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Speaker 5: Hello everyone, great to have you here tonight. I'm Nick
Speaker 5: Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight our
Speaker 5: guest is Jay, and he joins us from New York
Speaker 5: State to share experiences for his life, beginning with a
Speaker 5: cylindrical craft above the trees during childhood and a blue
Speaker 5: light that flooded his family's home. Years later. His account
Speaker 5: includes a near death encounter with a vast golden lights,
Speaker 5: unexplained voices, geometric symbols, and more recently, his wife claims
Speaker 5: to be communicating teopathically with a mantislike entity known as Stella.
Speaker 5: Jay is up next, but first, if you enjoy a
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Speaker 5: is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Hey,
Speaker 5: welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Hi, it's nice to be here.
Speaker 5: It's great to have to do it, and you're coming
Speaker 5: to us from New York state.
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 5: Great stuff. Okay, Now, Jay, you have several experiences you're
Speaker 5: going to be sharing with us tonight. Would you like
Speaker 5: to start at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, all right. So I've lived most of my
Speaker 4: life in Troy, New York. I've had a lot of
Speaker 4: strange experiences, paranormal experiences, just stuff I don't know how
Speaker 4: to explain. But you know, my first sighting was maybe
Speaker 4: around six years old. I remember looking out of my
Speaker 4: window or my mom's window, in the second floor of
Speaker 4: the building that we lived at, seeing our backyard, and
Speaker 4: right behind our backyard there's a hill side that goes
Speaker 4: down to a creek and the hill goes back again
Speaker 4: on the other side, so it's all forested area. It's
Speaker 4: right up against the Oakwood Cemetery. And I remember we're
Speaker 4: seeing a cylindrical raft that is kind of copperish brown,
Speaker 4: and along the mid section of it was different colored lights,
Speaker 4: so there was yellow.
Speaker 1: And blue red.
Speaker 4: So, you know, that was my first experience and seeing
Speaker 4: something like that, being that young, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know what it was.
Speaker 4: I just you know, write it off whatever and move on.
Speaker 4: So but as time went on, my mom told me
Speaker 4: that I had been having night terrors when I was
Speaker 4: a kid, so I would wake up in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night screaming, with no apparent reason as to
Speaker 4: why I was doing that. Also with a history of
Speaker 4: migraines around that time, so nothing else really happened until
Speaker 4: around the age of thirteen. Around that time, I was
Speaker 4: living with my family in Lantenberg, and directly across from
Speaker 4: our house, there was a craft that lifted off of
Speaker 4: or from behind a commercial building that was across the
Speaker 4: street from our house. So from what my experience was,
Speaker 4: what I had seen was I remember being on the
Speaker 4: staircase and the house being completely bathed in a blue light.
Speaker 4: So my mother was downstairs looking out the bay window,
Speaker 4: you know, and my father was there as well, and
Speaker 4: they were asking, you know, what was that, you know,
Speaker 4: talking to each other because they weren't sure what it
Speaker 4: was either, you know, where the blue light was? My mom,
Speaker 4: you know, before that, you know, on accounts of my
Speaker 4: brother telling me, because I don't I don't remember it,
Speaker 4: but my brother told me that Mom had woken up
Speaker 4: because she thought it was morning time, that that's how
Speaker 4: bright the light was. So she went down to go
Speaker 4: make the coffee, and that's when she looked at the
Speaker 4: clock and realized that, I mean, it's not morning time
Speaker 4: nowhere near. So she that's when they started to question
Speaker 4: what was going on. But from my I only got
Speaker 4: to see the light, you know, sitting on the stairs,
Speaker 4: and then said that you know, I don't I don't
Speaker 4: want to deal with this, and then went back to sleep.
Speaker 4: So I went back to my bed to go to sleep.
Speaker 4: But from what my brother tells me is that they
Speaker 4: continued to watch the craft rise from from behind that
Speaker 4: building across the street into the sky until like the
Speaker 4: daylight hours came, so it had been a long time.
Speaker 4: He said that at some point that the cops had
Speaker 4: arrived and the police officers arrived and they talked to
Speaker 4: my mom about what was going on, and they weren't
Speaker 4: sure what it was either that was in the sky.
Speaker 4: So the next one would probably be you know, around
Speaker 4: the age of eighteen, I had a near death experience.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get into the specifics of how
Speaker 4: that happened, but I remember losing consciousness. So and then
Speaker 4: after I lost consciousness, the next thing I remember seeing
Speaker 4: was a really bright golden light as far as I
Speaker 4: can see in any direction. I couldn't see my hands,
Speaker 4: I couldn't see the nose on my face, I couldn't
Speaker 4: see anything but that gold light. You know, I was
Speaker 4: confused because I remembered what had happened before I was there,
Speaker 4: and I didn't understand how I got there or what
Speaker 4: was going on, you know, So I was very confused.
Speaker 4: So and as I was thinking about those things in
Speaker 4: my head, the corners of my vision started to get black,
Speaker 4: so it was like a pitch black on the corners.
Speaker 4: And then that the black on the corners continued to
Speaker 4: get larger in my field of view until I realized
Speaker 4: that what I was looking at was a giant golden circle.
Speaker 4: So and as I continue to look at it, you know, confused,
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what's going on, the circle seems
Speaker 4: to be getting smaller and smaller as time goes on,
Speaker 4: and then it disappears, and I'm just there in nothing.
Speaker 4: It was complete darkness, black, and I was there in
Speaker 4: the black for you know, maybe ten fifteen seconds before
Speaker 4: I was able to open my eyes. And I was
Speaker 4: aware and conscious the whole time. I was having that experience,
Speaker 4: all the way up past the time that I opened
Speaker 4: my eyes, you know, So That's part of the reason
Speaker 4: why I still remember it, which is, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of weird.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I thought about it a little bit as I've gotten older,
Speaker 4: you know, and I think that what I seen may
Speaker 4: have been the beginning, you know, it could have been
Speaker 4: the beginning of everything. There's the black which is the off,
Speaker 4: and the all light which is the on.
Speaker 1: So you have binary so zero's and ones.
Speaker 4: That maybe the foundation of reality itself that I've observed.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure sure, but that was my experience with that.
Speaker 4: So when I was twenty two, I had an incident
Speaker 4: where I was alone.
Speaker 1: In my house and I had work in the morning.
Speaker 4: It was a late night. I decided to go to sleep.
Speaker 4: When I laid my head down on the pillow, I
Speaker 4: heard two voices talking with each other in a language
Speaker 4: that I had never heard before. There was I kind
Speaker 4: of can recognize certain languages, like you know, French or
Speaker 4: German or Russian or Mandarin or this language. I just
Speaker 4: I couldn't put my finger on it, so, I mean
Speaker 4: it caught me by surprise. I lifted my head back
Speaker 4: up off the pillow and listened, and I didn't hear it.
Speaker 4: There was there was nothing there, so that I put
Speaker 4: my head back down on the pillow and I heard
Speaker 4: it again, took my head off the pillow. I didn't
Speaker 4: hear it. So I just moved my pillow to the
Speaker 4: other side of the bed, you know, and laid down
Speaker 4: and I didn't hear it anymore. So I went about
Speaker 4: my business, went back to sleep, and when about going
Speaker 4: to work the next morning. So around the age of
Speaker 4: twenty one, I had an incident where I felt like
Speaker 4: there was a presence in the apartment building that I
Speaker 4: was at. This is well after my ND So the
Speaker 4: feelings I get it's kind of weird. It's like if
Speaker 4: you leave a television on and it's a black screen.
Speaker 4: There's no sound or you know, image on it.
Speaker 1: It's just black screen.
Speaker 4: There's this I don't know energy sound, I don't know
Speaker 4: how to describe it, just a feeling that comes with that.
Speaker 4: I've also there's a similar feeling when I listened to
Speaker 4: like a nineteen thousand hurts on a speaker, So I
Speaker 4: get that same kind of feeling. But in any case,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that may have something to do
Speaker 4: with these entities, you know, and they're whatever energy or
Speaker 4: vibration that they have whenever they're around, it gives off
Speaker 4: that frequency. There's also a Doppler effect with that, so
Speaker 4: you know, if they were to walk in front of something,
Speaker 4: that energy kind of gets muffled down and I can
Speaker 4: you know, there's like a shift there. But in any case,
Speaker 4: I had this experience where, you know, I was in
Speaker 4: the building, nobody else was there, and I felt it
Speaker 4: moving around and I called it out, and you know,
Speaker 4: I let it know. I said, hey, you know, I
Speaker 4: know you're there. I know you're there walking around. I
Speaker 4: don't know what you're doing or why you're there, but
Speaker 4: I know you're there. And as soon as I said it, man,
Speaker 4: this thing it got in my face. It felt like
Speaker 4: it was nose to nose with me. The energy was
Speaker 4: off the charts, you know, and it made me feel
Speaker 4: uncomfortable just how close it was to me, to.
Speaker 1: The point where I had to leave.
Speaker 4: I left the building and did some other things, and
Speaker 4: then eventually came back and I didn't feel it again,
Speaker 4: so which is nice, because you know, i'd have to
Speaker 4: move if I just kept feeling that feeling is it
Speaker 4: was that uncomfortable, right, So the next experience I would
Speaker 4: have had was probably in twenty twenty two or I
Speaker 4: was I was having an existential crisis where I felt
Speaker 4: as though that we were just meat machines, just computers,
Speaker 4: you know, and that when we cease to exist, we
Speaker 4: cease to exist. And it was it was really bothering me.
Speaker 4: I was having panic attacks, you know, high anxiety for
Speaker 4: a couple of days. So on the second day, you know,
Speaker 4: I was getting ready to go to sleep and lay down,
Speaker 4: and I was, I having a whole lot of problems
Speaker 4: with it, a lot of anxiety. For one of the
Speaker 4: few times in my life, I prayed in my head
Speaker 4: and I said, God, please take this this pain away
Speaker 4: from me. You know, maybe there's certain things that I
Speaker 4: shouldn't know, or maybe you know, I shouldn't look into this.
Speaker 1: But that night, after I did that, I went to sleep.
Speaker 4: While I was sleep and I had a dream that
Speaker 4: was it was a very vivid dream that maybe an abduction.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, you mean, it could be a screen
Speaker 4: memory placed on so but in any case, the dream
Speaker 4: goes that I was I was standing behind a white
Speaker 4: sprinter like van that the doors open up sideways. To
Speaker 4: the left of me was a man with you know,
Speaker 4: he looked like a blue collar man. He had short hair,
Speaker 4: like short short beard hair. He had like a blue
Speaker 4: button up T shirt with jean pants. We were on
Speaker 4: the road, on the wrong side of the road if
Speaker 4: you're in America. Next to that was the curb, and
Speaker 4: then the grass and then a sidewalk, and then there
Speaker 4: was a small hill with grass on it that had
Speaker 4: concrete stairs that led up to like a colonial style
Speaker 4: house with like a wrought iron and rails.
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's a pretty detailed dream that I'm having.
Speaker 4: And you know, I I turned to my left, I
Speaker 4: look at the guy, and I ask, why are we here?
Speaker 4: I had to really push to get the wire. We
Speaker 4: hear out and it had like a reverb to it
Speaker 4: when I said it, and he turned his head, not
Speaker 4: his body, just his head. He turned his head and
Speaker 4: looked at me with a blank expression on his face.
Speaker 4: And in that moment the scene changed. We were no
Speaker 4: longer behind the van. Now we were in something I
Speaker 4: would describe as a like a high school laboratory.
Speaker 1: So there was these big.
Speaker 4: Windows with the long slat blinds that go sideways, and
Speaker 4: he pulled the string in the slat turns so and
Speaker 4: then there was a black linoleum style countertop with pine
Speaker 4: in cabinet tree underneath of that, and right in front
Speaker 4: of that was a kind of like an island with
Speaker 4: the same black linoleum countertop and pine cabinetry underneath. That
Speaker 4: was maybe seven feet long, like four foot wide. So
Speaker 4: the guy that I had seen in the previous part
Speaker 4: of their dream was a step back from me, maybe
Speaker 4: one person in length, because I remember looking to my
Speaker 4: left looking back and seeing the guy there. So but
Speaker 4: he again he had this blank expression on his face.
Speaker 4: Directly in front of me, maybe about ten feet was
Speaker 4: a man with long hair that came down.
Speaker 1: To his shoulder.
Speaker 4: It was very curly, kind of like a poodle, and
Speaker 4: it was a salt and pepper so it was both
Speaker 4: gray and dark color. He had a white button up
Speaker 4: T shirt with khaki pants, you know, Caucasian looking man,
Speaker 4: not sure, but it was a light skin. And again
Speaker 4: I'm standing here, and I looked at him, and again
Speaker 4: I ask why are we here? So again it's the
Speaker 4: same reverb and it's the same force, you know, I
Speaker 4: had to really work at it to say why were
Speaker 4: we here? And the moment I said that, he kind
Speaker 4: of tilted his head, looked surprised, then looked annoyed and
Speaker 4: then rushed toward me with an amazing speed. I don't
Speaker 4: know how to describe it. That ten feet was nothing
Speaker 4: for this person. So his right hand came up from
Speaker 4: his side and then came close to my left eye
Speaker 4: or my temple. So as soon as that happened, I
Speaker 4: woke up in my bed. I had sleep paralysis. I
Speaker 4: couldn't move, you know, I wasn't numb. I could feel
Speaker 4: my wife's arm or my wife's head on my arm,
Speaker 4: and there was this symbol made of light in my
Speaker 4: left eye. So the symbol looked kind of similar to triskelion.
Speaker 1: With the way that it was set up.
Speaker 4: We had three lines coming out from a centralized point
Speaker 4: with like I don't know, thirty maybe thirty three degree
Speaker 4: turns on it to create a triangle overall shape. And
Speaker 4: on each one of those lines there was three symbols
Speaker 4: on each part of the line where it would it
Speaker 4: would bend, So the flat part would be one symbol,
Speaker 4: and then it would bend, and then another symbol, and
Speaker 4: then it would bend and then there's another symbol. So
Speaker 4: on each line it's the same three symbols. So the
Speaker 4: first symbol was something that I figured out to be
Speaker 4: a evergreen tree. The second symbol is what I believe
Speaker 4: to be a lion. And then the third symbol was
Speaker 4: the hardest for me to figure out. That was it
Speaker 4: looked like a trus, but there was three of them
Speaker 4: that made a triangular shape. So over time, you know,
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what this thing is, you know,
Speaker 4: I looked at it from different angles, like it with spirituality,
Speaker 4: you know, and the Christian faith and some other things,
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what's going on. But ultimately, I
Speaker 4: think they answered my question when I asked, why are
Speaker 4: we here?
Speaker 1: So I think what.
Speaker 4: They showed me was a evolution of consciousness. So we
Speaker 4: start off as something as simple as a plant or
Speaker 4: a tree, and then you know, graduate to something more
Speaker 4: complex like an animal such as a lion, and then
Speaker 4: something even more complex as those three torus, you know.
Speaker 4: But I had no reference point to that until I
Speaker 4: had another experience later which I'll get into. But the
Speaker 4: symbol made of light. Every time my heart beat, the
Speaker 4: light would flash. It would be like this bright bluish
Speaker 4: white color and then it would fade to a goldish yellow,
Speaker 4: and then my heart would beat and it would have
Speaker 4: flash to that light blue white, and then fade back
Speaker 4: to the goldish yellow, like it was linked to my
Speaker 4: heartbeat somehow. Also in my right eye there was a
Speaker 4: similar thing going on. There wasn't the same symbol, but
Speaker 4: there was a line on the bottom part of my
Speaker 4: eye that looked kind of like a straw with the
Speaker 4: adjustable neck, so it went straight and then it got
Speaker 4: crooked and bent down. So every time my heart would
Speaker 4: be it would also flash the same color as the symbol.
Speaker 4: So obviously I'm freaked out. I mean, I'm laying in bed,
Speaker 4: I'm screaming in my mind helped me, because you know,
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm really freaking This is the only the
Speaker 4: first time I've ever had that happen to me where
Speaker 4: I can't move and I had something in my face.
Speaker 4: But over time, the brightness of the symbol started to
Speaker 4: fade and then I was able to get up. So
Speaker 4: while I couldn't move, I wanted to try to study it,
Speaker 4: you know, even though I was freaking out, you know,
Speaker 4: there wasn't much else I could do other than study
Speaker 4: the image and try to remember what it looked like,
Speaker 4: which is really hard when you know you're under that
Speaker 4: kind of stress. So as soon as I was able
Speaker 4: to it, got up, you know, I went to the
Speaker 4: room immediately looked into my eye, you know, to see
Speaker 4: what was going on, and then I went to my
Speaker 4: computer and started sketching it out because I didn't want
Speaker 4: to forget, you know, what I had seen. I still
Speaker 4: can't forget what I've seen, you know, when I think
Speaker 4: about it, I see the image in my mind. There
Speaker 4: was that, And then weeks later I had another experience
Speaker 4: where I woke up and it was four o'clock in
Speaker 4: the morning, because I remember looking at the clock after
Speaker 4: the experience, So floating above my feet maybe two feet
Speaker 4: was a ring made of light, like an led ring light,
Speaker 4: something very similar to that. But the inside there was
Speaker 4: flames made of shadow. So the part that touched the
Speaker 4: ring of light was the darkest part on each flame,
Speaker 4: and the tip was the lightest, so it was almost
Speaker 4: like a grayish white, almost like smoke toward the tips.
Speaker 4: So the flames weren't connected. They were separated, similar to
Speaker 4: like a flag would be separated, so their their own
Speaker 4: distinct triangular shapes in a odd number, so maybe nine
Speaker 4: to eleven. I'm not sure exactly what, but I remember
Speaker 4: there being an odd number. I call them flames because
Speaker 4: they moved like a flame does, so they waved like
Speaker 4: a flame would, and they also bifurcated, so the tips
Speaker 4: on the each one of those flames, at some point
Speaker 4: they would bifurcate, and then you'd have two tips on
Speaker 4: the flame, and then the flame would come back together.
Speaker 4: And the closest reference I have to something doing that
Speaker 4: would be a flame. So I didn't feel threatened by it.
Speaker 4: And because of the previous experience that I had, you
Speaker 4: know before, I was still kind of in shock from
Speaker 4: what I had happened with that, you know, and I
Speaker 4: just I didn't want to deal with it. So I said,
Speaker 4: I'm not dealing with this, and I turned looked at
Speaker 4: the clock and said I'm going back to sleep.
Speaker 1: So, you know, that was that. But I think.
Speaker 4: That that ring of light may be the third symbol
Speaker 4: that I seen, or the third the third symbol that
Speaker 4: I had seen in the symbol, So the third item.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want to call.
Speaker 4: It, but I mean the three taurus that were at
Speaker 4: the end, is that it was one of those. So
Speaker 4: I think that they had sent that here so that
Speaker 4: I had a reference point to understand what that is
Speaker 4: because I know what a tree looks like, you know,
Speaker 4: I know what an evergreen tree looks like. I know
Speaker 4: what a lion looks like. But I don't know, you know,
Speaker 4: what reference I would have to those taurus in the
Speaker 4: shape of a triangle, the three taurus. It just didn't
Speaker 4: make sense to me. So I think that maybe, you know,
Speaker 4: that was part of it. So another thing with the
Speaker 4: symbol when I had that experience was the next day
Speaker 4: when I woke up, my left eye heard really bad,
Speaker 4: like I had been punched in my eye. You know,
Speaker 4: I didn't have any bruising, but it definitely hurt. When
Speaker 4: I went to my job, you know, my brother and
Speaker 4: my nephew they work with me, and they noticed that
Speaker 4: I was off. You know, I wasn't being the funny
Speaker 4: person that I used to be, the energetic person I
Speaker 4: used to be, and you know, they noticed that I
Speaker 4: was just there was something wrong.
Speaker 1: So they asked me about.
Speaker 4: It, and I jokingly told them that I think I
Speaker 4: got I think I got punched in the eye by
Speaker 4: an angel last night, you know, and they laughed it off,
Speaker 4: and I explained my experience to them as well. So
Speaker 4: they didn't know what to make of it and thought
Speaker 4: it was kind of weird, but you know, we went
Speaker 4: about our day. So a few days after I seen
Speaker 4: the ring of light in my bed. When I woke up,
Speaker 4: I was laying in my bed getting ready to go
Speaker 4: to sleep.
Speaker 1: I hadn't quite got there yet, but with.
Speaker 4: My eyes closed, laying in the bed, there was a
Speaker 4: bright light, like a singular point of light that looked
Speaker 4: like it rushed toward me, and then it seemed like
Speaker 4: it was a person. So my eyes were closed. I mean,
Speaker 4: I shouldn't and I know I'm not dreaming. I'm laying
Speaker 4: in my bed, but there's this being made of light.
Speaker 4: So it was a silhouette kind of thing, like there
Speaker 4: wasn't any details of like a nose or eye or
Speaker 4: mouth or anything like that. It was just it was
Speaker 4: this golden light being in front of me the torso view.
Speaker 1: I could see the arms.
Speaker 4: I could see the chest, you know, the stomach area,
Speaker 4: and the head and it was holding its hands in
Speaker 4: what I found out later was in a moodru position.
Speaker 4: So the left hand was pointed up like at the
Speaker 4: shoulder level, pointing toward the right shoulder, and the right
Speaker 4: hand was at the waist pointing up so because this
Speaker 4: thing came at me with the speed that it it did,
Speaker 4: it startled me and I immediately opened my eyes and
Speaker 4: pulled back away from it. And it wasn't in the
Speaker 4: room with me, but it was more like it was
Speaker 4: it was in my mind, like an image that I
Speaker 4: was seeing, similar to like a memory, like if you
Speaker 4: were to remember something, you see it in your in
Speaker 4: your head, so something similar to that. But like I said,
Speaker 4: I was just laying in the bed and this singular
Speaker 4: point of light became this light being who made that Maudra?
Speaker 4: Again it caught me off guard. So and then a
Speaker 4: few days after that, again I'm laying in bed and
Speaker 4: while I'm laying in bed with my eyes closed, I
Speaker 4: see a geometric shape and I'm not sure what the
Speaker 4: geometric shape was at that time, but after you know,
Speaker 4: looking into it and trying to figure out what it was,
Speaker 4: I found that it was the seed of life. So
Speaker 4: it was kind of like, I don't know. So there's
Speaker 4: two differ ways that I see things. So with memories,
Speaker 4: it's kind of like two screens. So if you have
Speaker 4: two screens and one is overlaid onto the other one,
Speaker 4: so you know what I'm seeing in real life in
Speaker 4: real time, right, so that would be your primary screen,
Speaker 4: and then like the memory bit would be like an overlaid,
Speaker 4: opaque version of the other whatever is going on, so
Speaker 4: your memory So this is totally different. So what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about is like your eyelid's being closed and then
Speaker 4: seeing an image on the back side of your eyelid.
Speaker 4: So it made of like, I don't know, like light,
Speaker 4: but it's a very faint shadowy light. So it's hard
Speaker 4: to tell the difference between the darkness of the behind
Speaker 4: the eyelid and it, but there is like a slight
Speaker 4: shade difference between the two. But what I had seen
Speaker 4: was the seed of life. So at that point, that's
Speaker 4: when I started to look into what all these symbols
Speaker 4: could be meaning. Like I said, I, look, you tried
Speaker 4: to figure out what the mudra meant. You know what
Speaker 4: the mudra was to begin with. I didn't even know
Speaker 4: what a mudra was at that point, so you know,
Speaker 4: I looked into that, and I looked into the seed
Speaker 4: of life and it and the ring of light with
Speaker 4: the flames made of shadow, and that brought me to
Speaker 4: researching Kashmir Shivaism. So you know, I was looking into
Speaker 4: maybe there was some kind of a connection there with Shiba. So,
Speaker 4: you know, as throughout my research at that point, you know,
Speaker 4: I started to look into the Monroe Institute and then
Speaker 4: I tried the Hemi sync. So you know, I put
Speaker 4: the video on the YouTube and put the headphones on
Speaker 4: and tried to do the HEMI sync that they have
Speaker 4: so and I think I may have done a remote
Speaker 4: viewing inadvertently while doing that, because I you know, I
Speaker 4: wasn't sure it was going to do anything, so I
Speaker 4: just wanted to try it out and see, you know,
Speaker 4: what happens. So, you know, I was laying on my couch,
Speaker 4: I had the headphones on, I was listening to the beat,
Speaker 4: and it was weird. It was it wasn't like I
Speaker 4: fell asleep, but there was this sensation. And then because
Speaker 4: I had my eyes closed, I seen what looked kind
Speaker 4: of like cartoon bubbles, you know, like a cartoon where
Speaker 4: they would have the thought bubble that would come up
Speaker 4: and then they'd have like the text in there, so
Speaker 4: something similar to that. So it started off with a
Speaker 4: couple bubbles and then the bubbles got bigger until it
Speaker 4: was like one big bubble. And I seen what looked
Speaker 4: like a woman's hand. I assume it was a woman
Speaker 4: because there was no hair on her hand and had
Speaker 4: she had really nice nails, like kept up nails. But
Speaker 4: in any case, she was sitting at like a pine
Speaker 4: wood table or a lightwood colored table. She had her
Speaker 4: hand on a stick or a gray colored stick that
Speaker 4: was in a Stanley cup. So it was a gray
Speaker 4: colored Stanley cup with like a stainless steel rim around it.
Speaker 4: The water inside the cuff was a gray color, and
Speaker 4: then there was flex of white and black that were
Speaker 4: in there. So after thinking about that for a while,
Speaker 4: you know, I came to the realization and I think
Speaker 4: she was painting. So those flecks of the white and
Speaker 4: the black were part of whatever paint that was on
Speaker 4: the brush and she had that in the cup and
Speaker 4: was washing the brush off. So it didn't tie into anything.
Speaker 4: But at the time, you know, I didn't have any targets.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about anything specific.
Speaker 4: I was just trying the HEMI scenek and see into
Speaker 4: what happens, and that was the experience that had happened.
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Speaker 4: And then we around twenty twenty two, we had our
Speaker 4: youngest son, around twenty twenty three, was about a one
Speaker 4: years old, and he started having experiences where he would
Speaker 4: he would wake up and he'd start screaming, and you know,
Speaker 4: we'd check on him. And when we go to check
Speaker 4: on him, he was standing up in his crib and
Speaker 4: he was pointing up, so we weren't really sure what
Speaker 4: was going on there, but you know, it was just
Speaker 4: it was a strange experience that we had noticed. So
Speaker 4: at the same time at twenty twenty three, you know,
Speaker 4: not exactly the same day, but around you know in
Speaker 4: that year I had witnessed a gray a gray being
Speaker 4: or an entity, but it looked different than you know
Speaker 4: what most people say. So this So what had happened
Speaker 4: was I was in the bathroom using the bathroom. I
Speaker 4: got out the bathroom walking down the hallway, and there's
Speaker 4: another hallway to my right hand side that leads to
Speaker 4: the bedrooms.
Speaker 1: So I looked to my right as.
Speaker 4: I was walking down the hallway and I looked down
Speaker 4: the other hallway that goes to the bedrooms, and there
Speaker 4: was a scatow entity on the wall. So it looked
Speaker 4: as though it was a two dimensional representation of a
Speaker 4: gray entity or the closest I can say that it
Speaker 4: looked like would maybe be the Bob entity. So but
Speaker 4: in any case, it was maybe three foot tall three
Speaker 4: to four foot tall, had large almond shaped eye. It
Speaker 4: was a side profile as if it was walking down
Speaker 4: the hallway going into the bedrooms, and it was mid step,
Speaker 4: so you know, it had a little bump out for
Speaker 4: the nose.
Speaker 1: I could see the chin and.
Speaker 4: With a shadow, you shouldn't be able to see the
Speaker 4: definition you know where you know, where the chin is
Speaker 4: underneath where the neck is, the where the chin and
Speaker 4: the neck meet. There shouldn't be any definition there, but
Speaker 4: I definitely saw the line that separates the chin from
Speaker 4: the neck, so you know, and the eye on it
Speaker 4: was dark, almost black, compared to the gray color the
Speaker 4: rest of it was. It had a very skinny neck.
Speaker 4: It looked kind of frail to be, you know, to
Speaker 4: be honest, with this large head. So it's shoulders weren't
Speaker 4: very wide. It had pretty long arms, maybe three three
Speaker 4: fingers that are at least twice the length of a
Speaker 4: human finger on each one of its its hands. It
Speaker 4: had very skinny legs, and the feet looked kind of long,
Speaker 4: but not as long as the hands. Didn't look like
Speaker 4: it was wearing clothes. But like I said, it was
Speaker 4: in mid step, so I think it froze as it
Speaker 4: was moving. I think it noticed that I noticed it
Speaker 4: and stopped moving when I did that. So when I
Speaker 4: seen it, my first reaction was is, Oh, it's just
Speaker 4: my son wearing the rake costume. Because at that time,
Speaker 4: my older son liked to wear his Halloween costume around
Speaker 4: the house. So you know, when I first seen it,
Speaker 4: that was the first thought that came to my mind, is, Oh,
Speaker 4: it's just my boy wearing his costume. So I turned
Speaker 4: back and then took a few more steps forward, and
Speaker 4: then realized that the sun that I just thought was
Speaker 4: wearing the costume was sitting at the computer and he
Speaker 4: wasn't wearing the costume. So immediately you have a put
Speaker 4: two and two together, and I'm like, that's not my son.
Speaker 1: So I took the steps.
Speaker 4: Back and then looked down the hallway and the thing
Speaker 4: that I had just seen was gone, disappeared. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if it was my brain trying to rationalize
Speaker 4: what I had just seen, or it put that thought
Speaker 4: in my head so that I would just go about
Speaker 4: my business and leave it alone. So in that same year,
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, my older son had an incident
Speaker 4: where he went to get some snacks off of the
Speaker 4: stand up fridge or freezer that we have. So when
Speaker 4: he did that, he climbed up on one of the
Speaker 4: chairs to get up there to go get it. And
Speaker 4: he said, when he did that, he's seen a triangular
Speaker 4: shaped head poke up around the corner and look at him,
Speaker 4: and when he seen it, it caught him off guard
Speaker 4: and he kind of stumbled on the chair and fell down.
Speaker 4: He didn't hurt himself or anything like that, but he
Speaker 4: just he caught himself while he did it, and he
Speaker 4: said that the entity made an audible whoe sound, and
Speaker 4: you know that that was what he told me about
Speaker 4: that incident. So the same year, my wife starts having
Speaker 4: multiple instances of seeing me home while I'm not home.
Speaker 4: So I think the first one she has she went
Speaker 4: down into the basement to go put something there, and
Speaker 4: she had seen me standing there in my pajamas. So
Speaker 4: at that time I was at work. There's no way
Speaker 4: that I was at home. She obviously wasn't seeing me.
Speaker 1: She said that.
Speaker 4: Whatever it was wasn't making any kind of movement, as
Speaker 4: though it didn't even realize that she was there. So
Speaker 4: that was the first time, but it wasn't the last
Speaker 4: time that, you know, she's experienced the me but not
Speaker 4: me at my house. There's been a lot more than
Speaker 4: a handful, probably like twenty to twenty five instances where
Speaker 4: she's seen me at home even though I'm not there,
Speaker 4: you know, not just the person, but she's also seen
Speaker 4: me like driving my work truck out in front of
Speaker 4: the house, but obviously I'm not there, so you know,
Speaker 4: there's no way that I could be there there was
Speaker 4: an instance where my wife and my daughter both seen
Speaker 4: my oldest son sitting at the computer. But my son
Speaker 4: was still in school at the time, so there was
Speaker 4: no way that my son could have been home sitting
Speaker 4: at the computer. So my wife raised that point to
Speaker 4: my daughter, and then when they when she told her that,
Speaker 4: she said that they both seen the entity of the
Speaker 4: person who looked like my son sitting at the computer disappear,
Speaker 4: boofed out of nowhere. So the next instance, it would
Speaker 4: probably be you know, it's September, around September of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four.
Speaker 1: My wife, she is.
Speaker 4: Laying out on the the couch with my younger son,
Speaker 4: and by that time I'm already in the room.
Speaker 1: I'm laying down and you know, I'm.
Speaker 4: Getting ready for work, you know, getting ready to go
Speaker 4: to work for the next day.
Speaker 1: So I need to go to sleep.
Speaker 4: So I go to sleep, and while I'm sleeping, she
Speaker 4: says that she got up, she went to go get
Speaker 4: a drink, and she had a feeling to come and
Speaker 4: check on me. So and then because of the strange
Speaker 4: experiences that we were having, she felt like she should
Speaker 4: bring the camera too, so she brought the camera with
Speaker 4: her to the bedroom after she got her drink, and
Speaker 4: as soon as she entered the doorway, she took three
Speaker 4: photos in the room. So later on she woke me
Speaker 4: up at maybe like twelve thirty, you know, and she
Speaker 4: seemed pretty pretty excited, you know, concerned she was. She
Speaker 4: wasn't sure what she had taken a photo. So the
Speaker 4: first two photos that she taken were completely black. There
Speaker 4: was nothing, there was nothing on them, I mean, so
Speaker 4: you know, they were kind of useless. But the third
Speaker 4: photo that she had taken, it showed something in it,
Speaker 4: so she showed me.
Speaker 1: I woke up.
Speaker 4: I wasn't quite sure what was going on because I
Speaker 4: just woke up, and I'm like, okay, you know whatever,
Speaker 4: just you know, I'll look at it later. And I'm
Speaker 4: not sure what you got there, So I went back
Speaker 4: to sleep. So over time, you know, and studying the photo,
Speaker 4: I realized that the photo it looks a lot like
Speaker 4: the the entity in the photo that was taken during
Speaker 4: the C five contact with doctor Stephen Greer. So it
Speaker 4: has a very triangular shaped head with it's wearing a
Speaker 4: wearing clothes similar to like you know, loose.
Speaker 1: Spitting, long sleeved clothes.
Speaker 4: The the hands or what you would consider hands or
Speaker 4: fingers look similar where they sweep back, similar to in
Speaker 4: his photo.
Speaker 1: You know, the one that my wife took also has
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 4: Little blue orb in it, similar to how you know
Speaker 4: his has a bunch of small blue dots in it. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I put two and two together, and I
Speaker 4: believe that the photo she had taken was of one
Speaker 4: of those Mantus entities that Greer had taken a photo
Speaker 4: of or had somebody take a photo of in the
Speaker 4: Sea five during the Sea FI contact. So you know,
Speaker 4: after that, you know, I start looking into gnosticism and
Speaker 4: you know if maybe that has something to do with it.
Speaker 4: You know, I wanted to look at all avenues here
Speaker 4: because I'm trying to gather information on what's going on.
Speaker 4: I would like to say that this is one of
Speaker 4: the most complex questions that anybody can can ask, you know,
Speaker 4: what is the nature of reality itself?
Speaker 1: You know, and trying to understand.
Speaker 4: Who we are, what we are, you know, where we
Speaker 4: belong in it, you know. And I'm not the smartest
Speaker 4: guy out there, so you know, I'm trying to figure
Speaker 4: it out for myself what's going on. So that's why
Speaker 4: I want to research and look into these different avenues
Speaker 4: and see if there's there's anything there, if there's any connection.
Speaker 4: So I think a lot of everything is interconnected in
Speaker 4: ways that we don't understand. So just because we don't
Speaker 4: understand it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. For example,
Speaker 4: the a lot of people that don't have experiences, it's
Speaker 4: hard for them to understand because they haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: So it's very similar to like the Plato's cave allegory.
Speaker 4: So you know, as somebody who experiences, you have left
Speaker 4: the cave and you've seen it for what it is,
Speaker 4: but everybody else is still in the cave. So you
Speaker 4: try to explain to them, you know what you've seen
Speaker 4: and experienced, and they have no reference point, They have
Speaker 4: no way to know that what you're saying is true
Speaker 4: or real, so they dismiss it and they act like
Speaker 4: you're crazy.
Speaker 1: So but like I said, it's.
Speaker 4: Interconnected in a way we don't understand. You know, it's
Speaker 4: a very complex, you know, question or situation. So the
Speaker 4: way that I would describe it is you imagine a
Speaker 4: thousand piece puzzle, right, and every little bit of data
Speaker 4: or information that you get is one little piece on
Speaker 4: the puzzle.
Speaker 1: So you put the puzzle.
Speaker 4: Together, right, but it's not that it's actually ten of
Speaker 4: those puzzles all mixed up in the one box. So
Speaker 4: now you have to figure out, right, well, this piece
Speaker 4: goes to this separate puzzle, and this piece goes to
Speaker 4: puzzle three, and this piece goes to puzzle five whatever. So,
Speaker 4: but it's even more complicated than that. Now you have
Speaker 4: like ten of those thousand piece puzzles, right, and you
Speaker 4: realize after you've put all those pieces together that it
Speaker 4: creates a mosaic. There's a picture within that you don't
Speaker 4: see until you zoom out to a specific point, right,
Speaker 4: So it's even more complicated than that. But you have
Speaker 4: to do that, you know, five more times for a
Speaker 4: total of six mosaics, right, And you notice that the
Speaker 4: edges of each one of those mosaics look like they
Speaker 4: line up with each other. And then you put them
Speaker 4: together and it creates a cube. And then you zoom
Speaker 4: out even further and you realize that it's just one
Speaker 4: pixel and a singular puzzle piece. That's how complicated this
Speaker 4: issue is. So that's where I'm at with that. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I looked into gnosticism, and you know, with that,
Speaker 4: and I had, you know, my experiences with you know,
Speaker 4: meditating at night, and I wanted to see the demiurge. So,
Speaker 4: you know, while I was laying in bed at night,
Speaker 4: you know, I meditated on that I wanted to look
Speaker 4: the demiurge in the eye. And when I did, while
Speaker 4: I was laying there, I similar to how I had
Speaker 4: seen the Seed of life geometry and that you know,
Speaker 4: it was dark, but you could still see the lines
Speaker 4: in the darkness. I had seen an eye, but the
Speaker 4: eye had a vertical slit and a horizontal slit to
Speaker 4: make a plus sign in the eye it had. It
Speaker 4: had like a scaly part of the top part of
Speaker 4: the eye lid, and then the bottom part also scaly,
Speaker 4: and the instead of the eye blinking, the whole head
Speaker 4: seemed to rotate like it was trying to look around.
Speaker 4: And when I seen that, it kind of freaked me
Speaker 4: out and I backed away.
Speaker 1: And that was that.
Speaker 4: So also, my wife had taken a video of an
Speaker 4: orb in the sky, you know, and in the video
Speaker 4: you can see that the there's a star there, how
Speaker 4: the orb is moving in relation to the star.
Speaker 1: To kind of give you an idea of how it's moving.
Speaker 4: So around that time, you know, in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: I started having instances of waking up with songs in
Speaker 4: my head. So I think that that was the one
Speaker 4: of these entities trying to communicate with me by telling
Speaker 4: me or giving me these these songs to listen to
Speaker 4: to try to understand. So while I was meditating, because
Speaker 4: I had started down this path where I was trying
Speaker 4: to learn and figure out what's going on, you know,
Speaker 4: I started, I was meditating at night, and I was
Speaker 4: kind of reaching out, trying to contact these beings. And
Speaker 4: there's a few times that I actually got responses. So
Speaker 4: the first time was a male voice who yelled at me.
Speaker 4: He was clearly annoyed. He told me to shut up,
Speaker 4: and who gave these humans these abilities? So there was
Speaker 4: another instance maybe a month later after that point, where
Speaker 4: I also heard a male voice. It didn't sound like
Speaker 4: it was the same voice, but he yelled at me
Speaker 4: again and told me to shut the f up. And
Speaker 4: then there was another instance many months after that, where
Speaker 4: I had asked the question what am I you know,
Speaker 4: and just kind of broadcast it out while I was meditating,
Speaker 4: and I heard another male voice tell me that you
Speaker 4: are human. So ye mean throughout I've had lots of
Speaker 4: dreams that feel real. They don't feel like it's just
Speaker 4: a dream. It feels like a memory to me. So
Speaker 4: if I think about them, I can see them in
Speaker 4: pretty clear detail. So I've had like one in particular.
Speaker 1: It was a childhood.
Speaker 4: Dream where I was in my backyard of the home
Speaker 4: that we lived at when I was young. I was
Speaker 4: in the backyard with my brother playing and we were
Speaker 4: messing around with sticks, like hitting leaves and weeds and
Speaker 4: things like that. I had seen like a shimmer in
Speaker 4: the tree line above the fence, so I took the
Speaker 4: stick like it was a gun and put it like
Speaker 4: in my armpit and then raised the stick up, and
Speaker 4: when I did, I was immediately dropped to the ground.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: My head was sideways on the ground, and I remember
Speaker 4: seeing a line of light that opened up into a triangle.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like if there was a door
Speaker 4: there and the top of the triangle would be a hinge,
Speaker 4: and then the bottom would open like sideways to create
Speaker 4: a triangle. And then there was two beings, one on
Speaker 4: each side on the one on the left, one on
Speaker 4: the right, and they were like really dark, almost black,
Speaker 4: in comparison.
Speaker 1: To the doorway. The doorway itself was this bright white
Speaker 1: light and then that was the end of the dream
Speaker 1: and I woke up. So toward the end of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four is when this this entity, Stella introduces herself.
Speaker 1: And before that, you know, my wife was getting you
Speaker 1: know a little it was like somebody was talking to her,
Speaker 1: you know, information here or there. So you know, she
Speaker 1: would tell me she would know when i'd get home,
Speaker 1: and I am with my job.
Speaker 4: I have different times of the day that I get home.
Speaker 4: I don't get home at the same time every day,
Speaker 4: so you know, I don't know how she knew than
Speaker 4: that that that.
Speaker 1: I was home.
Speaker 4: So you know, she would start coming out and saying,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody told me to come out, and you
Speaker 4: were here, so she would come out to greet me.
Speaker 4: So it happened multiple times, you know, for for months,
Speaker 4: but for at the end of twenty twenty four that
Speaker 4: the thing that was telling her when I was getting
Speaker 4: home had introduced herself as as Stella. So so after
Speaker 4: you know, Stella introduces herself. I mean it's it's kind
Speaker 4: of weird, Like I looked into you know, channelers, and
Speaker 4: there's different people that you know, claim that they're they're
Speaker 4: channeling these entities, you know, and I'm thinking maybe maybe
Speaker 4: she is, but but I'm not sure. So I start
Speaker 4: questioning things, you know, I start asking questions, and you
Speaker 4: know this Stella doesn't like to give information, so it
Speaker 4: seems like, you know, she wants me to kind of
Speaker 4: figure things out for myself, you know, like it's some
Speaker 4: kind of game or challenge. I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 4: annoying sometimes, but I mean it kind of is what
Speaker 4: it is. So, you know, like I said, I was,
Speaker 4: I was asking questions about Stella, trying to figure out
Speaker 4: what was going on. But you know, she says that
Speaker 4: she's the mantis entity that has been watching over me,
Speaker 4: you know, not just on this this timeline, but.
Speaker 1: Other versions of me too. So I wasn't sure if.
Speaker 4: You know, my wife was just pulling my leg messing
Speaker 4: with me, or if this this thing was real, which
Speaker 4: is part of the reason why I kept asking questions
Speaker 4: trying to figure things out.
Speaker 1: But some of the evidence it.
Speaker 4: Was like, well, you know, she knows how I'm here
Speaker 4: every day, so how would she know that? And I'm like, well, maybe,
Speaker 4: I mean there's like a tracking thing in my location
Speaker 4: on my phone or you know, just trying to figure
Speaker 4: it out. So, you know, close to my birthday. You know,
Speaker 4: two days after my birthday, my wife comes out to
Speaker 4: greet me, right, says, Stella says, that you're home. So
Speaker 4: that's why I came out. So she came out, she
Speaker 4: gave me a hog. While she was giving me a hog,
Speaker 4: you know, she said, Stella says, to look up. So
Speaker 4: we look up, and when we both looked up, we're like, well,
Speaker 4: what is that?
Speaker 1: Well it was I think it was a uap. So
Speaker 1: it was a light.
Speaker 4: It looked similar to the video of the Turkish ufo.
Speaker 4: So it had like this kind of like a crescent
Speaker 4: kind of top to it, or like a dome, and
Speaker 4: then like a smaller one underneath.
Speaker 1: So the light it would get bright and.
Speaker 4: Then it would dim out, and it moved slowly from
Speaker 4: the left to the right. So there was two distinct sections.
Speaker 1: Of it that were made of light.
Speaker 4: So there's the top section in the bottom section, they
Speaker 4: would get bright and then they would dull out and
Speaker 4: get bright and the dull out and then moved from
Speaker 4: left to right. And then while I was standing there,
Speaker 4: you know, I told my wife to go get my
Speaker 4: phone so that I could I could take a picture
Speaker 4: of it, because I wanted to take the picture, but
Speaker 4: I didn't want to leave because you know, it's just
Speaker 4: pretty amazing. I've never seen any you know, other than
Speaker 4: what I had seen early on, which it was a
Speaker 4: long time ago. So this thing's moving from left to right,
Speaker 4: and in my mind, I asked it, I said, hey,
Speaker 4: can you could you get bright for me?
Speaker 1: Like really bright? And it did.
Speaker 4: It got extremely bright, and then it dimmed down to
Speaker 4: where it blacked out completely, and then it turned back
Speaker 4: up again and got really bright again and then dimmed
Speaker 4: back out again, and then it was it was gone,
Speaker 4: it disappeared. So I was kind of I was astonished,
Speaker 4: and I still am, like, you know, I mean so
Speaker 4: part of the reason, you know, I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I don't know what this is. I wanted to prove
Speaker 4: that this thing is real. So I think Stella sent
Speaker 4: it here to prove that it's real. Just like the photo.
Speaker 4: You don't accidentally take a photo of these things if
Speaker 4: they don't want to be seen. I think it intentionally
Speaker 4: let her take the photo so that I had proof
Speaker 4: that it was there, whether other people believe me or not.
Speaker 4: That's irrelevant. Wasn't what it was for me, so that
Speaker 4: I could confirm that it was there. And then two
Speaker 4: days after I had seen the craft, I got home
Speaker 4: from work. I'm at the car, I'm getting my stuff,
Speaker 4: getting ready to go inside, and I stopped, you know,
Speaker 4: because I'm still kind of like, you know, in awe
Speaker 4: of what I had seen two days before, you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm looking in that same direction that the craft
Speaker 4: came from two days prior. I was out there for
Speaker 4: maybe five ten minutes, you know, looking in that direction,
Speaker 4: and then finally it showed up again.
Speaker 1: It was there again. It moved in the same.
Speaker 4: Direction, and it dimmed and got right the same way
Speaker 4: that it did before, and then it went a little
Speaker 4: bit further than it did the first time, and then
Speaker 4: the lights went out and it disappeared. So that was
Speaker 4: the second time. So it was kind of a confirmation
Speaker 4: that I had seen something. So not only was it
Speaker 4: on that first day that I had seen it, then
Speaker 4: two days later I seen it again. Say hey, listen,
Speaker 4: I'm here. And it wasn't just a fluke. It's like
Speaker 4: I know what planes look like. I mean, the plane light,
Speaker 4: it blinks, it's like a strobe this is totally different
Speaker 4: what I seen. What I seen looked like if you
Speaker 4: had a dimmer switch, like a dial on the light
Speaker 4: and you turn it up and you turn it down
Speaker 4: at a slow rate of speed. That's what I saw,
Speaker 4: which is totally different than the strobe of an airplane. So,
Speaker 4: like I said, I've been trying to get information from Stella,
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what's going on, and part of
Speaker 4: me doesn't want to believe that any of this is real,
Speaker 4: so I've been pushing back the whole time, trying to
Speaker 4: come up with prosaic explanations and what's going on. So,
Speaker 4: you know, sleep paralysis, Yeah, people people have sleep paralysis,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: So there's that, and then there's.
Speaker 4: Hypnopopic and hypnogogic hallucinations. You know. I'm like, well, maybe
Speaker 4: the symbol that I seen was just you know, something
Speaker 4: like that. So I think that that's part of the
Speaker 4: reason why you know this this entity Stella keeps upping
Speaker 4: the ante and doing things as if to say, all right, well,
Speaker 4: you didn't believe the first thing, so we're going to
Speaker 4: do this now. And then you didn't believe that thing,
Speaker 4: so we're going to move on to another one. And
Speaker 4: we're just going to keep doing that until you finally
Speaker 4: understand that we are real.
Speaker 1: We're here.
Speaker 4: Even now, I mean, even though I've been presented with
Speaker 4: the photograph and then seeing the craft, I still want
Speaker 4: to push back and say, man, I don't you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to think that these things are real.
Speaker 4: I mean, whether they're they're real or not. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's in my mind. I just I don't want to
Speaker 4: believe that they're real. So, like I said, I've been
Speaker 4: I've been trying to communicate with Stella through my wife
Speaker 4: and try to get information as to like what's going on.
Speaker 4: It's really hard going. I mean, she doesn't want to
Speaker 4: give me the information. But you know, throughout the time
Speaker 4: that we've been communicating, you know, she claims to be
Speaker 4: something like I think the term is anam kara, which
Speaker 4: is like a soul friend that and she says she
Speaker 4: deeply cares about me and that she's been following me
Speaker 4: through different incarnations. So the incarnation, it's not I don't
Speaker 4: think it's one after the other. I think there are
Speaker 4: multiple realities, are like a multiverse where there's different versions
Speaker 4: of yourself. You know, when people say that these entities
Speaker 4: are extra dimensional. I don't think they really understand what
Speaker 4: that means. I mean, it's hard for anybody to understand
Speaker 4: what that means. But what I think is like this
Speaker 4: reality that we're in is something similar to a simulation. Now,
Speaker 4: whether that's a computer simulation or something like an organic simulation,
Speaker 4: you know, it is, you know, questionable, like I don't
Speaker 4: know what's creating it. You know, you could say source
Speaker 4: consciousness could be the thing that's creating it. But what
Speaker 4: is source consciousness? Is it just something that came from
Speaker 4: the quantum field? I mean it just coalesced and it
Speaker 4: is what it is or was it made by something else?
Speaker 4: And then we're inside that I don't know. I don't
Speaker 4: but those are questions that I'm asking trying to figure
Speaker 4: out what is going on. But because of my near
Speaker 4: death experience, I know that there's at least that. And
Speaker 4: what I had seen was the darkness and the light,
Speaker 4: which to me is binary. It's zeros and ones again,
Speaker 4: I mean simulation theory.
Speaker 1: So there's that. I think.
Speaker 4: You know, ultimately, you know, source consciousness is doing what
Speaker 4: we're experiencing, so it's making everything similar to a dream.
Speaker 4: You know, that goes to another question when you dream
Speaker 4: at night, who's creating the dream. If you're creating the
Speaker 4: dream at night, right, then you're creating a simulation. So
Speaker 4: all the things that you create within that dream are
Speaker 4: a simulation. And that's what I mean by an organic simulation.
Speaker 4: You know, So when you dream, you're creating that reality.
Speaker 4: How big or expansive that reality is is irrelevant. Honestly,
Speaker 4: you're still making that that reality. And if and if
Speaker 4: that's not the case, then you're looking at something that
Speaker 4: is somewhere else. Then you're still within the framework of
Speaker 4: a source consciousness. Like I'm saying, I don't know what
Speaker 4: that source consciousness is. I mean, is it what we
Speaker 4: call God? It could be I mean, or it could
Speaker 4: be a hyper advanced super AI intelligence you know, that's
Speaker 4: trying to figure out a question or a problem, and
Speaker 4: it's using all of us like virtual machines, you know,
Speaker 4: having experiences trying to figure it out. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: like I said, this subject is one of the biggest
Speaker 4: questions that anybody could answer, and I am woefully unqualified
Speaker 4: to figure it out. But that doesn't mean I'm not
Speaker 4: going to try. And like I said, I was trying
Speaker 4: to get information from stella. She says that for the
Speaker 4: most part, my core personality is the same across the
Speaker 4: different timelines. She says, I'm negative, I'm stubborn, and I'm defiant.
Speaker 4: She says that I am an old soul that has
Speaker 4: been soul traveling a long time, and that she is
Speaker 4: not the first in the position she is. There was
Speaker 4: one at least one before, but she doesn't know how
Speaker 4: many there were before that one. She said that she
Speaker 4: had asked for the position. She says that my core
Speaker 4: personality is the same no matter the situation or circumstance
Speaker 4: that they put me in.
Speaker 1: And she says that I.
Speaker 4: Had broken the rules before and that I had been
Speaker 4: outside of the system. She also said that I'm I'm
Speaker 4: unpredictable and that my mind is complex and scary and
Speaker 4: this isn't like one conversation. So the information that I
Speaker 4: gained was over months of poking and prodding and trying
Speaker 4: to elicit a response to get some kind of information
Speaker 4: on what's going on. And I've pieced this narrative in
Speaker 4: based on that.
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Speaker 4: You mean, I continue to meditate at night, you know,
Speaker 4: and just kind of relax and see what happens. And
Speaker 4: then one night I heard another voice. It was the
Speaker 4: first woman's voice I'd ever heard while meditating, and she
Speaker 4: says hello, and that her name was in Ana, and
Speaker 4: I didn't know who that was, but there you go.
Speaker 1: I heard it.
Speaker 4: And then shortly after that and if she had a
Speaker 4: very beautiful voice to her, very alluring. And then shortly
Speaker 4: after that I heard a man's voice what I assume
Speaker 4: is a male voice, was very deep, like the actor
Speaker 4: Michael Clark Duncan, and it also had like a guttural
Speaker 4: bass to it, similar to like an alligator's bellows. It
Speaker 4: said hello, I am, and then I pushed back. It
Speaker 4: freaked me out. I didn't want anything to do with
Speaker 4: it and backed off of it. At a later date,
Speaker 4: I had asked Stella I'm like, you know, why would
Speaker 4: that that happen? Because you know, I looked into the
Speaker 4: name Inna, which led me to, you know, Sumerian text
Speaker 4: like the Mesopotamian religion, Sumerian you know, and all that stuff,
Speaker 4: and you know, now I understand some of what that is.
Speaker 4: But I asked her, I'm like, well, why would you
Speaker 4: know somebody as influential as Inana or what I presume
Speaker 4: to be anky introduce themselves to an average person. It
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense. And no, Stella told me they wouldn't,
Speaker 4: you know. I I told her that I'm just an
Speaker 4: average person. I mean, I don't have any political office,
Speaker 4: I don't have power, I'm not rich, I'm just a
Speaker 4: normal person that I'm not important. And she told me
Speaker 4: I was wrong, that I am. But I don't understand
Speaker 4: how or why and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know why these beings have targeted me for
Speaker 4: doing the things.
Speaker 1: That they do what they do.
Speaker 4: So over the course of these experiences, my wife is
Speaker 4: having dreams with with us being on on the ship.
Speaker 4: So there's a there's a ship that these entities are on.
Speaker 4: And Stella, so the Manses Lady is the person in charge.
Speaker 4: So there's a tall gray there that I've affectionately called Grumps.
Speaker 4: So grump he's a very grumpy you know, kind of
Speaker 4: like he's in charge of the lower guys, so the
Speaker 4: smaller grays on the ship, and they're whenever they do
Speaker 4: something wrong, like he's visibly annoyed. So, but one of
Speaker 4: the the first interactions was that, uh, we were on
Speaker 4: the ship and my wife wakes up and she starts
Speaker 4: moving around. So she has a high pain tolerance. She
Speaker 4: has a much higher pain tolerance than me. She's had
Speaker 4: dreams where they were trying to give her the whatever
Speaker 4: to sedate her and keep her down, and they talking
Speaker 4: amongst themselves and saying that they can't give her anymore
Speaker 4: because it would affect her, it would negatively, so they
Speaker 4: wouldn't give her anymore. So she starts to wake up,
Speaker 4: and then eventually moves around the ship and sees other
Speaker 4: people in the area that we are at that are
Speaker 4: on tables in that room. That was one of her dreams,
Speaker 4: and then another one where she's up she's moving around
Speaker 4: and Stella is there and allows her to move around,
Speaker 4: and the grumpy gray he doesn't like it and opposes
Speaker 4: it and asks Stella why she allows it, and she replied,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't understand because she's in charge. He's not gonna
Speaker 4: question it at that point and just let her do
Speaker 4: what she wants. My wife is moving around the ship,
Speaker 4: notices that there's a container, and on that container has
Speaker 4: like a biohazard symbol, you know, and she doesn't touch it,
Speaker 4: but she's close to it, and the ground peak Gray
Speaker 4: realizes that she's close to it and immediately rushes over
Speaker 4: to pull her away from it and asks her if
Speaker 4: she did touch it, and she replies, no, I didn't.
Speaker 4: At that point, that's kind of when that ends. That's
Speaker 4: another dream that she had. Any case, she reports that
Speaker 4: there's Stella on the ship and she's the manches lady.
Speaker 4: The tall Gray is there. He's kind of in charge
Speaker 4: of the small guys. The small guys are tasked with
Speaker 4: going around and doing like whatever Mundane tasks. But she
Speaker 4: also states that there's these smaller creatures there that she
Speaker 4: she calls wookies. So there may be you know, three
Speaker 4: foot tall looks similar to the wookie Star Wars, but
Speaker 4: they don't talk and they don't telepathically speak to her,
Speaker 4: But I believe that they have telepathic abilities. When she's
Speaker 4: up there, you know, she treats them kind of like pets,
Speaker 4: you know, hangs out with them and then feeds them,
Speaker 4: treats and plays with them. That's in direct opposition to Grumps.
Speaker 4: I mean, he doesn't like the idea of it, but
Speaker 4: is allowed to. There's other instances that she reports that
Speaker 4: while she's up there she's seen other entities. There was
Speaker 4: an instance where another mantis entity, not Stella, was also
Speaker 4: on the ship, walking past the room while she was
Speaker 4: there with one of the wookies and seemed confused that
Speaker 4: she was holding the animal, so he went in there.
Speaker 4: He pulled the animal from her hands and then put
Speaker 4: it on the ground, and she went back to pick
Speaker 4: it back up again, and he put it back down
Speaker 4: on the ground, and she picked it back up again,
Speaker 4: and at that point one of the small grays walked by.
Speaker 4: He asked one of the small grays what is this?
Speaker 4: Is this normal? And the small grace said yeah, it is.
Speaker 4: And the mantis asked, well, who allows it, and the
Speaker 4: short grace said she does, at which point he went
Speaker 4: about his business and he walked out of the room.
Speaker 4: So that was a separate dream. And then there was
Speaker 4: another dream where I was woken up, so I don't
Speaker 4: remember being woken up. There was several instances where I
Speaker 4: was woken up in different dreams. I don't remember it,
Speaker 4: but this is what was reported to me. The first
Speaker 4: time that I was woken up, she had convinced one
Speaker 4: of the small wookies to wake me up. So I
Speaker 4: don't know that they have some kind of psionic ability
Speaker 4: that allows them to do that or some ability to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: So it woke me up while I was on the table.
Speaker 4: As soon as I woke up and I looked at
Speaker 4: her and I said hon She said, the room was
Speaker 4: flooded with grays and what I assumed was stella, So
Speaker 4: they all ran into the room and then the dream
Speaker 4: had ended. Then there was another instance with another dream
Speaker 4: where she had convinced an older wookie, so she was
Speaker 4: asking them to do it to wake me up, and
Speaker 4: the room she was in a room full of them.
Speaker 4: You know, from what I understanding is is that there's
Speaker 4: there's cages of these these wookies on the ship, so
Speaker 4: I assume that it's something like a breeding facility over
Speaker 4: these animals. But in any case, so there was a
Speaker 4: group of them and there was this older one with
Speaker 4: like disheveled hair like you know. It looked older than
Speaker 4: the rest of them and was a little heavy set,
Speaker 4: she said. She he walked toward her to accept what
Speaker 4: she had asked to be done. She picked him up,
Speaker 4: or tried to pick him up, and he was heavier
Speaker 4: than the other ones, you know. Stopped trying to pick
Speaker 4: him up, and then held his hand and then walked
Speaker 4: him over to me. So after she did that, he
Speaker 4: did something and put his hand on me or something,
Speaker 4: but it woke me up, So she said, as soon
Speaker 4: as I woke up, I sat up and then bolted
Speaker 4: out of the room and started running around. So at
Speaker 4: which case the small gray had come into the room
Speaker 4: and said where is he? And oh no, And then
Speaker 4: she said that the small gray had went back out,
Speaker 4: and then the tall gray grumps came in and was
Speaker 4: asking where I was, and then commenced to say, well,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to get contact Stella. So I don't
Speaker 4: know how they communicate, you know, wherever they are doing
Speaker 4: what they are, but he contacts Stella, and Stella is
Speaker 4: in a meeting with her higher ups. So apparently there's
Speaker 4: a high hierarchy of these beings, even the mantis beings
Speaker 4: that who are supposed to be at the top, that
Speaker 4: there's another whoever in charge of her. So in any case,
Speaker 4: you know, she comes down there and then they assume
Speaker 4: recapture me. So and then in the third instance where
Speaker 4: I was waking up, there was like a young Wookie,
Speaker 4: so I assume because it was young, it didn't know
Speaker 4: any better, and she convinced it to wake me up.
Speaker 4: So when she did, apparently I had made my way
Speaker 4: to one of the jump ships that they have and
Speaker 4: stole it. So Brumps was informed. Brumps goes and contacts Stella.
Speaker 4: Stella again is in another meeting, stops what she's doing
Speaker 4: to come and find me. My wife says that they
Speaker 4: put out a notice to other factions that the ship
Speaker 4: that was out was rogue and it wasn't in control
Speaker 4: by them, so they recaptured me because the ship had
Speaker 4: stalled out and then brought me back. So Stella said
Speaker 4: that that wasn't the first time that I've taken one
Speaker 4: of their ships, and that I've taken one of their
Speaker 4: transport vehicles before. So when they when she was talking
Speaker 4: with Grumps before they went out to go get me,
Speaker 4: she asked how many, and Grump said won. So then
Speaker 4: he knew that it was just me out there and
Speaker 4: not all of us. It's pretty wild. Like like I said,
Speaker 4: I don't want to believe it. I mean that there's
Speaker 4: this this scenario is going on, but this is what's
Speaker 4: reported to me. I don't have those those dreams and
Speaker 4: those experiences. I have very vivid dreams about other things
Speaker 4: that go on. Whether I'm having these experiences and then
Speaker 4: thinking that I'm having a dream about something else, like
Speaker 4: a screen memory, that could be possible, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: So Stella says, since those incidents, whenever I go on
Speaker 4: the ship, they put warning signs up now to let
Speaker 4: them know that I'm there that beyond extra caution. So
Speaker 4: after that event, you know, I was joking around with
Speaker 4: my wife and I told her so, I was like, so,
Speaker 4: what was I like, something like bugs Bunny and you know,
Speaker 4: just joking around, and she said that. Stella said, no,
Speaker 4: that I was more like Wiley Coyote instead, because of
Speaker 4: my core personality. Like I said earlier, there are other
Speaker 4: factions out there. So whatever faction Stella is like, I
Speaker 4: assume that factions would work similar to how we have
Speaker 4: different nations and then we have like a United Nations
Speaker 4: or like there's a governmental system between them where they're
Speaker 4: not all the same. You know, my wife had instances
Speaker 4: where she would have dreams where we would be abducted
Speaker 4: by gray entities that aren't part of Stella's faction. So,
Speaker 4: and it primarily happens after I do a deep meditation.
Speaker 4: The first time, it was reported that we were taken
Speaker 4: into the backyard and we were being brought through a portal,
Speaker 4: and before we went through the portal, we were standing
Speaker 4: in the backyard and the one of the gray entities
Speaker 4: had grabbed onto her wrist to bring her through the portal,
Speaker 4: and then there was like a light that had came
Speaker 4: from her arm. That entity then let go of her
Speaker 4: arm and then went to another one of the entities
Speaker 4: that was there, one of the grays, and said, put
Speaker 4: them back. And he said, what do you mean why
Speaker 4: would we put them back? He said, because she's going
Speaker 4: to be angry. He said, well, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: So he told the other gray to go back and check.
Speaker 4: So the other Gray went back and then held onto
Speaker 4: her wrist her arm and then proceeded to bring us back.
Speaker 4: That was the first instance. We also had an instance
Speaker 4: where the like there was orbs in the house. So
Speaker 4: but they weren't Stella's faction. They were a different faction
Speaker 4: that had been checking things out because I had been meditating,
Speaker 4: and they focused their attention on my youngest son. So
Speaker 4: while my wife was in the bathroom, she was getting
Speaker 4: communications to go check on my son. So she quickly
Speaker 4: went up and went to go check, and when she did,
Speaker 4: he was sleeping on his bed. But there was a
Speaker 4: blue orb that was floating above him. And as soon
Speaker 4: as she had seen the blue orb, it quickly moved
Speaker 4: and left, and as soon as it moved, there was
Speaker 4: a shadow entity that moved with it on the other side.
Speaker 4: So there was also an instance where my youngest son
Speaker 4: had disappeared.
Speaker 1: So we were in I was at work.
Speaker 4: My wife was at the house with the boy. He
Speaker 4: was sleeping on the couch. She did some errands and
Speaker 4: some laundry, and she came back to check on him
Speaker 4: and he wasn't on the couch. So she checked around
Speaker 4: the areas, checked the floor, she checked around, you know,
Speaker 4: all around that area, and then immediately went to go
Speaker 4: check the doors. All the doors were still locked. There's
Speaker 4: no way he could have got out. So she's freaking
Speaker 4: out because you know, she thinks that he's missing. While
Speaker 4: she's looking for him, she hears him crying. So he
Speaker 4: was in the same spot that he was originally on
Speaker 4: the couch. Whoever it was that took him immediately brought
Speaker 4: him back right after they took him. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: they realized like who he was connected to or what,
Speaker 4: but you know, it was it was quick, so they
Speaker 4: brought him back. So I think, you know, there's these
Speaker 4: factions and they don't step on each other's toes.
Speaker 1: So if they have a.
Speaker 4: Project or you know, something that's going on, they don't.
Speaker 4: And they realized that somebody else or something else is
Speaker 4: working on that or there or you know, protecting them,
Speaker 4: they won't mess with them and.
Speaker 1: They'll back off, you know.
Speaker 4: And then there was another instance where I had been
Speaker 4: meditating and my wife reported that there was a dream
Speaker 4: that she had where everything was black and she was
Speaker 4: being asked questions.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a woman and a man.
Speaker 4: So the man who was asking her questions about things,
Speaker 4: the man asked, where do you think you are? And
Speaker 4: she said on the ship. And she asked, well, where
Speaker 4: are the wookies?
Speaker 1: He said, what wookies?
Speaker 4: He said, the wookies that are on the ship. The guy,
Speaker 4: he said that we don't have those. I don't even
Speaker 4: know what you're talking about. So the woman then came
Speaker 4: into the conversation, and the guy asked the woman.
Speaker 1: What are wookies? Have you ever heard of these?
Speaker 4: And she said, yeah, I've heard of them, but only
Speaker 4: I've only ever heard of one other faction that has those,
Speaker 4: at which point her dream abruptly ended. So I think
Speaker 4: there was another instance where they figured out that we
Speaker 4: were tied to something else or someone else and immediately
Speaker 4: brought us back. There was another dream where she was
Speaker 4: on the ship and she was After that, she was
Speaker 4: on the ship and she was playing with the wookies again,
Speaker 4: and she said that there was another tall gray that
Speaker 4: she hadn't seen before who came in, and Stella was
Speaker 4: there as well, and the tall gray had one of
Speaker 4: those wookies with him and gave it back to Stella
Speaker 4: and said take it back.
Speaker 1: It's broken, And she said, well what do you mean.
Speaker 4: She said, well, it but it wants constant attention, and
Speaker 4: it wants it wants treats, so what's wrong with it?
Speaker 4: So Stella replied that it came from the medium batch
Speaker 4: and that it had had close contact with humans, at
Speaker 4: which point the tall gray looked surprised, and then that
Speaker 4: was the end of that dream. So I think, I
Speaker 4: think that these these wookie animals that they have because
Speaker 4: they have some kind of psionic ability, I think that
Speaker 4: instead of being used as pets, you know, I think
Speaker 4: they're being used more like tools of some sort, like
Speaker 4: a work animal rather than a pet. Like if it
Speaker 4: was a pet, you know, you'd want to give it affection,
Speaker 4: you want to give it attention, I mean, because that's
Speaker 4: why you have it. But it appeared as though these
Speaker 4: entities use these animals more like a work animal rather
Speaker 4: than a pet. So she had another dream and another
Speaker 4: point where she had seen one of the reptilians on
Speaker 4: the ship again. When she had seen the reptilian, it
Speaker 4: looked confused and had asked one of the grays there
Speaker 4: if that was normal. He said yeah, and asked who
Speaker 4: allows it, and they said she does, at which point
Speaker 4: he went about his business and kept.
Speaker 1: Moving, and that was the end of that dream.
Speaker 4: My wife also had a dream where she was moving
Speaker 4: around in the ship, just kind of exploring, and she
Speaker 4: came on a room that had tubes in them that
Speaker 4: looked like babies in the tube, like human babies in
Speaker 4: the tube, and the Grumps was there because he was
Speaker 4: tasked with following her around the ship to make sure
Speaker 4: that she wasn't going to get into trouble.
Speaker 1: So that's why there's always a gray there with.
Speaker 4: Her as she's moving around the ship, just to make
Speaker 4: sure that, you know, nothing bad happens, especially after instances,
Speaker 4: you know, throughout. So in any case, she asked about
Speaker 4: the babies and wants to know if any of those
Speaker 4: is hers. He points to one of them and tells
Speaker 4: her that that one, that that girl is yours, at
Speaker 4: which point she says, I want to take it. I
Speaker 4: want to take it home, and Grumps tells her that
Speaker 4: she can't, and if she did that, the baby wouldn't
Speaker 4: survive on earth.
Speaker 1: There's no way that she can.
Speaker 4: After for a period of time after she had that dream,
Speaker 4: she was randomly hearing a baby cry in real life,
Speaker 4: you know, while she's conscious and awake at home. I
Speaker 4: didn't hear it, but you know, she did, and she
Speaker 4: was pretty distraught by hearing it. And that went on
Speaker 4: for at least a couple of weeks. She reported that
Speaker 4: she had a dream where she had succeeded on actually
Speaker 4: getting the baby out of the tube and got the
Speaker 4: baby out of the tube and had one of the
Speaker 4: Wookies with it and use the Wookie to wake me up,
Speaker 4: and that we were all in a ship trying to escape,
Speaker 4: but we were eventually apprehended. So I think one of
Speaker 4: Stella's main goals is to change my core personality type.
Speaker 4: She wants me to be more positive and to see
Speaker 4: the beauty in the chaos and stop being the negative, defiant,
Speaker 4: stubborn person that I continue to be.
Speaker 1: Now. I don't know why. I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's altruistic and they're doing it
Speaker 4: just because you know, they're trying to be nice, or
Speaker 4: because there's some ulterior motive associated with that. So, if
Speaker 4: these interdimensional beings are are tasked with, you know, timeline
Speaker 4: manipulation or overseeing timelines, if they could change a constant
Speaker 4: something that is constant, somebody who's constantly negative or has
Speaker 4: negative you know, personality types such as myself, into a
Speaker 4: more positive being, it may look like it's a mark
Speaker 4: of achievement or a like a thesis or magnum opus
Speaker 4: or whatever you want to call it. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe that has something to do with it. Then they
Speaker 4: see it as like a mark of achievement. At one point,
Speaker 4: I told Stella that I was willing to do what
Speaker 4: she asked me to do and try to shift into
Speaker 4: this more positive version of myself. But I told her
Speaker 4: I wanted I wanted something in return. So I told
Speaker 4: her I wanted all of my memories back, So all
Speaker 4: of the things that I've done, I want to be
Speaker 4: able to remember that. If they've taken them from me
Speaker 4: and that's why I don't remember, then I want them back.
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, I also want my sovereignty.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be just some you know, lab experiment.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd rather be looked at like I'm a
Speaker 4: person rather than you know, a thing. So she took
Speaker 4: a second or a few seconds to think about it,
Speaker 4: and then replied understood, and that she was going to
Speaker 4: go back to her higher ups and see what she
Speaker 4: can do. Months later, she came back to me and
Speaker 4: said that they were willing to give me my memories,
Speaker 4: but only with safeguards in place. So I think that
Speaker 4: part of the dreams that I'm having are memories of
Speaker 4: asked events or parallel events that are happening. And it
Speaker 4: was unlocked when I asked to update my soul contract. So,
Speaker 4: like I said, I've had a lot of dreams myself,
Speaker 4: but they weren't like my wife's where we're on the ship,
Speaker 4: you know, and stuff happens on the ship. They feel
Speaker 4: like distinct other me. There's just there're different versions of myself,
Speaker 4: you know, and the environment is different, so like the
Speaker 4: technology that we have is different, and things that just
Speaker 4: wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 1: For example, I.
Speaker 4: Had a dream where I had seen a It looked
Speaker 4: like a plane, but it was very robust and like
Speaker 4: a thicker version of a plane, Like it's not aerodynamic
Speaker 4: at all, like in terms of like being able to
Speaker 4: lift itself.
Speaker 1: So I think it has some.
Speaker 4: Kind of a anti graph technology that it uses. And
Speaker 4: the belly of that plane was used to hould like
Speaker 4: cargo containers.
Speaker 1: I saw on.
Speaker 4: The bottom where it had the connectors where cargo containers
Speaker 4: would go, as if it would just float over the
Speaker 4: container and then somehow rip it onto the bottom of
Speaker 4: it and then carry it off. But in that dream
Speaker 4: I was standing in front of my doorway, and there
Speaker 4: was the street in front of me, the sidewalk in
Speaker 4: front of me. It was an industrial complex or industrial
Speaker 4: zoning area, so it was like I could see like
Speaker 4: a water tower and there was you know, fence, and
Speaker 4: then I seen that that plane in the sky moving
Speaker 4: and then it dipped like it started to turn sideways
Speaker 4: and then nose down, and then it hit the ground
Speaker 4: and it exploded. That's when that dream ended. The technology
Speaker 4: was definitely different. It's not something we normally have. I
Speaker 4: also had a dream where I had seen a craft.
Speaker 4: I was walking down the street, and as I was
Speaker 4: walking down the street, I looked up and I seen
Speaker 4: a craft floating just above like houses, maybe three hundred
Speaker 4: feet in the air above ground level.
Speaker 1: And it was a very distinct looking craft.
Speaker 4: It looked kind of like a conch shell, but it
Speaker 4: had like spines, like three spines that went out the front,
Speaker 4: and then it had spines that went up the back
Speaker 4: of it and then pointed to.
Speaker 1: The back, so it kind of swept back.
Speaker 4: There was a bunch of spines swept back maybe like
Speaker 4: nine to twelve, similar to how like a porcupine's quills
Speaker 4: sweep back across its back and that's how that craft.
Speaker 4: The spines were on the back of that craft, so
Speaker 4: it was just kind of floating, moving slowly from right
Speaker 4: to left. And it freaked me out in the dream
Speaker 4: when I seen it, so I immediately started to run,
Speaker 4: and when I was running, I seen this really brilliant
Speaker 4: blue flash. Right after I seen that blue flash, there
Speaker 4: was this suction that was pulling me backward, lifting dirt
Speaker 4: and rock and debris off of the ground with it
Speaker 4: and pulling stuff in toward the direction of where this
Speaker 4: craft was. I grabbed a hold of a tree and
Speaker 4: wrapped my arms and my legs around the tree as
Speaker 4: it continued to pull me back, and that's when that
Speaker 4: dream ended. So I've had multiple dreams where yeah, it's
Speaker 4: just like strange stuff happening, like I've seen my own
Speaker 4: death before in dreams. I know other people have reported
Speaker 4: that as well. But you know, with the background that
Speaker 4: I have, I think that I may be seeing those
Speaker 4: parallel lives or other versions of myself, you know, and
Speaker 4: what's going on there.
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Speaker 4: So off of the dream subject. Not too long ago,
Speaker 4: one of my family friends had passed away and well it's.
Speaker 1: More like an acquaintance.
Speaker 4: He's a guy that I work with and his father
Speaker 4: had passed away, and that night Stella told me that
Speaker 4: he was with his son driving in the corvette and
Speaker 4: to tell his wife and she gave me her name
Speaker 4: that everything was going to be okay. So I went
Speaker 4: back and I asked my coworker to confirm if the
Speaker 4: his mom's name was in fact that and it was.
Speaker 4: And I asked him if his father had his father's
Speaker 4: son or his brother had had a corvette, and he
Speaker 4: said yeah. So he confirmed both points that the what
Speaker 4: the name of the wife was, and he confirmed that
Speaker 4: his that the other one had the corvette. So for me,
Speaker 4: that was a confirmation that they have a link to
Speaker 4: the spiritual world on the other side. So, like I
Speaker 4: was saying earlier, with you know, this being a simulation,
Speaker 4: you know that maybe another world that's attached to this
Speaker 4: one kind of like I don't know, like a storage
Speaker 4: or just the next step in what we're doing, Like
Speaker 4: if this is a spiritual evolution thing, like maybe that's
Speaker 4: like the holding area until you go back in to
Speaker 4: try again or or what. So I don't know. So
Speaker 4: there's that on top of that. You know, my mother
Speaker 4: recently passed away as well, Now my mom. When I
Speaker 4: had the experiences where I felt presences, I told my
Speaker 4: mom about it, and she told me that she believed
Speaker 4: me because she could see things that other people say
Speaker 4: aren't there. So and she's not the only one. My
Speaker 4: nephew has reported the same thing where he has seen
Speaker 4: people that weren't supposed to be there. So, for example,
Speaker 4: my nephew was at a at his house and he
Speaker 4: was in his room just relaxing, and he said, there
Speaker 4: was this old woman that walked past his doorway and
Speaker 4: being astonished because he's the only one who's supposed to
Speaker 4: be in the house, you know, he doesn't know what's
Speaker 4: going on. And then as the woman walks past, this
Speaker 4: little dog passes with her.
Speaker 1: He's freaked out by it.
Speaker 4: He goes, he leaves, and he looks out the doorway
Speaker 4: and she's gone.
Speaker 1: She's no where to be found.
Speaker 4: He looks around the house in order to be found,
Speaker 4: so he goes, he leaves, he comes back, he talks
Speaker 4: to the downstairs neighbor and explains what he had seen.
Speaker 4: And the downstairs neighbor had said that that was the
Speaker 4: description of the woman who had died in his house previously,
Speaker 4: and that was the description of the dog that she
Speaker 4: had had, and there's no way that he could have
Speaker 4: seen them because she had died years previously. So that's
Speaker 4: an instance where you know, both my mother and my
Speaker 4: nephew have seen something that they are a person who
Speaker 4: has already passed that there shouldn't be there. So so,
Speaker 4: like I was saying, recently, my mother passed away. So
Speaker 4: two weeks before my mother passing away, my wife goes
Speaker 4: to pick up the cake for my son because his
Speaker 4: birthday was around that time. So she goes to pick
Speaker 4: up the cake and she's waiting at the bakery. There's
Speaker 4: a woman standing there with her, and then she tells
Speaker 4: the guy what she wants.
Speaker 1: He goes back to go get it.
Speaker 4: She said that there was another woman who came up
Speaker 4: who gave her a hug and then told her to
Speaker 4: tell Jay that I said hi, and that everything is
Speaker 4: going to be okay, and then she gives her a
Speaker 4: hug and then walks away. My wife turns back to
Speaker 4: go deal with the cake situation and then realizes that
Speaker 4: she didn't get the name of the person, so there's
Speaker 4: no way to relay the information. She turns back. When
Speaker 4: she turns back, the woman's gone. So she looks at
Speaker 4: the baker who just comes out and says, did you
Speaker 4: see which way the woman went? So he says, what woman,
Speaker 4: and then points to the lady who's standing next to
Speaker 4: my wife. She says, no, it's not that woman. That
Speaker 4: the other woman that was just here said there was
Speaker 4: no other woman, so and then the lady who's standing
Speaker 4: next to her.
Speaker 1: She asked her if she.
Speaker 4: Had seen which way the woman went, and the woman
Speaker 4: that was standing next to her also said that there
Speaker 4: was no woman there. So at the time, I didn't
Speaker 4: understand what was going on. When my wife relaid the
Speaker 4: information to me that a woman had come up to
Speaker 4: her and did that, I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 4: I said, Okay, well, maybe it's just somebody saying hi,
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't know, maybe it's because of
Speaker 4: you know, my friend's father who passed away. You know,
Speaker 4: maybe it had something to do with that. So I
Speaker 4: didn't think nothing of it. And then two weeks later,
Speaker 4: my mom passes away, and I didn't think anything about
Speaker 4: it until my brother brought it up. He's like, well,
Speaker 4: didn't you tell me that she had an incident where
Speaker 4: she was at and then she got approached by somebody,
Speaker 4: And I say, yeah, but I I you know, I
Speaker 4: didn't put two and two together until he said something
Speaker 4: about it. There's that, And then you know, I was
Speaker 4: talking with my sister about it, and she's also had
Speaker 4: an experience where she was at the hospital she had
Speaker 4: a premature baby. Before she had the baby, the doctors
Speaker 4: checked her out and told her that she was good
Speaker 4: to go home. So they left, and she said that
Speaker 4: a woman came into the hospital room and then told
Speaker 4: her that she wasn't going anywhere and that she she
Speaker 4: wasn't okay and that the baby wasn't okay and she
Speaker 4: needed to stay there, and that the woman left the room.
Speaker 4: Then the nurses came back in. When the nurses came
Speaker 4: in to you know, help her leave, she told them
Speaker 4: that the lady who came in told her that she's
Speaker 4: not okay.
Speaker 1: So they weren't sure who she was talking about.
Speaker 4: So the doctors they come back in and they're looking
Speaker 4: her over, and they decided to keep her there. Well,
Speaker 4: they looked at the security camera footage and no woman
Speaker 4: went into that room, but it showed in the camera.
Speaker 4: From what my sister says is that the door opened
Speaker 4: as if somebody had pushed the door open and then
Speaker 4: somebody had come through.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I just find it similar to the instance where you know,
Speaker 4: my wife is getting the cake and then you know,
Speaker 4: a woman comes up and then tells her everything's going
Speaker 4: to be okay. So also the the day that my mother,
Speaker 4: my mother passed away, on my way home, I had
Speaker 4: a terrible headache all day. But on my way home
Speaker 4: I noticed that there was a lot of birds flying
Speaker 4: toward my vehicle and it just it was really odd.
Speaker 4: It was enough for me to say, Hey, what's going
Speaker 4: on here? So later on when I got home, I
Speaker 4: started talking to my wife about it, and she said,
Speaker 4: Stella says that the birds were messengers, and messengers of what.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So as the night goes on, I get a message
Speaker 4: from my aunt later that night that my mother had
Speaker 4: passed away. It was a it was a difficult moment.
Speaker 4: A few weeks later, my wife has taking my youngest
Speaker 4: son to a social event at the fire hall.
Speaker 1: When they got.
Speaker 4: There, uh, they were they were going around looking at stuff,
Speaker 4: doing stuff, and she was standing there talking to somebody
Speaker 4: and she thought she saw the backside of my mother
Speaker 4: standing there, but she wasn't quite sure, so she kept
Speaker 4: talking to the.
Speaker 1: Other people that were there.
Speaker 4: But my son afterward, because he was in the stroller,
Speaker 4: My son afterward told her or that he.
Speaker 1: Had seen my mom.
Speaker 4: Now he used my mom's name, you know what we
Speaker 4: call her, but he didn't he hasn't met her.
Speaker 1: I mean my mom.
Speaker 4: She had been sick for a long time, and she
Speaker 4: had been in Kingston for like twelve years and had
Speaker 4: never met the boy. So and we don't really like
Speaker 4: talk about her like that at the house, so you know,
Speaker 4: he couldn't have overheard the name. But in any case,
Speaker 4: he said that he had seen a portal open up,
Speaker 4: because he at this point he's four years old, so
Speaker 4: he said he had seen a portal open up and
Speaker 4: the biggest big eyes that he had ever seen come
Speaker 4: out of the portal with a heavy set or a
Speaker 4: he said, a fat woman, and that she said what
Speaker 4: her name was and that she wanted to meet him
Speaker 4: because she loves him. She had never been able to before.
Speaker 4: You know, I think that was an instance where they're
Speaker 4: where Stella is trying to make me happy and had
Speaker 4: my mom's spirit come through and see the boy. So
Speaker 4: I think that there's a connection with the other side
Speaker 4: and these entities.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Since then, there's been other instances where like, like I
Speaker 4: wasn't sure, like with the arrangements, if my mom was
Speaker 4: going to be okay with the arrangements, and you know,
Speaker 4: I was kind of stressing about it, and Stella said
Speaker 4: that everything was okay, that mom mom liked everything, that
Speaker 4: I was doing. She she thought I was crazy for
Speaker 4: doing it, you know, but because she didn't want to
Speaker 4: have all of it done. It was because of the
Speaker 4: the effort involved in doing what I did. But I
Speaker 4: did it so she and she was happy with it
Speaker 4: and that she would never she could never be mad
Speaker 4: at me for that. There was that instance, And you know,
Speaker 4: I believe that my mom is still kind of hanging
Speaker 4: out and she doesn't want to move on. And I
Speaker 4: believe my mom is just as stubborn as I am,
Speaker 4: so she's not going to move on without knowing that
Speaker 4: her kids are going to be okay. So occasionally, you know,
Speaker 4: Stella will say something like, uh, you know you she'd
Speaker 4: be like, you know, your mom wanted to let you
Speaker 4: know that, you know, she finds it interesting that you
Speaker 4: still have this knickknack that she gave me, like however
Speaker 4: many years ago, or like, you know, the other night
Speaker 4: they were talking. She was talking about the cooking and
Speaker 4: she made like a specific dish that was like but
Speaker 4: it was a store bought one instead of a homemade one.
Speaker 4: So Stella was relaying the recipe that my mom had
Speaker 4: to my wife through Stella. So you know, I, like
Speaker 4: I said, I think that wherever we go after we're
Speaker 4: done here, they have access to it. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: that they primarily live there, or maybe it's just a
Speaker 4: go through between where you know, it's just a you know,
Speaker 4: a way through, but they have access to it for sure,
Speaker 4: and that makes sense. If these entities are extra dimensional, right,
Speaker 4: they have the ability to do things that we wouldn't
Speaker 4: be able to. So the way that I'm looking at
Speaker 4: it is similar to like a video game. Okay, so
Speaker 4: you have your characters in game. So if you look
Speaker 4: at the people as if their characters in game, right,
Speaker 4: our time flows right. But to these entities, they're outside
Speaker 4: of the game in some respects, and then they have
Speaker 4: access to the game through like avatars. So when they
Speaker 4: say that the body is just a vessel, for example,
Speaker 4: like Bob Lazarre was talking about, now the entities were
Speaker 4: saying that the body is just a vessel, then it's
Speaker 4: similar to a video game where you have a character
Speaker 4: in the video game, and then you can control the
Speaker 4: character in the video game. The technology that they have
Speaker 4: is so advanced that it appears as though it's magic
Speaker 4: to us, Like we just can't believe that they can
Speaker 4: do what they can do. But if you look at
Speaker 4: it through the eyes of a video game or a simulation,
Speaker 4: then everything makes sense. It's just these entities have admin status.
Speaker 4: They can do things like god mode or fast travel
Speaker 4: or you know whatever. At least that's the way that
Speaker 4: I see it currently with my current understanding. If I
Speaker 4: get new data, then you know, that may update how
Speaker 4: I see the world.
Speaker 1: But as it is now, it seems as.
Speaker 4: Though that this is a sort of simulation, and that
Speaker 4: like I said, I'm not sure it's a computer. I mean,
Speaker 4: it may be biological in nature. Consciousness itself may be
Speaker 4: a fractal. It might be like a like a Mandel
Speaker 4: brought set where consciousness begets consciousness begets consciousness like a
Speaker 4: mirror in front of another mirror.
Speaker 1: It's like, how far does it go? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that's.
Speaker 4: Why I stated earlier that this is one of the
Speaker 4: most complex questions that anybody can ask in the nature
Speaker 4: of reality itself.
Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing all that, Jay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was the end, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's taken so long to go through it all.
Speaker 4: I just I know that there was a lot of information.
Speaker 5: That's okay, you did just great and how'd you feel.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, now that I've said everything out. Part
Speaker 4: of the reason why I didn't want to do the
Speaker 4: interviews because I didn't want to give what's happening freedoms.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, once I say it out loud, it
Speaker 4: gives it, you know, more life, more realism, because you know,
Speaker 4: part of me just doesn't want to accept that any
Speaker 4: of this is real. I don't want to accept that,
Speaker 4: and that's why I keep pushing it back. Keep I
Speaker 4: keep having pushback, you know, and I and questioning things
Speaker 4: and like some of this stuff, if this stuff is real,
Speaker 4: then this changes everything. Not all of it doesn't even
Speaker 4: have to be real. There's just a few things in
Speaker 4: here that have to be real, and it's reality shifting.
Speaker 4: And it's a huge ask.
Speaker 5: Do you believe that your childhood sightings are connected with
Speaker 5: your later experiences?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, I didn't tell you before.
Speaker 4: My brother he's had experiences too, So around the same
Speaker 4: time that we seen the blue light, he reported seeing
Speaker 4: later on, after I talked to him about it, he
Speaker 4: reported seeing the three beings with a with a like
Speaker 4: a tannish color skin, with the large eyes that came
Speaker 4: into the room. Because we used to sleep in my
Speaker 4: mom's room. So I mean, it's it's all connected. They've
Speaker 4: been watching me for a long time. I mean, and
Speaker 4: it's not just that now they're they're watching the whole family.
Speaker 4: Like I was telling you before I got the there's
Speaker 4: grays that are posted up in my house. They're kind
Speaker 4: of like guardians or sentinels, you know, because we've had
Speaker 4: these other entities that come in and snatch us up.
Speaker 4: Those other ones that are here kind of watch over things.
Speaker 4: So you know, they don't have names. We gave them
Speaker 4: nicknames and they don't have to take those nicknames. So
Speaker 4: but they they kind of do like when they want
Speaker 4: so we Grammond is the name that I gave the
Speaker 4: one who likes to mess with the electronics. Graymond is
Speaker 4: the one who messes with electronics, so he does like
Speaker 4: the computer stuff. And I'm pretty sure he's the one
Speaker 4: who posted the second picture of the gray entity that
Speaker 4: was that's in my attic. It doesn't stay there, it's
Speaker 4: just it was there, and they took a picture. One
Speaker 4: of them took a picture probably with one of our phones,
Speaker 4: and uploaded it onto my social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't do that.
Speaker 4: I was in the shower when that got posted right,
Speaker 4: and then my wife was busy doing stuff in the
Speaker 4: living room, so she didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I asked her, are you doing it?
Speaker 4: So you know, the only other option here is that
Speaker 4: my wife is some kind of super secret spy agent
Speaker 4: level of competence and is running some unimaginable campaign to
Speaker 4: get me to believe whatever it is that she's telling
Speaker 4: me or these things exist. And I find it really
Speaker 4: hard to believe that she has the aptitude to pull
Speaker 4: off something like that. So well, like I said, you know,
Speaker 4: we have the grays that are posted up here, So
Speaker 4: we got Graymond right, so he's like the tech guy.
Speaker 4: And then Big Eyes is kind of the one who
Speaker 4: watches over my youngest son. And then we have what
Speaker 4: I call the tweedles, so tweedle dumb and tweedlede because
Speaker 4: they like to mess with things.
Speaker 1: They think they're helping, but they're not.
Speaker 4: So they mess with my coffee pot and cause it
Speaker 4: to overflow, or they take like they mess with our
Speaker 4: animals and then get all our reptiles all riled up
Speaker 4: and start like banging against cages and things like that.
Speaker 4: So I mean, we have the tweedles, and then there's
Speaker 4: a new one that showed up that's friends with Big
Speaker 4: Eyes called Terry. I didn't know about this one until
Speaker 4: my youngest son notified me that Big Eyes has a
Speaker 4: new friend named Terry. He's scared of humans, so he
Speaker 4: kind of like backs off. I asked which one it
Speaker 4: was in the photo, and Stella confirmed that it wasn't
Speaker 4: any of the normal ones. So I'm assuming that that
Speaker 4: was Terry who got the photo taken of. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure so, but but yeah, there's a lot, man, there's
Speaker 4: a lot going on, you know. I just I don't
Speaker 4: want to believe that it's real. But I can't say
Speaker 4: that it's not because all of the experiences that I've had.
Speaker 4: You know, you can you can explain away certain things,
Speaker 4: right Like you can say, you know, it's just sleep
Speaker 4: paralysis or hypnopompic hallucinations or I mean it's uh, you know,
Speaker 4: when you when you when I wake up, I see
Speaker 4: symbols sometimes, so I mean, they say that that's phosphenes. So,
Speaker 4: but I think that they're just trying to make excuses
Speaker 4: for the thing because they don't understand the thing. So
Speaker 4: and I think science and religion are both trying to
Speaker 4: solve the same question, but they don't understand that they're
Speaker 4: they're looking. They're like if you have two blind people
Speaker 4: trying to describe what they're seeing, right, or what they're experiencing,
Speaker 4: and one person who's blind grabs a hold of the
Speaker 4: elephant's leg and tells you it's a tree, and the
Speaker 4: other person grabs a hold of the trunk right and
Speaker 4: tells you that it's a snake. Because they're they're using
Speaker 4: the senses that they have, they don't have the ability
Speaker 4: to see that it's an elephant, so they're using their
Speaker 4: other senses to tell them what it is. So the
Speaker 4: one is wrong because he says it's a tree, obviously
Speaker 4: it's not. The other one's wrong because it's it's not
Speaker 4: a snake, right, But neither one of them understand that
Speaker 4: they're they're trying to describe the same thing, and they're
Speaker 4: describing aspects of the same thing, but on different sides.
Speaker 1: So at least that's how I see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is true. Are you religious?
Speaker 4: I was baptized Roman Catholic, but I've never practiced. You know,
Speaker 4: I'll go to a church during events, you know, when
Speaker 4: i'm asked to. You know, half of my kids are baptized.
Speaker 4: The other have haven't. I've also been married in a church,
Speaker 4: so but not overly religious. No, but that that's part
Speaker 4: of the reason why I'm trying to understand what all
Speaker 4: this is. I mean, and I'm looking I mean, because
Speaker 4: it's up to everybody. It's your own personal choice right
Speaker 4: to look into these things, use your constructive criticisms or
Speaker 4: your your your your own judgment discernment to try and
Speaker 4: figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, which ones the true faith? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know which one is the true faith, but
Speaker 4: I mean, you have multiple options. It's like this person
Speaker 4: says this, this person says that, so on and so.
Speaker 1: Forth down the line.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 4: I mean, and part of the reason why everybody is
Speaker 4: fighting is because of these belief systems that they don't
Speaker 4: even know that they're they're true or not. They're just
Speaker 4: they're basing it off of what other people are saying.
Speaker 4: Specifically with religion, you know, they're basing it off of
Speaker 4: texts that happen way back when. They may have artifacts
Speaker 4: from back then, but they witness accounts of the people
Speaker 4: who've witnessed the miracles ain't around no more so you
Speaker 4: can't really tell.
Speaker 1: So it's just this long drawn.
Speaker 4: Out like what the hell I don't I don't know, so,
Speaker 4: but at this point, from my own personal experiences, there's
Speaker 4: something going on. There isn't there is an afterlife. There
Speaker 4: is something outside of our reality, whether it's you know,
Speaker 4: God through the Christian faith or the Jewish faith, or
Speaker 4: the Monad through Gnostic faith or uh, everything is shiva,
Speaker 4: like the Chevaism says that you know, everything is just
Speaker 4: Shiva playing it, playing a divine game, you know. It's
Speaker 4: it's up to every person to figure it out for themselves.
Speaker 4: At this point, like I said, I'm pretty sure there's
Speaker 4: something outside of this system, and I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 4: when I died I seen it. I seen it and
Speaker 4: I didn't know so when I looked in it to Kashmir,
Speaker 4: Shavaya is they describe the egg of creation in the void,
Speaker 4: So they described the exact thing that I seen, But
Speaker 4: I didn't read that until like three years ago, and
Speaker 4: when I had my near death it was over twenty
Speaker 4: two years ago, so there's no way for me to
Speaker 4: have known that information. So from my personal perspective, I mean,
Speaker 4: that makes sense to me, Like Kashmir Shavaism makes sense
Speaker 4: to me that we.
Speaker 1: Are all of the one. We're all of the.
Speaker 4: One, the source where everything is Shiva, and we're just
Speaker 4: all having divine play. We got bored and we created
Speaker 4: a world to play in it. So it's no different
Speaker 4: than a dream. Everything is just whether you know, when
Speaker 4: you say simulation, it's no different than a dream. When
Speaker 4: you're dreaming, it's the simulation. It's the same thing. Like
Speaker 4: I said earlier, if you're if you're dreaming it, are
Speaker 4: you making it or is something else making it?
Speaker 1: Either way, it's being made. So I'm on the fence.
Speaker 4: So the way I'm looking at it personally right now,
Speaker 4: I see that we are in a in a gnostic reality,
Speaker 4: nestled within a Chevak reality. So we created this gnostic
Speaker 4: reality as the game, and then the breakout through the
Speaker 4: Arkans and the demi Urge as like the bosses.
Speaker 1: Of the game.
Speaker 4: And then once we beat that, we go back to
Speaker 4: the Monad and you realize that the Monad and the
Speaker 4: source creation for Shiva are the same thing. They're just
Speaker 4: two different ways to go about it. The Monad is
Speaker 4: just it is what it is, and it does what
Speaker 4: it does on its own without knowing that it's doing it.
Speaker 4: It's just creating to create, whereas you know in Chevaism,
Speaker 4: it's like you're Shiva, you created all of this, and
Speaker 4: then eventually you put all the the legos back in
Speaker 4: the box. So when they see Siva, they see him
Speaker 4: as the destroyer. Oh no, he's going to destroy everything
Speaker 4: and he's taking apart the lego is putting him back
Speaker 4: in the box so that we can create again. It's
Speaker 4: a cycle, it goes on forever. That's where I'm at
Speaker 4: with religion right now. I can't prove it. Most people
Speaker 4: can't prove their religions to be real or not. But
Speaker 4: like I said, it's up to each individual person, because
Speaker 4: each individual person is their their own consciousness moving through
Speaker 4: through the maze. We're all finding our trying to find
Speaker 4: our way through the maze.
Speaker 5: In all different places, all different speeds.
Speaker 4: Right In Gnosissism, that's the process of nosis, of knowing.
Speaker 4: So once you know it, you know that's the only
Speaker 4: way out is to know it and know that the
Speaker 4: demiurge and the Arkans that this world that we're in,
Speaker 4: that they've constructed, this three dimensional world, is theirs, right,
Speaker 4: But we are not of it. We are of the monad,
Speaker 4: so we have to find our way out, right. So
Speaker 4: once you because if you fight it, if you fight
Speaker 4: the demiurge, that's what he wants. He wants you to fight.
Speaker 4: He wants the loos he feeds on that, he feeds on,
Speaker 4: the negativity, he feeds on, the the constant fighting, that's
Speaker 4: what he wants. But if you realize that he doesn't matter,
Speaker 4: and that none of what he does matters, and that
Speaker 4: you aren't of it, and you can find your way out.
Speaker 4: So but I think that's part of the game, is
Speaker 4: to find our way out of the system. And like
Speaker 4: I had said earlier, you know, Stella had told me
Speaker 4: that I had found my way outside the system before
Speaker 4: I broke the rules before and she told me that
Speaker 4: whoever is in charge of this simulation this place has
Speaker 4: put safeguards into it because of things that I've done.
Speaker 4: So I think that that's why they're they're following me,
Speaker 4: not because of you know, me being some important thing
Speaker 4: that's going to change things, or it's because I've done
Speaker 4: things that they don't like that I've done. So she's
Speaker 4: more like a interdimensional parole officer. That's how I look
Speaker 4: at it, you know, keeping me out of trouble, making
Speaker 4: sure I'm not going to open the doors that I'm
Speaker 4: not supposed to.
Speaker 5: This is just like that film, what was it, Jim
Speaker 5: Carrey film? One word? He's in like a.
Speaker 1: TV show, Oh, the Truman Show.
Speaker 5: That's it, The Truman Show where he finally opens up
Speaker 5: that door to the studio.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're all like that. It's everybody's like that.
Speaker 4: It's everybody is creating their own reality for themselves. So
Speaker 4: it's everybody's figuring their own way out as far as
Speaker 4: I know. I mean, that's my working hypothesis, is that
Speaker 4: we're all trying to find our way out.
Speaker 1: Now, what's really going on? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like I said, it could be that it's just a
Speaker 4: like an AI program that's using us as virtual machines
Speaker 4: to train the AI program.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's no different than you know.
Speaker 4: What the AI modelers are doing now. They do the
Speaker 4: same thing, like they they run the virtual simulation before
Speaker 4: they have the real world robot with the AI in
Speaker 4: it to do the said task. So they do it
Speaker 4: a certain amount of times before it learns how to
Speaker 4: do it. But it's all virtually before it does it physically,
Speaker 4: so it could be doing the same thing. So because
Speaker 4: it doesn't make sense, It's like, how many times do
Speaker 4: you have to experience being born?
Speaker 1: How many billion?
Speaker 4: There's billions of people in the world. Do you think
Speaker 4: that you wouldn't have to know after the first billion times? So,
Speaker 4: but the same could be said for any other action.
Speaker 4: So really, what is it after? It would be after
Speaker 4: whatever novel experiences that you have. Anything new, it would
Speaker 4: be after that. And the only way that you can
Speaker 4: get to the new is by new combinations. You combine
Speaker 4: things that you weren't normally combining before to get to
Speaker 4: said thing.
Speaker 5: So pretty deep, jay as certainly loads to unpack.
Speaker 4: Like I said, that's where my mind is. I'm not
Speaker 4: the smartest person in the world. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 4: even go to college. I just caught up in real
Speaker 4: world stuff, you know. I mean, and I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: an average guy trying to understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that those wookies man or whatever. Like
Speaker 4: I've heard one other person talking about them. It was
Speaker 4: one of the military guys, the older fellow kind of stout.
Speaker 4: In fact, I can't remember his name, but he's only
Speaker 4: ever mentioned it once that they're they're there. But I
Speaker 4: can't help but think that, you know, instead of being
Speaker 4: the wookies, maybe there's a connection between them and the Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Because if if they're doing genetic manipulation right, and they're
Speaker 4: they're doing whatever they're doing, I mean, they could also
Speaker 4: have the DNA for these these other beings, these the Sasquatch,
Speaker 4: and then do whatever to make the things that they have,
Speaker 4: So I mean they could be their product. I mean,
Speaker 4: humanity could be their product. I mean if you look
Speaker 4: at the stories of the Onunaki, you know, and the
Speaker 4: watchers coming down and doing what they're doing. I mean,
Speaker 4: like I said, I looked into the Sumerian thing too,
Speaker 4: but it was only after that I heard that name
Speaker 4: in my mind which led me down that path.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it before that.
Speaker 4: So I mean, there may be something to this Sumerian myth,
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe they're describing something outside of the
Speaker 4: system that we're in now. I mean, it may not
Speaker 4: be that it was here physically. I mean, it could
Speaker 4: be somewhere else. I don't think it's what we think
Speaker 4: it is, So what mainstream people think it is. I
Speaker 4: think they're content with letting us think that it's that
Speaker 4: as a form of misdirection.
Speaker 5: Easier to absorb, isn't it. It's a really complex subject.
Speaker 5: People have so many experiences and different experiences, subjective experiences.
Speaker 5: It's like a big onion.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The way that it all fits is that it's all consciousness.
Speaker 4: Consciousness is fundamental. Everything starts as a thought, so you know,
Speaker 4: even you know, lifting your hand up. I mean there's
Speaker 4: electrical signals that come from the brain, but where does
Speaker 4: the brain get the thought to do that, to send
Speaker 4: the signal? Right, So it's all about consciousness. So ultimately,
Speaker 4: if we are all part of source, right, and we're
Speaker 4: all we are of source, and we have some limited
Speaker 4: ability that source has, like if we're just fractals of it,
Speaker 4: we may be just a diminished version of it, you know,
Speaker 4: trying to evolve and become because like I was saying earlier,
Speaker 4: like we could be the way like consciousness, right, could
Speaker 4: be pro creating. It could be like was it mitosis
Speaker 4: or is it cellular division?
Speaker 1: Where it divides itself.
Speaker 4: So it's just it's dividing itself right into these these
Speaker 4: different vessels and then those different vessels or the end
Speaker 4: the consciousness in those vessels goes through this journey of
Speaker 4: growth to get to the point to where it can
Speaker 4: be what the original was, and then it continues on
Speaker 4: and does it again. So who knows how many source
Speaker 4: consciousnesses there are. That's why I said, if it's like
Speaker 4: a mirror in front of another mirror, I mean, it
Speaker 4: could be infinite for all we know. It could be finite,
Speaker 4: or it could be infinite how many consciousness.
Speaker 1: They may have all come from one. There may be an.
Speaker 4: Ultimate source consciousness, but that doesn't mean that whatever is
Speaker 4: creating this reality is the source consciousness.
Speaker 5: You must wreck your head sometimes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I get bored.
Speaker 5: Rake and dirt, great stuff, Jay, Okay, Jay, I really
Speaker 5: appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Yep, thank you for having me.
Speaker 5: You're more than welcome. It's great to meet you. Okay,
Speaker 5: take care of yourself and we will speak soon. All right, bye,
Speaker 5: thank you bye for now. Well, that is all for
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