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Earlier this week, Representative Carla Cunningham from Mecklenburg 11 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:42,399 broke with her fellow Democrats over enforcement of immigration laws. 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,960 Here's part of her floor speech. 13 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: We need to recognize that is not just the numbers 14 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:54,840 that matter, but also where the immigrants come from and 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,280 the culture they bring with them to another country. As 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:05,120 a social scientists report, all cultures are not equal. Some 17 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:11,000 immigrants come and believe they can function and isolation, refusing 18 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:15,400 to adapt. They have come to our country for many reasons, 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,879 but I suggest they must assimilate, adapt to the culture 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 of the country they wish to live in. 21 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:25,799 Speaker 1: All right, So that's the beginning of her speech. I 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,319 want to welcome to the program North Carolina State Senator 23 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:32,400 Caleb Tedrose. He is a Democrat from Mecklenburg County, and 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,799 welcome Senator. How are you good? 25 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:35,519 Speaker 3: Good? How are you? 26 00:01:35,599 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. So you 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,840 have a sub stack, I guess the newsletter or I 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,280 guess is it like part of your your comms shop. 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,120 I don't know. Is it something that you write on regularly? 30 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:52,439 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, okay, I have about a weekly update that 31 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:52,879 goes out. 32 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:56,599 Speaker 1: Gotcha, okay. So you posted essentially a response. It was 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,920 titled we built this too. No culture is less then, 34 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:04,159 and it begins by quoting Representative Cunningham, one of your 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,480 colleagues there in that floor speech when she said all 36 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:10,879 cultures are not equal, and you said in the in 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,639 the newsletter on substact that I want to be very 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,439 clear that kind of thinking has no place in North Carolina. So, 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,479 I guess at a at a higher philosophical level, I'm 40 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:25,080 just kind of interested in the in the understanding the 41 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:27,919 frame of mind, do you. So, I guess I should 42 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,080 start with asking do you think that every culture is equal? 43 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,000 Or can we yeah, can we judge by some objective 44 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,280 criteria that some cultures are better or worse than than others. 45 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:45,319 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it's funny we're bringing in philosophy or 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,000 pistemology here, but at the base of it is context. 47 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,879 In the context of the discussion, I found out her 48 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:55,159 words about culture are incorrect. And now if we want 49 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:58,159 to bring into philosophical views, I mean, sure that there 50 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:00,560 are cultures may three four hundred years ago that I 51 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:03,599 didn't necessarily agree. There may be some ideals about a 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,800 specific society, more so about their socioeconomic backgrounds and their 53 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,520 ideas that I don't necessarily agree about, but that's not 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,520 necessarily the case that we're talking about on the Senate floor. 55 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,280 And I just find a lot of the arguments that 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,360 I've been hearing are just kind of red herrings here. 57 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,439 The idea is that there's a specific bill that's essentially 58 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:24,120 stereotyping a lot of the immigrants coming into this country, 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,280 and any notions about culture not necessarily being equal or 60 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:32,759 some not being or shouldn't be respected as others are 61 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:34,719 incorrect in the context of our discussion. 62 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Well, what did the bill do to stereotype. 63 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:39,919 Speaker 4: Her comments? 64 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:43,719 Speaker 1: Oh, her comments stereotype I got you? Sorry? So all right, 65 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,759 So we do acknowledge, and so we agree that there 66 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:52,439 are aspects in all societies and all cultures where we 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,400 might look at them and say, from our perspective, that 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,879 is not that is not something we wish to do, 69 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:01,479 because that is not good in our understanding of what 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,520 good is right In some cultures, you know, women don't 71 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,960 have equality under the law, for example, and I think 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,560 we would both agree like that that's not a that 73 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:12,639 culture would not be superior to ours where we do 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,120 recognize equal rights for women, Like. 75 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: Certain cultures, like you know, certain societies that value rich 76 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:25,759 people and taking resources from the lower middle class and 77 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,399 giving it to the ridge. Those are things I would 78 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:30,600 say that we don't necessarily agree about. So one hundred percent, Yeah, 79 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,759 there are ideas that a group of people can have 80 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:35,600 that we don't have to agree with for sure. 81 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,519 Speaker 1: Right. So in the so you said that she was 82 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,680 stereotyping people in her comments. So what what did she say. 83 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,199 Speaker 4: That's any context of the bill precisely right? 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,399 Speaker 1: What did she say? Because I've listened to the floor 85 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:49,920 speech a couple of times, and I don't know if 86 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,519 I heard anything that was stereotypical. What did I miss? 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,199 Speaker 4: That there is a bill on the floor right now, 88 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,079 looking to give what I think are additional unconstitutional powers 89 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:02,920 for our local authorities to continue to work with ICE. 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 And there's been a giant stereo type of the type 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,720 of folks that have been picked up and essentially kidnapped 92 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,160 out of this country. And so, I mean, you have 93 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,120 certain comments about, like these are violent criminals when we've 94 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,399 seen that only about eight percent of the folks picked 95 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,000 up from ICE have committed any kind of violent to crime. 96 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,199 And so, yeah, what I'm pointing out is to the 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,360 logical fallacies that she has provided to justify her vote 98 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,319 on that specific bill. Now, like people are sort of 99 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,560 acting like there's no context here. Her comments were about 100 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,600 a specific bill. Not within the past five hundred years 101 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:38,480 of human history has there been unequal college cultures that existed. 102 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,759 Speaker 1: Right, Well, I thought she was talking largely about the 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:48,639 illegal immigration issue. Sure, yeah, right, So and do we 104 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,199 agree that there is a difference between legal and illegal 105 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,120 immigration when it comes to this kind of enforcement. 106 00:05:56,879 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, yes, right, okay, so yeah, go ahead. 107 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: No, yeah, So if she's what she it sounded to 108 00:06:04,959 --> 00:06:10,000 me like she was arguing that illegal immigration is not 109 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,879 being enforced and there is a push inside I guess 110 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:20,439 your party that conflates the legal with the illegal and 111 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:28,040 then gets the party to prioritize all illegal alien illegal 112 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:32,519 immigrant issues to the detriment or at the expense of 113 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,560 issues that she thinks should be more front and center. 114 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:38,519 That's what I got from it. 115 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: A very generous interpretation, But there seems to be some 116 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,399 substance in currently what you're saying. Yes, there should be 117 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:49,319 a broader conversation about especially the laws that we have 118 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,600 in this country, the treatment of both legal and illegal 119 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:56,199 immigrants one hundred percent, but coma she continues to talk 120 00:06:56,199 --> 00:07:00,319 about something like culture being as the specific reason why 121 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,879 we have some of these laws and these inequities inadequacies, 122 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,399 And so that's what I disagree with everything you just said. 123 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,040 I'm not sure if I have a disagreement about that. 124 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,600 There needs to be additional laws, there needs to be 125 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:13,800 more clarity over the laws. There needs to be an 126 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,959 even distinguished between those who are migrating here within the 127 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,680 legal bounds of the US system and without but bringing 128 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,480 in culture. And I'm sure we've taken a philosophical view 129 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,519 of this. I'm sure you've seen historically what sort of 130 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,839 arguments that people have made in justifying certain actions and 131 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:32,319 saying that this culture is inherently better than others. 132 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,639 Speaker 1: Well, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I understand that. 133 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,360 And when you said that this way of thinking has 134 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,560 no place in North Carolina, it sounded like almost like 135 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,439 you're making the same argument that you're objecting to, namely, 136 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,560 that a culture that views all cultures as equal, that 137 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,959 that is superior to one that sees itself as better 138 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,720 than others. Right, Like you're advocating that, like we have 139 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,920 a culture that like we don't see anybody better than us, 140 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:02,800 and we're not better than anyone else, and that way 141 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,319 of thinking doesn't belong here. Well, like that that is 142 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,399 an example of the thing that it sounded like you 143 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:09,079 were objecting to. 144 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,879 Speaker 4: Now, No, it's merely pointing out that the expansion of 145 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,399 not only America, but even North Carolina has been the 146 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:20,560 fact that people have different backgrounds and come from different 147 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,639 locations and that have come into the state to progress, 148 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,519 economic development, et cetera, etc. It's in that differentiation that 149 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:31,639 makes our ideas of pursuing certain values a plus, and 150 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:38,200 her making comments about specific cultures not being on the 151 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,279 same part as others was anti setical to that idea. 152 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,679 But again, the statement is in context of the actual 153 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,320 bill that we're discussing. We're sort of it's a two 154 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:51,080 minute speech and we're creating thesiss out of her comments. 155 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:52,679 At the end of the day, it's a bill that 156 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,799 didn't necessarily make sense and a justification that didn't make 157 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,720 sense as well, And I'm merely calling out the whole package. 158 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: Right, So, no, I understand. Like I said, we played 159 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,559 her entire speech the day she made it on the show, 160 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,039 and I went back and listened to it again. And 161 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,639 you said in your piece that this country strength has 162 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,200 always come from the mix, the clash, and the blend 163 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,759 of cultures, histories and ideas that form something bigger than 164 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:20,440 any one of us. And I agree, But I kind 165 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,960 of feel like that's what she said also, that immigrants 166 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,879 should assimilate to the culture that exists in the nation 167 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,360 to which they immigrate, Like there's a reason why people 168 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,799 want to come to this country, and it is not 169 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:36,240 to as she said, you know, isolate, you know, function 170 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,679 in isolation, refused to adapt. Right, What that was the 171 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,600 context that I gathered from her comments. What do you 172 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,360 say to the assimilation point. 173 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, but the assimilation piece, like you the question of Hanly, 174 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,799 can you make an argument that what she is saying 175 00:09:55,399 --> 00:09:57,919 sounds like a plus. Sure, I can make that argument, 176 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:00,200 but it has to be viewed within the context of 177 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,759 her comic. And so when you're taking bits and pieces 178 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:05,440 in a sentence and you're saying, judge this sentence on 179 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:07,919 its own, do you think it's fair or not? Sure? 180 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,000 You can make the argument on either side. But what 181 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:13,879 I'm trying to say is that statement about assimilation was 182 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,919 in a broader statement that she made, which included words 183 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,159 and phrases that I disagreed with, against an actual bill 184 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,519 that I also disagreed with. 185 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: All Right, well, I guess we're gonna yeah, but no, 186 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:29,799 And I know you have said that you're viewing it 187 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,399 in this context, but I have not heard what that 188 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:35,879 context is that I'm supposed to be viewing this. 189 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 4: Through that it's a bill. 190 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,639 Speaker 1: No, I understand the bill, but she's said but what 191 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,639 she is arguing, what she argued for, is why she's 192 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,240 supporting the bill. And she's talking about the illegal immigration problem, 193 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,639 the failure to adapt and assimilate. There's, you know, the 194 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,639 record breaking numbers of people that have come in she's 195 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:56,639 seeing in her district and you may have seen the same, 196 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,120 like self isolation of these these different communities that come 197 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:04,000 from all over the world. It sounded like that's what 198 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:06,279 she was saying, But you're saying there's some other context 199 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:09,159 to her comments, and I don't know what the other 200 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,799 as you called it, stereo context. 201 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not even necessarily context. Right now. You just 202 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:17,639 repeated the same question essentially four or five times and 203 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,320 skipped the entire part that she mentioned culture. You went 204 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,120 straight to the assimilation and justifying it for why she 205 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:25,279 supports the bill. You haven't even mentioned the culture part. 206 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,240 I keep having to read bring that up here. 207 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,799 Speaker 1: I started with the culture part. That was the first 208 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:30,120 thing I. 209 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:32,039 Speaker 4: Asked you questions we are about a simulation. So I'm 210 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:34,120 trying to tell you is that you're also missing part 211 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:35,840 of the context in your question. 212 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,879 Speaker 1: The culture is the context. The question I asked you 213 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:42,480 was I asked if you think every culture. I asked 214 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,639 you if every culture is equal? And then we agreed 215 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,519 that no, there are different aspects to different cultures that 216 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,279 we would not consider to be better than ours. And 217 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,480 so I took that as a point of agreement that 218 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,639 that's what we all agreed we were talking about exactly. 219 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,519 Speaker 4: So if we agreed to it, and then you're supposed 220 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:00,440 to use it in your question as well, said, all 221 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,440 she was trying to say is dot dot dot, and 222 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,440 that did not repeat the part about the culture, the 223 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,639 part that I disagree with, and in addition, we seem 224 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,320 to have agreed with it on a philosophical basis, that 225 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,879 there can be serre and outliers and cultures that we 226 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:16,200 don't agree with. They're in existence, yes, but in the 227 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:19,000 context of how she was speaking, I would disagree with that. 228 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,360 I don't know if we agree with it to that extent, right, Well, 229 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,639 she brought it up in the questions as well. 230 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:27,879 Speaker 1: Well. I mentioned the culture that some cultures don't view 231 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:31,159 women as equal under the law. I mean, we can 232 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:36,240 talk about honor killings, days being murdered, child marriage, female 233 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:41,240 genital mutilation. That's no. No, you know you wanted me 234 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,759 to talk about the cultural thing. So I'm giving you 235 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,799 different examples of the things that we would not we 236 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,840 would not appreciate as our culture. 237 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,519 Speaker 4: The cultural thing in context of life, yes, which is 238 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:54,320 what we're talking about, because we're talking about a bill. 239 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,480 She didn't go and write a thesis on culture here. No, 240 00:12:57,919 --> 00:13:00,519 I think that argument is more appropriate for what she's 241 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,279 talking about is a specific line within culture in the 242 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,320 context of a speech that has to do with a 243 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,399 bill that was up for debate. And so when you're 244 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:10,919 saying that there are cultures in existence, what we're talking 245 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:13,519 about is in the context that she brought up. 246 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we're just going in circles on 247 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,039 this because I haven't gotten any real specifics on what 248 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,559 it is that you think she said that was so objectionable, 249 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:25,480 just her mention of the word that she said that 250 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,159 the old cultures aren't equal. 251 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:29,879 Speaker 4: But I explained to you what cultures had to do 252 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,879 with the definition of North Carolina, how we've progressed. You 253 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:36,480 didn't necessarily agree with that response. But I answer your question, 254 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:37,840 all right. 255 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: Well, I've already kept you longer then I asked you to. 256 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:43,120 You're free to stick around if you'd like to continue 257 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,799 and try to flesh this out. I'm happy to hold 258 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:47,080 you over through the break if you want. But I 259 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,320 know I've already taken up a lot of your time. 260 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:51,000 It's totally your faultlease refract. 261 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,519 Speaker 4: I'm more than happy to jump that call. 262 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:57,039 Speaker 1: Okay, all right. Caleb Tedros, Senator from Mecklenburg County District 263 00:13:57,039 --> 00:14:00,919 forty one, right, district forty one. Yeah, okay, all right, well, 264 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:03,080 thank you for your time, sir, I appreciate it. 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And that is the only quote, by 296 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:03,639 the way of Cunningham's speech that he used in this post. 297 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:08,320 So he was saying I was missing context, But I've 298 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,120 listened to her speech multiple times I've pulled the audio 299 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:18,679 clips and like I was somehow missing all of the context. 300 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:24,799 But I actually quoted her, played her SoundBite, listened to 301 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:28,720 what she was saying, developed questions and what is she like? 302 00:16:28,759 --> 00:16:33,120 What is she saying, and what is the idea behind 303 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:39,159 these thoughts. That's how I constructed my interview questions to 304 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,559 try to get at that higher level thing. Because he 305 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:44,159 said all cultures are he quoted her saying all cultures 306 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:45,480 are not equal, and he says, I want to be 307 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,360 very clear, that kind of thinking has no place in 308 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:53,240 North Carolina. Well, so now there's what that there is 309 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,720 a is there a cultural norm that says you're not 310 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:59,639 allowed to say all cultures are not equal? You're saying 311 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:02,879 that has no place here. That's a you know, that 312 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:09,920 is laying down a that's laying down a standard, setting 313 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,720 a standard that everybody should adopt. Right that we all 314 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,599 should we all should agree that that kind of thinking 315 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,640 has no place in North Carolina. But that would also 316 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:26,519 be a cultural standard then, and that would be better. 317 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:30,440 I would assume in Senator Ted Rose's thinking that that 318 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,640 would be better than a culture that does allow that thinking, 319 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:37,920 which would then undermine the argument that all cultures are equal. 320 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,720 But he that's why I started off asking him that, 321 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:46,200 and he said, no, he would recognize that that they're not. Well, 322 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,240 that's not what he wrote the thing about, that's not 323 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:55,920 what he wrote this piece about. Mix says that Gentleman 324 00:17:56,039 --> 00:17:58,799 was a perfect example of a politician who spoke a 325 00:17:58,839 --> 00:18:01,720 lot of words and absolutely nothing. Yeah, no, I was. 326 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,960 I admit I was a bit confused trying to understand 327 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,160 what it was that he was, what he was trying 328 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,440 to say, because everything just kind of got lumped into 329 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:14,559 culture or context response and there wasn't any there's no 330 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:19,240 meat on the bones, so to speak. Now, I did 331 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:23,200 pull his bio. He studied economics and political science, and 332 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,720 so maybe that's part of the disconnect. I studied brought 333 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:31,880 mass communication, political science, and philosophy. So maybe that's maybe 334 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,640 that's why we were kind of talking past each other. 335 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,880 I don't know. 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Let's 356 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:43,640 go to the phones and chat with Jerry. Hello, Jerry, 357 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:45,599 Hey Pte. 358 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,839 Speaker 5: I I wanted to tell you, Uh, I feel a 359 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,920 little dumber listening to that guy, and I just want 360 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,000 to ask a favor. Stop putting the Democrats on the radio. Oh, 361 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,640 those people have no I idea what they're talking about. 362 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:07,920 They beat the Bush, around the around the whole context 363 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:12,599 of the situation. I'm just tired of the Democrats. 364 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,759 Speaker 1: Peete, Well, look you got you don't If you don't 365 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,440 know your opponent's argument, then you really don't know your 366 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,279 own either. And that's why I read and I listened 367 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,680 to people who disagree with me, and that's why I 368 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,640 was trying to have a conversation with him about what 369 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,480 specifically he was arguing for in this piece, because he 370 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:37,920 quoted his Democrat colleague as saying all cultures are not equal, 371 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,559 and he says that kind of thinking has no place 372 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,359 in North Carolina, which would indicate that he thinks all 373 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,039 all cultures are equal. But then he immediately said that no, 374 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,440 they're you know, the different cultures. No, it's not, that's 375 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,640 not really the case. So it sort of undermined the 376 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,440 whole point of what he had what he wrote at 377 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,480 his substack piece, and they are Yeah, look, I've never 378 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:05,599 spoken to him, I've never seen any interviews with him 379 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,160 on anything, So I just I went into it with 380 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,920 good faith just to ask him, like, you know, why 381 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,519 why are you making this argument. Let's let's talk about 382 00:21:13,519 --> 00:21:16,000 this this argument, and. 383 00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 5: Well, look, I don't want you to think I think 384 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:20,960 it's your fault. You're awesome. 385 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: Well I booked you show, thank you, Jerry. But I 386 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,720 did book him. It is kind of my fault I did. 387 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:30,279 I did book him on the show. So yeah, man, 388 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:34,359 I appreciate the yes, sir, take care. Let's see. Let 389 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,400 me go to the text line driven my liberty bo GMC. 390 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,519 Our country, this is from Derek. Our country used to 391 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:45,920 be a melting pot. People came here and dissimilated to 392 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,720 the country, all learned the language and work together and 393 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:53,759 build communities. Are well, not all there. I know there 394 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:57,039 are people that that immigranted, like they never learned English. 395 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,119 They were you know, the grandparents or something, and they 396 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,240 never learned English, but they made sure their kids did. 397 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:05,720 And by the way, Senator tedros is the son of immigrants. 398 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,920 They fled a war zone and they came to America 399 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,480 and so like and so. But he was you know, 400 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:19,240 born and raised here, I believe. So. Anyway, back to 401 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,960 Derek's text line message, our country is now a tossed 402 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,200 salad where everything is an individual piece and they don't 403 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:31,440 melt together and they don't work together. This is just 404 00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:35,920 from an anonymous who is this contextual cultural more Okay, 405 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:41,000 that's make him stop. Jane says, not very smart. That 406 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,680 guy is a senator, sounded more like a DEI agent. 407 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,359 Another Texter says, I have no idea what question the 408 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:59,400 senator actually answered? That's from Liz. I already turned him 409 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,240 off twice. All the traffic lights are out in Indian 410 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,079 Trail on Highway seventy four at Indian Trail Road, So 411 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,519 heads up on that. You can you can send a 412 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:14,319 text right our traffic. Oh, it's down. Never mind, never mind, 413 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,400 that gentleman was a perfect example of a politician. Oh, 414 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,200 I read that one from Mick already spoke a lot 415 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:30,440 and said absolutely nothing. Context context, context quote. Gray says, 416 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,839 good lord, what the heck just happened with that call? No, 417 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,440 it was an interview, Like I said, I read his piece. 418 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,720 It was blasted out from his his legislative assistant and said, 419 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,680 if you would like to speak with him about this piece, 420 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:44,559 let us know, and I said I would. I read 421 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:46,079 the piece and I said I would like to speak 422 00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:52,000 with you about the peace, and they agreed. So Kevin says, 423 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,759 I bet he would have understood what I bet we 424 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,960 would have understood what he was trying to say if 425 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:04,880 only he had a beard. Uh, he does have a beard. 426 00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:08,680 I don't know. Maybe that's a flaw in the strategy 427 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:11,160 that they're gonna get, you know, grow facial here and 428 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,880 that's gonna that was one of the tactics that the 429 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,400 Democrats are exploring. Pete, referring to the North Carolina senator 430 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,119 from Mecklelberg County. I did not think this was possible. 431 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:27,039 But word Salagarry, his word Salagary is worse than cackle 432 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:34,880 and kamalos. That is from Chris and that's what democrats 433 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,920 do and turns it all around. 434 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: Hm. 435 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:43,279 Speaker 1: Okay, And here's the story that the NPR story was 436 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,400 talking about the magic bullet to help Democrats win. What 437 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,039 do beards tell us about power politics and how we 438 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:55,359 see each other? It was on one a to Pete 439 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,359 love the fact that the state senator thinks he knows 440 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,599 what State Senator Carla Cunningham was implying while she voted 441 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,920 to override Josh Stein's veto she didn't fall in lockstep 442 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,119 with the Democrats. So good for her speaking her own 443 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,640 mind and not being a sheep. Why didn't he stick 444 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,119 around for another segment? Could it be that he didn't 445 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,400 realize you do your homework. I loved the show. Thanks 446 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,720 for what you do to make the day, gaining more knowledge, 447 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,000 getting labs and very entertaining. Well, thank you. I appreciate 448 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:25,839 that this way of thinking should not be allowed in 449 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,359 North Carolina. Let the Democrats keep doing what they're doing. 450 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:30,880 It's the gift that keeps on giving. 451 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,079 Speaker 4: Yeah. 452 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: See, that's the thing you got to keep in mind here. 453 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,160 I have an incentive show prep rob from Charlotte. Are 454 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,519 you sure that wasn't Tony, No, it was not. I 455 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:47,119 booked it. No, Like I said, I read his piece 456 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,000 was It was titled we built this too, No culture 457 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,319 is less than and he started with this quote of 458 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,279 Carla Cunningham when she said all cultures are not equal. 459 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,880 I played the sound bite so you get the fo 460 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:08,039 context of the of her statement, and she said specifically 461 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:14,160 was she followed that up with groups of people coming 462 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,400 here and not assimilating, not adapting to their new homeland. Right, 463 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:22,960 And that's what she talked about. Now, I don't know 464 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,519 if she meant something else, Like, I'm not divining a 465 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,599 motivation or motive in any of her statements. I'm just 466 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,359 listening to what she is saying. And that's why when 467 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,799 he said she was stereotyping, Like, I didn't hear any 468 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:40,079 of that. I mean, like, I feel like I'm pretty 469 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,000 good at listening to politicians talk and then sussing out, 470 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:47,240 you know, stereotyping and that sort of thing. 471 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: I do it. 472 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,519 Speaker 1: I've been doing it for like thirty years, so I 473 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,160 kind of feel like I know what I'm doing on that. 474 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,400 But I didn't hear her say anything about stereotypes. She 475 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,279 never mentioned any specific stereotypes, and so I don't That's 476 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:02,640 what I was asking about. And the reason this is 477 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000 important real quick I will tell you is that she 478 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,839 is now being rebuked by her fellow Democrats after that speech, 479 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,279 and Tedros is one of them. You know, stories are powerful. 480 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:17,440 They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. 481 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,960 Stories connect us to the people of our past while 482 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,440 transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, 483 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,359 and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve 484 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,839 your stories with Creative Video started in nineteen ninety seven 485 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,680 and Minhill, North Carolina. 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They 495 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,759 are your life told through the eyes of everyone around 496 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,039 you and all who came before you, and they will 497 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:14,400 tell others to come who you are. Visit Creative video 498 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,000 dot com. Email to Pete at vpetecleanershow dot com. It's 499 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,079 a Pete mail from John in Jersey. He says, you, 500 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,240 my friend, have the patients of job. Couldn't address assimilation, 501 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,920 He couldn't address illegal immigration. This was one of the 502 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,559 most convoluted word dances that I've heard a politician try 503 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,759 to do with you. So illegal immigration of possible terrorists 504 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:39,200 or gang members or folks who simply don't want to 505 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,880 mutilate their daughters as acceptable to the senator. Thanks, but 506 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,400 I'll take the plane. Spoken descendant of slaves, Carla Cunningham, 507 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,519 she at least made sense, and then John says, is 508 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:53,839 it possible that the senator heard a dog whistle and 509 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,359 was all hyped up and couldn't make a coherent point. 510 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:58,519 Speaker 4: That's it might be a too. Look. 511 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,599 Speaker 1: The reason I asked him about culture was because the 512 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,319 title of his newsletter was we built this to No 513 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,799 culture is less than So I asked him, is that 514 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,799 like defend that? Basically because I think there are cultures 515 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:14,880 that are that are not as good as other cultures. 516 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,440 So not that every culture doesn't have problems, but there 517 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,240 are some that I would check a box and say, yeah, 518 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,480 I think we're better than that. Donald, Welcome to the show. 519 00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:29,839 Speaker 4: Donald, Hello, Pete. 520 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: You know, listen to your program. I'm really devel I 521 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,839 get a lot of satisfaction. Well, thank you, And you 522 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:47,599 were certainly you were certainly zoned in to what the 523 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,279 conversation should have been about, and he was nebulous. It 524 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,519 didn't seem to have any concept. You know, some people 525 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,720 like to just argue, well, he is. 526 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: A political science made and as one who study that too, 527 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,720 that is, you eventually realize that they do just like 528 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:05,519 to argue. 529 00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: Yes, right, well, and you're pollisci and I likewise will 530 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,519 pollysci but you know, get to get to the point 531 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:23,079 and make it and defend it, and he cannot do it. 532 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 So yeah, anyway, thank. 533 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,319 Speaker 5: You, Peter. 534 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Donald, I appreciate the call, sir. Good to hear 535 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,400 from you. I appreciate the kind words, you know. I 536 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,400 was just trying to Yeah, I was just asking him 537 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,640 about what he wrote. He went on to say, to 538 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,559 claim that some cultures are simply less than is not 539 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,599 just divisive, it's dangerous, and I would I mean, yes, 540 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:49,359 taken to an extreme, sure, but it's not dangerous. It's 541 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,680 not divisive to say, Okay, you have a cultural norm 542 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,880 from where you come and we don't accept that cultural norm. 543 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,119 There's a big deal like in France for example, where 544 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:04,880 it's a staunchly secular nation, right, and they had the 545 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:08,880 fight with their with the Muslim population that was coming 546 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,960 in and they were like, we want to wear the 547 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,759 head coverings and the you know, the burkas and stuff 548 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,119 for our driver's license photos, and like, no, you can't 549 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,279 do that, Like that's our cultural norm. You don't get 550 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,559 to do that because we value this thing. Now, if 551 00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:28,039 you don't like that value, then okay, but you don't 552 00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:31,920 have to be here. You know, and he goes on 553 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,039 to say it reveals a breathtaking misunderstanding of what actually 554 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:40,119 makes America work. These aren't throwaway words. They insult immigrants. Again, 555 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,440 I did not hear any insults from Carla Cunningham about immigrants. 556 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,240 She was talking about illegal immigration and the inability to 557 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:55,000 assimilate that many people, and there are there are groups 558 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,519 of people. There are illegal immigrants, maybe legal immigrants as well, 559 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,359 that come in and they do not choose to assimilate. 560 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,920 In fact, I just saw a story this morning of 561 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,279 a guy who has been here for twenty years illegally, 562 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,240 and his wife said that he refused to ever try 563 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:14,720 to seek asylum or anything like that because he didn't 564 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,960 because of pride. That's what he said, pride in his homeland. 565 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,480 So okay, well now you're going to go back there, 566 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,079 so you know, those are those are decisions people make. 567 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:31,200 He says. These words insult black families. They insult every 568 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,680 community that's fought to be seen, heard, and respected. I'm 569 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,279 both a proud Black American and the child of immigrants. 570 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,799 I know how powerful it is when different identities co 571 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,319 exist in one person and in one country. Our communities 572 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:48,160 don't move forward by ranking whose culture deserves more dignity. 573 00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,400 She never said that either. See, this is what I like, 574 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,000 he said. At one point I think there that he 575 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,039 was like a saying, I'm only taking one sentence or something, 576 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,240 and it's like, but you're just you're responding to stuff 577 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,400 that she never said. You're almost like quoting her and 578 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,319 she never said these things. And then that's when he said, Oh, 579 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:11,960 it's the context of it, the context of the bill. 580 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,519 But the bill doesn't do that either. It just says 581 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:20,839 sheriffs have to cooperate fully with ice. So yeah, so 582 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,880 I guess I was confused and reading the piece, and 583 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,160 now I'm even more confused after listening to the explanations. 584 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,680 I don't know. We move forward, he says, when we 585 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:36,519 recognize that every culture brings something to the table. Sure, no, 586 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,240 that's fine, you get every Yeah. Look, I grew up 587 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,799 in New York. I am very aware of multiculturalism and 588 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720 the different groups of people. I mean, New York is 589 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:51,480 a city of immigrants, so very aware of this. 590 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:52,559 Speaker 4: Like it. 591 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,759 Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with it. I'm for legal immigration. I 592 00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,400 want a lot of legal immigration, but I want the 593 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,680 people to be vetted so that they're not going to 594 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,400 become wards of the state, and that they actually are 595 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,839 coming here to participate in the American project because they 596 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:11,360 agree with the idea of what America is. Well, Carla 597 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,400 Cunningham is now getting a bunch of flack from her 598 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,719 fellow Democrats. They've been attacking her. Democrats in the Senate 599 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,079 slammed her comments. The Senate leader Sidney Batch called her 600 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:31,679 remarks ridiculous and absolutely uncalled for the very fact that 601 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,960 you would say that not all people or not all 602 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,599 immigrants are equal. No, she said cultures. She didn't say 603 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,679 all immigrants, and in fact she never even said illegal 604 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,320 immigrants or legal immigrants. Once again, you guys keep conflating 605 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,480 these two population sets, and they are different. She says, 606 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,840 it's contrary to how this country was formed. This country 607 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,960 was formed because of Native Americans, blacks and were enslaved 608 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,519 and immigrants, including every single person that was here other 609 00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,920 than Native Americans. And so to say that we are 610 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440 not equal goes and flies in the face of anything 611 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,199 that a Democrat believes and holds near and dear. I 612 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:07,679 don't know why she said it. I don't know what's 613 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,440 going on with her what she said. That's Sydney Batch 614 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,519 that's the leader of the Democrats in the Senate. She 615 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,719 did not say people aren't equal. She never said that. 616 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,440 She was talking about cultural norms, people bringing things. Do 617 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,960 you remember there was the big brawl among Eritreans. They 618 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:32,960 bring their sectarian histories with them here and then they 619 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,719 act out here on those histories, and so that's part 620 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,639 of this equation as well. 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