WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:21.839 Voices drift on winds untane, where it's like spells that 2 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:23.359 can't be made. 3 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:30.280 Close your eyes and feel the sound journey where. 4 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:32.000 No bounds are found. 5 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:40.520 Open doors inside your mind the ordinary form, because. 6 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:48.719 Color swirl and stars line in the mental mysteries you'll. 7 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.640 Find Welcome to meta mysteries where you don't know what 8 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:56.359 you don't know. My name is Jonathan, I'm shown, and 9 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.600 tonight is wonder Weisday Metal Live Show Tonight, Baby, So 10 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:02.439 get ready. 11 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:03.520 This is gonna be a good one. 12 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:06.000 This is going to be We actually have a great 13 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.840 guess lined up here never more aries. 14 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:10.359 Welcome to the show. 15 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.079 Thank you for having me so stoked. 16 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:17.000 About this conversation. We've been following your content on TikTok 17 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.560 for a while now. I don't even know when it started, 18 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.400 but every time I see one of your videos pop up, 19 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.280 I just I'm glued. I need to see all of 20 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.159 it because I just love learning all about you know, 21 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.799 the witchcraft and magic, and I think that it's dude, 22 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:34.560 I hate that it has such a stink to it 23 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.439 because I think that it's natural to everybody, and even 24 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:40.920 the people that don't know that they're doing it, they're 25 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:42.239 still doing it right. 26 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:47.400 Absolutely, Yeah, even accidentally, dude, that's something we just learned, 27 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.239 you know, and it actually just makes sense. You know, 28 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.120 if you're not pointing your mind or your magic or 29 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:55.640 your energy in the way that you actually would prefer, 30 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.239 and you're accidentally putting it on some bullshit, then of 31 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:00.920 course that's what you're going to manifest. 32 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:02.640 You're losing your energy. 33 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:04.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 34 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.200 So could you tell us maybe a little bit about 35 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.360 you how you got into this, as it's been something 36 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.759 that you've been kind of practicing your whole life, or 37 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:13.719 did you pick up on it later. 38 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:18.560 Well, I am actually I'm I'm lucky. I wasn't. I 39 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:22.840 didn't have to do any deconstructing from Christianity. I was 40 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:26.599 raised in a house with an excommunicated Catholic father and 41 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:30.759 a mother who was raised both Presbyterian and Catholic, and 42 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:32.759 she hated it. So there was no religion in my 43 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.159 house whatsoever. Nothing, And I was just really lucky that I, 44 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.439 you know, my parents let me explore things and then so, 45 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:44.759 you know, before the age of thirteen, we had some 46 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.319 weird witchy books in the house that I would always read, 47 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.080 and so I kind of got interested that way. But 48 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:54.520 around age thirteen is when I really got into practicing, 49 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.639 and when I got my first witchy book, and that 50 00:02:57.759 --> 00:02:59.039 was thirty years ago. 51 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:04.360 So wow, at age thirteen, that's that's a pretty interesting 52 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.719 number there to start there, you know what it is. 53 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.080 It's and I've talked about this on my channel before, 54 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.719 like it was when the movie The Craft came out 55 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:18.319 that people really bought in to it, you know, and 56 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.919 even though I'd been kind of dabbling in things before that, 57 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.039 because you know, my grandmother was a tarot card reader 58 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.719 and so I had kind of a beliefs around it. 59 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:32.120 But then, I mean, was it ninety seven the Craft 60 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.280 came out? Oh my gosh, I mean everybody just wanted 61 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.400 me and my three friends went to the witchy store, 62 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:41.000 we all got the witchy book, we all got these necklaces, 63 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.120 and thirty years later, I'm still the only one practicing. 64 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.960 They're all, you know, doing their own things now. But 65 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.120 so many people in that time became witches or it 66 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.080 became Wigan because of that movie. 67 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:57.520 So oh yeah, that seems to be uh just about 68 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.919 right too, because actually for Sean and I, both of us, 69 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:03.879 we didn't have to as you were saying, neither one 70 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.319 of us had to really go through that whole deconstruction 71 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.599 at all. And you know, it's not like my parents 72 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:14.400 were into any religion really, it was just we never 73 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:16.279 really talked about it. I think we went to church 74 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.279 twice my entire childhood, and that's only because their friends 75 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.560 invited us, and and both times we went it was 76 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:24.399 like it was cool, we get to hang out with 77 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.319 the other kids, and it wasn't too preachery or anything. 78 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:30.040 But yeah, it is that is that is such a 79 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:35.519 valuable important thing to not have to tear everything down, 80 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:37.240 you know what I mean. I feel like that is 81 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.240 that's you know, almost. 82 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.600 Prely curious, Like even though you weren't raised with religion, 83 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.680 did you try and understand Christianity at all? 84 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:48.240 Not really, not really. 85 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.240 Not until I was in like my mid twenties, I 86 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.800 tried to, you know, see what the whole thing was about. 87 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.639 And I went to church for like a year just 88 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.199 to try and see what the whole deal was, right, 89 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.800 And so I'm going to church this entire year, and 90 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.279 I'm like, all right, everybody's saying that this is the truth. 91 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.160 I need to figure it out for myself. I'm I've 92 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.639 always kind of I don't know, maybe it's stubbornness or whatever, 93 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:14.759 but I don't believe anybody else's word. I got to 94 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.680 experience it for myself, you know. And so I went 95 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:19.240 to go experience it for myself, and I was like, 96 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.480 oh my god, this stuff actually works. It's crazy, right, 97 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.439 And I was like, holy shit. And and most people, 98 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.480 I feel like, in that situation would just be like, well, 99 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.240 you know, I found it and and this is what 100 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:32.120 I'm just gonna stick with. 101 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.720 In my mind, I was like, all right, I see 102 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:36.439 that this works. 103 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.079 I need to see if everything else works now, because 104 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.240 if they're saying that this is the only thing that works, 105 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:43.879 it's the only true way, right, I gotta find out 106 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.360 what else is, what else is real, what else is fake? 107 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.000 And yeah, I never turned back because I found out 108 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:50.439 it's all. 109 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:51.600 Real, you know what I mean. 110 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.720 Yeah, So when you find out that you're the battery 111 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.199 that charges everything, you know, it's all you. 112 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.439 Yeah, yeah, it's. 113 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:02.160 It's pretty amazing in that way. 114 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.160 But just to get over the chat, Supermarket said, what 115 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:05.480 up everyone, Supermarket? 116 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:06.000 Good see you? 117 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:12.000 The White Boy Wizard said, good evening, you lovely fuckers. 118 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:13.279 Good to see you. Man. 119 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:19.199 Taylor said, what's up? Happy Wednesday? Supermarket, he said, so lucky. 120 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:21.800 I was at church twice every Sunday five years old 121 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:23.279 to about fifteen years. 122 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:27.800 Old, love of deconstruction going on there. Hated it, he said. 123 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:30.959 Taylor said, I tried Catholicism as a freshman in high 124 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.519 school and lasted maybe two years. Dude, I went to 125 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.160 I went to one Catholic Mass one time, and I 126 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:40.000 was like, this is the most cult shit I've ever 127 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.680 seen in my life, right, Like, have you ever been 128 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:43.680 to a Catholic Mass? 129 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:44.319 Tammy? 130 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.920 I have the funny Actually, so my family, my in 131 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:51.399 law is my husband there. They're all from Dublin, like 132 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.560 immigrated to Canada from Dublin, and so they're very like 133 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.279 you know, Roman Catholic, Irish. And when we got married, 134 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:02.199 they they would pay for our wedding if we got 135 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:05.360 married in the Catholic church, and I was like, sure, 136 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.759 why not? And I was so much more intense than 137 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.600 I expected, Like we had to go and meet with 138 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.600 the priest father Tobin, and I had to sign a 139 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.959 contract promising that we would raise our children Catholic. 140 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.000 And I'm just like, okay, that's kind of weird. Contract. 141 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:27.839 Yeah, they sent us to like an away weekend retreat 142 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:29.720 to where we had to stay in like what was 143 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.800 like a monastery kind of thing, in these like weird 144 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.720 little rooms that like a monk or something would stay in. 145 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:38.839 And we did go through all this like training and 146 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:40.560 all this stuff, and I'm thinking, my god, I don't 147 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.319 think a wedding is worth all of this. But they 148 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:46.800 ended up paying for the whole wedding and everything was fine. 149 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:50.079 And my children aren't Catholics, so I'm so sorry, Father Tobin, but. 150 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:52.920 The contract. 151 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.519 Yeah, so yeah, I've had I've had a lot of 152 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.199 experience in the Catholic church in my adult life. 153 00:07:58.399 --> 00:07:59.040 That's interesting. 154 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.000 I didn't even know that they went through all of that, 155 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.319 which you know it actually it is kind of interesting. 156 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:06.120 I guess if like that room you were speaking of, 157 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:07.600 like what was that all about? You had to just 158 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.240 spend a lot of time just you and your husband. 159 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.600 They were so it was like a big church, but 160 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:17.240 it had like like a cloistered off area where like 161 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.079 the priests would sleep. So they're very tiny, like prison 162 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:23.920 cell sized rooms, and all that's in it is the 163 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.639 smallest bed you've ever seen in a little kneeling bench 164 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.319 with like a cross, and of course they separate the 165 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:32.240 men and the women. I was like, I hated that. 166 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:34.759 I hated being in that place at night, so I 167 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.919 would like sneak off into my husband's room stay in 168 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.519 there with him, and oh my goodness. Yeah, but no, 169 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:44.080 And then they would that's interesting, Yeah, you would have to. 170 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:45.879 I mean, they would do like prayer, and then they 171 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.120 had these really old people come in and talk to 172 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:53.559 us about contraception, like the Catholic contraception, which is wow, weird. 173 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:55.679 But but the thing is is that it. 174 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.360 Was isn't it abstinence? 175 00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:58.720 No. 176 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.399 I forget the name the method, but it's literally like 177 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.399 counting the cycles and then there's certain days and it's 178 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.639 a whole like religious contraceptive system that doesn't work, that 179 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:14.600 doesn't work at all. I mean, but I mean it 180 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.600 was interesting to me because I like knowing, I like 181 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:22.080 understanding the religion that's dominating our world. And you know, 182 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.559 I've always been fascinated with Christianity, and I think that's 183 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.200 why my page is so popular, because I think I 184 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.759 get a lot of deconstructing Christians coming to me because 185 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.759 I have read the Bible numerous times, I studied it 186 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.399 in college. I'm very well versed on you know that 187 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:40.039 and multiple religions and so. 188 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.240 Which is SOMETHINGI book was good, right. 189 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.519 Which is something that I found very interesting because and 190 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.480 you've made mentioned of it here a couple times recently, 191 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.480 is that there's these x witches that are converting to 192 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:55.919 Christianity and you can almost see the writing on the 193 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.080 wall as it's happening that they're going to come back 194 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.240 and you know, shit all all over witchcraft and magic 195 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.159 and say that it's all satan filled. 196 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:04.679 It's like. 197 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.559 You weren't really a real witch then, because that's not 198 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:10.159 what it is exactly. 199 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:14.200 And I've never yet to see an ex witch who 200 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:20.679 wasn't practicing appropriated practices and religions. I have not seen one. 201 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.000 And I search, I have an alt account. I search 202 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.360 and search and search. I can't find anything or anybody 203 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:31.960 that wasn't doing reiki or you know, burning white sage 204 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.759 or all the things that aren't part of our culture 205 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.799 that they take. And then they're like, oh, I, I you know, 206 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:40.879 I don't understand it didn't work for me. Well, they're 207 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:43.279 not your ancestors or spirits are talking to so of 208 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.799 course you're not hearing them, you know, right, And then 209 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.879 they leave they go to God, and God doesn't want 210 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:49.679 to hit them either. 211 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:55.039 So so you mentioned that you do traditional witchcraft, though 212 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:59.000 what like you know, we're we've been kind of diving 213 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:03.639 into chaos magic and practical magic. What's the difference between 214 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:05.159 that and traditional magic. 215 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.960 Well, so traditional magic, I mean it's today it's a 216 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:14.480 reconstructionist movement, right, It's it's kind of the post Wicca 217 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:19.200 era because many of us traditional which has came from 218 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:22.320 the Wicka path and we didn't like that path. It 219 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.399 wasn't working for us. So we're trying to get back 220 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:30.159 to our roots. And it's very land based and ancestral 221 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:36.879 based and you know, choosing one path or lineage or 222 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.440 ancestor to connect with, learning the mythologies, learning the languages. 223 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.399 So it's it's it's very rooted in where you come 224 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.960 from and who you are. And when I say land based, 225 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:51.679 like I'm not I saw I saw someone says he's uh, 226 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.120 he's outsidey, not outdoorsy, right, Like you go on a 227 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:57.799 walk like in the park, but you don't want to 228 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.080 go on a hike in the forest. I'm outside I 229 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:04.279 don't like you know, they're collecting herbs all the time 230 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:08.360 and stuff, but it's still you know, connecting with the land. 231 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:12.159 So okay, you know what we we actually recently had 232 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:13.240 on this. 233 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:13.559 Uh. 234 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:15.720 He was a black magician. His name's h. E. A. 235 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.759 Kuetting And watched that one stud of a guy. I 236 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:20.159 love that. 237 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:23.440 Guy, and and he's you know, I saw that he 238 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:25.440 was into black magic and all this other stuff, but 239 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:27.879 he was also into like Norse paganism. And I noticed 240 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:30.240 that because he had like the mule neer hanging from 241 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.080 his neck right and. 242 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:34.399 Uh, and I was like, I was like, so you're 243 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:35.440 into that too, you know. 244 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:38.519 And and you know it almost seems a bit eclectic, 245 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.600 and and what are your thoughts on eclecticism and just 246 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.600 people that are kind of uh molding a bunch of 247 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.480 different things together and making it their own. 248 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.000 Are you for that or against that? 249 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:53.320 I am for that. I think that I'm I'm really 250 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:56.960 open to people doing what feels right for them. And 251 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:00.200 you know, somebody like that, who's who's more into like 252 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.360 the hermetic principles and the kind of the mentalism of 253 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.639 the practice. And I also like that really fits that 254 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:12.159 works well with Norse paganism. Nourse paganism is very like 255 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:17.279 kind of male dominated. It just fits well, you know. 256 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:24.600 But yeah, as long as people aren't taking from practices 257 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:29.080 that are closed or from endangered you know, plants and 258 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.000 and things like that. As long as you're not harming 259 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.720 anybody or stepping on anybody. It is that's the beauty 260 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.120 of witchcraft as an umbrella term, is that it's what 261 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:38.679 you make it. 262 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.679 Okay, so you're not you're not for the left hand path? 263 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:47.279 Then, oh no, I am, yeah, no, I love Honestly, 264 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:52.120 I'm I'm on both sides of the path. I I 265 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:58.399 I'm not so much on the ceremonial ritualistic side of it. 266 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.440 But the left hand path doesn't necessarily have to be 267 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:06.159 that right if you're you know, working with certain spirits and. 268 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.440 Yeah, okay, that's interesting. 269 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:14.320 And multiple of our guests are, you know, they include 270 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.399 both of them. Some people say that there is no 271 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.799 left hand or right hand path, there is no light 272 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.600 in dark. It's all the same thing that you're pulling from. Anyway, 273 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:22.519 What are your thoughts on that? 274 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.240 I agree with that? Like I I think I actually 275 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:29.360 wrote something today and I had spoken about it in 276 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.799 a TikTok. I call it living in the gray. So 277 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.559 there's no black, there's no white. We're living in the 278 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.200 gray and the gray. You know, the Christians will tell 279 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.559 you like, oh, we live in the light. Come to 280 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.440 the light and you're dark. Well, guess what the light 281 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.440 will blind you. Okay, the light will burn all the plants. 282 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:49.240 If there was only the sun, the light casts the 283 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:53.559 biggest shadow, right, And if you're telling us that we're 284 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:57.240 the dark, you're viewing us that way. You are shadowing 285 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:03.080 us that way. So everything has to have balance, right, 286 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.679 if there's no balance, And I think that when we 287 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.200 try to separate right hand and left hand, we're tipping 288 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.279 the scales one way or the other. We're excluding people. 289 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:15.879 We're saying, you know, this isn't Once we start developing 290 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.399 a system of this is right, this is wrong, and 291 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:20.639 you know, then we have a dogma and then we 292 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.200 have then we're like, you know, we're Christians if we're 293 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:28.799 to rigid rigid and I don't, no, I think that 294 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.480 it's living in the gray. You have to to be 295 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.879 a practitioner witchcraft. You have to be okay living in 296 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.919 the gray. And that's being okay with knowing that your 297 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.000 beliefs are yours alone and not everybody agrees with you. 298 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:45.360 Right, That's that's perfect. 299 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.919 That's something that we see a lot, you know, because 300 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.759 we talk about these types of things, witchcraft and you 301 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.679 name it, you know, anything a cold or strange, you know, 302 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:55.399 we like to talk about and a lot of people 303 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:57.440 would say like, oh, well, you know that's dark, that's 304 00:15:57.759 --> 00:15:59.759 you're playing with demons. You know, you're you're doing the 305 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:02.480 work of the devil or you know, things of that nature. 306 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.200 And it's just I don't know, I think it in 307 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:09.080 their worldview and how they like to view the world. Okay, 308 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.080 then you're right, you know, because that's your belief. But 309 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.120 that doesn't mean it has to be my belief. And 310 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.639 that's something I've really am coming to understand, you know, 311 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:18.720 is that people are okay to have their own belief. 312 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:20.320 But when you come at me and try to tell 313 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.399 me that I'm wrong, it's like, you know what I mean, 314 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:23.759 I don't know. 315 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:25.480 I just I just don't get down with that. 316 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:26.279 That's the wrong way. 317 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:27.360 Yeah. 318 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.559 I live in the southern US, so I'm just surrounded 319 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:32.000 by evangelical Christians. 320 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.320 I imagine you get a lot of criticism. 321 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:39.519 Well okay, yeah, just recently, actually, one of the moms 322 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:41.519 in the neighborhood told their kids that he can't hang 323 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.600 out with my kid because we practice at She's been 324 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:47.720 to my house. She's been in my house. You cannot 325 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.679 walk through my house and not know something only a 326 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:55.279 year later. It's a problem. But honestly, for the most part, 327 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.159 majority of people are accepting of it. To be honest, 328 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:01.320 and guess what. Guess who they call when they need 329 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.240 something or when they want a tarot card red or 330 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:06.200 you know something, Oh, do you know is spelled to 331 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.319 do that? They'll call me for it, right I'm like, okay, 332 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:11.119 like fine. 333 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:12.880 That reminds me. 334 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.039 Of optimistic banks. Some people think I'm crazy, others call 335 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:18.319 me for advice. 336 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.799 Exactly, dude. And it's perfect because even Pete just said, 337 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:26.119 do no harm, take no shit right there, dude, right 338 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:27.960 there in the middle. And it's always like one of 339 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.279 my favorite quotes, just because I'm a wrestling dorc. But 340 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:35.240 Vince McMahon always used to say, he would say, I'm 341 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.400 not gonna sit around and act like I'm better than 342 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.759 anybody else. But I'll be damned if somebody acts like 343 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:44.319 they're better than me. I just love that white boy 344 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:50.440 wizards that I'm surrounded by Mormons. I'd rather have witches. Yeah, yeah, 345 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.400 there's a lot less. I mean, I'm sure that there's 346 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.160 still a little bit of dogma, which within the witchcraft 347 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.279 you'll have people that are purely of the ancestral to 348 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.720 where you know, if you don't have any blood lineage 349 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:05.960 from this plot of land, then don't you dare do 350 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.920 this kind of spell or this you know what I mean. 351 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.680 And I'm like, yeah, that's fine if you want to 352 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:13.759 believe that, but I don't know if that's right to 353 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:17.200 just be pushing on everybody. Now you're more religious based, you. 354 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.920 Know, yeah, it's not right to do that. And that's 355 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:23.119 where like, if your practitioner coming into witchcraft, you have 356 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.240 to know that you are going to come up against that. 357 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.279 You know. If you are part of the Irish diaspora, 358 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.519 the people in Ireland are spiky about it. They don't 359 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.440 claim you, you know, and they say like, you haven't 360 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.599 grown up here even lived here. You're not Irish. But 361 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.839 the Irish Americans will say, yes, we are. You know, 362 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.240 my grandmother was Irish. It's a sticky subject, but I 363 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.559 think the balance is in like descendants accepting that they're 364 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.839 the diaspora. You're not Irish, you're Irish, You're American, but 365 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.240 you're Irish descended and you can draw roots from that still, 366 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:56.839 you know. 367 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.000 So yeah, I mean, hey, even the Jews aren't from Israel. 368 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:07.599 You know, let's just get weird. But I just have 369 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:09.000 to throw it out there. Sorry about that. 370 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:12.839 Did you see my post the other day about how 371 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:18.039 witchcraft the guy saying witchcraft isn't political? He was saying 372 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.559 Witchcraft's not political, and I get so heated with that 373 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.359 because I feel like it is, you know, it's very political. 374 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.640 And he's like, you can't talk politics on my page, 375 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.599 and I'm like, well, then you're just a deconstructing Christian 376 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:30.720 who hasn't deconstructed yet, and that's. 377 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:31.079 What he is. 378 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:35.880 Yeah, I mean to say that to any spirituality is 379 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.920 for or against politics. It's like these are two separate, 380 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.880 separate dichotomies. It's not like I'm a witch now so 381 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.799 that means I can't watch Fox News anymore. 382 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.440 It's like, that's the sayings account. 383 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.000 Yeah, And that's the thing is that people just come 384 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.319 up with their own damn rules. And here's the thing, 385 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:58.400 They're only putting limitations on their own self at that point, right. 386 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:04.279 Yeah. I think there's a difference between rules and truths, 387 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:10.720 in which because there are some truths that can't be denied, 388 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:15.319 and they're they're very you know, uniform across practices. But 389 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.440 as far as rules, we need to just cut it 390 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:19.200 with the rules. 391 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:19.880 Yeah. 392 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.160 Yeah, just an anarchy dude all day. 393 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:25.279 So truth is what we're after, you know, that's the 394 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:26.359 whole point of this whole thing. 395 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.599 I actually it's when you you said you guys were 396 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.319 conspiracy guys, and I had to grabbed my grandfather's Masonic 397 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.000 Bible because I was like, oh, they'll probably like the 398 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.000 Freemason's Bible. I use that in my practice sometimes. This 399 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.400 is what got me blown up on TikTok this Bible 400 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:50.440 I got hex has thrown at me, and oh my goodness, 401 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.200 it became a whole big thing. And I'm all over 402 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.200 conspiracy and scram not because I posted there, because people 403 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:58.680 take my videos with this and I'm all over it. 404 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:02.559 So so all right, what is the Is there any 405 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.799 like major differences from the Masonic Bible compared to all 406 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:06.720 the other Bibles? 407 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.920 No, No, it's there's photos and then in the beginning 408 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.839 there's the it talks about Freemasonry and the Bible, But 409 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.039 other than that, it's the same. It's the same Bible. 410 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.240 And I've I've read it online before to show people. 411 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.039 People are always asking to buy it off me or 412 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.039 give them a copy. But it's copywritten. The Bible is copywritten, 413 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.960 the Word of God is copywritten. So I can't share it. 414 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.039 That's crazy. That seems a little contradicting. I think, don't 415 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:37.839 share the word, but also make sure to share the word. 416 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.839 It's crazy. It's crazy. What is okay? 417 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:44.279 And what gets taken off of TikTok and YouTube and 418 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:45.000 stuff like that. 419 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:46.400 There was. 420 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.400 Fuck it, I'll just say it. I it was like 421 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.759 before this show was ever created. The Cult of Conspiracy 422 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.519 is my first podcast that I ever did. 423 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:58.839 I still do it. And we got kicked off of YouTube. 424 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:01.920 We got like our final strike because we did a 425 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:06.240 show on Hillary Clinton drinking adrenachrome and frazzle drip, wearing 426 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:10.160 little kid's faces or whatever, right and just to get wild. 427 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:13.000 And you know what, we ended up getting kicked off 428 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.039 of YouTube because they said that we were bullying and 429 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:18.720 I said bullying Hillary Clinton? 430 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:23.039 Like who cares? It's a politician, Like there's a they're 431 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:23.720 the bullies? 432 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:24.039 Really? 433 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:28.119 M yeah, I mean conspiracy theories are fun, you know, 434 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.200 like they're they're fun to explore. We don't have to 435 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.559 believe them all, sure, but they're fun to explore. And 436 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.400 you know, your podcasts are different than the Discovery Channel 437 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:41.480 or the History Channel and Ancient Aliens. 438 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:43.519 It's like, yeah, you go. 439 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.079 Into the strange and it's interesting there. 440 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:49.079 Oh yeah, I mean, just to have your mind splintered 441 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:54.000 just by postulating the possibility that any of these things 442 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.960 would be correct. I don't know, honestly, That's kind of 443 00:22:55.960 --> 00:23:00.559 what really got me super interested in the old and 444 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.240 magic and witchcraft, because I was like, man, this world 445 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:04.680 is just not what we think it is. 446 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:06.400 Let me try and find out what it is. 447 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.920 Then, you know, did you figure it out yet? 448 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.519 We're a lot closer than we were two years ago, 449 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:13.160 for sure. 450 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:15.240 Just a little bit. 451 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.279 Nick, you had your hand raised, dude, do you have 452 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.519 anything to add I was just gonna say, on the copywriting, 453 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.119 the only way that they're allowed to do that is 454 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:27.240 to change it, is ironically enough, Oh really you have 455 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:27.839 to change it. 456 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:30.839 And everyone's like, there's no changes ever, But like you 457 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:32.759 can change it, right. 458 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:35.680 That's a good point. That's a good point. 459 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.799 The White Boy Wizard said, I would love nothing more 460 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.440 than anarchy. Been training to be a post apocalyptic warlord 461 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:43.799 with a harem of batties. 462 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.920 I love it. All lizards should be bullied. 463 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:48.519 I agree. 464 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:51.960 So and I don't want to turn this into a 465 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.920 conspiracy episode because we we wanted to bring you on 466 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:55.799 to talk about. 467 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.400 Thet But for anybody that is just. 468 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.680 Like getting star I don't I'm sure you get this 469 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:03.759 question all the time, but like, what is a good 470 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.960 starting point into you know, just I don't even want 471 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.000 to say just witchcraft, but you know, spirituality, magic, witchcraft. 472 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.279 You know what was kind of like your introduction was 473 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:15.400 it like tarot cards? 474 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:20.000 Yeah, it was tarot cards, but the actual real introduction 475 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:22.119 into witchcraft. I mean back in the nineties, again, we 476 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:24.279 didn't have the Internet. We had some you know, you 477 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.480 could go to the head shop where they would sell 478 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.599 the bongs and find stuff there. Some of the weird 479 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.799 new age spiritual bookstores would have things. And my first 480 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:37.799 book book was the Raymond Bucklan's I think it's the 481 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:39.839 Guide to Witchcraft's the Big Blue Book is what the 482 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:42.920 witches call it. And that thing is wild, like there's 483 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.359 like nude initiations and blood magic, and I mean I 484 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:52.039 went in. I don't recommend starting that way, not that 485 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.720 I was doing any at thirteen. I'm you know, but 486 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:56.400 I would. 487 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.200 Often was getting a little excited about that. 488 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:02.559 I but it was it's not a good start, it's 489 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.039 a little it's been much. But I think the best 490 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:09.519 way people get really worried about making mistakes and doing 491 00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:12.920 things wrong. And if we're not doing things wrong, we're 492 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:16.000 not learning anything. We wouldn't know all we know about 493 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:20.400 witchcraft today if it hadn't been for was it Moses 494 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:24.480 Margaret Murray the witch cult theory that was disproven? And 495 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:28.400 then Gerald Gardner kind of there was some things that 496 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.200 he brought forward that we don't believe in or do today. 497 00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:36.960 Without that, there's no conversation. So when you're beginning into witchcraft, 498 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.240 I think the best thing you can do is read 499 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:43.960 or listen to podcasts or you know, you have to 500 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.680 get information somewhere. You can find a mentor that's a 501 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.839 little difficult. You can look online like on TikTok, but 502 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:54.200 don't believe everything you see. I'm a book girl, like 503 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:55.720 I know you can talk for my channel like I'm 504 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.599 a full on academic witch. Give me the books. But 505 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.960 I know that not every is that way, and I 506 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.640 try to be really mindful. You know, people that don't 507 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:10.119 want to read books, So it's first. I would suggest 508 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.319 finding what interests you, what country interests you, what ancestor 509 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:19.599 interests you, What mythology interests you. Is it Greek mythology? 510 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:24.000 Is it Roman? Is it Celtic? Find that first, and 511 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:27.240 then read the mythologies. You don't have to believe those 512 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.799 gods were real. The Bible is also just mythology, so 513 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.559 you know, you don't have to believe that these gods 514 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:36.599 were real. But learn about it, learn about where you 515 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:39.519 come from, because mythology is the identity of a culture. 516 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.559 It is the root and identity of a culture. So 517 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:47.400 start there. You can start practicing magic. You know, you 518 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.720 can start with like smaller, safer spells. Do not do 519 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:56.440 love spells, be very careful with money spells. Maybe do 520 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:03.319 a little invisibility spell or something less with less consequences. 521 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:09.000 But see, yeah, I mean it's hard to tell people 522 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:10.799 how to get on the path because I feel like 523 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.920 so people come to witchcraft either because they choose it, 524 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.720 they're cracked into it, or the you know, the path 525 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.039 just opens for them. They have to stop lying to 526 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.640 themselves and come honestly, and then they get here. 527 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.839 You know, No, I agree and I feel like, you know, 528 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:30.880 we kind of stumbled across it just because it was 529 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.480 more of a fascination thing than anything else. It was 530 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.000 just like you know, And the funny backstory about that 531 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.839 is is that you know, whenever my mom and Shawn's 532 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.480 mom were younger, they have this story about how they 533 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.119 used to always like play on the Ouiji board. And 534 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.880 then it's funny because like me and Sewn, you know, 535 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:52.960 we grow up and this is what we do now, 536 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.079 you know. So it's I don't know, and my mom 537 00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:59.000 was always like super interested in witchy stuff, and Halloween 538 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.359 was always the biggest, you know, event of the year 539 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.240 and just always going all out with it, and so 540 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:05.160 I was kind of always drawn to it in a way. 541 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.119 And then you know, learning about like magic being real 542 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:13.279 and witchcraft actually being real, and you know what really 543 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.400 pulled me. I don't want to stay away from it, 544 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:20.279 but just kind of like the opposite side was I 545 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:23.799 would think that like I would watch you know, stupid 546 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:29.759 magic shows or movies trol Yeah and Harry Potter and 547 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.400 stuff like that, and you're like, oh, that's that's how 548 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.359 magic works, and you know, you would maybe you would 549 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.680 think about trying to do something like that yourself. You 550 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.599 go outside and grab a stick and use it as 551 00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:41.720 a wand and why isn't a lightning bolt coming out 552 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:41.960 of it? 553 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:42.200 You know? 554 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.039 And it's interesting because the way that we understand it now, 555 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.039 it's that you know, those things aren't necessarily going to 556 00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:54.680 happen visually, you know. And and I feel like a 557 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.799 lot of people they need to see something in order 558 00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.000 to believe it. And maybe they don't have the patience, 559 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.960 or the time or or anything like that. Maybe they 560 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.319 they don't know that you have to be kind of 561 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.839 like intuitive about it as well. And you know, practice 562 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.039 meditation and stuff like that. Is that something that you 563 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.319 do it often at all is meditate? 564 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.839 No, I'm an adhd witch, so I do not meditate. 565 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.359 I've tried, believe me, I'm not. I don't meditate. What 566 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.480 I found is that I meditate when I am studying, 567 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.160 and that is when I'm quiet and my mind is 568 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.079 focused and things come to me, you know, when I'm 569 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.640 reading or writing. 570 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.880 And I mean, that's still meditation, you know what I mean. 571 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.400 Even if you're not closing your eyes and listening to 572 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.240 something or you know, sittings crosscross apple sauce. You know 573 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.039 that is still your meditation, And if you're ADHD, you're 574 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.599 probably already tapped in any ways all the time, and 575 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:47.279 so it's probably not even an issue for you. I 576 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.319 feel like that's what Jonathan has. I feel like he's 577 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.039 always kind of tapped into something. He's always got an idea, 578 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.519 he's always something's always coming up, and it's. 579 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.160 Like, dude, sometimes to my detriment, actually. 580 00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.960 Yeah, yeah, no. 581 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.759 The other day, did a curse because it's because I 582 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.240 forget what I had done a video about in a person. Oh, 583 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:09.400 it was talking about the spirit of plants, and she goes, 584 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.599 your knowledge just blows my mind and I said, it's 585 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.240 a curse, and she goes, what do you mean. I'm like, 586 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:17.000 I can't stop learning. Yeah, I get a thought. I 587 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:18.880 got to know the answer. And it's been that way 588 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.319 since I was a kid, which is why I've studied 589 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.039 the Bible so so much, because I was looking for answers, truth, anything, 590 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.880 and all I found was lies in there. And it's 591 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.359 a curse. But it's a blessing, but a curse. And honestly, 592 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.519 the medication just helps me focus in on one thing 593 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.559 instead of ten. So we're on the right track. 594 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.559 Yeah, you know, what's funny is is that you know, 595 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.000 you being you know, very well versed within the Bible 596 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.079 and stuff like that. I've heard people say that you 597 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.079 can almost use the Bible as a sort of grimoire 598 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.319 and you can use angels from the Bible, demons from 599 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.200 the Bible, certain spells even from the Bible. 600 00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:55.200 What are your thoughts on that? 601 00:30:55.759 --> 00:31:00.799 Absolutely so, the practices of vo do and who do 602 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.200 and it's called pow wow. It's like an old Germanic 603 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.319 folk magic and any Appalachian folk magic they all use 604 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.119 the Bible creole. Yeah, they all use the psalms. The 605 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.880 psalms are where the spells are, and you know, like 606 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.240 certain folk magic spells would be like pray over the 607 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.640 sick person with this, you know, lump of coal, say 608 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.720 this prayer Lord's prayer three times, three times backwards and 609 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.359 that's the spell. But ye know, the Bible is full 610 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.759 of spells of them. And then you can call on 611 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:43.920 the archangels. And I don't, I don't, I don't care. 612 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.039 To do it, but you absolutely again interesting, and you 613 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.799 know what's funny is is that you'll probably have somebody 614 00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.119 that is, you know, maybe using the Bible that is 615 00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.559 you know, who DOOO or voodoo or some other kind 616 00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.160 of sect of spirituality, and you know, you'll get people, 617 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.359 you know, from Christianity that'll say, well, like, yo, if 618 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.319 you're using psalms and the way that you're using it, 619 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.680 then the power that you're drawing upon is the dark side. 620 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.240 And I'm just like, you just can't win, you know 621 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:14.680 what I mean. 622 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.960 It's like we had a guy on and very Christian 623 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.240 guy into metaphysics, but still you know, very Christian centric, 624 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.599 very nice guy. And I told him about this time 625 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.200 that I tripped really hard on mushrooms and I'm not 626 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:30.960 going to tell the whole story, but basically, I tripped 627 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.279 really hard on mushrooms and I fucking heard the lohem 628 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.960 like with the blaring horns and stuff, and I was like, 629 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:38.960 I never even heard of the lo heem up until 630 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.559 this point. And I felt like I was just receiving 631 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.559 downloads and I was asking questions and I was getting 632 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:46.440 answers like immediately right, and it was like a literal hearing, 633 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.359 you know what I'm saying, Like it was very distinct. 634 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.160 And I asked him what he thought about that, and 635 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.200 he goes, well, you know, you're not a Christian, so 636 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.079 it's probably demons, even when. 637 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.200 It's the yellow heem. Yeah, Like, wow, that is just, 638 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:00.559 of course unfortunate. 639 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.000 You know. The first time I know exactly what you're 640 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:04.720 talking about, the first time I heard a voice like 641 00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.160 that was actually the night before my mom passed away. 642 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.200 My husband I were living in Mexico because he was 643 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.599 working there, and the room was dark. I was just 644 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.079 about to go to sleep, and I felt like a 645 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:17.279 breath at my ear and the voice sounded like a 646 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.440 little girl, and she said, you don't have a mom anymore, 647 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.119 and it was sad like it wasn't in an evil way. 648 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.039 It was just like I'm grieving with you kind of voice. 649 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.720 And I get goosebumps every time I talk about it. 650 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.599 But I shot up in the bed and I was like, 651 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.839 oh my god, I'm telling my husband. Next morning, I'm 652 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.519 calling like everybody I know couldn't get a hold of 653 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.480 my mom. She ended up having a heart attack that day. 654 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:37.799 What. 655 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.599 Yeah, So it was. It was so crazy because I'll 656 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:43.559 never forget it, and I just know it was a 657 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.559 messenger just warning me, you know that this is happening. 658 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.720 Wow, I mean, do you where do you think that 659 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.079 came from? Do you ever do you ever, like think 660 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.720 about what that person's name was or anything like that. 661 00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.119 I think it was an angel. I think it was 662 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.960 the type of or maybe a spirit guide or something. 663 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.799 But I think that it came because being in Mexico 664 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.400 was very difficult when that happened. That was maybe I 665 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.679 could have become very unhinged if I hadn't had that warning, 666 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.519 But when I got the call that afternoon, I just 667 00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:23.480 knew wow. So yeah, I kind of kept it together 668 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.119 after that bell. It was the craziest thing, and it 669 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.639 was outside in my head. It wasn't in my head either. 670 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.480 Oh my god. You know that's crazy too, is that? 671 00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:34.679 You know, it's like, I don't know, maybe it's like 672 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.199 a version of awareness or something like that. But even 673 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.679 if you're not, you know, receiving some kind of channeled 674 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.000 or downloaded message just in passing. You know, you go 675 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.760 walk through Walmart, or you walk through CVS, or you're 676 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.119 walking down the road or something like that. Maybe you're 677 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.840 taking a walk in the forest with other people and 678 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.480 you're only passing them for maybe about ten seconds right 679 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.639 at most, and you just so happened to catch a 680 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:03.440 poor of the sentence at that very moment. That is 681 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.440 what trips me out every time. It's like anytime I'm 682 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.400 like if i'm not you know, I don't have my 683 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.000 my you know, if I'm not talking to one of 684 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.119 my kids, or i don't have you know, my head 685 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.480 in my phone looking for certain things or whatever, and 686 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.639 I'm just kind of observing and listening and just going 687 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.360 about my day. It'll just I'll hear it and I'm like, 688 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.960 what a strange coincidence that was. But you know, we 689 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.440 don't believe in coincidences over here. 690 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.360 Yeah, I had a really just unbelievable experience exactly like that. 691 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.719 We were I think we had an episode the night before. 692 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.199 We were talking to a psychic and she was explaining 693 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.199 that you know, how to get a hold of your guides, 694 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:40.320 and you really just gotta, you know, put yourself out 695 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.679 there and start asking questions and start trying to work 696 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.320 with them in that way. And so I went ahead 697 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:47.760 and tried that, and all of a sudden, there was 698 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.880 like this flash of white light real quick. It was 699 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.000 almost like a tiny explosion as soon as I asked 700 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.199 about a certain thing, and I was just like wow, 701 00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.719 Like it was one of those moments where I felt 702 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:03.599 like there was really something happening. There was definitely some 703 00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.679 type of connection to whatever whatever that is. Call it 704 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.920 your higher self, call it your guides, call it. I 705 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.159 don't really know, but I just knew that there was 706 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:17.519 absolutely some truth to this, this whole magical place. And 707 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.159 I was talking to Nick, and I called him the 708 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:21.599 next day and I was talking to him about it, 709 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.079 and we were talking about like as far as like 710 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.440 walking around as if you're everything's normal still, even though 711 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.639 you just had something that mystical happen, you know. And 712 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.079 and then I was walking around at work and I 713 00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.119 was cleaning up outside at one point, and I was 714 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.039 thinking to myself, like, what the fuck, what is this? 715 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:39.320 You know? 716 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.239 And then this guy walked by, like some homeless dude, 717 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.360 you know. I think he was a schizophrenic possibly, you know. 718 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.199 And the only thing I heard him say was you 719 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.440 know what this is? And I was like, oh my god, 720 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:56.320 just continuing continuing to blow my mind. Yeah, you know 721 00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.960 that kind of shit right there. I just can't explain it. 722 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.199 Yeah. And the thing is that if you are a Christian, 723 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.960 you would attribute that to either a demon or Jesus. 724 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.400 So it could be either or depending on your mindset 725 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.880 at the time. Outside of the House of Christianity. You 726 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.039 see how big it really is and how powerful it 727 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.400 really is. And then suddenly things start opening up to 728 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.639 you and you're like, oh my goodness, you know, and 729 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.719 I get a lot of new practitioners come to me 730 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.760 talking about imposter syndrome and how they feel like silly 731 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:31.239 trying to worship a different God or talk to a spirit. 732 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.840 And that's the way you feel at first. You feel silly. 733 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.280 It feels like you're playing pretend, you know, like you're 734 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:42.239 trying to be in supernatural or charmed or whatever it. Yes, yes, 735 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.199 keep doing it, because eventually it will click. And when 736 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.039 it clicks, oh my gosh, it just everything becomes so 737 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:50.320 much easier. 738 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.719 No doubt. Nicholas, what are your thoughts there. 739 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.719 I've been trying to figure out when and how I 740 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.440 would be able to tell you all this story that 741 00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.840 just happened to me. It's like the crazy thing, chronicity thing. 742 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.559 I was this weekend at this like Trader Day show 743 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.400 with my mom and we were walking and my mom 744 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.639 and my wife and we were walking through these like 745 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.679 they just have boots and stuff everywhere, and there's this 746 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.039 guy that walks by, and my mom pointed him out 747 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.880 and it's this old, old dude dressed in all red, 748 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.880 white beard, all red, with pulling a red wagon with 749 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.559 candy canes and he looked like Santa Claus. And I'm like, 750 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.639 this dude and he's just like so out of place. 751 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.440 I was like, this is like a quest character of 752 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.440 the you know, NPC or whatever, like like that guy 753 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.320 is like a side quest character for sure. And I'm 754 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.000 immediately thinking, I said, he's a side quest character. Reminds 755 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.760 me of hippie Jimmy from Fucking Florida, which told me. 756 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.039 And as I said that in my head I'm listening 757 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.280 to a podcast with Aaron Abkei and he uses the example. 758 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:56.599 I said, this guy's a side quest character, and then 759 00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.559 in my headphones I was listening, he says like cosmic 760 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.719 Santa Claus, and I'm like, oh my god. 761 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.360 I literally out loud, was like what the fuck. My 762 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.039 mom and my wife turned around and they're like what, 763 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.639 And I'm like, holy shit, this is insane. What is 764 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:12.199 this place? 765 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:12.679 Yeah? 766 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:13.760 I was like, what the hell. 767 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.800 Normally it's like numbers, and you know, I get the 768 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.800 craziest numbers, synchronousies and everything, but that one was just. 769 00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.599 Like holy shit, just to let you know, yeah, a 770 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.800 little extra something. So this is still happening. 771 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.920 Yeah, when happen, When those things happen, are you doing 772 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.280 something like are you using that as like a guide 773 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.760 or like a beacon to something? Because that's usually what 774 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:35.360 those are. 775 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:41.000 Oh, they happen so often for me, I expect them 776 00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.599 to happen all the time, and from what I have 777 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.800 been told, at least from my guides anyway, that those 778 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:51.280 are just confirmation of direction and h And at this 779 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.559 point there, it's so much, so often it's become a 780 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.639 game between us and like it's like what can they 781 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.199 orchestrate that I will be the most shocked by? 782 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:06.119 And I'm like, ah, are hilarious. They really did it 783 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.480 to you on that one? You know that one was 784 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.719 like I'm like okay, I literally was like bravo. 785 00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:12.880 I love that dude. 786 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:18.000 So, speaking of guides and you know, maybe deities or gods, 787 00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:22.760 is there anybody that you like to work with specifically 788 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.559 or do you work with a couple of them? I 789 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.119 always see like a bunch of people talking about Hecate 790 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.239 or the Morigan and you know characters like that. 791 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.159 Do you have a you know, a specific flavor that 792 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:33.679 you like more. 793 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.360 Well, I do follow a very Celtic leaning path, a 794 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:44.679 more Irish pantheon. But you know, in with the ancient Druids, 795 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:48.440 for example, they wouldn't or even there's the cursed tablets, 796 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.239 the ancient cursed tablets, you would find on them that 797 00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:56.480 people didn't necessarily curse or bless with one god. You 798 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.039 would use the god for the purpose at the time. 799 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.519 So I do venerate specific gods, but I'm not opposed 800 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.239 to going outside of the pantheon if I need help 801 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.920 from somebody. And I've told my followers, like, if you're 802 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:13.559 going to do that, you have to leave. You have 803 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.880 to leave an offering for these deities. You have to pay. 804 00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.960 You can't just go asking low ki for something and 805 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:22.639 not pay anything in return. 806 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.480 You know, interesting, can you can you get into offerings 807 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.440 a little bit? You know, I know that certain deities 808 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.599 and whatnot. They you know, some might like whiskey or 809 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.239 or a cigar or something along those lines. Like how 810 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.639 do you figure out like which they prefer as an offering? 811 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.760 Well, I mean most of the time it's you can 812 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.519 google and you can look up the mythology of a 813 00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:52.239 certain god, and you know what experts say even like 814 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:53.920 you can go on j store and this, you can 815 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.400 get a free account and go read academic journals and 816 00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:00.719 articles on the gods there. But they're there's always somebody 817 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.159 to ask, especially our whole world is open to us now, 818 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.920 you know, you can find an expert on any deity 819 00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:17.920 and ask them. But really money is good, wine, whiskey, bread, milk, jewelry, silver, gold, 820 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.679 those you can almost never go wrong with any of those, 821 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.199 you know, Like I did a working with a voodoo 822 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.840 priestess one time. I was not doing the working, but 823 00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:33.920 I was participating or included in it. And at the 824 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.639 end of the working, we had to pay the spirits 825 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.079 like cash, and you know, it had to go on 826 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:45.480 the altar and then it required like continuing devotion to 827 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.239 these spirits for a certain amount of time. And I 828 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.119 that was my first experience doing any type of voodoo ritual. 829 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.440 It was incredibly powerful and insane. But but yeah, so 830 00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.880 they have to be paid or else they will take 831 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.599 back what they give you. 832 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.440 So as far as the offerings though, you know, and 833 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.599 I guess in that kind of situation you would just 834 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.440 leave it in a at the altar bowl or something 835 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.119 like that. But if you're just doing it at home 836 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.280 and somebody requires money. I mean, how long do you 837 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:17.960 got to keep. 838 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:18.320 It in the bowl? 839 00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:21.039 What if you need, you know, a gallon of milk 840 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:22.800 or something like that, Like, are you going to get 841 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.840 cursed if you decide to take it out or does 842 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:25.960 that have to stay in there forever? 843 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:26.679 How does that work? 844 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.199 Well, if you make a contract when you do the working, 845 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.000 like I'll you know, you say, I'll leave this on 846 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.679 the altar for thirty days or six months or a 847 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.440 year however long you need their help, then when you're 848 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.559 taking it, you thank them and you ask for confirmation 849 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:45.559 that it's okay to take it. You can do like 850 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.719 tarror reading or pendulum or whatever works for you, and yeah, 851 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.599 then you can take it. And if it's if it's 852 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.119 a disposable item like a food item, you could dispose 853 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.599 of it, but you cannot consume it if you have 854 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.559 left it there. So if you have left money, if 855 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:03.840 I've left money, I would donate it as opposed to 856 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.199 going and spending it. Interesting, that's just the way I 857 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:07.760 would handle it. 858 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.000 So it's not going directly back to you. That makes sense. 859 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.360 And when you and when you make an offering to 860 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.840 said deity, or or you know a god do And 861 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.559 when you're done, do you feel as though it's definitely 862 00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:24.079 going to work or is your sense of belief within that. 863 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:27.760 Spell? Does that go up? 864 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.320 Or do you feel any different as opposed to you 865 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.239 just doing something specifically from yourself? 866 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.199 If that makes sense, Well, I'm I always have faith 867 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.199 that I've done this for thirty years. So I have 868 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.480 a lot of faith, and I know you know what 869 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:45.000 works and what doesn't for me. But part of the 870 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.800 Witch's pyramid, the third law is to move in silence 871 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.960 and not not speak about it anymore, not say anything 872 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.159 about it. And I also don't think about it. So 873 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:57.880 I do working. I let it go. And then I've 874 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:02.599 developed the system of using keywords words for to let 875 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.159 me know if something's working or not. So if you know, 876 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.280 if I'm looking for something or something to be revealed, 877 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:12.079 I'll say, you know, I'm implanting this keyword. What was 878 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.400 the word? Everyone in my comments was talking shar truce. 879 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.960 Everyone's obsessed with shartruce in my comments for some reason. 880 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:19.760 The keyword shar truth. So you want a word that's 881 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:24.960 known but not you don't hear every day, right like magenta? Okay, 882 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:27.519 so you would implant that keyword in the spell and 883 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.519 then just go about your life, and then you would 884 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.159 know when you hear magenta or shar truce that your 885 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.760 the gods are working, the spell is working, the spirits 886 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:38.599 are working. 887 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:39.480 I never heard of that. 888 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.079 Yeah, and it's worked for I had a friend wanted 889 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:43.719 to do a love spell, and I said no, because 890 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.039 I don't do that with people. But I said, let's 891 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.599 do a keyword spell where you can find your person, 892 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.679 because she was just going on all kinds of tender dates. 893 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.039 And so we picked the word magenta and she did 894 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.320 this ritual. We put the word in there, and then 895 00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.760 six months later, she's on a date with a guy 896 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.119 asked her for nails were magenta, but they were like 897 00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:05.320 baby pink. They were not even close to magenta, likegenta 898 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.519 right pink. And she called me. She's like, he said, 899 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.239 Pageta and their baby pink. And like now two years 900 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:12.800 later they're expecting a baby. 901 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:14.400 So wow. 902 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.519 You can use it as like a you know, a beacon, 903 00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:19.199 a clue. 904 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:19.920 Oh my. 905 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:20.599 Interesting. 906 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.239 It's so funny because other magicians that we've had on, 907 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:25.760 you know, they would say the same thing. As far 908 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.880 as love spells are concerned, they're like, just don't do it. 909 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.519 And it's like, it's interesting because you know some of 910 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.840 these people have done like bangful magic and you know 911 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.000 some of the some of the more darker quote unquote stuff, 912 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.280 and yet the love spell is like, whoa, don't even 913 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.039 try it. It's that's too dangerous, you know. 914 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.239 Is that just because that's like, you know, interfering with 915 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:48.239 someone's free will. 916 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:50.320 When is the reason behind that? 917 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:58.639 No, I'm all for interfering with people. No, it's because, gosh, 918 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.639 we are all when it comes to love, we are 919 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.840 all blinded and we you know, you could have somebody 920 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.599 come to you and ask you to spell. They can 921 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:09.840 give you their side of it, but you don't know 922 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:11.960 what's true or not. Maybe that person they're trying to 923 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:19.119 get back is violent, maybe they've It can just rot now, 924 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.599 it can get messy, it can rot. And in order 925 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.760 for a love spell to work, there has to be real, 926 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.800 a real foundation of love there in the first place. 927 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.000 So like the the percentage of that being real is 928 00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:36.840 very low, you know. And then you can't do it 929 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.159 for yourself because again, you're you're always blinded in your 930 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.480 own situations, especially in matters of the heart. Facts you know, 931 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:49.159 like we lost we did lose a sister on which 932 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:56.840 talk recently to domestic violence. And it started the conversation 933 00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.360 because people said, you know, like I warned her or 934 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.360 she knew. She did know, you know, like she knew 935 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.960 and it ended badly and it's very sad and love 936 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:11.119 magic is just not good. 937 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.159 So she she did love magic to get in that situation. 938 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.039 No, she didn't do love magic, but she knew that 939 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:22.199 it wasn't healthy, but was blinded by it. You know, 940 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.119 her her daughter was there as well. Uh, survived, She 941 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:31.800 saved her daughter. Yeah, so it was a bad situation, 942 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.719 but her daughter's alive. And people today say, oh, well, 943 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.000 her magic didn't work because he's you know, she still died. 944 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:41.360 But her magic absolutely worked because her daughter's alive. 945 00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.920 And she oh that's the important part, you know. 946 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.280 Yeah. Yeah, but as far as that's we're blinded by love. No, no, 947 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.199 witch is not blinded by love. 948 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:55.199 Oh dude, And yeah, the heart fools you like crazy. 949 00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.880 Pete said, I felt silly when I first put up 950 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.679 my altar for my aunt's ester's gods and personal alter. 951 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:02.840 I did shrooms. 952 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.599 This Sunday was candle gazing, and I could feel and 953 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.880 see myself surrounded by my spirit team. 954 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.199 Yeah, I love amazing. 955 00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:14.360 I can't imagine actually we're doing that the next time. 956 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.880 Shit, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I'm actually I'm going to be 957 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:19.800 moving out to Arizona. 958 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:20.599 That's where Sean lives. 959 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.920 I currently live in Texas, but I'm going to be 960 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.039 moving out to Arizona for a short period and we're 961 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:28.679 definitely going to be doing some spells. 962 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.000 Dude, I mean just giving. 963 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.119 I mean it's already a mystical type of experience, just 964 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.920 just regular staring into the candle. The light of the candle, 965 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.960 and that already is is just awesome. You feel like 966 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.440 you're I don't know, it's just a whole feeling that 967 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.920 you get and I can only imagine what that looks 968 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:45.960 like and what that feels like. 969 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.239 Is there any kind of a candle magic or scrying 970 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:53.000 or anything that you use in your practice? 971 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.039 Yeah, I am so. I on my altar and now 972 00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.880 I know a lot of witches feel a certain type 973 00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:03.119 of about this, but I am Okay. I have a 974 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:07.119 silver back mirror that I use and it is across 975 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.559 from my altar. Now, people are very afraid of silver 976 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.000 back mirrors, but I know what I'm doing with it. 977 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.679 So it's I use that along with candle magic, and 978 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.880 I'm telling you that silver back mirror don't do it though, 979 00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.679 I'll tell you what happened. But when when I have 980 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.000 that connection, it's literally like a portal in a doorway. 981 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.119 So you can set up your candles and focus on 982 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.800 the candle and the mirror and it your spirits come 983 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.760 through with it. Now, there was one time I made 984 00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.880 a huge mistake with silver back mirror and I took 985 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.440 another mirror. I don't know what was going through my head, 986 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:49.360 but I had a hand silver mirror and I turned 987 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.280 it towards the silver back mirror. 988 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:51.920 Oh my god. 989 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:56.800 So it was two mirrors facing each other. And first 990 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:58.679 of all, if you look at that image, it's you 991 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:05.920 a thousand times very unsettling. Then shortly after that, apparently 992 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.039 I had filmed a TikTok. Looked on my camera and 993 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.800 there was a TikTok that I had filmed in my drafts, 994 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.920 and I didn't remember doing it, Like, I didn't remember 995 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.320 saying anything in it or anything. And I was like 996 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:24.599 that it was like a weird time line shift or something. Yeah, 997 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.320 So I've never done or made that mistake ever ever 998 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:33.360 again no more unknown TikTok's happening that it was. It 999 00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:37.280 was scary. I had to do like some little protections, 1000 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.039 you know, set up my little servitors across the mirror, 1001 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:41.719 like protected, don't want anything through. 1002 00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.119 So what's the deal with the silver back mirror? 1003 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.320 Well, they say, well, first of all, silver back mirrors 1004 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.920 are like older, like early twentieth century you know, in 1005 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.280 nineteenth century mirrors, and they've got their back by silver, 1006 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:03.239 whereas today they're backed by aluminum. But silver to a 1007 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:08.119 witch is an incredible conduit of power because silver is 1008 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.480 connected to the moon, so that is lunar power in 1009 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.960 physical form. And with a silver back mirror, especially the 1010 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.159 one I have, is huge. It's a huge vanity old 1011 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.760 vanity mirror. That's a lot of power in that mirror. 1012 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:26.239 So they can be used as portals if they're not 1013 00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:31.519 locked properly or or you know covered. So they're just 1014 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:35.159 normal mirrors are fine. Everybody's findent normal mirrors. Nobody freak out. 1015 00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:39.800 But normal mirrors interesting. What are your thoughts there, Nicholas. 1016 00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:44.400 Yeah, I actually had an experience with mirrors one time 1017 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:49.760 that I'm curious on some input on. I was doing psychedelics, 1018 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:54.239 so there's that caveat, but I would like to consider 1019 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.159 myself a fairly experienced psychonaut. So as far as like 1020 00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:02.880 what I was seeing in the vision spectrum, I guess 1021 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:06.559 it wasn't like crazy visuals just. 1022 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:07.559 From my normal vision. 1023 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.639 But whenever I was looking, I had my computer open 1024 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.320 the camera on the computer, which essentially functions like a mirror, right, 1025 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:20.599 and then an actual mirror. So the the camera on 1026 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.320 the computer was pointing at a mirror, and then I 1027 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.559 was looking at a third reflection. So it was like 1028 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:32.039 three three mirrors. And on the third one, which would 1029 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.320 normally be like a perfect, you know, a mirrored image still, 1030 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.480 but the third one, it was like you could see 1031 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:43.039 through the veil on the third mirror. Does that make sense? 1032 00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:43.639 Yes? 1033 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.000 I don't know if that's something that exists or whatever, 1034 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.039 but it was like that after after two with that, 1035 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.719 with that vision, it was like it should have been still, 1036 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.000 but it like was like a whole other dimension through 1037 00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:57.840 the third mirror. 1038 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.599 Maje tends to break down after the second mirror. That's 1039 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:01.960 the AI. 1040 00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.280 It was just like it's like we can't, we don't 1041 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.400 have enough frame rates for this with you being able 1042 00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:07.079 to perceive it. 1043 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:10.679 Yeah, that happened when I did the mirror on the mirror, 1044 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:13.360 it was it was an infinite weird and then it 1045 00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:16.400 becomes a black like hole and you just can't see 1046 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:20.079 beyond it, and it's just it's like the Gateway tapes. 1047 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.519 I don't recommend doing that too late. 1048 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:32.599 Yeah, we've all pretty good experiences from the Gateway tapes though, really, yeah. 1049 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.079 What are your experiences with it? Where are you? Where 1050 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:35.880 are you against it? 1051 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.800 I have, I've listened to a little bit of them. 1052 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.199 I don't recommend them for people because I mean, I'm 1053 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.360 sure you must have seen on TikTok so many people 1054 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:48.519 who become completely unhinged by it do that. Oh yeah, 1055 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.079 there's one girl. I ended up stitching her because she 1056 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:55.840 was just absolutely shaken and demons and hearing voices and 1057 00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:00.199 all that. And you know, the Gateway tapes work if 1058 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.519 you're already rooted and grounded, right, you guys weren't raised 1059 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.960 in Christianity like this other person was. So when she 1060 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.400 starts having that connection with spirit and hearing voices and 1061 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.320 the thinning of the veil, it's all demonic to her. 1062 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.480 And you know, she was doing the Gateway tapes because 1063 00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.760 she wanted money, and when you go into magic with greed, 1064 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.639 it just doesn't reward you the way you want. 1065 00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.400 Like it's all fun and games. When it's fun and games, Yeah, 1066 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.800 I see, yeah, And that's man, what a hurdle to 1067 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.119 get through, you know, to get over that thing. And 1068 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:42.280 and that's why we've you know, we've done episodes almost deconstructing, 1069 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:49.079 deconstructing the etymology of certain words like the gin and 1070 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:53.880 the demon, and like the etymological roots have nothing to 1071 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.599 do with the word demon. It has no association with 1072 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:02.400 any kind of evil men at all. Yeah, which is 1073 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.320 you know, it makes sense though. I mean if the 1074 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:08.400 Christian Church was trying to say that everybody else was demons. 1075 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.760 And all your gods are demons and all this. 1076 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.679 Stuff, it's like, what the It's a brilliant scam, is 1077 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:13.280 really what it is? 1078 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.360 Yes, Yeah, Like the original word that they call sorcerer 1079 00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.280 witchcraft in the Bible, now it was pharmakia, which is 1080 00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:24.519 the word we use for pharmacists. Now, Like you know, 1081 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.480 don't tell me you're not going from church on Sunday 1082 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.320 over to Walgreens pick up your prescription, because that's who 1083 00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:33.119 you're going to see that it was your Farmakia. You know, 1084 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.679 it's a person who mixes potions. 1085 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:39.000 Which that's interesting. I never heard that. 1086 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.360 Yeah, that makes sense, dude, White Boy Wizard said, I'm 1087 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.800 blaming y'all. If I get a new demon, well hopefully 1088 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:46.760 it's a good demon though. 1089 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:51.159 Yeah, no new demons, we promise lest you believe it. Actually, 1090 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:52.840 And that's what I think is so interesting about the 1091 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:56.559 power of belief is somebody that believes in demons are 1092 00:56:56.719 --> 00:57:00.079 is the generally the person that experiences them. You know 1093 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.840 what I'm saying. It's like, your your belief and your 1094 00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.159 mind is so powerful. And I think we covered so 1095 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.719 much how just how powerful we are as humans that 1096 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.320 we are able to literally manifest anything we want. And 1097 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.480 so if somebody is really believing in demons and that 1098 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:20.519 they're possibly possessed, and then maybe they kind of are 1099 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.239 in that sense, you know what I mean. 1100 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.559 Yeah, I think that's I think it's more perception, right, 1101 00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:28.840 because your perception shapes your reality. So, you know, the 1102 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.440 same voice that they hear that I would hear, I 1103 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:34.519 would relate to it differently. You know. I hear a 1104 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.079 voice and I'm like not right now, I'm busy. They 1105 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.360 hear a voice and they're like, oh my god, it's 1106 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:44.599 Satan sending his minions, you know, Like, it's it's just perception. 1107 00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:48.920 The thing is, we all have the ability to practice 1108 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.239 magic and live a magical life. We all do, and 1109 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.639 whether Christians want to believe it or not, they are 1110 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:58.039 living it. The problem is they're under a veil and 1111 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:02.880 they're under perception that makes them afraid, and you cannot 1112 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:03.960 be afraid in witchcraft. 1113 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.199 Oh dude, whenever you know your your entire religion is 1114 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:11.599 based on fear, I'm sorry, that's I mean, across the 1115 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:14.880 board it is. You can see where the corruption lies, 1116 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.440 you know, because fear is a control tactic, and if 1117 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.480 you're taught to fear God, I'm like, I don't think 1118 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.079 you should be fearing God. I think that's the wrong 1119 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.960 word personally, And people will argue with me about that 1120 00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.440 until they're blue in the face. It's a respectful kind 1121 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:32.599 of fear, like how you used to fear your dad, 1122 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:35.440 you know, whenever you're younger. I'm like, I don't think 1123 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:37.519 that that's necessarily correct, you know. 1124 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:42.360 Yeah. My theory is that any God that demands absolute 1125 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.719 devotion is the least deserving of it. 1126 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:51.239 Agreed, Yes, electro Nick said what are your thoughts on 1127 00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.360 ets some aliens. 1128 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.400 I do have thoughts on ets, but I'm still like, uh, 1129 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.880 not a fully formed thought. I kind of liked the 1130 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:03.760 idea when they were talking about them coming out of 1131 00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:08.079 the ocean, only because that aligns very well with the 1132 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:14.280 Celtic spirituality, because they believe that the afterlife was beneath us, 1133 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:18.320 not above us. That's why in Ireland all the ferry 1134 00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:23.079 mounds are in the ground. So I don't know aliens. 1135 00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:26.679 I kind of feel like aliens coming from the ocean 1136 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.119 makes sense to me. I don't think there's any I 1137 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:33.559 don't know, maybe there's nothing above us. I'm skeptical sometimes. 1138 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:36.519 Oh no, that's perfectly that's perfectly logical. 1139 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.519 Because I wonder if what we're looking at is real 1140 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:41.440 or if it's something else, you know, and I'm not 1141 00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:42.840 about to go up there to find out. 1142 00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.559 So right right in this day and age, you don't 1143 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:48.079 know what's a hologram and what's not in that sense. 1144 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:51.519 But I tell you what, we've all had experiences with 1145 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:55.119 with like strange orbs in the sky, and they don't 1146 00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.679 seem to match with you know, what a helicopter or 1147 00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:01.760 an aeroplane or a drone or satellite or anything would do. 1148 01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.360 And they seem to like that. 1149 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.440 Just very weird activity going on up there. And maybe 1150 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.679 they are spiritual in a sense, and we're just calling 1151 01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.039 them aliens, you know, because the word. 1152 01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:14.920 Yeah, that's what I wonder, Like, what if the spirits 1153 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.440 and all of the gods and the deities and everything, 1154 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.159 what if those are the eties? And I think about 1155 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.199 that a lot. And then when they were talking about 1156 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:25.519 them coming out of the ocean, it just made a 1157 01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:27.639 lot of sense to me for some reason. So I 1158 01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:29.920 don't know, but that's another part of living in the 1159 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.719 gray that I was talking about. You have to be 1160 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:34.480 okay with not knowing that, you know, the Christians can't 1161 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:36.760 be okay with not knowing that they needed it's the nation, 1162 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:39.079 their book. I don't know. I'll figure it out when 1163 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:40.239 I get to the other side. 1164 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:47.719 Yeah, do you have any like more specific animosity towards 1165 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:52.480 you know, the Christianity or the the Abrahamic religions in general, 1166 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.960 strictly because of like the Book of Demonology that was 1167 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.559 written by King James and and that kind of stuff. 1168 01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.559 And now witches were hung and you know, drowned and 1169 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:05.320 all the crazy barbaric techniques that they used to do, 1170 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.440 like you know, they would put a millstone or something 1171 01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:11.280 like that on a witch's on a witch's leg and 1172 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:13.480 drowner and if she came up, then she was a witch. 1173 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.880 But hey, if she didn't come back, then I guess 1174 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:16.559 she wasn't a witch. 1175 01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:17.199 But she's dead. 1176 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:23.079 You know, that's on me, you know, yeah. 1177 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.239 I'm actually I don't have any This is gonna sound crazy. 1178 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:29.320 I don't have any animosity towards Christianity or any religion. 1179 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:34.440 I have animosity. I'm trying to say this in Ah, 1180 01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:39.559 so I get angry at men in history who have 1181 01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:48.400 created these rules and chains to put people in And 1182 01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:51.519 while we did have you know, men burned as witches, 1183 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.960 it was predominantly women. It was the path to witchcraft 1184 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:57.559 has been paved in women's blood. And that is just 1185 01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.519 any any of the ancient Christian writers like you know, 1186 01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:08.199 Thomas Aquinas and Tactics, they're all it's all men who 1187 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.639 want power. That's what makes me. It's it's not the religions. 1188 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:16.079 Christianity probably could be a good religion if used properly, 1189 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:18.639 and I know people who do use it properly for sure, 1190 01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:23.400 you know, so I would say from the more academic 1191 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.519 which side of me, I get angry at the history 1192 01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:28.719 and not so much the religion. 1193 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.639 That makes sense. Well, and you just mentioned it. 1194 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:34.559 I wanted to ask you this, what are your thoughts 1195 01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:38.320 on like is there is it is a Can a 1196 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:41.119 witch be a male also? Or should they be going 1197 01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:43.280 by a different title or does it not matter? Does 1198 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.960 it not only mean woman or female? 1199 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.079 I think Okay, First of all, if you pay attention 1200 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:50.440 to my channel, you'll know that I do take a 1201 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:56.760 very feminist approach to things. However, I do believe men 1202 01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.000 can be witches. It's a title that has been reclaimed. 1203 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.159 And you don't know which ever called themselves a witch. 1204 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.280 So and as far as I mean, even first century, 1205 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.800 you know, there's documentation of the Druids, and the Druids 1206 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:14.440 were predominantly male, and there's you know, one account of 1207 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.079 the Druids fighting off the Romans and running between them 1208 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:21.960 were the priestesses. So men have always been an incredibly 1209 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.440 integral part of our spirituality. And again it's the balance 1210 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:29.000 you need the male and the female. So if a 1211 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.760 practitioner is male, and if if I let them into 1212 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.800 my life in some way, and I feel like they 1213 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:39.239 have balance and reverence for female power, which has been 1214 01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:43.679 so oppressed historically. You know, if that respect is there, 1215 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.480 then absolutely, you know, out of balance is the problem 1216 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:49.239 as long as we're balanced. But we have to have 1217 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:50.239 male and female and. 1218 01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:52.599 Yeah, okay, I like it. 1219 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:53.400 I like it. You know. 1220 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.840 I always felt kind of weird saying that I was 1221 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:59.400 into witchcraft and stuff like that. I'm like, I mean 1222 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:02.000 and not like in a like gay or anything like that, 1223 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:05.440 you know what I mean, Just like, am I using 1224 01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.039 the wrong title for this stuff? 1225 01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:07.280 You know? 1226 01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.280 Yeah? I find that men who are uncomfortable with the 1227 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:16.840 word which call themselves occultists usually magicians, if they're you know, 1228 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:20.360 on the Norse path or yeah, or Druid, they'll they'll 1229 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:25.519 pick a male title which is kind of more associated 1230 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:27.880 with men, but which which is gender neutral. 1231 01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:30.880 We did a show on Druid, on the Druids and 1232 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:34.639 just you know, uncovering what was left as far as 1233 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:38.639 the information about them and people that are that are 1234 01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.880 kind of into like this neo Druidism, which I find 1235 01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:45.119 very interesting, kind of getting back to the roots of 1236 01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.400 you know, getting back with nature and working with the 1237 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.719 elementals and stuff like that. I just find it so fascinating, 1238 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:54.360 like and people that have a problem with neo anything, 1239 01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:54.920 I'm like. 1240 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:57.920 Hey, look if if information is lost, I'm like, I 1241 01:04:57.960 --> 01:04:59.199 don't know why you have. 1242 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:04.360 You're just connecting spiritually through a specific lens at that point. 1243 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:07.519 Yeah, when you when you were doing the show and 1244 01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:08.519 the Druids, did you have a. 1245 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.880 Druid on No? No, that was just like our own research. 1246 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:18.199 Oh okay, because there's, uh, there's all this archaeological evidence 1247 01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:22.320 of the Druids and some of the contemporary accounts, and 1248 01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:23.960 they would say, you know, it take a druid twenty 1249 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:27.239 years to learn their craft. And I always remind that 1250 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:28.880 to which is when they want to be witches, and 1251 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:32.480 like you take would take a druid twenty years. But 1252 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:35.960 one of my most popular videos I did was about 1253 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:39.199 how the druids would whisper in their spells into their hands, 1254 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.960 and the right hand is for the kind of authority 1255 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.400 and the left hand is for the unseen right. So 1256 01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:47.360 if it's with the right hand, left hand path kind 1257 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.599 of thing, but you know, you whisper into the hand 1258 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:51.960 three times and you would like run your hand over 1259 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:55.119 the thing that was missing where you last saw it. 1260 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:57.119 I did that at the end of the TikTok and 1261 01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.159 it like blew up. I was like, everyone's going to 1262 01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:03.280 see this TikTok and then I went like this, what crazy. 1263 01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:09.559 That's just be careful with that power. Because one time 1264 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:11.800 there was a woman who always gets in front of 1265 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:13.880 me when I'm trying to get out of my neighborhood. 1266 01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:15.679 And one day I was so mad at I was like, 1267 01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:18.920 you will not get in my way again. And then 1268 01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:20.880 I was like, after I thought about it, and I 1269 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:23.639 was like, Okay, should have been more specific about why 1270 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:25.559 she wouldn't be in my way again, because like, next thing, 1271 01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:30.039 I know, she could break a leg or right, she's 1272 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:33.760 healthy still, so but she hasn't gotten in my way. 1273 01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:36.480 She looks out her window just waiting for you to 1274 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.360 pull out time. 1275 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:45.360 Yeah, yeah, I've seen you talking about, Yeah, maybe the 1276 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:50.280 use of like specific herbs, and that's something that we've 1277 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.400 kind of glanced over a little bit in passing over 1278 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.320 the past couple of years. But what would you suggest, 1279 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.079 like maybe a starter that is, you know, trying to 1280 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.880 perform a rich or do a spell or something like that. 1281 01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.280 What are like some starter herbs if you will. 1282 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.440 Well, I would always say like whatever's in your kitchen 1283 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:13.280 is enough to start with. You know, we have to 1284 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:17.880 think that what were our answer astors using that You 1285 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:20.840 definitely have cinnamon in your cupboard, You have salt, you 1286 01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:25.639 have rosemary, thyme, basil, dill, like all these things are 1287 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:29.239 so powerful in them, you know, on their own. Coffee 1288 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.760 you can use to amplify a spell. Cloves, clothes are 1289 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:36.559 good for baneful magic or you know, benevolent magic, and 1290 01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:40.599 so it's all there in your cupboard. Now. I just 1291 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:45.119 I edited a witchcraft book by Messi Magic called an 1292 01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.159 A to Z Guide to Ingredients, and that is such 1293 01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:52.960 a straightforward guide. A to Z Ingredients tells you the name, 1294 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:55.599 what it does, you know, and then in the back 1295 01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.320 it explains uses and it's just so simple. It starts 1296 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:03.000 at home because you're not gonna have a nerd from 1297 01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:07.679 Africa in Tennessee, you know. So you might want that 1298 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.199 for working, go go ahead and get it if you 1299 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.159 want to, But I'm telling you that the cupboard, the 1300 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:13.599 stuff in your cupboard is going to be just as 1301 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:14.599 good for now. 1302 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:17.079 Oh yeah, because ultimately, I mean that was kind. 1303 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.720 Of the way of the eclectic, which you know, they 1304 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:21.319 just gather what's around them, and. 1305 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:22.239 So yeah, that makes sense. 1306 01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.960 Yeah, yeah, that almost makes me wonder. 1307 01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:28.800 Like, I got some Tony Sassari's in the cupboard right now, 1308 01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:29.880 what would that be good for. 1309 01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.800 It's a little spicy, you know, Yeah, you could. 1310 01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:40.039 You could use it to jinx or hext somebody if 1311 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.720 if somebody's upset you maybe, Oh. 1312 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:47.079 Watch out, don't be pissing me off, Sean, I'm about 1313 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:47.640 to find out. 1314 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:51.800 The thing is is that the theory of the plant 1315 01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:54.560 tells you what to do with it, right, So if 1316 01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:57.960 you've got something spicy, you can use that in a 1317 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.760 working with bite, you know. And that's why a clove, 1318 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.359 which is a dried flour, can be both baneful and 1319 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.079 benevolent because it is hot if you put them in 1320 01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:10.720 your mouth, but they also numb you and heal your toothache. 1321 01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:17.479 So like a sunflower is obviously not a baneful plant. 1322 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:22.680 But then you've got other things you can use, like 1323 01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:28.960 stinging nettle if you're trying to make somebody uncomfortable, give 1324 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.239 them an illness, maybe some allergies. 1325 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.560 Oh interesting, you know what I'm every time. So, before 1326 01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:39.199 I was a full time podcaster, I used to work 1327 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.800 for Uber Eats. I was like delivering food and whatnot right, 1328 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:46.399 And every time I walked up on somebody's house and 1329 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.920 I saw that they had like a rosemary bush or 1330 01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:50.560 something like that, I would be like. 1331 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.039 Man, that smells so damn good. 1332 01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:53.439 I want to plant some of that in front of 1333 01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:55.079 my house because it kind of smells like weed, and 1334 01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:58.399 that's one of my favorite smells. And so what would 1335 01:09:58.439 --> 01:09:59.840 you use rosemary for? 1336 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.439 Okay, so there's a thing in the which community where 1337 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:07.840 they say you can use rosemary's as a replacement for everything. 1338 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.479 That is not true. It is not an ubiquitous like 1339 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.680 all around plant. But like rosemary, you can use for protection, 1340 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:21.960 but in a positive way, right, So it'll deflect bad energies, 1341 01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.399 welcome in good energies. You can use it for luck, 1342 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:29.279 you can use it for love, like it's rosemary is. 1343 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:33.479 There's so much soul in rosemary, you know. And same 1344 01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:35.520 thing with like basil, you would use basil, and like 1345 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:40.479 money workings and dil, you can use the money workings. 1346 01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:43.079 Catnip would be great in money workings, especially when you're 1347 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:49.159 wanting high energy activities, you know, going into sales. So catnip. 1348 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:51.680 That sounds about right. 1349 01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:54.640 I actually went to go write something down just so 1350 01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:56.800 I wouldn't forget, and then it's sent and I'm like, 1351 01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:58.520 all right, well, I guess I'll just bring it up now. 1352 01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:04.000 The Do you have any favorite grimoires or anything that 1353 01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.279 you like to dabble into with, you know, maybe more 1354 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:10.840 ancient stuff or any even of the newer style grimoars 1355 01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:11.119 at all. 1356 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.319 Well, I read a lot, Like I have a library 1357 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:19.600 I have. I have to start keeping spreadsheets because I 1358 01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:22.840 have over like two hundred and fifteen witchcraft and academic 1359 01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:25.760 books on my shelves, and I always bring doubles. It's 1360 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:30.680 a lot, So I don't know. Okay, Honestly, the favorite 1361 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.079 one is crazy because it's Wika. But I love the 1362 01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:35.640 Raymond Buckland's Big Blue Book because it was my first 1363 01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:38.399 one I ever had, and it's got really good info 1364 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:40.920 in there. It's got bad info, lots of bad info, 1365 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.600 but really good info. It's got like the Witch's alphabet, 1366 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.479 and it talks about the importance of circles in witchcraft 1367 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:53.000 and all these like core foundational things that I feel 1368 01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:55.520 like is missing a lot in the teachings. Now. The 1369 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:57.399 problem is you can't just hand that to a new 1370 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:01.520 practitioner because it's also very dog and heavy on the 1371 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:05.399 religious aspect of Wiccas. So if you can separate the two, 1372 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:06.199 it's a good book. 1373 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:07.920 So is that what you would say would be the 1374 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.079 thing that you would need to discern as far as 1375 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:12.359 because you said there was kind of bad information like 1376 01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:15.000 something like us that's just like wanting to open it up, 1377 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:16.800 and like how do we know what the bad information is? 1378 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:20.119 So just you would know, you would know, you would know. Yeah, 1379 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:24.640 because it's again it's very you can fulfiel the religion 1380 01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:28.479 and so okay, and the ceremonial religion. But like the 1381 01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.800 book The Crooked Path is so good for new beginners 1382 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:37.600 because it's you know, it encompasses bringing in everybody and 1383 01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:41.239 finding your own way. The American Folk Magic Book. I 1384 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:45.039 love that book, very very good book as well, especially 1385 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:49.079 because we're in America so we can start here, you know, okay, 1386 01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:51.439 getting lost in Europe. 1387 01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:54.119 Yeah, yeah, I'm probably a little bit easier to read 1388 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:57.760 at that point. Yeah, speaking of dogmatic things, and we've 1389 01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:01.239 had some people have their opinion on this, but I'm 1390 01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:02.880 curious about what your opinion is. 1391 01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:04.560 What what do you think. 1392 01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:08.600 About the like the the rule of three, like whatever 1393 01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:10.960 you do, it'll come back to you threefold. 1394 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.960 No, No, No, I don't believe in that at all. No, 1395 01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:18.000 that's uh, that's you know that that goes with either 1396 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:20.920 the Wick and read or the Wick and principles or 1397 01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:26.119 the law of karma, which again isn't which it's not 1398 01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:31.000 European witchcraft. You know, karma is not ours to claim. 1399 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.000 I do believe that there can be consequences for an action, 1400 01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:37.159 but no, I don't believe in the rule of three 1401 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.800 and things coming back. What I do believe, and what 1402 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:45.279 you know has been evidence in in archaeological finds, is 1403 01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:50.199 that if the gods or your spirits believe that the 1404 01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:55.640 working is unjustified, then there will be consequences from them. 1405 01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.880 So if you know, in Irish witchcraft, if you do 1406 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.800 working on somebody that is not just then you end 1407 01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:06.000 up with like three marks on your face, which indicates 1408 01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:10.159 the ancestors are unhappy with you. 1409 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:14.479 Oh wow, Well that that just dives right into the 1410 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:19.000 next one. So as far as all right, we've had 1411 01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:23.000 multiple people on the show magicians mainly practicing the Left 1412 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:25.880 Hand Path and black magic and stuff like that, who 1413 01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:30.159 you know are kind of big fans of sacrifice and 1414 01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:35.159 you know, JS Garrett is one that he actually does 1415 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:40.199 it full time he sacrifices chickens to certain demons for anybody, 1416 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:42.880 you know, and usually it's for healing for the most part. 1417 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.279 But what are your thoughts on sacrifice? And it doesn't 1418 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.279 even necessarily need to be of an animal or anything 1419 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:51.079 like that, but just sacrifice in general. 1420 01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:55.840 I think that if it's part of a practitioner's path, 1421 01:14:55.840 --> 01:15:00.000 and I don't see anything wrong with it, because nine 1422 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.680 times out of ten it's it's happening in a more 1423 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:05.319 humane way than the way we get our meat at 1424 01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:09.399 home exactly. You know, people have pet snakes that they 1425 01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:12.520 feed mice to all the time. How is that different 1426 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:14.800 than a witch dropping a mouse into a jar of 1427 01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:16.199 water to make war water? 1428 01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:18.039 Oh wow? 1429 01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:23.479 You know there's I don't personally do do any animal sacrifices, 1430 01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:28.359 but I am not against people who do. And you know, 1431 01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:31.439 there's so many living traditions today like the one you 1432 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.279 you know, the person you mentioned who does it, and 1433 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:38.960 a lot of African religions do it, Ifa Yoruba, Haitian, Voodoo, 1434 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:44.239 so Paulo Miambi. They all sacrifice things and there's it's 1435 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:48.000 it's about reciprocity, you know. Sometimes they sacrifice the thing 1436 01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:53.399 and eat it after typically that's what happens. If not, 1437 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:56.720 then parts of the animal are used in some way. 1438 01:15:57.319 --> 01:15:59.720 I don't know. We can't have a factory farming world 1439 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:03.760 and get real sticky about sacrificing an animal for spiritual purposes. 1440 01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:07.800 I just I agree. Yeah, yeah, good, good thought there. 1441 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:08.279 I like that. 1442 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.760 So I got a couple more questions here. What are 1443 01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:16.359 your thoughts on psychedelics. Have you ever used for any 1444 01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.319 of your spells or rituals or just out of curiosity? 1445 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:22.079 Do you feel like it amplifies anything at all? 1446 01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:29.560 Okay, so, m yes, yes it does. I believe it 1447 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:30.640 opens doorways. 1448 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.039 Yes, then I feel like we already kind of knew that, 1449 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:34.640 you know what I mean. 1450 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:37.600 It's almost obvious when you stare up into the sky 1451 01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:40.960 and it's just magic happening. It's rolling around. It's like, okay, 1452 01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:43.119 something's going on. There's a little extra something. 1453 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:43.880 M hmm. 1454 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:50.359 Yeah, So I do think that. I mean, priestesses and 1455 01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:55.159 priests historically have always used substances to journey to the 1456 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:57.880 other side and you know, connect with the other side, 1457 01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:01.960 and even without substances like fasting, for example, that also 1458 01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:06.199 puts you in an altered more like lucid dreamy state. 1459 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:09.079 They would fast for three days and then try and connect. 1460 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.239 So it's it's just another tool that can be used 1461 01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:13.840 by a practitioner. But yeah, I do. 1462 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:16.119 It's my favorite. It's my favorite one. Yeah, my favorite. 1463 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.840 Cool which on which one's your favorite? 1464 01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:21.079 Mushrooms? 1465 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:24.640 Yeah, yeah, I haven't done that. I haven't done mushrooms 1466 01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.520 since high school. Then we hit accidentally hit a porcupine, 1467 01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:28.439 So that was the last time. 1468 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:28.920 Dude. 1469 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:30.479 I I don't know. 1470 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:32.239 I'm not a I'm not a super huge fan of 1471 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:34.800 mushrooms at all anymore. They just last too damn long. 1472 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:37.159 I'm not trying to be tripping for seven or eight hours. 1473 01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:39.560 That's who has that kind of time. 1474 01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:39.800 You know. 1475 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:44.640 That's why we have a another psychedelic that we prefer. 1476 01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.199 It's kind of it's called four Aco d MT. It 1477 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:52.399 only lasts like three hours or something like that, four something. Yeah, 1478 01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:55.079 But whenever we do it, you know, we'll be tripping 1479 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.039 for a little bit and then we'll we'll double the 1480 01:17:57.079 --> 01:17:58.399 dosage after a couple of hours. 1481 01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:00.359 So that's why I arrist in the longer, right. 1482 01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:03.680 Yeah, But yeah, no, I I do believe that it 1483 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.960 opens a doorway, but I think it's also such a 1484 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:12.760 touchy conversation right with you know, people and things that 1485 01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:17.199 they misuse or perhaps don't source properly. So but I 1486 01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:21.640 mean it's the ayahuasca market is booming obviously. 1487 01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:26.119 So for sure, Well, I feel like we would be 1488 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:29.720 pretty remiss if we did not ask you for you know, 1489 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:35.920 maybe simple spells or rituals that are easy for a 1490 01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:37.239 beginner of sorts. 1491 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:40.479 Okay, is there a certain outcome that you're interested in? 1492 01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:46.079 Uh, what do you suggest? You had mentioned the invisibility one. 1493 01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:48.279 I have a good one. I have a good one, okay. 1494 01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:52.800 So this, yeah, this one's a good one. So it's simple, okay, 1495 01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:55.279 And it was a mentory head when I was younger. 1496 01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:59.319 He was from Trinidad. He practiced risha, and uh, he 1497 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.359 told me that spell. So when you're in the heat 1498 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:05.000 of a moment, in an argument or some type of 1499 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:09.159 awful thing is happening, stress, whatever, you go to the 1500 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.159 sink or anywhere, you get a cup of water, and 1501 01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:14.560 then you take that cup of water and you go outside, 1502 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:17.239 give me day night whatever. You have to stand facing 1503 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:20.960 your home or the building, and you know you're back 1504 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:24.159 to the away, and you hold the cup of water 1505 01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:25.880 in your hand and you whisper into the water what 1506 01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.800 you want to happen, and then you fling it over 1507 01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.760 your left shoulder and then you stamp your foot once 1508 01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:36.399 and you say it's done, and then that argument will 1509 01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:40.319 be over. The person will call you the thing stops 1510 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:43.640 it stops it. And I've done this so many times 1511 01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:48.199 in my life, especially in like chaos moments. It's wild. 1512 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:50.920 You could be like, say, you're you're in a fight 1513 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:53.039 with your significant other and they've left the house and 1514 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:55.119 you just want them to come back. The phone will 1515 01:19:55.199 --> 01:20:00.479 ring like within five minutes. It's an incredibly fast working spell. 1516 01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.000 And it's in my on my TikTok page. I've got 1517 01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:05.880 a playlist somewhere with the spells in there, and that 1518 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:07.039 one I've talked about. 1519 01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:09.680 So wow, so simple too. 1520 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:13.399 No, Yeah, the simplest ones, honestly are the most effective 1521 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:18.000 and the most empowering ones are the ones that happen fast. 1522 01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:20.920 You know, you can do money working, you can do 1523 01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:24.600 something that's long term, that's very ritualistic. But I'm telling you, 1524 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:28.239 when you do something like a whisper spell and it happens, 1525 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.479 then that just reaffirms that you're on the right path 1526 01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:34.239 and you believe it and that's it makes you stronger. 1527 01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:36.520 Wow, oh that's so cool. 1528 01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:38.760 Heightens that intuition and faith a little bit too, I 1529 01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:43.319 would imagine. Yeah, yeah, just out of curiosity. And we've 1530 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:46.960 asked you know, other people you know that practice in 1531 01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:50.920 the craft or the occult, just to see what you know, 1532 01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:54.680 your feelings on it are. What are your thoughts on, 1533 01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:59.720 like where are these spirits and guides and gods and 1534 01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:02.439 all that that stuff. Where are they existing? Is it 1535 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.920 like in the in the ether? You know, like are 1536 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:08.600 they around here all wait, like all the time? Do 1537 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:09.600 you believe that they're up. 1538 01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:11.560 In the sky or down below or what are your 1539 01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:12.359 thoughts on all of that? 1540 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:17.319 I believe they are parallel with us. They are. It's 1541 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:21.479 it's a dual existence. And again, like I mentioned with 1542 01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:25.880 the Celtic spirituality and and beliefs, they believe that the 1543 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:29.800 spirits live in the land. You don't go to heaven, 1544 01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.079 you go to the underworld. And the underworld is awesome, 1545 01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.159 you know, tiernanog is amazing and well, no, maybe there's 1546 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:39.079 a little bit. No, it's good. There's different versions of it, 1547 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:44.840 but but yeah, yeah, there's one. Just like I think 1548 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.239 I said something about Valhalla being good and someone said, no, no, 1549 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:51.039 it's just too much fighting. There there was a different 1550 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:55.720 place the Heathens go. I'm not super versed in Norse paganism, 1551 01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:59.119 but but uh no, I feel like it's it's with us, 1552 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:02.039 it's level with us, you know, Like I can feel 1553 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.119 my spirit gits if my great grandmother she's here, she's 1554 01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:08.279 not up. There's never been an up for me, and 1555 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:10.159 never felt that way. They're here. 1556 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.680 It seems like that, And especially more we dive into, 1557 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:17.800 you know, like quantum physics and understanding the light spectrum 1558 01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:21.159 and what our capabilities are at seeing and feeling and 1559 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:25.159 all this stuff, we are so extremely limited on, you know, 1560 01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:28.199 just the tools that we have to be able to 1561 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:28.760 pick up. 1562 01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:30.079 What may be around us, you know. 1563 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:34.119 And and that's why I think that there are thousands 1564 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:38.800 and thousands of different religions and spiritualities because we're kind 1565 01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:41.159 of all just I don't want to say guessing, that's 1566 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:44.319 not right, but a lot of it's kind of has 1567 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:46.680 to be taken on faith. And just like you even 1568 01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:49.640 said earlier, it's almost like, you know, you feel silly 1569 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:51.840 at first because you don't see anything, and maybe you 1570 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:54.039 don't even feel anything at first, and so you kind 1571 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:56.000 of just have to take it on faith, and some 1572 01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:57.760 people just have a hard time with that. 1573 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:02.560 Yeah, being true and being authentic with yourself is really difficult. 1574 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:05.479 But and it feels silly at first because you don't 1575 01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:07.640 know what your own truth is half the time in 1576 01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:10.880 the beginning. But like I tell new, which is you know, 1577 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:12.880 if if you want to be a Christian, then you 1578 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:14.760 have to be part of that flock. And we are 1579 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.399 not sheep. We are a forest. We are diverse, we 1580 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:21.319 are wild, we're you know, filled with all kinds of things. 1581 01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:23.880 You can go be a sheep. It's really hard to 1582 01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:27.000 be a forest, but it's so much more fun, you know, 1583 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:30.359 it's so much more fulfilling to be the forest. 1584 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:34.800 Oh and finding you're finding your own way is man, 1585 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:37.920 it's a it's a journey. It's no longer you being 1586 01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:40.199 told what to do. But the but the fun part 1587 01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:43.439 about that is is that well, and sometimes the scary 1588 01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:46.000 part about it is is that the convenience of somebody 1589 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:47.720 telling you what is true and what. 1590 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:48.600 Isn't is gone. 1591 01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:52.199 It's You're You're the illuminating source that has to shine 1592 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.199 the light on the path at that point. And to 1593 01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:56.640 be honest, that's my favorite part, Like, I love just 1594 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:58.840 being able to feel around and find out what's real 1595 01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:01.640 and what's not, you know, at le from my perspective. 1596 01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:04.680 That's what Jesus did. And then he came and he 1597 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:06.920 told everybody about it, and they were like, yeah, cool, 1598 01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:09.199 let's go do what Jesus is doing. And that's what 1599 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:11.960 Christianity came about. So we if we just all just 1600 01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:15.000 try to be our own Jesus, you know, we don't 1601 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.600 have to have a flock, and then we're all good, 1602 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:19.199 you know, like he Jesus said, like I'm the light, 1603 01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:20.760 I'm the way. Yeah, he's the light. 1604 01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:22.399 You're the light too, right. 1605 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:23.960 It's a crazy concept. 1606 01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.479 Yeah, don't be saying that around the Christians though, you know, 1607 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:28.479 they get a little nancy. 1608 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:29.840 Oh I do know. 1609 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:32.159 That's probably why the kids aren't allowed to hang out 1610 01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:32.720 with my kids. 1611 01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:33.239 But whatever. 1612 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:36.359 Oh, I know this is something. I bring this up 1613 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:39.840 almost every time. Somebody's like, oh, God is all good 1614 01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:44.520 and he's all light. And I'm like Isaiah chapter forty five, 1615 01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:48.399 verse seven, I make peace and I create evil. 1616 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:52.159 He's all good, you know. I'm like, yeah, he says 1617 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:52.600 right there. 1618 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:52.880 Though. 1619 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:55.600 I just love it though, which. 1620 01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:57.720 Is actually it's interesting you know if you think about 1621 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.479 it that way, because I think we are the same. 1622 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:00.720 We are. 1623 01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:03.079 We are capable of being good, and we are also 1624 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:05.000 capable of causing destruction. 1625 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:08.920 And so if you ask me, you know, sure, you know. 1626 01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:12.840 People have great success in asking for help from some 1627 01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:14.199 higher source. 1628 01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:14.159 You know. 1629 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.319 But I'm gonna be honest, I don't even think we 1630 01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:19.880 need to. I think that we are capable just by 1631 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:21.560 ourselves when it comes to that. 1632 01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:24.880 Yeah, everybody has the ability for good and bad. And 1633 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:29.439 so when people try to say, oh, the Satanists, well, 1634 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.159 I mean, if you understood the Satanists, you wouldn't be 1635 01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:36.319 saying that. And honestly, the more devils are in your 1636 01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:37.479 churches in pews. 1637 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:43.399 So big facts, you know, we actually have coming up 1638 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:45.000 and we're going to be doing a show on it 1639 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.399 because I just love looking at all the pagan stuff. 1640 01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:49.079 To be honest with you, I think it's so much fun. 1641 01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:52.760 But and you had talked about WICCA a little bit, 1642 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:54.720 but and I don't know how to say it even 1643 01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:59.960 is it mabon or ma boon ma maybon? Okay, that's 1644 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:02.479 coming up? Which is I think it's like September twenty 1645 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.399 second this year or twenty third something like that. 1646 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:09.359 And whatever the equinox is, it shifts every year. 1647 01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:13.039 Do you do anything special on those kind of holidays? 1648 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:20.159 Well, Maybon is a Welsh it's a Welsh uh holiday 1649 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:22.680 on the wheel of the year. I am kind of 1650 01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:25.800 a lazy which sometimes I do not celebrate all of 1651 01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:30.880 the festivals. My the main one that I really recognize 1652 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:35.520 and honor is Sowen, and that is a big deal 1653 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.439 for me. And then you know, that's that's pretty much 1654 01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:41.600 that's my new year for me is Sowen, and I 1655 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:44.119 focus on that the rest. If I remember and I'm 1656 01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:46.800 in a good place and my kids aren't being you know, jerks, 1657 01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:50.680 and then I can focus. Yes, I would, you know, 1658 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.039 like whenever Bielt and it comes up, I'm like, okay, 1659 01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.279 let's lights and candles, you know, let's do this, and 1660 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.960 but no, Maybon maybe on I don't typically. I mean, 1661 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.000 and it is an equinox, so it deserves a candle, 1662 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.319 but it's it's more on the wealth Welsh path. 1663 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:08.680 I like it all right, Yeah, I mean we're trying 1664 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:10.760 to learn all about that kind of stuff and get 1665 01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:12.920 fully entrenched into all of it. 1666 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:14.720 I just and that's what we love about it. 1667 01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:16.760 Like you know, we we looked and we did a 1668 01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:21.319 show probably about a month ago on eclectic witchcraft, and 1669 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:23.800 that was just something that just highly resonated with us 1670 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:27.479 because you can kind of include whatever, really, I mean, 1671 01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:29.600 and that's what's amazing about it is that you can 1672 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:31.640 take a little bit from the Druids and a little 1673 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:35.359 bit from you know, even the Christians or you know, 1674 01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:38.760 witches or whatever, and it's just so cool to look. 1675 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:39.319 At it that way. 1676 01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:41.479 It's like, you know, we live in the day and 1677 01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:44.039 age to where we have access to all of the 1678 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:46.239 information that's out there, so you may as well kind 1679 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:48.520 of use it to your advantage at that point, right. 1680 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:51.960 Yeah. And even when a witch says they're not eclectic, 1681 01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:53.800 I mean we all are. We all are in some 1682 01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:56.439 little itty bitty way, you know, whether it be you 1683 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.239 have Mala beds because you like the crystal, or you're 1684 01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:04.560 using you know, the Nourse ruins for protection. You know, 1685 01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:07.479 there's always there's always something we're boring from someone else. 1686 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:12.119 But that's the way humans have always been. So I see, yeah, 1687 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:12.920 that's about right. 1688 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.000 All right, Well, we're I think we're coming up on 1689 01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:18.439 the end here now, and we do really appreciate you 1690 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:20.079 coming to hang out with us. It was really great 1691 01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:22.319 getting to know you, and thank you so much for 1692 01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:25.119 enlightening us, uh, you know on all the questions that 1693 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:25.520 we have. 1694 01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:27.439 It was really nice talking with you. 1695 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:29.000 Yeah, having me. 1696 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:32.479 But before we let you go, we usually do. 1697 01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:35.159 A Tarror reading towards the end of every show, and 1698 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:39.279 I feel like it would be an honor if you 1699 01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:42.000 were to do the Taroor reading for us usually. I mean, 1700 01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:43.800 it doesn't it doesn't have to be you know, any 1701 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.000 specific number. It could be one, two, three, cards, whatever 1702 01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:49.560 you're feeling, but it would be awesome if you could 1703 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:49.840 do that. 1704 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:54.760 Okay, see here, let's do so. I've been teaching on 1705 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:56.920 my channel traditional card reading. 1706 01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:02.119 Yeah, card tomancy, So let's do that. Let's do it. 1707 01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:04.359 Do we want to ask a specific. 1708 01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:06.600 Question, Sean? 1709 01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:09.760 I mean, I say, we just do one just for us, 1710 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:11.319 just for the collective, you know what I mean, just 1711 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:13.079 kind of a general reading, if you will. 1712 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:16.359 Okay, you let me no one to stop shuffling all 1713 01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:21.760 right now? Oh okay, Oh I hate no Sometimes when 1714 01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.000 you're shuffling and I'm like this and they say, now, 1715 01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:27.640 like I get like a pain in my chest. Finished, 1716 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:33.000 But okay, okay, we got six of Hearts, seven of Heart, 1717 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:36.159 six of Hearts, seven of Hearts, and Ace of Hearts. 1718 01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:40.840 So that is just all that is good news. That 1719 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:44.520 is good energy. The Ace of Hearts. That is like, 1720 01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:49.439 people are loving your show. You're having really good conversations. 1721 01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:55.359 It's you know, seven's can bring news and you're giving 1722 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:58.720 good news. So the sixes are like the six of 1723 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:01.359 Hearts is like again a celebrate of love. So we 1724 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:04.039 got three hearts here and I shuffle these real good 1725 01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:10.439 and I before so yeah, all the hearts. So that 1726 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.560 tells me that the group here in the community here 1727 01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:16.800 is loving your show and you guys are doing amazing 1728 01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:17.159 at it. 1729 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:19.000 So oh so awesome. 1730 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:22.600 Thank you. Yeah, that was that was great. Thank you 1731 01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:23.159 for doing that. 1732 01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:23.439 You know. 1733 01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:26.079 And we we did an episode on because I believe 1734 01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:26.840 that's called Cardo. 1735 01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:31.600 We did that. I was like last year or something like. 1736 01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:33.840 That is a minute that was like one of our 1737 01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:35.479 favorite shows that we did because we were like, oh 1738 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:37.319 my god, you can do it just with regular cards. 1739 01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:38.600 The course you can. 1740 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.439 I always say if I ever not that I would, 1741 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:43.760 but if I ever end up in prison, I'm going 1742 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:45.680 to have so much ramen because I can read the 1743 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:49.279 plane card, you know, oh, I've got a job in there. 1744 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:51.760 I got a thing I can do to get you know, 1745 01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:54.640 cause not that I ever would. It's never been in prison, 1746 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:55.560 so I don't think. 1747 01:30:56.479 --> 01:30:58.359 I've had that same thought though too. I'm like, oh, 1748 01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:00.920 I can do tattoos, it might be to do in prison. 1749 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:04.199 Yeah, I can't. 1750 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:05.960 I can't do any of that. I guess I'm just 1751 01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:06.840 somebody's bitching there. 1752 01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:09.279 Then yeah, you got to hold someone's bucket. 1753 01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:16.039 Yeah, like old t bag and prison break. Well, look, 1754 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:18.359 it was, uh, it was great talking to you. We 1755 01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:21.199 cannot hopefully you know you'd be interested in doing it again. 1756 01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:24.319 We love this kind of conversation. But uh yeah, if 1757 01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:26.520 you would, could you lead to all of the one 1758 01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:28.560 that's what we call our listeners, the one. Could you 1759 01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:31.479 let them know where they could find you? 1760 01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:33.199 You find on TikTok, Well you can find me all 1761 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:38.399 across every social never more period aries, never more dot aries. 1762 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:39.760 That's where I am everywhere. 1763 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:43.680 So yeah, all right, well we'll have that down in 1764 01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:47.319 the show notes below. And uh so yeah, typically what 1765 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:48.640 we like to do is we like to do a 1766 01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:51.880 meditation afterward. You don't have to feel obligated to stick 1767 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:54.760 around for that, So I know, that you you know, 1768 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:57.279 you got that e ad h D brain anyway, So. 1769 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:01.199 Yeah, and I got up for school in the morning. 1770 01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:04.560 Oh yeah, Well look, we really appreciate you hanging out 1771 01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:06.520 with us tonight and definitely can't wait to do it again. 1772 01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:07.720 Thank you for having me. 1773 01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:08.960 Thank you so much. 1774 01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:11.600 And I think this goes to show real quick you 1775 01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:13.600 know the power of manifestation, you know what I mean. 1776 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:15.640 We've been talking about this kind of stuff, getting into 1777 01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:18.119 the weird, the witchcraft and all of this, and focusing 1778 01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:21.039 our time and attention on that, and here we go. 1779 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:23.399 We have never more talking to us a witch. You 1780 01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:26.119 know what I'm saying, Like magic is real people. 1781 01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:28.399 Yeah, all right, if you're interested in more witches, I 1782 01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:31.279 have plenty of good names for you, all different kinds and. 1783 01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:37.319 Send them all. But uh yeah, all right, Tammy was 1784 01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:39.359 awesome hanging out with you. We'll definitely we'll see you 1785 01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:39.840 next time. 1786 01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:41.159 Bye. Thank you. 1787 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:45.840 She was great. 1788 01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:47.159 Yeah, she was great. 1789 01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:50.039 That was awesome. And then the card to Mancy right 1790 01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:50.880 there at the end. 1791 01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:54.680 Dude, I had a card pulled up to just in case, 1792 01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:56.159 you know, but I'm glad you did that. 1793 01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:56.720 That was cool. 1794 01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:58.520 I mean, you want to pull that bad boy out too. 1795 01:32:58.600 --> 01:32:59.479 Let's get double weird. 1796 01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:01.159 Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. Man. 1797 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.279 We got the moon, which is get out of here 1798 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:09.960 suiting what of cloon. When she's talking about the whole 1799 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:12.279 Mirrord thing, she's like, don't do it, don't do it. 1800 01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:14.600 I was thinking, yeah, maybe not everybody should do it. 1801 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:16.800 That's a weird thing. 1802 01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:18.479 That makes me want to do it even more. 1803 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:20.800 Now I kind of want to, you know, but I 1804 01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:22.800 feel like it took me. It took me like two 1805 01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:25.279 weeks to kind of get right, you know what I mean. 1806 01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:27.520 It'll mess with you a little bit bit. 1807 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:28.039 So. 1808 01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.560 The Moon is the eighteenth card on the Fool's Journey. 1809 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:34.000 It says the moon illuminates what has been hidden, bringing 1810 01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:36.359 it into light and asking you to listen to your 1811 01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:39.800 intuitive messages. The moon card is an invitation to confront 1812 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:42.279 your shadow self, or the dark elements of your essential 1813 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.159 being that are often suppressed. Your shadow self is not 1814 01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:48.359 to be feared, but rather embraced and integrated. Doing this 1815 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:51.920 allows you to heal what you deem unlovable or unacceptable 1816 01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:54.760 in yourself. On this card, we see a coyote and 1817 01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.800 a dog howling out a full moon, symbolizing our discomfort 1818 01:33:57.800 --> 01:34:00.960 with duality in the unknown. The coyote is the wild self, 1819 01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:04.159 while the dog represents our domesticated self. A crawfish in 1820 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:07.159 the river symbolizes the quest for the meaning of life 1821 01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:12.760 looking deeper and feelings of dissatisfaction with living a surface existence. 1822 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.760 The moon is positioned between the two towers first shown 1823 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.760 on the death card, representing the conscious and the unconscious. 1824 01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:21.680 Under the light of the moon, all is revealed. This 1825 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:25.880 includes the messages received in dreams and through intuition. What 1826 01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:28.800 is revealed may show you where you have been deceived, 1827 01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.760 most likely by your own perceptions. It is time to 1828 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.960 see the truth and situations clearly. 1829 01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:35.399 So awesome, dude. 1830 01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:37.920 We were just talking about this earlier today, Dude, like, 1831 01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:41.319 how powerful that is, the subconscious that's constantly. 1832 01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:42.680 Running, you know, and then it'll all of a. 1833 01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:45.119 Sudden just kind of highlight something and you're like, oh, 1834 01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:47.520 you know, right before recording two, I was listening to 1835 01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:50.439 shadow Boxing by Optimistic Banks Clutch. 1836 01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:51.680 Yeah, I love that song. 1837 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:52.399 Great. 1838 01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:56.720 He has a bunch of banger songs anybody, honestly, and 1839 01:34:56.800 --> 01:34:58.960 this is not even just because we're trying to promote him. 1840 01:34:59.079 --> 01:35:01.760 He legit has good music. Optimistic banks and so you 1841 01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:03.319 can go on Spotify or whatever. I mean, it's free 1842 01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:06.199 if you got Spotify to listen to. But dude, that 1843 01:35:06.199 --> 01:35:10.840 three three three song gets me every time. Meditation, shadow boxing, 1844 01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:13.279 like he has a lot. I'm like, how is this 1845 01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:16.000 dude not super famous because his music is actually really 1846 01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:16.560 fucking good. 1847 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.159 Dude, you know why, you know why? But let's not 1848 01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:23.439 go there. So conspiratorial or nothing? 1849 01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:25.079 Yeah? So, uh. 1850 01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:27.840 The spiritual message behind the moon cart is now is 1851 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:31.239 your time to examine self deception, fear, and shame. By 1852 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:35.000 working with your shadow self, exploring psychic development and dream 1853 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:37.640 work can help you reconnect to aspects of your inner 1854 01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:40.840 self that have been hidden. You're evolving and expanding your 1855 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:43.000 consciousness on your spiritual path. 1856 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:47.079 Dude, hidden but not like powerless, you know what I'm saying. 1857 01:35:47.079 --> 01:35:50.079 Like it's hidden, but it's still dictating a little bit 1858 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:51.920 of you, whether you know it or not. You know, 1859 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:54.680 And so when you highlight that and you go, oh, okay, 1860 01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:57.319 that's there, but it's not real, you know what I mean, 1861 01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:59.399 Or it doesn't need to affect me anymore, and then 1862 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:01.640 just add that to your daily grind dude, and just 1863 01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:04.319 I don't know, man, that that right there, I think 1864 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:07.239 is one of the most powerful things. And I'm really 1865 01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:10.920 trying to get entrenched into that, you know what I mean, bro? 1866 01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:12.600 All Right, So this is something. 1867 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:14.880 I'm happy you said that because it just reminded me 1868 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:20.039 of something just because we have, you know, sixty thousand 1869 01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:22.640 thoughts in a day, and sometimes we you know, we 1870 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:25.520 can't control our thoughts, but we don't necessarily have to 1871 01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:26.239 agree with them. 1872 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:27.279 And I feel like. 1873 01:36:27.319 --> 01:36:30.039 Whenever we tend to agree with our thoughts in an 1874 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:34.880 emotional kind of way, that that only heightens the possibility 1875 01:36:34.920 --> 01:36:36.920 of them happening, even the bad ones that you don't 1876 01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:40.279 want to happen. Right, And this is something dude, Dude, 1877 01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:43.359 I've done this for so long and I just like 1878 01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:48.680 recently realized that I was, you know, consciously doing it. 1879 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:52.640 And so and this is dude, I'm laying the sauce 1880 01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:55.880 out because I'm telling you, this shit works every single time, 1881 01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:59.520 knock on wood, but every time. 1882 01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:01.520 So if I have a thought that I. 1883 01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:04.720 Don't want or I don't agree with, or something that 1884 01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:06.600 I don't want to manifest in my life, and I 1885 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:09.119 feel like we all have them, right, not every one 1886 01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:11.960 of the sixty thousand thoughts are gonna be awesome. But 1887 01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.119 whenever I do, you know what I say, I think 1888 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:16.279 about that thought, I hold it in my mind and 1889 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:20.600 I just say out loud no, oh, and not like 1890 01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:23.800 a not like a no, please don't happen, but a no, 1891 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:26.520 as if it is coming from. 1892 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:28.319 The mouth of God authority. 1893 01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:32.279 Yes, in that sense, dude, I'm telling you, it works 1894 01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:33.800 every time. 1895 01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:34.520 Now. 1896 01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:36.560 I mean, it's not to say that every single one 1897 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:38.520 of my thoughts is going to manifest into reality. So 1898 01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:40.640 maybe none of them, or maybe some of them wouldn't 1899 01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:44.079 have come, you know, manifested in my reality anyway. But 1900 01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:46.439 I like to think that I'm I'm bettering the odds 1901 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:47.560 whenever I'm doing that, you. 1902 01:37:47.479 --> 01:37:49.960 Know, oh, absolutely absolutely, And think about this. You know 1903 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:52.359 how many times have you I mean, I can't speak 1904 01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:53.720 for you, but you know how many times have you 1905 01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:56.399 had a negative thought, you know, and agreed with it 1906 01:37:56.439 --> 01:37:59.039 even though you knew it was bullshit? You know what 1907 01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:01.800 I'm saying, Just like or whatever reason you're like, kind 1908 01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:03.359 of you kind of feed into that for a little 1909 01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:04.840 while and then it just kind of wrecks you for 1910 01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:06.520 a little bit until you finally get your head out 1911 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.199 of your ass and you're like, Okay, that's not me. 1912 01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:09.960 What was I thinking, dude? 1913 01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:12.520 In the in the crazy part about that is it's 1914 01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:15.640 it's almost like, you know, whenever we were younger and 1915 01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:17.840 we would watch the Matrix after a while and you 1916 01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:20.239 see Neo getting all the downloads and I know, kung 1917 01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:23.119 fu right yeah, and uh, at the time, it seems 1918 01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:25.920 silly because come on, that's not real, right, Like You're 1919 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:27.479 not just going to receive a download and all of 1920 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:30.199 a sudden become a kung fu master or something like that. 1921 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:34.319 But I'm starting to slowly think that we can almost 1922 01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:38.159 tap into that just by it, dude, just by believing it. 1923 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:40.680 First of all, I think it is the most important thing. 1924 01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:42.920 You have to believe that you can't because if this 1925 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:47.840 is a game, a matrix, something that isn't real in 1926 01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:51.720 the sense of what we deem real, then man, I 1927 01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:54.880 think that a lot of it just is almost embodying 1928 01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:58.159 what you want to be and what you want to become, 1929 01:38:58.800 --> 01:38:59.680 you know what I'm saying. 1930 01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:02.359 Than yourself back, which is ultimately the ego or the 1931 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.800 shadow self kind of kind of trying to keep you, 1932 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:07.279 keep you where you are rather than expanding. 1933 01:39:07.399 --> 01:39:09.560 And that's why that shadow work is so you know, 1934 01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:12.680 integral like you should be implementing that every single day. 1935 01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:16.319 And that's why meditation is so important, because you're going 1936 01:39:16.359 --> 01:39:19.600 into the deep waters of your own recesses, of your 1937 01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:23.840 own subconscious whenever you're meditating, right, and and it doesn't 1938 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:24.279 have to be. 1939 01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:25.600 For an hour at a time. 1940 01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:28.760 You can you know, like that last shoot, that last 1941 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:31.159 meditation we just did on four hundred and thirty two Herds, 1942 01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:34.000 I could have stayed there for hours on. 1943 01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:34.600 Some real shit. 1944 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:35.279 That was great. 1945 01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:38.880 Oh, white boy Wizard, that's Optimistic Banks. We've had him 1946 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:40.000 on the show a couple of times. 1947 01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:43.119 Dum dude, love that guy. 1948 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:48.079 It's opti and then mystic as in like a say chemistic, right, 1949 01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:49.840 so good. 1950 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:53.479 Definitely go check it out. He's awesome. But anyway, yeah, 1951 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:54.760 I think she was great, dude. 1952 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:57.319 I can't wait to do uh that show again with 1953 01:39:57.399 --> 01:40:01.199 her because very insightful. And I just love bookworms like that, 1954 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:04.680 you know, like people who have just soaked it all 1955 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:07.279 up like a sponge. I just you know, and that's 1956 01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:09.119 all we want to be in front of those kind 1957 01:40:09.159 --> 01:40:10.439 of people and just be sponges. 1958 01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:13.520 Ultimately, just trying to get the closest with that we 1959 01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:14.319 can to the truth. 1960 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:16.039 Man. That's all. Man, that's it. 1961 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:16.760 That's it. 1962 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:19.479 So all right, well I think we're gonna wrap it 1963 01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:23.399 upright there. We're gonna get over to the meditation. I 1964 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:25.479 don't know what kind of meditation we're doing yet, but 1965 01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:26.199 it'll come to us. 1966 01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:27.199 It'll be a surprise. 1967 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:28.600 It will be a surprise. 1968 01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:33.760 But anyhow, yeah, look if oh, look, something else I 1969 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:34.479 wanted to say too. 1970 01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:36.199 This is a live show. 1971 01:40:36.279 --> 01:40:37.720 If you want to be a part of this live show, 1972 01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:39.920 then go over to patreon dot com slash Meta Mysteries. 1973 01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:41.399 That link is down the show notes below. It's the 1974 01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:43.000 best way to be able to support us. You can 1975 01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:46.199 sign up for a tier that gives you access to 1976 01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:49.680 be able to slide into our dms and watch all 1977 01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:52.560 the videos. 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No, we're not quitters over here. 1996 01:41:41.239 --> 01:41:43.560 Till death do we part from this show. 1997 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:44.520 That's right. 1998 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:48.640 So yeah, definitely come check out the live shows for 1999 01:41:48.680 --> 01:41:52.439 anybody that's listening to this the following day or whenever 2000 01:41:52.439 --> 01:41:54.560 you may be listening to it. We're also on YouTube, 2001 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:56.840 YouTube dot com slash Meta Mysteries if you want to 2002 01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:59.279 go watch it over there. If you're somebody that listens 2003 01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:01.119 to it on spot or you listen to it on 2004 01:42:01.159 --> 01:42:04.239 the Cult of Conspiracy podcast or the Metamisteries podcast, and 2005 01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:07.199 you know, hey, whatever you prefer, we're trying to, you know, 2006 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:10.359 put it out everywhere and try and get the one. 2007 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:11.560 To be a bigger one. 2008 01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:12.479 You know. That's it. 2009 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:13.479 That's all we're trying to do. 2010 01:42:14.199 --> 01:42:16.000 And if you would, also, if you're listening to it 2011 01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:18.680 on Spotify or Apple, if you could leave us say 2012 01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:21.439 some five stars and some reviews, that really helps pump 2013 01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:24.279 up the algorithm. I actually just recently went and checked 2014 01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:27.319 the reviews. Holy shit, we're getting a lot of really 2015 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:32.039 good reviews, really, like, like almost majority five stars. 2016 01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:35.000 That's great, it's awesome, except for that one minus one 2017 01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:37.079 star that you got somehow. I don't even know how 2018 01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:38.560 you do with mine. I didn't even know they had 2019 01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:40.199 that feature. But it's interesting. 2020 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:41.000 Hey, just go hate. 2021 01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:42.800 I don't think you deserve it, That's what I'm saying. 2022 01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:45.960 Well, you know, to that person, I do, that's okay, 2023 01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:48.479 that's okay, a little baneful magic's coming your way, buddy. 2024 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:53.439 Oh shit, target practice, as Lord Byron likes to say, 2025 01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:57.920 not in a literal sense, just in a magic sense. 2026 01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:01.279 So anyhow, all right, are gonna bust up out of here? 2027 01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:03.199 Go over to the meditation. 2028 01:43:03.399 --> 01:43:06.600 But look, if never more aries came here and she 2029 01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:10.000 taught you anything, it's that you don't know what you 2030 01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:10.800 don't know. 2031 01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:15.000 I don't just get weird, stay weird. 2032 01:43:16.840 --> 01:43:26.840 Side ordinary because color swell and stars line. 2033 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:30.840 In the mentum mystery is your fun. 2034 01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:35.399 You just think, dude, that was that was really fun? 2035 01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:40.039 Actually yeah, I think when when she was talking about 2036 01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:41.680 like the offering and this and that, and I'm like, 2037 01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:43.880 oh shit, I already don't have an offering, you know, 2038 01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.520 And so I was like, well, I don't know. I 2039 01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:48.199 don't know if that ruined it for me or not, 2040 01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:50.600 you know, But to be honest, I don't know. I 2041 01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:52.479 don't know how I feel about the whole offering thing. 2042 01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:54.720 Oh you just got in your own way right there. 2043 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:54.960 Then. 2044 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:57.800 Yeah, I mean I felt I feel good, I feel relaxed. 2045 01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:00.000 But I didn't go on the ride, That's what I'm saying. 2046 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:03.680 I mean, my offering was my curiosity. That's kind of 2047 01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:05.439 how I looked at it. I was like, well, look, 2048 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:07.359 I don't want to give an offering. I don't even 2049 01:44:07.359 --> 01:44:11.359 know you yet, so my curiosity or my energy or whatever, 2050 01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:13.199 you know, I'm coming to spend a little bit of 2051 01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:14.800 time with you, and if I. 2052 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:16.960 Decide that I like you, then maybe I'll work with you. 2053 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:20.920 Kind of right exactly, Yeah, that was really interesting though, 2054 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:27.119 especially dude, the mind is a wonderful place whenever you 2055 01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:29.960 can have it guided to certain in a certain direction, 2056 01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:34.000 you know, because dude, it was just like, so I 2057 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:38.720 was able to picture the cave and then the green 2058 01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:43.520 grass and the you know, the fungus or whatever that's 2059 01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:47.000 all over it and everything. It just seemed very irish almost, 2060 01:44:47.119 --> 01:44:50.920 you know, and really good meditation even going in there. 2061 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:52.720 And she's like, well, yeah, you can see a light, 2062 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:54.680 and so you decided to go take a little peek, 2063 01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:56.319 and then you see that it's a fire, and you 2064 01:44:56.359 --> 01:44:58.920 see that it's actually a woman that's standing back there. 2065 01:44:58.760 --> 01:44:59.359 With red hair. 2066 01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:02.319 And I was like, I got a thing for redheads already, 2067 01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:05.760 so I'm already liking where this is going. And and 2068 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:07.720 she was like, you know, and then it was just 2069 01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:10.399 a conversation. Then you just follow her and you know, 2070 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:13.399 and to be able to see from that perspective as 2071 01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:17.239 a crow flying, or as a wolf running through the woods, 2072 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:20.119 or as an eel that is like swimming through the ocean. 2073 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:24.079 I'm like, man, it feels so real when you're doing it, though, 2074 01:45:24.359 --> 01:45:28.199 like if you allow yourself, dude, it is what a 2075 01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:29.000 journey that. 2076 01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:31.920 Is yeah, dude, And we talk about it all the time. 2077 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.880 Man, the mind being that that powerful, really creating that place, 2078 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:38.159 and you know, it feels like you're really there. 2079 01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:38.359 Man. 2080 01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:42.039 But Nick, I'm interested to see what happened. Did you 2081 01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:43.520 did you experience anything? 2082 01:45:43.720 --> 01:45:44.239 Did you go? 2083 01:45:45.760 --> 01:45:48.640 No? I did not, Nicholas, I'm gonna be honest with you. 2084 01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:52.079 I did not fully do the whole thing. That was 2085 01:45:52.079 --> 01:45:55.640 a fun one in the kitchen and handle some business. 2086 01:45:56.800 --> 01:45:57.159 That's OK. 2087 01:45:57.439 --> 01:45:59.439 Good, It's all good. I did want to ask you 2088 01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:03.479 a question, Nick. You know, I've I've been seeing this 2089 01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:05.920 uh this stuff about like a mother ship and all that. 2090 01:46:05.960 --> 01:46:07.600 I'm sure you guys have heard of all all of 2091 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:10.399 this talk, you know about something coming towards earth, like 2092 01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:12.960 what what? What do you know about that? I'm just 2093 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:14.720 glad that you're here because I wanted to ask you 2094 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:15.079 about that. 2095 01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:19.319 Probably nothing, to be honest, not that I don't know 2096 01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:22.960 anything about it. It's I don't think that there probably 2097 01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:28.399 anything is anything like the mothership that they're talking about 2098 01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:30.880 or will or could talk about on the news is 2099 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:34.319 not the one that is going to be anything that 2100 01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:39.560 is probably legitimate, especially if there's any kind of threat, narrative, 2101 01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:45.359 any kind of anything like that. The real truth is 2102 01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:50.720 is they're already fucking here, dude, they've been here at all. 2103 01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:52.600 I love it, I love it here. 2104 01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:55.000 So that's interesting how they try to do that though, 2105 01:46:55.079 --> 01:46:56.680 you know what I mean. They try to say, oh, well, 2106 01:46:57.000 --> 01:46:59.520 this scientist said that he thinks it's a mother ship 2107 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:01.560 because of this and that, and I'm like, why why 2108 01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:04.199 did they even go that route if you know what 2109 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:06.319 I mean, if they know it's not so. 2110 01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:09.560 I think Cab asked about that that thing that's coming 2111 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:12.560 right now, and apparently they said, it's just legit. It's 2112 01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:16.399 a comment, like yeah, it's some kind of comment or whatever. 2113 01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:21.920 But that last one, the muamua, the one that they found. 2114 01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:25.920 A few years back in like over in Hawaii. 2115 01:47:27.199 --> 01:47:33.720 According to the Pleadians, that one was actually uh a craft. 2116 01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:37.880 And that's this is where like a lot of the 2117 01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:40.119 confusion comes with, like the whole Lyrin thing. You know 2118 01:47:40.159 --> 01:47:42.840 that their cat people and this and that, Well turns 2119 01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:47.680 out Ama was from the Lyra area, but they're not 2120 01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:52.399 cat people, right, so like it was their craft. They 2121 01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:55.520 like apparently the way that they do it, they're a 2122 01:47:55.560 --> 01:47:58.800 little more. They had like a big giant craft with 2123 01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:00.920 like thousands of people on and that's the way they 2124 01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:02.239 like to travel as a society. 2125 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:04.119 And it's just a big ass, long. 2126 01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:07.479 Fucking school bust of a cruise ship basically, and that's 2127 01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:08.000 and that's. 2128 01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:08.600 How they do it. 2129 01:48:08.760 --> 01:48:12.800 And and they're like, you know, kind of more primitive, 2130 01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:15.960 I guess, in comparison to uh, a lot of the 2131 01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:19.720 other races like Palladians and Arterians and stuff like, they're 2132 01:48:20.239 --> 01:48:24.760 they're let there, the Lyrens, they're they're kind of like 2133 01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:26.880 I think, I think they're kind of like gray type, 2134 01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:29.119 you know, they're just kind of spindily small things. But 2135 01:48:29.159 --> 01:48:33.920 they're they're like more primitive, less advanced, and more three 2136 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:36.920 D oriented, if that makes sense, which is why we 2137 01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:40.000 can you know, they're sticking out like a sore thumb 2138 01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:42.600 and they're we're seeing their ship with our ship shitty telescopes, 2139 01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:45.399 right right, Yeah, that makes sense. 2140 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:45.720 Yeah. 2141 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:51.039 It's interesting though, how it even came upon the folklore 2142 01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:54.039 and the understanding that the Lyrens were cat people, because 2143 01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:56.479 that's what I always thought for the longest time. And 2144 01:48:56.520 --> 01:48:58.800 then you find out no, that like the cat people 2145 01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:01.159 are something else, like something else. 2146 01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:05.479 Entirely, and you know that so like that notion comes 2147 01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:07.319 from and the other reason that I know that or 2148 01:49:07.359 --> 01:49:08.159 even believe that. 2149 01:49:08.199 --> 01:49:09.960 Is because of Cab and Judith and them. 2150 01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:12.159 But like there's been so much stuff that they've been 2151 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:15.000 so right and that corroborates like or the rest of it. 2152 01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:16.840 It's like, Okay, well that makes sense. 2153 01:49:16.920 --> 01:49:20.600 But there is a huge amount of like ufology and 2154 01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:25.039 UFO like lore and stuff that's that's kind of arisen 2155 01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:29.319 over the past maybe twenty thirty years of people that 2156 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:35.039 have written certain books, and those kind of books gave 2157 01:49:35.159 --> 01:49:38.239 a lot of framework to people in like the spiritual 2158 01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:42.560 communities to like kind of like how you know, there's 2159 01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:46.119 so much inky and little stuff that all kind of 2160 01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:48.840 not that that any of all that stuff is wrong, 2161 01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:51.920 but it's like everyone looks through the lens of like 2162 01:49:52.039 --> 01:49:54.439 Zacharia Sitchen because he was the one to bring it 2163 01:49:54.560 --> 01:49:57.800 into the into the zeitgeist, and it's like all awareness 2164 01:49:57.840 --> 01:50:00.560 based off of that. Whenever they're there can be some 2165 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:03.600 truth to certain things, but like whoever kind of popularized 2166 01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:07.920 it and what they kind of said about it true 2167 01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:12.840 or not kind of you know, like makes people go 2168 01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:15.600 with that thing, and you can kind of like how 2169 01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:19.880 certain religions or whatever, you know, if you're you're Christian, 2170 01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:23.119 and you're probably gonna see see Jesus in your dreams 2171 01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:27.279 or or whatever because you're had that inclination and that 2172 01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:29.640 that kind of thing I think has happened in certain 2173 01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:32.319 regards when it comes to some of that information. 2174 01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:39.119 Yeah checks out. Yeah, I mean Pete said, hell a 2175 01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:41.680 nice meditation. The offering to me is more of a 2176 01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:43.960 thank you for the good time. That's kind of what 2177 01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:46.399 I It was somewhere along those lines. I was like, 2178 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:48.399 you know, I'm not trying to give an offering, not 2179 01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:51.039 that I wouldn't, but I don't know who the Morgan is. 2180 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.479 I don't even know you know what. 2181 01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:55.840 I would offer, although she suggested, you know what was 2182 01:50:55.840 --> 01:51:00.920 it like milk or red wine? Yeah, and I was thinking, man, 2183 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.279 I had white meat earlier, I had some pulpe chops, 2184 01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:08.760 so delicious. But yeah, that was that was really interesting 2185 01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:11.520 and it almost it. It really makes me want to 2186 01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:14.159 look into the Morgan even a little bit more. Might 2187 01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:16.000 have to see if there's a book or something. I'm 2188 01:51:16.039 --> 01:51:18.840 sure there has to be a book on the Morgan, right. 2189 01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:24.000 No, yeah, sure, captain what is that Captain Morgan? 2190 01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:26.239 Oh? 2191 01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:28.560 Yeah, you would think that she would get down a 2192 01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:31.760 little captain a little bit, you know, do the post 2193 01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:37.079 all right, Well, yeah, I guess we'll wrap it up 2194 01:51:37.119 --> 01:51:40.439 right there. That was a fun freaking episode. Tammy Ella 2195 01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:42.880 was the ship. Can't wait to do it with her again. 2196 01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:46.640 I love the whispering into the hand thing. That was 2197 01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:49.119 really cool. Like you can get imagine, you can like 2198 01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:50.279 imagine what you could do with. 2199 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:51.720 That, you know what I mean, dude? 2200 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:54.439 It makes sense because they say that, you know, you're 2201 01:51:54.920 --> 01:52:00.119 like spirit literally translates to breath, I think, and and 2202 01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:02.880 if it's just your breath and you're speaking it into 2203 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:07.199 existence within your words and you're just like, you know, 2204 01:52:07.279 --> 01:52:09.880 going like that, I could see that working. And obviously 2205 01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:11.520 I think that a lot of that is just really 2206 01:52:11.600 --> 01:52:14.279 like do you believe it works? Because if you believe 2207 01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:16.399 it works, then it probably is more. 2208 01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:19.199 Likely to work, right exactly, yep, exactly. 2209 01:52:19.359 --> 01:52:21.479 He does that whenever he like calls in those uh 2210 01:52:22.279 --> 01:52:25.159 you know, those butterflies or the eagles. Maybe he's like 2211 01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:27.560 whispering and then like he like he whispers to the 2212 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:29.399 butterfly in his hand, and then he sends it off 2213 01:52:29.439 --> 01:52:31.479 and the eagles come and say him, who does that? 2214 01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:36.520 Gandalf in the Hobbit, Oh, that. Oh that's right. 2215 01:52:36.840 --> 01:52:38.880 You know, I still have not seen all of those 2216 01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:40.840 Lord of the Rings movies. I seen the Hobbit, I 2217 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:42.600 saw the first Lord of the Rings. But that's it. 2218 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:47.520 If you're gonna do it, which you should just do start. 2219 01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:50.119 You can do it chronologically, and it's awesome. If you 2220 01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:52.960 just do all the Hobbit movies first and then and 2221 01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:56.560 then extended cut back to back all three Lord of 2222 01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:00.359 the Rings right after that, it's like eleven hours and 2223 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:01.359 it is a journey. 2224 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:02.600 Hey, eleven hours? 2225 01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:05.359 That name bad? Ay none? So ay none? 2226 01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:08.760 I mean, what is that on? Is that on HBO? 2227 01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:09.079 Or what? 2228 01:53:10.119 --> 01:53:12.159 I think they got that on HBO? Yeah? 2229 01:53:12.199 --> 01:53:14.279 Sweet, HBO got fucking everything, dude. 2230 01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:17.319 All right, well, yeah, I guess we'll bust up out 2231 01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:20.760 of here and uh, let's see what's next. I do 2232 01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:23.079 We have so much stuff lined up it's going to 2233 01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:23.760 be awesome. 2234 01:53:24.079 --> 01:53:26.319 Let me know, so I can try to play around 2235 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:27.359 sometimes to be missing. 2236 01:53:27.159 --> 01:53:28.840 The Oh yeah, oh yeah, I think we got the 2237 01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:32.239 one guy that does like the CE five stuff, right. 2238 01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:32.720 Yes. 2239 01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:36.520 The next Wonder Wednesday show is going to be with 2240 01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:40.039 a gentleman that gets a group together and goes out 2241 01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:42.720 in the desert and does the CE five and calls 2242 01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:47.119 specifically on certain types of aliens. So they'll go out 2243 01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:48.520 in the middle of the desert and they'll be like, 2244 01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:51.520 all right, today we're calling on you know, the the 2245 01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:54.840 Grays or today we're calling on whatever, right, and they 2246 01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:59.840 all have like a specific intention and gets results every time. 2247 01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:01.840 So if you want to go check. 2248 01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:04.039 Out there you go, Nick, that's the one. 2249 01:54:04.239 --> 01:54:06.279 Yeah, it's a week from today, if you want to 2250 01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:09.359 go check him out. He's on TikTok. His name is 2251 01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:12.840 orb Trek. He's an Englishman. 2252 01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:16.079 I think I imagine we would be doing something like that 2253 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:17.880 at some point, you know what I mean. 2254 01:54:18.199 --> 01:54:20.960 Just get I'm about to be out in the desert. 2255 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:24.399 Well now, oh yeah, yeah dude, I'm looking forward for that. 2256 01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:25.239 Weird dude. 2257 01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:28.119 But anyway, all right, yeah, we're for real. We're gonna 2258 01:54:28.119 --> 01:54:31.199 wrap it up this time. So we love you the one. 2259 01:54:31.239 --> 01:54:32.880 Thank you so much for hanging out with y'all or 2260 01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:35.159 with with us, and we'll see you all on the 2261 01:54:35.159 --> 01:54:35.720 flip side. 2262 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:36.560 I guess. 2263 01:54:39.239 --> 01:54:45.359 Voices drift on winds, untamed words like spells that can't 2264 01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:46.359 be named. 2265 01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:52.880 Close your eyes and feel the sound journey where no 2266 01:54:53.319 --> 01:54:56.479 bounds are found. 2267 01:54:57.600 --> 01:55:03.600 Side leave the ordinary, Far behind. 2268 01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:10.880 The colors, swirls and stars alive in the mental mysteries, 2269 01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:19.159 you'll find m HM