WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.000 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.120 on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog, 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.960 my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. 4 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:13.640 I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.120 really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over 6 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:17.800 the fence and he was dead. And once you hit 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.679 the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I 8 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:38.320 saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.960 are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling 10 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:51.759 around out here? Did you see what it was or 11 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.159 was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through 12 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:55.920 the window now and I don't see anything. I don't 13 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:03.880 want to go outside, Jesus, Quice, you better hello, hit 14 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:06.439 somebody out here? What quin I'm out there? It's thought 15 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.959 of a bitch about tech forty nine. I don't know 16 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.239 easy out there. Yeah, I'm bulking right. 17 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.120 Hey, this is not what you normally hear on this show. 18 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.159 If you're a longtime listener, you already know the lane. 19 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:23.799 We usually stay in, boots on the ground, Woods Encounters Sasquatch, 20 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:27.599 real people telling real stories about something that still refuses 21 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:31.280 to fit neatly into a box. But today, today we're 22 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:34.319 stepping sideways. As most of you know, I don't get 23 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:36.159 into what a guest is going to talk about until 24 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:40.079 we actually sit down and hit record. I don't prescript it, 25 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.840 I don't steer it. I let the conversation breathe. I 26 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:47.519 let it go where it goes, and sometimes it goes 27 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.400 places you don't expect, because this episode isn't about footprints 28 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.480 in the mud. It's not about tree breaks or wood knocks. 29 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.519 It's about the sky winged cryptids, creatures that shouldn't exist, 30 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.239 creatures that, according to history when extinct millions of years ago, 31 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:11.000 Ramphorhinkus pterosaurs. Yeah those now, before you roll your eyes, 32 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.520 before you say, Brian, come on, man, hear me out. 33 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:20.719 What happens when multiple people across different locations, different decades, 34 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.919 different backgrounds describe the same impossible thing. What happens when 35 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.080 those descriptions line up just a little too well? And 36 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.039 what happens when those sightings don't live in myth but 37 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:35.479 in modern airspace. You know, I will always be real 38 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.840 with you. This episode challenged me, it surprised me, and 39 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.520 at more than one point it made me stop and 40 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.479 just sit there in silence. Because whether you believe in 41 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:48.680 winged cryptids or not isn't really the point. The point 42 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:52.759 is this people are seeing something and whatever that something is, 43 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:56.599 it doesn't care what we think is possible. So tonight 44 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:01.960 we're opening the door. Just a crack, no climbs, no conclusions, 45 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:07.240 just a conversation about wings, about shadows overhead, and about 46 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:11.280 the uncomfortable question we don't ask nearly enough what if 47 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:13.879 we're still not seeing the whole picture? All right, folks 48 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:15.479 want to welcome my guest to the show. It is 49 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:17.840 Jacob from Oregon. Welcome to the show, sir. 50 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.080 Thank you so much for having me. Bryan, it's pleasure 51 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:20.759 to be on your show. 52 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.360 I have been looking forward to this conversation. Let's jump 53 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.000 right into it. What in the world got you interested 54 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:27.280 in the subject of sasquatch? 55 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.240 To begin with, Wow, this actually goes back to nineteen 56 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:32.360 eighty five. I was just a young li with that. 57 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:37.039 But it actually wasn't the sasquatch that drove me. It 58 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.400 was this whole sor blotting at the Congo of Africa 59 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:44.000 that piqued my interest. And when I first embarked on 60 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.639 Matt with Roy mackel Lucien below, all these different people 61 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:52.280 went out and investigated this area. That drove me closer to 62 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.639 the field. And as I looked into the field, then 63 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.400 that's when you had the Sasquatch, all these amazing things 64 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.479 that just tied up. A light bulb went off and 65 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:04.479 I was like, okay, what can I do to be involved? 66 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.360 Of course, there's schooling everything, and I went through that, 67 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:09.680 decided to do some schooling and got that out of 68 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:11.840 the way, and then embarked on what I thought would 69 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.240 be a fun adventure for me later on, and it's 70 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:17.160 sure enough, it became very exciting and it took me 71 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.319 to new horizon. But some of the practices I had before, 72 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.120 I either working with Salem Pde as an investigator, working 73 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:28.560 as a translator, that brought me closer to understanding how 74 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:34.279 eyewitness testimony works. And so it wasn't until nineteen ninety nine, 75 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.079 two thousand and two thousand and one ish when I 76 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.439 started working for the organis State legislature, and a lot 77 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.600 to w are like, what does politics have to do 78 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:48.360 with this field? By absolutely nothing, But however, you could 79 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:52.240 meet some great people in this work. So as those 80 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.120 years went by leading up to it, people started to 81 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:58.199 realize who I was, my likes, my dislikes working for 82 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:02.800 politics for about eleven years, closer to people who said, hey, 83 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.879 look guy, I know a family in Washington State who 84 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:08.920 was seeing something on their proffrey. I think you might 85 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.279 be interested in seeing that. And I said, tell you 86 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.040 what it is? Do you need to talk to that 87 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.720 find out what it is? So when the session ended, 88 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:21.879 I decided to investigate it. But then my dad became 89 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.079 very ill, so I didn't get the opportunity. So later 90 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.079 in two thousand and one special session I met up 91 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:29.720 with the individual again. He said, did you go talk 92 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.120 to the family essac? I didn't. My dad was ill. 93 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.639 Do you need to go? You got to go out there. 94 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.199 I'm like, okay, fine, I'll do it. So when this 95 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:40.319 session ended, he gave me the directions. I went out 96 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.480 to the talk to the valley, a remote place out 97 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.120 there in the Yakama forst in Washington State, and to 98 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.360 my shock, she described a flying creature. I was expecting 99 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:54.279 something else, but she described a flying creature because just 100 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.120 her and her son out there, they're isolated, but that's 101 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.319 the way they like it. There are neighbors, but their 102 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.959 scat dense area. There are some people, but you're looking 103 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.360 at a good distance between each other, so if you 104 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:09.319 had to run for help, you're gonna have a bit 105 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.680 of a struggle there. I remember going to a property 106 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.000 talking with her in her side, and she kept telling 107 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:19.160 me this thing. Floods said, Okay, what kind of bird 108 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.120 is it? She said, I don't think it's a bird. 109 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.040 It's got smooth skin, so it has smooth skin. So yeah, 110 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.199 I'm like, oh, does a bird fly without feather? She said, totally, 111 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:28.560 it's not a bird. But that's what you do. You 112 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:30.279 try to see if you can trip them up, and 113 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.800 maybe they'll stumble, and maybe they're just making this whole 114 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.879 thing up. As I listen to her over and over, 115 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.360 she was out of it. This thing was big, smooth skin, 116 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:43.519 long tail skin that was blackish or purple, and you 117 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:48.160 could clearly see veins in its wings. I said, tail, Okay, 118 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.079 something goes off in your head about Okay, if it's 119 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:55.120 a tail, then it's gonna have feathers, right, No, it's 120 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.959 a long twenty tail. And this thing had been killing 121 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.800 her family pets, either cats or dogs whatever she was 122 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.199 keeping on property. And I'm actually surprised she had certain 123 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.639 investigated animals on that property. Some people do that for protection. 124 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:11.240 So as I chat with her some more, and I 125 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:16.639 found out that what she was describing was prehistoric in 126 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.560 a sense, So just for chicks, I would out a 127 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.959 few books at her, look at some pictures. Finally we 128 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.120 got to an image of one and she said that's 129 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.800 it and I said, less a ramp rinkots. She says, 130 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:35.199 what's that? This is a dinosaur bird And she said 131 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:37.439 that's what I saw, and that she drew me her 132 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:42.040 own version of it too. This blew me away, absolutely 133 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.160 blew me away, because we have a person here who 134 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:48.439 is sincere, very honest and very scared. This is what 135 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.319 they're seeing. All these things started to go off my 136 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.920 mind about, Okay, who did you contact? What kind of 137 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.439 authority is out there that you alerted to all of this? 138 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.560 Did you talk to a fish and game rangers? And 139 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.319 she did, but who was going to believe her? As 140 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.240 a matter of fact, they would actually smirk at hers. 141 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.519 They would actually say, maybe you should talk to someone 142 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.240 about this, like maybe a shrink or what I've read. 143 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.600 Imagine how she felt with that situation. This is a 144 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:19.199 person who's trying to convey this to them, saying, this 145 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.839 is an amazing creature that I'm seeing and it's dangerous. 146 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.519 What are you gonna do about it? Nothing? Because it 147 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:32.440 shouldn't exist. Bottom line. From that point on, I was 148 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:36.240 hooked off this well. I wouldn't let it go one person, 149 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:40.200 one testimony, and from that point on, I kept saying, Okay, 150 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.240 is there anybody else out there? And I couldn't find anyone. 151 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:46.600 So the years went by and I kept a close 152 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:48.960 interest in this, and I started to realize there were 153 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:53.919 others who had been discovering this for themselves, such as 154 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:59.600 Ken Gearhart, Gareth Gaspin, Dave Whatsell, Bill Gibbons, amazing guy, 155 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.320 consider patriarchs of this field. And I started seeing their reports. 156 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.799 I'm like, something's going on here. There is a profound 157 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:11.519 phenomena involving this creature. But is it just one type 158 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.159 or are there more variations of it? To my shock, 159 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:19.840 there were websites devoted to it as well, Living Pterosaurus 160 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:24.320 dot com other places, and I realized I wasn't alone, 161 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:30.120 that there's something happening here that is worthy of research, 162 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.639 and no one is taking an interest in us. If 163 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.440 you think about this, Brian, there may be only five 164 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:41.399 of us who are truly devoted to this creature, and 165 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.279 as I researched it more than the eyewitness TESTI when 166 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.480 I started more because it was one person saying, that's 167 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:57.120 why I saw it. Man different walks of life, doctors, lawyers, soldiers, 168 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.440 women and men who have served. What reason do they 169 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.679 have to make something like this up. There's no reason 170 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.480 for it at all. I realized this is bigger than me, 171 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:10.360 and I need to do something. So in twenty nineteen, 172 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.399 after gathering as much data as I could, investigating areas 173 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.879 as much as I could, I decided to embark on 174 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.240 the social media platform. I've been an investigator for a 175 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.000 little over twenty five years now. However, social media has 176 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.440 really pushed us forward on our endeavors. So I started 177 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:31.279 to form a company called the Ropin Network. Robin devoted 178 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.679 to living pterodactyls, which most Clark not familiar the word terrorism. 179 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.600 So I decided to call it this because there's a 180 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:43.000 large amount of course of these creatures in other continents 181 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.600 but the world. And ever since I did that, things 182 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.360 have just exploded for me and for the company I 183 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.840 work with, who really what I'm doing. They've watched my debvors. 184 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:58.039 We've made something very profound and beautiful here where people 185 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.519 can come, they can listen and share their testimony, because 186 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.799 who else is really out there promoting the pterosaur phenomenon, 187 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.879 no what. As a matter of fact, the name tarosaur 188 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.679 goes over people's hinds. Brian. Most people think terodactyl when 189 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:17.720 they hear tarosaur. It isn't compete. Terodactyl is a universal work. 190 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:20.960 Tarosaur is not a universal word, but it is the 191 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.799 name for a creature that lives in pop New Gina 192 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:27.080 that they have seen over and over again. So I 193 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.080 decided to use that. And here I am, after all 194 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:34.519 these years, all this research, all these amazing testimonies, this 195 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.360 is where I bulow. This was my calling out. I 196 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:38.879 made a run of it. I'm just glad to be 197 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:40.919 able to be a voice for everybody else. And like you, 198 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.559 it's not about me, it's about them, and they're the 199 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.799 important person that helps smit this field what it is. 200 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.440 Let's get into some of your personal experiences, because you 201 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.120 have had your own experiences. Why don't you just start 202 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.039 with the first one. Take us back to where you were, 203 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.720 what you were doing, and tell us what happened to you. 204 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.559 Sure this went back to twenty twenty, I decided to 205 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.679 investigate the Yakama River in Washington State. Why Washington of 206 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.759 all places, really, but then to get wide up to 207 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.039 the northwest. There's a lot of Sasquatch sightings here in 208 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:15.240 Oregon to begin with a lot, So why this. There's 209 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:20.200 the experiences people were happening along that river system just 210 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.720 piqued by interest. So in twenty twenty July, me and 211 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.279 my young apprentice went out there just to get an 212 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:31.279 idea a lay of the land. And the Yakama River 213 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.960 is over two hundred miles long and there are over 214 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:38.039 forty variations of fish in this river system all times. 215 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:41.960 It's beautiful out there, but it feels also like another 216 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:45.559 place in time. If you look at an old dinosaur book, 217 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:50.799 those images are true to the landscape of Washington State. Now, 218 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.600 I know it's also a wine country, but the hills, 219 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.919 there's something unique about this place, very mysterious. But anyway, 220 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:00.279 in July we would have we set up cameras get 221 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.000 an idea of this landscape. We saw lots of avians 222 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.080 just feeding on the river system, just plucking the fish, 223 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:10.440 carrying them away the dutiful there's a night jars, there's 224 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.600 a hawks, there's a couple eagles that are out there 225 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.360 as well, different currents. So we stayed for a couple 226 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.039 of nights. On the first night is when things really 227 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:27.039 started to change. It is pitch black. There is no 228 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.240 moon to light the area, so all you have is 229 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:34.600 your night vision and your equipment and patience. So we're 230 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:38.559 out there. Eventually you're getting attacked by the insects thre 231 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.159 in the area, and these bucks are really big and 232 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.000 they're leaving huge welts on you. If you're not prepared 233 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.360 properly with a net suit, they will eat you alive. 234 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:54.600 So about one am we decided to train its some breast, 235 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.759 so we drove over to Horn Rapids Park park there, 236 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.200 but even then the insects were in the vehicle too, 237 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.799 and they were still getting at us. My good isn't 238 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:06.039 going to work. We're gonna have to go back to 239 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:07.919 base and we're gonna have to get more supplies and 240 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.120 come back, which is a doubter when you're investigating something. 241 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.559 It's frustrating, but we had to. So we drove through 242 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:19.480 Weber Canyon about round two am. Webber Canyon is isolating 243 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.559 and for anyone who's ever been there, ever known about this, 244 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:25.480 you'll understand what I'm talking about if he ever drives 245 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.320 in this area. This is around two am. We're driving 246 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:32.039 through the moonroof is open. It's very quiet, and I'm 247 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.720 going twenty miles an hour because i can't see squat. 248 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.000 Even though there's a road there and there's lots of 249 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.840 hills and I have good lighting, it still isn't that great, 250 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.080 so I'm going slower. And that's when I felt something 251 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:48.360 go over the vehicle, just hover above, and then I 252 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.799 heard this thing emit a sound that just blew me away, 253 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.240 and it made the hairs on the back of my 254 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.080 neck stand up, and it just passed overhead. But this 255 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.159 felt large because I could feel it, I could feel 256 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:03.200 its presence, a sound that it made. Just bloom me away. 257 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:06.879 And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll 258 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:08.840 be right back after these messages. 259 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:16.240 Some people would say, Brian, Okay, that's just probably a 260 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:19.360 different kind of bird, like a heron, because they're nocturnal. 261 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:23.120 Yes they are. I study avians for six years. I 262 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.320 know herons, I know Krantz. I've seen them. I seen 263 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.080 them at night and they fly away. They tell it's 264 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:33.159 a bird. Feathers clearedy Okay, they are big when they fly. 265 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.320 This was not it. I know the sounds that creans make, 266 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.879 herons make a lot of different sounds like birds make. 267 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.840 I cannot find this sound at all. I've taken this 268 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.840 to those who have had more experience in the avian 269 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:51.879 wildlife and they said that doesn't ring a bell at all. 270 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:55.559 And they're saying it's four and it's unknown, And I 271 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:59.600 agree because whatever this thing was, it was big, and 272 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.679 the sound that it may it was not caught. It 273 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:06.200 is exotic, and it has stay etched in my memory 274 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:09.080 all this time. So with the reports I've been hearing 275 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.240 from Washington State from what I found when I went 276 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.919 out there, it was enough to make me say something 277 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.960 is here, especially at these times of the day, of 278 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.200 this early morning hours, because if these creatures are nocturnal 279 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.639 like a bat, they're gonna feed early and they're gonna 280 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.320 feed late. There are reports of night jars being attacked, 281 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:32.240 popping sound when they eat them. Fam Most of these 282 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:36.120 wildlife avian types will scatter from the area at a 283 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:37.919 certain time of the night because they know how to 284 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.440 prepare for what's caught. And whatever these things are, there's 285 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.799 different variants whatever terrorisaur I believe them to be. They're 286 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.840 coming at certain times and that wildlife is scaped because 287 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.200 they know this is too much of a match for them. 288 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.120 That was one experience I had, So I took these 289 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.919 reports back to my comrades. And there's as likely that 290 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.519 you probably encomfort one of these things, because if you 291 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.440 heard it, you felt it, even at that speed you're 292 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.480 going at. Yes, it's very possible, very likely, depending on 293 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.880 the size of this thing too. The reports are the same. 294 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.640 By luminescence, these things can glow. They are perched on 295 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.039 the trees. One eyewitness confirm this when he saw it 296 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:23.400 in October. I think it was twenty fifteen. I could 297 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:25.920 be wrong, could have been sooner than that. But he 298 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.799 was driving through the yakimah Rimor in the same location 299 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.240 I was set up a base and as he was approaching, 300 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.519 this creature was on the side of him, the side 301 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.440 of his truck perched in the tree. And I first 302 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.119 kept looking at him, like, this's a very unique looking bird, 303 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.000 what is that? And then the turrets had looked at him. 304 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.880 Then he realized he saw the headcrest, the lungs, beak, 305 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.759 and realized that's not a bird, and they could see 306 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.000 clearly the rest of his mind start of seeing the skin, 307 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.839 the brown skin, the leathery wings, the smooth skip. What 308 00:17:55.960 --> 00:18:01.839 he probably came across was by flepling, which is termed 309 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:07.200 for young pterosaur or pterodactyl, because it was probably not 310 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:09.079 as huge as some of the other ones that it 311 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.880 was pershing in this particular tree. But he saw that 312 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:16.480 in am hours again feeding early, feeding a late, so 313 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:20.319 that only helps solidify what's out there in the Yakama River. 314 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.480 That's not really where it ended for me, though. I 315 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.680 kept getting more reports and I kept having more sightings 316 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:33.519 of this ability that they have. In October of twenty 317 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.480 twenty four here along where I live, my eyes are 318 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.160 always peeled to the sky, and I always tell everyone 319 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:43.920 you should be looking up, you should be examining the 320 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:46.559 sky wherever you are. You never know, and you could 321 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.279 see something out of the door and not seeing objects 322 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:53.440 that are more on the lines of uphology. People have 323 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.599 seen a lot of that as it is. This was 324 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.720 very unique, though. This thing was coming down the horizon 325 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:05.480 straight across and at first I thought, hey, look it's 326 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.039 a shooting star, and I paused, and it was excited, 327 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.680 but then it put on the brakes and then it 328 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:16.000 was gone, and it left a plaska trail. The first 329 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.920 thing that went to my head was, or others could think, 330 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:23.319 is that sounds reminiscent of a mythological creature called the phoenix, 331 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.960 where it leaves those sparks behind. But through the research 332 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.200 over the years, we're finding that these creatures are biable 333 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:34.079 essen and with this biline ability, they're leaving these almost 334 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:38.319 like these strange trails of plasma that's being left from 335 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.240 their ability. But this thing was scared something was overhead. 336 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.440 I think a plane that was above it, and that 337 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.799 you would think with a shooting star or something that's 338 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.720 coming downwards right. No, it was right on the path, 339 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:52.680 straight ahead, and it became scared as it saw something 340 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.079 above it. It stopped to slow down. It then disappeared 341 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:01.880 and left its remnants that blew me away. And you think, okay, look, 342 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:04.799 you just saw them, right. But the first thing that 343 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.839 went through my head was Denial, an investigator who's been 344 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:15.400 studying terosaurs, pterodactyl specimens, the fossils, things like that. You 345 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.759 never expect to actually see something with your own eyes, 346 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.440 but you do, and instead of welcoming it, I started 347 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.480 dismissing it, saying, no, I don't get that lucky, It's 348 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.680 not possible. But it happened. This was not a firework, 349 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.480 it was not a light. It was an actual organic 350 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:38.440 specimen flying in the area. And that just helps solidify 351 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.920 with all my fellow comrades have been saying all these 352 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:46.440 years when they've gone to Africa, when they've gone to 353 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:49.519 Papua New Guinea, when you hear a course of the Roman, 354 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:54.799 the Congamato, the Belusa, Maya, the core, all these different 355 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:58.440 names for these creatures on different parts of the world, 356 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.279 and why do they have these different It's very similar. 357 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.559 People know them by it. They're not gonna call the pterodactyls. 358 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.079 That's not the word they know. They know what they 359 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:10.720 call them by. So that was a second end shelter. 360 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.400 Ever since then, I had to fight with myself to 361 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.839 say I didn't really see it, even though I clearly 362 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.920 saw it from Investie. In standpoint, when you see something 363 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.599 for the first time, it does shake you and it 364 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:25.119 makes you think a little bit more, and then you 365 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.119 realize you're just blessed to be able to have seen 366 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:29.240 such a thing. That's part though. 367 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.519 Let's go back to the first siding that you had 368 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.640 of this creature. Even before that, you've talked about pterodactyls 369 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.559 versus pterosaurs. Can you give us the dime store tour, 370 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.599 give us the abridged version, if you will, of the 371 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.240 difference between those two creatures, because I know people are 372 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:50.200 listening to this right now going what the hell is 373 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.799 the difference in a pterodactyline terosaurs? So can you give 374 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.039 us the layman's breakdown of the difference in the two 375 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.319 creatures and what makes them different from one another? 376 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.319 Absolutely? As a matter of fact, Terra dactyl is first 377 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:07.480 established by those who found the fossil remnants. First named 378 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:13.200 tero for place with a finger, dactyl mean placement of finger, 379 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:17.440 Tero sore to soar. Okay, So you put the words 380 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:22.559 together terra dactyl tridactyl meeting three. So the word was 381 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:25.960 discovered first, and then later they realized that, hey, look, 382 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.480 there's so much more. These creatures are very adverse. There's 383 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:34.359 so much adversity to these creatures. They're big, they're small, 384 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:39.160 they're huge, they're humongous. They have different placements. For instance, 385 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.240 you're going to find that the ones with the tails 386 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:46.000 tend to have the three shaker. Okay, the ones that 387 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:52.359 are huge, like Terena, dol caets, a culpless Utomorphodon or ornett. 388 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.400 The chairus without the tails per se, are more like 389 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.559 the fingers like this, Okay, on top of the wings, 390 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.720 they're going to be over the humorous and metatarsal. So 391 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:09.039 halfway mark those are the larger versions. They realized that, hey, 392 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:11.920 look it is not logically correct, so we're going to 393 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.240 go with the word Taro's saw because these creatures are 394 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.000 known for soaring, not so much to flat, but to soar. 395 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.160 And they're correct on this because the way they flied 396 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:26.680 is not like you to the coal bird. When you 397 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.960 see something like this for the first time, you will 398 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.319 know the difference between bird and reptile. When you see it, 399 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:36.799 of course, it's going to blow your wind. That gives 400 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.880 you an understanding. So that's how they change that. One 401 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:43.119