Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Whenever
Speaker 1: there's a case like this, I'm always fascinated by the
Speaker 1: portion of it that has to do with surveillance. You
Speaker 1: have these investigators who sit on these perpetrators and they
Speaker 1: continuously watch them. They're following their movements, They're tracking their movements,
Speaker 1: they're following their phone calls or emails, and all at
Speaker 1: the same time, the suspect is not aware that this
Speaker 1: is even happening. So the people who are involved in
Speaker 1: these surveillance operations are the best of the best when
Speaker 1: it comes to this. And as critical as I am
Speaker 1: of the FBI, and boy do they deserve it, they
Speaker 1: are great when it comes to surveillance and putting together
Speaker 1: cases such as this, And if they would stick to
Speaker 1: this kind of thing, the FBI would be on a
Speaker 1: pathway to rebuilding their credibility because this is where the
Speaker 1: agency excels. This is where the agency has has always
Speaker 1: excelled surveillance, collecting data and then utilizing all of that
Speaker 1: intelligence to not only build a case, but make an arrest.
Speaker 1: And that's what we see in here. And today we
Speaker 1: have an article from Newsweek discussing how surveillance helped catch
Speaker 1: Brian Coburger. So let's dive in headline how police surveillance
Speaker 1: helped catch Idaho murder suspect Brian Coburger. This article was
Speaker 1: authored by Kalida Rockman. Police reportedly surveiled the man accused
Speaker 1: of the November slayings of four University of Idaho students
Speaker 1: as he traveled across the country in Pennsylvania before swooping
Speaker 1: in to make an after dark arrest. So they followed
Speaker 1: him all the way across the country, according to these reports,
Speaker 1: and that must have taken a serious amount of logistics
Speaker 1: to do something like that. It's one thing to follow
Speaker 1: somebody around in town. It's a whole nother ball of
Speaker 1: wax to do that across the country. Brian Cohberger, a
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old PhD student and teaching assistant in
Speaker 1: the Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology at Washington State University,
Speaker 1: was arrested at his parents' home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: on Friday. Authorities in Idaho have said they believe Coburger
Speaker 1: broke into the victim's rental home in Moscow intending to
Speaker 1: commit murder. And once again, you see that's the premeditation there,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to keep pointing that out because the
Speaker 1: robbery charge is for that purpose, to make sure that
Speaker 1: they get that premeditation. Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Xaniker Nodle,
Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin were found stabbed to death on November thirteenth.
Speaker 1: The killings rocked the rural town and the community remained
Speaker 1: on edge as weeks went by without a suspect being arrested.
Speaker 1: And of course the community is going to be on edge.
Speaker 1: No suspect arrested for murdered college student. Nobody knows who
Speaker 1: the suspect is. Yeah, that's the recipe for a people
Speaker 1: being a bit panicked. Police honed in on Coburger as
Speaker 1: a suspect in the slayings through DNA by using public
Speaker 1: genealogy databases. ABC News reported, citing law enforcement sources. According
Speaker 1: to the outlet, local police in the FBI tracked Coburger
Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania through his vehicle, a white Hondai Lantra, the
Speaker 1: same model that the Moscow police said had been seen
Speaker 1: near the home around the time of the killings. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I wonder how they did that. Probably somebody
Speaker 1: put a GPS underneath the car or on the car somewhere,
Speaker 1: and that allowed the police to follow them. I'm not
Speaker 1: really too sure how they'd be able to do this
Speaker 1: across the country without having some sort of GPS device
Speaker 1: implanted in the vehicle. And don't think that they're not
Speaker 1: capable of doing that. They are, especially the Organized Crime
Speaker 1: Task Force, And my guess is they have counter intelligence
Speaker 1: agents working with the FBI who can step in and
Speaker 1: assist here to make sure that this vehicle is tracked
Speaker 1: in the proper manner. Coburger drove some twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: miles across the country with his father in mid December
Speaker 1: to spend the holidays with his family. Jason Lebar, the
Speaker 1: chief public Defender in Monroe County representing Coburger, has said
Speaker 1: at a news conference on Tuesday, Pennsylvania State Police Major
Speaker 1: Christopher Paris said troopers with the agency's Bureau of Criminal
Speaker 1: Investigation were called by the FBI to assist with surveillance
Speaker 1: on Coburger before his arrest. So once they found out
Speaker 1: where he was, they called the local office of the
Speaker 1: FBI the police to come and sit on them and
Speaker 1: wait for them to get the necessary documents, meaning warrants
Speaker 1: and the rest of it to make an arrest. So
Speaker 1: they had them sitting on this house making sure that
Speaker 1: Coburger didn't make a move or try to run or
Speaker 1: go anywhere else, said investigators from Pennsylvania State Police Troop End.
Speaker 1: Then began to collaborate with authorities in Idaho. And that's
Speaker 1: how it'll work, especially with the FBI involved. Forget it.
Speaker 1: The coordination should be on point, and if you want
Speaker 1: to get the attention of agencies elsewhere, having the FBI
Speaker 1: involved will certainly get them moving in the right direction.
Speaker 1: It was through this collaboration and the charges pending in Idaho,
Speaker 1: and those troopers were able to obtain a search warrant
Speaker 1: and a fugitive from Justice warrant that was prepared here
Speaker 1: in Monroe County, Paris said, And that all happens with
Speaker 1: the coordination from Moscow into Paris County. So they would
Speaker 1: call down, they'd send over whatever, you know, charging documents
Speaker 1: or whatever they have, and then the arrest warrant would
Speaker 1: be issued by a judge in Pennsylvania, or i should
Speaker 1: say the search warrant issue, so it would be issued
Speaker 1: by a judge down in Pennsylvania. And you see how
Speaker 1: this all has to be coordinated. It's not just an
Speaker 1: easy thing, right. You have to worry about jurisdiction. You
Speaker 1: have to worry about local rules and laws and ordinances.
Speaker 1: So you have to make sure you're on your shit,
Speaker 1: and it certainly seems like the investigators from Moscow were
Speaker 1: on their game, Paris said. State police then began to
Speaker 1: carry out Coburger's arrest, with the agency's Special Emergency Response
Speaker 1: Team taking the lead. Tactical assets then were staged in
Speaker 1: a Monroe County in the evening of Thursday, December twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: and in the early hours of Friday, December thirtieth, those
Speaker 1: warrants were executed at the location. Paris said. Coburgers warn't
Speaker 1: merited and after dark arrest, Paris said, which requires a
Speaker 1: higher standard of probable cause. And there's no doubt that
Speaker 1: you have to have a higher standard to get this
Speaker 1: kind of search warrant because we've had so many issues
Speaker 1: with this sort of thing recently, especially that the government
Speaker 1: is very cautious about handing this shit out at this point,
Speaker 1: So whenever you see a raid like this, they're thinking
Speaker 1: that the person that they're coming after or going after
Speaker 1: could be a violent person and could cause harm to
Speaker 1: themselves or the officers engaging in the raid. So what
Speaker 1: they'll try and do is catch them unaware in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night where while they're sleeping three am,
Speaker 1: like we saw here at one am. Usually they'll kick
Speaker 1: in your door about six am. But when they want
Speaker 1: to come do something like this, they have to get
Speaker 1: a special dispensation from the judge to make that happen.
Speaker 1: Surveillance was conducted and we wanted to go in at
Speaker 1: a time when we thought it would be safe. Is
Speaker 1: for everybody, he said, safest for anybody else in the house,
Speaker 1: safest for mister Coburger, and safest for our people. And
Speaker 1: you see this a lot with drug dealers as well.
Speaker 1: If they're going to go after a violent drug dealer
Speaker 1: or something like that, they'll make sure it's at like
Speaker 1: one in the morning, two in the morning, three in
Speaker 1: the morning, and then a whole lass tactical team will
Speaker 1: come through your window. The tactical response team reviewed floor
Speaker 1: plans of the home and broke multiple doors and windows
Speaker 1: when they entered. Paris said. Coburger was arrested without incident
Speaker 1: and the scene was turned over to the FBI. He added.
Speaker 1: Andrew McKay, a former FBI Acting director, said Saturday that
Speaker 1: Coburger was on the radar of investigators before he left
Speaker 1: for Pennsylvania. Oh, there's no doubt about that. They just
Speaker 1: didn't have the probable cause. And my guess is when
Speaker 1: they were following him, they picked up the DNA when
Speaker 1: they were following him at some point, that's my guess,
Speaker 1: and then they got that probable cause once they were
Speaker 1: able to match the DNA. But there's no doubt that
Speaker 1: they were on Coburger long before he even left to
Speaker 1: go to Pennsylvania. The surveillance effort would have crossed multiple
Speaker 1: FBI field divisions, McCabe said, would involve multiple surveillance teams
Speaker 1: who were following him in certain areas and handing them
Speaker 1: off to new teams. He said, And I guess it's
Speaker 1: just like in the city. That's how they do it.
Speaker 1: If they're following you in the city, he'll have one
Speaker 1: agent follow you and then they'll get to a certain point,
Speaker 1: they'll bounce off and the next person will pop in.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's what happened here. To keep it
Speaker 1: under wrapped, they just had people switching in and out
Speaker 1: depending on what state Brian Coberger was in. So this
Speaker 1: is all fascinating to me, and it has to be
Speaker 1: a well oiled machine logistically for this to take place.
Speaker 1: And it just goes to show that they were hard
Speaker 1: at work behind the scenes even when we thought that
Speaker 1: maybe there was nothing there. So this investigation was growing
Speaker 1: and growing behind the scenes in Moscow while the public
Speaker 1: and presumably Brian Koberger were none the wiser. So in retrospect,
Speaker 1: when you look back on it, it was a master's
Speaker 1: stroke by the Moscow Police Department. Coburger's family home was
Speaker 1: probably under surveillance before he arrived in mid December, former
Speaker 1: FBI agent Tracy Walter set on News Nations Banfield, I
Speaker 1: am certain that the FBI resident agency that is closest
Speaker 1: to his hometown in Pennsylvania was probably notified and probably
Speaker 1: did some surveillance on his family home prior to Coburger
Speaker 1: getting to his family home, told Ashley Banfield that way
Speaker 1: they can know what they're walking into, have an idea
Speaker 1: of the lay of the land, where they should put
Speaker 1: the surveillance van and all of the tools that they're
Speaker 1: going to need to do surveillance on Brian Coberger. So
Speaker 1: they have to do a bit of pre production before
Speaker 1: all of that happens. Additionally, I think they also watched
Speaker 1: Coburger as well as his activities, and I think from that,
Speaker 1: from surveilling his activities, they were able to really focus
Speaker 1: in on the fact that he was a suspect, especially
Speaker 1: when the lookout came out for the white HOUNDAI and
Speaker 1: he happened to have one. So again the Alantra being
Speaker 1: a big cause of pain and suffering for Brian Cohberger
Speaker 1: and his defense moving forward. Remember it was this Alantra
Speaker 1: that sparked the whole entire basically countrywide investigation for these
Speaker 1: models of vehicle. So Brian Coberger with this vehicle and
Speaker 1: then with his actions after being surveilled, the police, well,
Speaker 1: they thought they had their guy, and after all was
Speaker 1: said and done and the investigation took place, according to them,
Speaker 1: they were on the money. Coburger on Tuesday, agreed to
Speaker 1: be extradited from Pennsylvania to face charges in Idaho. Labar,
Speaker 1: who only represented Coburger over the extradition, has said his
Speaker 1: client was eager to be exonerated. The suspect wants in
Speaker 1: Idaho is to be represented by Kootenay County chief public
Speaker 1: defender and Taylor. Newsweek has contacted her for a comment.
Speaker 1: More details about the case are expected to be released
Speaker 1: when an affidavid is unsealed after Coburger arrives in Idaho. However,
Speaker 1: an Idaho magistrate judge on Tuesday evening issued a so
Speaker 1: called gag order barring attorneys, law enforcement personnel, investigators, and
Speaker 1: others involved in the case from talking publicly about it
Speaker 1: outside of court. Due to this court order, the Moscow
Speaker 1: Police Department will no longer be communicated with the public
Speaker 1: or the media regarding this case, the police department said
Speaker 1: in a news release on Tuesday. So with the gag
Speaker 1: order in place, the Moscow Police Department will no longer
Speaker 1: be doing the updates or anything like that. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it's needed at this point. Their part in
Speaker 1: this is done. They're the ones who got the arrest,
Speaker 1: They did the investigation. Now they hand it off to
Speaker 1: the prosecutors, and now it's the prosecutor's turn to do
Speaker 1: their job and turn this indictment into a conviction. All right, folks,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. If you'd like
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Speaker 1: The link that I discussed can be found in the
Speaker 1: description box. Everyone, and welcome back to the program. As
Speaker 1: investigators continue to look for the white Hondaei Alantra, we're
Speaker 1: hearing a little bit more about what they're doing as
Speaker 1: far as tracking down leads now. According to a report
Speaker 1: from Fox News, investigators have traveled at least twenty four
Speaker 1: miles to collect surveillance video related to these killings. So
Speaker 1: they've been going to areas around Moscow, little town, stuff
Speaker 1: like that, looking for other surveillance video, other evidence of
Speaker 1: what happened here. And that's certainly reassuring. But my question is,
Speaker 1: how did they miss that gas station where the clerk
Speaker 1: came forward to provide information. I would think that something
Speaker 1: like a gas station would be one of the first
Speaker 1: places they would hit trying to get this surveillance. And
Speaker 1: then we hear that they got surveillance from private residence
Speaker 1: right after the day after, So it just makes you
Speaker 1: shake your head. How is it that they missed this
Speaker 1: gas station? But we're looking twenty four miles away. So
Speaker 1: today's ourle is from Fox News headline Idaho murders. Investigators
Speaker 1: traveled at least twenty four miles to collect surveillance video
Speaker 1: related to the killings. Fox News confirmed investigators requested recovered
Speaker 1: surveillance footage from several businesses in and around the Moscow
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Matt Finn and John Ruhle.
Speaker 1: Now it seems like they're relying on these businesses to
Speaker 1: come forward with the surveillance footage. I would think that
Speaker 1: the day of the discovery of the bodies, that they
Speaker 1: would have sent investigators around to these businesses to collect
Speaker 1: all of it right then. But if you're waiting on
Speaker 1: collecting it and it's taking you some time, there's a
Speaker 1: chance that the evidence goes away. Videos get deleted. Surveillance videos,
Speaker 1: you know, they record over themselves, so there's always the
Speaker 1: chance that something is missed if this isn't canvassed right away.
Speaker 1: Fox News has learned investigators traveled at least twenty four
Speaker 1: miles to the east of Moscow, Idaho, to the nearby
Speaker 1: towns of Troy and Kendrick to acquire surveillance video in
Speaker 1: relation to the quadruple homicide of four University of Idaho students,
Speaker 1: and this is the proper thing to do. You don't
Speaker 1: know where these people came from, or where this person
Speaker 1: came from. Did they get gas here in Kendrick, did
Speaker 1: they get gas in Troy? We don't know. And as
Speaker 1: the police continue to scour for evidence for surveillance video,
Speaker 1: hopefully it's going to make that picture come into a
Speaker 1: much more clear view because as of now, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a a needle in a haystack, right, a Hondai alantra.
Speaker 1: As the investigators have already said, they have over twenty
Speaker 1: two thousand registered Hondai lantras that they have to go through.
Speaker 1: What about the ones that aren't registered, what about the
Speaker 1: ones that have been stolen and all the rest of that.
Speaker 1: So it's a pretty large task here. And you would
Speaker 1: think that if it was somebody local, somebody would have
Speaker 1: come forward already and been like, hey, my neighbor Joe Blow,
Speaker 1: he has this exact car and he's been acting goofy.
Speaker 1: But we haven't seen anything like that. So it's one
Speaker 1: of those cases where there's no precedent for this, right,
Speaker 1: there's no Oh, usually this is happening that can go
Speaker 1: right out the window in this case. An employee at
Speaker 1: a gas station in Troy, Idaho, about twelve miles east
Speaker 1: of Moscow on Highway eight tells Fox News investigators asked
Speaker 1: for video, but their property does not have a camera
Speaker 1: facing outside. A manager from the Food City store in Kendrick,
Speaker 1: about twenty four miles east of Moscow, tells Fox News
Speaker 1: investigators asked for a video from cameras on their property. Now,
Speaker 1: I think it's a great thing that they're out doing this,
Speaker 1: But how did they miss the gas station that's only
Speaker 1: a few miles away from this house? How is it
Speaker 1: that that clerk had to go through that surveillance video
Speaker 1: themselves and let the police know. Shouldn't the police have
Speaker 1: just come there and taken that surveillance video. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: missing something here. That manager tells Fox News that on
Speaker 1: November thirtieth, the Idaho State Police requested video ranging from
Speaker 1: November twelfth to November fourteenth, and the business was able
Speaker 1: to digitally provide that surveillance footage. Neither the gas station
Speaker 1: nor the food store indicated they thoroughly look through their
Speaker 1: own video for anything unusual. So wait a minute, hold
Speaker 1: on so this happened on the thirteenth. It took them
Speaker 1: seventeen days to get up there and collect this footage.
Speaker 1: I would think that that would be one of the
Speaker 1: first things you do, go around and say, hey, anyone
Speaker 1: got surveillance here. Fox News also confirms investigators requested surveillance
Speaker 1: video from dozens of businesses within the town of Moscow,
Speaker 1: including a liquor store, a coffee shop, a gym, and
Speaker 1: a gas station. On Tuesday, Fox News Digital obtained to
Speaker 1: still frame from the gas station surveillance video that shows
Speaker 1: a four door white Sedan drive by around three forty
Speaker 1: five am on the morning of the murders. Investigators have
Speaker 1: said that the students were killed between three am and
Speaker 1: four AM. So I'm still stuck on the fact that
Speaker 1: it took them seventeen days to go around and look
Speaker 1: for footage. How much footage has been destroyed by that
Speaker 1: point or recorded over? Thankfully, this food market has some
Speaker 1: kind of digital surveillance. But these smaller stores, convenience stores,
Speaker 1: do you really think that they have the money to
Speaker 1: just store all these videos and keep them forever. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they get rid of them, you know, weekly or
Speaker 1: bi weekly or something like that. At most places, and
Speaker 1: it takes you seventeen days to get out there and canvas.
Speaker 1: On Thursday afternoon, the acting Public Information Officer for Moscow Police,
Speaker 1: Robbie Johnson, told Fox News that investigators are coming through
Speaker 1: information on twenty two thousand, white twenty and eleven through
Speaker 1: twenty and thirteen Hondai, a launtras registered in the Washington
Speaker 1: and Idaho region. Police are asking the public to be
Speaker 1: on the lookout for the Hondai, saying the white car
Speaker 1: was at or near the crime scene on November thirteenth,
Speaker 1: and as of Thursday afternoon, the driver or possible occupants
Speaker 1: have yet to come forward. So my guess is, and
Speaker 1: this is just a guest, remember that whoever was driving
Speaker 1: this Hondi, they know there's an investigation going on, and
Speaker 1: they know that people are looking for them, and if
Speaker 1: they haven't come forward, there's probably a reason why they
Speaker 1: haven't come forward, Because I don't know anyone who doesn't
Speaker 1: know about this case at this point. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess we can say that the driver might not have
Speaker 1: any clue about what's going on, but I think that
Speaker 1: would be a bridge that's pretty far, right, thinking that
Speaker 1: with all of the coverage of this, all of the
Speaker 1: news coverage, especially locally. That's someone who's a local has
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on here. That's a hard sell.
Speaker 1: And if they are local and they have this vehicle
Speaker 1: and they haven't come forward, then we have to ask
Speaker 1: ourselves why haven't they come forward? So I can't get
Speaker 1: rid of the feeling that when all is said and done,
Speaker 1: we're going to find out that this was a stolen vehicle.
Speaker 1: Now again, I can't say that with certainty. It's just
Speaker 1: a hunch that I have. And if this killer was smart,
Speaker 1: they certainly wouldn't be using a car that was registered
Speaker 1: to them, right and with how easy it is to
Speaker 1: steal this model of car, I think it's something that
Speaker 1: has to be explored. And my guess is law enforcement
Speaker 1: is exploring that avenue as we speak. We don't know
Speaker 1: who owns this car. We need information from anybody that
Speaker 1: might connect us with who was in the car that night,
Speaker 1: Johnson told Fox News. So that could be anything ranging
Speaker 1: from somebody who happened to be there to whatever you
Speaker 1: might imagine. Police say the license is unknown, and Johnson
Speaker 1: would not clarify if the license plate could have been removed,
Speaker 1: which is certainly possible as well, if it wasn't a
Speaker 1: stolen car and it's something that you know, it's your
Speaker 1: mode of transportation. At the very least, you'd want to
Speaker 1: take off that license plate if you plan on walking
Speaker 1: into a house and slaughtering four people while they were asleep, right,
Speaker 1: that would make sense. Fox News asked Johnson how many
Speaker 1: miles outside of Moscow police might have traveled to a
Speaker 1: request video surveillance. She would not specify, but said video
Speaker 1: or tips could essentially come from anywhere in the country.
Speaker 1: It's not just one thing that we're looking about looking
Speaker 1: into about the white car. It's many, many different things
Speaker 1: and just taking that further until we get the answers
Speaker 1: we need or find it is not taking us anywhere,
Speaker 1: Johnson said, So they're all over it. And from that
Speaker 1: statement by Robbie Johnson, it would lead me to believe
Speaker 1: that the police don't have all of their eggs in
Speaker 1: one basket. Thinking that this vehicle is still in the
Speaker 1: direct region of Moscow, and with her saying that forget it,
Speaker 1: who knows where the hell of the Lantra is. I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point, you would think that whoever was in
Speaker 1: possession of it, if they were involved in this crime,
Speaker 1: has gotten rid of the vehicle by this point, burned it,
Speaker 1: left it in the desert. Whatever. But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: be driving around in this Honda Alantra and you're involved
Speaker 1: in these crimes, your time is short. Eventually you're gonna
Speaker 1: get caught. If you're in the same vehicle that was
Speaker 1: used at the crime scene, oh yeah, your time is
Speaker 1: not long. Now. The question is, is the perpetrator or
Speaker 1: perpetrators still in possession of this vehicle. If they're smart,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be. But who knows what we're dealing with here. Again,
Speaker 1: we have no idea what really happened that night, besides
Speaker 1: some of the basics that have been released by the investigators,
Speaker 1: and besides that, it's just all speculation and theory. So
Speaker 1: until they find this white Hondai Alantra or announce another
Speaker 1: break in the case, it would seem that the white
Speaker 1: Hondai a Lantra and the people who are driving it
Speaker 1: are the focus of the investigation. All right, folks, that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for this one. If you'd like to
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Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description What's up everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. As we continue to
Speaker 1: inch ever closer to the start of the Brian Kolberger trial,
Speaker 1: we are learning more and more every day about the
Speaker 1: investigation into Brian Coldberger and the case that was built
Speaker 1: against him after he became the target of the investigation.
Speaker 1: And according to Dayline, they have new video of Brian
Speaker 1: Colberger's alleged car circling around the victims home multiple times
Speaker 1: and then it sped away thirteen minutes later. So this
Speaker 1: is footage that hadn't been seen before by the public
Speaker 1: but now is being released. But the video certainly offers
Speaker 1: corroboration for what the authorities have told us from the
Speaker 1: very beginning about this vehicle and its proximity to the
Speaker 1: crime scene. So today we have an article from NBC
Speaker 1: News talking about this a little bit more headline new
Speaker 1: video shows car resembling Brian Colberger's driving around the time
Speaker 1: of Idaho student murders. The video obtained by Dateline is
Speaker 1: among the evidence that investigators believe traces movements around the
Speaker 1: time for University of Idaho's students were killed. This article
Speaker 1: was authored by Shane Bishop, Adam Gorfain, and Eric Ortiz.
Speaker 1: In the early morning hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: when four University of Idaho students would be stabbed to
Speaker 1: death in an off campus house as some of them slept,
Speaker 1: a neighbour's home security video captured the same white car
Speaker 1: circling the block multiple times. The vehicle approached the house
Speaker 1: again and again before speeding away thirteen minutes later. The
Speaker 1: previously unseen footage obtained by Dayline offers another angle into
Speaker 1: the turbulent events at the time prosecutors believe the students
Speaker 1: were murdered. And when it comes to Brian Coolberger, I
Speaker 1: think he's cooked because the preponderance of evidence that's been
Speaker 1: collected against him. We're not talking about just one piece
Speaker 1: of evidence here. We're talking about a lot of evidence.
Speaker 1: And when you put it all together, that circumstantial evidence,
Speaker 1: that's how you build a case. Now, if they didn't
Speaker 1: have that DNA, if that DNA on the sheath did
Speaker 1: not exist, then I'd be much more willing to say
Speaker 1: that the prosecutors might have it wrong, but according to
Speaker 1: all the evidence that we've seen here, according to everything
Speaker 1: that we know, it sure looks like they have the
Speaker 1: right guy. To me, the question is are they going
Speaker 1: to be able to prove it? Photos and digital materials
Speaker 1: are included in a two hour special airing Friday, tracing
Speaker 1: suspect Brian Kolberger's movements and online habits before and after
Speaker 1: the killings that stunned the small community of Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 1: I think it stunned everybody. Not very often you wake
Speaker 1: up to hear about four college kids or kids in
Speaker 1: general who have been brutally murdered while they slept. Not
Speaker 1: exactly the kind of news that you're expecting, right, And
Speaker 1: considering the amount of people that have been to college,
Speaker 1: the amount of people that have kids in school, a
Speaker 1: lot of people could relate to what was going on,
Speaker 1: and of course that led to all the attention we
Speaker 1: see here when it comes to Brian Colberger and the
Speaker 1: murders in Moscow. Investigators referred to a white Hondai a
Speaker 1: Lantra believed to be from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: as a critical clue as they solicited the public's help
Speaker 1: in finding a suspect. It also remains one of several
Speaker 1: key pieces of evidence, including DNA and cell phone data,
Speaker 1: that prosecutors say ties Colburger to the crime scene. Colburger
Speaker 1: drove a White twosand and fifteen a Lantra cell phone.
Speaker 1: Tower data and phone records also obtained by Dateline indicate
Speaker 1: that an FBI cell phone experts at Colburger's phone connected
Speaker 1: to a cell tower providing coverage within one hundred meters
Speaker 1: of the rental house at eleven twenty two King Rhode.
Speaker 1: It connected twenty three visits over a four month period,
Speaker 1: all after dark. One visit was just six days before
Speaker 1: the killings. Now explain that I know there's people out
Speaker 1: there that want to say Colburger's innocent, but come on,
Speaker 1: what was he doing here? He has no connection to
Speaker 1: these girls, no connection to this house, but he's out
Speaker 1: here a lurking. And then flip the script and fast
Speaker 1: forward to today, knowing everything we know about these murders
Speaker 1: and what we know now about Colburger, and it's very
Speaker 1: apparent that the state has a very very strong case.
Speaker 1: And I think that Colburger's only chance is that some
Speaker 1: sort of prosecutorial misconduct occurs and it leads to him
Speaker 1: getting off. But short of that, I don't see how
Speaker 1: Colberger is gonna find himself an off ramp here and
Speaker 1: find a way to beat the charges. It is just
Speaker 1: not likely. And it's kind of like the situation with
Speaker 1: Alec Murdau. Once we had that digital footage, and that
Speaker 1: digital footage showed what it showed, there was no way
Speaker 1: that Alec Murdall was beating those charges. And I remember
Speaker 1: if people talking like Alec Murdall was innocent, and it's
Speaker 1: the same usual suspects who talk about people like Coburger
Speaker 1: like he's innocent. Look, there's a cottage industry of people
Speaker 1: out there who have no integrity and don't care about
Speaker 1: the facts. All they care abouts clicks and driving traffic
Speaker 1: to their website or their content. But I find that
Speaker 1: to be disgusting. Honestly, facts matter. We're not talking about
Speaker 1: make believe things here. We're talking about real people, real murders,
Speaker 1: and real families that are suffering in the wake of
Speaker 1: all of it. Meanwhile, phone data from Coburger's phone and
Speaker 1: in the possession of law enforcement include Internet searches in
Speaker 1: the weeks before and after killings on serial killer Ted
Speaker 1: Bundy and searches for pornography with the words forced, passed out, drugged,
Speaker 1: and sleeping. Hell of a guy that, Brian Coberger. Now, look,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make him a murderer, right, but what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Bro? Pornography with the words forced, passed out,
Speaker 1: drugged and sleeping. What do you diddy? Coburger, who at
Speaker 1: the time was a graduate student in criminology at nearby
Speaker 1: Washington State University, was eventually arrested in late December twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two while he was back at home at his
Speaker 1: family's house in Pennsylvania. A judge entered a not guilty
Speaker 1: plea on his behalf in May of twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: on four counts, the first murder and one count of burglary.
Speaker 1: Defense lawyers have said Colburger maintains his innocence, and during
Speaker 1: a court hearing in Boise last month, they tease the
Speaker 1: possibility of an alternate suspect. Oh yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait for this. Unlike the situation with Karen Reid,
Speaker 1: there wasn't a botched investigation here, so there's no basis
Speaker 1: for any of that bullshit and I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: right now, if people start in on it, we're gonna
Speaker 1: hammer the fuck out of them on this podcast because
Speaker 1: I've had my fill of grifters and carnival barkers that
Speaker 1: don't know the first thing about the first thing who
Speaker 1: are out here talking all kinds of nonsense. Enough is
Speaker 1: enough already, because as far as the evidence goes, there
Speaker 1: hasn't been one single hint of an alternate suspect, not once.
Speaker 1: Maybe the suspect the alternate suspect was with Brian Colberger
Speaker 1: when they were doing some stargazing. Judge Stephen Hipler said
Speaker 1: the defense must present any such evidence by this month
Speaker 1: ahead of Coburger's murder trial, plan to start August eleventh. Coburger, thirty,
Speaker 1: could face the death penalty if convicted. Leyta County prosecutors
Speaker 1: have not detailed a motive for the attack, and a
Speaker 1: gag order prevents many involved in the case from speaking publicly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we don't know the motive yet, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: We haven't had any sort of hint at what the
Speaker 1: motive could be. Now. I've said from the beginning that
Speaker 1: I think Coburger ran into Maddie at the mad Greek,
Speaker 1: But that's just speculation. We have no idea as far
Speaker 1: as what the official story is now. We're going to
Speaker 1: learn that as things get closer, but as of now,
Speaker 1: it's just speculating one way or the other. Coburger's lawyers
Speaker 1: have said in court filings that Colberger takes drives alone
Speaker 1: late at night, often hiking or stargazing, and contend cell
Speaker 1: phone data shows he was not near the crime scene
Speaker 1: when the killings occurred. He had his cell phone off.
Speaker 1: How do we know anything about the data at that point?
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy. They try and spin these fairy tales,
Speaker 1: and they try and spin this narrative and it works
Speaker 1: on some people, but those are the people who haven't
Speaker 1: read the core documents. And I know I've said it before,
Speaker 1: but I'll say it again because it's worth saying. If
Speaker 1: you want the truth, you have to dive into the
Speaker 1: core documents and spend the time going through it. And
Speaker 1: if you don't, you're not really going to know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. You're going to have no context. You're
Speaker 1: going to go off half cocked, half baked, and your
Speaker 1: opinion is going to make you look like an absolute moron.
Speaker 1: But there's some folks out there that can't be bothered
Speaker 1: to put in the time and look at the core
Speaker 1: documents and look at the facts. Instead, they want to
Speaker 1: pitch all kinds of bs. How Coburger may have known
Speaker 1: any of the victims housemates Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalvez is
Speaker 1: not a Kernodle, as well as Colono Odle's boyfriend Ethan
Speaker 1: Chapin is unclearer. In June of twenty twenty two, Coburger
Speaker 1: moved to Pullman, Washington, to study at Washington State University,
Speaker 1: about eight miles west of Moscow. Ten days after moving in,
Speaker 1: he was invited to a pool party in Moscow, where
Speaker 1: attendees told Dateline they had awkward interactions with Coburger. One
Speaker 1: former female graduate student said Coburger put his number in
Speaker 1: her phone and then texted her the next day mentioning
Speaker 1: how they chatted about hiking. The text read in part,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that activity, so please let me know.
Speaker 1: The wording of the text, as I look back on
Speaker 1: it is kind of peculiar. The woman said. It was
Speaker 1: almost overly formal. Well, that could be explained by Brian
Speaker 1: Colberger just being awkward, and I'm not somebody that takes
Speaker 1: too much away from that. His interactions with other people
Speaker 1: kind of give us an idea that he's awkward, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't make him a murderer. When the false semester began, Colberger,
Speaker 1: who also served as a teaching assistant, had other interactions
Speaker 1: that stuck out to fellow classmates and teachers, some of
Speaker 1: whom made complaints that led to the dean to discuss
Speaker 1: his professional behavior. And the whole entire mythology of Brian
Speaker 1: Kolberger being in oh shucks, kind of awkward dude is
Speaker 1: unraveling before your eyes. This dude wasn't just awkward. He
Speaker 1: was straight up weird and not just that, but he
Speaker 1: was also creepy, according to a lot of people who
Speaker 1: knew him. But again, that doesn't mean he's responsible for
Speaker 1: murdering for people. Prosecutors say DNA was discovered on a
Speaker 1: knife sheath located on a bed next to Mogan's body,
Speaker 1: and testing found it to be a statistical match to Coburger's.
Speaker 1: Investigators had used genetic genealogy to identify a source and
Speaker 1: then pull trash outside of the Coburger family home in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Prosecutors also contend Colburger purchased a k bar knife from
Speaker 1: Amazon eight months before the murders on March twentieth, and
Speaker 1: that was the same type of sheath that comes with
Speaker 1: the k bar found in the victim's home. Defense lawyers
Speaker 1: have said during core proceedings that there are other unidentified
Speaker 1: male DNA samples at the crime scene, suggesting the possibility
Speaker 1: of other suspects. In recent weeks, prosecutors and the defense
Speaker 1: have argued over what should be admissible at Colburger's trial,
Speaker 1: including nine one one calls and text messages shared by
Speaker 1: two housemates who were home at the time of the
Speaker 1: killings but were physically unharmed. And you can say whatever
Speaker 1: you want about this DNA of unidentified males, but if
Speaker 1: there was something there, a Coberger's team would have sunk
Speaker 1: their teeth in already. So my guess is it's a
Speaker 1: big nothing burger, just like all the other alleged allegations
Speaker 1: that have been made by Colberger and his team. Hipler
Speaker 1: last month also said he would allow the surviving roommate
Speaker 1: to testify that she saw a masked intruder with bushy
Speaker 1: eyebrows inside the home. The defense sought to have that
Speaker 1: description Bard, arguing that it would result in unfair prejudice
Speaker 1: towards Colberger, and of course Judge Hipler decided that that
Speaker 1: was up to the jury to decide, not up to
Speaker 1: him or to the defense. So it's going to be
Speaker 1: real interesting to watch this Dayline on Friday and see
Speaker 1: what sort of new video they have and see what
Speaker 1: it adds as far as context to what we already know.
Speaker 1: And I think that the picture that's being painted is
Speaker 1: one that is less than favorable for Brian Colberger. All
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