Speaker 1: Bill cunning Hammigrant America. Welcomers were wonderful Monday afternoon. The
Speaker 1: Tri State Reds baseball off today, a little bit of
Speaker 1: our restite until tomorrow Tuesday, Wednesday business special on Thursday.
Speaker 1: The Seattle teams in town and the Reds are hotter
Speaker 1: than a firecracker right now, won five of the last six.
Speaker 1: They're impregnable, they're unbeatable, and now they have the whole
Speaker 1: team coming back on Tuesday tomorrows. The life should be
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But set things up for the
Speaker 1: American people. There's a sense, based upon conversations and based
Speaker 1: upon leeks out of Columbus, that the deal is done.
Speaker 1: Relative to the Browns getting about six hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars the Bengals getting about maybe three hundred million.
Speaker 1: When I had on Denise tree House, the chair of
Speaker 1: the Commissioner's Hamley County last week, she said it's one third,
Speaker 1: one third, one third. The state gives one third, the
Speaker 1: Bengals slash NFL gives one third. The taxpayers in Hamley
Speaker 1: County give one third, one third, one third, one third.
Speaker 1: She's cautiously optimistic it's going to pass that one third
Speaker 1: from the state would be about three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: The whole deal about eight hundred and fifty eight hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty million. Of course, the price will go up,
Speaker 1: and when I speak to the leaders in Columbus, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that's the case. There is some apprehension as
Speaker 1: to whether hard work and schleps like Tony Benner should
Speaker 1: pay sales tax so multi billionaires can have their play
Speaker 1: pens that Tony can't afford to watch games. So as
Speaker 1: a consequence, I wanted to have more leadership on and
Speaker 1: I have calls into Governor Mike DeWine and Speak of
Speaker 1: the House Matt Huffman twice last week scheduled to come
Speaker 1: on the show with me, but said let's wait a
Speaker 1: little bit longer. I won't say he canceled. What he
Speaker 1: wanted to do was wait about a week or two.
Speaker 1: So I kind of want to get the insight on
Speaker 1: what's happening at Columbus with the Bengals from Representative Adam Byrd,
Speaker 1: who's the Assistant Majority Floor Leader, is one of the
Speaker 1: four leaders of the House of Representatives. He's at the
Speaker 1: table when discussions are had about dividing up by the
Speaker 1: monies and then also I might add the Carl Linder
Speaker 1: would like a chunk of dough also for some developments
Speaker 1: next to TQL Stadium. In fact, deer Park High School
Speaker 1: could use some state money. I talked to the athletic
Speaker 1: director at deer Park High School, and since the state's
Speaker 1: handing in all this money, how about give him a
Speaker 1: couple million dollars at deer Park High School for the
Speaker 1: new polo field. But in the meantime, Representative Adam Bird
Speaker 1: of New Richmond more or less, welcome again to the
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Representative, you're at
Speaker 1: the table. You're the assistant Majority four leader in the House.
Speaker 1: And there was reporting last week that the House had
Speaker 1: approved something in the range of six hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars or so in bonds to be paid over
Speaker 1: thirty years to give to Jimmy Haslam, the owner of
Speaker 1: the Browns, to move the Cleveland team from northern to
Speaker 1: Cauyhoker County to southern Cauyhoker County as part of a
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar development. So can you generally speak to
Speaker 1: the issue whether the lawmakers in Columbus are willing to
Speaker 1: give the Browns to Bengals, TQL Stadium, Carl Linder, and
Speaker 1: Deer Park High School. Lots of money. What do you
Speaker 1: say about that?
Speaker 2: Hey, No, it's great to be with you today. A
Speaker 2: lot in there. You know, personally, I'm in favor of
Speaker 2: money for dear Park High School and whatever they need
Speaker 2: there to keep the Wildcats in option. But you know,
Speaker 2: as far as the deal that the Ohio House approved
Speaker 2: last week that was six hundred million dollars in bonds.
Speaker 3: But but but.
Speaker 2: Remember this bill that that this is a deal where
Speaker 2: the state is going to make money or be held
Speaker 2: even And and this this deal for for moving the
Speaker 2: Browns to Brook Park, that the state's part of that
Speaker 2: is only one six of a project that is three
Speaker 2: point six billion in scope. And so the has On family,
Speaker 2: the locals, they're putting off a lot of money here.
Speaker 2: And so this is a completely different story. In my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm just one person, but this is this is completely
Speaker 2: different because the state is going to be held harmless
Speaker 2: in that and may even make money. And also don't
Speaker 2: forget that for the state's section of this part of this,
Speaker 2: the has Long family sw up fifty million dollars as
Speaker 2: collateral that will grow in an escrow over the next
Speaker 2: thirty years, whose value. Its value could be around two
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars in the next thirty years. So the
Speaker 2: State of Ohio is holding on to a lot of
Speaker 2: collateral here. We're only putting up one sixth of the project,
Speaker 2: and there's no general revenue fund being put into this bill,
Speaker 2: no general revenue fund being put into this project. And
Speaker 2: I say that at the same time that we've given
Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars to the State Fair. We've
Speaker 2: already given money to TQL Stadium, We've already given money
Speaker 2: to the Columbus Crew. We've already given money to the
Speaker 2: ATP ten Tennis Center in Mason, We've given money to Intel,
Speaker 2: We've given money to Andrew, and we give to projects.
Speaker 4: All over the state of Ohio bill.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of investment that the State of
Speaker 2: Ohio has made and will continue to make because we
Speaker 2: want Ohio to be a destination state. We want this
Speaker 2: to be a place that retains our citizens and people
Speaker 2: want to come here and it's a great place to
Speaker 2: grow pay.
Speaker 1: So on the Hanslom deal with the Browns, it passed
Speaker 1: I think by one vote. And when there's some more
Speaker 1: or less vacant land in southern Cayhoga County that produces
Speaker 1: little or no money presently. And so from the state's perspective,
Speaker 1: they look at this undeveloped land in southern Cuyhoga County
Speaker 1: and they can say, Okay, you're we're going to put
Speaker 1: up one sixth of the money you're going to put up.
Speaker 1: And when all this happens in the next two to
Speaker 1: three four years, the sales tax from this brand new
Speaker 1: development that doesn't exist presently would be of such a
Speaker 1: character that the state's going to actually make money. In
Speaker 1: addition to that, the states held harmless because of this
Speaker 1: fifty million in escrow that's going to grow over the
Speaker 1: next thirty years, maybe the two or three hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: in which case the state's going to lose no money.
Speaker 1: Is that different than the Bengals deal?
Speaker 2: Way different?
Speaker 4: Bill?
Speaker 2: And remember when you put a dome stadium, and you
Speaker 2: know the Indianapolis Colts and this dome stadium over there
Speaker 2: that they have been and gobbling up all of the
Speaker 2: big things that come to Midwestern United States. And it's
Speaker 2: time for Ohio to get in this game. And so
Speaker 2: when this happens, if it happens, and we bring the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl to Ohio, we bring the NFL Draft to Ohio,
Speaker 2: when you have Monster truck pulls and Taylor Swift concerts
Speaker 2: and and so we're not talking about an investment for
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. We're talking about an investment that that's
Speaker 2: not just ten games a year. We're talking about fifty
Speaker 2: to sixty major events throughout the year. And so this
Speaker 2: is going to present such tax benefit to the state
Speaker 2: of Ohio that that we'll make money on this deal.
Speaker 2: And again, Bill, your reader, your listeners need to know
Speaker 2: that this is not costing the general revenue one dime, Okay,
Speaker 2: not one dime, And this is all bond money that
Speaker 2: we are going to make back and perhaps double what
Speaker 2: the cost is over the next you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of decades with the kinds of events that we're going
Speaker 2: to attract.
Speaker 4: You, Ohio.
Speaker 1: So right now, there's no deal for the Bengals as
Speaker 1: we sit here this Monday afternoon, there's no long document
Speaker 1: that says, okay, the Bengals are great to day, the
Speaker 1: county agrees, everything's negotiated, it's done. All we need is
Speaker 1: one third from the state. Am I correct in making.
Speaker 2: That statement, You are absolutely correct. There is no deal done.
Speaker 3: And let me tell you something here, Bill, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just one guy, okay, but I'm not in favor of
Speaker 2: a deal for the Bengals until we get a couple
Speaker 2: of conditions in place. Number one, the least with Hamilton County,
Speaker 2: and my mind and my way of thinking needs to
Speaker 2: be renegotiated because this is among the NFL's worst for
Speaker 2: taxpayers in all of America. The Bengals retain all the
Speaker 2: stadium revenue, all the concessions, all the parking, all the merchandise,
Speaker 2: They the least that they have mandates, capital improvements, all
Speaker 2: of the game day expenses are paid by Hamilton County.
Speaker 2: And guess what, Bill, they named the pay Course Stadium
Speaker 2: and they're making money off of that when they don't
Speaker 2: even own the stadium, okay, And so all of the while,
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals valuation has grown from like five hundred
Speaker 2: million back in the nineties to four to five billion
Speaker 2: dollars today. And I don't think that's a fair deal
Speaker 2: at all for them to have every everything leveraged against
Speaker 2: Hamilton County. So why would the state participate in a
Speaker 2: deal that is so unfavorable the taxpayers, and many consider
Speaker 2: the worst in the NFL. That's number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: if we can get this renegotiated so it's not so
Speaker 2: poor for the taxpayers. Number two, Cincinnati Bengals present a
Speaker 2: deal to the state where the state can make money
Speaker 2: or at least be held even, and you make those
Speaker 2: two Again, I'm just one person, though, but those two
Speaker 2: conditions I think are reasonable for the state of Ohire.
Speaker 1: And in the Browns case, this is a thirty year bond.
Speaker 1: This as I understand the deal, the money from the
Speaker 1: state needs to come up real soon because they want
Speaker 1: to redo pay Course stadium and they need the money
Speaker 1: now to make it look better. Unlike the Browns deal,
Speaker 1: this deal is we need two hundred and fifty three
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars now. And the Governor, Mike DeWine. I
Speaker 1: have a call in him to come on either Tuesday
Speaker 1: or Wednesday, But Governor Mike Dwine has said that this
Speaker 1: is a low priority. Have you in your meetings with
Speaker 1: Matt Huffman, the Speaker, and with Mike DeWine, have they
Speaker 1: expressed concerns about using public money middle class sales tax
Speaker 1: money to benefit billionaires when it doesn't look as if
Speaker 1: there's going to be a return other than Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl, which would be a great I'm
Speaker 1: all in favor of the Bengals State. I think even
Speaker 1: though you live in New Richmond, I think you want
Speaker 1: the Bengals to stay. But in my correcting, state of
Speaker 1: the money to Cleveland is paid in such a way
Speaker 1: the state will actually make money. The money here must
Speaker 1: be given up front.
Speaker 2: Well, you're stating a lot it there, Bill. I understand
Speaker 2: that the Cincinnati Bengals are regional draw and they get
Speaker 2: people from Kentucky and Indiana and all parts of Southern
Speaker 2: Ohio that come to And yeah, I want nice things
Speaker 2: for our area, for Southern Ohio, and I do want
Speaker 2: it to be a destination and a place.
Speaker 4: For people to go.
Speaker 2: But as you said, they're wanting general revenue fund dollars
Speaker 2: up front, Bill, and that's just not going to happen.
Speaker 2: We did not spend any of the taxpayer's money on
Speaker 2: this Cleveland Browns deal, which by the way, hasn't been approved.
Speaker 2: It's only been through one chamber. It's still got to
Speaker 2: be approved in the Senate, and the governor still has
Speaker 2: to sign it. And this does not give any general
Speaker 2: revenue tax money to the Browns, and I don't believe
Speaker 2: that we should give any The same thing should be
Speaker 2: true for the Bengals. We should not be giving hard
Speaker 2: working taxpayer money for this project unless a couple of
Speaker 2: demands are meant. Number one, this is me can build.
Speaker 2: But this stadium lease with Hamilton County is the worst
Speaker 2: in the NFL. And why would we throw good money
Speaker 2: after a bad lease. We have to have that lease renewed,
Speaker 2: in my mind, and we need a deal where they
Speaker 2: present a plan to us where the state makes money
Speaker 2: or is held even and we're not using taxpayer dollars
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: Could you bond the three hundred million dollars the Bengals
Speaker 1: won over time? Could you much like in the Cleveland deal?
Speaker 1: And I have a sense I don't know. Maybe the
Speaker 1: deal will be struck tomorrow. Maybe the Bengals in the
Speaker 1: county will come together. Here's the deal. It's eight hundred
Speaker 1: pages long, it's all written. Everybody agrees, contingent upon the state.
Speaker 1: If all that happens in the next few weeks, June
Speaker 1: thirtieth is kind of like a cutoff date because for
Speaker 1: you in leadership of the House. The two year budget
Speaker 1: begins July first of twenty twenty five until July first,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, and so the train's going to leave
Speaker 1: the station soon plus out or near that date. The
Speaker 1: Bengals have to notify the county if they want to
Speaker 1: stand the least for two more years, in which case
Speaker 1: under the old lease, which gets worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1: And so if all this comes together in the next
Speaker 1: two or three weeks eight inner page leaves understanding passed
Speaker 1: by the Commission, are you willing to bond that money
Speaker 1: over the next thirty years like in the Browns deal.
Speaker 2: What I would say, Bill is Cincini Bengals present a
Speaker 2: plan that shows the state making money or held even,
Speaker 2: And you're right about the timing. The timing is very short.
Speaker 2: And I would say that the Haslng family in the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns have been very proactive in working this for
Speaker 2: the last year or so, and so now it seems
Speaker 2: I don't have any proof of this, but it seems
Speaker 2: like the Bengals are trying to parachute in at the
Speaker 2: last second. They have not talked a deal, they have
Speaker 2: not met any of these things that I have suggested
Speaker 2: should be in place beforehand, but the time is of
Speaker 2: essence right now, and the State Senate is considering the
Speaker 2: budget right now. Over the next month, they'll pass a
Speaker 2: budget that that changes what the House did, or they'll
Speaker 2: late and leave something the same. Then the two chambers
Speaker 2: will get together and negotiate the differences, and then the
Speaker 2: governor gets the line item veto and all of that,
Speaker 2: and then we have to all of that has to
Speaker 2: be done by the end of June built and so
Speaker 2: the time is time is running short, and and and
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. The Bengals are used to
Speaker 2: getting whatever they want with Hamilton County, so I don't
Speaker 2: I personally don't know that there that Hamilton County is
Speaker 2: going to be able to be able to negotiate any
Speaker 2: friendlier terms than than what is right now. That the
Speaker 2: NFL's worst for taxpayers.
Speaker 1: And if that's not a complete redoing of that lease
Speaker 1: leadership of the House, is am I correct in stating
Speaker 1: if the status quo is more or less maintained, that
Speaker 1: dog won't hunt in Columbus.
Speaker 2: Well, Bill, I'm just one person, Okay, I'm not talked
Speaker 2: to anybody else. I'm just one vote out of ninety nine.
Speaker 2: And then to me, though, I think we recognize I do,
Speaker 2: I recognize that this lease is not good for the taxpayers,
Speaker 2: and and so there needs to be a change there
Speaker 2: in my mind. But but again, I'm just one vote
Speaker 2: shows mingles, show us a deal where the state makes
Speaker 2: money or held even and and present that. And don't
Speaker 2: you know if you just come and say, hey, I
Speaker 2: want and fifty million dollars, I don't think there's going
Speaker 2: to be any appetite at all at all in the House.
Speaker 3: For the Senate.
Speaker 2: I suspect Senator Blessing from Hamilton County is going to
Speaker 2: be a posed to any general revenue dollars for the
Speaker 2: Bengals as well.
Speaker 1: And then the line item veto is kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit on the weeds. But if the governor can
Speaker 1: line item veto something out and the governor's not not
Speaker 1: keen on any of these deals, it would take a
Speaker 1: sixty vote in the House and send it to override
Speaker 1: the governor's veto. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: That is correct, Bill, And I would say that there's
Speaker 2: probably not a six there's not sixty votes in the
Speaker 2: House to override the governor's on this particular issue.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's see what happened. He could do that, now,
Speaker 1: the governor.
Speaker 2: He could line item veto that. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: But you know, again, I'm not opposed to nice things
Speaker 2: for southern Ohio. I would love to see the Bengals
Speaker 2: be a place that attracts people from all over Central
Speaker 2: you know, Ohio and Kentucky and Indiana. Sure, and you
Speaker 2: know we have people who come here all the time
Speaker 2: for game days. But this, here's another part of the
Speaker 2: Bengals steel bill that I find particularly offensive, the deal
Speaker 2: that they hit with Hamilton County. Hamilton County can't schedule
Speaker 2: any events there without the Bengals being able to veto
Speaker 2: anything else. Why can't Why does an organization that doesn't
Speaker 2: own the stadium? Why do they get complete veto over
Speaker 2: the scheduling of any events in a stadium that they
Speaker 2: don't own.
Speaker 1: Well, the landlord normally pays for the ban. The landlord
Speaker 1: normally calls the tune. Except in this last the opposite
Speaker 1: is true. The Bengals have complete control over a stadium
Speaker 1: they don't own. There, you go, all right, Well, at
Speaker 1: least that's a reality check from Adam Bird, Assistant Majority
Speaker 1: for a leader. And lastly, about a minute remaining. New
Speaker 1: Richmond has recovered magnificently from the flood. Tell me the
Speaker 1: status of New Richmond this Monday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Bill, the people have come together. I'm
Speaker 2: just really again proud of the resilience of my town.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's so many people at school, kids
Speaker 2: have come together, Volunteers have come together, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's a hard working place of people who who love
Speaker 2: the river. And I'm just really proud of the way
Speaker 2: that they continue to bounce back. And so you and
Speaker 2: I got to meet and get together at the Front
Speaker 2: Street Cafe and have a workshop or something.
Speaker 1: I love it there and I'm going to come up soon.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to come this week and I think
Speaker 1: it was open, but I'm sure things are going to
Speaker 1: be better on a warm June evening. But State Representative
Speaker 1: Adam Bird, you're at the table in the leadership. I
Speaker 1: think you're bringing some reality to these issues and a
Speaker 1: lot of talking needs to be done and a lot
Speaker 1: of hurdles have to be overcome in a short period
Speaker 1: of time. We'll see what happens. Hope Springs Eternal and
Speaker 1: Adam Bird, State Rep. Once again, thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Adam.
Speaker 4: Bill.
Speaker 2: It's always an honor and I can see it for
Speaker 2: some you me, Bryson d Chambeau and Rory.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I'll take Rory in that matchup, and I'll
Speaker 1: take him because that story with yesterday was unbelievable. How
Speaker 1: he was gonna win, He's gonna lose, is gonna win,
Speaker 1: gonna lose, then he's gonna win. And it was dramatic television.
Speaker 1: But to Adam Bird, thank you very much and God
Speaker 1: bless you, Thank you very much. All Right, let's continue
Speaker 1: with more if a line becomes available. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand. That, my fellow Americans, is a dose of
Speaker 1: reality on seven hundred. Wulw Keaton hit the music. Life's
Speaker 1: pretty good. A lot of difficulties, a lot of problems.
Speaker 1: The reality is setting in in some ways. We all
Speaker 1: want the Bengals to be here. Joe Burrow number one,
Speaker 1: number five, We love them both, Jamar t absolutely, Trey Henderson,
Speaker 1: get it signed. Yes, that's fantasy Land sports. It's kind
Speaker 1: of the comic pages of life watching the Masters. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: Rory Calhoun was gonna win then he's gonna lose, and
Speaker 1: then he's gonna win. Then he's supposed to lose. Then
Speaker 1: he had to win on eighteen. Then he lost, and
Speaker 1: he came back and he won. It was dramatic. That's
Speaker 1: the comic book pages of life. It's not reality for
Speaker 1: you and me. Whether whether Rory McIlory won or lost,
Speaker 1: one's going to change my life one bit. So Justin
Speaker 1: Rose certainly, how about have rounded Augusta the last round
Speaker 1: Justin Rose had eleven birdies. It can't get much better
Speaker 1: than that. Played out of his Gordon just fell. I
Speaker 1: guess stroke short, but it was. It was the funny
Speaker 1: pages of life, much like the Bengals the Reds FC
Speaker 1: are the funny pages of life, not real. But to
Speaker 1: the ownership of those ball clubs Jimmy Haslim Brown's owner,
Speaker 1: it's reality for them. They want more and more money.
Speaker 1: How many billions do you need? The argument? I heard
Speaker 1: one pundit say that you're gonna have middle class tax
Speaker 1: payers from all over the region, not just Hambleton County.
Speaker 1: I think there was a study done that about forty
Speaker 1: five percent who attend Bengals games live in Hambleton County.
Speaker 1: Fifty five percent come from all over Hell's half acre,
Speaker 1: so in the sales tax collects revenue from individuals who
Speaker 1: don't live in Hamley County, which I think living in
Speaker 1: Hamley County that's a good thing, right, But at some point,
Speaker 1: how many billions and billions do you need? And that
Speaker 1: the Brown family started off with the Bengals in the
Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties a franchise worth about eighty million dollars.
Speaker 1: It's now worth about four to five billion dollars and
Speaker 1: the last thirty years has been quite a fight between
Speaker 1: the county and the Bengals because of the lease put
Speaker 1: together by Bob betting House and others that was, shall
Speaker 1: we say, one sided, just a little bit one sided.
Speaker 1: And then Bob betting House goes to work for the Bengals,
Speaker 1: so whenever there was a lawsuit filed in the years after,
Speaker 1: he could ta sify on behalf of the county as
Speaker 1: to what was in everyone's mind when he struck the deal.
Speaker 1: That was kind of peculiar, would you agree. Nonetheless, we're
Speaker 1: sitting here now with the comments of Senator Blessing, State
Speaker 1: Senator Blessing with Sloany this morning and also Adam Byrd
Speaker 1: is pretty obvious that this dog's not going to hunt.
Speaker 1: There's a significant difference between the Hanslim deal for the Browns,
Speaker 1: which passed the House by one vote, and the deal
Speaker 1: that the county and the Bengals are fashioning. And I
Speaker 1: have respect for Denise Treehouse who said one third, one third,
Speaker 1: one third, one third from the state, one third from
Speaker 1: the Bengals slash NFL, one third from us. That means
Speaker 1: the Bengals are put up indirectly some serious money to
Speaker 1: the tune of three hundred million dollars, which, considering their
Speaker 1: net worth, is a drop in the bucket. So you
Speaker 1: heard Adam Byrd and Senator Blessing talk about general revenue
Speaker 1: money as opposed to bonding. General revenue is something rather sacred.
Speaker 1: That's direct taxpayer money to support institutions. A bonding requirement
Speaker 1: means you issue a bond payable over thirty years, maybe
Speaker 1: a five percent interest, and the interest in the bond
Speaker 1: and the principle will be paid by the activities conducted
Speaker 1: on the property being bonded. So when Jimmy Haslam in
Speaker 1: Cleveland wants to move the Browns to southern Cahua County,
Speaker 1: largely there are farm fields producing no revenue. So when
Speaker 1: you put something worth maybe three billion dollars in that
Speaker 1: area along with dozens of events every year, and that
Speaker 1: generates brand new money that the county and the state
Speaker 1: didn't have. And in addition to that, the Haslam families
Speaker 1: putting up fifty million dollars off to the side of
Speaker 1: escrow to hold the state harmless. That money's going to
Speaker 1: grow and kind of look at it from a business perspective.
Speaker 1: It's not general revenue money. It's coming from bonding authority,
Speaker 1: and the state's going to make money on the deal,
Speaker 1: or at least break even, I think, make a lot
Speaker 1: of money on the deal. So okay, that's fine. That's
Speaker 1: not what the Bengals are proposing. They're opposing simply a
Speaker 1: check written by the state soon for like three hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars. And from my not just Blessing and Bird,
Speaker 1: but Matt Huffman, who's the powerhouse in Columbus. He went
Speaker 1: to UC law school, lives in Aida Lima. He's the
Speaker 1: speaker of the House. He's more powerful than the governor
Speaker 1: in a sense, and he says I had him scheduled
Speaker 1: twice last week, but he wanted to reschedule because he
Speaker 1: knew what I'd be asking him, so he's gonna wait
Speaker 1: a little bit, which I respect. That's fine. I'm just
Speaker 1: a talk show host on your behalf. And no one
Speaker 1: in Columbus, not even Democrats, want to write a check
Speaker 1: to the Bengals for three hundred million dollars to start
Speaker 1: the renovation. Now, there may not be any more revenue
Speaker 1: generated from the deal at all. The banks is largely
Speaker 1: built out, and the stadium has been there for thirty
Speaker 1: years or twenty seven years, and small park is nice,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't generate any cash. And so you look
Speaker 1: at this thing. Holy Mike, Mike, come on in, Mike mcconne.
Speaker 1: Mike McConnell, Mike McConnell. I remember you didn't You used
Speaker 1: to work here, Mike McConnell A long time. Yeah. How
Speaker 1: you doing that? You're fine? Ten day? Turn on the microphone.
Speaker 1: You know how that works? No, I, no, are you on?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Turn up? Turn it up, Dave, turn it up. So, Mike,
Speaker 1: what are you doing well? I played golf at three
Speaker 1: this morning, eight o'clock in the morning. Did do that
Speaker 1: before eight oh three am? You played golf? What happened?
Speaker 1: Good time?
Speaker 5: How'd you play? You play like Rory. I won for sure.
Speaker 5: How much did you win?
Speaker 1: Eight bucks? Ten bucks? Eighteen?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: What time are you getting up in the morning?
Speaker 5: Now, well it was three twenty, so to bear that
Speaker 5: in mind. So if I can get up at five
Speaker 5: thirty or later, oh that's that's pretty good. You're sleeping in.
Speaker 5: I did six thirty eight one morning, was my record.
Speaker 5: So you woke up and said, what the hell, I
Speaker 5: gotta get to work.
Speaker 1: If there's that moment between consciousness and sleep when you're
Speaker 1: saying I got to get up and get.
Speaker 5: To work, there was this morning because it's Monday. Wait
Speaker 5: a minute, I don't have to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: What do you miss? And you miss it?
Speaker 5: I mean I've been three four days. What do you miss?
Speaker 5: You know, the camaraderie part of it's fun and the audience.
Speaker 5: You know, a bunch of nice people out there just
Speaker 5: had to come in because of the home studios kind
Speaker 5: of on the fritz.
Speaker 1: And well, I'm told though you're kind of looking around.
Speaker 1: I had a picture of you on Monday coming in,
Speaker 1: so they had to do the same thing. Then here
Speaker 1: it is again, another Monday. Do I see a pattern?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 1: Are you're going to come in? On a regular basis,
Speaker 1: just a couple of Happy go lucky commercials. What about
Speaker 1: picking up some shifts? Can you come in slowly? Now
Speaker 1: come back? I'm not slowly they're coming back. I'm not
Speaker 1: planning to do that. You're not coming back.
Speaker 5: No, you have to have your head in the game
Speaker 5: one hundred percent to do it right. And you know
Speaker 5: when you're retired, I'm not going to get my head
Speaker 5: in the game.
Speaker 1: And you said to me a few years ago something
Speaker 1: I recall, and that is that when if you're off
Speaker 1: for a week or ten days or two weeks, when
Speaker 1: you come back the first day or two you're not
Speaker 1: in the rhythm right. And I've noticed that. And so
Speaker 1: if you're out for several months, you're not coming back.
Speaker 1: But we want you to come back and maybe pinch
Speaker 1: it at a minimum. Would you consider that? No? May
Speaker 1: I ask why? Because everyone comes back.
Speaker 5: Reason Either you're either you're you know you're you're in
Speaker 5: it up to your eyeballs, or you're not.
Speaker 1: You got to be in it up to your eyeballs.
Speaker 1: Did you see it coming? Because I know Christmas time
Speaker 1: we did our spectacular and I mentioned to you then
Speaker 1: I said, this Christmas morning, do you think you want
Speaker 1: to announce and you said no, no, why do you
Speaker 1: choose to do it your way?
Speaker 5: That's you don't want to hear you know it. Don't
Speaker 5: need months of people saying why why are you?
Speaker 7: Why don't go?
Speaker 1: You know, so you hit a week of it. I'd
Speaker 1: like to minimize that a little bit. What about travel
Speaker 1: and might you visit Ukraine? Might you go to uh?
Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe next week. What are you going
Speaker 1: to do? Are you gonna travel? You're gonna live travel
Speaker 1: and travel make some fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny because I usually have always gone to
Speaker 5: see my family see Philly to Philly around Mother's Day.
Speaker 5: Even though my mom was gone, I still go around
Speaker 5: Mother's Day. But I was still in this work mode
Speaker 5: when I booked the flights, and I well, I got
Speaker 5: to come back on Sundays, like, well, I already booked it.
Speaker 1: Now I'd have to pay extra to change it. So
Speaker 1: you're not changing.
Speaker 5: I'm going to change it, but I'll know in the future.
Speaker 5: Get your head out of the fact that you're not working.
Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts on the stadium deal. We had
Speaker 1: on Scott Sloane had on Blessing. I just had on
Speaker 1: Adam Bird, who's like fourth in control of the House Representatives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: both of them are saying that dog's not going to
Speaker 1: hunt that. The Hanslom deal was reported like, well, the
Speaker 1: Brown's got their money, now let's get the banglet's get
Speaker 1: our money.
Speaker 5: Well, they got their money, but the idea is the
Speaker 5: state's supposed to get it back, so they development around.
Speaker 5: It would be like if we didn't build the banks yet,
Speaker 5: and if they give us money for the stadium and
Speaker 5: one of these banks, and you'll get all that money.
Speaker 1: But the bank's already there. There's no new revenue coming
Speaker 1: maybe slight, but not like Haslm's got a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty acres in the middle of nowhere. No money coming out,
Speaker 1: and according to according to the state, he's putting up
Speaker 1: fifty million off to the side of escrow. The state's
Speaker 1: going to get they're going to bond it. Then it's
Speaker 1: coming out. Now general revenue is coming out of a
Speaker 1: bonding when the bonds be paid off by the additional
Speaker 1: ec on. The activity doesn't apply here. But the Bengals
Speaker 1: are saying we went three hundred million dollars, like now
Speaker 1: we've got to redo the stadium in the next three years,
Speaker 1: and the state's saying no, no, no, what happens. We
Speaker 1: went through this in nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: What happens, play it out the next two months, is
Speaker 1: going to be done by June, or they're going to
Speaker 1: extend the lease.
Speaker 5: Well, FC once money, but at least they're building. They're
Speaker 5: doing that development to the side of it, which generates
Speaker 5: some income from the state. I mean, they're in a
Speaker 5: better position to get their money than the Bengals. And
Speaker 5: Lender is in a good position. He's given millions of
Speaker 5: dollars to the Republican Party and Mike Brown's given nothing
Speaker 5: to nobody.
Speaker 1: He doesn't make donations. He doesn't do that. So if they.
Speaker 5: Couldn't know what he does, I just I've heard he
Speaker 5: does quietly, quietly, but not make political donations.
Speaker 1: But the Lender family makes a huge political donations, and
Speaker 1: Mike Brown does not make huge political donations. He does
Speaker 1: it quietly under the side to help former players and others.
Speaker 1: He writes a check takes care of a different issue.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Bengals might leave? Mike McConnell, what
Speaker 1: do you say, No.
Speaker 5: You have the what's what's the option there? From the
Speaker 5: Brown where you have to give others an opportunity to
Speaker 5: buy it, and there are people out there with trillions
Speaker 5: of dollars they just they buy him. Just it's a fun.
Speaker 5: It's fun. It's a it's a notoriety. You know, you're
Speaker 5: playing with the big boys.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: If you've got an NFL teal team and there's billionaires
Speaker 1: that would like to buy him, yes, and then the
Speaker 1: deal would be to keep him here. Correct, and Katie
Speaker 1: and Troy don't want that. I think Mike Brown's ninety
Speaker 1: years old and at some point the Grim Reaper comes first.
Speaker 5: All yeah, but still, I mean, the the rule is
Speaker 5: the rule. You have to let somebody else, but you
Speaker 5: can't just back up and go. And I said that
Speaker 5: when they first built that thing, there's no way you'd
Speaker 5: have that gigantic edifice at the entrance to the city
Speaker 5: and nobody playing in it and.
Speaker 1: Had to tear it down. I mean, it's bad, it's bad.
Speaker 1: I think the NFL understands that Mike Brown is he
Speaker 1: often doesn't play well with others. Whenever there's something up,
Speaker 1: normally votes thirty one to one or thirty to two,
Speaker 1: and Mike's always the one of the two. And the
Speaker 1: NFL model now is to do the big Jerry world,
Speaker 1: the Hanslim deal, in other words, getting the real estate
Speaker 1: to development. Don't own a football team, get the big deal,
Speaker 1: and the Brown family doesn't one do that. They want
Speaker 1: to stay with football and believe or not, Troy and
Speaker 1: Katie are now in their fifties. That's getting old. At
Speaker 1: some point you want to say, well, do I want
Speaker 1: to keep beating my head against the wall. Let's cash
Speaker 1: out and make a lot of money, I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of money and live in Palm Springs. You already
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. They got a lot of money.
Speaker 1: How much of a lot of money? In d thirty
Speaker 1: million a year they make net plus the franchise values
Speaker 1: four to five billion dollars. Well, what's left to buy?
Speaker 1: You know, a certain time in life, what's left to buy?
Speaker 1: An all the stuff? You need? Another Lamborghini?
Speaker 5: Yeah they're they're not Lambeau people anyway. He drives Chevyes,
Speaker 5: which I like, what are you going to retire?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like what I'm doing. I like
Speaker 1: what you said you're getting old. Well, hell, we're all
Speaker 1: getting old. Yeah that's not a standard. I like what
Speaker 1: I'm doing get up in the morning. Penny said to me,
Speaker 1: if you got up this morning and didn't do this,
Speaker 1: what would you do? So I don't. She said, let's travel.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Iceland, Let's go to Tanzania. I said,
Speaker 1: what she wants to look at girafts. Let's go to Australia.
Speaker 1: Look at the ding bats. That's that's on our agenda
Speaker 1: is Australia, New Zealand. I got the ding bats right here.
Speaker 1: Why don't have to travel to look at it. My
Speaker 1: last trip was Jerusalem and that was kind of it
Speaker 1: for me. I'm kind of thinking, I don't want to travel.
Speaker 1: You don't like to travel. I do like the travels
Speaker 1: I don't like I like to travel. And Penny, like
Speaker 1: I said, dear, have your girlfriends. A lot of girlfriends
Speaker 1: have their husbands are dead. Have some money, go go
Speaker 1: on a riverboat. She's got a riverboat cruise coming up.
Speaker 1: I said, great, schedule another one. Do you agree? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They're fun. I recommend them better better than on the ocean.
Speaker 1: Rivers are a little more calmer than the oceans. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you're welcome here, Mike. Anytime you're on my Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: There's only one living head left. That's me, Me, you,
Speaker 1: Gary and Jim. That's it. You're on mine. I'm on
Speaker 1: your Mount Musher. Who's on your Mount Rushmore? Other than
Speaker 1: me and you? Who else is there? Hey? Gary? I
Speaker 1: put Trumpy and Gary up there. Trump is pretty big.
Speaker 1: What about Jim Scott? You've got about the living legend? Yeah,
Speaker 1: gotta put need more room like Trump on Mount Rushmore
Speaker 1: needs some more heads, the fifth head, the fifth head,
Speaker 1: all right, coming and do a few commercials and that it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go get some wall wall We got wah Wah. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I missed that. I grew up on wah Wah.
Speaker 1: I love Wah. I love going there. It's like breakfast, lunch, dinner.
Speaker 1: It's a grocery store. It's fun.
Speaker 5: Our little milk, milk cartons and grade school from wah
Speaker 5: Wah day. They're right up the street. They're big in Philadelphia. Yeah,
Speaker 5: well the dairy started first before they were convenience stores,
Speaker 5: and the gas station thing is much more recent.
Speaker 1: They were mainly convenience stores, know, and so now they're
Speaker 1: going to open a couple of days. Yeah, up in
Speaker 1: Butler County. I'll get there, you'll be there. My congratulations
Speaker 1: on a career well led. Thank you very much. Good
Speaker 1: to talk to you. God bless America.
Speaker 4: See you later.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Mike.
Speaker 1: He'll step in every now and then I think he'll
Speaker 1: be back. He's only tricking us. He's tricking us, that's
Speaker 1: what he's doing. I'll just continue with more after one o'clock.
Speaker 1: That was in mid flight, but the Bengals Cincinnati deal
Speaker 1: and Mike McConnell popped in any time, he's more than welcomed.
Speaker 1: So let's continue with more and after one o'clock today
Speaker 1: we'll be an expert on college camp is unrest and
Speaker 1: what's happening? Robert Spencer wrote a book on it, and
Speaker 1: where to send your kids? Or shall I say, we're
Speaker 1: not to send your kids to college. You send them
Speaker 1: off happy and healthy, they come back with hooks in
Speaker 1: their noses, multi colored hair, wearing dresses and if they're boys,
Speaker 1: and that's not the way things out to be. So
Speaker 1: if you want to know where not to send your
Speaker 1: kid to college, Robert Spencer will be up. Then later
Speaker 1: on is art Ali about why not why not to
Speaker 1: do business with China? His point is what we ought
Speaker 1: to do, he says, is to have like a cold
Speaker 1: war as they headed with USSR between nineteen forty five
Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety one. What forty six years of a
Speaker 1: cold war hopefully then become a hot war because that's
Speaker 1: a problem right now. China is a wounded bear. And
Speaker 1: will they attack Taiwan? Will they shut down power grid
Speaker 1: in this country? What will they do? Because they are
Speaker 1: a wounded bear and the Shijhao ping done worry about
Speaker 1: the midterms, doesn't worry about CNN commentary, doesn't worry about
Speaker 1: headlines and newspapers, doesn't worry about someone's religion. Catholics and
Speaker 1: Christians are murdered in China, and the wigers of Muslim
Speaker 1: minority are in concentration camps and more so, we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens there if the line becomes available. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand. Mike McConnell is back temporarily on news radio
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW by Bill Cunningham, The Great America and
Speaker 1: of course what Happened on October the seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Is one of the stars on human history and authored
Speaker 1: the book Anti Semitism, History and Myth. I want to share,
Speaker 1: with Robert Spencer's permission, the first couple sentences, which I
Speaker 1: think is very illustrative of what this issue deals with.
Speaker 1: The Imas attack on Israel October the seventh, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three was one of the most inhumane jihad attacks ever
Speaker 1: and reminiscent of the darkest days of the National Socialist
Speaker 1: Germany Republic. The attackers, glorified in their savagery against the Jews,
Speaker 1: invited each other to outdo one another to cruelty. Yet,
Speaker 1: despite or perhaps because of the cruelty and the brutality
Speaker 1: that attack unleashed in the past year and a half,
Speaker 1: expressions of hatred for Jews that shocked those who assume
Speaker 1: such hate was the thing in the past. And Robert Spencer,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Bill Cunningham shows. Let's go back a
Speaker 1: little bit in time as far as to hatred for
Speaker 1: the Jews. Where did it begin, how did it begin,
Speaker 1: and how did it metastasize to October the seventh.
Speaker 9: Well, it begins way back before even the beginning of
Speaker 9: Christianity in Pagan Rome, when the Romans were annoyed that
Speaker 9: the Jews were not assimilating. And that's really been the
Speaker 9: pattern ever since that the Jews throughout history wherever they've
Speaker 9: been have maintained their distinct identity, their distinct beliefs, culture
Speaker 9: and practices, and so they have run up against people
Speaker 9: who were hostile to them for that eason all through history. Today,
Speaker 9: the main source of anti Semitism is coming from the Left,
Speaker 9: which as we know, it's ferociously collectivists. Do you think
Speaker 9: about mouse China where everybody even wore the same clothes,
Speaker 9: and that's the ideal for the left. That's equity. You
Speaker 9: know that everybody's on the same level. And so they
Speaker 9: don't like Israel and they don't like Jews for maintaining
Speaker 9: once again those distinctive beliefs, culture and practices. And so
Speaker 9: as the Left is making its big push in the
Speaker 9: West of these days, it has become furiously anti Semitic
Speaker 9: and anti Jewish.
Speaker 1: As far as Christianity, I want to deal with that
Speaker 1: separately for a moment, because I think largely we Christians
Speaker 1: I'm a practicing Roman Catholic has overcome the vicious anti
Speaker 1: Semitism that went on for about a thousand or maybe
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred years or longer. The Jews in medieval France
Speaker 1: or Germany weren't treated any better than the Hamas treated
Speaker 1: the Jews. They were burned at the stake, they weren't
Speaker 1: allowed into societies offer for one thousand and a half
Speaker 1: years by Christians. And I heard the argument, the idea
Speaker 1: that the Jews were quote the christ killers played a
Speaker 1: part in that. And my boss is a Jewish carpenter,
Speaker 1: and I purposely have engaged the practice of law in
Speaker 1: Jewish law firms because I love, for some reason being
Speaker 1: around Jews and it's wonderful faith and family commitment education.
Speaker 1: But describe how Christians dealt with Jews until most recently
Speaker 1: but even today that is a lot less. But describe
Speaker 1: the relationship between Jews and Christians.
Speaker 9: Well, you really hit the nail on the head there
Speaker 9: bill saying that the Jews killed Christ and saw on
Speaker 9: that was the plane. It's kind of weird that that
Speaker 9: ever gained any currency, because, of course, we know as
Speaker 9: Christians that the fundamental idea of Christianity is that it's
Speaker 9: our sins that put Christ on the cross, and he
Speaker 9: is on the cross as an expiation for our sins.
Speaker 9: And so then to turn around and say, well, it's
Speaker 9: the jews fault that he's on the cross contradicts. It
Speaker 9: seems to me basic Christianity. And so that's one of
Speaker 9: the things that led to the fact that Christianity. Of
Speaker 9: the four main causes of anti Semitism, Christianity, Islam, national socialism,
Speaker 9: and international socialism, it's Christianity alone that repudiated anti Semitism
Speaker 9: and rejected it at the highest levels in every Christian group.
Speaker 1: That's an important comment to make Christians said, anti Semitism
Speaker 1: is awful as terrible. It's a senate's a crime to
Speaker 1: stop it. There's pockets that practice it, but not many,
Speaker 1: unlike in the Islamic world. And I kind of liken
Speaker 1: it to an extent to the founding this country. For
Speaker 1: a long time, Jews were not part of the American
Speaker 1: economic or democratic experience. Here in little Cincinnati, Ohio, there's
Speaker 1: a Jewish hospital which is wonderful. There's Jewish private country
Speaker 1: clubs which are great, and so over the generations. If
Speaker 1: society did not let the jew in, they created their
Speaker 1: own separate identities if permitted to do so, and flourished.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's absolutely right, though. And the thing is is
Speaker 9: that when they did that, then they were blamed for
Speaker 9: holding out and not becoming part of the larger group,
Speaker 9: and so it became kind of a vicious circle.
Speaker 1: So where are we today. October seventh is applauded by
Speaker 1: the radical left in this country. I watch on college campuses.
Speaker 1: It's awful. And it's in the Midwest too, because the
Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati, which is about ten miles from where
Speaker 1: I broadcast from, had another incident a couple of days
Speaker 1: ago where Hamas supporters were shouting down individuals. And it's
Speaker 1: true in the Midwest, but it's metastasized more in Columbia
Speaker 1: and the large campuses UCLA, University of Chicago. It's worse there.
Speaker 1: What is the current role of Islamic relations with Israel
Speaker 1: and with the jew.
Speaker 9: Well, of course there's tremendous hostility in the Islamic world
Speaker 9: to Israel and the Jews, because it's the very existence
Speaker 9: of Israel is an insult to Islam. Islam is a
Speaker 9: very earthly religion that is expansionist, supremacist, aggressive and violent,
Speaker 9: and it demands that Muslims wage war against unbelievers in
Speaker 9: order to bring the world under the hegemony of Islamic law.
Speaker 9: And the Quran teaches drive them out from where they
Speaker 9: drove you out, which means any land that was once
Speaker 9: ruled under Islamic law belongs by right to Muslims forever,
Speaker 9: and the Muslims have to fight to get it back
Speaker 9: if it is not being ruled under Islamic law. That
Speaker 9: means that there is no Israel of any size that
Speaker 9: would ever be acceptable to the Islamic world. And so
Speaker 9: there's always going to be this war. There's no not
Speaker 9: going to be a two state solution. There's not going
Speaker 9: to be peace with Israel ever, because of these elements
Speaker 9: of Islamic theology, and so as the campuses have become
Speaker 9: dominated by the left, and the left sees Islam as
Speaker 9: an ally, the Islamic anti Semitism has become mainstream on
Speaker 9: the left, and we are seeing it increasingly virulent and
Speaker 9: violent form on campuses all over the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you present it rather a dark future, but
Speaker 1: I think it's accurate. I can't conceive of Hamas or
Speaker 1: Boca Haram or Talibam or Isis saying, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's live separate apart Israel. You do your thing, We're
Speaker 1: do ours. We're going to build up our society. We
Speaker 1: want great schools, great colleges, we want great middle class
Speaker 1: values in Gaza, and we're going to demonstrate to the
Speaker 1: world how our way of thinking is better than yours.
Speaker 1: And you point out that will never happen. Explain for
Speaker 1: those who want to caute the two states solution, Explain
Speaker 1: why that will never happen.
Speaker 9: Okay, if you've got the religious imperative, drive them out
Speaker 9: from where they drove you out. Now you understand this
Speaker 9: is not based on the idea that the Israelis actually
Speaker 9: drove out the Arab Palestinians, although that is the claim,
Speaker 9: It's false. The Arab Higher Committee told them to leave
Speaker 9: in nineteen forty eight because they thought they would destroy
Speaker 9: Israel quickly and then they could they would get the people,
Speaker 9: the civilians out of the way, and then they could
Speaker 9: go back home in a few weeks when Israel was gone.
Speaker 9: But that didn't work out that way. Now, the fact is, though,
Speaker 9: this idea drive them out from where they drove you out,
Speaker 9: is based on the principle that I explained before that
Speaker 9: any land that belonged to the Muslims belongs to the
Speaker 9: Muslims forever, and so because the Muslims ruled the land
Speaker 9: of Israel in the Middle Ages, they have a right
Speaker 9: to it today. And so there is no agreement that
Speaker 9: can be made between Israel and any Muslim states that
Speaker 9: would allow Israel to exist indefinitely. If they did that,
Speaker 9: then many Muslims would consider that to be against Islam
Speaker 9: and would fight against the government that made the agreement.
Speaker 9: There is no Israel of any size that is acceptable
Speaker 9: under these circumstances. And so as long as there are
Speaker 9: Muslims who believe in Islam and believe in the Koran,
Speaker 9: then there can be no peace between those Muslims and Israel.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, Robert Spencer, that the Qur'an orders that
Speaker 1: adherent Muslims kill the jew wherever they might be located,
Speaker 1: especially in Israel.
Speaker 9: And that is the thing. It's not that every Muslim
Speaker 9: is going to do that, but yes it is. It's
Speaker 9: an imperative to wage war. Just as a matter of fact,
Speaker 9: this morning, the International Union of Muslim Scholars, which is
Speaker 9: just what it says, it is said that jihad against
Speaker 9: Israel is an obligation on every Muslim in the world.
Speaker 1: Well what is that? Because here in America there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of wobble. But I live in Cincinnati, Hamilton County,
Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky, there's not many Muslims. There's there's one big mosque,
Speaker 1: and it's peaceful, it's quiet, except when exported from outside
Speaker 1: into this country. There's not too many examples of of
Speaker 1: Muslim extremists killing Jews in America. Why is that the.
Speaker 9: Case, Well, in America, they know that that would bring
Speaker 9: more trouble onto the Muslim community than it's worth. Essentially
Speaker 9: that it's one thing to do it in a country
Speaker 9: where the authorities will say, yes, good thing, you did that.
Speaker 9: We hate the Jews too, you know, as in any
Speaker 9: Muslim country where the Jews have actually been driven out
Speaker 9: long ago, or in many places in Europe where the
Speaker 9: authorities are afraid of the Muslims and are not going
Speaker 9: to prosecute them seriously, as in Britain. And so it's
Speaker 9: a different thing when you have, especially with the Trump
Speaker 9: administration and power, you have a very different situation in
Speaker 9: the United States. And so I don't think you're going
Speaker 9: to see many Muslims, if any, heating the call of
Speaker 9: the International Union of Muslim Scholars.
Speaker 1: But they still made it as consequences here other parts
Speaker 1: of the world, there's no consequence. How about this theory.
Speaker 1: I've had this for a while. Robert Spencer, author of
Speaker 1: a great book anti Semitism, History and Myth, that the
Speaker 1: Jew serves as a convenient scapegoat for the failures of
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern societies. About thirty seven of the forty Muslim
Speaker 1: dominated societies in the world a terrible places to live.
Speaker 1: You do not want to live in Jordan or Egypt
Speaker 1: at middle class values, Aron, Iraq, Syria terrible places to live.
Speaker 1: So the Jew is a convenient scapegoat for the failures
Speaker 1: of the policies of the governing forces in Muslim countries
Speaker 1: and so like in Gaza. Now there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a movement of the Palestinians living in Gaza saying
Speaker 1: we can't live like this. It's awful, it's terrible to Hamas.
Speaker 1: Look what Hamas has done to us. I understand that
Speaker 1: the bodies of those who said such things in Gaza
Speaker 1: were divided into pieces and put on their families doorstep.
Speaker 1: That this is what happens in Gaza. When you say
Speaker 1: that somehow Hamas should be taken out of leadership in Gaza,
Speaker 1: which was about eighteen years ago, the Jew left Gaza
Speaker 1: completely and said, okay, you're on your own. Billions of
Speaker 1: dollars flowed into Gaza. It was used to build tunnels
Speaker 1: and bombs and missiles and rockets, not to improve the
Speaker 1: society in Gaza. But as far as my thoughts about
Speaker 1: Jews being convenient scapegoat for the failure of Muslim governments,
Speaker 1: what's your reaction to that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And here again it
Speaker 9: goes back to the Koran, and the Koran says that
Speaker 9: the Jews are the worst enemies of the Muslims, that
Speaker 9: the strongest in enmity against those who believe will be
Speaker 9: the Jews. And so anything bad happens, and as you noted,
Speaker 9: the people, the anti Hamas people in Gaza are getting killed.
Speaker 9: So anything bad happens, a lot of people they know, Well,
Speaker 9: we can't actually blame the government will get killed. We
Speaker 9: can't speak out freely against this. The only thing we
Speaker 9: can do is really blame the Jews. And this is
Speaker 9: what the governments encourage themselves because it takes the heat
Speaker 9: off them.
Speaker 1: So you also have a few comments in your book
Speaker 1: Anti Semitism History. Myth antisemitism leads to genocide in America
Speaker 1: is not yet led there because we don't have virulent antisemitism.
Speaker 1: There are scores a lot in America, but it's not
Speaker 1: government sponsored. But in those countries that consider Jews to
Speaker 1: be like rats and mice and cockroaches, anisseemitism does lead
Speaker 1: to genocide, correct.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's obvious from history. It's not
Speaker 9: just the Nazis, although they're the foremost example, but you
Speaker 9: look all around the Middle East. There used to be
Speaker 9: Jewish communities in pretty much every country, and they were
Speaker 9: all completely eradicated after the nineteen forty eight when the
Speaker 9: Jews in the various countries were blamed with, blamed for
Speaker 9: and associated with the state of Israel and either killed
Speaker 9: or forced out of the countries.
Speaker 1: And so the Middle East drained itself into Israel. Here's
Speaker 1: the are you ready for the big question? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do we go from here? Because I look at
Speaker 1: this point, Israel is an advanced society, in some ways
Speaker 1: more advanced than America when it comes to military They
Speaker 1: have vicious enemies all around them. Many Muslim Islami governments
Speaker 1: will pay ransom to individuals that are dead who blew
Speaker 1: themselves up to kill Jews. They're streets named after the
Speaker 1: so called martyrs of Islam and so here we sit
Speaker 1: in April of twenty twenty five. Can you tell me
Speaker 1: how it ends.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 9: I don't think that it's going to end well. I
Speaker 9: think that there's a fanatical hatred that's been loosed in
Speaker 9: the world and it's going to play out, and I'm
Speaker 9: hoping by this book to try to head off some
Speaker 9: of the worst of it. Maybe that's ambitious to say
Speaker 9: that one book can change things, but well, it's happened
Speaker 9: before in history, and the crisis is very advanced now.
Speaker 9: I think some people have dehumanized the Jews to such
Speaker 9: an extent that they would welcome a new genocide. And
Speaker 9: it's a very dangerous period we're in.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing Hamas said the leadership in Amas,
Speaker 1: who live like millions Airs by the way and Cutter
Speaker 1: and other rich Middle Eastern countries, that they said that
Speaker 1: they were asked, how come you locate your military basis
Speaker 1: underneath hospitals? How come you put rockets and missiles inside schools?
Speaker 1: And that's going to cause the unintended consequence of the
Speaker 1: death of innocent men, women and children and Gaza And
Speaker 1: the answer was, they are part of the jihad. They
Speaker 1: should want to die because when you die in this fashion,
Speaker 1: you have a special place in heaven. So Hamas and
Speaker 1: many Islamic militants want to kill their own, their own children,
Speaker 1: their own babies, by putting their military equipment inside facilities,
Speaker 1: knowing what's going to be the reaction. Now, how sick
Speaker 1: is that most civilized societies avoid that, But Hamas and
Speaker 1: bok of a Ram and others demand that you die,
Speaker 1: your children be killed. And when the hostages came out,
Speaker 1: most came out were treated horribly. They said, basically, they
Speaker 1: consider us to be rice, kind of like rats in
Speaker 1: the tunnels. So explain that theory that the Hamas will
Speaker 1: act in a way that'll cause the death of their
Speaker 1: own people.
Speaker 9: Well, this is another thing that goes back to Islamic teaching,
Speaker 9: and the Kuran actually says the Jews say that we
Speaker 9: are Allaw's children and his beloved. Then let them love
Speaker 9: death and that will prove see that they love a law,
Speaker 9: that they love death. They prefer life with a law
Speaker 9: in the next world to life in this world. And
Speaker 9: the idea of love of death is something that jihadis
Speaker 9: often refer to, saying we will win because we love
Speaker 9: death more than you love life. Like they're not afraid
Speaker 9: to die. They are happy to die because then they'll
Speaker 9: be with a law. And so they enforced that among
Speaker 9: their people. And you know, I remember seeing a few
Speaker 9: years back a guy who was going to go blow
Speaker 9: himself up. He had a truck full of explosives, and
Speaker 9: all his friends were outside the truck egging him on
Speaker 9: and telling him he was soon going to be with
Speaker 9: the virgins in paradise and how great it was and
Speaker 9: so on, and the guy starts crying. He didn't want
Speaker 9: to die. It's a natural impulse to love life and
Speaker 9: to want to be alive. That's a basic human impulse.
Speaker 9: But his loom fights against it.
Speaker 1: It's a culture of death. It's not a culture of life.
Speaker 1: And I don't see how it ends well. But thanks
Speaker 1: for the book. Robert Spencer. Book is anti Semitism, history
Speaker 1: and myth. It's everywhere. And Robert Spencer, once again, thank
Speaker 1: you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, setting the
Speaker 1: record straight. Thank you very much, Robert, what pleasure, Bill,
Speaker 1: Thank you, God bless you. Let's continue with more. As
Speaker 1: I say, often, the truth will set us all free.
Speaker 1: Go cunning Him every Day News Radio.
Speaker 10: Seven hundred twenty seconds left, one more snap for Desmond
Speaker 10: Ritter and the UC bear Cats. He takes the snap,
Speaker 10: he takes a knee, he pumps his vest, and the
Speaker 10: celebration begins at Notre Dame Stadium. Opportunity seized as the
Speaker 10: bear Cats send a message to the college football world.
Speaker 1: Did you see that?
Speaker 10: Cincinnati wins it twenty four to thirteen?
Speaker 1: Hell hello, hello, by it I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 4: Right guy.
Speaker 11: Second, clearly that was a moment in time, but they
Speaker 11: did not win the national title. We now have in
Speaker 11: the studio the Bearcat National Division one golf disc team?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Discolf?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: And Tom Young you're like the spokesman, introduce these other
Speaker 1: fine athletes you see fonni one something.
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I'm Thomas Young. I'm the president of
Speaker 12: the club. You'rect Donald Trump right there, he's the president. Yeah,
Speaker 12: there you go.
Speaker 1: I put tariffs on other teams. Tariff zager, aren't you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I'm joined with the A team here. Who's the D
Speaker 7: one Champs?
Speaker 12: D one Champs? You have c Bearcats win it all
Speaker 12: in disc golf, got three of the four here. Sadly,
Speaker 12: Lucas Boca Song cannot join us today. But is he
Speaker 12: in rehabb But what's he doing? He's a class, he's
Speaker 12: a skip class.
Speaker 1: Played the Masters. Yes, he's been drinking heavily after that.
Speaker 1: I can't find him. Now introduce you're right?
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I got Brad Caldwell over here on my right called
Speaker 1: well Brad and microphone. Know where'd you grow up? If anywhere?
Speaker 7: I'm from Cincinnati. So I grew up in Anderson, the.
Speaker 1: Home of the Redskins. Shall I say that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're still there, still there? Yeah, that was my
Speaker 7: senior year. They changed that.
Speaker 1: What position did you play on in disc golf? What
Speaker 1: is there? Positions? Backer?
Speaker 7: Thirds throw the frisbee?
Speaker 8: And you are a young man? Yeah, I'm Tanner young.
Speaker 8: So I grew up in the Colrain area here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: G ed from Colraine High School right there, let's go
Speaker 1: so and also your name, yeah it's ill can grow.
Speaker 13: I literally grew up like five minutes down the road.
Speaker 13: So yeah, I'm right nearby. Uh listening to seven hundred
Speaker 13: doll my hear this? I like that. That's unbelieved.
Speaker 1: So tell me about about how do you win the
Speaker 1: disc go the disc Disco Tennis Golf All Time Championship?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 12: Yeah, so it basically starts all the way back in
Speaker 12: August September, where you have to start with a couple
Speaker 12: of college rated events and then you get kind of
Speaker 12: team ratings from there, and if you get a good
Speaker 12: enough qualifying round, then you get a D one and
Speaker 12: a D two bid. We were lucky enough to get
Speaker 12: our D one bid on our very first go at it,
Speaker 12: and since then we were kind of dominating.
Speaker 7: We didn't lose a single event after that point.
Speaker 1: Tell me how you play? How do you put a
Speaker 1: put a basket on a tree somewhere.
Speaker 12: That it's a it's a metal it's a metal cage
Speaker 12: that has a top of a bottom and then chains
Speaker 12: dangling down from it. Okay, and so you place it
Speaker 12: basically in a field in the woods, and then you
Speaker 12: take turns throwing like different strokes, just like golf. You
Speaker 12: start from the tea pad, you throw it down and
Speaker 12: you try to get it into the bath.
Speaker 1: How did you develop these skills? How long did it take? Yeah?
Speaker 13: I started like twenty twenty, so it's been like four
Speaker 13: or fourish years. Yeah, lifting up clearly clearly not that
Speaker 13: it's just a lot, it's just a lot of forum work. Yeah,
Speaker 13: hours upon hours of budding practice. Yeah, it's a lot
Speaker 13: of work. Yeah, it's a lot of work to win
Speaker 13: the national title. The friendly confines to put up the
Speaker 13: country club should happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how who'd you play? What other teams did
Speaker 1: you beat? Get to the top? You see, he's finally
Speaker 1: won something.
Speaker 8: Yes, so we beat you and c North Carolina. We
Speaker 8: beat Charlotte, Kentucky, Ohio State dating all the local teams
Speaker 8: from around here pretty much.
Speaker 1: Imagine. Yep, you get a scholarship, you have money, nil money,
Speaker 1: you got cheerleaders? What do you got?
Speaker 7: Not yet? But next year maybe you never.
Speaker 1: Does you see? No, you won the national title.
Speaker 7: I believe.
Speaker 12: So we did have an interview with the news guys.
Speaker 12: So you see news guy, it wasn't on the front.
Speaker 12: Did anyone care when you came back? Do you have a parade?
Speaker 7: We got a post on Instagram? So how about a ring?
Speaker 1: You got the rings?
Speaker 7: No, we got little trophies though.
Speaker 1: Many you see is cheap. Yeah, I mean get a
Speaker 1: parade and get it. Get a ring.
Speaker 11: Well, we told the dodgeball champs from Miami they got
Speaker 11: to get recognized.
Speaker 1: I lo put the heat on you see to recognize
Speaker 1: she's get done.
Speaker 11: You know it's a national championship. Well, I don't care
Speaker 11: what if it's a disc golf, basketball or whatever.
Speaker 1: These guys need to be recogn You know, my brother
Speaker 1: is John Cunningham athletic. You know who he is. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, he's the athletic director. You see,
Speaker 1: he's probably sports.
Speaker 7: We're club sports. Club sports is completely different. We get
Speaker 7: even less recognition.
Speaker 1: You get nothing, you get nothing.
Speaker 7: But we had Tim White is our guy, is the
Speaker 7: big club.
Speaker 1: But doesn't John Town to get with it, have control
Speaker 1: over D one disc golf is.
Speaker 12: No because so it's D one for uh for college
Speaker 12: disc golf. But it's still technically considered a club sport.
Speaker 12: It's not like we don't have divisions, Like we don't
Speaker 12: have a big twelve O. You beat everybody, but we
Speaker 12: beat everybody in basically undefeated, tied.
Speaker 1: Unscored on Yeah, unbelievable. Andy Mack. How about nil money?
Speaker 1: I need no money, no no, no, need a gas card,
Speaker 1: not nil money.
Speaker 12: You go to Wall Wall, go to wallall here he's
Speaker 12: sponsored by disc craft.
Speaker 1: Really you got sponsors already? Yes I do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the money and disc golf go.
Speaker 1: To Wall Wall. They're gonna open up in a couple
Speaker 1: of days. Get some wa Wall money. You know what
Speaker 1: I do not neither do I segment.
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Speaker 11: Cal Sheldon Braun at Braun Heating at five one, three, three, eight, five,
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Speaker 11: Dealing yesterday struck out eight walked one, Reds blank doose
Speaker 11: Pirates four nil to take, get out the brooms and sweep.
Speaker 11: And now they Reds have the day off today. I
Speaker 11: understand they're golfing because of you can't say Kenwood can't
Speaker 11: say they have the day off. And they the Seattle
Speaker 11: Mariners come to town tomorrow night to pitching matchup former
Speaker 11: Red Luis Castillo, the Nick Lodolo rest of one five
Speaker 11: of the last six, and the Mariners of Mariners, who
Speaker 11: just came off a sweep of the Texas Rangers at home.
Speaker 11: They're eight and eight and they've won four to row.
Speaker 1: We've got two teams Mariner's playing tough. The Reds have
Speaker 1: played ten percent of their schedule already I see.
Speaker 11: Roy McElroy yesterday with a birdie on the first hole
Speaker 11: of a playoff, beating Justin Rose to win the green
Speaker 11: jacket and the Masters for the first time.
Speaker 1: Tom Young, could you beat McIlroy in disc golf? Absolutely
Speaker 1: without a doubt. Let's try something. I'll get ahold of
Speaker 1: Augusta National. Let's get down there in the Masters. Orry,
Speaker 1: I'm calling you out right now. Let me see those
Speaker 1: four guys running around eighteen but the disc golf along
Speaker 1: with that last ye head shots, head shots there.
Speaker 11: They threw the guy out for wearing shorts the other day, right,
Speaker 11: and not a guy do anything to the guy that
Speaker 11: h relieved received himself in race creek.
Speaker 1: Can you see pulling raised creek and just relieving yourself.
Speaker 1: You guys haven't done that? Have you playing on the
Speaker 1: course and you gotta go and you gotta go and
Speaker 1: never never of course not. Yeah. See, these guys got
Speaker 1: golf etiquet. They're good in line too. Please continue.
Speaker 11: Well, we also want to thank h wah wah speaking
Speaker 11: of them, wah wah their first store coming up in
Speaker 11: Ohio on April the sixteenth, the first store in Ohio
Speaker 11: and Liberty Township.
Speaker 1: That guy went Ppe at wahwah.
Speaker 11: They went see grand opening specials April sixteenth through twenty seventh.
Speaker 11: The doors open on what is it Wednesday? Will you
Speaker 11: be there at eight am? Will you be there eight
Speaker 11: o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I'll be here, will he sorry? Ribbon cutting at nine am.
Speaker 11: So they got a lot of specials and they're going
Speaker 11: to open up a lot of stores.
Speaker 1: Around the area. Wa so wah wah, we welcome you
Speaker 1: to Ohio. Thomas.
Speaker 12: You know what is only from the TikTok ads that
Speaker 12: they get only what is a wah wah? I get
Speaker 12: that at all the time. So I do actually know.
Speaker 1: What By your age, you should know that it's an experience.
Speaker 1: It's an experience. You go there, you get some gas.
Speaker 1: What do you get seg man lunch? Breakfast? Apparently?
Speaker 11: Will you they got excellent sandwiches we had on today
Speaker 11: some today they had they had you got sandwiches, they
Speaker 11: got pizza, they got.
Speaker 1: Everything you guys eat, pea got cookies everything. Cincinnati Date Road.
Speaker 11: It opens on the Wednesday, doors open at eight, Ribbon cutting,
Speaker 11: ceremony festivities at nine.
Speaker 1: These guys are flat Belly.
Speaker 11: Seventy one ninety eight Cincinnati Date road and liberty twip.
Speaker 11: Do you work out to play disc golf? Do you
Speaker 11: like run marathons? Get loosed?
Speaker 1: You lift weights, you get stretched flexing? What is the
Speaker 1: main skill in disc golf? You won the national title?
Speaker 1: Many people want to know how'd you get it done?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 13: I mean, honestly, just kind of get out on the field,
Speaker 13: throw as many times as you possibly can till your
Speaker 13: arm gets sore, and that's about it.
Speaker 1: That's what that's outretch pitching. You just got there.
Speaker 11: So there's not eighteen holes like there are eighty hos, yes,
Speaker 11: and you can throw as many times as you want
Speaker 11: each hole, but you're.
Speaker 7: Trying not to throw it that many times.
Speaker 1: You know, one time you get a point, then you
Speaker 1: go to the next hole. Not quite like that. It's
Speaker 1: literally the same as golf board, exactly the same as
Speaker 1: golf stroke play. You start the yep, got eighteen baskets?
Speaker 1: Throw that and how far away are you when you
Speaker 1: start throwing? From one hundred and fifty to thousand? Really, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: like three hundred and thirty yards one thousand? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be five. And then if you throw it
Speaker 1: in one, can you throw it in one? Not on
Speaker 1: a five. Now, let's say you stopped here, here's the frise.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for a disc, I'm sorry, segment disk, Get
Speaker 1: it right, get it right?
Speaker 11: Then you stop, Then you throw it again. Yeah, you
Speaker 11: throw it again. You should take five throws to get there.
Speaker 1: Theoretically, Yeah, theoretically, and a part three would be how
Speaker 1: long anywhere from? Like, yeah, one hundred and fifty to
Speaker 1: hundred feet? So why do you beat all these teams?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Why do you beat them? Why do you beat everybody?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 8: Well, we actually throw the farthest probably of any team
Speaker 8: in the nations collectively.
Speaker 1: Like d Schambeau.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, exactly right. Pudding can sometimes be our weakness.
Speaker 8: If we're putting good, right, great, putting good, we're always
Speaker 8: gonna out throw everybody else.
Speaker 1: What's pitting?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 1: What do you mean putting? What do you do? Just
Speaker 1: like putting around the green and golf? You know, how
Speaker 1: close do you get for a putt?
Speaker 7: Anything within like forty five feet i'd say is a putt?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How big? How big is the basket?
Speaker 7: How wide it's about I'd say two two feet?
Speaker 1: Why really it takes us?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: How high is it off? The ground. I see the
Speaker 1: four or five feet Yeah, well the.
Speaker 12: Top of the cage probably, and you have to throw
Speaker 12: it up to go in, and just going to the
Speaker 12: side quite a bit of power, and people are cheering
Speaker 12: and going nuts.
Speaker 1: They get with you on the field of honor and
Speaker 1: walk with you for some of.
Speaker 7: Our final holes at the bigger tournaments.
Speaker 12: Yeah, there is sometimes a decent gallery.
Speaker 1: But if I set things up at Kenwood Country Club
Speaker 1: with Dan plunkin the general manager, will you guys come
Speaker 1: and do some dish throwing at Kenwood Country Club? You
Speaker 1: would like that, wouldn't you look like avon fielders?
Speaker 11: And how big that goes? Over and see membership committee.
Speaker 11: You got these four disc golf They're gonna throw it
Speaker 11: at you, is what they're gonna do. I'll be You'll
Speaker 11: grown out in the front of the head. So next
Speaker 11: year you get ready, are you four guys coming back?
Speaker 11: You see national champions.
Speaker 12: I'm not I'm graduating, but the three of them are
Speaker 12: the guys. What do you want to be when you
Speaker 12: grow up? I'm actually an aerospace engineer. Yeah, I got
Speaker 12: an aerospace engineer.
Speaker 1: Blue Warriors it just went up this morning. You see
Speaker 1: the blue thing horizon went up in this four or
Speaker 1: five ladies came back. So what's the next step if
Speaker 1: you're an aeronautical engineer? What do you do?
Speaker 12: So I'm actually moving out to Denver in a couple
Speaker 12: of months. I'm working for a company called ursa major
Speaker 12: doing some design and manufacturing work for a like a
Speaker 12: small American engine company.
Speaker 1: That guy's got a shot a life right there behind
Speaker 1: these three dearrelks to kind of continue your Europe pretty much.
Speaker 1: How do you get to recruit guys to come try
Speaker 1: for the team?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 12: So usually the guys that are like, for example, Ilkin
Speaker 12: came he was he was well known in the disc
Speaker 12: golf community before coming to college. They're like a star, Like, yeah,
Speaker 12: he definitely is a star. Way that this guy's a
Speaker 12: star in the disc community.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean I I.
Speaker 1: Don't see that. I'm you're a star in the disc community.
Speaker 1: How does that mean?
Speaker 7: I can you want?
Speaker 1: You want to talk about your wins?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: About your wins?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 13: I won the US Amateur Championship in twenty twenty two
Speaker 13: and then the Junior World Championship in twenty twenty two
Speaker 13: as well, So that excuse me, might lessons?
Speaker 1: Wow, So you're like do you get paid to come.
Speaker 13: No, I think get paid to come here, but I
Speaker 13: do play tournaments for money at this point. So thankfully
Speaker 13: the college you're if you make like if you're not
Speaker 13: on tour basically, so I'm not traveling to play disc golf.
Speaker 13: I'm allowed to still play for the college, but I
Speaker 13: do play a bunch of.
Speaker 1: You got a future? Is there a professional life?
Speaker 13: And I've got a bunch of friends who are on
Speaker 13: the tour. They make a tour, yeah right, oh yeah,
Speaker 13: they're starting to the top three or four. Guys make
Speaker 13: multimillion dollars a year. There's definitely a there's definitely a spot,
Speaker 13: just not.
Speaker 11: As stupid as I thought. Guys make a million dollars
Speaker 11: there throwing disc golf.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's your future, hopefully, I hope it is.
Speaker 8: Me and Bradley don't exactly have our futures as figured
Speaker 8: out as a Yeah, what what's the square root of
Speaker 8: eighty one nine?
Speaker 2: Not me?
Speaker 14: Who's the Attorney General the United States of America, Bradley,
Speaker 14: that's Macelroy. Isn't Bondim Bondy.
Speaker 1: So guys can congratulations.
Speaker 11: Millions of dollars to be a professional disc golfer and
Speaker 11: that's your goal.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's not, Michael.
Speaker 13: Actually no, I I hate traveling, so I couldn't be
Speaker 13: on the store.
Speaker 1: I'm also an engineer.
Speaker 13: I'm just in my second year, so I'm I'm on
Speaker 13: the track for that and I'll just play disc golf
Speaker 13: for fun.
Speaker 1: What do you want to be when you grow that's
Speaker 1: a good question.
Speaker 11: Brand you.
Speaker 1: Guys want to drink beer and chase girls.
Speaker 7: That's the goal.
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. Congratulations, we've had the We've had the
Speaker 1: Miami National. You gotta win. Come back next year. Who's good.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the captain next year. You think the
Speaker 1: captain and lead the ship. Come on back next year.
Speaker 1: If you win the national title again, you're more than
Speaker 1: welcome here. Thank Let's do it. Unbelievable. We'll give you
Speaker 1: some way. You want a T shirt, we'll get you.
Speaker 1: That'll be your prize. Yeah, there's your first sponsor right there.
Speaker 1: John Cunningham's got to know my brothers got to know
Speaker 1: about this team. Become a professional team, kind of like
Speaker 1: the UC football team that stinks or the best about
Speaker 1: team segment. Get me on suture part. We got the champions.
Speaker 11: Willian and Hunter of the University of Cincinnati Bearcats National
Speaker 11: disc golf champions.
Speaker 1: Undefeated, untied on scored on.
Speaker 11: More than they beat, more than eighty schools. Unbelievable across
Speaker 11: three to you guys need some publicity, you get with it. Clifton,
Speaker 11: come on, come on, Cunningham. We leave you with the
Speaker 11: immortal words of the Stood Report.
Speaker 3: Always good to be with you, Bill, see you later.
Speaker 1: I talked to the Governor and by the way, I
Speaker 1: called him during the break he said, I'm with j D.
Speaker 1: Say hello, I said, j D. How you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: He said, good? I come back on the show, he said,
Speaker 1: he would. I think I have the governor on tomorrow.
Speaker 11: We'll get the governor. Get these guys wrecking. You got
Speaker 11: need some money? You need some right like the Bengals
Speaker 11: need a Bengals.
Speaker 1: They're giving sixty six hundred and sixty million to Cleveland.
Speaker 11: Let's give these guys a couple of mill Yeah, this guy,
Speaker 11: you're going to be a star except dis golf.
Speaker 1: Will you accept the money? Good luck, guys, have a parade,
Speaker 1: get the rings, you got everything. Congratulations on a life
Speaker 1: we all live now. Become great engineers, yes, sir, and
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, and or teachers and derelks whatever
Speaker 1: it might be.
Speaker 4: Segment.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. You're welcome. I let's continue with
Speaker 1: more coming up after the break. Is an experts how
Speaker 1: we see on China American relations and what we should
Speaker 1: do on news Radio seven hundred WULW by Bill cunning
Speaker 1: in The Great American. Of course, what's happening out between
Speaker 1: the United States and China is a great concern. It
Speaker 1: appears the largest tariff, about one hundred and twenty five percent,
Speaker 1: is going to be used against China, which is going
Speaker 1: to hurt them a lot more than their tariffy's going
Speaker 1: to hurt us. But nonetheless, one has to examine the
Speaker 1: kind of government we're dealing with. We can't agree everything,
Speaker 1: but I think Canada and Mexico, the EU certainly more
Speaker 1: in line with our values, so to speak, than what
Speaker 1: happens in Communists read China and Art to Ali is
Speaker 1: called the tim Plan, which applies Christian responsible investing to everything,
Speaker 1: including the Chinese Communist Party in China. And first of all,
Speaker 1: Art Alli, welcome, I think for the first time to
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Shaw heart and to understand that you're
Speaker 1: a good friend of Ken Blackwell. It's been a friend
Speaker 1: of mine for a very long time. I see Ken
Speaker 1: on the road now and then, so you must be
Speaker 1: a great American. But first of all, let's describe what
Speaker 1: is China today, because we anticipate that there's somehow they
Speaker 1: think they're going to take over the world. They float
Speaker 1: hot air balloons over the top of us, they have
Speaker 1: fed all over the country. Supposedly, they have malware and
Speaker 1: all of our important communication systems.
Speaker 11: They're not our friend. Art described China as it is
Speaker 11: constituted today.
Speaker 4: Well, they're a communists nation and they always think they're
Speaker 4: going to take over the world, and at times it
Speaker 4: looks like they might, but not Now. You know, Communism,
Speaker 4: as you well know I am sure, is a i'm
Speaker 4: a system that is destined to failure every single time.
Speaker 4: But you know, we do have a Timothy plan. We've
Speaker 4: got nineteen different funds, one of which is an international fund,
Speaker 4: and all of them are managed by outstanding money management firms.
Speaker 4: But we do the research in house to tell them
Speaker 4: what they cannot own for our shareholders. And when it
Speaker 4: comes to China, I kind of tried to figure a
Speaker 4: way around it years ago and said, well, you know,
Speaker 4: if it's privately owned company, and you like it, maybe
Speaker 4: we can invest in it, but if it's communist owned,
Speaker 4: we will not touch it with a ten foot pole.
Speaker 4: And then you know, I finally came to the understanding
Speaker 4: and conclusion. Man, when you're under communism, they control everything,
Speaker 4: no matter who things, they own it. So we will
Speaker 4: not invest in any company in China.
Speaker 1: What about American company so to speak, I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: Apple or Tesla that have deep connections with the Chinese government.
Speaker 1: I have an Apple Phone. I don't drive a Tesla,
Speaker 1: don't care much for evs, I like hybrids, I like
Speaker 1: Chevy Blazers. How do you respond to those who are
Speaker 1: like an Apple, that have deep connections or Walmart gets
Speaker 1: many of their products from China. How do you work
Speaker 1: around that if at all?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we screen out Apple for a one
Speaker 4: hundred different reasons. And I too have an Apple phone
Speaker 4: because there's the real choice. But Chinese communism, they may
Speaker 4: give concessions at all, but they don't run that company.
Speaker 4: You know, it's an American company, it's run here, it's
Speaker 4: not controlled by the communists. But you know, you're right,
Speaker 4: we have been so careless for so many years on
Speaker 4: allowing them to steal our technology and they thought, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a huge market. It's a huge market because they've
Speaker 4: got more people than any other nation on Earth. But
Speaker 4: it's a very poor nation and economically they're hurting.
Speaker 1: Well they are. And I've had Kevin o'larry, who's mister
Speaker 1: Wonderful on CNBC, etc. Talk about not one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five percent tariff on communist red China. He wants
Speaker 1: to make it four hundred percent. And Kevin o'lary and
Speaker 1: Elon Musk has said the same thing. They lie, cheat
Speaker 1: and steel. There's no functional court system. You have no
Speaker 1: rights except those given to you by the government. If
Speaker 1: you object to something, good luck, there's nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: It's a closed system. Property rights don't exist. You may
Speaker 1: think you have property, but you do not. They can
Speaker 1: take it over in a heartbeat. And also on the
Speaker 1: issue of organ harvesting, this is an issue we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the Wigers in a moment, which is the obliteration
Speaker 1: of a religious minority. There's no Catholic or Christian churches
Speaker 1: allowed to function in China. And talk about the harvesting
Speaker 1: the organ's inmates and others, of course against their will.
Speaker 1: And that's not well covered either, is it.
Speaker 4: Oh man, No, it is not in your right on man.
Speaker 4: There's so much evil that comes out of that regime
Speaker 4: because human rights are only in a communist nation, whatever
Speaker 4: whoever sitting on the throne decides are going to be
Speaker 4: And so organ harvesting that's not a problem for them.
Speaker 4: Production of fentanyl, that's not a problem for them. In
Speaker 4: order to take over the world, you have to kind
Speaker 4: of erode the pillars and foundations upon which any nation
Speaker 4: is founded. And you know, organ harvesting is I mean,
Speaker 4: these people ought to be skinned alive for doing that.
Speaker 4: But the fentanyl, you know, they're the source of that.
Speaker 4: They were the source of this. Well I don't want
Speaker 4: to get too critical, but this made up pandemic that
Speaker 4: we had with the COVID that proved that the government
Speaker 4: can control everything. It never controlled me, never control our church,
Speaker 4: never control Timothy Plan. But too many people just kind
Speaker 4: of saluted and stood in line on that. But China
Speaker 4: was you know, they're the source of a lot of evil.
Speaker 4: And why Buddy would want to invest there is beyond me.
Speaker 4: But there are some of our our I can't call
Speaker 4: them peers, but you know, our competitors that don't do
Speaker 4: the moral screening. Man. They have no problem investing in
Speaker 4: China if they think they can make.
Speaker 3: A buck out of it.
Speaker 4: But you know, at what price are you willing to
Speaker 4: give up your moral values for me? At my house,
Speaker 4: we're not at all willing to give them up.
Speaker 1: And you've said in your writings that when you look
Speaker 1: at what China's done to America, whether it's one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand Americans killed every year from fentanyl imported from China,
Speaker 1: we talk about hot air balloons rolling over the top
Speaker 1: of the country that Biden allowed to occur. You have
Speaker 1: buying thousands of acres of land around US military bases.
Speaker 1: You have the COVID coming manufactured by the Chinese, and
Speaker 1: by the way, American taxpayers helped to create co with
Speaker 1: the virus inside the lay of COVID nineteen in Wuhan,
Speaker 1: and no one's been hell to account for that. It
Speaker 1: is a massive communist enterprise, which, unlike the USSR that
Speaker 1: had missile technology, this particular communist ideation is a strong
Speaker 1: economic power and has a military on the ascendency. Why
Speaker 1: did America get in bed with China in the first place,
Speaker 1: which you know, thirty five years ago because of so
Speaker 1: called free trade, we encouraged our manufacturing companies others to
Speaker 1: move to China, and then thirty years later we're left
Speaker 1: with this Why did we go down this route at all?
Speaker 4: I guess it's the same reason Bill that my dad,
Speaker 4: he always told me when I was growing up. He's
Speaker 4: her son. It's always about the money. And unfortunately in
Speaker 4: America we have chased that almighty dollar, which isn't so almighty.
Speaker 4: But I am thrilled with the fact that we have
Speaker 4: a new Sheri up in town that is trying to
Speaker 4: straightened out one hundred years of incompetent feelings, and a
Speaker 4: lot of that had to do with China. So I'm
Speaker 4: with these other guys man slap a four hundred percent
Speaker 4: eight hundred percent terraiff. They are going to collapse from within.
Speaker 4: We don't need to help fund an extension of time
Speaker 4: for that regime to experience a failure. They're going to effect.
Speaker 4: But you know, bottom line, we can philosophy about nationalism
Speaker 4: and all the rest, but the bottom line is every
Speaker 4: single person is responsible for their own behavior, and so
Speaker 4: that's why the Timothy Plan exists. I wish we could
Speaker 4: change America. We're having a bit of an impact. But
Speaker 4: even if we can't, our purpose is to give people
Speaker 4: an opportunity to invest according to their convictions and not
Speaker 4: be concerned they're getting into bed with people like China
Speaker 4: or American corporations that are involved in abortion, pornography and
Speaker 4: promoting LGBTQ. I mean, American corporations are nearly as guilty
Speaker 4: as some of the Chinese ones are.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're a practicing Roman Catholic or a Christian,
Speaker 1: or if you're a Jew, God forbid in China, and
Speaker 1: what would happen to a religious person to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I want to go to church, I want
Speaker 1: to build a synagogue, I want to get a mosque.
Speaker 1: And there's a Muslim minority called the Wigers that are
Speaker 1: being obliterated by the Chinese government. What religious rights or
Speaker 1: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press,
Speaker 1: do process rights? A functional court system? More or less?
Speaker 1: What if that does an individual Chinese man or woman
Speaker 1: have if they want to want to praise the Lord?
Speaker 1: What happens?
Speaker 4: They have zero rights to do that in China and
Speaker 4: Chinese have no The regime has no problem of wiping
Speaker 4: those people.
Speaker 1: Out, killing them.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you this. The Christians in China are
Speaker 4: stronger and better Christians than the Christians in America because
Speaker 4: for us it's too easy. You don't have you know,
Speaker 4: they put it on the line for their faith and
Speaker 4: so their faith is real where ours has gotten way
Speaker 4: too shallow. But that's a subject for another day. But no,
Speaker 4: you have no rights over there. And as a result
Speaker 4: of that, you've got a communist regime that is making
Speaker 4: everybody equally poor, independent and they think that that is
Speaker 4: the answer to them being in control of everything, but
Speaker 4: it cannot last.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I look at this thing and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know myself, that something bad. They have power in
Speaker 1: a sense over Taiwan. They have power in a sense
Speaker 1: all the malware they've put in utility companies and communication devices.
Speaker 1: There's certain things they can do to us indirectly because
Speaker 1: we've allowed it to happen. And if China's pushed into
Speaker 1: a corner and there it's pushed up against the wall,
Speaker 1: do you fear them lashing out by shutting off parts
Speaker 1: of our communication system, our water systems. They can shut
Speaker 1: down universities or hospitals, shut down businesses. Are you concerned
Speaker 1: about They're reality using their malware.
Speaker 4: They certainly have the capacity and ability to do that.
Speaker 4: Whether it happens or not, I don't know know that.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not trying to promote our current administration,
Speaker 4: but they're taking steps for trying to protect all that stuff,
Speaker 4: and they're taking heat for it. Believe it or not.
Speaker 4: They could do that. They could shut down our whole grid.
Speaker 4: These balloons that came over. If Donald Trump had been
Speaker 4: in office at that time, that balloon would have never
Speaker 4: made it over our border.
Speaker 1: No, I never got out of South Dakota.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. So you know we are on
Speaker 4: the right track. Is it too late?
Speaker 3: I hope not.
Speaker 4: All right, maybe it is, but I hope not. But anyway,
Speaker 4: you know, individually, we all ought to be really responsible
Speaker 4: for what we're doing. And if we all do it right,
Speaker 4: then the rest of everything takes care of itself.
Speaker 1: Art we got to run What is your website? Tell
Speaker 1: the American people your website.
Speaker 4: All it's real simple, Timothyplan dot com. You know, check
Speaker 4: the website. We're glad to fill in any information. We
Speaker 4: don't sell anything. We're there for service, to take care
Speaker 4: of people. And you know, God gave us this mission
Speaker 4: thirty one years ago and we're still here and our
Speaker 4: shareholders are very happy.
Speaker 1: All right, Art, thank you very much for coming on
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Eric, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Okay, God blessed Bill, thank you for the good work
Speaker 4: you're doing.
Speaker 1: God bless thank you very much. Once again, America has
Speaker 1: a big decision to make, which is whether we partner
Speaker 1: up with communist read China as we've done for the
Speaker 1: past thirty years to who's benefit, or whether we treat
Speaker 1: them as we treated the old USSR and now Russia,
Speaker 1: which are Paria state, which is a prize state, and
Speaker 1: say we're in a cold wall. And I've remarked before
Speaker 1: that before nine to eleven, we thought, okay, well, the
Speaker 1: Al qata declared war on us Osama bin Laden, and
Speaker 1: we just didn't accept the idea we are at war
Speaker 1: with Islamic FUNDAMENTALSS murderers. And now we have to decide
Speaker 1: whether we're at war with a cold war with communist
Speaker 1: right China. And the answer, of course is yes, they
Speaker 1: declared war on us about thirty years ago, and we've
Speaker 1: not properly responded whatsoever because of our desire to have
Speaker 1: shall we say, six hundred million middle class human beings
Speaker 1: to use our products. But it hadn't worked out very
Speaker 1: well at all. In fact, has worked out terribly. And
Speaker 1: so going back about thirty years, there was China is
Speaker 1: our number one geopolitical foe. They see us as such,
Speaker 1: and over the years China's enacted egregious actions against the US.
Speaker 1: We foolishly and enabled them to end with the World
Speaker 1: Trade Organization. And once upon a time even Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: was spoke against granting China Most Favored Nation and trade
Speaker 1: status because she said the trade deficit was too high.
Speaker 1: And what she said that thirty years ago it was
Speaker 1: thirty four billion dollars. Now it's three hundred billion dollars
Speaker 1: a year. And as the mister Wonderfulest set have had
Speaker 1: them on several times, Larry, he talks about the fact
Speaker 1: that they run a regime completely inconsistent with not just
Speaker 1: American values because of the obliteration of religion that's shooting
Speaker 1: political opponents, but also they lie, cheat, and steel in
Speaker 1: intellectual properties. So we allowed our markets to be open
Speaker 1: to them, but they never opened their markets to us. Plus,
Speaker 1: China obviously is killing large numbers of Americans on a
Speaker 1: regular basis. I guess. It began about fifteen years ago
Speaker 1: with a Florida drywall issue and what's drywall from China
Speaker 1: was rotting in the walls. But then became the Wuhan
Speaker 1: virus they created in the lab that we paid to
Speaker 1: create the lab virus, the Wuhan COVID nineteen. We the
Speaker 1: taxpayer talk to Congress and brad winstrip about that is investigation.
Speaker 1: We paid the money that created the virus that killed
Speaker 1: over a million Americans. They've never admitted anything to that effect.
Speaker 1: No lawsuits can be filed against them because they don't
Speaker 1: have a court system. They'll let foreigners in. So began
Speaker 1: small with a China drawwall issue. Then it became the
Speaker 1: Wuhan virus, and they had quite a laugh about that one.
Speaker 1: And now it's on the killing Americans through fentanyl. One
Speaker 1: hundred thousand a year, all out of communists are at China.
Speaker 1: Do it for Jack quell dot com? Do it for
Speaker 1: Jack one of one hundred thousand Americans killed every year
Speaker 1: by fentanyl. So they're literally killing us directly and indirectly.
Speaker 1: And now we're told that we can't have a tariff
Speaker 1: against them because tariffs are bad. If tariffs are so bad.
Speaker 1: How come all the world uses tariffs? And if the
Speaker 1: goal is to hurt the American consumer, why wouldn't those
Speaker 1: foreign nations want those things to happen. Of course they don't.
Speaker 1: China is in a cold war with US. Forget about
Speaker 1: for the moment, the hot air balloons all over the country,
Speaker 1: buying up, landing around US military basis. Just between the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen unleashing that on the world along with fentanyl,
Speaker 1: you know exactly what they're talking about. And right now
Speaker 1: China is marching. If it takes a thousand years, a
Speaker 1: thousand years, they're going to defeat America. And we're worried
Speaker 1: about the midterms. And right now, an hour or so ago,
Speaker 1: the president head, the leader of El Salvador in the
Speaker 1: office where twist ourselves into a pretzel, worried about an
Speaker 1: MS thirteen gang member put in El Salvadore prisons. And
Speaker 1: according to the lawyer for this Garcia, this MS thirteen
Speaker 1: gang banger, he's in the wrong prison gang and he
Speaker 1: might be treated harshly in Al Salvador by the other
Speaker 1: prison game gang. Unbelievable. And the hundreds of billions of
Speaker 1: dollars in trade Davis's with China. They use that to
Speaker 1: create one belt, one row strategies, basically operating alone in
Speaker 1: the world, and we're supposed to play ball with that
Speaker 1: outfit and what's right, I don't see it. We have
Speaker 1: to treat them the way we treated the USSR between
Speaker 1: what nineteen nineteen forty five or so and nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 1: it took about forty six years. We brought him down economically,
Speaker 1: and the same thing must happen. Now. It's sad, it's sick.
Speaker 1: It's the way things are. But they're not our friends
Speaker 1: and they're never going to be our friends. And we
Speaker 1: have to fight the Chai cooms as we fought the
Speaker 1: USSR in one And I don't think jijial Ping is
Speaker 1: concerned about midterms, concerned about CNN. He's concerned. If it
Speaker 1: takes a thousand years, we're going to win this battle.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more news next. Red's off today, back
Speaker 1: out of Tuesday Wednesday, earlier game on Thursday because of
Speaker 1: seattles in town. Bill Cunningham, the Great American with you
Speaker 1: and all of the great Americans every day on News
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred. That what you all do?
Speaker 6: Oh, Neil Cruz swings the first pitch, slow roller to Ellie.
Speaker 6: He's got it, fires to first in time, and that's it.
Speaker 6: Red's what it to nothing. They blanked the Pirates this
Speaker 6: afternoon here at Great American Ballpark. They sweep the three
Speaker 6: game series, and the Reds are five hundred eight and eight.
Speaker 1: Hello, quiet, I'm broadcasting. You don't believe it or not,
Speaker 1: The Reds are ten percent done with the season. Sixteen games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about ten percent done. Yep. They're eight and eight, won
Speaker 1: five of the last six. And for those who didn't
Speaker 1: have faith like I did a week ago, and Tony
Speaker 1: Pike and Anie and the rest of them, they're done.
Speaker 1: They're done. You know, I said, keep hope alive. Right
Speaker 1: now they're eight and eight eight eight, and everybody's there's
Speaker 1: nothing to play. Nothing.
Speaker 11: Two games out, Francona, get rid of it, after get
Speaker 11: rid of Tin out of here, get rid of them. Yeah,
Speaker 11: I say, Tito's guy questioning Terry, don't even question them.
Speaker 1: Sake yesterday. Oh so Rory McElroy begins, he's gonna win.
Speaker 11: Right, I'm still mentally and physically drained watching that yesterday
Speaker 11: from Butler Cabin.
Speaker 1: Ten off.
Speaker 11: Oh, he's gonna win the whole number one shot table bogie.
Speaker 11: He's gonna lose, but he said that afterwards. That got
Speaker 11: him in the right mind. Then he gets the number
Speaker 11: number nine and he's four up to the back nine
Speaker 11: being going. Then he birdie's ten, right, so he's five up.
Speaker 11: You're thinking, okay, he's gonna win, and unlucky thirteen. Then
Speaker 11: thirteen knocks it in the creek. He's gonna lose.
Speaker 1: And then Justin Rose says, eleven birdies right, and so
Speaker 1: now you come up to fifteen. He's got a shot
Speaker 1: like two hundred and twenty five yards, HiT's a five round,
Speaker 1: hooks it and all, oh, he's gonna win. But then
Speaker 1: he misses the eagle put Okay, he might not win, right,
Speaker 1: And then Justin Rose birdie's eighteen, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, okay, he's gonna lose. Then seventeen he bird
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna win. He's got a wedge in his
Speaker 1: hand on eighteen, hit it on the green in two,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna win. Now he's gonna lose, it said
Speaker 1: the bunker. Gonna lose. Then you go to the tee
Speaker 1: to do it again. I'm thinking okay. And then Justin
Speaker 1: Rhodes hits it fifteen feet from the hole for a birdie. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gonna lose. And then McElroy hits it three feet
Speaker 1: away in Mexic Then he's gonna win. What the hell
Speaker 1: is it? Segment? I don't know, Willie.
Speaker 11: I was physically and mentally drinking after that and watching
Speaker 11: that for the last two and a half hours, exhausted,
Speaker 11: and I wasn't even playing the game. Now, I wasn't
Speaker 11: hitting the golf ball, but I'm thinking, I mean, he's
Speaker 11: win that, goulna win, win, win, He's gonna win.
Speaker 1: Day, He's gonna win. Then he's gonna win.
Speaker 11: And it's like then he goes to a playoff, and
Speaker 11: I'm thinking if he if he loses a playoff, he's
Speaker 11: gonna jump and raise creek.
Speaker 1: He's gonna gargan and float to the Gulf of America
Speaker 1: and he wins to become the sixth player of all time?
Speaker 1: Can you name the other five segment? Will heave?
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Speaker 11: grand slammers Willie Gene sarasn You remember him?
Speaker 1: May I give them to you? Ben Hogan number two
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three, The Black Night, Gary Player, the
Speaker 1: Golden Bear, Jack is back, Tiger unbelievable.
Speaker 11: And what was unbelievable? He did it? What twenty some
Speaker 11: plus years ago? Twenty five years.
Speaker 1: They haven't had one since in the last amazing in
Speaker 1: the last sixty years, they've had two. Not Watson, not Lee, Trevino,
Speaker 1: not Nick Fudo, not Sevy, not your Greg Norman, none
Speaker 1: of the greats ever. But Rory got it done.
Speaker 11: And he was shaky, shall we say, but he did
Speaker 11: what he had to do when he had to do it.
Speaker 11: You're not kidding, I don't know. I mean you play
Speaker 11: the game and everything else. I mean you play for
Speaker 11: five dollars five dollars a week or something, don't you.
Speaker 11: I won like fourteen dollars on Saturday from Tino, from
Speaker 11: a guy named Mike and a guy named Tony. But
Speaker 11: he's going to go to the Masters forever. He won
Speaker 11: four point two million dollars.
Speaker 1: Not bad.
Speaker 11: He gets a trophy, the exact trophy that he was holding.
Speaker 1: He get.
Speaker 11: The thing is the jacket, gets the jacket. He gets
Speaker 11: the jacket, and he's going to be walking around now
Speaker 11: as a Grand Slam winner and a Master's champion.
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't get any better now, he's a
Speaker 1: master of the universe. Oh, as far as living, you have,
Speaker 1: Tiger's alive. Jack's alive, barely, Gary's live, and he's alive.
Speaker 1: In fact, the only ones not with us are Ben
Speaker 1: Hogan and Gene Sarason. Correct. So at some point, I
Speaker 1: mean Jack's not looking good, would you agree? Uh?
Speaker 11: Good, Well, he was looking at the when he when
Speaker 11: he opened the tournament.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 11: I'm as happy he didn't fall over teeing it up.
Speaker 11: Eighty five years old. Now he's the greatest major champion
Speaker 11: of all time. Yes, but Tiger Woods is the greatest
Speaker 11: golfer of all time. There's a difference. Oh, I don't
Speaker 11: know what to tell you, but uh, Roy McElroy yesterday.
Speaker 11: I mean CBS had to get an unbelievable rating for
Speaker 11: that because that was a roll. That was a roller
Speaker 11: coaster of golf more than anything else.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was he was, like you said, he's
Speaker 1: gonna win. He's up four. You know it's gonna cruise
Speaker 1: to the back nine. No, no, no, you're gonna lose.
Speaker 1: He's gonna win. He's gonna lose. This he done, and
Speaker 1: it's like he won. How about Caitlin Clark basketball player
Speaker 1: apologizing for being white. She said, I'm a beneficiary of
Speaker 1: white privilege. I'm telling you give it up, stop it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait that we got the with the w
Speaker 1: NBA drafters. Wait tonight tonight, Oh boy, Willy A Hunter
Speaker 1: Green seven sparkling innings. Yesterday the Reds complete that sweep
Speaker 1: of the Pirates. Get out the broom, Jim Day Green
Speaker 1: was dealing again, struck out eight walked one on two
Speaker 1: hours and three minutes unhittable and the games between two
Speaker 1: hours and two hours twenty. That's what you need, and
Speaker 1: that's what god unless you're playing in the Masters with
Speaker 1: McElroy then and d Shambeau collapsed.
Speaker 11: And how about d Chambeau's saying that Rory never talked
Speaker 11: to him at all. I guess because you live golf
Speaker 11: right live. Yeah, Now what happens if d Chambeau would
Speaker 11: have won? Does that give legitimacy to live golfer. Does
Speaker 11: that lift them up? And you know it's like, hey,
Speaker 11: the live golf guy you know, comes in and he
Speaker 11: won the US Open last year, won the Open. But
Speaker 11: they did not speak, and de Chambeau was kind of asked,
Speaker 11: what did you talk with him? What do they want
Speaker 11: to talk? Where they got to talk about how the
Speaker 11: White Family live, live right, live live versus the PGA,
Speaker 11: the PGA, the Evil Empire beat the upstarts, Green's the
Speaker 11: e r A. Now Willie is a microscopic zero point
Speaker 11: nine to eight. He's allowed one earned run in three
Speaker 11: starts so far. Red's pitching yesterday retired the final twenty
Speaker 11: three they faced not bad pirates stand.
Speaker 1: And they get their team back later this week.
Speaker 11: Stevens think Summer back Santiago Espinal, whether two runs single
Speaker 11: they reads or eight and eight winning five or six?
Speaker 1: What about Stevenson Day all today?
Speaker 11: Homestead continues tomorrow night against the Mariners former Red Luis Castillo,
Speaker 11: The Nick Lodolo.
Speaker 1: Segment Night, jimme out the students report, I have Jason
Speaker 1: Williams coming up. Unless you had some big stuff there.
Speaker 11: Austin Hayes and Matt McClain, Willie are do to be
Speaker 11: reactivated tomorrow, so we'll see what happened. What about Stevenson,
Speaker 11: I don't know yet. He's well, he's catching, he was playing.
Speaker 11: What about McClain was playing shortstop with a catcher's bit.
Speaker 11: The other day they said, what about McClain. McLain should
Speaker 11: be back, he should be reactivated tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Lost hurt his thumb, his hamstring, his knee, his ankle,
Speaker 1: his ear lobe. What's next that I don't know? Say
Speaker 1: give me out of the stude report.
Speaker 11: Willie was on this day, fourteenth of Ape eighteen sixty
Speaker 11: five Lade Lincoln assassinated Ford's Theater by.
Speaker 1: John Wilkes Booth. How about this day with Pete Rose
Speaker 1: nineteen twelve You forgot?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: The Titanic.
Speaker 11: Later tonight, on April the fourth teenth, nineteen twelve, the
Speaker 11: Titanic hits the Iceberg sinks at twenty minutes till at
Speaker 11: midnight Eastern time. Nearer my God to thee and then
Speaker 11: a happy heavenly birthday did the hit King Peter Edward
Speaker 11: Rose four fourteen forty one Bingo and also Willie. We
Speaker 11: say condolences to the Tommy Helms family. Yeah, good man, Tommy.
Speaker 11: Emma's passing away yesterday at eighty three because of him,
Speaker 11: Joe Morgan came to Cincinnati. That's right segment. He was
Speaker 11: in her manager twice twice. Get me out of the
Speaker 11: student's report, will you, and out of a beautiful day
Speaker 11: here in the trist Eate. We leave you with the
Speaker 11: immortal words of the Stewd dripord all.
Speaker 3: I should be with you. Bill, Let's see you later.
Speaker 1: Governor Mike DeWine scheduled to come on later this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. Let's continue, Jason Williams. Of course,
Speaker 1: the Reds are off today, back out of Tuesday, Wednesday
Speaker 1: and Thursday with Seattle. The Mariners are in town. But
Speaker 1: of all, Jason, I listened with interest your interview last
Speaker 1: week with Senator A Blessing of more or less Corane Township,
Speaker 1: one of the three state senators from the Hamleton County
Speaker 1: are not very keen on the Bengals deal at all.
Speaker 1: And then I had on a couple hours ago State Rep.
Speaker 1: Adam Byrd who's the assistant majority floor leader. He is
Speaker 1: at the table with Matt Huffman, the Speaker, and with
Speaker 1: the Governor, and with the State Senate President and long
Speaker 1: in The short of this is, it doesn't appear likely
Speaker 1: unless things change fundamentally. Any money's coming from the state,
Speaker 1: especially out of general revenue money, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: And he laid out the idea that the Browns the
Speaker 1: headlines where the Browns are getting six hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars. Then he laid out what that was, which
Speaker 1: was a bonding authority. He also laid off that the
Speaker 1: vacant land in southern Tyhoe County doesn't exist, generates no
Speaker 1: sales tacks. And now this deal with Jimmy Hanslom, he's
Speaker 1: been working on it for two years with the legislature,
Speaker 1: is going to hold the state harmless of lost money,
Speaker 1: including a fifty million dollar escro is going to grow
Speaker 1: in time. In other words, they said, there's no relationship
Speaker 1: between that deal and simply writing a check to the
Speaker 1: Bengals of the county. Explain why you think this deal
Speaker 1: is a non starter.
Speaker 3: Well, because really what you just said, I mean, this
Speaker 3: is what three hundred and fifty million dollars just to
Speaker 3: just coming ask with your hand out and no strings attached,
Speaker 3: give us three hundred and fifty million dollars to upgrade
Speaker 3: the stadium, and it all sounded really good. And I
Speaker 3: heard the niche Streehouse on with you last week, and
Speaker 3: I give her credit, and she's trying like crazy on this,
Speaker 3: and I think that I think that's a pretty good
Speaker 3: deal idea not deal, idea to one third from the county,
Speaker 3: one third from the state, and one third from the
Speaker 3: Bengals slash NFL slash private side of things. And that
Speaker 3: sounds really neat and it's certainly much better than last
Speaker 3: time around. But I think, you know, really, in reality.
Speaker 1: That's.
Speaker 3: That's not how things are going to go, or at
Speaker 3: least that's not It takes all three, all three parties
Speaker 3: there to be aligned on that one third one third,
Speaker 3: one third, and as of right now, it only sounds
Speaker 3: like the county is interested in doing that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so I'm not sure where it goes from here, Willie,
Speaker 3: I really don't, because you're right. I mean, I had
Speaker 3: Senator Blessing on I was filling in for Eddie and
Speaker 3: Rocky last week, and he's very much aligned with the governor.
Speaker 3: He and I talked in this back at the turn
Speaker 3: of the year. I believe just had a couple of
Speaker 3: conversations behind the scenes just on the phone talking about
Speaker 3: you know, he knew this was coming up this year.
Speaker 1: He knew there was going to be an.
Speaker 3: Ask and his big thing was, you know, let's let's
Speaker 3: figure out a different way to do this. And the governor,
Speaker 3: obviously that has said, yeah, let's look at taxing, you know, sports,
Speaker 3: sports gaming. What's the other tax now, marijuana.
Speaker 1: He wants to increase the marijuana.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And you know, and so almost like you
Speaker 3: know the quote sin tax, you know, you tax, you
Speaker 3: tax kind of things that are on the periphery that
Speaker 3: a lot of people are going to you know, we're
Speaker 3: going to spend money on it, no matter how much
Speaker 3: it costs, And so why not try to get that
Speaker 3: extra money there instead of just taking it out on
Speaker 3: the general public in a in a sales tax it
Speaker 3: certainly it wouldn't be a sales tax from the state,
Speaker 3: but the sales tax a sales tax. Increy, we're already
Speaker 3: we're already taxed to death here in Hamilton County. I
Speaker 3: think we're at the second highest in the state of
Speaker 3: a sales tax, next to Kayahoga County, and we might
Speaker 3: be number one. The last time looked at I think
Speaker 3: we were two an you think you think, all those
Speaker 3: years ago, Willie, how much pride uh uh. You know,
Speaker 3: people who lived in Hamilton County took in the fact,
Speaker 3: oh you know, those other those other urban counties in
Speaker 3: the state are much more expensive to live in than
Speaker 3: ours is. And that's all changed now. And a big
Speaker 3: part of that has been and I'm not blaming at
Speaker 3: all on that, but a big part of that has
Speaker 3: been the stadium tax and has since a sales tax increase.
Speaker 3: It's going to be there forever, and really, Willy, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, that's never going to go away,
Speaker 3: so that that money is always going to be there
Speaker 3: for the Bengals and Reds, and that's where the county's
Speaker 3: coming from.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: No one's saying, let's take this back to the ballot,
Speaker 3: let's change this, let's reduce it to the Bengals, and
Speaker 3: the county always know that that's going to be there
Speaker 3: in perpetuity. And so now they got to figure out
Speaker 3: because it's all about timing, and it's all about you know,
Speaker 3: the Bengals need nearly or want nearly a billion dollars
Speaker 3: worth of upgrades and eight hundred some million to the stadium,
Speaker 3: and so how much time is that going to take
Speaker 3: to get to that point? And then you know, if
Speaker 3: you knock out four hundred million over five years, then
Speaker 3: you're like, well, there's now other issues, and so you know,
Speaker 3: it's just an ongoing thing. And so that's the big
Speaker 3: question is, uh, you know, where's that kind of one
Speaker 3: time chunk of money going to come from? Really, you know,
Speaker 3: they're kind of hammer away at that eight hundred million
Speaker 3: dollars worth of those upgrade that you know, sort of
Speaker 3: in a shorter period of time than over the course
Speaker 3: of a longer lease.
Speaker 1: And when I look at it, when I speak to
Speaker 1: my Republican friends in Columbus, I have pretty good sources there.
Speaker 1: They hate tax increases. They're against tax increases. They don't
Speaker 1: want to go marijuana ten to twenty. They don't want
Speaker 1: to have this so called gambling tax go up. They
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. Hell, these Republicans are against
Speaker 1: tax increases. And over the weekend, viveg Ramaswami and David
Speaker 1: jos both came out against this, and the Governor Dwaine
Speaker 1: has repeatedly said no, he's got the line on in veto,
Speaker 1: which means, uh, you've got to get sixty percent to
Speaker 1: overturn it, and that's not going to happen. And so
Speaker 1: you got ten weeks to get this done completely, which
Speaker 1: is here we are April the fourteenth. Tax day is tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but June thirtieth is the capital budget is done, and
Speaker 1: that's a two year budgeting and so it's got to
Speaker 1: be done by then. And the Bengals can renew the
Speaker 1: lease for two years by sending an email and to
Speaker 1: keep the same terms for two more years. Now we're
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, and a pundit
Speaker 1: one said that the taxpayer who pays most of the
Speaker 1: bills can't afford to go to the games anyway, and
Speaker 1: we're talking about eight to nine games total, and the
Speaker 1: Bengals have to have a come to Jesus meeting with somebody. Well,
Speaker 1: I tell you, I want to get your perspective to
Speaker 1: make sure the same as mine that the big question
Speaker 1: is this, when push comes to shove and the state's
Speaker 1: not going to put in their money, what happens? Jason Williams,
Speaker 1: where's the deal?
Speaker 4: Deal?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 1: Will maybe Katie Blackburn be seen outside of some other
Speaker 1: NFL stadium, a hat in hand, moving the team. What
Speaker 1: happens about minute remaining, what happens then Jason Williams, Well,
Speaker 1: Mike Brown here in Baltimore, Well, what's going to happen?
Speaker 3: So that's a that's an eight hundred million dollar question there.
Speaker 3: That is the question, what is going to happen. I
Speaker 3: do believe the state is gonna the state's gonna come
Speaker 3: up with some money. I don't think it's going to
Speaker 3: be turning a fifty million. There is also a capital
Speaker 3: budget where you know, that's where all these projects come
Speaker 3: hand out and the state rights check, so you know
Speaker 3: there certainly will get some money from that. I don't
Speaker 3: know how much they would get from that. Look, I
Speaker 3: truly believe the Bengals aren't going anywhere, certainly as all
Speaker 3: as long as Mike Brown's in charge, They're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: I could see a day maybe where Katie and Troy
Speaker 3: are the owners of the team, and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: if they were to sell, the team would to go somewhere.
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not not scaring anyone here. I don't
Speaker 3: think they have any intentions of doing that. But that's
Speaker 3: the only that's the only way I really think the
Speaker 3: Bengals are ever going to move. And I think it's
Speaker 3: to be clear too, the Bengals, you know, they're not
Speaker 3: like what Katie said a few weeks ago about that
Speaker 3: they could go in. I think she was literally just
Speaker 3: she was being a lawyer. She was literally just saying,
Speaker 3: this is what you know could happen by the book, right,
Speaker 3: is that they're they're not tied to any another lease
Speaker 3: anything else. There's nothing beneficial yet. I don't think she
Speaker 3: was saying that in the context of like, oh, we're
Speaker 3: threatening to leave or we're looking to leave, and so
Speaker 3: right did I asked some reporters that were there and
Speaker 3: that like the tone that was really the tone that
Speaker 3: they got as well. But it wasn't nearly as hard,
Speaker 3: you know, hard hitting as it kind of red in
Speaker 3: print necessarily.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what happens. But I went to Bengals
Speaker 1: to stay here for the next thirty to forty years.
Speaker 1: But according to the state, the deal must change fundamentally
Speaker 1: and much changed quickly to get it done. But Jason Williams,
Speaker 1: once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Jason,
Speaker 1: You're a great American. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Thank you, my friend.
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