, you know,
Speaker 1: an extra two hundred thousand miles above what everybody else
Speaker 1: gets out of their kisol, And I knew everything about
Speaker 1: the maintenance, every little in out, positive, negative, etc. And
Speaker 1: you hand me a bicycle, You may not be handing
Speaker 1: the bicycle to the right guy, because I might know
Speaker 1: nothing about how to make that bicycle run, except it'll
Speaker 1: make sense to me to put the chain on thisprocket.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you is that Oliver Stone has
Speaker 1: some knowledge. Not an idiot, but he pretty much gets
Speaker 1: handed that mongoose when he knows how to run a
Speaker 1: kisol and he knows how to maintain it knows everything
Speaker 1: about that. You hand the mongoose and he goes, duh,
Speaker 1: put chain on sprucket. Looks like it works in the
Speaker 1: same place. These parts seem to fit into these parts,
Speaker 1: and he'll go no further. I mean, on the most
Speaker 1: friendly level. I'll tell you this, Professor Joan Mellen. I've
Speaker 1: had some interesting ins and outs of her, and I
Speaker 1: haven't talked about them all together publicly, but it's been
Speaker 1: really weird on occasion, and I have an affection for her.
Speaker 1: I used to live near her. I used to check
Speaker 1: on her after natural disasters would tear through our common
Speaker 1: area where we lived, not near each other exactly, but
Speaker 1: not very far from one another either, and I used
Speaker 1: to call her up, how did you get through the storm?
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Anyway? Joan Mellen, I would consider to
Speaker 1: be one of the most intelligent authors to ever write
Speaker 1: on the jfk assassination. I would consider to be an
Speaker 1: excellent writer in general. She taught at Temple University. She
Speaker 1: was a professor teaching you how to write. Okay, at Temple.
Speaker 1: This was her profession. She was good at it, she
Speaker 1: did it well. Okay, However, you asked this woman. You know,
Speaker 1: I invited her onto my show in twenty fourteen only
Speaker 1: because I couldn't get her on in twenty thirteen when
Speaker 1: I started. But I had a way to figure it
Speaker 1: out in twenty fourteen and I was going to go live.
Speaker 1: I chose her to be the first guest I ever
Speaker 1: had on a live Internet broadcast. And you know what,
Speaker 1: even though Joan Mellon had a Skype account, she had
Speaker 1: no idea how to get into her Skype account, how
Speaker 1: to use the Skype, how to utilize the mic. Now,
Speaker 1: this is something so commonplace. I've seen, you know, four
Speaker 1: year olds deal with Skype and set up Zoom and
Speaker 1: other things. Because in our current digital world, in our
Speaker 1: current existence, during the you know, COVID exercise, all of that,
Speaker 1: guess what was going on? Then everybody and their mother
Speaker 1: picked up how do you run these things so that
Speaker 1: we can have meetings, so we can have a face
Speaker 1: to face, so I can snapchat you, so I can
Speaker 1: stipe you, so I can have a zoom meeting with
Speaker 1: you and the family and or business or what. It
Speaker 1: didn't matter. Everybody and their mother learned how to do this.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this right now as brilliant as Joan
Speaker 1: ever was, as brilliant as she is or is not
Speaker 1: now is irrelevant. She as smart as she was in
Speaker 1: the areas that I knew she was brilliant in. Plus,
Speaker 1: let's not forget as a biographer. That's a skill set
Speaker 1: as well. She's an excellent biographer. And I don't just
Speaker 1: say this because of JFK. She wrote a biography on
Speaker 1: Bobby Knight, the basketball coach. She wrote other biographies. Hell,
Speaker 1: if I could afford the commission any biographer at a
Speaker 1: certain point, and I wanted to write my own life story,
Speaker 1: or I had the ins and outs of somebody else's
Speaker 1: in my hands, and I wanted to choose somebody who
Speaker 1: would properly immortalize another person via a biography. I would
Speaker 1: ask Joan Mellon, Maybe not today because she's grown tired
Speaker 1: and things like that, and after her catfishing book and experience,
Speaker 1: I don't know where her mind would be at today.
Speaker 1: But if you would have asked me that question ten, twelve, fifteen,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, let me think harder twenty five years
Speaker 1: ago now, actually, if I want to think hard about it,
Speaker 1: because I was talking to her when she was writing
Speaker 1: a Farewell to Justice that's when I first started talking
Speaker 1: to Joan Mellon. I would tell you, hands down, that's
Speaker 1: the writer to go to. Doesn't matter. She's a woman,
Speaker 1: she's this, she's that, she's what. Nope, that's the writer
Speaker 1: to go to. If you care about generating a biography
Speaker 1: that matters, that will be done properly, and that will
Speaker 1: not shy away from significant facts. This is the woman
Speaker 1: to go to. And not just again, not just because
Speaker 1: she's a woman. This is the writer to go to. Period.
Speaker 1: That's coming from a world where you know, quite honestly,
Speaker 1: female authors in the JFK case have always been almost
Speaker 1: automatically partially marginalized. That's the true thing. I'm not mister
Speaker 1: social justice warrior on this, it's just the reality. You
Speaker 1: have to know that without some sort of assistance and
Speaker 1: support from others, I've never seen a female author actually,
Speaker 1: and I mean like strikeout on her own and on
Speaker 1: her own merits even create a fairly decent amount of
Speaker 1: success in the JFK literature in general.
Speaker 9: I could sick of one.
Speaker 1: You can, and who would that be?
Speaker 9: That woman's Meyer? The work to the un Sylphia, Sylvia Meyers.
Speaker 1: You know what, yes, stole you stole. You stole the
Speaker 1: second half of what I was going to say. I
Speaker 1: was going to throw in and I want to see
Speaker 1: if you got it. But you're right, that is the
Speaker 1: own one. She came in on her own, presented her
Speaker 1: stuff and put it out there. And what was she
Speaker 1: before that? She was a secretary, a secretary at the
Speaker 1: un So there's her background. She had to have the
Speaker 1: organizational skills to pull things together. And what did she do.
Speaker 1: She created that index that was the big thing, and
Speaker 1: then accessories after the fact. But she's the only female
Speaker 1: author to come in and absolutely stand on her work
Speaker 1: at all and become you know, recognized as one of
Speaker 1: the responsible, as one of the good ones, as a
Speaker 1: great contributor to the literature, et cetera, all that stuff
Speaker 1: on her own. Sylvia Marr is the only one. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people mispronounce it the way they read it and they
Speaker 1: call her meager, but no, it's Sylvia Marr. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so much so that even Mark Lane would have to,
Speaker 1: even with his you know, interesting ego trap he had going,
Speaker 1: would have to acknowledge that she was absolutely responsible as
Speaker 1: a forerunner as a you know, as an establisher of
Speaker 1: the modern you know, of the postmodern uh historical literary area,
Speaker 1: that is the JFK assassination literature in general, and even
Speaker 1: her contribution in a wider regard concerning just simply post
Speaker 1: modern historical literature, which in essence I believe was begun
Speaker 1: with the Rise of the Fall of the Third Reich.
Speaker 1: Where again Professor Rodger Remington used to make this point
Speaker 1: to me that you know that effectively, that was the
Speaker 1: only time in which uh and that was one of
Speaker 1: the first times in which there was the acceptance of
Speaker 1: a piece of literature regarding significant historical events that had
Speaker 1: occurred less than seventy five years prior. And that was
Speaker 1: so that.
Speaker 9: Do you know what the copyright is for that book?
Speaker 10: We here.
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, I don't go ahead,
Speaker 1: what is it?
Speaker 10: This is the Rise of Fall of the Third Reiche.
Speaker 9: And interestingly enough, it was published in nineteen forty four. Yes, huh,
Speaker 9: I thought we're end in forty five.
Speaker 1: Well see, now here we go. This was something that
Speaker 1: was now what was a copywritten orten? Now was the release?
Speaker 1: You know? Was it? You know?
Speaker 9: Along with they didn't release it's a way after. But
Speaker 9: interestingly enough, it was began in forty four. I just thought,
Speaker 9: huh interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, if it was copywritten, then that means that it
Speaker 1: had to have been submitted to the Copyright Office by
Speaker 1: the end of calendar year four to four. So it's
Speaker 1: not like it was just begun, right, it was completed. Now,
Speaker 1: how do you do that that fast? Okay? The story
Speaker 1: goes that he had that captured arc or we had
Speaker 1: a captured archive from the German government that most people
Speaker 1: around the world had never seen, and the American public
Speaker 1: had certainly not seen it, but it was in possession
Speaker 1: of the National Archives. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hold on, we're talking about the book The Rise and
Speaker 3: Fall of the Third Life, I believe.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I wasn't published until nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, see, I was going with what Jimmy said.
Speaker 1: This is why I should check some.
Speaker 8: It wasn't on nineteen sixty.
Speaker 9: That must have been a second trending.
Speaker 3: It was published in October seventeenth, nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Let me see if there was if that's a republication,
Speaker 1: or let me let me double check on this, guys,
Speaker 1: because I don't want an argument. But either date, it
Speaker 1: still falls within the parameters of what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Nineteen forty four is bizarre. Yeah, perhaps it was begun
Speaker 1: in forty four. The writing started in forty four. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I am now going to do what I
Speaker 1: would normally do, which is double check everybody's facts and
Speaker 1: see what the publishing world and the copyright office has
Speaker 1: to say, etc. Okay, and hey, BPTE.
Speaker 9: Another interesting thing about Algus Stone. I didn't know. Did
Speaker 9: you know he did sixteen years in the Marine Corps?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware he did sixteen years.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't know he did that kind of time.
Speaker 9: I mean, he's had.
Speaker 10: Like three or four careers.
Speaker 9: I'm just telling you, this guy's tricky.
Speaker 1: No, I get it, and true, but it's bill doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that if I handed him, you know, a microwave
Speaker 1: of and that he knows the damn thing what to
Speaker 1: do with it. And when it comes to the jfk assassination. Okay,
Speaker 1: what Oliver knows is limited.
Speaker 3: Anybody that would fall for Judith Baker's crap, I've written
Speaker 3: them off. I mean, Oliver Stone, Okay, you might be
Speaker 3: able to put a movie together, but you started hanging
Speaker 3: out with Judus Baker, I've got nothing. His credibility shot
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry to tell you his credibility was shot
Speaker 1: with me as somebody would be knowledgeable, long before the
Speaker 1: Judy Baker meeting. And why because when he was making
Speaker 1: the movie, JFK, let us not forget that he wholeheartedly
Speaker 1: said he bought Beverly Oliver's story. You know, he literally says.
Speaker 10: Dog.
Speaker 9: Hearing that other check or the kind of combined character,
Speaker 9: aren't things like that? Blind bim Well Garrison meets up
Speaker 9: with and she's talking about.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, Okay, Now, I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: at the beginning, but because I've seen a couple of
Speaker 1: different versions of the film, and I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it was right at the beginning, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere later after he has the discussion
Speaker 1: with Russell Long and all that. So, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a little later in the film, I think, But during
Speaker 1: the director's commentary on that scene. Okay, I remember this
Speaker 1: vividly from the DVD that I got, because I just
Speaker 1: was dumbfounded and had to rewind it to make sure
Speaker 1: I heard what I thought I heard entirely, okay, Because
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a lot of stuff in the JFK movie,
Speaker 1: and I know some of it is crap, all right.
Speaker 1: Some of it is just nonsense. It's a fiction. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, urban legend, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: And given the time period in which the film was made,
Speaker 1: you got to be forgiving of a lot of it
Speaker 1: because a lot of knowledge was being kept from people.
Speaker 1: A lot of things were still as yet classified. Certain
Speaker 1: other individuals had not come forwards, certain records had not emerged,
Speaker 1: even those that were not being held in classified hands. Right,
Speaker 1: So there were a great many things that I could forgive,
Speaker 1: especially reading the annotated screenplay. Okay, but this was unforgivable
Speaker 1: in my mind. Is he he's sitting there in the
Speaker 1: Beverly Oliver composite character, as you said, Jimmy, it's a
Speaker 1: combination on there. But the woman that he clearly means
Speaker 1: to represent Beverly Oliver in the movie, and I is
Speaker 1: named Beverly, but I don't remember if it's Beverly Oliverer.
Speaker 1: It might be Beverly's something else. But either way, you know,
Speaker 1: just like that old Kevin Bacon character in that movie
Speaker 1: is a composite. It leans on Perry Russo extremely but
Speaker 1: it's not entirely Perry Russo. There's a couple other people,
Speaker 1: so't of mixed in there the Perry Russo discussion and exposition.
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the Beverly Oliver thing. He literally
Speaker 1: says during the commentary, he goes, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people this is the Beverly Oliver section, and there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who say that she's full
Speaker 1: of shit and they just don't buy it. But they're wrong.
Speaker 1: She was there. I believe her. So he's saying this
Speaker 1: blanket number one.
Speaker 10: I agree to. I mean, I agree that.
Speaker 9: Obviously people like us have more street sense, and let's
Speaker 9: face the common sense. This is where we can help
Speaker 9: these people because they can't see some things.
Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but they have not done the
Speaker 1: same work. Okay, Like if I told, if I told
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone that, look, Oliver, if you really examine the films,
Speaker 1: do you know how many bushkah ladies there were indely Plaza. Now,
Speaker 1: my legally blind ass independently can count four, all right,
Speaker 1: four different women who have this head scarf thing going
Speaker 1: on indiely Plaza. Okay, and here's the problem with all
Speaker 1: four of them. None of them, in my estimation, is
Speaker 1: carrying a film camera. And not a single one of them,
Speaker 1: in my estimation, bears a resemblance to guess who Beverly
Speaker 1: Oliver not even close now in the grainy early days
Speaker 1: where she was an ancillary character, and even when they
Speaker 1: printed in Life magazine, and there she is as this
Speaker 1: blurry thing sort of with an obstruction around her face
Speaker 1: and all that you could make a claim I was
Speaker 1: holding a camera. She could have been holding a baby
Speaker 1: elephant in a box for all we know. You know,
Speaker 1: and somebody could say, look, because of the distortion of
Speaker 1: the film, you just can't tell. But you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of things have happened. And before AI filled it in, which,
Speaker 1: by the way AI fills it in, you ought to
Speaker 1: see what what that looks like. I have not been
Speaker 1: permitted to take a copy of these, but there are
Speaker 1: some people that are doing the debunking myths things right
Speaker 1: now that are working on something I don't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't get a clear explanation, but maybe it'll be on
Speaker 1: a TV channel sometime soon. Anyway, one of the things
Speaker 1: they're doing is letting AI fill in some of the
Speaker 1: blurs and streaks and gaps and stuff like that based
Speaker 1: on a whole bunch of you know, probabilities and likelihoods
Speaker 1: that should be sort of you know, used to clarify photographs. Now,
Speaker 1: is that a reliable, absolutely reliable piece of evidence. No,
Speaker 1: but it will clear up a lot of the garbage
Speaker 1: that we see when people have you know, for decades. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at you, mister Blevins held up a
Speaker 1: blurry ass picture and said, look, there's eight things in here,
Speaker 1: and I don't see one of them, you know, much
Speaker 1: like the good.
Speaker 9: I do kind of see the guy they call the
Speaker 9: cop guy that does look I mean sure it's the
Speaker 9: size of like a molecule, but it does look like
Speaker 9: a guy in the Dallas police outfit shooting the gun.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Okay with thatloid. Okay, if you want to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to switch to Badgeman, we can switch to Badgeman.
Speaker 1: But let me finish with Beverly here real fast. Okay.
Speaker 1: So her claims fall apart if you have a clearer
Speaker 1: picture of her, and the clearer picture of her is
Speaker 1: clearly not her. Now she's tried. If you take a
Speaker 1: listen to her description, I put you know, sunglasses on,
Speaker 1: I put a wig on, I put uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a babushka over the wig, and then I also had
Speaker 1: on a couple other things underneath me to make me
Speaker 1: look heavier than I was, because she wasn't heavier. If
Speaker 1: you look at a picture of nineteen sixty three, Uh,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, he was.
Speaker 10: A fifteen year old girl. Actually, yeah, that's why I
Speaker 10: believe most of which this is a load of crap.
Speaker 1: Well, but here's the thing in sixty three. If you
Speaker 1: just you know, pay no attention to anything else other
Speaker 1: than the visual image, she's pretty damn good looking. Okay,
Speaker 1: just saying. None of these women that you know, even
Speaker 1: though their faces are partially covered up and everything else
Speaker 1: that are wearing the babushkas, bear a resemblance to a shapely,
Speaker 1: good looking thin No, none of it.
Speaker 9: But anyway, Yeah, everyone for many years has thought that
Speaker 9: she that the girl wants an older, heavier woman than
Speaker 9: her sixties, right, and given at the time there was
Speaker 9: such a presence from the white rushing community and being surprised.
Speaker 1: Well, look, you'd think so. But here's the problem with
Speaker 1: that whole equation. And then we'll move on to Badgeman
Speaker 1: if you like. But here's the problem with that equation, Dick.
Speaker 1: This is so funny. But you know, one of the
Speaker 1: other double names that comes up in the case, right
Speaker 1: is Dick or Richard Sprague. And if you remember, Richard
Speaker 1: or Dick Sprague was at the beginning of the HSCA,
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the guy who was the head
Speaker 1: of it, right, He was supposed to be running the
Speaker 1: HSCA investigation, Richard Sprague.
Speaker 8: You recall this, right, Jimmy, Yeah, And then they fired
Speaker 8: him because he wanted to actually do it right in
Speaker 8: half five years, get money, and they're like, nah, you're
Speaker 8: out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, they wanted you know, look, we're going to
Speaker 1: reinterview these people were going to go and find this suspect.
Speaker 1: And they went, wha hold on, just look at the
Speaker 1: warrant commission stuff and be done with it. So what
Speaker 1: did they do? They went and got blaky to head it.
Speaker 1: And in between there they used that New York cop.
Speaker 1: Dear god, you know, his name is slipping in my
Speaker 1: mind at the moment, but there was a former NYPD Sorry,
Speaker 1: what a.
Speaker 10: Delsa?
Speaker 1: No, No, not aj Delsa. I'll look it up real fast.
Speaker 1: But it's it's really funny because it was uh and
Speaker 1: the guy stayed there as a special counsel or something.
Speaker 1: But anyway, let's see, former you know, this is the thing,
Speaker 1: is I've gone through so much of this crap, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, like I have forgotten more than
Speaker 1: a lot of people, know, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm slipping on a name here or there, but.
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, and it's for me, I mean yeah, I
Speaker 11: mean obviously, Oliver still can't know every thing that you know,
Speaker 11: or even know what I know, because I'm pretty much devoted.
Speaker 9: A lifetime to studying the stupid thing. And he's been
Speaker 9: a pretty busy fella.
Speaker 1: Right, And this guy even wrote some sort of fictional
Speaker 1: account of stuff having to do with the JFK assassination
Speaker 1: at one point, and I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 1: his name, but g Robert Blakey ends up coming in
Speaker 1: and running the rest of the investigation, who famously, for
Speaker 1: many years now has said, no, I don't think the
Speaker 1: CIA lied to me at all. Right, you know, so
Speaker 1: I believe this guy might have been a detective with
Speaker 1: the NYPD before having been on there. Let's see, is
Speaker 1: he is he that guy?
Speaker 11: That's is it?
Speaker 10: The guy looks into all the and some stuff.
Speaker 1: And all that now, No, no, no, not that guy.
Speaker 1: Let me let me look this up here. You know what,
Speaker 1: if I think about it, he was at the Weckt
Speaker 1: conference in two thousand and three and he hasn't made
Speaker 1: a ton of appearances, honestly for for years and years.
Speaker 1: He was like one of the impossible people to talk
Speaker 1: to regarding the HSCA when people wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: like dig into you were you were part of the HSCA,
Speaker 1: talk to me about what happened during this or that
Speaker 1: or whatever. And yeah, he was one of those guys
Speaker 1: that was hard to get for a long time. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking his first name was Robert P. Pete. You got
Speaker 1: any idea what I'm talking about here?
Speaker 2: Who was he for with?
Speaker 1: Well? That was my point is he was part of
Speaker 1: the HSCA, and he had been there with Sprague and
Speaker 1: then he transitioned from Sprague to g R.
Speaker 9: What was the guy that went with Lopez to Mexico?
Speaker 9: Is that the guy?
Speaker 1: No, that's Dan Hardaway. That's Dan Hardaway and both of
Speaker 1: the Hardway. Yeah, and both of those guys were two
Speaker 1: young people at the time, like they were like twenty
Speaker 1: years old or the two of them or whatever going
Speaker 1: down there as like you know, staffers. They were. They're
Speaker 1: lawyers today, both of them, but back then they were
Speaker 1: like junior investigators. Now I'm talking about a guy who
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in charge. He was temporarily in
Speaker 1: charge during the transition between Sprague and Blakey for the HSCA,
Speaker 1: but not much got done because they hardly got funded.
Speaker 1: They even cut off their phone lines. I think at
Speaker 1: a certain point they were like a phone company. This
Speaker 1: office no longer needs a phone and cut off their
Speaker 1: phones even while this guy was supposed to be, you know,
Speaker 1: running the investigation. Right, Yes, let me see what conference
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Let's see presenters. Maybe that would
Speaker 1: be a good way to go, right, everything's an issue
Speaker 1: with me trying to enter this. But you don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, b Pete. I know you've seen
Speaker 1: the guy on TV. We've talked about stuff regarding this
Speaker 1: guy before, and I just can't think of his It
Speaker 1: might have been Robert, but it wasn't Robert, not like
Speaker 1: g Robert Blake either. I'm telling you, if I was
Speaker 1: able to actually see and type, it would be a
Speaker 1: whole lot better. But because I got such terrible lighting
Speaker 1: in this room, and uh, well terrible eyesight. Let's be frank.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, it's hard to it's hard to get
Speaker 1: at it. Let's see lectures waxed JFK documents and videos
Speaker 1: Ducaine somewhere on here would be and this is for
Speaker 1: the fortieth anniversary. So see baumb Tannon bomb. There was
Speaker 1: tann and bomb. Robert Tannenbaum. That's it. That guy took
Speaker 1: over in the interim and everything else. But he took
Speaker 1: over and then remained on as some sort of like
Speaker 1: junior council or you know, deputy to whatever, because gee,
Speaker 1: Robert Blakey took it the rest of the way through.
Speaker 1: And strangely, at the end of the investigation, he had
Speaker 1: been allotted more money than he used. He actually returned
Speaker 1: money back to the Congress that was unused for the investigation.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds like I'm talking crazy, but I'm
Speaker 1: telling you it's true. They did not utilize all of
Speaker 1: the funding that was allotted to them under g Robert Blakey.
Speaker 1: Because you know, if you.
Speaker 9: Don't have one the one name in history, they decided
Speaker 9: to cheap out. Yeah, imagine that.
Speaker 1: Well two names in history, because remember they investigated King's
Speaker 1: assassination too.
Speaker 10: Oh, that's right.
Speaker 9: There's supposed to be kings also in that one. I
Speaker 9: always forget because no one ever talks about King anymore.
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about it. But that was literally half of
Speaker 1: what was going on there. It wasn't just also supposed
Speaker 1: to be. No he was in there. They investigated, by
Speaker 1: the way, some of those all that stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: the stuff that was going to be withheld for the
Speaker 1: next seventy five years after the HSCA completed its work.
Speaker 1: The majority of the King stuff is still as yet withheld.
Speaker 1: Just saying, just saying, I'm not even going to dig
Speaker 1: at it. I mean, we had the civil settlement that
Speaker 1: occurred that some people know about which you know, had
Speaker 1: no teeth, did nothing, but it is on record anyway,
Speaker 1: to conclude on all this, and I'll tell you about
Speaker 1: Badgeman real fast is I'll tell you what if you
Speaker 1: can look at the original polaroid and you can and
Speaker 1: you can honestly say that you still believe, or you
Speaker 1: can look at even a a first or second generation
Speaker 1: copy of the polaroid and you can tell me that
Speaker 1: you still believe there's a Badgeman there. Do me a
Speaker 1: favor and tell me what he's standing on, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to put him on a car or
Speaker 1: in the bed of a pickup truck, maybe the pickup
Speaker 1: bed of a pickup truck. But if you did that
Speaker 1: then he's.
Speaker 9: Not then so it doesn't make sense for him to
Speaker 9: be on his kneels, on his knees on a hood
Speaker 9: of a car. Point and rifle. No, I think that
Speaker 9: would be pretty smart. Actually, it's just sitting on his butt.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It doesn't work spatially with the way
Speaker 1: the way it's lined up. Therapy. I mean, have you been?
Speaker 1: Have you been? And it's like still blind the fence?
Speaker 10: No? Never?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: Since it trackled something that take Thompson tackled, he went
Speaker 3: to Dallas and they took their survey and equipment and
Speaker 3: figured out that for someone to be in Badsman's position,
Speaker 3: he would have to be something like nine feet tall
Speaker 3: or something for him to show up in that Based
Speaker 3: on the proportions.
Speaker 9: Of everything in the photograph and the.
Speaker 3: Measurements that they do, they figured you'd have to be
Speaker 3: like nine feet above the ground at that distance and
Speaker 3: to get a shot.
Speaker 9: That's twenty years ago lastly checked with the better technology.
Speaker 10: I wish to check it out again.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to tell you something. I will go there, okay,
Speaker 1: And because I'm apparently looks like if all things hold,
Speaker 1: it's going to be covered for me to go again
Speaker 1: and mc again. In so I'll make a trip to
Speaker 1: Delley Plaza, okay, Jimmy, just for you, and I will
Speaker 1: try to see if we can figure out a way
Speaker 1: to put somebody in the badgeman position from behind that
Speaker 1: fence where he should have been, and see what we
Speaker 1: come up with, okay, because it's real tough considering where
Speaker 1: she was standing from utilizing an instant camera, okay, which
Speaker 1: creates a lot of this problem with this silver nitrate
Speaker 1: crap or whatever they call it that ends up throughout
Speaker 1: the paragraph, throughout the photograph, which makes a whole lot
Speaker 1: of little sloppy smears and anomalies and everything. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever really taken a good look at
Speaker 1: polaroid photographs, but if you take a look at the
Speaker 1: surrounding stuff and the way light gets bent and all
Speaker 1: kinds of weird things, it's very interesting. It's a very
Speaker 1: sloppy sort of photographic process.
Speaker 2: And it did get sealed. That was the problem with
Speaker 2: the photograph. When you did polaroid photographs, you had a
Speaker 2: little canister a fixer. There was a wand in there
Speaker 2: with a sponge on one side.
Speaker 3: And after you took the photo and let it you
Speaker 3: sit for so many minutes and then you take this
Speaker 3: fixer and put on it, and that photo was never fixed.
Speaker 3: That's why when it got handled you see that massive
Speaker 3: thumbprint in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, but even when those photographs were fixed, they were
Speaker 1: still a fairly sloppy process because of the way that
Speaker 1: just the way it was, the chemicals and the things
Speaker 1: that came together. It created an instant picture that was
Speaker 1: the big headline. But it wasn't like sharp and accurate
Speaker 1: and really like you know, true to color. Nothing. And
Speaker 1: the other interesting part about this is I'm not certain
Speaker 1: that that was from one of the cameras that you
Speaker 1: had to do that fixing process, or if it's one
Speaker 1: of the ones after that. That was one of those
Speaker 1: questions that I tried to ask Mary Mormon regarding her camera,
Speaker 1: and frankly, you know, here we go. I mean, she
Speaker 1: was just what she was, like a seventeen year old
Speaker 1: housewife or something there on the Noll, right, So seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 1: nineteen somewhere, and there she was in that group of
Speaker 1: very young people, and she had already become a housewife
Speaker 1: Mary Mormon. Okay, I don't think she had a lot
Speaker 1: of knowledge about the way her camera worked. And she
Speaker 1: didn't even seem to be able to remember to me
Speaker 1: whether it was the kind that you actually have to
Speaker 1: do something else with the picture afterwards or not. Now
Speaker 1: I did, in all fairness, I asked that question to
Speaker 1: her in twenty seventeen to her face. But you know,
Speaker 1: what can I do? Look, maybe I could possibly get
Speaker 1: old of her phone number, and maybe we could have
Speaker 1: her come on on for one last interview. I mean
Speaker 1: I had her on the show once or twice after that,
Speaker 1: to you know, talk about the circumstances and how she
Speaker 1: took the picture. I don't know if you ever heard
Speaker 1: those shows, be Pete, Yeah, okay, I didn't know if
Speaker 1: you had. But I was at the conference with her
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. Matter of fact, I think we did
Speaker 1: a show before the conference and then after the conference.
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, her granddaughter wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure that I came over and gave her a
Speaker 1: hug in twenty seventeen, because I was so nice and
Speaker 1: kind and helpful to her in the interview, like I
Speaker 1: was especially nice to Mary Ann Mormon Kramer. Anyway, So Jimmy, yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go, right, Badgeman, I'm sorry, I can't put
Speaker 1: him in that position. I mean, Gordon Arnold though, comes up.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing where people think that military guy.
Speaker 1: Allegedly there's a military guy next to Badgman, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then some people even talk about the possibility of
Speaker 1: ready a hard hat guy, a construction guy wearing what
Speaker 1: looks like a hard hat.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it kind of makes sense. So if there was
Speaker 9: a crew there, why wouldn't they be dressed like that.
Speaker 9: That's exactly what I would do. I would dress in
Speaker 9: Thosy in nineteen sixty. I'd be wearing a utility uniform
Speaker 9: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Pretty smart, Listen, It's all smart, brilliant, wonderful, except one problem.
Speaker 1: If you realize Badgeman does not exist in any other photograph.
Speaker 1: The hard hat guy.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 10: No, No, I'm not saying I'm one hundred.
Speaker 9: I'm not convinced one way or the other other than
Speaker 9: the soldier guy.
Speaker 10: I do believe that he was there.
Speaker 1: He may have been there, but his story about having
Speaker 1: a camera and getting knocked down and all this other stuff,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time fitting it in with the
Speaker 1: timeline of people rushing up in that direction and nobody
Speaker 1: noticing the police guy kicking you know, the soldier right
Speaker 1: there in front of the fence. Jimmy, you know, nobody
Speaker 1: saw that.
Speaker 9: But all the version I've seen is he said he
Speaker 9: said a few things.
Speaker 10: I didn't say that.
Speaker 9: The guy said, I don't know. He was out of
Speaker 9: boot camp, he says, and feeling his oats, and he says,
Speaker 9: I'm coming up here to film who you to stop being?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 10: You and what army?
Speaker 9: And the guy bashed a secret service badge and he
Speaker 9: said that's good enough for me.
Speaker 1: That's enough muscle for me. Right. He gave that whole story,
Speaker 1: but that was then moving him away from another area
Speaker 1: when they were telling him to get lost, and he
Speaker 1: was sort of like, hey, you know, you and what
Speaker 1: army kind of thing, and the guy flashed the you know,
Speaker 1: the credentials and he said, well, that's enough muscle for me.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said. I remember that vividly, and
Speaker 1: yeah he went and did that. But this I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the incident where Badgeman would be just having fired, right,
Speaker 1: And then he says that Badgeman jumps over the fence
Speaker 1: pretty much right, and you know, kicks him while he's
Speaker 1: on the ground and everything else and takes his film, remember,
Speaker 1: takes the film out of his.
Speaker 9: Came I didn't hear this.
Speaker 10: I did not hear this bit.
Speaker 9: I'm the man who kills Kennedy. He says, the guy
Speaker 9: came back and start kicking.
Speaker 10: Him in the gut and took a film.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, now even I got Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well there's your problem with Gordon Arnold. Go go back
Speaker 1: and take a look at that clip. If it's the
Speaker 1: whole thing there, that's the rest of what he has
Speaker 1: to say where he's like, so I don't have my film.
Speaker 1: I couldn't give him. He even makes a point of
Speaker 1: I couldn't give him the camera because it was my
Speaker 1: mom's camera, and you know, so he couldn't give him
Speaker 1: his mom's camera, but he took the film.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 10: So wow.
Speaker 9: So yeah, but was that his original story?
Speaker 10: Or did it evolve later?
Speaker 1: His original story was pretty much that, but he didn't
Speaker 1: want to talk to anybody publicly. Then after the men
Speaker 1: who killed Kennedy, I'll tell you a funny thing about him.
Speaker 1: After the men who killed Kennedy and all that stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: remember there's no six to four museum yet in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, so people just went to Daily Plaza and
Speaker 1: just you know, wandered around Dally Plaza to check out
Speaker 1: the historical site, right, and there were these again the
Speaker 1: homeless guys were there, you know, and they somehow somebody
Speaker 1: organized and created the thing where they would hand out
Speaker 1: the newspapers and they would come up to you and
Speaker 1: bug you, Ppete. You know what I'm talking about with
Speaker 1: the homeless guys in the newspapers. See now today they're
Speaker 1: not all homeless, but they come and they hustle you. Right,
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, you know anything about the spot you're
Speaker 1: standing on, right, pp.
Speaker 2: Guys come up to us when we were there, yeah
Speaker 2: two years ago.
Speaker 1: Right now, this is a cleaner version of what used
Speaker 1: to happen in nineteen eighty eight. But anyway, in eighty eight,
Speaker 1: when people would just wander around and the homeless guys
Speaker 1: had these newspapers and they were selling them to you
Speaker 1: for ten bucks or whatever, and it was like a
Speaker 1: special you know souvenir. You almost felt like you were
Speaker 1: getting some secret souvenir because nobody was advertising for it
Speaker 1: or anything, right, and it had a special you know,
Speaker 1: bulletin newspaper all about Dealey Plaza and the conspiracy and
Speaker 1: all these things. Anyway, the funny thing is during that
Speaker 1: time period when I did indeed go to Dallas as well,
Speaker 1: but had not been there to go to Dealey Plaza,
Speaker 1: and I was there to talk to people and interview
Speaker 1: people at their houses, which were not right there in
Speaker 1: that part of Dallas, so I never made it to
Speaker 1: the plaza. But the thing is, I'm doing these interviews
Speaker 1: and you know, making tapes and stuff. But here's the
Speaker 1: thing that was happening in Dealey Plaza at the time.
Speaker 1: Gordon Arnold was walking around with a T shirt that
Speaker 1: literally just had like it looked like one of those
Speaker 1: things you used to be able to get in the mall,
Speaker 1: like tell me what what words you want to put
Speaker 1: on your T shirt? And a lot of people would
Speaker 1: go and get you know, World's Greatest Dad and a
Speaker 1: picture of them and their kid. You know, a hot
Speaker 1: iron onto a white T shirt, right, well, Gordon Arnold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Gordon Arnold had one of those kind of T
Speaker 1: shirts made that said, Hi, I'm Gordon Arnold, jfk Assassination witness.
Speaker 1: That was literally inconvenient, literally that was his T shirt
Speaker 1: that he was walking around with in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty five or nineteen eighty nine. Wait a minute, Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I can confirm it in ninety two. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I can confirm it in ninety two. But I heard
Speaker 1: that he started doing that just after The Men Who
Speaker 1: Killed Kennedy was first broadcast, which I believe is nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, on the twenty fifth anniversary when they put
Speaker 1: out the first part Nigel Turner did. But either way
Speaker 1: is that.
Speaker 9: It's Nigel Turner amongst us.
Speaker 1: No, he's deceased.
Speaker 10: What about the narrators.
Speaker 1: I think for some of the Men Who Killed Kennedy,
Speaker 1: Nigel Turner is the narrator. I think I don't know
Speaker 1: about it. I know they changed narrators at a certain point,
Speaker 1: and I know that he was still alive when they
Speaker 1: were filming the last part of the series. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I know he was still alive when they
Speaker 1: were filming it is because they had gone to Walt
Speaker 1: Brown's house in Jersey to film with him for the
Speaker 1: Man who Killed Kennedy, which was supposed to be the
Speaker 1: you know, the Johnson did It segment? Right, So that
Speaker 1: was like part nine of the Men Who Killed Kennedy?
Speaker 1: I think, right?
Speaker 9: Ah? Or was it the French cheat guy? They tried
Speaker 9: to push it one or the other was before the other.
Speaker 1: The French the French chat now the Frenchie guy was
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the series. I know that for
Speaker 1: a fact because that's how I actually got deeper into
Speaker 1: it when I saw that happen, because for a little
Speaker 1: while I had a bad idea that the French connection
Speaker 1: was true. Anyways, I learned, believe me, I learned that,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of bs can be slung one
Speaker 1: way or another. But back that time period there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they went to Walt Brown's house and Nigel Turner was
Speaker 1: there in Jersey, so I know that when they were
Speaker 1: filming the last part of it, he was still alive.
Speaker 1: But I think they had to change narrators because during
Speaker 1: the post production, I think he died or something like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing that that was actually around the fortieth
Speaker 1: anniversary when they were finishing up, you know, the actual
Speaker 1: editing process for all that. But I don't know. I'd
Speaker 1: have to double check. Like when The Men Who Killed Kennedy,
Speaker 1: when was the last one of it actually put out?
Speaker 1: Maybe I should check that.
Speaker 9: Two thousand and four, I remember, because Lady Bird was
Speaker 9: still alive and sued the hell out of the day
Speaker 9: and he, oh, it would be Johnson because yeah, I remember,
Speaker 9: she got real mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, she got mad, sued the
Speaker 1: hell out of him and they pulled it, you.
Speaker 9: Know, yes, and that's when they switched to Space Aliens
Speaker 9: twenty four to seven pretty much.
Speaker 1: You turn it on today, Yeah, if you turn it
Speaker 1: on today, it says Actually, the IMDb on this says
Speaker 1: that it's a TV mini series from nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 1: to two thousand and three, So I was correct about it.
Speaker 1: It was two thousand and three for the fortieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: That was the last release. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: when you if you were to buy it on the
Speaker 1: History Channel store not too long ago, they eliminated the
Speaker 1: last three episodes, which was kind of good because guess what,
Speaker 1: you know, the last three episodes contained not only Johnson
Speaker 1: did It, but Judy Baker in the love story for
Speaker 1: a whole damn episode of the Men Who Killed Kennedy.
Speaker 9: Distinctly. Remember, now, let's go speak to a distinguished professor
Speaker 9: here we go to the cold Minnesota. I said, oh, no, no,
Speaker 9: it can't be James Feesster.
Speaker 1: James James Spetzer, Douglas Weldon. You know, the guy who
Speaker 1: was insistent upon the bullet hole going the other way, right,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and something else. Oh wait a minute. Vince
Speaker 1: palm Ara also with his inaccurate was that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just that he had. But the secret Service expert
Speaker 1: who's naming the wrong Secret Service guy sitting there saying
Speaker 1: that it was oh, I forget who it was. It
Speaker 1: was being flagged away, and it's like, first of all,
Speaker 1: that's not the right guy. And secondly, you're making an
Speaker 1: assumption here that you really shouldn't be making. I mean,
Speaker 1: Vince has done some great work and at a lot
Speaker 1: of great parts of it. But again, these guys, they
Speaker 1: get into these blind spots and they start to believe
Speaker 1: their own hype. He had the wrong Secret Service agent
Speaker 1: identified in a pretty clear damn piece of film. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like you and me mixing up which one
Speaker 1: of them with the bowl cuts, you know, those perfect
Speaker 1: not bow cut buzz cuts. You know which buzz cut
Speaker 1: guy in a suit looks like which one? They're almost
Speaker 1: I mean they were all white. So a bunch of
Speaker 1: white guys on black and white film, buzz cuts, dark
Speaker 1: hair and suits on. Yeah, you might mix them up.
Speaker 1: But Vince should not have been doing that, you know.
Speaker 1: So he he made a well ripka, he kept saying.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he put out the book.
Speaker 9: I mean he should have new. I did like his
Speaker 9: response to the to Brian Lamb from uh C span fame.
Speaker 9: After those two agents, those old agents got on there
Speaker 9: lying their asses off ten years ago, m.
Speaker 1: The uh I don't know which lot Jackie, Jackie's secret
Speaker 1: service guy, Clint Hill.
Speaker 9: And then there's another guy. He was just in Houston.
Speaker 9: He wasn't even there, but he was. He's the guy
Speaker 9: that was most offended.
Speaker 1: The guy who was not even in Dallas. He was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on the last or two parts of the
Speaker 1: trip ago or something. Jerry, Yeah, see Jerry. What was
Speaker 1: his name? Anyway, I'll find out his name. But he's
Speaker 1: the guy who ends up writing the Kennedy Detail book
Speaker 1: because not not because he was really there during any
Speaker 1: of the actual action, but because he had been part
Speaker 1: of the team that was, you know, on the trip,
Speaker 1: but not present with the president, and he happened to
Speaker 1: have taken home most of his records. That's why, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's why he got to write that book. Sorry, no,
Speaker 1: I'll screen.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and and Hanley somehow hooked up with Clint Hill, and.
Speaker 1: Well Clint Hill.
Speaker 8: Clint Hill, Yeah, Clint.
Speaker 1: Hill was was legitimate. It was Gerald Blaine, that was
Speaker 1: his name. Gerald Blaine was legitimately part of the Secret Service. Yes,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't anywhere near anything except the paperwork, you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like. And so he grabbed Clint Hill and
Speaker 1: a bunch of those other guys. See that is part
Speaker 1: of my point for this recent secret Service agent guy.
Speaker 1: The guy was yelling at me about in Dallas, is
Speaker 1: you know that guy who made the claim that he's
Speaker 1: actually the one who put the magic bullet on the
Speaker 1: stretcher or whatever? This guy was a driver, right, Paul whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know, I thought I answered the question pretty
Speaker 1: well when the guy was, you know, asking me, well,
Speaker 1: why is it nobody is bringing that up. I said, well,
Speaker 1: maybe because credibility fell away from that story completely. So
Speaker 1: there's no point in talking about something that is not credible.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, maybe he's just.
Speaker 9: He's just not the first guy to found that bullet.
Speaker 9: I got five stories of how that bullet came about.
Speaker 10: You tell me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
Speaker 9: Sometimes a guy found it outside, Sometimes the nurse found
Speaker 9: it on a stretcher. Sometimes it's two or three different
Speaker 9: Secret Service guys dropped, and sometimes it's a Dallas detective
Speaker 9: did it?
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, right?
Speaker 1: And you know what the best answer, and it was
Speaker 1: Paul Paul Landis, right. Was that guy's name Wasn't Landis?
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the new guy that says he did it well.
Speaker 9: Now they even sometimes say Jack.
Speaker 10: Did it well.
Speaker 1: Look, Paul Landis is not new. He was on that
Speaker 1: Kennedy detail one of those reunion shows or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: we're going to reunite the Secret Service detail from that day.
Speaker 1: He was on there. So this guy, but he was.
Speaker 9: The stories knew.
Speaker 1: Exactly, the stories knew. The book is new, And that
Speaker 1: was my point is he said, well, why in the
Speaker 1: world would somebody at eighty five years of age turn
Speaker 1: around and decide to lie about this now, and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. The guy's like arguing with me, and I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I got one real simple motive for you.
Speaker 1: Why that book sold really well. It was out there
Speaker 1: in pre orders. It was the best seller before they
Speaker 1: even mailed the first book, you know.
Speaker 9: So, I mean, and I'll bet money he might not
Speaker 9: even had to have wrote it. They probably just said, oh, look,
Speaker 9: I want to publish a book.
Speaker 1: M exactly where you get a ghost author, You pay
Speaker 1: him a good salary, right, and you turn around and
Speaker 1: you say, look, all we really need is for your
Speaker 1: name and for you to go around on the tour
Speaker 1: and act like you wrote it. You know, that's what
Speaker 1: a real ghostwriter does. People get confused, they say, oh,
Speaker 1: you see this co author here, that's a ghostwriter. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: A real ghost writer is a ghost You don't hear
Speaker 1: a seed from him. He just does his thing, and
Speaker 1: somebody else goes out there and acts like they wrote it,
Speaker 1: or they make up a name, and it's a pictationous
Speaker 1: author doesn't matter. A ghostwriter is somebody you don't hear
Speaker 1: a seed from. And and it's very likely that the
Speaker 1: eighty something year old guy who's you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of his life and all those points that this
Speaker 1: guy was trying to make me in Dallas had decided, well,
Speaker 1: I don't have the energy to write a book, and
Speaker 1: they said, don't worry about it. We got a guy.
Speaker 1: I'll do it for you. You know, sit down, have
Speaker 1: a couple of dinners with him. We'll buy you guys dinner,
Speaker 1: and you can talk and you know, a couple of conversations.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of research, have a future, you know,
Speaker 1: give him a couple of give him a couple of right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: give him a couple of good stories, and we'll wrap
Speaker 1: it up into a book. And you know what, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get paid. So there you go. There's your But
Speaker 1: you couldn't get good retirement benefits from the Secret Service.
Speaker 1: We got a retirement benefit.
Speaker 12: For you, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. So that's what I think happened there.
Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. And look, if you're like in your
Speaker 1: eighties and you're sitting there going I don't have much
Speaker 1: of a retirement here. I got nothing to leave to
Speaker 1: the grandkids and whatever, and somebody comes along and basically says, well, look,
Speaker 1: we can put a million in your bank and all
Speaker 1: you got to do is bs a little bit, take
Speaker 1: advantage of a situation that you were somewhere near. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's right, but I am saying it makes
Speaker 1: sense that somebody would just go, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: screw it. I put up with for years people questioning me,
Speaker 1: acting like I'm this and that and whatever and asking
Speaker 1: me about you stuff bunch of stuff. And all I
Speaker 1: was was the driver, will screw you. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'll cash in on this now. Thanks. Because he went
Speaker 1: around on that book tour with plane and you know
Speaker 1: he didn't get paid a lot. You know what I'm saying. Him,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that you know him, and what's his
Speaker 1: name there, you know, had to go around. I mean
Speaker 1: he was spent a lot of years as an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: The guy who was Jackie's agent, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The guy who actually did his job, Clint Hill. You know,
Speaker 1: Clint Hill spent a lot of years drinking himself to death.
Speaker 1: He probably needed the money, and Landis went around because
Speaker 1: he needed the money. He looked at Gerald Blaine getting
Speaker 1: paid and said, this guy was a paper pusher. I
Speaker 1: at least drove a car. You know, hey, how about this?
Speaker 9: And he gave us a story?
Speaker 1: And how about this? Here's entertaining? You know how you
Speaker 1: guys keep asking where did the bullet come from? And
Speaker 1: why would a guy you know, pushing away a stretcher
Speaker 1: from the restroom find a bullet and all this, Well,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the answer. Boom. Anyway, Jimmy, why don't
Speaker 1: you hang on? We've done a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of JFA talk here and I think I put Bpete
Speaker 1: to sleep, but you know, I'll check in with him
Speaker 1: in a second, and I'll put you on hold cause
Speaker 1: I know I got another caller here. Bet Pete. Anything
Speaker 1: you want to add throw in or you want to
Speaker 1: just wake up him in what's up?
Speaker 2: Well? Now, I was why y'all were talking of. Fetter's
Speaker 2: name was brought up. I went to check the update
Speaker 2: on his situation.
Speaker 3: He's partially he's partially satisfied the four hundred and some
Speaker 3: odd thousand that he owed Posner, but he's appealed.
Speaker 2: The decision that basically said pay up.
Speaker 3: He's claimed bankruptcy for one hundred thousand dollars of it.
Speaker 3: It still owes to six hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: and in fact, he just filed paperwork on the appeal
Speaker 3: this month, so just a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: So it's still ongoing.
Speaker 1: Okay, so basically half of it's kind of taken care of,
Speaker 1: but on the other half, he's appealing.
Speaker 2: About two.
Speaker 3: About half of the initial judgment of the four hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty has been satisfied. And that was him having
Speaker 3: to give up his website rights to the book blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, blah blah blah, a couple of things, accounts
Speaker 3: that had a little bit of money in ato a
Speaker 3: couple of thousand years better. But Pausers not back and
Speaker 3: off He's going to hold him accountable for the Diami
Speaker 3: squeeze out of him.
Speaker 1: Right well, and you know what again, I'm still amazed
Speaker 1: that you know, did he have that much money? You know,
Speaker 1: where where did the money come from? You know, the
Speaker 1: guy was able to travel, He was able to do
Speaker 1: a lot of things. And I don't think that what
Speaker 1: was the name of the college he was a professor.
Speaker 2: At exactly University of Minnesota, Duluth.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the University of Minnesota, Duluth. I mean, do
Speaker 1: they pay professors of philosophy all that.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, well he's emeritus, he's retired, so he's
Speaker 3: drawing his retirement from the from the system. I don't
Speaker 3: know how much that's bringing in, and I think they
Speaker 3: determined that part of that is not touchable. Okay, but
Speaker 3: I think Possible was going to make him put his
Speaker 3: house on the market as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: A few years ago. He wasn't retired, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he didn't retire like you know, twenty years ago, did
Speaker 1: he No.
Speaker 2: He retired about ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know when he started his Conspiracy Land
Speaker 1: conspiracy Culture run. He's still a professor there. So all
Speaker 1: I'm saying is is, over these past three decades, the
Speaker 1: guy has traveled a lot, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: He's held conferences, He's clearly put money into certain things,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's been able.
Speaker 3: To think his I think his I think his wife
Speaker 3: was working as well, durned part of that, so he
Speaker 3: was able to.
Speaker 2: Play with his money.
Speaker 3: He's always said the money he made off the confidences,
Speaker 3: he put right back into the next one. So you know,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what he's done book sales wise,
Speaker 3: what he's been pulling off of that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's believable. I mean, realistically, I know, these conferences
Speaker 1: don't make a lot of money.
Speaker 3: Okay, h let's see he retired in two thousand and six,
Speaker 3: is when he became professor emeritis.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean when I when I look at a
Speaker 1: successful conference, though, to be honest with you, it looks
Speaker 1: to me like at a good time, you maybe get
Speaker 1: twenty five percent above what it is you put into
Speaker 1: the thing on a good on a good year. It's
Speaker 1: not a big money maker, you know, the conference in
Speaker 1: and of itself. Now, I don't know how, you know,
Speaker 1: if the publishing businesses obviously changed, book sales are different
Speaker 1: for people self published, et cetera, et cetera. I know,
Speaker 1: there's not a huge chunk of change really in publishing anymore.
Speaker 1: Unless you have, you know, a book that's on fire
Speaker 1: and millions and millions of copies or sold. It's not
Speaker 1: a great business either. So what I'm saying is is
Speaker 1: how does he end up with the money though to
Speaker 1: make these trips hips and journeys to places without you know,
Speaker 1: sinking a lot of money into travel and the expenses
Speaker 1: of doing an investigation, uh, you know everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money that went into this stuff
Speaker 1: where he's running around. We're going to go to Connecticut,
Speaker 1: We're going to go to this place. We're going to
Speaker 1: go and bother this person who moved away, you know.
Speaker 1: And I've always wondered where the money came from, or
Speaker 1: even the money to go to conferences and things where
Speaker 1: he's not running them. He's not being paid to show up,
Speaker 1: but he has the money to show up and cause
Speaker 1: a disturbance. That happened a bunch of times, not only
Speaker 1: with the nine eleven good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's been he's been backed by various small organizations.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was on the payroll for Russia today
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 2: I think he was getting a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of money through Veterans today and that scam that they
Speaker 3: had going on wrong. You know, he's he's had his
Speaker 3: fingers leveral dodgy things from start to finish. And like
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know how many books he's sold,
Speaker 3: but he's got, you know a bunch of them out there.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he'd be making enough off of
Speaker 2: that to you know, to to fund.
Speaker 3: His his gallivant around running his.
Speaker 2: Seminars and stuff.
Speaker 3: But that's my new hat various forms of income, was
Speaker 3: even since his retirement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's my point is it doesn't really match up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like, Okay, you have
Speaker 1: a steady job, but you know, be beat on the
Speaker 1: drop of a hat. You know, if I told you
Speaker 1: I got to bring my family to go and be nearby,
Speaker 1: you go rent us a couple of hotel rooms, rent
Speaker 1: us a car and stuff like that. I mean, unless
Speaker 1: you're going to dig into a credit card and you
Speaker 1: must have a decent amount of credit to run up
Speaker 1: to get that done. You couldn't do that like on
Speaker 1: the drop of a dime. And you definitely couldn't fund us.
Speaker 3: He's always had his websites too, and I don't know
Speaker 3: how much he's pulling in off of that. You know,
Speaker 3: he had his radio programs there for a while. In fact,
Speaker 3: I think he still does one day a week. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's not mistake.
Speaker 1: He's got some kind of you know, radio thing like
Speaker 1: I have pretty much, which doesn't cost you know, a
Speaker 1: huge amount of money to keep running. But it does
Speaker 1: cost some money. Uh, And I'm certain somebody sponsors that. Sure,
Speaker 1: but the radio shows in the podcasts are not big
Speaker 1: money makers. Unless you're one of these corporate backed things
Speaker 1: that already has you know, an investor, a good steak
Speaker 1: type person, you know what I mean, heavy sponsors.
Speaker 3: Being paid by Press TV too, which was you know,
Speaker 3: the Iranians had their little cigare in the pie.
Speaker 2: So he's been sucking paychecks from several people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying that. Just it doesn't quite compute
Speaker 1: to me that he had the resources to do a
Speaker 1: lot of the things I've seen him do in some
Speaker 1: of the self publishing, even where he's printed many many
Speaker 1: books and put out DVDs and you know, he used
Speaker 1: to have like a nine hour series on DVD about
Speaker 1: the jfk assassination. You ever see that thing? Yeah you have? Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: But this wasn't the one that was out there for free.
Speaker 1: This was like a special set that you know, had
Speaker 1: all these films in it and had all these resources
Speaker 1: on it, and it had a dog.
Speaker 2: I've seen that.
Speaker 3: I've seen what's been put out there, you know for
Speaker 3: the public.
Speaker 1: No. See, that's the thing is, you know he had
Speaker 1: something like this out there for I think it was
Speaker 1: like fifty bucks where you got you know, a seminar,
Speaker 1: I mean three hours or so was spent on the
Speaker 1: Zubruder film. And he actually had David Lifton come in
Speaker 1: and do a whole thing about the Zubruder film being faked.
Speaker 1: And you know, now everybody's saying to themselves, wait, I
Speaker 1: remember David Lifton going around and lecturing about that. He
Speaker 1: didn't unless he was paid David Lifton. David Lifton got
Speaker 1: paid to go to the University of Minnesota and have
Speaker 1: this thing filmed to have it distributed later. And it
Speaker 1: was pretty extensive. And why is it that David Lifton
Speaker 1: is not one of the people that you see a
Speaker 1: lot of regarding the Zapruder film being faked and all that.
Speaker 1: Guess why? Because nobody bought it from David Lifton. It
Speaker 1: wasn't as credible as he tried to make it look
Speaker 1: and sound. It didn't work out. Let's go over to
Speaker 1: our next caller, though, because they might not want to
Speaker 1: talk JFK. They might have something completely different on their mind,
Speaker 1: unless you want to tack something else on Bpete. Sure,
Speaker 1: all right, and I'll try and shut up and sit back,
Speaker 1: because I think is this Danny.
Speaker 13: No, this is Harlan, Well, it kind of is Danny,
Speaker 13: but we're going to Harlan.
Speaker 1: Right now, right. Sorry, Sorry Harlan. I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: misidentify you there, but it just said wireless caller again,
Speaker 1: no matter how I've tried to label you. So anyway,
Speaker 1: how you doing this week? What's on your mind?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm just trying to get through this sickness that
Speaker 13: I've had here for the last couple of weeks. I
Speaker 13: was on Hope for a while. I guess I was
Speaker 13: on Hope about thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry about it.
Speaker 13: I start like tyling to give everybody a little bit
Speaker 13: of an update on Chris Graves.
Speaker 1: All right, well I haven't been able to get through
Speaker 1: to them, but go ahead.
Speaker 13: I've got a direct line for him now. That other
Speaker 13: one hardly nobody could get through to him, the one
Speaker 13: that I had sent you, I guess like over a
Speaker 13: week ago, and I got another one I said to
Speaker 13: you on Twitter and I don't know if that was your.
Speaker 10: Why for your son said Chuck's in the hospital.
Speaker 1: Have you been in the hospital, as were Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I did make yeah, I was in for a bit,
Speaker 1: so that might have happened during that. I'll have to
Speaker 1: go back over the messages. Sorry about that. I'll go look,
Speaker 1: you know, later, not right now.
Speaker 13: Well, if you if you look, I sent you a
Speaker 13: screen shot of his.
Speaker 1: Num Okay, well i'll pick that up and you know,
Speaker 1: see what's what. But I wasn't aware of that.
Speaker 13: Sorry, you'll give him, give him a shaft or you know,
Speaker 13: if you can't, I'm sure to go ahad there for me.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't know how glad he'd be here.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how glad he'd be, or
Speaker 1: what condition he's in or whatever else. But him and
Speaker 1: I didn't exactly part on good terms, So I don't
Speaker 1: know how that'll be. But I'll take a look at
Speaker 1: that later when we're done with the shows tonight, after
Speaker 1: midnight sometime. Obviously I'm not gonna try and call him
Speaker 1: after midnight, but uh, you know i'll look into doing
Speaker 1: that far yeah, tomorrow or something. Okay, So anyway, anything
Speaker 1: else on your mind, man, Well.
Speaker 13: You know, I don't know a whole lot about faster
Speaker 13: you guys been talking about.
Speaker 10: I've seen a few.
Speaker 13: Of his videos. I've been hearing a few shows he
Speaker 13: was on. But didn't he get saved or get in
Speaker 13: trouble something to do with the unspeakable event and Connecticut
Speaker 13: in two thy and twelve. Is that what I goes
Speaker 13: back to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where we were talking about regarding the settlement there.
Speaker 1: B Pete was giving us an update on that. You
Speaker 1: were saying, be Pete that I'm a little confused on it,
Speaker 1: but you want to go back over that for Harlan
Speaker 1: explain to him what's going on with that settlement?
Speaker 13: Yeah, originally they found him supposedly they wrote.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the whole thing. What did he supposedly do wrong?
Speaker 2: It was a defamation.
Speaker 3: It was the father of one of the kids that
Speaker 3: was killed, presented online, presented in one of these discussion groups,
Speaker 3: a copy of the death certificate for his son. Setzer
Speaker 3: was claiming that nobody died this kid was actually his brother.
Speaker 2: They had invented this entity. There was no there was
Speaker 2: no youngest son of Winter poster that that ended up
Speaker 2: getting kids.
Speaker 1: Hmm okay, Bope, is everybody still here? Uh? Did I
Speaker 1: lose audio? Be Pete? Are you there? Uh h hopefully
Speaker 1: I'm still broadcasting here, guys. Let me go take a
Speaker 1: look at my broadcast setup. What's going on? Huh? B Pete?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Sir? You appear to be there visually. Okay,
Speaker 1: I am not certain what's going on here on the broadcast, folks.
Speaker 1: Apparently I don't know. I don't have sound from B
Speaker 1: Pete all of a sudden, and my phone line appears
Speaker 1: to be hooked up but is not currently making any sound.
Speaker 1: So I'm not getting any word from my co host,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not getting any word from anybody.
Speaker 1: All right, let's try and redo this here right live
Speaker 1: on the air, I guess, and try and reconnect because
Speaker 1: I somehow lost Harlan, I've lost Bpete. And let's see
Speaker 1: what we can do here Friday Night Live calling show.
Speaker 1: I guess things happen. I'm trying to reconnect here on
Speaker 1: the Skype to get back into it, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on, guys, not at all. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if I've lost internet here. If I have, then
Speaker 1: this is being recorded and you guys are not hearing it.
Speaker 1: Let's see. But yeah, so I'm being recorded and trying
Speaker 1: to dial back into my own phones, and I guess
Speaker 1: I'm just being recorded in my internet's down. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: with that, perhaps I have lost the recording entirely. No
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