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Speaker 2: Do you want to report a UFO.

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Speaker 3: It?

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Speaker 4: We don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Report every thirty one.

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Speaker 3: Do you wish to report a.

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Speaker 4: UFO over, Hey, we want to one of those data.

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Speaker 1: Areas thirty one.

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Speaker 5: Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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of it?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time.

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Speaker 4: Areas thirty one me neither.

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Speaker 5: There were seven one golf.

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Speaker 4: If it was actually a U above us to pass us,

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like thirty seconds ago.

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Speaker 5: We were sending one of golf negative, Okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah,

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it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over,

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I go.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 5: But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,

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I passed out over the top of US.

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Speaker 3: Ninety one one. You just called both to be be

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four rest.

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Speaker 1: They're after staying the airplanes, he is.

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Speaker 3: I swear to God more calm in on an unidentified

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object every liberty four call or calm on an unidentified

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Speaker 6: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share

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their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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an encounter I would like to be on the show,

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you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 5: Hello everyone, great to have you here tonight. I'm Nick

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Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight our

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guest is Jay, and he joins us from New York

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State to share experiences for his life, beginning with a

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cylindrical craft above the trees during childhood and a blue

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light that flooded his family's home. Years later. His account

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includes a near death encounter with a vast golden lights,

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unexplained voices, geometric symbols, and more recently, his wife claims

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to be communicating teopathically with a mantislike entity known as Stella.

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Jay is up next, but first, if you enjoy a

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a link in the description of this episode. Any help

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is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Hey,

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welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi, it's nice to be here.

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Speaker 5: It's great to have to do it, and you're coming

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to us from New York state.

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Speaker 1: That's correct.

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Speaker 5: Great stuff. Okay, Now, Jay, you have several experiences you're

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going to be sharing with us tonight. Would you like

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to start at the beginning, please, sir?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, all right. So I've lived most of my

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life in Troy, New York. I've had a lot of

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strange experiences, paranormal experiences, just stuff I don't know how

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to explain. But you know, my first sighting was maybe

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around six years old. I remember looking out of my

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window or my mom's window, in the second floor of

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the building that we lived at, seeing our backyard, and

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right behind our backyard there's a hill side that goes

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down to a creek and the hill goes back again

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on the other side, so it's all forested area. It's

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right up against the Oakwood Cemetery. And I remember we're

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seeing a cylindrical raft that is kind of copperish brown,

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and along the mid section of it was different colored lights,

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so there was yellow.

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something like that, being that young, I didn't.

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that I had been having night terrors when I was

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of the night screaming, with no apparent reason as to

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why I was doing that. Also with a history of

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migraines around that time, so nothing else really happened until

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around the age of thirteen. Around that time, I was

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living with my family in Lantenberg, and directly across from

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our house, there was a craft that lifted off of

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street from our house. So from what my experience was,

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staircase and the house being completely bathed in a blue light.

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brother telling me, because I don't I don't remember it,

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bright the light was. So she went down to go

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clock and realized that, I mean, it's not morning time

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nowhere near. So she that's when they started to question

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and then said that you know, I don't I don't

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building across the street into the sky until like the

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the age of eighteen, I had a near death experience.

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that happened, but I remember losing consciousness. So and then

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after I lost consciousness, the next thing I remember seeing

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was a really bright golden light as far as I

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can see in any direction. I couldn't see my hands,

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see anything but that gold light. You know, I was

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confused because I remembered what had happened before I was there,

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the beginning of everything. There's the black which is the off,

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heard two voices talking with each other in a language

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that I had never heard before. There was I kind

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of can recognize certain languages, like you know, French or

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German or Russian or Mandarin or this language. I just

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it caught me by surprise. I lifted my head back

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up off the pillow and listened, and I didn't hear it.

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it again, took my head off the pillow. I didn't

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hear it. So I just moved my pillow to the

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and I didn't hear it anymore. So I went about

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my business, went back to sleep, and when about going

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to work the next morning. So around the age of

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twenty one, I had an incident where I felt like

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there was a presence in the apartment building that I

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was at. This is well after my ND So the

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feelings I get it's kind of weird. It's like if

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you leave a television on and it's a black screen.

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Speaker 4: There's this I don't know energy sound, I don't know

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like a nineteen thousand hurts on a speaker, So I

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get that same kind of feeling. But in any case,

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with these entities, you know, and they're whatever energy or

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vibration that they have whenever they're around, it gives off

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that frequency. There's also a Doppler effect with that, so

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that energy kind of gets muffled down and I can

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the building, nobody else was there, and I felt it

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moving around and I called it out, and you know,

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I let it know. I said, hey, you know, I

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know you're there. I know you're there walking around. I

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don't know what you're doing or why you're there, but

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I know you're there. And as soon as I said it, man,

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this thing it got in my face. It felt like

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it was nose to nose with me. The energy was

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off the charts, you know, and it made me feel

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uncomfortable just how close it was to me, to.

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Speaker 1: The point where I had to leave.

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then eventually came back and I didn't feel it again,

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so which is nice, because you know, i'd have to

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was that uncomfortable, right, So the next experience I would

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have had was probably in twenty twenty two or I

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was I was having an existential crisis where I felt

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as though that we were just meat machines, just computers,

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you know, and that when we cease to exist, we

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cease to exist. And it was it was really bothering me.

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a couple of days. So on the second day, you know,

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I was getting ready to go to sleep and lay down,

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and I was, I having a whole lot of problems

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with it, a lot of anxiety. For one of the

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few times in my life, I prayed in my head

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and I said, God, please take this this pain away

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from me. You know, maybe there's certain things that I

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shouldn't know, or maybe you know, I shouldn't look into this.

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Speaker 1: But that night, after I did that, I went to sleep.

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Speaker 4: While I was sleep and I had a dream that

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was it was a very vivid dream that maybe an abduction.

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I'm not sure, you mean, it could be a screen

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memory placed on so but in any case, the dream

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goes that I was I was standing behind a white

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sprinter like van that the doors open up sideways. To

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the left of me was a man with you know,

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like short short beard hair. He had like a blue

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button up T shirt with jean pants. We were on

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the road, on the wrong side of the road if

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then the grass and then a sidewalk, and then there

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concrete stairs that led up to like a colonial style

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Speaker 1: So, you know, it's a pretty detailed dream that I'm having.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I I turned to my left, I

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look at the guy, and I ask, why are we here?

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I had to really push to get the wire. We

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hear out and it had like a reverb to it

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when I said it, and he turned his head, not

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his body, just his head. He turned his head and

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looked at me with a blank expression on his face.

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And in that moment the scene changed. We were no

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longer behind the van. Now we were in something I

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would describe as a like a high school laboratory.

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Speaker 1: So there was these big.

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Speaker 4: Windows with the long slat blinds that go sideways, and

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he pulled the string in the slat turns so and

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then there was a black linoleum style countertop with pine

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in cabinet tree underneath of that, and right in front

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of that was a kind of like an island with

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the same black linoleum countertop and pine cabinetry underneath. That

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was maybe seven feet long, like four foot wide. So

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the guy that I had seen in the previous part

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of their dream was a step back from me, maybe

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one person in length, because I remember looking to my

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left looking back and seeing the guy there. So but

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he again he had this blank expression on his face.

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Directly in front of me, maybe about ten feet was

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a man with long hair that came down.

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Speaker 1: To his shoulder.

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Speaker 4: It was very curly, kind of like a poodle, and

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it was a salt and pepper so it was both

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gray and dark color. He had a white button up

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T shirt with khaki pants, you know, Caucasian looking man,

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not sure, but it was a light skin. And again

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I'm standing here, and I looked at him, and again

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I ask why are we here? So again it's the

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same reverb and it's the same force, you know, I

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had to really work at it to say why were

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we here? And the moment I said that, he kind

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of tilted his head, looked surprised, then looked annoyed and

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then rushed toward me with an amazing speed. I don't

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know how to describe it. That ten feet was nothing

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for this person. So his right hand came up from

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his side and then came close to my left eye

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or my temple. So as soon as that happened, I

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woke up in my bed. I had sleep paralysis. I

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couldn't move, you know, I wasn't numb. I could feel

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my wife's arm or my wife's head on my arm,

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and there was this symbol made of light in my

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left eye. So the symbol looked kind of similar to triskelion.

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Speaker 1: With the way that it was set up.

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Speaker 4: We had three lines coming out from a centralized point

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with like I don't know, thirty maybe thirty three degree

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turns on it to create a triangle overall shape. And

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on each one of those lines there was three symbols

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on each part of the line where it would it

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would bend, So the flat part would be one symbol,

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and then it would bend, and then another symbol, and

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then it would bend and then there's another symbol. So

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on each line it's the same three symbols. So the

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first symbol was something that I figured out to be

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a evergreen tree. The second symbol is what I believe

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to be a lion. And then the third symbol was

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the hardest for me to figure out. That was it

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looked like a trus, but there was three of them

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that made a triangular shape. So over time, you know,

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trying to figure out what this thing is, you know,

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I looked at it from different angles, like it with spirituality,

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you know, and the Christian faith and some other things,

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trying to figure out what's going on. But ultimately, I

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think they answered my question when I asked, why are

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we here?

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Speaker 1: So I think what.

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Speaker 4: They showed me was a evolution of consciousness. So we

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start off as something as simple as a plant or

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a tree, and then you know, graduate to something more

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complex like an animal such as a lion, and then

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something even more complex as those three torus, you know.

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But I had no reference point to that until I

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had another experience later which I'll get into. But the

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symbol made of light. Every time my heart beat, the

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light would flash. It would be like this bright bluish

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white color and then it would fade to a goldish yellow,

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and then my heart would beat and it would have

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flash to that light blue white, and then fade back

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to the goldish yellow, like it was linked to my

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heartbeat somehow. Also in my right eye there was a

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similar thing going on. There wasn't the same symbol, but

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there was a line on the bottom part of my

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eye that looked kind of like a straw with the

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adjustable neck, so it went straight and then it got

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crooked and bent down. So every time my heart would

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be it would also flash the same color as the symbol.

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So obviously I'm freaked out. I mean, I'm laying in bed,

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I'm screaming in my mind helped me, because you know,

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I'm just I'm really freaking This is the only the

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first time I've ever had that happen to me where

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I can't move and I had something in my face.

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But over time, the brightness of the symbol started to

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fade and then I was able to get up. So

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while I couldn't move, I wanted to try to study it,

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you know, even though I was freaking out, you know,

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there wasn't much else I could do other than study

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the image and try to remember what it looked like,

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which is really hard when you know you're under that

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kind of stress. So as soon as I was able

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to it, got up, you know, I went to the

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room immediately looked into my eye, you know, to see

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what was going on, and then I went to my

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computer and started sketching it out because I didn't want

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to forget, you know, what I had seen. I still

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can't forget what I've seen, you know, when I think

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about it, I see the image in my mind. There

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was that, And then weeks later I had another experience

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where I woke up and it was four o'clock in

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the morning, because I remember looking at the clock after

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the experience, So floating above my feet maybe two feet

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was a ring made of light, like an led ring light,

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something very similar to that. But the inside there was

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flames made of shadow. So the part that touched the

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ring of light was the darkest part on each flame,

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and the tip was the lightest, so it was almost

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like a grayish white, almost like smoke toward the tips.

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So the flames weren't connected. They were separated, similar to

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like a flag would be separated, so their their own

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distinct triangular shapes in a odd number, so maybe nine

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to eleven. I'm not sure exactly what, but I remember

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there being an odd number. I call them flames because

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they moved like a flame does, so they waved like

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a flame would, and they also bifurcated, so the tips

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on the each one of those flames, at some point

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they would bifurcate, and then you'd have two tips on

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the flame, and then the flame would come back together.

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And the closest reference I have to something doing that

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would be a flame. So I didn't feel threatened by it.

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And because of the previous experience that I had, you

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know before, I was still kind of in shock from

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what I had happened with that, you know, and I

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just I didn't want to deal with it. So I said,

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I'm not dealing with this, and I turned looked at

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the clock and said I'm going back to sleep.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, that was that. But I think.

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Speaker 4: That that ring of light may be the third symbol

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that I seen, or the third the third symbol that

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I had seen in the symbol, So the third item.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you want to call.

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Speaker 4: It, but I mean the three taurus that were at

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the end, is that it was one of those. So

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I think that they had sent that here so that

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I had a reference point to understand what that is

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because I know what a tree looks like, you know,

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I know what an evergreen tree looks like. I know

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what a lion looks like. But I don't know, you know,

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what reference I would have to those taurus in the

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shape of a triangle, the three taurus. It just didn't

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make sense to me. So I think that maybe, you know,

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that was part of it. So another thing with the

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symbol when I had that experience was the next day

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when I woke up, my left eye heard really bad,

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like I had been punched in my eye. You know,

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I didn't have any bruising, but it definitely hurt. When

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I went to my job, you know, my brother and

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my nephew they work with me, and they noticed that

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I was off. You know, I wasn't being the funny

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person that I used to be, the energetic person I

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used to be, and you know, they noticed that I

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was just there was something wrong.

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Speaker 1: So they asked me about.

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Speaker 4: It, and I jokingly told them that I think I

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got I think I got punched in the eye by

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an angel last night, you know, and they laughed it off,

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and I explained my experience to them as well. So

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they didn't know what to make of it and thought

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it was kind of weird, but you know, we went

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about our day. So a few days after I seen

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the ring of light in my bed. When I woke up,

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I was laying in my bed getting ready to go

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to sleep.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't quite got there yet, but with.

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Speaker 4: My eyes closed, laying in the bed, there was a

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bright light, like a singular point of light that looked

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like it rushed toward me, and then it seemed like

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it was a person. So my eyes were closed. I mean,

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I shouldn't and I know I'm not dreaming. I'm laying

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in my bed, but there's this being made of light.

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So it was a silhouette kind of thing, like there

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wasn't any details of like a nose or eye or

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mouth or anything like that. It was just it was

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this golden light being in front of me the torso view.

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Speaker 1: I could see the arms.

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Speaker 4: I could see the chest, you know, the stomach area,

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and the head and it was holding its hands in

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what I found out later was in a moodru position.

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So the left hand was pointed up like at the

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shoulder level, pointing toward the right shoulder, and the right

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hand was at the waist pointing up so because this

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thing came at me with the speed that it it did,

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it startled me and I immediately opened my eyes and

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pulled back away from it. And it wasn't in the

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room with me, but it was more like it was

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it was in my mind, like an image that I

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was seeing, similar to like a memory, like if you

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were to remember something, you see it in your in

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your head, so something similar to that. But like I said,

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I was just laying in the bed and this singular

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point of light became this light being who made that Maudra?

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Again it caught me off guard. So and then a

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few days after that, again I'm laying in bed and

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while I'm laying in bed with my eyes closed, I

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see a geometric shape and I'm not sure what the

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geometric shape was at that time, but after you know,

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looking into it and trying to figure out what it was,

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I found that it was the seed of life. So

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it was kind of like, I don't know. So there's

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two differ ways that I see things. So with memories,

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it's kind of like two screens. So if you have

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two screens and one is overlaid onto the other one,

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so you know what I'm seeing in real life in

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real time, right, so that would be your primary screen,

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and then like the memory bit would be like an overlaid,

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opaque version of the other whatever is going on, so

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your memory So this is totally different. So what I'm

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talking about is like your eyelid's being closed and then

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seeing an image on the back side of your eyelid.

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So it made of like, I don't know, like light,

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but it's a very faint shadowy light. So it's hard

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to tell the difference between the darkness of the behind

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the eyelid and it, but there is like a slight

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shade difference between the two. But what I had seen

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was the seed of life. So at that point, that's

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when I started to look into what all these symbols

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could be meaning. Like I said, I, look, you tried

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to figure out what the mudra meant. You know what

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the mudra was to begin with. I didn't even know

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what a mudra was at that point, so you know,

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I looked into that, and I looked into the seed

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of life and it and the ring of light with

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the flames made of shadow, and that brought me to

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researching Kashmir Shivaism. So you know, I was looking into

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maybe there was some kind of a connection there with Shiba. So,

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you know, as throughout my research at that point, you know,

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00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,119
I started to look into the Monroe Institute and then

480
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,640
I tried the Hemi sync. So you know, I put

481
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,680
the video on the YouTube and put the headphones on

482
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,200
and tried to do the HEMI sync that they have

483
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,079
so and I think I may have done a remote

484
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,839
viewing inadvertently while doing that, because I you know, I

485
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,319
wasn't sure it was going to do anything, so I

486
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,440
just wanted to try it out and see, you know,

487
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,920
what happens. So, you know, I was laying on my couch,

488
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,559
I had the headphones on, I was listening to the beat,

489
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,640
and it was weird. It was it wasn't like I

490
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,200
fell asleep, but there was this sensation. And then because

491
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,440
I had my eyes closed, I seen what looked kind

492
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,160
of like cartoon bubbles, you know, like a cartoon where

493
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,920
they would have the thought bubble that would come up

494
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,960
and then they'd have like the text in there, so

495
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,599
something similar to that. So it started off with a

496
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,599
couple bubbles and then the bubbles got bigger until it

497
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,440
was like one big bubble. And I seen what looked

498
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,799
like a woman's hand. I assume it was a woman

499
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:37,240
because there was no hair on her hand and had

500
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,119
she had really nice nails, like kept up nails. But

501
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,720
in any case, she was sitting at like a pine

502
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:48,079
wood table or a lightwood colored table. She had her

503
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,119
hand on a stick or a gray colored stick that

504
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,359
was in a Stanley cup. So it was a gray

505
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,359
colored Stanley cup with like a stainless steel rim around it.

506
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,880
The water inside the cuff was a gray color, and

507
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,559
then there was flex of white and black that were

508
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:08,880
in there. So after thinking about that for a while,

509
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,079
you know, I came to the realization and I think

510
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,240
she was painting. So those flecks of the white and

511
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,000
the black were part of whatever paint that was on

512
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:21,759
the brush and she had that in the cup and

513
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,200
was washing the brush off. So it didn't tie into anything.

514
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:28,480
But at the time, you know, I didn't have any targets.

515
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about anything specific.

516
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,839
Speaker 4: I was just trying the HEMI scenek and see into

517
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,839
what happens, and that was the experience that had happened.

518
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,640
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Speaker 2: SO.

531
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: And then we around twenty twenty two, we had our

532
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,359
youngest son, around twenty twenty three, was about a one

533
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,559
years old, and he started having experiences where he would

534
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,119
he would wake up and he'd start screaming, and you know,

535
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,400
we'd check on him. And when we go to check

536
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,480
on him, he was standing up in his crib and

537
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,839
he was pointing up, so we weren't really sure what

538
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:00,640
was going on there, but you know, it was just

539
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,000
it was a strange experience that we had noticed. So

540
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,640
at the same time at twenty twenty three, you know,

541
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:09,400
not exactly the same day, but around you know in

542
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,119
that year I had witnessed a gray a gray being

543
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,480
or an entity, but it looked different than you know

544
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:22,519
what most people say. So this So what had happened

545
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,559
was I was in the bathroom using the bathroom. I

546
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,920
got out the bathroom walking down the hallway, and there's

547
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,839
another hallway to my right hand side that leads to

548
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,519
the bedrooms.

549
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: So I looked to my right as.

550
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,599
Speaker 4: I was walking down the hallway and I looked down

551
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,799
the other hallway that goes to the bedrooms, and there

552
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,160
was a scatow entity on the wall. So it looked

553
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,119
as though it was a two dimensional representation of a

554
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,599
gray entity or the closest I can say that it

555
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,759
looked like would maybe be the Bob entity. So but

556
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,960
in any case, it was maybe three foot tall three

557
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,319
to four foot tall, had large almond shaped eye. It

558
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,240
was a side profile as if it was walking down

559
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:15,440
the hallway going into the bedrooms, and it was mid step,

560
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,480
so you know, it had a little bump out for

561
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:19,000
the nose.

562
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I could see the chin and.

563
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: With a shadow, you shouldn't be able to see the

564
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,559
definition you know where you know, where the chin is

565
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,319
underneath where the neck is, the where the chin and

566
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,000
the neck meet. There shouldn't be any definition there, but

567
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:41,480
I definitely saw the line that separates the chin from

568
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,079
the neck, so you know, and the eye on it

569
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,839
was dark, almost black, compared to the gray color the

570
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,559
rest of it was. It had a very skinny neck.

571
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,599
It looked kind of frail to be, you know, to

572
00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,240
be honest, with this large head. So it's shoulders weren't

573
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,359
very wide. It had pretty long arms, maybe three three

574
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,480
fingers that are at least twice the length of a

575
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:11,039
human finger on each one of its its hands. It

576
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:15,079
had very skinny legs, and the feet looked kind of long,

577
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:17,759
but not as long as the hands. Didn't look like

578
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,079
it was wearing clothes. But like I said, it was

579
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:24,240
in mid step, so I think it froze as it

580
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,480
was moving. I think it noticed that I noticed it

581
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,119
and stopped moving when I did that. So when I

582
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,960
seen it, my first reaction was is, Oh, it's just

583
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,920
my son wearing the rake costume. Because at that time,

584
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,680
my older son liked to wear his Halloween costume around

585
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,480
the house. So you know, when I first seen it,

586
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,000
that was the first thought that came to my mind, is, Oh,

587
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,440
it's just my boy wearing his costume. So I turned

588
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920
back and then took a few more steps forward, and

589
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,400
then realized that the sun that I just thought was

590
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,480
wearing the costume was sitting at the computer and he

591
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,640
wasn't wearing the costume. So immediately you have a put

592
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,079
two and two together, and I'm like, that's not my son.

593
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: So I took the steps.

594
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: Back and then looked down the hallway and the thing

595
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,480
that I had just seen was gone, disappeared. So I

596
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,559
don't know if it was my brain trying to rationalize

597
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,199
what I had just seen, or it put that thought

598
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,559
in my head so that I would just go about

599
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,239
my business and leave it alone. So in that same year,

600
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,239
in twenty twenty three, my older son had an incident

601
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,960
where he went to get some snacks off of the

602
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,519
stand up fridge or freezer that we have. So when

603
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,159
he did that, he climbed up on one of the

604
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,760
chairs to get up there to go get it. And

605
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,519
he said, when he did that, he's seen a triangular

606
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,519
shaped head poke up around the corner and look at him,

607
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,280
and when he seen it, it caught him off guard

608
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,360
and he kind of stumbled on the chair and fell down.

609
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,840
He didn't hurt himself or anything like that, but he

610
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,639
just he caught himself while he did it, and he

611
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,599
said that the entity made an audible whoe sound, and

612
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000
you know that that was what he told me about

613
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,519
that incident. So the same year, my wife starts having

614
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,159
multiple instances of seeing me home while I'm not home.

615
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,440
So I think the first one she has she went

616
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,440
down into the basement to go put something there, and

617
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:31,159
she had seen me standing there in my pajamas. So

618
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,159
at that time I was at work. There's no way

619
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,039
that I was at home. She obviously wasn't seeing me.

620
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: She said that.

621
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: Whatever it was wasn't making any kind of movement, as

622
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,880
though it didn't even realize that she was there. So

623
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,159
that was the first time, but it wasn't the last

624
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,440
time that, you know, she's experienced the me but not

625
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:57,280
me at my house. There's been a lot more than

626
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,559
a handful, probably like twenty to twenty five instances where

627
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,480
she's seen me at home even though I'm not there,

628
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,960
you know, not just the person, but she's also seen

629
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,880
me like driving my work truck out in front of

630
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,559
the house, but obviously I'm not there, so you know,

631
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:17,519
there's no way that I could be there there was

632
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:22,000
an instance where my wife and my daughter both seen

633
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,880
my oldest son sitting at the computer. But my son

634
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,760
was still in school at the time, so there was

635
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,639
no way that my son could have been home sitting

636
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,440
at the computer. So my wife raised that point to

637
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:40,599
my daughter, and then when they when she told her that,

638
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,039
she said that they both seen the entity of the

639
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,920
person who looked like my son sitting at the computer disappear,

640
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,440
boofed out of nowhere. So the next instance, it would

641
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,239
probably be you know, it's September, around September of twenty

642
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:56,840
twenty four.

643
00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: My wife, she is.

644
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: Laying out on the the couch with my younger son,

645
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,119
and by that time I'm already in the room.

646
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm laying down and you know, I'm.

647
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,199
Speaker 4: Getting ready for work, you know, getting ready to go

648
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,280
to work for the next day.

649
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: So I need to go to sleep.

650
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: So I go to sleep, and while I'm sleeping, she

651
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,840
says that she got up, she went to go get

652
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,000
a drink, and she had a feeling to come and

653
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,519
check on me. So and then because of the strange

654
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,760
experiences that we were having, she felt like she should

655
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,920
bring the camera too, so she brought the camera with

656
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,440
her to the bedroom after she got her drink, and

657
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,599
as soon as she entered the doorway, she took three

658
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:48,360
photos in the room. So later on she woke me

659
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,880
up at maybe like twelve thirty, you know, and she

660
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,719
seemed pretty pretty excited, you know, concerned she was. She

661
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,960
wasn't sure what she had taken a photo. So the

662
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:03,840
first two photos that she taken were completely black. There

663
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,119
was nothing, there was nothing on them, I mean, so

664
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,000
you know, they were kind of useless. But the third

665
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,280
photo that she had taken, it showed something in it,

666
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,639
so she showed me.

667
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: I woke up.

668
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: I wasn't quite sure what was going on because I

669
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:21,159
just woke up, and I'm like, okay, you know whatever,

670
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,760
just you know, I'll look at it later. And I'm

671
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,239
not sure what you got there, So I went back

672
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,880
to sleep. So over time, you know, and studying the photo,

673
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,840
I realized that the photo it looks a lot like

674
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:41,119
the the entity in the photo that was taken during

675
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:47,360
the C five contact with doctor Stephen Greer. So it

676
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,440
has a very triangular shaped head with it's wearing a

677
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,840
wearing clothes similar to like you know, loose.

678
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: Spitting, long sleeved clothes.

679
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,079
Speaker 4: The the hands or what you would consider hands or

680
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:07,559
fingers look similar where they sweep back, similar to in

681
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,320
his photo.

682
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: You know, the one that my wife took also has

683
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:11,559
like a.

684
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:16,039
Speaker 4: Little blue orb in it, similar to how you know

685
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:20,000
his has a bunch of small blue dots in it. So,

686
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,360
you know, I put two and two together, and I

687
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,000
believe that the photo she had taken was of one

688
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:30,599
of those Mantus entities that Greer had taken a photo

689
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:32,800
of or had somebody take a photo of in the

690
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,519
Sea five during the Sea FI contact. So you know,

691
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,360
after that, you know, I start looking into gnosticism and

692
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,440
you know if maybe that has something to do with it.

693
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,079
You know, I wanted to look at all avenues here

694
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:48,679
because I'm trying to gather information on what's going on.

695
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,519
I would like to say that this is one of

696
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:58,199
the most complex questions that anybody can can ask, you know,

697
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:00,679
what is the nature of reality itself?

698
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,199
Speaker 1: You know, and trying to understand.

699
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 4: Who we are, what we are, you know, where we

700
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,400
belong in it, you know. And I'm not the smartest

701
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,400
guy out there, so you know, I'm trying to figure

702
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,440
it out for myself what's going on. So that's why

703
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,960
I want to research and look into these different avenues

704
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,639
and see if there's there's anything there, if there's any connection.

705
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:24,239
So I think a lot of everything is interconnected in

706
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,559
ways that we don't understand. So just because we don't

707
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:31,760
understand it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. For example,

708
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,880
the a lot of people that don't have experiences, it's

709
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,280
hard for them to understand because they haven't seen it.

710
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,960
So it's very similar to like the Plato's cave allegory.

711
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,960
So you know, as somebody who experiences, you have left

712
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,400
the cave and you've seen it for what it is,

713
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:51,000
but everybody else is still in the cave. So you

714
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:53,199
try to explain to them, you know what you've seen

715
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,079
and experienced, and they have no reference point, They have

716
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,440
no way to know that what you're saying is true

717
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,000
or real, so they dismiss it and they act like

718
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:04,639
you're crazy.

719
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: So but like I said, it's.

720
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:11,039
Speaker 4: Interconnected in a way we don't understand. You know, it's

721
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:15,360
a very complex, you know, question or situation. So the

722
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,840
way that I would describe it is you imagine a

723
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,800
thousand piece puzzle, right, and every little bit of data

724
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,920
or information that you get is one little piece on

725
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,400
the puzzle.

726
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,599
Speaker 1: So you put the puzzle.

727
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,119
Speaker 4: Together, right, but it's not that it's actually ten of

728
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,480
those puzzles all mixed up in the one box. So

729
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:34,880
now you have to figure out, right, well, this piece

730
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,519
goes to this separate puzzle, and this piece goes to

731
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:41,079
puzzle three, and this piece goes to puzzle five whatever. So,

732
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:44,760
but it's even more complicated than that. Now you have

733
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:48,639
like ten of those thousand piece puzzles, right, and you

734
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,599
realize after you've put all those pieces together that it

735
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:55,880
creates a mosaic. There's a picture within that you don't

736
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,360
see until you zoom out to a specific point, right,

737
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:02,400
So it's even more complicated than that. But you have

738
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,880
to do that, you know, five more times for a

739
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,039
total of six mosaics, right, And you notice that the

740
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,360
edges of each one of those mosaics look like they

741
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,480
line up with each other. And then you put them

742
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:18,840
together and it creates a cube. And then you zoom

743
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440
out even further and you realize that it's just one

744
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:26,159
pixel and a singular puzzle piece. That's how complicated this

745
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,159
issue is. So that's where I'm at with that. So,

746
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,039
you know, I looked into gnosticism, and you know, with that,

747
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,400
and I had, you know, my experiences with you know,

748
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,079
meditating at night, and I wanted to see the demiurge. So,

749
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:45,800
you know, while I was laying in bed at night,

750
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,800
you know, I meditated on that I wanted to look

751
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,880
the demiurge in the eye. And when I did, while

752
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,320
I was laying there, I similar to how I had

753
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,280
seen the Seed of life geometry and that you know,

754
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,880
it was dark, but you could still see the lines

755
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:08,519
in the darkness. I had seen an eye, but the

756
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:13,480
eye had a vertical slit and a horizontal slit to

757
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:18,000
make a plus sign in the eye it had. It

758
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,760
had like a scaly part of the top part of

759
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,519
the eye lid, and then the bottom part also scaly,

760
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,679
and the instead of the eye blinking, the whole head

761
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,679
seemed to rotate like it was trying to look around.

762
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,880
And when I seen that, it kind of freaked me

763
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,679
out and I backed away.

764
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: And that was that.

765
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: So also, my wife had taken a video of an

766
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,360
orb in the sky, you know, and in the video

767
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,519
you can see that the there's a star there, how

768
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:50,760
the orb is moving in relation to the star.

769
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: To kind of give you an idea of how it's moving.

770
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: So around that time, you know, in twenty twenty four,

771
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,480
I started having instances of waking up with songs in

772
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,440
my head. So I think that that was the one

773
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,239
of these entities trying to communicate with me by telling

774
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,880
me or giving me these these songs to listen to

775
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,000
to try to understand. So while I was meditating, because

776
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,559
I had started down this path where I was trying

777
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,880
to learn and figure out what's going on, you know,

778
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,960
I started, I was meditating at night, and I was

779
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:26,679
kind of reaching out, trying to contact these beings. And

780
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,199
there's a few times that I actually got responses. So

781
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,199
the first time was a male voice who yelled at me.

782
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,840
He was clearly annoyed. He told me to shut up,

783
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,679
and who gave these humans these abilities? So there was

784
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,400
another instance maybe a month later after that point, where

785
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,840
I also heard a male voice. It didn't sound like

786
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,400
it was the same voice, but he yelled at me

787
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,400
again and told me to shut the f up. And

788
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,599
then there was another instance many months after that, where

789
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,639
I had asked the question what am I you know,

790
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:08,320
and just kind of broadcast it out while I was meditating,

791
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,760
and I heard another male voice tell me that you

792
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,400
are human. So ye mean throughout I've had lots of

793
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,679
dreams that feel real. They don't feel like it's just

794
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,239
a dream. It feels like a memory to me. So

795
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,239
if I think about them, I can see them in

796
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,960
pretty clear detail. So I've had like one in particular.

797
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: It was a childhood.

798
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:34,119
Speaker 4: Dream where I was in my backyard of the home

799
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,519
that we lived at when I was young. I was

800
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:40,320
in the backyard with my brother playing and we were

801
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,079
messing around with sticks, like hitting leaves and weeds and

802
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,039
things like that. I had seen like a shimmer in

803
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,199
the tree line above the fence, so I took the

804
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,199
stick like it was a gun and put it like

805
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,159
in my armpit and then raised the stick up, and

806
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,039
when I did, I was immediately dropped to the ground.

807
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: You know.

808
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,599
Speaker 4: My head was sideways on the ground, and I remember

809
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:10,000
seeing a line of light that opened up into a triangle.

810
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:12,239
So it's kind of like if there was a door

811
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,880
there and the top of the triangle would be a hinge,

812
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,920
and then the bottom would open like sideways to create

813
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,880
a triangle. And then there was two beings, one on

814
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,199
each side on the one on the left, one on

815
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,679
the right, and they were like really dark, almost black,

816
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,440
in comparison.

817
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: To the doorway. The doorway itself was this bright white

818
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,280
light and then that was the end of the dream

819
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,079
and I woke up. So toward the end of twenty

820
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:45,280
twenty four is when this this entity, Stella introduces herself.

821
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,960
And before that, you know, my wife was getting you

822
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,559
know a little it was like somebody was talking to her,

823
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,119
you know, information here or there. So you know, she

824
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,280
would tell me she would know when i'd get home,

825
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,519
and I am with my job.

826
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:03,199
Speaker 4: I have different times of the day that I get home.

827
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:05,039
I don't get home at the same time every day,

828
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,119
so you know, I don't know how she knew than

829
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:10,719
that that that.

830
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: I was home.

831
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:14,159
Speaker 4: So you know, she would start coming out and saying,

832
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:16,119
you know, somebody told me to come out, and you

833
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,639
were here, so she would come out to greet me.

834
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,559
So it happened multiple times, you know, for for months,

835
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:24,719
but for at the end of twenty twenty four that

836
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,960
the thing that was telling her when I was getting

837
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,920
home had introduced herself as as Stella. So so after

838
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:36,159
you know, Stella introduces herself. I mean it's it's kind

839
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,480
of weird, Like I looked into you know, channelers, and

840
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,400
there's different people that you know, claim that they're they're

841
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,119
channeling these entities, you know, and I'm thinking maybe maybe

842
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:49,880
she is, but but I'm not sure. So I start

843
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,679
questioning things, you know, I start asking questions, and you

844
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,559
know this Stella doesn't like to give information, so it

845
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,440
seems like, you know, she wants me to kind of

846
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,159
figure things out for myself, you know, like it's some

847
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,360
kind of game or challenge. I mean, it's kind of

848
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,760
annoying sometimes, but I mean it kind of is what

849
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
it is. So, you know, like I said, I was,

850
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,159
I was asking questions about Stella, trying to figure out

851
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,239
what was going on. But you know, she says that

852
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,360
she's the mantis entity that has been watching over me,

853
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,119
you know, not just on this this timeline, but.

854
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: Other versions of me too. So I wasn't sure if.

855
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: You know, my wife was just pulling my leg messing

856
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,159
with me, or if this this thing was real, which

857
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,079
is part of the reason why I kept asking questions

858
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:36,199
trying to figure things out.

859
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:38,039
Speaker 1: But some of the evidence it.

860
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 4: Was like, well, you know, she knows how I'm here

861
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,920
every day, so how would she know that? And I'm like, well, maybe,

862
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,840
I mean there's like a tracking thing in my location

863
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,400
on my phone or you know, just trying to figure

864
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,280
it out. So, you know, close to my birthday. You know,

865
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,400
two days after my birthday, my wife comes out to

866
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,639
greet me, right, says, Stella says, that you're home. So

867
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,039
that's why I came out. So she came out, she

868
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:04,920
gave me a hog. While she was giving me a hog,

869
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,519
you know, she said, Stella says, to look up. So

870
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:12,760
we look up, and when we both looked up, we're like, well,

871
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,440
what is that?

872
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: Well it was I think it was a uap. So

873
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,519
it was a light.

874
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:26,159
Speaker 4: It looked similar to the video of the Turkish ufo.

875
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,880
So it had like this kind of like a crescent

876
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,880
kind of top to it, or like a dome, and

877
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,840
then like a smaller one underneath.

878
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: So the light it would get bright and.

879
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 4: Then it would dim out, and it moved slowly from

880
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,679
the left to the right. So there was two distinct sections.

881
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:48,639
Speaker 1: Of it that were made of light.

882
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: So there's the top section in the bottom section, they

883
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:53,880
would get bright and then they would dull out and

884
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,719
get bright and the dull out and then moved from

885
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,159
left to right. And then while I was standing there,

886
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,280
you know, I told my wife to go get my

887
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,000
phone so that I could I could take a picture

888
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,920
of it, because I wanted to take the picture, but

889
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,360
I didn't want to leave because you know, it's just

890
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,239
pretty amazing. I've never seen any you know, other than

891
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,880
what I had seen early on, which it was a

892
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,199
long time ago. So this thing's moving from left to right,

893
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,599
and in my mind, I asked it, I said, hey,

894
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:24,920
can you could you get bright for me?

895
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:27,599
Speaker 1: Like really bright? And it did.

896
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: It got extremely bright, and then it dimmed down to

897
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,679
where it blacked out completely, and then it turned back

898
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,320
up again and got really bright again and then dimmed

899
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,119
back out again, and then it was it was gone,

900
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:46,000
it disappeared. So I was kind of I was astonished,

901
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,159
and I still am, like, you know, I mean so

902
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,679
part of the reason, you know, I was like, well,

903
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,679
I don't know what this is. I wanted to prove

904
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:58,519
that this thing is real. So I think Stella sent

905
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,599
it here to prove that it's real. Just like the photo.

906
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,159
You don't accidentally take a photo of these things if

907
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,000
they don't want to be seen. I think it intentionally

908
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,000
let her take the photo so that I had proof

909
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,480
that it was there, whether other people believe me or not.

910
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:21,199
That's irrelevant. Wasn't what it was for me, so that

911
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,960
I could confirm that it was there. And then two

912
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,639
days after I had seen the craft, I got home

913
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,760
from work. I'm at the car, I'm getting my stuff,

914
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,440
getting ready to go inside, and I stopped, you know,

915
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,920
because I'm still kind of like, you know, in awe

916
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:43,159
of what I had seen two days before, you know,

917
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,880
and I'm looking in that same direction that the craft

918
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,079
came from two days prior. I was out there for

919
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:54,239
maybe five ten minutes, you know, looking in that direction,

920
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:56,679
and then finally it showed up again.

921
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: It was there again. It moved in the same.

922
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:04,679
Speaker 4: Direction, and it dimmed and got right the same way

923
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,760
that it did before, and then it went a little

924
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,920
bit further than it did the first time, and then

925
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,840
the lights went out and it disappeared. So that was

926
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,440
the second time. So it was kind of a confirmation

927
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,280
that I had seen something. So not only was it

928
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,960
on that first day that I had seen it, then

929
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,599
two days later I seen it again. Say hey, listen,

930
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,199
I'm here. And it wasn't just a fluke. It's like

931
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,800
I know what planes look like. I mean, the plane light,

932
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,400
it blinks, it's like a strobe this is totally different

933
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,559
what I seen. What I seen looked like if you

934
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:48,519
had a dimmer switch, like a dial on the light

935
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:50,880
and you turn it up and you turn it down

936
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,719
at a slow rate of speed. That's what I saw,

937
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:59,119
which is totally different than the strobe of an airplane. So,

938
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,039
like I said, I've been trying to get information from Stella,

939
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,360
trying to figure out what's going on, and part of

940
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,599
me doesn't want to believe that any of this is real,

941
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,360
so I've been pushing back the whole time, trying to

942
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,079
come up with prosaic explanations and what's going on. So,

943
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,599
you know, sleep paralysis, Yeah, people people have sleep paralysis,

944
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:21,840
you know.

945
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: So there's that, and then there's.

946
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,039
Speaker 4: Hypnopopic and hypnogogic hallucinations. You know. I'm like, well, maybe

947
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:31,480
the symbol that I seen was just you know, something

948
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:33,840
like that. So I think that that's part of the

949
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:39,039
reason why you know this this entity Stella keeps upping

950
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,599
the ante and doing things as if to say, all right, well,

951
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,960
you didn't believe the first thing, so we're going to

952
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,000
do this now. And then you didn't believe that thing,

953
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,239
so we're going to move on to another one. And

954
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,320
we're just going to keep doing that until you finally

955
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,400
understand that we are real.

956
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: We're here.

957
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 4: Even now, I mean, even though I've been presented with

958
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,639
the photograph and then seeing the craft, I still want

959
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:11,960
to push back and say, man, I don't you know,

960
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,880
I don't want to think that these things are real.

961
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,679
I mean, whether they're they're real or not. I mean,

962
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,400
it's in my mind. I just I don't want to

963
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,400
believe that they're real. So, like I said, I've been

964
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,519
I've been trying to communicate with Stella through my wife

965
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,920
and try to get information as to like what's going on.

966
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,719
It's really hard going. I mean, she doesn't want to

967
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,360
give me the information. But you know, throughout the time

968
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:43,719
that we've been communicating, you know, she claims to be

969
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,119
something like I think the term is anam kara, which

970
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,119
is like a soul friend that and she says she

971
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:55,199
deeply cares about me and that she's been following me

972
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,840
through different incarnations. So the incarnation, it's not I don't

973
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,000
think it's one after the other. I think there are

974
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:11,079
multiple realities, are like a multiverse where there's different versions

975
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:14,320
of yourself. You know, when people say that these entities

976
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,880
are extra dimensional. I don't think they really understand what

977
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,400
that means. I mean, it's hard for anybody to understand

978
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,519
what that means. But what I think is like this

979
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:30,079
reality that we're in is something similar to a simulation. Now,

980
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:36,280
whether that's a computer simulation or something like an organic simulation,

981
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,800
you know, it is, you know, questionable, like I don't

982
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,440
know what's creating it. You know, you could say source

983
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,320
consciousness could be the thing that's creating it. But what

984
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,800
is source consciousness? Is it just something that came from

985
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,360
the quantum field? I mean it just coalesced and it

986
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,360
is what it is or was it made by something else?

987
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,679
And then we're inside that I don't know. I don't

988
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,880
but those are questions that I'm asking trying to figure

989
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,599
out what is going on. But because of my near

990
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:13,320
death experience, I know that there's at least that. And

991
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,960
what I had seen was the darkness and the light,

992
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:22,239
which to me is binary. It's zeros and ones again,

993
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:24,159
I mean simulation theory.

994
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,159
Speaker 1: So there's that. I think.

995
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 4: You know, ultimately, you know, source consciousness is doing what

996
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:38,559
we're experiencing, so it's making everything similar to a dream.

997
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,960
You know, that goes to another question when you dream

998
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,280
at night, who's creating the dream. If you're creating the

999
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:50,440
dream at night, right, then you're creating a simulation. So

1000
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:53,159
all the things that you create within that dream are

1001
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,800
a simulation. And that's what I mean by an organic simulation.

1002
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,760
You know, So when you dream, you're creating that reality.

1003
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:05,519
How big or expansive that reality is is irrelevant. Honestly,

1004
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,840
you're still making that that reality. And if and if

1005
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,840
that's not the case, then you're looking at something that

1006
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,880
is somewhere else. Then you're still within the framework of

1007
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:21,440
a source consciousness. Like I'm saying, I don't know what

1008
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,920
that source consciousness is. I mean, is it what we

1009
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,920
call God? It could be I mean, or it could

1010
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,440
be a hyper advanced super AI intelligence you know, that's

1011
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:38,719
trying to figure out a question or a problem, and

1012
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,119
it's using all of us like virtual machines, you know,

1013
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:46,360
having experiences trying to figure it out. I mean, it's

1014
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,519
like I said, this subject is one of the biggest

1015
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:55,719
questions that anybody could answer, and I am woefully unqualified

1016
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:58,440
to figure it out. But that doesn't mean I'm not

1017
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,880
going to try. And like I said, I was trying

1018
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,199
to get information from stella. She says that for the

1019
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:11,440
most part, my core personality is the same across the

1020
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,679
different timelines. She says, I'm negative, I'm stubborn, and I'm defiant.

1021
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:19,679
She says that I am an old soul that has

1022
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,800
been soul traveling a long time, and that she is

1023
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,599
not the first in the position she is. There was

1024
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,599
one at least one before, but she doesn't know how

1025
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:33,079
many there were before that one. She said that she

1026
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,159
had asked for the position. She says that my core

1027
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,119
personality is the same no matter the situation or circumstance

1028
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:41,519
that they put me in.

1029
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: And she says that I.

1030
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,159
Speaker 4: Had broken the rules before and that I had been

1031
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:49,440
outside of the system. She also said that I'm I'm

1032
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:54,199
unpredictable and that my mind is complex and scary and

1033
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:58,920
this isn't like one conversation. So the information that I

1034
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,639
gained was over months of poking and prodding and trying

1035
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:08,320
to elicit a response to get some kind of information

1036
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,800
on what's going on. And I've pieced this narrative in

1037
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:13,239
based on that.

1038
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:24,800
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Speaker 4: You mean, I continue to meditate at night, you know,

1046
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:03,039
and just kind of relax and see what happens. And

1047
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:08,000
then one night I heard another voice. It was the

1048
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,639
first woman's voice I'd ever heard while meditating, and she

1049
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,400
says hello, and that her name was in Ana, and

1050
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:20,320
I didn't know who that was, but there you go.

1051
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:21,039
Speaker 1: I heard it.

1052
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,079
Speaker 4: And then shortly after that and if she had a

1053
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:28,199
very beautiful voice to her, very alluring. And then shortly

1054
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,239
after that I heard a man's voice what I assume

1055
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,920
is a male voice, was very deep, like the actor

1056
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,519
Michael Clark Duncan, and it also had like a guttural

1057
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:46,800
bass to it, similar to like an alligator's bellows. It

1058
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:52,039
said hello, I am, and then I pushed back. It

1059
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,320
freaked me out. I didn't want anything to do with

1060
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,559
it and backed off of it. At a later date,

1061
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,039
I had asked Stella I'm like, you know, why would

1062
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,920
that that happen? Because you know, I looked into the

1063
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:10,280
name Inna, which led me to, you know, Sumerian text

1064
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:15,079
like the Mesopotamian religion, Sumerian you know, and all that stuff,

1065
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:19,920
and you know, now I understand some of what that is.

1066
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,039
But I asked her, I'm like, well, why would you

1067
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:27,679
know somebody as influential as Inana or what I presume

1068
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,760
to be anky introduce themselves to an average person. It

1069
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,000
doesn't make sense. And no, Stella told me they wouldn't,

1070
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:39,840
you know. I I told her that I'm just an

1071
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,559
average person. I mean, I don't have any political office,

1072
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,400
I don't have power, I'm not rich, I'm just a

1073
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,719
normal person that I'm not important. And she told me

1074
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,480
I was wrong, that I am. But I don't understand

1075
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,719
how or why and I don't.

1076
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't.

1077
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:03,159
Speaker 4: I don't know why these beings have targeted me for

1078
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:04,599
doing the things.

1079
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,079
Speaker 1: That they do what they do.

1080
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:11,239
Speaker 4: So over the course of these experiences, my wife is

1081
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,079
having dreams with with us being on on the ship.

1082
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,400
So there's a there's a ship that these entities are on.

1083
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,039
And Stella, so the Manses Lady is the person in charge.

1084
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:30,199
So there's a tall gray there that I've affectionately called Grumps.

1085
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:33,800
So grump he's a very grumpy you know, kind of

1086
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,360
like he's in charge of the lower guys, so the

1087
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,119
smaller grays on the ship, and they're whenever they do

1088
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:47,199
something wrong, like he's visibly annoyed. So, but one of

1089
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:51,440
the the first interactions was that, uh, we were on

1090
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:55,880
the ship and my wife wakes up and she starts

1091
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,239
moving around. So she has a high pain tolerance. She

1092
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:02,119
has a much higher pain tolerance than me. She's had

1093
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:06,159
dreams where they were trying to give her the whatever

1094
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,159
to sedate her and keep her down, and they talking

1095
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,280
amongst themselves and saying that they can't give her anymore

1096
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,840
because it would affect her, it would negatively, so they

1097
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,840
wouldn't give her anymore. So she starts to wake up,

1098
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:27,079
and then eventually moves around the ship and sees other

1099
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:30,480
people in the area that we are at that are

1100
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:35,760
on tables in that room. That was one of her dreams,

1101
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,199
and then another one where she's up she's moving around

1102
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:44,440
and Stella is there and allows her to move around,

1103
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:49,679
and the grumpy gray he doesn't like it and opposes

1104
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:53,840
it and asks Stella why she allows it, and she replied,

1105
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,000
you wouldn't understand because she's in charge. He's not gonna

1106
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,440
question it at that point and just let her do

1107
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:05,079
what she wants. My wife is moving around the ship,

1108
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,039
notices that there's a container, and on that container has

1109
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:14,719
like a biohazard symbol, you know, and she doesn't touch it,

1110
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,599
but she's close to it, and the ground peak Gray

1111
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:21,360
realizes that she's close to it and immediately rushes over

1112
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,360
to pull her away from it and asks her if

1113
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,599
she did touch it, and she replies, no, I didn't.

1114
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,719
At that point, that's kind of when that ends. That's

1115
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,360
another dream that she had. Any case, she reports that

1116
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,679
there's Stella on the ship and she's the manches lady.

1117
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,000
The tall Gray is there. He's kind of in charge

1118
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,039
of the small guys. The small guys are tasked with

1119
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,519
going around and doing like whatever Mundane tasks. But she

1120
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:53,159
also states that there's these smaller creatures there that she

1121
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,599
she calls wookies. So there may be you know, three

1122
01:04:56,719 --> 01:05:01,639
foot tall looks similar to the wookie Star Wars, but

1123
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,320
they don't talk and they don't telepathically speak to her,

1124
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:09,559
But I believe that they have telepathic abilities. When she's

1125
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,400
up there, you know, she treats them kind of like pets,

1126
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:14,960
you know, hangs out with them and then feeds them,

1127
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:20,000
treats and plays with them. That's in direct opposition to Grumps.

1128
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,400
I mean, he doesn't like the idea of it, but

1129
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,760
is allowed to. There's other instances that she reports that

1130
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:31,480
while she's up there she's seen other entities. There was

1131
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:37,239
an instance where another mantis entity, not Stella, was also

1132
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,719
on the ship, walking past the room while she was

1133
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:46,840
there with one of the wookies and seemed confused that

1134
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,960
she was holding the animal, so he went in there.

1135
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:54,320
He pulled the animal from her hands and then put

1136
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,079
it on the ground, and she went back to pick

1137
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,239
it back up again, and he put it back down

1138
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,800
on the ground, and she picked it back up again,

1139
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,679
and at that point one of the small grays walked by.

1140
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:08,800
He asked one of the small grays what is this?

1141
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,519
Is this normal? And the small grace said yeah, it is.

1142
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:17,119
And the mantis asked, well, who allows it, and the

1143
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:20,000
short grace said she does, at which point he went

1144
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:23,360
about his business and he walked out of the room.

1145
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:25,840
So that was a separate dream. And then there was

1146
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,159
another dream where I was woken up, so I don't

1147
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:33,159
remember being woken up. There was several instances where I

1148
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:36,719
was woken up in different dreams. I don't remember it,

1149
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,920
but this is what was reported to me. The first

1150
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,800
time that I was woken up, she had convinced one

1151
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,079
of the small wookies to wake me up. So I

1152
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:51,239
don't know that they have some kind of psionic ability

1153
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:55,280
that allows them to do that or some ability to

1154
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:55,599
do that.

1155
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,119
Speaker 1: So it woke me up while I was on the table.

1156
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:01,559
Speaker 4: As soon as I woke up and I looked at

1157
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,039
her and I said hon She said, the room was

1158
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:10,599
flooded with grays and what I assumed was stella, So

1159
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,840
they all ran into the room and then the dream

1160
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,480
had ended. Then there was another instance with another dream

1161
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:22,840
where she had convinced an older wookie, so she was

1162
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,800
asking them to do it to wake me up, and

1163
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:28,280
the room she was in a room full of them.

1164
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,519
You know, from what I understanding is is that there's

1165
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:37,000
there's cages of these these wookies on the ship, so

1166
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:41,920
I assume that it's something like a breeding facility over

1167
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,039
these animals. But in any case, so there was a

1168
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:48,440
group of them and there was this older one with

1169
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:51,920
like disheveled hair like you know. It looked older than

1170
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,119
the rest of them and was a little heavy set,

1171
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,119
she said. She he walked toward her to accept what

1172
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,079
she had asked to be done. She picked him up,

1173
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:03,800
or tried to pick him up, and he was heavier

1174
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,480
than the other ones, you know. Stopped trying to pick

1175
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,239
him up, and then held his hand and then walked

1176
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,679
him over to me. So after she did that, he

1177
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,800
did something and put his hand on me or something,

1178
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,119
but it woke me up, So she said, as soon

1179
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:22,600
as I woke up, I sat up and then bolted

1180
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,279
out of the room and started running around. So at

1181
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,520
which case the small gray had come into the room

1182
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:35,199
and said where is he? And oh no, And then

1183
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:37,399
she said that the small gray had went back out,

1184
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,680
and then the tall gray grumps came in and was

1185
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,520
asking where I was, and then commenced to say, well,

1186
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,159
I'm gonna have to get contact Stella. So I don't

1187
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:50,960
know how they communicate, you know, wherever they are doing

1188
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,239
what they are, but he contacts Stella, and Stella is

1189
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:58,520
in a meeting with her higher ups. So apparently there's

1190
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,239
a high hierarchy of these beings, even the mantis beings

1191
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:06,000
that who are supposed to be at the top, that

1192
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:11,199
there's another whoever in charge of her. So in any case,

1193
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,680
you know, she comes down there and then they assume

1194
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:20,520
recapture me. So and then in the third instance where

1195
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,239
I was waking up, there was like a young Wookie,

1196
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,079
so I assume because it was young, it didn't know

1197
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:32,880
any better, and she convinced it to wake me up.

1198
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:38,560
So when she did, apparently I had made my way

1199
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:44,359
to one of the jump ships that they have and

1200
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:49,479
stole it. So Brumps was informed. Brumps goes and contacts Stella.

1201
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,720
Stella again is in another meeting, stops what she's doing

1202
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:58,640
to come and find me. My wife says that they

1203
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:04,439
put out a notice to other factions that the ship

1204
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,640
that was out was rogue and it wasn't in control

1205
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,119
by them, so they recaptured me because the ship had

1206
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,399
stalled out and then brought me back. So Stella said

1207
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:18,039
that that wasn't the first time that I've taken one

1208
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:20,920
of their ships, and that I've taken one of their

1209
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,520
transport vehicles before. So when they when she was talking

1210
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,600
with Grumps before they went out to go get me,

1211
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:33,039
she asked how many, and Grump said won. So then

1212
01:10:33,039 --> 01:10:36,880
he knew that it was just me out there and

1213
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,239
not all of us. It's pretty wild. Like like I said,

1214
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:43,279
I don't want to believe it. I mean that there's

1215
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,439
this this scenario is going on, but this is what's

1216
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,079
reported to me. I don't have those those dreams and

1217
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:55,840
those experiences. I have very vivid dreams about other things

1218
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,840
that go on. Whether I'm having these experiences and then

1219
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:04,279
thinking that I'm having a dream about something else, like

1220
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:08,680
a screen memory, that could be possible, but I'm not sure.

1221
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:13,640
So Stella says, since those incidents, whenever I go on

1222
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,720
the ship, they put warning signs up now to let

1223
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,319
them know that I'm there that beyond extra caution. So

1224
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,079
after that event, you know, I was joking around with

1225
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:27,079
my wife and I told her so, I was like, so,

1226
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:31,199
what was I like, something like bugs Bunny and you know,

1227
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,560
just joking around, and she said that. Stella said, no,

1228
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:38,640
that I was more like Wiley Coyote instead, because of

1229
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,399
my core personality. Like I said earlier, there are other

1230
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,640
factions out there. So whatever faction Stella is like, I

1231
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,800
assume that factions would work similar to how we have

1232
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,279
different nations and then we have like a United Nations

1233
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,720
or like there's a governmental system between them where they're

1234
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,840
not all the same. You know, my wife had instances

1235
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,600
where she would have dreams where we would be abducted

1236
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:07,760
by gray entities that aren't part of Stella's faction. So,

1237
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:12,399
and it primarily happens after I do a deep meditation.

1238
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:16,840
The first time, it was reported that we were taken

1239
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,720
into the backyard and we were being brought through a portal,

1240
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:25,600
and before we went through the portal, we were standing

1241
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,680
in the backyard and the one of the gray entities

1242
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:34,319
had grabbed onto her wrist to bring her through the portal,

1243
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,239
and then there was like a light that had came

1244
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:42,479
from her arm. That entity then let go of her

1245
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,640
arm and then went to another one of the entities

1246
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,560
that was there, one of the grays, and said, put

1247
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,720
them back. And he said, what do you mean why

1248
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,239
would we put them back? He said, because she's going

1249
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:57,920
to be angry. He said, well, what are you talking about?

1250
01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:01,039
So he told the other gray to go back and check.

1251
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:04,600
So the other Gray went back and then held onto

1252
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,119
her wrist her arm and then proceeded to bring us back.

1253
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,600
That was the first instance. We also had an instance

1254
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:17,600
where the like there was orbs in the house. So

1255
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:22,279
but they weren't Stella's faction. They were a different faction

1256
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,479
that had been checking things out because I had been meditating,

1257
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:32,640
and they focused their attention on my youngest son. So

1258
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,199
while my wife was in the bathroom, she was getting

1259
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:40,960
communications to go check on my son. So she quickly

1260
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,520
went up and went to go check, and when she did,

1261
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,039
he was sleeping on his bed. But there was a

1262
01:13:46,199 --> 01:13:49,159
blue orb that was floating above him. And as soon

1263
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:54,119
as she had seen the blue orb, it quickly moved

1264
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,439
and left, and as soon as it moved, there was

1265
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,439
a shadow entity that moved with it on the other side.

1266
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,159
So there was also an instance where my youngest son

1267
01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:07,760
had disappeared.

1268
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: So we were in I was at work.

1269
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,279
Speaker 4: My wife was at the house with the boy. He

1270
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:18,439
was sleeping on the couch. She did some errands and

1271
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,800
some laundry, and she came back to check on him

1272
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:25,960
and he wasn't on the couch. So she checked around

1273
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,720
the areas, checked the floor, she checked around, you know,

1274
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,840
all around that area, and then immediately went to go

1275
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,640
check the doors. All the doors were still locked. There's

1276
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,840
no way he could have got out. So she's freaking

1277
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,840
out because you know, she thinks that he's missing. While

1278
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:47,399
she's looking for him, she hears him crying. So he

1279
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,399
was in the same spot that he was originally on

1280
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:56,720
the couch. Whoever it was that took him immediately brought

1281
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,960
him back right after they took him. You know, maybe

1282
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:04,560
they realized like who he was connected to or what,

1283
01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:08,079
but you know, it was it was quick, so they

1284
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:11,880
brought him back. So I think, you know, there's these

1285
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,399
factions and they don't step on each other's toes.

1286
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: So if they have a.

1287
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 4: Project or you know, something that's going on, they don't.

1288
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,159
And they realized that somebody else or something else is

1289
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:28,399
working on that or there or you know, protecting them,

1290
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:29,840
they won't mess with them and.

1291
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,279
Speaker 1: They'll back off, you know.

1292
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:34,039
Speaker 4: And then there was another instance where I had been

1293
01:15:34,079 --> 01:15:38,640
meditating and my wife reported that there was a dream

1294
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,079
that she had where everything was black and she was

1295
01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:43,239
being asked questions.

1296
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: You know, there was a woman and a man.

1297
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,079
Speaker 4: So the man who was asking her questions about things,

1298
01:15:49,399 --> 01:15:51,680
the man asked, where do you think you are? And

1299
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,760
she said on the ship. And she asked, well, where

1300
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:55,560
are the wookies?

1301
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: He said, what wookies?

1302
01:15:57,119 --> 01:16:00,359
Speaker 4: He said, the wookies that are on the ship. The guy,

1303
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,760
he said that we don't have those. I don't even

1304
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,079
know what you're talking about. So the woman then came

1305
01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:11,680
into the conversation, and the guy asked the woman.

1306
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:14,359
Speaker 1: What are wookies? Have you ever heard of these?

1307
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 4: And she said, yeah, I've heard of them, but only

1308
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,279
I've only ever heard of one other faction that has those,

1309
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,680
at which point her dream abruptly ended. So I think

1310
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,439
there was another instance where they figured out that we

1311
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,720
were tied to something else or someone else and immediately

1312
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,399
brought us back. There was another dream where she was

1313
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,479
on the ship and she was After that, she was

1314
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,439
on the ship and she was playing with the wookies again,

1315
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,279
and she said that there was another tall gray that

1316
01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:50,760
she hadn't seen before who came in, and Stella was

1317
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:56,119
there as well, and the tall gray had one of

1318
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:59,359
those wookies with him and gave it back to Stella

1319
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,680
and said take it back.

1320
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,359
Speaker 1: It's broken, And she said, well what do you mean.

1321
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:08,039
Speaker 4: She said, well, it but it wants constant attention, and

1322
01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:13,199
it wants it wants treats, so what's wrong with it?

1323
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:18,319
So Stella replied that it came from the medium batch

1324
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:23,199
and that it had had close contact with humans, at

1325
01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:28,359
which point the tall gray looked surprised, and then that

1326
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,560
was the end of that dream. So I think, I

1327
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,720
think that these these wookie animals that they have because

1328
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,760
they have some kind of psionic ability, I think that

1329
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,479
instead of being used as pets, you know, I think

1330
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,720
they're being used more like tools of some sort, like

1331
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,439
a work animal rather than a pet. Like if it

1332
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,600
was a pet, you know, you'd want to give it affection,

1333
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,840
you want to give it attention, I mean, because that's

1334
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,079
why you have it. But it appeared as though these

1335
01:17:56,199 --> 01:18:00,439
entities use these animals more like a work animal rather

1336
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,039
than a pet. So she had another dream and another

1337
01:18:04,079 --> 01:18:07,319
point where she had seen one of the reptilians on

1338
01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:11,279
the ship again. When she had seen the reptilian, it

1339
01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:16,319
looked confused and had asked one of the grays there

1340
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,960
if that was normal. He said yeah, and asked who

1341
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:25,079
allows it, and they said she does, at which point

1342
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:26,960
he went about his business and kept.

1343
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,079
Speaker 1: Moving, and that was the end of that dream.

1344
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 4: My wife also had a dream where she was moving

1345
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,600
around in the ship, just kind of exploring, and she

1346
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,960
came on a room that had tubes in them that

1347
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:45,520
looked like babies in the tube, like human babies in

1348
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,359
the tube, and the Grumps was there because he was

1349
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:51,920
tasked with following her around the ship to make sure

1350
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,279
that she wasn't going to get into trouble.

1351
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 1: So that's why there's always a gray there with.

1352
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,239
Speaker 4: Her as she's moving around the ship, just to make

1353
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:02,760
sure that, you know, nothing bad happens, especially after instances,

1354
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:06,760
you know, throughout. So in any case, she asked about

1355
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,119
the babies and wants to know if any of those

1356
01:19:10,399 --> 01:19:13,600
is hers. He points to one of them and tells

1357
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,399
her that that one, that that girl is yours, at

1358
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:20,920
which point she says, I want to take it. I

1359
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,439
want to take it home, and Grumps tells her that

1360
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,800
she can't, and if she did that, the baby wouldn't

1361
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,239
survive on earth.

1362
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: There's no way that she can.

1363
01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:34,399
Speaker 4: After for a period of time after she had that dream,

1364
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:39,319
she was randomly hearing a baby cry in real life,

1365
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:42,359
you know, while she's conscious and awake at home. I

1366
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,159
didn't hear it, but you know, she did, and she

1367
01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:48,039
was pretty distraught by hearing it. And that went on

1368
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:51,279
for at least a couple of weeks. She reported that

1369
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:55,279
she had a dream where she had succeeded on actually

1370
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:59,000
getting the baby out of the tube and got the

1371
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:02,279
baby out of the tube and had one of the

1372
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:06,600
Wookies with it and use the Wookie to wake me up,

1373
01:20:07,159 --> 01:20:11,199
and that we were all in a ship trying to escape,

1374
01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:16,159
but we were eventually apprehended. So I think one of

1375
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,800
Stella's main goals is to change my core personality type.

1376
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,800
She wants me to be more positive and to see

1377
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:31,760
the beauty in the chaos and stop being the negative, defiant,

1378
01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:35,039
stubborn person that I continue to be.

1379
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 1: Now. I don't know why. I don't.

1380
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's altruistic and they're doing it

1381
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,760
just because you know, they're trying to be nice, or

1382
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,600
because there's some ulterior motive associated with that. So, if

1383
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:54,359
these interdimensional beings are are tasked with, you know, timeline

1384
01:20:54,439 --> 01:21:00,760
manipulation or overseeing timelines, if they could change a constant

1385
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,880
something that is constant, somebody who's constantly negative or has

1386
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,319
negative you know, personality types such as myself, into a

1387
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:12,399
more positive being, it may look like it's a mark

1388
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:17,680
of achievement or a like a thesis or magnum opus

1389
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,760
or whatever you want to call it. So I don't know,

1390
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,000
maybe that has something to do with it. Then they

1391
01:21:22,039 --> 01:21:25,359
see it as like a mark of achievement. At one point,

1392
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:29,279
I told Stella that I was willing to do what

1393
01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:33,760
she asked me to do and try to shift into

1394
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,239
this more positive version of myself. But I told her

1395
01:21:37,279 --> 01:21:40,239
I wanted I wanted something in return. So I told

1396
01:21:40,279 --> 01:21:43,800
her I wanted all of my memories back, So all

1397
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,680
of the things that I've done, I want to be

1398
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,399
able to remember that. If they've taken them from me

1399
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,000
and that's why I don't remember, then I want them back.

1400
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,680
And then on top of that, I also want my sovereignty.

1401
01:21:57,039 --> 01:22:01,600
I don't want to be just some you know, lab experiment.

1402
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,720
I mean, I'd rather be looked at like I'm a

1403
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:08,600
person rather than you know, a thing. So she took

1404
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,960
a second or a few seconds to think about it,

1405
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,800
and then replied understood, and that she was going to

1406
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,960
go back to her higher ups and see what she

1407
01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:20,640
can do. Months later, she came back to me and

1408
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,039
said that they were willing to give me my memories,

1409
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:29,079
but only with safeguards in place. So I think that

1410
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,279
part of the dreams that I'm having are memories of

1411
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:40,640
asked events or parallel events that are happening. And it

1412
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:45,479
was unlocked when I asked to update my soul contract. So,

1413
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,239
like I said, I've had a lot of dreams myself,

1414
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,479
but they weren't like my wife's where we're on the ship,

1415
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,600
you know, and stuff happens on the ship. They feel

1416
01:22:54,680 --> 01:23:00,720
like distinct other me. There's just there're different versions of myself,

1417
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,560
you know, and the environment is different, so like the

1418
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,399
technology that we have is different, and things that just

1419
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:09,600
wouldn't make sense.

1420
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:11,119
Speaker 1: For example, I.

1421
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:14,159
Speaker 4: Had a dream where I had seen a It looked

1422
01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:17,279
like a plane, but it was very robust and like

1423
01:23:17,319 --> 01:23:20,640
a thicker version of a plane, Like it's not aerodynamic

1424
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,880
at all, like in terms of like being able to

1425
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:23,640
lift itself.

1426
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,159
Speaker 1: So I think it has some.

1427
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 4: Kind of a anti graph technology that it uses. And

1428
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:35,279
the belly of that plane was used to hould like

1429
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,039
cargo containers.

1430
01:23:37,359 --> 01:23:38,119
Speaker 1: I saw on.

1431
01:23:38,079 --> 01:23:42,119
Speaker 4: The bottom where it had the connectors where cargo containers

1432
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:44,600
would go, as if it would just float over the

1433
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,479
container and then somehow rip it onto the bottom of

1434
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,600
it and then carry it off. But in that dream

1435
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:56,279
I was standing in front of my doorway, and there

1436
01:23:56,359 --> 01:23:59,119
was the street in front of me, the sidewalk in

1437
01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:02,920
front of me. It was an industrial complex or industrial

1438
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:05,319
zoning area, so it was like I could see like

1439
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:08,560
a water tower and there was you know, fence, and

1440
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:13,399
then I seen that that plane in the sky moving

1441
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,439
and then it dipped like it started to turn sideways

1442
01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:20,880
and then nose down, and then it hit the ground

1443
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,399
and it exploded. That's when that dream ended. The technology

1444
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,319
was definitely different. It's not something we normally have. I

1445
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:30,840
also had a dream where I had seen a craft.

1446
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:33,479
I was walking down the street, and as I was

1447
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,359
walking down the street, I looked up and I seen

1448
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,800
a craft floating just above like houses, maybe three hundred

1449
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,520
feet in the air above ground level.

1450
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: And it was a very distinct looking craft.

1451
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 4: It looked kind of like a conch shell, but it

1452
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,319
had like spines, like three spines that went out the front,

1453
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,920
and then it had spines that went up the back

1454
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,720
of it and then pointed to.

1455
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 1: The back, so it kind of swept back.

1456
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 4: There was a bunch of spines swept back maybe like

1457
01:25:04,359 --> 01:25:08,800
nine to twelve, similar to how like a porcupine's quills

1458
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,199
sweep back across its back and that's how that craft.

1459
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,279
The spines were on the back of that craft, so

1460
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:18,840
it was just kind of floating, moving slowly from right

1461
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,119
to left. And it freaked me out in the dream

1462
01:25:22,399 --> 01:25:25,239
when I seen it, so I immediately started to run,

1463
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,119
and when I was running, I seen this really brilliant

1464
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:33,239
blue flash. Right after I seen that blue flash, there

1465
01:25:33,359 --> 01:25:38,319
was this suction that was pulling me backward, lifting dirt

1466
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,279
and rock and debris off of the ground with it

1467
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,680
and pulling stuff in toward the direction of where this

1468
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,880
craft was. I grabbed a hold of a tree and

1469
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,279
wrapped my arms and my legs around the tree as

1470
01:25:52,319 --> 01:25:56,239
it continued to pull me back, and that's when that

1471
01:25:56,319 --> 01:26:01,479
dream ended. So I've had multiple dreams where yeah, it's

1472
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,960
just like strange stuff happening, like I've seen my own

1473
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,399
death before in dreams. I know other people have reported

1474
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,800
that as well. But you know, with the background that

1475
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,720
I have, I think that I may be seeing those

1476
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,560
parallel lives or other versions of myself, you know, and

1477
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:18,840
what's going on there.

1478
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 8: You don't always know you're in a cult. Not At first,

1479
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,720
it feels like truth, like purpose, like home. Then the

1480
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,680
rules change, the world gets smaller, and obedience becomes survival.

1481
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,600
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Speaker 4: So off of the dream subject. Not too long ago,

1493
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:34,960
one of my family friends had passed away and well it's.

1494
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:35,199
Speaker 1: More like an acquaintance.

1495
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 4: He's a guy that I work with and his father

1496
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:44,600
had passed away, and that night Stella told me that

1497
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:49,840
he was with his son driving in the corvette and

1498
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,199
to tell his wife and she gave me her name

1499
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,039
that everything was going to be okay. So I went

1500
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:02,479
back and I asked my coworker to confirm if the

1501
01:28:03,319 --> 01:28:06,680
his mom's name was in fact that and it was.

1502
01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:11,920
And I asked him if his father had his father's

1503
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,920
son or his brother had had a corvette, and he

1504
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,960
said yeah. So he confirmed both points that the what

1505
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:24,039
the name of the wife was, and he confirmed that

1506
01:28:24,079 --> 01:28:27,600
his that the other one had the corvette. So for me,

1507
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:32,720
that was a confirmation that they have a link to

1508
01:28:33,119 --> 01:28:36,880
the spiritual world on the other side. So, like I

1509
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,920
was saying earlier, with you know, this being a simulation,

1510
01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:45,800
you know that maybe another world that's attached to this

1511
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,239
one kind of like I don't know, like a storage

1512
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:52,760
or just the next step in what we're doing, Like

1513
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,159
if this is a spiritual evolution thing, like maybe that's

1514
01:28:56,199 --> 01:28:58,640
like the holding area until you go back in to

1515
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,279
try again or or what. So I don't know. So

1516
01:29:02,399 --> 01:29:05,600
there's that on top of that. You know, my mother

1517
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,279
recently passed away as well, Now my mom. When I

1518
01:29:10,359 --> 01:29:14,960
had the experiences where I felt presences, I told my

1519
01:29:15,039 --> 01:29:19,640
mom about it, and she told me that she believed

1520
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,079
me because she could see things that other people say

1521
01:29:23,119 --> 01:29:27,039
aren't there. So and she's not the only one. My

1522
01:29:27,159 --> 01:29:31,600
nephew has reported the same thing where he has seen

1523
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,319
people that weren't supposed to be there. So, for example,

1524
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,640
my nephew was at a at his house and he

1525
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,279
was in his room just relaxing, and he said, there

1526
01:29:42,319 --> 01:29:45,039
was this old woman that walked past his doorway and

1527
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:47,159
being astonished because he's the only one who's supposed to

1528
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:49,159
be in the house, you know, he doesn't know what's

1529
01:29:49,159 --> 01:29:52,000
going on. And then as the woman walks past, this

1530
01:29:52,039 --> 01:29:53,439
little dog passes with her.

1531
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: He's freaked out by it.

1532
01:29:55,159 --> 01:29:58,079
Speaker 4: He goes, he leaves, and he looks out the doorway

1533
01:29:58,399 --> 01:29:59,439
and she's gone.

1534
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:00,359
Speaker 1: She's no where to be found.

1535
01:30:00,359 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 4: He looks around the house in order to be found,

1536
01:30:02,319 --> 01:30:04,399
so he goes, he leaves, he comes back, he talks

1537
01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:07,840
to the downstairs neighbor and explains what he had seen.

1538
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:11,119
And the downstairs neighbor had said that that was the

1539
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:15,359
description of the woman who had died in his house previously,

1540
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,800
and that was the description of the dog that she

1541
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,239
had had, and there's no way that he could have

1542
01:30:20,359 --> 01:30:24,800
seen them because she had died years previously. So that's

1543
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,439
an instance where you know, both my mother and my

1544
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:33,680
nephew have seen something that they are a person who

1545
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,279
has already passed that there shouldn't be there. So so,

1546
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,720
like I was saying, recently, my mother passed away. So

1547
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,000
two weeks before my mother passing away, my wife goes

1548
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:48,680
to pick up the cake for my son because his

1549
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,479
birthday was around that time. So she goes to pick

1550
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,600
up the cake and she's waiting at the bakery. There's

1551
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,319
a woman standing there with her, and then she tells

1552
01:30:58,359 --> 01:30:59,439
the guy what she wants.

1553
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: He goes back to go get it.

1554
01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 4: She said that there was another woman who came up

1555
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,319
who gave her a hug and then told her to

1556
01:31:07,399 --> 01:31:11,600
tell Jay that I said hi, and that everything is

1557
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,239
going to be okay, and then she gives her a

1558
01:31:14,279 --> 01:31:18,000
hug and then walks away. My wife turns back to

1559
01:31:18,079 --> 01:31:21,479
go deal with the cake situation and then realizes that

1560
01:31:22,119 --> 01:31:24,079
she didn't get the name of the person, so there's

1561
01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:27,039
no way to relay the information. She turns back. When

1562
01:31:27,039 --> 01:31:30,800
she turns back, the woman's gone. So she looks at

1563
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,840
the baker who just comes out and says, did you

1564
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,600
see which way the woman went? So he says, what woman,

1565
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,319
and then points to the lady who's standing next to

1566
01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:41,279
my wife. She says, no, it's not that woman. That

1567
01:31:41,359 --> 01:31:43,319
the other woman that was just here said there was

1568
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:47,199
no other woman, so and then the lady who's standing

1569
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:47,720
next to her.

1570
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: She asked her if she.

1571
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,159
Speaker 4: Had seen which way the woman went, and the woman

1572
01:31:53,159 --> 01:31:55,720
that was standing next to her also said that there

1573
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,439
was no woman there. So at the time, I didn't

1574
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,239
understand what was going on. When my wife relaid the

1575
01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:04,399
information to me that a woman had come up to

1576
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,720
her and did that, I didn't think anything of it.

1577
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,159
I said, Okay, well, maybe it's just somebody saying hi,

1578
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:11,840
and you know, I don't know, maybe it's because of

1579
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:15,479
you know, my friend's father who passed away. You know,

1580
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:16,880
maybe it had something to do with that. So I

1581
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,560
didn't think nothing of it. And then two weeks later,

1582
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,720
my mom passes away, and I didn't think anything about

1583
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,920
it until my brother brought it up. He's like, well,

1584
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,920
didn't you tell me that she had an incident where

1585
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,079
she was at and then she got approached by somebody,

1586
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,239
And I say, yeah, but I I you know, I

1587
01:32:32,279 --> 01:32:34,479
didn't put two and two together until he said something

1588
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,880
about it. There's that, And then you know, I was

1589
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,039
talking with my sister about it, and she's also had

1590
01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:44,560
an experience where she was at the hospital she had

1591
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:49,199
a premature baby. Before she had the baby, the doctors

1592
01:32:49,279 --> 01:32:52,880
checked her out and told her that she was good

1593
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,079
to go home. So they left, and she said that

1594
01:32:56,119 --> 01:33:00,800
a woman came into the hospital room and then told

1595
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:05,199
her that she wasn't going anywhere and that she she

1596
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:07,680
wasn't okay and that the baby wasn't okay and she

1597
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,359
needed to stay there, and that the woman left the room.

1598
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,359
Then the nurses came back in. When the nurses came

1599
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:18,239
in to you know, help her leave, she told them

1600
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:21,039
that the lady who came in told her that she's

1601
01:33:21,079 --> 01:33:21,640
not okay.

1602
01:33:22,119 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: So they weren't sure who she was talking about.

1603
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,399
Speaker 4: So the doctors they come back in and they're looking

1604
01:33:28,399 --> 01:33:30,760
her over, and they decided to keep her there. Well,

1605
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,840
they looked at the security camera footage and no woman

1606
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:37,239
went into that room, but it showed in the camera.

1607
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,720
From what my sister says is that the door opened

1608
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,560
as if somebody had pushed the door open and then

1609
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:46,880
somebody had come through.

1610
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1611
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 4: I just find it similar to the instance where you know,

1612
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:56,319
my wife is getting the cake and then you know,

1613
01:33:56,359 --> 01:33:58,640
a woman comes up and then tells her everything's going

1614
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:03,159
to be okay. So also the the day that my mother,

1615
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:06,680
my mother passed away, on my way home, I had

1616
01:34:07,319 --> 01:34:11,119
a terrible headache all day. But on my way home

1617
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:15,199
I noticed that there was a lot of birds flying

1618
01:34:15,279 --> 01:34:18,880
toward my vehicle and it just it was really odd.

1619
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,039
It was enough for me to say, Hey, what's going

1620
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:25,600
on here? So later on when I got home, I

1621
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,319
started talking to my wife about it, and she said,

1622
01:34:29,399 --> 01:34:34,359
Stella says that the birds were messengers, and messengers of what.

1623
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:35,159
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1624
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 4: So as the night goes on, I get a message

1625
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,239
from my aunt later that night that my mother had

1626
01:34:43,279 --> 01:34:46,920
passed away. It was a it was a difficult moment.

1627
01:34:48,079 --> 01:34:52,800
A few weeks later, my wife has taking my youngest

1628
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,159
son to a social event at the fire hall.

1629
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,039
Speaker 1: When they got.

1630
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,039
Speaker 4: There, uh, they were they were going around looking at stuff,

1631
01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:05,039
doing stuff, and she was standing there talking to somebody

1632
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,239
and she thought she saw the backside of my mother

1633
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,960
standing there, but she wasn't quite sure, so she kept

1634
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:13,680
talking to the.

1635
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: Other people that were there.

1636
01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 4: But my son afterward, because he was in the stroller,

1637
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:24,199
My son afterward told her or that he.

1638
01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Had seen my mom.

1639
01:35:26,079 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 4: Now he used my mom's name, you know what we

1640
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,640
call her, but he didn't he hasn't met her.

1641
01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I mean my mom.

1642
01:35:34,359 --> 01:35:36,079
Speaker 4: She had been sick for a long time, and she

1643
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:40,359
had been in Kingston for like twelve years and had

1644
01:35:40,399 --> 01:35:43,680
never met the boy. So and we don't really like

1645
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,239
talk about her like that at the house, so you know,

1646
01:35:47,359 --> 01:35:51,039
he couldn't have overheard the name. But in any case,

1647
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:57,640
he said that he had seen a portal open up,

1648
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,720
because he at this point he's four years old, so

1649
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:04,359
he said he had seen a portal open up and

1650
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:08,000
the biggest big eyes that he had ever seen come

1651
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:11,239
out of the portal with a heavy set or a

1652
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,159
he said, a fat woman, and that she said what

1653
01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:19,520
her name was and that she wanted to meet him

1654
01:36:20,199 --> 01:36:24,319
because she loves him. She had never been able to before.

1655
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:27,159
You know, I think that was an instance where they're

1656
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,680
where Stella is trying to make me happy and had

1657
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:38,159
my mom's spirit come through and see the boy. So

1658
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,960
I think that there's a connection with the other side

1659
01:36:42,279 --> 01:36:43,399
and these entities.

1660
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1661
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 4: Since then, there's been other instances where like, like I

1662
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,640
wasn't sure, like with the arrangements, if my mom was

1663
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,600
going to be okay with the arrangements, and you know,

1664
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,000
I was kind of stressing about it, and Stella said

1665
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,720
that everything was okay, that mom mom liked everything, that

1666
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,600
I was doing. She she thought I was crazy for

1667
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,800
doing it, you know, but because she didn't want to

1668
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,399
have all of it done. It was because of the

1669
01:37:09,399 --> 01:37:12,640
the effort involved in doing what I did. But I

1670
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,680
did it so she and she was happy with it

1671
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,720
and that she would never she could never be mad

1672
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:21,640
at me for that. There was that instance, And you know,

1673
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,880
I believe that my mom is still kind of hanging

1674
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,000
out and she doesn't want to move on. And I

1675
01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:29,680
believe my mom is just as stubborn as I am,

1676
01:37:30,039 --> 01:37:33,840
so she's not going to move on without knowing that

1677
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:38,000
her kids are going to be okay. So occasionally, you know,

1678
01:37:38,079 --> 01:37:41,640
Stella will say something like, uh, you know you she'd

1679
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,119
be like, you know, your mom wanted to let you

1680
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,720
know that, you know, she finds it interesting that you

1681
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:49,359
still have this knickknack that she gave me, like however

1682
01:37:49,399 --> 01:37:52,560
many years ago, or like, you know, the other night

1683
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:57,560
they were talking. She was talking about the cooking and

1684
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,840
she made like a specific dish that was like but

1685
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,359
it was a store bought one instead of a homemade one.

1686
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:10,279
So Stella was relaying the recipe that my mom had

1687
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,840
to my wife through Stella. So you know, I, like

1688
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,359
I said, I think that wherever we go after we're

1689
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:22,399
done here, they have access to it. I'm not sure

1690
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:26,520
that they primarily live there, or maybe it's just a

1691
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:31,000
go through between where you know, it's just a you know,

1692
01:38:31,399 --> 01:38:36,279
a way through, but they have access to it for sure,

1693
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:42,439
and that makes sense. If these entities are extra dimensional, right,

1694
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:45,800
they have the ability to do things that we wouldn't

1695
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,960
be able to. So the way that I'm looking at

1696
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,840
it is similar to like a video game. Okay, so

1697
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,960
you have your characters in game. So if you look

1698
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,680
at the people as if their characters in game, right,

1699
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:04,640
our time flows right. But to these entities, they're outside

1700
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:08,279
of the game in some respects, and then they have

1701
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:14,279
access to the game through like avatars. So when they

1702
01:39:14,279 --> 01:39:17,960
say that the body is just a vessel, for example,

1703
01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:21,079
like Bob Lazarre was talking about, now the entities were

1704
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:24,520
saying that the body is just a vessel, then it's

1705
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,279
similar to a video game where you have a character

1706
01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:29,039
in the video game, and then you can control the

1707
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:32,239
character in the video game. The technology that they have

1708
01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:36,720
is so advanced that it appears as though it's magic

1709
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,119
to us, Like we just can't believe that they can

1710
01:39:40,119 --> 01:39:42,119
do what they can do. But if you look at

1711
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:45,560
it through the eyes of a video game or a simulation,

1712
01:39:46,039 --> 01:39:51,720
then everything makes sense. It's just these entities have admin status.

1713
01:39:52,279 --> 01:39:55,800
They can do things like god mode or fast travel

1714
01:39:56,119 --> 01:39:59,560
or you know whatever. At least that's the way that

1715
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,680
I see it currently with my current understanding. If I

1716
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,239
get new data, then you know, that may update how

1717
01:40:06,319 --> 01:40:07,359
I see the world.

1718
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,199
Speaker 1: But as it is now, it seems as.

1719
01:40:10,079 --> 01:40:15,520
Speaker 4: Though that this is a sort of simulation, and that

1720
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,239
like I said, I'm not sure it's a computer. I mean,

1721
01:40:20,279 --> 01:40:26,239
it may be biological in nature. Consciousness itself may be

1722
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,439
a fractal. It might be like a like a Mandel

1723
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:35,159
brought set where consciousness begets consciousness begets consciousness like a

1724
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:36,920
mirror in front of another mirror.

1725
01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 1: It's like, how far does it go? I don't know,

1726
01:40:40,279 --> 01:40:41,399
but that's.

1727
01:40:41,279 --> 01:40:43,600
Speaker 4: Why I stated earlier that this is one of the

1728
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:48,560
most complex questions that anybody can ask in the nature

1729
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:49,680
of reality itself.

1730
01:40:50,319 --> 01:40:52,239
Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing all that, Jay.

1731
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was the end, and I'm sorry.

1732
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:59,319
I mean, it's taken so long to go through it all.

1733
01:40:59,359 --> 01:41:01,760
I just I know that there was a lot of information.

1734
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 5: That's okay, you did just great and how'd you feel.

1735
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, now that I've said everything out. Part

1736
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:10,800
of the reason why I didn't want to do the

1737
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:16,119
interviews because I didn't want to give what's happening freedoms.

1738
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,000
I mean, like, once I say it out loud, it

1739
01:41:19,079 --> 01:41:24,479
gives it, you know, more life, more realism, because you know,

1740
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,079
part of me just doesn't want to accept that any

1741
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:29,720
of this is real. I don't want to accept that,

1742
01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:32,439
and that's why I keep pushing it back. Keep I

1743
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:36,119
keep having pushback, you know, and I and questioning things

1744
01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:39,439
and like some of this stuff, if this stuff is real,

1745
01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:44,640
then this changes everything. Not all of it doesn't even

1746
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:47,159
have to be real. There's just a few things in

1747
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:50,159
here that have to be real, and it's reality shifting.

1748
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:51,720
And it's a huge ask.

1749
01:41:52,199 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 5: Do you believe that your childhood sightings are connected with

1750
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:57,119
your later experiences?

1751
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, I didn't tell you before.

1752
01:42:00,319 --> 01:42:03,279
Speaker 4: My brother he's had experiences too, So around the same

1753
01:42:03,279 --> 01:42:05,760
time that we seen the blue light, he reported seeing

1754
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:08,560
later on, after I talked to him about it, he

1755
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,039
reported seeing the three beings with a with a like

1756
01:42:13,079 --> 01:42:19,600
a tannish color skin, with the large eyes that came

1757
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,680
into the room. Because we used to sleep in my

1758
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:24,600
mom's room. So I mean, it's it's all connected. They've

1759
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,079
been watching me for a long time. I mean, and

1760
01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:30,039
it's not just that now they're they're watching the whole family.

1761
01:42:30,199 --> 01:42:33,159
Like I was telling you before I got the there's

1762
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:35,479
grays that are posted up in my house. They're kind

1763
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,640
of like guardians or sentinels, you know, because we've had

1764
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,720
these other entities that come in and snatch us up.

1765
01:42:43,239 --> 01:42:46,399
Those other ones that are here kind of watch over things.

1766
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:50,079
So you know, they don't have names. We gave them

1767
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:53,159
nicknames and they don't have to take those nicknames. So

1768
01:42:53,319 --> 01:42:55,560
but they they kind of do like when they want

1769
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,279
so we Grammond is the name that I gave the

1770
01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:05,279
one who likes to mess with the electronics. Graymond is

1771
01:43:05,319 --> 01:43:09,439
the one who messes with electronics, so he does like

1772
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:12,800
the computer stuff. And I'm pretty sure he's the one

1773
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:18,279
who posted the second picture of the gray entity that

1774
01:43:18,399 --> 01:43:22,000
was that's in my attic. It doesn't stay there, it's

1775
01:43:22,039 --> 01:43:24,439
just it was there, and they took a picture. One

1776
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:28,640
of them took a picture probably with one of our phones,

1777
01:43:29,399 --> 01:43:32,880
and uploaded it onto my social media.

1778
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't do that.

1779
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:38,199
Speaker 4: I was in the shower when that got posted right,

1780
01:43:38,279 --> 01:43:40,840
and then my wife was busy doing stuff in the

1781
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:42,640
living room, so she didn't do it.

1782
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:44,239
Speaker 1: I asked her, are you doing it?

1783
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,199
Speaker 4: So you know, the only other option here is that

1784
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:52,680
my wife is some kind of super secret spy agent

1785
01:43:52,880 --> 01:44:00,560
level of competence and is running some unimaginable campaign to

1786
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,920
get me to believe whatever it is that she's telling

1787
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:08,720
me or these things exist. And I find it really

1788
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,720
hard to believe that she has the aptitude to pull

1789
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,039
off something like that. So well, like I said, you know,

1790
01:44:15,159 --> 01:44:16,800
we have the grays that are posted up here, So

1791
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,399
we got Graymond right, so he's like the tech guy.

1792
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,560
And then Big Eyes is kind of the one who

1793
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,039
watches over my youngest son. And then we have what

1794
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:30,399
I call the tweedles, so tweedle dumb and tweedlede because

1795
01:44:30,399 --> 01:44:31,800
they like to mess with things.

1796
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 1: They think they're helping, but they're not.

1797
01:44:34,079 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 4: So they mess with my coffee pot and cause it

1798
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:40,760
to overflow, or they take like they mess with our

1799
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:44,479
animals and then get all our reptiles all riled up

1800
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,840
and start like banging against cages and things like that.

1801
01:44:47,239 --> 01:44:51,680
So I mean, we have the tweedles, and then there's

1802
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:55,079
a new one that showed up that's friends with Big

1803
01:44:55,079 --> 01:44:58,239
Eyes called Terry. I didn't know about this one until

1804
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,560
my youngest son notified me that Big Eyes has a

1805
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,479
new friend named Terry. He's scared of humans, so he

1806
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,439
kind of like backs off. I asked which one it

1807
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:11,840
was in the photo, and Stella confirmed that it wasn't

1808
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:15,319
any of the normal ones. So I'm assuming that that

1809
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,560
was Terry who got the photo taken of. I'm not

1810
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:22,640
sure so, but but yeah, there's a lot, man, there's

1811
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,039
a lot going on, you know. I just I don't

1812
01:45:25,039 --> 01:45:28,159
want to believe that it's real. But I can't say

1813
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:32,359
that it's not because all of the experiences that I've had.

1814
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:35,479
You know, you can you can explain away certain things,

1815
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,399
right Like you can say, you know, it's just sleep

1816
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:43,640
paralysis or hypnopompic hallucinations or I mean it's uh, you know,

1817
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,439
when you when you when I wake up, I see

1818
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:49,279
symbols sometimes, so I mean, they say that that's phosphenes. So,

1819
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:54,239
but I think that they're just trying to make excuses

1820
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:58,000
for the thing because they don't understand the thing. So

1821
01:45:58,399 --> 01:46:00,880
and I think science and religion are both trying to

1822
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:04,920
solve the same question, but they don't understand that they're

1823
01:46:05,159 --> 01:46:08,239
they're looking. They're like if you have two blind people

1824
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:13,279
trying to describe what they're seeing, right, or what they're experiencing,

1825
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,439
and one person who's blind grabs a hold of the

1826
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,039
elephant's leg and tells you it's a tree, and the

1827
01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:21,600
other person grabs a hold of the trunk right and

1828
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:23,840
tells you that it's a snake. Because they're they're using

1829
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,880
the senses that they have, they don't have the ability

1830
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,840
to see that it's an elephant, so they're using their

1831
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,880
other senses to tell them what it is. So the

1832
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,119
one is wrong because he says it's a tree, obviously

1833
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:36,560
it's not. The other one's wrong because it's it's not

1834
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,760
a snake, right, But neither one of them understand that

1835
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,279
they're they're trying to describe the same thing, and they're

1836
01:46:42,279 --> 01:46:46,000
describing aspects of the same thing, but on different sides.

1837
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,039
Speaker 1: So at least that's how I see it.

1838
01:46:48,199 --> 01:46:50,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is true. Are you religious?

1839
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 4: I was baptized Roman Catholic, but I've never practiced. You know,

1840
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,960
I'll go to a church during events, you know, when

1841
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:01,279
i'm asked to. You know, half of my kids are baptized.

1842
01:47:01,279 --> 01:47:04,760
The other have haven't. I've also been married in a church,

1843
01:47:05,279 --> 01:47:08,560
so but not overly religious. No, but that that's part

1844
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,479
of the reason why I'm trying to understand what all

1845
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,560
this is. I mean, and I'm looking I mean, because

1846
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,760
it's up to everybody. It's your own personal choice right

1847
01:47:17,319 --> 01:47:21,640
to look into these things, use your constructive criticisms or

1848
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:27,239
your your your your own judgment discernment to try and

1849
01:47:27,279 --> 01:47:28,680
figure out what's going on.

1850
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,079
Speaker 1: So, I mean, which ones the true faith? I mean,

1851
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:32,640
I don't know.

1852
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,039
Speaker 4: I don't know which one is the true faith, but

1853
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,199
I mean, you have multiple options. It's like this person

1854
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:40,720
says this, this person says that, so on and so.

1855
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 1: Forth down the line.

1856
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 3: You.

1857
01:47:42,039 --> 01:47:44,399
Speaker 4: I mean, and part of the reason why everybody is

1858
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:48,119
fighting is because of these belief systems that they don't

1859
01:47:48,119 --> 01:47:50,800
even know that they're they're true or not. They're just

1860
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:53,960
they're basing it off of what other people are saying.

1861
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:57,239
Specifically with religion, you know, they're basing it off of

1862
01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:00,000
texts that happen way back when. They may have artifacts

1863
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:02,720
from back then, but they witness accounts of the people

1864
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,159
who've witnessed the miracles ain't around no more so you

1865
01:48:05,159 --> 01:48:05,960
can't really tell.

1866
01:48:06,399 --> 01:48:09,039
Speaker 1: So it's just this long drawn.

1867
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,520
Speaker 4: Out like what the hell I don't I don't know, so,

1868
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,479
but at this point, from my own personal experiences, there's

1869
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:18,840
something going on. There isn't there is an afterlife. There

1870
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:23,359
is something outside of our reality, whether it's you know,

1871
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:27,199
God through the Christian faith or the Jewish faith, or

1872
01:48:27,239 --> 01:48:32,960
the Monad through Gnostic faith or uh, everything is shiva,

1873
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:37,079
like the Chevaism says that you know, everything is just

1874
01:48:37,239 --> 01:48:41,520
Shiva playing it, playing a divine game, you know. It's

1875
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,840
it's up to every person to figure it out for themselves.

1876
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:48,239
At this point, like I said, I'm pretty sure there's

1877
01:48:48,279 --> 01:48:52,000
something outside of this system, and I'm pretty sure that

1878
01:48:52,119 --> 01:48:56,279
when I died I seen it. I seen it and

1879
01:48:56,399 --> 01:48:59,319
I didn't know so when I looked in it to Kashmir,

1880
01:48:59,399 --> 01:49:04,359
Shavaya is they describe the egg of creation in the void,

1881
01:49:05,159 --> 01:49:08,479
So they described the exact thing that I seen, But

1882
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:12,319
I didn't read that until like three years ago, and

1883
01:49:12,359 --> 01:49:14,079
when I had my near death it was over twenty

1884
01:49:14,119 --> 01:49:16,600
two years ago, so there's no way for me to

1885
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have known that information. So from my personal perspective, I mean,

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that makes sense to me, Like Kashmir Shavaism makes sense

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to me that we.

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Speaker 1: Are all of the one. We're all of the.

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Speaker 4: One, the source where everything is Shiva, and we're just

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all having divine play. We got bored and we created

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a world to play in it. So it's no different

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than a dream. Everything is just whether you know, when

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you say simulation, it's no different than a dream. When

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you're dreaming, it's the simulation. It's the same thing. Like

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I said earlier, if you're if you're dreaming it, are

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you making it or is something else making it?

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Speaker 1: Either way, it's being made. So I'm on the fence.

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Speaker 4: So the way I'm looking at it personally right now,

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I see that we are in a in a gnostic reality,

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nestled within a Chevak reality. So we created this gnostic

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reality as the game, and then the breakout through the

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Arkans and the demi Urge as like the bosses.

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Speaker 1: Of the game.

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Speaker 4: And then once we beat that, we go back to

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the Monad and you realize that the Monad and the

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source creation for Shiva are the same thing. They're just

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two different ways to go about it. The Monad is

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just it is what it is, and it does what

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it does on its own without knowing that it's doing it.

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It's just creating to create, whereas you know in Chevaism,

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it's like you're Shiva, you created all of this, and

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then eventually you put all the the legos back in

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the box. So when they see Siva, they see him

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as the destroyer. Oh no, he's going to destroy everything

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and he's taking apart the lego is putting him back

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in the box so that we can create again. It's

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a cycle, it goes on forever. That's where I'm at

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with religion right now. I can't prove it. Most people

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can't prove their religions to be real or not. But

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like I said, it's up to each individual person, because

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each individual person is their their own consciousness moving through

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through the maze. We're all finding our trying to find

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our way through the maze.

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Speaker 5: In all different places, all different speeds.

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Speaker 4: Right In Gnosissism, that's the process of nosis, of knowing.

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So once you know it, you know that's the only

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way out is to know it and know that the

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demiurge and the Arkans that this world that we're in,

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that they've constructed, this three dimensional world, is theirs, right,

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But we are not of it. We are of the monad,

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so we have to find our way out, right. So

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once you because if you fight it, if you fight

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the demiurge, that's what he wants. He wants you to fight.

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He wants the loos he feeds on that, he feeds on,

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the negativity, he feeds on, the the constant fighting, that's

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what he wants. But if you realize that he doesn't matter,

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and that none of what he does matters, and that

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you aren't of it, and you can find your way out.

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So but I think that's part of the game, is

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to find our way out of the system. And like

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I had said earlier, you know, Stella had told me

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that I had found my way outside the system before

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I broke the rules before and she told me that

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whoever is in charge of this simulation this place has

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put safeguards into it because of things that I've done.

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So I think that that's why they're they're following me,

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not because of you know, me being some important thing

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that's going to change things, or it's because I've done

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things that they don't like that I've done. So she's

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more like a interdimensional parole officer. That's how I look

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at it, you know, keeping me out of trouble, making

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sure I'm not going to open the doors that I'm

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not supposed to.

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Speaker 5: This is just like that film, what was it, Jim

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Carrey film? One word? He's in like a.

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Speaker 1: TV show, Oh, the Truman Show.

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Speaker 5: That's it, The Truman Show where he finally opens up

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that door to the studio.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're all like that. It's everybody's like that.

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It's everybody is creating their own reality for themselves. So

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it's everybody's figuring their own way out as far as

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I know. I mean, that's my working hypothesis, is that

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we're all trying to find our way out.

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Speaker 1: Now, what's really going on? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, it could be that it's just a

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like an AI program that's using us as virtual machines

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to train the AI program.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's no different than you know.

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Speaker 4: What the AI modelers are doing now. They do the

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same thing, like they they run the virtual simulation before

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they have the real world robot with the AI in

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it to do the said task. So they do it

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a certain amount of times before it learns how to

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do it. But it's all virtually before it does it physically,

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so it could be doing the same thing. So because

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it doesn't make sense, It's like, how many times do

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you have to experience being born?

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Speaker 1: How many billion?

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Speaker 4: There's billions of people in the world. Do you think

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that you wouldn't have to know after the first billion times? So,

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but the same could be said for any other action.

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So really, what is it after? It would be after

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whatever novel experiences that you have. Anything new, it would

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be after that. And the only way that you can

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get to the new is by new combinations. You combine

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things that you weren't normally combining before to get to

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said thing.

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Speaker 5: So pretty deep, jay as certainly loads to unpack.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, that's where my mind is. I'm not

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the smartest person in the world. I mean, I didn't

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even go to college. I just caught up in real

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world stuff, you know. I mean, and I'm just I'm

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an average guy trying to understand what's going on.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that those wookies man or whatever. Like

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I've heard one other person talking about them. It was

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one of the military guys, the older fellow kind of stout.

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In fact, I can't remember his name, but he's only

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ever mentioned it once that they're they're there. But I

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can't help but think that, you know, instead of being

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the wookies, maybe there's a connection between them and the Bigfoot.

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Because if if they're doing genetic manipulation right, and they're

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they're doing whatever they're doing, I mean, they could also

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have the DNA for these these other beings, these the Sasquatch,

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and then do whatever to make the things that they have,

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So I mean they could be their product. I mean,

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humanity could be their product. I mean if you look

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at the stories of the Onunaki, you know, and the

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watchers coming down and doing what they're doing. I mean,

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like I said, I looked into the Sumerian thing too,

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but it was only after that I heard that name

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in my mind which led me down that path.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear it before that.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, there may be something to this Sumerian myth,

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and you know, maybe they're describing something outside of the

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system that we're in now. I mean, it may not

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be that it was here physically. I mean, it could

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be somewhere else. I don't think it's what we think

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it is, So what mainstream people think it is. I

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think they're content with letting us think that it's that

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as a form of misdirection.

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Speaker 5: Easier to absorb, isn't it. It's a really complex subject.

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People have so many experiences and different experiences, subjective experiences.

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It's like a big onion.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: The way that it all fits is that it's all consciousness.

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Consciousness is fundamental. Everything starts as a thought, so you know,

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even you know, lifting your hand up. I mean there's

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electrical signals that come from the brain, but where does

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the brain get the thought to do that, to send

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the signal? Right, So it's all about consciousness. So ultimately,

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if we are all part of source, right, and we're

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all we are of source, and we have some limited

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ability that source has, like if we're just fractals of it,

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we may be just a diminished version of it, you know,

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trying to evolve and become because like I was saying earlier,

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like we could be the way like consciousness, right, could

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be pro creating. It could be like was it mitosis

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or is it cellular division?

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Speaker 1: Where it divides itself.

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Speaker 4: So it's just it's dividing itself right into these these

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different vessels and then those different vessels or the end

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the consciousness in those vessels goes through this journey of

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growth to get to the point to where it can

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be what the original was, and then it continues on

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and does it again. So who knows how many source

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consciousnesses there are. That's why I said, if it's like

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a mirror in front of another mirror, I mean, it

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could be infinite for all we know. It could be finite,

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or it could be infinite how many consciousness.

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Speaker 1: They may have all come from one. There may be an.

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Speaker 4: Ultimate source consciousness, but that doesn't mean that whatever is

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creating this reality is the source consciousness.

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Speaker 5: You must wreck your head sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I get bored.

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Speaker 5: Rake and dirt, great stuff, Jay, Okay, Jay, I really

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appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yep, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: You're more than welcome. It's great to meet you. Okay,

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take care of yourself and we will speak soon. All right, bye,

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thank you bye for now. Well, that is all for

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this episode. Keep updated and connected with a show on x,

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you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email

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my website, UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank

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you to Jay for sharing tonight, and thank you all

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for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,

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stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye, s