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everyone back to the Pikingana Show. Aaron's beck, how's it going? Erin?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about We're gonna look at a speech

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by a Nazi.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing.

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Speaker 2: I was just sitting a bird earlier. You know, I'm

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coming on the heels of your close out of Hitler's

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foreign policy with Thomas, and I'm like, who the hell

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is gonna want to listen to me? After that?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I think you know, if you remember that Gebels

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at this time was still running around with a KPD, hm,

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you know that he I mean really up until the end.

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I mean he ran with them for about twelve thirteen years. Yeah.

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Then you start to you know, when you read some

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of the stuff that he's when you read his speeches

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or read some of the stuff you wrote, you're like, oh, okay,

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that makes sense, this makes sense. Okay. Yeah, So yeah,

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having you on for that because I mean, I don't

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know that you know as much about communism as Thomas does,

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but you know a hell of a lot more about

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communism than most people I know.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I'm a real comrade, all right.

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Speaker 1: I just a little bit of just a little bit

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about this is. It is from January ninth, nineteen twenty eight,

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to an audience of party members at the so called

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Cultural for Politique for Politique, a series of training talks

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for party members in Berlin. It's Gerbel's most extended discussion

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on the nature of propaganda, all the more interesting because

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of its early date. It is worth comparing this speech

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to one he gave seven seven years later to a

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closed gathering of party propaganda's at the nineteen thirty five

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Nuremberg Rally. That speech was not published. The text is available,

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but geta YadA. So, yeah, this is I mean nineteen

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twenty eight. This is five years before. This is five

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you know, more than five years before they take power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the situation is even more tenuous than it

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was when they took power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, all right, I'm gonna start stop me anytime

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then you know how this works? All right. Knowledge and

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Propaganda by Joseph Gerbels, My dear fellow party members. Our

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topic this evening is hotly disputed. I realized that my

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viewpoint is subjective. There is really little point in discussing propaganda.

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There is really little point in discussing propaganda. It is

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a matter of practice, not of theory.

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Speaker 2: Once experiential, you have to experience propaganda in order to understand.

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Speaker 1: It exactly exactly. That there's no theory behind it. It

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doesn't it doesn't work unless someone experiences it. Yeah. One

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cannot determine theoretically whether one propaganda is better than another,

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and that propaganda is bad that does not lead to

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the desired results. Consequential consequentialism. Yeah, it does not matter

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how clever it is, for the task of propaganda is

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not to be clever. Its task is to lead to success.

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I therefore avoid theoretical discussions about propaganda, for there is

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no point to it. Propaganda shows that it is good

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if over a certain period it can win over and

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fire up the people for an idea. If it fails

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to do so, it's bad propaganda. If propaganda wins the

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people it wanted to win, it was presumably good, and

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if not, it was presumably bad. No one can say

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twenty four hour news cycle, because propaganda today is designed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.

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Speaker 2: You click on whatever you need to click on to

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generate revenue and then you forget about it. So that

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Speaker 1: If propaganda wins the people that wanted to win, it

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weak or modest. It is to be successful. That is

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why I have intentionally chosen to discuss propaganda along with

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a second theme knowledge. Otherwise our discussion this evening would

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be of little value. We have not gathered to discuss

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levely theory is, but rather find to find ways of

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practically working together to deal with our everyday challenges.

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Speaker 1: What is propaganda and what role does it have in

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do that only when we begin with the origin of

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propaganda itself, namely the idea, then move to the target

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of propaganda, namely people. Ideas in themselves are timeless. They

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are not tied to individuals, much less to a people.

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their attitudes ideas. People say are in the clouds.

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Speaker 1: People say, yeah, a're in the clouds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do exist independently of the mind. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's also in Hinduism too, Oh yeah, outside the mind,

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watching the thinker. Yeah, thing all right, when someone comes

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along who can put in words what everyone feels in

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their heart, each feels, Yes, that is what I always

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want it in hope for that is what happens the

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first time one here's one of Hitler's major speeches. I

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have met people who have attended a Hitler meeting for

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the first time, and at the end they said, this

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man puts in words everything I have been searching for

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for years. Yeah, the first time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When you can, when you can distill and articulate what

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that's that's the best. It's it's it's it's awesome on

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both ends. Like when somebody says, like, you know, I

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never knew how to express that like that, that's awesome

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on our end. And when we're reading something or or

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listening to something that distills an idea into just a

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form that's easily digestible. It fires you up. That's that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Others are lost in confused. Others are lost in confusion.

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But suddenly someone stands up and puts it in words.

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Now I've heard everything from goat to gutsa? What do you?

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What do you? How do you pronounce it?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say gutsa because that's what the last that's

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the last way I heard it say. Gutso's words become reality.

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Speaker 2: Should ask me how to pronounce any philosopher's name, I'm

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the last person you want to ask.

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Speaker 1: But that's a great line there. Lost in silent misery.

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God gave someone to express my suffering. Yeah, yeah, some

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kind of ideas the beginning of every political movement. It

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is not necessary to put this idea in a thick book,

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nor that it take political form in one hundred long paragraphs.

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Speaker 2: People somehow manage.

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Speaker 1: History proves that the greatest world movements have always developed

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when their leaders knew how to unify their followers under

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a short, clear theme, It's just something I've been saying

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recently with the whole Libertarian Party thing is really when

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it comes to activism, when it comes to ideological activism,

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you don't want a party, a political party, because it's

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just pure bureaucracy. The best way to do it is

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you pick one narrow topic and you become like a

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lobby group for it, you become a propagandist for it,

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and you just go after elected Now you are going

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after elected officials. You don't have to worry about getting elected.

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You're going to go after the elected officials. That's the

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way National Association for Gun Rights basically got constitutional carry

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in half the states in this country is by going

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to politicians and saying we're going to run this person.

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We have this person who's going to run against you

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in a primary. Yeah, if you don't you know, if

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you don't promise this, Yeah, yeah, that's that.

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Speaker 2: I the Libertarian Party has somehow sunk to new depths.

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I didn't know where imaginable, but I guess it's not surprising.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I said it was going to happen.

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You're just you know, managerialism takes over. So yeah, right,

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that is clear from the French Revolution, or Cromwell's movement,

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or Buddhism, Islamer Christianity. Christ's goal was clear and simple,

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love your neighbor as yourself. He gathered his followers behind

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that straightfaward statement because this teaching was simple, crisp, clear

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and understandable, enabling the broad masses to stand behind it

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in the end conquered the world. One then builds a

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it is applied to every aspect of daily life and

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becomes the guide for all human activity, politics, culture, the economy,

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every area of human behavior. It becomes a worldview. We

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see that. We see that in all great revolutionary movements,

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which begin with a clear, crisp, understandable, all encompassing idea,

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they spread more and more and become a mirror of

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life that reflects all activities of the people. And indeed,

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in a particular way.

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Speaker 1: I think he's describing a culture. Yeah, yeah, Then one

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he knows a lot or has read a lot, but

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because he sees all of life from a certain standpoint

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and measures everything by a certain standard. I'm a Christian

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when I believe that the meaning of life is the

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heavy responsibility to love my neighbor as myself. Kanton one said,

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act as if the principle of your life could be

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Speaker 1: Act as if the principle for your life could be

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the principle for your entire nation. Yeah, huh, Well, I mean,

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I consider all aspects of daily life. I must act

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state above my personal good. But then I also have

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the guarantee that such a state will be able to

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it's it's it's going to be very difficult for us

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could potentially end up getting power. Is it takes a

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that trust in those things.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it takes uh, it takes a whine more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, it takes desperate It's going to be desperation.

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Speaker 1: I am a national socialist when I see everything in politics, culture,

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of the economy from this standpoint. I therefore do not

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evaluate the theater from the standpoint of whether it is

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elegant or amusing. Rather, I ask is it good for

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my people? Is it useful for them? Does it strengthen

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the community? If so, the community in turn can benefit,

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support and strengthen me. I do not see the economy

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want an economy that will strengthen the people, make them

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healthy and powerful. Then too, I can expect that this

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people will support and maintain me. If I see things

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like a libertarian would say, oh, call someone a socialist.

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Speaker 2: Now the antithesis that is the antithesis of anarcho capitalism.

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have the option to think that way, but you have

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the option to think whatever way you want and still

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participate in society.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If I deliver this crisp clear idea into a

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system of thought that includes all human devices, wishes, and actions,

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I have a worldview. As an idea develops into a worldview,

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the goal is the state. Knowledge does not remain the

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property of a certain group, but fights for power. It

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is not just the fantasy of a few people among

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a few people among the people. Rather, it becomes the

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idea of the rulers, the circles that have power. The

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view does not only pre The view does not only preach,

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but it is carried out in practice.

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Speaker 2: I recall a long time ago when we were reading

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state and revolution, just going over it and viewing it

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in terms of practice. You know, during the during the

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October Revolution, November, every leading up to and everything after it,

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practice practice, practice, And you know, at the time we

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were kind of moving away from libertarianism because of that.

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And it's the same thing with this national socialism. It

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places an emphasis on praxis like practical application of your

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of your knowledge, of your of your theory or whatever.

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And I don't I don't see that happening with even

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you know, unfortunately, a lot of people that I like

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that espouse a worldview that I agree with, I don't

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see them emphasizing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Then the idea becomes the worldview of the state.

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The worldview has become a government organism when it seeses

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power and can influence life, not only in theory but

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in practical everyday life. Now we must consider who is

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the carrier, the transmitter, the guardian of such ideas the

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great man. An idea always lives in individuals. It seeks

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in individuals to transmit its great intellectual force. It becomes

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alive in a brain and seeks escape through the mouth.

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The idea is preached by individuals, individuals who will never

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be satisfied to have the knowledge remain there's alone.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a very well constructed paragraph and

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figured that's why he's the Minister of propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean you know. The great thing about

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a speech about knowledge and propaganda is he's propagandizing with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, he practices what he preaches.

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Speaker 1: You know that from experience. When one knows something, one

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does not keep it hidden like a buried treasure, but

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rather one seeks to tell others. One looks for people

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who should know it. One feels that everyone else should

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know as well, for one feels alone when no one

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else knows. For example, if I see a beautiful paints

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again at our gallery, I have the needs to tell others.

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I meet a good friend and say to him found

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a wonderful picture. I have to show it to you.

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The same is true of ideas. If an idea lives

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in an individual, he has the urge to tell others.

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There is some mysterious force in us that drives us

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to tell others. The greater and simpler the idea, the

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more it relates to daily life, the more one has

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the desire to tell everyone about it.

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Speaker 2: And it's a testament to you know, the system we

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live under that we hesitate to tell people about these

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great ideas in real life. I mean I I see

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great ideas on my timeline every single day, and I

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want to tell people, but I usually just stop at

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my wife and see how see what she thinks. And

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then you know if if if I go, if I

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go to bed, nothing happens that I know it was

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a bad idea and I just annoyed her. So but

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it's it's a testament to the counter propaganda machinery that

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we live under, that we we naturally hesitate to promulgate

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these good ideas, almost like they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we we have to say.

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Speaker 2: It in hush tones and quiet, you know, amongst people

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we trust.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then if it gets to the point where

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it's so dangerous to say certain things, then everyone's a

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fed and you don't want to talk to anyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, as awesome as the Internet is,

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I think that the next big thing is going to

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spread via word of mouth and probably semi hermetic circles

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because it has to, because nobody wants to get arrested.

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Speaker 1: If I believe that the nation must be governed by

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the principle that the common good comes before the individual good,

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I will tell it to those to whom it will play.

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As soon as I realize that this principle is not

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only of a transcendental, transcendental nature, but that it applies

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to daily life. I have the need to tell it

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to those in the economic world. And if I see

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it applies to culture as well, I have the need

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to tell it to those involved in cultural activities. The

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great masses will never be won simply by such a sentence.

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It must cast its shadow over all areas of human life. Yep, yeah, Grams,

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she was Grams, she was the one who understood this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It has to march through institutions.

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Speaker 1: Yep. You see how an idea spreads and becomes a worldview,

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and how the bearer of the individual reaches out to

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form a community, and how an organization, then a movement

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grows from the individual. The idea is no longer buried

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in the heart and mind of an individual. Now there

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are four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, eighty, one hundred

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and ever more. That is a secret of ideas. They

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are like a wildfire that cannot be restrained. They are

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like a gas that sees through everything.

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Speaker 2: I saw that sentence. It was like, this is too easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Where an idea finds entry, it enters, and soon

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that person is influencing others. The others cannot stop it.

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They may believe they can stop the fire by force.

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They may even be able to do so for two

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or ten, twenty or fifty years, but this is not

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significant in the larger course of world's history. It is

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irrelevant if something happens today or tomorrow or even years

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in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very transcendental view.

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Speaker 1: Well, the you know, and the thing is is that

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you can have the greatest idea in the world, and

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you can tell it to a bunch of people, and

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you know, two thousand people can hold on to it

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and love it and want to talk about it. But

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if they're not willing to put it into motion, if

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they're not willing to you know, get the ball rolling

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on it and implements it, it's use. That's when it's

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just theory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 1: It is possible to slow an idea by force for

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a certain period of time. In reality, however, that advances

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the idea for forces to drive out that which is weak.

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That's really good. That's really good. Yeah. Now, when everybody's

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like what you believe, you know, hardly anybody believes that

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there might be a reason. Yeah, there might be a reason.

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The elements that do not really belong collapse. Suddenly, the

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individual becomes a community, a movement, and if you prefer

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a party, each movement begins as a party. That does

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not mean it has to follow the methods of parliamentary parties.

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We see a party as a part of the people.

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As an idea spreads, becoming a worldview that spread to

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the community, the community will want to give the idea

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practical form. The party will feel the necessities organize. Someone

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will suddenly have the idea you think the way I

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do a way I think. You are working over there,

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I am working here, and we know nothing of each other.

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That is absurd. It would be better if we work together,

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if I did my part and you did yours. Would

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it not be good if we met every month and talked.

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That is an organization. Gradually, a strong organism develops a

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party ready to fight for its ideals. A party that

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does not want that will indeed continue to preach its ideals,

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but will never bring them into reality.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's extremely hard to start that process now,

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because anything outside of you, if you want to call

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it the Overton window, never gets beyond what step.

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never gets beyond not being buried in the heart

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and mind of an individual, or you may you may

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get up to what for those numbers twenty Now it's funny,

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it's a four eighty one hundred. Yeah, it may get

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up to one hundred. But and I'm talking in real life,

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not not x not social media. That's a whole different

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story that that has its own end point that never materializes.

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But it's yeah, it's I'm telling you, like, the next

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big thing is going to be something you hear in

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real life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, may have heard it happen. A recent example may help.

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Our movement is often accused of losing its character as

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a movement. Oh have you ever heard that if you change,

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if you're change a little bit, Oh, you've you don't

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understand it anymore.

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Speaker 2: You're not a real national socialist.

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Speaker 1: You've lost a plot. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't hack it.

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What we are accused of taking the vast, broad and

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ever moving system of thought of Vulcush movement and forcing

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it into a proto pro Chrustian bed.

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Speaker 2: So procrustian bed. I looked that up and it's basically

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a like an arbitrary like forcing something to be arbitrarily different.

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That's all it is okay. The emphasis is on the

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arbitrariness of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mean, like they try to say post libertarianism

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was just Yeah, we supposedly had to chop off the

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legs of the movement that stuck out, eliminating important parts

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of the Vulcanish idea. Volkish idea national socialism is only

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a surrogate for the real movement. Some say, in fact,

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the Volcansh movement ran ground on this matter. Each declares

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his own particular interest central to the Volcansh movement and

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accuses anyone who does not share his views as being

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a traitor to the cause. This sounds familiar, huh. That

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is the way the Volcanish movement was before the war.

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If someone had been able to take this great idea,

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and the Volcish idea was greater than the Marxist idea

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and develop out of it a tightly disciplined political organization,

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then the Volcansh idea, not the Marxist idea, would have won.

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On nine November nineteen eighteen. Marxism won because it had

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a better understanding of political conditions, because it had forged

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the sword it would later use to conquer the state.

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If a Volkish organizer had understood how to form a

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great movement. It is a question of life or death

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for a nation. The Vulkish idea, not Marxism, would have won.

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It was a worldview, but it did not understand how

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to form a party and how to forge just a

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sharp sword that would have enabled it to conquer the state.

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Speaker 2: So is he drawing a distinction. I didn't get this.

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Is he drawing a distinction between national socialism and uh, like,

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the Vulcan movement?

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, because the vulk movement. Yeah, because people

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who are adhered to the Vulcan movement argue that national

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socialist was just a was basically a bastardization. You know,

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you don't understand, you don't understand what you're doing, you

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don't understand who we are. Kind of Yeah, but you know,

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he point he points out that at the end of

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the war. I'm reading this book on my show Blockade

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right now, and it's about Vienna at the end of

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the during the war and at the end of World

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War One, and immediately in Vienna, the when the troops

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come back, when the kids them back, when the men

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come back, socialism has taken hold. So I mean they're

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bringing back socialism with them, They're bringing back Bolshevism with them.

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Why why because it was the only at that point,

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It's really the one, the one thing that is pushing

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back against the what they would call the war profiteers

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and people like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes sense because I mean the right

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wing coalition in Germany post World War immediately post World

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War One was like a coalition that included democratic socialists

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and communists, right m hm, and and these and Volcish

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of the Vulkan movement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was I mean for a second, I

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mean they actually talk about like these whole she talks

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about that. Why. I think her daughter went and visited

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a relative in Lens in Austria, and this is in

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nineteen eighteen, late nineteen eighteen, and there are roving, roving

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hordes going through the town and just taking everything, destroying everything,

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and she just off handedly mentions and they, I don't

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know why, but they look Russian. Huh, Well there's a reason.

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There's a reason why they looked Russian because they were

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pouring over the border to take a country, to take

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a country that was in tatters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the state needs a worldview. Christianity also conquered the state,

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and in the movement that it and in the moment

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that it conquered the state, it began to carry out

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00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:58,039
practical political activity. You can, with justice claim yes, But

476
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,400
at the moment Christianity took over the state began to

477
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,400
cease to begin being Christian. That is the tragedy of

478
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,000
all great ideas. At the moment they enter the realm

479
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,720
of this life of sin, of the all too human,

480
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,400
they leave the heavens and lose to romantic magic. Wow,

481
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,279
that sounds like James Burnham. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's

482
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:23,200
just Burnham talking about how when when ideology is introduced

483
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,279
to reality, it just it gets punched in the mouth.

484
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I I I don't know if I agree

485
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,519
with that. I don't know that you can, with justice

486
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,960
claim yes, But at the moment Christianity took over the state,

487
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,200
it ceased being Christian. Yeah.

488
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,519
Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah, I mean, it's it just it depends.

489
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: It might have it might have changed changed his nature

490
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,759
and it has to Yeah, but yeah, I don't know,

491
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,480
I get something.

492
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did the dogmacies Yeah right, okay, they become

493
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:08,559
something normal. We are not discussing whether or not one

494
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,359
can change the nature of life. Things have gone on

495
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,559
this way for millions of years and will go on

496
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,000
in the same way for millions more. You will have

497
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,640
to ask a higher power why that is so. At

498
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,319
the moment an idea takes practical form, it loses its

499
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:25,400
angels wings. It's romantic mystery. If someone had had the

500
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,359
courage to strip the volcansh idea of its romantic mystery,

501
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,000
if one had taken account of the hard facts, it

502
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:34,200
would not look as romantic today as it does to

503
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,559
some dreamers, but it would have kept millions of German

504
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:48,839
children from starving. For me, it is more yeah, yeah, well,

505
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,559
you know, you know what I learned from that, that

506
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:57,559
diary blockade, the Save the Children Foundation that was started

507
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:01,720
to feed German and all and kids after World War One.

508
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:09,079
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, yeah, yeah, believe Sorry.

509
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: For me, it is important that a nation lives, that

510
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,240
a nation live. For me, it is more important that

511
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:17,759
a nation lives than that an idea remains as pure

512
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:19,920
as possible in the heads of a few dreamers.

513
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:21,119
Speaker 2: Very practical.

514
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you can see that a movement needs an organization

515
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,519
if it is to conquer the state, and it must

516
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,680
conquer the state. If it wants to do something of

517
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:34,559
positive and historic significance. I have often met the kind

518
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,279
of wandering apostle who says, well, everything you are doing

519
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,759
is fine, but you rely you really, but you rely

520
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,480
must also you really must also take a stand against

521
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,880
foreign words in the German language. And another comes along

522
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480
who says, well, everything you say is good, but you

523
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,359
must have a point in your program that says allopathy

524
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,599
is dangerous and you must support homeopathy. If the movement

525
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400
were led by such apostles, that you would end up

526
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,759
in charge. Do we want to talk about the United

527
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:14,359
States now? So I wudn't talk about the early twentieth

528
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:15,720
century United States now?

529
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: So I've actually been thinking a little harder about this

530
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,279
and talking to some people, and uh, I think, yes

531
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:31,960
there is I I don't think it's just judaism, that's

532
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,640
you know, pernicious influence and all that. But what let

533
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,839
me throw this at you and we could talk about

534
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:46,799
it whenever. But uh, what about the pernicious influence of gnosticism?

535
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:49,039
Speaker 1: Oh where did that come from?

536
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,079
Speaker 2: So just looking into the uh.

537
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,039
Speaker 1: The modern the modern birth of it.

538
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Oh, the modern birth, Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's the

539
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,119
usual suspects and if you go back in time, it's

540
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,640
it's them as well. After the you know, in the

541
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,199
in the second to fourth century, you know, in.

542
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,519
Speaker 1: The most Christians would have been of Jewish Jewish descent, Yeah,

543
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:12,320
would be fair.

544
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the the the syncretism between Judaism and narcissism,

545
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,119
and you know how that influenced the Talmud, how that

546
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,280
influenced a couple of other their other books. And I'm

547
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,679
and it's just an idea that came into my head.

548
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,239
I wonder how how that syncretism is playing out now.

549
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,679
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the whole idea of gnosticism. I mean

550
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:41,719
you could just peel the skin off of it and

551
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,480
you can see progressivism.

552
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,119
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah yep. And you know it's it's influence

553
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:53,400
in academia, it's influence in Hollywood, you know, not to

554
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,760
not to really put my tinfoil hat on. But that's

555
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,760
just something that I was noticing.

556
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,039
Speaker 1: Kay, you're noticing huh.

557
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:08,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like are you putting another yeah, putting another

558
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,880
another hat on.

559
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,599
Speaker 1: The jew would find something new every day until nothing

560
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,719
was left. It is not the task of a revolutionary

561
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,840
fighting movement to settle the dispute between allopathy and homeopathy. Rather,

562
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,800
its task is to take power. Yeah, it's you're saying.

563
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,159
If you're looking at allopathy homeopathy, these are basically cultural things,

564
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:38,880
a way of life, basically, I mean you could call

565
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,599
them ideologies. People build whole ideologies around them. You see

566
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:47,440
people who are really into allopathy or homeopathy or really homeopathy,

567
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,719
who have its tendency to be of a certain the

568
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,480
stereotype is of a certain group, you know, the certain

569
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,000
kind of person. And yeah, I mean that you can

570
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,519
call that an ideology. And when it comes to taking power,

571
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,760
you know, these things really need to be really need

572
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,079
to be put aside, because is that argument right there

573
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,960
between allopathy and homeopathy? Is that important when you're trying

574
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440
to take over a state, when you're trying to put together,

575
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,519
when you're trying to you know, basically, have great national

576
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,679
socialists create national socialism?

577
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: Doing the math? Five years later, I think they mostly

578
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:33,760
proved that homeopathy works. At least.

579
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: The movement must have a program such that every honest

580
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,199
fighter can stand behind it. Now, it is certainly true

581
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:48,199
that the modern German cultural establishment produces every manner of nonsense.

582
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,800
I know that this nonsense is poisoning the German national soul.

583
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,400
There are those who say something has to happen. You

584
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,639
have to do something. If you want to fight the

585
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:00,960
movie industry, you must build your own theater, even if

586
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,559
it's even if at first it has the most primitive equipment.

587
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,239
And if you see that the children are being poisoned

588
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,599
by what they read in school, you must begin to

589
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,639
win children's souls and give them the ansidote. My reply

590
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,559
is simple. You can spend ten years giving the antidote

591
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,000
to the poison that is produced by a badly led

592
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:22,480
cultural establishment, but a single decree from a ministry of

593
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440
culture can destroy all your work. If you had spent

594
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,079
the ten years winning fighters for the movement, the movement

595
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,840
would have conquered the Ministry of Culture. Everything else is

596
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,679
mere piece work. That's certainly a paragraph right there.

597
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

598
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,599
Speaker 1: Ministry is culture poisoning German national soul. Something has to happen.

599
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,559
You have to do something. If you don't like Amazon,

600
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:58,599
build your own Amazon. Even got some libertarian yeah, through

601
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:03,280
some libertarianism in here. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I said

602
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,880
with homeschooling, I absolutely suggest that people homeschool their kids

603
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,280
right now. But if only five percent of the population

604
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,639
is homeschooling. That means ninety five percent of the kids

605
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,599
twenty years from now are just going to be progressive psychopaths.

606
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And with a single decree, I mean, with

607
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,400
a single decree, we would lose ninety nine percent of

608
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,599
our progress. If they just simply you know, enforced KYC

609
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,320
on X, I think you know, that would be a

610
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:37,559
that would crush.

611
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

612
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: So like again, it goes back to you. You need

613
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,239
to do things in real life too.

614
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: But then you can make you can make the argument

615
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,000
that if everybody is public, I mean, can they come

616
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,840
after everybody?

617
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, who knows, that's a Pandora's box. I don't

618
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,760
know if I want to find out. Yeah, they could

619
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,599
certainly come after us one by one.

620
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah they could, But I mean they don't even have

621
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,480
the money, the funding to do that.

622
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

623
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: If a movement wins political power, it can do those

624
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,440
positive things it wants to do. Only then does it

625
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,920
have the power to protect its accomplishments. At the moment

626
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,880
a movement or party wins control of the state, its

627
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,280
worldview becomes the state, and its party becomes the nation.

628
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,559
The nation is not the sixty million people who live

629
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:33,519
in it. That is a confused mixture. One says yay,

630
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:36,639
the other says nay. That is not a nation. A

631
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:42,639
nation is characterized by consciousness. Instinct alone is not enough.

632
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,800
Only when I am aware that I am a member

633
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,280
of the nation, when I am consciously a German, do

634
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,159
I belong to the German people? The Great Elector did

635
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:55,199
not say they can remember that you are German. Rather,

636
00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,159
he said, consider well that you are German. Consideration is

637
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:03,559
at the level of consciousness. Such consciousness belongs to the

638
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:07,760
entire nation. Adolf Hitler rightly answered the Court and Munich

639
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,000
in this way when he was asked, how could you

640
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,960
think of establishing a dictatorship over sixty million with such

641
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,280
a tiny minority. His reply, if an entire people vulk

642
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,480
has become cowardly, and there are only a thousand left

643
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,840
who want something great and who have to and who

644
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,400
have the power to transform the state, then those thousand

645
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:33,000
are the people. If the others let a minority conquer

646
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:35,519
the state, then they must also accept the fact that

647
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,199
we will establish a dictatorship.

648
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:40,639
Speaker 2: Powerful, prescient.

649
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same is true of a movement. If a

650
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,639
movement has the strength to take over the state, then

651
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:52,199
it has the power to transform the state. I am

652
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,760
the last to complain that the Marxists rule us today.

653
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,000
As long as we do not have the strength to

654
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,119
overcome them, they have the political right to rule us.

655
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Oh he's so good, he is so good. Oh man,

656
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:13,039
Oh it's just it's true, and it's meant to piss

657
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,519
you off at the same time. Oh, it's so good.

658
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,159
As long as we do not have the strength to

659
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,199
overcome them, they have the political right to rule us.

660
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,000
I am surprised how little they use that right. I

661
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,320
would do things differently. That is their tragic misunderstanding of

662
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,039
their own worldview. I do not complain that the gentlemen

663
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,039
of the Berlin Police use their power against us, only

664
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,639
that they call themselves democrats and claim that they allow

665
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,000
freedom of thought and of speech. That is nonsense, That

666
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,639
is lying, hypocrisy, For in truth, these gentlemen are dictators.

667
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,480
If a movement has the strength to take over government

668
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,639
positions of power, then it has the right to form

669
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,119
the government as it wishes. Anyone who disagrees. As a

670
00:41:56,159 --> 00:42:01,519
foolish theoretician, politics is got or not by moral principles,

671
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,960
but by power. If a movement conquers a state, it

672
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,280
has the right to form the state. You can see

673
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,639
how these three elements combine ideals and personalities. The idea

674
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,400
leads to a worldview, the worldviews of the state. The

675
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,360
individual becomes a party, the party becomes the nation. Have

676
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,960
you noticed he repeats certain sentences over.

677
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:27,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, a little practical application.

678
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: The important thing is not to find people who agree

679
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,119
with me but every theoretical by with every agree with

680
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:39,400
me about every theoretical John's Hittle, But rather that I

681
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,559
find people who are willing to fight with me for

682
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:45,119
a worldview, winning people over to something that I have

683
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:50,400
recognized as right. That is what we call propaganda. At first,

684
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,199
there is knowledge. It uses propaganda to find the manpower

685
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:58,679
that will transform knowledge into politics. Propaganda stands between the

686
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,880
idea and the worldview, between the worldview and the state,

687
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,400
between the individual and the party, between the party and

688
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,039
the nation. That's so good he explains it. I mean,

689
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,719
he explains it that I've read Brenees extensively, and he

690
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,599
explains it so much better than Brenees because Brenees is

691
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:18,280
always hiding.

692
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nope, this is pretty pretty clear cut. Like

693
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,519
whatever your revolutionary process is, propaganda is in between all

694
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:33,800
of the steps in those processes makes sense to me.

695
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: At the moment at which I recognized something as important

696
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,519
and begin speaking about it in the streetcar, I begin

697
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,519
making propaganda at the same time I begin looking for

698
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,800
other people to join me. Propaganda stands between the one

699
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,400
and the many, between the idea and the worldview. There,

700
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,800
he is repeating himself again, Propaganda is nothing other than

701
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,199
the forerunners to organization. Once it has done this, it

702
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,679
is the forerunner to state control. It is is always

703
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,800
a means to an end.

704
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, he asked the question earlier. Is propaganda a means

705
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,480
or is it an end? And answers it here.

706
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,119
Speaker 1: Although I must hold unshakably and unalterably to the idea,

707
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,000
propaganda adjusts itself to the prevailing conditions.

708
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:21,079
Speaker 2: Let me ask you again, Yeah, do you think our

709
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,360
current rulers view propaganda as a means or an end?

710
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: At this point? I think it's an end. Yeah, that's yeah,

711
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,360
it's too it's too clumsy.

712
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

713
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: There's nothing. There's rarely anything manipulative about it. It's more

714
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,599
like we know that there is a certain group that

715
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:50,920
when we say this, they're going to believe it no

716
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,519
matter what, and all we care about is that group.

717
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the constant positive reinforcement that you are on the

718
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,000
right side of history, that you are that you are

719
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,519
are a good person, that you are normal, that what

720
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:10,400
you're doing is acceptable. I think that that's that's fuel

721
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,679
for people to go throughout life. Now, I think if

722
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,519
you took that away from a large portion of the population,

723
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:21,360
they would go insane. If you cut off their serotonin drip,

724
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,280
which is delivered via propaganda, they would literally go insane.

725
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,639
They would fall into a depression.

726
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are people on I mean that that is

727
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,559
what ex twitter is or whatever they're calling it now

728
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,000
is I mean it is is literally somebody's probably the

729
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:41,559
serotonin drip. Yeah, they're just waiting.

730
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: It is the and I I think if if Garbels

731
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,400
wasn't German, he could articulate it this way. But the

732
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:57,760
the constant affirmation, like that's that's the serotonin drip, just

733
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,440
just chasing after affirmation, and in particular that's you know,

734
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:05,800
the e thoughts and just I guess women in general

735
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,599
are more susceptible to that in my experience, but also

736
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:10,800
I guess young men as well.

737
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: Although I must hold unshakably, unalterably to the idea Propaganda

738
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,079
adjust itself to the prevailing conditions. Propaganda is always flexible.

739
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,920
It says different things here than it does there. It

740
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,639
cannot be polished, laminated, and stuffed. Rather, it must occupy

741
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,519
the space between the one and the many good sentence there.

742
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:35,840
I talk differently on the streetcar with a conductor than

743
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,400
I do with a businessman. If I did not, the

744
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,039
businessman would think I was crazy, and the streetcar conductor

745
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:45,000
would not understand me. I remember, I forget who said

746
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,079
it that. Whatever Ron Paul, If Ron Paul spoke to

747
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,639
like college kids, or he spoke to like a group

748
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:56,159
of Muslims, he always delivered the same message.

749
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Would that be to his fault? Or was he just

750
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:00,519
that good?

751
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: Oh? I mean, well, I don't know. I mean, I

752
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,880
love Ron Paul, but really what did he change? I

753
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,559
mean he, I guess there are some things he changed.

754
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,199
I guess you would say that he paved the way

755
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:11,760
for Trump.

756
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that would be. That's how I

757
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,679
would characterize his accomplishments too. Is he definitely planted a

758
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,920
dissonance seed that didn't really grow until Trump, and then

759
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,199
it grew exponentially.

760
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, very fast, very fast. If I did not the

761
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,159
businessman would think I was crazy, and the street car

762
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,719
conductor would not understand me. That means propaganda cannot be limited.

763
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,239
It changes according to whom I am trying to reach.

764
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,400
Let me tell you a story about a party member

765
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,440
in Berlin who since nineteen nineteen has promoted the national

766
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,199
Socialist idea. At first he beat his head bloody against

767
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:54,280
a wall which he wants to avoid. He began by

768
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,400
distributing the wildest anti Semitic publications on the street. He

769
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,920
knew it was bad stuff, but there was nothing better,

770
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:08,679
so he read that book. He knew it was bad stuff,

771
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,920
but there was nothing better, so he read these books

772
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,800
or newspapers in the subway. Everyone could see that he

773
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,159
was a harmless crank. And when he stood up and

774
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,119
left his newspapers behind, someone regularly would say, sir, take

775
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,920
your newspaper along with you. He would angrily take his

776
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,679
paper and leave it with a conductor, saying here German brother,

777
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:29,280
and the conductor certainly thought he came from the nuthouse.

778
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: Many such cases.

779
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: Did you hear that somebody walked up to Dave Smith

780
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:41,320
at the Libertarian National Convention in a thong? A guy

781
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,199
walked up in a thong and wanted to debate him

782
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,800
on borders.

783
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: I again, I I believe that wholeheartedly.

784
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean put it this way. If somebody walks up

785
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,599
to you, a guy walks up to you in a thong, you,

786
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,719
I don't care who you are. You immediately believe in borders. Yeah,

787
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,559
you believe there should be a border between you and

788
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:10,400
that person. I don't care who you are.

789
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: Vigorously enforced.

790
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: He gradually realized that the methods that worked with friends

791
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,280
and comrades did not work with strangers. In other words,

792
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,159
there is no abc of propaganda. One can make propaganda

793
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,000
or one cannot. Propaganda is an art. Any reasonably normal

794
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,440
person can learn to play the violins with a certain degree.

795
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:33,960
But then his teacher will say, this is as far

796
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,760
as it goes. Only a genius can learn what remains.

797
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,440
You are not a genius, so be content with what

798
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,440
you have learned. Yes, I can, certainly.

799
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody has a maximum potential, especially in the time

800
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,360
that we're in right now. Recognizing that when somebody has

801
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,159
met their maximum potential and maybe doesn't have a whole

802
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:57,079
lot to offer anymore, that's part and parcel.

803
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: I can certainly teach any reasonable person the absolute basics

804
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,239
of propaganda, but I will soon recognize the limits. One

805
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,960
is either a propagandist or one is not. It is

806
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,519
wrong to look down on a propagandists. There are people

807
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:14,480
who say a propagandast is merely a good drummer. This

808
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:18,280
displays a certain envy and lack of ability. They are

809
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,079
mostly mediocre philosophers whom the masses ignore. You have seen

810
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,920
often enough. No one can deny it that our movement

811
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,239
has good speakers. Since our opponents do not have good speakers,

812
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,599
they say, well, they are only good drummers. Hitler was

813
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:35,159
called the drummer of National Unity for five years. When

814
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:37,559
they realize that this drummer had ideas that didn't fit

815
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,280
into their way of thinking, he was suddenly a crazy

816
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,760
politician who had to be dealt with. It is foolish

817
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,840
to look down on propagandists. The propagandist has a certain

818
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,440
role within the party. It is good for our young

819
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:54,480
movement that we are young and lacking in really great leaders,

820
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,360
though naturally not in comparison to other parties. The great

821
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,559
leaders we have cannot stick to a particular area, but

822
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,599
must be able to do everything. They must be propaganda's

823
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,920
organizers' speed, speakers, writers, et cetera. They must be an

824
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:15,280
organ They must be able to get along with the people,

825
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:19,239
find money, write articles, and a lot more. That is

826
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,119
why it is wrong to say that Hitler is merely

827
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,639
a drummer. That is what is great about him and

828
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,800
what separates him from everyone else. He is a politician

829
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,119
and also a propagandist. While the leaders of other parties

830
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:34,280
understand neither politics nor propaganda. You can see how propaganda

831
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,480
relates to the worldview and to the organization. After we

832
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,679
have finished the hard work of moving the idea and

833
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,199
the worldview from the individuals to the masses, propaganda has

834
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,880
the task of taking the knowledge of the mass and

835
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,239
enabling it to take over the state.

836
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:53,199
Speaker 2: So when I read this, my first thought was, we

837
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:59,960
have the opposite problem. Now even the lowliest freshman senator

838
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:10,800
has a a an overabundance of knowledge of propaganda. And

839
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,119
it's to the point now where if you're above a

840
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:19,039
certain i Q, it just nothing resonates, which is a

841
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,440
good and bad I guess.

842
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the another problem we have

843
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:28,440
is is that we have a lot of propagandas out there.

844
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:29,960
And but.

845
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all trades.

846
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Brene said that, you know, you you

847
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,280
wanted the the best is educated just enough so that

848
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,559
they could understand propaganda. That's one of the that's that's

849
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,760
the problem we're at right now, is that we have

850
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:56,320
a populace that is educated just enough to understand propaganda.

851
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,880
And one thing that the enemy it has done well

852
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,320
is and I think this is done on purpose. And

853
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,960
some of them are absolute agents. Is they put out

854
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:13,960
quote unquote right wing propaganda, propagandists who have very who

855
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:18,119
have big platforms. Yeah, but they're also gatekeeper. But they're gatekeepers.

856
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:22,920
They're they're meant to not make you notice or they're

857
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,400
made to not make you go too far to the right.

858
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I've been talking a lot about that on

859
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,960
my feed. I am just so disgusted with the last

860
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,840
couple of weeks and even with the last couple of months,

861
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,400
because it's you know, I I don't want to say

862
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,039
that our movement should be fractured, but there's definitely some

863
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:53,119
some house cleaning that needs to be done. And oh yeah,

864
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,280
everybody needs to be hyper aware of when they're being

865
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:56,880
gas lit.

866
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:03,519
Speaker 1: Yep. Let me give an example. What good would it

867
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,920
do if everything we know to be right stayed in

868
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:10,239
our few heads. The few would doubt the rightness of

869
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,480
the idea, since they would see that no one was

870
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,519
joining them. And if we do not have the people

871
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,559
from the lowliest essay man who distributes newspapers to the

872
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:22,920
best speaker or the leader of the party, all of

873
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,239
our lovely knowledge would be useless, for only we would

874
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,119
know it. The others would continue their nonsense, and the

875
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:32,079
German people, in the end would perish. And what does

876
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:38,159
this sound like? Propaganda is absolutely necessary, even if it

877
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,920
is only a means to an end. Otherwise the idea

878
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,920
could never take over the state. I must be able

879
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,719
to get what I think important across to many people.

880
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,960
The task of a gifted propagandist is to take that

881
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,880
which many have thought and put it in a way

882
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,960
that reaches everyone, from the educated to the common man.

883
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:58,039
You will all grant me this.

884
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 2: That you know to to apply that to you know

885
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,920
anything in this country. I think the perfect propagandists would

886
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,719
have to be personable and social, and that is an

887
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,760
increasing rarity nowadays. You know, able to carry a conversation

888
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,880
in real life, able to make whoever they're propagandaze and comfortable,

889
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,039
you know, like like we're having a casual conversation, but

890
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,559
I'm planting seeds in your head, you know what I mean.

891
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,880
I I think that that's an art that's becoming rarer

892
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,440
and rare, and maybe maybe maybe we'll be the last

893
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,800
generation that you know, still has a an aptitude for it,

894
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:47,760
you know, as as as the younger kids get alienated

895
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:52,159
more and more. That's it's almost by design.

896
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: You will all grant me this. And as further evidence,

897
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,599
I can recall a Hitler speech in Jenna. Half the

898
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:04,800
audience was or Marxists, half students and university professors. I

899
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,679
had a burning desire to speak with both elements. Afterwards,

900
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:10,320
I could see that the university professor and the average

901
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,239
man had understood what Hitler said. That is the greatness

902
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,639
of our movement that it can use language to reach

903
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:19,119
the broad masses. Of course, the style will vary according

904
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:22,239
to the speaker. It would be a big mistake to

905
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,719
expect everyone to treat the idea in the same way,

906
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:27,480
for as great as it is, so different are the

907
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:31,360
individuals who are to be reached by it. You will

908
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,760
surely hear some people say that they like one speaker

909
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,880
while others prefer another. It would be a mistake to

910
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,920
try to make the soft spoken speaker into a thundering orator,

911
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,559
or a thundering orator into a soft spoken chap. Neither

912
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,719
would accomplish anything. The soft spoken speaker would never reach

913
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,159
the heart no matter how hard he tried, nor would

914
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,880
the thundering orator succeed in speaking quietly. Everyone would go

915
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,880
home dissatisfied. The bigger our movement gets, the more kinds

916
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,800
of people it can house, and each will reflect the

917
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,719
movement a little differently. No two things in God's world

918
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,039
are alike. Everything is a little different. Thus one person

919
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,119
reflects things differently than another.

920
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:14,519
Speaker 2: That's that max potential thing coming up again.

921
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,239
Speaker 1: As propaganda draws an ever growing following to the idea,

922
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,719
the idea broadens because it becomes more flexible. It no

923
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,639
longer stays in a few heads, but wants to include everything.

924
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,239
At that moment, it becomes a comprehensive program. We can

925
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,079
happily see that that in the case in our movement.

926
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,840
You will never find millions of people willing to die

927
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,119
for a book, but millions of people are willing to

928
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:41,840
die for a gospel. And our movement is becoming more

929
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,519
and more a gospel. All that we have comes to know,

930
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:48,760
all that we have come to know in our individual

931
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,719
lives is joining to form a great faith that lives

932
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,800
unshakably in our hearts. Each of us is willing, if necessary,

933
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,800
to give his all for it. No one is willing

934
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,519
to die for the eight hour day. People are willing

935
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:04,519
to die so that so Germans will be so that

936
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,840
Germany will belong to Germans. What Adolf Hitler?

937
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: What nobody's willing to die for an eight hour day? That?

938
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:18,559
I don't know if that that applies to nowadays. Yeah,

939
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,800
just want a grill man.

940
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,039
Speaker 1: But people are willing to die so that Germany will

941
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:27,639
belong to the Germans. What Adolf Hitler prophesied in nineteen

942
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,119
nineteen is becoming clearer every day, freedom and prosperity. The

943
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:35,519
movement is increasingly freeing itself from the all, from the

944
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:39,559
all to human and becoming a powerful force. The time

945
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:42,079
is coming when people will not ask us what we

946
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,880
think about the eight hour day, but rather when Germany

947
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,840
is seized with desperation, they will ask can you give

948
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us fit back? Faith? If a movement has brought the

949
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,480
idea from the individual to a worldview building in the

950
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:57,599
end a clear gospel for which each is ready to die.

951
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,960
That movement is near victory. That does not happen in

952
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,159
the study, but rather in battle, in bitter battle, each day,

953
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,559
with the enemy bringing him to see how he has

954
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:10,360
led the nation down the wrong path. I must say

955
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,679
that I learned the most from reading the Berlin or

956
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,199
Taja Blat, a newspaper hostel to the Nazis. That is

957
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,199
a fine example of the Jews at work. From the

958
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:25,039
Jewish standpoint, I've never noted a single mistake, whereas the

959
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,199
nationalist papers make mistakes all the time.

960
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: Huh.

961
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,519
Speaker 1: It's like it's like your enemy understands you better than

962
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:35,320
you understand your enemy. That's not good.

963
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah.

964
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: I now want to outline the essential characteristics of propaganda.

965
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:48,599
We have already agreed that propaganda is not an end

966
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:52,079
in itself, but it means to an end. Its task

967
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:54,840
is to spread the knowledge of national socialism to the

968
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,840
people or to a part of the people. If propaganda

969
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,760
does that, it is good. If not, it is bad.

970
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:04,840
The German nationalists claim that Hitler's propaganda before nine November

971
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,760
nineteen twenty three was too loud, too noisy too popular.

972
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,920
Hitlary replied, Munich must become national socialists. If I achieved that,

973
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,719
my propaganda will have been good. If I had wanted

974
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,440
to make you happy, it would have been bad, but

975
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:24,159
that was not my intention. You cannot evaluate propaganda in

976
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:26,519
mid course, but rather you have to wait until it

977
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:30,559
reaches as Samaker's goal. You cannot say that our propaganda

978
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:33,360
was wrong because the government banned it. That is false

979
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,599
under Jewish police officials. Our propaganda would be wrong if

980
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,280
it were not banned. For that means it would be hard.

981
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:46,280
For that means it would be harmless. The fact that it, Yeah,

982
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:48,960
the fact that it is banned is the best evidence

983
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,920
that we are dangerous. If the ban is lifted, Do

984
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:53,880
not come to me and say that the Jew has

985
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,360
seen the air of his ways. It will be lifted

986
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,199
when the Jew sees that it is not achieving his purpose.

987
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,480
You can say what you want. The Jew will put

988
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,280
away his dagger only when he sees that it is

989
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,199
better not to use it against the propaganda method, or

990
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:11,880
when he sees that the dagger has already done its duty.

991
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ah. Another salient point. If you're you know,

992
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:22,400
if if you're not getting banned. If you're not getting

993
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:28,039
put on a list, if you're not getting punished in

994
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:32,159
some way, shape or form, then you're not saying anything

995
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,760
that's that's in any way a threat.

996
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was at an event, small event a couple

997
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:48,559
of weeks ago, and somebody told me that Tim Poole

998
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:54,000
was a dissonant. And I didn't laugh. All I said.

999
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:58,280
All I asked was do dissonance make a million dollars

1000
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:58,719
a month?

1001
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good metric.

1002
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what income bracket?

1003
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:07,599
Speaker 2: What? What tax bracket? Is the in?

1004
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1005
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: And no answer the Well I think. Uh. A good

1006
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,599
thing to promulgate nowadays is that the methods with which

1007
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:26,000
bands are are dolled out is via algorithm. So if

1008
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:30,440
you can find a way to hack that, and you

1009
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:36,000
know what, whether it's via the language or more more

1010
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:40,400
technical methods, UH, use that too if you can. If

1011
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,199
you can pierce pierce through the uh the safety mechanism,

1012
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,000
do it I have. I'll tell you right now. I

1013
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:51,000
use a text obfuscator. Just google text obfuscator, then type

1014
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,679
in whatever you want and uh you can even change

1015
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,800
the letters come out in some weird script, but uh,

1016
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,159
you can change the letters to look normal. And it's

1017
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:02,119
so far, so good. I've never even gotten a warning.

1018
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:04,719
And I pulled some pretty handoush shit.

1019
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: You do I like it?

1020
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I've gotten banned off Twitter five times,

1021
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:14,119
like five new accounts. And I've had this one for

1022
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:18,719
a while now, and it's I credit the text Ofuscator.

1023
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,119
Speaker 1: All right. Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not

1024
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:27,880
a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners.

1025
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,880
It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct.

1026
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:34,199
I do not care if I give wonderful, esthetically elegant

1027
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:41,559
speeches or speak so that women cry. Sometimes the point

1028
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:44,079
of a political speech is to persuade people of what

1029
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,440
we think. Right. I speak differently in the provinces than

1030
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,800
I do in Berlin, And when I speak in Bayruth,

1031
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,119
I think that's Beruth. I say different things than I

1032
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:56,679
say in the forest hall a meeting hall. The nazis

1033
01:03:56,719 --> 01:03:59,400
often used in Berlin. That is a matter of practice,

1034
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,960
not of theory. We do not want to be a

1035
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,039
movement of a few strawbrains, but rather a movement that

1036
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:10,559
can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not

1037
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,960
intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to

1038
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,360
discover intellectual truths. I found them by thinking or at

1039
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,599
my desk anywhere, but in a meeting hall that is

1040
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:23,360
where I transmit them. I did not enter the meeting

1041
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,480
hall to discover intellectual truths, but to persuade others of

1042
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:30,119
what I think to be right. I learned methods there

1043
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:32,719
that I can use to reach others with what I

1044
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,559
have found to be right. The speaker of propagandists must

1045
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:38,719
first understand the idea. He cannot do that in the

1046
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:43,239
middle of making propaganda. He must start with it. Through

1047
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,360
daily contact with the masses, he learns how to communicate

1048
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,039
that idea. It is not the task of propaganda to

1049
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:53,119
discover knowledge, but to transmit knowledge. It must adjust to

1050
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,719
those it wishes to reach with that knowledge. The propagandas's

1051
01:04:56,719 --> 01:05:00,199
speeches or posters that are aimed at farmers will be

1052
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:03,760
different than those aimed at employers. Those aimed at doctors

1053
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,719
will be different than those aimed at patients. He will

1054
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,119
adjust as propaganda to fit those he is speaking to.

1055
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,239
You can see that all the critical standards used by

1056
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,920
other parties to evaluate propaganda miss the point, and that

1057
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,079
most complaints about the NSCAP is propaganda result from a

1058
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:22,840
false understanding of propaganda. If someone tells me your propaganda

1059
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,480
has no civilized standards, I know there is no point

1060
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:31,159
in even talking to him. It makes no difference. If

1061
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:34,280
propaganda's at a high level. The question is whether it

1062
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,239
reaches goal. My first goal when I came to Berlin

1063
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,199
was to make the city aware of us. They could

1064
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:42,400
love us or hate us, as long as they knew

1065
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,559
who we were. We have reached that goal.

1066
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:45,679
Speaker 2: He's a wrestling heel.

1067
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,159
Speaker 1: We have reached that goal. We are hated and loved.

1068
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,280
When someone hears the term national socialists, he does not

1069
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,519
ask what is that. Once we have reached a first goal,

1070
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,920
we can work on turning hate to life and love

1071
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,440
to hate, but never to indifference. The battle against indifference

1072
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:10,760
is the hardest battle. That's I mean, it's so true. Yeah,

1073
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,840
it's just so true.

1074
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:16,599
Speaker 2: If you can evoke an emotional response, what what that

1075
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:22,480
emotion is doesn't matter. It's it's in their heads, and

1076
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:24,639
there may be sometimes you can get people to do

1077
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:26,079
your propaganizing for you.

1078
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if it's negative. Just by.

1079
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:36,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, your interactions with your detractors probably convert more people,

1080
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:39,760
you know, to to taking the next step and watching

1081
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,719
an episode when when you when you really hammer some

1082
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,880
dumb shit on X, like, that's probably just as effective

1083
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,480
at you know, getting them to the next level.

1084
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,199
Speaker 1: People will ask you if you're like arguing with an

1085
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:58,480
account that is like to say, why are you arguing

1086
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,440
with an account that has ten to followers. I'm not

1087
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:04,199
arguing with the account for the sake of the for

1088
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:08,360
the account with ten followers. I'm arguing with the account

1089
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:09,679
for the people who are watching.

1090
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm publicly crushing somebody that I know has a

1091
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:17,880
relatively common view and letting it be known to everybody

1092
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,800
that you know might be on the fence.

1093
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: You know, when you have thousands and thousands, tens of

1094
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:30,320
thousands of followers you have, there are followers who never comment.

1095
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:34,280
There are people who just lurk and they lark all day,

1096
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,800
never comment. That's who you're doing it for. Yep, you're

1097
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,760
doing it for the people who are watching what you're doing,

1098
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:47,519
who are watching your account. I hate when someone comes

1099
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:49,119
in and goes, why are you arguing with them? Why

1100
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:51,920
do you keep retweeting them? Why do you keep retweeting me?

1101
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,440
I only have ten followers?

1102
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:54,199
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1103
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,199
Speaker 1: Shut up, Yeah, shut up.

1104
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 2: If you can get a couple of people to dip

1105
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,280
their toe on the water, then take it from there.

1106
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: Just why am I retweeting account with ten followers? Just

1107
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,559
be a useful idiot and just let me retweet your account. Yep,

1108
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,119
the battle. There may be two million people in this

1109
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:21,680
city who hate my guts, who persecute and slander me.

1110
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:24,039
But I know that I can win over some of them.

1111
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:27,359
We know that from experience. Some of those who persecuted

1112
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,680
us and fought most bitterly against us are today our

1113
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,960
most determined supporters. You see that the important thing for

1114
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,199
propaganda is that it reached its goal, and that it

1115
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,640
is a mistake to apply critical standards that are irrelevant.

1116
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:43,840
Let me give another example. If someone asked me what

1117
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,880
I think of another person, is it's silly for me

1118
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,039
to say I like him, but he cannot play the piano.

1119
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,760
The answer will be, so what, he's a corporate lawyer.

1120
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,159
Why don't you see if he is good at what

1121
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:57,239
he does. That is a good answer, and it applies

1122
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:02,680
just as well to propaganda. Our propaganda follows a clear line.

1123
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,600
Adolf Hitler once told me that it is not necessary

1124
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,479
to give a programmatic speech to a public meeting. The

1125
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,600
public meeting requires the most primitive approach. If the fine

1126
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,119
gentleman say, you're only a propagandist, the answer is this.

1127
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,560
Was Christ any different? Did he not make more? But

1128
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,239
did he not make propaganda? Did he write books? Or

1129
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,319
did he preach? Was Mohammed any different? Did he write

1130
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,680
learned essays or did he go to the people and

1131
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,159
say what he wanted to say? Were not Buddha and

1132
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:34,399
Zarathustra propagandas true? The philosophers of the French Revolution built

1133
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:38,840
their intellectual foundations. But who got things moving? Robes, Pierre

1134
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,800
Danton and the others. Did these men write books? Or

1135
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,239
did they speak in popular meetings? Look around today? Is

1136
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:48,640
Mussol anymore an author or a great speaker? When Lenin

1137
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,760
took the train from Zurich to Petersburg, did he repair,

1138
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,840
did he repair to his study and write a book?

1139
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:59,039
Or did he speak to thousands? Fascism and Bolshevism were

1140
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:01,880
built by great speakers, by masters of the spoken word.

1141
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:04,720
There is no difference between the politician and the speaker.

1142
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:09,640
History proves that great politicians were always great speakers. Napoleon Caesar,

1143
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:14,119
Alexander Muzzolini, Lenin name whomever you want. They were all

1144
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:18,560
great speakers and great organizers. If a person combines rhetorical talent,

1145
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,640
organizational ability, and philosophical ability, if he has the ability

1146
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,279
to transmit knowledge and to gather people under his banner,

1147
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,239
then he is a brilliant statesman.

1148
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:28,239
Speaker 2: Yep.

1149
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,199
Speaker 1: And that's why we don't have any statesmen. We don't.

1150
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:40,039
You know who that is right there right now, Kelly, Yeah, yep, yeah,

1151
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,600
and really yeah, and really he is, like his philosophical

1152
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,560
ability is I mean, it really comes it comes out

1153
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,680
more when he's questioned.

1154
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:55,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, especially by a hostile party.

1155
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1156
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: He is the master of replying to his detractors and

1157
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:10,560
just strengthening himself. Yeah, there's a Massachusetts representative that you

1158
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,880
just got btfo' by bou Kelly.

1159
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that.

1160
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,079
Speaker 2: Something about like moving, like relocating a painting in an airport.

1161
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,680
He's like, yeah, we moved it two feet and like

1162
01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:25,640
shut up.

1163
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, laconic laconic phrases. All right, if someone tells

1164
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,479
me today you're a demagogue, I answer him in this way.

1165
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,840
Demagoguy in the good sense is simply the ability to

1166
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,439
get the masses to understand what I want them to understand.

1167
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:44,920
Of course, I can adjust to the feelings of the

1168
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,359
broad masses, which is demagogy in the in the bad sense.

1169
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:51,439
Then I changed not only the form of what I say,

1170
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,560
but also the content. You cannot tell me that things

1171
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:00,359
have changed. Formerly, speakers built movements. Today we live in

1172
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:02,680
the age of the press, and it is the writers

1173
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:07,000
who are influential. This theory is obviously false. Of course

1174
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,399
the press is important, but if you examine well written editorials,

1175
01:12:10,399 --> 01:12:14,159
they turn out to be speeches in disguise. The Marxist

1176
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,880
did not win through their editorials, but rather because each

1177
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,840
Marxist editorial was a little propaganda speech. They were written

1178
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,039
by agitators. They sat in their offices or in their

1179
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:29,119
smoke filled bars, writing not elegant, intellectual and polished essays,

1180
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but rather brutal, direct words with the average which the

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average man understand.

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Speaker 2: We have a litany of those right now, But all

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I can think of is BuzzFeed Except wait, what did

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he say? They were written by agitators, they sat in

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their offices or in their cum filled rooms.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, probably do have some great propaganda's coomers, yea, that

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is why the masses devoured the Red press. We must

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01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:11,720
learn from their example. Marxism did not win because it

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had great profits. They had none. Marxism won because its

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nonsense was promoted by agitators of the ability of August,

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August Bebel and Lenin. They led Marxism to victory. If

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the Vulcish movement had had such agitators at its disposal,

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its stronger intellectual foundations would surely have let it to victory.

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Some critics complain, all you do is criticize. You only complain.

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You can't do things any better yourselves. Does this sound

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familiar at all? As anybody ever said that to you?

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Love it like once a day? Once a day. Others

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say that the Angriff Girbls newspaper in Berlin is entirely negative.

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Say something positive for a change. Well, I am not

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in a position to say anything positive about Isidore weis,

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,760
the Jewish Vice chief of police in Berlin and a

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01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,239
regular Girbls target. I can only be negative, and there

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01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:11,079
is nothing positive I can say about the Republic. There

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01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:14,359
is nothing positive about it. I can say something positive

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only when I eliminate the negative. The most brilliant statementsman

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01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,880
on earth could do nothing with this Republic and Marxism

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,439
preached only the negative for sixty years. The result was

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that it took over the state eighth on ninth November

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nineteen eighteen. Hitler once said, keep those no at alls

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,720
who always want to do something positive away from me.

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We could do something positive only when we have first

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gotten rid of the negative. A leader does not emerge

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from a conference table. He develops from the masses.

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Speaker 2: And the.

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01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,119
Speaker 1: More a true leader rises from the masses, the more

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01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:53,560
he draws the masses to him. The mass is the weak, cowardly,

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,800
lazy majority of people. One can never entirely win the

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,920
broad mass. The best elements from the mass must be

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01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:05,520
put in a form where they can be victorious. That

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,560
is the task of a brilliant mind. Yep, we thank fate. Yeah, crucible,

1221
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,720
we thank fate that it has given us one of

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01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,640
these minds, a mind superior to all others, whom we

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,439
willingly serve. That is to prove that we will win

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,520
if others find their wisdom and majority rule. But a

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,359
movement is led by one person, that movement will win

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01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,279
when it wins. Is when it wins is irrelevant. It

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01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:35,039
will win because that is the way things are look

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01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:37,840
around as much as you want, you will everywhere see

1229
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:43,640
our movements, intellectual foundations. The task of the leaders and

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,600
the followers is to drive this knowledge ever deeper into

1231
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,479
the hearts of our shattered nation. Each must make that clear,

1232
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,640
Each must think things through. Everything we do must be clear.

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01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:58,800
We will never give up. If everything is clear. One

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,039
does not have to be an outstand speaker. If he

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01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:03,119
can say it all in a few words, he is

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01:16:03,119 --> 01:16:06,359
a propagandist. If we have an army of such propagandas

1237
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,319
from the littlest to the fear himself, and if each

1238
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:14,680
spreads our crystal clear knowledge to the masses, the day

1239
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,680
will come which our worldview takes over the state, when

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01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,960
our organization seizes the reigns of power, When we will

1241
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,359
know when we are no longer members of a slave colony,

1242
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,520
but rather citizens of a political state that we ourselves

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,880
have formed. That is our task on this planet to

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,159
create the foundation on which our people can live. When

1245
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:39,880
we do that, the nation will create works of culture

1246
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:44,159
that will endure the eons, endure for eons in world's history.

1247
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:50,399
Speaker 2: All right, I agree with everything you said.

1248
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: Really, is there anything Is there anything in there that

1249
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:57,840
that you so Combridge with.

1250
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 2: Quibbles here and there. It's h yeah was uh? Was?

1251
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Was Gebels Catholic?

1252
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:11,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was?

1253
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 2: I don't know how whatever, some weird offshoot of Protestantism.

1254
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:20,199
Speaker 1: Is that what it says?

1255
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't know.

1256
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was early life. Both of his parents

1257
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were Roman Catholics with modest family backgrounds. Yeah. What's funny

1258
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,520
is Gerbels does definitely look German, but he could also

1259
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like pass for Sicilian.

1260
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks a little bit too self German.

1261
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:51,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, South Italian, south of the boot like way south.

1262
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean when when I read this, all I

1263
01:17:54,279 --> 01:17:56,199
could think is, wow, we have a we have a

1264
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:56,960
long way to go.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know. And it's also one of the problems

1266
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with having people who are a little too smart yep,

1267
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,920
because it's like, okay, so if you speak in very

1268
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,560
plain language, if you use propaganda, that is what does

1269
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,119
someone tell me today it was what you just posted

1270
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was rage bait. I don't think what I posted was

1271
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,000
rage bait. I am well, I mean it may have been.

1272
01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:34,600
I don't know. You tell me. Is it propaganda? I'll

1273
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:40,680
find it. I mean it's yeah, I get accused of

1274
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,159
that all the time. But I think you know, when

1275
01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:46,279
you're talking about when you're talking about power and really

1276
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:49,439
how how power is supposed to work and how power

1277
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:57,479
will actually work, then you know it's it. Yeah. So

1278
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,640
Jake Shields, you know, Jake Fields, m me guy yep. Yeah,

1279
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:08,239
and and huge noticer Yeah he said, Uh, I guess

1280
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:10,800
speaking about Trump, he said, conservatives try to be fair,

1281
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,560
while liberals imprison their political rivals at all costs. This

1282
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,520
is why conservatives always lose. They need to learn to

1283
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,880
fight dirty or keep on losing. This isn't how America

1284
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,479
should be. But I don't see any other alternative. Yeah,

1285
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,199
and my but.

1286
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:31,279
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a natural proclivity of you know,

1287
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:36,279
your your garden variety conservative to respect legitimate authority. And

1288
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,039
you know, the the courthouse yesterday was a legitimate authority.

1289
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And that's why today there's no demonstrations. There's just you know,

1290
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:51,399
Fox News panelist screaming into the TV and uh, you

1291
01:19:51,399 --> 01:19:52,920
know a bunch of people mad online.

1292
01:19:54,279 --> 01:19:57,359
Speaker 1: What you needed to see today was a planned effort

1293
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:05,039
well in advance of Republican areas of people. Republican DA's

1294
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:12,039
things like people like that arresting Democrat politicians locally that's.

1295
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:15,199
Speaker 2: And you know what, like this has always been a possibility,

1296
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and then come July eleventh, during the sentencing, it is

1297
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,399
a possibility that he will go to jail, and then

1298
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:25,560
what like there's we're not even getting to the step

1299
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:32,920
that talks about organization, Like we're way so far removed

1300
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,199
from any type of will to activism or or or

1301
01:20:37,279 --> 01:20:41,239
anything like that. And because you're a fed now if

1302
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,880
you talk about that, you're fed, yeh. Which is why

1303
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:48,439
it's so important that there is a real life component

1304
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,039
that to meet people that you know, share a common

1305
01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:55,399
view with you and propagandae. You know that that might

1306
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:58,960
be done through propaganda, is a propaganda or it might

1307
01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:02,119
just be like, you know, you happen to meet somebody

1308
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:06,640
that has already been propagandized successfully and in whatever your

1309
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:13,600
worldview is. But go outside people banking, you go outside,

1310
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,680
go to the go to the bar, go to I

1311
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,520
don't know, like meet people in real people.

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01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: That's talks with people. So my response, my rage bait

1313
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,600
response as it was called was to Jake was politics

1314
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,279
as friend enemy, simple as how do you treat your

1315
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:35,439
enemies when you get power over them? And then in closed,

1316
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,840
I went, oh, but my morals, fuck your morals? They

1317
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:44,800
want you dead? Yeah, yep, I mean, is uh can

1318
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,159
that be considered hyperbolic? Very? Is it true?

1319
01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: Are are they willing to die for their morals? Because

1320
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,800
that's something we could work with, but we know that

1321
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:01,920
they're not, which is why they don't have any potential. Yeah,

1322
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:07,199
it's just it's just click it, man, they get ten

1323
01:22:07,239 --> 01:22:08,520
cents of click, just click.

1324
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anything else you got to say about this?

1325
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:19,520
Speaker 2: No, I'm just feeling particularly jaded. And yeah, I me

1326
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,239
and me and Bird just recorded an episode that we

1327
01:22:22,279 --> 01:22:25,279
don't really know if we should release because we spoke

1328
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,479
very frankly about some subjects that came up in this episode.

1329
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: Ah well, I mean if you don't really, if you

1330
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,119
don't release it, just please share it with me.

1331
01:22:37,319 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 2: Oh I will. Yeah, I'm sure Bird will have no

1332
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,279
problem with that. Okay, and then you release it because

1333
01:22:43,319 --> 01:22:43,840
I want to.

1334
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:51,560
Speaker 1: You gotta do your first btw A in what two years?

1335
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's coming anytime now. I think I'm going

1336
01:22:58,079 --> 01:23:03,319
to be a rebrand though, are you? Yeah? Rolling around ideas.

1337
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. It'd be good to see you

1338
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,039
putting out some material. I know you work your ass

1339
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:13,720
off though, so I guess we gave half the plugs

1340
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,880
already so you can finish doing whatever you're doing.

1341
01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at bt w

1342
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,239
A Underscore Returns and every week on Timeline Earth.

1343
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:31,159
Speaker 1: I love every time you said that every week, all right, Ben,

1344
01:23:31,239 --> 01:23:34,079
thank you, thank you for having me. Yep, of course