Speaker 1: It's gonna wake fix your camera. God, we're professionals. You
son up a bitch. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome
back to the Aga Thought review series for the final time.
I'd assume maybe yes, no, who knows, But for now
we're gonna say the final time, reviewing episodes eight and
nine as what I'm gonna say the series finale. I'm
the clown Prince of Reality Tress now, and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I'm the Down Down, Down Down kirkle Patzer.
Speaker 3: I'm the mind power tator Field.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this before you got in the room, Kirklain,
What do you have stuck in your head more right now?
The Witch's Road or the uh you know, just just
a little of this action, you know. Yeah, that's it.
I'm not gonna get I don't want to get caught from.
Speaker 2: Superman neither neither long leg song for sure. And I've
been watching a bunch of Chapel Roone videos, so Chaperon's
in my head right now.
Speaker 1: Santana new album coming out.
Speaker 2: Please give me another tour. I was just like going off, Yeah,
I need to give that tour.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be funny. Watcher just drop this next album
and completely fucking sucks and kills all the momentum she has.
It's just oh flash of the pan, that was it?
Remember that summer we all like Chilperone and like spoken
word now only yeah, like I said as a joke,
but it happens all the time where I was the
next hot person and then but I hope Chaperone, you know,
great uls of strength, Yes, lots of great struff shruck.
That's a great get her to do the Superman theme.
Fuck it, you know, like do the Superman theme and
then add some lyrics on there and just hates Jane Gunn,
Like what have you done? John Williams score? But you know,
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thank you. It's the most picture and producers we've ever had,
so we very much appreciate that. But here we are
to talk about Agatha. We'll talk about the extual life
stream a little bit later. Uh. So, yes, this is
the we are at the end of road, the road,
the Witch's road. Uh. And this is the first time
we're all three together since like I do know episode
four maybe something, because it was like three weeks with
me and Taylor and then last week was me and Kirkland.
Speaker 3: So I don't remember. I haven't reviewed any of this
show with Kirkland yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if there's one episode was really yeah, that's
why we told you about that drinking problem you have.
You get to knock it off.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not gonna be able to remember the
intervention episode.
Speaker 1: It didn't work, clearly we have we have done at
least one episode. But yeah, I will start with you
give us your mini thoughts last week because I will
pertain to what happened this week. You had that, you know,
nice little reveal of who Reo was, and then lots
of reveals this episode, so we're not gonna get them,
of course, till we break the wall. But what did
you think of this as a closing chapter for Agatha?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was. It was interesting to get the
like episode nine, I think that it was kind of
like a real good simmer after the very climatic finale.
It reminds me like how Game of Throws used to
do that a penultimate episode being like the huge crazy
like showed out and the next episode be kind of
like a simmer, kind of like Cooper Eat. And I
appreciate that. I really appreciate when a show does that
helps kind of like keep your sounding a little bit. Uh.
I really really liked a lot of wiccan In in
this come around.
Speaker 1: I think because at the beginning, you're rocky on Billy.
Speaker 3: I was rocky. I was rocky, but Billy just kind
of embracing, you know, and not being just that kind
of like he was. He was a klutz at the start,
and I wasn't super into that, but just knowing, like again,
it was all part of his plan, really, and I
can see that now, and just seeing him more in
this serious tone and just it just like him embracing
his powers and all that. I'm really really driving with it.
Speaker 2: It was really really cool.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you I'll show him the spoilers. But I
know what shot Taylor trying and remind me. I know
there's a certain shot that happ't with Billy where I'm like, oh,
I bet Taylor's in now just was just a certain
Poe's character was doing. But yeah, you're ready for Young
Avengers now, you know I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I want to see him. I want to see Scar.
I want to see the two of them.
Speaker 2: Second, who the hell you were.
Speaker 1: Talking about the Avengers.
Speaker 3: That's what just be called, Yeah, unstoppable team.
Speaker 1: That has to be a joke if they ever, whenever
it happens, dead bous to make that joke, right, if
Scar and Billy were the young Avengers, like you gotta
have deadpooll make the nepotism joke about the Avengers kids, right,
Just throwing you an easy one there, Ryan Reynolds, you.
Speaker 3: Know, uh, Catherine just was fucking incredible eating this these episodes.
Katie yeah, Cat close friends call her.
Speaker 1: Just call her k It's like a mission of black
or men in Black.
Speaker 2: Kat Kate.
Speaker 3: That's what I go. Yeah, she was great, she was fantastic.
Arby Plaza was really really spooky and scary. I think
that she had probably a lot of fun with her
role in these last two episodes here. What else, though,
I'm I'm happy. Yeah, Like overall, I think that the
show overall and what we got to this being the ending,
I'm very I'm happy with that. I think there's definitely
worse shows. And so I I think that if you know, you.
Speaker 1: Give a high praise.
Speaker 3: What is the what is the term give it the
old college try. If you give this show that called
the college try, then I think that you'll be pleasantly
surprised it can be college try. It sounds you never
heard of that.
Speaker 2: I've never heard that heard you old college try.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, it just like give it your best effort
because it's college and I'm just trying. Yeah, you know
you got it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for informing me. Guys, feel out of a loop.
Speaker 3: There you go, no pressure. I think that. Yeah, I
just I think it was great. I think it ended
on it had a pretty good ending to it, and
I'm excited to see what the future brings, whether that's
you have Avengers or.
Speaker 2: Who knows what, mister Patzer, who knows what? Yeah, I
thought this was a nice little one, too combo to
the end the season. I overall, I feel like this
was definitely one of the more positive Marvel shows as
of late. So that's a nice, you know, just relief,
especially that this has been how many years since WandaVision
twenty one?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So three?
Speaker 2: Geez? Yeah, Okay, I feel like in my mind it
felt longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, January twenty twenty was like the first MC thing
after Yeah covid.
Speaker 2: I think, I think it can be tough to like
fallow off with a show from another show on like
a side character years upon years later. It's just like,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe like had a movie in between two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly, like I didn't want to do kind
of like a Black Widow thing where it just it
really felt like it came out too late, and I
don't think it did. I think, especially pairing it with
the Halloween theme that was really nice. And I'm glad
that they just did the you know, the one two
release for the because it's Halloween tomorrow, you know, break
the fourth wall, Like I like, I like the timing
kind of like the the pump Guns.
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed the we may as well.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of the Witch's Road, right, you know
for visual viewers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back there.
Speaker 2: But yeah no, I I I think the remind me
arem I just going into the finale's thoughts right now too, Yes, Okay,
I I feel like I'm really I'm really happy with
what we chose to do for the finale, like like
like what what we were holding back basically the entire show.
Like I'm glad we got that review in the finale.
It felt like it fit really well and overall, I'm like,
I'm I'm I'm just excited to see what happens moving
forward with some of the characters that lived. And uh yeah,
just performance is really good. I I don't want to
say I'm as you know, low on Billy as Taylor
once was, but uh I I feel like by the
end he definitely grew on my my rating scale and
just my overall I don't know, just just lists of characters,
I guess yeah, and I almost spoiled something, so I'm
gonna just hold my tongue and uh maybe pass pass
the baiton there before I say too much recommend the show.
I guess overall, that's that's one thing I'll say there
you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I guess in case someone's tuning in
and they're like, oh, yeah, what did you think of
you know, like if they didn't watch Ay And then,
like Mike said, he's like three episodes behind its stuff.
But like speaking in that in a way where so
the show gets announced, I don't know on the hype
right because I still think like there's made some bad
finales here or there. But I feel like, remember there
was a day where they just went on Twitter and
they're just like we're doing Marvel's Armies and Agathon. They
just revealed a bunch of stuff, and I think it
was still the time where MCU was maybe not as peak,
but it was still like a little below where it's like, yeah,
they got all the power to do this. And then
we went through many trials and tribulations, and I thought,
especially this was in the era of all we got
to push a lot of content. I thought, I don't
think we need an egg of the show, not that
we need anything, But it just me like in the
sense of what can we achieve with this that maybe
could have went elsewhere funds wise, even though it's like
the most cheapest MCU project. So that's good for them,
that helps, but still it's like, is this something that's
really needed in the time where Okay, we knew they're
just trying to get content out. And I always said
that the stuff like like we still got next year,
like Ironhart and wonder Man, like that stuff I'm still
worried about because that was in that era of Go
Go Go and everything, and we'll see about those shows
next year. And that the other thing that made it
happen was like a echo where echo for me I
did not enjoy. So I was like, oh, yeah, here's
a sign of the stuff that they really pushed out
to get on to Disney pluses to have content. We're
gonna have a bunch of stuff that's you know, poorly written,
have a lot of issues, you know, might have some
bright spots, but overall a big downer. But yeah, I'm
surprised I'm saying this. I was looking at my MSU
ranking and also I'll wait till we do our next
official ranking episode. We do one at the end of
each phase. I'm not sure even when the fucking phase
five ends, I don't know what they have anymore there.
I'd have to look. I don't think there's an endpoint.
But yeah, I think I can comptantly say that this
show's probably in the top twenty five. Now. I know
that probably sounds super like, oh, twenty five, but it's
like the MSU has like fifty plus projects now, you know.
So for me, there's a couple that it's like it Now.
It's in the class of like she Hulk and Iron
Man are like Winter Soldier and the First Thor and
First Incredible. There's tons that are always like, oh, what's better?
What's not so? But it's in like a class that
I really really enjoy And for me, it definitely was
this finale because I came in being like, Okay, we
got the review tonight where I am I on the show.
I'm like, I'm probably like a seven, and I think
it's gonna stay at seven. I think this at least
went up. Uh. I won't reveal how many points, but
it went up a few points. Digress not a perfect show,
of course, There's still some issues I still wish there
was some maybe a bit more scariness stuff. I think
they did deliver the back half, and I wish, as
we talked about before, some of those trials were kind
of kind of lame in my opinion. Now looking back,
it's like, Okay, I still wish we did it a
little bit better. But I think we talked about the
MCU or just in general Disney plus so they got
a finale problem that's not happening here. If you were
to rank the finales alone, I could make an argument
this is the I don't know, like excluding low Ki
because Loki, I think it's easily one and two. I
don't know, it's tough, like you have other ones in there,
like a Sheahulk that I really enjoyed. I know some
people are iffy on, But other than that, I think
there's maybe a couple other have to think. But it's
it's top three, maybe top two, I don't know. I
think it did a fantastic job of landing the plane
successfully and delivering twist. Like I feel like there's so
few times in these comic book projects that we get surprised.
I'm sure there's somebody that's gonna like, oh, I knew
this was happening the entire time, and if you did
great for me. I din so I was like, I
won't say it was floored because I was like, oh
my god, but I was like impressed of like, man,
this is really smart and it's one of those type
of twists that which is the best type you can have.
It made me want to rewatch the show. I don't
know if I need to pop in right away, but
I'm like, man, this is actually want to one of
the stir from the beginning because there's so many different
perspectives where I'm like, this is not the route I
thought was gonna go. And I'm trying to say this
in the most non spoiler way, but we were just
talking about this. We talked about this all the time,
right with just Star Wars, Villains, et cetera. We talk
about this with Marble, and I was just talking about
this with Emily the other day because we watch hocus
Pocus and then hocus Pocus Too. I'm not sure if
you guys seen hocus Pocus Too? Have you seen that?
Have you seen the first one? Curriculum?
Speaker 2: Probably I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, Okay, irrelevant for Kirkland, but Anyways, my complaint that
happened with a lot of stuff is like in hocus
Pocus too, they try and do they're.
Speaker 1: Like, well, they're like not that bad, and like there
was some reason why they did some bad things. It's like, like,
why do you gotta do that? And I thought for sure,
Like with Loki, I thought that was a successful series
where he started off as a villain. They showed some
origin stuff, they showed some turning points, and I believed
his turn at the end. But I thought with this
show having maybe a little less time, I'm not sure
I'd have to look at the run time at all.
I just thought for sure with a couple of the
Red Herrings they were leading, it's like okay or sorry
that they were leaving. We're gonna get the Agatha's redeemed
and all this stuff in the past you didn't understand yet.
There's even a line in this show when they're like, oh,
why don't you tell the truth and she goes because
it's worse. I'm like, all right, yeah, I'm sure it's
gonna be worse, right because I think back to WandaVision,
where to me, WandaVision is a very lackluster finale, that
line Monica hits her with, right, Oh, they never know
what you gave up for them. These thousands of people
that were brainwashing taken over by Wanda, They're never gonna
know what you gave up for them, Like what fucking
kids that she made up? Like these are real people's lives.
So that's where it's like Disney and you know, Marvel
Disney specifically always has to do that, and I applaud them.
There's multiple times in this where I felt like they
stuck to their guns, like Agatha, like she's a bad person,
you know, and there's a lot of bad things that happen,
and that's why I love they did not backpedal and
give us like the oh yeah no, she's really kind hearted,
just a lot of misunfortunate things. There's an entire block
of this show where it's like, holy fuck, they're doing
this and like just like irredeemable things. And that's why
I love where they gave us the show. I think
was a great job of being in the gray and
that's what I love that. That's my favorite type of content,
My fair show all times, like Breaking Bad Dexter's another
one there where it's like you have a character and
I don't watch them because as Walter White a good
guy or bad guy, he's an interesting guy. And that's
where I think they've made Agatha's stock. She was already
interesting because Catherine Haunt again hits home Run after home
Run and these two episodes. But now I'm like, man,
I would I would take an egg of the season
two if they didn't. Now, I would be excited if
they were to announce that. Right With Loki, it's like,
of course I love Hitlson and Loki. Yeah, but there's
some shows where it's like, okay, like this, do I
need something now? If they were to say hey, this
or Billy, I would be fully in where I thought
we started, not that. So this gives me a little
more hope for Ironheart or even wonder Man of like, Okay,
stuff in this era, maybe not. Everything's gonna be complete
shit same thing hopefully with Cap and Thunderbolts and everything. Hopefully,
even if it's fixing stuff in post we're on a
different road. And of course there's gonna be projects that
aren't good, right. I'm not saying it has to be
perfect in ten and ten stuff, but even this, this
was on a ten out of ten project. But I
was very happy with it, and I'm surprised by how
strong these last two episodes are. I was kind of floored,
and I will say, yeah, it's definitely one of the
best Disney Plus finales. I was very impressed. So anything
else non spoilers before we go past the road? All right,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought Taylor cut out for a second,
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You can do that vocally.
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Speaker 3: I was just when you said, like no matter what,
like all the proceeds still go to the hospitals. Just thinking, man,
I wonder if there's some group out there it's like, yeah,
if we don't hit our goal, we just keep the money.
We don't donate it.
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we'd thank you very much. So let's talk about Agatha
serious finaleon now. I don't I feel like we don't
do this unless one has like a really strong starting point,
which I have one. I might need to go on
a order because I feel like there's certain things that
get revealed. But I before we get to the strong
starting point, Taylor, was the point where you were hyped
on billy Is when he came down fully costumed.
Speaker 3: Oh that costume costumes. There's costumes that look like cause
play like and it's very worrisome. But man, no, his
costume was like.
Speaker 1: I saw that, and when you said, Ah'm hyped on billion,
I'm like, oh, I bet it was that one because
it was a good hero shot. He was coming down
and the electricity powers had the crown everything.
Speaker 3: Don't take it all, and it just fucking blasting.
Speaker 2: He reminded me a little bit of the guy from
Spike Kids three D when he like shows up, look
at all badass and he's got like unlimited power. Yeah,
don't take it all, and then he's all shriveled up,
but like a prune. Like instantly after Yeah.
Speaker 1: The kids were worried like, oh she They're like, she
has to stop, she has to stop when she started
laughing and getting all like maniacal like that for free. Yeah,
and that The only thing I will say is because
maybe we'll be all over, but I will get us
on track, I still think. And who knows what's gonna
happen with Agatha down the line right because MC a
lot of stuff's going on. But when she gets her
powers back and they do the big reveal and it's
her fucking like witch out for for Wantavision. I'm like,
this thing's still not good. It still looks like that
costume still looks like a Disney channeled like Descendant's nineties villain.
I wish they upgraded some way. I'll say, like the
costume she gets later on is even better than the
one she got here, so it's still as funny this
big moment. I was like, oh yeah, like I get it,
that's your outfit. But it still just looks It's just
there's a lot of layers to it, and it's just
there's just something about it just does not look cool,
especially when you got Billy over there, he's rocking his
cool stuff. He's kind of got like a shoulder kaped
the crown. You got Aubrey Plaza, who's looking scary and
sexy at the same time, and then Agatha just like,
here's me in like fifteen robes and it's like, all right,
it's cool. They're purple and everything, But so is there
any place someone wanted to start it?
Speaker 3: I have a pitch, okay, pitch it. It's all a hoax.
The road is just a joke.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just well, no, it wasn't Agatha
all along.
Speaker 2: It was the whole idea of the road.
Speaker 1: I thought you meant the okay he no, no, no, no, no,
he did not give me all the facts there. Part
of it was Agatha. Yeah, which part of the hopes
we talk about We talk about Agatha stuff.
Speaker 3: First, I was talking about the road itself, and but
I liked it because it's it's the road that doesn't
help me, the road that was manifested from Billy's imagination
and his powers to be. And I like that because
it parallels so nicely to Wanda. And again you get
that whole elaborate scene of just its sequences in the
different orders of scenes, of just Agatha's saying, oh so
much like your mom. Yeah yeahah, yeah, yeah, I could
have done this, could have done that, And then he's realized, like,
holy fuck, like I created the road. Oh my god.
I really really like that scene. That was a really
really fun reveal. It was really really engaging. So yeah,
let's discuss.
Speaker 1: They're just turned into an eighties radio shows. Yeah, let's discuss. Yeah,
I will say when that happened there in the full
reveal that and like, I was like, they fucking pulled
it all like to me, because here's the thing, there's
so much I was thinking about this right where when
they do the full reveal of the broach and its
AGA's Sun, we talked about like week two or three
because it's like allready and you know, more power tone.
But there's TikTokers and there's people like we review everything.
We I'm not saying these people don't have lies, but
there's some people that are just truly dedicated to like
MSU's top and like they take everything right. So for
them being like, oh yeah, that's Sae of the Sun
and figure that out and then us kind again, I'll
be like, oh okay. So there's all the time where
there's kind of those like Frozen spoilers where they're not spoilers,
but because people put the theory out and everything leads
that way, we're like, Okay, it's not much of a
thing because like we've heard people talk about theories and
now I got the reveal. I could be wrong, but
I did not hear anybody talk about the theory of
oh yeah, this is all Billy's made up and it's
all his head especially because there is a comic book
called The Witch's Road. Now I've never I think read
it fully. It has some good artwork, but I don't
think it's like a made up thing either, The Witch's Road.
So that's where it's like a you know, not a
great comparison for some people like The Man Mander, Oh
my God, the Mandarin and Iron Man three, where it's
like a big twist. It's like that, not really Mandarin.
I don't think it's to that level. But that's where
I was like, oh. And also then, like Taya said,
when they played all the clips showing you saying like
them East's character saying thing, it was like the you
know twenty years ago, oh today or yesterday, it's not
on this level. But like Saw came out and that
was one of those that's like the to me, the
best twists ever where the twists happens and they play
all the clips, you're like, fuck, and it's like that
where it's like, oh, all these clips now, it's like
they made sense in the context of the show while
they were happening, like you're so much like your mother
because he was popping off of those powers and everything.
But then they have like a double entaung Dry meeting
later on, it's just like like bravo, like that's where
again I don't know, Like sometimes things happen to shows,
this feels literally, not literally, it is literally they sat
down and mapped this whole thing out from starting to finish,
and that's what it should be. Where when we talk
about some like secret invasion, we're like, how the fuck
do we get from point A to point B? Like
where did we go? Like where are the missing letters?
Or point aight at point z? But like with this,
it's like you can see all of them. There was
like mystery letters we didn't even know about, so bravo
to all of them. And even if they if some
people figured out, great you're smart. But for me, I
thought they still did the twists like very very well.
I I I imagine like I'm glad we got the doubleheader,
but man, if we would have to wait a whole week,
that would have been that would have been brutal. I
still think there could have been fun because the episode
eight acts almost like a finale until the ending moments
when there was twist revealed. It's just like egg of
his dad, Death's gone, the road's done and then Billy's
back at home. I kind of wish they just said
it was eight episodes and like when you and like,
I don't know how you could do that because they
drop them at the same time. But the way Netflix,
I don't know how it's programmed. Netflix used to do
this thing where it's like, hey, if you watched all
of Daredevil, after you watch that last episode, it'd be like, oh,
now there's like a teaser for Luke Cage and it's
like unlocked or something like that. I wish there was
a way, like imagine how hype that would have been,
because I don't know if you guys remember this way
long ago, there was theories that there was like a
secret wand to tenth episode. Remember we covered that, and
I would have fucking loved if imagine that that's the
Now you watch it, the billiying thing happens and it
says next episode, you'd be like, holy fuck, but it's.
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, it's gonna be an hour late for the review.
I gotta watch this the next extra episode.
Speaker 1: That's true, we would have been purpose, that's true, we
would have spoiled it. But like still like or even
just a way of like if you would have, like
I think they could have just taken out the pre zone,
just put the episodes together so if you click on it,
you're like fucking an hour twenty like this, like this
is a long episode, Like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, epilogue. It really feels like an epilogue
episode because I'm completely in agreeance with you. You have like
the big clash battle you have, you know, like wicking
in all of his glory, nice nice cool outfits.
Speaker 1: So like classic suit reveal that they do every finale
right is.
Speaker 2: Back in her in her like you know, outfit that's
not so flattering, but I I completely agree. I think
that would have been so exciting because I feel like
it felt like dessert, like that extra episode, especially as
I was saying in the non spoilers, like I love
the way that that episode had just started of kind
of you know, like you've been wondering about Egepa's Sun
and like what happened? Here you go, this is like
this is we're going way back and then we basically they're.
Speaker 1: Great flashback episode again, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, and we're just like living through you know, we're
we're we're jumping through moments. But like we're just living
kind of through her life up until the point of
meeting Billy. So like, I just I love the way
that went, and yeah, I was just so hyped on
basically the penultimate finale and then I was just I
was just eating up everything else extra. But speaking back
to yeah, just the whole reveal about it being Billy's right,
I think like I kind of couple that with just
the reveal of Agatha being like just the tricks. I
feel like personally I like the Agatha reveal more than
the Billy one, just because it it really shows, okay,
like Agatha is a bad person. Like it's like she's
just misunderstood, Like oh wow, she's she's actually everything that
you know, we we we've been led to believe she is.
Speaker 1: If we were maybe we've never done this, been able
to do this next MC ranking, if we were to
do a ranking of because you know, every time we
do it in the phase we do our top ten villains,
if we're doing some variation of that, but not villains
of like oh I like kill mar kids of this,
but like a top ten like who are the worst
of the worst. I don't know where she is, but
I think Antha's for sure in the top ten for
mu Like, how many people did that year was nineteen
or so? It was seventeen fifty, so almost three every
years ago, every year, like how many people? And I
know witches can be like you know some I'm sure
there's some bad ones along the way, but still it's
like not all of them were bad. So it's like
how many people did she murder? And not just like
a even Multiversemannist was like, hey, Wanda, she killed this
a fantastic she killed Captain Carter. But she's like, oh,
the dark hold was there, like you know, twist her
mind nothing on. No, Agatha's willingly. Even her son's like,
maybe we should stop killing witches. Oh yeah, you never know,
and she's like, oh yeah, Like I was shocked and
I had like I was looking at my kids and like,
oh yeah, like I had to explain it. Yeah, she's
still a bad person. Because I thought for sure that
was not gonna be the case. I thought they would
not even to reveal that in this season, all these
characters that we liked, Alice, Missus Hart, Julia, Kate, she
was gonna kill him. She legitly was gonna kill him
that episode and it's like, yeah, you are a villain.
That's why I loved even at the end, it wasn't
like she. I think she ended up being nonfatuated like
a romantic way, but just like she grew a liking
to Billy and it's like her. But she even said
it's like her son. It's not like a big sacrifice
for the fucking universe. It's just she saw qualities that
her and the Sun or him and the son had together.
So she didn't like even have like a huge redemption
saving only to Billy, right, but not to everybody else.
So I was like, Bravo Tomorrow Studios for doing that.
She didn't get the Loki treatment, where oh at the
end of Loki he's a good guy. Now it's like no,
Agatha is still just like a very questionable individual that's charismatic,
you know, great played greatly by Katherine Hahn, well so wild. Yeah,
TYR were surprised by that. But uh, Agatha's how bad
she was in her uh her episode.
Speaker 3: But I know she was bad, but that was like
really really bad. Like there's Stanos and then there's Agatha.
That's how I see it too. Yeah, I think it
might not be wrong.
Speaker 1: That's I said, I want to do a ranking. Maybe
we'll do a bread and Butter episode of that. I
think once he watched the Agatha would be down for
that because like until Doom gets there. I'm trying to think,
like because even kill Monger, it's like I can't put
Killo on the top ten. Like he's like like a
magneta like gold, right, where Agatha complete selfish, like just
for like what immortality and power.
Speaker 3: And that's pretty dark. Hold, right, she doesn't have the
dark fingers yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Even Thanos at first is just trying to like
help the universe out in his twisted way, right, he
thinks he's doing like Egg is not. Who's she helping
once once Nicholas is dead?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a maximum power, terrible person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I thought that that was That was
such like the song, that song is like burning my
mind right now. Yeah, just going through all the different
ages and her just screwing over all these witches. That
was just yeah, that was good stuff. I was really
really enjoying it. And just yeah, seeing seeing the foundation
and the the creation of where this song stems from
and just how she's kind of twisted that and warped
it into this now like she was always killing witches,
but it just has it feels like it has a
different meaning now with her son being dead, and actually
like Madison was actually tearing up. She had water coming
out of her eyes from this when her son Nicholas
passes away, and you just get the whole treatment. Aubrey
Plaisa was great. That episode is super super freaky. But yeah,
just it was such a man such an absolute fantastic episode.
She like Catherine Haun, really really delivered. It was really
really well done. And yeah, I just think that this
is the amount of people she killed just blows my mind.
But I like how I like how they concluded that episode.
I thought that was really really fun and I'm excited
to see how it's gonna carry on with her being
like force ghosts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which is ripped right out of the combo,
because that's usually what she is. Even if because Kirkly
you dabbled at me Night Sun's up, I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna say, this is like the Midnight Sun's version of Agatha,
which is she even had like a little bit of
Sindale aesthetic to her. I don't know if you the
character for Mortal Kombat just like her colors and the
white hair. But yeah, I totally thought of Midnight suns
and something.
Speaker 1: And usually she's more in this for like an aid
of Agatha, so earth fuck no for Wanda. So it's
kind of like fitting that. Well, they've transferred that over
to Billy right to be his kind of you know,
force ghosts and sense. So uh no, I thought that
was great. And because even when they the episode eight ends,
he turns around, you know, it's Agatha. She's like hey
or something like that, and he scares like, Okay, what's
the big deal, Like it's just Agatha, And again the
show's like, oh yeah, this is the deal. It's like
she's a ghost and she's dead. Now I'm just really curious.
And that's the thing. It's the m so you never know,
like is there way to physically resurrect her get her
body back?
Speaker 2: But like if not there is, oh, come on, I
feel so many people I know.
Speaker 1: There is, but I kind of like I kind of
hope there's not, Like I would love, like I don't know,
I don't know what it takes for like her to
play the character now and like goes for him if
it's annoying for her to do or something like that.
But I would love it if like Midnight Sun's want
of like this was her role, because we talked about
this in the predictions, like, hey, where does she appear next?
If there's no wand of movie announced, where does she
appear next? I have a question for both these characters,
like I may we'll get to that later because it
ends on a very and that's the one thing no
end credit, which I was very surprised, I thought for sure,
especially the way the show end. I'm like, Oh, there's
gotta be something more of a tease of what direction.
It's like, I don't know, is this a young Avenger?
I guess we just talk about is this a younger
because it ends with he's gonna I guess if we
didn't say you're spoils, she's dead and do not make
it in this episode after the big reveal, he turns
around Agatha as a ghost like we said just in
the comic books, and she's kind of haunting a little bit.
He's trying to ignore her. He also realizes that which
again this is where I'll come back to that because
you made a great comparison there too about like how
it's like WandaVision. I think they did that perfectly, but
he feels guilty because yeah, he did like accidentally kill
some people. So that sucks for Billy, much like his
mom you know, has that in common. But he's gonna
go back and get rid of Agatha. So he's drawn
witchy things and he's doing ritual and stuff and he's
gonna do it. And then she says, well, I'm too
scared to face him meeting her son, which I think
that is whenever it's still yeah, oh my god, it's him.
Whenever they end the Agatha character, I feel like that's
gonna be her last scene as her scene or son,
I would imagine, right, like that kind of has to.
It's almost like the Peggy Carter Captain America thing, like
I feel like they've now made an illusion, like hey,
that is her end game right there. But he goes
to the spell she can't and she just says, hey,
you know, what's the next best thing or whatever, like
I'm gonna help you. We can be a team. Yet, dada,
da uh, Let's go find Tommy. And that's where it ends.
That's where it's like if there is a wand of movie,
does it pick up there is this something you pick
up in Young Avengers? Is this something you pick up
in Vision? Because that's also his son? Is there another
show which again this show started to climb up in ratings.
I don't know where it is as far as like
the other ones. I don't think it's high high, but
still start to climb up. It's like, where do you
see these characters next? I hope it's not like the
problem we've had with Phase four and five where we
get this a lot where some she came out three
years ago and we haven't seen him even though he
told the Tan Rings will return, right, we haven't seen
Moonnight again. So it's like, it's tough. That's my only
worry if like, I'm excited they end this so well,
but also it's like, are we going to be doing
a cast in four years being like where's Billy and Wanda?
You know, which could happen? So the sky effect, Well,
we don't need to see Scar again. Nobody nobody's asking where.
Speaker 3: His scaler is. They want to find Tommy. They got
to get Scar first. Why he's gonna help them find
tom Maybe I know the guy. Maybe Scar was the
one drowning in the lake and Tommy and the scar Spy.
Speaker 2: That's how they end that character drowned in a pool.
He fought the fuck uh what's it called the midnight
what's it called night? Swim that pool?
Speaker 3: Pool? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he lost in the geek verses there. But let's
see before you go there, I'll throw somebody listen to
the podcast for a few years. This is my first
time catch you guys night Alive. Oh nice Cheerman, Thank you.
I should have pre read that, because, like I imagine,
if I listen to the podcast for years, this episode
fucking sucks. I'm tuning out, you know, but I did so,
thank you. Jared. Yeah, welcome. Kevin Davis says, I guess
all along. We'll get any nominations. I won't go that far.
I think much like the Oscars, they allow one comic
book thing in and unfortunately is coming out when Penguins. Yeah,
and Penguin's gonna take all those fucking roles. So I
think like cost that you could do like costuming stuff
like that, maybe anything. Maybe I could see maybe enacting
like because they might try to put this in like comedy,
and I could see them getting like a Catherine Han there.
But like, there's definitely some comedy in these last episodes,
but these last episodes were not a comedy these this
to me was kind of depressing at times, like and
one thing I'll show before I throw back to you guys.
Multiple moments in this these poot the two par here,
the score was phenomenal, especially when Agatha was dying. I
was like, man, this is there, this is hien some
great notes for me, which the Disney Plus stuff has
always been kind of I think fifty to fifty if
sometimes great score and sometimes it's just like, okay, you
got this off Pond five cheap cool, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like the uh like the score that they had.
When Billy was like realizing that he did the whole
road thing, like it's it was like a really suspenseful,
like freaky something, and I was like terrified as to
like what this was going to be. Meaning I'm like, okay,
that means that it was all kind of in his head.
But then I think just the reality was said and
it was like, oh no, there is people that died
on this.
Speaker 1: It's in all their fucking heads. But it's real. That's
that's the fucked up thing. It's in his head. So
it goes into their heads, but it's a real thing.
It's like that's like it's fine. That'd be the worst
scenario to be in because it's just And that's why
I love that flash when they show her doing all
the Witch's Road thing and she sings it, and now
that's why I can't wait watch that when she's show shocked,
like I think about this for almost three hundred years,
She's made up this lie and then she sings and
then the fucking which just road appears in front of her.
That would have been, like I think Catherine Hahnen now
looking at sold it fantastically of like what the.
Speaker 2: That's like another reason why I want to rewatch it, right, yeah,
to like see those scenes knowing that, And yeah, I
I also just love the like that whole song is
like a siren chant for witches right, like like she
literally just used it like lurein witches because it feels
like that. It like it feels very like over the top,
like this is a witch song. Yeah, but like it
makes sense. So yeah, where do.
Speaker 1: We see these two next?
Speaker 2: Where do we see I mean, as soon as I
saw Billy in the outfit, I'm like, oh man, young Avengers,
like that's just like that's another that's another member right there.
It just but speak.
Speaker 1: But can you tell the Tommy story in Young Avengers though,
you know.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to, Like I I don't
want the whole Young Avengers they never find Tommy. Well,
I don't want like a collaboration of Avengers type movie
to be like, let's find tom Let's find Billy's brother,
you know, like I'd want it to be a bigger
deal than that.
Speaker 1: So unless he's got the key to something, right, like,
there's something like is.
Speaker 2: It wild to think like there's gonna be like another
series like this announced with like Agatha and Billy.
Speaker 1: My hope is that they go, hey, like ratings are
what they were, but if that is true, that this
is the least expensive MSU project, and they go, we
kept the budget low and the returns we've gone and
we're happy. Let's do that again with the same thing
and keep the budget relatively sane and then have that,
you know, same thing spooky see like rinse and repeat.
And I'm hoping that the the word and I claim
this will be good and other people will give it
a shot. So I'm not gonna say completely no. I
think I'm like a, I'm like A. I guess I
don't know. Even saying fifty to fifty sounds too high.
I think I'll say, like, I'm a fifty one for
known for for yes, because maybe some of it's the
hype right now, but I just feel like, again, if
it's like the show's started to grow in ratings because
I think word did spread that was good and it
is cheaper budget, that might help it, just the budget
being lower, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like part of me also wouldn't want
them to do like another show carry on with these characters,
because now that now that Billy's got his outfit, I'm like, hey,
put them on the bay screen, like this guy's ready
to shine, he's ready to kick ass. And I would
also be worried that if they jump into another season
maybe just I don't know, maybe I'm maybe I'm predicting
it not to be not even necessarily like a bomb
or something, but like, I just wouldn't want the interest
of the character to just like maybe lose interest because
of another another season of show, and maybe because Catherine
Haunt like she's gonna be in it, but because it's
not like her story, maybe some people will be a
little bit less interested, so.
Speaker 1: Or do they just cheat and call it Agatha Season.
Speaker 2: Two Agatha and Billy, Like I could definitely.
Speaker 1: See something like that, like I think you'd have because yeah,
I think if you just go Billy and if you
call it Wickan or Billy and Tommy, like that's not
gonna work. And that's where I feel like. And I
also feel like you're not gonna get like Liz Olsen
in one of these maybe like I can't. Yeah, but
I don't think she's gonna be like I don't know,
I guess should if it's Billy.
Speaker 2: If it's like a billy story, though, I could definitely
see that happening.
Speaker 1: But it's say that but like she fucking wasn't want
a vision. I'm talking like, oh would she do that?
It's like that's how it's all started. She did a
TV show, right, So, But.
Speaker 2: Like I also feel like Billy is gonna find Tommy
before he finds, you know, Liz Olsen. It just seems
that order of thing. I I I think that would
be sweet, you know, like once they're together, then they
find kind of her together. Yeah, they both find her,
So I don't know. I don't know really one hundred
percent where it would go. Stop Insanity in the comments said,
you know, talked about Vision Quests like and you brought
that up too, so that one would make sense as well.
But I also feel like Vision's just like completely on
his own now. Maybe it's just because it's been so
long now, but like he's got white Vision just just
just out there looking for knowledge.
Speaker 1: And so there's two things. One the other character I
still will talk about later because we told it was
last week Kirkling. I don't want them to forget about death,
and that would be another character I would want them
to incorporate and go forward. We'll talk about more. How
I no pun intent vision in for Vision Quest is
I think that would be a last episode or end
credit scene, because the rumor is that there's lots of
rumors with Vision where it was based on Vision Quest,
but then there's rumors that's based on him setting up
like the West Coast Avengers. Then there's rumors that like
some of the Armour Wars storylines going into his show,
but then there's been rumors that it's doing the Vision
storyline where he creates like a whole robot family and
they go to school, and he has a wife and everything.
I feel like Vision show is mostly going to be him,
and the end credit or something near the end would be, Hey,
let's say Ward gets out there that people so like
it's been reported, remember fucking Spider Man far from Home.
They do that whole you know, tribute PowerPoint thing Visions
in that right, it's confirmed Visions dead, So that's where
the world things Vision's dead, and then Vision comes back.
I would imagine if let's say Agatha and Billy have
not found Tommy yet, that he would probably go stop
and talk with Vision, right, So I don't think it's
out of the round possibility that they're it's connected. I
just don't think that's the show, you know. I don't
think it's the show. Is oh I found I guess
I don't know. Maybe you could do like a I
wouldn't be opposed to some weird road trip show of Vision,
Billy and Agatha trying to go find Like I'm actually
not opposed to that pitch of like, I think this
is such a weird threesome like Vision the Robot, Billy
the Magical Kid, and Agatha the Ghost like walk into
a bar. You know, like, I think the hijinxing again
too is great, but I just hope we see them
either way. You know. So what about you, Taylor, what
do you got some vibes right now where we could
see these two again?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the ultimate question. I mean, uh, I
feel like you could get something in line with you have,
like got Hawkeye his show, and.
Speaker 1: You have well I don't think he's gonna be a Hawkeye.
Speaker 3: What you know, you have like Elena peering up with
Kate Bishop, right, and then you have a wasn't it
at the end? Was it Miss Marvel that cameo in there,
like I'm recruiting people to Kate.
Speaker 1: In the Marvels. The end credit was her recruiting Kate Bishop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, So yeah, I think that you could.
It's hard to tell because really you could get anything
like that. You could get a scene like that that's
setting it up, and it could be in a totally
random project. So I don't know, it's hard to say.
Maybe iron Heart you could see something from so maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean so in the sense of when do you
where would you resolve the storyline up? Tommy that because yeah,
we can get an end credit a camera, but where
is the do they pick up this direct? Hey, they're
looking for Tommy.
Speaker 3: I don't think you're I don't know, you're gonna have
some kind of reference to it. And I imagine with
with Vision Snow Vision doing his thing, but I still
feel like he's kind of off on his own path
a little bit too much to really to heavily be
invested with Billy and with Tommy and everything going on
at the Agatha Ghost. I just don't see them kind
of like connecting in that regard. But I think that
they will share some kind of relation or connection somehow.
But yeah, it's it's tough to say, Like, I don't
think doctor Strange is gonna be coming back into it,
and I say that because of the multiverse of Madness,
So I think that. Ever, Yeah, I just think that
I think that they've alluded it enough that Wanda is
definitely still alive. They've kept that pretty ambiguous and open
the little bit. So I think that you're gonna have
want to come back. You're gonna you're gonna get a reunion.
I think they're probably got it storyboarded where you're gonna
have both the twins. You're gonna have snow Vision, and
you're gonna have Wanda lined up, and who knows, maybe
they throw in a quick silver too. I feel like
maybe they would go that round Bone or they might
do something like that. I just feel like they're they're
bill up towards some kind of uh something climactic and
having some kind of connection with all of them. But
I just couldn't tell you what that project is. It
just seems like all the other projects that we got
right now seem pretty like Boots in the Ground, pretty sane,
uh and I probably forget.
Speaker 1: Their bolts Fantastic four, but that's another multiverse, right, so
that wouldn't count.
Speaker 3: Nothing like Witchy Magic anything like that.
Speaker 1: So my worry is, like, is it the realm possibility
that it doesn't This doesn't get picked up till like
after Secret Wars and Doomsday, like that kind of rumor
we heard.
Speaker 3: About after Doomsday. I could believe that after Doomsday that's
when they pick it up again. So four years from now, regrettably, yeah,
fuck man.
Speaker 1: These nevermind kids, Billy's want to Mavillain visions. Kids are
gonna be a fucking adults paying mortgages when they find them, Like, God,
Tommy's gonna be like in debt, who knows, but uh
uh something in Sandy says, I really love that we
officially of go c MC now come in the long
way since Iron Man. Yeah, it's always funny thing where
you look think of how grounded that two thousand and
eight Iron Man movie was just about a guy making
a suit. Like it's very you know, real worldly. And
now yeah, Agatha is a ghost with a witched student.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So Jeremy says, give me a strange Academy show with
ghosts Agatha as a teacher or principal or something. I
wouldn't mind. I think there's something, there's something you could
do with like her and Wong, Like I think there
is a show you could do a collection of characters.
But that's the problem of like do you start to
run out the budget. Then that's what I don't know.
I'm not, you know, pushing the pennies around. So I
don't know where that's happening. But we'll take another ad
break and then we'll talk about Tommy and death and something.
That stuff will be right back and we're back. So yeah,
we didn't talk about it officially. But like it, you know,
it happened on screen. They found Billy, I guess his
like or Tommy. His ether was just I don't know,
floating around, I guess, which is kind of like I wonder,
like like after three years, he's still flowing around, like
I guess, Like now that's like a stretch because it's combook.
But I just thought, like I thought, there's gonna be
something else more than just he's still just like a
soul out there. But all right, he's a soul. I
really love the scene where he found a kid because
I love that it's Billy, like, ur am I killing
a kid right now so my brother can survive? She
did answer that just like no, it's just like we're
just finding somebody that died and this is a new vessel, right.
But I love that struggle of Billy of like wanting
this thing, but you're possibly committing a really you know,
sinful act and stuff. So I thought that was great
and the whole scene and everything. And then also in
that scene, we this is something I thought was kind
of random and I don't know the whole Uh. Her
name was Kate right right, the one that survived the
other one Jen I thought, Jen, why'd I say, go Kay?
I don't know, but Jen, I thought that was like
a little like the whole reveal that Agatha is the
one that actually bound her and then they do the
ceremony and she goes I. I don't know that that
felt a.
Speaker 2: Little flat for me. I don't know why, Like it
just it didn't have as much of like an impact
of a review as maybe the show was going for.
And then they like when they do the thing and
then she just disappears, like, oh okay, that's just the
end of that character. Like I for how she was
set up and just some of the things that she
was doing, like in the Trials, it's it. It felt
like a character that was gonna have more. But yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It's just like when we talk about how to me,
that whole Billy twists and the riches, the witches rowing,
all the being made up that feels so well planned
out that just like how do we what do we do? Well,
let's just say Agatha, you know, Hope bounder and that's it.
Oh yeah, sure cool because a even does like oh
did you pass through that? Are you like one hundred
years ago? Yes? I did? Did you bound me? It's
just like, I don't know, it just it just that
felt very clunky. It's it felt so clunky that I
maybe rather than just killed Jen off if that's the
way it went, you know, and put more onus on
Billy and just be like, man, I really screwed up here.
But yeah, I that was kind of odd. But like
I said, I like the actual Tommy part. Did you
like that part, Girk when the get finding Tommy some kid?
He's pretty much just fucking Jason Vohrer. He's orgy. He's
getting drowned in the camp right now by a bunch
of kids.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I didn't love the whole
like fever dream type like mind trippy thing that was
going on. It just I don't know, I just didn't
fully understand like what was happening, and I guess and
then when it was revealed what it was, maybe I
thought he was gonna be like a significant individual or something,
but it just it wasn't. For whatever reason, I didn't
really care for it. So I'm curious on a rewatch
how I feel about it. But uh, I'm I'm glad
that we, you know, were getting to Tommy. At least
it wasn't just Tommy's out there, like we were making
steps to finding him here.
Speaker 1: Didn't catch the actor yet because he didn't show his face,
so they're still working on that part. He's face down
the water, which I just wonder, like it was odd
the way they're talking about him, like it's a kid
that drowns and no one's washing him. But I felt
like they were first thing like he just drowned, but
it's it looked like those kids were like like drowning him.
So like, wouldn't it just be like he'd come alive
and they would they would just proceed to drowning him again.
I don't I don't know. I wonder if we'll ever
touch back on that. But do there any thoughts on
the ton reveal and the end of jen story.
Speaker 3: I was almost suspecting that what if Tommy you were
to become more of a villain here because of this.
You know, Billy was just saying he's alone, Billy. Billy
was just saying like he has no one, He's alone.
He's got no family, no friends though, no like no one,
and he's being murdered now by these group of kids.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just.
Speaker 3: To me, that spells origin story for a villain. So
that would just be a cool setup if you were
to get something like Billy versus Tommy, where Billy thought
he was doing the right thing bringing Tommy in. But Tommy,
you know, it'll be the same process as it was
for Billy. He's going to come back into the world.
He's not going to fully understand what's going on or
anything like that, and it's just going to be met
with hate and not love and compassion that he got
from you know, Billy got from his parents, right, So
it's a completely different dynamic, And I think that you
could get a different result where you have like twin
verse twin so, which would be a very cool thing
to see.
Speaker 1: I think you'll get there for like a like a
scene like you'll have them fight and then like it's
me Billy, you know, it's me Tommy, and then that'll
be it. Like I think that'll be the situation happening
right now because he's supposed to get the speed powers, Tommy,
so maybe you won't be able to catch him. But
and yeah, what do you think about gen story? Were
you satisfied by that that Agatha all along again was
the one who bound her?
Speaker 3: I mean, it just happened so quick. I just I
almost missed it. And then all of a sudden, she's
wrapped hair around Agatha's hands and it's saying you are nothing,
you are nothing, like Oh my gosh, I think that
it's it's it's unfortunate that that was just that's the result.
It was just a quick passing scene and they could
have added a little bit more to it. So all
in all, a little bit disappointed with how they executed that.
But I'm happy that Gen made it out. I'm happy
that Jen got her powers. It's pretty cool. So your
flyaway at the there was pretty nice. But I'm imagining
that they got plans for this character and that she
will come back, do you. I'm I reckon, So, I
mean they I think out of all the characters, like
Heart definitely just was there as Kenon Fodder. I co't
with the other girl's name, but the one who started
using her powers on Agatha Alice. So Alice. I think
I liked that we kind of got to send off
for her character. That was kind of that was kind
of nice. But Lilia, the whole last week was kind
of her send up episode when you think about it,
so Yeah, No, I'm just excited to see Jen kind
of keeping at it.
Speaker 1: What I'm excited about, hopefully as being going to talk
about next week or last week, not next week. There's
no Angtha review. That is what they're gonna do with Death.
I very much enjoyed Death in this episode. I still
will liked maybe I'm being you know, don't be green now,
but I would have loved like another flash maybe not
whole flashback episode, but a segment of how Agatha and
Death met. We did see them actually kissed this episode,
which I was surprised because sometimes these Disney you know,
products of this probably is Disney plus the movies that
I don't do that, but I wanted to see like
a little more context on their relationship. We picked up
when Agatha was already pregnant, and which is funny because
at first I make it go, oh, like the whole
show's been like people say, oh, you know, she traded
her son for something, right, and it's oh, ength is
a really bad person. And then when you get to
that first episode nine, you're like, oh, you know, actually
your someone's dying. She just wants some more time and
she got that, and you're like, oh, they had all wrong.
And again, as we said, Engtha ended up to be
worse and there's more bad things she was doing, but
that's what they revealed that I guess Agatha's son was
gonna be dying right at childbirth, so death gave her
some time, which I wanted to get even more conversation
on that when she's like, hey, I'm gonna give you.
All I can give you is time, So it's like, well,
why can't you give her like sixty years? Like I
want to know, like what is the At first I
was like, oh, is there something where she's killing these
witches and that like adds time to it? But no, again,
I guess I was just doing it for herself. So
I would have liked a little more again context on
what is the barometers of what death can give as
far as time wise, right, because with Alice's like, no,
it's not. Because even Alice was like, that's all I get,
that's it, and she's like, oh, you know, if I
had a nicole like she made it seem like very
matter of fact when that happens, it is. And I
will say I liked the visuals. I like when she
showed up. I like when she showed to get Nicholas
and she had the fire torch everything. I will say
for anybody that's interested, if you never watch it, even
if you don't watch the whole series, there's a great
episode of the SAMN on Netflix that's a DC Vertigo
comic and there's an episode that's all about death, and
that is a fucking great episode. So for me, it's
like all the things that I really want a bit
more with death. That episode kind of gets into it.
Obviously very different properties, but I just been like that
concept of I feel like they left a little bit
on the table here, even though all the stuff they're
doing with her I really liked. I kind of I
at it because this Disney show, I kind of wish
they When I get the found her son, I thought
they're gonna give her like a big scene, but they
cut away really fast, probably just because they don't want
to show dead kids on Disney less here. I am
want like some Academy Award like show or crime with
the dead kids with your kids, And that's why I'm like, yeah,
probably not. Why So again, I liked all the death stuff,
just maybe want a bit more of it and more
clarification of it but still fun character.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm I'm really glad that we like like
thinking in hindsight, like just you know, if you're gonna
ask me, like what would you want from a character
like Death? Like would you want a character in a
like in a comic book outfit fighting crime and kicking
ass and they're just called Death and they just like
it's like a rogue like power where they just like
you know, like like this is basically what I wanted.
It's it's like anybody read the book Thief back in
the day or seeing the movie, basically the narrator is Death,
and like I love that book. I it was one
that like I feel like it just like surprised me
reading it back in high school. And it's the same
sort of idea of just like talking about like what
death is. And I really really like seeing Audrey Plaza
in that role here in these I'm like melting them together,
I guess just the finale of this show, like when
she arrives and as soon as soon as she's there,
like Agatha is just like just like crying out to
her and like I'm gonna hate you forever if you
do this right now, even though like she's not murdering
the child. It's just like she's here. Death is here,
and this is what's gonna be happening. I just love
all the all the symbolisms and everything around it. And yeah,
going like fast forwarding to when she comes back for Billy,
like as soon as he wakes up and he's just
looking and just sees her standing there, I'm like, it's
over for you. It's basically Norman Osborne up in the
you know, up in the ceiling, same sort of idea.
But I I just, yeah, I like chills so as
that happen. And then of course it was like a
super emotional scene of her kind of like waking up
and him being there, and is I really I don't know.
I thought it was interesting. I maybe it's just like
a little seed that they threw in there of just death,
like pointing to Billy to like get her to say
or get him to say goodbye to Agatha, like I thought,
I mean, Nicholas, Nicholas, Yeah, sorry, what did I say, Billy?
Speaker 1: I was like, did I already?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I don't know. End credit they opened that door and
she's out there.
Speaker 2: But it seemed interesting because it's it's not something that
was necessary, especially for a character as neutral as what
Death would be.
Speaker 1: But she still loves for Atha though, right her heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I think I think maybe I
was hoping for a little bit more filling in the
cracks of the history between Death and Agatha because because
they didn't know each other, because I thought.
Speaker 1: The seventeen one hundred flashback, that's when, oh, we're gonna
get when she meets Death, and that's where it's like
how this starts up, but she clearly already knew her.
Like you said, it's a great scene, but I wanted
a little more, and that's a storyline where it's like,
I don't think we'll get anything more that Ever, I
think this was the place unless it is literally just
called Agatha season two and they just do that, which
I'm fine with it, or Agatha and Billy whatever, but
if it's them and other projects, I don't think we'll
just always get referred back to, well they were a
couple and that was it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but we got them smooching, you know, she
got the kiss of death here and.
Speaker 1: The kiss of death more.
Speaker 2: In many ways, that was a fantastic scene, and I
think it was just what was I gonna say? Oh, yeah,
that was the last thing I was gonna add on
was uh, maybe that is something that, like my overall
score of the show might get hit a little bit.
It is just because I wanted more of explanations between
Egatha and death and really hoping that this is a
character that does appear. I'm not saying I want this
to be like the main villain of Avengers or anything,
but like, I hope this is a character that pops
in and out and just interacts with other people in
our because you know, like she would have seen Tony
Stark right, like she would have met Tony stars I imagine,
like like she should have met all these people, So
I hope there is significance. And also just having Audrey
Plaza or Audrey Aubrey Plaza like in the role and
just having you know the potential of her interacting with
a lot of different actors that are in the MCU,
both past and present. I think the possibility of that
is really enticing and exciting.
Speaker 1: I think that the tough things we talked about this
last week where it's like, yeah, you can't, I wants
like that, but then you also can't have like every
character that dies, Aubrey Plaza comes like, hey, I'm death.
Speaker 2: Like just makes out with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every character. I think what I would want is
I was gonna say a what if episode, but not
necessarily that I would love them to do, and I
think it would have to be animated. But if they did,
like a Marvel special presentation, it's animated. And if you're
to take like Phase one to three and just pick
I don't know, five to six characters and have an
animated show of like her mini stories of her interacting again,
it would be like a one shot done. I don't
think you'd do it weekly because I don't think people
wild tune in, but just like Halloween Special of Death meeting,
a Tony Stark meeting, even if you want to pick
like little characters like fucking I don't know. Like Jensen
from Ironman one, how he inspired like he because he
says that whole thing about like I'm going to remember
he talks about he's gonna go see his family that
whole movie and then he's like, Oh, I gotta get
you out here because you're gonna die. You gotta see
your family. I am gonna see my family stuff like
that where it's like that's a minor character, and I'm
sure I'm probably pitching the worst show tomorrow. Stud It's like,
you want us to do a story in Jensen, but
it's like, fuck yeah, like that story like him going
to meet his family. Like I think there'd be great
potential of certain characters, even if it's like a bigger
one like a Natasha. I don't know if they would
ever touch Ireman, but I would take that, like certain characters,
even like a villain, you know, take I don't take
a kill monger. Take that, like think about like what
that character goes to when they die, when they have
this mission and everything, and it's like a very conflicted thing.
Like I would love it a you know, forty five
minute animated thing death interacting with five to six characters
of the MSU that pass and just see what it
would be. But I don't know if we get that.
And the other point I want to bring before I
forget is it's funny. We talked about this last week,
how I was saying it in Infinny were the comic
book that Thanos the whole time is trying to impress death.
It felt like in some of the especially episode eight,
there's many times where death is just like trying to
impress Agatha, which is interesting because it's kind of like
a flip of that character, even though she has so
much power. But yeah, and I didn't really understand. That's
I think I didn't really understand the deal they were
making of I guess that the it just felt odd that, okay,
so she would kill Tommy going in, Sorry, Billy going
to someone's body is ruining the I can't remember what
it was. Wasn't a sacred time, sacred bounce? It was right,
that's what they said, right, I think she said sacred something. Remember,
I'll say its sacred bounce. So again another sacred thing
for the supernatural side. She says, Okay, Billy going into
someone's body has like thrown off the sacred bounce, even
though it's been that way for three years. But whatever,
cool like, and then she's like, well, I can't kill
him because he'll go elsewhere, so I need him to
sacrifice himself. But I also need Tommy to get into
a soul so that doesn't throw it off. That felt
obviously nowhere near as convoluted and as bad as what
we just talked about with then in this past week,
but that just felt like, oh, so like you need
him to give himself up, like and why would he
ever do that? It just felt like because especially when
she's like it's you or him, and it's like, well,
he doesn't have to do anything. You literally told us
if you kill him, he's just gonna go somewhere else.
So I thought that whole deal thing with Billy's body
and everything, I think they could have they could have
cleaned that up a little bit.
Speaker 2: I I yeah, I was rather missy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tay, what were your thoughts on uh death for
our last two episodes here?
Speaker 2: I was gonna just add on to your little your
show of death and uh, I want to see the
episode when death comes and meets this guy and that's
just his reaction, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Emperor Drogue for people about uh watching.
Speaker 3: But we've got a similar scene where Billy was in
the shower and he wipes his hand on the mirror
and like, roady, this guy's just You're.
Speaker 1: Right, we did fucking get that, that roady scene and
everything like that, but.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah in front of the mirror, right, Remember though, Kirkland,
Emperor drog is still alive.
Speaker 1: He got on that ship with the few the dozens
of scrolls that were left. The gotta wait for season
two of Death to get that to you know, see
that going on even then, someone no, even then, I
don't want to pitch this live on air because I
don't want someone to steal. But I just feel like,
you know, even a movie or show about depth, imagine
if you can like great political figures or famous people
or celebrity like a fictitious version of when they die.
Speaker 2: But I digress to film people that are not dead.
Speaker 1: Like real life, like really like imagine like okay, what
did I'm trying to think of? Like JFK Let's on
the head and like you get a character like Allreplaza.
They're not gonna use the MCU death. I'm just saying,
like you hire an actor death and they talk about
like you get different decades of someone of importance dying.
They be balls into a Jesus portion of the film.
But that's why that you know, somebody don't do that.
Take this out so I can do it one day.
But finally talk about death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she was very, very scary, and I
think Aubrey Plaza probably had a huge amount of fun
playing this role her like a real look where she's
got like this half of her face as a skull
and the top faces like skin very cool, really really
like it, and just how she does have this pre
existing relationship obviously with Agatha, we've come to learn her relationship,
but when she appears during the childbirth scene with Agatha,
it almost feels like, Okay, yeah, they definitely have something
going on here. That's even like who knows how long
before this because when I got this like yeah, I
hate you forever, that just implies like okay, then she's
definitely been with her for a while, which is interesting,
and maybe death just took a liking to her. Well yeah,
I guess at this one she has killed a lot
of witches. Maybe that's why death has taken a liking
to her because it adds up. I guess when we're
in them in the Witch's Road. I can't remember which trial,
but they talk about how death is like, yeah, you
send me bodies, that's the deal, right, So there's obviously
some kind of mutual agreement that they have there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. So again, wish wish we got a
little bit more, but trying to think, is there anything
we haven't touched upon Billy's Billy's parents, I don't know.
It was weird to have that scene like you've been
gone for twenty four hours explained and then never see
them again.
Speaker 2: It's like, no consequence, we probably will never see those
characters ever.
Speaker 1: No, like, don't even have that scene have him come
home at night, he sneaks back in the house. It
was just like, good for the actors, get some money.
Speaker 2: But it was just like I was like confused on
who these characters were.
Speaker 3: At first.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, he is like parents, That's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Other parents, yeah, so, but yeah, any anywhere else to go?
I'm trying to think if there was something we haven't
touched upon yet. Talked about the Witch's Road being fake,
talked about Billy. Oh, that's when they want to point
out that Tear said what I love about the Flipper
and why I can't wait to watch this is We
didn't know for sure, but we were like this is
again talking about theories. When we started Wanavision, We're like,
this is all in Wanda's head or she's doing something right.
We had that theory, we just didn't know how exactly.
It happened. That's where I loved, like we almost got
to be like a Westview person as a viewer, to
experience what it would be like to be in a
reality shifting spell or make believe world and not know
it till the very end. Even Billy, right, like even Wanda,
she at first didn't realize what was going on, and
then she realized it and wanted to keep it going
on the fasade right, this whole out of grief. She
created this world and vision the kids. But Billy, he
like accidentally did this just kind of out of force
and nature and like just willing to, like I want
my brother back, and here's a way. So I did
like the kind of juxtaposition of wanavision. You kind of
know episode one or two some things off right where
this you don't know to the last two episodes that
something was really off. So again that's a kudos to
the twist. But I just like the way of them
not tell telling us that earlier, because you get to
really feel like this whole time was you know, you
were in it, and the Witch's Road was just completely
made up. I wish again that he may would have
imagined some cooler places other than like the the Housewives
thing and the band, but you know that's okay, whatever's
in your room. And I also like now too. It
makes the end credits even better because all those things
when it's like why are they showing like movie clips
of different witch like the Craft and snow White, It's like, well,
that's it's exactly like his mom in the sense of
remember she based this reality off of Wanta vision off
of comedies. He's basing this off of like horror films
and Witchcraft. So again, very very fun way to do it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it kind of chuckled when Billy is doing
like his little ritual thing like on the door of
the of the Richest Road and then he does like
basically like the headstone for who fell, you know, upon
the road and a confirmation Sharon Davies like did die.
I feel like part of me still was like, ah,
she probably like you know, probably got sent by to
Wesbew or something like they really just killed this like
poor lady on this, which yeah she did and Billy
did it, so that's even crazier.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and even like I guess this the Salem
seven or six, they were real, right, I guess right, Yeah,
he didn't make those they just got killed.
Speaker 2: By that was deaths right. That made comment to that
of like, yeah, she killed the Salem seven with her, But.
Speaker 1: Then I guess those imaginary swords that they die by
are real that he imagines.
Speaker 2: So and you know, we talked about it last week, Travis,
like even like having her bring up the Salem Seven
again reminded me of how like lackluster the Salem Seven
were overall in the show. I don't know if I
want to say, like I wish they weren't in the show,
because I did enjoy like the scary moments that they
were in and the early portions of the series, But.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just having fairy Knights of Rhenish.
Speaker 2: Have a dumber name, you know, for a dumber villain,
like it sounds bad ass. It's like a Sinister six
the Salem seven.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Saints friend where they look cool, some cool
potential button not they were just some bad guys on
the side. So but I think that I think that's
all the majority of things. Luckily, we will talk about
the show again when we do the the or just
the Marvel Golden gigs, so we'll get Dylan's thoughts, and
I don't know if I rewatch it, but I would
like to before even some of it. But I think
that's all her thoughts I have for Agatha.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to double down on Aubrey Plaza's performance
when she's really like in the death Zone, like when
she has her clash with with Agatha, and she's just
like being very like she's really just chewing the scenery
and being like really loud. She's doing like that witch
cackle to kind of just taunt her. I really just
it's like, okay, yeah, she's she's swinging up for the
fences here. I feel like the background I kind of
wish she wasn't in front of just like the big storm.
It's just it's screen screen. Yeah, it felt like it
took me out of it a little bit, but she
was fantastic there.
Speaker 1: Poor West. Few people there're just like fuck this again, Like.
Speaker 2: The Willem Dafoe meme just up to the skies.
Speaker 1: They even had a character being like is what happening again?
And they guess maybe it's like fuck what? And then
even then like Billy walks up. Yeah, like I would
be out of like Billy walks out all hooded. Agatha
is buried in the backyard, which I wonder, like, does
Ralph Boner get his house back now that Agatha is dead?
Speaker 2: It was his house, right, I feel like he would
have moved.
Speaker 1: He did, but like his stuff's still there, his Boner
family ringion shirts and everything. So but yeah, I don't
think he'd go back. He's probably playing it smart. So
ay there anything from you? No?
Speaker 3: I got nothing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you can start off by what would you
uh rate this bad point? Now you've seen all nine episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am going to go with a good hearty
I'll go eight out of ten. It's not perfect, and
I have to put a con down on the fact
that some of those try else felt a little bit repetitive,
even though in the end it's just all a simulation theory,
just because of what Billy season is a room and
the different objects that he associates affiliates with.
Speaker 1: But as the writers, you could you could put anything
in that room. That's absolutely don't give that Philly is
not a real person that put up his room. The
writers are like, oh, I guess we got to put
that in there. Like, no, they could have put any thing.
Speaker 3: In there, you could do anything. So that's where I'm
gonna put a couple of cons down. But other than that,
I liked it a lot more than I thought I would.
And maybe I'm biased because it's spooky season right now
and the Halloween vibes are a peak. So yeah, I
think that this is definitely a show that people should watch.
It's it's a good time and you're gonna have a
lot of fun with it, and it's just nice to
have this kind of like fresh different approach and take
to to your classic Marvel superheroes and uh like anti
heroes and whatnot. It's just it's a it's a really
fun different approach to it, and I like that. I
hope that we get more magic monsters and all that
in the MCU. I know, with Blade being delayed and
no Ghostrider yet, it's feeling hopeless.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I could be wrong, because what we got
what would be the supernatural stuff this like Wanavision moonm Okay,
I consider Moonnight, uh.
Speaker 3: Even just because of the undead Mummy. That's why I
would give it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, I would still not put it there.
I think there's isms, but I would say they failed
on that part, but like other than that, like Multiverse
of Madness, this wear off by night. I feel like
for the most part, at least for myself, the supernatural
monster stuff they've done has been in the wind category.
So I hope that continues, you know, m Kirkman.
Speaker 2: I get to remind myself of the marks I'm taking away.
I know I'm very leaning eight point five, but I
feel like I'm gonna have to boost it to eight
point seven five at least, like like not to the
nine because of you know, Salem seven and maybe missing
out on some potential good juice of between Agathan and Death.
I liked what we got, but I wanted more because
it was so good. But yeah, I think like the performances,
especially from Catherine Hawn and like didn't really talk about
her like performance wise a lot in this episode maybe
the last couple, but like she's just she is just
a knock out of the park every single episode.
Speaker 1: Like she was really fazy too man, Like she just delivered.
You get to see every version of her like funny,
a little romantic, serious, scared, sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like where is a mom like like like
with Nick, Like I just love those moments she she
was acting as like a vulnerable mother in those scenes,
and like she even even when she's staring down death
and like you got the dried up tears in her eyes.
I think that might have been at the start of
the episode episode I don't know eight or and I
can't remember now they're all mixed together. But I just
I love the range that she showed throughout this entire series.
And I felt like any moments that it seemed like
she was on the ropes or like a little bit
more on her back foot, she would just come in
with that like Agatha Harkness, like charisma and like confidence
in herself, and like, I just I just love seeing
her perform. And uh yeah, I'm a big fan Catherine.
She's fantastic. But yeah, eight point seventy five so definitely
definitely like better than I would have expected coming in
to the show. I think I would have hoped for
like at least a seven, you know, just to enjoy it.
So I'm glad that it it surpassed that in many ways.
And uh, yeah, you have us some more exciting trials
please next time. Yeah, but that's on teen, you know,
that's on Billy. That's his fault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, Billy fucking you better get a better
room next season, you know. So yeah, I I think
I'll go in the middle of an eight point five.
I could be with Kirkland on an eight point seventy five.
I need to stew a little bit more. Nine feels
like nine is like in a different class. And I
think there is some episodes where it is like God,
and I don't Here's one thing. I don't think there
was any episode that was bad. I think there's episodes
that was varying degrees of quality, but there was one
where it's okay, uh oh, a little worried, let's see
what happens. So yeah, that's I'm gonna go eight point
five for now. But honestly, way low wait or way
higher than I thought. Like even when I said it
starting time, like that's probably seven. So for just even
two episodes for me to make it go up a
whole one point five is a lot. And even when
the show started, I thought I was looking at like hopefully,
I was hoping for a six, you know, And even
in some of the trailers and some of the marketing,
it's like, eh, I'm really worried, but no, I think
they they delivered very well, and that's that's what I mean,
like to me, if MCU stuff can get back just
even being seven, like, of course, I'm sure there could
be some stinkers, but I guess we for a while
it didn't have any stinkers for like a good phase
one to three. But like, I'm fine with seven out
of ten stuff that's good quality stuff. So if it's
anything higher than that, we're lucky. Obviously can't even get
things to be call like guaranteed to be like a
ten or something, but eight point five, I'm very happy.
Like we said Catherine haun like, and that's the thing
I thought, Okay, this series might be ending up being fine,
but just because she's so good, I'll enjoy it. But
to be double where she you know, the show was
more than fine. She was great. And now there's things
like when we talk about Young Avengers, it's like, Okay,
I am more excited to see a billy in there
and stuff. So yeah, I'm very excited to see where
we could go. But I hope that the follow up
is there. And like I said, at some point in
this episode, it's not four years later and we're like, oh,
we've heard nothing about this, and the hypes is dad
and it said, well we've been past that. But no,
I was very surprised, and like I said, I'm surprised.
It's like a top twenty five project for me, so
very very happy with how this all turned out, because
I feel like there's a there's a multiverse of this
review where we're just sitting here every week and like
oh fucking Agatha or like I don't care if people
might come mad at me saying it. That's Acolyte Aco
lite to me is every week I'm just like, fuck, man,
like what are we doing here? What? There's this problem?
This problems like that happened this year to a show
then or ago Echo not so much because that was
a binge, so it just like all together. But we
were there at Acolte had been very excited and for
me just like every week being disappointed, where this is
like very pleasant surprise.
Speaker 2: So well got it. You know, there's still some still
some gold nuggets in those MCU minds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did lie. We said at the beginnings,
this is the end the MCU for the year. I
guess technically it is because they did announce that what
off Season three is going to drop in December, but
they're doing the thing where there's gonna be one a day,
so I think that I won't be here for that,
but I think the boys will probably review when it's
all together, and I don't think it'll be done till January.
So technically this is it for the MCU and stuff,
but we got newscasts in the future some shot'll tell about,
like those what if trailers and stuff like that Friend
the Neighborhood Spider Man and everything, so until then it
will not be boring, but