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PW torch dot com slash 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:26,799 go VIP. 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,799 Speaker 2: Hello wrestling fans. You're listening to Wrestling Coast to Coast 29 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:43,640 for a Wrestling Torch dailycast focusing on independent wrestling. I'm 30 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:46,920 Chris Maitland, and joining this adventure is the Man, the Myth, 31 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:50,319 The McClelland Justin mccollan, Justin, how are you doing today? 32 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:56,799 Speaker 3: I'm doing okay, Chris, tired, but I'm I'm ready to 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 go here, ready to talk some indie wrestling. 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ready to go to as typical for me, 35 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:09,280 watching some sports while we record or just before we record. 36 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:12,960 And of course my beloved at New York Red Bulls 37 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:15,759 MLS is back and the Red Bulls are back losing 38 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:25,639 as they lost to the Philadelphia Union, which was unfortunate 39 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:32,639 for me, but you know, obviously had a big break 40 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:36,199 for soccer for the World Cup. MLS took a two 41 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,080 month break there. Back. Pro wrestling never really takes a break. 42 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:43,879 It's a long sport, and independent wrestling dosn't take a 43 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:46,120 break either, and so why Justin and I have a 44 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:49,280 different show to cover for you all every week and 45 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:53,879 we even have a connection between independent and wrestling and 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,080 one of the biggest shows of the year. We've had 47 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:04,000 a few social media goals of various wrestlers announcing that 48 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,759 they are getting tryouts the WWE over Summer Slam weekend. 49 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:13,759 Some notable ones that we've covered here quite simply on 50 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,840 our show. Josh Bishop, j Rod Tyles, Alexander Ox Adams, 51 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,479 Bobby Cassal, and Cody Lane just a few of the 52 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,840 people that we've covered, and we're going to try to 53 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,360 get an extensive list, hopefully either next week or maybe 54 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,840 after the fact might be easier to go through some 55 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:34,919 of those names. But justin what are your thoughts on 56 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,919 really the fact that we they used to have trials 57 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:41,000 with people that were kind of in private. Now they're 58 00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:45,199 publicly having people tweet out their names and ww logos 59 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,879 for tryouts. What are your what are your thoughts on that? 60 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,439 And what is the show of a connection between w 61 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:52,240 W and the independent scene. 62 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: No. No, to me, it's a bit of a gamble. It's 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,280 nothing like anybody is doing wrong. But I do think 64 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,280 let's say you do it a try out and then 65 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:08,159 like you're like, nothing goes further. Then I do think 66 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:11,560 there's fair or not fair, a little bit of an 67 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,800 unfortunate stigma there that people are like, well, that guy, 68 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:20,000 he's never gonna make it. They you know, And I 69 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,040 don't know, maybe that is too pessimistic of me, or 70 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,319 maybe just maybe it's I think it it is like 71 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,439 maybe it's just a risk you have to take. But 72 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,920 I think there's something more special about not knowing people 73 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:38,519 tryouts and then you get that kind of the element 74 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,600 of surprise if they get like a WWE I D 75 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:45,360 contractor or they magically show up on Evolved. So from 76 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:48,720 like I think a creative standpoint, it's it's it's fun 77 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:53,759 to be surprised like that. I suppose maybe for business 78 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,720 it's it's a good way to get booked, to be like, well, 79 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:59,079 ww at least wanted to check me out, and certainly 80 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:01,240 that means you should want book me for your for 81 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,959 your show. So I've talked myself into it. I guess 82 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,600 I don't think it's too bad. 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I don't think it hurts anyone to 84 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:17,199 state that you have WWE has interested in you. I 85 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,319 think that actually would be very helpful for people for 86 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:25,680 that to be known. So from that standpoint, I think, 87 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:33,079 excuse me, that's a positive. Obviously WWE's requesting that they 88 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,560 do this. I don't because it used to be the 89 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,600 interviews were or the sord the tryouts were in private. 90 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:41,839 People that know about it. Now they're yeh, w. 91 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,639 Speaker 3: W I'm sure has has all the leverage in this situation. 92 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're people are tweeting it out, tweeting it out 93 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,959 in advance to get people that people know about it. 94 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,480 But also I guess it shows that the the w 95 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,720 W is interested. I mean, obviously they have the IV 96 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,000 program and we don't know where all these people will go. 97 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:10,040 But it's it's very clear that w w wants to 98 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:15,680 show to their fans that you know, there is an 99 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,720 interest here. We are interested independent wrestling. We are interested 100 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:22,839 you know, independent wrestlers too. You know, keep working at it, 101 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,399 you might you might make it one day to the WWE. 102 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,360 So yeah, I think from that standpoint, it can't hurt 103 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,879 too to have people know about this. I mean a 104 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:40,439 lot of people have tryouts and we don't know what happens. 105 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:45,120 So it's a very possibility that we will We'll never 106 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,600 know what happens to some of these folks. Obviously if 107 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:49,839 they don't get signed, we will know how it also 108 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:52,360 went from that perspective, but yeah, I don't think it. 109 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,720 I don't think it hurts their marketability to at least 110 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:57,560 have it publicly known that WW is interested in. 111 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: So of the names you listed, who would you say 112 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,160 has probably in your mind the best chance of getting 113 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,720 a WW contract of the sort like a w W 114 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,839 I G or yeah, like a w W ID contract. 115 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:17,199 Speaker 2: The names I've listed, and there's some other names that 116 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:21,720 you know, we can maybe look into later. As I said, 117 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:24,199 authors we get confirmed. Actually, the person I think that's 118 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:28,199 most likely is uh is j Rod because God was 119 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,399 on American Gladiators. 120 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:33,639 Speaker 3: That's true. 121 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: Not that j Rod isn't talented at you know. I 122 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:41,920 saw j Rod Wreussell at the j c W show 123 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,560 I went to in May. It was yes, so, but 124 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:52,800 I think because of her, her her look, her a 125 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,199 little bit of a notoriety for being on the show, 126 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:58,759 and I think w has done a pretty good job 127 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,079 scouting women. For the most part, I see she stands 128 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,040 out to me the most, though you know, some other 129 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,600 people there I could see as well. But if I 130 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,759 had to pick one person off the list to be her. 131 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: I would pick Joshua Bishop. I think he's got you know, 132 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,480 they still like size. It's not as you know, hard 133 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:21,439 and fast, set and stone as it used to be, 134 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,240 but he is. He's a large individual. He's a good 135 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,480 enough worker, and he's got a lot of charisma, and 136 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,759 he's very inventive. It's his promos and his kind of 137 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,759 weird math facts he likes to bring out. So I 138 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,399 think there's a lot to work with there, So he 139 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,240 would be my pick. 140 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:45,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, and josh Bishop is someone that I like quite 141 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:47,960 a bit seeing him. We actually seen him on the 142 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Indies at least once twice. 143 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: Something Yeah live. 144 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: I saw that Slam Aversary in that very odd fourth 145 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,320 throat match where he teamed silafat and and Edzo, which 146 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,000 didn't really go anywhere. But yeah, I think he's another candidate. 147 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:10,960 I think he's currently in MLW. I think though again, 148 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,120 I think for anything, especially some of these wrestlers where 149 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:20,200 they are wrestling. It shows that WWE is they're keeping 150 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:25,559 aware of what's going on. They're not, you know, blissfully 151 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,840 keeping away from the independence. Did we sure? Did we 152 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:32,799 see Cody Lane? We saw Cody Lane at war didn't 153 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:34,159 we that Warrior? Yeah? 154 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: We saw him in Cincinnati. Yeah, so I think twice 155 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:37,879 we saw him. 156 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: Yes, we saw him against Brian Cage and we saw 157 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:45,519 him against Sam Beale. 158 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: Yes. 159 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,919 Speaker 2: So yeah. I mean it's you know, for someone for 160 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,679 folks that look like us to do this show and 161 00:09:53,799 --> 00:09:59,279 are always looking for that connection with you know, the 162 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,840 wrestlers we watch and going on to be televised, you know, 163 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:06,000 wrestler on TV. 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I mean, we saw him on video 190 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:27,240 like his rookie year in Black in the Black Label Pro, 191 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,840 so he's come a long way. 192 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll try to get a more exhaust exhaustive 193 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,399 list next week or the week after. Sometimes these lists 194 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:44,559 and completion go to or you'll know all the people 195 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,279 on it when the after trials concluded, So we shall 196 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,639 see and you see people pop up on NXT who 197 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,440 are from tryouts that happened recently, so we'll keep an 198 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,639 eye out for that. This week's show, Justin and I 199 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,360 are going to do is game change your wrestling. I 200 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,879 don't have a good segue life of Blah boss. I'm sorry, 201 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,000 I don't have a good segue. I think about you know, 202 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,519 as most of you know who've done the show, who 203 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,639 listen to our show quite regularly, know that I like 204 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,559 to do a summary kind of how I feel about 205 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,639 the show at the end, and sometimes our conversation helps 206 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,960 shape that for me. I don't write out my full 207 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,480 notes for that until we actually go through the discussion, 208 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,480 but I will say at the beginning I maybe just 209 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:31,799 for various other reasons, but not a fan of the 210 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,960 show overall. I'll start off by saying that I'll get 211 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,799 to why when we conclude, but I was not a 212 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,919 big fan of the show. The show was available on 213 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,120 Triller TV and it took place July eighteenth, twenty twenty 214 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,759 sixth from Dallas, Texas. Your commentated from Gillies, which I 215 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:55,840 think I watched, Yeah, we have been a kid. 216 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:02,519 Speaker 3: Yes, Wrestling thirty two Evolve was there, right, was there? Geez? 217 00:13:02,519 --> 00:13:04,519 There was like a big match that I've already forgotten. 218 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: I think it was lost Prey wrestled. 219 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,519 Speaker 3: Chet Ricochet. 220 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:11,759 Speaker 2: That's when after that was one of the matches they 221 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:18,399 had after the whole New Japan Super Junior's conversation. 222 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I asked hers to remember. Drew McIntire did an 223 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,879 angle where he was mad like Johnny Gargana was going 224 00:13:27,919 --> 00:13:28,200 to n. 225 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: X T basically and yeah. 226 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:35,879 Speaker 3: And then like six and then the next Treslvania he 227 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,360 missed like he had to like to do an injury 228 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:42,639 angle at like an Evolved show so he could go 229 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:43,759 appear on an XT. 230 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: He wrestled the opening match, So yeah, yeah, I won't 231 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,399 do saying Johnny, I'm trying to save you. I won't 232 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:52,279 do Scottish I think he did. 233 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: He did a variation. 234 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was so mad at him that he 235 00:13:57,159 --> 00:14:02,600 followed the n XT. Yes, So the show began with 236 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:06,840 highlights from last week's Melee and Manchester actually had two 237 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,639 matches that we covered for VIP the opening Those matches, 238 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,000 by the way, were busting the brain, defending the GCW 239 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:21,879 Tag Team titles against Starstruck and Richard Holliday versus Bear Bronson, 240 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:24,519 where Richard Holliday, after losing the match, left his boots 241 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,039 in the ring. People thinking he won't being the Independence 242 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,279 much longer. He had a w trout earlier in the year, 243 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,840 just throwing that out there. The opening match was a 244 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,000 scramble and the rests were already in the ring, and 245 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:43,320 those wrestlers were Gavin ash, Phil Shark, Salmstretta, Vin Parker, 246 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:45,039 King Carter, and Bobby Flacco. 247 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: Bobby Flaker was if I can cut you off, yes, distriterate. 248 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:51,519 They were already in the ring. We didn't have to 249 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:54,759 waste ten minutes watching them all come out. That was great. 250 00:14:55,039 --> 00:15:00,279 Speaker 2: Yes, the last GCW show we went to, I guess 251 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,279 it's a year ago, almost six months ago, they did 252 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,320 the same thing. They had everyone kind of coming out 253 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,799 right before they started the feed, and then when the 254 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:14,720 feed started they introduced everyone. So I did save time. 255 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:15,879 So we appreciate that. 256 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: From see, I don't actually mind it as much if 257 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,879 it's the first match, because it's just like the show 258 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:24,679 starts like I don't there's no flow to kill yet 259 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,240 of the show. It bugs me more if it's like 260 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,279 like a like second or third and you'd like the 261 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:32,759 show just stops for ten minutes so all these guys 262 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:36,559 can come out. So ironically, this would have been a 263 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:38,879 time I would have been okay with like six guys 264 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:40,679 coming out, but I did want to make mention. I 265 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:42,879 usually complained about that, and here they were just all 266 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:43,320 in the ring. 267 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,759 Speaker 2: So this match, Bobby Flaka was the last person introduced. 268 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:53,159 He had a missile drop kick off the top rope 269 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,240 and that's how the match started. Reokay with that? 270 00:15:57,399 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: Uh, I mean yes, because it's like a scramble And yeah, 271 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:03,720 I mean. 272 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,759 Speaker 2: I feel scramble matches I end up ended up describing 273 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:11,639 the same way everyone does. A bunch of moves, a 274 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:14,600 bunch of people end up on the outside. And this match, 275 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,399 Carter uh did a dive onto everyone on the outside. 276 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:23,279 Then Flacco hit a double stomp onto everyone on the outside. 277 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,600 Of course, after that, Ash hit the shooting star press 278 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:30,639 onto everyone. So sometimes you get two three moves on 279 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:35,399 the outside. We got three here. Then finally get everybody 280 00:16:35,399 --> 00:16:38,000 in the ring and Ash hit a shooting star press 281 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,120 onto Parker for the wind. So scramble match, you know, 282 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:45,039 it's a good way to open the show, and Gavin 283 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,559 Ash is your winner in nine minutes and twenty five seconds. 284 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: Did you think going in that Bobby Flacco is going 285 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:51,399 to win? 286 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: I thought when I looked at who was there, because 287 00:16:57,159 --> 00:16:59,200 he's the person I know the most. But then I 288 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:06,559 also realized is that he when he did that opening spot, 289 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,000 I was like, he's probably not win. 290 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,279 Speaker 3: See oh I just assume I thought he was, because 291 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,759 like he is the guy we know the most, but 292 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:17,920 he's like he's wrestled, you know, internationally. I felt to me, 293 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,119 it's like it's like he's like a known entity and 294 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:26,880 it's like a bunch of very green guys. Otherwise I'll 295 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,200 say to be polite, So yeah, I was. I was 296 00:17:31,319 --> 00:17:34,240 very surprised he did not get the win. Although he's 297 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,920 not like a known entity in GCW, he's just I mean, 298 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,880 he's big in Action Wrestling. That's where we really know 299 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,160 him from and probably you know, some other Southeastern promotions. 300 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: But I don't know if. 301 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: He's ever been in GCW before. Yeah before, Oh okay, 302 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:02,640 well there you go. I I don't know. So, like 303 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:04,920 so like it was hard to get a reading because 304 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,079 there's so many guys. I actually thought like Vin Parker 305 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,920 is probably I thought he showed a lot of potential. 306 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,880 He has a good look and kind of good like 307 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:24,200 heal charisma. He not like the highlight for him of 308 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,119 the match. But Phil the Shark is or he's actually 309 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,599 Phil Shark, excuse me. He wears a shark's head, appears 310 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:37,720 to actually, you know, believe he is a shark. At 311 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,519 one point, Vin ripped the head off and Phil flopped 312 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:43,319 around like a fish out of water, which sounds dumb, 313 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,279 but drew the biggest heat of the match. Up until 314 00:18:46,279 --> 00:18:53,559 that point, there was a very like out of nowhere, 315 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:56,759 a dumb spot. At some point, Bobby Flacco just opted 316 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:59,039 to try to do a color on the ref, and 317 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:01,319 the ref reversed and gave him a Flacco or gave 318 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,720 him a cutter without any explanation why, and then Flacco 319 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,839 was fine, like thirty seconds later anyway. So well, overall, 320 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,279 the match was better than I thought it would be. 321 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:18,519 Like like I said, I thought Vin Parker was pretty impressive. 322 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,960 I thought Sugar Shane Carter, Sugar, Yeah, Sugar Cane Carter 323 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,759 was also pretty exciting. Who was at the Winter Ash. 324 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,799 I thought he looked good too, But you know, I like, 325 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,119 I really did expect Flacco to do more, and I 326 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,799 don't know, the dumb rest spot was just such an 327 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:36,440 albatross hanging over the whole thing. 328 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if the reason why I didn't 329 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,319 look up where Ash was from. I don't know if 330 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:50,039 he's from Texas and that's not who he won. But 331 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,759 that was a pretty good act. I mean. The problem 332 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:55,079 with these scramble matches are it's kind of again a 333 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,319 way to get people on the show. A lot of 334 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:00,640 people on the show are green, so it's sort of 335 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:06,759 like very basic for them, and it's funny. Not a 336 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:10,000 big not a big scramble match fan normally, but it 337 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,519 definitely was one of the highlights of this show for 338 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:15,319 various reasons. 339 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 4: On Tuesday nights, the conversation doesn't stop when nxtends, it's 340 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,039 just getting started. I'm Nate Lindberg, and alongside my co 341 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,440 host Kelly Wells, we bring you PWT Talks NXT. We 342 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,920 go live on the PW Torch YouTube channel about fifteen 343 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,960 minutes after the show to break down matches, storylines, and surprises, 344 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,240 and we take your questions and comments from the live chat. 345 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:35,880 Miss us live, but you still want to be part 346 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,519 of the show. Send your thoughts to pw torch nxtatgmail 347 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:40,839 dot com and catch the replay on YouTube or on 348 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,559 the pw torch Daily cast feed. Just search pw Torch 349 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:46,160 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen, and of 350 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,599 course you can always stream the latest shows at pw 351 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,599 torch dot com. 352 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: Next, we had highlights from Virprus versus Slade from Hartford. 353 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:08,319 Last week. Virprss won after putting a cinder block in 354 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,519 her shirt. So when Slade spiritter he knocked himself out, 355 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:14,680 she hit a pile driver on him on more cinder blocks, 356 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:17,599 which I feel like that would really that would kill you, right. 357 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not like the most that would kill 358 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:28,759 you a moment of the show, so it's probably I 359 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:31,240 mean it's top three, so yes, yeah. 360 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: Out of the match, she was attacked by Van Doll 361 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:40,759 forty eight, who we should like, right because they're from Ohio. 362 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:41,960 Actually we like them. 363 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, I mean I don't know because I mean 364 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:52,160 they'res specifically from Cleveland obviously Cincinnati and Cleveland. I'm in this, 365 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:56,119 I'm in Dayton, but Dayton's just kind of like very 366 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,400 close to Cincinnati, so especially football wise, Cinc Anni Cleveland 367 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,880 do not get along. Poor Columbus Cott in the middle somewhere, 368 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,000 forced to like root for a football or a college 369 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,480 football team, so they don't have to take. 370 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: Sides, not all of us. 371 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,079 Speaker 3: I mean, I do like Vandal forty eight because they 372 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,720 you know, they never stooped so low as to wear 373 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:24,480 Ohio State jerseys. 374 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: They did. Well, we'll get to that. They no, But 375 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,799 I have a question that relates to something, but we'll 376 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,559 It happened later in the show, so I'll get there anyway. 377 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,559 But Viprus will saying they have they had her tied 378 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:41,839 up in the ropes, They're going to hit her with 379 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,960 light tubes and but they were saved. But she was 380 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,079 saved by Savagenomes and Anakin Murphy. Then a clip of 381 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,119 was shown an earlier day with vipers walking into the arena. 382 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,920 She was attacked by someone in a mask who did 383 00:22:55,039 --> 00:23:00,839 a Tanya Harding. Oh, I did Nancy Carrion so right, 384 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,440 because technically we didn't know at the time it was 385 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960 Tanya Hearten. It's Nancy Karrigan is more accurate, justin. 386 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 3: Well and Nancy Nancy Carrigan was the one with the injured. 387 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,039 Speaker 2: Knee, right, that's true. That's better, But I. 388 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,839 Speaker 3: Mean it's the same basic frame of refer. 389 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: The younger younger listening. So longer younger listeners don't remember 390 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,680 the nineteen ninety four Winter Olympics. Do you want to 391 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,359 inform them? Why are you reference someone getting hit with 392 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,880 the nee to be a Nancy Carrigan. 393 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: Well, as it turns out, Nancy Kerrigan. There were two 394 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:35,319 US Olympic skaters heavily favored, Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya Harding. 395 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:43,000 Nancy Carrigan was kind of like the Golden Child. Tanya 396 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,720 Harding had a somewhat less distinguished background, and her husband 397 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,759 had the bright idea to hire a hitman to strike 398 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,720 Tanya or strike excuse me, strike Nancy in the knee 399 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,359 of the pipe so she could not compete. It was 400 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,960 like an angle straight out of wrestling. 401 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the problem is that people found out and 402 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,400 Tanya Harding was kicked out. 403 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: I believe eventually she did compete in the Olympics, But 404 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:14,640 ultimately I. 405 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: Was did she compete in the Olympics. 406 00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:18,039 Speaker 3: He didn't compete in the Olympics. 407 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, but she didn't. I mean, Nancy Kerrigan won the 408 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:22,640 silver medal. 409 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:24,519 Speaker 3: Correct, and Tanya. Tanya did not. 410 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,519 Speaker 2: Place Zaksana Bayoul. 411 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there's actually a really really interesting movie from 412 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,359 Tanya Harding's point of view around the last ten years, 413 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,839 called I Tanya with Margot Robbie. Was Tanya Harding? 414 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,799 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I never I never saw that. 415 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,559 Speaker 3: It's really good? 416 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: No was it was? It was Oscar movie, right. 417 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 3: I don't think it was Best Picture, but. 418 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:50,279 Speaker 2: She went on for Best Actress. 419 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: He was not named for Best Actress, and Alison Janey 420 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,680 one Best supporting actress is Tony Harding's mother, Ohio's own 421 00:24:58,759 --> 00:24:59,480 Alison Janney. 422 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: By the way, I learned recently that Beverly deangels from Columbus. 423 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know. 424 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: That. Just shows how much we hated the segment we're 425 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,319 going into. Yeah, just from Ohio. But anyway, back to 426 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,720 the show. So this mystery person was run off by 427 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,119 the savage gnomes. I learned that beare Brons wore glasses 428 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,000 because I fell out of his pocket as he went 429 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,559 to chase. I was very nervous because he stooped down 430 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,960 to like him, and Gabby Ford stooped down to help vipers, 431 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,400 and then he chased after the mask, and then these 432 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:47,640 glasses fell, and then thankfully he picked no one broke them. 433 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,240 When the referece came to help Viperson, he picked them 434 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,680 back up, so the glasses were we're not broken. 435 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: I do feel this is kind of like a swerve angle, 436 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:01,680 like everyone is assuming it's part of the vandal forty 437 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,799 eight who attacked her, but then it's going to be 438 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,720 someone else instead. 439 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:08,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be. 440 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: I mean, depending on who it is, you can't you 441 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:13,720 can't judge it yet. 442 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 443 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 3: If it turns out it's Gabby for is it, that 444 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,839 would be like terrible nonsensical. But if it's I don't know, 445 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,559 you know, someone else, of note, you could you could 446 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:26,119 make it work. 447 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. It was stated that Vibrus was taken to a 448 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,640 local medical facility, and the conders mentioned that the period 449 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,480 that Vibrus' schedule match of Christian Napier was in doubt. 450 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,799 The next match was for the GCW World title. Atticus 451 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,079 Kogar is the champion, defending against Emerson Jane. This match 452 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:59,200 made me uncomfortable. Cougar won in fourteen forty six after 453 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,319 a jobbing skul into Jane's head until she submitted. 454 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: Not a fan, Okay, I mean yes, I think you 455 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:13,839 have valid reasons to be uncomfortable, but so overlooking those 456 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,799 I first off, I was like, why is the world 457 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:21,160 title at second? That's really like weird to me. 458 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't. 459 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 3: I'm not like, I'm not in the camp. Your world 460 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,480 title has to close the show, and there's a very 461 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,799 good reason it didn't close the show tonight. But I 462 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,359 will say it's like seconds, like the worst spot, like 463 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,799 it just I think it's better to open the show 464 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,400 than to do it second. So it's just like GCW 465 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,559 SO is very weird about their title. Sometimes it matters, 466 00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,359 and sometimes they really treat it like an afterthought. 467 00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll get to that more in the end 468 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:49,799 of the summer. 469 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,279 Speaker 3: Well, I think right now. And one reason this show 470 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,880 is not good is it's fallen into the afterthought range 471 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,759 once again, and it's you know, say what you about 472 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,960 the world title, like it provides a focus to any 473 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,200 any like main title for a promotion provides like this 474 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,519 focus for a promotion. I remember when we one time 475 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,440 we did Women of Wrestling, they didn't have a title, 476 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,000 and it just all felt kind of like aimless, even 477 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,920 if it was like good wrestling. So I mean I 478 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,000 think that's it's always like the. 479 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: Goal is a goal is a template. It's something for 480 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,039 people to strive for. 481 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 3: Right and now it's just like right now, Kogar is 482 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,720 just out there. He's not really he's kind of like 483 00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:39,279 auxiliary to his brother's feud with with Viprous and just 484 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,400 kind of having random world title matches. 485 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: Everson. 486 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,559 Speaker 3: Jane, I don't think I've ever seen before. She was 487 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,839 built as the mother Teresa of work rate, which I 488 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,440 had no idea what that means. I've thought about it 489 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:58,119 all day, still not really sure. They Jane was actually 490 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,319 like I actually thought Emerson Jay was pretty good. 491 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:00,759 Speaker 2: She was. 492 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,319 Speaker 3: She is a person I could see he getting in 493 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,799 the tryout. She is Scottish by the way, she had 494 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:10,240 been trained by Joe Hendry. I'm like, she has a 495 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,400 good look. Honestly, it could be at least a mid 496 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,519 carter in a big promotion. 497 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 2: She gotta. 498 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,359 Speaker 3: They brawled outside, she gotta. She tried to do a dive, 499 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,319 but Cogard kicked the chair into her leg and did 500 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,920 like a lot of work on the leg. Good announcing 501 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,480 from Johnny Moseley. So Coguard like drape turned the middle 502 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,920 rope and he kicked her in the head and then 503 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,200 she had to like grab the top rope, so he 504 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,240 could like she had to grab the top rope, so 505 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:44,519 she's sort of like hanging in a seesaw, and then 506 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,759 he would jump off and lake drop her, which is 507 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,680 like ridiculous if you think about it for like two seconds. 508 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,079 But Mosley is like trying to explain the psychology. He's like, 509 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,680 you know, you're in that position. Your body's telling you 510 00:29:57,759 --> 00:29:59,799 not the fall, so you grab the ropes even though 511 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,880 gets you vulnerable. I was like, I like that explanation. 512 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,400 Good job. Johnny Kogar his thing, I've seen him. I've 513 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,319 seen Cogar live. Unfortunately, his thing is the skewers in 514 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,160 the head. And I did have like this funny visual 515 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,920 because he he wears coveralls and he's a he's got 516 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,480 to like just pulls out like stack after stack of skewers, 517 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,640 so I can only imagine him like loading up like 518 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,759 ten packs in the back and just like stuffing them 519 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:29,640 in his pants. And I was like, oh, man, what 520 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,359 if you want to do like shish kebobs for a cookout? 521 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,319 Right Texas? They like cookouts And you get to the 522 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,480 Kroger's like right after Atticus Kogar and they are out 523 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,920 of Skewers. How bad would you feel? 524 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was feel very upset. Yes, I just bought 525 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:46,640 one package and this has never happened before. I gotta 526 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,519 keep up with the GCW schedule. See when they're in town. 527 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:52,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're in Cincinnati in a few weeks, so. 528 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,319 Speaker 2: You better buy. 529 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,359 Speaker 3: I gotta look, Yeah, you better. 530 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: Buy him now. Don't even think about it. If you 531 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,319 think you want to have a shish kabab in two weeks. 532 00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:04,039 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, actually you're the one in trouble because 533 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,759 if he's from Cleveland, Columbus, like directly between Cleveland and Cincinnati, 534 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:13,160 so I can see him stopping in Columbus to grab some. 535 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just have to go hopping supermarket hopping for 536 00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:17,000 the skewers. 537 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:21,079 Speaker 1: Yes, you know that last segment you're just listening to 538 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,119 and the next one that you're waiting to listen to. 539 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,920 Those can be one second apart. 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The screen flashed this like QR 554 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,440 code and this message and said they can keep my 555 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,559 soul because God knows I don't need it anymore, which 556 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,480 distracted Cogar and everything else everyone else, So some kind 557 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,720 of mystery there. They tried. Everson tried to do this 558 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:32,720 tornado d DDT like off the I think I was 559 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,960 off a turnbuckle through the door bridge, but they pretty 560 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,920 much missed the bridge completely and splatted. So she made 561 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,960 up for it by just jumping off a chair and 562 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:46,400 driving him through the door with a double knee like 563 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,240 you said. Finally he got the submission with a camel clutch. 564 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:54,359 Jane looked, Okay, I am not a fan of Kogar. 565 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,680 With this tile Ring. We weren't high on it when 566 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,240 it happened, and that was like background on Thanksgiving. I think, 567 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,599 you know, I think I think he's okay as a 568 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,680 mid level heel, even like a heel who could like 569 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,640 work his way up to challenge for the belt. But 570 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,759 like as his like lengthy world champion. You know, it's 571 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,000 not working for me and I don't like, like I said, 572 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,880 like putting the world title match on second kind of 573 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,400 shows the lack of faith in him as champion in 574 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:24,960 my opinion. 575 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, he cuts probably better promos than you would think, 576 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,359 and that's helpful, but you know they don't really do that. 577 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,920 They didn't really do that on the show, so they 578 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,759 just had this match here on on second. 579 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,039 Speaker 3: Well that he has no one to really cut promos 580 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:43,119 on right now, there's no there's no like world title program. 581 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:52,559 Speaker 2: Yeah there is three. It's three on one against Viprus. 582 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 3: And he's not the one she's really mad at. 583 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: No highlights from kJ Orso and sam stadkows to feed 584 00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,480 the cowboy way through cheating becoming the Numble and tenders 585 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,279 to Facto for the GW tag titles and after the match, 586 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,000 or So in Stackhouse Challenge Buster in the brain for 587 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,800 said tag team titles. We will be covering that later 588 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,559 on in the show. The next match is Chris Carter 589 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,000 versus Leeds Lewis. I looked up Lee Lewis. Lee Lewis 590 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:17,960 is from France. We've seen him on quite a few 591 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,920 GCSW shows. Must be here for a few weeks in 592 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,840 the United States. 593 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw he was at that He was in 594 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,599 one of the six men at the July fourth Ballpark show. 595 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,559 So actually it was kind of impressed by him at 596 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,199 that time, so I was very interested to see him 597 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:35,880 in a singles match to see what he could do. 598 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,559 Speaker 2: They Carter did a dive on top of Lewis. They 599 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:44,800 end up getting back in the ring and Carter hit 600 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,400 a stunner took out both men. They got up and 601 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,280 traded strikes. Leeds hit a close line, short arm, closed 602 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,639 line and a moon salt. Then he hit a corkscrew 603 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,280 split legged moon salt to get the win. Leeds Lewis 604 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:05,360 has been impressive getting a single wins here over Chris Carter, 605 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,079 not the wide receiver from Ohio State and from the 606 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,360 Vikings in eight minutes and two seconds. 607 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 3: So the big problem to me was this match. They 608 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,920 put Alec Price on commentary, and he was just like 609 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,039 so over the top. It was like very distracting. I 610 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,400 think they put him on here just so we could 611 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,280 hear him say Chris Katta in his Boston accent. But 612 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,079 he's like screaming every screaming at the top of his lungs. 613 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,719 It felt like for the whole eight minutes he've almost 614 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,039 like trying to put Leeds over huge. He was likes, 615 00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:44,519 guys only had thirty matches and he's taken the world 616 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,320 by you know, taking the wrestling world by storm. But 617 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,880 it was just, I mean, it was very distracting to me. 618 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,840 It was the match was like okay, but also like, 619 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,519 if you consider it is with the guy who's only 620 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:01,599 had like thirty some matches, it was pretty good. Like 621 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,119 he's seemed pretty like like he's no great shakes yet, 622 00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,199 but I think for that number of matches he did 623 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:13,840 seem pretty advanced. He did a lot of like kind 624 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,119 of cool moves. At one point, though oddly he they're 625 00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,239 doing they he and Carter are going like a criss 626 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,039 cross back and forth, and Lewis just tries up Haley 627 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:26,639 kick but apparently had a signal cross because Carter was 628 00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:29,159 like in the Ropes, but it didn't look like he 629 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,760 was expecting and Leeds clear looked like he was expecting 630 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,280 to hit and just like splatted and they just kind 631 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,559 of looked at each other and got up. But then 632 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,320 they just went with it and finished whatever they were 633 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,360 trying to do. So, I mean, it's good to recover. 634 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,679 You know, we're all making we will all make mistakes, 635 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,559 and you know you shouldn't let perfect be the enemy 636 00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:50,320 of good. 637 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,639 Speaker 2: Next, highlights were shown from Melee in Manchester, where someone 638 00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,599 in a mask attacked Anak and Murphy and him only 639 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,480 it looked like it was a bramble match, and Charles 640 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,159 Mason ended up defeating Gabby Forzo the Tombstone. After the match, 641 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,719 Mason kept attacking Foza and Bren Bronson made the safe, 642 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,840 setting up their match at j c W's in our House, 643 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,840 which we'll be coming here, which we will be covering 644 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,320 here next week. 645 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 3: I am pumped. 646 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:25,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully we'll enjoy that show overall more than we 647 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,559 enjoyed this one. 648 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,159 Speaker 3: There was one match on here I was excited about 649 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:33,079 and it was I it was okay, but a little 650 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:35,239 that was the tag time, I mean the tag title match. 651 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,480 I actually thought they built the tag title match really well. 652 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,159 Speaker 2: Yes, so we you know, and I referenced this. I 653 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,519 referenced this one. I did the Last Row with Wade 654 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,599 and a lot of conversations about wrestling. But we sometimes 655 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:50,280 picked shows based on shows we watch and how matches 656 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,800 are promoted. Then we want to see the conclusion. So 657 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,119 I feel that tag match, well, how it went, we'll 658 00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:58,760 get to it. It was to lead to something else. 659 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 3: So yeah. 660 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 2: The next match was Cowboy Ways Tag Match one call 661 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,840 Manners and Thomas Shire versus Savage Gnomes, Bear Bronson and 662 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,960 Gabby Forza. Ah, this match became well it's gcw right, 663 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:20,639 so then doors became involved, right, Bronson got a door 664 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,119 into the ring, but then he got hit with the 665 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,840 spear through it. And I will one thing that you know, 666 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,519 Bar Bronson, I feel like a lot of his matches 667 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:35,079 he just starts. He just stops selling at some point. Yeah, 668 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:42,719 and yeah, it's become quite a bit they this, of course, 669 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,199 I don't know. In fear our concern or whatever, Cowboy 670 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,800 Way started hitting Amanders, sorry, started hitting Bronson with the 671 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:57,760 parts of the the door that were just broken into. 672 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,400 Manders hit a closed line on Bronson and Forsa then 673 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:12,280 hit strikes on Manders and Shire. Manders did a closed 674 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,559 line on Forza, but then she I guess like her 675 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:19,519 husband popped up and hit him with the spear and 676 00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:23,159 then hit Shire with the Samoan drop. Uh. Forza hit 677 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,960 a spear on Manders for a two count, but Shire 678 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,320 grabbed Forza. Manders hit a lariot but Forza kicked out, 679 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:35,320 and then Manders hit another lariat for the win. So, 680 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,719 Cowboy Way, were your winners in sixteen minutes and twenty 681 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,639 six seconds. After the match, Manders gave credit to Savage Milmes. 682 00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,360 They traded hats and then the cheers in the ring 683 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:48,920 non alcoholic for Thomas Shire, I guess he had a 684 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,760 diet cocos his request. The other three had beer. But 685 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,920 fun match. Cowboy Way your winners in sixteen minutes and 686 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,400 twenty six seconds. 687 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,159 Speaker 3: So it occurred to me that they should be They 688 00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,880 should do a six man tag with Gabby Forest and 689 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,440 Varre Bronson teaming with Brick Savage, and then they could 690 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,519 be the Savage Savage nomis. 691 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not about it, Double Savage. 692 00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 3: Double savage. Yes, if that if that matches out there. 693 00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,159 Speaker 2: R R two, they could be the number two, the 694 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,199 two Savage Homes two savage. 695 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, two savage. Oh that's good right anyway, if 696 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719 that matches out there, Torch Coast to Coast at gmail 697 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,280 dot com let us know. This was my favorite match 698 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,039 on the show. I thought it was pretty awesome. Actually 699 00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,000 it there's a lot of comedy, a lot of focus 700 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:48,079 on headwear. It's to start, which it might not be 701 00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:50,960 everyone's cup of tea. Uh. I mean it starts with 702 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,119 Floriza trying to put her no hats on the cowboys 703 00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,719 and they pretend to take them and then you know, 704 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,400 stomp on them, and so Bronz and slaps Manders to 705 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,960 me in like a hilariously indignant way, which it led 706 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,639 to the brawling read to the match, and there's something 707 00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:12,679 with the stuffed alligator that I didn't quite understand, but 708 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,800 once they finally got into the rig, this was an 709 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,679 awesome power match with all four like just throwing each 710 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:22,480 other around like crazy. Savage Nomes do this spot that 711 00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,199 will always like guarantee you get like a massive pop 712 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,960 and rightfully so. And it's when Gabby slams her husband 713 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:34,760 onto somebody. I like they have to do it like 714 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,320 every match, like it's just such like a perfect spot. 715 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,639 I can see why people go crazy for it at 716 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:47,960 what point? So at what point, like Shier gave Bear 717 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,920 a helicopter slam and he covered him and forced. The 718 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,039 solution to break up this pin was to slam Manders 719 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:59,199 on top of it, which got the massive pop. But 720 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,679 I mean, you see lots of like ridiculous ways people 721 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,480 break up pit and falls. I think to me, usually 722 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,800 the most ridiculous is a guy flying in with a swanton, 723 00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,679 which I think Jordan Oliver does an occasion to break 724 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,920 up a pin, but this might be even more so, 725 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,880 Like she could have just like pushed the guy off 726 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,239 or dropped an elbow, but she opted to slam a 727 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:27,000 large gentleman instead. Oh, they like there was lots of 728 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:33,360 like double down stuff. At one point, Bear and Shyre 729 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,400 clothes lined each other and Johnny Moseley equipped It seemed 730 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,840 to be the game plan for both of us to 731 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:46,280 run through their opponents' faces, which I really liked. So, 732 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,320 like I said, I mean, I guess I thought it 733 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,360 started there was too much focus on the headwear, but 734 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,320 when they got away from the comedy and did this 735 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,960 straight match, it was like a pretty awesome power exhibition. 736 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,119 And to me, I'm like Forza and Bear as this 737 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:03,880 married power couple is a tremendous act. Like you know, 738 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,840 I think they could take it to a lot of 739 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,480 indie like a big traveling attraction to indie shows. And 740 00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:14,440 to me, it's like TNA should snap her up. I think, 741 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,320 you know, it's we've seen like they don't always you know, 742 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,679 as they you can know a couple's married, they don't 743 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,559 always have to be involved in it in like each 744 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,679 other's business or feuds like you know, Seth Rollins and 745 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,760 Becky Lynch are a good example. Like you know, sometimes 746 00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,639 they enter each other's orbits and then they go off 747 00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,400 and do their own thing. But I mean, I think 748 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,679 Gabby for is it and Bear like doing this. I 749 00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,480 think we get over we get over huge And like 750 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,599 I said, I think Gabby. Gabby has really developed a 751 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,519 lot in the past couple of years. You know, she's 752 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,920 has this really dear in quality with the gnome hats 753 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,440 and just kind of like a cute demeanor. But then 754 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,760 also she does awesome powers off. You know, she throws 755 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:07,760 giants around with ease, including her husband. So I really 756 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,960 believe there's like a lot of untapped potential truthfully in 757 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,320 the Savage Noviies. 758 00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,639 Speaker 5: Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts, 759 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960 will come join me Alan frel Over in the Progress 760 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,559 Paradise at Peterboo Torch VIP as we mask on the 761 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,280 bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the 762 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,239 great matches and shows from around the world, be it 763 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,719 the US, Japan, Europe or Mexico. There's always a place 764 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,559 for wrestlings past in the Paradise too, and we've done 765 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,639 fun historical shows such as the We Love Liger series 766 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,880 celebrating the glorious career of Jusian Thunderliger and our eye 767 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,079 was there when shows where our guests will join me 768 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480 to talk about a classic bout that they were in 769 00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:53,079 attendance for. We love variety and you can expect lots 770 00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:56,559 of it at the Pro wrest Paradise. Detailed PWEF Torch 771 00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:59,960 VIP subscription information and a list of all the VIP 772 00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:04,159 benefits is available at pterwrew torch vip info dot com. 773 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,000 And yes, all vi P podcasts are compatible with popular 774 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,719 podcast apps on iPhone and Android devices, or you can 775 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,159 stream them directly from her ad free VIP mobile side 776 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:16,639 see you in the paradise. 777 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, she did appear. TNA is having a tournament for 778 00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:28,639 their inaugural women's TV title. She did appear in uh, 779 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,280 in the tournament opening match, So may see more for 780 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,199 their TNA needs. You know, they've they've had they need 781 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,960 to add a few of them to their women's division. 782 00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,760 So not the worst shout out. Uh, not the worst 783 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,320 thought there. 784 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 3: I mean she's a better worker than at least a 785 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,760 few of them that I can think of. 786 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:51,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, she's getting a decent buzz as well, 787 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,079 Like I can't hurt either. 788 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 789 00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:59,519 Speaker 2: Next, they showed highlights from Anakin Murphys Christian Napier in Hartford. 790 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:04,199 Otis Cougar Kogar interfear to give Napier the win, and 791 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,199 that leads us to what is our next schedule match, 792 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,039 Napier versus Vipress. Naprier comes out for the next match 793 00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:12,760 he's supposed to be against Viprus, who we know is injured, 794 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:17,519 and gets counted out. It did as a Scarlett Donovan 795 00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:20,360 was one of the referees who helped Vipers in the back, 796 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,480 so she would know that Vipress wasn't gonna come out. 797 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,199 But anyway, Napier. They count to ten, Viprus doesn't make it, 798 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,000 so Napier's declared the winner. He goes to leave, but 799 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,400 then he comes back and says that he would rather 800 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,039 be in Ohio than Texas. And then he does the 801 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,400 oh chant, which what I was gonna reference I referenced earlier. 802 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,000 That's that chant is beer than just Ohio state, that's 803 00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:48,239 the whole whole state of Ohio. Yes, yeah, you're sick 804 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,559 with such indignation. 805 00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 3: It is sometimes they do it when they land in 806 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,239 a plane lands. 807 00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:56,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. That that when I first moved here, and I 808 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,000 was like, is this what we have to do to 809 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,960 make sure we land safely? Only do it, but I 810 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,880 want to make sure we hit the tarmac all right now. 811 00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:07,199 Speaker 3: H Yeah. 812 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,559 Speaker 2: So Napier calls out an open challenge to anyone from 813 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,280 Dallas and outcomes Danny O'Brien. So we have Christian Napier 814 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:21,400 versus Dallan Danny o'ryanne nape Napier hit a hell of 815 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,159 a kick and angels wings for a two count. Orian 816 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,880 Uh went for a lethal injection, but nate Bier got 817 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,480 out of it and was able to get a pinfall 818 00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,480 or two count. Napier went for her coronta, but he 819 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:40,320 wasn't able to hit it, and then Orion hit sorry, 820 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,119 justin he had a crucifix. 821 00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 3: Driver, yes, which was awesome, very awesome. 822 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 2: And what does that lead to. 823 00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 3: I'm losing thunderbomb now. 824 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an exposed corner that earlier. Even though 825 00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,599 Arion hit this very impressive, very nice crucifer fixed driver 826 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,920 didn't stop him from being shoved into the corner that 827 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,960 exposed corner and he got hit with the orton. Sorry, 828 00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:14,119 Orian got hit with a shell shot DT for the 829 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,920 win by Napier. Christian Napier is your winner, because when 830 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,679 you do a crucifix you don't win. Kind of a 831 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,800 blue thunderbomb in nine minutes and forty one seconds. 832 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 3: Somebody did a blue thunderbomb earlier, I think in the scramble, 833 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,599 but I don't think. I don't think that person won, 834 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,679 but I don't think they pinned, So I don't know 835 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,679 how that goes for you. 836 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what the rules are with scramble matches. 837 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,440 I think the scramble there's just so many moves. 838 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was a hard match because it's like 839 00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:47,480 Oriyan like literally is a replacement. I don't think anybody 840 00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:51,000 expected him to win, so it was kind of an 841 00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,800 uphill battle. But I actually thought they had a good 842 00:48:54,239 --> 00:49:00,000 normal style match without the you know, usual fandal forty 843 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:05,119 eight garbage stuff like they just you know, like we said, 844 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,280 we had the awesome crucifix driver. It was decent back 845 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,159 and forth, you know, it was I think, really the 846 00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:14,639 first time I seen Napier away from that kind of 847 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,840 environment and he wasn't bad. 848 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, well more Yeah, I say that for 849 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,480 the end. Highlights from Usta in the brain defeating starts 850 00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:29,920 struck in Manchester, a matter covered from VIP as you 851 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,719 said earlier, and then they cut a promo on kJ 852 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,800 or So in sam stock House with one of the 853 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,960 most and I watched a lot of resting in my life, 854 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,639 probably one of the worst ending cashphrase I've ever heard, yes, 855 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,920 which was something you met with Sluss. You gotta swim, 856 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,840 doesn't he gotta swim with us? It's I don't even remember, 857 00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:56,559 You're gonna drown. 858 00:49:54,119 --> 00:50:01,320 Speaker 3: It doesn't even like people love alc Price because of 859 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,440 the exaggerated Boston accent, so it should be like because 860 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,239 you're a gobbage, you know, that's used to be his thing. 861 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:10,400 That's what people want from Alec Price. 862 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:18,639 Speaker 2: The next match is Joey Janella versus Brick Savage. Joey 863 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,760 Janella is on a losing streak. 864 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 3: I admit I was excited to see this. I've been 865 00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:28,519 We only see Brick infrequently because he mostly sticks to Texas, 866 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:31,199 but I always am excited when I do. 867 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:42,079 Speaker 2: Well. This mattress in Texas right exactly. Brick uh slammed 868 00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:45,800 Janella into a corner and then hit a kick. Joey 869 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,000 was able to counter that into a superplex, which had 870 00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:54,159 both men on the ground. Another dive on the outside, 871 00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:59,679 but Brick caught Janella and hit a spinebuster on the 872 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,480 side of the ring that looked very painful for me 873 00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:08,320 sitting at home. We had a Janella hit a tornado 874 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,239 two t on a on a chair for a two count, 875 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,280 and then a top rope stomp on a chair for 876 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:21,679 another two count, and then but Brick Savage able to 877 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,800 recover your death valley driver onto another chair and then 878 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,320 put Janella in a cobra clutch and Janella tapped out. 879 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,559 So Brick savages in Texas. He wins. Joey Janelle's on 880 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,719 a losing streak. He loses Brick Savage is your winner 881 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,440 in thirteen minutes and forty three seconds. 882 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,199 Speaker 3: I thought this was pretty good. Actually it's it was 883 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,199 I don't think it's the Joey Jenella and ask people 884 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:52,280 to expect, but it was actually a really good power 885 00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,440 and trying to fight from underneath. But at the same time, 886 00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:01,159 he's getting progressively more desperate, you know, to win's he's 887 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,679 given himself a rather foolish deadline to get a win 888 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,440 and now he's he's he's given himself the yips. You know, 889 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:11,119 he keeps making mistakes and can't get it done. So 890 00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:14,599 there's a lot, you know, story wise wise, there's a 891 00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,360 lot going on. As I said, I always enjoyed Brick Savage. 892 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,119 His name like goes all the way from being like 893 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,320 so ridiculous it actually becomes awesome again. Like it's just 894 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:31,400 like a very eighties way. And I think he's a 895 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,320 good power guy, Like you know, he does a lot 896 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,840 of like cool power stuff, you know, able to kind 897 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,239 of let Joey bounce off of him, and at the 898 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,320 end he's busted open, but Sandy victorious in a very 899 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,000 cool visual. 900 00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,679 Speaker 2: Highlights were shown of the next match, which is the 901 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,440 match we've mentioned a few times we're excited to see. 902 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,920 Which is for the GCW World Tag Team Championship. Busta 903 00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,559 and the Brain Jordan Oliver and Alex Price against kJ 904 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:09,840 Orso and Sam stack House. We hadn't had I don't 905 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:15,000 believe we had a ref bump prior did this match. No, 906 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,000 so we're gonna have one here. Price hit a frog 907 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,519 splash on or So and looked like that would be 908 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,639 the win for Busts on the Brain, but Sam Stackhouse 909 00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:27,639 pulled the referee from the ring and hit the referee, 910 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,400 which again it's very interesting, but what this leads to 911 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:40,000 because again the heels take out the referee. I still 912 00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:45,119 also hit the character assassination, which is their finisher on Oliver. 913 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,840 Looked like they were going to win. Of course there's 914 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,199 no ref and the lights went out. When the lights 915 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,559 went back on, Hook appeared, who Hook threw a chair 916 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,559 at Stackhouse and sup plex or So put Urso in 917 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:10,440 the rhetorum a busting the Brain through stackoffs off the 918 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,159 top off the turnbuckle onto or So and then pinned 919 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,519 or So for the win. So Busting the Brain won 920 00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:21,239 in seventeen minutes and thirteen seconds to retain the DCW 921 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,239 World typing titles best referenced earlier. This seems to be 922 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,760 more of a setup for a match between Hook and kJ. 923 00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:33,199 Speaker 1: Orson iPhone users. If you're listening to us on the 924 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,599 native podcast app on your iPhone, you can unlock our 925 00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:40,679 commercial free versions of our free shows. 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Enjoy a streamline listening 935 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,400 experience to our free shows and unlock all the VIP exclusives, 936 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,719 including our post pay per view roundtables, the way Keller 937 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,840 News bulletins, Everything with Rich and Wade, The Fix that 938 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,280 I host with Todd Martin, and a variety of other 939 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,159 VIP exclusives. Just search PW Torch in your Apple podcast app. 940 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is disappointing because, like you said, I was 941 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,639 really excited about for this match. To me, it felt 942 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:35,320 like naively in retrospect, it felt like time for busting 943 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,199 the brain to lose the belts. But they are their 944 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,800 aw contracted guys, so I think it is very politically 945 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,920 difficult for them to lose. I don't know exactly how 946 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,400 they'll get the belts off of them unless it's like 947 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,880 like some sort of triple threat situation where they don't 948 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,880 do the job. That's that's probably how they'll do it. 949 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,719 I'm a mixed mind too, because obviously I think, well, 950 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,679 obviously GCW is very heel heavy at the moment, and 951 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,599 I think you need like some heroes and you need 952 00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:20,159 like you don't need all your titles controlled by heels. 953 00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:23,280 But at the same time, I really feel like Also 954 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,400 and Stackhouse are a good team, and I think a 955 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,519 lot of ways this match I found myself thinking rooting 956 00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:36,599 for them to win the belts. For some reason, they 957 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,760 work really I think they at least according to storyline, 958 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,480 they're like they were legitimately friends. They refeuded like last 959 00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:47,199 year and Stackhouse or or so like mauled them in 960 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,599 an equip match and then threatened to murder his wife. 961 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,599 So of course they became a tag team after that. 962 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,480 It's things happened in wrestling. He and the wife actually 963 00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,119 made up prior to the match, which I you know, 964 00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:05,760 good continuity, But I mean they do like a what 965 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,920 point they had the spot where like they both did 966 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,639 like they speared like one of the Busters in the 967 00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:12,360 Brain in the corner and then they did this like 968 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,400 cheesy grin with a you know, resting their fists on 969 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,880 their chin or their chins on their fists, and I 970 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:26,760 was like, these guys are kind of amazing. So, I 971 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,000 I don't know, it's actually like until the end, the 972 00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,480 end is very overbooked, and like you said, it was 973 00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:34,559 really more of an angle to get to somewhere else. 974 00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,679 But I thought before that they were having a very 975 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,880 a very good match, and I don't know, hopefully we 976 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,880 will get back to them getting the belts somehow by 977 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,039 Hooker Crooks some way. 978 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we kind of anticipated it being a 979 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:57,280 match that or So in Stockhouse would win because we 980 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,760 we've seen Bust in the Brain be the champions for 981 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,760 all while we assume because they are signed to AW 982 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,280 they won't be around much longer. So in a lot 983 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,440 of ways, it was sort of like something different. Also, 984 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,559 you know, you changed the dynamic. You had a babyface 985 00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:14,480 team before, now you have a heel team, and who 986 00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,960 could maybe you know, maybe there's a feud with the 987 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,440 Savage Gnomes or or Cowboy Way, who are both babyface teams. Yeah, 988 00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:26,639 it seemed to be from a booking on paper, more 989 00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:33,679 options that way. Additionally, I guess mentally for us, it's 990 00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,159 like we we you know, as I said, we cover 991 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,679 shows and then we see a match and we're enthralled 992 00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,199 by it and we're that's kind of the main reason 993 00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:45,400 why we watched the show, and then we want that 994 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,400 to lead to some kind of conclusion, and then you 995 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,599 see that's really was a setup for another feud, and 996 00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:53,480 that I think mentally, at least for me, I won't 997 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,960 speak for you, that kind of like knocks it back 998 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,400 of it because you're kind of like, oh, I thought 999 00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,400 we were doing something else. 1000 00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Differently, the end was very deflating, like 1001 00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:05,039 it wasn't just like a clean finish, it was it's 1002 00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:08,679 really about orso in hook I guess. 1003 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume that's a match for Homecoming coming up 1004 00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:15,519 next one. It's my guess. 1005 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,559 Speaker 3: I think I think they announced Hook was appearing somewhere, 1006 00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:23,000 but I forget. I canna say it was at LA, 1007 00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:29,280 but maybe that one. He's scheduled next in GCW in 1008 00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,039 September in Los Angeles. 1009 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,719 Speaker 2: Yea, so maybe they do that match there the next match. 1010 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,239 So they went over the schedule for the next few 1011 00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:41,679 months of shows, and then we have our main event 1012 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,880 for the GCW Ultra Violent title, Otis Kogar versus you 1013 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,400 know Extreme O. This is a death match. I don't 1014 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,880 like death matches, and nothing like having a death match 1015 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,400 where people can run in as well, which of course 1016 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:03,760 happens when Van the four eight runs in viprus Vide. 1017 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,599 Those of you who were wondering if she would return, 1018 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,880 she does here to sort of make make the galleants say. 1019 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:16,280 She fights off Atticus, Kogar and Napier and you think 1020 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,519 this is gonna lope, but actually it doesn't because he 1021 01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:21,679 gets powered by my Otis Cooker anyway and loses. So 1022 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:25,880 Otis Coogar is your winner and retains the GCW Ultra 1023 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,400 Violent title. In fourteen minutes and thirty nine seconds after 1024 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,960 the match, Van of forty eight goes to beat up 1025 01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:38,920 Viprus Forza Bronson. The Savage Gnomes come out and they 1026 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,119 are attacked and taken out, and so they end up 1027 01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:45,960 tying vipruses Viprus to the ropes and hit her repeatedly 1028 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,480 with light tubes, something the Tea is doing in the 1029 01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:53,159 last show again, something that made me uncomfortable, and that's 1030 01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:56,679 how the show concluded. Adjusting what your thoughts on? What 1031 01:00:56,719 --> 01:00:58,199 were your thoughts on the last match? 1032 01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:03,079 Speaker 3: Is not a fan of this too, to the point 1033 01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:06,960 I would call it pretty bad and death matches and 1034 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,239 I have a weird relationship, but it just it has 1035 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,440 to be in the right mood, I think. But also 1036 01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,280 there are death some death matches are better than others. 1037 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,039 In this one, I don't think it was very good. 1038 01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:22,639 Nino Extremo, I think it's pretty cool name the wrestling 1039 01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:27,840 Wise Mosley said Nino is one of the hottest rising 1040 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,159 stars in independent wrestling. We watch a lot of independent wrestling. 1041 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,880 I've never seen the guy before, although I don't think 1042 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,320 we watched the circles he wrestles in based on what 1043 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,400 he does here. Also, like his back was already all 1044 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,239 taped up and like like obviously stitched up, so like, 1045 01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:50,559 I think he had a match the night before. I 1046 01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:53,280 don't think, you know, don't do multiple death matches in 1047 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,239 a row. I don't think anything good comes to that. 1048 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,119 You know, they start, they get with the goofy weapons. 1049 01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:04,679 At first, he has a thumbtack covered baseball bat that 1050 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,159 sounds impressive when he waxed cover with it. Then our old, 1051 01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:12,360 my old friend, the gusset plate comes back. I've not 1052 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,880 seen a gusset plate in a long time. At this point, 1053 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,119 I was like, this match is gonna be okay, and 1054 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,719 it was downhill from there. Unfortunately. You know, I don't 1055 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,960 know if he's a good wrestler, but that guy can scream. 1056 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:31,039 He is great. It's screaming and he got a big 1057 01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:32,920 chance because they did a lot of stuff to him. 1058 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:39,159 Otis then has like an actual like straight blade, I think, 1059 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,400 which this is the part I was like, took me 1060 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,320 out of it because gusset plates and light tubes and 1061 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:52,440 thumbtack bats are all like cartoonishly ridiculous weapons. The gusset 1062 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,440 plate less so but you know, you're like, okay, I 1063 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,000 don't know, they're so like over the top, like I 1064 01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:02,400 can't really too disturbed by it, but like he had 1065 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,840 like an actual knife. It's like, why you know he 1066 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:11,440 could cut this guy's throat. It's just I don't know 1067 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,320 it was that was the point. I was just over 1068 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,079 too over the top for me or not over the top, 1069 01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:23,519 I don't know it. It landed in the uncanny valley 1070 01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:28,480 of uncomfortableness for me, and then I don't know, it 1071 01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,400 just goes on. At least it was not as long 1072 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,519 as I feared. Like I've seen twenty five minute death 1073 01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:36,840 matches that just doesn't feel like they will ever end. 1074 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,840 This was under fifteen, but you know it was bad 1075 01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:45,000 and you know, indicative of a lot of like I 1076 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,880 think the biggest problems plaguing in GCW. Right now. 1077 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 6: Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn 1078 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,360 some wrestling history, don't miss the Knife Past cast Every 1079 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,719 Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast feed. Alex and 1080 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,039 Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by 1081 01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:10,840 taking you through the Torch issue from that very week. 1082 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 2: Follow news from. 1083 01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:15,519 Speaker 6: The WWF and WCW, and all the happenings from across 1084 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:18,760 the wrestling industry in real time as The Torch reported 1085 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,199 it thirty years ago. That's the nineties past cast every 1086 01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:24,679 Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast feed. 1087 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:40,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I welso this is GCW's Life of the Boss. 1088 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,800 It's available on shot or TV, so a couple of things. Honestly, 1089 01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:50,400 having that match the main event, it's you know, it's 1090 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,199 for some people. I'm not those people. I I'm someone 1091 01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:57,280 who when we started doing the show was not a 1092 01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,679 fan of intergender wrestling, and through doing the show, I've 1093 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:06,320 seen some instances where I've actually really enjoyed it, and 1094 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,320 some matches I've really enjoyed. These examples are not one 1095 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,920 of them because it seems more like violence towards women. 1096 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,159 I know the women are participating, they end up getting 1097 01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,000 their shots in, but yeah, it just makes me feel uncomfortable. 1098 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:25,199 For that reason. I I compared the Vandal forty eight 1099 01:05:25,239 --> 01:05:30,840 to the Death Riders in ACW. The in AEW For me, 1100 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,079 they've just liked because they're like part of the main event. 1101 01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:39,320 Few they've like taken everything down one. We were very 1102 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,760 surprised when Atticus Kogar has made the GCW Champion, and 1103 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,880 I don't know if he's the right person for that, 1104 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,039 especially when his matches are the second match on the show. 1105 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,239 He's in a feud where he's secondary and it's a 1106 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,760 three on one feud against Viprus and the whole purpose 1107 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,599 of it is to like hit her with life tubes. 1108 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:06,400 And it just it's just not something that I have 1109 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,639 a lot of interest in. And I know, as I 1110 01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:11,280 said before, we covered this match. We covered the show 1111 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,199 because we want to see the tag team Tyler match. 1112 01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:19,239 And I also enjoyed, you know, the other tag team 1113 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,840 match and Rick Savage versus Janella and some other stuff 1114 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,639 as well was at least decent. But I just can't 1115 01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:30,800 take those two matches away and not have them really 1116 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,079 cloud my entire vision of the overall show. I know 1117 01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:37,000 there is an audience that likes this stuff, and you know, 1118 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,960 I guess if it's legal, you know, what can I say? 1119 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,119 But I'm not part of that audience. And I just 1120 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,360 I think GCW has had at times things that have 1121 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,519 stood out that have been things that have a lot 1122 01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:55,800 of interest can provide our interests to other people. I 1123 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,039 just don't see how Banel forty eight and hitting everybody 1124 01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:04,159 with light tubes is really providing that. But that could 1125 01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:04,519 be wrong. 1126 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me, the big problems I think 1127 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:14,360 Vandal forty eight, they're too dominant, especially as a heel team. 1128 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:19,880 There's no strong force to stand up to them. You 1129 01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:24,559 have Vipress, but I mean one, I don't know why 1130 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,239 they're so mad at Vipress or she's so mad at them, 1131 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,800 and then you know, it just seems like she's good. 1132 01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:34,159 They just beat her up at every turn, and it's like, okay, well, 1133 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,239 you know the Savage Gnomes could stand up to them, 1134 01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:40,840 and they just got immediately taken out without much thought. 1135 01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:48,159 So it's just you know, who's there, like Joey, Like 1136 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:51,800 Joey Janelle is in his losing streak thing. Even if 1137 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,920 he is, you know, it's not even clear if he's 1138 01:07:53,960 --> 01:08:01,599 heal her face right now, there's just no direction. It 1139 01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:04,360 feels like other than just like Vandal forty eight beating 1140 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,920 everybody up, and so it's just it's it's too but 1141 01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:11,480 it's too much of a downer. It's no, it's no 1142 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:17,920 fun to me, Like I just they need like they 1143 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,439 need a strong babyface to stand up to them, I think. 1144 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:26,520 So I think, to me, that's the biggest problem. Like 1145 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,760 I said, I don't think Kogar works as your world champion. 1146 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,720 As unrelated but where's Efie he is? I realized he 1147 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:42,760 has not wrestled for GCW since WrestleMania weekend, so I googled. 1148 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,479 I had not seen like any signs of problems or anything, 1149 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,479 but he's still out there wrestling. And I mean he's 1150 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,279 kind of like one of their big faces. I don't know, 1151 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,680 like when I was never like the hugest Fie fan, 1152 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,000 but it just I think his absence is definitely being felt. 1153 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they need need something different. And you know, 1154 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,199 when when when Kolgar won the title, I thought they 1155 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,560 were gonna do something where it's like, Okay, we're gonna 1156 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:15,039 have him him have it on. There'll be some sort 1157 01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:21,159 of babyface challenger steppened, and I think they desperately need 1158 01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,479 someone to to be a counter and maybe that's someone 1159 01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,000 will help vipers, but it's actually also another heel running 1160 01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:30,600 around to who might cost trouble. So who knows gonna happen. 1161 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,239 But that show is available on Triller TV. UH Next 1162 01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:41,079 week on UH Wrestling Coast to Coast, Justin and I 1163 01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:43,640 will be covering the Fame Jersey Champions Wrestling show we 1164 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,880 talked about, also available on Triller TV. Call in Our House. 1165 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:51,520 It features Marcus Mathers versus Leeds Lewis Busting in the 1166 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,319 Brain defending the GCW Tag Team titles against Controlled Chaos. 1167 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,760 Rematch of a match we enjoyed a few weeks ago 1168 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,960 CPA versus Slade and and Charles Mason defending the jacub 1169 01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:07,199 You title against Bear Bronson. For our VIP listeners, we 1170 01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:11,079 will have what has become an annual tradition, which is 1171 01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:15,439 the Scenic City Invitational Tournament. The review our list of 1172 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,279 the final The final four were Isaiah Browner, Joseph Alexander, 1173 01:10:19,359 --> 01:10:22,359 Tyler Stevens and Big Dave. So we'll review that for 1174 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,479 our VIP listeners. 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