Speaker 1: Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering Foundation season three, episode five, where Tyrants spend Eternity.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Spacey Now.
Speaker 3: I'm Babe and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Apple TV SI Fi series Foundation, one episode at a time,
Speaker 3: and we're trying to keep up with season three as
Speaker 3: it releases every week, and we've done pretty good so far,
Speaker 3: if I might say so. In this episode, Day disappears
Speaker 3: into Micagen on New Terminus. Captain Pritcher is berated by
Speaker 3: Mayor Endeber for his meeting with the Mule and is imprisoned.
Speaker 3: Torren Malow's ship returns to the planet Haven, where it
Speaker 3: crashes after being targeted by planetary defenses. Mallow and his
Speaker 3: party are rescued by his uncle Randu. Beta and Randu
Speaker 3: discuss the effects of Magnifico's music and the role this
Speaker 3: could play and allowing the Trader faction to control the Foundation.
Speaker 3: Gale and Dawn traveled to Clarion's station, where Don Blackmail
Speaker 3: is a local leader. Terrasts in order to sway the
Speaker 3: votes for imperial enclosure of Kalgan. The Imperial Armada encloses Kalgan,
Speaker 3: but the Mules already left, and the unleashes kalgan Star's
Speaker 3: power to destroy the planet and the armada down forces
Speaker 3: Gail to reveal that he was set up for the
Speaker 3: Enclosure to fail. Donson's a message to us before he's
Speaker 3: attacked by a vengeful Terrists can stuck out of an
Speaker 3: airlock in the space, and then Demrseau arrives at Gale Ship.
Speaker 2: Crazy five check.
Speaker 1: Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 3: We are at the halfway point of the season, so
Speaker 3: how does episode five state?
Speaker 2: It's very good, it's very interesting, things are moving. I
Speaker 2: feel like we're not stuck in one story in particular.
Speaker 2: We're getting a little bit of everything, and.
Speaker 3: It's almost like they can't fit all the stories into
Speaker 3: every episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I was gonna say, like some of it
Speaker 2: felt like it didn't get a time, Like we got
Speaker 2: a little taste, but it's like we could have expanded
Speaker 2: more on that. But it's it's coming together pretty well.
Speaker 2: I like it a lot. I'm excited for the next
Speaker 2: episode next week, and I don't know, I'm just like
Speaker 2: really enjoying the show right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, every episode we're watching this season, Like when
Speaker 3: it ends, I'm just like, oh damn, has it already
Speaker 3: been an hour? Because I just want to keep seeing
Speaker 3: for each of these arts is going.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like an hour long show right now,
Speaker 2: which is good because it used to feel.
Speaker 3: Like awfully long. Yeah, but it is holding up really well.
Speaker 1: Trivia time, What facts or news could we uncover for
Speaker 1: where Tyrant's spend Eternity?
Speaker 3: This was Foundation season three, episode five, Where Tyrants Spend Eternity.
Speaker 3: This originally aired on August eighth, twenty twenty five. Written
Speaker 3: by Caitlin Parrish and lay Dana Jack and directed by
Speaker 3: Christopher J. Byrne, who was a director who's worked on
Speaker 3: Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek's Strange New Worlds as
Speaker 3: well as American Gods. He's also going to be up
Speaker 3: directing some of the upcoming Marvel show Vision Quest, which
Speaker 3: I believe is a kind of a continuation of Wanda
Speaker 3: Vision for Vision, and he's also worked as a composer
Speaker 3: for TV shows. So there was an interview with Dusk
Speaker 3: actor Terrence Mann that has him stating Dusk, the Mersal
Speaker 3: and the other Kleons for that matter, are desperately clinging
Speaker 3: on and now things have occurred that forced him to
Speaker 3: make really hard toys about who's going to live, who's
Speaker 3: going to die, and what's ultimately going to save the empire,
Speaker 3: and then he hints that the black Hole Gun might
Speaker 3: be taken for a ride or too very soon, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, no surprise since they set that up early
Speaker 3: in the season, and you know.
Speaker 2: Well, I was, I feel like everybody has like a
Speaker 2: planet killing machine. Now what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no word yet on there being a season four.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to check in on that, but we
Speaker 3: do know that if it does get approved for a
Speaker 3: fourth season, it's going to be a whole new like
Speaker 3: writing staff and showrunner. So that's weird. Yeah, that's really weird.
Speaker 3: But I'm also like, I'm trying to gauge like where
Speaker 3: this season is going, like if they're going to wrap
Speaker 3: up the Gail storyline, the Mule storyline and uh huh and.
Speaker 2: Start a new because I mean they can do that.
Speaker 2: That's the nice thing about like jumping through time and
Speaker 2: space is that you can basically start a new show
Speaker 2: that's got like the same foundation, but a new storyline,
Speaker 2: a new tragic event, a new thing that moves things forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's also possible, like they jump
Speaker 3: ahead and leave you know, all these characters behind, as
Speaker 3: the book did when they when they started writing sequels
Speaker 3: in the eighties. But yeah, I don't know. Originally I
Speaker 3: thought like, oh, it might take a couple of seasons
Speaker 3: to get through the Mule storyline. But the foot is
Speaker 3: on the accelerator pretty hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, deep space dive. Let's break down some of our
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Speaker 3: This episode starts off with a day heading into Misogen Micagen.
Speaker 3: I always say that wrong, because that's how I said
Speaker 3: it when I was reading the books. In my head,
Speaker 3: I said, he is in the Micagen and it has
Speaker 3: kind of like a drawn Blade Runner type feel to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very dystopian future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm really curious how they're going to portray
Speaker 3: that that place. That's all we see of him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we saw little tidbits of some of them,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, man, I wish we would have
Speaker 2: seen more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it feels like they need this episode to
Speaker 3: be kind of the turning point with Don and Gale. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and We're going to pick up on some of these
Speaker 3: other stories lines hopefully next episode. Pond Precher was also
Speaker 3: kind of in that boat.
Speaker 4: He wow jailed but naked.
Speaker 2: We were just talking about how he found every opportunity
Speaker 2: to take his shirt off. Now he takes it all off. Yep,
Speaker 2: Holy moly, look at those buns. There's some buns that's
Speaker 2: steel if I ever seen some.
Speaker 3: And they didn't just flash him once. They cut back
Speaker 3: to them a couple of times, and they even.
Speaker 4: Like scanned his butthole.
Speaker 2: That was unnecessary, But honestly, very like I think part
Speaker 2: of like intake for inmates things that we don't think
Speaker 2: about as people who engage in the in the carcero system.
Speaker 2: We don't think about what you have to go through
Speaker 2: to go in to prison and jail. And one of
Speaker 2: those things is like they check your head. It looks
Speaker 2: like they check your brain in this place, and then
Speaker 2: they check your butthole. At least they don't put fingers
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a scam.
Speaker 2: And that's the last thing they do too, So it's
Speaker 2: not like they went from the butt to the mouse,
Speaker 2: like you know how sometimes people.
Speaker 4: You never go ask to mouth.
Speaker 3: I don't think they know that he has the psychic.
Speaker 2: Powers though no, they definitely do. I was ready for it, well,
Speaker 2: and I was ready for him to use them. I
Speaker 2: was ready for him to do like a like a
Speaker 2: matrix style like brain wave and he like knocks everybody
Speaker 2: out like Gail did and just walks away naked. But
Speaker 2: maybe this is part of the plan.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think it is.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's waiting for.
Speaker 2: And then I want to know what's the significance of
Speaker 2: that necklace that he had, because it was but ugly.
Speaker 2: It's like an ugly piece of leather.
Speaker 4: Or steel or something. What what is?
Speaker 2: And and then it was like a it felt like
Speaker 2: a symbolic moment when his protege took it off, So
Speaker 2: like I wish I knew the backstory to that before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, and it seemed weird. They like
Speaker 3: include that was the like an afterthought, almost like oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he has this thing on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they took every inch of clothing off of him,
Speaker 2: and then yeah.
Speaker 3: Like you scan his butthole before you remove the jewelry
Speaker 3: from him?
Speaker 4: You scanned his.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that was too much and we needed a
Speaker 2: little humor.
Speaker 3: That was that's all the really is to say about him.
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, I mean there's a lot there.
Speaker 3: Should we jump to the Mallows? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the Mallows and how like they
Speaker 2: barely made it out of their live and apparently the
Speaker 2: boy Mallow was like, I know where we have to
Speaker 2: go when I don't want to go, and it's to
Speaker 2: his ancestral lands.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's where the Traders are headquartered.
Speaker 2: And they're very like proud of their history and their background.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, no, no, we're traders, we're innovators, we're capitalists.
Speaker 3: They believe they're the strength of the Foundation. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they're apparently consider themselves to be in a I guess
Speaker 3: in conflict with the Foundation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like rivals. I wonder if it's a rivalry
Speaker 2: where only one of the parties is like in a
Speaker 2: rivalry or what, And like how would they react if
Speaker 2: they found out there's a second Foundation?
Speaker 3: They'd be like, well, where's the second Traders Union?
Speaker 2: Her?
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that like the girl Mallow
Speaker 2: was like trying to convince that guy to go with them,
Speaker 2: and like determinus, I don't know what they're doing in
Speaker 2: Terminus though, they're gonna meet with who's in terminus, that's
Speaker 2: the Foundation, right, Yeah, so they want to go to
Speaker 2: the Foundation to take this guy, this musician with very
Speaker 2: big power. And I wonder if the Mules on their
Speaker 2: son at all about that.
Speaker 3: We don't know. Is all we really hear from the
Speaker 3: Mule other than the enclosure thing is that he is
Speaker 3: he wants the he wants the musician back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that word is out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I think like the Foundation and the Empire
Speaker 2: are very interested to speak to this musician and get
Speaker 2: more intel on what's up. And I can't believe Gail
Speaker 2: like totally threw baby Dawn under the bus like that,
Speaker 2: she totally played him.
Speaker 3: And then she done the pawn.
Speaker 2: Oh every time that poor kid, it's usually a woman too.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then he might have died. We don't know what
Speaker 2: happened to him. Maybe Drumosol is going to rescue him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I so I had like a
Speaker 3: little bit of this episode spoiled for me just when
Speaker 3: I was trying to prepare for the episode. And I
Speaker 3: was under the impression that he was going to die
Speaker 3: at the end, but watching it, like there's a chance
Speaker 3: he's in a suit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in a suit, and Remasol's right there looking
Speaker 2: for him and his little antibodies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he still has his Nannie.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gale and Down just so they were starting to
Speaker 3: work together.
Speaker 2: No, I think I feel like there was a lot
Speaker 2: of tension between Gale and Dawn, especially after he found
Speaker 2: out that she has mental abilities. You could tell him
Speaker 2: like withdrawing from her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and then to find out that she played
Speaker 2: you like and then Homeboy was like he killed somebody's mistress. Like,
Speaker 2: I can't put I can't pin down down with like
Speaker 2: what he's doing. He sent a message to Dusk, which
Speaker 2: is kind of nice. He's like, hey, brother, like, I
Speaker 2: hope you're doing well. I did what I had to do.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to change the world. And then he like
Speaker 2: leads he goes and manipulates this man who has a
Speaker 2: family on the planet that he's trying to quarantine. And
Speaker 2: that's all he's trying to do is quarantine the planet.
Speaker 2: Like basically like write an embargo, like trying to keep
Speaker 2: everybody in and now no movement. I don't know why
Speaker 2: you can't take his family out before that.
Speaker 3: Though, I don't know. Well, I think he's been having
Speaker 3: trouble trying to get them off the planet already because
Speaker 3: of the mule being there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with Don. He's just
Speaker 2: kind of wild card right now, and I'm hoping he
Speaker 2: finds like he's able to stay alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it would be more interesting to have
Speaker 3: him alive, yeah, than just like Demersal decanting another one of.
Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, and Demerzal finding Gail and she's like, you
Speaker 2: look well for three hundred years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I guess they must have shared screen
Speaker 3: time in like the very first episode. Yeah, they've seen
Speaker 3: each other, but yeah, they're not characters that we've seen
Speaker 3: together in a really long time. Yeah, which is I
Speaker 3: think kind of an exciting thing about this seasons that
Speaker 3: we're mixing up some of these characters more.
Speaker 2: I feel like Gail should be like, you look well too, bitch,
Speaker 2: how do you stay so preserved? Because does Gail know
Speaker 2: that Demersal is a robot?
Speaker 3: Maybe because she knows that Demersal is still around because
Speaker 3: she's talking to Don and talked about her having the
Speaker 3: prime radiant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she might know.
Speaker 2: You must know, unless they think she's like clean on
Speaker 2: where she gets recanted every year or whatever, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like the Second Foundation might have
Speaker 3: some people around the palace as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have people everywhere.
Speaker 2: I was surprised when they landed on that planet that
Speaker 2: they had somebody in like immigration checking their papers. And
Speaker 2: I did like that trick where she looked like Don
Speaker 2: and then she made everybody fall asleep. That was kind
Speaker 2: of cool. And then when she admitted that she's like
Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't know if I'm mannipulated you
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 4: It's hard to tell.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: She had to say that, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's a little too honest right before this mission.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he like and she totally used him and
Speaker 2: made like I understand the goal was to like make
Speaker 2: Empire weak, which I think she succeeded, but damn, at
Speaker 2: what cost? She killed a whole planet. That doesn't make
Speaker 2: her better than Empire. That's a planet for planet. They
Speaker 2: have the same death toll.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, she's manipulating on like a galactic scale.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If I was done, I'd rather die than have to
Speaker 2: face the consequences of being that empire, you know, being
Speaker 2: the one who pulled the trigger on that one being
Speaker 2: like oops, but it kind of tolls you, Like, Yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: the mule is like, seriously a bad guy. Look at
Speaker 2: what he's capable of. And if we would have done
Speaker 2: this when I wanted you to do it, like two
Speaker 2: weeks ago, we would have got his ass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it sucks that he like made that big
Speaker 3: speech about the failures of the previous as empires.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just kind of highlighting that you're another failure friend.
Speaker 4: Yikes.
Speaker 3: We know how the last enclosure went, and now this.
Speaker 2: One they're gonna make enclosures, I legals, Yeah, forever, no
Speaker 2: empire will ever do an enclosure ever again.
Speaker 3: Now they have continued to mention salv War throughout the show,
Speaker 3: and now we know that she has a zygote that
Speaker 3: is being kept on the ship.
Speaker 4: That was weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you keep them on a ship? Why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you keep them at home, like where they're safe
Speaker 2: and they're secret in your secret planet instead of on
Speaker 2: a ship where you're traveling and getting shot at and chased.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would keep my unborn babies in
Speaker 2: a freezer at home instead of in my car. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: what if my car got hijacked.
Speaker 3: That's a fair point. But I guess like the ship
Speaker 3: with salv Wars, it was just like keeping it.
Speaker 2: But the zygote is in salve war. That's salve warss
Speaker 2: unborn sisters. Well not even A zygot is a clump
Speaker 2: of cells that comes together when an ovum and an
Speaker 2: or an egg meets a sperm cell successfully and it
Speaker 2: like like it duplicates and creates a cluster of cells.
Speaker 2: So it's not like she has like a little fetus.
Speaker 2: She just has like cell clumps that have her DNA
Speaker 2: and RJ or whatever his name was her. And like,
Speaker 2: as she told her current boyfriend about the zygoats, does
Speaker 2: he know that her other her baby daddy still has
Speaker 2: like prime real estate taken up in her ship. Is
Speaker 2: he going to be like, well, I want to make
Speaker 2: aseye goo too, Like I don't know, like how does
Speaker 2: that work with the reproductive systems? Because did they take
Speaker 2: all of her eggs to create these like babies or
Speaker 2: does she still have some viable eggs that she could
Speaker 2: make on her own? Does she still get a period?
Speaker 2: How do periods work when you're frozen? They must only
Speaker 2: come down whenever you're like awake, right, I wonder how
Speaker 2: that works. Nobody's explained this. They need to explain this.
Speaker 2: We need to know about Gail's periods.
Speaker 4: What are you looking up? Hello?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to understand. I thought that the zygoat was
Speaker 3: like Salvar's child.
Speaker 2: Why she never preserved her eggs?
Speaker 3: Did she?
Speaker 2: The only one that ever had a zygoat? Was freaking
Speaker 2: Gail when they were getting ready to go to the
Speaker 2: First Foundation, And I thought Salvar gave.
Speaker 4: Them to her?
Speaker 3: No, she says it as it's Salvar's zygoat. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: so that's Gail's grand baby. Oh so wh whose sperm?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 3: Probably her blue eyed boyfriend?
Speaker 2: When did she have time to do all that? Doesn't
Speaker 2: she sleep for three hundred years and wake up and
Speaker 2: find a fake blue eyed boyfriend? The timelins before all that,
Speaker 2: This timeline's not adding up. You can't just spring a
Speaker 2: zygo out of nowhere. Okay, that's that's got to be
Speaker 2: a procedure. What's it say?
Speaker 3: There's people speculating that could be a return of salvar
Speaker 3: through this.
Speaker 4: That's weird.
Speaker 2: I don't like that they're basically saying this is like
Speaker 2: a clone. But is that it's like each zygote is individual,
Speaker 2: unless there's like twin zygotes or whatever, but even then
Speaker 2: they're still independent people.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think the science is mushy and unclear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think that's definitely something that's
Speaker 3: going to come back and we'll get some answers on it,
Speaker 3: because yeah, it's very just drop that there for you know,
Speaker 3: a random conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, it's fucking don like like uh looking around, like
Speaker 2: finding shit and like touching everything, like leave shit alone
Speaker 2: down those need to stay in the refrigerator.
Speaker 3: Well he walked in on her, checking in on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that's what it was.
Speaker 3: Okay, Any other thoughts on the episode?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the girl mellow.
Speaker 2: Yes, when she came out of the shower or she
Speaker 2: was after she bathed, her hair was perfectly curled and
Speaker 2: like just perfect, and I'm like what, I was like,
Speaker 2: what how does that work?
Speaker 3: She has really good products?
Speaker 2: She must mean she's sponsored to Hale Yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, that must be nice to just
Speaker 2: like get out of the shower and your hair's perfectly done.
Speaker 2: That's the future I want to live in. But that's
Speaker 2: all I had. Yeah, Oh, I did want to talk
Speaker 2: about how Brother day Uh showed his cunning again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't ride right into a trap.
Speaker 2: It was very short, very very short lived little bit
Speaker 2: of him that we saw, just like a little vignette
Speaker 2: of what's going on over there in Miderville. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but he's a he's very cunning right now, and I
Speaker 2: kind of like seeing the side of him. It's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's more sober than he's been. They took
Speaker 3: away his connection, so he's got to get her back.
Speaker 1: National Queen. Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3: Who do you think was the standout character? Was it
Speaker 3: Brother don I think.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was like a cold hearted murderer and manipulator,
Speaker 2: and he was like fully trusting Gail and leaning in.
Speaker 2: What a fool and then he gets stabbed in the
Speaker 2: back and shot in the chest or shot at and then.
Speaker 4: They push him out the airlock.
Speaker 3: Yep, fully gave him the old Cylon treatment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm like, I'm gonna vote for Down today
Speaker 2: just because he learned some lessons and he's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just very interesting to see him this rule.
Speaker 4: You never know what's gonna happen with Don.
Speaker 3: Nope, But if he survives, I think he's gonna be
Speaker 3: very angry. I'm imagining like him going out the airlock
Speaker 3: and Demersal with no space suit or anything, just like
Speaker 3: comes up and grabs him. Am I gonna pick? Gail
Speaker 3: is so conflicting because she was using and killing and manipulating.
Speaker 3: She also did such cool tricks along the way. Beta
Speaker 3: Mallow was interesting, but I don't really understand what their
Speaker 3: whole plan is or why that was important. I do
Speaker 3: think it's really cool that the Merzal showed up there,
Speaker 3: but I can't give it to her son that I'm
Speaker 3: gonna pick brother Don as well. All right, all those reasons,
Speaker 3: so it is Don day and we will try to
Speaker 3: get him those awards if he survives. That's all we
Speaker 3: have for this episode. Will be back next time to
Speaker 3: talk about season three, episode six, The Shape of Time.
Speaker 3: We hope you will join us for that, So thank
Speaker 3: you for spacing out with us, and remember what's your advice.
Speaker 2: My advice is not to piss off somebody who knows
Speaker 2: where you're at and can shoot you off the air lock.
Speaker 2: And always make sure you look to make sure there's
Speaker 2: no like mistresses listening to your conversation that can be incriminating.
Speaker 4: Like when he walked in, he could have been like,
Speaker 4: are you alone? Yeah, Empire, of course, are you sure?
Speaker 4: Why are you home?
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be out, like at work, you're in
Speaker 2: a Rowe put two and two together, don god, damn.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's all I got. Take care.
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