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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now

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it's time for the Paranormal peep Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Neil from the Paranormal peep Show and

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now we can can you with this month with Part

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two of the Paranormal Peep Show where we carry on

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talking with Preston Dennett and our additional guest Michael Horn,

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stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: So as much as I'm glad to see President Trump

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sign an executive order to declassify the JFK files, and

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as Chuck Schumer says, now do UFOs. But and it's

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clearly that there's an intent there within the executive of

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this of this new administration. But how likely is it

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to be successful? Do you think how much authority does

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Trump or Nancy Mace or Tim Burchett or any of

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these people really have over this when you consider that,

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you know, Matt Gates, was it Matt Gates and Anapauline

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and Luna they were turned away from a military base.

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They were told you can't come in here, and it says,

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don't tell us that we are your your governments. You

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can't keep us out of here, and they say, yes

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Speaker 4: Well that's the look that question. I don't know that

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our president is the one who is running the country

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natural or the legislation, legislative brand, or the judicial branch,

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or any of them. Because if you trace the cover up,

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who's the folks behind it, it's the highest levels of

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the military, non elected officials, and even beyond that, because

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you can't give a freedom of information request to a

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private corporation.

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Speaker 3: The nursery industrial complex.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these are the folks behind the cover up. One

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percenters to some degree, corporations, energy industry, pharmaceutical industry, banking

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and insurance industries. I think these are the ones probably

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who have some influence on.

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Speaker 3: All of this.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's the intelligence agencies Kantagon, the CIA, the FBI,

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the NSA so forth, are in the know who are

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controlling this, but I think are probably being used by

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the ultra rich, the cabal. To speak, for lack of

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a better word.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, just so far as the

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banking industry goes, I mean, we've all heard this phrase,

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you know, billions owed, you know countries, you know UK

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for instance, twenty two billion pound black hole debt, but

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nobody ever asks it, certainly in the mainstream, who is

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the money owed too. When we talk about countries in

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debt and we talk about these the huge trillion or

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quadrillion you know, debts, who is the ode too? And

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people say, oh, I am f the international moneycy fund,

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Well who owns that? Then you know that nobody asks, well,

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who owns that? And when you get back to it,

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exactly as you said, Preston, what we're talking about is

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this this cabal, this elite group of banking families running

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the whole show.

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Speaker 3: After David Rothcoff wrote a book called Superclass, which is

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a very interesting the instance you read, because it talks

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about that there is literally a kind of breakaway civilization.

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He puts it in the world of finance and industry

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things like that, but of course it involves technology, It

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involves a study of secret science and things like this,

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which he doesn't bring up in his book. But it's

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still it's still relevant, I think. But I don't want

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to sound defeatist here because I don't believe it's a

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lost cause. And clearly there is a will now, I

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mean there's more of a will within the executive and

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legislature in the United States to address this point that

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they ever has. I've ever seen before.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the legislative branch does have the authority to

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oversight spending in the intelligent agencies.

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Speaker 3: They're exerting their muscles in a way that past administrations didn't.

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And I'm not defeatist about this, but it is. People

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sometimes have this idea that the president, they call the

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President of the United States, the most powerful man in

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the world. Actually he's not. His power is very limited,

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not just by the US Constitution itself, but also by

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this reality that you've just you Andy in President have

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just described. But I mean, I, as I said, I'm

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not a pessimist here. I do believe things can come

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out with left field and where there's a will as

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a way for and now finally at least we have

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a will.

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Speaker 4: I'd like I was sitting ahead of State to just say,

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flat up, you are real. We've been visited. That hasn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we found one. We've had one say that the

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not real. That is well, we found one say he

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doesn't know. We just Bill Clinton. We he talked about

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Ryan from Belfast to me and he asked me, is

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there in ninety seven did the Aliens crash? It was well,

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Speaker 5: Well, although there was that Canadian Air Force guy who

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basically said that they are real, I forgot the support.

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Speaker 4: Now this she was tired. At that time, I thought

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that a great guy up too, very passed on. I

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have to give kudos to him. That took a lot

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of courage to put your reputation on the line and

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wants to fire.

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Speaker 3: He was like ninety seven or something. Yeah, what was

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done by him was really a man of the huge

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energy because at the age of ninety five he started

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doing tours and he was writing. He was writing a book.

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I don't know if he managed to finish it, but

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you know what, Oh good, hopefully we met you, Hopefully

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we see it published. But what's really weird, Preston, is

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that when he died, there were obituaries that written about him,

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including one which I wrote, but the Canadian media, that

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the mainstream media in Canada was completely silent, which is

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weird considering this guy is he's one of the most

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senior statesmen in the entire country. He was the longest

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served members of the of the King's Council, which is

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the most which is the senior house of the of

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the Canadian Parliament. He was actually the longest sitting member

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of the King's Council, yet there was no obituary to

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him in the mainstream Canadian media at all. How weird

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it was that he died silently and forgotten by everyone.

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Speaker 4: Silence speak Yeah, since the thing said sometimes speaks louder

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than words. And I asked you very suspicious about how

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Congress has yet to interview a contact ee or talk

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about humanoids really at all, that people are having direct contact.

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And we called extra traatrial intelligence, no non human intelligence.

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All these eupimisms driving me absolutely crazy. UAP is a

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new one. Why you know, how has that changed the

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game at all?

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Speaker 3: It Well, the reason that the term UAP is actually

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dates back to the Condine Report, which was a British

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investigation in the nineteen eighties. But the reason it's been

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adopted and ironically is but for the very same reason

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that Robertson Panel in nineteen fifty two adopted the term

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UFO because they didn't want it they didn't want to

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sound crazy by saying flying saucer unfot shely we crazy

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culturally appropriated UFO. So now they have to come up

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with something new, and they chose UAP that there. Should

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we go through, they'll eventually have to come up with

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: I think we come to a cultural appropriate point to

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take a break in the Paranormal Peep Show, So I

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think what we do here, we'll take a break. We

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won't be back in a few minutes. We'll be back

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interview with Michael Horn, who kindly spared some time with

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us last week to talk about the Billy Meyer case

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and his experiences of prophecies and.

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Speaker 3: Things like that.

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Speaker 6: So take a look at that, and then we'll be

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in the Paranormal Peep Show where we're joined by Andy

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and Ben and myself, but we also have a special

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guest hailing in from the United States, and that is

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Michael Horn. Welcome Michael, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Neil, Andy, Ben, glad to be here.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you for joining us. Now we've been looking

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at some of the material you've been putting out of

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the last few years, and we know that you were

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associated with the very controversial he has got a bit

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of a controversial history, and that's Billy Meyer. And I

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remember Billy Meyer as a kid seeing his pictures in

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paperback books and thinking, Wow, these pictures look really impressive.

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weekend magazine once and thought this was intriguing. And then

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I lost contact with the whole thing. But you've plowed

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on and carried on, becoming more interested and kind of

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worked with him. So how did you become involved in

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the Billy Myer contact case.

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Speaker 8: I walked into a bookstore in Los Angeles forty six

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years ago, saw the first photo book with these astounding

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UFO photos, knew I had to have it, bought the book,

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and everything unfooned from there. The next main event was

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that I got, through a circumstance of coincidence, the eighteen

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hundred pages of the first translation of what are now

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forty five thousand pages of information from Meyer's conversations with

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these people dating back to the nineteen forties. In the

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year two thousand, I went to Switzerland to meet Meyer

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for the first time. I made my first video documentary

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on it in two thousand and four. I have four

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documentaries out. I've interviewed Meyer. Oh, I've been to Switzerland

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twenty two times. I've gotten this chance to speak to them.

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All these times. I've tried to trick them on questions.

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an eyewitnessed three times to the craft, from the people

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that he meets with four or five other sightings, and

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the UFO in this case, it's singularly authentic.

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Speaker 4: Through my forty six years of research.

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Speaker 8: And the UFO part is probably the least important part.

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The extraterrestrials in this case are fully human. They are

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meeting with him since he's a five year old boy,

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and right now just throw it in the evolution of it.

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we see in the fantastic photos and films that nobody

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else has of that quality. But they began warning him

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as early as nineteen forty six about things that would

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happen in our world, pertaining just about every country of Earth.

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thirty years before NASA. I'm kind of shotguning it out

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because this is not quote unquote a UFO case. I'm

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not a apologist, and we're not conspiratorial. This is simply something

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of such earth shaking importance that most people have not

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ever heard about it. And those are reasons pretending to

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the US government and various secret services that do their

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best to try to discredit the case at all. Every

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skeptical challenge that I've been able to find I've had.

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I was interrogated by a top level American intelligence former

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Speaker 7: Was a skeptic.

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Speaker 8: After eight months of three months with me, five months

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his own research, came back and said, this is authentic.

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I'll take on any skeptics in your behalf.

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Speaker 5: He did.

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Speaker 8: US astronauts have also authenticated it.

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Speaker 3: So this is.

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Speaker 8: Above the line in terms of, if you will, paranormal, conspiratory.

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Speaker 7: Or anything like that.

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Speaker 8: So I hope that that's a kind of crunched version

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of what got me going.

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Speaker 5: I understand that Trump has an interest in Area fifty

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one and might have been briefed on a few things.

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Do you think he's ever gonna open the little in

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it or do you think he's been, or do you

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think he wants to but has being told we can't

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Speaker 7: You would want to know that.

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Speaker 8: Basically, our country, going back to the First World War

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nineteen fifteen, has known about craft from other worlds, the

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area fifty one development. They'll tell him what they want

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him to know. He'll reveal what he feels. It will

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be nothing of great importance. Even now there are these

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hearings and people are revealing things. It's all a dog

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and pony show. It never goes anywhere. I know because

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I discovered photos related to this Myer case that had

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never been seen before. A government committee here said hey,

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send us those photos. Were really interested. I send them

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to the government committee and they censored them. Our government

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is concealing there is no threat right now. There's no

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United States of America's military, Israel's military, and the machinations

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of various governmental and secret military powers around the world.

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of grief, and it would have been avoidable if people

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had not tried to kill this man Myer twenty five

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times and instead published the findings that were there. So

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there's nothing of significance well ever from government committees which.

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Speaker 5: I've been as fredictions are coming true hit now as

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Speaker 8: Right now, the harassment of various countries, including Iran by Trump.

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This material is in prophecies and predictions from nineteen forty

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six and forty seven. Nineteen forty six and seven, Trump

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doing these things very clearly outlined, crazy megal and maniacal

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president who will come to power after the new Milan

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I mean spelled out. There are eruptions of volcanoes that

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are going to be taking place within a short window,

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also foretold nineteen forties of the I mean, there is

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NASA discoveries about other things in the Solar System and

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in the greater universe published before NASA. Verifiably we have

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legal and scientific standard of proof not only a space

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travel but of time travel. Anybody can take this material

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in fifteen minutes defeat any legal or scientific challenge. This

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is all coming in US. We will have two civil

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wars in this country foretold in nineteen eighty one the

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fall of the US dollar foretold in two thousand and six. Personally,

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I put up a video back then from a meeting

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I had with Meyer where you describe what's coming, the

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cashless society, all this stuff that's unfolding, and the flood

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of illegal migrants in Europe for the forties and unrepeatedly

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saying a crazy woman in Germany would open the floodgates.

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Speaker 5: We're definitely saying that within the negative effects of that.

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What do you think the big plan is for that?

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Why are they doing that? And I'm assuming this is

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Speaker 8: Well, there are forces. There are a number of different

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of these things, and some of them overlap, some of

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them don't. It's for domination and control, and we will.

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the worldwide use of computers interconnected through an Internet, that

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the people will be bioshipped and it's coming started, and

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they will be controlled to the inch everywhere by these

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powerful forces. And going back to the fifty eight. Also

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he foretold the flood of throughout Europe of radical Islam,

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which is going to wreck Europe. And when the floodgates

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were open there, they were opened here by the treasonous

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last US administration. At the ten years ago we already

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had seventeen hundred sleepers in this country. Can you imagine

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with the millions of people that have been let in.

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these powerful entities, political, financial, military, for control, because people

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think there's something you can really control about life other

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than learning how to live it and abide by the

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real universal principles that guide everything that and that's the

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core purpose of the mare case. It's known you.

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Speaker 3: Ask a question to Michaels. Yes, Michael has so much

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I could ask, and I do hope you'll come back

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for a longer this discussion at some point, because there's

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so much I could ask. But well, where to begin.

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You mentioned you were on the SETI team, that is

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the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Now, based on what you've

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currently told us, there's a contradiction there because SETI, well,

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I've know about it. They look at the Libelians and

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lines as away, but they're right here on the Earth

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with us, so they're looking they should look a bit

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closer to home, don't I listen.

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Speaker 8: I got to the first part of that that's a joke,

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and I put it in my bio because I really

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want people like you're the first people to do it

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to mention it. I engaged with SETI, and I started

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actually engaging with them about a dozen years ago. It's

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a It's a tremendous hoax. They have been just funded

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for two hundred million dollars to continue their futile, dead end,

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never to be fulfilled search for extraterrestrial life. If extraterrestrials

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want to be found by us, as they've found Billy

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Meyer for eighty three years, don't we think they have

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the kapat city to say here we are. No. This

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is a This is a great money maker. And when

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I started challenging online, Bill Diamond, the president of SEIDI, said, Michael,

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you and I are on the same team. You know,

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at least be fighting. So I said, okay, great, now

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I'm a former member of your team because I'm not

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an official member of SETI. It is such a roaring fraud,

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and they we've sent them. I have a press release

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out years ago. You know, we sent SETI all this information.

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All they've done is try to attack it because they

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would lose their funding. What would they or do you know?

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Speaker 3: You know Carl Sagan when he was like when he

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was very young, he was into UF folks. Then Jerry suddenly,

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I think it was around nineteen sixty five, he suddenly

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changed his mind and that's when he wrote Life and

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I think I was published sixty six. I cannot wonder

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if someone had a word in his ears, stepped him

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some money, or maybe have found something. Either he should

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get some secrets he's keeping from his wife, that kind

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of thing.

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Speaker 8: You know, well Kurras then you know with certainly brooding Man,

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maybe tons of contributions to things. I haven't read that book,

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but this is so easy because they're right now. Even

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though the people that know about the Mayer case are

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relatively very small in numbers, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, whatever,

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I know, apart from myself, I know other people that

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could take on any scientist at SETI and mop the

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floor with them, because it's a fraud, and I guarantee

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you there are no and I've listen. I've taken on

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scientists who won't respond. Now I've done interviews with them,

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showed them. I have one guy coming a part of

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the scenes in a video when suddenly I said, oh,

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that's all very nice, thank you, Robin Hinson. What about

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this evidence that I started showing him the Meyers stuff

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and the guy starts literally twitching. These people, the scientists

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have fallen into the same profiteering role. Now we have

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a guy named Avi Low the Harbardy's writes books about extraterrestrials.

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I just contacted another guy. They won't respond because they can't.

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They don't have they have theories, and their theories are nonsensical,

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they're anti scientific. But they get to write books about

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them and make some money.

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Speaker 7: Great.

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Speaker 8: I do my word voluntarily. I'm glad if somebody wants

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to buy some of Meyer's books or anything like that.

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But I go here, I am what can I do

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for you? Well, they don't want the help because they

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do not want this information. They don't want the scientific information.

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We have sixty examples Meyer published before NASA. I've got

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forty four examples online and a test of information about

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COVID and the vaccine. Meyer verifiably published before the CDC

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and the WHO because he was warned about this disease

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in the forties and where it really came it would

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come from ven Dettle. This will come out of the

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association of two powerful men. The ruler of China who

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will emerge in his name will be Moutsee Dong and

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a million American who had been powerful in office, and

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his name was you were, guys, may or may not

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know it, Richard Nixon public you know, a president kicked

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out as well. They started with bio engineering of this disease.

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It wasn't Bill Gates whatever. Bill Gates and the crazy

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people are doing those vaccines and all separate thing. And

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there'll be more of that. Because Meyer was already in

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the fort they were describing the effects to women with

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stillborns and all in the.

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Speaker 7: Of what will be coming with this disease.

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Speaker 5: They're already pushing for new viruses in the news today,

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even today, I've seen it, this brand new virus out

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of nowhere. Oh what a coincidence. You know, immediately after COVID.

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Speaker 3: You'd see the National Cancer Institute is Nixon when he

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set out the four Definct in nineteen seventy one, he

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doubled the budget of the Bier Warfare subject it was,

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it was under the guise of the National Cancer Institute.

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Speaker 8: You have so many people in powerful positions. You know,

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we are just the people of the world. But if

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we learn how to live in harmony with the way

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life is really set up, and there's no gods floating

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around up there, it's a much bigger picture. And when

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we start to under we have to It's not a

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belief system, it's here's a study, figure it out. This

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is how the mind works, This is how consciousness works,

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this is how thinking works. This is how you can

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test everything in your own life. It's a challenge because

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everything we've been taught all along by the powers that be.

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There's a lot of very suspect information and there are

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there is bioengineering of very harmful things. Coming may have

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spoke about it in twenty seventeen. There will be attempts

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at exterminations of all groups. So it isn't all that

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it's you know, like a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 7: There is that that exists.

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Speaker 6: There was a mention of something called the red meteor

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that I was reading about that. I think scheduled scheduled

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specsly coming between twenty twenty nine to twenty thirty six.

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And literally today on sky News I saw a report

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about this meteor or an asteroid I think it is.

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That they said that a one in sixty four chants

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of it hitting us, and they said that is kind

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of an extinction level kind of well pretty much close

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to it, I'll imagine, but they said that they I

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think it's going to come in twenty twenty eight again

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twenty thirty two, twenty.

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Speaker 7: Or twenty twenty nine for a partise, was this about

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a parth list that you saw?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think it was probably the same

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thing you've spoken about, but they called it something else.

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But it was literally something that came up on sky

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News to asteroid, Yeah, and why is the pop chances

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of it hit in the Earth and there, and this

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guy who was an astronomer was talking about it to

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Sky News about the fact that they they've got to

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really start planning now how they're going to deal with

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this thing where they're going to knock it off course

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or something like that they can't find nukes at it

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or something, you know, I've said, I've got.

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Speaker 3: The details here twenty twenty four white R four. Yeah,

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it has a one in fifty three chance of impacting

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on the twenty second December twenty thirty two. And NASA

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and Elon Musk has said, you know, they've got to

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send her a rocket up there or something to to

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just the dart mission to deflect it. But they won't

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know in twenty twenty eight. They won't know because that's

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when it disappears behind the sun, and they won't to

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see it till until just beforehand.

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Speaker 8: I was just going to take in nineteen eighty one

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is when Billy Mayo fruit probably information on Apophesy had

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a couple of contexts I illustrated and put in a

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comic book online so people could read it. It's coming

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to a location not far from you, between the North

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Sea and the Black Sea. This thing is going to

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hit if it's not. And they told him, they said,

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don't try and blow it up with nukes.

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Speaker 7: You deflect it.

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Speaker 8: By detonating a nuclear charge at an appropriate proximity that

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sends a shock wave and nudges it. And so NASA said,

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when we started publishing this stuff, my gosh, I mean,

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as soon as we found NASA was now that NASA

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discovered it in twenty you no, twenty and four, twenty

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three years after Meyer started publishing it. This is about

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our future survival. That's why this may be the first

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time you guys ever heard about it and your audience,

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and you know, if you want to do a real

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presentation some point, help people out let him dec for themselves.

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And I've got a blog, well probably twenty five hundred

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articles by now about all this stuff, just endless free information.

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Speaker 6: How can that come to your blog?

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Speaker 7: Michael?

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Speaker 3: What's the website? Dress?

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Speaker 8: It's they fly blog dot com. They've blow dot com

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and we answer questions. There's you know, if possible, it's

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just it's a field day. You go and you start

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to find out what this man has already foretold. It's

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occurred in what's coming. There were friends that you're going to.

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There's five earthquake volcanos rather in Italy they're gonna blow completely.

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predicted this, and I started to research to find out

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if it could be so, because they said in forty eight,

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preceding these major eruptions Central Italy twenty sixteen, there will

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be earthquakes in Central.

477
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Speaker 7: Italy would be very powerful.

478
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,039
Speaker 8: This will be the signal set this stuff will start

479
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,640
to I looked it up. It said you can find

480
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,960
online twenty sixteenth Central Italy the strongest earthquakes on record

481
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:09,160
in Italy. How did they know that in nineteen forty eight?

482
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:13,279
How did they know that the WTC in America would

483
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,440
be destroyed when they published it in nineteen eighty seven?

484
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 5: Do you think Verna von Brown had access to this information?

485
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,440
Because he on his deathbed he basically talked about first

486
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:29,720
there'll be states are there to be afraid of, and

487
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:32,880
then they'll push kind of like terrorists, and then they'll

488
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359
push an asteroid, and then after that the final car

489
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,880
would be the alien invasion or the fake alien invasion.

490
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,519
Do you think there's any correlation with this?

491
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 7: Well?

492
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,599
Speaker 8: Vernervon Brown, by the way, was involved in the fake

493
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:49,400
Apollo moon landing. Yeah, and Meyer foretold that in nineteen

494
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,640
fifty eight, along with the actual one that would be

495
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,920
legit that would follow them. So Erna von Brown there

496
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,519
was a woman named Carol Rozen in America RS and

497
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,720
she was worked with him, and he told her about

498
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,759
that stuff. Billy Meyer, we put up a blog about

499
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:09,000
the fake alien. I mean, we've got all this information

500
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:16,519
that's preceded anybody's information. But because it's real, so twenty

501
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:17,759
five attempts.

502
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,599
Speaker 9: Of Meyer's life in forty fifty years, nobody should get

503
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,799
these other whistleblowers because it served the agenda to get

504
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:27,319
people chasing their tails.

505
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 8: Who uh, aliens non humans. Meanwhile, he meets with human

506
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,960
beings like us since he's a five year old boy,

507
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,359
and they basically scratched their heads to see human beings

508
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,160
are earth hopelessly stupid.

509
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 5: I met any of the grays or the reptilians or

510
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,079
anything like that, or just the human.

511
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,079
Speaker 8: The grays are actually the androids, androids such as the

512
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:59,200
ones that were found during the actual Roswell crash that

513
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,720
actually happened, or about seven or eight other crashes. They

514
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,599
were androids. They're not humans. And so the evil alien

515
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,400
agenda was started really by our government in the forties,

516
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,400
by President Roosevelt here because when they started to find

517
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,079
out that there were other beings in the universe, they

518
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,200
did not want the people of Earth to find out

519
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,960
that a other beings existed. B they're not off to

520
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,519
get us. See that if they were our governments could

521
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,640
do nothing about it. That's why all the funy hearings

522
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,480
that continue to this date, the evil alien threat seventy years.

523
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,839
What are these people incompetent? They can get to us

524
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,559
from other space, but in seventy years they're just threatening us.

525
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:46,480
They don't take over, they don't kill.

526
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:48,119
Speaker 5: Us, don't you think do you think it's a lot

527
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,519
more I mean, this is my personal view. Do you

528
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,599
think it's a lot more insiduous with that? So we

529
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,079
talk about Illuminati, secret society, is behavior growth, satanic cults.

530
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:03,000
Even if we take the position, okay, these beings might

531
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,000
not be here to overtly take over if we've got

532
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,160
people at higher levels calling in like dark entities, wouldn't

533
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,440
it be fair to say that maybe dark entities do

534
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,559
actually turn up and start causing struggle.

535
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 8: Here's the way it's kind of looked at in this material.

536
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:21,640
Throughout the universe there's light, and directly it's good and

537
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,079
dead on planets in space. This is a vast universe

538
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,400
teeming not in our region, but teeming with life of

539
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,599
all sorts of different forms, and powerful beings in the

540
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,519
past have taken over here have set up things. As

541
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,680
a matter of fact, the last ones to do that

542
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,960
were sent off planet in about nineteen seventy eight. There

543
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,319
were humans. They were based under the Great pyramidd Giser,

544
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,680
which actually seventy two thousand plus years of a beach.

545
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,079
Speaker 7: But we mystify things.

546
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,319
Speaker 8: I understand it because we don't want to just go

547
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400
wait a minute, there's good and bad people. There are

548
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,960
groups who have these agendas, but they're not immune from

549
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,599
the laws of cause and the fact they don't have

550
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,920
everything going smoothly. The Illuminat per Se is now a

551
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,200
very impotent bunch of people. There are more powerful people

552
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,039
Black Rock in America or they of.

553
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: These client lists.

554
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 7: You got it. These are the people.

555
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 8: They're not flawless, they make mistakes, and they're smaller in number,

556
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,279
of course than the rest of the population. But because

557
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,359
we give them all this mystical magical press, people then

558
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,400
retract and feel they're powerless. And if people, as Meyers

559
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,359
said on this material, as play are and people extra trisicus,

560
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,839
if the people with Earth would learn how to think

561
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,880
and would study.

562
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,039
Speaker 3: The continued this is it.

563
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 5: We can defeat this. It's not it's not indefeatable. It's

564
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,759
just people need to wake up.

565
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,559
Speaker 8: You've just go too far and now there's a lot

566
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,240
of chaos coming. The k is going to have a

567
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,039
lot of trouble. The House of Windsor will be no

568
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:02,359
more at a certain point. This was published by Meyer

569
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:07,200
long ago. They described problems within the relationships and marriages,

570
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,960
so things that have happened since then. They can see

571
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,359
the stuff because they're time travelers, and they don't. They

572
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,920
never say we think this or we theorize. There's no theories.

573
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,000
They do say we don't know. When they don't know,

574
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,599
they said we don't know about it, that we will,

575
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:26,559
we won't look into it. There are things we know

576
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,759
we can't speak about yet. There are things we could do,

577
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,200
but we can't because the information would lead to technologies

578
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,759
that you're insane, governments and secret services would use to

579
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:43,920
create death bringing weapons and wouldn't help your humankind. They

580
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,240
have looked in, you know, through all these wars that

581
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,200
we have some of the people that Billy, because Billy

582
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,400
will meet with them, they will go. They've they looked

583
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,240
into the Ukraine's things starting long ago. These readings think

584
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,400
some of the extraterrestrials have to go back to their

585
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,279
world for their version of therapy. Everything you see the

586
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,599
way people on this world brutalized.

587
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: Which is nuts. It's mental, right.

588
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 6: I think we better wrap this up now, everybody. But

589
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,599
it's been I mean, we've taken more of your time

590
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,720
than you promise, but we were grateful for it. But

591
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,160
thank you so much, Michael joined my pleasure.

592
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,559
Speaker 8: Anytime sit it up in advance, we can do a

593
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,759
multimedia thing and you can start to see the whole

594
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:25,440
of your He's like god, gun, Thanks guys.

595
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: All right, thanks very much.

596
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 6: Good day to you, Bye bye, bye bye. Well, welcome

597
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,480
back to part two of the Paranormal Peep Show. So

598
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,880
there we were taking a chat with Michael Horn, who

599
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:46,400
is the UFO writer, author, filmmaker, and I suppose you

600
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,200
could say representative of Billy Myers, the contact tea for

601
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,599
the nineteen seventies. I think he's now in his eighties

602
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,240
actually this chap and he's from the Swiss Mountains and

603
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,519
he was having all these contacts from the age of five,

604
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:03,000
as Michael said. And so Preston, you've come across Michael

605
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Holmes's work before and that also of the contact to

606
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:07,240
Billy Myers.

607
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,599
Speaker 3: What's your opinion of all that kind of thing.

608
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,519
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've been following the Billy Meyer case since

609
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:17,000
it first started, giving a lot of media attention. Arry

610
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,519
Kinder wrote a book about his case, which is really

611
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,760
what popularized it here in the United States. Of course,

612
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,960
Wendell Stevens, Brittan Lee Elders, Randolph Winters. There's quite a

613
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,920
few people like Michael Horne who have taken a very

614
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,039
very close look at this case. And I've got his books,

615
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:39,400
his contact notes. Billy Meyer. It is an interesting case.

616
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,320
There's an enormous amount of evidence to support it, So

617
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,079
I have to think that this he's a genuine contact

618
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,440
d just given on the fact that there are so

619
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:55,239
many outside witnesses to what he's seen. Not just one

620
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,960
or two or ten or twenty, there's fifty or one

621
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,760
hundred who've been in his presence when you post have

622
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,800
shown up. And he's got some really outstanding landing trace evidence.

623
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,559
He did apparently get a piece of metal which he

624
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:15,559
obtained from the ETS and tent to Marcel Vogel, a

625
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,800
scientist who studied it, found all kinds of unusual properties

626
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,119
to it, got sound recording evidence, excellent photographs, of course,

627
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,760
including moving films. You which are really quite impressive. But yeah,

628
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,360
I do think he's a genuine contactee to say that

629
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,239
there aren't problems with the case. Yeah, well, no, you

630
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,440
see with the case, Yeah, I mean, initially it's very

631
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:50,199
very impressive, but some of the photographs are clearly not legitimate.

632
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:56,800
They absolutely look like fates, which is unfortunate because there's

633
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,719
so many really good photographs that are very hard to

634
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:03,440
BoNT And I don't think I've ever been at Dubut,

635
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,199
but there's some where he claimed he actually got a

636
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:16,280
photograph of Semyazi turned out a game show host. That's so.

637
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,239
These are just a few of the a number of

638
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:25,039
problems rounding this case. And his photographs of from out

639
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,519
taken from outer space apparently, I'm not sure they add

640
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,480
up either. Some of the claims made by the ETS

641
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,840
are a little bit hard to believe as well. H

642
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,679
As far as Michael Horne, I have to give credit

643
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,239
to anyone who enters this field and agrees to study

644
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,079
it and put their own reputation on the line and

645
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:47,119
stand behind.

646
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: When this.

647
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 6: Yes so so, I mean that Ben we we talked about.

648
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,760
Wendell Stevens was one of the people that first went

649
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:02,119
into the case. Of the Meyer and he sort of

650
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,119
gave it the thumbs up back in the seventies, didn't

651
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:06,920
here he went in with the team and an issue

652
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,199
to it.

653
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a tricky situation because I've looked into

654
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,280
this briefly. I'm I'm not a major expert on it,

655
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,199
but it's pretty clear there is something to it. But

656
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,480
as President said, there's so much that it's fabricated. And

657
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:24,360
this is, of course, this is kind of the devil's

658
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,400
bargain because this happens all over the world in research

659
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,480
and to esoteric paranormal issues, is that something real will happen,

660
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,400
but it'll be sexed up with extra evidence. And indeed

661
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,480
a friend of mine, actually, Ross Hensworth, actually was in

662
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,199
this situation himself because he used to do something called

663
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,599
Ghost Detectives, which was a program he presented a program

664
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,000
on Channel four which is quite a big mainstream program actually,

665
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:53,840
and it had Chris French on it as the skeptic

666
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,679
and this lady called Mia who's the medium, and they

667
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,000
sort of investigated holding houses.

668
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 5: He also good he.

669
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: Did he was did something on BBC two called it

670
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,760
was it was it was called a Halloween Halloween at

671
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,320
the Tower I think it was called It's kind of

672
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,639
a real life ghost Watch at the Tower of London

673
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:12,360
on Halloween night.

674
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:14,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, was that was that with the guy from the

675
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:15,840
Avengers who hosted it.

676
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: Ross hosted it, but there was other people involved. It

677
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:20,840
was like quite long, it's over three hours. It's like

678
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,079
a vigil a life like broadcast. But I mean he

679
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:27,320
was he was actually offered a new show on Chan five,

680
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,599
I believe, and when he was at the program meeting

681
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:32,880
presenting his plan, they were very positive. They were going

682
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,519
to waffer in our budget and a big team. It

683
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,000
was going to be quite a good show. But then

684
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,960
they said, Ross, we are going to have to deliver,

685
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,000
and he said, what do you mean. He said, you

686
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,320
have to find phenomena and if you don't, if you

687
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,199
can't find real for not we basically, if if you

688
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:50,480
can't find any real phenomena, we're going to have to

689
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:54,000
fake some stuff, which is long suspected to be a

690
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,960
problem with most haunted although I know Ivetfielding denies this,

691
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,840
but now this of course have in real life, and

692
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,960
I mean people put under pressure to create a phenomenon,

693
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,079
but when they've encounter phenomen they put under pressure to

694
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:11,880
make it believable, and they may be tempted into adding

695
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,639
a few fabricated, contrived pieces of evidence to back it up.

696
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,639
Of course it doesn't back it up, because all that

697
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,679
happens is that this then is be picked up by

698
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,480
the skeptics and used to discredit the entire case. And

699
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:28,440
I think this is maybe where depressed And I don't

700
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,719
know if you agree, but this is I think where

701
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,760
Billy Meyer has fallen a foul and many other people

702
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,719
have shared his fate.

703
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 4: I certainly wonder about it, and I would always advise

704
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,159
you're having experiences, don't take evidence, dunt. Why would you

705
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,760
absolutely destroy your whole case? But it's really unfortunate. Yeah,

706
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:58,360
I mean, there are absolutely problems with that case. He's

707
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,800
got quite a few detract I know. One of the

708
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,480
things that really puzzles me about the cases that he

709
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,079
claims or the ETS basically told him that he's the

710
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,920
only one who's having contact, and we know that that's

711
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,639
not bare. I mean, you know, people all over the

712
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,440
world are having contact, and that's the idea that I

713
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:24,880
just don't holds water. But I absolutely do think he's

714
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,679
a genuine contact ee. It's really hard to ignore huge

715
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,159
volumes of evidence that he has. But so it's it's

716
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:38,199
one of the really more difficult cases to investigate, I

717
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:44,119
think because of this problem with it. There's here's an

718
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:48,480
example kind of a tangent or gentlemen Belgium, because you

719
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,679
have both photographs and it got a lot of attentions

720
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:56,159
to try and do a photograph with right lights, and

721
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:59,199
he said, no, that's actually faked. Well he recently came

722
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,199
out and said no, it's actually real. But I was

723
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,800
paid to say it was faked. Oh what are we

724
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,559
just supposed to do with that? Sure, I mean it's

725
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:13,760
become but useful evidence, but it's kind of where the

726
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,719
bully mark cases out because oh, nay, be perfectly legit,

727
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,719
and I think probably is the fact that it's been

728
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,599
polluted to a degree makes it very difficult to put

729
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:25,880
forth as a serious case.

730
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 10: Even atually underminds here, doesn't he I've dropped in a

731
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,920
photo in chat I found an alleged billy by a

732
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,719
time travel photo a pterodactyl dropping a fish, and then

733
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,840
next to it there's something from nineteen sixty by a

734
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,159
check artist that's basically the same thing.

735
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:43,679
Speaker 5: So make your own minds up on that face.

736
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: This is Unfortunately, Yeah, this is a good example. And unfortunately,

737
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,840
I mean whenever people bring time travel into the situation,

738
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,679
I always get suspicious because time travel is actually not

739
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,199
what it really appears to be in science fiction. Example there,

740
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,800
I mean some science fiction actually deals with like causality, paradoxes,

741
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,320
and parallel universes, such as the It's a good film

742
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,559
actually Back to the Future Robertson Mechi's film from the eighties,

743
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,840
where a young man goes back into the He goes

744
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,119
back to where his parents were children, and he almost

745
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,400
disappears because his parents can't get back together. But when

746
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,519
he goes back to the future, hence the title, he

747
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,079
doesn't go back to his to the world he left.

748
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:28,360
He goes back to a completely different world, one in

749
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,880
which his father is now a successful author, when previously

750
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,159
he was failed because he was a more confident man.

751
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:39,840
Because Marty, the character of the main characters, he encourages

752
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,239
his father to take on the school bully, which makes

753
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,679
him a strong and more confident man, so he becomes

754
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,840
more successful. And this is the problem with time travel.

755
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,000
You can't actually go back in time literally because you're

756
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,119
going to something that doesn't exist. And if you could

757
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,320
get hypothetic. If you could go there, you would change

758
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,840
everything else that comes after it, so you therefore would

759
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:06,360
not really exist yourself. That's the that's the paradox butterfly effect. Yeah,

760
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:11,280
it's it's wouldn't actually it wouldn't actually work. So when

761
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,559
people said people, I think they maybe people confuse certain

762
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,639
aspects of the UFO and contact phenomenon with with time travel, because.

763
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 6: Aliens do things with time though, don't they They kind

764
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,280
of Yeah, they also lie.

765
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: I mean, they are capable of doing things like weird

766
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,400
things with like you know, missing time and things like that.

767
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:30,880
They take you and they bring you back and it's

768
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,199
like you you think, like blind me, where did the

769
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,559
last four hours go? Things like that. But they also lie,

770
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,000
I mean aliens as Carla Turner and actually found not

771
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,679
and what's her name? God to Karla she she found

772
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:49,719
out that she how they are kind of tricksters. They

773
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,480
make things up and they I.

774
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: Mean an example of that, ben is is before kind

775
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,320
of space technology and probes and things, the Aliens used

776
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,199
to start away from Mars and we from the you know,

777
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,679
so then we said probes there and then suddenly, oh no,

778
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,159
we're not from Mars. For this way from out out

779
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:08,199
for a century and Ulion Belt, and if we managed

780
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,239
to get probes out there, they'll say, oh, we're not

781
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,000
from there, We're from some other character. So you're right,

782
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:14,400
why do you think they do that.

783
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: Sexually messing with our heads in some way? At least

784
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,800
some of them are for some reason, and I'm not

785
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,559
just didn't count all.

786
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: So I think there's also the problem that there's a

787
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,960
lot of disinformation in this field, and that a number

788
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,440
of these cases aren't true. People are so called experiencers,

789
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:33,559
aren't experiences. Some researchers aren't actual researchers. They're inserting completely

790
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:39,559
false information, pinting a narrative about etis but simply not true.

791
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:42,519
I had to really step back and rely on my

792
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,800
cases that I personally investigated to get an accurate view,

793
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:49,360
because the media was not portraying this at all correctly.

794
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,519
I do think ets can do things with time. They

795
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,480
pull people out of the time stream. They might have

796
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:59,039
an experience that's two three hours long, even a couple

797
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,719
of days or longer, come back only minutes have passed.

798
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,320
There's something going on there that they can do with

799
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,480
time that we don't fully understand, and don't think that

800
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,119
there's any good evidence that they're us from the future,

801
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:17,039
which has been asserted by a number of contact ees.

802
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,960
I'll put that in quotes again, I think we really

803
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,679
do have to take a good hard look at the

804
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:26,039
fact that this is a subject that is being covered

805
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,840
up brutally, viciously with an enormous amount of time, money,

806
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,559
and effort the parts of people who don't want us

807
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,320
to know the truth and are steering a fear and

808
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,840
narrative on this subject. So I think humans are the

809
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,039
ones who are much more guilty of lying, deception, and

810
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,280
mass murderer and all the horrible things that we sort

811
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,559
of place onto the ets, which I think is more

812
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,880
us placing our own cultural values and something we don't

813
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,519
understand or fear, rather than what's actually happening here.

814
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,079
Speaker 3: What do you what do you say that some some

815
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,599
contentings for disinformation? Is so they are putting out false

816
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,679
information about the UFO or eighty phenomenon into the into

817
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,239
the public arena for for a purpose. Is that what

818
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,079
you're saying.

819
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: One hundred percent It might be unintentional, It might be

820
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,199
just the fact that they're I'm sort of viewing through

821
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:28,840
the lens of their own belief system or pushing an agenda.

822
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,199
Now will name you know David Jacobs as because he

823
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,719
says flat out he does not think contact is good

824
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,199
for people. I've talked to people who were in his book.

825
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:44,519
He said, my story was not accurately portrayed. I did

826
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,679
not fear it. It was actually a benevolent experience for me.

827
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,639
I'm not happy how he wrote about it. Well, this

828
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,400
is not something I don't think he's doing intentionally, but

829
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,800
it's just the way. You know, it's right.

830
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: It's not the same with the Travis Wohton case, when

831
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,559
you know it was portrayed as these evil, demonic aliens

832
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,039
but actually wasn't quite.

833
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: A fast film farm in the scar. Yeah, if you

834
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,639
read the book, Yeah.

835
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 4: He initially was quite frightened and interpreted as a negative experience,

836
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,639
but decided no, he thinks they probably saved his life.

837
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it's interesting.

838
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,679
Speaker 4: That is a pattern I see with many contact these

839
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,639
Initially we'll interpret their experiences quite negatively, with a lot

840
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,360
of fear, dealing with a lot of trauma, and then

841
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:34,000
keep having your cars and realize, okay, they're not here

842
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:36,360
to hurt me. They have healed me. I've had a

843
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,159
spiritual awakening as a result of this, learned a lot

844
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:43,920
of things. Most people, I'm gonna say eighty five of

845
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,039
the people I've interviewed fit that pattern. It's initially scary,

846
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:52,000
but ultimately they wouldn't trade it for anything. We're very

847
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,800
glad to have had his experiences interesting.

848
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,199
Speaker 5: So I first would what would you say the percentages

849
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,000
of positive experiences, negative that turned into positive or just negative?

850
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:04,920
How would you spec that down enough?

851
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 4: I would say there's maybe one in twenty people I've

852
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,639
interviewed be like when they wish this never happened to them,

853
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,679
and asked them, well, why do you think you know? Why?

854
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,960
What is this negative for you? And almost always it's

855
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,159
because of the fear surrounding their encounters and the feeling

856
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,000
of lack of control. It's a guy from England called Darry,

857
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,960
that's not his real name. Does he really wished it

858
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,679
never happened to him? But he does admit he's gotten

859
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,440
wonderful things out of it. He's a very proficient ast

860
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:44,320
all Traveler's an enormous amount of obease out of Boud.

861
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,559
The experiences a lot of psychic experiences, But just as

862
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,639
it scares the daylight thought of him each time these

863
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:54,119
guys show up. This is usually what causes people to

864
00:48:54,199 --> 00:49:00,039
interpret it as a negative experience. I've only remember the

865
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,679
parts they have missing time. The only thing they remember

866
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,760
is being on that table and fighting for their lives.

867
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,400
Unlikely they've had much more extensive experience that they're not

868
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:15,079
fully recalling. They don't want to afraid. That's people who

869
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,320
I never hear people describing what are called outright torture

870
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:22,199
or sadistic behavior. I just don't get these kinds of cases,

871
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,320
and I really question them that are out there because

872
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,280
I think a good number of them are what we

873
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:33,480
would call my lads military abductions, not eches baked obductions.

874
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: On the subject of the Fire in the Skying movie,

875
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,440
and if you read the book or you watch the

876
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,840
more recent documentary called Travis, you get the real story

877
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,800
based on Travis's own testimony. The Fire and the Sky

878
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,639
movies is accurate apart from the actual contacts experience, because

879
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,960
if you the contentt I mean, this was totally against

880
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,320
what Travis said. But I don't think there's anything necessarily

881
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,360
inferias in terms of this film. But they needed to

882
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,039
turn into a kind of a horror movie and if

883
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,920
you see the abduction sequence of that film, it is

884
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,840
indeed a horror movie. It's terrifying, which, of course, yeah,

885
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,880
which is not what actually happened the Travis and indeed

886
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,559
the documentary said so. And in this in that situation,

887
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,800
I think it was more to do with the producers,

888
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,039
the studio's desire to produce a movie with a certain

889
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,880
atmosphere for the for the audience. But I mean in

890
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,599
terms of the film that Independence Day, which is a

891
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,199
more recent film by Roland Emmerick's it's an appalling movie.

892
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,039
It's really bad, but it's it's worth watching just to

893
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,440
spot the kind of messages that's been given out. And

894
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,480
there's a Count's Randy Quaide's character who very bravely sacrifices

895
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:44,679
himself at the end of this very implausible attack on

896
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:50,559
the alien mothership in his plane. He's a he's a contact,

897
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,800
he has had contact with the aliens, and as a

898
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,039
result of this, it's damaged him so much. He's become

899
00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:57,960
an alcoholic, he's lost his job.

900
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 5: And urn.

901
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:06,519
Speaker 3: He and his friends tease him about it, and of course,

902
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,400
along along with many many other messages in that movie,

903
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,079
I can't I cannot wonder if it is attending. It

904
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,719
is an attempt to just takes back to what we

905
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,280
said before about the possibility that the government might actually

906
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:26,840
use the the threat from extraterrestrials even if it's whether

907
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,880
it's real or not, or they will fabricate evidence that

908
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,079
says they're bad. We we lie to you, but we

909
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,400
wanted to protect you. They're bad alias out there. We

910
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,320
need to come together as a one world government just

911
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,480
for a little while, just so we can solve this problem.

912
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,320
And of course, like the contacts will be a part

913
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,800
of that. Just a flatten the curve.

914
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:53,639
Speaker 4: A flare in the sky was actually a really good movie,

915
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,119
except for that on board segment which set back you

916
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:59,119
up for research decades. Again, tell you how many people

917
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,559
came up to what happens like, No, no, I know,

918
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:07,800
Tracy Tourmae fought hard keep it accurate. As you know,

919
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,719
we're funny in the movie ultimately, but no, now I

920
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,400
from what I understand, they're redoing the Betty and Barney

921
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,400
Hill story. She was also a pretty good movie, very

922
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,119
low budget but but well done.

923
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,199
Speaker 3: Oh that was the the UFO instance that was very

924
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,280
that was good. The one with James Old Jones is Barney.

925
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,039
That was a good one. I don't know. I don't

926
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:29,760
know what the new one's going to be like. I

927
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,639
think it's going to be very very political from what

928
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,039
I from what I gather, and it's going to stress

929
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:35,239
the racism.

930
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 4: With Kathleen Martin, who is really the go to person.

931
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,880
She's the niece of Betty Hill. They have that contacted

932
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,079
her whatsoever. So I'm not hopeful.

933
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she she actually put a statement out saying

934
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,679
she's not she's not happy with the way that this

935
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,400
She's she's been jueious about what's gonna happen with this

936
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,280
new movie. I mean, I'll watch it, but I'm I'm

937
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,440
not hopeful for I think it's gonna be It was.

938
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 4: Really that one movie out there that's portrayed this fully accurately.

939
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,039
The TV minute series based on Bud Hopkins Bok Intruders

940
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:13,079
was fairly well done, a little fear based, but argely accurate.

941
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,880
I liked Wavelength. It's the sleeper of a movie. See

942
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,400
also very hard to find but worth watching.

943
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 3: Have you Shood in the Manhattan Abduction? I know I

944
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,519
know Linda the lady, she's very unhappy with how she

945
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,199
was portrayed and it's a documentary in which she appears.

946
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,880
But now rightly so, there was filmore in a kitchen

947
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,079
in a dressing gown, like like she's some sort of

948
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,840
old She's just this old sort of bity living alone.

949
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:41,159
She actually has a husband and she has a big family.

950
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,639
And but they was indeed they have interviewed in the program,

951
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,119
but they always portray her in a particular They tried

952
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,360
to put Fitture into a stereotype, which is quite insulting,

953
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:56,320
I think, whereas the skeptical ladies always portrayed like you

954
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:58,760
sitting at a desk in an offish, nicely dressed and

955
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,760
things like that. Yeah, I wasn't Debarisarania.

956
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 4: I had a few email interactions with her where she

957
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:11,480
attacked my research baselessly actually because no, I mean, I

958
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:13,519
don't want to get into name calling he or anything.

959
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,760
But no, that was not an accurate portrayal of the man.

960
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,199
Happened production so to speak. On So I don't blame

961
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,679
under Politano one bit, because yeah, this was very biased.

962
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,639
Speaker 3: About Peter Robins is not happy with it because he

963
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,280
was he was interviewed considerably in not but I suspect

964
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,679
he's not going to he's not going to like it.

965
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,599
Speaker 4: Well, here's an opportunity for filmmakers out there. Yeah, it

966
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,079
just doesn't an accurate way.

967
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope. I'm hoping in this new this

968
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,519
new kind of post twenty seventeen, new ufology era, we

969
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:51,400
might actually get accurate fictionalizations which we've never had before.

970
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 6: Getting back to the Michael Horn intew that we were

971
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:01,519
talking about predictions, and one of the things that the

972
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:04,440
aliens said to Billy Meyer was the fact that there's

973
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:09,559
going to be changes on the Earth, a very big

974
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:13,480
meat or something called comet. I can't remember what he

975
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:17,440
said now striking the Earth, and I said, oh, that's

976
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,880
just come up. Actually someone's discovered this meteorite. Then you've

977
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,880
got some information on.

978
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,079
Speaker 3: That, haven't you. Yes, something As you know, I have

979
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,199
my own show similar to the Parallel or Peep show,

980
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,360
is called the Hapanmo Show, and I have a space

981
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,639
weather slot every week where I cover things like this.

982
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,119
And indeed, there's been a huge amount of news about

983
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,679
something called twenty twenty four y R four. Now, this

984
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,280
is an astronaut. This is an asteroid. It's an Apollo

985
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,320
type asteroid, which means it crosses the Earth's orbit quite regularly.

986
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,360
It's in a similar orbit to the Earth, and it

987
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,760
was discovered last year, and there is a small chance

988
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,360
that it will impact the Earth on the twenty second

989
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,559
of December twenty thirty two, which is only eight years away.

990
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:02,400
It's it's quite it's something we need to be concerned

991
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,719
about now. There's been a lot of I think overhyped

992
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,480
and news stories about this, describing it as an end

993
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:14,079
of the world scenario. It's not. This subject is between

994
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,559
one hundred and thirteen and three hundred feet three hundred

995
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,199
and thirty feet in diameter. It's if it impacts, it

996
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,280
will not destroy the world. However, in the in the

997
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,639
local area in which it impacts, it could have a

998
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:27,719
devastating effect because it would explode. If it hits the

999
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,119
it will explode in the upper atmosphere and break apart

1000
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:34,000
with enormous force in the upper atmosphere. If it does impact,

1001
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,119
this will release an explosion roughly eight to twelve megatons,

1002
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:43,239
which is much bigger than most nuclear weapons. And in

1003
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,639
the it's likely they say it's likely to impact. There's

1004
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:49,559
a in somewhere around the equator of the Earth, from

1005
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:54,119
an area from basically the Atlantic Ocean across Asia. Now,

1006
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:57,440
if it's impacts over the Lantic Ocean or say North Africa,

1007
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,760
the Sahara Desert, these are run in habited areas, it

1008
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,039
probably will not do. You probably won't harm anyone. However,

1009
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,880
this also includes the plains of India if it impacts there.

1010
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,760
It's good to impact on one of the most densely

1011
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,000
populated areas of the world. As supposing it explodes above

1012
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:21,599
Delhi or Calcutta or Benaris or someone like that, you

1013
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:27,519
could see a horrific disaster. Now it's gonna what's gonna

1014
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:29,599
happen is it's gonna We won't know for certain until

1015
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,400
twenty twenty eight, because it does when it comes round

1016
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,719
to its next orbit with the next encounter of the Earth.

1017
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,400
Then we'll have a more we'll have a closer idea

1018
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,800
about where it's going to been. What NASA are planning

1019
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,960
to do is they're planning to use what they call

1020
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,719
the Dark Mission. You may have seen it tested a

1021
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,599
couple of years ago. They actually did, and it's a

1022
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,800
way of knocking an asteroids slightly. Of course they don't

1023
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,719
have to do They don't have to knock it up

1024
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,800
by much, just like a fraction of a second, a

1025
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,440
de presecond of the arc, and it will miss the

1026
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,960
Earth if they know, if they know what's going to impact.

1027
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:03,199
So we won't know for a few years whether this

1028
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,400
is going to be an actually impacting asteroid or whether

1029
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,360
it will just pass very close. If it is going

1030
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,079
to be impacting, they're always and knocking, of course, but

1031
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:12,599
at the moment we're not sure. But I mean, this

1032
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,039
is a perennial danger which is part of living in

1033
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:19,960
this solar system. These things do inpact. In fact, small

1034
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,239
asteroids impact all the time.

1035
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,079
Speaker 6: Now it reminds me of the Tunguska event of nineteen

1036
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:29,639
oh eight in central Siberia, where this great big explosion

1037
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,800
ripped through the area, unfortunately possibly only killing about three

1038
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,519
people out the masses it could have killed, and had

1039
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,480
it struck four hours later, it wouldate over Central Europe,

1040
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,599
annihilate in London and Western Europe possibly now Billy Miners

1041
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:50,159
contacts said that rather than it being a meteorite or

1042
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:54,760
an asteroid or a comet, which the general hypothesis that's

1043
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,000
what it was exploding five miles above the surface of

1044
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,920
the Earth. They he says, in that particular instance, it

1045
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,760
was a spaceship launching often the Earth, and it had

1046
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,199
to self detonate because it was in trouble or something,

1047
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,119
and obliterate itself with a nuclear explosion. I'm a bit

1048
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,039
dubious about that explanation given by the Billy Meyer and

1049
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,000
space people.

1050
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,559
Speaker 3: To be honest, have you heard of that one person?

1051
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,079
Speaker 4: And I'm lirtally not an expert in the Takunska incident.

1052
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:29,440
I do find it fascinating, and it's a lot of

1053
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:35,360
contact cases do involve predictions, sure, fascinating. It's my understanding

1054
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,440
that some of Billy Meyer's predictions have come true havn't,

1055
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:42,440
but it's not that unusual. I mean, I interviewed a

1056
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,079
gentleman who is a very good witness, a Navy medic.

1057
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,480
We had an encounter with Prying Maths Tite, who gave

1058
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,199
a long list of predictions, a number of which did

1059
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:56,360
come true, and almost exclusively involved what we would called

1060
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,000
disasters of some kind. They told him that since we

1061
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:02,920
started exploding new clear weapons created what they called a

1062
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,079
countdown clark, all these hurricanes and landslides and earthquakes and

1063
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,960
bad weather phenomena. If you'm a real problem in our future,

1064
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:15,119
which is certainly something we've seen. I've talked to a

1065
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,960
lot of contactors who've gone in this sort of message,

1066
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,920
usually the messages and warnings as opposed to hard predictions,

1067
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:26,880
but it's certainly a theme that's very prominent contact tea cases.

1068
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,199
Speaker 3: Here it all the time, don't we that They said,

1069
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,360
even with the little you've covered the depression. You said,

1070
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,639
you've covered school playground encounters. Uh, the aerial school in

1071
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:38,840
rural the kids said, they said that we've got to

1072
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,400
be good to the environment, otherwise we're going to damage

1073
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,000
the earth. And now it's interesting when it comes to

1074
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:49,400
the Tunguska incident. There's a book actually called The Fire

1075
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,000
Came By and I can't remember the author's name, which

1076
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,800
addresses this and the fact that I mean, I'm not

1077
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,199
like new Neil, I'm not completely sold on this idea.

1078
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,039
But fragments of this has never been discovered. There was

1079
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:04,639
a huge explosion they estimated up to sixteen mega tons

1080
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:08,880
sixteen to thirty mega tons above Siberia in that year,

1081
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:15,119
and there's the unfortunately studied didn't begin until many years

1082
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,840
later because this happened just after the nineteen oh five revolution,

1083
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,920
which was a massive upheaval in Russia for sin doctor Jivago,

1084
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,519
you'll know all about that. Then in nineteen seventeen, this

1085
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,280
is followed by the Bolshevik Revolution which created the Soviet Union,

1086
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,519
and so literally it was a few years after that

1087
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:36,679
the first expedition actually went there, led by a guy

1088
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:41,119
called Leonid Kulik, and Kolick himself actually mentioned when he

1089
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:43,480
got down and it's an extremely difficult place to get

1090
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,199
to even today, it's difficult to get to in those days,

1091
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,719
like you have to trek through your to trek through

1092
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:51,559
this swamp, through this forest. It's like really really difficult

1093
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,760
get to. He said that he believed that something would

1094
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,599
have impacted and left an impact create or at least

1095
01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:58,760
there will be fragments to the landed like you saw

1096
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:03,199
with Shellybinsk another rush in case more recent there were fragments. Now,

1097
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:08,039
no fragments of the Tunguska object developed being discovered. Disappoint

1098
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,800
Now this could be because I said, it's difficulty, the

1099
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,360
logistic and practical difficulty of obtaining the study of obtaining

1100
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,400
these specimens, or it could be that it was something

1101
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,559
else and not an asteroid.

1102
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 4: Perhaps power it up if but I did find that

1103
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,239
that would affect oh, the way you believe this phenomena

1104
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:29,559
to be.

1105
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 11: Are they going to tell us that there was other

1106
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:41,360
whippositions featuring future cosmonauts that were very keen to go

1107
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,559
out with them, And they'd read verious science fiction books

1108
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,639
talking about space people, and so that fired up.

1109
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:50,599
Speaker 6: Their enthusiasm because they thought that maybe someone had a

1110
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,039
theory in one of the science fiction novels that the

1111
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:56,360
Tunguska event was a spacecraft or something. So there was

1112
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,719
actually expeditions that went out there after Kulik in the

1113
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,400
nine in sixties and they got to perimeter and one

1114
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,679
guy found metal fragments and he was convinced it was

1115
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:09,519
part of the spaceship, but as only later on they

1116
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:11,440
found it as part of an old tractor or something.

1117
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: So we've got to be careful of what claims do

1118
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:17,880
make it. This isotopic ratio, that's how they can tell.

1119
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,800
When doctor Irena Scott talked about this about they can

1120
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,599
tell from a material where it comes from Earth or

1121
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,400
not by its isotopic ratio. Yeah, but I mean what

1122
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:29,079
had was there was there was a major UFO incident

1123
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,719
at the time just before the explosion, and it was

1124
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,920
reported in several newspapers actually in the area. Even though

1125
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,679
it was a remote area, there were several settlements, small villages,

1126
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:41,920
small towns across Siberia. Rasputen grew up, grew up in

1127
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,519
one of these communities. It's it's very it's a very

1128
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,920
very strange culture. But they reported seeing an object change

1129
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,840
direction of a glowing object that was heading north towards

1130
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,400
the Tungdusk area and it had changed direction. Now a

1131
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,960
meteor wouldn't do that, and if it was, if it

1132
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:57,599
was impacting.

1133
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:03,559
Speaker 6: There was also talking to sort of et predictions. There

1134
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,320
was a case of I think this is in northern

1135
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,519
Italy and the Dolomite Mountains, and I can't remember I

1136
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,079
saw it on President's Channel or another channel, but I

1137
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:16,800
covered it in my falsh Anyway, this guy's it's actually

1138
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,559
a former aircraft engineer, but he was drying. I think

1139
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:22,719
this is in the sixties. He was driving through the

1140
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,000
Dolomite Mountains on this road that he knew.

1141
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 7: Very very well.

1142
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:28,039
Speaker 6: It was a thick fog and he's heading to a

1143
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:30,880
hotel to stay where his aunt ran a hotel in

1144
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,400
the area, and he's going to stay there the night.

1145
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,719
But either he broke down or the fog was too

1146
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,199
thick to carry on. I'm not quite sure which, but

1147
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,800
basically he stopped there and was going to sleep overnight

1148
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,800
in his car, but he noticed this light glowing down

1149
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,480
the bank, so he went to investigat and as he

1150
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:51,039
got there, he found this flying saucer, and on the

1151
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:54,719
outside of it was again a creature, a robot, a

1152
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,639
fore armed robot with two legs or three legs, appearing

1153
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:01,519
to do do something to the outside of the craft.

1154
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,239
I twiddle it, or rotate it, or do something to it.

1155
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,920
And there was two people in the domed cockpit, and

1156
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:10,840
one of them came down like a ladder or a

1157
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,960
beam or something and spoke to me. He had a

1158
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,920
sort of spacesuit on or something like that, but he

1159
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:18,920
was talking to him. And one of the interesting things

1160
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,679
he did say was that on his planet where he

1161
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,320
came from, is that they didn't do any work. They

1162
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,480
had no kind of work like we would have here,

1163
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,480
but meal tasks were done by ape like creatures. And

1164
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:35,519
I thought that was interesting, as I was talking about

1165
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:38,000
Bigfoot earlier on, and I wonder if they could be

1166
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:42,639
like a version of Bigfoot on this particular planet. And

1167
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,840
then later on he said this alien that there'll be

1168
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:49,840
shifts in the magnetic poles of the Earth, and at

1169
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,159
some point after that, there'll be a great rift that

1170
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:57,039
opens up between I can't remember where, a split all

1171
01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,840
the way across Europe where the Earth will open up

1172
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,840
as and most of that will disappear into the sea

1173
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,719
or something like that, which I thought was interesting. And

1174
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,679
this guy actually wanted to go with the aliens. He says,

1175
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:09,239
please take me with you, and they said no, no,

1176
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:09,960
we can't do that.

1177
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,159
Speaker 3: Walter, is he that's the guy that's it? Yeah, thank you.

1178
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, can you explaine it more about the prediction at

1179
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,039
the end about the earth cataclysmic prediction.

1180
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 3: I can't remember I forgot that right or not.

1181
01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 4: I think they said that the Earth. I'm trying to

1182
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,639
remember it as well, but I think what they told

1183
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:33,480
him was that the Earth will actually tilt on its

1184
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:37,960
access before called straight floods and and up being a

1185
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:43,440
largely existential event for humanity, but rckets will survive. It's

1186
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,559
an interesting prediction because that does come up in a

1187
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:49,360
number of cases. Yeah, he had a nice conversation with

1188
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,320
these guys which was really fascinating. I remember asking him

1189
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,559
about God. Oh yeah, a god, and they said, well,

1190
01:06:56,159 --> 01:07:00,760
you everything around us that is God. Yet that was

1191
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,679
an interesting way of looking at it. That many people

1192
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:10,719
get a lot of communication that is that extensive. But

1193
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,679
it was an interesting case and had landing traces as well.

1194
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:19,400
So all right on his own anecdotal testimony.

1195
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 5: Then, were you high elms for the the Simon Parks talk,

1196
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,440
which one the last one back in July? I think

1197
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,159
it was Jane July.

1198
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: No, I was actually un for surely. I went to

1199
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:33,719
and I had to go to another event that weekend,

1200
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,760
which I'd already booked, but it's very sad that those

1201
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,679
two events clashed.

1202
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically I'm going back to kind of like

1203
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:43,719
the Strange metals and the alien metals. I actually won

1204
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,840
a paper clip. So this paper clip is made out

1205
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,519
of night and All and Night and All is a

1206
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:54,280
new kind of the military have been working on it.

1207
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,079
It's a metal where you can bend it into any

1208
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,559
shape like this, and if if I had a bowl

1209
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:02,400
of hot water, you could put it in and it

1210
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,559
will spring back to exactly the shape that it was originally.

1211
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,559
Roswell metal to me, this is why it was an

1212
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:12,480
assignment Parks talk. So he was talking about. He was

1213
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,159
talking about alien technology that has been picked up by

1214
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:20,119
humans and used by humans, so things like fiber optics, lasers,

1215
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,560
things like that. And then he brought up this night

1216
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,880
and oll, which is this new metal that the military

1217
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,520
have been using. Is that the reason the military interested

1218
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:32,319
it's self healing properties. So for instance, if a tank

1219
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,520
gets hit or like a bullet goes into metal that

1220
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:40,039
can kind of self heal kind of thing. So anyway,

1221
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,960
I answered a question. I forgot what the question was,

1222
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,239
but I won this little paper clips may not look

1223
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:45,920
very much.

1224
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 3: But alien stationary.

1225
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 5: But if I had a bowl of hot water, I've

1226
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,520
probably ever got time at the moment, I could drop

1227
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,479
that in and it will spring back to shape. And

1228
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,119
what I'll do is I will drop this into chat.

1229
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:04,000
The other one that's interested going to I think it's

1230
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:08,720
Reddit and search for this paper clip is made out

1231
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,760
of night and ol and can be programmed to a

1232
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,319
certain shape. When it has been deformed, it can go

1233
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,880
back to its program shaped by heating up the metal.

1234
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,199
And the video shows you how it's done. Very interesting.

1235
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,079
Speaker 3: Well, do try it yourself and let us know what

1236
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:23,479
was now. As for the what I didn't hear, Simon Thorp.

1237
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,640
What he's describes very much the content of Colonel Philip

1238
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,279
Corso's The Day After Oswell, which unfortunately didn't make a

1239
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,279
lot of sense to me. For example, when it comes

1240
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:34,800
to fiber octic and the lasers, we know how that

1241
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:37,960
there's a like a pa petrail of inventors and people

1242
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,520
like that who've actually and developers and people and that

1243
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,359
who have actually created these things. That being said, when

1244
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:48,640
it comes to more generally, when it comes to you

1245
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,680
a secret science done on the remains of craft and bodies, yes,

1246
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:56,520
I'm sure there were some things that do come from that.

1247
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,760
Maybe this Night and Old does I know that? To

1248
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:01,399
Anthi Brigalia got managed to get to a Freedom of

1249
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:06,319
Information Act request from Susan Goff of four people, which

1250
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,960
was very heavily redacted. Only thirteen of the one hundred

1251
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,920
and forty odd pages of this were published, but they

1252
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,119
do mention this material, and again it seems to be

1253
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,640
popped up out of nowhere. Maybe it was. Maybe it

1254
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,560
actually was that very very thing. So maybe some things

1255
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,159
have some of that secret science has actually been seeded

1256
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:29,720
into the industrial world and has been allowed to enter

1257
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,680
public use. I don't completely write the whole thing off.

1258
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to do. You guys keep chatting and they're

1259
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:35,319
live it.

1260
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 3: Please do, I'm going to hit it. You've got an exclusive.

1261
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,319
Speaker 6: Whole black Budget has gone into making a paper clip

1262
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:43,000
for us to use.

1263
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,079
Speaker 3: That's the MAINI but you've really got an exclusive. Yah,

1264
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:46,119
Let's see if it works.

1265
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,199
Speaker 6: So, talking of alien technology, people have tried to bring

1266
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:52,600
things back off of craft, haven't They pressed them to

1267
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,640
try and prove their experiences?

1268
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, armors always unsuccessfully. I know the very first

1269
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,079
case that got any publicity at all, and I'm telling

1270
01:11:04,119 --> 01:11:08,439
you obvious, boas right tried to grab a sort of

1271
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:13,840
clock booking object, which immediately ended his on board experience.

1272
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:17,039
They pushed him over, grabbed it, took it away from him,

1273
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:19,680
and quickly escorted him off the craft.

1274
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 3: Wow, nicking the stuff from us. Yeah, that case is

1275
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,439
most famous because he he was actually he was given

1276
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,960
some kind of strange gas. He had to inhale some

1277
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:32,640
sort of strange gas that obviously messed with his mind

1278
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,880
because he was He then saw a creature that looked

1279
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,319
like a human woman, not exactly obviously.

1280
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 4: Wasn't that several intimate relations.

1281
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 3: Either, yes, something He recalls having sex with his creature

1282
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,960
very eagerly, which you'd think would be unthinkable in that situation.

1283
01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:51,039
Speaker 4: That's why I wanted the clock.

1284
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:56,359
Speaker 3: He wanted to time himself itself. That the Well, that's

1285
01:11:56,399 --> 01:11:58,479
interesting you bring that up, Preston. I mean, we kind

1286
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,279
of change. It's a don't want to change the subject

1287
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,000
if you have more to say on the clock and materials.

1288
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,319
But the reproductive elements of encounters, Yeah.

1289
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 4: A number of people who reported it essentially that that

1290
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,319
same sequence of events. It's not super common, but absolutely

1291
01:12:16,399 --> 01:12:20,079
does come up. I've interviewed a few people myself, you know,

1292
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,720
describe it sort of thing which fits in with the

1293
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,560
h the nerdive that a lot of people are having

1294
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:30,159
genetic material removed, whether you're male or female.

1295
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,319
Speaker 3: This spurn extracted, overtaken from and indeed there's there's sexually

1296
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:39,199
encounters in the case of Antonio Villis Boche. I actually

1297
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:43,359
know a lady who has written extensively on this and Andrews.

1298
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,920
She has a son who does not live in our world.

1299
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:51,920
He lives in the alien world, and she's mtive Jason

1300
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,359
Is that is the son who yeah, who is like

1301
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,760
was planted into her. Yet she has another son that

1302
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,039
was taken from her. What she's with him. Man, he's

1303
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:03,199
living on he's living in this. He's called Nathan. He's

1304
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:06,039
living in this, in the world of the aliens. And

1305
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:09,479
this is something that you know you I didn't. I

1306
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:10,880
didn't discuss it with her. I just read it in

1307
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,159
a book because it's upsets hers so much to talk

1308
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:14,720
about it. You can't really talk about it.

1309
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 5: But yeah, guys, I'm going to bend it as much

1310
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:19,079
as I can.

1311
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 3: Here we go, Here we go.

1312
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 5: Now, I know some people that is so that's that's

1313
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,000
that's the paper clip. You can all say that completely

1314
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,399
making Some people might think I'm hiding like a different

1315
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:30,359
paper clip, but I'm not.

1316
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,039
Speaker 3: I trust you that, we trust you.

1317
01:13:34,279 --> 01:13:36,239
Speaker 5: There's a cup of water. I can't I can't show

1318
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:38,640
you that it's empty because it will pour over the keyboard.

1319
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,640
We just take my word for it. This is the

1320
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,000
paper clip. This is hot water.

1321
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 3: Okay, how does it take to go back.

1322
01:13:46,199 --> 01:13:52,119
Speaker 5: Instantly? Okay, I'm going to try keep the spiking shot.

1323
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:58,239
This is the paper clip that's just come out. No, really, yep, really, Now,

1324
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:00,560
I can't tip up the cup to show there's not

1325
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,520
two paper clips because it will spill all over the

1326
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:08,399
over the the thing, but it is instant. I wonder

1327
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:09,840
if there's a way of doing it.

1328
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 6: So for those listening on audio and he's just placed

1329
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,319
this bent paper clip into a cup of hot water.

1330
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:23,520
Speaker 5: You know how I might switch cameras if I've got

1331
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,720
my remote camera right, head.

1332
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:29,159
Speaker 3: Straw, I mean that's to be able to do this.

1333
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,359
I've obviously skeptic will say that. A skeptic will say

1334
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:35,119
that Andy didn't have two paper clips. And I trust Andy.

1335
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:37,279
I've known him a long time. Every metal is that

1336
01:14:37,359 --> 01:14:37,760
the term?

1337
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:41,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? Night and know, I'm going to switch cameras. I

1338
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:42,560
don't know if this is going to work.

1339
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 3: To see this actually happen. I like to see it.

1340
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,560
This is changing. They must speak exams on you.

1341
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,079
Speaker 5: I can do it. Let's have but we go, oh

1342
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,119
look right, okay, this is I'm going to need Yeah,

1343
01:14:57,119 --> 01:14:58,720
I'm going to I'm going to need two hands to

1344
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,520
bend it. Okay, okay, right.

1345
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 3: His David Copper filled moment.

1346
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:11,159
Speaker 5: Yeah right, So skeptics have a look at this. So

1347
01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:13,399
this is you'd agree that's completely bent.

1348
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,279
Speaker 3: Right, Watch, that's incredible.

1349
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,359
Speaker 5: That is called night and all. That's real night and all. Yeah,

1350
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,359
my god, So this is this is what I I'm

1351
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:28,560
going to do that again. I'm going to do it

1352
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,119
again so you can watch me. I'm going to.

1353
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:33,359
Speaker 3: That's because of a Simon parks like he gets so

1354
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,119
much grief off the skeptics and people. Yeah, it really does.

1355
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:38,000
But I mean they'll say, oh, it's all fake, but

1356
01:15:38,399 --> 01:15:41,800
he takes everything. But he didn't let him know. We've

1357
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:42,199
done this.

1358
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you can you can see completely bent. Okay,

1359
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,119
completely bent. Now, if this was a tank or something

1360
01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:52,199
and it got hit by a bullet, a hot bullet

1361
01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:54,840
or something, presumably.

1362
01:15:54,640 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 3: It could goes instantaneously. This is what Jesse Marcel Junior

1363
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,119
witness when you're shown the sheet of metal by his

1364
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:07,680
father in nineteen forty seven.

1365
01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 4: I mean hard still is a per club cast.

1366
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: I won it.

1367
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,399
Speaker 5: You could a's get it off eBay for about a

1368
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:18,159
fiver paper type about five. I'm going to find a

1369
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:20,800
link and I'm going to drop Neil. Perhaps you could

1370
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,279
put this link in the comments section or something like that. Yeah, sure,

1371
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:27,279
but they're not that much.

1372
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,399
Speaker 3: So is it close to like aluminium or something?

1373
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,199
Speaker 5: This metal so there Apparently they've been working on it.

1374
01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:40,039
Simon says it's using alien technology or derived from alien technology.

1375
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,279
But this is human metal that they've kind of like

1376
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,279
used alien technology to create it kind of thing. So

1377
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,520
again with things like lasers and fiber optics, it's like

1378
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:55,000
the concept apparently comes from the aliens. Humans are taking

1379
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:57,800
it back, engineered it and created this new thing from it.

1380
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 6: So I can imagine all these aliens landing. They're flying

1381
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,640
sources saying hey, everybody, we come in peace and we've

1382
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,560
got a box full of paper clips for you.

1383
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:09,359
Speaker 3: They're into Nashic station delivery, a stationary delivery. So the

1384
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,680
intergalactic equivalence.

1385
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 5: Of them, I fell off the three quid of eBay.

1386
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,119
Speaker 4: Okay, if they could make your car out of that,

1387
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:18,560
no more dance in your car.

1388
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, this is I mean, this is a

1389
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,520
really ex shordinary really, I mean, because have you ever look.

1390
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 6: At that preston this metal that ben I mean, obviously

1391
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,840
we've heard about this mentioned in the Roswell scenario, but

1392
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:31,520
have you never.

1393
01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:34,359
Speaker 3: Heard of that in this snast Just trying to think.

1394
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 4: Now, pmber of them successfully reversed engineering it. No, they

1395
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,159
have not that personally.

1396
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 6: There's just a focus on that demonstration by Andy quite easy,

1397
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:49,119
you know, Oh yeah.

1398
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,319
Speaker 3: That was really that was one of the most remarkable

1399
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:53,600
things I've seen. Andy, thanks for doing that live on

1400
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:54,880
the show and giving nearly six.

1401
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 5: I know, I know the skeptics of saying, oh, he's

1402
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,359
got two paper clicking and in it. I'm not I'm

1403
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:03,199
not a magician. I'm not an illusionist. If I say something,

1404
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:03,760
it's real.

1405
01:18:04,039 --> 01:18:06,039
Speaker 3: So and we've just seen we've just seen you actually

1406
01:18:06,079 --> 01:18:07,720
doing it. He doesn't have two paper clips.

1407
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, have a limited lifespan, so it can only do

1408
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,479
it so many times where it wears out.

1409
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 5: Maybe I'll just keep on doing it throughout the show

1410
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:15,319
and see.

1411
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,319
Speaker 3: But this interesting experhise if the effect actually does wear off,

1412
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:21,439
because yeah.

1413
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 5: It will wear off with the decrease in temperature of

1414
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,000
the water. So when it goes back to room temperature,

1415
01:18:27,039 --> 01:18:29,319
each time you do it, it will get slower and

1416
01:18:29,399 --> 01:18:33,319
slower to do. That's hot water, yeah, hot for some reason.

1417
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:35,399
It's it reacts to heat.

1418
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,399
Speaker 4: Only how happened that you put into the freezer. You

1419
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:39,319
can't bend it it all.

1420
01:18:41,359 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 3: He's going to spend the rest of the show in

1421
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:52,119
the freezer now. But that's that's that is remarkable. No, Obviously,

1422
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:57,159
like these meta materials and things like that, quasi crystals

1423
01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:58,359
you keep hearing about.

1424
01:18:59,800 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 7: There.

1425
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 3: They're obviously like these new smart material to keep and

1426
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:07,000
a power. The questions were that were they their origins.

1427
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,279
It's interesting to look into whether their origins really were

1428
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:16,239
from the study of extraterrestrial objects artifacts. Yeah, maybe I

1429
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:18,520
wouldn't be really surprised. I mean, we do this. We

1430
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,720
do reverse engineer things which we find. I mean, we

1431
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:26,079
we've always done this. I mean, when, for example, when

1432
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,960
our ancestors first learned to work metals, you know, we

1433
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,000
probably one community developed this skill, and then others would

1434
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:35,520
visit them and they learn it, and they go back

1435
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,319
and they and they try it themselves, and these ideas

1436
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,079
would spread very very quickly food until eventually the whole

1437
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:44,239
human population was doing it. And technology does like this.

1438
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,319
In fact, you know, a lot of a lot of

1439
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,640
the world's technology that was invented here in Europe is

1440
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,880
now being used worldwide. I mean, wherever you go in

1441
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,560
the world, you will find cars, you will find electricity.

1442
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,479
These things were developed by scientists, mostly on the European continents,

1443
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,000
but they been adopted by people across the world. Indeed,

1444
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,479
we ourselves here in Europe have adopted things that have

1445
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,119
been developed elsewhere we learned from each other, and indeed

1446
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:11,720
on a cosmic scale, why shouldn't we do the same. Now,

1447
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,560
I'm not saying the aliens have, you know, willingly given

1448
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,479
us technology. Maybe some of them have, or maybe we have.

1449
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:24,439
We have obtained it from their own accidental losses, their

1450
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,039
own craft coming down to grief on the Earth's surface.

1451
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,239
So yeah, or maybe some people stealing things during abductions,

1452
01:20:32,319 --> 01:20:34,720
like like Antonio tried to in Brazil.

1453
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,520
Speaker 5: You know, now this is interesting, guys, that the water

1454
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,720
temperature is decreasing and it's it's it's slowing the time

1455
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,119
for it to get back. So I'm going to do

1456
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,439
I'm going to show you guys again like a slow

1457
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,520
slow motion version of it.

1458
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 6: I didn't realize we're turning ourselves into a science show.

1459
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:06,079
Speaker 5: It's really Pool Daniels show. Okay, so this is just

1460
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:12,880
as fascinating for me. So again, this is here we are, Okay,

1461
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:13,920
I'm going to drop it in.

1462
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it is still it's still forming back and

1463
01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:22,520
returning to its original shape. It's taking longer. You're right,

1464
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,720
it's taking longer to do it, and it hasn't right, Oh,

1465
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,680
it is going I thought the other it goes slowly going.

1466
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:36,119
But in cooler water it's not working so well. When

1467
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:38,399
it's fashioned into a particular shape. I mean, if you

1468
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,800
had that same metal and you had it shaped like

1469
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,720
a fork, so a dinner fork, it has to kind

1470
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,199
of remember its shape.

1471
01:21:47,079 --> 01:21:50,199
Speaker 6: How yeah, hell, how does it remember that it's a

1472
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:50,880
paper clip?

1473
01:21:51,279 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 5: How is you doing this? I don't because you're right,

1474
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,960
it's it's the idea is that it is a programmed metal.

1475
01:21:59,119 --> 01:22:01,319
But yeah, yeah, I don't.

1476
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 4: I don't.

1477
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 5: I don't know how it would remember because it's quite

1478
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:04,920
a specific shape.

1479
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 6: You need to write to a scientist and send some exambie.

1480
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,159
But don't use that paper click with the attachments, because

1481
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:11,680
you'll do it.

1482
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,079
Speaker 4: Never get it back, you see.

1483
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 3: Because yes, some some materials are very flexible. For example,

1484
01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:19,479
if you make some a rubber version of that woods

1485
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,720
would if you made something like a rubber, of course

1486
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,159
it would. The moment you can press you you warp it.

1487
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,880
It does return to its original shape because it has

1488
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,399
that flexibility. But I mean, it's it doesn't make any

1489
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:32,439
difference in the case of rubber, whether it's in a

1490
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,560
hot water or cold water or in the air.

1491
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,039
Speaker 5: Completely non magnetic, right.

1492
01:22:38,039 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 3: It's not not slung deals. What if it can ducts,

1493
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,279
electricity or something you.

1494
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 5: Know I can take, I can test the actually.

1495
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,039
Speaker 6: So in a minute, I'd like to talk about a

1496
01:22:51,079 --> 01:22:53,319
few contact cases before we close the show.

1497
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:54,359
Speaker 3: Pression.

1498
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 6: So if you're on your particular favorite contact cases, have

1499
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:58,800
a sink while Standley's just getting his.

1500
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I've got many, many favorite cases.

1501
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,279
It's very hard to choose. I did interview a gentleman

1502
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:15,640
from my early recent book Humanoids and Highest Strangeness who

1503
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,720
had an on board experience as a young boy, which

1504
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,880
he didn't out the use of hypnosis, But it turned

1505
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,680
out his mom was with him during the experience and

1506
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,000
she had no memory of it either. He had gone

1507
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:37,439
to a hypnotist. It's quit smoking, and this is what

1508
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,800
came out, and he was going to hypnosis because he

1509
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:46,760
had a problem with insomnia. These experiences came out and

1510
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,479
absolutely corroborated each other. His experience occurd at age seven,

1511
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,520
turned out she hadn't experienced at age seven. Voted her parent,

1512
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,840
and so did his kid. So it's four generations who

1513
01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:03,520
Adam Connor is all beginning at age seven continuing.

1514
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 3: Wow was that with gray beans?

1515
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 7: Was it?

1516
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:09,279
Speaker 5: Or as it was?

1517
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,520
Speaker 4: Great tears right.

1518
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:19,159
Speaker 6: Any is is it conductive of electricity?

1519
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 3: Andy that it is?

1520
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:21,520
Speaker 5: Indeed, Yeah, it is conductive.

1521
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1522
01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:25,399
Speaker 5: I'm going to drop a link. There's an eBay link there,

1523
01:24:26,119 --> 01:24:31,199
but people can just search for it literally Amazon eBay, wherever.

1524
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,319
Look up paper clip night and old spelt n I

1525
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,680
T I n O L night.

1526
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:41,560
Speaker 3: Everyone's going to be buying it now, show for it. Yeah.

1527
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,359
Speaker 6: Now, there was a case I sent to you Preston recently,

1528
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:47,840
which was you said You've got which was a very

1529
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:51,159
interesting cation like the eighteen hundreds, and it was actually

1530
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,199
reported to new from many many years later, like thirty

1531
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:59,039
or four years later, and it was the guy's grandfather

1532
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,560
had a case of him and his brothers were working

1533
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,279
on a farm somewhere, I forget where it was, and

1534
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,680
the dogs were barking at something. So they went to

1535
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,439
investigate what they were barking at, and they looked over

1536
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,680
a wall on their property and it was this small

1537
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,039
green man. He seemed to be wearing a kind of

1538
01:25:19,039 --> 01:25:21,920
wrap around hat or something, but his arms were hanging down.

1539
01:25:22,359 --> 01:25:24,079
He only appeared to be a couple of feet high.

1540
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:28,640
But you're sitting there looking at something, and then the

1541
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,920
dogs just went for him and they ripped this would

1542
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,119
call it alien to shreds.

1543
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely pulverized it.

1544
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,079
Speaker 6: These three dogs pulled the whole thing apart, but the

1545
01:25:38,119 --> 01:25:40,880
alien didn't even scream in pain or something, you know,

1546
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,960
And they crunched its bones and all sorts of things,

1547
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,199
and so then the guy just thought, oh okay, So

1548
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:49,399
they left it and went back to work. They go

1549
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,800
and check on it, and there's all the blood and guts.

1550
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,439
They're still there. But it went back there the next

1551
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,279
day and there wasn't a mess at all anywhere, No

1552
01:25:58,399 --> 01:26:02,319
traces of blood, intestines, no body, no bits of bone.

1553
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,840
Very very strange case. And that was like the grandfather

1554
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,600
kind of spoke to his grandson about it many many

1555
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,760
many years later, and it wasn't something like really talked about,

1556
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,840
but it was he had to be really encouraged to

1557
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,279
talk about it before he died.

1558
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 3: Do you call that case?

1559
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 7: I do.

1560
01:26:21,039 --> 01:26:23,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you sent me the link and I took a

1561
01:26:23,359 --> 01:26:25,680
look at it. I did find it very interesting. But

1562
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,239
it is a multiple witness case to me that always

1563
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:32,159
raises the level of credibility, not just one person saying this,

1564
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,279
although it is pretty much solely eyewitness testimony. Quite unusual

1565
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,319
I do know of a case almost identical to it,

1566
01:26:40,359 --> 01:26:46,760
which occurred much later in Gosh, nineteen seventy something, North Carolina.

1567
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:53,039
A farmer whose dog started barking furiously. He went running

1568
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:54,800
to see what the dog was barking at. As soon

1569
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,720
as he arrived, this dog attack what we would call

1570
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,399
a gray et and mangled it up guy so badly

1571
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,119
that he basically fled and stayed in a hotel that night.

1572
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,600
But he didn't stay in his home and went back

1573
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,840
to the next day and again found no trace of it.

1574
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,680
But essentially the same description of you know, what happened

1575
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:19,560
really unusual, I mean, and again in his case he

1576
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:24,880
didn't see a UFO, but it was much more akin

1577
01:27:25,039 --> 01:27:28,840
to a typical great et. Or is this one which

1578
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,800
occurred in nineteen thirteen or fourteen? I believe that you're

1579
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:37,640
described in Texas would be well, we would call you know,

1580
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:43,520
a little person or an l or a no barrier,

1581
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,359
what have you, which sounds crazy, but our present pretty

1582
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:51,279
much all cultures across this planet and are very well

1583
01:27:51,319 --> 01:27:57,359
authenticated and not usually you know, connected directly to a

1584
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,319
craft as we would think of it.

1585
01:28:00,359 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 6: Though they're just there without any kind of presence of

1586
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:03,359
getting there.

1587
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 3: They don't.

1588
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 6: No one's aware of how they got there.

1589
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 3: Certainly they know how they've gone.

1590
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 4: And wearing a little hat by the way, which was

1591
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,000
kind of an interesting detail, Yeah.

1592
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,359
Speaker 3: A little some hat interesting. The dogs didn't come off

1593
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:16,239
that bad.

1594
01:28:16,279 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 6: I mean, you was thought if they're biting into some

1595
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,920
sort of alien flesh or something, the blood getting into

1596
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,600
their mouth, they might come up with some little weird

1597
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,560
infection or something, you know, But they seem to fare

1598
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,399
well through it and survived by all.

1599
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 4: Accounts physically emotionally. If from when I remember in the case,

1600
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,920
they were pretty upset and stuck close to their own ears.

1601
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:38,399
It's kind of an interesting detail that does turn up

1602
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:42,840
in a number of UFO cases where animals are quite

1603
01:28:43,039 --> 01:28:44,479
unnerved by the encounter.

1604
01:28:46,199 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a place in Whales, shouldn't that He's

1605
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,319
written about in the Welsh Triangle book where which includes

1606
01:28:53,359 --> 01:28:56,720
the broad Haven School incident, which is ussimilar to the

1607
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,399
rural Zimbabwe one. This is from nineteen seventy seven looks

1608
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,319
where the dog went missing, and this is a time

1609
01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:07,479
when there was a flying saucer over a road which

1610
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,479
was near someone's house. Then the dogs went were barking

1611
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,039
at it. One of them went missing and came back

1612
01:29:12,039 --> 01:29:15,880
in the morning and was never the same again. It

1613
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:18,680
would hardly go out without the owner there, and was

1614
01:29:20,319 --> 01:29:24,319
total personality change of this dog. And in my view,

1615
01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:27,079
the dog had been experienced in an abduction which had

1616
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:29,600
frightened him, and these things do have an effect in

1617
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:30,079
that sense.

1618
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 4: I wrote a whole chapter about that. Am I not

1619
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,760
from here theory? They've just put a volume five chapter

1620
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,479
on aliens took my dog. There's a lot of cases.

1621
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,279
Speaker 3: Is large number? Would they have interest in us? So

1622
01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:46,479
why wouldn't they have an interest in other speeches as well?

1623
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 4: Makes perfect sense.

1624
01:29:48,399 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: Did they return the dogs afterwards?

1625
01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:54,119
Speaker 4: Yes, in the vast majority of cases, And if they didn't,

1626
01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:56,560
how would we know unless you've actually seen the dog

1627
01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:02,000
being taken? Yeah, yeah, armsdel all kinds of missing people

1628
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,079
on this planet, which people are saying, no, maybe they're

1629
01:30:04,079 --> 01:30:07,319
taken by UFOs. Oh maybe, but you know, people go

1630
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:12,079
missing for a lot of reasons. Yeah, really hard to speculate.

1631
01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 3: So the book you're walking on now, Preston.

1632
01:30:17,319 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 4: I'm always working on a couple. I'm working right now

1633
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:24,960
on the sequel to Symmetry Huh, which is one of

1634
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,039
my more successful books about Dolly Saffron and her lifelong

1635
01:30:28,119 --> 01:30:33,279
contact with DTS, which it's really the most extensive contact

1636
01:30:33,359 --> 01:30:37,920
base I've ever had the privilege to investigate. So it's

1637
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:43,119
going to be extraordinary. But my hope continuing her experiences,

1638
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,479
but working on another but my own experiences with astral projection,

1639
01:30:48,079 --> 01:30:50,039
which I've got really interested in, and I've had a

1640
01:30:50,079 --> 01:30:52,920
lot of experiences with that and other books on the

1641
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:58,199
paranormal and of course humanoids encounters, my friend's super fascinating

1642
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:02,960
and maintain that is the cutting edge of UFL research. Yeah,

1643
01:31:05,039 --> 01:31:06,960
I think are the areas where we built a lot

1644
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,560
of potential change the way people think subject.

1645
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Speaker 6: Well, I know that people look forward to your Friday

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night uploads to YouTube of your videos of contact cases

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01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,359
with humanoids and things, which I always thoroughly enjoy, So

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it's always worth watching Preston's channel for that. I actually

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it's bizarre. I came across this video on YouTube the

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other day and it's it's only been up there for

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01:31:32,399 --> 01:31:34,680
about eight days. It had like one hundred and fifty

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01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:39,840
thousand hits, and there's why are there clocktails on supermarkets?

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01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,960
And you're thinking, why are people so interested finding about

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01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:47,920
clocktails on supermarkets. You know, here here's fascinating cases of

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01:31:48,079 --> 01:31:51,520
UFOs and contacts of alien creatures, and but people want

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01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,279
to know about clocks on supermarket building.

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Speaker 3: Just bizarre, you know, really weird because it's right here

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01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:01,600
in front of me on my YouTube tree top Benz. Yes, yes,

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01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:06,159
right here in front of me. Yeah, that's some. That's right.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you very much, indeed, Presston for that. So

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they can find out more about you at your website

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Presidendennett dot com.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Essentially it's president dot Weebley dot com, but my name should.

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01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:22,239
Speaker 6: Be okay, And they can also find you on YouTube

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01:32:22,279 --> 01:32:26,960
Preston Dennett as well paranormal and UFO stories there. And

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he's obviously got a lot of books, so you can

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see those on Preston's website and also on Amazon as well.

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So thank you very much, indeed for join us once

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01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,239
again Preston on the Paranoral peep Show. And thank you

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01:32:38,359 --> 01:32:41,279
Andy for the wonderful science demonstrations of paper clips.

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Speaker 5: I could call it operation paper clip.

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01:32:44,119 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 3: Maybe this is thinking, yeah, operation paper clips. He's a

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ver von Brown of the Paranormal Picture.

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Speaker 6: And thank you Ben for joining us once more as

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assistant post and it's been a great chat and with

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great unions.

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Speaker 3: So you're listening to.

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Speaker 6: Us on the Paranormal peep Show and take care and

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we'll see you next month.

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Speaker 3: Good night then everyone,