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broke with her fellow Democrats over enforcement of immigration laws.
Here's part of her floor speech.
Speaker 2: We need to recognize that is not just the numbers
that matter, but also where the immigrants come from and
the culture they bring with them to another country. As
a social scientists report, all cultures are not equal. Some
immigrants come and believe they can function and isolation, refusing
to adapt. They have come to our country for many reasons,
but I suggest they must assimilate, adapt to the culture
of the country they wish to live in.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's the beginning of her speech. I
want to welcome to the program North Carolina State Senator
Caleb Tedrose. He is a Democrat from Mecklenburg County, and
welcome Senator. How are you good?
Speaker 3: Good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. So you
have a sub stack, I guess the newsletter or I
guess is it like part of your your comms shop.
I don't know. Is it something that you write on regularly?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, okay, I have about a weekly update that
goes out.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, okay. So you posted essentially a response. It was
titled we built this too. No culture is less then,
and it begins by quoting Representative Cunningham, one of your
colleagues there in that floor speech when she said all
cultures are not equal, and you said in the in
the newsletter on substact that I want to be very
clear that kind of thinking has no place in North Carolina. So,
I guess at a at a higher philosophical level, I'm
just kind of interested in the in the understanding the
frame of mind, do you. So, I guess I should
start with asking do you think that every culture is equal?
Or can we yeah, can we judge by some objective
criteria that some cultures are better or worse than than others.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it's funny we're bringing in philosophy or
pistemology here, but at the base of it is context.
In the context of the discussion, I found out her
words about culture are incorrect. And now if we want
to bring into philosophical views, I mean, sure that there
are cultures may three four hundred years ago that I
didn't necessarily agree. There may be some ideals about a
specific society, more so about their socioeconomic backgrounds and their
ideas that I don't necessarily agree about, but that's not
necessarily the case that we're talking about on the Senate floor.
And I just find a lot of the arguments that
I've been hearing are just kind of red herrings here.
The idea is that there's a specific bill that's essentially
stereotyping a lot of the immigrants coming into this country,
and any notions about culture not necessarily being equal or
some not being or shouldn't be respected as others are
incorrect in the context of our discussion.
Speaker 1: Well, what did the bill do to stereotype.
Speaker 4: Her comments?
Speaker 1: Oh, her comments stereotype I got you? Sorry? So all right,
So we do acknowledge, and so we agree that there
are aspects in all societies and all cultures where we
might look at them and say, from our perspective, that
is not that is not something we wish to do,
because that is not good in our understanding of what
good is right In some cultures, you know, women don't
have equality under the law, for example, and I think
we would both agree like that that's not a that
culture would not be superior to ours where we do
recognize equal rights for women, Like.
Speaker 4: Certain cultures, like you know, certain societies that value rich
people and taking resources from the lower middle class and
giving it to the ridge. Those are things I would
say that we don't necessarily agree about. So one hundred percent, Yeah,
there are ideas that a group of people can have
that we don't have to agree with for sure.
Speaker 1: Right. So in the so you said that she was
stereotyping people in her comments. So what what did she say.
Speaker 4: That's any context of the bill precisely right?
Speaker 1: What did she say? Because I've listened to the floor
speech a couple of times, and I don't know if
I heard anything that was stereotypical. What did I miss?
Speaker 4: That there is a bill on the floor right now,
looking to give what I think are additional unconstitutional powers
for our local authorities to continue to work with ICE.
And there's been a giant stereo type of the type
of folks that have been picked up and essentially kidnapped
out of this country. And so, I mean, you have
certain comments about, like these are violent criminals when we've
seen that only about eight percent of the folks picked
up from ICE have committed any kind of violent to crime.
And so, yeah, what I'm pointing out is to the
logical fallacies that she has provided to justify her vote
on that specific bill. Now, like people are sort of
acting like there's no context here. Her comments were about
a specific bill. Not within the past five hundred years
of human history has there been unequal college cultures that existed.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I thought she was talking largely about the
illegal immigration issue. Sure, yeah, right, So and do we
agree that there is a difference between legal and illegal
immigration when it comes to this kind of enforcement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, yes, right, okay, so yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, So if she's what she it sounded to
me like she was arguing that illegal immigration is not
being enforced and there is a push inside I guess
your party that conflates the legal with the illegal and
then gets the party to prioritize all illegal alien illegal
immigrant issues to the detriment or at the expense of
issues that she thinks should be more front and center.
That's what I got from it.
Speaker 4: A very generous interpretation, But there seems to be some
substance in currently what you're saying. Yes, there should be
a broader conversation about especially the laws that we have
in this country, the treatment of both legal and illegal
immigrants one hundred percent, but coma she continues to talk
about something like culture being as the specific reason why
we have some of these laws and these inequities inadequacies,
And so that's what I disagree with everything you just said.
I'm not sure if I have a disagreement about that.
There needs to be additional laws, there needs to be
more clarity over the laws. There needs to be an
even distinguished between those who are migrating here within the
legal bounds of the US system and without but bringing
in culture. And I'm sure we've taken a philosophical view
of this. I'm sure you've seen historically what sort of
arguments that people have made in justifying certain actions and
saying that this culture is inherently better than others.
Speaker 1: Well, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I understand that.
And when you said that this way of thinking has
no place in North Carolina, it sounded like almost like
you're making the same argument that you're objecting to, namely,
that a culture that views all cultures as equal, that
that is superior to one that sees itself as better
than others. Right, Like you're advocating that, like we have
a culture that like we don't see anybody better than us,
and we're not better than anyone else, and that way
of thinking doesn't belong here. Well, like that that is
an example of the thing that it sounded like you
were objecting to.
Speaker 4: Now, No, it's merely pointing out that the expansion of
not only America, but even North Carolina has been the
fact that people have different backgrounds and come from different
locations and that have come into the state to progress,
economic development, et cetera, etc. It's in that differentiation that
makes our ideas of pursuing certain values a plus, and
her making comments about specific cultures not being on the
same part as others was anti setical to that idea.
But again, the statement is in context of the actual
bill that we're discussing. We're sort of it's a two
minute speech and we're creating thesiss out of her comments.
At the end of the day, it's a bill that
didn't necessarily make sense and a justification that didn't make
sense as well, And I'm merely calling out the whole package.
Speaker 1: Right, So, no, I understand. Like I said, we played
her entire speech the day she made it on the show,
and I went back and listened to it again. And
you said in your piece that this country strength has
always come from the mix, the clash, and the blend
of cultures, histories and ideas that form something bigger than
any one of us. And I agree, But I kind
of feel like that's what she said also, that immigrants
should assimilate to the culture that exists in the nation
to which they immigrate, Like there's a reason why people
want to come to this country, and it is not
to as she said, you know, isolate, you know, function
in isolation, refused to adapt. Right, What that was the
context that I gathered from her comments. What do you
say to the assimilation point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the assimilation piece, like you the question of Hanly,
can you make an argument that what she is saying
sounds like a plus. Sure, I can make that argument,
but it has to be viewed within the context of
her comic. And so when you're taking bits and pieces
in a sentence and you're saying, judge this sentence on
its own, do you think it's fair or not? Sure?
You can make the argument on either side. But what
I'm trying to say is that statement about assimilation was
in a broader statement that she made, which included words
and phrases that I disagreed with, against an actual bill
that I also disagreed with.
Speaker 1: All Right, well, I guess we're gonna yeah, but no,
And I know you have said that you're viewing it
in this context, but I have not heard what that
context is that I'm supposed to be viewing this.
Speaker 4: Through that it's a bill.
Speaker 1: No, I understand the bill, but she's said but what
she is arguing, what she argued for, is why she's
supporting the bill. And she's talking about the illegal immigration problem,
the failure to adapt and assimilate. There's, you know, the
record breaking numbers of people that have come in she's
seeing in her district and you may have seen the same,
like self isolation of these these different communities that come
from all over the world. It sounded like that's what
she was saying, But you're saying there's some other context
to her comments, and I don't know what the other
as you called it, stereo context.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not even necessarily context. Right now. You just
repeated the same question essentially four or five times and
skipped the entire part that she mentioned culture. You went
straight to the assimilation and justifying it for why she
supports the bill. You haven't even mentioned the culture part.
I keep having to read bring that up here.
Speaker 1: I started with the culture part. That was the first
thing I.
Speaker 4: Asked you questions we are about a simulation. So I'm
trying to tell you is that you're also missing part
of the context in your question.
Speaker 1: The culture is the context. The question I asked you
was I asked if you think every culture. I asked
you if every culture is equal? And then we agreed
that no, there are different aspects to different cultures that
we would not consider to be better than ours. And
so I took that as a point of agreement that
that's what we all agreed we were talking about exactly.
Speaker 4: So if we agreed to it, and then you're supposed
to use it in your question as well, said, all
she was trying to say is dot dot dot, and
that did not repeat the part about the culture, the
part that I disagree with, and in addition, we seem
to have agreed with it on a philosophical basis, that
there can be serre and outliers and cultures that we
don't agree with. They're in existence, yes, but in the
context of how she was speaking, I would disagree with that.
I don't know if we agree with it to that extent, right, Well,
she brought it up in the questions as well.
Speaker 1: Well. I mentioned the culture that some cultures don't view
women as equal under the law. I mean, we can
talk about honor killings, days being murdered, child marriage, female
genital mutilation. That's no. No, you know you wanted me
to talk about the cultural thing. So I'm giving you
different examples of the things that we would not we
would not appreciate as our culture.
Speaker 4: The cultural thing in context of life, yes, which is
what we're talking about, because we're talking about a bill.
She didn't go and write a thesis on culture here. No,
I think that argument is more appropriate for what she's
talking about is a specific line within culture in the
context of a speech that has to do with a
bill that was up for debate. And so when you're
saying that there are cultures in existence, what we're talking
about is in the context that she brought up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we're just going in circles on
this because I haven't gotten any real specifics on what
it is that you think she said that was so objectionable,
just her mention of the word that she said that
the old cultures aren't equal.
Speaker 4: But I explained to you what cultures had to do
with the definition of North Carolina, how we've progressed. You
didn't necessarily agree with that response. But I answer your question,
all right.
Speaker 1: Well, I've already kept you longer then I asked you to.
You're free to stick around if you'd like to continue
and try to flesh this out. I'm happy to hold
you over through the break if you want. But I
know I've already taken up a lot of your time.
It's totally your faultlease refract.
Speaker 4: I'm more than happy to jump that call.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. Caleb Tedros, Senator from Mecklenburg County District
forty one, right, district forty one. Yeah, okay, all right, well,
thank you for your time, sir, I appreciate it. All right,
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legislative assistant doesn't get fired for booking that interview with me. Now,
I'd like I was curious to get at like the
meaning behind the statements that he wrote. He had I'll
read his entire That was, by the way, that wasn't
a caller. That was State Senator Caleb Tedros, Democrat, District
forty one, Mecklamurg County. And he wrote on the House
floor Representative Carla Cunningham said, quote all cultures are not
equal end quote. And that is the only quote, by
the way of Cunningham's speech that he used in this post.
So he was saying I was missing context, But I've
listened to her speech multiple times I've pulled the audio
clips and like I was somehow missing all of the context.
But I actually quoted her, played her SoundBite, listened to
what she was saying, developed questions and what is she like?
What is she saying, and what is the idea behind
these thoughts. That's how I constructed my interview questions to
try to get at that higher level thing. Because he
said all cultures are he quoted her saying all cultures
are not equal, and he says, I want to be
very clear, that kind of thinking has no place in
North Carolina. Well, so now there's what that there is
a is there a cultural norm that says you're not
allowed to say all cultures are not equal? You're saying
that has no place here. That's a you know, that
is laying down a that's laying down a standard, setting
a standard that everybody should adopt. Right that we all
should we all should agree that that kind of thinking
has no place in North Carolina. But that would also
be a cultural standard then, and that would be better.
I would assume in Senator Ted Rose's thinking that that
would be better than a culture that does allow that thinking,
which would then undermine the argument that all cultures are equal.
But he that's why I started off asking him that,
and he said, no, he would recognize that that they're not. Well,
that's not what he wrote the thing about, that's not
what he wrote this piece about. Mix says that Gentleman
was a perfect example of a politician who spoke a
lot of words and absolutely nothing. Yeah, no, I was.
I admit I was a bit confused trying to understand
what it was that he was, what he was trying
to say, because everything just kind of got lumped into
culture or context response and there wasn't any there's no
meat on the bones, so to speak. Now, I did
pull his bio. He studied economics and political science, and
so maybe that's part of the disconnect. I studied brought
mass communication, political science, and philosophy. So maybe that's maybe
that's why we were kind of talking past each other.
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Hey Pte.
Speaker 5: I I wanted to tell you, Uh, I feel a
little dumber listening to that guy, and I just want
to ask a favor. Stop putting the Democrats on the radio. Oh,
those people have no I idea what they're talking about.
They beat the Bush, around the around the whole context
of the situation. I'm just tired of the Democrats.
Speaker 1: Peete, Well, look you got you don't If you don't
know your opponent's argument, then you really don't know your
own either. And that's why I read and I listened
to people who disagree with me, and that's why I
was trying to have a conversation with him about what
specifically he was arguing for in this piece, because he
quoted his Democrat colleague as saying all cultures are not equal,
and he says that kind of thinking has no place
in North Carolina, which would indicate that he thinks all
all cultures are equal. But then he immediately said that no,
they're you know, the different cultures. No, it's not, that's
not really the case. So it sort of undermined the
whole point of what he had what he wrote at
his substack piece, and they are Yeah, look, I've never
spoken to him, I've never seen any interviews with him
on anything, So I just I went into it with
good faith just to ask him, like, you know, why
why are you making this argument. Let's let's talk about
this this argument, and.
Speaker 5: Well, look, I don't want you to think I think
it's your fault. You're awesome.
Speaker 1: Well I booked you show, thank you, Jerry. But I
did book him. It is kind of my fault I did.
I did book him on the show. So yeah, man,
I appreciate the yes, sir, take care. Let's see. Let
me go to the text line driven my liberty bo GMC.
Our country, this is from Derek. Our country used to
be a melting pot. People came here and dissimilated to
the country, all learned the language and work together and
build communities. Are well, not all there. I know there
are people that that immigranted, like they never learned English.
They were you know, the grandparents or something, and they
never learned English, but they made sure their kids did.
And by the way, Senator tedros is the son of immigrants.
They fled a war zone and they came to America
and so like and so. But he was you know,
born and raised here, I believe. So. Anyway, back to
Derek's text line message, our country is now a tossed
salad where everything is an individual piece and they don't
melt together and they don't work together. This is just
from an anonymous who is this contextual cultural more Okay,
that's make him stop. Jane says, not very smart. That
guy is a senator, sounded more like a DEI agent.
Another Texter says, I have no idea what question the
senator actually answered? That's from Liz. I already turned him
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that gentleman was a perfect example of a politician. Oh,
I read that one from Mick already spoke a lot
and said absolutely nothing. Context context, context quote. Gray says,
good lord, what the heck just happened with that call? No,
it was an interview, Like I said, I read his piece.
It was blasted out from his his legislative assistant and said,
if you would like to speak with him about this piece,
let us know, and I said I would. I read
the piece and I said I would like to speak
with you about the peace, and they agreed. So Kevin says,
I bet he would have understood what I bet we
would have understood what he was trying to say if
only he had a beard. Uh, he does have a beard.
I don't know. Maybe that's a flaw in the strategy
that they're gonna get, you know, grow facial here and
that's gonna that was one of the tactics that the
Democrats are exploring. Pete, referring to the North Carolina senator
from Mecklelberg County. I did not think this was possible.
But word Salagarry, his word Salagary is worse than cackle
and kamalos. That is from Chris and that's what democrats
do and turns it all around.
Speaker 4: Hm.
Speaker 1: Okay, And here's the story that the NPR story was
talking about the magic bullet to help Democrats win. What
do beards tell us about power politics and how we
see each other? It was on one a to Pete
love the fact that the state senator thinks he knows
what State Senator Carla Cunningham was implying while she voted
to override Josh Stein's veto she didn't fall in lockstep
with the Democrats. So good for her speaking her own
mind and not being a sheep. Why didn't he stick
around for another segment? Could it be that he didn't
realize you do your homework. I loved the show. Thanks
for what you do to make the day, gaining more knowledge,
getting labs and very entertaining. Well, thank you. I appreciate
that this way of thinking should not be allowed in
North Carolina. Let the Democrats keep doing what they're doing.
It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing you got to keep in mind here.
I have an incentive show prep rob from Charlotte. Are
you sure that wasn't Tony, No, it was not. I
booked it. No, Like I said, I read his piece
was It was titled we built this too, No culture
is less than and he started with this quote of
Carla Cunningham when she said all cultures are not equal.
I played the sound bite so you get the fo
context of the of her statement, and she said specifically
was she followed that up with groups of people coming
here and not assimilating, not adapting to their new homeland. Right,
And that's what she talked about. Now, I don't know
if she meant something else, Like, I'm not divining a
motivation or motive in any of her statements. I'm just
listening to what she is saying. And that's why when
he said she was stereotyping, Like, I didn't hear any
of that. I mean, like, I feel like I'm pretty
good at listening to politicians talk and then sussing out,
you know, stereotyping and that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: I do it.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for like thirty years, so I
kind of feel like I know what I'm doing on that.
But I didn't hear her say anything about stereotypes. She
never mentioned any specific stereotypes, and so I don't That's
what I was asking about. And the reason this is
important real quick I will tell you is that she
is now being rebuked by her fellow Democrats after that speech,
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a Pete mail from John in Jersey. He says, you,
my friend, have the patients of job. Couldn't address assimilation,
He couldn't address illegal immigration. This was one of the
most convoluted word dances that I've heard a politician try
to do with you. So illegal immigration of possible terrorists
or gang members or folks who simply don't want to
mutilate their daughters as acceptable to the senator. Thanks, but
I'll take the plane. Spoken descendant of slaves, Carla Cunningham,
she at least made sense, and then John says, is
it possible that the senator heard a dog whistle and
was all hyped up and couldn't make a coherent point.
Speaker 4: That's it might be a too. Look.
Speaker 1: The reason I asked him about culture was because the
title of his newsletter was we built this to No
culture is less than So I asked him, is that
like defend that? Basically because I think there are cultures
that are that are not as good as other cultures.
So not that every culture doesn't have problems, but there
are some that I would check a box and say, yeah,
I think we're better than that. Donald, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Donald, Hello, Pete.
Speaker 3: You know, listen to your program. I'm really devel I
get a lot of satisfaction. Well, thank you, And you
were certainly you were certainly zoned in to what the
conversation should have been about, and he was nebulous. It
didn't seem to have any concept. You know, some people
like to just argue, well, he is.
Speaker 1: A political science made and as one who study that too,
that is, you eventually realize that they do just like
to argue.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, well, and you're pollisci and I likewise will
pollysci but you know, get to get to the point
and make it and defend it, and he cannot do it.
So yeah, anyway, thank.
Speaker 5: You, Peter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Donald, I appreciate the call, sir. Good to hear
from you. I appreciate the kind words, you know. I
was just trying to Yeah, I was just asking him
about what he wrote. He went on to say, to
claim that some cultures are simply less than is not
just divisive, it's dangerous, and I would I mean, yes,
taken to an extreme, sure, but it's not dangerous. It's
not divisive to say, Okay, you have a cultural norm
from where you come and we don't accept that cultural norm.
There's a big deal like in France for example, where
it's a staunchly secular nation, right, and they had the
fight with their with the Muslim population that was coming
in and they were like, we want to wear the
head coverings and the you know, the burkas and stuff
for our driver's license photos, and like, no, you can't
do that, Like that's our cultural norm. You don't get
to do that because we value this thing. Now, if
you don't like that value, then okay, but you don't
have to be here. You know, and he goes on
to say it reveals a breathtaking misunderstanding of what actually
makes America work. These aren't throwaway words. They insult immigrants. Again,
I did not hear any insults from Carla Cunningham about immigrants.
She was talking about illegal immigration and the inability to
assimilate that many people, and there are there are groups
of people. There are illegal immigrants, maybe legal immigrants as well,
that come in and they do not choose to assimilate.
In fact, I just saw a story this morning of
a guy who has been here for twenty years illegally,
and his wife said that he refused to ever try
to seek asylum or anything like that because he didn't
because of pride. That's what he said, pride in his homeland.
So okay, well now you're going to go back there,
so you know, those are those are decisions people make.
He says. These words insult black families. They insult every
community that's fought to be seen, heard, and respected. I'm
both a proud Black American and the child of immigrants.
I know how powerful it is when different identities co
exist in one person and in one country. Our communities
don't move forward by ranking whose culture deserves more dignity.
She never said that either. See, this is what I like,
he said. At one point I think there that he
was like a saying, I'm only taking one sentence or something,
and it's like, but you're just you're responding to stuff
that she never said. You're almost like quoting her and
she never said these things. And then that's when he said, Oh,
it's the context of it, the context of the bill.
But the bill doesn't do that either. It just says
sheriffs have to cooperate fully with ice. So yeah, so
I guess I was confused and reading the piece, and
now I'm even more confused after listening to the explanations.
I don't know. We move forward, he says, when we
recognize that every culture brings something to the table. Sure, no,
that's fine, you get every Yeah. Look, I grew up
in New York. I am very aware of multiculturalism and
the different groups of people. I mean, New York is
a city of immigrants, so very aware of this.
Speaker 4: Like it.
Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with it. I'm for legal immigration. I
want a lot of legal immigration, but I want the
people to be vetted so that they're not going to
become wards of the state, and that they actually are
coming here to participate in the American project because they
agree with the idea of what America is. Well, Carla
Cunningham is now getting a bunch of flack from her
fellow Democrats. They've been attacking her. Democrats in the Senate
slammed her comments. The Senate leader Sidney Batch called her
remarks ridiculous and absolutely uncalled for the very fact that
you would say that not all people or not all
immigrants are equal. No, she said cultures. She didn't say
all immigrants, and in fact she never even said illegal
immigrants or legal immigrants. Once again, you guys keep conflating
these two population sets, and they are different. She says,
it's contrary to how this country was formed. This country
was formed because of Native Americans, blacks and were enslaved
and immigrants, including every single person that was here other
than Native Americans. And so to say that we are
not equal goes and flies in the face of anything
that a Democrat believes and holds near and dear. I
don't know why she said it. I don't know what's
going on with her what she said. That's Sydney Batch
that's the leader of the Democrats in the Senate. She
did not say people aren't equal. She never said that.
She was talking about cultural norms, people bringing things. Do
you remember there was the big brawl among Eritreans. They
bring their sectarian histories with them here and then they
act out here on those histories, and so that's part
of this equation as well. All right, that'll do it
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