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<v Speaker 1>They are good things.

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<v Speaker 2>We will share some good news, but we also have

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<v Speaker 2>some sobering topics to discuss, and one of those I

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<v Speaker 2>want to just jump right into because I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>great guest joining us here, and as many of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a week ago yesterday was a horrific attack in Boulder

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<v Speaker 2>where the person who was from Egypt here illegally through

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<v Speaker 2>Molotov cocktails and to a crowd of individuals who were

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<v Speaker 2>simply there helping people remember the hostages that were taken

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred and thirteen days ago by Hamas in a

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<v Speaker 2>brutal attack. And it is time for us to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we all understand that we have a role to

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<v Speaker 2>play to de escalate the anti Semitism that is going on,

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<v Speaker 2>the normalization of violence and standing up for those who

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to read individuals like this out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of our country.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me today is a dear friend, someone who is

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<v Speaker 2>a patriot.

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<v Speaker 1>He serves on the South Metro.

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<v Speaker 2>Fire District Board, has served in many different ways. He

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<v Speaker 2>is an American citizen, has lived in Israel and is

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<v Speaker 2>always helping us have a perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>On what is really going on. And that is Rich

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<v Speaker 1>Socle Rich, thank you so much. For joining me. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, it's my pleasure to be with you. I wish

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<v Speaker 3>you could be under better circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know, one of these times I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>have you come on. You're a really funny guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes we're going to have you come on and just

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<v Speaker 2>tell jokes. But that is not today, unfortunately. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to jump right into it with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the years that I've done radio, you and I've

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<v Speaker 2>been on the air right after October seventh, I want

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<v Speaker 2>people to remember that day because when we forget the

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<v Speaker 2>horrors of that attack, that barberism, just give us a

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<v Speaker 2>very quick overview again of what happened that day, Rich,

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<v Speaker 2>how many people were killed by hamas and those are

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<v Speaker 2>brittal attacks, how many hostages Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. So we actually should go back to nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>forty eight when Israel was formed. Five Arab argies attacked

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<v Speaker 3>Israel on the day of it declared its independence, and

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<v Speaker 3>no one thought Israel would win because they were outnumbered

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and one outgunn outmanned out everything. And yet

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<v Speaker 3>they want But unfortunately there's still been a large part

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<v Speaker 3>of the Arab population that does not accept the existence

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<v Speaker 3>of a Jewish state in their mins, so they are

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<v Speaker 3>sworn to its destruction. And they have been fighting Israel

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<v Speaker 3>basically ever since. There's in several wars. So most people

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<v Speaker 3>in Israel think of this as just a continuation of

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<v Speaker 3>Israel's war for existence. So on October seventh, Hamas which

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<v Speaker 3>is the Islamic terrorist group. Hamas means Islamic resistance movement,

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<v Speaker 3>and they control the Kaza Strip after Israel unilatterally pulled

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<v Speaker 3>out and gave it to the Gazans that unfortunately, they

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<v Speaker 3>voted in Hamas, which is an internationally recognized terrorist organization

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<v Speaker 3>and has amass ruled the Gaza Strip since two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and seven. And instead of building power plants and infrastructure

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<v Speaker 3>and airports, Hamas instead has built tunnels to house their

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<v Speaker 3>terrorists and to house their weapons and set up their

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<v Speaker 3>communications network. And HAMAS has been attacking Israel on and

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<v Speaker 3>off ever since they took power in two thousand and seven. Yeah, confederation, And.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I want to point out real quickly when

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<v Speaker 2>people talk about the civilian casualties in Gaza Strip, those

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<v Speaker 2>tunnels were purposely built under schools and under hospitals where

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<v Speaker 2>HAMAS has used human shields, So so many of the

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<v Speaker 2>casualties were because of the way Hamasa that that was purposeful,

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<v Speaker 2>that was intentional, and I just want to make that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's know, I think you were leading up to

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<v Speaker 2>October seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>So on October seventh, Hamas again attack, and this time, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>they were much more successful than they had in the past,

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<v Speaker 3>and roughly three thousand terrorists breached the fence that separates

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<v Speaker 3>ca Isral from Gaza, and they overran several military posts nearby.

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<v Speaker 3>They overran several communities nearby, killing all the inhabitants people.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm store aware of the music festival. They were in

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<v Speaker 3>the large music festival going on nearby, and paragliders from

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<v Speaker 3>Hamasque came in and killed hundreds of young people who

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<v Speaker 3>were accept The theme of the music festival was peace

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<v Speaker 3>and love. Unfortunately Hamas didn't get that memo, and on

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<v Speaker 3>that day, roughly twelve hundred Israeli civilians were killed and

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and fifty five were taken hostage back to Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then you mentioned yeah, go ahead, no go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>for no continue and we know.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, as you mentioned, there's still fifty five hostages

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<v Speaker 3>left inside Gaza, in the tunnels of Gaza As. Some

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<v Speaker 3>of them have been rescued or released in prisoner in swaps.

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<v Speaker 3>We hear the stories of how they are literally tortured.

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<v Speaker 3>They're literally starved, they're chained. The average food is in

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a piece of moldy bread a day. They're

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<v Speaker 3>being brutalized by their captors, and some of them, when

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<v Speaker 3>they've been released, they literally look like they've come out

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<v Speaker 3>of a concentration camp. Yeah. So Hamas is brutal, brutal, brutal,

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<v Speaker 3>And why the world doesn't see this is beyond me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, And one one quick thing when when

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<v Speaker 2>you see everybody, I feel like the world is looking

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<v Speaker 2>for a cause, but they're embracing the wrong ones, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>embracing and standing up for people who are here illegally,

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<v Speaker 2>not all of whom are criminals, but many are. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to cause to stand up for, let's stand

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<v Speaker 2>against a true barbarism that is happening. The fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you and I've talked to Rich, we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>the unedited Hamas body cam footage. There is no moral

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<v Speaker 2>equivalency here between anything other than Hamas and pure barbarism.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrorism, horrific activities.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we go to Boulder a little bit over

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<v Speaker 2>a week ago, and this was a group called Run

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<v Speaker 2>for their Lives. I think it's a great name because

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<v Speaker 2>the fifty five remaining hostages, now six hundred and thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>days in captivity, cannot run for their lives. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is the only reason that they were there. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you have this horrendous attack by an Egyptian national who

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<v Speaker 2>was here illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about something you brought up.

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<v Speaker 2>An interesting point, by the way, because people are always

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<v Speaker 2>looking at an instance and trying to fit into whatever

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<v Speaker 2>narrative they want to push.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, obviously this happened in Boulder.

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<v Speaker 2>The individual traveled all the way up from Colorado Sprains.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk about what you found interesting about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? So we know the perpetrate came from Colorado Springs

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<v Speaker 3>and he drove all the way up. I twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>asked Denver to Boulder to commit this attack. Now, the

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<v Speaker 3>group Run for Their Lives has two walks here every Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>One is actually in wash Park here in Denver, and

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<v Speaker 3>the other is in Bolder. So the perpetrator throw literally

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<v Speaker 3>on I twenty five asked the wash Park march and

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<v Speaker 3>went all the way up to Boulder. So the question

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<v Speaker 3>is why did he do that? Why didn't he just

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<v Speaker 3>go to the closer one in wash Park? And we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know the answer, of course, but people are speculating

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<v Speaker 3>it's because of the difference in concealed carry laws between

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<v Speaker 3>Denver and Boulder. So in Denver and public spaces, you

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<v Speaker 3>were allowed to conceal carry. In Boulder you are not.

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<v Speaker 3>So what struck me when I saw the videos of

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<v Speaker 3>what happened when he threw the molotov cocktails. There are

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<v Speaker 3>literally people on the ground, his victims, these peaceful marchers

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground on fire, and other people nearby, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>are getting water and trying to bounce the fires out.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile the perpetrator is just walking back and forth, nearly

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<v Speaker 3>ten feet away from where the people are that he

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<v Speaker 3>just set on fire, and no one's taking the guy out.

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<v Speaker 3>We got very lucky last Sunday, and that he threw

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<v Speaker 3>two molotov cocktails. He had over a dozen more with

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<v Speaker 3>him that he could have thrown. Because you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>police are great. The first responders got there pretty quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>but it still took three minutes from the first nine

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<v Speaker 3>to one call to the time the police apprehended him.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about the damage he could have done in that

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<v Speaker 3>three minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, that's a huge point.

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<v Speaker 3>There was someone if there had been someone there who

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<v Speaker 3>could have taken the guy out. In retrospect, I wish,

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<v Speaker 3>of course there would have been, But yeah, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we have to recognize what our laws are

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<v Speaker 3>and why this guy went to Boulder instead of doing

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<v Speaker 3>this in Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you and I were talking about people this are

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<v Speaker 2>evil and I don't use that word very often, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly in this case, I don't know another word that

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<v Speaker 2>I could possibly use. But they're not stupid. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>the same case when you look at there were a

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<v Speaker 2>theater shooter went past numerous theaters closer to his home

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<v Speaker 2>and went to one specifically that was a quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>gun free zone. They know where to go to have

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<v Speaker 2>maximum damage. And the horrific perpetrator of this action in Boulder,

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<v Speaker 2>as we know, had been denied a permit. It can

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<v Speaker 2>still carry permit. But once again, that actually proves the point.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter the method of destruction that someone uses.

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<v Speaker 1>It matters the person and their intent.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's people driving cars into gatherings, whether it is

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<v Speaker 2>someone now doing homemade molotov cocktails. If to desire and

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<v Speaker 2>the hate is there, they will find a way no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what the.

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<v Speaker 1>Tool they use.

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<v Speaker 2>And like you said, you know antisecond Amendment can still carry.

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<v Speaker 2>Anti can seal carry laws only keep the good people

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<v Speaker 2>from carrying the weapons, not those who wish to do ill.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about this aspect, Rich, because I

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<v Speaker 2>know I can imagine, and I've got many friends like

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<v Speaker 2>you are who are Jewish, and what this rise in

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism, how it's impacting you. And I want people

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<v Speaker 2>to hear this directly, and I want anyone listening to

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<v Speaker 2>put yourself in the position of someone who is Jewish today,

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<v Speaker 2>a parent.

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<v Speaker 1>A grandparent.

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<v Speaker 2>Rise of anti Semitism has risen by almost nine hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent in the last ten years in our country. The

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Defamation League has said that in Colorado nearly four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent and five years. You're a parent, Rich, tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what this is like and whether it's doing to

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<v Speaker 2>so many in your community.

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<v Speaker 3>So there is just out and outphere right now in

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<v Speaker 3>our community, Jewish people feel very unsafe. I know yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>I was at synagogue and at all synagogue events now

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<v Speaker 3>and my synagogue we have to have an arm guard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, five years ago we didn't have an arm guard.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just not my synagogue, that's every synagogue in

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<v Speaker 3>America basically now has to have arm guard. We have

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<v Speaker 3>people trained at our synagogue that patrol the grounds, that

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<v Speaker 3>carry just so that we're prepared in case something happens.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think even more so than just that, we

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<v Speaker 3>also fear for our children. So, for example, one of

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<v Speaker 3>my children is going to the East Coast on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 3>to a Jewish leadership seminar, and my wife and I

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<v Speaker 3>are having the discussion should she wear anything that identifies

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<v Speaker 3>her as being Jewish. She wears a Star of David

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<v Speaker 3>around her neck, so we're discussing whether or not, seeing

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<v Speaker 3>the other kids she's going with, should they even wear that,

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<v Speaker 3>because if they're identified as Jewish, they could be at risk.

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<v Speaker 3>We know other Jewish families, most Jewish families, on their doorposts,

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<v Speaker 3>called a mezuzza, which is a squirrel with a prayer inside.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the Jewish families are now thinking of

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<v Speaker 3>Now let me say against this. I think by doing

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<v Speaker 3>never let the terrorist win. We can't alter what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to stand up, stand strong, stand louds down proud.

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<v Speaker 3>But the fear is still there. And who would have

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<v Speaker 3>thought this could have happened in our backyard, dead up

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<v Speaker 3>the road. Yeah, you know it takes a flamethrow and

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<v Speaker 3>throwsmallo tough cocktails at elderly people who are just marching,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, for release of hostages. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>that people want to know for the march. You could

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<v Speaker 3>be any political persuasion, and there are people on the left,

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<v Speaker 3>there are people on the right. This is not a

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<v Speaker 3>political state about the Israeli cause of war. All it

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<v Speaker 3>was was we want to bring attention to the hostages

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<v Speaker 3>and get our hostages home. There's no other political statement

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<v Speaker 3>than that. Yeah, and yet the guy who did this

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to kill Zionis, who wanted to kill Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, and he made that very clear. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm grateful that for once, when we see an attack

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<v Speaker 2>like this, there isn't this long pause of what we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to figure out his motive.

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<v Speaker 2>He said what his motive was, he wanted to kill

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<v Speaker 2>Zionists in any way anywhere he could.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to end with this, Rich And if.

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<v Speaker 2>You're tuning in Deborah Floor sitting in for Mandy Connell,

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<v Speaker 2>my guest, Rich Sokele. You know you pointed out that

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<v Speaker 2>people that were there in Bolder a week ago and

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<v Speaker 2>also then yesterday, therefore a positive, peaceful reason standing up

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<v Speaker 2>for releasing of hostages, you know, not realizing that that's

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<v Speaker 2>what that was about, or maybe did and didn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>But people need to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when we talk about the moral equivalency of

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<v Speaker 2>But this moral equivalency where they're trying to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, well, Israel killed individuals in Gaza, which we've

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<v Speaker 2>The whole moral equivalency idea, which is false. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>share something beautiful that you talked with me about of

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<v Speaker 2>what the true Jewish goal is? And as a Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, kind of a grafted mind, it's my

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<v Speaker 1>You just said it so beautifully.

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<v Speaker 3>So we as Jewish people that believe that God gave

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<v Speaker 3>us a purpose, and that purpose is coined in the

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<v Speaker 3>Hebrew phrase tikun olam. Tikun means to repair and olam

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<v Speaker 3>means the world. So we believe the purpose, the reason

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<v Speaker 3>for the Jewish people is to repair the world wherever

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<v Speaker 3>we see injustice, wherever we see suffering, and so many

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<v Speaker 3>of us have dedicated our lives to that, so we

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<v Speaker 3>know we have a long ways to go, and of

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<v Speaker 3>course we invite all peoples to join us. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is not just a Jewish cause, it's a human cause.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're also taught that we may not be able

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<v Speaker 3>and we hope others follow us until we can create

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<v Speaker 3>a better and more perfect world. Yeah, and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we try and do, and that's what we urge others

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I tell you, I know I'm joining you. I

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<v Speaker 2>know many others will, And that is really one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons why I want to end with that rich

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<v Speaker 2>because it's such a beautiful way for listeners to understand

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<v Speaker 2>the tamping down of this hate, of this anti semitism,

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<v Speaker 2>of this dehumanizing, of this normalization of violence. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to take every single one of us and you and

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked a lot about there's two battlefields here for

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, the fight against the barbarism in the

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<v Speaker 1>There is the actual battlefield, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Military battlefield, and then there's a battlefield a public opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and every one of us can be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>that and say this is wrong, this is a human goal,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's join with the beautiful Jewish statement of tikun.

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<v Speaker 1>Olam to repair the world. I think that's beautiful. Thank you, Rich.

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<v Speaker 2>We're heading to a break, but I so appreciate you joining,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend, and I want you to know I'm speaking

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<v Speaker 2>for myself, but I know I'm speaking for many others.

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<v Speaker 2>We are praying for you, We're praying for our Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>to feel like they're afraid for their children if they

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<v Speaker 2>wear something expressing their identity or their faith.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much, my friend, Bev.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. If your listeners want to join us at

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<v Speaker 3>Run for their Lives at the walk, it's Denver's ten

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<v Speaker 3>am on Sundame Boulders at eleven am. You could just

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<v Speaker 3>google it, but that's a tangible way that you can

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<v Speaker 3>say we stand for good, we stand for fixing our world,

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<v Speaker 3>and we stand against terrorists.

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<v Speaker 1>Here here, we will be there, we will be joining you.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for that. Thank you, Rich We're heaving

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<v Speaker 2>to your break you take care and God.

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<v Speaker 1>Bless you, God bless you, Thank you, thank you. Bye bye. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we're going to talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about this, but I want us all to

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<v Speaker 2>think about that phrase. Take kun olam repair the world.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not responsible for doing it solely. God ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>has to do it. But the reality is we are

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<v Speaker 2>not off the hook for doing our best in that

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<v Speaker 1>That's a hopeful part.

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<v Speaker 2>We come back, we'll continue that conversation if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to text in five six six nine zero. That's five

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<v Speaker 2>six six nine zero. This is Deborah Flora sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>for Mandy Connell.