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now we can can you with this month with Part
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talking with Preston Dennett and our additional guest Michael Horn,
stay tuned.
Speaker 3: So as much as I'm glad to see President Trump
sign an executive order to declassify the JFK files, and
as Chuck Schumer says, now do UFOs. But and it's
clearly that there's an intent there within the executive of
this of this new administration. But how likely is it
to be successful? Do you think how much authority does
Trump or Nancy Mace or Tim Burchett or any of
these people really have over this when you consider that,
you know, Matt Gates, was it Matt Gates and Anapauline
and Luna they were turned away from a military base.
They were told you can't come in here, and it says,
don't tell us that we are your your governments. You
can't keep us out of here, and they say, yes
we can.
Speaker 4: Well that's the look that question. I don't know that
our president is the one who is running the country
natural or the legislation, legislative brand, or the judicial branch,
or any of them. Because if you trace the cover up,
who's the folks behind it, it's the highest levels of
the military, non elected officials, and even beyond that, because
you can't give a freedom of information request to a
private corporation.
Speaker 3: The nursery industrial complex.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are the folks behind the cover up. One
percenters to some degree, corporations, energy industry, pharmaceutical industry, banking
and insurance industries. I think these are the ones probably
who have some influence on.
Speaker 3: All of this.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's the intelligence agencies Kantagon, the CIA, the FBI,
the NSA so forth, are in the know who are
controlling this, but I think are probably being used by
the ultra rich, the cabal. To speak, for lack of
a better word.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, just so far as the
banking industry goes, I mean, we've all heard this phrase,
you know, billions owed, you know countries, you know UK
for instance, twenty two billion pound black hole debt, but
nobody ever asks it, certainly in the mainstream, who is
the money owed too. When we talk about countries in
debt and we talk about these the huge trillion or
quadrillion you know, debts, who is the ode too? And
people say, oh, I am f the international moneycy fund,
Well who owns that? Then you know that nobody asks, well,
who owns that? And when you get back to it,
exactly as you said, Preston, what we're talking about is
this this cabal, this elite group of banking families running
the whole show.
Speaker 3: After David Rothcoff wrote a book called Superclass, which is
a very interesting the instance you read, because it talks
about that there is literally a kind of breakaway civilization.
He puts it in the world of finance and industry
things like that, but of course it involves technology, It
involves a study of secret science and things like this,
which he doesn't bring up in his book. But it's
still it's still relevant, I think. But I don't want
to sound defeatist here because I don't believe it's a
lost cause. And clearly there is a will now, I
mean there's more of a will within the executive and
legislature in the United States to address this point that
they ever has. I've ever seen before.
Speaker 4: I mean, the legislative branch does have the authority to
oversight spending in the intelligent agencies.
Speaker 3: They're exerting their muscles in a way that past administrations didn't.
And I'm not defeatist about this, but it is. People
sometimes have this idea that the president, they call the
President of the United States, the most powerful man in
the world. Actually he's not. His power is very limited,
not just by the US Constitution itself, but also by
this reality that you've just you Andy in President have
just described. But I mean, I, as I said, I'm
not a pessimist here. I do believe things can come
out with left field and where there's a will as
a way for and now finally at least we have
a will.
Speaker 4: I'd like I was sitting ahead of State to just say,
flat up, you are real. We've been visited. That hasn't
happened yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we found one. We've had one say that the
not real. That is well, we found one say he
doesn't know. We just Bill Clinton. We he talked about
Ryan from Belfast to me and he asked me, is
there in ninety seven did the Aliens crash? It was well,
I don't know, and I want them to tell me.
Speaker 5: Well, although there was that Canadian Air Force guy who
basically said that they are real, I forgot the support.
Speaker 4: Now this she was tired. At that time, I thought
that a great guy up too, very passed on. I
have to give kudos to him. That took a lot
of courage to put your reputation on the line and
wants to fire.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: He was the defense minister in the sixties, I think,
and I was yeah, something that we heard about him.
Speaker 3: He was like ninety seven or something. Yeah, what was
done by him was really a man of the huge
energy because at the age of ninety five he started
doing tours and he was writing. He was writing a book.
I don't know if he managed to finish it, but
you know what, Oh good, hopefully we met you, Hopefully
we see it published. But what's really weird, Preston, is
that when he died, there were obituaries that written about him,
including one which I wrote, but the Canadian media, that
the mainstream media in Canada was completely silent, which is
weird considering this guy is he's one of the most
senior statesmen in the entire country. He was the longest
served members of the of the King's Council, which is
the most which is the senior house of the of
the Canadian Parliament. He was actually the longest sitting member
of the King's Council, yet there was no obituary to
him in the mainstream Canadian media at all. How weird
it was that he died silently and forgotten by everyone.
Speaker 4: Silence speak Yeah, since the thing said sometimes speaks louder
than words. And I asked you very suspicious about how
Congress has yet to interview a contact ee or talk
about humanoids really at all, that people are having direct contact.
We'll talk about sightings, yeah, talk about even crash retrievals.
And we called extra traatrial intelligence, no non human intelligence.
All these eupimisms driving me absolutely crazy. UAP is a
new one. Why you know, how has that changed the
game at all?
Speaker 3: It Well, the reason that the term UAP is actually
dates back to the Condine Report, which was a British
investigation in the nineteen eighties. But the reason it's been
adopted and ironically is but for the very same reason
that Robertson Panel in nineteen fifty two adopted the term
UFO because they didn't want it they didn't want to
sound crazy by saying flying saucer unfot shely we crazy
culturally appropriated UFO. So now they have to come up
with something new, and they chose UAP that there. Should
we go through, they'll eventually have to come up with
something new, because of course we will then will culturally
appropriate you ap as well.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: I think we come to a cultural appropriate point to
take a break in the Paranormal Peep Show, So I
think what we do here, we'll take a break. We
won't be back in a few minutes. We'll be back
in about half an hour because we do have an
interview with Michael Horn, who kindly spared some time with
us last week to talk about the Billy Meyer case
and his experiences of prophecies and.
Speaker 3: Things like that.
Speaker 6: So take a look at that, and then we'll be
back with you after that. Hi, welcome to a segment
in the Paranormal Peep Show where we're joined by Andy
and Ben and myself, but we also have a special
guest hailing in from the United States, and that is
Michael Horn. Welcome Michael, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Neil, Andy, Ben, glad to be here.
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you for joining us. Now we've been looking
at some of the material you've been putting out of
the last few years, and we know that you were
associated with the very controversial he has got a bit
of a controversial history, and that's Billy Meyer. And I
remember Billy Meyer as a kid seeing his pictures in
paperback books and thinking, Wow, these pictures look really impressive.
And I saw it in a center spread of a
weekend magazine once and thought this was intriguing. And then
I lost contact with the whole thing. But you've plowed
on and carried on, becoming more interested and kind of
worked with him. So how did you become involved in
the Billy Myer contact case.
Speaker 8: I walked into a bookstore in Los Angeles forty six
years ago, saw the first photo book with these astounding
UFO photos, knew I had to have it, bought the book,
and everything unfooned from there. The next main event was
that I got, through a circumstance of coincidence, the eighteen
hundred pages of the first translation of what are now
forty five thousand pages of information from Meyer's conversations with
these people dating back to the nineteen forties. In the
year two thousand, I went to Switzerland to meet Meyer
for the first time. I made my first video documentary
on it in two thousand and four. I have four
documentaries out. I've interviewed Meyer. Oh, I've been to Switzerland
twenty two times. I've gotten this chance to speak to them.
All these times. I've tried to trick them on questions.
It's the yebit possibly could be a hoax. I've been
an eyewitnessed three times to the craft, from the people
that he meets with four or five other sightings, and
the UFO in this case, it's singularly authentic.
Speaker 4: Through my forty six years of research.
Speaker 8: And the UFO part is probably the least important part.
The extraterrestrials in this case are fully human. They are
meeting with him since he's a five year old boy,
and right now just throw it in the evolution of it.
The information in this case fire exceeds in importance what
we see in the fantastic photos and films that nobody
else has of that quality. But they began warning him
as early as nineteen forty six about things that would
happen in our world, pertaining just about every country of Earth.
Political environmental, geopolitical scientific discoveries that he published up to
thirty years before NASA. I'm kind of shotguning it out
because this is not quote unquote a UFO case. I'm
not a apologist, and we're not conspiratorial. This is simply something
of such earth shaking importance that most people have not
ever heard about it. And those are reasons pretending to
the US government and various secret services that do their
best to try to discredit the case at all. Every
skeptical challenge that I've been able to find I've had.
I was interrogated by a top level American intelligence former
intelligence officer who.
Speaker 7: Was a skeptic.
Speaker 8: After eight months of three months with me, five months
his own research, came back and said, this is authentic.
I'll take on any skeptics in your behalf.
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 8: US astronauts have also authenticated it.
Speaker 3: So this is.
Speaker 8: Above the line in terms of, if you will, paranormal, conspiratory.
Speaker 7: Or anything like that.
Speaker 8: So I hope that that's a kind of crunched version
of what got me going.
Speaker 5: I understand that Trump has an interest in Area fifty
one and might have been briefed on a few things.
Do you think he's ever gonna open the little in
it or do you think he's been, or do you
think he wants to but has being told we can't
do that.
Speaker 7: You would want to know that.
Speaker 8: Basically, our country, going back to the First World War
nineteen fifteen, has known about craft from other worlds, the
area fifty one development. They'll tell him what they want
him to know. He'll reveal what he feels. It will
be nothing of great importance. Even now there are these
hearings and people are revealing things. It's all a dog
and pony show. It never goes anywhere. I know because
I discovered photos related to this Myer case that had
never been seen before. A government committee here said hey,
send us those photos. Were really interested. I send them
to the government committee and they censored them. Our government
is concealing there is no threat right now. There's no
threat from extraterrestrials other beings. A threat is from the
United States of America's military, Israel's military, and the machinations
of various governmental and secret military powers around the world.
We've passed the point of any return for some time.
We are now going to go to an extended period
of grief, and it would have been avoidable if people
had not tried to kill this man Myer twenty five
times and instead published the findings that were there. So
there's nothing of significance well ever from government committees which.
Speaker 5: I've been as fredictions are coming true hit now as
we spak.
Speaker 8: Right now, the harassment of various countries, including Iran by Trump.
This material is in prophecies and predictions from nineteen forty
six and forty seven. Nineteen forty six and seven, Trump
doing these things very clearly outlined, crazy megal and maniacal
president who will come to power after the new Milan
I mean spelled out. There are eruptions of volcanoes that
are going to be taking place within a short window,
also foretold nineteen forties of the I mean, there is
NASA discoveries about other things in the Solar System and
in the greater universe published before NASA. Verifiably we have
legal and scientific standard of proof not only a space
travel but of time travel. Anybody can take this material
in fifteen minutes defeat any legal or scientific challenge. This
is all coming in US. We will have two civil
wars in this country foretold in nineteen eighty one the
fall of the US dollar foretold in two thousand and six. Personally,
I put up a video back then from a meeting
I had with Meyer where you describe what's coming, the
cashless society, all this stuff that's unfolding, and the flood
of illegal migrants in Europe for the forties and unrepeatedly
saying a crazy woman in Germany would open the floodgates.
Speaker 5: We're definitely saying that within the negative effects of that.
What do you think the big plan is for that?
Why are they doing that? And I'm assuming this is
from the dark forces.
Speaker 8: Well, there are forces. There are a number of different
It's not necessarily you know, really like whoa it's really about.
There are various ant meet people, terrestrial people who have
groups and agendas for power and control. The WEFVEEU all
of these things, and some of them overlap, some of
them don't. It's for domination and control, and we will.
According to Meyer in nineteen fifty eight when he predicted
the worldwide use of computers interconnected through an Internet, that
the people will be bioshipped and it's coming started, and
they will be controlled to the inch everywhere by these
powerful forces. And going back to the fifty eight. Also
he foretold the flood of throughout Europe of radical Islam,
which is going to wreck Europe. And when the floodgates
were open there, they were opened here by the treasonous
last US administration. At the ten years ago we already
had seventeen hundred sleepers in this country. Can you imagine
with the millions of people that have been let in.
So this is and the things are done deliberately by
these powerful entities, political, financial, military, for control, because people
think there's something you can really control about life other
than learning how to live it and abide by the
real universal principles that guide everything that and that's the
core purpose of the mare case. It's known you.
Speaker 3: Ask a question to Michaels. Yes, Michael has so much
I could ask, and I do hope you'll come back
for a longer this discussion at some point, because there's
so much I could ask. But well, where to begin.
You mentioned you were on the SETI team, that is
the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Now, based on what you've
currently told us, there's a contradiction there because SETI, well,
I've know about it. They look at the Libelians and
lines as away, but they're right here on the Earth
with us, so they're looking they should look a bit
closer to home, don't I listen.
Speaker 8: I got to the first part of that that's a joke,
and I put it in my bio because I really
want people like you're the first people to do it
to mention it. I engaged with SETI, and I started
actually engaging with them about a dozen years ago. It's
a It's a tremendous hoax. They have been just funded
for two hundred million dollars to continue their futile, dead end,
never to be fulfilled search for extraterrestrial life. If extraterrestrials
want to be found by us, as they've found Billy
Meyer for eighty three years, don't we think they have
the kapat city to say here we are. No. This
is a This is a great money maker. And when
I started challenging online, Bill Diamond, the president of SEIDI, said, Michael,
you and I are on the same team. You know,
at least be fighting. So I said, okay, great, now
I'm a former member of your team because I'm not
an official member of SETI. It is such a roaring fraud,
and they we've sent them. I have a press release
out years ago. You know, we sent SETI all this information.
All they've done is try to attack it because they
would lose their funding. What would they or do you know?
Speaker 3: You know Carl Sagan when he was like when he
was very young, he was into UF folks. Then Jerry suddenly,
I think it was around nineteen sixty five, he suddenly
changed his mind and that's when he wrote Life and
Out of Space, which is the book the popular is SETI.
I think I was published sixty six. I cannot wonder
if someone had a word in his ears, stepped him
some money, or maybe have found something. Either he should
get some secrets he's keeping from his wife, that kind
of thing.
Speaker 8: You know, well Kurras then you know with certainly brooding Man,
maybe tons of contributions to things. I haven't read that book,
but this is so easy because they're right now. Even
though the people that know about the Mayer case are
relatively very small in numbers, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, whatever,
I know, apart from myself, I know other people that
could take on any scientist at SETI and mop the
floor with them, because it's a fraud, and I guarantee
you there are no and I've listen. I've taken on
scientists who won't respond. Now I've done interviews with them,
showed them. I have one guy coming a part of
the scenes in a video when suddenly I said, oh,
that's all very nice, thank you, Robin Hinson. What about
this evidence that I started showing him the Meyers stuff
and the guy starts literally twitching. These people, the scientists
have fallen into the same profiteering role. Now we have
a guy named Avi Low the Harbardy's writes books about extraterrestrials.
I just contacted another guy. They won't respond because they can't.
They don't have they have theories, and their theories are nonsensical,
they're anti scientific. But they get to write books about
them and make some money.
Speaker 7: Great.
Speaker 8: I do my word voluntarily. I'm glad if somebody wants
to buy some of Meyer's books or anything like that.
But I go here, I am what can I do
for you? Well, they don't want the help because they
do not want this information. They don't want the scientific information.
We have sixty examples Meyer published before NASA. I've got
forty four examples online and a test of information about
COVID and the vaccine. Meyer verifiably published before the CDC
and the WHO because he was warned about this disease
in the forties and where it really came it would
come from ven Dettle. This will come out of the
association of two powerful men. The ruler of China who
will emerge in his name will be Moutsee Dong and
a million American who had been powerful in office, and
his name was you were, guys, may or may not
know it, Richard Nixon public you know, a president kicked
out as well. They started with bio engineering of this disease.
It wasn't Bill Gates whatever. Bill Gates and the crazy
people are doing those vaccines and all separate thing. And
there'll be more of that. Because Meyer was already in
the fort they were describing the effects to women with
stillborns and all in the.
Speaker 7: Of what will be coming with this disease.
Speaker 5: They're already pushing for new viruses in the news today,
even today, I've seen it, this brand new virus out
of nowhere. Oh what a coincidence. You know, immediately after COVID.
Speaker 3: You'd see the National Cancer Institute is Nixon when he
set out the four Definct in nineteen seventy one, he
doubled the budget of the Bier Warfare subject it was,
it was under the guise of the National Cancer Institute.
Speaker 8: You have so many people in powerful positions. You know,
we are just the people of the world. But if
we learn how to live in harmony with the way
life is really set up, and there's no gods floating
around up there, it's a much bigger picture. And when
we start to under we have to It's not a
belief system, it's here's a study, figure it out. This
is how the mind works, This is how consciousness works,
this is how thinking works. This is how you can
test everything in your own life. It's a challenge because
everything we've been taught all along by the powers that be.
There's a lot of very suspect information and there are
there is bioengineering of very harmful things. Coming may have
spoke about it in twenty seventeen. There will be attempts
at exterminations of all groups. So it isn't all that
it's you know, like a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 7: There is that that exists.
Speaker 6: There was a mention of something called the red meteor
that I was reading about that. I think scheduled scheduled
specsly coming between twenty twenty nine to twenty thirty six.
And literally today on sky News I saw a report
about this meteor or an asteroid I think it is.
That they said that a one in sixty four chants
of it hitting us, and they said that is kind
of an extinction level kind of well pretty much close
to it, I'll imagine, but they said that they I
think it's going to come in twenty twenty eight again
twenty thirty two, twenty.
Speaker 7: Or twenty twenty nine for a partise, was this about
a parth list that you saw?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think it was probably the same
thing you've spoken about, but they called it something else.
But it was literally something that came up on sky
News to asteroid, Yeah, and why is the pop chances
of it hit in the Earth and there, and this
guy who was an astronomer was talking about it to
Sky News about the fact that they they've got to
really start planning now how they're going to deal with
this thing where they're going to knock it off course
or something like that they can't find nukes at it
or something, you know, I've said, I've got.
Speaker 3: The details here twenty twenty four white R four. Yeah,
it has a one in fifty three chance of impacting
on the twenty second December twenty thirty two. And NASA
and Elon Musk has said, you know, they've got to
send her a rocket up there or something to to
just the dart mission to deflect it. But they won't
know in twenty twenty eight. They won't know because that's
when it disappears behind the sun, and they won't to
see it till until just beforehand.
Speaker 8: I was just going to take in nineteen eighty one
is when Billy Mayo fruit probably information on Apophesy had
a couple of contexts I illustrated and put in a
comic book online so people could read it. It's coming
to a location not far from you, between the North
Sea and the Black Sea. This thing is going to
hit if it's not. And they told him, they said,
don't try and blow it up with nukes.
Speaker 7: You deflect it.
Speaker 8: By detonating a nuclear charge at an appropriate proximity that
sends a shock wave and nudges it. And so NASA said,
when we started publishing this stuff, my gosh, I mean,
as soon as we found NASA was now that NASA
discovered it in twenty you no, twenty and four, twenty
three years after Meyer started publishing it. This is about
our future survival. That's why this may be the first
time you guys ever heard about it and your audience,
and you know, if you want to do a real
presentation some point, help people out let him dec for themselves.
And I've got a blog, well probably twenty five hundred
articles by now about all this stuff, just endless free information.
Speaker 6: How can that come to your blog?
Speaker 7: Michael?
Speaker 3: What's the website? Dress?
Speaker 8: It's they fly blog dot com. They've blow dot com
and we answer questions. There's you know, if possible, it's
just it's a field day. You go and you start
to find out what this man has already foretold. It's
occurred in what's coming. There were friends that you're going to.
There's five earthquake volcanos rather in Italy they're gonna blow completely.
That weren't They were dormant in forty eight when they've
predicted this, and I started to research to find out
if it could be so, because they said in forty eight,
preceding these major eruptions Central Italy twenty sixteen, there will
be earthquakes in Central.
Speaker 7: Italy would be very powerful.
Speaker 8: This will be the signal set this stuff will start
to I looked it up. It said you can find
online twenty sixteenth Central Italy the strongest earthquakes on record
in Italy. How did they know that in nineteen forty eight?
How did they know that the WTC in America would
be destroyed when they published it in nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 5: Do you think Verna von Brown had access to this information?
Because he on his deathbed he basically talked about first
there'll be states are there to be afraid of, and
then they'll push kind of like terrorists, and then they'll
push an asteroid, and then after that the final car
would be the alien invasion or the fake alien invasion.
Do you think there's any correlation with this?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 8: Vernervon Brown, by the way, was involved in the fake
Apollo moon landing. Yeah, and Meyer foretold that in nineteen
fifty eight, along with the actual one that would be
legit that would follow them. So Erna von Brown there
was a woman named Carol Rozen in America RS and
she was worked with him, and he told her about
that stuff. Billy Meyer, we put up a blog about
the fake alien. I mean, we've got all this information
that's preceded anybody's information. But because it's real, so twenty
five attempts.
Speaker 9: Of Meyer's life in forty fifty years, nobody should get
these other whistleblowers because it served the agenda to get
people chasing their tails.
Speaker 8: Who uh, aliens non humans. Meanwhile, he meets with human
beings like us since he's a five year old boy,
and they basically scratched their heads to see human beings
are earth hopelessly stupid.
Speaker 5: I met any of the grays or the reptilians or
anything like that, or just the human.
Speaker 8: The grays are actually the androids, androids such as the
ones that were found during the actual Roswell crash that
actually happened, or about seven or eight other crashes. They
were androids. They're not humans. And so the evil alien
agenda was started really by our government in the forties,
by President Roosevelt here because when they started to find
out that there were other beings in the universe, they
did not want the people of Earth to find out
that a other beings existed. B they're not off to
get us. See that if they were our governments could
do nothing about it. That's why all the funy hearings
that continue to this date, the evil alien threat seventy years.
What are these people incompetent? They can get to us
from other space, but in seventy years they're just threatening us.
They don't take over, they don't kill.
Speaker 5: Us, don't you think do you think it's a lot
more I mean, this is my personal view. Do you
think it's a lot more insiduous with that? So we
talk about Illuminati, secret society, is behavior growth, satanic cults.
Even if we take the position, okay, these beings might
not be here to overtly take over if we've got
people at higher levels calling in like dark entities, wouldn't
it be fair to say that maybe dark entities do
actually turn up and start causing struggle.
Speaker 8: Here's the way it's kind of looked at in this material.
Throughout the universe there's light, and directly it's good and
dead on planets in space. This is a vast universe
teeming not in our region, but teeming with life of
all sorts of different forms, and powerful beings in the
past have taken over here have set up things. As
a matter of fact, the last ones to do that
were sent off planet in about nineteen seventy eight. There
were humans. They were based under the Great pyramidd Giser,
which actually seventy two thousand plus years of a beach.
Speaker 7: But we mystify things.
Speaker 8: I understand it because we don't want to just go
wait a minute, there's good and bad people. There are
groups who have these agendas, but they're not immune from
the laws of cause and the fact they don't have
everything going smoothly. The Illuminat per Se is now a
very impotent bunch of people. There are more powerful people
Black Rock in America or they of.
Speaker 3: These client lists.
Speaker 7: You got it. These are the people.
Speaker 8: They're not flawless, they make mistakes, and they're smaller in number,
of course than the rest of the population. But because
we give them all this mystical magical press, people then
retract and feel they're powerless. And if people, as Meyers
said on this material, as play are and people extra trisicus,
if the people with Earth would learn how to think
and would study.
Speaker 3: The continued this is it.
Speaker 5: We can defeat this. It's not it's not indefeatable. It's
just people need to wake up.
Speaker 8: You've just go too far and now there's a lot
of chaos coming. The k is going to have a
lot of trouble. The House of Windsor will be no
more at a certain point. This was published by Meyer
long ago. They described problems within the relationships and marriages,
so things that have happened since then. They can see
the stuff because they're time travelers, and they don't. They
never say we think this or we theorize. There's no theories.
They do say we don't know. When they don't know,
they said we don't know about it, that we will,
we won't look into it. There are things we know
we can't speak about yet. There are things we could do,
but we can't because the information would lead to technologies
that you're insane, governments and secret services would use to
create death bringing weapons and wouldn't help your humankind. They
have looked in, you know, through all these wars that
we have some of the people that Billy, because Billy
will meet with them, they will go. They've they looked
into the Ukraine's things starting long ago. These readings think
some of the extraterrestrials have to go back to their
world for their version of therapy. Everything you see the
way people on this world brutalized.
Speaker 5: Which is nuts. It's mental, right.
Speaker 6: I think we better wrap this up now, everybody. But
it's been I mean, we've taken more of your time
than you promise, but we were grateful for it. But
thank you so much, Michael joined my pleasure.
Speaker 8: Anytime sit it up in advance, we can do a
multimedia thing and you can start to see the whole
of your He's like god, gun, Thanks guys.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks very much.
Speaker 6: Good day to you, Bye bye, bye bye. Well, welcome
back to part two of the Paranormal Peep Show. So
there we were taking a chat with Michael Horn, who
is the UFO writer, author, filmmaker, and I suppose you
could say representative of Billy Myers, the contact tea for
the nineteen seventies. I think he's now in his eighties
actually this chap and he's from the Swiss Mountains and
he was having all these contacts from the age of five,
as Michael said. And so Preston, you've come across Michael
Holmes's work before and that also of the contact to
Billy Myers.
Speaker 3: What's your opinion of all that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've been following the Billy Meyer case since
it first started, giving a lot of media attention. Arry
Kinder wrote a book about his case, which is really
what popularized it here in the United States. Of course,
Wendell Stevens, Brittan Lee Elders, Randolph Winters. There's quite a
few people like Michael Horne who have taken a very
very close look at this case. And I've got his books,
his contact notes. Billy Meyer. It is an interesting case.
There's an enormous amount of evidence to support it, So
I have to think that this he's a genuine contact
d just given on the fact that there are so
many outside witnesses to what he's seen. Not just one
or two or ten or twenty, there's fifty or one
hundred who've been in his presence when you post have
shown up. And he's got some really outstanding landing trace evidence.
He did apparently get a piece of metal which he
obtained from the ETS and tent to Marcel Vogel, a
scientist who studied it, found all kinds of unusual properties
to it, got sound recording evidence, excellent photographs, of course,
including moving films. You which are really quite impressive. But yeah,
I do think he's a genuine contactee to say that
there aren't problems with the case. Yeah, well, no, you
see with the case, Yeah, I mean, initially it's very
very impressive, but some of the photographs are clearly not legitimate.
They absolutely look like fates, which is unfortunate because there's
so many really good photographs that are very hard to
BoNT And I don't think I've ever been at Dubut,
but there's some where he claimed he actually got a
photograph of Semyazi turned out a game show host. That's so.
These are just a few of the a number of
problems rounding this case. And his photographs of from out
taken from outer space apparently, I'm not sure they add
up either. Some of the claims made by the ETS
are a little bit hard to believe as well. H
As far as Michael Horne, I have to give credit
to anyone who enters this field and agrees to study
it and put their own reputation on the line and
stand behind.
Speaker 5: When this.
Speaker 6: Yes so so, I mean that Ben we we talked about.
Wendell Stevens was one of the people that first went
into the case. Of the Meyer and he sort of
gave it the thumbs up back in the seventies, didn't
here he went in with the team and an issue
to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a tricky situation because I've looked into
this briefly. I'm I'm not a major expert on it,
but it's pretty clear there is something to it. But
as President said, there's so much that it's fabricated. And
this is, of course, this is kind of the devil's
bargain because this happens all over the world in research
and to esoteric paranormal issues, is that something real will happen,
but it'll be sexed up with extra evidence. And indeed
a friend of mine, actually, Ross Hensworth, actually was in
this situation himself because he used to do something called
Ghost Detectives, which was a program he presented a program
on Channel four which is quite a big mainstream program actually,
and it had Chris French on it as the skeptic
and this lady called Mia who's the medium, and they
sort of investigated holding houses.
Speaker 5: He also good he.
Speaker 3: Did he was did something on BBC two called it
was it was it was called a Halloween Halloween at
the Tower I think it was called It's kind of
a real life ghost Watch at the Tower of London
on Halloween night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, was that was that with the guy from the
Avengers who hosted it.
Speaker 3: Ross hosted it, but there was other people involved. It
was like quite long, it's over three hours. It's like
a vigil a life like broadcast. But I mean he
was he was actually offered a new show on Chan five,
I believe, and when he was at the program meeting
presenting his plan, they were very positive. They were going
to waffer in our budget and a big team. It
was going to be quite a good show. But then
they said, Ross, we are going to have to deliver,
and he said, what do you mean. He said, you
have to find phenomena and if you don't, if you
can't find real for not we basically, if if you
can't find any real phenomena, we're going to have to
fake some stuff, which is long suspected to be a
problem with most haunted although I know Ivetfielding denies this,
but now this of course have in real life, and
I mean people put under pressure to create a phenomenon,
but when they've encounter phenomen they put under pressure to
make it believable, and they may be tempted into adding
a few fabricated, contrived pieces of evidence to back it up.
Of course it doesn't back it up, because all that
happens is that this then is be picked up by
the skeptics and used to discredit the entire case. And
I think this is maybe where depressed And I don't
know if you agree, but this is I think where
Billy Meyer has fallen a foul and many other people
have shared his fate.
Speaker 4: I certainly wonder about it, and I would always advise
you're having experiences, don't take evidence, dunt. Why would you
absolutely destroy your whole case? But it's really unfortunate. Yeah,
I mean, there are absolutely problems with that case. He's
got quite a few detract I know. One of the
things that really puzzles me about the cases that he
claims or the ETS basically told him that he's the
only one who's having contact, and we know that that's
not bare. I mean, you know, people all over the
world are having contact, and that's the idea that I
just don't holds water. But I absolutely do think he's
a genuine contact ee. It's really hard to ignore huge
volumes of evidence that he has. But so it's it's
one of the really more difficult cases to investigate, I
think because of this problem with it. There's here's an
example kind of a tangent or gentlemen Belgium, because you
have both photographs and it got a lot of attentions
to try and do a photograph with right lights, and
he said, no, that's actually faked. Well he recently came
out and said no, it's actually real. But I was
paid to say it was faked. Oh what are we
just supposed to do with that? Sure, I mean it's
become but useful evidence, but it's kind of where the
bully mark cases out because oh, nay, be perfectly legit,
and I think probably is the fact that it's been
polluted to a degree makes it very difficult to put
forth as a serious case.
Speaker 10: Even atually underminds here, doesn't he I've dropped in a
photo in chat I found an alleged billy by a
time travel photo a pterodactyl dropping a fish, and then
next to it there's something from nineteen sixty by a
check artist that's basically the same thing.
Speaker 5: So make your own minds up on that face.
Speaker 3: This is Unfortunately, Yeah, this is a good example. And unfortunately,
I mean whenever people bring time travel into the situation,
I always get suspicious because time travel is actually not
what it really appears to be in science fiction. Example there,
I mean some science fiction actually deals with like causality, paradoxes,
and parallel universes, such as the It's a good film
actually Back to the Future Robertson Mechi's film from the eighties,
where a young man goes back into the He goes
back to where his parents were children, and he almost
disappears because his parents can't get back together. But when
he goes back to the future, hence the title, he
doesn't go back to his to the world he left.
He goes back to a completely different world, one in
which his father is now a successful author, when previously
he was failed because he was a more confident man.
Because Marty, the character of the main characters, he encourages
his father to take on the school bully, which makes
him a strong and more confident man, so he becomes
more successful. And this is the problem with time travel.
You can't actually go back in time literally because you're
going to something that doesn't exist. And if you could
get hypothetic. If you could go there, you would change
everything else that comes after it, so you therefore would
not really exist yourself. That's the that's the paradox butterfly effect. Yeah,
it's it's wouldn't actually it wouldn't actually work. So when
people said people, I think they maybe people confuse certain
aspects of the UFO and contact phenomenon with with time travel, because.
Speaker 6: Aliens do things with time though, don't they They kind
of Yeah, they also lie.
Speaker 3: I mean, they are capable of doing things like weird
things with like you know, missing time and things like that.
They take you and they bring you back and it's
like you you think, like blind me, where did the
last four hours go? Things like that. But they also lie,
I mean aliens as Carla Turner and actually found not
and what's her name? God to Karla she she found
out that she how they are kind of tricksters. They
make things up and they I.
Speaker 5: Mean an example of that, ben is is before kind
of space technology and probes and things, the Aliens used
to start away from Mars and we from the you know,
so then we said probes there and then suddenly, oh no,
we're not from Mars. For this way from out out
for a century and Ulion Belt, and if we managed
to get probes out there, they'll say, oh, we're not
from there, We're from some other character. So you're right,
why do you think they do that.
Speaker 3: Sexually messing with our heads in some way? At least
some of them are for some reason, and I'm not
just didn't count all.
Speaker 4: So I think there's also the problem that there's a
lot of disinformation in this field, and that a number
of these cases aren't true. People are so called experiencers,
aren't experiences. Some researchers aren't actual researchers. They're inserting completely
false information, pinting a narrative about etis but simply not true.
I had to really step back and rely on my
cases that I personally investigated to get an accurate view,
because the media was not portraying this at all correctly.
I do think ets can do things with time. They
pull people out of the time stream. They might have
an experience that's two three hours long, even a couple
of days or longer, come back only minutes have passed.
There's something going on there that they can do with
time that we don't fully understand, and don't think that
there's any good evidence that they're us from the future,
which has been asserted by a number of contact ees.
I'll put that in quotes again, I think we really
do have to take a good hard look at the
fact that this is a subject that is being covered
up brutally, viciously with an enormous amount of time, money,
and effort the parts of people who don't want us
to know the truth and are steering a fear and
narrative on this subject. So I think humans are the
ones who are much more guilty of lying, deception, and
mass murderer and all the horrible things that we sort
of place onto the ets, which I think is more
us placing our own cultural values and something we don't
understand or fear, rather than what's actually happening here.
Speaker 3: What do you what do you say that some some
contentings for disinformation? Is so they are putting out false
information about the UFO or eighty phenomenon into the into
the public arena for for a purpose. Is that what
you're saying.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent It might be unintentional, It might be
just the fact that they're I'm sort of viewing through
the lens of their own belief system or pushing an agenda.
Now will name you know David Jacobs as because he
says flat out he does not think contact is good
for people. I've talked to people who were in his book.
He said, my story was not accurately portrayed. I did
not fear it. It was actually a benevolent experience for me.
I'm not happy how he wrote about it. Well, this
is not something I don't think he's doing intentionally, but
it's just the way. You know, it's right.
Speaker 5: It's not the same with the Travis Wohton case, when
you know it was portrayed as these evil, demonic aliens
but actually wasn't quite.
Speaker 3: A fast film farm in the scar. Yeah, if you
read the book, Yeah.
Speaker 4: He initially was quite frightened and interpreted as a negative experience,
but decided no, he thinks they probably saved his life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it's interesting.
Speaker 4: That is a pattern I see with many contact these
Initially we'll interpret their experiences quite negatively, with a lot
of fear, dealing with a lot of trauma, and then
keep having your cars and realize, okay, they're not here
to hurt me. They have healed me. I've had a
spiritual awakening as a result of this, learned a lot
of things. Most people, I'm gonna say eighty five of
the people I've interviewed fit that pattern. It's initially scary,
but ultimately they wouldn't trade it for anything. We're very
glad to have had his experiences interesting.
Speaker 5: So I first would what would you say the percentages
of positive experiences, negative that turned into positive or just negative?
How would you spec that down enough?
Speaker 4: I would say there's maybe one in twenty people I've
interviewed be like when they wish this never happened to them,
and asked them, well, why do you think you know? Why?
What is this negative for you? And almost always it's
because of the fear surrounding their encounters and the feeling
of lack of control. It's a guy from England called Darry,
that's not his real name. Does he really wished it
never happened to him? But he does admit he's gotten
wonderful things out of it. He's a very proficient ast
all Traveler's an enormous amount of obease out of Boud.
The experiences a lot of psychic experiences, But just as
it scares the daylight thought of him each time these
guys show up. This is usually what causes people to
interpret it as a negative experience. I've only remember the
parts they have missing time. The only thing they remember
is being on that table and fighting for their lives.
Unlikely they've had much more extensive experience that they're not
fully recalling. They don't want to afraid. That's people who
I never hear people describing what are called outright torture
or sadistic behavior. I just don't get these kinds of cases,
and I really question them that are out there because
I think a good number of them are what we
would call my lads military abductions, not eches baked obductions.
Speaker 3: On the subject of the Fire in the Skying movie,
and if you read the book or you watch the
more recent documentary called Travis, you get the real story
based on Travis's own testimony. The Fire and the Sky
movies is accurate apart from the actual contacts experience, because
if you the contentt I mean, this was totally against
what Travis said. But I don't think there's anything necessarily
inferias in terms of this film. But they needed to
turn into a kind of a horror movie and if
you see the abduction sequence of that film, it is
indeed a horror movie. It's terrifying, which, of course, yeah,
which is not what actually happened the Travis and indeed
the documentary said so. And in this in that situation,
I think it was more to do with the producers,
the studio's desire to produce a movie with a certain
atmosphere for the for the audience. But I mean in
terms of the film that Independence Day, which is a
more recent film by Roland Emmerick's it's an appalling movie.
It's really bad, but it's it's worth watching just to
spot the kind of messages that's been given out. And
there's a Count's Randy Quaide's character who very bravely sacrifices
himself at the end of this very implausible attack on
the alien mothership in his plane. He's a he's a contact,
he has had contact with the aliens, and as a
result of this, it's damaged him so much. He's become
an alcoholic, he's lost his job.
Speaker 5: And urn.
Speaker 3: He and his friends tease him about it, and of course,
along along with many many other messages in that movie,
I can't I cannot wonder if it is attending. It
is an attempt to just takes back to what we
said before about the possibility that the government might actually
use the the threat from extraterrestrials even if it's whether
it's real or not, or they will fabricate evidence that
says they're bad. We we lie to you, but we
wanted to protect you. They're bad alias out there. We
need to come together as a one world government just
for a little while, just so we can solve this problem.
And of course, like the contacts will be a part
of that. Just a flatten the curve.
Speaker 4: A flare in the sky was actually a really good movie,
except for that on board segment which set back you
up for research decades. Again, tell you how many people
came up to what happens like, No, no, I know,
Tracy Tourmae fought hard keep it accurate. As you know,
we're funny in the movie ultimately, but no, now I
from what I understand, they're redoing the Betty and Barney
Hill story. She was also a pretty good movie, very
low budget but but well done.
Speaker 3: Oh that was the the UFO instance that was very
that was good. The one with James Old Jones is Barney.
That was a good one. I don't know. I don't
know what the new one's going to be like. I
think it's going to be very very political from what
I from what I gather, and it's going to stress
the racism.
Speaker 4: With Kathleen Martin, who is really the go to person.
She's the niece of Betty Hill. They have that contacted
her whatsoever. So I'm not hopeful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she she actually put a statement out saying
she's not she's not happy with the way that this
She's she's been jueious about what's gonna happen with this
new movie. I mean, I'll watch it, but I'm I'm
not hopeful for I think it's gonna be It was.
Speaker 4: Really that one movie out there that's portrayed this fully accurately.
The TV minute series based on Bud Hopkins Bok Intruders
was fairly well done, a little fear based, but argely accurate.
I liked Wavelength. It's the sleeper of a movie. See
also very hard to find but worth watching.
Speaker 3: Have you Shood in the Manhattan Abduction? I know I
know Linda the lady, she's very unhappy with how she
was portrayed and it's a documentary in which she appears.
But now rightly so, there was filmore in a kitchen
in a dressing gown, like like she's some sort of
old She's just this old sort of bity living alone.
She actually has a husband and she has a big family.
And but they was indeed they have interviewed in the program,
but they always portray her in a particular They tried
to put Fitture into a stereotype, which is quite insulting,
I think, whereas the skeptical ladies always portrayed like you
sitting at a desk in an offish, nicely dressed and
things like that. Yeah, I wasn't Debarisarania.
Speaker 4: I had a few email interactions with her where she
attacked my research baselessly actually because no, I mean, I
don't want to get into name calling he or anything.
But no, that was not an accurate portrayal of the man.
Happened production so to speak. On So I don't blame
under Politano one bit, because yeah, this was very biased.
Speaker 3: About Peter Robins is not happy with it because he
was he was interviewed considerably in not but I suspect
he's not going to he's not going to like it.
Speaker 4: Well, here's an opportunity for filmmakers out there. Yeah, it
just doesn't an accurate way.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope. I'm hoping in this new this
new kind of post twenty seventeen, new ufology era, we
might actually get accurate fictionalizations which we've never had before.
Speaker 6: Getting back to the Michael Horn intew that we were
talking about predictions, and one of the things that the
aliens said to Billy Meyer was the fact that there's
going to be changes on the Earth, a very big
meat or something called comet. I can't remember what he
said now striking the Earth, and I said, oh, that's
just come up. Actually someone's discovered this meteorite. Then you've
got some information on.
Speaker 3: That, haven't you. Yes, something As you know, I have
my own show similar to the Parallel or Peep show,
is called the Hapanmo Show, and I have a space
weather slot every week where I cover things like this.
And indeed, there's been a huge amount of news about
something called twenty twenty four y R four. Now, this
is an astronaut. This is an asteroid. It's an Apollo
type asteroid, which means it crosses the Earth's orbit quite regularly.
It's in a similar orbit to the Earth, and it
was discovered last year, and there is a small chance
that it will impact the Earth on the twenty second
of December twenty thirty two, which is only eight years away.
It's it's quite it's something we need to be concerned
about now. There's been a lot of I think overhyped
and news stories about this, describing it as an end
of the world scenario. It's not. This subject is between
one hundred and thirteen and three hundred feet three hundred
and thirty feet in diameter. It's if it impacts, it
will not destroy the world. However, in the in the
local area in which it impacts, it could have a
devastating effect because it would explode. If it hits the
it will explode in the upper atmosphere and break apart
with enormous force in the upper atmosphere. If it does impact,
this will release an explosion roughly eight to twelve megatons,
which is much bigger than most nuclear weapons. And in
the it's likely they say it's likely to impact. There's
a in somewhere around the equator of the Earth, from
an area from basically the Atlantic Ocean across Asia. Now,
if it's impacts over the Lantic Ocean or say North Africa,
the Sahara Desert, these are run in habited areas, it
probably will not do. You probably won't harm anyone. However,
this also includes the plains of India if it impacts there.
It's good to impact on one of the most densely
populated areas of the world. As supposing it explodes above
Delhi or Calcutta or Benaris or someone like that, you
could see a horrific disaster. Now it's gonna what's gonna
happen is it's gonna We won't know for certain until
twenty twenty eight, because it does when it comes round
to its next orbit with the next encounter of the Earth.
Then we'll have a more we'll have a closer idea
about where it's going to been. What NASA are planning
to do is they're planning to use what they call
the Dark Mission. You may have seen it tested a
couple of years ago. They actually did, and it's a
way of knocking an asteroids slightly. Of course they don't
have to do They don't have to knock it up
by much, just like a fraction of a second, a
de presecond of the arc, and it will miss the
Earth if they know, if they know what's going to impact.
So we won't know for a few years whether this
is going to be an actually impacting asteroid or whether
it will just pass very close. If it is going
to be impacting, they're always and knocking, of course, but
at the moment we're not sure. But I mean, this
is a perennial danger which is part of living in
this solar system. These things do inpact. In fact, small
asteroids impact all the time.
Speaker 6: Now it reminds me of the Tunguska event of nineteen
oh eight in central Siberia, where this great big explosion
ripped through the area, unfortunately possibly only killing about three
people out the masses it could have killed, and had
it struck four hours later, it wouldate over Central Europe,
annihilate in London and Western Europe possibly now Billy Miners
contacts said that rather than it being a meteorite or
an asteroid or a comet, which the general hypothesis that's
what it was exploding five miles above the surface of
the Earth. They he says, in that particular instance, it
was a spaceship launching often the Earth, and it had
to self detonate because it was in trouble or something,
and obliterate itself with a nuclear explosion. I'm a bit
dubious about that explanation given by the Billy Meyer and
space people.
Speaker 3: To be honest, have you heard of that one person?
Speaker 4: And I'm lirtally not an expert in the Takunska incident.
I do find it fascinating, and it's a lot of
contact cases do involve predictions, sure, fascinating. It's my understanding
that some of Billy Meyer's predictions have come true havn't,
but it's not that unusual. I mean, I interviewed a
gentleman who is a very good witness, a Navy medic.
We had an encounter with Prying Maths Tite, who gave
a long list of predictions, a number of which did
come true, and almost exclusively involved what we would called
disasters of some kind. They told him that since we
started exploding new clear weapons created what they called a
countdown clark, all these hurricanes and landslides and earthquakes and
bad weather phenomena. If you'm a real problem in our future,
which is certainly something we've seen. I've talked to a
lot of contactors who've gone in this sort of message,
usually the messages and warnings as opposed to hard predictions,
but it's certainly a theme that's very prominent contact tea cases.
Speaker 3: Here it all the time, don't we that They said,
even with the little you've covered the depression. You said,
you've covered school playground encounters. Uh, the aerial school in
rural the kids said, they said that we've got to
be good to the environment, otherwise we're going to damage
the earth. And now it's interesting when it comes to
the Tunguska incident. There's a book actually called The Fire
Came By and I can't remember the author's name, which
addresses this and the fact that I mean, I'm not
like new Neil, I'm not completely sold on this idea.
But fragments of this has never been discovered. There was
a huge explosion they estimated up to sixteen mega tons
sixteen to thirty mega tons above Siberia in that year,
and there's the unfortunately studied didn't begin until many years
later because this happened just after the nineteen oh five revolution,
which was a massive upheaval in Russia for sin doctor Jivago,
you'll know all about that. Then in nineteen seventeen, this
is followed by the Bolshevik Revolution which created the Soviet Union,
and so literally it was a few years after that
the first expedition actually went there, led by a guy
called Leonid Kulik, and Kolick himself actually mentioned when he
got down and it's an extremely difficult place to get
to even today, it's difficult to get to in those days,
like you have to trek through your to trek through
this swamp, through this forest. It's like really really difficult
get to. He said that he believed that something would
have impacted and left an impact create or at least
there will be fragments to the landed like you saw
with Shellybinsk another rush in case more recent there were fragments. Now,
no fragments of the Tunguska object developed being discovered. Disappoint
Now this could be because I said, it's difficulty, the
logistic and practical difficulty of obtaining the study of obtaining
these specimens, or it could be that it was something
else and not an asteroid.
Speaker 4: Perhaps power it up if but I did find that
that would affect oh, the way you believe this phenomena
to be.
Speaker 11: Are they going to tell us that there was other
whippositions featuring future cosmonauts that were very keen to go
out with them, And they'd read verious science fiction books
talking about space people, and so that fired up.
Speaker 6: Their enthusiasm because they thought that maybe someone had a
theory in one of the science fiction novels that the
Tunguska event was a spacecraft or something. So there was
actually expeditions that went out there after Kulik in the
nine in sixties and they got to perimeter and one
guy found metal fragments and he was convinced it was
part of the spaceship, but as only later on they
found it as part of an old tractor or something.
Speaker 3: So we've got to be careful of what claims do
make it. This isotopic ratio, that's how they can tell.
When doctor Irena Scott talked about this about they can
tell from a material where it comes from Earth or
not by its isotopic ratio. Yeah, but I mean what
had was there was there was a major UFO incident
at the time just before the explosion, and it was
reported in several newspapers actually in the area. Even though
it was a remote area, there were several settlements, small villages,
small towns across Siberia. Rasputen grew up, grew up in
one of these communities. It's it's very it's a very
very strange culture. But they reported seeing an object change
direction of a glowing object that was heading north towards
the Tungdusk area and it had changed direction. Now a
meteor wouldn't do that, and if it was, if it
was impacting.
Speaker 6: There was also talking to sort of et predictions. There
was a case of I think this is in northern
Italy and the Dolomite Mountains, and I can't remember I
saw it on President's Channel or another channel, but I
covered it in my falsh Anyway, this guy's it's actually
a former aircraft engineer, but he was drying. I think
this is in the sixties. He was driving through the
Dolomite Mountains on this road that he knew.
Speaker 7: Very very well.
Speaker 6: It was a thick fog and he's heading to a
hotel to stay where his aunt ran a hotel in
the area, and he's going to stay there the night.
But either he broke down or the fog was too
thick to carry on. I'm not quite sure which, but
basically he stopped there and was going to sleep overnight
in his car, but he noticed this light glowing down
the bank, so he went to investigat and as he
got there, he found this flying saucer, and on the
outside of it was again a creature, a robot, a
fore armed robot with two legs or three legs, appearing
to do do something to the outside of the craft.
I twiddle it, or rotate it, or do something to it.
And there was two people in the domed cockpit, and
one of them came down like a ladder or a
beam or something and spoke to me. He had a
sort of spacesuit on or something like that, but he
was talking to him. And one of the interesting things
he did say was that on his planet where he
came from, is that they didn't do any work. They
had no kind of work like we would have here,
but meal tasks were done by ape like creatures. And
I thought that was interesting, as I was talking about
Bigfoot earlier on, and I wonder if they could be
like a version of Bigfoot on this particular planet. And
then later on he said this alien that there'll be
shifts in the magnetic poles of the Earth, and at
some point after that, there'll be a great rift that
opens up between I can't remember where, a split all
the way across Europe where the Earth will open up
as and most of that will disappear into the sea
or something like that, which I thought was interesting. And
this guy actually wanted to go with the aliens. He says,
please take me with you, and they said no, no,
we can't do that.
Speaker 3: Walter, is he that's the guy that's it? Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, can you explaine it more about the prediction at
the end about the earth cataclysmic prediction.
Speaker 3: I can't remember I forgot that right or not.
Speaker 4: I think they said that the Earth. I'm trying to
remember it as well, but I think what they told
him was that the Earth will actually tilt on its
access before called straight floods and and up being a
largely existential event for humanity, but rckets will survive. It's
an interesting prediction because that does come up in a
number of cases. Yeah, he had a nice conversation with
these guys which was really fascinating. I remember asking him
about God. Oh yeah, a god, and they said, well,
you everything around us that is God. Yet that was
an interesting way of looking at it. That many people
get a lot of communication that is that extensive. But
it was an interesting case and had landing traces as well.
So all right on his own anecdotal testimony.
Speaker 5: Then, were you high elms for the the Simon Parks talk,
which one the last one back in July? I think
it was Jane July.
Speaker 3: No, I was actually un for surely. I went to
and I had to go to another event that weekend,
which I'd already booked, but it's very sad that those
two events clashed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically I'm going back to kind of like
the Strange metals and the alien metals. I actually won
a paper clip. So this paper clip is made out
of night and All and Night and All is a
new kind of the military have been working on it.
It's a metal where you can bend it into any
shape like this, and if if I had a bowl
of hot water, you could put it in and it
will spring back to exactly the shape that it was originally.
Roswell metal to me, this is why it was an
assignment Parks talk. So he was talking about. He was
talking about alien technology that has been picked up by
humans and used by humans, so things like fiber optics, lasers,
things like that. And then he brought up this night
and oll, which is this new metal that the military
have been using. Is that the reason the military interested
it's self healing properties. So for instance, if a tank
gets hit or like a bullet goes into metal that
can kind of self heal kind of thing. So anyway,
I answered a question. I forgot what the question was,
but I won this little paper clips may not look
very much.
Speaker 3: But alien stationary.
Speaker 5: But if I had a bowl of hot water, I've
probably ever got time at the moment, I could drop
that in and it will spring back to shape. And
what I'll do is I will drop this into chat.
The other one that's interested going to I think it's
Reddit and search for this paper clip is made out
of night and ol and can be programmed to a
certain shape. When it has been deformed, it can go
back to its program shaped by heating up the metal.
And the video shows you how it's done. Very interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, do try it yourself and let us know what
was now. As for the what I didn't hear, Simon Thorp.
What he's describes very much the content of Colonel Philip
Corso's The Day After Oswell, which unfortunately didn't make a
lot of sense to me. For example, when it comes
to fiber octic and the lasers, we know how that
there's a like a pa petrail of inventors and people
like that who've actually and developers and people and that
who have actually created these things. That being said, when
it comes to more generally, when it comes to you
a secret science done on the remains of craft and bodies, yes,
I'm sure there were some things that do come from that.
Maybe this Night and Old does I know that? To
Anthi Brigalia got managed to get to a Freedom of
Information Act request from Susan Goff of four people, which
was very heavily redacted. Only thirteen of the one hundred
and forty odd pages of this were published, but they
do mention this material, and again it seems to be
popped up out of nowhere. Maybe it was. Maybe it
actually was that very very thing. So maybe some things
have some of that secret science has actually been seeded
into the industrial world and has been allowed to enter
public use. I don't completely write the whole thing off.
Speaker 5: I'm going to do. You guys keep chatting and they're
live it.
Speaker 3: Please do, I'm going to hit it. You've got an exclusive.
Speaker 6: Whole black Budget has gone into making a paper clip
for us to use.
Speaker 3: That's the MAINI but you've really got an exclusive. Yah,
Let's see if it works.
Speaker 6: So, talking of alien technology, people have tried to bring
things back off of craft, haven't They pressed them to
try and prove their experiences?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, armors always unsuccessfully. I know the very first
case that got any publicity at all, and I'm telling
you obvious, boas right tried to grab a sort of
clock booking object, which immediately ended his on board experience.
They pushed him over, grabbed it, took it away from him,
and quickly escorted him off the craft.
Speaker 3: Wow, nicking the stuff from us. Yeah, that case is
most famous because he he was actually he was given
some kind of strange gas. He had to inhale some
sort of strange gas that obviously messed with his mind
because he was He then saw a creature that looked
like a human woman, not exactly obviously.
Speaker 4: Wasn't that several intimate relations.
Speaker 3: Either, yes, something He recalls having sex with his creature
very eagerly, which you'd think would be unthinkable in that situation.
Speaker 4: That's why I wanted the clock.
Speaker 3: He wanted to time himself itself. That the Well, that's
interesting you bring that up, Preston. I mean, we kind
of change. It's a don't want to change the subject
if you have more to say on the clock and materials.
But the reproductive elements of encounters, Yeah.
Speaker 4: A number of people who reported it essentially that that
same sequence of events. It's not super common, but absolutely
does come up. I've interviewed a few people myself, you know,
describe it sort of thing which fits in with the
h the nerdive that a lot of people are having
genetic material removed, whether you're male or female.
Speaker 3: This spurn extracted, overtaken from and indeed there's there's sexually
encounters in the case of Antonio Villis Boche. I actually
know a lady who has written extensively on this and Andrews.
She has a son who does not live in our world.
He lives in the alien world, and she's mtive Jason
Is that is the son who yeah, who is like
was planted into her. Yet she has another son that
was taken from her. What she's with him. Man, he's
living on he's living in this. He's called Nathan. He's
living in this, in the world of the aliens. And
this is something that you know you I didn't. I
didn't discuss it with her. I just read it in
a book because it's upsets hers so much to talk
about it. You can't really talk about it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, guys, I'm going to bend it as much
as I can.
Speaker 3: Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 5: Now, I know some people that is so that's that's
that's the paper clip. You can all say that completely
making Some people might think I'm hiding like a different
paper clip, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: I trust you that, we trust you.
Speaker 5: There's a cup of water. I can't I can't show
you that it's empty because it will pour over the keyboard.
We just take my word for it. This is the
paper clip. This is hot water.
Speaker 3: Okay, how does it take to go back.
Speaker 5: Instantly? Okay, I'm going to try keep the spiking shot.
This is the paper clip that's just come out. No, really, yep, really, Now,
I can't tip up the cup to show there's not
two paper clips because it will spill all over the
over the the thing, but it is instant. I wonder
if there's a way of doing it.
Speaker 6: So for those listening on audio and he's just placed
this bent paper clip into a cup of hot water.
Speaker 5: You know how I might switch cameras if I've got
my remote camera right, head.
Speaker 3: Straw, I mean that's to be able to do this.
I've obviously skeptic will say that. A skeptic will say
that Andy didn't have two paper clips. And I trust Andy.
I've known him a long time. Every metal is that
the term?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Night and know, I'm going to switch cameras. I
don't know if this is going to work.
Speaker 3: To see this actually happen. I like to see it.
This is changing. They must speak exams on you.
Speaker 5: I can do it. Let's have but we go, oh
look right, okay, this is I'm going to need Yeah,
I'm going to I'm going to need two hands to
bend it. Okay, okay, right.
Speaker 3: His David Copper filled moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, So skeptics have a look at this. So
this is you'd agree that's completely bent.
Speaker 3: Right, Watch, that's incredible.
Speaker 5: That is called night and all. That's real night and all. Yeah,
my god, So this is this is what I I'm
going to do that again. I'm going to do it
again so you can watch me. I'm going to.
Speaker 3: That's because of a Simon parks like he gets so
much grief off the skeptics and people. Yeah, it really does.
But I mean they'll say, oh, it's all fake, but
he takes everything. But he didn't let him know. We've
done this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you can you can see completely bent. Okay,
completely bent. Now, if this was a tank or something
and it got hit by a bullet, a hot bullet
or something, presumably.
Speaker 3: It could goes instantaneously. This is what Jesse Marcel Junior
witness when you're shown the sheet of metal by his
father in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 4: I mean hard still is a per club cast.
Speaker 3: I won it.
Speaker 5: You could a's get it off eBay for about a
fiver paper type about five. I'm going to find a
link and I'm going to drop Neil. Perhaps you could
put this link in the comments section or something like that. Yeah, sure,
but they're not that much.
Speaker 3: So is it close to like aluminium or something?
Speaker 5: This metal so there Apparently they've been working on it.
Simon says it's using alien technology or derived from alien technology.
But this is human metal that they've kind of like
used alien technology to create it kind of thing. So
again with things like lasers and fiber optics, it's like
the concept apparently comes from the aliens. Humans are taking
it back, engineered it and created this new thing from it.
Speaker 6: So I can imagine all these aliens landing. They're flying
sources saying hey, everybody, we come in peace and we've
got a box full of paper clips for you.
Speaker 3: They're into Nashic station delivery, a stationary delivery. So the
intergalactic equivalence.
Speaker 5: Of them, I fell off the three quid of eBay.
Speaker 4: Okay, if they could make your car out of that,
no more dance in your car.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, this is I mean, this is a
really ex shordinary really, I mean, because have you ever look.
Speaker 6: At that preston this metal that ben I mean, obviously
we've heard about this mentioned in the Roswell scenario, but
have you never.
Speaker 3: Heard of that in this snast Just trying to think.
Speaker 4: Now, pmber of them successfully reversed engineering it. No, they
have not that personally.
Speaker 6: There's just a focus on that demonstration by Andy quite easy,
you know, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: That was really that was one of the most remarkable
things I've seen. Andy, thanks for doing that live on
the show and giving nearly six.
Speaker 5: I know, I know the skeptics of saying, oh, he's
got two paper clicking and in it. I'm not I'm
not a magician. I'm not an illusionist. If I say something,
it's real.
Speaker 3: So and we've just seen we've just seen you actually
doing it. He doesn't have two paper clips.
Speaker 6: Yeah, have a limited lifespan, so it can only do
it so many times where it wears out.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'll just keep on doing it throughout the show
and see.
Speaker 3: But this interesting experhise if the effect actually does wear off,
because yeah.
Speaker 5: It will wear off with the decrease in temperature of
the water. So when it goes back to room temperature,
each time you do it, it will get slower and
slower to do. That's hot water, yeah, hot for some reason.
It's it reacts to heat.
Speaker 4: Only how happened that you put into the freezer. You
can't bend it it all.
Speaker 3: He's going to spend the rest of the show in
the freezer now. But that's that's that is remarkable. No, Obviously,
like these meta materials and things like that, quasi crystals
you keep hearing about.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 3: They're obviously like these new smart material to keep and
a power. The questions were that were they their origins.
It's interesting to look into whether their origins really were
from the study of extraterrestrial objects artifacts. Yeah, maybe I
wouldn't be really surprised. I mean, we do this. We
do reverse engineer things which we find. I mean, we
we've always done this. I mean, when, for example, when
our ancestors first learned to work metals, you know, we
probably one community developed this skill, and then others would
visit them and they learn it, and they go back
and they and they try it themselves, and these ideas
would spread very very quickly food until eventually the whole
human population was doing it. And technology does like this.
In fact, you know, a lot of a lot of
the world's technology that was invented here in Europe is
now being used worldwide. I mean, wherever you go in
the world, you will find cars, you will find electricity.
These things were developed by scientists, mostly on the European continents,
but they been adopted by people across the world. Indeed,
we ourselves here in Europe have adopted things that have
been developed elsewhere we learned from each other, and indeed
on a cosmic scale, why shouldn't we do the same. Now,
I'm not saying the aliens have, you know, willingly given
us technology. Maybe some of them have, or maybe we have.
We have obtained it from their own accidental losses, their
own craft coming down to grief on the Earth's surface.
So yeah, or maybe some people stealing things during abductions,
like like Antonio tried to in Brazil.
Speaker 5: You know, now this is interesting, guys, that the water
temperature is decreasing and it's it's it's slowing the time
for it to get back. So I'm going to do
I'm going to show you guys again like a slow
slow motion version of it.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize we're turning ourselves into a science show.
Speaker 5: It's really Pool Daniels show. Okay, so this is just
as fascinating for me. So again, this is here we are, Okay,
I'm going to drop it in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it is still it's still forming back and
returning to its original shape. It's taking longer. You're right,
it's taking longer to do it, and it hasn't right, Oh,
it is going I thought the other it goes slowly going.
But in cooler water it's not working so well. When
it's fashioned into a particular shape. I mean, if you
had that same metal and you had it shaped like
a fork, so a dinner fork, it has to kind
of remember its shape.
Speaker 6: How yeah, hell, how does it remember that it's a
paper clip?
Speaker 5: How is you doing this? I don't because you're right,
it's it's the idea is that it is a programmed metal.
But yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know how it would remember because it's quite
a specific shape.
Speaker 6: You need to write to a scientist and send some exambie.
But don't use that paper click with the attachments, because
you'll do it.
Speaker 4: Never get it back, you see.
Speaker 3: Because yes, some some materials are very flexible. For example,
if you make some a rubber version of that woods
would if you made something like a rubber, of course
it would. The moment you can press you you warp it.
It does return to its original shape because it has
that flexibility. But I mean, it's it doesn't make any
difference in the case of rubber, whether it's in a
hot water or cold water or in the air.
Speaker 5: Completely non magnetic, right.
Speaker 3: It's not not slung deals. What if it can ducts,
electricity or something you.
Speaker 5: Know I can take, I can test the actually.
Speaker 6: So in a minute, I'd like to talk about a
few contact cases before we close the show.
Speaker 3: Pression.
Speaker 6: So if you're on your particular favorite contact cases, have
a sink while Standley's just getting his.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I've got many, many favorite cases.
It's very hard to choose. I did interview a gentleman
from my early recent book Humanoids and Highest Strangeness who
had an on board experience as a young boy, which
he didn't out the use of hypnosis, But it turned
out his mom was with him during the experience and
she had no memory of it either. He had gone
to a hypnotist. It's quit smoking, and this is what
came out, and he was going to hypnosis because he
had a problem with insomnia. These experiences came out and
absolutely corroborated each other. His experience occurd at age seven,
turned out she hadn't experienced at age seven. Voted her parent,
and so did his kid. So it's four generations who
Adam Connor is all beginning at age seven continuing.
Speaker 3: Wow was that with gray beans?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 5: Or as it was?
Speaker 4: Great tears right.
Speaker 6: Any is is it conductive of electricity?
Speaker 3: Andy that it is?
Speaker 5: Indeed, Yeah, it is conductive.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 5: I'm going to drop a link. There's an eBay link there,
but people can just search for it literally Amazon eBay, wherever.
Look up paper clip night and old spelt n I
T I n O L night.
Speaker 3: Everyone's going to be buying it now, show for it. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now, there was a case I sent to you Preston recently,
which was you said You've got which was a very
interesting cation like the eighteen hundreds, and it was actually
reported to new from many many years later, like thirty
or four years later, and it was the guy's grandfather
had a case of him and his brothers were working
on a farm somewhere, I forget where it was, and
the dogs were barking at something. So they went to
investigate what they were barking at, and they looked over
a wall on their property and it was this small
green man. He seemed to be wearing a kind of
wrap around hat or something, but his arms were hanging down.
He only appeared to be a couple of feet high.
But you're sitting there looking at something, and then the
dogs just went for him and they ripped this would
call it alien to shreds.
Speaker 3: Absolutely pulverized it.
Speaker 6: These three dogs pulled the whole thing apart, but the
alien didn't even scream in pain or something, you know,
And they crunched its bones and all sorts of things,
and so then the guy just thought, oh okay, So
they left it and went back to work. They go
and check on it, and there's all the blood and guts.
They're still there. But it went back there the next
day and there wasn't a mess at all anywhere, No
traces of blood, intestines, no body, no bits of bone.
Very very strange case. And that was like the grandfather
kind of spoke to his grandson about it many many
many years later, and it wasn't something like really talked about,
but it was he had to be really encouraged to
talk about it before he died.
Speaker 3: Do you call that case?
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you sent me the link and I took a
look at it. I did find it very interesting. But
it is a multiple witness case to me that always
raises the level of credibility, not just one person saying this,
although it is pretty much solely eyewitness testimony. Quite unusual
I do know of a case almost identical to it,
which occurred much later in Gosh, nineteen seventy something, North Carolina.
A farmer whose dog started barking furiously. He went running
to see what the dog was barking at. As soon
as he arrived, this dog attack what we would call
a gray et and mangled it up guy so badly
that he basically fled and stayed in a hotel that night.
But he didn't stay in his home and went back
to the next day and again found no trace of it.
But essentially the same description of you know, what happened
really unusual, I mean, and again in his case he
didn't see a UFO, but it was much more akin
to a typical great et. Or is this one which
occurred in nineteen thirteen or fourteen? I believe that you're
described in Texas would be well, we would call you know,
a little person or an l or a no barrier,
what have you, which sounds crazy, but our present pretty
much all cultures across this planet and are very well
authenticated and not usually you know, connected directly to a
craft as we would think of it.
Speaker 6: Though they're just there without any kind of presence of
getting there.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 6: No one's aware of how they got there.
Speaker 3: Certainly they know how they've gone.
Speaker 4: And wearing a little hat by the way, which was
kind of an interesting detail, Yeah.
Speaker 3: A little some hat interesting. The dogs didn't come off
that bad.
Speaker 6: I mean, you was thought if they're biting into some
sort of alien flesh or something, the blood getting into
their mouth, they might come up with some little weird
infection or something, you know, But they seem to fare
well through it and survived by all.
Speaker 4: Accounts physically emotionally. If from when I remember in the case,
they were pretty upset and stuck close to their own ears.
It's kind of an interesting detail that does turn up
in a number of UFO cases where animals are quite
unnerved by the encounter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a place in Whales, shouldn't that He's
written about in the Welsh Triangle book where which includes
the broad Haven School incident, which is ussimilar to the
rural Zimbabwe one. This is from nineteen seventy seven looks
where the dog went missing, and this is a time
when there was a flying saucer over a road which
was near someone's house. Then the dogs went were barking
at it. One of them went missing and came back
in the morning and was never the same again. It
would hardly go out without the owner there, and was
total personality change of this dog. And in my view,
the dog had been experienced in an abduction which had
frightened him, and these things do have an effect in
that sense.
Speaker 4: I wrote a whole chapter about that. Am I not
from here theory? They've just put a volume five chapter
on aliens took my dog. There's a lot of cases.
Speaker 3: Is large number? Would they have interest in us? So
why wouldn't they have an interest in other speeches as well?
Speaker 4: Makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: Did they return the dogs afterwards?
Speaker 4: Yes, in the vast majority of cases, And if they didn't,
how would we know unless you've actually seen the dog
being taken? Yeah, yeah, armsdel all kinds of missing people
on this planet, which people are saying, no, maybe they're
taken by UFOs. Oh maybe, but you know, people go
missing for a lot of reasons. Yeah, really hard to speculate.
Speaker 3: So the book you're walking on now, Preston.
Speaker 4: I'm always working on a couple. I'm working right now
on the sequel to Symmetry Huh, which is one of
my more successful books about Dolly Saffron and her lifelong
contact with DTS, which it's really the most extensive contact
base I've ever had the privilege to investigate. So it's
going to be extraordinary. But my hope continuing her experiences,
but working on another but my own experiences with astral projection,
which I've got really interested in, and I've had a
lot of experiences with that and other books on the
paranormal and of course humanoids encounters, my friend's super fascinating
and maintain that is the cutting edge of UFL research. Yeah,
I think are the areas where we built a lot
of potential change the way people think subject.
Speaker 6: Well, I know that people look forward to your Friday
night uploads to YouTube of your videos of contact cases
with humanoids and things, which I always thoroughly enjoy, So
it's always worth watching Preston's channel for that. I actually
it's bizarre. I came across this video on YouTube the
other day and it's it's only been up there for
about eight days. It had like one hundred and fifty
thousand hits, and there's why are there clocktails on supermarkets?
And you're thinking, why are people so interested finding about
clocktails on supermarkets. You know, here here's fascinating cases of
UFOs and contacts of alien creatures, and but people want
to know about clocks on supermarket building.
Speaker 3: Just bizarre, you know, really weird because it's right here
in front of me on my YouTube tree top Benz. Yes, yes,
right here in front of me. Yeah, that's some. That's right.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you very much, indeed, Presston for that. So
they can find out more about you at your website
Presidendennett dot com.
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Essentially it's president dot Weebley dot com, but my name should.
Speaker 6: Be okay, And they can also find you on YouTube
Preston Dennett as well paranormal and UFO stories there. And
he's obviously got a lot of books, so you can
see those on Preston's website and also on Amazon as well.
So thank you very much, indeed for join us once
again Preston on the Paranoral peep Show. And thank you
Andy for the wonderful science demonstrations of paper clips.
Speaker 5: I could call it operation paper clip.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is thinking, yeah, operation paper clips. He's a
ver von Brown of the Paranormal Picture.
Speaker 6: And thank you Ben for joining us once more as
assistant post and it's been a great chat and with
great unions.
Speaker 3: So you're listening to.
Speaker 6: Us on the Paranormal peep Show and take care and
we'll see you next month.
Speaker 3: Good night then everyone,