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Speaker 6: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me so stoked.
Speaker 5: About this conversation. We've been following your content on TikTok
Speaker 5: for a while now. I don't even know when it started,
Speaker 5: but every time I see one of your videos pop up,
Speaker 5: I just I'm glued. I need to see all of
Speaker 5: it because I just love learning all about you know,
Speaker 5: the witchcraft and magic, and I think that it's dude,
Speaker 5: I hate that it has such a stink to it
Speaker 5: because I think that it's natural to everybody, and even
Speaker 5: the people that don't know that they're doing it, they're
Speaker 5: still doing it right.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, Yeah, even accidentally, dude, that's something we just learned,
Speaker 8: you know, and it actually just makes sense. You know,
Speaker 8: if you're not pointing your mind or your magic or
Speaker 8: your energy in the way that you actually would prefer,
Speaker 8: and you're accidentally putting it on some bullshit, then of
Speaker 8: course that's what you're going to manifest.
Speaker 9: You're losing your energy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So could you tell us maybe a little bit about
Speaker 5: you how you got into this, as it's been something
Speaker 5: that you've been kind of practicing your whole life, or
Speaker 5: did you pick up on it later.
Speaker 7: Well, I am actually I'm I'm lucky. I wasn't. I
Speaker 7: didn't have to do any deconstructing from Christianity. I was
Speaker 7: raised in a house with an excommunicated Catholic father and
Speaker 7: a mother who was raised both Presbyterian and Catholic, and
Speaker 7: she hated it. So there was no religion in my
Speaker 7: house whatsoever. Nothing, And I was just really lucky that I,
Speaker 7: you know, my parents let me explore things and then so,
Speaker 7: you know, before the age of thirteen, we had some
Speaker 7: weird witchy books in the house that I would always read,
Speaker 7: and so I kind of got interested that way. But
Speaker 7: around age thirteen is when I really got into practicing,
Speaker 7: and when I got my first witchy book, and that
Speaker 7: was thirty years ago.
Speaker 5: So wow, at age thirteen, that's that's a pretty interesting
Speaker 5: number there to start there, you know what it is.
Speaker 7: It's and I've talked about this on my channel before,
Speaker 7: like it was when the movie The Craft came out
Speaker 7: that people really bought in to it, you know, and
Speaker 7: even though I'd been kind of dabbling in things before that,
Speaker 7: because you know, my grandmother was a tarot card reader
Speaker 7: and so I had kind of a beliefs around it.
Speaker 7: But then, I mean, was it ninety seven the Craft
Speaker 7: came out? Oh my gosh, I mean everybody just wanted
Speaker 7: me and my three friends went to the witchy store,
Speaker 7: we all got the witchy book, we all got these necklaces,
Speaker 7: and thirty years later, I'm still the only one practicing.
Speaker 7: They're all, you know, doing their own things now. But
Speaker 7: so many people in that time became witches or it
Speaker 7: became Wigan because of that movie.
Speaker 5: So oh yeah, that seems to be uh just about
Speaker 5: right too, because actually for Sean and I, both of us,
Speaker 5: we didn't have to as you were saying, neither one
Speaker 5: of us had to really go through that whole deconstruction
Speaker 5: at all. And you know, it's not like my parents
Speaker 5: were into any religion really, it was just we never
Speaker 5: really talked about it. I think we went to church
Speaker 5: twice my entire childhood, and that's only because their friends
Speaker 5: invited us, and and both times we went it was
Speaker 5: like it was cool, we get to hang out with
Speaker 5: the other kids, and it wasn't too preachery or anything.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it is that is that is such a
Speaker 5: valuable important thing to not have to tear everything down,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I feel like that is
Speaker 5: that's you know, almost.
Speaker 7: Prely curious, Like even though you weren't raised with religion,
Speaker 7: did you try and understand Christianity at all?
Speaker 6: Not really, not really.
Speaker 5: Not until I was in like my mid twenties, I
Speaker 5: tried to, you know, see what the whole thing was about.
Speaker 5: And I went to church for like a year just
Speaker 5: to try and see what the whole deal was, right,
Speaker 5: And so I'm going to church this entire year, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, everybody's saying that this is the truth.
Speaker 5: I need to figure it out for myself. I'm I've
Speaker 5: always kind of I don't know, maybe it's stubbornness or whatever,
Speaker 5: but I don't believe anybody else's word. I got to
Speaker 5: experience it for myself, you know. And so I went
Speaker 5: to go experience it for myself, and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, this stuff actually works. It's crazy, right,
Speaker 5: And I was like, holy shit. And and most people,
Speaker 5: I feel like, in that situation would just be like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, I found it and and this is what
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna stick with.
Speaker 6: In my mind, I was like, all right, I see
Speaker 6: that this works.
Speaker 5: I need to see if everything else works now, because
Speaker 5: if they're saying that this is the only thing that works,
Speaker 5: it's the only true way, right, I gotta find out
Speaker 5: what else is, what else is real, what else is fake?
Speaker 5: And yeah, I never turned back because I found out
Speaker 5: it's all.
Speaker 6: Real, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So when you find out that you're the battery
Speaker 8: that charges everything, you know, it's all you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: It's pretty amazing in that way.
Speaker 5: But just to get over the chat, Supermarket said, what
Speaker 5: up everyone, Supermarket?
Speaker 9: Good see you?
Speaker 5: The White Boy Wizard said, good evening, you lovely fuckers.
Speaker 9: Good to see you. Man.
Speaker 5: Taylor said, what's up? Happy Wednesday? Supermarket, he said, so lucky.
Speaker 5: I was at church twice every Sunday five years old
Speaker 5: to about fifteen years.
Speaker 6: Old, love of deconstruction going on there. Hated it, he said.
Speaker 5: Taylor said, I tried Catholicism as a freshman in high
Speaker 5: school and lasted maybe two years. Dude, I went to
Speaker 5: I went to one Catholic Mass one time, and I
Speaker 5: was like, this is the most cult shit I've ever
Speaker 5: seen in my life, right, Like, have you ever been
Speaker 5: to a Catholic Mass?
Speaker 9: Tammy?
Speaker 7: I have the funny Actually, so my family, my in
Speaker 7: law is my husband there. They're all from Dublin, like
Speaker 7: immigrated to Canada from Dublin, and so they're very like
Speaker 7: you know, Roman Catholic, Irish. And when we got married,
Speaker 7: they they would pay for our wedding if we got
Speaker 7: married in the Catholic church, and I was like, sure,
Speaker 7: why not? And I was so much more intense than
Speaker 7: I expected, Like we had to go and meet with
Speaker 7: the priest father Tobin, and I had to sign a
Speaker 7: contract promising that we would raise our children Catholic.
Speaker 9: And I'm just like, okay, that's kind of weird. Contract.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they sent us to like an away weekend retreat
Speaker 7: to where we had to stay in like what was
Speaker 7: like a monastery kind of thing, in these like weird
Speaker 7: little rooms that like a monk or something would stay in.
Speaker 7: And we did go through all this like training and
Speaker 7: all this stuff, and I'm thinking, my god, I don't
Speaker 7: think a wedding is worth all of this. But they
Speaker 7: ended up paying for the whole wedding and everything was fine.
Speaker 7: And my children aren't Catholics, so I'm so sorry, Father Tobin, but.
Speaker 9: The contract.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, I've had I've had a lot of
Speaker 7: experience in the Catholic church in my adult life.
Speaker 9: That's interesting.
Speaker 8: I didn't even know that they went through all of that,
Speaker 8: which you know it actually it is kind of interesting.
Speaker 8: I guess if like that room you were speaking of,
Speaker 8: like what was that all about? You had to just
Speaker 8: spend a lot of time just you and your husband.
Speaker 7: They were so it was like a big church, but
Speaker 7: it had like like a cloistered off area where like
Speaker 7: the priests would sleep. So they're very tiny, like prison
Speaker 7: cell sized rooms, and all that's in it is the
Speaker 7: smallest bed you've ever seen in a little kneeling bench
Speaker 7: with like a cross, and of course they separate the
Speaker 7: men and the women. I was like, I hated that.
Speaker 7: I hated being in that place at night, so I
Speaker 7: would like sneak off into my husband's room stay in
Speaker 7: there with him, and oh my goodness. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 7: And then they would that's interesting, Yeah, you would have to.
Speaker 7: I mean, they would do like prayer, and then they
Speaker 7: had these really old people come in and talk to
Speaker 7: us about contraception, like the Catholic contraception, which is wow, weird.
Speaker 7: But but the thing is is that it.
Speaker 6: Was isn't it abstinence?
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 7: I forget the name the method, but it's literally like
Speaker 7: counting the cycles and then there's certain days and it's
Speaker 7: a whole like religious contraceptive system that doesn't work, that
Speaker 7: doesn't work at all. I mean, but I mean it
Speaker 7: was interesting to me because I like knowing, I like
Speaker 7: understanding the religion that's dominating our world. And you know,
Speaker 7: I've always been fascinated with Christianity, and I think that's
Speaker 7: why my page is so popular, because I think I
Speaker 7: get a lot of deconstructing Christians coming to me because
Speaker 7: I have read the Bible numerous times, I studied it
Speaker 7: in college. I'm very well versed on you know that
Speaker 7: and multiple religions and so.
Speaker 6: Which is SOMETHINGI book was good, right.
Speaker 5: Which is something that I found very interesting because and
Speaker 5: you've made mentioned of it here a couple times recently,
Speaker 5: is that there's these x witches that are converting to
Speaker 5: Christianity and you can almost see the writing on the
Speaker 5: wall as it's happening that they're going to come back
Speaker 5: and you know, shit all all over witchcraft and magic
Speaker 5: and say that it's all satan filled.
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 5: You weren't really a real witch then, because that's not
Speaker 5: what it is exactly.
Speaker 7: And I've never yet to see an ex witch who
Speaker 7: wasn't practicing appropriated practices and religions. I have not seen one.
Speaker 7: And I search, I have an alt account. I search
Speaker 7: and search and search. I can't find anything or anybody
Speaker 7: that wasn't doing reiki or you know, burning white sage
Speaker 7: or all the things that aren't part of our culture
Speaker 7: that they take. And then they're like, oh, I, I you know,
Speaker 7: I don't understand it didn't work for me. Well, they're
Speaker 7: not your ancestors or spirits are talking to so of
Speaker 7: course you're not hearing them, you know, right, And then
Speaker 7: they leave they go to God, and God doesn't want
Speaker 7: to hit them either.
Speaker 5: So so you mentioned that you do traditional witchcraft, though
Speaker 5: what like you know, we're we've been kind of diving
Speaker 5: into chaos magic and practical magic. What's the difference between
Speaker 5: that and traditional magic.
Speaker 7: Well, so traditional magic, I mean it's today it's a
Speaker 7: reconstructionist movement, right, It's it's kind of the post Wicca
Speaker 7: era because many of us traditional which has came from
Speaker 7: the Wicka path and we didn't like that path. It
Speaker 7: wasn't working for us. So we're trying to get back
Speaker 7: to our roots. And it's very land based and ancestral
Speaker 7: based and you know, choosing one path or lineage or
Speaker 7: ancestor to connect with, learning the mythologies, learning the languages.
Speaker 7: So it's it's it's very rooted in where you come
Speaker 7: from and who you are. And when I say land based,
Speaker 7: like I'm not I saw I saw someone says he's uh,
Speaker 7: he's outsidey, not outdoorsy, right, Like you go on a
Speaker 7: walk like in the park, but you don't want to
Speaker 7: go on a hike in the forest. I'm outside I
Speaker 7: don't like you know, they're collecting herbs all the time
Speaker 7: and stuff, but it's still you know, connecting with the land.
Speaker 5: So okay, you know what we we actually recently had
Speaker 5: on this.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: He was a black magician. His name's h. E. A.
Speaker 6: Kuetting And watched that one stud of a guy. I
Speaker 6: love that.
Speaker 5: Guy, and and he's you know, I saw that he
Speaker 5: was into black magic and all this other stuff, but
Speaker 5: he was also into like Norse paganism. And I noticed
Speaker 5: that because he had like the mule neer hanging from
Speaker 5: his neck right and.
Speaker 6: Uh, and I was like, I was like, so you're
Speaker 6: into that too, you know.
Speaker 5: And and you know it almost seems a bit eclectic,
Speaker 5: and and what are your thoughts on eclecticism and just
Speaker 5: people that are kind of uh molding a bunch of
Speaker 5: different things together and making it their own.
Speaker 6: Are you for that or against that?
Speaker 7: I am for that. I think that I'm I'm really
Speaker 7: open to people doing what feels right for them. And
Speaker 7: you know, somebody like that, who's who's more into like
Speaker 7: the hermetic principles and the kind of the mentalism of
Speaker 7: the practice. And I also like that really fits that
Speaker 7: works well with Norse paganism. Nourse paganism is very like
Speaker 7: kind of male dominated. It just fits well, you know.
Speaker 7: But yeah, as long as people aren't taking from practices
Speaker 7: that are closed or from endangered you know, plants and
Speaker 7: and things like that. As long as you're not harming
Speaker 7: anybody or stepping on anybody. It is that's the beauty
Speaker 7: of witchcraft as an umbrella term, is that it's what
Speaker 7: you make it.
Speaker 6: Okay, so you're not you're not for the left hand path?
Speaker 7: Then, oh no, I am, yeah, no, I love Honestly,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm on both sides of the path. I I
Speaker 7: I'm not so much on the ceremonial ritualistic side of it.
Speaker 7: But the left hand path doesn't necessarily have to be
Speaker 7: that right if you're you know, working with certain spirits and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: And multiple of our guests are, you know, they include
Speaker 5: both of them. Some people say that there is no
Speaker 5: left hand or right hand path, there is no light
Speaker 5: in dark. It's all the same thing that you're pulling from. Anyway,
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7: I agree with that? Like I I think I actually
Speaker 7: wrote something today and I had spoken about it in
Speaker 7: a TikTok. I call it living in the gray. So
Speaker 7: there's no black, there's no white. We're living in the
Speaker 7: gray and the gray. You know, the Christians will tell
Speaker 7: you like, oh, we live in the light. Come to
Speaker 7: the light and you're dark. Well, guess what the light
Speaker 7: will blind you. Okay, the light will burn all the plants.
Speaker 7: If there was only the sun, the light casts the
Speaker 7: biggest shadow, right, And if you're telling us that we're
Speaker 7: the dark, you're viewing us that way. You are shadowing
Speaker 7: us that way. So everything has to have balance, right,
Speaker 7: if there's no balance, And I think that when we
Speaker 7: try to separate right hand and left hand, we're tipping
Speaker 7: the scales one way or the other. We're excluding people.
Speaker 7: We're saying, you know, this isn't Once we start developing
Speaker 7: a system of this is right, this is wrong, and
Speaker 7: you know, then we have a dogma and then we
Speaker 7: have then we're like, you know, we're Christians if we're
Speaker 7: to rigid rigid and I don't, no, I think that
Speaker 7: it's living in the gray. You have to to be
Speaker 7: a practitioner witchcraft. You have to be okay living in
Speaker 7: the gray. And that's being okay with knowing that your
Speaker 7: beliefs are yours alone and not everybody agrees with you.
Speaker 9: Right, That's that's perfect.
Speaker 8: That's something that we see a lot, you know, because
Speaker 8: we talk about these types of things, witchcraft and you
Speaker 8: name it, you know, anything a cold or strange, you know,
Speaker 8: we like to talk about and a lot of people
Speaker 8: would say like, oh, well, you know that's dark, that's
Speaker 8: you're playing with demons. You know, you're you're doing the
Speaker 8: work of the devil or you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 8: And it's just I don't know, I think it in
Speaker 8: their worldview and how they like to view the world. Okay,
Speaker 8: then you're right, you know, because that's your belief. But
Speaker 8: that doesn't mean it has to be my belief. And
Speaker 8: that's something I've really am coming to understand, you know,
Speaker 8: is that people are okay to have their own belief.
Speaker 8: But when you come at me and try to tell
Speaker 8: me that I'm wrong, it's like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I just I just don't get down with that.
Speaker 6: That's the wrong way.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I live in the southern US, so I'm just surrounded
Speaker 7: by evangelical Christians.
Speaker 9: I imagine you get a lot of criticism.
Speaker 7: Well okay, yeah, just recently, actually, one of the moms
Speaker 7: in the neighborhood told their kids that he can't hang
Speaker 7: out with my kid because we practice at She's been
Speaker 7: to my house. She's been in my house. You cannot
Speaker 7: walk through my house and not know something only a
Speaker 7: year later. It's a problem. But honestly, for the most part,
Speaker 7: majority of people are accepting of it. To be honest,
Speaker 7: and guess what. Guess who they call when they need
Speaker 7: something or when they want a tarot card red or
Speaker 7: you know something, Oh, do you know is spelled to
Speaker 7: do that? They'll call me for it, right I'm like, okay,
Speaker 7: like fine.
Speaker 9: That reminds me.
Speaker 8: Of optimistic banks. Some people think I'm crazy, others call
Speaker 8: me for advice.
Speaker 5: Exactly, dude. And it's perfect because even Pete just said,
Speaker 5: do no harm, take no shit right there, dude, right
Speaker 5: there in the middle. And it's always like one of
Speaker 5: my favorite quotes, just because I'm a wrestling dorc. But
Speaker 5: Vince McMahon always used to say, he would say, I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna sit around and act like I'm better than
Speaker 5: anybody else. But I'll be damned if somebody acts like
Speaker 5: they're better than me. I just love that white boy
Speaker 5: wizards that I'm surrounded by Mormons. I'd rather have witches. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's a lot less. I mean, I'm sure that there's
Speaker 5: still a little bit of dogma, which within the witchcraft
Speaker 5: you'll have people that are purely of the ancestral to
Speaker 5: where you know, if you don't have any blood lineage
Speaker 5: from this plot of land, then don't you dare do
Speaker 5: this kind of spell or this you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, yeah, that's fine if you want to
Speaker 5: believe that, but I don't know if that's right to
Speaker 5: just be pushing on everybody. Now you're more religious based, you.
Speaker 7: Know, yeah, it's not right to do that. And that's
Speaker 7: where like, if your practitioner coming into witchcraft, you have
Speaker 7: to know that you are going to come up against that.
Speaker 7: You know. If you are part of the Irish diaspora,
Speaker 7: the people in Ireland are spiky about it. They don't
Speaker 7: claim you, you know, and they say like, you haven't
Speaker 7: grown up here even lived here. You're not Irish. But
Speaker 7: the Irish Americans will say, yes, we are. You know,
Speaker 7: my grandmother was Irish. It's a sticky subject, but I
Speaker 7: think the balance is in like descendants accepting that they're
Speaker 7: the diaspora. You're not Irish, you're Irish, You're American, but
Speaker 7: you're Irish descended and you can draw roots from that still,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, hey, even the Jews aren't from Israel.
Speaker 5: You know, let's just get weird. But I just have
Speaker 5: to throw it out there. Sorry about that.
Speaker 7: Did you see my post the other day about how
Speaker 7: witchcraft the guy saying witchcraft isn't political? He was saying
Speaker 7: Witchcraft's not political, and I get so heated with that
Speaker 7: because I feel like it is, you know, it's very political.
Speaker 7: And he's like, you can't talk politics on my page,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, well, then you're just a deconstructing Christian
Speaker 7: who hasn't deconstructed yet, and that's.
Speaker 9: What he is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to say that to any spirituality is
Speaker 5: for or against politics. It's like these are two separate,
Speaker 5: separate dichotomies. It's not like I'm a witch now so
Speaker 5: that means I can't watch Fox News anymore.
Speaker 6: It's like, that's the sayings account.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the thing is that people just come
Speaker 5: up with their own damn rules. And here's the thing,
Speaker 5: They're only putting limitations on their own self at that point, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think there's a difference between rules and truths,
Speaker 7: in which because there are some truths that can't be denied,
Speaker 7: and they're they're very you know, uniform across practices. But
Speaker 7: as far as rules, we need to just cut it
Speaker 7: with the rules.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just an anarchy dude all day.
Speaker 9: So truth is what we're after, you know, that's the
Speaker 9: whole point of this whole thing.
Speaker 7: I actually it's when you you said you guys were
Speaker 7: conspiracy guys, and I had to grabbed my grandfather's Masonic
Speaker 7: Bible because I was like, oh, they'll probably like the
Speaker 7: Freemason's Bible. I use that in my practice sometimes. This
Speaker 7: is what got me blown up on TikTok this Bible
Speaker 7: I got hex has thrown at me, and oh my goodness,
Speaker 7: it became a whole big thing. And I'm all over
Speaker 7: conspiracy and scram not because I posted there, because people
Speaker 7: take my videos with this and I'm all over it.
Speaker 5: So so all right, what is the Is there any
Speaker 5: like major differences from the Masonic Bible compared to all
Speaker 5: the other Bibles?
Speaker 7: No, No, it's there's photos and then in the beginning
Speaker 7: there's the it talks about Freemasonry and the Bible, But
Speaker 7: other than that, it's the same. It's the same Bible.
Speaker 7: And I've I've read it online before to show people.
Speaker 7: People are always asking to buy it off me or
Speaker 7: give them a copy. But it's copywritten. The Bible is copywritten,
Speaker 7: the Word of God is copywritten. So I can't share it.
Speaker 8: That's crazy. That seems a little contradicting. I think, don't
Speaker 8: share the word, but also make sure to share the word.
Speaker 6: It's crazy. It's crazy. What is okay?
Speaker 5: And what gets taken off of TikTok and YouTube and
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 6: There was.
Speaker 5: Fuck it, I'll just say it. I it was like
Speaker 5: before this show was ever created. The Cult of Conspiracy
Speaker 5: is my first podcast that I ever did.
Speaker 6: I still do it. And we got kicked off of YouTube.
Speaker 5: We got like our final strike because we did a
Speaker 5: show on Hillary Clinton drinking adrenachrome and frazzle drip, wearing
Speaker 5: little kid's faces or whatever, right and just to get wild.
Speaker 5: And you know what, we ended up getting kicked off
Speaker 5: of YouTube because they said that we were bullying and
Speaker 5: I said bullying Hillary Clinton?
Speaker 6: Like who cares? It's a politician, Like there's a they're
Speaker 6: the bullies?
Speaker 9: Really?
Speaker 7: M yeah, I mean conspiracy theories are fun, you know,
Speaker 7: like they're they're fun to explore. We don't have to
Speaker 7: believe them all, sure, but they're fun to explore. And
Speaker 7: you know, your podcasts are different than the Discovery Channel
Speaker 7: or the History Channel and Ancient Aliens.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, you go.
Speaker 7: Into the strange and it's interesting there.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, just to have your mind splintered
Speaker 5: just by postulating the possibility that any of these things
Speaker 5: would be correct. I don't know, honestly, That's kind of
Speaker 5: what really got me super interested in the old and
Speaker 5: magic and witchcraft, because I was like, man, this world
Speaker 5: is just not what we think it is.
Speaker 6: Let me try and find out what it is.
Speaker 7: Then, you know, did you figure it out yet?
Speaker 6: We're a lot closer than we were two years ago,
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 9: Just a little bit.
Speaker 8: Nick, you had your hand raised, dude, do you have
Speaker 8: anything to add I was just gonna say, on the copywriting,
Speaker 8: the only way that they're allowed to do that is
Speaker 8: to change it, is ironically enough, Oh really you have
Speaker 8: to change it.
Speaker 9: And everyone's like, there's no changes ever, But like you
Speaker 9: can change it, right.
Speaker 7: That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 5: The White Boy Wizard said, I would love nothing more
Speaker 5: than anarchy. Been training to be a post apocalyptic warlord
Speaker 5: with a harem of batties.
Speaker 6: I love it. All lizards should be bullied.
Speaker 7: I agree.
Speaker 5: So and I don't want to turn this into a
Speaker 5: conspiracy episode because we we wanted to bring you on
Speaker 5: to talk about.
Speaker 6: Thet But for anybody that is just.
Speaker 5: Like getting star I don't I'm sure you get this
Speaker 5: question all the time, but like, what is a good
Speaker 5: starting point into you know, just I don't even want
Speaker 5: to say just witchcraft, but you know, spirituality, magic, witchcraft.
Speaker 5: You know what was kind of like your introduction was
Speaker 5: it like tarot cards?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was tarot cards, but the actual real introduction
Speaker 7: into witchcraft. I mean back in the nineties, again, we
Speaker 7: didn't have the Internet. We had some you know, you
Speaker 7: could go to the head shop where they would sell
Speaker 7: the bongs and find stuff there. Some of the weird
Speaker 7: new age spiritual bookstores would have things. And my first
Speaker 7: book book was the Raymond Bucklan's I think it's the
Speaker 7: Guide to Witchcraft's the Big Blue Book is what the
Speaker 7: witches call it. And that thing is wild, like there's
Speaker 7: like nude initiations and blood magic, and I mean I
Speaker 7: went in. I don't recommend starting that way, not that
Speaker 7: I was doing any at thirteen. I'm you know, but
Speaker 7: I would.
Speaker 9: Often was getting a little excited about that.
Speaker 7: I but it was it's not a good start, it's
Speaker 7: a little it's been much. But I think the best
Speaker 7: way people get really worried about making mistakes and doing
Speaker 7: things wrong. And if we're not doing things wrong, we're
Speaker 7: not learning anything. We wouldn't know all we know about
Speaker 7: witchcraft today if it hadn't been for was it Moses
Speaker 7: Margaret Murray the witch cult theory that was disproven? And
Speaker 7: then Gerald Gardner kind of there was some things that
Speaker 7: he brought forward that we don't believe in or do today.
Speaker 7: Without that, there's no conversation. So when you're beginning into witchcraft,
Speaker 7: I think the best thing you can do is read
Speaker 7: or listen to podcasts or you know, you have to
Speaker 7: get information somewhere. You can find a mentor that's a
Speaker 7: little difficult. You can look online like on TikTok, but
Speaker 7: don't believe everything you see. I'm a book girl, like
Speaker 7: I know you can talk for my channel like I'm
Speaker 7: a full on academic witch. Give me the books. But
Speaker 7: I know that not every is that way, and I
Speaker 7: try to be really mindful. You know, people that don't
Speaker 7: want to read books, So it's first. I would suggest
Speaker 7: finding what interests you, what country interests you, what ancestor
Speaker 7: interests you, What mythology interests you. Is it Greek mythology?
Speaker 7: Is it Roman? Is it Celtic? Find that first, and
Speaker 7: then read the mythologies. You don't have to believe those
Speaker 7: gods were real. The Bible is also just mythology, so
Speaker 7: you know, you don't have to believe that these gods
Speaker 7: were real. But learn about it, learn about where you
Speaker 7: come from, because mythology is the identity of a culture.
Speaker 7: It is the root and identity of a culture. So
Speaker 7: start there. You can start practicing magic. You know, you
Speaker 7: can start with like smaller, safer spells. Do not do
Speaker 7: love spells, be very careful with money spells. Maybe do
Speaker 7: a little invisibility spell or something less with less consequences.
Speaker 7: But see, yeah, I mean it's hard to tell people
Speaker 7: how to get on the path because I feel like
Speaker 7: so people come to witchcraft either because they choose it,
Speaker 7: they're cracked into it, or the you know, the path
Speaker 7: just opens for them. They have to stop lying to
Speaker 7: themselves and come honestly, and then they get here.
Speaker 5: You know, No, I agree and I feel like, you know,
Speaker 5: we kind of stumbled across it just because it was
Speaker 5: more of a fascination thing than anything else. It was
Speaker 5: just like you know, And the funny backstory about that
Speaker 5: is is that you know, whenever my mom and Shawn's
Speaker 5: mom were younger, they have this story about how they
Speaker 5: used to always like play on the Ouiji board. And
Speaker 5: then it's funny because like me and Sewn, you know,
Speaker 5: we grow up and this is what we do now,
Speaker 5: you know. So it's I don't know, and my mom
Speaker 5: was always like super interested in witchy stuff, and Halloween
Speaker 5: was always the biggest, you know, event of the year
Speaker 5: and just always going all out with it, and so
Speaker 5: I was kind of always drawn to it in a way.
Speaker 5: And then you know, learning about like magic being real
Speaker 5: and witchcraft actually being real, and you know what really
Speaker 5: pulled me. I don't want to stay away from it,
Speaker 5: but just kind of like the opposite side was I
Speaker 5: would think that like I would watch you know, stupid
Speaker 5: magic shows or movies trol Yeah and Harry Potter and
Speaker 5: stuff like that, and you're like, oh, that's that's how
Speaker 5: magic works, and you know, you would maybe you would
Speaker 5: think about trying to do something like that yourself. You
Speaker 5: go outside and grab a stick and use it as
Speaker 5: a wand and why isn't a lightning bolt coming out
Speaker 5: of it?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because the way that we understand it now,
Speaker 5: it's that you know, those things aren't necessarily going to
Speaker 5: happen visually, you know. And and I feel like a
Speaker 5: lot of people they need to see something in order
Speaker 5: to believe it. And maybe they don't have the patience,
Speaker 5: or the time or or anything like that. Maybe they
Speaker 5: they don't know that you have to be kind of
Speaker 5: like intuitive about it as well. And you know, practice
Speaker 5: meditation and stuff like that. Is that something that you
Speaker 5: do it often at all is meditate?
Speaker 7: No, I'm an adhd witch, so I do not meditate.
Speaker 7: I've tried, believe me, I'm not. I don't meditate. What
Speaker 7: I found is that I meditate when I am studying,
Speaker 7: and that is when I'm quiet and my mind is
Speaker 7: focused and things come to me, you know, when I'm
Speaker 7: reading or writing.
Speaker 9: And I mean, that's still meditation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Even if you're not closing your eyes and listening to
Speaker 8: something or you know, sittings crosscross apple sauce. You know
Speaker 8: that is still your meditation, And if you're ADHD, you're
Speaker 8: probably already tapped in any ways all the time, and
Speaker 8: so it's probably not even an issue for you. I
Speaker 8: feel like that's what Jonathan has. I feel like he's
Speaker 8: always kind of tapped into something. He's always got an idea,
Speaker 8: he's always something's always coming up, and it's.
Speaker 6: Like, dude, sometimes to my detriment, actually.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 7: The other day, did a curse because it's because I
Speaker 7: forget what I had done a video about in a person. Oh,
Speaker 7: it was talking about the spirit of plants, and she goes,
Speaker 7: your knowledge just blows my mind and I said, it's
Speaker 7: a curse, and she goes, what do you mean. I'm like,
Speaker 7: I can't stop learning. Yeah, I get a thought. I
Speaker 7: got to know the answer. And it's been that way
Speaker 7: since I was a kid, which is why I've studied
Speaker 7: the Bible so so much, because I was looking for answers, truth, anything,
Speaker 7: and all I found was lies in there. And it's
Speaker 7: a curse. But it's a blessing, but a curse. And honestly,
Speaker 7: the medication just helps me focus in on one thing
Speaker 7: instead of ten. So we're on the right track.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, what's funny is is that you know,
Speaker 5: you being you know, very well versed within the Bible
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. I've heard people say that you
Speaker 5: can almost use the Bible as a sort of grimoire
Speaker 5: and you can use angels from the Bible, demons from
Speaker 5: the Bible, certain spells even from the Bible.
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7: Absolutely so, the practices of vo do and who do
Speaker 7: and it's called pow wow. It's like an old Germanic
Speaker 7: folk magic and any Appalachian folk magic they all use
Speaker 7: the Bible creole. Yeah, they all use the psalms. The
Speaker 7: psalms are where the spells are, and you know, like
Speaker 7: certain folk magic spells would be like pray over the
Speaker 7: sick person with this, you know, lump of coal, say
Speaker 7: this prayer Lord's prayer three times, three times backwards and
Speaker 7: that's the spell. But ye know, the Bible is full
Speaker 7: of spells of them. And then you can call on
Speaker 7: the archangels. And I don't, I don't, I don't care.
Speaker 5: To do it, but you absolutely again interesting, and you
Speaker 5: know what's funny is is that you'll probably have somebody
Speaker 5: that is, you know, maybe using the Bible that is
Speaker 5: you know, who DOOO or voodoo or some other kind
Speaker 5: of sect of spirituality, and you know, you'll get people,
Speaker 5: you know, from Christianity that'll say, well, like, yo, if
Speaker 5: you're using psalms and the way that you're using it,
Speaker 5: then the power that you're drawing upon is the dark side.
Speaker 6: And I'm just like, you just can't win, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's like we had a guy on and very Christian
Speaker 5: guy into metaphysics, but still you know, very Christian centric,
Speaker 5: very nice guy. And I told him about this time
Speaker 5: that I tripped really hard on mushrooms and I'm not
Speaker 5: going to tell the whole story, but basically, I tripped
Speaker 5: really hard on mushrooms and I fucking heard the lohem
Speaker 5: like with the blaring horns and stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I never even heard of the lo heem up until
Speaker 5: this point. And I felt like I was just receiving
Speaker 5: downloads and I was asking questions and I was getting
Speaker 5: answers like immediately right, and it was like a literal hearing,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like it was very distinct.
Speaker 5: And I asked him what he thought about that, and
Speaker 5: he goes, well, you know, you're not a Christian, so
Speaker 5: it's probably demons, even when.
Speaker 6: It's the yellow heem. Yeah, Like, wow, that is just,
Speaker 6: of course unfortunate.
Speaker 7: You know. The first time I know exactly what you're
Speaker 7: talking about, the first time I heard a voice like
Speaker 7: that was actually the night before my mom passed away.
Speaker 7: My husband I were living in Mexico because he was
Speaker 7: working there, and the room was dark. I was just
Speaker 7: about to go to sleep, and I felt like a
Speaker 7: breath at my ear and the voice sounded like a
Speaker 7: little girl, and she said, you don't have a mom anymore,
Speaker 7: and it was sad like it wasn't in an evil way.
Speaker 7: It was just like I'm grieving with you kind of voice.
Speaker 7: And I get goosebumps every time I talk about it.
Speaker 7: But I shot up in the bed and I was like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, I'm telling my husband. Next morning, I'm
Speaker 7: calling like everybody I know couldn't get a hold of
Speaker 7: my mom. She ended up having a heart attack that day.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it was. It was so crazy because I'll
Speaker 7: never forget it, and I just know it was a
Speaker 7: messenger just warning me, you know that this is happening.
Speaker 5: Wow, I mean, do you where do you think that
Speaker 5: came from? Do you ever do you ever, like think
Speaker 5: about what that person's name was or anything like that.
Speaker 7: I think it was an angel. I think it was
Speaker 7: the type of or maybe a spirit guide or something.
Speaker 7: But I think that it came because being in Mexico
Speaker 7: was very difficult when that happened. That was maybe I
Speaker 7: could have become very unhinged if I hadn't had that warning,
Speaker 7: But when I got the call that afternoon, I just
Speaker 7: knew wow. So yeah, I kind of kept it together
Speaker 7: after that bell. It was the craziest thing, and it
Speaker 7: was outside in my head. It wasn't in my head either.
Speaker 6: Oh my god. You know that's crazy too, is that?
Speaker 5: You know, it's like, I don't know, maybe it's like
Speaker 5: a version of awareness or something like that. But even
Speaker 5: if you're not, you know, receiving some kind of channeled
Speaker 5: or downloaded message just in passing. You know, you go
Speaker 5: walk through Walmart, or you walk through CVS, or you're
Speaker 5: walking down the road or something like that. Maybe you're
Speaker 5: taking a walk in the forest with other people and
Speaker 5: you're only passing them for maybe about ten seconds right
Speaker 5: at most, and you just so happened to catch a
Speaker 5: poor of the sentence at that very moment. That is
Speaker 5: what trips me out every time. It's like anytime I'm
Speaker 5: like if i'm not you know, I don't have my
Speaker 5: my you know, if I'm not talking to one of
Speaker 5: my kids, or i don't have you know, my head
Speaker 5: in my phone looking for certain things or whatever, and
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of observing and listening and just going
Speaker 5: about my day. It'll just I'll hear it and I'm like,
Speaker 5: what a strange coincidence that was. But you know, we
Speaker 5: don't believe in coincidences over here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had a really just unbelievable experience exactly like that.
Speaker 8: We were I think we had an episode the night before.
Speaker 8: We were talking to a psychic and she was explaining
Speaker 8: that you know, how to get a hold of your guides,
Speaker 8: and you really just gotta, you know, put yourself out
Speaker 8: there and start asking questions and start trying to work
Speaker 8: with them in that way. And so I went ahead
Speaker 8: and tried that, and all of a sudden, there was
Speaker 8: like this flash of white light real quick. It was
Speaker 8: almost like a tiny explosion as soon as I asked
Speaker 8: about a certain thing, and I was just like wow,
Speaker 8: Like it was one of those moments where I felt
Speaker 8: like there was really something happening. There was definitely some
Speaker 8: type of connection to whatever whatever that is. Call it
Speaker 8: your higher self, call it your guides, call it. I
Speaker 8: don't really know, but I just knew that there was
Speaker 8: absolutely some truth to this, this whole magical place. And
Speaker 8: I was talking to Nick, and I called him the
Speaker 8: next day and I was talking to him about it,
Speaker 8: and we were talking about like as far as like
Speaker 8: walking around as if you're everything's normal still, even though
Speaker 8: you just had something that mystical happen, you know. And
Speaker 8: and then I was walking around at work and I
Speaker 8: was cleaning up outside at one point, and I was
Speaker 8: thinking to myself, like, what the fuck, what is this?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 8: And then this guy walked by, like some homeless dude,
Speaker 8: you know. I think he was a schizophrenic possibly, you know.
Speaker 8: And the only thing I heard him say was you
Speaker 8: know what this is? And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 8: just continuing continuing to blow my mind. Yeah, you know
Speaker 8: that kind of shit right there. I just can't explain it.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And the thing is that if you are a Christian,
Speaker 7: you would attribute that to either a demon or Jesus.
Speaker 7: So it could be either or depending on your mindset
Speaker 7: at the time. Outside of the House of Christianity. You
Speaker 7: see how big it really is and how powerful it
Speaker 7: really is. And then suddenly things start opening up to
Speaker 7: you and you're like, oh my goodness, you know, and
Speaker 7: I get a lot of new practitioners come to me
Speaker 7: talking about imposter syndrome and how they feel like silly
Speaker 7: trying to worship a different God or talk to a spirit.
Speaker 7: And that's the way you feel at first. You feel silly.
Speaker 7: It feels like you're playing pretend, you know, like you're
Speaker 7: trying to be in supernatural or charmed or whatever it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 7: keep doing it, because eventually it will click. And when
Speaker 7: it clicks, oh my gosh, it just everything becomes so
Speaker 7: much easier.
Speaker 6: No doubt. Nicholas, what are your thoughts there.
Speaker 10: I've been trying to figure out when and how I
Speaker 10: would be able to tell you all this story that
Speaker 10: just happened to me. It's like the crazy thing, chronicity thing.
Speaker 10: I was this weekend at this like Trader Day show
Speaker 10: with my mom and we were walking and my mom
Speaker 10: and my wife and we were walking through these like
Speaker 10: they just have boots and stuff everywhere, and there's this
Speaker 10: guy that walks by, and my mom pointed him out
Speaker 10: and it's this old, old dude dressed in all red,
Speaker 10: white beard, all red, with pulling a red wagon with
Speaker 10: candy canes and he looked like Santa Claus. And I'm like,
Speaker 10: this dude and he's just like so out of place.
Speaker 10: I was like, this is like a quest character of
Speaker 10: the you know, NPC or whatever, like like that guy
Speaker 10: is like a side quest character for sure. And I'm
Speaker 10: immediately thinking, I said, he's a side quest character. Reminds
Speaker 10: me of hippie Jimmy from Fucking Florida, which told me.
Speaker 10: And as I said that in my head I'm listening
Speaker 10: to a podcast with Aaron Abkei and he uses the example.
Speaker 10: I said, this guy's a side quest character, and then
Speaker 10: in my headphones I was listening, he says like cosmic
Speaker 10: Santa Claus, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 9: I literally out loud, was like what the fuck. My
Speaker 9: mom and my wife turned around and they're like what,
Speaker 9: And I'm like, holy shit, this is insane. What is
Speaker 9: this place?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I was like, what the hell.
Speaker 10: Normally it's like numbers, and you know, I get the
Speaker 10: craziest numbers, synchronousies and everything, but that one was just.
Speaker 9: Like holy shit, just to let you know, yeah, a
Speaker 9: little extra something. So this is still happening.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when happen, When those things happen, are you doing
Speaker 7: something like are you using that as like a guide
Speaker 7: or like a beacon to something? Because that's usually what
Speaker 7: those are.
Speaker 10: Oh, they happen so often for me, I expect them
Speaker 10: to happen all the time, and from what I have
Speaker 10: been told, at least from my guides anyway, that those
Speaker 10: are just confirmation of direction and h And at this
Speaker 10: point there, it's so much, so often it's become a
Speaker 10: game between us and like it's like what can they
Speaker 10: orchestrate that I will be the most shocked by?
Speaker 9: And I'm like, ah, are hilarious. They really did it
Speaker 9: to you on that one? You know that one was
Speaker 9: like I'm like okay, I literally was like bravo.
Speaker 6: I love that dude.
Speaker 5: So, speaking of guides and you know, maybe deities or gods,
Speaker 5: is there anybody that you like to work with specifically
Speaker 5: or do you work with a couple of them? I
Speaker 5: always see like a bunch of people talking about Hecate
Speaker 5: or the Morigan and you know characters like that.
Speaker 6: Do you have a you know, a specific flavor that
Speaker 6: you like more.
Speaker 7: Well, I do follow a very Celtic leaning path, a
Speaker 7: more Irish pantheon. But you know, in with the ancient Druids,
Speaker 7: for example, they wouldn't or even there's the cursed tablets,
Speaker 7: the ancient cursed tablets, you would find on them that
Speaker 7: people didn't necessarily curse or bless with one god. You
Speaker 7: would use the god for the purpose at the time.
Speaker 7: So I do venerate specific gods, but I'm not opposed
Speaker 7: to going outside of the pantheon if I need help
Speaker 7: from somebody. And I've told my followers, like, if you're
Speaker 7: going to do that, you have to leave. You have
Speaker 7: to leave an offering for these deities. You have to pay.
Speaker 7: You can't just go asking low ki for something and
Speaker 7: not pay anything in return.
Speaker 5: You know, interesting, can you can you get into offerings
Speaker 5: a little bit? You know, I know that certain deities
Speaker 5: and whatnot. They you know, some might like whiskey or
Speaker 5: or a cigar or something along those lines. Like how
Speaker 5: do you figure out like which they prefer as an offering?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean most of the time it's you can
Speaker 7: google and you can look up the mythology of a
Speaker 7: certain god, and you know what experts say even like
Speaker 7: you can go on j store and this, you can
Speaker 7: get a free account and go read academic journals and
Speaker 7: articles on the gods there. But they're there's always somebody
Speaker 7: to ask, especially our whole world is open to us now,
Speaker 7: you know, you can find an expert on any deity
Speaker 7: and ask them. But really money is good, wine, whiskey, bread, milk, jewelry, silver, gold,
Speaker 7: those you can almost never go wrong with any of those,
Speaker 7: you know, Like I did a working with a voodoo
Speaker 7: priestess one time. I was not doing the working, but
Speaker 7: I was participating or included in it. And at the
Speaker 7: end of the working, we had to pay the spirits
Speaker 7: like cash, and you know, it had to go on
Speaker 7: the altar and then it required like continuing devotion to
Speaker 7: these spirits for a certain amount of time. And I
Speaker 7: that was my first experience doing any type of voodoo ritual.
Speaker 7: It was incredibly powerful and insane. But but yeah, so
Speaker 7: they have to be paid or else they will take
Speaker 7: back what they give you.
Speaker 5: So as far as the offerings though, you know, and
Speaker 5: I guess in that kind of situation you would just
Speaker 5: leave it in a at the altar bowl or something
Speaker 5: like that. But if you're just doing it at home
Speaker 5: and somebody requires money. I mean, how long do you
Speaker 5: got to keep.
Speaker 6: It in the bowl?
Speaker 5: What if you need, you know, a gallon of milk
Speaker 5: or something like that, Like, are you going to get
Speaker 5: cursed if you decide to take it out or does
Speaker 5: that have to stay in there forever?
Speaker 6: How does that work?
Speaker 7: Well, if you make a contract when you do the working,
Speaker 7: like I'll you know, you say, I'll leave this on
Speaker 7: the altar for thirty days or six months or a
Speaker 7: year however long you need their help, then when you're
Speaker 7: taking it, you thank them and you ask for confirmation
Speaker 7: that it's okay to take it. You can do like
Speaker 7: tarror reading or pendulum or whatever works for you, and yeah,
Speaker 7: then you can take it. And if it's if it's
Speaker 7: a disposable item like a food item, you could dispose
Speaker 7: of it, but you cannot consume it if you have
Speaker 7: left it there. So if you have left money, if
Speaker 7: I've left money, I would donate it as opposed to
Speaker 7: going and spending it. Interesting, that's just the way I
Speaker 7: would handle it.
Speaker 9: So it's not going directly back to you. That makes sense.
Speaker 8: And when you and when you make an offering to
Speaker 8: said deity, or or you know a god do And
Speaker 8: when you're done, do you feel as though it's definitely
Speaker 8: going to work or is your sense of belief within that.
Speaker 9: Spell? Does that go up?
Speaker 8: Or do you feel any different as opposed to you
Speaker 8: just doing something specifically from yourself?
Speaker 7: If that makes sense, Well, I'm I always have faith
Speaker 7: that I've done this for thirty years. So I have
Speaker 7: a lot of faith, and I know you know what
Speaker 7: works and what doesn't for me. But part of the
Speaker 7: Witch's pyramid, the third law is to move in silence
Speaker 7: and not not speak about it anymore, not say anything
Speaker 7: about it. And I also don't think about it. So
Speaker 7: I do working. I let it go. And then I've
Speaker 7: developed the system of using keywords words for to let
Speaker 7: me know if something's working or not. So if you know,
Speaker 7: if I'm looking for something or something to be revealed,
Speaker 7: I'll say, you know, I'm implanting this keyword. What was
Speaker 7: the word? Everyone in my comments was talking shar truce.
Speaker 7: Everyone's obsessed with shartruce in my comments for some reason.
Speaker 7: The keyword shar truth. So you want a word that's
Speaker 7: known but not you don't hear every day, right like magenta? Okay,
Speaker 7: so you would implant that keyword in the spell and
Speaker 7: then just go about your life, and then you would
Speaker 7: know when you hear magenta or shar truce that your
Speaker 7: the gods are working, the spell is working, the spirits
Speaker 7: are working.
Speaker 9: I never heard of that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's worked for I had a friend wanted
Speaker 7: to do a love spell, and I said no, because
Speaker 7: I don't do that with people. But I said, let's
Speaker 7: do a keyword spell where you can find your person,
Speaker 7: because she was just going on all kinds of tender dates.
Speaker 7: And so we picked the word magenta and she did
Speaker 7: this ritual. We put the word in there, and then
Speaker 7: six months later, she's on a date with a guy
Speaker 7: asked her for nails were magenta, but they were like
Speaker 7: baby pink. They were not even close to magenta, likegenta
Speaker 7: right pink. And she called me. She's like, he said,
Speaker 7: Pageta and their baby pink. And like now two years
Speaker 7: later they're expecting a baby.
Speaker 9: So wow.
Speaker 7: You can use it as like a you know, a beacon,
Speaker 7: a clue.
Speaker 3: Oh my.
Speaker 9: Interesting.
Speaker 8: It's so funny because other magicians that we've had on,
Speaker 8: you know, they would say the same thing. As far
Speaker 8: as love spells are concerned, they're like, just don't do it.
Speaker 8: And it's like, it's interesting because you know some of
Speaker 8: these people have done like bangful magic and you know
Speaker 8: some of the some of the more darker quote unquote stuff,
Speaker 8: and yet the love spell is like, whoa, don't even
Speaker 8: try it. It's that's too dangerous, you know.
Speaker 5: Is that just because that's like, you know, interfering with
Speaker 5: someone's free will.
Speaker 6: When is the reason behind that?
Speaker 7: No, I'm all for interfering with people. No, it's because, gosh,
Speaker 7: we are all when it comes to love, we are
Speaker 7: all blinded and we you know, you could have somebody
Speaker 7: come to you and ask you to spell. They can
Speaker 7: give you their side of it, but you don't know
Speaker 7: what's true or not. Maybe that person they're trying to
Speaker 7: get back is violent, maybe they've It can just rot now,
Speaker 7: it can get messy, it can rot. And in order
Speaker 7: for a love spell to work, there has to be real,
Speaker 7: a real foundation of love there in the first place.
Speaker 7: So like the the percentage of that being real is
Speaker 7: very low, you know. And then you can't do it
Speaker 7: for yourself because again, you're you're always blinded in your
Speaker 7: own situations, especially in matters of the heart. Facts you know,
Speaker 7: like we lost we did lose a sister on which
Speaker 7: talk recently to domestic violence. And it started the conversation
Speaker 7: because people said, you know, like I warned her or
Speaker 7: she knew. She did know, you know, like she knew
Speaker 7: and it ended badly and it's very sad and love
Speaker 7: magic is just not good.
Speaker 6: So she she did love magic to get in that situation.
Speaker 7: No, she didn't do love magic, but she knew that
Speaker 7: it wasn't healthy, but was blinded by it. You know,
Speaker 7: her her daughter was there as well. Uh, survived, She
Speaker 7: saved her daughter. Yeah, so it was a bad situation,
Speaker 7: but her daughter's alive. And people today say, oh, well,
Speaker 7: her magic didn't work because he's you know, she still died.
Speaker 7: But her magic absolutely worked because her daughter's alive.
Speaker 6: And she oh that's the important part, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, but as far as that's we're blinded by love. No, no,
Speaker 7: witch is not blinded by love.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, And yeah, the heart fools you like crazy.
Speaker 5: Pete said, I felt silly when I first put up
Speaker 5: my altar for my aunt's ester's gods and personal alter.
Speaker 6: I did shrooms.
Speaker 5: This Sunday was candle gazing, and I could feel and
Speaker 5: see myself surrounded by my spirit team.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I love amazing.
Speaker 9: I can't imagine actually we're doing that the next time.
Speaker 5: Shit, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I'm actually I'm going to be
Speaker 5: moving out to Arizona.
Speaker 6: That's where Sean lives.
Speaker 5: I currently live in Texas, but I'm going to be
Speaker 5: moving out to Arizona for a short period and we're
Speaker 5: definitely going to be doing some spells.
Speaker 6: Dude, I mean just giving.
Speaker 8: I mean it's already a mystical type of experience, just
Speaker 8: just regular staring into the candle. The light of the candle,
Speaker 8: and that already is is just awesome. You feel like
Speaker 8: you're I don't know, it's just a whole feeling that
Speaker 8: you get and I can only imagine what that looks
Speaker 8: like and what that feels like.
Speaker 5: Is there any kind of a candle magic or scrying
Speaker 5: or anything that you use in your practice?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I am so. I on my altar and now
Speaker 7: I know a lot of witches feel a certain type
Speaker 7: of about this, but I am Okay. I have a
Speaker 7: silver back mirror that I use and it is across
Speaker 7: from my altar. Now, people are very afraid of silver
Speaker 7: back mirrors, but I know what I'm doing with it.
Speaker 7: So it's I use that along with candle magic, and
Speaker 7: I'm telling you that silver back mirror don't do it though,
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what happened. But when when I have
Speaker 7: that connection, it's literally like a portal in a doorway.
Speaker 7: So you can set up your candles and focus on
Speaker 7: the candle and the mirror and it your spirits come
Speaker 7: through with it. Now, there was one time I made
Speaker 7: a huge mistake with silver back mirror and I took
Speaker 7: another mirror. I don't know what was going through my head,
Speaker 7: but I had a hand silver mirror and I turned
Speaker 7: it towards the silver back mirror.
Speaker 9: Oh my god.
Speaker 7: So it was two mirrors facing each other. And first
Speaker 7: of all, if you look at that image, it's you
Speaker 7: a thousand times very unsettling. Then shortly after that, apparently
Speaker 7: I had filmed a TikTok. Looked on my camera and
Speaker 7: there was a TikTok that I had filmed in my drafts,
Speaker 7: and I didn't remember doing it, Like, I didn't remember
Speaker 7: saying anything in it or anything. And I was like
Speaker 7: that it was like a weird time line shift or something. Yeah,
Speaker 7: So I've never done or made that mistake ever ever
Speaker 7: again no more unknown TikTok's happening that it was. It
Speaker 7: was scary. I had to do like some little protections,
Speaker 7: you know, set up my little servitors across the mirror,
Speaker 7: like protected, don't want anything through.
Speaker 6: So what's the deal with the silver back mirror?
Speaker 7: Well, they say, well, first of all, silver back mirrors
Speaker 7: are like older, like early twentieth century you know, in
Speaker 7: nineteenth century mirrors, and they've got their back by silver,
Speaker 7: whereas today they're backed by aluminum. But silver to a
Speaker 7: witch is an incredible conduit of power because silver is
Speaker 7: connected to the moon, so that is lunar power in
Speaker 7: physical form. And with a silver back mirror, especially the
Speaker 7: one I have, is huge. It's a huge vanity old
Speaker 7: vanity mirror. That's a lot of power in that mirror.
Speaker 7: So they can be used as portals if they're not
Speaker 7: locked properly or or you know covered. So they're just
Speaker 7: normal mirrors are fine. Everybody's findent normal mirrors. Nobody freak out.
Speaker 5: But normal mirrors interesting. What are your thoughts there, Nicholas.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I actually had an experience with mirrors one time
Speaker 10: that I'm curious on some input on. I was doing psychedelics,
Speaker 10: so there's that caveat, but I would like to consider
Speaker 10: myself a fairly experienced psychonaut. So as far as like
Speaker 10: what I was seeing in the vision spectrum, I guess
Speaker 10: it wasn't like crazy visuals just.
Speaker 9: From my normal vision.
Speaker 10: But whenever I was looking, I had my computer open
Speaker 10: the camera on the computer, which essentially functions like a mirror, right,
Speaker 10: and then an actual mirror. So the the camera on
Speaker 10: the computer was pointing at a mirror, and then I
Speaker 10: was looking at a third reflection. So it was like
Speaker 10: three three mirrors. And on the third one, which would
Speaker 10: normally be like a perfect, you know, a mirrored image still,
Speaker 10: but the third one, it was like you could see
Speaker 10: through the veil on the third mirror. Does that make sense?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 10: I don't know if that's something that exists or whatever,
Speaker 10: but it was like that after after two with that,
Speaker 10: with that vision, it was like it should have been still,
Speaker 10: but it like was like a whole other dimension through
Speaker 10: the third mirror.
Speaker 9: Maje tends to break down after the second mirror. That's
Speaker 9: the AI.
Speaker 10: It was just like it's like we can't, we don't
Speaker 10: have enough frame rates for this with you being able
Speaker 10: to perceive it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that happened when I did the mirror on the mirror,
Speaker 7: it was it was an infinite weird and then it
Speaker 7: becomes a black like hole and you just can't see
Speaker 7: beyond it, and it's just it's like the Gateway tapes.
Speaker 7: I don't recommend doing that too late.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've all pretty good experiences from the Gateway tapes though, really, yeah.
Speaker 8: What are your experiences with it? Where are you? Where
Speaker 8: are you against it?
Speaker 7: I have, I've listened to a little bit of them.
Speaker 7: I don't recommend them for people because I mean, I'm
Speaker 7: sure you must have seen on TikTok so many people
Speaker 7: who become completely unhinged by it do that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: there's one girl. I ended up stitching her because she
Speaker 7: was just absolutely shaken and demons and hearing voices and
Speaker 7: all that. And you know, the Gateway tapes work if
Speaker 7: you're already rooted and grounded, right, you guys weren't raised
Speaker 7: in Christianity like this other person was. So when she
Speaker 7: starts having that connection with spirit and hearing voices and
Speaker 7: the thinning of the veil, it's all demonic to her.
Speaker 7: And you know, she was doing the Gateway tapes because
Speaker 7: she wanted money, and when you go into magic with greed,
Speaker 7: it just doesn't reward you the way you want.
Speaker 5: Like it's all fun and games. When it's fun and games, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I see, yeah, And that's man, what a hurdle to
Speaker 5: get through, you know, to get over that thing. And
Speaker 5: and that's why we've you know, we've done episodes almost deconstructing,
Speaker 5: deconstructing the etymology of certain words like the gin and
Speaker 5: the demon, and like the etymological roots have nothing to
Speaker 5: do with the word demon. It has no association with
Speaker 5: any kind of evil men at all. Yeah, which is
Speaker 5: you know, it makes sense though. I mean if the
Speaker 5: Christian Church was trying to say that everybody else was demons.
Speaker 6: And all your gods are demons and all this.
Speaker 5: Stuff, it's like, what the It's a brilliant scam, is
Speaker 5: really what it is?
Speaker 7: Yes, Yeah, Like the original word that they call sorcerer
Speaker 7: witchcraft in the Bible, now it was pharmakia, which is
Speaker 7: the word we use for pharmacists. Now, Like you know,
Speaker 7: don't tell me you're not going from church on Sunday
Speaker 7: over to Walgreens pick up your prescription, because that's who
Speaker 7: you're going to see that it was your Farmakia. You know,
Speaker 7: it's a person who mixes potions.
Speaker 9: Which that's interesting. I never heard that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense, dude, White Boy Wizard said, I'm
Speaker 5: blaming y'all. If I get a new demon, well hopefully
Speaker 5: it's a good demon though.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no new demons, we promise lest you believe it. Actually,
Speaker 8: And that's what I think is so interesting about the
Speaker 8: power of belief is somebody that believes in demons are
Speaker 8: is the generally the person that experiences them. You know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. It's like, your your belief and your
Speaker 8: mind is so powerful. And I think we covered so
Speaker 8: much how just how powerful we are as humans that
Speaker 8: we are able to literally manifest anything we want. And
Speaker 8: so if somebody is really believing in demons and that
Speaker 8: they're possibly possessed, and then maybe they kind of are
Speaker 8: in that sense, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's I think it's more perception, right,
Speaker 7: because your perception shapes your reality. So, you know, the
Speaker 7: same voice that they hear that I would hear, I
Speaker 7: would relate to it differently. You know. I hear a
Speaker 7: voice and I'm like not right now, I'm busy. They
Speaker 7: hear a voice and they're like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 7: Satan sending his minions, you know, Like, it's it's just perception.
Speaker 7: The thing is, we all have the ability to practice
Speaker 7: magic and live a magical life. We all do, and
Speaker 7: whether Christians want to believe it or not, they are
Speaker 7: living it. The problem is they're under a veil and
Speaker 7: they're under perception that makes them afraid, and you cannot
Speaker 7: be afraid in witchcraft.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, whenever you know your your entire religion is
Speaker 5: based on fear, I'm sorry, that's I mean, across the
Speaker 5: board it is. You can see where the corruption lies,
Speaker 5: you know, because fear is a control tactic, and if
Speaker 5: you're taught to fear God, I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 5: you should be fearing God. I think that's the wrong
Speaker 5: word personally, And people will argue with me about that
Speaker 5: until they're blue in the face. It's a respectful kind
Speaker 5: of fear, like how you used to fear your dad,
Speaker 5: you know, whenever you're younger. I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 5: that that's necessarily correct, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah. My theory is that any God that demands absolute
Speaker 7: devotion is the least deserving of it.
Speaker 5: Agreed, Yes, electro Nick said what are your thoughts on
Speaker 5: ets some aliens.
Speaker 7: I do have thoughts on ets, but I'm still like, uh,
Speaker 7: not a fully formed thought. I kind of liked the
Speaker 7: idea when they were talking about them coming out of
Speaker 7: the ocean, only because that aligns very well with the
Speaker 7: Celtic spirituality, because they believe that the afterlife was beneath us,
Speaker 7: not above us. That's why in Ireland all the ferry
Speaker 7: mounds are in the ground. So I don't know aliens.
Speaker 7: I kind of feel like aliens coming from the ocean
Speaker 7: makes sense to me. I don't think there's any I
Speaker 7: don't know, maybe there's nothing above us. I'm skeptical sometimes.
Speaker 6: Oh no, that's perfectly that's perfectly logical.
Speaker 7: Because I wonder if what we're looking at is real
Speaker 7: or if it's something else, you know, and I'm not
Speaker 7: about to go up there to find out.
Speaker 5: So right right in this day and age, you don't
Speaker 5: know what's a hologram and what's not in that sense.
Speaker 5: But I tell you what, we've all had experiences with
Speaker 5: with like strange orbs in the sky, and they don't
Speaker 5: seem to match with you know, what a helicopter or
Speaker 5: an aeroplane or a drone or satellite or anything would do.
Speaker 6: And they seem to like that.
Speaker 5: Just very weird activity going on up there. And maybe
Speaker 5: they are spiritual in a sense, and we're just calling
Speaker 5: them aliens, you know, because the word.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I wonder, Like, what if the spirits
Speaker 7: and all of the gods and the deities and everything,
Speaker 7: what if those are the eties? And I think about
Speaker 7: that a lot. And then when they were talking about
Speaker 7: them coming out of the ocean, it just made a
Speaker 7: lot of sense to me for some reason. So I
Speaker 7: don't know, but that's another part of living in the
Speaker 7: gray that I was talking about. You have to be
Speaker 7: okay with not knowing that, you know, the Christians can't
Speaker 7: be okay with not knowing that they needed it's the nation,
Speaker 7: their book. I don't know. I'll figure it out when
Speaker 7: I get to the other side.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have any like more specific animosity towards
Speaker 5: you know, the Christianity or the the Abrahamic religions in general,
Speaker 5: strictly because of like the Book of Demonology that was
Speaker 5: written by King James and and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: And now witches were hung and you know, drowned and
Speaker 5: all the crazy barbaric techniques that they used to do,
Speaker 5: like you know, they would put a millstone or something
Speaker 5: like that on a witch's on a witch's leg and
Speaker 5: drowner and if she came up, then she was a witch.
Speaker 5: But hey, if she didn't come back, then I guess
Speaker 5: she wasn't a witch.
Speaker 6: But she's dead.
Speaker 8: You know, that's on me, you know, yeah.
Speaker 7: I'm actually I don't have any This is gonna sound crazy.
Speaker 7: I don't have any animosity towards Christianity or any religion.
Speaker 7: I have animosity. I'm trying to say this in Ah,
Speaker 7: so I get angry at men in history who have
Speaker 7: created these rules and chains to put people in And
Speaker 7: while we did have you know, men burned as witches,
Speaker 7: it was predominantly women. It was the path to witchcraft
Speaker 7: has been paved in women's blood. And that is just
Speaker 7: any any of the ancient Christian writers like you know,
Speaker 7: Thomas Aquinas and Tactics, they're all it's all men who
Speaker 7: want power. That's what makes me. It's it's not the religions.
Speaker 7: Christianity probably could be a good religion if used properly,
Speaker 7: and I know people who do use it properly for sure,
Speaker 7: you know, so I would say from the more academic
Speaker 7: which side of me, I get angry at the history
Speaker 7: and not so much the religion.
Speaker 6: That makes sense. Well, and you just mentioned it.
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you this, what are your thoughts
Speaker 5: on like is there is it is a Can a
Speaker 5: witch be a male also? Or should they be going
Speaker 5: by a different title or does it not matter? Does
Speaker 5: it not only mean woman or female?
Speaker 7: I think Okay, First of all, if you pay attention
Speaker 7: to my channel, you'll know that I do take a
Speaker 7: very feminist approach to things. However, I do believe men
Speaker 7: can be witches. It's a title that has been reclaimed.
Speaker 7: And you don't know which ever called themselves a witch.
Speaker 7: So and as far as I mean, even first century,
Speaker 7: you know, there's documentation of the Druids, and the Druids
Speaker 7: were predominantly male, and there's you know, one account of
Speaker 7: the Druids fighting off the Romans and running between them
Speaker 7: were the priestesses. So men have always been an incredibly
Speaker 7: integral part of our spirituality. And again it's the balance
Speaker 7: you need the male and the female. So if a
Speaker 7: practitioner is male, and if if I let them into
Speaker 7: my life in some way, and I feel like they
Speaker 7: have balance and reverence for female power, which has been
Speaker 7: so oppressed historically. You know, if that respect is there,
Speaker 7: then absolutely, you know, out of balance is the problem
Speaker 7: as long as we're balanced. But we have to have
Speaker 7: male and female and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I like it.
Speaker 9: I like it. You know.
Speaker 5: I always felt kind of weird saying that I was
Speaker 5: into witchcraft and stuff like that. I'm like, I mean
Speaker 5: and not like in a like gay or anything like that,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Just like, am I using
Speaker 5: the wrong title for this stuff?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I find that men who are uncomfortable with the
Speaker 7: word which call themselves occultists usually magicians, if they're you know,
Speaker 7: on the Norse path or yeah, or Druid, they'll they'll
Speaker 7: pick a male title which is kind of more associated
Speaker 7: with men, but which which is gender neutral.
Speaker 5: We did a show on Druid, on the Druids and
Speaker 5: just you know, uncovering what was left as far as
Speaker 5: the information about them and people that are that are
Speaker 5: kind of into like this neo Druidism, which I find
Speaker 5: very interesting, kind of getting back to the roots of
Speaker 5: you know, getting back with nature and working with the
Speaker 5: elementals and stuff like that. I just find it so fascinating,
Speaker 5: like and people that have a problem with neo anything,
Speaker 5: I'm like.
Speaker 6: Hey, look if if information is lost, I'm like, I
Speaker 6: don't know why you have.
Speaker 5: You're just connecting spiritually through a specific lens at that point.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when you when you were doing the show and
Speaker 7: the Druids, did you have a.
Speaker 6: Druid on No? No, that was just like our own research.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, because there's, uh, there's all this archaeological evidence
Speaker 7: of the Druids and some of the contemporary accounts, and
Speaker 7: they would say, you know, it take a druid twenty
Speaker 7: years to learn their craft. And I always remind that
Speaker 7: to which is when they want to be witches, and
Speaker 7: like you take would take a druid twenty years. But
Speaker 7: one of my most popular videos I did was about
Speaker 7: how the druids would whisper in their spells into their hands,
Speaker 7: and the right hand is for the kind of authority
Speaker 7: and the left hand is for the unseen right. So
Speaker 7: if it's with the right hand, left hand path kind
Speaker 7: of thing, but you know, you whisper into the hand
Speaker 7: three times and you would like run your hand over
Speaker 7: the thing that was missing where you last saw it.
Speaker 7: I did that at the end of the TikTok and
Speaker 7: it like blew up. I was like, everyone's going to
Speaker 7: see this TikTok and then I went like this, what crazy.
Speaker 7: That's just be careful with that power. Because one time
Speaker 7: there was a woman who always gets in front of
Speaker 7: me when I'm trying to get out of my neighborhood.
Speaker 7: And one day I was so mad at I was like,
Speaker 7: you will not get in my way again. And then
Speaker 7: I was like, after I thought about it, and I
Speaker 7: was like, Okay, should have been more specific about why
Speaker 7: she wouldn't be in my way again, because like, next thing,
Speaker 7: I know, she could break a leg or right, she's
Speaker 7: healthy still, so but she hasn't gotten in my way.
Speaker 9: She looks out her window just waiting for you to
Speaker 9: pull out time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've seen you talking about, Yeah, maybe the
Speaker 5: use of like specific herbs, and that's something that we've
Speaker 5: kind of glanced over a little bit in passing over
Speaker 5: the past couple of years. But what would you suggest,
Speaker 5: like maybe a starter that is, you know, trying to
Speaker 5: perform a rich or do a spell or something like that.
Speaker 6: What are like some starter herbs if you will.
Speaker 7: Well, I would always say like whatever's in your kitchen
Speaker 7: is enough to start with. You know, we have to
Speaker 7: think that what were our answer astors using that You
Speaker 7: definitely have cinnamon in your cupboard, You have salt, you
Speaker 7: have rosemary, thyme, basil, dill, like all these things are
Speaker 7: so powerful in them, you know, on their own. Coffee
Speaker 7: you can use to amplify a spell. Cloves, clothes are
Speaker 7: good for baneful magic or you know, benevolent magic, and
Speaker 7: so it's all there in your cupboard. Now. I just
Speaker 7: I edited a witchcraft book by Messi Magic called an
Speaker 7: A to Z Guide to Ingredients, and that is such
Speaker 7: a straightforward guide. A to Z Ingredients tells you the name,
Speaker 7: what it does, you know, and then in the back
Speaker 7: it explains uses and it's just so simple. It starts
Speaker 7: at home because you're not gonna have a nerd from
Speaker 7: Africa in Tennessee, you know. So you might want that
Speaker 7: for working, go go ahead and get it if you
Speaker 7: want to, But I'm telling you that the cupboard, the
Speaker 7: stuff in your cupboard is going to be just as
Speaker 7: good for now.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, because ultimately, I mean that was kind.
Speaker 8: Of the way of the eclectic, which you know, they
Speaker 8: just gather what's around them, and.
Speaker 9: So yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that almost makes me wonder.
Speaker 5: Like, I got some Tony Sassari's in the cupboard right now,
Speaker 5: what would that be good for.
Speaker 6: It's a little spicy, you know, Yeah, you could.
Speaker 7: You could use it to jinx or hext somebody if
Speaker 7: if somebody's upset you maybe, Oh.
Speaker 5: Watch out, don't be pissing me off, Sean, I'm about
Speaker 5: to find out.
Speaker 7: The thing is is that the theory of the plant
Speaker 7: tells you what to do with it, right, So if
Speaker 7: you've got something spicy, you can use that in a
Speaker 7: working with bite, you know. And that's why a clove,
Speaker 7: which is a dried flour, can be both baneful and
Speaker 7: benevolent because it is hot if you put them in
Speaker 7: your mouth, but they also numb you and heal your toothache.
Speaker 7: So like a sunflower is obviously not a baneful plant.
Speaker 7: But then you've got other things you can use, like
Speaker 7: stinging nettle if you're trying to make somebody uncomfortable, give
Speaker 7: them an illness, maybe some allergies.
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, you know what I'm every time. So, before
Speaker 5: I was a full time podcaster, I used to work
Speaker 5: for Uber Eats. I was like delivering food and whatnot right,
Speaker 5: And every time I walked up on somebody's house and
Speaker 5: I saw that they had like a rosemary bush or
Speaker 5: something like that, I would be like.
Speaker 6: Man, that smells so damn good.
Speaker 5: I want to plant some of that in front of
Speaker 5: my house because it kind of smells like weed, and
Speaker 5: that's one of my favorite smells. And so what would
Speaker 5: you use rosemary for?
Speaker 7: Okay, so there's a thing in the which community where
Speaker 7: they say you can use rosemary's as a replacement for everything.
Speaker 7: That is not true. It is not an ubiquitous like
Speaker 7: all around plant. But like rosemary, you can use for protection,
Speaker 7: but in a positive way, right, So it'll deflect bad energies,
Speaker 7: welcome in good energies. You can use it for luck,
Speaker 7: you can use it for love, like it's rosemary is.
Speaker 7: There's so much soul in rosemary, you know. And same
Speaker 7: thing with like basil, you would use basil, and like
Speaker 7: money workings and dil, you can use the money workings.
Speaker 7: Catnip would be great in money workings, especially when you're
Speaker 7: wanting high energy activities, you know, going into sales. So catnip.
Speaker 6: That sounds about right.
Speaker 5: I actually went to go write something down just so
Speaker 5: I wouldn't forget, and then it's sent and I'm like,
Speaker 5: all right, well, I guess I'll just bring it up now.
Speaker 5: The Do you have any favorite grimoires or anything that
Speaker 5: you like to dabble into with, you know, maybe more
Speaker 5: ancient stuff or any even of the newer style grimoars
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 7: Well, I read a lot, Like I have a library
Speaker 7: I have. I have to start keeping spreadsheets because I
Speaker 7: have over like two hundred and fifteen witchcraft and academic
Speaker 7: books on my shelves, and I always bring doubles. It's
Speaker 7: a lot, So I don't know. Okay, Honestly, the favorite
Speaker 7: one is crazy because it's Wika. But I love the
Speaker 7: Raymond Buckland's Big Blue Book because it was my first
Speaker 7: one I ever had, and it's got really good info
Speaker 7: in there. It's got bad info, lots of bad info,
Speaker 7: but really good info. It's got like the Witch's alphabet,
Speaker 7: and it talks about the importance of circles in witchcraft
Speaker 7: and all these like core foundational things that I feel
Speaker 7: like is missing a lot in the teachings. Now. The
Speaker 7: problem is you can't just hand that to a new
Speaker 7: practitioner because it's also very dog and heavy on the
Speaker 7: religious aspect of Wiccas. So if you can separate the two,
Speaker 7: it's a good book.
Speaker 8: So is that what you would say would be the
Speaker 8: thing that you would need to discern as far as
Speaker 8: because you said there was kind of bad information like
Speaker 8: something like us that's just like wanting to open it up,
Speaker 8: and like how do we know what the bad information is?
Speaker 7: So just you would know, you would know, you would know. Yeah,
Speaker 7: because it's again it's very you can fulfiel the religion
Speaker 7: and so okay, and the ceremonial religion. But like the
Speaker 7: book The Crooked Path is so good for new beginners
Speaker 7: because it's you know, it encompasses bringing in everybody and
Speaker 7: finding your own way. The American Folk Magic Book. I
Speaker 7: love that book, very very good book as well, especially
Speaker 7: because we're in America so we can start here, you know, okay,
Speaker 7: getting lost in Europe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm probably a little bit easier to read
Speaker 5: at that point. Yeah, speaking of dogmatic things, and we've
Speaker 5: had some people have their opinion on this, but I'm
Speaker 5: curious about what your opinion is.
Speaker 6: What what do you think.
Speaker 5: About the like the the rule of three, like whatever
Speaker 5: you do, it'll come back to you threefold.
Speaker 7: No, No, No, I don't believe in that at all. No,
Speaker 7: that's uh, that's you know that that goes with either
Speaker 7: the Wick and read or the Wick and principles or
Speaker 7: the law of karma, which again isn't which it's not
Speaker 7: European witchcraft. You know, karma is not ours to claim.
Speaker 7: I do believe that there can be consequences for an action,
Speaker 7: but no, I don't believe in the rule of three
Speaker 7: and things coming back. What I do believe, and what
Speaker 7: you know has been evidence in in archaeological finds, is
Speaker 7: that if the gods or your spirits believe that the
Speaker 7: working is unjustified, then there will be consequences from them.
Speaker 7: So if you know, in Irish witchcraft, if you do
Speaker 7: working on somebody that is not just then you end
Speaker 7: up with like three marks on your face, which indicates
Speaker 7: the ancestors are unhappy with you.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Well that that just dives right into the
Speaker 5: next one. So as far as all right, we've had
Speaker 5: multiple people on the show magicians mainly practicing the Left
Speaker 5: Hand Path and black magic and stuff like that, who
Speaker 5: you know are kind of big fans of sacrifice and
Speaker 5: you know, JS Garrett is one that he actually does
Speaker 5: it full time he sacrifices chickens to certain demons for anybody,
Speaker 5: you know, and usually it's for healing for the most part.
Speaker 5: But what are your thoughts on sacrifice? And it doesn't
Speaker 5: even necessarily need to be of an animal or anything
Speaker 5: like that, but just sacrifice in general.
Speaker 7: I think that if it's part of a practitioner's path,
Speaker 7: and I don't see anything wrong with it, because nine
Speaker 7: times out of ten it's it's happening in a more
Speaker 7: humane way than the way we get our meat at
Speaker 7: home exactly. You know, people have pet snakes that they
Speaker 7: feed mice to all the time. How is that different
Speaker 7: than a witch dropping a mouse into a jar of
Speaker 7: water to make war water?
Speaker 9: Oh wow?
Speaker 7: You know there's I don't personally do do any animal sacrifices,
Speaker 7: but I am not against people who do. And you know,
Speaker 7: there's so many living traditions today like the one you
Speaker 7: you know, the person you mentioned who does it, and
Speaker 7: a lot of African religions do it, Ifa Yoruba, Haitian, Voodoo,
Speaker 7: so Paulo Miambi. They all sacrifice things and there's it's
Speaker 7: it's about reciprocity, you know. Sometimes they sacrifice the thing
Speaker 7: and eat it after typically that's what happens. If not,
Speaker 7: then parts of the animal are used in some way.
Speaker 7: I don't know. We can't have a factory farming world
Speaker 7: and get real sticky about sacrificing an animal for spiritual purposes.
Speaker 6: I just I agree. Yeah, yeah, good, good thought there.
Speaker 9: I like that.
Speaker 5: So I got a couple more questions here. What are
Speaker 5: your thoughts on psychedelics. Have you ever used for any
Speaker 5: of your spells or rituals or just out of curiosity?
Speaker 5: Do you feel like it amplifies anything at all?
Speaker 7: Okay, so, m yes, yes it does. I believe it
Speaker 7: opens doorways.
Speaker 9: Yes, then I feel like we already kind of knew that,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: It's almost obvious when you stare up into the sky
Speaker 8: and it's just magic happening. It's rolling around. It's like, okay,
Speaker 8: something's going on. There's a little extra something.
Speaker 9: M hmm.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I do think that. I mean, priestesses and
Speaker 7: priests historically have always used substances to journey to the
Speaker 7: other side and you know, connect with the other side,
Speaker 7: and even without substances like fasting, for example, that also
Speaker 7: puts you in an altered more like lucid dreamy state.
Speaker 7: They would fast for three days and then try and connect.
Speaker 7: So it's it's just another tool that can be used
Speaker 7: by a practitioner. But yeah, I do.
Speaker 9: It's my favorite. It's my favorite one. Yeah, my favorite.
Speaker 7: Cool which on which one's your favorite?
Speaker 9: Mushrooms?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I haven't done that. I haven't done mushrooms
Speaker 7: since high school. Then we hit accidentally hit a porcupine,
Speaker 7: So that was the last time.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 9: I I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm not a I'm not a super huge fan of
Speaker 5: mushrooms at all anymore. They just last too damn long.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to be tripping for seven or eight hours.
Speaker 5: That's who has that kind of time.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 5: That's why we have a another psychedelic that we prefer.
Speaker 5: It's kind of it's called four Aco d MT. It
Speaker 5: only lasts like three hours or something like that, four something. Yeah,
Speaker 5: But whenever we do it, you know, we'll be tripping
Speaker 5: for a little bit and then we'll we'll double the
Speaker 5: dosage after a couple of hours.
Speaker 6: So that's why I arrist in the longer, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But yeah, no, I I do believe that it
Speaker 7: opens a doorway, but I think it's also such a
Speaker 7: touchy conversation right with you know, people and things that
Speaker 7: they misuse or perhaps don't source properly. So but I
Speaker 7: mean it's the ayahuasca market is booming obviously.
Speaker 5: So for sure, Well, I feel like we would be
Speaker 5: pretty remiss if we did not ask you for you know,
Speaker 5: maybe simple spells or rituals that are easy for a
Speaker 5: beginner of sorts.
Speaker 7: Okay, is there a certain outcome that you're interested in?
Speaker 5: Uh, what do you suggest? You had mentioned the invisibility one.
Speaker 7: I have a good one. I have a good one, okay.
Speaker 7: So this, yeah, this one's a good one. So it's simple, okay,
Speaker 7: And it was a mentory head when I was younger.
Speaker 7: He was from Trinidad. He practiced risha, and uh, he
Speaker 7: told me that spell. So when you're in the heat
Speaker 7: of a moment, in an argument or some type of
Speaker 7: awful thing is happening, stress, whatever, you go to the
Speaker 7: sink or anywhere, you get a cup of water, and
Speaker 7: then you take that cup of water and you go outside,
Speaker 7: give me day night whatever. You have to stand facing
Speaker 7: your home or the building, and you know you're back
Speaker 7: to the away, and you hold the cup of water
Speaker 7: in your hand and you whisper into the water what
Speaker 7: you want to happen, and then you fling it over
Speaker 7: your left shoulder and then you stamp your foot once
Speaker 7: and you say it's done, and then that argument will
Speaker 7: be over. The person will call you the thing stops
Speaker 7: it stops it. And I've done this so many times
Speaker 7: in my life, especially in like chaos moments. It's wild.
Speaker 7: You could be like, say, you're you're in a fight
Speaker 7: with your significant other and they've left the house and
Speaker 7: you just want them to come back. The phone will
Speaker 7: ring like within five minutes. It's an incredibly fast working spell.
Speaker 7: And it's in my on my TikTok page. I've got
Speaker 7: a playlist somewhere with the spells in there, and that
Speaker 7: one I've talked about.
Speaker 6: So wow, so simple too.
Speaker 7: No, Yeah, the simplest ones, honestly are the most effective
Speaker 7: and the most empowering ones are the ones that happen fast.
Speaker 7: You know, you can do money working, you can do
Speaker 7: something that's long term, that's very ritualistic. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 7: when you do something like a whisper spell and it happens,
Speaker 7: then that just reaffirms that you're on the right path
Speaker 7: and you believe it and that's it makes you stronger.
Speaker 9: Wow, oh that's so cool.
Speaker 5: Heightens that intuition and faith a little bit too, I
Speaker 5: would imagine. Yeah, yeah, just out of curiosity. And we've
Speaker 5: asked you know, other people you know that practice in
Speaker 5: the craft or the occult, just to see what you know,
Speaker 5: your feelings on it are. What are your thoughts on,
Speaker 5: like where are these spirits and guides and gods and
Speaker 5: all that that stuff. Where are they existing? Is it
Speaker 5: like in the in the ether? You know, like are
Speaker 5: they around here all wait, like all the time? Do
Speaker 5: you believe that they're up.
Speaker 6: In the sky or down below or what are your
Speaker 6: thoughts on all of that?
Speaker 7: I believe they are parallel with us. They are. It's
Speaker 7: it's a dual existence. And again, like I mentioned with
Speaker 7: the Celtic spirituality and and beliefs, they believe that the
Speaker 7: spirits live in the land. You don't go to heaven,
Speaker 7: you go to the underworld. And the underworld is awesome,
Speaker 7: you know, tiernanog is amazing and well, no, maybe there's
Speaker 7: a little bit. No, it's good. There's different versions of it,
Speaker 7: but but yeah, yeah, there's one. Just like I think
Speaker 7: I said something about Valhalla being good and someone said, no, no,
Speaker 7: it's just too much fighting. There there was a different
Speaker 7: place the Heathens go. I'm not super versed in Norse paganism,
Speaker 7: but but uh no, I feel like it's it's with us,
Speaker 7: it's level with us, you know, Like I can feel
Speaker 7: my spirit gits if my great grandmother she's here, she's
Speaker 7: not up. There's never been an up for me, and
Speaker 7: never felt that way. They're here.
Speaker 5: It seems like that, And especially more we dive into,
Speaker 5: you know, like quantum physics and understanding the light spectrum
Speaker 5: and what our capabilities are at seeing and feeling and
Speaker 5: all this stuff, we are so extremely limited on, you know,
Speaker 5: just the tools that we have to be able to
Speaker 5: pick up.
Speaker 6: What may be around us, you know.
Speaker 5: And and that's why I think that there are thousands
Speaker 5: and thousands of different religions and spiritualities because we're kind
Speaker 5: of all just I don't want to say guessing, that's
Speaker 5: not right, but a lot of it's kind of has
Speaker 5: to be taken on faith. And just like you even
Speaker 5: said earlier, it's almost like, you know, you feel silly
Speaker 5: at first because you don't see anything, and maybe you
Speaker 5: don't even feel anything at first, and so you kind
Speaker 5: of just have to take it on faith, and some
Speaker 5: people just have a hard time with that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, being true and being authentic with yourself is really difficult.
Speaker 7: But and it feels silly at first because you don't
Speaker 7: know what your own truth is half the time in
Speaker 7: the beginning. But like I tell new, which is you know,
Speaker 7: if if you want to be a Christian, then you
Speaker 7: have to be part of that flock. And we are
Speaker 7: not sheep. We are a forest. We are diverse, we
Speaker 7: are wild, we're you know, filled with all kinds of things.
Speaker 7: You can go be a sheep. It's really hard to
Speaker 7: be a forest, but it's so much more fun, you know,
Speaker 7: it's so much more fulfilling to be the forest.
Speaker 5: Oh and finding you're finding your own way is man,
Speaker 5: it's a it's a journey. It's no longer you being
Speaker 5: told what to do. But the but the fun part
Speaker 5: about that is is that well, and sometimes the scary
Speaker 5: part about it is is that the convenience of somebody
Speaker 5: telling you what is true and what.
Speaker 6: Isn't is gone.
Speaker 5: It's You're You're the illuminating source that has to shine
Speaker 5: the light on the path at that point. And to
Speaker 5: be honest, that's my favorite part, Like, I love just
Speaker 5: being able to feel around and find out what's real
Speaker 5: and what's not, you know, at le from my perspective.
Speaker 7: That's what Jesus did. And then he came and he
Speaker 7: told everybody about it, and they were like, yeah, cool,
Speaker 7: let's go do what Jesus is doing. And that's what
Speaker 7: Christianity came about. So we if we just all just
Speaker 7: try to be our own Jesus, you know, we don't
Speaker 7: have to have a flock, and then we're all good,
Speaker 7: you know, like he Jesus said, like I'm the light,
Speaker 7: I'm the way. Yeah, he's the light.
Speaker 9: You're the light too, right.
Speaker 7: It's a crazy concept.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't be saying that around the Christians though, you know,
Speaker 5: they get a little nancy.
Speaker 9: Oh I do know.
Speaker 7: That's probably why the kids aren't allowed to hang out
Speaker 7: with my kids.
Speaker 9: But whatever.
Speaker 5: Oh, I know this is something. I bring this up
Speaker 5: almost every time. Somebody's like, oh, God is all good
Speaker 5: and he's all light. And I'm like Isaiah chapter forty five,
Speaker 5: verse seven, I make peace and I create evil.
Speaker 6: He's all good, you know. I'm like, yeah, he says
Speaker 6: right there.
Speaker 9: Though.
Speaker 6: I just love it though, which.
Speaker 8: Is actually it's interesting you know if you think about
Speaker 8: it that way, because I think we are the same.
Speaker 9: We are.
Speaker 8: We are capable of being good, and we are also
Speaker 8: capable of causing destruction.
Speaker 9: And so if you ask me, you know, sure, you know.
Speaker 8: People have great success in asking for help from some
Speaker 8: higher source.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 8: But I'm gonna be honest, I don't even think we
Speaker 8: need to. I think that we are capable just by
Speaker 8: ourselves when it comes to that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody has the ability for good and bad. And
Speaker 7: so when people try to say, oh, the Satanists, well,
Speaker 7: I mean, if you understood the Satanists, you wouldn't be
Speaker 7: saying that. And honestly, the more devils are in your
Speaker 7: churches in pews.
Speaker 5: So big facts, you know, we actually have coming up
Speaker 5: and we're going to be doing a show on it
Speaker 5: because I just love looking at all the pagan stuff.
Speaker 5: To be honest with you, I think it's so much fun.
Speaker 5: But and you had talked about WICCA a little bit,
Speaker 5: but and I don't know how to say it even
Speaker 5: is it mabon or ma boon ma maybon? Okay, that's
Speaker 5: coming up? Which is I think it's like September twenty
Speaker 5: second this year or twenty third something like that.
Speaker 7: And whatever the equinox is, it shifts every year.
Speaker 6: Do you do anything special on those kind of holidays?
Speaker 7: Well, Maybon is a Welsh it's a Welsh uh holiday
Speaker 7: on the wheel of the year. I am kind of
Speaker 7: a lazy which sometimes I do not celebrate all of
Speaker 7: the festivals. My the main one that I really recognize
Speaker 7: and honor is Sowen, and that is a big deal
Speaker 7: for me. And then you know, that's that's pretty much
Speaker 7: that's my new year for me is Sowen, and I
Speaker 7: focus on that the rest. If I remember and I'm
Speaker 7: in a good place and my kids aren't being you know, jerks,
Speaker 7: and then I can focus. Yes, I would, you know,
Speaker 7: like whenever Bielt and it comes up, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 7: let's lights and candles, you know, let's do this, and
Speaker 7: but no, Maybon maybe on I don't typically. I mean,
Speaker 7: and it is an equinox, so it deserves a candle,
Speaker 7: but it's it's more on the wealth Welsh path.
Speaker 5: I like it all right, Yeah, I mean we're trying
Speaker 5: to learn all about that kind of stuff and get
Speaker 5: fully entrenched into all of it.
Speaker 6: I just and that's what we love about it.
Speaker 5: Like you know, we we looked and we did a
Speaker 5: show probably about a month ago on eclectic witchcraft, and
Speaker 5: that was just something that just highly resonated with us
Speaker 5: because you can kind of include whatever, really, I mean,
Speaker 5: and that's what's amazing about it is that you can
Speaker 5: take a little bit from the Druids and a little
Speaker 5: bit from you know, even the Christians or you know,
Speaker 5: witches or whatever, and it's just so cool to look.
Speaker 6: At it that way.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, we live in the day and
Speaker 5: age to where we have access to all of the
Speaker 5: information that's out there, so you may as well kind
Speaker 5: of use it to your advantage at that point, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And even when a witch says they're not eclectic,
Speaker 7: I mean we all are. We all are in some
Speaker 7: little itty bitty way, you know, whether it be you
Speaker 7: have Mala beds because you like the crystal, or you're
Speaker 7: using you know, the Nourse ruins for protection. You know,
Speaker 7: there's always there's always something we're boring from someone else.
Speaker 7: But that's the way humans have always been. So I see, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's about right.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, we're I think we're coming up on
Speaker 5: the end here now, and we do really appreciate you
Speaker 5: coming to hang out with us. It was really great
Speaker 5: getting to know you, and thank you so much for
Speaker 5: enlightening us, uh, you know on all the questions that
Speaker 5: we have.
Speaker 6: It was really nice talking with you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, having me.
Speaker 6: But before we let you go, we usually do.
Speaker 5: A Tarror reading towards the end of every show, and
Speaker 5: I feel like it would be an honor if you
Speaker 5: were to do the Taroor reading for us usually. I mean,
Speaker 5: it doesn't it doesn't have to be you know, any
Speaker 5: specific number. It could be one, two, three, cards, whatever
Speaker 5: you're feeling, but it would be awesome if you could
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 7: Okay, see here, let's do so. I've been teaching on
Speaker 7: my channel traditional card reading.
Speaker 6: Yeah, card tomancy, So let's do that. Let's do it.
Speaker 7: Do we want to ask a specific.
Speaker 6: Question, Sean?
Speaker 9: I mean, I say, we just do one just for us,
Speaker 9: just for the collective, you know what I mean, just
Speaker 9: kind of a general reading, if you will.
Speaker 7: Okay, you let me no one to stop shuffling all
Speaker 7: right now? Oh okay, Oh I hate no Sometimes when
Speaker 7: you're shuffling and I'm like this and they say, now,
Speaker 7: like I get like a pain in my chest. Finished,
Speaker 7: But okay, okay, we got six of Hearts, seven of Heart,
Speaker 7: six of Hearts, seven of Hearts, and Ace of Hearts.
Speaker 7: So that is just all that is good news. That
Speaker 7: is good energy. The Ace of Hearts. That is like,
Speaker 7: people are loving your show. You're having really good conversations.
Speaker 7: It's you know, seven's can bring news and you're giving
Speaker 7: good news. So the sixes are like the six of
Speaker 7: Hearts is like again a celebrate of love. So we
Speaker 7: got three hearts here and I shuffle these real good
Speaker 7: and I before so yeah, all the hearts. So that
Speaker 7: tells me that the group here in the community here
Speaker 7: is loving your show and you guys are doing amazing
Speaker 7: at it.
Speaker 9: So oh so awesome.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, that was that was great. Thank you
Speaker 6: for doing that.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: And we we did an episode on because I believe
Speaker 5: that's called Cardo.
Speaker 6: We did that. I was like last year or something like.
Speaker 5: That is a minute that was like one of our
Speaker 5: favorite shows that we did because we were like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, you can do it just with regular cards.
Speaker 9: The course you can.
Speaker 7: I always say if I ever not that I would,
Speaker 7: but if I ever end up in prison, I'm going
Speaker 7: to have so much ramen because I can read the
Speaker 7: plane card, you know, oh, I've got a job in there.
Speaker 7: I got a thing I can do to get you know,
Speaker 7: cause not that I ever would. It's never been in prison,
Speaker 7: so I don't think.
Speaker 8: I've had that same thought though too. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 8: I can do tattoos, it might be to do in prison.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't do any of that. I guess I'm just
Speaker 6: somebody's bitching there.
Speaker 9: Then yeah, you got to hold someone's bucket.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like old t bag and prison break. Well, look,
Speaker 5: it was, uh, it was great talking to you. We
Speaker 5: cannot hopefully you know you'd be interested in doing it again.
Speaker 5: We love this kind of conversation. But uh yeah, if
Speaker 5: you would, could you lead to all of the one
Speaker 5: that's what we call our listeners, the one. Could you
Speaker 5: let them know where they could find you?
Speaker 7: You find on TikTok, Well you can find me all
Speaker 7: across every social never more period aries, never more dot aries.
Speaker 7: That's where I am everywhere.
Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, well we'll have that down in
Speaker 5: the show notes below. And uh so yeah, typically what
Speaker 5: we like to do is we like to do a
Speaker 5: meditation afterward. You don't have to feel obligated to stick
Speaker 5: around for that, So I know, that you you know,
Speaker 5: you got that e ad h D brain anyway, So.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I got up for school in the morning.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well look, we really appreciate you hanging out
Speaker 5: with us tonight and definitely can't wait to do it again.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 9: Thank you so much.
Speaker 8: And I think this goes to show real quick you
Speaker 8: know the power of manifestation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: We've been talking about this kind of stuff, getting into
Speaker 8: the weird, the witchcraft and all of this, and focusing
Speaker 8: our time and attention on that, and here we go.
Speaker 8: We have never more talking to us a witch. You
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Like magic is real people.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, if you're interested in more witches, I
Speaker 7: have plenty of good names for you, all different kinds and.
Speaker 6: Send them all. But uh yeah, all right, Tammy was
Speaker 6: awesome hanging out with you. We'll definitely we'll see you
Speaker 6: next time.
Speaker 7: Bye. Thank you.
Speaker 6: She was great.
Speaker 9: Yeah, she was great.
Speaker 6: That was awesome. And then the card to Mancy right
Speaker 6: there at the end.
Speaker 8: Dude, I had a card pulled up to just in case,
Speaker 8: you know, but I'm glad you did that.
Speaker 9: That was cool.
Speaker 6: I mean, you want to pull that bad boy out too.
Speaker 6: Let's get double weird.
Speaker 9: Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. Man.
Speaker 8: We got the moon, which is get out of here
Speaker 8: suiting what of cloon. When she's talking about the whole
Speaker 8: Mirrord thing, she's like, don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 8: I was thinking, yeah, maybe not everybody should do it.
Speaker 8: That's a weird thing.
Speaker 6: That makes me want to do it even more.
Speaker 8: Now I kind of want to, you know, but I
Speaker 8: feel like it took me. It took me like two
Speaker 8: weeks to kind of get right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It'll mess with you a little bit bit.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 5: The Moon is the eighteenth card on the Fool's Journey.
Speaker 5: It says the moon illuminates what has been hidden, bringing
Speaker 5: it into light and asking you to listen to your
Speaker 5: intuitive messages. The moon card is an invitation to confront
Speaker 5: your shadow self, or the dark elements of your essential
Speaker 5: being that are often suppressed. Your shadow self is not
Speaker 5: to be feared, but rather embraced and integrated. Doing this
Speaker 5: allows you to heal what you deem unlovable or unacceptable
Speaker 5: in yourself. On this card, we see a coyote and
Speaker 5: a dog howling out a full moon, symbolizing our discomfort
Speaker 5: with duality in the unknown. The coyote is the wild self,
Speaker 5: while the dog represents our domesticated self. A crawfish in
Speaker 5: the river symbolizes the quest for the meaning of life
Speaker 5: looking deeper and feelings of dissatisfaction with living a surface existence.
Speaker 5: The moon is positioned between the two towers first shown
Speaker 5: on the death card, representing the conscious and the unconscious.
Speaker 5: Under the light of the moon, all is revealed. This
Speaker 5: includes the messages received in dreams and through intuition. What
Speaker 5: is revealed may show you where you have been deceived,
Speaker 5: most likely by your own perceptions. It is time to
Speaker 5: see the truth and situations clearly.
Speaker 9: So awesome, dude.
Speaker 8: We were just talking about this earlier today, Dude, like,
Speaker 8: how powerful that is, the subconscious that's constantly.
Speaker 9: Running, you know, and then it'll all of a.
Speaker 8: Sudden just kind of highlight something and you're like, oh,
Speaker 8: you know, right before recording two, I was listening to
Speaker 8: shadow Boxing by Optimistic Banks Clutch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that song.
Speaker 9: Great.
Speaker 5: He has a bunch of banger songs anybody, honestly, and
Speaker 5: this is not even just because we're trying to promote him.
Speaker 5: He legit has good music. Optimistic banks and so you
Speaker 5: can go on Spotify or whatever. I mean, it's free
Speaker 5: if you got Spotify to listen to. But dude, that
Speaker 5: three three three song gets me every time. Meditation, shadow boxing,
Speaker 5: like he has a lot. I'm like, how is this
Speaker 5: dude not super famous because his music is actually really
Speaker 5: fucking good.
Speaker 8: Dude, you know why, you know why? But let's not
Speaker 8: go there. So conspiratorial or nothing?
Speaker 6: Yeah? So, uh.
Speaker 5: The spiritual message behind the moon cart is now is
Speaker 5: your time to examine self deception, fear, and shame. By
Speaker 5: working with your shadow self, exploring psychic development and dream
Speaker 5: work can help you reconnect to aspects of your inner
Speaker 5: self that have been hidden. You're evolving and expanding your
Speaker 5: consciousness on your spiritual path.
Speaker 8: Dude, hidden but not like powerless, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Like it's hidden, but it's still dictating a little bit
Speaker 8: of you, whether you know it or not. You know,
Speaker 8: And so when you highlight that and you go, oh, okay,
Speaker 8: that's there, but it's not real, you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: Or it doesn't need to affect me anymore, and then
Speaker 8: just add that to your daily grind dude, and just
Speaker 8: I don't know, man, that that right there, I think
Speaker 8: is one of the most powerful things. And I'm really
Speaker 8: trying to get entrenched into that, you know what I mean, bro?
Speaker 6: All Right, So this is something.
Speaker 5: I'm happy you said that because it just reminded me
Speaker 5: of something just because we have, you know, sixty thousand
Speaker 5: thoughts in a day, and sometimes we you know, we
Speaker 5: can't control our thoughts, but we don't necessarily have to
Speaker 5: agree with them.
Speaker 6: And I feel like.
Speaker 5: Whenever we tend to agree with our thoughts in an
Speaker 5: emotional kind of way, that that only heightens the possibility
Speaker 5: of them happening, even the bad ones that you don't
Speaker 5: want to happen. Right, And this is something dude, Dude,
Speaker 5: I've done this for so long and I just like
Speaker 5: recently realized that I was, you know, consciously doing it.
Speaker 5: And so and this is dude, I'm laying the sauce
Speaker 5: out because I'm telling you, this shit works every single time,
Speaker 5: knock on wood, but every time.
Speaker 6: So if I have a thought that I.
Speaker 5: Don't want or I don't agree with, or something that
Speaker 5: I don't want to manifest in my life, and I
Speaker 5: feel like we all have them, right, not every one
Speaker 5: of the sixty thousand thoughts are gonna be awesome. But
Speaker 5: whenever I do, you know what I say, I think
Speaker 5: about that thought, I hold it in my mind and
Speaker 5: I just say out loud no, oh, and not like
Speaker 5: a not like a no, please don't happen, but a no,
Speaker 5: as if it is coming from.
Speaker 6: The mouth of God authority.
Speaker 5: Yes, in that sense, dude, I'm telling you, it works
Speaker 5: every time.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not to say that every single one
Speaker 5: of my thoughts is going to manifest into reality. So
Speaker 5: maybe none of them, or maybe some of them wouldn't
Speaker 5: have come, you know, manifested in my reality anyway. But
Speaker 5: I like to think that I'm I'm bettering the odds
Speaker 5: whenever I'm doing that, you.
Speaker 8: Know, oh, absolutely absolutely, And think about this. You know
Speaker 8: how many times have you I mean, I can't speak
Speaker 8: for you, but you know how many times have you
Speaker 8: had a negative thought, you know, and agreed with it
Speaker 8: even though you knew it was bullshit? You know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, Just like or whatever reason you're like, kind
Speaker 8: of you kind of feed into that for a little
Speaker 8: while and then it just kind of wrecks you for
Speaker 8: a little bit until you finally get your head out
Speaker 8: of your ass and you're like, Okay, that's not me.
Speaker 9: What was I thinking, dude?
Speaker 5: In the in the crazy part about that is it's
Speaker 5: it's almost like, you know, whenever we were younger and
Speaker 5: we would watch the Matrix after a while and you
Speaker 5: see Neo getting all the downloads and I know, kung
Speaker 5: fu right yeah, and uh, at the time, it seems
Speaker 5: silly because come on, that's not real, right, Like You're
Speaker 5: not just going to receive a download and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden become a kung fu master or something like that.
Speaker 5: But I'm starting to slowly think that we can almost
Speaker 5: tap into that just by it, dude, just by believing it.
Speaker 5: First of all, I think it is the most important thing.
Speaker 5: You have to believe that you can't because if this
Speaker 5: is a game, a matrix, something that isn't real in
Speaker 5: the sense of what we deem real, then man, I
Speaker 5: think that a lot of it just is almost embodying
Speaker 5: what you want to be and what you want to become,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Than yourself back, which is ultimately the ego or the
Speaker 8: shadow self kind of kind of trying to keep you,
Speaker 8: keep you where you are rather than expanding.
Speaker 5: And that's why that shadow work is so you know,
Speaker 5: integral like you should be implementing that every single day.
Speaker 5: And that's why meditation is so important, because you're going
Speaker 5: into the deep waters of your own recesses, of your
Speaker 5: own subconscious whenever you're meditating, right, and and it doesn't
Speaker 5: have to be.
Speaker 6: For an hour at a time.
Speaker 5: You can you know, like that last shoot, that last
Speaker 5: meditation we just did on four hundred and thirty two Herds,
Speaker 5: I could have stayed there for hours on.
Speaker 6: Some real shit.
Speaker 9: That was great.
Speaker 5: Oh, white boy Wizard, that's Optimistic Banks. We've had him
Speaker 5: on the show a couple of times.
Speaker 9: Dum dude, love that guy.
Speaker 5: It's opti and then mystic as in like a say chemistic, right,
Speaker 5: so good.
Speaker 6: Definitely go check it out. He's awesome. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think she was great, dude.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to do uh that show again with
Speaker 5: her because very insightful. And I just love bookworms like that,
Speaker 5: you know, like people who have just soaked it all
Speaker 5: up like a sponge. I just you know, and that's
Speaker 5: all we want to be in front of those kind
Speaker 5: of people and just be sponges.
Speaker 8: Ultimately, just trying to get the closest with that we
Speaker 8: can to the truth.
Speaker 9: Man. That's all. Man, that's it.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 5: So all right, well I think we're gonna wrap it
Speaker 5: upright there. We're gonna get over to the meditation. I
Speaker 5: don't know what kind of meditation we're doing yet, but
Speaker 5: it'll come to us.
Speaker 9: It'll be a surprise.
Speaker 6: It will be a surprise.
Speaker 5: But anyhow, yeah, look if oh, look, something else I
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, to that person, I do, that's okay,
Speaker 5: that's okay, a little baneful magic's coming your way, buddy.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, target practice, as Lord Byron likes to say,
Speaker 5: not in a literal sense, just in a magic sense.
Speaker 5: So anyhow, all right, are gonna bust up out of here?
Speaker 5: Go over to the meditation.
Speaker 6: But look, if never more aries came here and she
Speaker 6: taught you anything, it's that you don't know what you
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 9: I don't just get weird, stay weird.
Speaker 4: Side ordinary because color swell and stars line.
Speaker 3: In the mentum mystery is your fun.
Speaker 6: You just think, dude, that was that was really fun?
Speaker 8: Actually yeah, I think when when she was talking about
Speaker 8: like the offering and this and that, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: oh shit, I already don't have an offering, you know,
Speaker 8: And so I was like, well, I don't know. I
Speaker 8: don't know if that ruined it for me or not,
Speaker 8: you know, But to be honest, I don't know. I
Speaker 8: don't know how I feel about the whole offering thing.
Speaker 8: Oh you just got in your own way right there.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I felt I feel good, I feel relaxed.
Speaker 8: But I didn't go on the ride, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I mean, my offering was my curiosity. That's kind of
Speaker 5: how I looked at it. I was like, well, look,
Speaker 5: I don't want to give an offering. I don't even
Speaker 5: know you yet, so my curiosity or my energy or whatever,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm coming to spend a little bit of
Speaker 5: time with you, and if I.
Speaker 6: Decide that I like you, then maybe I'll work with you.
Speaker 5: Kind of right exactly, Yeah, that was really interesting though,
Speaker 5: especially dude, the mind is a wonderful place whenever you
Speaker 5: can have it guided to certain in a certain direction,
Speaker 5: you know, because dude, it was just like, so I
Speaker 5: was able to picture the cave and then the green
Speaker 5: grass and the you know, the fungus or whatever that's
Speaker 5: all over it and everything. It just seemed very irish almost,
Speaker 5: you know, and really good meditation even going in there.
Speaker 5: And she's like, well, yeah, you can see a light,
Speaker 5: and so you decided to go take a little peek,
Speaker 5: and then you see that it's a fire, and you
Speaker 5: see that it's actually a woman that's standing back there.
Speaker 6: With red hair.
Speaker 5: And I was like, I got a thing for redheads already,
Speaker 5: so I'm already liking where this is going. And and
Speaker 5: she was like, you know, and then it was just
Speaker 5: a conversation. Then you just follow her and you know,
Speaker 5: and to be able to see from that perspective as
Speaker 5: a crow flying, or as a wolf running through the woods,
Speaker 5: or as an eel that is like swimming through the ocean.
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, it feels so real when you're doing it, though,
Speaker 5: like if you allow yourself, dude, it is what a
Speaker 5: journey that.
Speaker 9: Is yeah, dude, And we talk about it all the time.
Speaker 8: Man, the mind being that that powerful, really creating that place,
Speaker 8: and you know, it feels like you're really there.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 8: But Nick, I'm interested to see what happened. Did you
Speaker 8: did you experience anything?
Speaker 6: Did you go?
Speaker 9: No? I did not, Nicholas, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 9: I did not fully do the whole thing. That was
Speaker 9: a fun one in the kitchen and handle some business.
Speaker 9: That's OK.
Speaker 8: Good, It's all good. I did want to ask you
Speaker 8: a question, Nick. You know, I've I've been seeing this
Speaker 8: uh this stuff about like a mother ship and all that.
Speaker 8: I'm sure you guys have heard of all all of
Speaker 8: this talk, you know about something coming towards earth, like
Speaker 8: what what? What do you know about that? I'm just
Speaker 8: glad that you're here because I wanted to ask you
Speaker 8: about that.
Speaker 10: Probably nothing, to be honest, not that I don't know
Speaker 10: anything about it. It's I don't think that there probably
Speaker 10: anything is anything like the mothership that they're talking about
Speaker 10: or will or could talk about on the news is
Speaker 10: not the one that is going to be anything that
Speaker 10: is probably legitimate, especially if there's any kind of threat, narrative,
Speaker 10: any kind of anything like that. The real truth is
Speaker 10: is they're already fucking here, dude, they've been here at all.
Speaker 9: I love it, I love it here.
Speaker 8: So that's interesting how they try to do that though,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. They try to say, oh, well,
Speaker 8: this scientist said that he thinks it's a mother ship
Speaker 8: because of this and that, and I'm like, why why
Speaker 8: did they even go that route if you know what
Speaker 8: I mean, if they know it's not so.
Speaker 10: I think Cab asked about that that thing that's coming
Speaker 10: right now, and apparently they said, it's just legit. It's
Speaker 10: a comment, like yeah, it's some kind of comment or whatever.
Speaker 10: But that last one, the muamua, the one that they found.
Speaker 9: A few years back in like over in Hawaii.
Speaker 10: According to the Pleadians, that one was actually uh a craft.
Speaker 10: And that's this is where like a lot of the
Speaker 10: confusion comes with, like the whole Lyrin thing. You know
Speaker 10: that their cat people and this and that, Well turns
Speaker 10: out Ama was from the Lyra area, but they're not
Speaker 10: cat people, right, so like it was their craft. They
Speaker 10: like apparently the way that they do it, they're a
Speaker 10: little more. They had like a big giant craft with
Speaker 10: like thousands of people on and that's the way they
Speaker 10: like to travel as a society.
Speaker 9: And it's just a big ass, long.
Speaker 10: Fucking school bust of a cruise ship basically, and that's
Speaker 10: and that's.
Speaker 9: How they do it.
Speaker 10: And and they're like, you know, kind of more primitive,
Speaker 10: I guess, in comparison to uh, a lot of the
Speaker 10: other races like Palladians and Arterians and stuff like, they're
Speaker 10: they're let there, the Lyrens, they're they're kind of like
Speaker 10: I think, I think they're kind of like gray type,
Speaker 10: you know, they're just kind of spindily small things. But
Speaker 10: they're they're like more primitive, less advanced, and more three
Speaker 10: D oriented, if that makes sense, which is why we
Speaker 10: can you know, they're sticking out like a sore thumb
Speaker 10: and they're we're seeing their ship with our ship shitty telescopes,
Speaker 10: right right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's interesting though, how it even came upon the folklore
Speaker 5: and the understanding that the Lyrens were cat people, because
Speaker 5: that's what I always thought for the longest time. And
Speaker 5: then you find out no, that like the cat people
Speaker 5: are something else, like something else.
Speaker 10: Entirely, and you know that so like that notion comes
Speaker 10: from and the other reason that I know that or
Speaker 10: even believe that.
Speaker 9: Is because of Cab and Judith and them.
Speaker 10: But like there's been so much stuff that they've been
Speaker 10: so right and that corroborates like or the rest of it.
Speaker 9: It's like, Okay, well that makes sense.
Speaker 10: But there is a huge amount of like ufology and
Speaker 10: UFO like lore and stuff that's that's kind of arisen
Speaker 10: over the past maybe twenty thirty years of people that
Speaker 10: have written certain books, and those kind of books gave
Speaker 10: a lot of framework to people in like the spiritual
Speaker 10: communities to like kind of like how you know, there's
Speaker 10: so much inky and little stuff that all kind of
Speaker 10: not that that any of all that stuff is wrong,
Speaker 10: but it's like everyone looks through the lens of like
Speaker 10: Zacharia Sitchen because he was the one to bring it
Speaker 10: into the into the zeitgeist, and it's like all awareness
Speaker 10: based off of that. Whenever they're there can be some
Speaker 10: truth to certain things, but like whoever kind of popularized
Speaker 10: it and what they kind of said about it true
Speaker 10: or not kind of you know, like makes people go
Speaker 10: with that thing, and you can kind of like how
Speaker 10: certain religions or whatever, you know, if you're you're Christian,
Speaker 10: and you're probably gonna see see Jesus in your dreams
Speaker 10: or or whatever because you're had that inclination and that
Speaker 10: that kind of thing I think has happened in certain
Speaker 10: regards when it comes to some of that information.
Speaker 5: Yeah checks out. Yeah, I mean Pete said, hell a
Speaker 5: nice meditation. The offering to me is more of a
Speaker 5: thank you for the good time. That's kind of what
Speaker 5: I It was somewhere along those lines. I was like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not trying to give an offering, not
Speaker 5: that I wouldn't, but I don't know who the Morgan is.
Speaker 6: I don't even know you know what.
Speaker 5: I would offer, although she suggested, you know what was
Speaker 5: it like milk or red wine? Yeah, and I was thinking, man,
Speaker 5: I had white meat earlier, I had some pulpe chops,
Speaker 5: so delicious. But yeah, that was that was really interesting
Speaker 5: and it almost it. It really makes me want to
Speaker 5: look into the Morgan even a little bit more. Might
Speaker 5: have to see if there's a book or something. I'm
Speaker 5: sure there has to be a book on the Morgan, right.
Speaker 9: No, yeah, sure, captain what is that Captain Morgan?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you would think that she would get down a
Speaker 5: little captain a little bit, you know, do the post
Speaker 5: all right, Well, yeah, I guess we'll wrap it up
Speaker 5: right there. That was a fun freaking episode. Tammy Ella
Speaker 5: was the ship. Can't wait to do it with her again.
Speaker 8: I love the whispering into the hand thing. That was
Speaker 8: really cool. Like you can get imagine, you can like
Speaker 8: imagine what you could do with.
Speaker 6: That, you know what I mean, dude?
Speaker 5: It makes sense because they say that, you know, you're
Speaker 5: like spirit literally translates to breath, I think, and and
Speaker 5: if it's just your breath and you're speaking it into
Speaker 5: existence within your words and you're just like, you know,
Speaker 5: going like that, I could see that working. And obviously
Speaker 5: I think that a lot of that is just really
Speaker 5: like do you believe it works? Because if you believe
Speaker 5: it works, then it probably is more.
Speaker 9: Likely to work, right exactly, yep, exactly.
Speaker 10: He does that whenever he like calls in those uh
Speaker 10: you know, those butterflies or the eagles. Maybe he's like
Speaker 10: whispering and then like he like he whispers to the
Speaker 10: butterfly in his hand, and then he sends it off
Speaker 10: and the eagles come and say him, who does that?
Speaker 9: Gandalf in the Hobbit, Oh, that. Oh that's right.
Speaker 5: You know, I still have not seen all of those
Speaker 5: Lord of the Rings movies. I seen the Hobbit, I
Speaker 5: saw the first Lord of the Rings. But that's it.
Speaker 10: If you're gonna do it, which you should just do start.
Speaker 10: You can do it chronologically, and it's awesome. If you
Speaker 10: just do all the Hobbit movies first and then and
Speaker 10: then extended cut back to back all three Lord of
Speaker 10: the Rings right after that, it's like eleven hours and
Speaker 10: it is a journey.
Speaker 6: Hey, eleven hours?
Speaker 9: That name bad? Ay none? So ay none?
Speaker 6: I mean, what is that on? Is that on HBO?
Speaker 7: Or what?
Speaker 9: I think they got that on HBO? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Sweet, HBO got fucking everything, dude.
Speaker 5: All right, well, yeah, I guess we'll bust up out
Speaker 5: of here and uh, let's see what's next. I do
Speaker 5: We have so much stuff lined up it's going to
Speaker 5: be awesome.
Speaker 9: Let me know, so I can try to play around
Speaker 9: sometimes to be missing.
Speaker 8: The Oh yeah, oh yeah, I think we got the
Speaker 8: one guy that does like the CE five stuff, right.
Speaker 9: Yes.
Speaker 5: The next Wonder Wednesday show is going to be with
Speaker 5: a gentleman that gets a group together and goes out
Speaker 5: in the desert and does the CE five and calls
Speaker 5: specifically on certain types of aliens. So they'll go out
Speaker 5: in the middle of the desert and they'll be like,
Speaker 5: all right, today we're calling on you know, the the
Speaker 5: Grays or today we're calling on whatever, right, and they
Speaker 5: all have like a specific intention and gets results every time.
Speaker 6: So if you want to go check.
Speaker 9: Out there you go, Nick, that's the one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a week from today, if you want to
Speaker 5: go check him out. He's on TikTok. His name is
Speaker 5: orb Trek. He's an Englishman.
Speaker 8: I think I imagine we would be doing something like that
Speaker 8: at some point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Just get I'm about to be out in the desert.
Speaker 9: Well now, oh yeah, yeah dude, I'm looking forward for that.
Speaker 7: Weird dude.
Speaker 6: But anyway, all right, yeah, we're for real. We're gonna
Speaker 6: wrap it up this time. So we love you the one.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for hanging out with y'all or
Speaker 6: with with us, and we'll see you all on the
Speaker 6: flip side.
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 1: Voices drift on winds, untamed words like spells that can't
Speaker 1: be named.
Speaker 2: Close your eyes and feel the sound journey where no
Speaker 2: bounds are found.
Speaker 4: Side leave the ordinary, Far behind.
Speaker 3: The colors, swirls and stars alive in the mental mysteries,
Speaker 3: you'll find m HM