Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was or
Speaker 1: was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through
Speaker 1: the window now and I don't see anything. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go outside, Jesus, Quice, you better hello, hit
Speaker 1: somebody out here? What quin I'm out there? It's thought
Speaker 1: of a bitch about tech forty nine. I don't know
Speaker 1: easy out there. Yeah, I'm bulking right.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is not what you normally hear on this show.
Speaker 2: If you're a longtime listener, you already know the lane.
Speaker 2: We usually stay in, boots on the ground, Woods Encounters Sasquatch,
Speaker 2: real people telling real stories about something that still refuses
Speaker 2: to fit neatly into a box. But today, today we're
Speaker 2: stepping sideways. As most of you know, I don't get
Speaker 2: into what a guest is going to talk about until
Speaker 2: we actually sit down and hit record. I don't prescript it,
Speaker 2: I don't steer it. I let the conversation breathe. I
Speaker 2: let it go where it goes, and sometimes it goes
Speaker 2: places you don't expect, because this episode isn't about footprints
Speaker 2: in the mud. It's not about tree breaks or wood knocks.
Speaker 2: It's about the sky winged cryptids, creatures that shouldn't exist,
Speaker 2: creatures that, according to history when extinct millions of years ago,
Speaker 2: Ramphorhinkus pterosaurs. Yeah those now, before you roll your eyes,
Speaker 2: before you say, Brian, come on, man, hear me out.
Speaker 2: What happens when multiple people across different locations, different decades,
Speaker 2: different backgrounds describe the same impossible thing. What happens when
Speaker 2: those descriptions line up just a little too well? And
Speaker 2: what happens when those sightings don't live in myth but
Speaker 2: in modern airspace. You know, I will always be real
Speaker 2: with you. This episode challenged me, it surprised me, and
Speaker 2: at more than one point it made me stop and
Speaker 2: just sit there in silence. Because whether you believe in
Speaker 2: winged cryptids or not isn't really the point. The point
Speaker 2: is this people are seeing something and whatever that something is,
Speaker 2: it doesn't care what we think is possible. So tonight
Speaker 2: we're opening the door. Just a crack, no climbs, no conclusions,
Speaker 2: just a conversation about wings, about shadows overhead, and about
Speaker 2: the uncomfortable question we don't ask nearly enough what if
Speaker 2: we're still not seeing the whole picture? All right, folks
Speaker 2: want to welcome my guest to the show. It is
Speaker 2: Jacob from Oregon. Welcome to the show, sir.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. Bryan, it's pleasure
Speaker 3: to be on your show.
Speaker 2: I have been looking forward to this conversation. Let's jump
Speaker 2: right into it. What in the world got you interested
Speaker 2: in the subject of sasquatch?
Speaker 3: To begin with, Wow, this actually goes back to nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty five. I was just a young li with that.
Speaker 3: But it actually wasn't the sasquatch that drove me. It
Speaker 3: was this whole sor blotting at the Congo of Africa
Speaker 3: that piqued my interest. And when I first embarked on
Speaker 3: Matt with Roy mackel Lucien below, all these different people
Speaker 3: went out and investigated this area. That drove me closer to
Speaker 3: the field. And as I looked into the field, then
Speaker 3: that's when you had the Sasquatch, all these amazing things
Speaker 3: that just tied up. A light bulb went off and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, what can I do to be involved?
Speaker 3: Of course, there's schooling everything, and I went through that,
Speaker 3: decided to do some schooling and got that out of
Speaker 3: the way, and then embarked on what I thought would
Speaker 3: be a fun adventure for me later on, and it's
Speaker 3: sure enough, it became very exciting and it took me
Speaker 3: to new horizon. But some of the practices I had before,
Speaker 3: I either working with Salem Pde as an investigator, working
Speaker 3: as a translator, that brought me closer to understanding how
Speaker 3: eyewitness testimony works. And so it wasn't until nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: two thousand and two thousand and one ish when I
Speaker 3: started working for the organis State legislature, and a lot
Speaker 3: to w are like, what does politics have to do
Speaker 3: with this field? By absolutely nothing, But however, you could
Speaker 3: meet some great people in this work. So as those
Speaker 3: years went by leading up to it, people started to
Speaker 3: realize who I was, my likes, my dislikes working for
Speaker 3: politics for about eleven years, closer to people who said, hey,
Speaker 3: look guy, I know a family in Washington State who
Speaker 3: was seeing something on their proffrey. I think you might
Speaker 3: be interested in seeing that. And I said, tell you
Speaker 3: what it is? Do you need to talk to that
Speaker 3: find out what it is? So when the session ended,
Speaker 3: I decided to investigate it. But then my dad became
Speaker 3: very ill, so I didn't get the opportunity. So later
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one special session I met up
Speaker 3: with the individual again. He said, did you go talk
Speaker 3: to the family essac? I didn't. My dad was ill.
Speaker 3: Do you need to go? You got to go out there.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, fine, I'll do it. So when this
Speaker 3: session ended, he gave me the directions. I went out
Speaker 3: to the talk to the valley, a remote place out
Speaker 3: there in the Yakama forst in Washington State, and to
Speaker 3: my shock, she described a flying creature. I was expecting
Speaker 3: something else, but she described a flying creature because just
Speaker 3: her and her son out there, they're isolated, but that's
Speaker 3: the way they like it. There are neighbors, but their
Speaker 3: scat dense area. There are some people, but you're looking
Speaker 3: at a good distance between each other, so if you
Speaker 3: had to run for help, you're gonna have a bit
Speaker 3: of a struggle there. I remember going to a property
Speaker 3: talking with her in her side, and she kept telling
Speaker 3: me this thing. Floods said, Okay, what kind of bird
Speaker 3: is it? She said, I don't think it's a bird.
Speaker 3: It's got smooth skin, so it has smooth skin. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, does a bird fly without feather? She said, totally,
Speaker 3: it's not a bird. But that's what you do. You
Speaker 3: try to see if you can trip them up, and
Speaker 3: maybe they'll stumble, and maybe they're just making this whole
Speaker 3: thing up. As I listen to her over and over,
Speaker 3: she was out of it. This thing was big, smooth skin,
Speaker 3: long tail skin that was blackish or purple, and you
Speaker 3: could clearly see veins in its wings. I said, tail, Okay,
Speaker 3: something goes off in your head about Okay, if it's
Speaker 3: a tail, then it's gonna have feathers, right, No, it's
Speaker 3: a long twenty tail. And this thing had been killing
Speaker 3: her family pets, either cats or dogs whatever she was
Speaker 3: keeping on property. And I'm actually surprised she had certain
Speaker 3: investigated animals on that property. Some people do that for protection.
Speaker 3: So as I chat with her some more, and I
Speaker 3: found out that what she was describing was prehistoric in
Speaker 3: a sense, So just for chicks, I would out a
Speaker 3: few books at her, look at some pictures. Finally we
Speaker 3: got to an image of one and she said that's
Speaker 3: it and I said, less a ramp rinkots. She says,
Speaker 3: what's that? This is a dinosaur bird And she said
Speaker 3: that's what I saw, and that she drew me her
Speaker 3: own version of it too. This blew me away, absolutely
Speaker 3: blew me away, because we have a person here who
Speaker 3: is sincere, very honest and very scared. This is what
Speaker 3: they're seeing. All these things started to go off my
Speaker 3: mind about, Okay, who did you contact? What kind of
Speaker 3: authority is out there that you alerted to all of this?
Speaker 3: Did you talk to a fish and game rangers? And
Speaker 3: she did, but who was going to believe her? As
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, they would actually smirk at hers.
Speaker 3: They would actually say, maybe you should talk to someone
Speaker 3: about this, like maybe a shrink or what I've read.
Speaker 3: Imagine how she felt with that situation. This is a
Speaker 3: person who's trying to convey this to them, saying, this
Speaker 3: is an amazing creature that I'm seeing and it's dangerous.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do about it? Nothing? Because it
Speaker 3: shouldn't exist. Bottom line. From that point on, I was
Speaker 3: hooked off this well. I wouldn't let it go one person,
Speaker 3: one testimony, and from that point on, I kept saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: is there anybody else out there? And I couldn't find anyone.
Speaker 3: So the years went by and I kept a close
Speaker 3: interest in this, and I started to realize there were
Speaker 3: others who had been discovering this for themselves, such as
Speaker 3: Ken Gearhart, Gareth Gaspin, Dave Whatsell, Bill Gibbons, amazing guy,
Speaker 3: consider patriarchs of this field. And I started seeing their reports.
Speaker 3: I'm like, something's going on here. There is a profound
Speaker 3: phenomena involving this creature. But is it just one type
Speaker 3: or are there more variations of it? To my shock,
Speaker 3: there were websites devoted to it as well, Living Pterosaurus
Speaker 3: dot com other places, and I realized I wasn't alone,
Speaker 3: that there's something happening here that is worthy of research,
Speaker 3: and no one is taking an interest in us. If
Speaker 3: you think about this, Brian, there may be only five
Speaker 3: of us who are truly devoted to this creature, and
Speaker 3: as I researched it more than the eyewitness TESTI when
Speaker 3: I started more because it was one person saying, that's
Speaker 3: why I saw it. Man different walks of life, doctors, lawyers, soldiers,
Speaker 3: women and men who have served. What reason do they
Speaker 3: have to make something like this up. There's no reason
Speaker 3: for it at all. I realized this is bigger than me,
Speaker 3: and I need to do something. So in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: after gathering as much data as I could, investigating areas
Speaker 3: as much as I could, I decided to embark on
Speaker 3: the social media platform. I've been an investigator for a
Speaker 3: little over twenty five years now. However, social media has
Speaker 3: really pushed us forward on our endeavors. So I started
Speaker 3: to form a company called the Ropin Network. Robin devoted
Speaker 3: to living pterodactyls, which most Clark not familiar the word terrorism.
Speaker 3: So I decided to call it this because there's a
Speaker 3: large amount of course of these creatures in other continents
Speaker 3: but the world. And ever since I did that, things
Speaker 3: have just exploded for me and for the company I
Speaker 3: work with, who really what I'm doing. They've watched my debvors.
Speaker 3: We've made something very profound and beautiful here where people
Speaker 3: can come, they can listen and share their testimony, because
Speaker 3: who else is really out there promoting the pterosaur phenomenon,
Speaker 3: no what. As a matter of fact, the name tarosaur
Speaker 3: goes over people's hinds. Brian. Most people think terodactyl when
Speaker 3: they hear tarosaur. It isn't compete. Terodactyl is a universal work.
Speaker 3: Tarosaur is not a universal word, but it is the
Speaker 3: name for a creature that lives in pop New Gina
Speaker 3: that they have seen over and over again. So I
Speaker 3: decided to use that. And here I am, after all
Speaker 3: these years, all this research, all these amazing testimonies, this
Speaker 3: is where I bulow. This was my calling out. I
Speaker 3: made a run of it. I'm just glad to be
Speaker 3: able to be a voice for everybody else. And like you,
Speaker 3: it's not about me, it's about them, and they're the
Speaker 3: important person that helps smit this field what it is.
Speaker 2: Let's get into some of your personal experiences, because you
Speaker 2: have had your own experiences. Why don't you just start
Speaker 2: with the first one. Take us back to where you were,
Speaker 2: what you were doing, and tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 3: Sure this went back to twenty twenty, I decided to
Speaker 3: investigate the Yakama River in Washington State. Why Washington of
Speaker 3: all places, really, but then to get wide up to
Speaker 3: the northwest. There's a lot of Sasquatch sightings here in
Speaker 3: Oregon to begin with a lot, So why this. There's
Speaker 3: the experiences people were happening along that river system just
Speaker 3: piqued by interest. So in twenty twenty July, me and
Speaker 3: my young apprentice went out there just to get an
Speaker 3: idea a lay of the land. And the Yakama River
Speaker 3: is over two hundred miles long and there are over
Speaker 3: forty variations of fish in this river system all times.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful out there, but it feels also like another
Speaker 3: place in time. If you look at an old dinosaur book,
Speaker 3: those images are true to the landscape of Washington State. Now,
Speaker 3: I know it's also a wine country, but the hills,
Speaker 3: there's something unique about this place, very mysterious. But anyway,
Speaker 3: in July we would have we set up cameras get
Speaker 3: an idea of this landscape. We saw lots of avians
Speaker 3: just feeding on the river system, just plucking the fish,
Speaker 3: carrying them away the dutiful there's a night jars, there's
Speaker 3: a hawks, there's a couple eagles that are out there
Speaker 3: as well, different currents. So we stayed for a couple
Speaker 3: of nights. On the first night is when things really
Speaker 3: started to change. It is pitch black. There is no
Speaker 3: moon to light the area, so all you have is
Speaker 3: your night vision and your equipment and patience. So we're
Speaker 3: out there. Eventually you're getting attacked by the insects thre
Speaker 3: in the area, and these bucks are really big and
Speaker 3: they're leaving huge welts on you. If you're not prepared
Speaker 3: properly with a net suit, they will eat you alive.
Speaker 3: So about one am we decided to train its some breast,
Speaker 3: so we drove over to Horn Rapids Park park there,
Speaker 3: but even then the insects were in the vehicle too,
Speaker 3: and they were still getting at us. My good isn't
Speaker 3: going to work. We're gonna have to go back to
Speaker 3: base and we're gonna have to get more supplies and
Speaker 3: come back, which is a doubter when you're investigating something.
Speaker 3: It's frustrating, but we had to. So we drove through
Speaker 3: Weber Canyon about round two am. Webber Canyon is isolating
Speaker 3: and for anyone who's ever been there, ever known about this,
Speaker 3: you'll understand what I'm talking about if he ever drives
Speaker 3: in this area. This is around two am. We're driving
Speaker 3: through the moonroof is open. It's very quiet, and I'm
Speaker 3: going twenty miles an hour because i can't see squat.
Speaker 3: Even though there's a road there and there's lots of
Speaker 3: hills and I have good lighting, it still isn't that great,
Speaker 3: so I'm going slower. And that's when I felt something
Speaker 3: go over the vehicle, just hover above, and then I
Speaker 3: heard this thing emit a sound that just blew me away,
Speaker 3: and it made the hairs on the back of my
Speaker 3: neck stand up, and it just passed overhead. But this
Speaker 3: felt large because I could feel it, I could feel
Speaker 3: its presence, a sound that it made. Just bloom me away.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 4: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Some people would say, Brian, Okay, that's just probably a
Speaker 3: different kind of bird, like a heron, because they're nocturnal.
Speaker 3: Yes they are. I study avians for six years. I
Speaker 3: know herons, I know Krantz. I've seen them. I seen
Speaker 3: them at night and they fly away. They tell it's
Speaker 3: a bird. Feathers clearedy Okay, they are big when they fly.
Speaker 3: This was not it. I know the sounds that creans make,
Speaker 3: herons make a lot of different sounds like birds make.
Speaker 3: I cannot find this sound at all. I've taken this
Speaker 3: to those who have had more experience in the avian
Speaker 3: wildlife and they said that doesn't ring a bell at all.
Speaker 3: And they're saying it's four and it's unknown, And I
Speaker 3: agree because whatever this thing was, it was big, and
Speaker 3: the sound that it may it was not caught. It
Speaker 3: is exotic, and it has stay etched in my memory
Speaker 3: all this time. So with the reports I've been hearing
Speaker 3: from Washington State from what I found when I went
Speaker 3: out there, it was enough to make me say something
Speaker 3: is here, especially at these times of the day, of
Speaker 3: this early morning hours, because if these creatures are nocturnal
Speaker 3: like a bat, they're gonna feed early and they're gonna
Speaker 3: feed late. There are reports of night jars being attacked,
Speaker 3: popping sound when they eat them. Fam Most of these
Speaker 3: wildlife avian types will scatter from the area at a
Speaker 3: certain time of the night because they know how to
Speaker 3: prepare for what's caught. And whatever these things are, there's
Speaker 3: different variants whatever terrorisaur I believe them to be. They're
Speaker 3: coming at certain times and that wildlife is scaped because
Speaker 3: they know this is too much of a match for them.
Speaker 3: That was one experience I had, So I took these
Speaker 3: reports back to my comrades. And there's as likely that
Speaker 3: you probably encomfort one of these things, because if you
Speaker 3: heard it, you felt it, even at that speed you're
Speaker 3: going at. Yes, it's very possible, very likely, depending on
Speaker 3: the size of this thing too. The reports are the same.
Speaker 3: By luminescence, these things can glow. They are perched on
Speaker 3: the trees. One eyewitness confirm this when he saw it
Speaker 3: in October. I think it was twenty fifteen. I could
Speaker 3: be wrong, could have been sooner than that. But he
Speaker 3: was driving through the yakimah Rimor in the same location
Speaker 3: I was set up a base and as he was approaching,
Speaker 3: this creature was on the side of him, the side
Speaker 3: of his truck perched in the tree. And I first
Speaker 3: kept looking at him, like, this's a very unique looking bird,
Speaker 3: what is that? And then the turrets had looked at him.
Speaker 3: Then he realized he saw the headcrest, the lungs, beak,
Speaker 3: and realized that's not a bird, and they could see
Speaker 3: clearly the rest of his mind start of seeing the skin,
Speaker 3: the brown skin, the leathery wings, the smooth skip. What
Speaker 3: he probably came across was by flepling, which is termed
Speaker 3: for young pterosaur or pterodactyl, because it was probably not
Speaker 3: as huge as some of the other ones that it
Speaker 3: was pershing in this particular tree. But he saw that
Speaker 3: in am hours again feeding early, feeding a late, so
Speaker 3: that only helps solidify what's out there in the Yakama River.
Speaker 3: That's not really where it ended for me, though. I
Speaker 3: kept getting more reports and I kept having more sightings
Speaker 3: of this ability that they have. In October of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four here along where I live, my eyes are
Speaker 3: always peeled to the sky, and I always tell everyone
Speaker 3: you should be looking up, you should be examining the
Speaker 3: sky wherever you are. You never know, and you could
Speaker 3: see something out of the door and not seeing objects
Speaker 3: that are more on the lines of uphology. People have
Speaker 3: seen a lot of that as it is. This was
Speaker 3: very unique, though. This thing was coming down the horizon
Speaker 3: straight across and at first I thought, hey, look it's
Speaker 3: a shooting star, and I paused, and it was excited,
Speaker 3: but then it put on the brakes and then it
Speaker 3: was gone, and it left a plaska trail. The first
Speaker 3: thing that went to my head was, or others could think,
Speaker 3: is that sounds reminiscent of a mythological creature called the phoenix,
Speaker 3: where it leaves those sparks behind. But through the research
Speaker 3: over the years, we're finding that these creatures are biable
Speaker 3: essen and with this biline ability, they're leaving these almost
Speaker 3: like these strange trails of plasma that's being left from
Speaker 3: their ability. But this thing was scared something was overhead.
Speaker 3: I think a plane that was above it, and that
Speaker 3: you would think with a shooting star or something that's
Speaker 3: coming downwards right. No, it was right on the path,
Speaker 3: straight ahead, and it became scared as it saw something
Speaker 3: above it. It stopped to slow down. It then disappeared
Speaker 3: and left its remnants that blew me away. And you think, okay, look,
Speaker 3: you just saw them, right. But the first thing that
Speaker 3: went through my head was Denial, an investigator who's been
Speaker 3: studying terosaurs, pterodactyl specimens, the fossils, things like that. You
Speaker 3: never expect to actually see something with your own eyes,
Speaker 3: but you do, and instead of welcoming it, I started
Speaker 3: dismissing it, saying, no, I don't get that lucky, It's
Speaker 3: not possible. But it happened. This was not a firework,
Speaker 3: it was not a light. It was an actual organic
Speaker 3: specimen flying in the area. And that just helps solidify
Speaker 3: with all my fellow comrades have been saying all these
Speaker 3: years when they've gone to Africa, when they've gone to
Speaker 3: Papua New Guinea, when you hear a course of the Roman,
Speaker 3: the Congamato, the Belusa, Maya, the core, all these different
Speaker 3: names for these creatures on different parts of the world,
Speaker 3: and why do they have these different It's very similar.
Speaker 3: People know them by it. They're not gonna call the pterodactyls.
Speaker 3: That's not the word they know. They know what they
Speaker 3: call them by. So that was a second end shelter.
Speaker 3: Ever since then, I had to fight with myself to
Speaker 3: say I didn't really see it, even though I clearly
Speaker 3: saw it from Investie. In standpoint, when you see something
Speaker 3: for the first time, it does shake you and it
Speaker 3: makes you think a little bit more, and then you
Speaker 3: realize you're just blessed to be able to have seen
Speaker 3: such a thing. That's part though.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the first siding that you had
Speaker 2: of this creature. Even before that, you've talked about pterodactyls
Speaker 2: versus pterosaurs. Can you give us the dime store tour,
Speaker 2: give us the abridged version, if you will, of the
Speaker 2: difference between those two creatures, because I know people are
Speaker 2: listening to this right now going what the hell is
Speaker 2: the difference in a pterodactyline terosaurs? So can you give
Speaker 2: us the layman's breakdown of the difference in the two
Speaker 2: creatures and what makes them different from one another?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? As a matter of fact, Terra dactyl is first
Speaker 3: established by those who found the fossil remnants. First named
Speaker 3: tero for place with a finger, dactyl mean placement of finger,
Speaker 3: Tero sore to soar. Okay, So you put the words
Speaker 3: together terra dactyl tridactyl meeting three. So the word was
Speaker 3: discovered first, and then later they realized that, hey, look,
Speaker 3: there's so much more. These creatures are very adverse. There's
Speaker 3: so much adversity to these creatures. They're big, they're small,
Speaker 3: they're huge, they're humongous. They have different placements. For instance,
Speaker 3: you're going to find that the ones with the tails
Speaker 3: tend to have the three shaker. Okay, the ones that
Speaker 3: are huge, like Terena, dol caets, a culpless Utomorphodon or ornett.
Speaker 3: The chairus without the tails per se, are more like
Speaker 3: the fingers like this, Okay, on top of the wings,
Speaker 3: they're going to be over the humorous and metatarsal. So
Speaker 3: halfway mark those are the larger versions. They realized that, hey,
Speaker 3: look it is not logically correct, so we're going to
Speaker 3: go with the word Taro's saw because these creatures are
Speaker 3: known for soaring, not so much to flat, but to soar.
Speaker 3: And they're correct on this because the way they flied
Speaker 3: is not like you to the coal bird. When you
Speaker 3: see something like this for the first time, you will
Speaker 3: know the difference between bird and reptile. When you see it,
Speaker 3: of course, it's going to blow your wind. That gives
Speaker 3: you an understanding. So that's how they change that. One
Speaker 3: of the first terosaurs found was a terodactyl, and it
Speaker 3: had different branches that came from it, different species and
Speaker 3: related to it. So they kept terodactyl Lloyd. But the
Speaker 3: more profound name, the more suggested that's used by the
Speaker 3: scientific community is Terra's saw. And again this one goes
Speaker 3: over everybody's head because they're not used to terrorist rugger,
Speaker 3: are used to terodactyl, But it still conveys the truth
Speaker 3: about them. It still conveys what they are. It's a
Speaker 3: dinosaur bird. If you want to use that. Most scientists
Speaker 3: and l talk just say, don't do that. We know better, no,
Speaker 3: because you're still trying to convey what you saw. And
Speaker 3: terodactyl is the first thing people will use because it's universe,
Speaker 3: all right. So I hope that helps a little bit.
Speaker 3: It was originally used as the name terodactyl. Later on
Speaker 3: it ratched out more broader term became terosaury.
Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to mind for me when
Speaker 2: I'm hearing anything to do with a winged harmanoid or
Speaker 2: cryptid at all is obviously Mothman. Point Pleasant comes to mind,
Speaker 2: because Danny and I were just there a couple of
Speaker 2: months ago. We went up to Point Pleasant and did
Speaker 2: the Mothman Festival for the first time. Yeah, September and
Speaker 2: people are talking about this winged cryptid. It's still going on.
Speaker 2: And most people think that the Mothman or the winged
Speaker 2: cryptid phenomenon ended back in that era when the Silver
Speaker 2: Bridge collapsed but it's gone on for many moons. I've
Speaker 2: interviewed LN Strickler over here. I think LN is probably
Speaker 2: one of the most prolific, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 2: investigators when it comes to winged hominoids, and it's happening now.
Speaker 2: Chicago is a big hotspot for these winged hominoids. So
Speaker 2: let me ask you this before we get into your
Speaker 2: other couple of experiences that you've had personally, let me
Speaker 2: just talk a little bit about that and ask you
Speaker 2: the point blank question, do you think that what you've
Speaker 2: experienced and what some of these other people that you've
Speaker 2: interviewed that have shared their experiences with you, what they've experienced,
Speaker 2: is something that could be connected to these other experiences,
Speaker 2: whether it be the mothman phenomenon and point pleasant or
Speaker 2: some of these winged taminoids that are being seen in
Speaker 2: and around the O'Hare Airport and Chicago in general, and
Speaker 2: to other places. Obviously, that's not the only place. I
Speaker 2: think they've even been in Japan and China and other places.
Speaker 2: And this is clearly subjective, so I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: set you up here. I don't think anybody really knows,
Speaker 2: But do you think that it's a possibility that what
Speaker 2: people are experiencing or seeing, maybe even in Point Pleasant,
Speaker 2: back in the era of the Silver Bridge collapse, and
Speaker 2: even today in and around Chicago, could be linked to
Speaker 2: what we're talking about, whether it be a pterodactyl, or
Speaker 2: do you think it's maybe a separate phenomenon. What are
Speaker 2: your opinions on or what is your feeling on the
Speaker 2: connection that could or could not exist between these two things.
Speaker 3: I think that's an excellent question, asked Brian. I love
Speaker 3: it when people ask this, and anytime I cure about
Speaker 3: someone whould have seen a gargoyle like creature, I jump
Speaker 3: on this as fast as I can because I want
Speaker 3: to see it. Maybe they're mistake in moster pro monster.
Speaker 3: When I talked to you, gentlemen not long ago, when
Speaker 3: an experience of a winged humanoid creature, I said, is
Speaker 3: it possible what you saw was a terosaur, terodactyl dinosaur bird?
Speaker 3: Is it possible you got that mistaken? He said, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: This thing had a head, arms, body like a man,
Speaker 3: but it was awful looking, so I could easily tell
Speaker 3: he knew distinctively that this was not terosaur related. Do
Speaker 3: I think that it's possible that these eyewitness testimonies are
Speaker 3: potentially getting it wrong and seeing pterosaurs. Yes, I do.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a large amount though, because again,
Speaker 3: when I come back to bird versus reptile, you will
Speaker 3: know the difference. There is no mistaking there are wings there,
Speaker 3: there are feathers there. Okay, and sometimes it takes a
Speaker 3: little bit to kick in, but people sometimes always see
Speaker 3: the head first, they see the lynx, you see those wings.
Speaker 3: Suddenly something goes off and there's fear or there is
Speaker 3: mystery and just awe. And this is why it's hard
Speaker 3: for good little bit about a camera and start filming,
Speaker 3: because they're just blasted by what they're seeing. Yes, I
Speaker 3: do think it's possible there's mistaken identities there. It's hard
Speaker 3: to believe between monsters here. But I do think the
Speaker 3: pterosaur Fotolma is to blame for some of these Wapan sightings,
Speaker 3: especially at night. The only thing is that I do
Speaker 3: think it's very minimal, very minimal. It's hard to really
Speaker 3: when you see the structure of a pterosaur. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: know it's like a dragon, but the way it looks,
Speaker 3: but it's anatomy when you see a humanoid like a
Speaker 3: gargoyle or mohmt. You can clearly see that there are
Speaker 3: anatomical parts that are humanistic that doesn't fit. It's disturbing.
Speaker 3: It's almost a biblical stuff to where there's genetic temper
Speaker 3: or demonic activity involved in the pterosaur is a natural
Speaker 3: creature part of where a world we have fossils of.
Speaker 3: We don't have any fossils of the mothman or garboys,
Speaker 3: something like that. So it puts them in a metaphysical
Speaker 3: state that's more than a little borderline paranormal, supernatural versus
Speaker 3: this that is a natural, organic creature that has been
Speaker 3: here the beginning of time. It's very likely that they
Speaker 3: are seeing terosaurs instead, but they almost have to be
Speaker 3: jet black or a very dark gray, which is what
Speaker 3: a lot of people describe when they tell me that
Speaker 3: they'd seen a terrorisaur. But clearly they see the distinctive
Speaker 3: features and says this is a reptile versus something with
Speaker 3: more of an aw we have a human being which
Speaker 3: is just enough to scare the hell out of anybody.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's possible. I'm glad you asked that,
Speaker 3: but I don't think the numbers are enormous to where
Speaker 3: there's a lot of confusion.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 4: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: There have been a report so when the lock bands
Speaker 3: around that people saw a large pterodactyl creature so to speak,
Speaker 3: And I can't relate it from that. Only one so
Speaker 3: I really trust on that would probably be he Steve
Speaker 3: Ward or Jeff who owns to the museum, the Lockman
Speaker 3: Museum as well. They could probably explain that a little
Speaker 3: bit more. But yeah, I think it's possible, don't got about.
Speaker 2: I think the norm for naysayers or skeptics. I'm a
Speaker 2: very skeptical person and I've had my own cryptid encounters.
Speaker 2: I've seen UFOs, I've had tons of experiences. But I'm
Speaker 2: skeptical more about people than I am about the phenomena itself.
Speaker 2: When the Mothman sidings were going on, people were saying, oh,
Speaker 2: you're just seeing sand hill cranes. It's a misidentification. It's
Speaker 2: not what you think it is. Then it ties into
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot phenomenon. There are plenty of people who ascribe
Speaker 2: to Bigfoot being Australia pithesceenes or Gigantopithecus is a huge
Speaker 2: part of the Bigfoot phenomenon of it in that there
Speaker 2: is a fossil record which you mentioned for pterosaurs pterodactyls
Speaker 2: that would make sense for what people could be seeing. Now,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, as a researcher and investigator
Speaker 2: looking into the subject, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: How do you take those questions or that cynicism that
Speaker 2: may come from people who are going to listen to
Speaker 2: this and say, how in the hell is a pterodactyl
Speaker 2: or a pterosaur still surviving in twenty twenty five when
Speaker 2: these things are supposed to have died out millions of
Speaker 2: years ago. There's a fossil record for them then, but
Speaker 2: how is it possible that they're here now? Because that's
Speaker 2: what we deal with in the Bigfoot community often. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if Bigfoot is some sort of an offshoe of our
Speaker 2: bushy family tree being hominins, hominoids, something that we're familiar
Speaker 2: with that died out many years ago, Gigantopithecus hasn't been
Speaker 2: around for hundreds of thousands of years, So how do
Speaker 2: you address those questions when people are going to hear
Speaker 2: this and say, how in the hell is this guy
Speaker 2: talking about a pterodactyl or a terros or flying around
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five over Chicago or Washington State or wherever.
Speaker 2: How do you deal with that when people are going
Speaker 2: to hear this and say that's not possible. What is
Speaker 2: your answer or how do you approach that as a
Speaker 2: researcher When people push back and give you that skepticism,
Speaker 2: good question.
Speaker 3: I like that. I don't mind the healthy skepticism. That's fine.
Speaker 3: Everybody has a right to be just a little skeptic
Speaker 3: of what others say. That's what makes you a good
Speaker 3: research That makes you a good investigator. You have to be.
Speaker 3: If you put all your eggs in one basket, you're
Speaker 3: probably going to be disappointed. And I've had to my
Speaker 3: share of disappointment. But that's okay because others have come
Speaker 3: forward that give me enough strength and enough knowledge to continue,
Speaker 3: enough to understand that there's something beyond our understanding. This
Speaker 3: world is beyond our understanding. There's so much to our
Speaker 3: world that we have not seen. And most people are
Speaker 3: living in a bubbles. They think all they see is
Speaker 3: what they see every day. But how many of these
Speaker 3: people have really ventured out to discover this for themselves.
Speaker 3: Just consider the continent of Africa. It's humongous. There's one
Speaker 3: swamp that's eighty percent undiscovered, so that could house some
Speaker 3: living mesozoics the past there. That's not hard to fathom.
Speaker 3: It's easy for me. I don't have a problem with
Speaker 3: people say no, it's not true. That's fine. It is
Speaker 3: difficult to take in. But according to Scripture, this world
Speaker 3: is not old, it is young. And I believe that.
Speaker 3: I believe the word of God. I believe scripture. Ture
Speaker 3: actually points so much to what we are finding on
Speaker 3: our herd, whether it be these beings who don't belong here,
Speaker 3: living reptiles as should be extinct, or these other beings
Speaker 3: who are half man, half dog or wolves. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: the Bible actually explains all of that stuff easy. Most
Speaker 3: people don't consider that. They're like, no, it can't, Yes,
Speaker 3: it does. It points to a time in the Epic
Speaker 3: of Gilgabish, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the time of
Speaker 3: the Nephilion where these things were actually being created. Dinosaurs
Speaker 3: aside flying reptiles, the archosaurs, the pterosaur family, these are
Speaker 3: natural creatures, part of our natural world. However, if you
Speaker 3: look at just the world in general, it is one
Speaker 3: big paranormal, supernatural real it's housing not just natural animals,
Speaker 3: natural people, but beings who are held at on controlling
Speaker 3: the way we go about our daily life. For me,
Speaker 3: it's not difficult to believe that something like this has
Speaker 3: survived because when we go to conventions, which I used
Speaker 3: to do, or you listen to spiels, when it comes
Speaker 3: to sasquatch, you'd be surprised how many people are so
Speaker 3: devoted to the sasquatch phenomena. That's right, that's good. We
Speaker 3: need more people to vote it. But there's so many
Speaker 3: broad there's thousands of them. How many are devoted to
Speaker 3: the pterosaur phenomena A handful, probably five. Long Strickland is one.
Speaker 3: He loves this type of field involving these creatures. Ken
Speaker 3: Gearhart loves the flying time. But there's very few of
Speaker 3: these guys, and we need more of them, need more
Speaker 3: of them to help us understand. But when I go
Speaker 3: to these inventions I bring up the pterosaur phenomena, it's
Speaker 3: laughed at, it's mocked, it's ridiculed, and some people just
Speaker 3: do it because they won't accept that a dinosaur has survived,
Speaker 3: And I say why, it's because they're extinct. I'm like,
Speaker 3: how do you know that reptiles are excellent survivors? This
Speaker 3: is a fact. Do we not have their bones? Yes,
Speaker 3: we do, we have their bones. I don't have a
Speaker 3: bone of sasquatch. I'm sure maybe someone has been somewhere,
Speaker 3: but it's just not being brought out of the line.
Speaker 3: Might maybe we have Prince of the Sasquatch footprints. I've
Speaker 3: got tracks of terost or tracks. So why is this
Speaker 3: hard to believe? That these guys have found a way
Speaker 3: to linger. Maybe their numbers are not so big, but
Speaker 3: if it's a reptile, I think their numbers are climbing.
Speaker 3: Because again, it's not in other continents around the world
Speaker 3: that people are seeing these things. It's in your own backyard.
Speaker 3: People are seeing them in Texas. People have been attacked
Speaker 3: by these things. People have been killed by these things.
Speaker 3: This isn't hard to reablieve. And when I hear people
Speaker 3: come forward and say I've seen something, help me, help
Speaker 3: me understand what I'm seeing, put some clarity, some context in.
Speaker 3: Because I am a doctor, this is not my profession.
Speaker 3: I just happen to be in the right place at
Speaker 3: the right time, exploit it. To me, Jack, when I
Speaker 3: get testimony like that, I take it very seriously. I
Speaker 3: used to work with Salem PD for their polygraph testing
Speaker 3: back in twenty fourteen. Yous hear the testimonies from people
Speaker 3: and you can determine whether or not they're telling the truth.
Speaker 3: Polygraph testing isn't always accurate, but it's a good tool.
Speaker 3: They still use it in the judicial systems. That's a fact.
Speaker 3: So I decided to use this practice. Last year. We
Speaker 3: had one lady from Asteroid come forward and she gave
Speaker 3: her testimony on the pterosaur, a large one that was
Speaker 3: seen in Washington State. We decided to do a polygraph
Speaker 3: test with her. She passed. Therefore I believe it. Again,
Speaker 3: it's an instrument that isn't always accurate, but this is
Speaker 3: a good tool to use for this field. They use
Speaker 3: an uscrobst all the time. When the problem with monster
Speaker 3: quest is you're not supposed to fill during a polygraph
Speaker 3: test that's of a stick, So whatever you're seeing that's
Speaker 3: not allowed, that's not supposed to happen. But I think
Speaker 3: California things are a little more liberal, so they probably
Speaker 3: get away of more but these testimonies are important to
Speaker 3: solidify something is going on, that they are seeing something
Speaker 3: that should be extinct, but they're not. Just because the
Speaker 3: mainstream media may say this has to be extinct doesn't
Speaker 3: mean it is. And a great example of that is
Speaker 3: the Seala caf Remember that cretaitious fish found out the
Speaker 3: coast of South Africa. Give me a break. You can
Speaker 3: still go to a specific part of the ocean and
Speaker 3: observe these fish. There's proof for me. I know it's
Speaker 3: a fish. A messozog would be so much better to
Speaker 3: capture off film or to study. But why be so
Speaker 3: dismissive of that. I understand the criticism. I understand the skepticism.
Speaker 3: That's fine, but you can't contest over two hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty one sightings on our part alone of something in
Speaker 3: our skies that fits a living terrorisaur that is still
Speaker 3: fout a way to versis today.
Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate what sounds like your flesh and blood
Speaker 2: approach to the subject, because this is a divide in
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch community of the wu or the high strangeness
Speaker 2: versus the quote unquote flesh and blood. This is something
Speaker 2: that came up when I had Line on the show
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when we were talking about
Speaker 2: winged hominoids. Is that they've done, and by they people
Speaker 2: that are associated with Launch Strickler and some of the
Speaker 2: investigators that have looked into these recent or more recent
Speaker 2: winged hominoid accounts that are going on in and around Chicago.
Speaker 2: They've done some things that are considered WU or high strangeness,
Speaker 2: and that they're using remote view and other things. And
Speaker 2: Line has said that they have been able to connect
Speaker 2: with some of these creatures that they think people are
Speaker 2: seeing and they appear to be coming from another dimension.
Speaker 2: So I want to talk a little bit about that
Speaker 2: before we get into your other experiences. How do you
Speaker 2: reconcile that in your research? How do you specifically look
Speaker 2: at that when people think that these things may be
Speaker 2: coming and going from other dimensions? Is that something that
Speaker 2: you even consider as a possibility that there might be
Speaker 2: some more high strangeness situations going on here versus these
Speaker 2: things surviving to still be flesh and blood creatures flying
Speaker 2: around in twenty twenty five when they were supposed to
Speaker 2: be extinct however many years ago.
Speaker 3: Thank you for bringing that up. I do believe in
Speaker 3: high strangeness. I do accept that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Listen, there are vortexas and port ole school over our verse.
Speaker 3: The Devil's Triangle Permuta Triangle is just one good example.
Speaker 3: Do I believe that these are portals of time Riffs? No,
Speaker 3: I do not, although I do believe to be transportation. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it is possible that these creatures are coming through
Speaker 3: from Let's just say one creature could be in Hawaii
Speaker 3: and there was a portal there and he could find
Speaker 3: its way suddenly in Texas. I think that's possibility, no
Speaker 3: doubt about it. Time Riff. No, I do not accept
Speaker 3: time travel to be something that is proof positive in
Speaker 3: the real not yet. I think when it comes to
Speaker 3: time travel, that's something that is only controlled by the
Speaker 3: Creator himself. He controls time, space, matter, all the good stuff.
Speaker 3: I leave that to it. In this case, here we
Speaker 3: have natural creatures that have been a part of our
Speaker 3: world for a very long time and insuda way survived.
Speaker 3: But I do think there's something to this. Let's just
Speaker 3: examine if this is not an extinct prehistoric creature of
Speaker 3: some soul Okay, robins, cogabat to, whatever you want to call,
Speaker 3: then what are they because clearly they have physical aspects
Speaker 3: that would say this is a pterosol? Are they being
Speaker 3: created somewhere? We know certain things are being brought back
Speaker 3: to life, but what purpose is there for this to
Speaker 3: be created a lab and then let loose? There's too
Speaker 3: many sidings. Is that a possibility? Yeah, it's not very strong,
Speaker 3: but it's a theory and I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: dismissive of it. Is it possibly these things are trying
Speaker 3: to survive by breeding with another type and that's why
Speaker 3: they don't look the way they should compared to what
Speaker 3: we're used to seeing in the fossil record. Speciism candidate
Speaker 3: adapt with another. There is proof ran that there are
Speaker 3: certain animals in the animal kingdom that if they feel
Speaker 3: that they are not what's the way I'm looking for,
Speaker 3: some will reject it. From actually being able to mate,
Speaker 3: they will breach off and mat with something else. Does
Speaker 3: that cause a mutation of something like maybe others have
Speaker 3: described the Emilia druka in the Cameroon or the congo
Speaker 3: of Africa. I don't know. That's something that takes a
Speaker 3: lot more closer examination. As a matter of fact, when
Speaker 3: I was amongst the wildlife Safari and some of the
Speaker 3: teachers there low key to hear an oregon in beautiful place.
Speaker 3: I asked all these questions. The answers know, They're like, no,
Speaker 3: there's no way an African elephant would want to mate
Speaker 3: with a ride. But they were wrong. There is actually
Speaker 3: proof of that. So even though they're very knowledgeable people,
Speaker 3: and I do trust their opinion and with the amazing
Speaker 3: work they do with their animals, they don't know this.
Speaker 3: Only people who study and go seeking these things are
Speaker 3: gonna find it. I've often thought about this question over
Speaker 3: and over again what this could be. But I do
Speaker 3: think there is a not a rift in time, but
Speaker 3: these portalsy vortexts that are pulling these things through. I
Speaker 3: do think that's a strong possibility. The other question is
Speaker 3: just come to mind and say, Okay, what else could
Speaker 3: they be if they're not terroristorates and they fit the bill.
Speaker 3: Let me just provide a little bit more detail here
Speaker 3: roll vexed the robot from Papua New Guinea. They're saying
Speaker 3: this creature has a tail. What's so hard to believe
Speaker 3: about that? We know there are sort of tarot actolines
Speaker 3: and rafa rika dae that have tails. They're also saying
Speaker 3: this thing as a headcrest. And now give an example.
Speaker 3: This is that topic Carrup. Okay, as you can see,
Speaker 3: he is a very big fan headcrest. But this is
Speaker 3: not bone. This is not all above. The bone is
Speaker 3: here and down below and up above the rest of
Speaker 3: it is cartilage and muscle. So if the people in
Speaker 3: Papua New Guinea are seeing something with a head crest,
Speaker 3: it's actually not one of these guys, but it's more
Speaker 3: of the lines of a torontodon, the long pointy only,
Speaker 3: which is actually enables them to steer better when they
Speaker 3: have such a long headcrest. Could be a resin chamber
Speaker 3: of some I'm sorry too, I think, but anyway, there's
Speaker 3: something to fit the fossil record long headcrest, long tail.
Speaker 3: We don't have any fossil records of a toronto Don
Speaker 3: having both.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right
Speaker 4: back after these messages.
Speaker 3: That's not to say they don't exist, but we just
Speaker 3: haven't found the bones yet. Something that your audience should
Speaker 3: understand is that pterosaur fossils are fragile. When you dig
Speaker 3: them up, they break and they're scattered. This range true
Speaker 3: from any kind of bird as well. Finding an intact
Speaker 3: pterosaur species fossilized is hard consider how many species there are.
Speaker 3: There's over one hundred and fifty different species of pterosaurs
Speaker 3: that we've fat so there's found to be a lot more.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I got a little off on topic there. But to
Speaker 3: answer your question, yes, I do believe that there's a
Speaker 3: strong possibility they are going from place to place, and
Speaker 3: that's how maybe more people are seeing them, and it's
Speaker 3: not something they want to do, but we have vortex's
Speaker 3: on this earth that are actually just bring the true
Speaker 3: For your audience who do listen to you, they understand this.
Speaker 3: For those who are tuning in, they will not. They'll
Speaker 3: say this is nonsense, but that's their decision.
Speaker 5: I got you.
Speaker 2: Let's get into your final couple of experiences that you've
Speaker 2: had with these things personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, being on a show, now, I'm drawing the blank.
Speaker 3: But I mentioned the Yakama trip, I mentioned the night sky.
Speaker 3: Over the years, goodlo have actually called me, and most
Speaker 3: of the accounts that I get are phone calls. Most
Speaker 3: people do not want to be seen, but they will
Speaker 3: be heard, and some people just want to be heard
Speaker 3: by saying, here's my statement. I'm not coming forward any
Speaker 3: frame because they're scared. They're afraid that there's going to
Speaker 3: be something a ramification from this that could cost in
Speaker 3: their job. And I assure them that when it comes
Speaker 3: to terrorist or activity, it's just not the case for
Speaker 3: people who have actually been attacked by officials, which I
Speaker 3: do believe there is a program. Now, Okay, they're in
Speaker 3: the minority. Not many people really get attacked for this
Speaker 3: stuff because they look at us as we're in the minority.
Speaker 3: Who cares One siding doesn't bow us. But if something
Speaker 3: does escalate, there might be more of a pattern with
Speaker 3: these officials. But anyway, my experience with these phone calls
Speaker 3: is I've received one call that was really alarming, and
Speaker 3: a gentleman who was living in Washington State called me
Speaker 3: use a rancher, and he said that he found a
Speaker 3: carcass on his property and it was mutilated. And I said,
Speaker 3: tell me whereabouts on your properties. It was located over
Speaker 3: by one of the windmills now right, if you want
Speaker 3: to look this up later. I actually highly recommended through
Speaker 3: the Columbia River Gorge leading to the Aatimore River. There
Speaker 3: are windmills everywhere, these big towers with the white blades,
Speaker 3: which you can't recycle, by the way, go on a landfill.
Speaker 3: But these things have been known to take out birds
Speaker 3: constantly because they're pulling them in it. It has since
Speaker 3: gotten better, but this account was chilling, disturbing. I don't
Speaker 3: know if there's real validity behind it because this was
Speaker 3: one case and it was dropped. But he said it
Speaker 3: found a carcass. And he said, this thing's not a bird.
Speaker 3: It has smooth skin. It's been ripped up, but it's
Speaker 3: purplish and black in color. It's got a tail pointing
Speaker 3: with some sort of strange diamond flange on it. He
Speaker 3: said that the bells went off. I knew exactly what
Speaker 3: I was talking about. I said, tell me about the fingers.
Speaker 3: Can you see fingers? He said, I saw fingers, but
Speaker 3: they were not towards the midpoint of the wing. It's
Speaker 3: a litle it further back along the metataursal and they
Speaker 3: were not your typical three claud they were split. This
Speaker 3: told me that what we're dealing with is a Referika
Speaker 3: Day that was killed and landed on his property. And
Speaker 3: I'm saying, okay, that means you still got the body,
Speaker 3: and I'm getting excited about this, but he says, no,
Speaker 3: I don't have the body anymore. I called fish and
Speaker 3: Wildlife and it disappeared before they eating got there. Okay,
Speaker 3: what I think here is Okay, maybe he just wants
Speaker 3: his time in the spotlight. But my job is not
Speaker 3: to be dismissive. My job is to listen. And since
Speaker 3: there are so many cases of these guys, this one
Speaker 3: just flew me away because we potentially had a body,
Speaker 3: and where did it go, who took it, and who
Speaker 3: knew he had seen it? So those are some holes
Speaker 3: in the story. I get it as it is with
Speaker 3: a lot of cases involving cryptozoology that span from dog
Speaker 3: man to other things, but it stood out to me
Speaker 3: as one of the most powerful because we potentially had
Speaker 3: something we don't have it now, and that's crushing to research.
Speaker 3: We all dream of a body, a carcass a specimen
Speaker 3: to actually see, and they went missing. So something's terribly
Speaker 3: wrong there. But anyway, it was a fascinating account that
Speaker 3: I still kept on record because I think there's something
Speaker 3: to it, but it only confirms it. There could be
Speaker 3: people out there who are just concocted things, and there
Speaker 3: are people who are very sincere. We're saying I need help,
Speaker 3: I need someone to talk to here you are, thank
Speaker 3: you for listening. But Washington State seems to be a
Speaker 3: hotspot for this stuff, and that's because of the ocean
Speaker 3: connecting and the big river with the fish. The bioloment essence,
Speaker 3: to me, is a real phenomena. It's in organisms. When
Speaker 3: I saw for myself, I was perplexed, but I understand
Speaker 3: what it is. I saw what I heard in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty in the canyon, and then the reports when we
Speaker 3: helped to make that a reality. I did have one
Speaker 3: young boy from Oron Coast in Gold Beach, Oregon who
Speaker 3: believed he saw one that I couldn't really get enough
Speaker 3: information to make that an absolute tune or give it
Speaker 3: excellent clarity for so I had to dislist that. But
Speaker 3: there's so many reports. I have over two hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty one sports now a living pterosaurs alone, And this
Speaker 3: is what has continued to drive me forward, just listening
Speaker 3: and taking it all in. You asked me before, though,
Speaker 3: how all this began. But there was something that did
Speaker 3: happen to me in nineteen ninety one that doesn't correlate
Speaker 3: to terroristaur research, but to lizard if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 3: As I talked to others who maybe specialized in this
Speaker 3: lizard van thing, I don't know if I was meant
Speaker 3: to see this or not, but it was there. I
Speaker 3: was only eleven years old. We lived in an older
Speaker 3: home that was called nineteen thirty two, and I was
Speaker 3: messing with things that were probably not the right thing
Speaker 3: to do with their occult practices, but I'm young and
Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was doing. And that's when
Speaker 3: I came across this thing the am hours that appeared
Speaker 3: in my room that was reptilian for and when I
Speaker 3: saw it, I was absolutely scared to death that I
Speaker 3: couldn't move. It was that powerful when you're looking at it.
Speaker 3: It was so vivid with the scales and the cloths
Speaker 3: and the head. All I can remember was the eyes
Speaker 3: were towards the back and they were black. Mouth was open,
Speaker 3: and there was this rose of teeth. It was for
Speaker 3: them so powerful that I couldn't move. The only thing
Speaker 3: I could remember was to use scripture to try to
Speaker 3: get enough strength to do something. So I pulled the
Speaker 3: covers over my head. Waited, pulled the covers down and
Speaker 3: it was still there. And then that's when I recited
Speaker 3: part of scripture. And as I pulled the covers back
Speaker 3: again and started to bring it down, then this creature
Speaker 3: was fading slowly, but it was fatal. But by experience
Speaker 3: with that over the years actually helped me to understand
Speaker 3: this phenomena of sleep paralysis if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 3: And a lot of other people I've talked to said
Speaker 3: they've seen reptilians, Like, why if we're going through sleep roolysis,
Speaker 3: why are so many people seeing reptilians if it sleep rouses.
Speaker 3: Some doctors have said, you just see things that are
Speaker 3: really there. I'm like, I'm not buying it. Why are
Speaker 3: so many other people seeing these things? Some experiencing them
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night, some of them different
Speaker 3: parts of the day. I reached out to a lot
Speaker 3: of different members who specialized in the super asterol and paranoal,
Speaker 3: and that's how I got involved with pari psychology for
Speaker 3: about five or six years. I understood what I had
Speaker 3: come across what i'd seen. They're like, you saw a
Speaker 3: real profound being that was there to inflict damage. So
Speaker 3: that was one of my other experiences with this field,
Speaker 3: and I kept thinking, okay, is this a part of
Speaker 3: this field? Because people kept seeing they seeing lizard men
Speaker 3: in the flesh, though in some of them actually been
Speaker 3: attacked by these things in who knows where, South Carolina.
Speaker 3: It was one Pott spotty. But this is more in
Speaker 3: the lines of supernatural. But it was very powerful and
Speaker 3: very audience say, don't dabble in things you don't comprehend
Speaker 3: or can understand. Don't. That's what dark items because you
Speaker 3: never know what you're unleashing into your hole that can
Speaker 3: damage you. It's like a poultry dist that way attaches
Speaker 3: in a will let go. Did that help to push
Speaker 3: me forward? No, that was just experience that I had
Speaker 3: never been able to shake. That has left it mark
Speaker 3: on me. But I think what it did, Bill Rian,
Speaker 3: is it opened my eyes to more of the things
Speaker 3: around me, not just the physical realm, but the spiritual
Speaker 3: realm as well. And believe it or not, that's what
Speaker 3: we're happening here. But if you want to hear one
Speaker 3: more thing, I'm happy to share. There was one time
Speaker 3: I had a chance to be apart, but I really
Speaker 3: need to dig in twenty twelve, I found a company
Speaker 3: called Digbetures on Why that was doing archaeological work and
Speaker 3: they have been doing new research where they had just
Speaker 3: received so many nique reports of ancient artifacts around a
Speaker 3: certain fortress. I think it was called liation. And so
Speaker 3: I asked what can I do to be a part
Speaker 3: of this and what dixie could I do? And they
Speaker 3: had assigned me to a trench seven. I said, if
Speaker 3: you can make it, we'll put you in Trench seven.
Speaker 3: You can learn from us, you can become an archaeologist
Speaker 3: hands on. And I was so excited to do that,
Speaker 3: but I could not come up with the funds to
Speaker 3: make that a reality in two those twelve So as
Speaker 3: I followed their endeavors, this team, Brandon and his team
Speaker 3: dug up ancient remains of what they believed to be
Speaker 3: hell Hous in this era, and I reached out to
Speaker 3: him and said, what did you find in Trench seven?
Speaker 3: He said, we found meta heals that people have been
Speaker 3: talking about all these years, large fossils of dogs. As
Speaker 3: a kid, I remember doing research on what was called
Speaker 3: the Black Shock, this ghostly phenomena in East Anglia. So
Speaker 3: I did a whole report on that in school. I
Speaker 3: did a whole video on that for our network because
Speaker 3: he just inspired me with what they had discovered. I
Speaker 3: had a chance to be a part of that and
Speaker 3: I miss But it was so neat that they actually
Speaker 3: uncovered the remains of what they believed to be a
Speaker 3: link to the Shuck or the bar guest these ghostly canons.
Speaker 3: I know this is ghostly activity. Doctor really involved in cryptozoology,
Speaker 3: but that was an experience that I will compare it
Speaker 3: to Donald Pleasants and the General Christopher Lee. Christopher Lee
Speaker 3: turned down the part of Halloween and Donald Pleasants took
Speaker 3: kit and he kicked himself for that. I feel like
Speaker 3: I kicked myself for not being a part of that
Speaker 3: dig in twenty twelve, which I could have been there
Speaker 3: for but missed the opportunity because of finance. And so
Speaker 3: I wanted to share that because it is pretty cool
Speaker 3: what they were able deified. Yeah, and you can actually
Speaker 3: find the chart omits. The cal a d suggested that
Speaker 3: this was bigger than your typical doges best in that
Speaker 3: was about so it was really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we all have those moments we kick ourselves
Speaker 2: for not being involved in, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here. You mentioned your net
Speaker 2: Let's talk about anything you want to plug or anything
Speaker 2: you want people to be aware of how they can
Speaker 2: find you, your research and what you got going on.
Speaker 3: Like you, you've got a great channel on YouTube. You're
Speaker 3: probably utilizing other networks too to help broaden the range
Speaker 3: for your audience. Like I said, I started the rope
Speaker 3: In Network in twenty nineteen. It was very inferior and
Speaker 3: that was client because we branched off with an organization
Speaker 3: called cc Media that's located here in Salem, a journalistic
Speaker 3: approach and they really found what I did to be
Speaker 3: exciting and this let's help you get more involved, more
Speaker 3: hands on, and they've actually helped spirit hit my work.
Speaker 3: So you can find us here at Salem on the
Speaker 3: channels here at Salem at orcus about one hundred thirty
Speaker 3: thousand people through the CCDA rogu app. However, you can't
Speaker 3: find the rope and Network on YouTube, Rubble, Spotify. For podcasters.
Speaker 3: We're on Facebook. We are on Instagram, though I don't
Speaker 3: really use Instagram very much. I'm working on a website.
Speaker 3: I'm not lucky when I'm coming across. We're still at works.
Speaker 3: We're working on clothing. A lot of people have asked
Speaker 3: for shirts. I've tried to partner with the five eleven Tacticle,
Speaker 3: who is a great sponsor for us. Wildlie Safari is
Speaker 3: a great sponsor for us, and we're working on building
Speaker 3: the brand for people to really enjoy. I don't want
Speaker 3: to just put it on your T shirt. I want
Speaker 3: to do something nice for the audience to really enjoy.
Speaker 3: But you can find us on YouTube, Ropen Network. Rumble
Speaker 3: is our sister station for just in case something goes
Speaker 3: wrong with our uploads, you can go to Rumble and
Speaker 3: find us there. But Spotify for podcasts is just a
Speaker 3: great way for a radio show to be areas. We
Speaker 3: do have longer shows on Spotify which you could listen to.
Speaker 3: Our broadcasts are on YouTube where you could actually see
Speaker 3: stories that are like unsold mysteries on a platform like that,
Speaker 3: where we introduce the story, then we talk to people
Speaker 3: one on one give a little bit more analysis, so
Speaker 3: you're getting the best of both worlds. But I do
Speaker 3: recommend Spotify if you want to just listen to the programs.
Speaker 3: It's at least a two or three hour show YouTube
Speaker 3: condensed version forty five minutes or so. Maybe it hot,
Speaker 3: but that's not you find us Ropen Network on all
Speaker 3: those major platforms.
Speaker 2: I will make it easy as always for you guys.
Speaker 2: I will link to it in the show notes. You guys,
Speaker 2: go over and check it out. Show on some Love, Jacob,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on and sharing your
Speaker 2: experiences and your knowledge. Man, have had a blast talking
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: Ryan has been a pleasure to speak with you. But
Speaker 3: I want to ask you just a couple of questions
Speaker 3: of that's okay, sure, I'll make a bridge. Tell me
Speaker 3: like myself, something must have triggered something in you to
Speaker 3: want to be a part of the spiel. Can you
Speaker 3: tell me about it?
Speaker 2: I had my own experiences when I was very young.
Speaker 2: I grew up in a haunted house. I had UFO experiences,
Speaker 2: and I had what I believed to be a Bigfoot
Speaker 2: experience when I was twelve, and that's what got me
Speaker 2: interested in the subject. I was always interested in cryptids
Speaker 2: and NeSSI was my first love, my first real cryptid love.
Speaker 2: I call it the gateway cryptid into all the other cryptids.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's pretty much it. The Lockness monster, and
Speaker 2: obviously Bigfoot was always huge. I grew up in the
Speaker 2: Southeastern United States, listening to stories of people talking about
Speaker 2: the wild, the hairyman, the boogers. They didn't call him
Speaker 2: Bigfoot or Sasquatch back then, not in North Georgia where
Speaker 2: I was growing up, But I grew up with those stories.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I had my own experience when
Speaker 2: I was twelve. I didn't get to see what it was,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure it was probably an experience with Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: and that's what got me interested in the subject.
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to hear. I'd always like to
Speaker 3: hear how you got started and which has launched this
Speaker 3: platform for you. Well, I appreciate you having me on
Speaker 3: sasquatch Obo. It's been a blast. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for allowing me to convey this to your audience. And
Speaker 3: like I said, I know this is a creature that's
Speaker 3: not sought after. It's hard for people to believe, but
Speaker 3: there's so much more to this world and you see
Speaker 3: every day. So keep an open mind. Folks.
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